Posted by: Seeking Truth | April 6, 2007

Church of God, World Mission Society

Today, I was approached by a Korean as I was coming back from work. For some reason, I decided to do his survey. I was a little surprised to see that it (apparently) was about Christianity, because it asked questions that at a shallow glance would seem to be used by Christians to initiate outreach. They were questions such as “Did you know that Jesus commanded us to celebrate the Passover in order to receive eternal life?” and “Do you know what 666 means?”. Then the questions got a little strange to me. Next up was “Do you know what Jesus’ name will be when He comes again?”, “Do you know that Jesus second coming will be from the east?” and “Have you ever heard of the Heavenly Mother?”. Red flags went off.

“Must be one of those…” I thought to myself. Never mind, polite as I was I decided to let the man have his say. I must really thank God that I was wearing shades. That way, the guy couldn’t see my expression fully.

This organisation seems to be the usual cult stuff. Among the notable core doctrines (and my comments) are:

1) Jesus has already come back (and now He’s dead again. Like, how many times does He have to die? lol)
2) Jesus came back in the east, which was South Korea (Why Korea and not Japan? Japan is farther east after all)
3) The bible has been changed/locked and only the returned Jesus can open it (so what’s different from what the Latter-Day Saints and Islam teaches?)
4) There is a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Seventh Day Adventists/LDS anyone?)
5) Earthly family is a shadow of the heavenly family. So the reason there are brothers and sisters in earth is because there’s a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother in heaven (so does that mean that brothers and sisters are supposed to get married to each other?)

After reading up on it a little on Wikipedia, I find that it’s just the same as most of the other cults. Nothing much new except different country and different new Jesus.

I really wanted to tell the man that he was believing in a load of crock, but I decided that I didn’t want to argue with him and hurt his feelings. Besides, I had just let him have 20 minutes of my time already.

What I would now like to comment on is the Heavenly Mother. I am not sure how much of the bible they say is locked up/corrupted (perhaps it’s like Islam where seemingly arbitrary bits and pieces of scripture retain their true meaning and only Islamic scholars can seperate the dross from the gold), but the CoG WMS believes that the “bride” referred to in Revelation 22:17 refers to the Heavenly Mother.

“The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come’! And let him who hears say, ‘Come!’ Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life”

Okay fair enough. So…what about Revelation 21:9?

“One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

Wait. Isn’t the Lamb talking about Jesus Christ? With all the numerous allusions to Christ as the sacrificial Lamb, I don’t think Rev 21:9 is talking about the Heavenly Father here. So let’s put two and two together:

“The bride is the wife of Jesus Christ” + “The bride is the Heavenly Mother” = Jesus Christ is in His Heavenly Mother’s pants

Yuck. Yuck Yuck Yuck! I don’t want no Jesus who marries His own Mother. Maybe that’s why we have mé·nage à trois on earth: the Heavenly Father and the CoG WMS Jesus are banging the Heavenly Mother together.

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  1. Same thing happened to me in Australia.

    Two girls asked if they could give me a survey. I was a bit weary but said “ok” anyway, (I don’t mind giving an opinion. I had some spare time – it was 12 noon and I was just going to go home).

    They asked me all sorts of crazy questions, like have you heard of the Heavenly Mother, have you heard of the Passover, etc. They said crazy things like: the earth is actually a shadow of heaven (there’s a Holy Jerusalem and a Jerusalem on earth), that we are actually fallen children/spirits from heaven and have sinned, and if we don’t get baptized and eat Gods’ flesh and blood every 2 months we will go to hell… etc.

    It sounded interesting, and… different, so I kept on listening. I ended up staying for about 3 hours!

    The next thing I knew it, I was in their car and going to get baptized. I was nervous because I had only just met them, and I didn’t know what they could do to me.

    It was an experience….a scary one.

    But anyway, they took me to their church (which was actually a house – but renovated). I was thinking “what have I gotten my self into?!” I thought they were going to kill me or something.

    I got baptized, watched a documentary about their “Passover” (which definitely looked like some kind of cult. There was a huge crowd of them all, they all looked Korean, all praying to God. They wore a lace kind-of material over their heads – it seemed symbolic for some reason).

    They offered me lunch and I ate. By then it was getting quite later (about 4:30) and my boyfriend was worried about me and he kept ringing.

    I let the girls know about this and told them that I had to get going. One of the girls (called Anne), really wanted me to come again tomorrow (their day of rest was apparently Saturday). She wanted me to join their study group. I said “no”, and replied to her “because I have a lot of homework”. I really didn’t want to get myself as involved as I already was.

    She went on readying out paragraphs from the bible, trying to make me feel guilty. She would not take ‘no’ for an answer. She said “ring you’re boyfriend, let him know you’ll be late”.

    I didn’t have any credit on me, so I didn’t want her to know that I couldn’t ring my boyfriend. I just kept on eating, until I finished my food.

    She offered to walk me to the station, and I said “alright”.

    I found her really annoying. She kept walking me off the foot-path! She wanted to be close to me to read me her Bible, and I kept wanting to move away. She even held my hand and stroked it!! I pulled away of course.

    She waited with me at the station until the train came. That whole time she was reading parts out of the Bible and trying to convince me to see her the next day (Sat).
    I asked her “Why not the following Saturday? I’m too busy”.

    She asked me for my mobile number. I was reluctant, but gave it to her anyway (at the time I didn’t know what to do).

    She checked it and she noticed that I left one number out (by accident). She told me to correct it. Then she rang the number, to check if I was lying.

    The train eventually pulled up.

    I got on.

    She yelled out “God Bless You, God Bless You, Sister! Ring me! You’ll ring me won’t you?!” Signally a phone with her hands.

    I said “Yeah”, a bit unenthusiastically.

    I just fell in a heap on one of the chairs, sighed, and rolled my eyes.

    I was just so humiliated! It was an interesting adventure I admit. But I would never do that again. I can’t believe I put my trust in those people, they could have done anything.

    I ended up changing my number straight away.

    • you shoud not blog like this it’s rude and you are calling me a cult cause i am in the world mission society church of god……so please dont say bad things…. oh! btw were the girls korean and if they were the holdig hands thing or the stroking is what they do in their country so dont blame them and im not korean im singaporean…..

      • Hi Chelsea,

        I’m sorry that this offends you. It is concerning, though, that so much of what the world mission society church of God teaches resembles things that other cults say.

        The typical signs of cults are:
        1. Extrabiblical revelation – bringing something new from outside of the Bible: a ‘new’ teaching revealed in some supernatural way

        2. A false basis of salvation – teaching that anything but Christ, and ONLY Christ, is what saves you: He is the one who died for your sins, no one else, and if you add good works, baptism, or anything else as a REQUIREMENT to be saved, you are saying that His death was not good enough on its own.

        3. Presumptuous Messianic Leadership – someone claiming to be the one you should follow, other than Christ. When Christ returns, he will return in glory, not be born as a baby again, and He will not die a second time – he has already died for our sins, there is no further need for him to die, is there?!

        4. Doctrinal Ambiguity – confusing teachings, taking obscure passages and not interpreting them through the light of clear passages in scripture, but interpreting them out of context.

        5. Segmented Biblical Attention – looking at verses and passages out of context, ignoring other clear passages: a similar thing was done in South Africa to justify apartheid laws as being Biblical: a VERY dangerous thing to do!

        6. Defective Christology – a misrepresentation of who Christ is: the ONLY way to the father, THE way, THE truth, THE life. Those who believe in the son will have life, those who reject him are condemned. Nothing about a ‘God-mother” there, and it’s crystal clear.

        7. The claim of “Special Discoveries” – that no one else has, and without which you can’t be saved.

        8. Related to the above: Denunciation of others – if you’re not part of this church/movement, then you can’t be saved.

        9. Enslaving Organisational Structure: only one person has the truth, and everyone else has to trust that what they teach is right, and cannot be questioned. No one can challenge their position.

        I’m sorry to say it, but your ‘church’ shows rather too many signs of being a cult to be ignored. Read the Bible on your own, for yourself. Let it speak for itself. It really could not be more clear. Please, pray for God to help you see the truth – even if you can only pray that he will show you what is true in the Bible, in case you might be wrong. Pray to Jesus, who died to give you life and freedom. Please.

      • A cult is one that opposes the social norms or religious norms. So its nothing wrong with people calling WMS a cult, because objectively thats what they are. But the people from WMS that I met are proud to have it called a cult, because it shows that they are different from the rest of Christianity, the ones that are obedient to God’s teachings and the ones who have the perfectly accurate interpretation of scripture.

        In addition, I wouldn’t really mind talking to people who believe in alternative forms of Christianity if we can sit down and have a logical/reasonable study of what scripture really means. However, it seems that people from WMS are so caught up in their way of thinking because they believe they have some form of divine revelation and the one true interpretation of the Bible. So, this makes it impossible to have a logical study with them on meanings of verses.

      • @Chelsea .. no matter what angle you’re positioned, see and analyze WMSCOG, it may not be a cult, same it can not be a religion. More appropriate is Fraud Organization. Its the truth, and those believing in the teachings of WMSCOG including you who had passed indoctrination are not aware that this fraud group is using for all you to amass money for their pockets. You’re all lost, and astray from the true path to salvation. You were taught how to be saved and you believed unaware of what they taught you is a trap to HELL.

      • The truth does not sin but sure annoys you. May God open your eyes so you may see that church for what it is a for profit ponzi scheme aim to funnel money to it’s leaders … Incuding whom you believe to be heavenly mother.

      • My comment is it those who are following the cult. Admitt that WMSCOG is for profit and kicks out any one who wuestions them.

    • WHO EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT JESUS HAVING SEX WITH MARY, YOU SOUND SO LOST, MARY WAS A PHYSICAL TOOL, A VIRGIN, WHO GAVE BIRTH TO GOD IN THE FLESH, THERE IS NO SEX IN HEAVEN ONLY ON EARTH, WE DONT DESERVE POWERS OF CREATION, WE SINNED IN HEAVEN, BECAUSE THIS IS TEMPORARY PRISON SO THAT WE MAY REPENT, THIS IS EARTH, WE DONT HAVE THE LUXURY OF HEAVEN, THIS IS EARTH WHERE WE SUFFER MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY, THE SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE ARE FROM HEAVEN, THE LAST ADAM AND THE LAST EVE, THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, AND ALWAYS WILL, THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, YOU THINK MY FATHER WANTS TO BE ALL ALONE, THEY ARE THE CREATORS OF CREATION, THEY CREATED EVERYTHING, (US)THEIR CHILDREN WERE CREATED AFTER THEMSELVES, WE ARE NOT GOD LIKE THEM, WE ARE NOT PERFECT, THATS HOW WE ENDED UP DOWN HERE, WE SINNED IN HEAVEN BY DISOBEYING GODS ULTIMATE LAW “DO NOT EAT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, SATAN TEMPTED US, HE WAS OVERWHELMED BY HIS SPLENDOR, BEAUTY AND POWER, HE WANTED TO OVERTAKE HEAVEN, THUS, DECIEVING BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND COMVINCING THEM TO EAT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE AND OF GOOD AND EVIL, WHICH WAS FORBIDDEN BY GOD, BECAUSE ANGELS WOULD BECOME LIKE GOD, KNOWING BOTH GOOD, AND EVIL, SOME ANGELS REBELLED REGARDLESS IF THEY WERE DECIEVED OR NOT, THEY BECAME INTENTIONALLY ENEMIES OF GOD, SOME BROTHERS AND SISTERS WERE CONFUSED, NOT KNOWING WHAT REALLY TO DO, THEY ARE THE UNINTENTIONAL SINNERS OF HEAVEN, FATHER AHN SAHNG HONG WRITES ABOUT EVERYTHING IN SOME OF HIS BOOKS, ALSO, THAT WE REPEAT OUR SIN FROM HEAVEN, ON EARTH, IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT MOTHER AND FATHER, SO BE IT, MOVE ON, DONT CRITISIZE, (MORE JUDGMENT) THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF GOD, AND YOU STILL WANT TO KILL THEM, JUST LIKE SATAN COMMANDED, THESE ARE SOME OF THE TRUE MYSTERIES REVEALED TO US BY OUR FATHER AHN SAHNG HONG, WHO CAN REVEAL THE TRUTH BETTER THAN THE AUTHOR OF LIFE? GOD. IM SORRY THAT SOME OF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ELEMENTARY ESSENTIALS, OF THE BIBLE, BUT THIS IS TRUTH, LIKE APOSTLE PAUL SAID, “DO YOU MAKE ENEMIES WITH ME BECAUSE IM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH” AND NO! THAT IS 100% FALSE! ABOUT DRAGGING PEOPLE INTO MEETINGS, I DONT THINK ANYONE DOES THAT, YOUR JUST MAD BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN EXPELLED FROM HEAVEN ON EARTH, DO NOT, SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION, I HAVE BEEN IN THE CHURCH FOR 7 YEARS, AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE PRESSURED TO DO ANYTHING, ALL WE DO IS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, BECAUSE GOD TOLD US TO, IF YOU COULD ONLY REALIZE, HOW CLOSE YOU CAME TO GOD AND “REJECTED CHRIST”, INSTEAD OF WALKING AWAY, YOU ARE ATTACKING A HUMBLE, BEAUTIFUL, LOVING, FULL OF GODS LOVE PLACE, WHERE THE BEST OF MEATS (JESUS’ FLESH) ARE GIVEN ON THE PASSOVER, WOW….. god bless you again, i hope you see the light one day, i never hope for anyone to be condemned, i tried, im letting you know, your making a huge mistake, and im going to leave you alone soon, so you can pursue your persecution, your just adding heeps of coal on your head, and everyone that follows you, god bless everyone ! dont beleive the nonsense you hear, and if you do, then God have mercy on your souls.

      • your exegesis of Scripture is so far off base it does not deserve a reply. You have obviously been brainwashed – and like most brainwashed people you refuse to admit it – rather sad actually – hopefully one day you will wake up – however Satan has obviously blinded your eyes.

    • I HOPE WE COULD FIND OUR LOST BROTHERS AND SISTERS, FOR THEM TO BE SAVED FROM THE LAST PLAGUE. OUR FATHER AHNSAHNGHONG AND OUR MOTHER NEW JERUSALEM, HOPE THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAY BAD THINGS ON YOU WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT PROPHECIED IN THE BIBLE…IM VERY SAD ABOUT THE FACT THAT ITS HARD FOR THEM TO SEE THE TRUTH.

      • How can you find your lost brothers and sisters when you yourself is lost. Pray to the Holy spirit to enlighten your mind so that you will be saved from the plague of the WMSCOG. It is just hard for you to see the deception of this church,

        However hard the satan may try though this time cunningly using the selected verses from the Bible as a tool to deceive God still works wonders and sends his people out to show them the real truth. So they do not speak bad warn the others about the church and its fake gods.

        Do some research by yourself if you think these people out here are bad. We pray you see the truth as soon as possible and be saved as it saddens us too to see how blinded you are to worship a dead god and female God who is not omniscient.

  2. Wow. That’s quite an ordeal.

    Makes me wonder how many people they manage to drag into their meetings by sheer pressure.

    Thank goodness you escaped from them and that you came out alright :)

  3. they also tell there new gospel in Holland. But I think we have to listen to the bible. In galatians 1:8 Paul sais; 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Lets listen to the bible and spread the gospel that we only need Jesus.

  4. I had to say this again and again Because we all may speak to God (not Only jamie)Those korian also tell there new gospel in Holland. But I think we have to listen to the bible. In galatians 1:8 Paul sais; 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Lets listen to the bible and spread the gospel that we only need Jesus.

    • CORRECT. AND APOSTLE PAUL IS ALSO THEE ONLY PROPHET IN THE BIBLE, WHO DIRECTLY WROTE THAT THE NEW JERUSALEM THAT IS (ABOVE) IS FREE, AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER:) GALATIANS 4:26

      • And now for the context:

        —————-
        Galatians 4:21-28 (New International Version)

        21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
        24These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:
        “Be glad, O barren woman,
        who bears no children;
        break forth and cry aloud,
        you who have no labor pains;
        because more are the children of the desolate woman
        than of her who has a husband.”[a]

        28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.

        —————–
        As you can see, the apostle is using allegory to explain the two covenants. The Galatians were turning back to circumcision along with old covenant rites as practiced (at the time of writing, in Jerusalem) . But the new covenant (established by Jesus Christ) is the covenant of faith that was promised to Abraham (the father of the faithful, see Galatians 3:7-9). So, one covenant is earthly and leads to death. The other is spiritual, heavenly and truly fulfills the promises made to Abraham in the sacrificial death of Christ on behalf of the faithful. And this faith (belief that Christ has done all that we can never do) leads to life everlasting in the New Jerusalem from above.

        So, as the apostle Paul says, “these things are to be taken allegorically” so the faithful in Christ know that they are “children of the promise.” We are “born again” as these children to a living hope in the only only Savior, namely, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

        Still waiting for Scripture to teach about a spiritual mother.

  5. Hi, it’s me again.
    You are right Joan. It says in the Bible – that if you “believe in God and Jesus you will be saved”. I think it is also important to keep a broad mind and not change what is written in the Bible. Believing in God and Jesus, to me, is the most important thing. Jesus died so that he could save us.
    Those two girls, who approached me, did not mention anything about Jesus dieing to save us. I asked them how I would go to heaven, they only said “if you attend the Passover and have been baptized”.
    They turned up at my door step today.
    I forgot to mention, that after I was baptized I had to fill in a form to register. I included my name, date of birth, mobile number and address. They must have got my address from the priest who baptized me.
    My boyfriends’ grandmother opened the door and let them in after saying that they were there to see me.
    They greeted me with a hand shake but I refused. I thought “What a cheek, I changed me number so they wouldn’t hassle me and now they are turning up at my door step!!”
    I said to them in front of my boyfriends’ grandmother, that I didn’t want to join their religion, that I changed me mind. They kept asking me “why?”. That I have to go to the Passover, etc.
    I asked if they wanted to sit outside, and they were happy to.
    Basically, they kept pressuring me, and trying to make me do something that I didn’t really want to do. I said to them “I really don’t feel like going, and joining your religion”, and “I believe in God, and when it suits me, I want to study the Bible in my own time”.
    They wouldn’t accept it, asking me about mother God, etc. They just stood there bullying me, trying to make me see sense. It got to me after a while, after pleading for so long for them to leave. I just sat there. My head down, hands behind my neck, quivering. Feeling stressed out and hot and bothered. Just wishing they would just leave me alone!!
    They said that they had traveled far to see me; went out of their way.
    By boyfriends father came out of his shed to get something from the house, and noticed the two girls “hounding” me.
    He asked me “what’s wrong, are you ok”. I couldn’t answer him. I was terrified!
    He said to them, “alright now, I think you had better leave”. They wouldn’t budge, and they tried to preach to him.
    He said to them, “Katherine, is safe with us. She is safe here,” and “you are making Katherine upset, leave”.
    One of the girls looked through her Bible and went to say something to him, and he said that he “didn’t want to hear it”. They were persistent. In the end they left.
    I was so terrified. They whole time my head was spinning. They wouldn’t be convinced that I wasn’t interested and that I wanted them to leave.
    Christianity is not about bullying others. It should be about caring for one another, and leading a happy life. Believing in God should enrich your life, not control it. Religion shouldn’t consume you and narrow your mind. Man has a choice; let him have the right to choose. God gave us a choice – not demands.

    • hey how can you blame a church who is doing n putting so much efforts pls u dont like it just leave it any ways u will have 2 face the judgement for your deeds … this is really shameful that u caled a church cult but still i wish god forgives you this is really really shameful n more over you r shameful….

      • Shamla, You speak foolishly. The Church of God World Mission Society is a cult and if you are involved with it, you ought to repent and forsake it immediately. Your shame based ploys are demonic and it is you who will stand in judgment to this unless you forsake this error. I pray you do.

      • GOD BLESS YOU

      • Jim,

        What authority do you have to say that Shamla speaks foolishly because she chooses to believe? If God gave us a choice, then we have that choice to believe or not to believe. This would also be true for those who truly seek the truth.
        What you believe is what you have been taught by those who have interpreted the Bible in the way they were taught. Satin has been in existence since the beginning of time. Could it not be possible that like Adam and Eve, many generations after Christ could be deceived? If you are a seeker of the truth, then you must weed through all forms of the lie.
        If we are to be children of God, then we must follow everything that he commanded on the days he said to do them. Therefore, if history is correct, and the Roman Catholic Church changed the day of the Sabbath to Sunday and changed Passover to communion in 325AD, setting these as standards for all Christian churches up until this very day, is it not man who follows such changes against God?
        2000 years ago, God’s children rejected Christ and hung him on a cross. If Christ were to speak to us today, you and others on the site would join in and call him and his followers a cult just as those who claimed to be children of God did 2000 years ago.
        Christ said that HE would come again. He also said that there would be many who would claim to be him in the last days as there have been in every country. So how will we know who he is when he comes? We will know the same way they knew 2000 years ago, and we’ll know that many who claim to be children of God will reject Him.
        He has died to bear our sin, but when he comes again He will bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him (Hebrews 9:28). This means we must follow all of the commands of God to show that we are waiting for him and only those who do so will have salvation.
        What church do you know of that has brought back what was change by men in 325AD, and who was it that revealed these things to us? The second coming of Christ is who. That is how Shamla Knows. He used the words of the Bible to show where we had gone wrong. Just as he did 2000 years ago, he used the words of the Old Testament to show that he had fulfilled the prophecy that was spoken there. What cult leader do you know of that had done that without some form of overwhelming evil. When the Christ came a second time, he taught salvation just as He said He would, never to bring harm to His children but salvation. If you look at his life and what he preached, you can see that he fulfilled the prophecies as they were written, not to add to the Bible or change it, but to show us the way home. What cult leader has done that with no harm to his followers?
        I am not telling you to repent, nor am I judging you by what you believe, because I was where you are. I am only telling you that if you are a true child of God, He will reveal His truth to you if you truly seek it.

        Katherine,

        I am so sorry that you were meant to feel that way. Please try to remember that other cultures are not the same and we as humans can make mistakes and take the wrong approach. My prays and hope it that you continue to seek the truth.

      • @shamla … Jim has told you the truth. God may not even pass judgement on you and your group because you’re already condemned to HELL. By the lies and deceptions you’re spreading against the Creator of Heavens and Earth, you won’t be spared from being thrown to the lake of fire. Just a piece of advise from a brother, back out as soon from this group, repent and ask forgiveness, perhaps you can still be forgiven, yet should you prefer staying, then admit that your destination is HELL.

    • EZEKIEL 20:24 IF A MAN REJECTS GODS LAW, GOD WILL GIVE HIM STATUTES WHICH IS NOT GOOD, AND LAWS HE CANNOT LIVE BY.

      ARE YOU SERIOUS?

      WHAT JESUS MENT BY BELIEVE IN ME, IS TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS, DOES GOD LIE? THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THAT, AGAIN, IN MATHEW 7:21, ON THE DAY OF “JUDGMENT” AWAY FROM ME YOU EVILDOERS, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS, NOW, THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN GODS PRESENCE, THEY ARE LAWLESS,

      MATHEW 13:41 THOSE WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS, WILL BE THROWN INTO THE FIERY FURNACE,
      LUKE 16:19 -29 CLEAR AS CAN BE: A RICH MAN WAS BURNING IN HELL, O.K,
      HE STARTED CRYING, BECAUSE THE FIRE IS TRECHEROUS RIGHT, HE ASKED GOD, ,, IF GOD CAN WARN HIS BROTHERS ABOUT THIS FIERY TORMENT HE DOES NOT WANT THEM TO EXPERIENCE, THEN GOD REPLIES: THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, LET THEM LISTEN TO THEM, THEN THE RICH MAN SAYS, “THEN WHAT SHALL WE LEARN FROM THEM?” AND GOD SAYS: “ITS GODS LAW, GODS COMMAND.

      EZEKIAL 18:21 IF MAN KEEPS ALL THE DECREES OF GOD, HE WILL SURELY LIVE

      JEREMIAH6:19 GOD WILL BRING DISASTERS ON THOSE WHO REJECT GODS LAW.
      YOU NEVER HEAR THE SCRIPTURE, HE WHO KEEPS MY COMMANDS LOVES ME!
      YOU’LL SEE IT, THAT CLEARLY MEANS THAT IF YOUR NOT KEEPING GODS LAWS, YOU HATE HIM. UNLESS GODS A LIAR (NEVER EVER EVER THAT)

      1 JOHN 2:3 WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM, (GOD) IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS, SO IF WE DO NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDS, IT CLEARLY SAYS WE DONT KNOW HIM,
      MORE.
      JEREMIAH 7:25 GOD HAS CONTINUALLY SENT HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW HIS COMMANDS.
      THINK ABOUT IT, THERE IS SO MUCH TESTIMONY ABOUT GODS COMMANDS, ITS CLEAR AS WATER ABOUT WHAT GODS COMMANDS ARE:
      THE PASSOVER, EVERLASTING COVENANT, (FOREVER) GENERATIONS TO COME WE MUST KEEP IT,
      CURSED IS THE MAN WHO GOES HIS OWN WAY ON THE LORDS DAY,
      THE SABBATH IS ALSO THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT, WHEN THE ISRAELITES DIDNT KEEP NEITHER OF THESE TWO, THEY COLLAPSED IN THE DESERT, SHADOW OF THE PAST, WE WONT COLLAP[SE AND DIE, BUT RECIEVE GODS WRATH, WORSE THAN THE OLD TESTAMENT,
      AGAIN THE SABBATH IS JESUS’ CUSTOM, A CUSTOM IS SOMETHING WE KEEP, WHY WOULD IT BE A COMMAND BUT HMMMM….JUST IGNORE IT, NO
      IT SAYS, KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY SO THAT I CAN MAKE YOU! HOLY.
      SO IF WE DONT KEEP THE SABBATH DAY, HOW CAN WE SAY WE ARE HOLY,
      YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THE SEVEN FEAST? JESUS KEPT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM,
      HIS COMMANDS ARE, THE SEVEN FEAST, SABBATH AND [PASSOVER ARE INCLUDSED IN THE 7 FEAST, THE 7TH DAY, KEEP IT HOLY, THATS IT, ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, THE FEASTS, DONT COME AROUND VERY OFTEN, JUST SATURDAY, HAVE TO KEEP, SATURDAY, IF YOU SAY YOU BELEIVE IN JESUS, THEN HOW COME YOU DONT KEEP HIS CUSTOM? AND THIS IS THE NEW COVENANT, NOT THE OLD ONE, IT DID NOT CHANGE, MOSES KEPT THE SABBATH DAY, AND PASSOVER AND THE 7 FEASTS, AND THEY WERE GRANTED, FOOD FROM THE SKY, AND WATER FROM A ROCK, BUT THOSE WHO REJECTED GODS LAW, DIED ON THE SPOT

      • Child of God,

        Well said!. Interesting that you said “it is clear as water” If you have ever went swimming and opened your eyes under water you can not see clearly unless you have glasses or goggles on, We can clearly see through water within glass. It takes those who know the truth to put things within the concept of those who are without tools of vision,

  6. I do not understand of all this talk about the Church of God being a cult. Why do you people say such things. You go on the internet and read peoples websites that persecute the Church of God and you believe easily enough. How foolish.

    If it says in the Bible that the Passover is the way Jesus gives us eternal life, then why don’t you check it out in the Bible to see if it is true or not.

    If the Bible testifies that we have a spiritual Mother, then check it out in the Bible, instead of making ignorant comments like, “this is another cult”.

    Acts 17:11 — Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

    Did Jesus not say that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life?

    John 6:53 — Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Do yo believe Jesus or not? What did he say?

    Those who believe, have faith in Jesus’ words. He gave us his flesh and blood to eat on the night before he died. This was the night of the Passover. He had to die, because a will (covenant) is not put into effect until the one who made it dies. Jesus’ promise to us was eternal life.

    Jesus said,”unless you eat the flesh of the son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you”.

    How do you respond to this? Is the Church of God making up scriptures? I dont think so.

    We are trying to show you the truth that second coming Christ has brought back to us.

    There are many prophecies in the Bible, that second coming Christ will bring back the Passover. This will be like his identification card so we can recognize the true Christ from among all the false Christs in the world.

    • Hi, I am very happy to hear all things. Let me ask you some questions.
      1. dont you know your god (ahnsahnghong) was dead and his tomb was in korea.

      2. bible clearly mention that God never see holy ones to decay. But your god bod was decomposed.

      3. if you read Act 1.11 The Jesus the way he went into the heaven, he will come in the same way. how can you say he came secretly from korea.

      4.God has no father(physically) even jesus has no father. But you God has
      father. he was buddist.

      5.Death will never rule again on jesus because he wins the death by resurrection how can second coming christ will controlled by death.

      6.Heavenly mother established by Heavenly god not by Man he has no control on his life.

      finally i believe in passover. but we have to eat the flesh and drink the blood of resurrected christ not deadly christ.

      get away from the chruch and save your self. I am also the memeber of COG. i came to know the truth. i left the chruch( that is your Zion).

      • actually ben, if you got your facts steight, before you left this post, Christ Ahn Sahng Hong, is, thee only man in the history of the world, to predict his death, which was not a death at all, he just layed back, closed his eyes, and went back to heaven, in front of our brothers, jesus, body was never found because he came from a virgin, and his body was pure, Father CHRIST Ahn Sahng Hong was born from a gentile family, he was born the natural way, not like Jesus, Ahn Sahng Hongs body was left on earth because it was just a physical tool, to accomplish the 37 years of david reign, to complete the 40 years of ministry.

      • SAVE YURSELF? HOW CAN ANYONE SAVE THEMSELF, THATS IMPOSSIBLE, NO ONE HAS THE POWER OF SALVATION EXCEPT GOD, AND IF YOU STUDIED WHEN YOU WERE IN THE CHURCH, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE PROPHESY OF 2ND COMING CHRIST, MUST COME IN THE GENEOLOGY OF MECHIZEDECK THE HIGH PRIEST, WHO WAS BORN, INTO A GENTILE FAMILY, JUST LIKE CHRIST AHN SAHNG HONG, BAPTIZED AT AGE 30, JUST LIKE CHRIST AHN SAHNG HONG, AND THERES MORE…….NO WONDER YOU LEFT THE CHURCH…….YOU NEVER STUDIED, YOU PROBABLY SAT AROUND JUDGING EVERYONE, AND THATS WHY YOU LEFT THE TRUE CHURCH, ITS BETTER TO HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD AT ALL, THAN TO KNOW GOD, AND THEN TURN YOUR BACK ON GOD, STUDY,,,,, STUDY,,,,,,,,STUDY, IS WHAT I TELL EVERYONE, I CANT BELEIVE THIS…………………….

    • It is the same ignorance which got Jesus crucified in the first place.

    • THANK YOU BROTHER, IT ONLY SAYS LIKE IN 1 OR 2 VERSES, THAT BELEIVE IN JESUS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED, IT SAYS THROUGHOUT THEE ENTIRE BIBLE, TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS, WHY WOULD WE REJECT GODS LAW, TO BELEIVE IN THE OLDEST OLDEST THEORY, JUST BELEIVE, AND YOU WILL LIVE, NO….. I KEEP ON LEAVING SCRIPTURES ABOUT KEEPING GODS LAWS, ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, THE REASON PEOPLE DONT KNOW ABOUT THE 7 FEASTS, IS BECAUSE 2ND COMING RESTORED THE SEVEN FEASTS, IF HE DIDNT, I WOULDVE NEVER KNOWN, I WOULDVE BEEN LOST,

      AND OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT A CULT IS, A CULT IS LIKE, THAT ONE RELIGION WHERE THEY WERE HAVING ORGIES, AND DRINKING POISON IN THE DESERT, A CULT IS MAN MADE, AND BELEIVES IN IDOLATRY, THE CHURCH OF GOD DOES NOT SET UP CROSSES, DO THESE PEOPLE EVEN KNOW WHAT IDOLATRY IS, IN THE BIBLE, FIND THE TITLE, IN JEREMIAH, AND EZEKIEL, AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER BOOKS OF THE BIBLE, IDOLATRY IS SETTING UP AN IMAGE OF ANYTHING, A CROSS, A STONE, A ROCK, ANYTHING, WE DO NOT SET UP ANYTHING, WE GO BY THE BIBLE, THE TEACHINGS OF THE WORLD MISSION SOCIETY CHURCH OF GOD, STREIGHT FROM BIBLICAL TEXT, WHATS THE SECRET TO GOING TO HEAVE, AGAIN FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME,,,,,,,UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLEASH AND BLOOD OF THE SON OF MAN, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU, JESUSS EXACT WORDS, AM I MISSING SOMETHING, MAYBE HE JUST SAID THAT’ TO ENTERTAIN YOU GUYS, YA, THE PASSOVER, FLESH AND BLOOD, NO LIFE, PRETTY SERIOUS TO ME

      • please send more information God Bless…

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  8. I have read the Bible cover to cover (Old and New Testament, no inclusion of Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, alternative gospels, Book or Mormon or etc.) and haven’t found any trace of a Heavenly Mother. God is always referred to as ‘He’ or ‘Him’. Even the angels always appear as men.

    I believe in the Bible. Such as when it says that when Jesus returns, it will be seen by everyone on Earth (Matthew 24:27, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt%2024;&version=31; ). I must have missed it while busy blogging. Did anyone post it on YouTube?

    So I have to ask Ryan and everyone reading: Could Jesus possibly have returned to Earth in 1964 in the form of Ahnsahnghong? And correctly predicted the Second Coming of Christ (himself? wasn’t he already there?) for 1967 and 1988?

    After all, consider that Joseph Smith of the Mormons prophecied that Jesus would return within his lifetime by 1890. Though Joseph Smith died before that date.

    Herbert Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God predicted that Jesus already returned in 1936 (later changed to 1945).

    Jim Jones was the reincarnation of Jesus until 1978, when he led his Peoples Temple followers in drinking cyanide-laced drinks and shooting himself in the head.

    David Koresh was also the reincarnation of Jesus, until he died in 1993 along with his Branch Davidians in the Waco Siege shoot-out and fire.

    Marshall Applewhite was yet another ‘the reincarnation of Jesus’ until 1997, when he led his Heaven’s Gate to commit suicide so that their souls could get onto Comet Hale-Bopp… Which was also somehow carrying Jesus on it at the same time.

    And José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia (Florida, USA) is also currently Jesus Christ, along with Ayah Pin of Negara Langit (Malaysia) and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church (Korea – looks like Ahnsahnghong has a rival here).

    Btw, did any of the various Korean reincarnations bother to contact Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church? The last time Jesus appeared to him to tell him about his mission was in 1935. You’d think that they could update him with the new, radically different plans and use the infrastructure the Unification Church already has in Korea.

    And don’t forget about the equally valid claims of all these other guys… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_claim_to_be_Jesus_Christ

    So, in conclusion, YES! Jesus reincarnated has been on Earth exclusively as Ahnsahnghong from 1964 till he died in 1985, while simultaneously exclusively being all the above mentioned reincarnations.

    What? You don’t agree? Are you saying that all of the above are mistaken cults and have false Christs or something, without even researching them first? That’s like, bigotry and arrogance and stuff! Don’t be so easily believing and foolish!

    PS. Remember the above names and organizations. They are useful quotes when debating the next reincarnation of Christ you meet on the street.

    • Scotts an idiot, you read the bible front to back so now your the authority on the bible? Please you’re the arrogant one! So what makes you and your group any different from the cults you just mentioned? Are you Catholic, I don’t think I need to get into about the child molesting perverted pig priests do I, I think everyone know right? So it’s okay to be in a group lead by perverted pigs but that’s okay as long as your not preaching about Jesus coming in the flesh. I wondered how many of those priest are giving sermons, going commando probably with a hard one looking at all the altar boys.
      Or are you protestant? The Christian church has overthrown leaders, assassinated, burnt books, witch burnings, Spanish Inquisition, started wars, tortured, 19th century missionaries and a hundred other crimes. But all is okay as long as you don’t say Jesus is back. So next time a Christian comes and preaches about Jesus’ love just remember what I told you.

  9. u all want an obvious thing to show that they are herectical? well.. the Mother is the so called founder and leader of the church and she is supposedly the Second Coming of Christ!!! simply astounding… wad else to say? not a cult?

  10. My sis was in this group for a couple weeks. Luckily we talked her out of it. Check out these websites.

    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/
    http://www.ahnsahnghong.info

    Definately a cult.

    • APPARENTLY YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING, HAVE YOU EVEN STUDIED ABOUT MOTHER? YOU ARE PERSECUTING THE CHURCH OF GOD, JUST LIKE 2000 YEARS AGO, YOU SPIRITUAL PHARISEES, ALWAYS BELIEVING WHAT THE CROWD GOES FOR, DONT YOU HAVE A MIND OF YOUR OWN? SHOULDNT YOU BE GOING TO YOUR OWN CHURCH, TRYING TO BECOME HUMBLE, BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER BE PERSECUTED,,,,,,,MARK MY WORDS,,,,,,,,THAN BE THE PERSECUTOR, WHO IS GOD GOING TO HAVE MERCY ON? ME OR YOU? SOME ONE JUDGING, OR SOMEONE BEING JUDGED, HOW CAN YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES AT NIGHT, AND CALL YOURSELF GODLY WHEN YOU ARE ATTACKING INNOCENT PEOPLE, BUT YOU FULFILL THE SCRIPTURE, YOU WOLVES, DEVOURING SOULS, MASQUERADING AS ANGELS OF THE LIGHT, JUST LIKE SATAN, STOP JUDGING, YOUR JUST BRINGING JUDGMENT ON YOURSELF, WHILE WE WATCH YOU DIGG YOURSELF IN A HOLE, (BEWARE)

      • @Child of God. . you have a mother god? who? an unclean woman who past two husbands, one she married and the other one she was a concubine? and you’re calling her also as church of god? shame on you. you’re already condemned to HELL. well Beware for you cannot be saved by your appointed gods

    • Warning: Your website links have been disabled or hijacked/hacked. Possibly by WMS COG. They now lead nowhere, or to propaganda websites. Just to let you know.

  11. By the way, that Mother lady is called Chung Gil Cha. Shes no god, she’s a cult leader.

    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/
    http://www.ahnsahnghong.info

    • stop saying that cult?? what you tink u r a holy person ???

  12. Revelation 22:17 — The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

    According to the prophecies in the Bible, in the last days, we need to come to the Spirit and the bride for eternal life (water of life).

    2000 years ago, it was Jesus (1st coming of Christ) that had the water of life. Now that we are living in this last age, we need the Spirit and the bride according to the Bible.

    Only God can give eternal life. Then who is this bride spoken of in Revelation?

    Revelation 21:9 – 9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

    It is prophesied that the bride, the heavenly Jerusalem will come down out of heaven in the last days.

    2000 years ago, Jesus said he came down from heaven (John 6), but he came in the flesh being born as you and I.

    So who is this Heavenly Jerusalem that Apostle John saw coming down from heaven?

    Should we trust man’s opinion or see what the Bible says?

    Galatians 4:26 — 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother……31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

    The Bible says that the Jerusalem that is above is our mother.

    In Revelation it says that the heavenly Jerusalem was coming down out of heaven.

    Are these words not clear to you?

    Genesis 1:26 — 26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness……

    Genesis 11:5 — 5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

    Isaiah 6:8 — 8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
    And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

    Who is “us”?

    Genesis 1:27 — So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.

    So male and female were created in the image of God.

    Then God has a male image we call God the Father, correct?

    Then what would you call the female image of God?

    Does not the Bible testify that we are children of God? Is this too difficult to understand?

    There is much more prophecy about our spiritual mother in the Bible than you know about. If you would like to know them, I would be more than happy to show you.

  13. 1 Thess 5: 19Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; 20do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22Avoid every kind of evil.

    The Bible says to not treat prophecies with contempt, yet many of you could care less about the prophecies concerning the age we live in today.

    It is very sad.

    For those of you who do not understand, Jesus is Jehovah God in the flesh. They are not separate entities. Christ Ahnsahnghong is not a separate entity from Jesus Christ.

    Don’t you people know that it is prophesied that second coming Jesus is going to come with a new name? Read Rev. 2 and Rev. 3

    Was the name Jesus found in the old testament?
    Jesus was a new name. The Bible said that apart from Jehovah there is no savior.

    Then how could the apostle Peter so boldly testify that through no other name than Jesus can you be saved?

    He understood that Jehovah and Jesus are one and the same.

    In the same way, now second coming Christ has come with a new name according to the prophecies in the Bible, but most of you do not seem to be interested in the prophecies.

    That is your choice. There are true Christians seeking the truth and there are the fake Christians.

  14. Yes there are true Christians seeking the truth and there are fake Christians. Yet you guys don’t fall under the category Christians anymore. You follow a different Jesus.

    Why does God permit Jesus Christ His son to marry His Wife and Jesus’ Mother if he forbids such man to engage in such relationships? Are you sure that’s the same god you talk about? God doesn’t contradict Himself at all.

    1 Thess 5:21 as you said: Test everything. Hold on to the good. Indeed, I have tested your theology and it is severly lacking. Therefore I reject it and hold on to what is good: that Ahnsahnghongians teach wrong doctrines.

    Where is the proof that the church of Ahnsahnghong is a true church? The bible says that signs and wonders will follow Jesus’ disciples, yet where are the miracle crusades and wondrous works of the Ahnsahnghongian church? I’d say that things haven’t changed yet since God is still performing tons of miracles and wonders worldwide using people who know that Ahnsahnghong was not, is not and can never be Christ.

    • IF YOUR GOING TO PERSECUTE, AT LEAST SOUND CONVINCING, IM NOT EVEN GOING TO WAIST MY BREATH ON YOU, YOU ALREADY GOT PREACHED TO, DONE WITH, YOU ARE NOT ALL THERE,,,,,, YOU NEED HELP,,,,, YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH PERSECUTING THE CHURCH OF GOD, AND YOU DONT EVEN MAKE SENSE, YOUR MIND IS STUCK ON THE UNIVERSE, YOU HAVE NO SPIRITUAL GIFTS WHATSOEVER THAT ALLOW YOU TO LISTEN OR SEE SPIRITUALLY, YOU ARE NO THREAT!! AT ALL!! IF I WAS A NEW MEMBER YOU WOULD NOT CONVINCE ME AT ALL, THAT IM IN A CULT, PEOPLE LIKE YOU DISGUST ME, WHY DONT YOU SEEK YOUR LEVEL OF COMFORT, INSTEAD OF BADGERING GOOD INNOCENT PEOPLE TRYING TO KEEP GODS COMMANDS, IM SORRY YOU WERE NOT CHOSEN TO UNDERSTAND, I TRULY WISH GOD CAN GIVE YOU A SIGN OR SOMETHING, IM SURPRISED YOU HAVNT BEEN STRUCK BY LIGHTNING YET, I WOULD BE VERY VERY FEARFUL IF I WERE YOU, YOU MUST HAVE A LONELY, SAD, HARD LIFE, AND THE WAY YOUR GOING, I WOULDNT DOUBT IT, IF GOD IS ALREADY PUNISHING YOU AND YOUR LIFE IS PROBABLY CURSED, I CANT BELEIVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXIST, NO LIFE, AT ALL, GET ONE, GET A RELIGION, AND LEAVE THE CHURCH OF GOD ALONE!! DE-ACTIVATE THIS BLOGGING SIGHT AT ONCE, IN THE NAME OF FATHER CHRIST AHN SAHNG HONG, I PRAY THAT YOUR COMPUTER GETS A VIRUS OR SOMETHING, AND THAT YOU WILL NO LONGER POST, ANYMORE, CRITICISM ABOUT THE TRUE CHURCH, IM SORRY YOUR UNHAPPY AND CONFUSED BUT DONT TAKE IT OUT ON US

      • you yourself are a contridiction to the entire Bible wasting your breath? your time? with the words you speak you are clearly very arrogant and self righteous! I would be careful with the words you speak you are a representation of your CHURCH and you are showing your TRUE colours you do not show fruits of the Spirit only one can Judge and that is not your God of Korea and is certainly not you. The only way to the Father is through the son John 14:6, John 3:16-17. God sent his beloved son that we may be saved in him by accepting he is the Son of the Father only through his blood we are made clean. You are not holy, you have no authority and no right to Judge. The Second coming of our Lord and saviour will be NO secret Matthew 16:27, Matthew 24:30, Mark 13:26-27, Acts 1:11, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 1:7. Luke 6:28, KJV
        “Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.”
        it is very dangerous of you to even pray that the Father would curse someone for YOUR misunderstandings you are very HARSH and CRUDE. Maybe you should ask God to work on the inside of your life before you tell others to work on theirs.

      • Are you under the name of ‘child of god’ also? You set no good example of a true christian, you should be ashamed of yourself!

        It seems you are very angry and are full with hatred when you throw out scriptures, (you even use uppercase when typing, which is an indication of ‘yelling’ in the texting world) I’d take it slow if I were you & get to understand more about yourself, instead of slandering others. Don’t let the devil get to you..just sayin

  15. Wow Jamie, you do not even know the prophecies of second coming Christ and you speak like this?

    First of all, you do not understand that Jesus IS God the Father in the flesh. Do you not know the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6?

    You do not even understand the most fundamental truths of the Bible and you persecute Ahnsahnghong and those who follow the savior of this age. You are just like the Pharisees 2000 years ago.

    They called Jesus and his followers the Nazarene Sect. A cult in other words.

    You speak out of ignorance rather than with a mind to find the truth.

    If you really want to know the answers to the questions you pose, I can give them to you.

    You ask where the proof is that the Church of God is the true Church. Well I can prove it to you using the Scriptures.

    Just like those who asked for miracles from Jesus and when he performed them, they still stoned him.

    In the same way, I can present you with the truth in the Bible and you will still say the same thing. Gods children are humble and seekers of the truth. Unfortunately you are neither.

  16. Jamie, did you know that we actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ? Hey, that would make us Christians.

    Did Jesus keep sunday service or Sabbath?
    Did Jesus keep Eucharist or Passover?
    Did the apostles hide Easter eggs once a year?
    Did the apostles celebrate Christman as the birth of Jesus?

    True Christians follow the gospel of Christ found in the Bible, not man made traditions.

    The gospel of Christ was gradually changed by the power of the Catholic Church. Througout the Dark Ages, God’s people were executed for not following the heretical teachings of the Catholic Church. This is why Christ must come again, to bring back the truth that was destroyed hundreds of years ago.

    John 14:25″All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    John 15: 26″When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

    Is this not clear to you?

    Why must second coming Christ come and remind us of everything he taught 2000 years ago?

    Well, look at what Christianity is today.

    Sunday service
    worship of cross and idols
    Easter
    Christmas

    This is not the gospel of Christ.

    Now, the Chuch of God – the early church- , has been restored by second coming Christ Ahnsahnghong and we keep all of Jesus’ teachings.

    Why do sisters in the Church of God wear veils? Because it is a teaching in the Bible.

    Why do we keep the Passover of the New Covenant? Because that is when he established the new covenant and gave us his flesh and blood for the forgiveness of sins. (matt 26:17-28)

    Why do we keep all of the feasts of God? Because Jesus gave us the example 2000 years ago.

    Christians follow Christ.

    Do you Jamie, or are you into celebrating Christmas and wearing a cross??

  17. Ryan, what the Bible says about prophecies is taht a true prophet will have his prophecies come to pass. What recorded prophecies have the founder of the Church of God made that have come to pass?

    Ryan, you should know that Jamie is not of the Roman Catholic church. The worship of idols or crosses, the eating of the eucharist, the praying to saints – all of that is irrelevant when debating with a Protestant. Especially if the Protestant agrees with you that Catholicism is corrupted (such as the Chic Tracts).

    And that remark about Easter eggs… I am surprised you didn’t raise the issue of Santa Claus blasphemy too! Do Evangelicals practise those things, or do atheist Westerners?

    Know also that as a Protestant, he does not consider any of the rites and rituals to be necessary for salvation – only belief in Jesus (as Jesus Himself said, and as Jamie has mentioned before in this blog). He will not go to hell either for celebrating on Sunday or Easter or Christmas in memory of Jesus, or for not celebrating it.

    Ryan, if Jesus is the Father, why does He call Himself the Son and refer to YHWH as His Father? And what of the Holy Spirit, what familial role does He play?

    Ryan, if Jerusalem is already our mother, how did I miss all the signs of the end of days that precede the last days we are supposedly in? Your remarks about Revelation – No, they are not clear at all, you need to explain your beliefs instead of leaving a hanging question. Readers are NOT educated in Church of God doctrines.

    Ryan, if the Church of God is the only true church, why is it lacking in power and influence to change this corrupt world? The Mormons are doing much better, and I doubt you would consider Joseph Smith the true successor to Jesus.

    Ryan, does your church forbid all alcohol? Practise circumcism or not (Jesus definitly was, Paul said we don’t need to)? Wash the feet of other believers? Go to Jerusalem for the Temple Feasts? All of these thigns Jesus did.

    Ryan, do you consider Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple, David Koresh of the Branch Davidians, Marshall Applewhite of Heaven’s Gate, José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia, Ayah Pin of Negara Langit and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church to be members of a cult?

    They all claimed to be the second coming of Christ, yet that cannot be if the Church of God’s doctrine is correct. But as you said, calling other groups ‘cult’ is what the Pharisees did.

    Ryan, what does the Church of God possess that all those other groups not possess? They all also claim to follow the true teaching of Christ. Why should I choose your group over theirs?

    Ryan, what I’m trying to say is: Why do you choose the Church of God over any other church? What convinces you that their interpretation is correct, compared to all the others? If the Latter Day Saints had preached to you first, would you now be a Mormon?

  18. Ryan… I would like to give you the invitation to clearly state the main beliefs, teachings and doctrines of your church. Support them with Scripture if you wish. In this way, we can clearly weigh your words.

    The truth is, going on about how mainstream Christianity is corrupted says NOTHING about why the Church of God is correct. If all you accomplish is to convice people that the mainstream church is misguided, they could simply become Muslims or Buddhists. Or they could join the Brethren church – their women wear veils just like your church.

    You need to clearly state your church’s beliefs and why they are correct. And in return, we will weigh your logic and proof. If you are confident you can adequately put forward and defend your convictions, then go ahead in faith.

  19. I have assisted the Church of God, i believe it to be a load of crap

    1. Christ AhnSahngHong who they beleive to be my lord and savior isnt! Why? the COG teaches that AhnSahngHung came in secret, they contradict the word of god!: Revelations 1:7 says “Behold, he cometh with clouds and EVERY eye will see him and they also which pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.” >>>> Nobody saw this happen, this is the word of the bible the word of god, if it was prophesized to happen this way it will! More proof? :
    Acts 1:11 says: “This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”>>>>>> the bible also says that beleivers and non beleivers will witness the second coming, and that christ will come when all nations gather against Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:3 and 14:2-3)

    2. The heavenly mother doesn’t refer to an actual woman, remember the parables, the COG loves to say that no one understands them except for themselves, the bride of the lamb, jesus, is his children, us, we who have accepted him as our savior in baptism. The bible says that when we accept jesus, we are MARRIED to him and must refrain fom unholy things. Ephesians 5:25-28 – The discussion of husbands and wives. Jesus sets the example by how he loved the church and gave himself for it. Church must equal wife. His children make up the church, not an old Korean woman!

    3. NO Ahng Sahng Hung, did not proclaim he was a god while he was alive! He wrote books on his beleive that Jesus would be the second coming christ, not himself, and the mother god he claims was one of his many lovers, *this man was baptized as an Adventist?! Whome the church beleives follows the devil!

    What more can i say, This church of god is a cult who only choses to read in the bible what they feel can back up there own believes, they choose to ignore many passages in the bible that are contradicting what they choose to preach because they are liers!

    So in an age like the one we live in, why would second coming christ come in secret when lord knows this world needs some faith and order! And when the bible, holy scripture states that when Christ arrives everyone will know!! EVERYONE!

    • HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT GODS CHILDREN ARE THE BRIDE, WE ARE THE GUESTS AT THE HEAVENLY BANQUET,

      REVELATION 19: 9 = BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO ARE INVITED TO THE WEDDING SUPPER OF THE LAMB, THESE ARE THE TRUE WORDS OF GOD.

      HOW CAN WE BE THE GUESTS, AND THE BRIDE,

      REVELATION 22:19 THE SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE SAY COME AND RECIEVE THE WATER OF LIFE, HOW CAN US, THE GUESTS, BE THE BRIDE ALSO, AND GIVE THE WATER OF LIFE TO THE NATIONS, I CAN BARELY FEED MYSELF, WE ARE NOT THE BRIDE,

      REVELATION 22: 1-2 THEN THE ANGEL SHOWED JOHN THE RIVER OF LIFE POORING DOWN FLOWING FROM THE THRONE OF GOD, AND OF THE LAMB,, ” HERE THE BRIDE IS BEING CALLED GOD” CAN U SEE IT, WE ALL!!!! KNOW THE LAMB IS JESUS, BUT IT SAYS CLEARLY (AND)

      REVELATION 21:1-3 JOHN SAW THE HOLY CITY, NEW JERUSALEM, COMING DOWN, OUT OF HEAVEN, PREPARED AS A BRIDE, BEAUTIFULLY DRESSED FOR HER HUSBAND, “THE LAMB” IF WE ARE THE BRIDE THEN HOW COME JOHN, OUR BROTHER DIDNT SAY, WE:::: WERE COMING OUT OF HEAVEN, HE IS OUR BROTHER, HOW COULD HE SEE HIMSELF COMING OUT OF HEAVEN, GOD TOOK HIM IN A VISION, TO SEE WHATS COMING OUT OF HEAVEN,

      THIS IS THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS, THE END OF THE BIBLE, WE ARE ON EARTH, HOW WOULD WE BE COMING OUT OF HEAVEN, WE ARE THE GUEST AGAIN, REV 19:9,,,,,,,WE ARE THE GUEST,

      NOW, THE BRIDE IS CALLED NEW JERUSALEM ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE, THE HOLY CITY, SHE IS OUR HOLY CITY, BECAUSE SHE IS THE REALITY OF MOUNT ZION, WHERE WE ARE SAFE, LOOK AT THE ANIMALS, MOTHERS CREATE SAFE HAVENS, AND UMBRELLAS OF LOVE TO SHELTER US, HAVNT ANY OF YOU EVER RAN TO YOUR MOTHER, LIVED WITH HER, AND FELT WARM IN YOUR HEART,

      this is apostle paul speaking to the nonbeleivers of this age.
      NOW, GALATIANS, 4:16, HAVE I NOW BECOME YOUR ENEMY FOR TELLING YOU THE TRUTH.
      GALATIANS 4:BUT THE JERUSALEM THAT IS ABOVE IS FREE, AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER, BE GLAD….O’ BARREN WOMAN, YOU WHO BEARS NO CHILDREN, YOU HAVE NO LABOR PAINS, BREAK FORTH AND CRY OUT LOUD, BECAUSE MORE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE WOMAN, THAN OF HER WHO HAS A HUSBAND,
      NOW, HOW CAN SHE BE OUR MOTHER WITHOUT LABOR PAINS, HOW CAN SHE HAVE MORE CHILDREN THAN HER WHO HAS A HUSBAND,?
      BECAUSE HAGAR REPRESENTS MOUNT SINAI AND BEARS CHILDREN WHO ARE TO BE SLAVES, (SLAVES OF THE FLESH ONLY) BUT THE JERUSALEM THAT IS ABOVE IS FREE, AND SHE HAS MORE CHILDREN WITHOUT!……LABOR PAINS,
      YOU ANSWER ME NOW, WHY DO YOU THINK NEW JERUSALEM MOTHER HAS MORE CHILDREN THAN A WOMAN IN SLAVERY (HUMAN) YES!!!! EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE IS OUR SPIRITUAL MOTHER WHO HAS SO MANY CHILDREN,
      IT MAKES SENSE, THE BRIDE, COMING OUT OF HEAVEN,(TO THE EARTH) “WHERE ELSE” THEN SHES CALLED THE NEW JERUSALEM, THEN APOSTLE PAUL USES A WOMAN IN SLAVERY, ABRAHAMS SLAVE WOMAN, TO SHOW THAT THE NEW JERUSALEM IS NOT A SLAVE, SHE IS COMPARED TO SARA, WHO BORE A CHILD OF PROMISE (US) REMEMBER THE SLAVE WOMAN BORE A SLAVE CHILD, THE NEW JERUSALEM IS OUR SPIRITUAL MOTHER! AMEN!

  20. Very well then Scott. I will address all of your points above.

    You asked “what recorded prophecies has the founder of the Church of God made that have come to pass?”

    Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who has fulfilled the prophecies of second coming Jesus as recorded in the Bible.

    If you are asking what prophecies he made while on this earth, then let me ask you something. Do you know what the role of second coming Christ, the Holy Spirit is?

    You should know the answer to this question before you ask such a presumptious question.

    Why do you assume that Christ Ahnsahnghong has to have recorded prophecies that have come to pass to make him a true prophet? All the prophecies up until the last day are all recorded in the Bible for all of us to see. This attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong is not in line with the teachings of the Bible.

    You say that Jamie is not Catholic. Yes I understand this. Do you not know that the Protestant churches that broke away from the Catholic Church also keep the same traditions? Christmas, Easter, Communion, worship of idols.

    I find it fascinating to hear Protestants debate with Catholics and they both keep the same man made traditions that are not from God.

    You say it doesnt matter if people keep these man made traditions, as long as they believe in Christ, everything will be o.k.

    Really Scott? Are you sure? Have you been reading your Bible?
    Let’s take a lookie look shall we.

    Mark 7:6 — He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
    ” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are but rules taught by men.
    ‘[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”

    And how about this one.

    1 john 2:3 — We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    How about this one straight from Jesus himself.

    Matt 7:21 — “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

    Is this not clear to you?
    Let us see in the last days if God’s people will just have faith, or will their faith be connected with obedience, which is the way we show our faith.

    Revelation 12:17 — Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments AND hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelation 14:12 — This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments AND remain faithful to Jesus.

    You see, what all the false prophets out there teach, is that you only need to say you believe in Jesus and you are saved.

    They take verses in the Bible out of context and say, “see, it says you only need to believe to be saved!”

    What the apostles also taught is that faith comes through obedience to the word of God.

    For example, if Jesus says that you must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life, then you can either believe his words or not.

    In fact, he did say this in John 6:53. So if you believe in Jesus, but refuse to eat his flesh and blood to have eternal life, then do you really believe in Jesus?

    Everybody wants to make their own Jesus and worship the way they want to, rather than following the word of God. To say that we just need to have faith, shows a serious shallow understanding of the teachings of the Bible.

    I could use many more scriptures to illustrate this, but I think the point is clear. If not, let me know and I will show you more through the Scriptures that faith is obeying the word of God.

    So if you want to think it is ok to worship God according to man made traditions and at the same time forsake God’s commands such as Sabbath and Passover, then that is your choice my friend.

    Now on to the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This can get lengthy so I’ll do my best to make it short and to the point.

    First you must understand Jesus is God (Jehovah) in the flesh. They are not separate entities. What does the Bible say?

    Isaiah 9:6 — For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father
    , Prince of Peace.

    So here is a prophecy that a son will be given and he will be called God or Everlasting Father. At this time, God was known as YHWH or Jehovah. But in the future, Jehovah will be born as a son.

    This prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus. Then who is Jesus? Jehovah God in the flesh.

    Examine this…… Isaiah 44:6 — “This is what the LORD says—
    Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God.

    Now let us see what Jesus said…….Revelation 22:12 — “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

    How can the son Jesus be first before his father? Is that possible? The only way Jesus can say he is the First and the Last, is if he is Jehovah God. This is quite clear, isnt it?

    There are many other verses. God came in the flesh as a son, to teach us how to become the perfect sons of God. Who is our best example? Jesus who is God in the flesh.

    John 6:45 — It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

    As the age changed from the age of the Father, the saviors name changed from Jehovah to Jesus.

    In the old testament times, Jehovah said in Isaiah 43:11 that apart from him there is NO savior.

    But apostle Peter testified in Acts 4:11 that under no other name than Jesus can we be saved.

    So is the Bible contradicting itself, or can we pick and choose which name we want to call on? Think about this carefully.

    What is God showing us here? When Jehovah God came in the flesh, his name changed. Jesus was a new name to the people 2000 years ago.

    The name Jesus was not in the old testament. Even though Jesus is the one who fulfilled the prophecies of the coming Messiah, they still rejected him. They knew the name Jehovah as there savior as stated in Isaiah 43:11. They could not accept this new name Jesus.

    In the same way, in this age of the Holy Spirit, second coming Christ will come as the Holy Spirit. Then what is the name of the Holy Spirit, second coming Jesus?

    Revelation 3:11 — I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

    You will see that in Rev. 2 and 3, second coming Jesus is speaking but he is speaking as the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

    Why doesn’t it say, “Hear what the Son of God says to the churches”

    Because when second coming Jesus comes, he is coming as the Holy Spirit in the age of the Holy Spirit.

    The Holy Spirit’s role is to bring back the truth that has been taken away through the authority of Satan. This is all prophesied in the Bible, so it shouldn’t be too hard to understand.

    I do not know how well you know the Bible, but I could show you everything if you have questions.

    There is so much more to explain, and if you have a mind to check it out to see if it is true, I can show you more. It is up to you my friend.

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  21. Very well then Scott. I will address all of your points above.

    You asked “what recorded prophecies has the founder of the Church of God made that have come to pass?”

    Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who has fulfilled the prophecies of second coming Jesus as recorded in the Bible.

    If you are asking what prophecies he made while on this earth, then let me ask you something. Do you know what the role of second coming Christ, the Holy Spirit is?

    You should know the answer to this question before you ask such a presumptious question.

    Why do you assume that Christ Ahnsahnghong has to have recorded prophecies that have come to pass to make him a true prophet? All the prophecies up until the last day are all recorded in the Bible for all of us to see. This attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong is not in line with the teachings of the Bible.

    You say that Jamie is not Catholic. Yes I understand this. Do you not know that the Protestant churches that broke away from the Catholic Church also keep the same traditions? Christmas, Easter, Communion, worship of idols.

    I find it fascinating to hear Protestants debate with Catholics and they both keep the same man made traditions that are not from God.

    You say it doesnt matter if people keep these man made traditions, as long as they believe in Christ, everything will be o.k.

    Really Scott? Are you sure? Have you been reading your Bible?
    Let’s take a lookie look shall we.

    Mark 7:6 — He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
    ” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are but rules taught by men.
    ‘[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”

    And how about this one.

    1 john 2:3 — We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    How about this one straight from Jesus himself.

    Matt 7:21 — “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

    Is this not clear to you?
    Let us see in the last days if God’s people will just have faith, or will their faith be connected with obedience, which is the way we show our faith.

    Revelation 12:17 — Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments AND hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelation 14:12 — This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments AND remain faithful to Jesus.

    You see, what all the false prophets out there teach, is that you only need to say you believe in Jesus and you are saved.

    They take verses in the Bible out of context and say, “see, it says you only need to believe to be saved!”

    What the apostles also taught is that faith comes through obedience to the word of God.

    For example, if Jesus says that you must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life, then you can either believe his words or not.

    In fact, he did say this in John 6:53. So if you believe in Jesus, but refuse to eat his flesh and blood to have eternal life, then do you really believe in Jesus?

    Everybody wants to make their own Jesus and worship the way they want to, rather than following the word of God. To say that we just need to have faith, shows a serious shallow understanding of the teachings of the Bible.

    I could use many more scriptures to illustrate this, but I think the point is clear. If not, let me know and I will show you more through the Scriptures that faith is obeying the word of God.

    So if you want to think it is ok to worship God according to man made traditions and at the same time forsake God’s commands such as Sabbath and Passover, then that is your choice my friend.

    Now on to the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This can get lengthy so I’ll do my best to make it short and to the point.

    First you must understand Jesus is God (Jehovah) in the flesh. They are not separate entities. What does the Bible say?

    Isaiah 9:6 — For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father
    , Prince of Peace.

    So here is a prophecy that a son will be given and he will be called God or Everlasting Father. At this time, God was known as YHWH or Jehovah. But in the future, Jehovah will be born as a son.

    This prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus. Then who is Jesus? Jehovah God in the flesh.

    Examine this…… Isaiah 44:6 — “This is what the LORD says—
    Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God.

    Now let us see what Jesus said…….Revelation 22:12 — “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

    How can the son Jesus be first before his father? Is that possible? The only way Jesus can say he is the First and the Last, is if he is Jehovah God. This is quite clear, isnt it?

    There are many other verses. God came in the flesh as a son, to teach us how to become the perfect sons of God. Who is our best example? Jesus who is God in the flesh.

    John 6:45 — It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

    As the age changed from the age of the Father, the saviors name changed from Jehovah to Jesus.

    In the old testament times, Jehovah said in Isaiah 43:11 that apart from him there is NO savior.

    But apostle Peter testified in Acts 4:11 that under no other name than Jesus can we be saved.

    So is the Bible contradicting itself, or can we pick and choose which name we want to call on? Think about this carefully.

    What is God showing us here? When Jehovah God came in the flesh, his name changed. Jesus was a new name to the people 2000 years ago.

    The name Jesus was not in the old testament. Even though Jesus is the one who fulfilled the prophecies of the coming Messiah, they still rejected him. They knew the name Jehovah as there savior as stated in Isaiah 43:11. They could not accept this new name Jesus.

    In the same way, in this age of the Holy Spirit, second coming Christ will come as the Holy Spirit. Then what is the name of the Holy Spirit, second coming Jesus?

    Revelation 3:11 — I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

    You will see that in Rev. 2 and 3, second coming Jesus is speaking but he is speaking as the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

    Why doesn’t it say, “Hear what the Son of God says to the churches”

    Because when second coming Jesus comes, he is coming as the Holy Spirit in the age of the Holy Spirit.

    The Holy Spirit’s role is to bring back the truth that has been taken away through the authority of Satan. This is all prophesied in the Bible, so it shouldn’t be too hard to understand.

    I do not know how well you know the Bible, but I could show you everything if you have questions.

    There is so much more to explain, and if you have a mind to check it out to see if it is true, I can show you more. It is up to you my friend.

  22. Yes Stephy, God’s people can be said as the bride of Christ. The COG does not disagree with this. After all it is a teaching in the Bible.

    But what you fail to understand Stephy, is that the bride in the context of the Book of Revelation cannot be represented as the church or God’s people.

    First you must understand that there can be duplicate meanings for the same word.

    The Lamb in the Bible refers to Christ. Also the Bible refers to God’s people as the Lamb. It depends in which context it is used.

    It is the same with the bride.

    In Revelation 22:17 it says The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

    Who are the ones that hear the words “Come!” ? Who are the ones that should come to take the free gift of the water of life from the Spirit and the bride?

    What do you think Stephy? Obviously it is God’s people who need the water of life (eternal life).

    Then how can the bride in revelation be God’s people. It is impossible. The bride in this context can only be God.

    Only God has the authority to give eternal life. God’s people cannot give eternal life. If you think you can give eternal life, then you need to study the Bible Stephy.

    Then in Rev. 21:9, apostle John saw the bride coming down out of heaven from God and he saw the heavenly Jerusalem.

    Apostle Paul testified about this same Jerusalem from above in the book of Galatians.

    Gal 4:26 — But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

    Gal 4:31 — Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

    Study what Paul is testifying to very carefully. There is a distinction between mother and children.

    Paul testified that the heavenly Jerusalem (bride) is our mother.
    At the same time he identified God’s people as children.

    Do you see the dilemma here if you insist that the bride in revelation is God’s people?

    It simply cannot be. There is no way you can justify that the bride in revelation is God’s people.

    You believe we have God the Father because the Bible says so, correct?

    Then the Bible says that the Jerusalem that came down from heaven is our mother. So the Bible testifies that in heaven we have a spiritual father and mother and we are God’s children.

    But yet you refuse to accept or understand this simple Biblical teaching.

    Yes, God’s people or the church can represent the bride of Christ. We do not deny this biblical teaching.

    If you break your fixed concepts and examine what the Bible says, you will see the truth.

    Just as the physical home is composed of a father, mother, brothers and sisters; in the same way, our home in heaven has a father, mother and we are God’s children.

    Listen to what the Bible says Stephy.

    Romans 1:20 — For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    God made all life, correct? Then what was God’s will in having all life come through father and mother?

    The Bible says that by God’s will all things were created. By looking at God’s creation, we can understand God’s invisible qualities.

    Just as father and mother give physical life, our spiritual father and mother give us spiritual life.

    This is not a hard concept to understand. What is your objection to this?

    The problem is that you have a problem that God the mother came down in the flesh as a Korean woman. You look at the physical things than rather looking at the prophecies in the Bible.

    Why do you believe that some 30 year old carpenter from Israel is the first coming of Christ? Do you just have blind faith, or do you believe he is the one that has fulfilled all the prophecies of his first coming?

    I can tell you that I believe in Jesus because he fulfilled all the prophecies. In the same way, second coming Christ has come fulfilling all the prophecies in the Bible. Yet you reject Christ Ahnsahnghong. It is because you do not really believe in the Bible.

    God’s coming in the flesh 2000 years ago, exposed the disbelief of those who claimed to believe in God (ex. pharisees).

    When the very one the claimed to believe in came as prophesied, they crucified him. In the same way, everybody claims they believe in Jesus, but know that he has come in accordance with all the prophecies, they reject him. God has again exposed the disbelief of those who claim to believe.

    You ignorant people wait for some miracle in the sky. Do you not know that the Jews 2000 years ago could not accept Jesus because they thought the appearance of their Messiah would be a glorious and majestic event.

    The Bible testfies that Elijah ascended to heaven in a whirlwind in his chariot. The Jews surely that Elijah would come in such a glorious event before the coming of their Messiah.

    But when Elijah came (John the Baptist), he came secretly in the flesh.

    The Bible testifies that in the last days, it is the false christs and false prophets that will be performing miracles and great signs to decieve even the elect.

    So if you are looking for miracles as your sign, then I feel sorry for you.

    If you want to know how to recognize second coming Christ, then you better study what the Bible says.

    If all we have to do is wait for some in the miracle in the sky to see second coming Christ, then why are there countless different prophecies of second coming Christ? Think about this seriously Stephy.

    There are God’s people and Satan’s children on this earth. God’s people hear God’s voice.

    In Revelation 2, it says that second coming Jesus will bring the hidden manna. Then do you know what the hidden manna is?

    Do you care what it is? Do you think it matters what it is? Are Jesus’ words in vain?

  23. Ryan,

    —If you are asking what prophecies he made while on this earth, then let me ask you something. Do you know what the role of second coming Christ, the Holy Spirit is?—

    Let’s say I DON’T KNOW what the second coming’s role is. Do enlighten me. Don’t leave so many hanging, begging questions.

    —Mark 7:6 — He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
    ” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are but rules taught by men.
    ‘[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”—

    Of course I am familiar with these verses. But on what objective basis do you argue that Protestant teachings are ‘rules taught by men’, whereas Ahnsahnghong’s teachings are not? What criteria do you attach to Protestant teachings as ‘rules taught by men’ that do not equally apply to Ahnsahnghong’s teachings?

    —1 john 2:3 — We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.—

    Again, who is to say that I am disobedient and a liar, but you are not? On what criteria do you draw this conclusion? Because you say so?

    —Matt 7:21 — “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

    Is this not clear to you?—

    It is very clear to me. But who, pray tell, is really doing God’s will? Again, what criteria are you using to judge between you and me?

    So far, all the above amount to nothing more than a smear campaign. You call me names, but give no evidence to show why I fit the definition of hypocrite, human-teachings follower, or liar. You might as well throw in alien invader, cyborg dictator, hermaphrodite and child molester – since you’re not attempting to show that I am any of those things either. You have NO PROOF OR ARGUMENT TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.

    — Revelation 12:17 — Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments AND hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Hey, your comment is full of making war against me! And I believe I am obeying God’s commandments and holding to the testimony of Jesus. Are you, therefore, the dragon?

    Do you see the problem with your tactic of insulting without providing andy basis? It can easily be turned back on yourself because you offer NO CRITERIA TO SHOW YOUR BELIEFS ARE CORRECT AND MINE ARE NOT.

    —You see, what all the false prophets out there teach, is that you only need to say you believe in Jesus and you are saved.

    They take verses in the Bible out of context and say, “see, it says you only need to believe to be saved!” —

    Who is taking verses out of context here? You have a demonstrated lack of understanding of modern mainstream Christianity. And unlike your church, mainstream Christianity’s doctrines are all openly displayed and explained for easy referencing and understanding.

    So anyway… The antinomianists believed that life following Jesus is 100% free from moral restrictions. Those who believe such are condemned as heretics by the mainstream church. Therefore, any earnest search would reveal that NO MAINSTREAM CHRISTIAN CHURCH advocates a life of sin, sex and ignoring God’s commands to live a holy life. Do more research, don’t just swallow what your leaders recite to you.

    —For example, if Jesus says that you must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life, then you can either believe his words or not.

    In fact, he did say this in John 6:53. So if you believe in Jesus, but refuse to eat his flesh and blood to have eternal life, then do you really believe in Jesus?—

    Wait, wait… Didn’t you, in an earlier comment, CONDEMN Catholics for practising the rite of the Eucharist? They believe this verse literallly means flesh and blood. When did you change stance 180 degrees?

    On all your explanations about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit… The mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one… Yet are also three. Thus they are referred to almost interchangeably… But not quite.

    For doesn’t Jesus Himself say, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do”? (Luke 23:34) And again and again, Jesus talks to His Father… Yet is not mumbling to HIMSELF. It is clear in the Gospels that Jesus considered the Father to be separate from the Son. The Son has the essence of the Father so that ‘Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father’, but that does not mean that the Father IS the Son… Merely that they have the same essence, the same will, the same goals, the same thinking.

    The Trinity explains much of the confusion surrounding Father = Son = Spirit, while allowing the Son to talk to the Father without being schizophrenic.

    —The name Jesus was not in the old testament—

    Actually, it is. The name Jesus means ‘YHWH is salvation’, which in Hebrew can be rendered Yeshu or Yeshua. Yeshu transliterates to Iesus in Greek and Jesus in English and Yesus in other languages. Yeshua translated to English is Joshua.

    You could try reading more Bible commentarys. Oops, you can’t – the collective knowledge of 2000 years of mainstream Christian researchers and theologians is corrupted and evil to you, right? And your church’s few decades of teachings overrules the rest of the body of Christ the world over right?

    —In Revelation 22:17 it says The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

    Who are the ones that hear the words “Come!” ? Who are the ones that should come to take the free gift of the water of life from the Spirit and the bride?

    What do you think Stephy? Obviously it is God’s people who need the water of life (eternal life).

    Then how can the bride in revelation be God’s people. It is impossible. The bride in this context can only be God.—

    Your exgesis is very flawed. In the verse you quote, not only do the Spirit and the Bride say ‘Come!’, but so do the listeners! So the life-thirsty listeners simply repeat the invitation to other thirsty people!

    Yes it is God who gives the water of life, but the verse itself says that he who hears will repeat the invitation. So we believers who are the bride join with the Spirit in calling ‘Come!’ to the unbelievers, and those who choose to hear our message then join us and call out ‘Come!’ to their family and friends. Or is it just God hearing Himself now?

    How does this one single, solitary verse make the bride = God when many other verses place the bride as human believers – like Revelation 19:7-9, “Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)” The saints wear their righteous acts like fine linen.

    Or John 3:26-29, regarding John the Baptist:
    “They came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—well, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him.”

    To this John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ[j] but am sent ahead of him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete.”

    In context, he was saying that followers and believers (the bride) belong to Jesus (the bridegroom), which makes the friend (John the Baptist) happy.

    —Paul testified that the heavenly Jerusalem (bride) is our mother.
    At the same time he identified God’s people as children.

    Do you see the dilemma here if you insist that the bride in revelation is God’s people?—

    No, I don’t see the dilemma. YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN THE DILEMMA.

    Your tactic seems to be to ask a question – “Do you see why, do you know what?” and never explain what it is we are supposed to see or know. This lends a false air of authority to your words, without giving any substantial basis for the correctness of your interpretation. It makes it seem your doctrine has a logical, rational interpretation when it might not at all. EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN.

    —Yes, God’s people or the church can represent the bride of Christ. We do not deny this biblical teaching.—

    Well, I go further to say that the teaching that the bride is God is not applicable anytime at all – it ALWAYS stands for the believers.

    —Then the Bible says that the Jerusalem that came down from heaven is our mother. So the Bible testifies that in heaven we have a spiritual father and mother and we are God’s children.

    But yet you refuse to accept or understand this simple Biblical teaching. —

    That’s because the teaching is not simple, but instead very confusing, relying on a convoluted interpretation of a single verse, and out of synch with the rest of the Bible.

    The term “New Jerusalem” occurs twice in the New Testament. But the “new” in the “New Jerusalem” comes from the Greek word “kainos”, which has a meaning different from “neos”, the other Greek word usually translated into English as “new”.

    “Neos” refers to something newly created, whereas “kainos” means something old that has been refreshed and cleansed. So it doesn’t imply that a new Jerusalem will be set up (in Korea or wherever) and manifested as a literal woman, but rather that the old Jerusalem will be cleansed and renewed. And old Jerusalem already exists as a physical city.

    Or do you only read the Korean version of the Bible? Is it even the same Bible that the rest of the world uses, as backed up by 14000 historical manuscript copies in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek?

    —God made all life, correct? Then what was God’s will in having all life come through father and mother?

    The Bible says that by God’s will all things were created. By looking at God’s creation, we can understand God’s invisible qualities.

    Just as father and mother give physical life, our spiritual father and mother give us spiritual life.

    This is not a hard concept to understand. What is your objection to this?—

    Bacteria reproduce by asexual division. Most don’t have even have a sex. Viruses reproduce by hijacking and killing other cells. So God in heaven does these things as well? Since they are a ‘reflection’ of heavenly things.

    The angels in heaven don’t have marriage. God created them. So does this example of Gods’ creation show that God is not prone to marriage, which is the opposite of what you say about a Heavenly Father and Mother?

    Besides, why do you base a whole doctrine of a Heavenly Mother on one very disputed verse, when elsewhere in the ENTIRE BIBLE God is never mentioned as a Mother, or daughter, or bride, or she, or her… Only as a Father, Son, He, Him, His? Never female, ALWAYS male. Does one single verse overturn two Testaments of deliberate masculine wording?

    —If you break your fixed concepts and examine what the Bible says, you will see the truth.—

    If you break the fixed concepts that your church has indoctrined into you, you will see the truth.

    —When the very one the claimed to believe in came as prophesied, they crucified him. In the same way, everybody claims they believe in Jesus, but know that he has come in accordance with all the prophecies, they reject him. God has again exposed the disbelief of those who claim to believe.

    You ignorant people wait for some miracle in the sky. Do you not know that the Jews 2000 years ago could not accept Jesus because they thought the appearance of their Messiah would be a glorious and majestic event.—

    Once again, I ask you: What criteria is there to show that Ahnsahnghong was really the Christ, and not Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple, David Koresh of the Branch Davidians, Marshall Applewhite of Heaven’s Gate, José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia, Ayah Pin of Negara Langit and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church?

    They all claimed to be Christ. They used the same arguments against asking for signs and unbeliving and being called a cult by ‘Pharisees’ as you. What makes them wrong and you right?

    –Yet you reject Christ Ahnsahnghong. It is because you do not really believe in the Bible.—

    One final note regarding the Christness of Ahnsahnghong… Jesus often referred to Himself as the Christ, the Messiah. He was very sure of His own divine identity.

    But according to the introduction at http://www.ahnsahnghong.info/ ‘Who do the WMS Church of God worship?’>, Ahnsahnghong NEVER IN HIS WHOLE LIFE AND ALL HIS WRITINGS THOUGHT OF HIMSELF AS CHRIST.

    It was all added in only AFTER his death by his ex-lover Chung Gil Cha – the woman who calls herself the ‘Holy Mother Jerusalem’ and God.

    Do YOU care to verify or disprove that piece of information? Is it true or not true that Ahnsahnghong’s own writings never mentioned that he believed himself to be the second coming of Christ?

  24. —The Bible testifies that in the last days, it is the false christs and false prophets that will be performing miracles and great signs to decieve even the elect.

    So if you are looking for miracles as your sign, then I feel sorry for you. —

    Even though no one asked for signs and wonders, yet Jesus performed miracles to prove His ordination by God.

    When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign, what did He reply?

    “He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” – Matthew 12:39-40

    So even when asked for a sign, Jesus gave the sign of Jonah.

    When Paul and Barnabas preached the good news of Jesus Christ in the Greek cities, God caused miracles to happen ‘to confirm the message of His grace.’

    “So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders.” – Acts 14:3

    It is true, however, that the false prophets of the evil one will also perform miraculous feats.

    So this much is very clear: Prophets who are sent with a new message from a supernatural being can perform miraculous signs and wonders.

    And if they can’t, they’re probably just ORDINARY PEOPLE.

    So what amazing things set Ahnsahnghong and Chung Gil Cha apart from ordinary, everyday people? If there is nothing special about them, then anyone can be a prophet too!

    Hey, I can just claim to be the second coming of Christ and say that all those who claimed to be before me are false Christs. After all, if I don’t need anything special or out of the ordinary to set me apart from fakes, liars, tricksters, charlatans, crazy people or the deluded, who is to say that I am NOT the Christ?

    By what criteria is Ahnsahnghong judged to be the true second coming of Christ, whereas Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple, David Koresh of the Branch Davidians, Marshall Applewhite of Heaven’s Gate, José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia, Ayah Pin of Negara Langit and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church, and MYSELF are not?

  25. Thank you Scott for showing that Ryan is wrong and cannot back up his points, the reason being is that these are the only things he is probably taught.

    RYAN: Can you please prove my other points wrong?
    The bible clearly explains in Revelations how Jesus Christ will return also in:

    Acts 1:11 says: “This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”>>>>>> the bible also says that beleivers and non beleivers will witness the second coming, and that christ will come when all nations gather against Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:3 and 14:2-3)

    Yes, you chose to ignore these, because your second coming Christ did not fulfill these prophesies, he didn’t even claim to be the second coming Christ, he himself called Jesus the second coming Christ, maybe you should read some of your Christ’s books, he was a bible scholar.

    So i am not looking to the sky asking for a miracle, i already believe in Christ as my lord and savior, but if the bible gives us specific prophesies to await, then those are the ones I believe.

    Correct me if im wrong (don’t quote me on this), the COG uses the Order of Melchizedek to prove the second coming Christ, but wasn’t Melchizedek in the old testament a king to set up the church for Jesus Christ’s coming?(first coming), not the second coming?

    • I WILL CORRECT YOUR POINTS. YOU ARE WITNESSING 2ND COMING CHRIST THRU OUR PREACHING, AND YOU ARE REJECTING THE LORD, THEY SAID JESUS WAS COMING ON THE CLOUDS, BUT DID HE? NO!! HE CAME IN THE FLESH, THEY SAID 2ND COMING IS COMING ON A CLOUD DID HE? NO!! HE CAME IN THE FLESH, CLOUDS MEAN FLRESH IN THE BIBLE, STUDY MY FRIEND, A FALSE PROPHET IS LIKE A CLOUD WITHOUT WATER, PEOPLE ARE REFERRED TO AS CLOUDS IN THE BIBLE, SINCE WHEN DO YOU SEE CHARRIOTS AND AN APPEARANCE COMING IN THE SKY, YOU NEED TO READ, SINCE THE BEGINNIG OF THE BIBLE, MEN COULD NEVER SEE GOD, OR THEY WOULD DIE, EVEN GOD CAME TO MOSES AS A BURNING BUSH, IF GOD COMES IN THE SKY, WE WILL ALL DIE, WE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, WE ARE SINNERS!! GOD IS PURE, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN SEE GOD IS IN THE FLESH,,,,,, CLOUDS!! THINK ABOUT IT, GOD IS THE LIGHT, BRIGHTER THAN THE SUN, WE WILL ALSO BE BLINDED, THATS WHY GOD MADE THE CLOUDS THE WAY THAT THEY ARE, LISTEN…… THE CLOUDS BLOCK THE SUNLIGHT AND GIVE US SHADE, JUST LIKE THE CLOUDS, GODS FLESH, BLOCK HIS LIGHT, HIS GLORY IS UNSEEN, A CLOUD BLOCKS THE SUN, THE FLESH BLOCKS GODS LIGHT, YOU SEE GOD CREATED THIS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY CLOUDS MEAN FLESH IN THE BIBLE,,,,,, STUDY STEPHY

  26. Thanks for your questions Scott. I will answer them.

    -What is the second coming’s role?

    John 14:23 — Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching……24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching…..25″All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    John 15:26 — “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

    John16:5 — “Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
    12″I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth.

    Matthew 12:32 — Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

    Hebrews 9:28 — so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

    The only way to receive salvation (eternal life) is through the flesh and blood of Christ which is given to us through the Passover Bread and Wine.

    This is in the Bible is it not?

    This Christian Passover was kept by the early Christians, but then was abolished by the Catholic Church in 325 A.D. Then Christ must come to bring back the way to eternal life.

    It is even prophesied in the old testament.
    Isaiah 25:6 – On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare
    a feast of rich food for all peoples,
    a banquet of aged wine
    the best of meats and the finest of wines.
    7 On this mountain he will destroy
    the shroud that enfolds all peoples,
    the sheet that covers all nations;
    8 he will swallow up death forever.
    The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears
    from all faces;
    he will remove the disgrace of his people
    from all the earth.
    The LORD has spoken.
    9 In that day they will say,
    “Surely this is our God;
    we trusted in him, and he saved us.
    This is the LORD, we trusted in him;
    let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”

    Hebrews 9:28 and Isaiah 25:9 are mated verses.

    In Isaiah 25:6-9, what is this feast with “aged” wine that has the ability to destroy death forever?

    It can only be the Passover. It is the only feast in the Bible celebrated with wine that has the power to destroy death (eternal life).

    It is aged, because it has not been celebrated for hundreds of years. But when it is brought back by God in the last days, God’s people will say, “surely this is our God”.

    What do you think of these words in the Bible I’m showing you? It is self explainatory.

    -You ask on what objective basis do I argue that Protestant teachings are ‘rules taught by men’ whereas Ahnsahnghong’s teachings are not.

    Are you kidding me Scott?

    Must I illustrate once again? Very well then.
    Is Christmas the birthday of Jesus? No it is not, it was celebrated as the birth of the sun god by pagans before Christianity was diluted by paganism. If you do not know this, then do the research.

    Christmas = man made tradition
    Passover = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)

    Was easter celebrated by the early Christians? No it was not. Easter has pagan roots and is a celebration of the fertility godess Estre. This is where we find the origin of easter eggs and such. This is a pagan, man-made tradition that is celebrated in the name of Christ.

    What SHOULD be kept, is the Biblical resurrection day which falls on the first sunday after the first day of the feast of unleavened bread according to the sacred calendar. Biblically known as the Day of firstfruits.

    Easter falls on the Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. This calculation is based not on the Bible, but by man.

    Easter = man-made tradition
    Resurrection Day = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)

    Cross reverence is idolatry according to the Bible. Early Christians did not teach the erecting or carrying of crosses as signs of Christianity. Showing reverence to any idol made with the hands is detestable to God almighty. The idolatry of the cross also has pagan origins. Research this yourself.

    Cross reverence = man-made tradition.
    Cross reverence is forbidden = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)

    Jesus and the early Christians kept the Sabbath day. Not according to the law of Moses, but the Law of Christ. Sabbath is mentioned over 6000 times in the Bible. It is a weekly memorial of God’s creation. It is the day we are to worship God in spirit and in truth as taught by Jesus Christ. The enforcement of Sunday worship appeared in the 4th century by the Catholic Church. Pagan Rome worshipped the sun god before the integration with Christianity.

    Weekly Sunday worship = man-made tradition
    Keep the Sabbath holy = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)

    Scott, when I used the verses 1 John 2:23 and Matt 7:21, I was not trying to use that as a personal attack on you.

    I apologize that you took it that way.
    I want people to see what the Bible says and they can make up their own mind. I want people to look at the church they go to and ask themselves if their church follows man made traditions or God’s commands.

    Once they honestly answer those questions, they can then see why those verses are powerful.

    Only God will judge Scott, I am just exposing those who are hypocrites. This is the mission of the last saints that are to appear in these last days. False prophets are exposed by using the word of God.

    If you are following God’s commands then you do not need to be defensive.

    You say that I offer no criteria to show my beliefs are correct and yours are not.

    I cannot beleive what I am reading Scott. It is so clear, yet you cannot see. HELLO SCOTT, we keep the teachings of the Bible! in other words the WORD OF GOD!

    Keeping Passover of the New Covenant is the word of God. Do you keep Passover Scott? No you say?

    Then you are not keeping the commands of God. What does that make you ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?

    I do not need to make accusations. Let actions, let the word of God speak for themselves.

    Here, let me make it crystal clear to you Scott.
    Those who follow teachings of Christ = followers of Christ
    Those who do not follow the teachings of Christ = followers of man made traditions.

    And yes Scott, I CONDEMN Catholics for keeping the Eucharist.
    Did Jesus say in Luke 22 that he eagerly desired to eat this Eucharist or did he say I eagerly desire to eat this PASSOVER?

    Eating Passover bread (flesh) and Passover wine (blood) falls on the 14th day of the 1st month according to the sacred calendar.

    The Eucharist is not the Passover.

    Therefore the Eucharist is not the equivalent to Passover.
    So keeping Eucharist is not eating Jesus’ flesh and blood. It is just eating bread and wine.

    Only on the night of the Passover did he appoint the bread and wine as his flesh and blood. Eucharist is not Passover my friend.

    -You still insist that Jesus and Jehovah are separate entities.

    Absolutely amazing. I showed you verses that prove that Jesus and Jehovah are one entity, not two.

    But you use a typical Jehovah witness argument claiming that if Jesus and Jehovah were the same, then Jesus must be crazy.

    Jehovah God came to this earth in the flesh as the son of God. He was the perfect example for us to become the sons of God.
    Did Jesus need to pray? be baptized? eat the passover for eternal life? keep Sabbath?

    Of course not, he is God. He did these things to set the examples for us.

    Apostle Paul said to follow his example as he follows the example of Christ.

    There many many prophecies in the old testament of God coming in the flesh, yet you throw these out the window. You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear.

    2 Timothy 4:3 – “There will be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine; but according to their own lusts will heap to themselves teachers itching in hearing, tickling their ears; and shall turn away their hearing indeed from the truth, but they shall be converted unto fables.”

    When you understand first that it was prophesied that God almighty would come to the earth as a son, only then can you begin to understand why Jesus spoke the way he did.

    In Mark, Jesus went up to a fig tree that he knew was not in season to look for figs on it. When he did not find any, he spoke to the tree and cursed it.

    Is Jesus crazy for doing such a thing?

    He did this for a reason and it was to show the meaning of the parable of the fig tree that he spoke of to his disciples.
    Yes, Jesus spoke to God the Father as the Son of God even though Jesus IS the Father. This does not make him crazy.

    And I’m sorry Scott, but YHWH and YESHUA are two different words.
    Jesus’ name (Yeshua) was not in the old testament, nice try though.

    And about Rev. 22. You want to talk about eisegesis huh?
    2000 years ago, it was Jesus who said during the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles, that he had the water of life (eternal life) and whoever came to him, streams of living water would flow within him.

    It is because only Jesus (God in the flesh) has the authority to give the water of life.

    Now it is prophesied that in the last days, it is the Spirit AND the bride who is giving the water of life.

    Nowhere in Rev. 22:17 did it say that the bride was God’s people. You want to talk about eisegesis.

    Those who hear the Spirit and the bride are us who want to be saved. In this context, the bride is not us. Read the verse again Scott.

    It is eisegesis to say that this bride in Revelation is God’s people.
    Mark 2:19 — And Jesus said to them, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while the bridegroom is still with them?..”

    The guests here are referred to as the disciples (God’s people).
    Who are the ones that are invited to a wedding, Scott? It is the guests that are invited.

    Rev. 19:9 – And he said to me, write: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding of the Lamb….

    Those who are invited to the wedding (the guests) are God’s people. This is quite clear. Don’t sit there and try to claim that this is eisegesis.

    How can God’s people be both the guests and the bride? That makes no sense at all.

    The Bible testifies that the bride (Jerusalem from above) is our mother.
    This is straight from the Bible my friend. If you want to argue with the Bible, then go right on ahead.

    So if the bride in revelation (heavenly Jerusalem) is God’s people like YOU claim, then why did Paul say that she is our mother??

    Then he went on to say that we (God’s people) are children. So do you think that God’s people can be referred to as children AND as mother?

    How do you answer this Scott? I would like to hear it.
    You wanted an explanation of the “dilemma”, so here you have it.

    Like I said before, it is true that God’s people can be referred to those that are married to Christ. This concept is even shown through Adam (Christ) and Eve (God’s people).

    But you fail to understand that the bride has two different meanings depending in the context in which it is used. Just as with the term “lamb”.

    In my next post, I will prove to you through the Bible, without a doubt, that Jerusalem mother is God.

    In regards to your repetitious argument that Christ Ahnsahnghong never said he was the Christ, that argument is so weak.

    Jesus Christ also used the scriptures to prove he was the Christ. (Luke 24:45)
    In the same way, Christ Ahnsahnghong used the scriptures to prove he was second coming Christ.

    Let me ask you then Scott. If he said, ” I, Ahnsahnghong, am the second coming Christ”, you would then believe?

    How can you recognize second coming Christ Scott? By hearing someone say “I am second coming Christ”, or by fulfillment of prophecy?

    The answer is obvious. You do not even know everything when it comes to what Christ Ahnsahnghong taught, so you speak out of ignorance.

    In his Books of Truth that he wrote, the preface said that what we were about to read was a last warning from God.
    Meaning the message of salvation, the truth, that he has brought is brought from God, (Ahnsahnghong).

    You like to look at everything but the prophecies in the Bible. It is because your attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong cannot be done through the Bible.

    And Stephy, I understand what you are saying about acts 1:11.

    I am not ignoring this, but I thought I addressed this already.

    Jesus Christ will return in the flesh just as he went up to heaven. You and general Christians interpret this as meaning, Jesus will come floating out of the sky on a cloud.

    Remember when prophet Elijah was taken up to heaven in the flesh in a whirlwind? The jews know that Elijah will return before the coming of their Messiah. They are still waiting for Elijah to come with majestic glory from the sky, since that is the way he went up to heaven.

    In reality, Elijah came in the flesh just as he went up. He came as John the Baptist. John was born as a baby, he did not come floating out of the sky.

    The bible says that everything written in the past was to teach us. Why can’t you accept the fact that Christ will appear again in the flesh?

    You take verses in Matt 24 literally, knowing full well that Jesus spoke in parables. The cloud spiritually represents the flesh.

    Anyways, which continent do you think second coming Christ will appear over? If it is over U.S.A. then will the Christians in China see him?

    Don’t make the same mistake as the Jews did 2000 years ago my friends.

    I will write more about melchizedek and the reality of Jerusalem in the last days.

    Please think about what is being said here instead of reacting so defensively. Im sorry that I get a little frustrated, It is just that I’m showing you that we keep the commands in the Bible, and I get persecuted for it. I know how the apostles felt 2000 years ago.

    God Bless You

  27. —The only way to receive salvation (eternal life) is through the flesh and blood of Christ which is given to us through the Passover Bread and Wine.—

    Then what about these verses, which say:

    “But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved. (Ephesians 2:4-5)

    “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

    “Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” (Acts 15:10-11)

    “But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life — not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. (2 Timothy 1:8-10)

    How many verses do we see where it says that it is God’s freely given grace – NOT anything we can do – that saves us?

    Maybe you can say that we must be obedient to God to have salvation. But by no means does that mean the Passover itself GIVES salvation! Only God gives salvation. Lifting up a ritual to the status of God is idolatry.

    —This Christian Passover was kept by the early Christians, but then was abolished by the Catholic Church in 325 A.D. Then Christ must come to bring back the way to eternal life. —

    Actually, promoting an eating/drinking ritual as the means of salvation that is exactly what the Roman Catholics do – they have the Sacrament of the Eucharist, which is necessary for salvation.

    But wait… Why do we mainstream churches call it Holy Communion, not Passover? Could it be because WE ARE NOT JEWS?

    An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the LORD’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of it.” (Exodus 12:48-49)

    Are you a Jew? Are you even circumcised? Even if you are circumsized, does that make you an Israelite who follows all the Mosaic laws? If not, how can you presume to partake of the Passover?

    What we should celebrate is not the Passover… But rather, practice the Last Supper the way Jesus told us to:

    And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
    (Luke 22:19-20)

    Does Passover or eating bread or dirnking wine save us? Is it the method to obtain God’s forgiveness?

    NO! It is done in remembrance of Jesus’ sacrifice – the act which REALLY brings salvation!

    —Are you kidding me Scott?

    Must I illustrate once again? Very well then.
    Is Christmas the birthday of Jesus? No it is not, it was celebrated as the birth of the sun god by pagans before Christianity was diluted by paganism. If you do not know this, then do the research.—

    Are YOU kidding me? Or just being intentionally stubborn and misleading on what Protestants rellay believe?

    You do not answer my original questions at all, merely delve into yet another repetition of your straw-man accusations.

    You please tell me which Christian denomination in the world teaches that Christmas and Easter ARE NECESSARY FOR SALVATION./b> Me and my family did not even celebrate these holidays for decades, and guess what? WE ARE STILL SAVED. Rituals and celebrations have NO EFFECT on that.

    Your continued attempts to win an argument by pinning idolizing a pagan tradition mainstream Christians to is a dishonest tactic.

    Here, read the following. It is a summary of what mainstream Protestant Christians REALLY believe. Please don’t come and spout false accusations due to your poor understanding (or is it your church’s teaching?).

    http://www.ccci.org/statement_of_faith.html
    8. The salvation of man is wholly a work of God’s free grace and is not the work, in whole or in part, of human works or goodness or religious ceremony. God imputes His righteousness to those who put their faith in Christ alone for their salvation, and thereby justified them in His sight.

    And who is the one who chose the cross as the symbol of the faith? Man, or God?

    How many times does the Bible mention the cross? In 1st Corinthians 1:18 the Bible describes the cross as the GREAT POWER OF GOD. In Colossians 2:15, the Bible describes the cross as the GLORY OF GOD. In 1st Corinthians 1:18 the Bible describes the cross as the WISDOM OF GOD.

    Was it man who ordered the Israelites to march into the Promised Land in the shape of a cross, or was it God? Tell me how the Catholics or Protestants managed to go back in time and order the Israelite army to make a pagan symbol.

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/a-cross-to-the-promised-land/

    —I want people to see what the Bible says and they can make up their own mind. I want people to look at the church they go to and ask themselves if their church follows man made traditions or God’s commands.—

    So do I, Ryan, so do I. I wish the same of you. There are millions of books and websites explaining why mainstream churches believe this or that, or disbelieve that or this. Many are very well written and make perfect sense, while relying solely on the Bible for proof.

    —Absolutely amazing. I showed you verses that prove that Jesus and Jehovah are one entity, not two.—

    That is so true! They are one entity. But they are also three (including the Holy Spirit) entities! I will repeat my very straightforward argument: Jesus calls on the Father, yet refers to Himself as the Son.

    Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)

    Jesus plainly calls God His Father. So how can Jesus be God, yet call on His Father? The mainstream explanation for this is simple.

    The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct entities with distinct personalities… Yet they are one. That is the doctrine of the Trinity… 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. Yeah, it’s pretty hard to grasp… But I make no apologies for it.

    —2 Timothy 4:3 – “There will be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine; but according to their own lusts will heap to themselves teachers itching in hearing, tickling their ears; and shall turn away their hearing indeed from the truth, but they shall be converted unto fables.”—

    Amazingly, we mainstreamers use the same verse applied to your church! So who is right and who is misguided? Who follows God’s teaching and who follow’s man’s?

    Only an objective study of Scripture will decide fairly, and I am confident that your exegesis of the Bible does not stand up to scrutiny. Sorry to say.

    —And I’m sorry Scott, but YHWH and YESHUA are two different words.
    Jesus’ name (Yeshua) was not in the old testament, nice try though.—

    You misread. I stated (and you can check above) that Yeshua means ‘YHWH is salvation’. Joshua’s name is in the Old Testament, and has the same meaning of ‘YHWH is salvation’. So although the exact spelling may not be there, the name’s meaning is there.

    —You like to look at everything but the prophecies in the Bible. It is because your attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong cannot be done through the Bible.—

    How so? I believe that many prophecies of the Bible DISCREDIT Ahnsahnghong, such as the following many about the Second Coming of Christ:

    “After he (Jesus) said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”(Acts 1:9-11)

    JESUS WILL RETURN FROM ABOVE. He did not go into Heaven as a baby. Your citing of Elijah is meaningless – he were born as humans, but he left in amazing display! Same for Jesus, and the angels clearly said that He would return in an amazing display.

    But even if not, the whole world will see Jesus’ return with their own eyes:

    “Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” (Matthew 24:29-31)

    JESUS WILL RETURN AFTER TRIBULATION AND SCARY SIGNS IN THE SKIES.

    EVERYONE WILL SEE HIM CLEARLY.

    WE WILL ALL BE GATHERED TO HIM.

    I would like to ask: The Mormons and Reverend Moon and many others also claimed the Second Coming already happened.

    Please try to answer my question the best you can: What makes your claim that Ahnsahnghong is the second coming superior and more true than their claim? They also claim that it all happened in secret… How can we disprove them?

    —Anyways, which continent do you think second coming Christ will appear over? If it is over U.S.A. then will the Christians in China see him?—

    Oh, is that why? Do you forget that Jesus, being God, can appear to all men at once? We can all pray to him simultaneously what. And of course, there’s that little thing called television… But I feel that cheapens His power and connection to men.

    —Please think about what is being said here instead of reacting so defensively. Im sorry that I get a little frustrated, It is just that I’m showing you that we keep the commands in the Bible, and I get persecuted for it. I know how the apostles felt 2000 years ago.—

    I apologize too if I sound very critical or defensive. It’s just that, I firmly believe that yoru church’s techings are not sound. The arguments you use have been used by many misguided cults before – yes, even the Jehovah’s Witnesses!

    And you have a poor understanding of what mainstream Protestants REALLY BELIEVE. Don’t just adopt what your elders tell you – they are human too, might they not be mistaken? Search online for yourself what churches say their statement of faith really is.

    I want to ask again: Is it true that Ahnsahnghong NEVER IN HIS WHOLE LIFE AND ALL HIS WRITINGS THOUGHT OF HIMSELF AS CHRIST? That it was all added in only AFTER his death by his ex-lover Chung Gil Cha – the woman who calls herself the ‘Holy Mother Jerusalem’ and God?

    You have access to Ahnsahnghong’s writings and books, right? Read through them and tell me what you find. Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Simple question. I’ll repeat it five times so I can hopefully get an answer:

    Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
    Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
    Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
    Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
    Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?

    I await your reply.

    In the end, what is the truly important thing? That we obey God to the best of our conscience correct? I am confident that if we do so, He will lead us to the truth (whether it is my belief or yours).

    I shall end with this comment with a passage regarding both Passover and keeping the Sabbath:

    When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

    Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:13-17)

    God bless you too. I really hope that you will think over why so many people are not convinced of your church’s interpretation. God’s will.

  28. Hello everyone. I’ve been trying to read through the posts but the words are so small, hurts a bit.

    Anyway Ryan, I have a few questions for you. Hopefully you can shed some light.

    1. Was Ahnsahnghong perfect, like Jesus?

    2. Who saw Ahnsahnghong acsend?

    3. If Buddhism is a false religion, how is it that God allowed a Christ to be born from them?

    4. Are Ahnsahnghong’s parents burning in hell since they were Buddhist? When did God favor anyone in the bible who didn’t worship him?

    “ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE”, what did God do to those who did not worship him and chose to worship another “god”?

    I’m just trying to find the connection between the two because it seem as though God contradicted himself. It’s just weird how God despised Idol worshippers so much in the bible that he slaughterd thousands of them, only to turn around and allow perfection to come from imperfection.

    But, if Ahnsahnghong wasn’t perfect, then that would explain it all.

    Thanks,

    – James

  29. My kids have been in this cult for about 2 years in NJ. They have lied to me and deceived me, they’ve borrowed money and not bothered to repay it. They have become strangers to us as we will not allow them to preach to us. They refuse to talk to us because I speak out against their church. Stay the hell away from them! You will lose your money, your freedom, your individuality and your family.

  30. Also Scott,

    Read Ryan’s words very carefully. Members of the COG like to set traps. They use the words of Jesus and ask why you do not follow his words. They also try to use it for someone to argue against it, then call the person a blasphemer afterwards.

    They also use those words to make a person feel guilty. That is turns into fear and that fear is then used to get the person to join their church.

    Very tricky with words they are.

    – James

  31. 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

  32. Sorry….that was from Galations….

  33. Yes Scott, the verses you point out regarding God’s grace is correct. I totally agree with you.

    So do you understand what it means through “God’s grace” we are saved?

    Jesus gave us his blood through the Passover so our sins can be forgiven and we can have eternal life. There is no conflict with the verses you show and the fact that we must have Jesus’ blood in us, which is done through the Passover.

    Im just trying to show you what is said in the Bible, that is it. Im not trying to be “tricky” like Mr. King James know it all claims.

    Let us see some mated verses.

    Ephesians 1:7 — In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.

    Let us see its mated verse.

    Matthew 26:26 — While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

    27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

    I do not think any explaination is necessary here. It is quite clear.

    You say we are not Jews. Really Scott, have you really been reading your Bible lately?

    Galatians 3: 29 — If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Those who accept Christ (God in the flesh) are considered spiritual Jews.

    Romans 2:28 — A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.

    The physical Jews kept the Passover according to the
    Law of Moses. We, spiritual Israelites (those who accept Christ) keep the Passover according to the Law of Christ as Jesus set the example.

    And the reality of circumcision is baptism.

    As it is written: Colossians 2:11 — In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

    After being baptized, we can then partake in Jesus’ body and be one with Christ through the Passover.

    Do you know the profound meaning of the Passover?

    The physical Israelites escaped physical slavery of over 400 years through God’s great power of the Passover. The last plague “passed over” those who had the blood of the lamb on their doorframes.

    The Passover of the old testament is a shadow of the Passover of the New Testament.

    Through the Passover, Jesus (reality of the Passover Lamb) freed us from spirutual slavery to death. Only by eating Jesus’ flesh and blood can we receive eternal life.

    As it is written: John 6:53 — Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

    These are Jesus’ words, not mine. You have faith in Jesus correct? Then he said you must eat his flesh and blood, did he not?

    He have us his precious blood on the night of the Passover.
    By keeping the Passove of the New Covenant, we are free from death, receiving eternal life.

    Also in the last days, the plagues will come upon the people of the world. Those with the seal of God will not be harmed as it is written in Rev. 7. The seal of God is the blood of Jesus (Passover).

    The Jews who kept the Passover escaped the plagues brought upon Egypt (representing sinful world). The blood was a sign.

    The reality however is found in Christ. Those who keep the Passover of the New Covenant, having the blood of Christ, will escape the last plagues to be brought upon the world.

    Yes Scott, you are right, Jesus said to do this in remembrance of me. Then do God’s will and do it.

    You say I am not addressing your original questions. Wow Scott. I could see why you say that since I am exposing your folly. I cant blame you for making such a statement.

    Straw man accusations? Sure Scott.

    Anyways, let me continue addressing you points.

    Thank you for showing me what Protestants REALLY believe. Wow! Really!, protestants believe that through faith in Jesus, they are saved! Thank you for letting me know, I had no idea.

    What is your point here Scott. Yes I believe that it is important to have faith in Jesus too. That is why I obey his teachings.

    Are you oblivious of the fact that general Protestantism keep pagan traditions? Do you think that this is ok in the eyes of God?

    How do you justify cross reverence with 1 Corinthians 1:18 and Colossians 2:15.

    Yes Jesus died on the cross and through his death, his promise of the new covenant was put into effect. His GREAT POWER of giving us eternal life could be put into effect through his death on the cross.

    As it is written by apostle Paul: Hebrews 9:16 — In the case of a will,[d] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.

    Will is the same meaning as covenant. Jesus promise of eternal life was put into effect after his death on the cross. Yes this is the GREAT POWER OF GOD.

    So tell me again how that justifies erecting crosses and showing reverence to these idols. If Jesus died by the sword, then we should erect a sword on the church rooftop?

    Where is your sound justification?

    Jeremiah 2:
    27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
    and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
    They have turned their backs to me
    and not their faces;
    yet when they are in trouble, they say,
    ‘Come and save us!’

    28 Where then are the gods you made for yourselves?
    Let them come if they can save you
    when you are in trouble!

    Idolatry is forbidden in the Bible. The early church never engaged in casting crosses. This point is so clear. I can’t believe people actually try to justify this. Boggles the mind.

    And yes I understand the doctrine of Trinitarianism that came out of the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. They could not come to a universal agreement, and the teaching of “3 in 1” stands as the explaination of the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    3 separate entities yet they are one. Let me show you a little problem with this theory.

    Isaiah 44:24 — “This is what the LORD says—
    your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
    I am the LORD,
    who has made all things,
    who alone stretched out the heavens,
    who spread out the earth by myself,

    So Jehovah said he created everything by himself.

    Then how do you explain this?
    Colossians 1:6 — For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

    Then if Jesus and Jehovah are separate, then how many earths should we have? moons? sun? etc.

    Jesus and Jehovah are one, period. You blindly accept this 3 in 1 nonsense because it originated hundreds of years ago??

    God has played three roles over the 6000 year spiritual creation for our salvation. As the Father (old testament) as the son (1st coming of Christ) and as the Holy Spirit (2nd coming Christ).

    Only one spirit, not three.

    Are you proud of being considered a mainstreamer? Do you understand the meaning of the parable of the weeds?

    Today there are many who proclaim to believe and follow Christ, but the majority follow according to man’s tradition, not God’s commands.

    Will all who profess with their lips enter the kingdom of heaven Scott?

    Matt 7: 21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

    Jesus has warned us that not all believers will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who obey. Will they be the many (mainstream) or the few (true followers of Christ)?

    Matt 13:3 – “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

    The Church of God restored by second coming Christ as prophesied in the Bible keeps all of God’s commands as the early Church of God did.

    Tell me then how you can use those verses against our church. I would like to hear it.

    Passover is in the Bible, Christmans is not.
    Sabbath is in the Bible, Sunday worship is not.
    Sisters wear veils because it is a teaching from the Bible.

    You say pinning pagan traditions to mainstream Christianity is a dishonest tactic??

    How is that dishonest? It is the truth. Pagan traditions should have no place in Christianity. Do you not agree with this?

    You think that all you have to do to show you have faith is to say it with your mouth? You do not see the importance in obeying the word of God?

    James 2:14 — What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

    James 2: 20 — You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

    Now do you understand what faith is? Faith is obedience to God.

    It is very simple.

    You misread. I stated (and you can check above) that Yeshua means ‘YHWH is salvation’. Joshua’s name is in the Old Testament, and has the same meaning of ‘YHWH is salvation’. So although the exact spelling may not be there, the name’s meaning is there.

    LIKE I SAID, the name Jesus (YESHUA) is not in the old testament.
    That is all I said, and Im glad you agree with me.

    My point in bringing this up is that the saviors name before Jesus came, was Jehovah. And when the disciples went around proclaiming only under the name of JESUS could they be saved, this was hard for people to accept. It was a new name.

    I know what Yeshua means, but in the bigger picture, it is not important for our salvation. What is important, is God’s administration, his will for our salvation. Obeying the word of God is the way to salvation as taught in the Bible.

    In the same way, the name Ahnsahnghong has a significant meaning, but it is not important to our salvation. It is irrelevant.

    And when it comes to Acts 1:9, you just simply do not get it.

    I understand that Jesus did not go into heaven as a baby. Do you read carefully what I write Scott??

    He went up in the flesh. He will return in the flesh. It does not mean he has to come floating out of the sky.

    Jesus also said: John 6:42 — They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”

    Jesus said he came down from heaven. Did Jesus come floating out of the sky?

    How can you say my citing Elijah is meaningless??

    Let me explain again. Yes, he left in amazing display, and that is how they expect him to return, since that is the way they saw him leave.

    When Elijah came, did he come in amazing display? No he did not.

    In the same way, people misinterpret scripture, take it literally, and think Jesus is going to come out of some magical light show in the sky.

    How foolish. Like I said, Jesus spoke in parables. How foolish of you to think he is literally going to come surfing on a cloud.

    The Bible also says he is going to come riding on a horse.

    So he is going to be on a horse and he and the horse will be on some sort of cloud and somehow, everyone will be able to see him even though the world is round. Riiiight Scott.

    Oh yeah I forgot, God can perform miracles and let everyone see him at the same time.

    Remember, it is the false Christs and false prophets who will be using great signs and wonders in the last days to decieve. This is straight from the Bible my friend. Think about it.

    Why don’t you try reading the Bible with your spiritual eyes rather than your physical eyes.

    The Bible testifies that Christ is the light. When God spoke to the people on Mount Sinai, the light was too bright. They insisted that God appear to them through Moses.

    So God came in a cloud, robed in the flesh, so the people can see and be taught by the light. But sadly, the people only saw the cloud (flesh) and not the light behind the cloud. They crucified the very one they claimed to believe in.

    His coming in the flesh was a stumbling block as it is written:

    1 peter 2:6 — For in Scripture it says:
    “See, I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and precious cornerstone,
    and the one who trusts in him
    will never be put to shame.” 7Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
    “The stone the builders rejected
    has become the capstone,” 8and,
    “A stone that causes men to stumble
    and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

    God’s coming contrary to man’s opinion will become a great stumbling block for those who believe. Only by recognizing and believing the prophecies in the bible, will we be able to recieve second coming Christ.

    Reverend Moon is a corrupt con man who is entrenched in the New World Order. What biblical truths has he revealed as the second coming Christ. Has he brought the hidden manna as prophesied in Revelation 2? It is only Christ Ahnsahnghong who has.

    The same can be said with the Mormons. They actually add to the Bible even though in Rev 22:18 warns us not to add or take away.

    Ahnsahnghong is second coming Christ because he has fulfilled all the prophecies in the Bible. Do you think that I just easily and blindly accepted Ahnsahnghong as Christ?

    I studied over and over the prophecies, since I am a skeptical person anyways. Just as Jesus fulfilled prophecy, Ahnsahnghong fulfilled prophecy, I put my trust in the word of God.

    And in regards to your question about Ahnsahnghong claiming he is second coming Christ.

    Did you not read what I said in my post? I already anwered this. You should read more carefully.

    If Ahnsahnghong said, “I am second coming Christ, follow me if you want to be saved in these last days.”, would that make you believe Scott?

    If not, then why do you ask such a question.

    Anyways, I’ll give you an excerpt of the preface of one of his book of truths.

    “As you see in the contents, these are the secrets of God, which you have never learned from general churches or theolgical schools. If only you study them, you will understand fully, And whoever wants do do the will of God, will acknowledge ths book as the last notice from God.

    Author, Ahnsahnghong.

    Ahnsahnghong preached the Passover of the New Covenant. He preached that Passover would be restored by second coming Christ. He preached that the prophetical King David that would appear in the last days must preach the Passover for the remaining 37 years to fulfill the reign of David.

    Christ Ahnsahnghong was the one who did all these things.

    And you still ask if he ever proclaimed himself to be Christ??

    What do you still not understand Scott, really?

    Yes, many people persecute us, just as people persecuted the early church. So what is your point? The truth will always be persecuted.

    And when it comes to your last quoting of Colossians 2:13-17, I will address in my next post. These verses are famous among Christians who want to justify them not having to keep God’s commands.

    If you understand what Paul is saying in its context then you will understand. I will illustrate later.

  34. Yes, I know who you are “Ryan” or should I say “John”. Are you the COG’s online preacher? You sure get around don’t ya, but I’m right behind ya buddy.

    By the way, thanks for the compliment. Being called a “know it all” means alot, now worship me.

    Oh and you said Ahnsahnghong was the one who did all of that stuff, well John or Ryan, how do you know this? Who saw him do these things? Let me guess, “Mother Jerusalem” was his only witness.

    And stop crying persecution, EVERY church is being persecuted by other churches for the simple fact that they are not like them. If your church branches off into a sub denomination, it too will be “persecuted” by your church and others. It goes on and on.

    Man, you just LOVE to feel special, ehh?

    – James

  35. If Ahnsahnghong said, “I am second coming Christ, follow me if you want to be saved in these last days.”

    OR

    I am Mother Jerusalem, follow me if you want to be saved in these last days.”

    No big difference here, both couldn’t prove anything. One just happens to be alive, which makes it even worse. Yet people follow her just because she says so.

    No one on earth has worked a miracle..NO ONE. No one has raised someone from death like Jesus. No one has healed like him. Every so-called “miracle” people claim that they have done are nothing but tricks. Nothing more, nothing less and if people can not tell the difference between then that’s too bad.

    Most of these miracles are done in a church but anything performed outside of church would be impossible for these so these so called preachers that claim to “heal” or work miracles.

    Even in the days when Jesus walked the earth, people were not working REAL miracles, they were nothing but tricks. If they were real then Jesus’ miracles would not be as unique as it is. No one has done what Jesus did..ever. Even when Moses’ staff turned into a snake, the Pharoah said that he was aware of those kinds of tricks…again tricks.

    They were nothing but David Blaines. So much for Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem working miracles, they couldn’t pull a simple card trick if they’re life depended on it, yet they are God.

    Would it mean something if Jesus came back and worked miracles, well in my opinion..yes. Because no one on this earth can. You have never seen anyone work a miracle and you never will, “Ryan”. Not even your Gods.

    – James

  36. Ahnsahnghong preached the Passover of the New Covenant. He preached that Passover would be restored by second coming Christ. He preached that the prophetical King David that would appear in the last days must preach the Passover for the remaining 37 years to fulfill the reign of David.

    ———-

    Yet no one knew who he was when he preached this? For 37 years (which a very long time may I add) people were hearing the same BS by this guy about how Passover was abolished and how only one person can “restore it”. I’m sure he made his congregation observe the Passover or else he wouldn’t have done his job. Plus your Church’s website said he did, so how exactly did he come in secret and how is it possible that no one knew who he was until AFTER his death? Give me a break. He must have been preaching to blind people or the deaf or maybe sock puppets, since no one was aware that their church were the “only church” to observe Passover since no other church on Earth were doing so.

    Then all of a sudden after 37 years, people woke up. After an hour of riding my bike, I crashed into a wall then realized that I was actually riding my bike. Make sense huh, yeaaaaa.

    Dude, c’mon.

    Let me use a scripture that you used above;

    ——–
    James 2: 20 — You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

    ——–

    So if Ahnsahnghong did what he preached, if his ACTIONS were as clear as the WORDS he preached, it would be impossible for anyone not to catch on and to put two and two together and figure out that he was the “second coming”. After 37 years of repetitive bible study and Sabbath worships and Tuesday services and Passovers, something should have clicked but apparently, those South Koreans in his congregation were clueless.

    – James

  37. Ryan, you said:

    You say we are not Jews. Really Scott, have you really been reading your Bible lately?

    Galatians 3: 29 — If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Those who accept Christ (God in the flesh) are considered spiritual Jews.

    —————

    What about those who accept Ahnsahnghong? Would they be considered spiritual Koreans?

    – James

  38. World Mission Society Church of God is a Cult, nothing but a Cult, always been a Cult, will always be a Cult. Fake Jesus, Fake Mother, the only thing real is the Money they take from you. Kurt Cobain said it best, Stay away.

  39. I gotta say one more thing, The Cast Iron Balls on these Motherfuckers is just beyond anything I’ve ever seen. They want us to believe that a man that banged half of the Ho’s in Korea, (that’s a lotta Ho’s) has Kids all over the place, left his bottom bitch in Charge of the store, (those of you from the hood like me, know what that means) and wore Glasses was “Jesus the II”. His Ho wears a Hearing-Aid and speaks only Korean, yet she invented Language. What a Crock of Freshly Shat SHITTTTTTTT.

    YOU’RE A FUCKIN’ IDIOT !

    (Outstanding way to put this in perspective)

    “ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE”, what did God do to those who did not worship him and chose to worship another “god”? I’m just trying to find the connection between the two because it seem as though God contradicted himself. It’s just weird how God despised Idol worshippers so much in the bible that he slaughterd thousands of them, only to turn around and allow perfection to come from imperfection. But, if Fake Korean Jesus wasn’t perfect, then that would explain it all.

    (and also)

    Yet no one knew who he was when he preached this? For 37 years (which a very long time may I add) people were hearing the same BS by this guy about how Passover was abolished and how only one person can “restore it”. I’m sure he made his congregation observe the Passover or else he wouldn’t have done his job. Plus your Church’s website said he did, so how exactly did he come in secret and how is it possible that no one knew who he was until AFTER his death? Give me a break. He must have been preaching to blind people or the deaf or maybe sock puppets, since no one was aware that their church were the “only church” to observe Passover since no other church on Earth were doing so. Then all of a sudden after 37 years, people woke up. After an hour of riding my bike, I crashed into a wall then realized that I was actually riding my bike. Make sense huh, yeaaaaa.

    Could not have said these thing better myself !

    Swooping in from the highin the Sky, forever and I mean forever a thorn in their side,

    Hawkeye !

  40. Ryan,

    Who are you ?, who who, who who. Whoooooo are you ? who who, who who ! I really wanna know. What branch of this Cult are you from ? N.Y., N.J., Denver Chapter ? Your name really Zapien from California ? YOU ARE A FOOL. A FOOL OR LIER OR BOTH. Are Mothers teeth real ?

  41. Firstly, lay off the profanity Hawkeye! It’s already like gangbang here, half a dozen commenters jumping on Ryan. The least you could do is to be polite.

    —How do you justify cross reverence with 1 Corinthians 1:18 and Colossians 2:15.—

    Well, first off, it is in no way cross WORSHIP. Man, if I were to use a symbol with the letters MDCoC to stand for Modern Day Church of Christ, would that be idolatry? They are pagan inventions after all.

    It is not wrong to have symbols. God Himself made one in the form of the bronze snake.

    The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived. (Numbers 21)

    Well, I was confused about this for a while. Wouldn’t it be idolatry to gaze upwards at a snake image? The second Commandments says: “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.”

    Ah, there it is! it is only idolatry if people actually WORSHIP the image, which happened in 2 Kings 18! Whereas if God commanded it to be done, then it is God ordained.

    And I say that it is God who ordained Jesus to die on the CROSS, not a sword or noose or by stoning or anything else. If it were by those methods, then yes, Christianity’s symbol might well be that item.

    —Idolatry is forbidden in the Bible. The early church never engaged in casting crosses. This point is so clear. I can’t believe people actually try to justify this. Boggles the mind.—

    Point out to me where Christians worship the cross, and I will join you in chastising them for their blasphemy. But the striaght fact is, Protestants do not worship symbols or idols. We don’t pray to statues of saints either. No proper Christian actually thinks the cross is God!

    —Colossians 1:6 — For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

    Then if Jesus and Jehovah are separate, then how many earths should we have? moons? sun? etc.—

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” (John 1:1-3)

    Jesus (the Word) was with God, Jesus was God, and He made all things through Him. How do you interpret this verse’s two ‘with God’ statements? Why bother saying that Jesus was with God if He is God in the first place? Better to leave it out altogether.

    —Passover is in the Bible, Christmans is not.
    Sabbath is in the Bible, Sunday worship is not.
    Sisters wear veils because it is a teaching from the Bible.

    You say pinning pagan traditions to mainstream Christianity is a dishonest tactic??

    How is that dishonest? It is the truth. Pagan traditions should have no place in Christianity. Do you not agree with this?—

    Let me state it this way. If I don’t celebrate Christmas… I am still a Christian. I don’t go to hell.

    If I don’t worship on Sunday, but on another day or not at all… I am still a Christian. I don’t go to hell.

    If I don’t ever see a cross in my entire life… I am still a Christian. I don’t go to hell.

    The fact is, none of the things you accuse Protestants of practising are doctrine. They are expressions of culture. We sing and listen to sermons in foreign languages. We wear unJewish clothes. We worship in shophouses and straw huts instead of temples.

    If anyone claimed that we HAVE to do those thigns to be saved, THAT would be a pagan (nonChristian) belief! In fact, that is what yoru church is accused of – putting rituals as criteria to be saved. Whether or not it has precedence in the Bible, no ritual will save you – only belief in Jesus and obedience to His words.

    Compare with this scenario: A soldier accepts Jesus as his lor and saviour five seconds before he is shot and dies. He never has the chance to go to worship service (on whatever day), give tithes, celebrate whatever festival or eat even on Passover. Is he saved?

    The mainstream would say, Yes he is saved. He put his faith in Jesus. But since he never partook of the Passover, what does your church say about his state of salvation? If he is not saved, then fine – that doesn’t make your doctrine wrong.

    But that is what I’m trying to point out – mainstream Christianity needs NO rituals. It is the heart that counts. And if the heart tells someone that Passover is necessary, well then, go ahead and have it – just don’t try and condemn everyone else when faith is the key to being saved.

    —James 2:14 — What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? —

    Yes, faith without obedience is dead. But is the actual, physical act of Passover required of Christians? Or was James talking of Jesus’ only commandments to love God and love mankind – a way of life and a heart attitude, rather than rituals that the other Letters all say should not be used as a judging criteria?

    —He went up in the flesh. He will return in the flesh. It does not mean he has to come floating out of the sky.—

    Since He came in the flesh, He may very well come down in the flesh. But if he went flying up into the sky, then why shouldn’t He come down from the sky?

    Why only take one of the two and not both together? Does Acts 1:9 have any distinguishing words to show that the angels were referring to Jesus’ flesh and not His ascension? I say yes, there is, – because they said, in the same WAY He was taken – not in the same BODY or FORM. It’s a verb, an action, so the angels logically wre talking about the ACTION of flying.

    —In the same way, people misinterpret scripture, take it literally, and think Jesus is going to come out of some magical light show in the sky.—

    If not, then how will ALL the world realize that Jesus has returned, and tremble and mourn at the reliaztion of their sinful ways? And how will all the believers will be caught up in the air to join Jesus without anyone noticing? (1 Thes 4:17)

    —Like I said, Jesus spoke in parables.—

    And what is the criteria to be used? Why is Jesus speaking in parables when referring to coming down from the sky, but NOT speaking in parables or metaphor when speaking about ‘eating flesh and blood’? Esp. if it is not within Judaism’s kashrut/kosher laws to eat human flesh.

    —Remember, it is the false Christs and false prophets who will be using great signs and wonders in the last days to decieve. This is straight from the Bible my friend. Think about it.—

    And it is completely ordinary, non-second coming, non-prophetic people who will NOT DO ANY SIGNS AND WONDERS. By that criteria, there is nothing that makes Ahnsahnghong any more the Christ that me is there? He didn’t do miracles, I’m not doing any either. He didn’t claim to be Christ in his lifetime, neitehr do I.

    —Reverend Moon is a corrupt con man who is entrenched in the New World Order. What biblical truths has he revealed as the second coming Christ. Has he brought the hidden manna as prophesied in Revelation 2? It is only Christ Ahnsahnghong who has.—

    By what criteria do you accuse Moon as a con man, not having brought the hidden manna, or not being the true Christ? Or mroe specifically, why should I believe that Ahnsahnghong is the Christ over Moon? If I am swayed by all your arguments and interpretation of Scripture, I could end up a Moonie instead, if you don’t give me any reason Ahnsahnghong’s church is better or more correct. They use the same arguments after all.

    —And you still ask if he ever proclaimed himself to be Christ??—

    I still ask it. Without outside interpretation of his writings, did Ahnsahnghong actually say that he thought he was the Messiah, the Christ? Did he clearly state it? Jesus may not have outrigth said “I am God”, although He hinted strongly at it through words and claims. But He answered plainly that He was Messiah.

    I REALLY NEED TO ASK – If Ahnsahnghong was the second coming of Christ, what praytell has he achieved? How many times does Jesus have to come before He comes to defeat evil, destroy the armies arrayed with Satan, judge the world and bring everlasting peaces?

    I ask this because Jesus is supposed to do these things the next/second/FINAL time He comes to earth. These thigns have not been achieved by Ahnsahnghong’s coming. Or perhaps there is a Third Coming? I am being serious here.

    —Yes, many people persecute us, just as people persecuted the early church. So what is your point? The truth will always be persecuted.—

    How about the persecuted Moonies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Satanists? They speak the truth too? The truth may be persecuted, but so is everything else! Not a good criteria to measure truthfulness by.

    From your testimony about yourself, and your studious referral of Scripture, I can see that you are not just a blind follower or brainwashed sheep. You actually are convicted that Ahnsahnghong is the Christ after thinking it through. For this, I respect your stand.

    I ask that you realize that I, too, am wholly convinced of the doctrines I believe after having thought through them. I am also a skeptic, and not prone to following the norms like a sheep.

    So if we are both not imbeciles, then it boils down to our own interpretation and understanding of Scripture. I am not convinced that your doctrines are correct, and you think I am misguidedly adhering to standard exegesis.

    Shall we continue to debate the Scriptures then? The issue may never be solved (which is why there are so many denominations), but it will be good for our understanding of each other’s beliefs.

  42. Ryan, I admit that your arguments regarding the necessity of Passover seem logical. Your interpretation of specifice verses seems sound. It bears more looking into the matter.

    But if I were to conclude that your church’s teaching is right regarding the Passover, how does that tie in with Ahnsahnghong really being the Christ?

    The logical lines could be ‘Ahnsahnghong’s teaching about Passover is correct therefore Ahnsahnghong does not have wrong doctrine’ says nothing about his Messiahship. Through careful study or pure chance, any normal person could also teach the same thing about Passover.

    I believe the Seventh Day Adventists of which Ahnsahnghong was once a member teach Sabbath keeping and Passover. They make no claims to Messiahship however, although their founder was once thought to be infallible regarding doctrine.

    So Passover included or aside, what is there to convince us that Ahnsahnghong is the second coming of Christ rather than an ordinary human theologian who had correct doctrine? There is an eternity of difference between the two.

    (Note that the best evidence for his Messiahship should not be applicable to other people who claimed to be Christ, or normal people who never claimed to be Christ but just happened to be in the same set of evidences.)

  43. Of course some of their teaching is legit Scott. That’s CULT 101 Brother. They teach some obvious truth up front so you’ll be like, yeah these people are onto something. Then they drop it on your head. Their INSANE beliefs, better said, what they want YOU to believe. They have to gain your trust first. That makes it oh so hard for most people to tell em to screw off. They won’t ever sit someone down for the first time and say “I want you to worship a dead Korean man that wore Glasses and the Whore he left behind”. Oh no, much, much more subtle than that. I’m thinking they are using hypnotism on many of the members. I’m not Bullshiting here.

  44. Scott,

    I can agree with you. Ryan is no way an idiot, a moron, or even foolish. However, what doesn’t make sense is the story of Ahnsahnghong. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I actually have respect for Ryan and his knowledge of the Bible and his strong stance for his beliefs but still, it does not add up.

    If this guy Ahnsahnghong did actually preach everything that Ryan is verbally regurgitating for 37 years to his congregation, and for them to observe this Passover for 37 years while acknowledging that there were no other churches doing so, then it would be impossible for them to NOT know that he was this “second coming” that he preached about and they (his congregation) studied the bible prophesies about, to determine howthe second coming will appear and whatthe second coming’s purpose will be.

    To Ryan or “John”,

    Just as simple as it was for me to detect who you were, even though you are using a different user name, it should have been just as simple for Ahnsahnghong’s congregation to detect who he was.

    It’s the clue that you left behind. It’s the way that you refered to me that allowed me to determine who you were. If I am the founder of a church and I am preaching to you that Passover was abolished by Constantine, and how there are no chuches observing it, and the only person who can restore this Passover is the second coming, while at the same time I am declaring that only the TRUE church observes this event. I am also making everyone in my congregation observe this Passover because I am preaching that it is a command.

    When you sit at home, you ought to think to yourself, “WOW, our church is the only church in the world observing Passover. But wait, if our church is the only church doing this and if the prophesies say the second coming is the only one to restore it, that must mean our King James our preacher is the second coming, I can’t believe it!

    For 37 years, no one was aware of that? Makes one wonder how they were able to tie their shoe laces.

    I can bet he baptized people in the name of Jesus Christ because if he had baptized people in his own name, that would be revealing himself in so many ways. Yet today, your church claims that it is wrong for people to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, well I feel sorry for those people he baptized in his church because I’m sure he did not baptized them in his name for obvious reasons.

    The story does not add up.

    – James

  45. King,

    He may in fact be “knowledgable”, but he’s using that knowledge for evil purposes whether he knows it or not. He’s got us telling him he’s wrong, but he refuses to give. Sometimes you have to illustrate absurdity by being absurd to make them see themselves for what they are or what they believe, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but they do find out where you’re coming from for sure. He is a philosophical idiot. Like you say, it doesn’t add up. Being a knowledgable person would tell him if he’s a logical person @ all, that it doesn’t add up. My conclusion is that he must know it’s a crock of shit. He must. He’s in Co-Hootz with Hillery to send us all to the bad place.

    Swooping in from the high in the Sky, forever and I do mean forever, a thorn in their side,

    Hawkeye !

  46. Hawkeye,

    You make a VERY good point and I also agree with you on that. Like, I’m very open to reading and trying to analyze their doctrine even more which I am doing because we all have access to these books for we have family/friends who are members of this church.

    Most of the “new prophesies” they may tell us we need to know to understand why Ahnsahnghong is this second coming christ just isn’t important as the man himself and the life he lived.

    Putting the bible aside, what did he do, besides build a bunch of churches in a short amount of time and what did he say to his congregation? How can someone who came in secret get persecuted as they claim he did?

    That’s like persecuting George Bush for being a ninja, well who knows that he’s a ninja? No one, because it is a secret. They want to claim that he came in secret yet they want to give the impression that people knew him well enough to persecute him..very confusing.

    I feel Ryan or John does know the truth about this LIE and is probably getting paid good money. Like you said, that’s the only way to see it. At some point rational thinking does kick in but if you are told that rational thinking should not be used then I guess that would lead anyone to believe it.

    If I were some young “wet behind the ears” college student, I would be very convinced if he were to apporach me with this in person. Seeing how they like to use scare tactics. The ol’, “Do you want to disobey God?” type of questions that brings fear and guilt into someone’s mind.

    I dunno man, I guess that doesn’t make me a “know it all” like Ryan or John likes to call me.

    – James

  47. Hawkeye,

    This is what ‘Ryan” or “John” wrote:

    —————-

    Idolatry is forbidden in the Bible. The early church never engaged in casting crosses. This point is so clear. I can’t believe people actually try to justify this. Boggles the mind.

    —————-

    He pretty much shot himself in the foot here by including bible scripture to back up his statement:

    —————-

    Jeremiah 2:
    27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
    and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
    They have turned their backs to me
    and not their faces;
    yet when they are in trouble, they say,
    ‘Come and save us!’

    28 Where then are the gods you made for yourselves?
    Let them come if they can save you
    when you are in trouble!

    —————-

    According to the COG, Buddhism is a false religion. This false religion worships Buddah which many partake in praying and bowing to a golden statue.

    Ahnsahnghong and his parents were Buddist. Ahnsahnhong was pretty much a buddhist until getting batpized at age 30. So for half of his life, this man was raised in a buddhist home and worshipped an idol, which goes against the scripture above and is forbidden.

    Why did God allow the second coming to be born from 2 people who did not obey, love nor worhip him? What about poor ol’ Buddah, how does he feel about the Hewbrew’s God just using his children which have nothing to do with the bible or it’s prophesies, to bring about the second coming of his son?

    Sounds like a blatant act of disrespect to me.

    – James

  48. King James, haven’t I already exposed you for not beleiving in the Bible or Jesus. You are not fully convinced that Jesus is the first coming of Christ, so how could you understand who second coming Christ is??

    Any discussion with you is futile. I could go on and on exposing you for who you are.

    And Hawkeye obviously has tourettes syndrome.

    Scott, first of all, I apologize for being so sarcastic in my responses to you. I just get very passionate when it comes to who the Christ is in this Age of the Holy Spirit.

    I just want people to recognize who our saviors are in this age, according to the Scriptures. I want to use the Scriptures to lead people to salvation, just as the apostles did 2000 years ago.

    There is so much falsehood out there, hence all the different denominations, and I want people to see the truth.

    Only by examining the Bible carefully can we be led to salvation.

    Scott, I have been rereading your posts and thinking about where your mind is. You obviously have a mind to seek the truth, unlike some people.

    You brought up the point about the bronze snake in regards to symbols and such.

    Let me address this point first, then I want to ask you a bottom line question.

    Let me present to you a study from Christ Ahnsahnghong about the idolatry of the Cross. It involves the verse you brought up in Numbers.

    Please read this with an open mind and Im sure you will clearly understand the point I am making with the cross.

    Cross reverence is Idolatry.

    Introduction

    Ex 20: 4 — “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    So first, let us examine what is considered an idol in the eyes of God.

    Lev. 26: 1 ” ‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

    Any image or carved stone is an idol in the eyes of God according to the word of God.

    Let us examine further.

    Jeremiah 10:2 — This is what the LORD says:
    “Do not learn the ways of the nations
    or be terrified by signs in the sky,
    though the nations are terrified by them.
    3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
    they cut a tree out of the forest,
    and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

    4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
    they fasten it with hammer and nails
    so it will not totter.

    5 Like a scarecrow in a melon patch,
    their idols cannot speak;
    they must be carried
    because they cannot walk.

    Do not fear them;
    they can do no harm
    nor can they do any good.”………………….
    8 They are all senseless and foolish;
    they are taught by worthless wooden idols………………
    11 “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’ “…… 14 Everyone is senseless and without knowledge;
    every goldsmith is shamed by his idols.
    His images are a fraud;
    they have no breath in them. 15 They are worthless, the objects of mockery;
    when their judgment comes, they will perish.

    The cross is also an image which is a wooden idol shaped like a scarecrow.

    Crosses were worshipped by pagans before Christ.

    How does God view such idols.

    Deut. 27: 15 — “Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol—a thing detestable to the LORD, the work of the craftsman’s hands—and sets it up in secret.”
    Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”

    Clearly, it is detestable in the eyes of the God almighty that we as Christians believe in.

    Also, examine this prophecy carefully.

    Jeremiah 2: 27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
    and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
    They have turned their backs to me
    and not their faces;
    yet when they are in trouble, they say,
    ‘Come and save us!’

    This word means that they worship the image of Virgin Mary. (Catholic tradition which originated from paganism.)

    I understand that the Protestant churches do not worship Virgin Mary, but also let us understand that the cross also is an idol.

    Now I want to show you some prophecies in regards to the veneration of the cross using Israelite history.

    Let us keep this question in the back of our mind. Can the church that reveres the cross be saved?

    Numbers 21:4 — They traveled from Mount Hor along the route to the Red Sea, [c] to go around Edom. But the people grew impatient on the way; 5 they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!”
    6 Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the LORD and against you. Pray that the LORD will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.

    8 The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.

    Let us learn the profound signifagance of this history.

    Was it the actual bronze snake on the pole that saved them, or was it the word of God?

    They could live because of the word of God, not the actual snake on the cross. The word of God is what gives us life. If God says that you must look at the bronze snake on the pole if you want to live, then it is so.

    However, the foolish people began to worship the bronze snake, thinking that it had the power to give them protection, not acknowledging that it was God’s word that allowed them to live.

    2 Kings 18:3 — He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father David had done. 4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called [b] Nehushtan. )

    The Israelites were worshiping the bronze snake, foolishly thinking it had power. It is the word of God that gives us life.

    Then the question is, how can we learn from this history, or prophecy if you will?

    John 3:14 — Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

    Think about the meaning of this testimony very carefully. Use your spiritual senses to see the truth.

    The bronze snake being lifted on the pole had prophetical meaning to Jesus being hung on the cross.

    The Son of Man must be “lifted up” on the cross.

    The ancient Israelites worshiped the visible bronze snake, despising the word of God that allowed them to live.

    In the same way, today, people see great power in the symbol of the cross that Jesus was hung on.

    They despise the precious blood that Jesus gave us the night before he was sacrificed, which was the Passover of the New Covenant.

    On the Passover, he said that the Passover bread was his flesh and the Passover wine was his blood. It is this word that gives us life, since Jesus said whoever eats his flesh and blood has eternal life.

    The point is, we must recognize that it is God’s word that gives us life. Yes, Jesus died on the cross, but let us learn from Israelite history and recognize that it is through the flesh and blood that Jesus gave us on the night of the Passover that we receive life.

    Remember God’s word, whoever erects or worships a cross will be cursed.

    Let us believe in the word of Jesus and eat his flesh and blood of the Passover to recieve eternal life as taught by Jesus.

    The Passover truth is the core of the entire Bible. And our Heavenly Mother is the reality of God’s flesh and blood.

    I can illustrate this using the Scriptures.

    So now to my question.

    Since you have such a good mind to seek the truth, I am more than willing to show you all the prophecies of second coming Christ so you can come to a conclusion if Ahnsahnghonn is truly the second coming Christ or not.

    Think about it. We cannot come to recognize the true Christ from all the false Christs by depending on miraculous signs. Jesus clearly warned us about this.

    We cannot rely on someone saying, “I am the Christ” for many people in the last days will say, “I am the Christ”.

    Then we need to honestly ask ourselves, what is the criteria by which we can recognize the true Christ from all the false Christs?

    It is only through the Scriptures. Only through prophecy.

    John 5:9You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

    The only thing we can look at to recognize Christ is the Scriptures as Jesus so clearly stated.

    Many people know the Scriptures, but without recognizing or believing in the one who fulfills the Scriptures, we can never have life.

    So I leave you with this verse.

    Acts 17:11 — Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

    Paul was testifying to the first coming of Christ. Now we are testifying to the second coming of Christ who has come in accordance with all the prophecies of the Bible.

    If you want to examine them to see if Ahnsahnghong is the one who has fulfilled them, then I am more than willing to go into detail with you.

    Please check it out fully, then make a decision. Only by having faith in the word of God can we come to believe.

    Matt 13: 58 — And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

    Then what comes first? Faith in the word of God (prophecy) or miracles?

    It is up to you my friend.

    God Bless You.

    • RYAN GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER!!!!

      you are pleasing Father and Mother, may you bare beautiful fruit and even if through this you dont, you are still receiving many blessings…

      John 15:18-21 “if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.”
      Matthew 11:6 “blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.”
      Matthew 10:22 “all men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

      these are somthings that i like to keep in mind when i am constantly persecuted even from those very dear to me…but also remember this…

      John 15:22 “if i had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now however, they have no excuse for their sin.”
      luke 17:22-25 “the time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. Men will tell you, ‘there he is! or here he is!’ do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lighting, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. BUT FIRST HE MUST SUFFER MANY THINGS AND BE REJECTED BY THIS GENERATION.”

      so not everyone will accept this just yet, as long as you told them God’s words you did your part, there are so many other lost brothers and sisters out there that have yet to hear the truth…so lets go and spread the good news to EVERYONE and lets be prepared when the great multitude over flows into Zion in the last days!! But at least now when that day comes, they will know to seek the ones that are walking with our only savior!

      im sure this is nothing new to you and you already know all this, but Hebrews 10:25 let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another-and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

      God bless you!!!!

  49. Whatever, “Ryan”.

    As I have said a thousand times, you are not exposing anything. What have I said in the past about myself that was a lie? Nothing. Oh well, that’s what I get for having some kind of respect for someone who just wants to get to know what I “believe” only to try and use it against me later.

    Try not to be so obvious in your attempt to label me as “evil”, John. Apparently anyone with an opinion is just that in your eyes.

    Again I say, no I do not “believe” the Bible is 100% God’s word…so what. That is my way of thinking, take it or leave it. You know, that is a lame attempt to expose someone, John. Using the bible as a test to see where they stand as far as acknowledging a collection of books written by men and their own perception of man’s true nature and their destiny.

    When have I said that Jesus was not Christ? I’m tired of fully explaining myself, only for you to hear what you want to hear or read what you want to read and twist everything around. I’ve said and explained myself so many times to you yet still, it said wrong coming from you.

    Everyone has questions, which is why they are told to have faith. His life is a mystery and that’s all to it. No one knows his childhood. No one knows his teenaged life or anyting in between beside what is said in the Bible.

    What kind of activities did Jesus get into as child, John?

    Was he perfect as a child too? Did he laugh? Did he cry? Did he get into trouble like normal kids?

    I don’t need your faithfilled answers but questions like that would help or shed light on to determine the type of life he had and would really strengthen peoples belief, so that “faith” is not needed. You should not need to have “faith” in truth. The two just do not mix. Truth is the accuracy of something that can be proven and that proof will determine it to be fact, but faith is the acceptance in something without proof.

    So for me to say that I know, shows certainty and is absolute compared to I believe or have faith, which shows uncertainty. If “I know”, then I can show you why I know and the proof presented can be tested and determinded proof positive by others observing as well. However, if I have faith or “believe” that Jesus’ existed, then I can not show you any physical proof besides what is written about him.

    However, I have never ruled out Jesus’ existence. Please get your facts straight before you try to “expose” someone. Atleast do me the honor and use my own words as proof to what you claim.

    That still doesn’t excuse your god for being an idol worshipper, which is a sin.

    – James

  50. Hawkeye, the problem with stubborness and refusing to accept being proven wrong is that it works either way. It could very well be me (/you/us) who is wrong and stubbornly refusing to see the light. So the only way to settle such matters is to take the objective facts and judge between our views.

    Unfortunately, as global warming yes/no and evolution/creation debates have proved, that just leads to accusations of bias and slanted viewpoints. Sigh!

    Well Ryan, I would maintain that anything can be an idol IF IT IS WORSHIPED (bowed down to). It doesn’t ever have to ever have been used as a pagan symbol before – people can even worship and pray to Pachinko machines (Japanese pinball type game).

    It doesn’t even have to be an object – wealth, power, fame can all be idols. The definition of idolatry, IMHO, is where anything is elevated to equal or greater status than the one true God.

    It is my opinion that the cross or any other symbol does not automatically become an idol, until people start to revere it rather than what it symbolizes (Jesus). That is the danger of making images intended to represent God (as the Israelites did – they called the Bronze Calf the ‘God who led them out of Egypt’, not any other god, yet YHWH was still greatly displeased).

    The Bronze Snake is a perfect illustration of this – it is holy as long as people look up to it and remember teh Holy God who ordered it made and who forgives and heals. But when people start treating the Snake as a god… That’s where it all goes wrong.

    I for one have never bowed down to a cross or any other symbol. But I respect it as the reminder of Christ’s sacrifice. I can say the same for the majority of churches. So the issue of cross worship isn’t really as bad as you might think.

    I’ll give that you do not agree that a ‘pagan’ symbol is used in churches. But don’t misunderstand that Christians worship anything else but God Himself (not so sure if Catholic praying to statues of saints crosses the line though).

    Idolatry can be in any form – even the form of the Passover, if people begin to place more importance in that ritual than in God’s free grace. And it CAN happen – people are weak and easily swayed, and being physical beings find physical means of ‘salvation’ to be comforting.
    That is perhaps one failing of the more legalistic Jews, who put more faith in circumcism and feasts (including Passover) and tithes, but neglected the heart and spirit of God.

    I’m not making accusations here – but do watch out in your own church that people do not start treating ANY ritual as more important than God, ok?

    (On a side note, I believe that is the stated reason why Muslims cannot make images of any of the prophets – the weaker spirited would soon start to venerate and worship the images! But this still does not stop idolatry. All that idolatry needs to thrive is for someone to believe that any created thing – even a prophet – is perfect and holy.)

    One could also bring up Jesus’ words in defense of wearing crosses as a symbol on oneself:

    “And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.” – Luke 14:27

    But I feel that this passage makes more sense when taken figuratively – if we are not willing to bear suffering and sacrifice for Him, then we are not true followers of Jesus.

    On faith and miracles, I believe I have faith. I’ve gone by faith before, and seen minor miracles. Nothing spectacular like the dead brought to life or anything, but more relevant and impactful on my life.

    Miracles are not the be all and end all of things. False prophets will perform miracles by the power of the devil or spirits (some call it sorcery). But let’s not forget that true prophets and the Apostles performed miracles too.

    And of course, one way to tell apart a true prophet is by his namesake – prophecies.

    “From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms. But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the LORD only if his prediction comes true.” (Jeremiah 28:8-9)

    Simple and clear enough – if someone claims to be a prophet of God, he should be making prophecies. And if they come true (even if it’s long after his lifetime), we will know that he was a genuine man of God.

    On Ahnsahnghong, the difficulty for me is that I don’t (yet) see anything unique or different that sets him apart from the other men who (falsely) claimed to be Christ. What tells me that he is truly the Christ and the others are fakes?

    I always wonder when I hear that yet another religious leader claims himself to be Christ: What do they think of all the previous people who claimed to be Christ? Why do their followers believe/choose them over any other Christ-claimers?

    (José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia in Florida, USA was the latest to make me wonder before I heard of Ahnsahnghong).

    I believe the Scriptures wholeheartedly as the only final say in these thigns, so yes, I would appreciate being briefed on the Scriptures that you claim back up Ahnsahnghong’s Messiahship.
    (But I would still have to ask for more if the passages apply just as well to other people who claimed to have been Christ.)

    James – Whether the Bible is God inspired or man-invented, and which parts are, is a whole ‘nuther post! Incidentally, one of my recent posts is about the discovery of an artifact that seems to correlate with the book of Jeremiah. The comments at that post have my attempt at explaining why that adds to the trueness of the Bible (which I believe includes the part about all Scripture being God-breathed being true too, 2 Timothy 3:16).

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/the-jeremiah-tablet-evidence-of-the-bibles-accurate-history/

    There are a bunch of non-Canonical ‘gospels’ detailing the life of Jesus as a child… But I don’t consider them to be true accounts, in part becuase they protray a very petty, vindictive and irresponsible child who uses his miraculous powers to blind and kill people he doesn’t like.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospels#Infancy_Gospels

    And among even secular scholars, it is generally accepted that at least a Jewish teacher named Jesus lived around the turn of BCE to CE (BC to AD), even fi they don’t agree that He really did and said the things the Bible attests to.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

    I like in particular that contemporary nonChristian writers like Tacitus recorded the existence of a person named Jesus, and followers who believed that He rose from the dead.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus

  51. Hi Scott,

    I’ve read your post about the artifact found that can perhaps prove the events in Bible as valid. Well I’ll just present my opinion on it. I’m not dismissing that many events in the Bible could have happened but it seems that certain times are recorded and some are not. For what purpose, I couldn’t tell you, but if someone were to record their life or events of their life, they might write this in a journal and/or diary or perhaps make a video log.

    However it is done, it’s done on an everyday basis and everything from taking a shower in the morning to the food they have eaten for dinner may be recorded. My “give or take” on it. Now if someone were to do this from the age of 16 to the age of 25, there should be huge catalog of journal books, diaries, or video logs lying around. Since there is 365 days of the year, if we multiply that by 9(years) that would be 3,285 days of their life recorded or written down.

    Now that’s alot of books/videos. Even on the days where there is not much happening, the average person would log the date and perhaps say that it was a boring day and give their reason why it was such a boring day, they are not going to leave the person hanging, because even a boring day, has a story.

    Similar to Security Guards, they must write a log every hour or so of their shift. Even when nothing has happened within the hour, they must write something down and also log in the time. That too, is alot of writing.

    So if the OT is a collection of events recorded by a man or God, what would be the reason to omit certain events or certain times? The timeline of each story in each book jumps from “A” to “K”, leaving out the “in betweens” or from “B” to “H”. It appears that either the person made the decision to weigh certain events more important than others and I am saying that because the books are too edited and summarized and that it should also be much longer than it is, if we were to think that it was recorded during the actual time, compared to it being written years or centuries later.

    Eveyday is important, not certain days. The way that it is wriiten, gives me the impression that it wasn’t written during, yet it is told in a form of a bed time story.

    However, if there were events recorded on an everyday basis, why not include them? If they were included, then who made the decision to not inlcude them and why? I guess those questions should be directed to either God, the man who wrote the books or the person who edited the OT and NT and combined them.

    In other words, there is historical evidence and proof of a few stories but I feel alot of information have been left out. Even with the disciples, there should be more detail than it is. They couldn’t have possibily been around Jesus 24/7, and within the time when even Jesus himself took a break and spent time alone after his baptism, why record what he was doing and not record what the person who is telling the story themselve’s were doing and what they were experiencing? Everything was fixed and focused on Jesus, yet they are a part of the story to a point where they would only write about events that only covered Jesus, even when no one was around Jesus to witness it.

    And if Jesus told them about his day when they were not around, they would have written it in such a way where it would perhaps say, “And Jesus told to me, he went into the mountain and meditated.” Or “Jesus said to me that he was tested by Satan and Satan said blah blah blah.”.

    The disciples had to get some “alone time” at one point or else Judas wouldn’t have been able to get Jesus captured/arrested. The event that took place where Judas made a deal with the chief priests to betray Jesus,(Matthew 26:14-16). Also this events appears to be the only event recorded where none of the disciples were around Judas when he made this deal to have Jesus captured.

    I don’t want to dig too deep about the Bible but I am not denying nor confirming the events in the Bible to be total truth or false, given that the “in betweens” are left out.

    But these are my opinons and I not trying to bring anyone into my loop.

    Thanks, Scott.

    – James

  52. Hi~
    I leave a comment to want to tell you about the church of God.
    firstly, let me introduce about the church of God in brief.
    church of God only follow the teaching of the Bible, God’s holy word.
    By the way, May I ask you a question?
    what do you thing of the purpose to go to church?
    the most important purpose is to receive salvation(eternal life) from God. isn’t it?
    then, how can we get the eternal life?
    almost of the christian insist that we can be saved just when we believe in God. and so many people also believe that.
    however, this is not true.
    about this matter, Jesus clearly testify that only he who does the will of God, will enter the kingdom of heaven. If you look at the book of the matthew 7:21, you can see.
    it means that only those who believe in
    God’s word and put it into practice, can go to the kingdom of heaven.

    then, which is the God’s will?
    Man’s teaching or God’s teaching.
    absolutely, the latter.
    as you know, God’s teaching is written in the Bible.
    so, we can know the way to get the eternal life only through the Bible.
    this is why church of God only follow
    the teaching of the Bible.
    now, among many truth in the Bible,
    let’s focus on the core truth in the church of God.
    the most different thing between church of God and the other chruchs is the existence of the heavenly mother.
    heavenly mother is the core truth. because we can get the eternal life through her.
    The Bible clearly testify to this fact.
    let’s make a carefully study about heavenly mother.

    since the Bible says that God has given us a precious promised.
    therefore, the Bible calls us the children of promise
    let’s take a look at the book of Galatians.

    Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.

    what is the promise God gave us?

    1John 2:25 And this is what he promised us-even eternal life.

    God promised us the eternal life to his children of promise.
    do you know how we received God’s precious promise of eternal life?
    It’s very important to us who want to go to the kingdom of heaven.
    So, we must know this to get the eternal life.
    God let us know that the way to get the eternal life through the living creatures in this world.
    let’s confirm this fact through the book of revelation.

    Rev 4:11 for you created all things, and by your well they were created.

    God created all thing by his will, and his invisible power and divine nature are
    cleary seen through what has been made.
    there are so many living creatures in the world; birds flying in the sky, fishes
    swimming in the sea, and various animals running on the wide open field.
    then, what was His will?
    birds flying in the sky have their mothers and fathers, fishes swimming in the ocean also have their mothers and fathers, and so many animals running on the grass have their mothers and fathers, too.
    all living creatures surely have their mothers and fathers. especially they are given life through their mommies
    through this common providence of creation of all things, God reveals a certain
    will of him. God want us to know His will.

    as you know, life is given to us by our farther and mother. our mother is the major life giver who finally gives us life through birth.
    what is God’s will in creating mother as the main life giver, not the father?
    just as our physical mother gives us physical life, so must our spiritual mother
    gives us eternal life.

    As you know, many people said that God is the only one.
    They Said, God is only father, not the mother.
    However, through the history of creation in six days in Genesis, we can clearly find out the existence not only God the Father but also God the Mother.

    Ge 1:26-27 God said , “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.”
    … in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

    nowadays, almost all churches insist that only one God the father created man and all things by himself.
    but, in genesis, the first book of the bible which is God’s revelation.
    God said ” let us make man in our image, in our likeness…”
    he didn’t say, “I will make man in my image..”
    through this, we can understand that God is plural-more than one.

    and verse27

    male and female were created in the image of God.
    when we refer to verse26 ‘ in our image ‘
    this word implies that there are multiple images of God-both male and female images of God.
    as we call male God ‘father’
    when people pray for God’s blessing, they call, “our father in heaven.”
    why is God called ‘father’?
    because he gives us life and breath; through him we came into existence.
    then, only father God alone gives us our spiritual life?
    God the creator said “let us…”God refers to himself as ‘we’ not ‘I’
    we are not created in the image of a singular God, but in the images of plural God.
    this can be understood through male and female created in God’s image.
    the male God we call ‘father God’ then, how about the female God?
    what do you think? think about it!
    If we are the God’s children, children of promise, shouldn’t we call her ‘God the Mother?
    the bible clearly reveals the existence of God the mother through this God’s creation work.

    let’s sturdy more about mother’s appearance on earth through the book of the Revelation.

    Rev 19:7 The wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.

    This is to take place after Jesus’ Ascension. so, surely the Lamb stands for the second coming Jesus, our spiritual father. then, who is His bride then? let’s find out.

    Rev 21:9-10 ‘Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”… and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

    When the Apostle John received the Revelation about the wife of the lamb. the Angel told him that I will show you the bride, the wife of the lamb. and then, He show him the Holy city, Jerusalem.
    Considering this verse, we can see that the wife of the lamb is heavenly Jerusalem.
    The bride is heavenly Jerusalem. she will come down from heaven to the earth. so, if we are the children of the Lamb our Father, she naturally our heavenly mother.
    let’s see what the relationship is between the heavenly Jerusalem and us.

    Gal4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free(In heaven), and she is our Mother.

    The Jerusalem that is above means the Jerusalem in heaven.
    The children of promise must have not only God the father but also God the mother.
    Just as we cannot received physical life without our physical mother, so too we can never received eternal life without our spiritual mother, heavenly Jerusalem.
    In these last days, We can get the salvation, eternal life only through our heavenly mother.
    therefore, please believe in heavenly mother who gives us eternal life so that we may go back to the heavely kingdom, our eternal home.

    if you want to more about the hidden truth in the Bible, Please contact this website.
    http://usa.watv.org/

    if you contact this website, you will understand more about the church of God and the truths in the Bible.
    thank you for your leading. and may God bless you~!

  53. Eveyday is important, not certain days. The way that it is wriiten, gives me the impression that it wasn’t written during, yet it is told in a form of a bed time story.

    Well James, I guess you’re pretty familair with the Bible, so here goes.

    Although much of the Bible is told a narrative, such as Genesis, Kings, the Gospels and Acts, others are in different genres.

    Psalms and Proverbs and Ecclesiastes are known as poetry and advice, Leviticus is mostly laws, Isaiah and the minor prophets and Revelation are mostly prophecies with some background, the letters of Paul and others are instructions.

    Each has a different purpose, even the naratives. For example, the Gospels primarily serve to tell the good news of Jesus’ ministry, not His entire life story, and with His disciples only being a side story.

    For a much more detailed account, you could take the journeys of Paul as recorded in Acts. The same writer probably compiled Luke too, which is the most detailed of the Gospels.

    And yo uhave to take into account the style of writing at the time. The writers would omit or include details according to their own sensibilities, and edit words according to their intended audience. Mark wrote a very Jewish-oriented Gospel (lots of unexplained rituals), Matthew a very Gentile-oriented one (explanations of Jewish customs included).

    And of course, the writers may not have copied down events and speeches immediately. Luke compiled his book mostly from eyewitness interviews and likely the documents that would become Mark’s and Matthew’s Gospels.

    Altogether, the Bible’s main purpose is not as a diary, or even as a history book. It is a set of instructions and examples of God’s plans for us, and includes just enough selected background for us to reflect on His guidance throughout the ages.

  54. The disciples had to get some “alone time” at one point or else Judas wouldn’t have been able to get Jesus captured/arrested. The event that took place where Judas made a deal with the chief priests to betray Jesus,(Matthew 26:14-16). Also this events appears to be the only event recorded where none of the disciples were around Judas when he made this deal to have Jesus captured.

    If the Gospels and start of Acts are true (and remember, the Apostles followed a man who preached truth, and they were willing to die for their claims), then Jesus rose from the dead and spent 40 days among them.

    This would have been the time for Him to inform them on the missing parts, such as His time alone in the garden of Gethsemene or 40 days fasting in the desert before He met any of His followers.

    And if Jesus told them about his day when they were not around, they would have written it in such a way where it would perhaps say, “And Jesus told to me, he went into the mountain and meditated.” Or “Jesus said to me that he was tested by Satan and Satan said blah blah blah.”.

    True, it was written as if the writer were telling a story. But it was intended to be a story – a message read out loud to the congregation.

    Besides, most modern histories read the same way, even Wikipedia:

    After the second refusal from the Academy of Arts, Hitler ran out of money. In 1909, he sought refuge in a homeless shelter and by 1910 had settled into a house for poor working men.

    Hitler says he first became an anti-Semite in Vienna, which had a large Jewish community, including Orthodox Jews who had fled from pogroms in Russia. However, according to a childhood friend, August Kubizek, Hitler was a “confirmed anti-Semite” before he left Linz, Austria.

    So both a direct account (Hitler did so and so) and an indirect retelling (Hitler says, according to Hitler’s friend) can be used without breaking the flow of the narrative.

    Thanks for the comment though. Srsly, a great refreshment from the continuous Church of God scripture quotes and concoluted, much-thought-required-to-get-it explanations that seem to be a hallmark of theirs.

  55. Especially heavenlyindependence. So convoluted, argh! Is there such thing as a quick, simple, to the point explanation of core doctrine?

    If you want to more about the hidden truth about heavenly mother Jerusalem misinterpretation, Please contact Point 17 of http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/id21.html

  56. Scott,

    Hmm, perhaps you’re right, although Jesus explaining things further to his disciples could or should have been recorded as well. Perhaps it was and those who edited the Bible left it out. The Bible’s history goes too far back to come to anything final conclusions, which is why there’s always a debate.

    I’ve built a time machine, if I can only generate the 1.21 gigawatts to power the flux capacitor, I can go back in time and shake Jesus’ hand.

    :-)

    But, thanks for the quick break down on the Bible. You have explained it without judgement and subliminally forcing it on me.

    Much appreciated.

    – James

  57. Scott, I have already told you that what sets Ahnsahnghong apart from all the other fakes, is that he has fulfilled the prophecy in the Bible.

    Does that mean anything to you? Jesus fulfilled prophecy, that is why we can believe in him. Christ is testified about only through the Bible. The other false christs do not fulfill any bible prophecy.

    Anyways, I seem to have to make the same points over and over and over again. The truth is a foreign language to some I guess.

    If you have any questions about the prophecies of second coming Christ and our heavenly mother that you do not seem to be able to understand, then email me at bakster28@aol.com.

    And again James, what is your purpose? So you do not believe in the Bible. That’s great James, so let me guess, you do not believe in Ahnsahnghong?

    Yeah we got that James, so move on and do something constructive with your free time. I could go on and on about your foolishness.

    Don’t believe me? Email me and I will expose you for the fool that you are buddy.

    Bakster28@aol.com

  58. Scott, I have already told you that what sets Ahnsahnghong apart from all the other fakes, is that he has fulfilled the prophecy in the Bible.

    Indulge me, ryan. List down a few of the prophecies, I want to cross check whether the fakes also tried using those prophecies before.

  59. Well James, IMHO it’s quite unlikely that the current contents of the Bible were edited and censored in the style of James Brown’s Da Vinci Code.

    Here’s some arguments for the current Bible being faithful and accurate to the original writings:

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/was-the-bible-changed-reasons-why-it-could-not-have-been/

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2006/11/24/when-were-the-gospels-written-internal-evidence-from-acts/

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2006/08/16/isaiah-in-the-dead-sea-scrolls/

    And there’s actually such thing as fiction on someone who went back in time to meet Jesus – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behold_the_Man

  60. Ryan,

    When I said that I do not believe the Bible to be 100% God’s, means that I would view the Bible to be more men than a supreme being. Perhaps it was “written by God” we’ll never truely know. But if it was, it couldn’t been 100%. Probably 50% or less. Which is why it requires faith to believe in certain parts. And since humans live by their desires and insticts to want to destory and conquer, what is said in the bible about man’s destiny isn’t false but common sense.

    Man have been doing the same things for thousands of years. Wars, killing or just plain ol’ sin since the creation. As the COG’s story goes, “we sinned against God in Heaven”, which is supposed to be a sinless place, go figure. So if it is in man and angels to do these things, it would make sense to write something to try and stabalize this impulse and it would also be very easy to predict how man will end up if he doesn’t learn how to control these animal-like instincts.

    The temperament of a pitbull is a bit vicious and predictable and if you put it amongst 10 other pitbulls well, eventually a fight is bound to happen one day.

    As far as emailing you, I’m always on friend’s computer and I am very protective and cautious to whom I send emails to. I would hate to receive an email virus on a computer that is not mine to begin with.

    If you want to expose me for a fool, well do what you have to do. It would be best for everyone to see how much of a fool I am.

    You want me to question the bible to expose me as some non-believing, atheist, agnostic, satanist type person, when all along I’ve been questioning your god Ahnshanghong and you simply can not compare the two. Anyone that doesn’t agree you and has his own opinion, you will view the same way, it’s no surprise to me though. So expose me all you want, you know me no more than I know you, “Ryan”. Unless you’re God, right?

    btw, I’ve already stated my reason for being skeptic about Ahnsahnghong, the idol worshipper.

    – James

  61. The other false christs do not fulfill any bible prophecy.

    Well to the followers of those false Christs, they believe that they have fulfilled bible prophesies and they have shown their followers through the same bible that you are using.

    Who are you to tell those people that they did not fulfill them compared to someone like me that is saying that AHnshanghong didn’t fulfill prophecy? Appears that we are no different from one another, Ryan.

    Maybe you should find something better to do with your time instead of “persecuting” others, ehh?

    – James

  62. Hey Scott. You say “indulge me”. Look, if you have a mind to check out the prophecies of second coming Christ and believe in the only one who has fulfilled them, then I will go into detail with all the studies so you can study them carefully.

    But if you want to be indulged just so you can cross reference them with the false christs, then what is really your intention in knowing the prophecies?

    You are either seeking the savior of this age, the Age of the Holy Spirit, or your not.

    Let me ask you, have any of those people out there saying, “I am the Christ”, convinced you using bible prophecy?

    I assume the answer is no.

    Then I can show you that Ahnsahnghong is the second coming Christ, not because we want to make him Christ, but rather because he has fulfilled all the prophecies.

    Did the disciples “make” the man Jesus, the Christ? Or did Jesus fulfill what was written in the Scriptures?

    Even though they were persecuted and accused of being a “sect” or cult if you will, they had faith in the word of God and believed in the one who came according to the Scriptures.

    It is no different with second coming Jesus.

    So again I ask you, if you want to seek our savior in the age, the last age, then I can show you only using the Scriptures. I cannot show you any miracles, only the word of God.

    Romans 10:14 — How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

    16But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” 17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

    God Bless You

  63. And James, I can see that you do not correctly know what the Church of God teaches.

    You say that we teach it is not right to be baptized in the name of Jesus. That is 100% FALSE. Why don’t you get your facts right before you spew out such garbage.

    That is why I call you a fool. You persecute, and you don’t even the truth. How foolish.

    We follow Jesus’ command before he went up to heaven. Baptize them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

    According to the Bible, there is a time for everything. Everything under heaven is done according to God’s time, or God’s administration if you will.

    Now that the Age of the Holy Spirit has come and we now know the name of the Holy Spirit, we baptize in the name of the Father Jehovah, the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong.

    And if you understand the Trinity; Jehovah, Jesus and Ahnsahnghong are not different entities, but one.

    And yes you are correct, that Christ Ahnsahnghong did not baptize in the name of Ahnsahnghong.

    The savior’s name of each age only goes into effect after his death.

    While Jesus was alive, the disciples prayed in the name of Jehovah.

    When Ahnsahnghong was alive, we prayed in the name of Jesus.

    Maybe you should reexamine what Ahnsahnghong has revealed to us before you continue making your false accusations. Maybe you will then understand and believe.

    And yes you are correct. Obviously not everyword in the Bible is from God. Ahnsahnghong even taught this when he was alive. Some of the words in the Bible contain words of ignorance like from the book of Job.

    So from what is from the word of God, do you have faith? If you do, then you can come to receive the savior’s of this age.

  64. Ryan,

    I will first respect your space and sit back while you show and prove your case to Scott, before I respond to your post.

    – James

  65. Very well then James. I will gladly prove that Ahnsahnghong is second coming Christ according to the Scriptures.

    Please keep in mind that my goal is not to “convince” you that Ahnsahnghong is second coming Christ.

    If Ahnsahnghong did not fulfill prophecy, then I wouldn’t be here on these forums testifying that Ahnsahnghong is the Christ.

    I was very skeptical before I came to accept Ahnsahnghong as second coming Christ. I cannot stress this enough. Obviously we do not really know eachother and our backgrounds.

    First of all, I believe in the prophecies spoken of in the Bible because of the prophecies about who the antichrist is.

    The antichrist is prophesied in the book of Daniel and Revelation.

    If you do not know about this matter, then I should show you this first. This is why I believe in the word of God, which is the Bible.

    So now, I can say confidently that I believe in the prophecies of second coming Christ.

    Whether you believe or not, please understand that I believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong because of prophecy.

    Only the Bible testifies about the Christ, so consequently I only can put my faith in the Bible prophecy.

    Whether you choose to believe or not is obviously up to you.

    Think about this logically: If you do not know all the prophecies of the second coming of Christ, then how can you confidently say that Ahnsahnghong is not second coming Christ?

    Has any of the followers of the other “false christs” taken the time to try to prove to you that their so called christ is the true Christ?

    All I have is the word of God. If you do not believe after I show you the prophecies, then what more can I say?

    It is up to you my friend. Please have an open mind. With a fixed mind, we can never know the truth, whether it be about God or anything for that matter. Isn’t that true?

  66. Ryan,

    Do not take this the wrong way but this proof that you will be presenting is not for me, it is for Scott. The reason why I say this, is because we have been down this road many times before on previous forums. I just didn’t want to overload you with my response while you were tending to Scott, if and when he responds to you.

    I have nothing to prove to you as far as who you should and should not worship, that is your path in life. However, when my way of life is being threatened by way of being told that if I do not accept their belief, or I will be punished, similar to what you are telling everyone and similar to what other people in the world who worship men that claimss to be christs, then I will speak my mind. It just so happens that it is your church that this person close to me, happens to attend.

    If it was a different church whos members worshipped a diferent guy as christ, then I would not be here interacting with you on any level. I would be on a forum about another church that I feel happened to trick them into believing that the man they are worshipping is Jesus returned, by way of using the bible and fear.

    In other words, this is not personal. I would not have heard or cared for your church and if this person happened to join different church who worshipped some hispanic guy for example, instead of the COG. If that were the case, they would be in the same mind set as you and would also believe their god is true and your god Ahnsahnghong to be false, because they have been convinced through bible scripture this hispanic guy is christ returned.

    I can not convince or prove to this person that Ahnsahnghong is false neither can you convince or prove to the people who worship the hispanic Jesus, that he is false.

    Their belief and ability to question whether Ahnsahnghong is true or false falls on them and no one else, but even so, they will have to question the bible and perhaps would have to weigh their evidence with an ex member of the COG. They can not weigh their evidence with any other church or person but an ex member of the COG because that ex member once believed it to be true once upon a time. So the question would be, what caused this ex member not to believe it anymore?

    Words and advice by someone who actually walked in their shoes should relevant and more than enough to take heed to, compared to someone who is only looking from the outside-in and have never been a member of the COG at all.

    “Has any of the followers of the other “false christs” taken the time to try to prove to you that their so called christ is the true Christ?”

    Yes, twice. The person whom I once believed to be God never ever proclaimed it at all. It was more forced on him by people who were looking for something and this person openly and publicly expressed that he did not want people to worship him and that he was not God or the returned Christ. Another person never proclaimed himself to be God but started to put subliminal messages is the books that he wrote. After a while he changed from being a prophet or messenger to a person to be worshipped. In both cases, the bible was used.

    Who these people are is not important and I am not going to go any further into it. I’ve been down that road more than once. I debated with people about it, I tried “speading the good news” to other people who I felt needed to believe in “my god” at that particular time, to be saved. I’ve been there already and I will not go down that road again. It’s a waste of my time. How I was able to get out of both well, I stated to question my own beliefs, it just felt a little forced. I also started to wonder why people were calling my way of “religion” a cult and did my own digging as to why they were saying, what they were saying.

    Anyay, if it was not for my family member being a member of your church, I would not be here. I don’t even waste my time debating with the former members of the “cults” which I was a part of.

    But, that will not stop me from speaking my opinion if someone were to question my life. And since your church has the elements and characteristics of the cults that I was a member of, I will continue to question it.

    I won’t forget your question to me in regards to Ahnsahnghong baptizing people in Jesus’ name and why I have said those things. To me,it’s very obvious that he baptized people in Jesus’ name for if he didn’t, he would be revealing himself if he were to baptize people in his own name, yes I know that.

    I have more to say but I just wanted you to tend to Scott first, I didn’t want to overload you with my posts, including Scott’s postings asking his questions in response to you showing him your views.

    I will wait a bit to see if Scott responds to you. If not, then I will fully give my opinion to your post in regards to Ahnshanghong. Again, I’m not looking to be saved by someone’s god, and I am not looking to save anyone, I am just giving my opinion on the matter and that it’s.
    Then you can Scott can then proceed to do what you were doing before I crashed the party.

    – James

  67. Ryan,

    I will now present my opinion as to why I feel Ahnsahnghong could not have been a second coming that came to earth in “secret”. I will try my best to present this from as many ways as I can. Meaning, “If he did do such and such, this will be the effect or result” AND “If he didn’t do such and such, this will be the effect or result”.

    This will be a two or perhaps three part series. I just want to limit typing what has been said before.

    Ok to my knowledge and understanding of what your church teaches and from what I have heard from a family member whom I’ve had numerous conversations with on the subject, even meeting with a COG Deacon in person, to having the opportunity to read through a few books which Ahnsahnghong had written and from interacting online with a handful of COG members including yourself and reading through ex-members of the church testimonies, I have come to the conclusion that it would not be possible for any god to come in secret, unless he did not have a specific purpose and reason.

    If God were to come here to take a few days off for vacation, no one would know. But, if he came here for a reason or to “fulfill prophecy”, it would be impossible for him to maintain his hidden identity because of his words, but more so his actions.

    According to the COG, Ahnsahnghong came in “secret” and fulfilled prophesies from the bible. The story goes, that no one knew who he was until after he died. The average person hearing that a guy was here for 37 years and preached the gospels and taught the words of Jesus Christ, would fall for the story of him coming in secret simply because:

    1. He did not say that he was God.

    2. He did not refer to himself as the second coming.

    3. He did not baptize anyone in his name.

    4. He just didn’t give any directverbal indications or hints to cause people to see him as the second coming. Therefore, we can say that it is obvious that he not the second coming.

    However, if we were to review what he taught with what he did, we can then clearly see that Ahnsahnghong was giving obvious indications and hints that he saw himself as this second coming he preached and taught about. I would say that the clues were too obvious for anyone not to see what he was doing.

    This is one of those cases where the messenger becomes the one to be worshipped and sometimes along the way, many people develop some sort of “spiritual ego” where they elect themselves as the “chosen one” and feel that they have to take matters into their own hands and make things happen.

    In Ahnsahnghong’s case, I feel it is more myth added to the man, to enhance his status as a god and to nurture and help someone who is being recruited, to believe that he is indeed the second coming returned.

    1. Ahnsahnghong never said that he was God. – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon

    2. Ahnsahnghong was baptized at age 30, only to fulfill biblical prophecy – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon

    3. Ahnsahnghong fulfilled all of the bible prophesies this is said the second coming will do – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon

    4. Ahnsahnghong preached and taught that the second coming will “restore” the Passover and you will know who the second coming is by the “hidden manna”, which he apparently has brought – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon

    The list goes on and on and it’s just too many to type and I want to spare readers the agony of reading a bunch of tiny words that is more or less a waste of time. What I know about the church’s doctrine is not out of ignorance. It has been told to me by a COG Deacon after spending 3 long hours getting spoon fed myths with truths and truths with BS. Then, then sharing information with a family member who is a part of the COG and I like to include my own research on the net which I can read both views from ex-members and compare them with actual members.

    If it is not from a member of the COG or an ex-member, the information would not be as valid so I like to weed out the BS and what would be considered biased information from someone who is not a member, nor has ever communicated with anyone, whether family member or friend that is in the COG.

    Nothing that I say about Ahnsahnghong is out of ignornace because it was told to me by members themselves and from what I’ve been told does match to what you and other members of the COG post in forums. If that is the case then what ex-members say about Ahnsahnghong is also out of ignornace and what they say matches what I and many others have been saying all along.

    I will continue later with the rest.

    – James

  68. Part2: Comparing Ahnsahnghong the Myth, with Ahnsahnghong the Man.

    Ok I would suggest that people who are not yet familiar with the story of Ahnsahnghong, to read what an actual member believes about him and why. Whether if it’s going to the COG’s website to get a breakdown or reading what an actual member or members have posted about him. Either way, you must get familiar with his story, so there are no misunderstandings.

    I’m going to start with a brief examination of the Myth of Ahnsahnghong. In my opinion, a few things that I will mention may seem to not have an type of biblical significance or importance based on reality, the COG uses them to further strengthen and fuel the Myth of Ahnsahnghog.

    1. “Ahnsahnghong fulfilled prophecy when he was born unto non believers.”

    If I am correct, the COG believes that the second coming of Christ must be brought forth to this earth by two nonbelievers in God. These two nonbelievers are Ahnsahnghong’s parents. This event as they believe, would fulfill biblical prophecy.

    Please refer to:

    Luke 18:8 and Hebrews 9:28

    Those are a few verses (perhaps theres more) the COG use to prove their case on the Myth of Ahnsahnghong. They say, he will not find faith on Earth, meaning that he will not come here to worship and die for man-kind as he did over 2000 years ago, but to restore something that was lost.

    This “something” that was lost, is said to be the Passover, which was abolished by Constantine and was never to be heard from again. That is, until Ahnsahnghong built a church and started to observe it once again after centuries of it being abolished and no church on earth observed it before Ahnsahnghong did or else there would be no reason for Christ to return and restore it once again if it was not abolished, well as they believed and as Ahnsahnghong preached and taught to his congregation.

    Now I will try my best to cross examine that portion without being biased or subliminally pursuading anyone not to believe it.

    Ok throughout the bible, God punished those who did not worship him. That is pure and undeniable facts and there should be no need to paste verses to prove it. However, as God is well known for his anger towards Idol worshippers, it appears that he was happy and pleased with two people who were not believers nor followers of him and his Bible. These two people who were Buddhist, worshipped a false god, which may have included bowing down to an idol of their god.

    Yet, God was so pleased at what they were doing and allowed prophecy that has nothing to do with the religious beliefs of these two people, be fulfilled and allowed the woman to give birth to the second coming of Christ, which the COG would say is the Holy Spirit. While at the same time, the COG condemns any form of idol worship and even teaches that every religion including Buddhism is a false religion.

    Athough their god came from this falsehood and totally contradicts what God stood for in the Bible. Once again as I have done many times, I would like to emphasize the amount of people who were killed by God’s wrath for worshipping idols, pagan gods and just plain ol’ not believing in him. And till this day, a COG member will tell you with a straight face that any other church and/or religion is false and idol worship is a sin.

    There are no acceptions to te rule, well except for Ahnsahnghong and his parents and perhaps Mother Jerusalem and her parents too, of course.

    You know, the more that I sit here and type, the more I feel it is a waste of my time. There are just too many contradictions to accept or ignore to believe this. I’m sorry but I’m going to stop because it’s just too much to go through.

    I will leave it up to the readers to decide. You can visit the COG’s website here to learn a little abou them or perhaps visit them to get a better understanding without leaving the church baptized of course. If you’re going to take a sip then do just that, don’t drink the whole bottle. Meaning, if you’re going to go there and check it out then do just that, don’t allow yourself to get pressured into getting baptized.

    Anyway, check out the websites to view both sides

    COG’s website

    http://english.watv.org/who/index.html

    and

    ExCOG’s website

    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com//index.html

    I’m done talking about this for now.

    – James

  69. I’ve enjoyed reading this blog over the past few days because it’s given me a lot of tools to use to defend myself from the WMSCOD people who’ve recently started recruiting in my apartment complex.

    Scott and James, I couldn’t agree with you both more on your opinions about these zealots. They continually and repeatedly avoid answering the difficult questions because it would almost certainly expose them for what they really are, simply people like everyone else, confused and miserable seeking answers in the wrong places. I admire you both for standing up against these people because I’ve lost a good friend to a similar cult/sect.

    I must state right off the bat that, I do not believe that any version of the bible or any religious/spiritual texts have any validity or basis from which logical argumentation can be constructed. I believe this for various historical, archaeological, philosophical, scientific, geological, mathematical, and psychological reasons (and I’m not even going to attempt to explain them because they are so numerous and not all commonly agreed upon. I don’t want to debate, I’m here to share my experience).

    MY EXPERIENCE:

    I was approached by these missionaries like everyone else with the passover pamphlets and historical texts claiming to “verify/prove the bible” and I thought to myself, “well this should be interesting.” So I let them inside giving them the benefit of the doubt, they didn’t seem as if they were dangerous or anything. They were dressed very presentable and seemed like genuinely nice people. At first I thought they were Mormons being that I live in Arizona (which to my knowledge has a high population of them) so I was going to use this opportunity to find flaws in their logic and build my defense for future encounters. I soon realized they weren’t Mormons at all and must be some sort of sect of Christianity. It was hard to understand what they were trying to show me because neither of these 2 people could speak English fluently. So they started jumping from scripture to scripture over-viewing Nebuchadnezzar’s dream and how it relates to the book of revelations. By this time a few hours pass and another one of them shows up. This person whose name is Hector (forgot his last name) is helping start a church in Chandler, Arizona. (( IF YOU LIVE IN THE PHOENIX AREA, WATCH OUT FOR THIS GUY AND HIS CROONIES))

    Anyways, it got pretty serious when this guy showed up, with his “historical textbooks” and “mathematical facts” which all seemed wishy washy and EXTREMELY SELECTIVE in the biblical scripture they choose to analyze. (Scott, you made a really good point early on in this blog, “everything you quote from scripture [Ryan/John] can be turned around and used against you”.) It got even worse when he started bashing the Catholic Church. They attempted to convince me that the Roman Catholic church as it exists today fulfills the prophecy in revelations which states that “the Dragon” (Satan) will appoint “the Beast” (the Roman Catholic Church) to power. In effect, they claimed that the pope himself was a tool of the devil and backed it up with vague quotes from textbooks that they tossed around to one another, as if displaying “the Truth” in all its simplicity that everyone could easily “realize” if they just knew more about history. They even did some fancy mathematics with Roman Numerals on the Popes “official title” as leader of the church( i forget how it was pronounced) but the letter-numbers added up to “666”. Now at this point I was like, “Whoa, I didn’t sign up for this…” I mean, these are some serious accusations. I felt like I was deceived by these people and led on into taking the bait so they could unload this (on an impressionable/superstitious person) unexpectedly.
    At that time I can remember feeling really nervous and pressured into agreeing with them. I mean they wouldn’t even let me build up a defense before they went off on some tangent about why what they say is true and you cant deny it because the bible is infallible. Plus, they were in a rush, being that they are trying to set up a church in the area. I had given these people the benefit of the doubt, let them in my home, given them ample amounts of patience and attention hoping that I’d get a good philosophical discussion out of it. Instead I got a brick wall of scripture quotations and illogical rebuttals. They kept telling me that if I only let them explain more throughly that I’d see the “whole iceberg”, instead of “just the tip”.

    Firstly, I was offended, because by accusing the Catholic Church of being the tool of Satan they claim that a lot of my family members( who are some of the most truly benevolent people I have ever met aren’t worthy of “god grace” if they continue their religious practices.) I mean, the audacity and arrogance that these people is astounding. Especially since much of what they believe is based on pure speculation and a very liberal interpretation of highly selective, biblical prophecies.

    Secondly, before I told them that we needed to wrap up this session, they started pressuring me into getting baptized… AS IF! I still didn’t realize how crazy these people where at the time however, so when they asked if they could see me again in 1 week. I just wanted them to leave me alone so I lied and said it would be fine. They gave me some more pamphlets and I asked them for their website, which I noticed they were sort of reluctant to offer me. They said that I’d see some stuff on their that wouldn’t flatter their religion and may appear a little weird… O RLY?! I WONDER WHY? maybe because they’re a cult and they don’t want you to know…?!

    I did some research and read what people were saying and from what I can tell, they deceive naive people into accepting their fundamentals as truth and slowly get them ready for the mother load. In the mean time they suck all the available money/resources out of them in order to finance a community center establishing a base of command in each new city increasing the telescoping effect of their religions growth.

    THEY CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT OUR ETERNAL SOULS BUT THEY ARE TRULY DRIVEN BY OBTAINING POWER AND CONTROL OVER YOU THROUGH THEIR ORGANIZATION. YOU CAN ATTEMPT TO DISGUISE THIS FACT BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT ALL HUMANS ARE GUILTY OF SEEKING CONTROL OVER ONE ANOTHER.

    Some simple fundamental questions have been proposed on this blog previously, and the WMSCOD representatives have avoided them entirely. Why is that? Why do you think that they avoid these simple questions? It’s because they genuinely do not believe that they are wrong. ( no shit right?) So you argue with them to try and convince them with MORE SCRIPTURE QUOTES? Guys, its not going to work. Religious fanatics don’t live in the real world… they don’t have to because in their minds magic and “the supernatural” explain everything they want to know about, “God fills in the empty holes in their logic” and when they die, their souls go to a magical place called heaven that’s made out of light and clouds and hang out with god and jesus who both wear white robes and sandals.

    People NEED to have a set of beliefs in order to make sense of their lives. It doesn’t matter what it is that they believe AS SO LONG AS IT WORKS.

    So honestly how do you convince a crazy person he’s crazy when the crazy person doesn’t even know he’s crazy?!” *sigh*

    If you really want enlightenment or seek the truth you won’t find it in thousand-year-old texts or ancient manuscripts. You find truth through scientific experimentation and observation. To seek the truth is to question EVERYTHING. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT CAN NOT BE PROVEN!

    (If you disagreed with anything I said feel free to respond.)

  70. You are right James, no one can convince anybody of anything. It comes down to whether you believe in the word of God or not. This so called “hispanic” Jesus has not fulfilled prophecy nor does he claim to.

    So you could automatically cancel him out. That is not my opinion, but rather based on the Bible.

    Second coming Christ must fulfill prophecy, period.

    As I keep repeating over and over, it is up to YOU whether you want to believe in the Bible or not. It is not anybody’s job to convince.

    And Chad, God’s people hear what God (the Bible) says. We show you what is in the Bible, and you say it could be used against us.

    Then let’s see big guy. Show me.

    You people talk a big game, but that is about it. The Bible is our sword and the truth will expose your faleshood everytime buddy.

    I noticed something, people like James and Chad are really good at “attempting” to disprove certain beliefs. But it is funny, because when I sit here and listen to go against the truth, it just exposes your ignorance so clearly.

    The truth is not meant for everybody. If you do not believe, then that is to bad. But do not make fools out of yourselves and try to argue the truth with foolish arguments.

    If you want to make a fool out of yourself like Chad, then go ahead, I enjoy it.

  71. Ryan,

    It is not that I can not argue against the claims of Ahnsahnghong, it is just that it would be too much to go over and type. I’m better off dedicating a website on the subject but there’s already one courtesy of Ex-members of the COG and very informative seeing how it is written from an ex-member’s point of view and experience.

    As far as the hispanic Jesus and any other people claiming to be Jesus. Well, how can someone claim to be Jesus without showing and proving it through the bible? They must have shown their followers bible scripture that would back up their claim of being Jesus and that inlcudes whatever prophecy that they want their followers to believe they fulfilled.

    Nothing hard about doing that. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do it. And i’m speaking from my own personal experience as well. So I am not “attempting” something impossible, because it has already been done and written very well I must say.

    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com//index.html

    I’ve noticed something as well, people like you are also good at trying to use the bible as a weapon. It can be used against anyone. Which is why alot of chirstians like to use it against other chirstians to prove there hypocrisy. The bible is alot of christians “swords” which can be used against people, believers and non believers.

    I see it’s usage similar to the way someone totes a gun, which is meant to intimidate and stir fear into someone. Here’s the “truth”, the truth is I am not argueing against the bible..period. I am argueing against Ahnsahnghong. Nothing more, nothing less. You want me to argue against the bible, it feeds your purpose and perhaps your ego.

    Let’s argue about Ahnshanhgong’s kids and whether if they believe he is the second coming or not.

    Let’s argue about Ahnsahnghong’s parents and Mother Jersusalem’s parents and whether if they believed and worshipped the God of the bible. And why God (who despise idol worshippers) would interact or have prophecy fulfilled through people who didn’t care not one bit about him or his bible.

    That’s either a contradiction on God’s part or a misunderstanding of man’s part, mainly South Koreans.

    Let’s argue about how Ahnsahnghong wrote and preached for 37 long years to his congregation, that must have consisted of people who were blind, deaf, and sock puppets to not notice or be ware that they were observing a holiday that Ahnsahnghong said to have been abolished, which only the second coming christ can restore.

    That’s the only way to make sense of it. He must have been preaching to the blind, the deaf, and a bunch of sock puppets.

    And how Ahnshanghong preached that the second coming will be the one to “restore” the same holiday that they were observing. You can not preach about something being abolished and tell your congregation, that only the second coming of christ will restore this holiday WHILE making the people observe this holiday.

    That’s similar to me having followers and I preach and taught them for 37 years, that only the “True Divine Baker” can make a double chocolate cheese cake, which is something that has never been made for over 1000 years. Now, for 37 years of teaching that only the True Divine Baker can make this, I am also making this double chocolate cheese cake and presenting it to my followers to eat and enjoy once a year.

    At some point one or all of my followers will question me asking, “how are you able to make this double chocolate cheese cake which only the True Divine Baker can make??”

    Or in Ahnshangong’s case, “How are we able to observe the Passover, if only the second coming can restore it??”

    People are not that blind and stupid, atleast I would hope not.

    That being said, Ahnsahnhong’s congregation were observing this Passover while he was alive, yet they didn’t know that they were observing it? Wasn’t Ahnshanghong’s church the only church to observe it? Were the people in his congregation that, sorry to say..STUPID???

    Yes, they must have been. They were too stupid to not be aware that their own church were observing this holiday that was preached and taught to them for 37 long years to be abolished, by the same person who built the church and made it manditory for his congregaton to observe and keep it because “Jesus said so”.

    Stop, stop, stop using the bible as a distraction to cover up the stupidity of these Korean folks whom Ahnsahnghong preached and taught for 37 long years, that only the second coming can restore this holiday (passover) while forcing them to observe it or else face God’s wrath.

    I’ve read some of his books, I know what he wrote. I have even posted some of this stuff on a few other forums. It would be foolish for me to believe this joker is worthy of me worshipping.

    I see the type of person you are, Ryan. You ignore everything else except for what you have been taught.

    Perhaps you’re a sock puppet as well.

    – James

  72. To the sock puppet, Ryan.

    Ahnsahnghong preach and taught about the Passover being abolished and said that only one individual (Jesus returned) can “restore” it, while at the same time, forcing his congregation to observe the Passover this is said only Jesus can “restore” and no one else. Sounds like someone was making a bold statement.

    In 1964 Ahnsahnghong bult his first church, making Passover manditory to his congregation. How do I know, because it says on the COG’S website under the menu Welcome > History, that in 1984, Ahnsanghong observed Passover in Seoul, Korea.

    If this was 1966, two years after Ahnshanghong built his church and I joined his church and was preached to taught by Ahnshanghong personally, that the purpose of the second coming of christ will be to come back and restore the Passover which he (Ahnsahnghong)as head pastor and owner of the church is making us (his congregation)observe, I would then start to wonder:

    How are we able to observe the Passover that is said to have been outlawed and only the second coming of chirst can restore and is also said to be the sign of who the second coming is and what his purpose would be when he returns???

    They keyword is Passover. If Ahnshanghong taught that the one to restore it, is the second coming of christ, then how is it possble that no one knew that Ahnshanhgong was this so called second coming, out of all that he taught and preached and especially what they were doing which was observing the Passover?

    Ahnsahnghong preached that christ will come in secret but how is that even possible if the key component is the Passover, which is said no other church were observing?

    Christ coming “in secret” to do something so noticable as restoring something so noticable and is said to have been outlawed, isn’t exactly “coming in secret”. A blind bat would be able to see the connection.

    If Ahnsahnghong wrote in his books that Jesus will return in secret and if you believe that Ahnshanghong is him returned, then how exactly was he persecuted as your church claims that he was?

    The story goes that no one knew who he was until after he died. You can not persecute someone that is said to come in secret and even his own congregation were not aware of, so how was he persecuted and by whom??

    A guy who came in secret was persecuted…huh???

    There, I’ve asked a few things without including one bit of bible scripture.

    – James

  73. Chad,

    I agree. I hate to sound so redundant but that’s what it takes for Jim Henson’s Muppets to understand. One of being Beeker aka Ryan.

    I felt that I had to respond to him previously but he will ignore what I’ve asked and question my belief in the bible, instead of thinking about what I’ve written.

    I was practically done here but apparently he likes the attention. This is persecution to him.

    – James

  74. Ya man, trying to argue is a waste of time.

    All I can really offer is some information, a book:

    “Choice Theory” – by William Glasser

    Read it or don’t read it, but In my opinion it makes a lot more sense than the Bible and (if you believe in Jesus) it may help you to understand how He wanted us to behave.

    WE NEED A NEW COMMON SENSE, NOT A NEW RELIGION!

  75. Wow, you people just do not get it. It is like talking to a wall.

    But what shall I expect talking to people who do not belong to God. Their are children of light and children of dark.

    Children of God and children of Satan. Read the Bible.

    Your babble speak and convoluted logic is more than I can bare.

    But it’s all good because YOU ARE GOD!
    I feel sorry for you fools.

  76. This is what you garbled.

    “That’s similar to me having followers and I preach and taught them for 37 years, that only the “True Divine Baker” can make a double chocolate cheese cake, which is something that has never been made for over 1000 years. Now, for 37 years of teaching that only the True Divine Baker can make this, I am also making this double chocolate cheese cake and presenting it to my followers to eat and enjoy once a year.

    At some point one or all of my followers will question me asking, “how are you able to make this double chocolate cheese cake which only the True Divine Baker can make??”

    Or in Ahnshangong’s case, “How are we able to observe the Passover, if only the second coming can restore it??”

    People are not that blind and stupid, atleast I would hope not.

    That being said, Ahnsahnhong’s congregation were observing this Passover while he was alive, yet they didn’t know that they were observing it? Wasn’t Ahnshanghong’s church the only church to observe it? Were the people in his congregation that, sorry to say..STUPID???

    Yes, they must have been. They were too stupid to not be aware that their own church were observing this holiday that was preached and taught to them for 37 long years to be abolished, by the same person who built the church and made it manditory for his congregaton to observe and keep it because “Jesus said so”.

    Stop, stop, stop using the bible as a distraction to cover up the stupidity of these Korean folks whom Ahnsahnghong preached and taught for 37 long years, that only the second coming can restore this holiday (passover) while forcing them to observe it or else face God’s wrath.”

    You see, you just do not get it.

    First of all you do not believe in the prophecies of the Bible. So why would you believe in the one who has fulfilled them?

    Any attempt by you to discredit him as second coming Christ is ridiculous because you do not even believe the Bible.

    Haven’t I already explained this to you? Why do you continue to embarrass yourself and write such nonsense with your “True Divine Baker” example.

    YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN BIBLICAL PROPHECY!!

    EARTH TO JAMES!

    Yes James, I believe in the Bible, and history and science support the Bible. That is what I believe. You obviously do not. The destiny of your spirit after this physical life will not be such a nice place.

    That is why I feel sorry for you.

  77. Psalms 53:1 — The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

    Proverbs 18:2 — A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.

    Psalms 74:22 — Rise up, O God, and defend your cause; remember how fools mock you all day long.

    Psalms 92:6 — The senseless man does not know, fools do not understand,

    Proverbs 1:7 — The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
    but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

    Proverbs 10:18 — He who conceals his hatred has lying lips,
    and whoever spreads slander is a fool.

    Proverbs 14:8 — The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways,
    but the folly of fools is deception.

    Proverbs 24:7 — Wisdom is too high for a fool; in the assembly at the gate he has nothing to say.

    Proverbs 26:5 — Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.

    1 Corinthians 2:14 — The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Proverbs 12:1 — Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid.

  78. Thanks for not answering my questions moron. You can’t even answer simple questions that you don’t have to use the bible for.

    If you don’t know the answer then say so, stop throwing bible verses at me dude. The questions that I’ve asked has nothing to do with you using the bible to answer.

    I’m done with you, man. Keep it moving.

    – James

  79. Awww, poor baby doesn’t like Bible verses.
    Your done huh??

    You are pathetic bro.

    Ok, then. Let’s put Ahnsahnghong, Jesus, Jehovah, the Bible aside.

    Do you WANT to believe that there is a higher power?
    Do you believe in creation or so called “evolution”

    What is your faith?

    What are your convictions?

    Let me sit back and hear where you are coming from. Im all ears to hear what you believe. Like I said before, I always struggled with believing that there was an absolute truth such as the Bible.

    Now I believe for reasons I can show you if you are willing.

    It seems as though you have a problem with the notion that there is a higher power governing our destinies.

    If that is so, then that is your belief. But do you have an open mind to believe that there may be a higher power at work? and if so, do you think that the Bible may actually be the word of God as it claims to be?

    It is only natural that I use Bible verses since I believe in the word of God.

    If you want to steer the convesation outside the “Bible”, then that is fine. Go for it.

    I can hang brother.

  80. Thanks.

    I’ll be Mr. Pathetic and you can be Mr. Moron.

    How’s that?

    I want you to explain a few things to me Ryan, so that I can see as clear as you do.

    Explain the term “came in secret”.

    Does it mean no one in the world knew who Ahnsahnghong was when he was alive?

    Does it mean no one in S.Korea only, knew who he was when he was alive?

    Does it mean back in 1964-1985, no one in his congregation knew who he was when he was alive?

    Please fully explain (with examples if possible) this “coming in secret” thing, because I’m so pathetic and not one of “God’s chosen” and I so want to be one of “God’s chosen”.

    THEN I want you to tell me if Ahnshanghong’s congregation saw him as THE same christ he preached to them about in the bible when he was alive EVEN THOUGH he preached that THE second coming of christ would return IN THE LAST DAYS to “restore” the same Passover that he (Ahnsahnghong) had them observing.

    If his congregation did see him as THE christ, how does it explain him coming in secret and no one knowing who he was until AFTER he died?

    If they didn’t see him as THE christ he spoke of to bring salvation, then who were his congregation waiting for to “restore” the Passover, if Ahnsahnghong had them observing it already?

    Answer those questions in full detail please. These questions are based on his real life history which only those from his congregation in 1964-1985 should have the complete answers to, but since you know this guy so well to worship him, I am expecting you to answer them completely. Then I will compare your answers with a family member’s.

    When you are finished, you can then go into explaining how somone who “came in secret” was persecuted by people, because I’m totally baffled by that as well. We’ll get into that after you answer the simple questions above.

    I see your little game of hook-reel-and sinker. I’m only feeding into your sarcasm and responding to you in hope of getting some REAL answers.

    It doesn’t take the bible to answer those questions. This guy’s life isnt so biblical and holy, so please refrain from spewing bible verses, they do not answer my questions on any level.

    The End

    – James

  81. If someone from the ahnsahnghong, can get back to me. I am interested in learning about The Church of God believes. Please let me know where I can meet so that you can explain to me about your church.
    I hope to hear from you at soon as you can.
    Sincerely,
    Madeline

  82. HEY ALL OF YOU ON THIS LONELY WEB SITE
    YOUR ALL GONNA DIE
    AND GO TO HELL ANY WAY FOR BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT HOPE YOU FIND IT COMFY THERE..
    ICHINOSEKI

    • Shut the fuck up. You’ll be there first of all for worshiping a FAKE GOD. Nothing more than a typical CULT. Fake as Jim Jones and Moon, Sung Yung xerox copy. Fucking Koreans got some motherfuckin nerve comin here to the United States of America, who grants them their existence, talkin bout Jesus was a Budhist that had multiple bitches, multiple kids, that was Baptized in a Cult and predicted the Second coming of the real Jesus 3 times, IS JESUS. You got to be a stupid motherfucker believing that shit. Sorry motherfuckers brainwashing poor welfare mothers and college kids away from home for the first time. Taking their much needed money and shipping out of this country Tax Fuckin Free to the queen fucking Whore back in Korea. Ain’t that some motherfuckin shit.

      • ROCKBOOTY, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE, TAKE ALL THAT HATE, AND NEVER BRING THAT TO A SERIOUS ADULT BLOGGING, WE WILL PRAY FOR YOU, GOD BLESS YOUR TROUBLED MIND, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT MAKE ANY!!!! SENSE……….THIS IS A CHURCH CONVERSATION, TAKE THAT LITTLE KID THUG MENTALITY AND PLEASE GO ON MYSPACE OR SOMETHING, THIS IS NERVE WRECKING AS IT IS

      • WHEN PEOPLE WERE KICKING AND SPITTING AT JESUS AND PERSECUTING EXACTLY WHAT YOUR DOING, WHEN HE DIED ON THE CROSS AT THAT MOMENT, THEY REALIZED THAT THEY KILLED THE MESSIAH, BECAUSE OF THE PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, BUT TIT WAS TOO LATE, THEY KILLED GOD, YOU ARE SERIOUSLY IN ALOT OF TROUBLE, MOTHER AND FATHER ARE COMING WITH A HUGE WRATH, NORTH KOREA NUCLEAR WARFARE, DESTRUCTION FROM THE NORTH, A POWERFUL ARMY, A STRONG MILITARY WITH NO MERCY, JEREMIAH, ISAIAH, READ THOSE TWO BOOKS, NORTH KOREA ALREADY DID, 4 NUCLEAR TESTS ON UNITED STATES, THE CHURCH OF GOD HAS BEEN PROCLAMING THIS SINCE 1984, ITS ALL OVER THE NEWS NOW, DO YOU WANT EXACT SCRIPTURES

      • Now that is funny Rockbooty. Although you should of left the bad words out. You should read my experience at the church of god when I was in there for 7 months. Did you know the Mother goddess sister was a church money embezzler?

  83. Ryan,

    I am still waiting for you to respond to my last post and give me those answers in full detail with examples.

    and

    XXX,

    If you want to stab something, you can take a stab at answering those questions from my previous post above. Try doing that instead of sending me and others DEATH THREATS on the skepticism site in order to shut us up and stop us from exposing your false god.

    It’s a shame what you people have to resort to. Killing me won’t stop others from postings and I’m still waiting for your god to destroy me as well. I’ve already told you to pray to him to do it.

    – James

    • OKAY WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS I CANT GO TO ANOTHER SITE TELL ME PLEASE KING JAMES

  84. Ryan you said:

    “There are many prophecies in the Bible, that second coming Christ will bring back the Passover. This will be like his identification card so we can recognize the true Christ from among all the false Christs in the world.”

    ———

    How can someone come in secret, yet give himself away by teaching of Passover and making his congregation observe the Passover as well, which would be his “identification card” to recognize the “true Christ” from the false.

    So his congregation from 1964-1985 didn’t recognize him yet he showed his “identification card” which would be preaching of the Passover and having his congregation observe it. They were observing the Passover, how many more clues would they have needed to see him as the Christ?

    I honestly don’t understand this “coming in secret” story and how no one knew who he was until after he died.

    Ok so why didn’t his congregation see him as the Christ back then?

    I really don’t get it.

    Ryan, I will ask my family member who is in your church and I will post their answer, which might not be much seeing how it’s a bunch of contradictions.

    You need to get back to me with those answers, I really don’t like unsolved mysteries.

    – James

  85. hey James, I think you made your point by now… you aren’t going to win this argument acting like “INTERNET WARRIOR”. If you read that Cult Watch website you posted a while back it’ll say avoid swapping insults and try to get the victim to educate themselves through subtle questioning. You can’t throw insults @ these guys and expect them to admit that they are wrong, it only re-enforces their ideology. take a breather and try forgetting about this blog and the fanatics that post on it. They want your attention, it makes them happy to know that people care about what they do. Don’t feed em anymore.

  86. Hi Chad,

    I wasn’t looking to “win” an arguement, just looking for some real answers and if those answers were to make sense, perhaps I can understand where he’s coming from. But since I don’t think I will get them anytime soon, I will give this site a break.

    So, I see your point in that portion of your post.

    Thanks and my apologies,

    – James

  87. http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html
    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html
    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html

  88. What’s up all you COG haters out there. Haven’t checked out the site in a while. I’m getting married, and been stressin with wedding plans etc.

    Well, I see James that you still have questions. I dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Do you ask because you really want to know?

    Why do you ask such questions if you have already made up your mind about Ahnsahnghong? I dont get it.

    I will gladly explain what it means to come in “secret” using Christ Ahnsahnghong’s own teaching. You seem to take it literally, as if it means that absolutely no one will know who is second coming christ.

    You clearly do not understand what it means to come in “secret” so your attempt to find fault with our doctine is invalid. This seems to be a recurring theme with you James.

    You make arguments based on false information over and over again. Why don’t you just be quiet and just listen if you want to understand.

    You don’t understand because you do not want to believe in the one who has come.

    I feel like I am really wasting my time with you, but if I can correct the wrong ideas and understandings that you have about the Church of God, then maybe you would become a part of the heavenly family and we can be brothers.

    How does that sound James? I’m being serious. You want to compare my answer with what you get from your family. Why? You want to try find fault again, dont you?

    You say you just want to express your opinion, but why don’t you just be honest, and admit you are always trying to find fault with our doctrine, instead of trying to understand it.

    You might “say” you are trying to understand it, but you are not my friend.

    Whoever is posting those comments about going to hell and all that crap, we do not condone such actions. The reason I am here is for several reasons.

    1.) It bothers me that some people may turn away from the truth because of the nonsense and lies that are spoken on these sites.

    2.) Our message is salvation. I would love to see you accept this truth and be saved.

    3.) But for those false prophets out there, I will expose and rebuke.

    I don’t know what to consider you James. You persecute, then you ask questions like you really want to understand more about Ahnsahnghong’s teachings.

    I just pray that one day that Father and Mother will soften your heart and you will try to really understand what we teach.

    Anyways James, I will respond in regards to coming in “secret” shortly. I have been really busy lately.

    God bless you.

  89. That’s your problem, you want to figure me out and categorize me. Put in a box so to speak. I don’t understand because you people are not clear about what you believe and what you say.

    In one complete sentence, one word may be taken literal, while another word is not. I never knew “secret” had two meanings to it.

    All of that typing and you could have been answering my questions, yet you would rather wasting more time writing about why I want to know rather than helping me understand where you’re coming from. And to make it worse, you’re going to repeat what Ahnsahnhong wrote as if it weighs more than anyone else’s word.

    Please..do respond. I’ve been wanting this answered for over a year now..literally.

    – James

  90. Ryan,

    One last thing. If you are planning on giving me answers, please, please refer to the questions that I have posted above dated 8/11/2007, to avoid any repeated questions by me. Would save us both alot of time and trouble. And again please, explain what you mean in full detail and with examples so there wil be no misunderstanding on my part. I’m looking forward to reading the examples of the word secret using the dictionary’s definition and another example with the term that you are using it as in regards to Ahnsanhghong. One literal and another out of context.

    Umm..that’s it I guess.

    Thanks.

    – James

  91. From you what last wrote, it is clear you have no intention in understanding.

    You want to use the dictionary agains the word of God. Go figure.

    I have read all of your arguments about this whole “coming in secret” business. You just love to find fault without understanding.
    You said, “’m looking forward to reading the examples of the word secret using the dictionary’s definition and another example with the term that you are using it as in regards to Ahnsanhghong. ”

    You clearly do not have a mind to understand.

    James, why should I waste my time with you?? You have a narrow and arrogant mind. You will never understand the way of righteousness. Your wisdom only comes from the way of the world. I even have that. Maybe one day you will wake up.

    You are not seeking the truth. Therefore you will never find it. You are a lost cause my friend. Thank you for posting what you did. Now I dont have to waste my time with you.

    If you ever want to know the truth of why we are even here on this earth in the first place, then let me know.

    In the mean time, keep on hatin’. Sadly, that is all you know how to do.

  92. Ryan,

    I have said nothing wrong. I asked you to explain things so that I can understand what you mean since you are saying that I am using certain words or phrases in their literal or dictionary definition.

    Dude, what do you mean I don’t have the mind to understand? We are all capable of understand anything as long as it is fully explained. You’re bascially telling me or someone else to believe without question. I’m sorry but that’s not going to happen.

    Anyway, I would assume that this “coming in secret” term that you are using to prove your case would mean Christ coming down in flesh and not coming down in some glorious, spectacular way for everyone to see, as some people would believe, with lights and harps playing in the background. If that’s the way you are using the term “coming in secret” then that’s all you should have said.

    In a sense it would be coming in secret because he’s not coming down with power and great glory but “in secret” by being born in flesh, or a human body, so yes no one around the world would know that he came.

    However, using that as something to prove your case really doesn’t make any sense seeing how everyone who claimed to be Christ was in flesh. Every false christ around the world known and unknown are in flesh, so that term of coming in secret doesn’t hold any weight seeing how anyone can claim to be Christ for the simple fact that they are in physical bodys, hence “coming in flesh”. So doesn’t that mean that ALL of the false Christ also came in secret? I would say so.

    So the literal term secret which means no one knowing is dismissed because the word secret according to your church really means “coming in flesh”. Which still doesn’t explain the term “no one knowing who he was until after he died”.

    Apparently the word secret is used literally and out of context, to explain his appearance. Do you still think that I do not have the capacity to understand? I think I’ve covered both ways in which the word secret can be used and since you have explained to me that the word is not taken literally, then I can only go with the other explaination of him, which is, “him not coming down from the sky” or whatever.

    You can think what you want about me, it doesn’t matter. A person with a narrow mind doesn’t question everything, so I would say that I don’t have a narrow mind. A person who is arrogant thinks he’s right even when he could be wrong, that’s how big that person’s ego is. I’m not arrogant, seeing that I don’t know everything, which is why I question everything and if it doesn’t make sense to me then I will ask more questions until I understand.

    If what you say is the truth then you should have a problem explaining it because nothing can weigh against it. However, your church is using the term coming in secret in it’s literal meaning and out of context. That does not make sense. You can’t use both meanings, it’s either one meaning or the other, because if you are using both then it will clash. You can not use both terms without contradicting yourself and you know that if you were to explain it in full detail, that’s exactly what you will be doing.

    It’s one meaning or the other, not both. You can’t use the word secret to mean:

    1. No one knowing

    and

    2. Coming down in flesh and not in some glorious fashion from the sky.

    If the word secret refers to definition number 2, then how would you explain the fact that no one knew until AFTER he died, which then you would have to use definition number 1. Given the fact that the word secret is used once in a complete sentence, to mean two different things at the same time.

    That is just crazy, confusing, and contradicting.

    So that is why I am questioning you in regards to that small part of Ahnsahnghong. Not the bible, not Jesus, but Ahnshanghong..period.

    That’s all I have to say so, good luck on your marriage. You don’t have to respond by the way, I feel that I have an understanding of the story about C.A.S.H, I understand that it’s total BS.

    – James

  93. Chad,

    My younger brother has been with the COG for about a year now, and for the last several months he’s been going to Arizona to preach. I recently spoke to him and found out his “Deacon’s” name, Hector Flores and the other is Leo (?last?). I read your message where you said these people came to you house.

    I’m just really concerened and have been researching this religion for months now and the more I learn the more scared I become. My reasearch tonight has lead me to this website and I just thought I would try to get some advise on how I can help my brother basically be “deprogrammed” if that makes any sense.

    My brother is going to Korea the first week of October to see the mother christ and I am totally beside myself, b/c we are worried that he won’t be coming back. My entire family is scared to death. He’s so far away (in Cali)from us (Louisiana) and we can’t get him to.

    If you know of anyone or an organization we can contact for help, we would greatly appreciate it. Thanks and sorry to bother you.

    ~Jessie

  94. Oh dear. I’m sorry that I really don’t know any organization that can help you. I hope your brother remains alright.

    Perhaps you might try looking for an anti-cult organization, if they exist? I apologise again that I don’t know enough to help you.

    King James or anyone non-COG, would you be able to help?

  95. Hi Jessie,

    Sorry to hear about your brother. A family member of mine have visited South Korea in the spring. So, I can relate with you, however I can only offer you my opinon and a little bit of information.

    Ok in my opinion, I feel the best thing to do is to continue to educate yourself and don’t be afraid of getting yourself familiar with their doctrine, and their books. I’m not telling you to go and get baptized but read what they are saying and use your own rational judgement. It’s not for everyone, which is why everyone won’t accept it, no matter how “truthful” they claim it to be. The best thing to do is to try to understand him, which could be hard because they tend to dangle these “mysteries” and “secrets” over peoples head to keep them wanting to know more about a bunch of BS stories made up to enhance their gods (Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem) status. Then eventually, suggesting the person to go in and get baptized.

    I’m having a bit of trouble getting Ryan to explain the term “coming in secret”. I have an idea of what he means but I want him to explain it. Anyway, if your brother is a grown man, I don’t see how you or anyone else would be able to stop him from going to South Korea. A family member of mine went to South Korea and came back convinced that Mother Jerusalem is a god, but when the time is right, I will sit down with her and try to share information, communicate and ask her, if the church is so truthful, why are there ex-members? Something must be wrong. They might blame the person and make it seem as though it’s their fault for not understanding or losing their faith after two or five or even ten years of being a member.

    However, if the simple equation of 1+1=2 represents truth, how many people in the world are disagreeing with this truth…none. So if their church and doctrine also represents truth, there shouldn’t be any disagreements and there definately shouldn’t be ex-members. Actually, there should be no such thing as an ex-member from their church, especially after someone has been a member for two or five or even ten years.

    So yea, something is not right.

    The second thing that I suggest is to perhaps speak with an ex-member. Find out why this person left, actually find out everything you can from them. The best information that you can get is from someone who has already walked in that particular path already. Information from anyone else wouldn’t be valid, in my opinion.

    If you can, you can contact an exmember who created this site based on his experience as well as other ex members and their experience in the church.

    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html

    That’s probably the best that I can do for you, hope I’ve helped just a little. Your brother now believes the world will end very soon, so don’t be surprised at some thing that he will do that may seem odd or weird to you.

    – James

  96. Ryan/John/Hector ~

    Can you tell me why all COG members sound the same? Like a broken record? While reading your blogs, I felt like I was talking on the phone with my brother. There is soooo much to learn about the bible and GOD yet when I read something from the COG it’s the same stuff over and over.

    I’m just curious and thought I’d ask.

    Jessie ~

  97. Oh please! If members of the church of god are such strong beleivers what are you doing checking on peoples comments. then you really must be a cult because if you werent you wouldnt care what people say. Dont worry, someone will put an end to this crap, if not God (himself). you are a total disrespect for everything christ has established, and Gods anger will be shown for worshiping this idol that you call mother jerusalem. my advise is read 1 Corinthians 14 vs 33-35 and decide for yourself (not the Church because the church is not going to give you eternal life, and definetely not mother, it will be your faith) whether God would preach as a woman. I pray that you will come out of the darkness spread by this church. i went there, but God reveals the truth about false prophets, and this ahnsanghong is no exception. please get out of this cult before its too late.

    • you’re right because i was also a victim of this .. and i was baptized by them.. i told them that i was already baptized but they told me about the re baptizing. i couldn’t sleep for a few nights thinking about this. and i always to pray to God that he will guide me..
      one day when i was out of our school these two Korean girl called me and they told me to go to their church .. so i went home immediately and went to their church..they told me about the Sabbath .because that day was saturday.. i stayed there and joined them 7-8:30pm worshiping . . when i was to leave i saw a church . . and i don’t know .. it seems that someone is forcing me to enter that church .i saw a kid and asked her if what is going on inside and she’s answering me but i don’t understand what she’s saying. so i waited for a few minutes outside that church. few minutes past. there was a lady who came out and looking for her daughter (the kid) . so i asked that lady .what church is that and she answer me.. i felt happy that time because i think i found the answer to my questions . and i know that God was the one who guided me that time .and the lady told me to come back tomorrow..so that’s what i did..i came back the next day (sunday) .i opened this to the pastor.(it was my first time to met the pastor) and he told me about the truth .. i almost cried when we prayed together and thanking Jesus Christ our God for guiding me and letting me out of this darkness ..so i texted the two korean girl that i’m not attending their church anymore. my experienced when they recruited me was the same to the post above..

      –God Bless. and I hope that everyone will know the truth..

  98. I just recently became a COG member. Reading so much on the church being a cult is disturbing, but makes me think twice about what i just got myself into… Everybody on this site seems like they just want something to argue about and are extremly disrespectful calling people stupid and pathetic… Why argue about our beliefs??? In the end I guess we’ll just see which one was the truth!

    • faith, i want to tell you that you’re heart knows the truth. and keep praying to God (not ahnsahnghong) that he will lead you to a right path and always guide you..
      God Bless..and hope you will find the answers.. :))

  99. Would you really want to wait until the end to find out whether what you believed in was truth or falsehood? Especially since it involves an eternity of happiness vs one of suffering?

  100. Well when you think about it everybody believes that their religion/beliefs are going to bring them to paradise, but which one is the real truth?? There are hundreds of religions out there, and everything the COG tought me was writen in the bible in black and white, who am I to question the word of God??? So which religion is truth and which is false? Nobody knows for sure, but say this is the “truth,” then we all know what happens to the people who doubted it right??? And if it is “false” then yes it’s obviously going to be too late in the end, but I’m willing to take my chances… Like I said before, everybody thinks that their own beliefs/religion is going to bring them to paradise, and honestly no one will know the REAL truth until our ending days.

  101. Faith writes: “who am I to question the word of God???”

    ——-

    Well obviously no one according to your own beliefs. But if you think about it, how can you offend someone who apparently “knows all”? The only way that you can offend someone with a question is by asking it to a person who claims to know everything, yet out of frustration, they get angry at you for asking the question because they do not have the answer. Which means you have exposed them for not “knowing all”.

    Hence, any preacher, teacher or parent that would tell someone in their congregation, student, or child to not ask such questions. Basically, DO NOT TO QUESTION AUTHORITY and since God is the “ultimate authority”, you shouldn’t question him.

    But why not? Someone who “knows all” would just answer the question if they really knew, without any resistance. Doesn’t make sense for someone to know all that exist only to get angry at questions.

    Why are you to question? Well, i’ll tell you. You ARE SOMEONE who wants to know, that’s who you are.

    We all need to stop creating our own low self esteem issues.

    – James

  102. http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/

  103. A saying goes as follows.”Look before you leap”. This is what i have to say to most of the people proclaiming the church of god to be a cult.
    The following verse is what most of them take to criticize the church of god Galatians 1:8 Paul said; But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
    Yes the one teaching other that Gospel shold eternally be condemned.

    But wait a sec.

    To whom is Paul referring to????

    To church of god who does what exactly the bible testifies or the one who are just following the cult of celebrating the christmas, sundayworship,etc. I think the people should just first look at themselves before judging others.

    And our father and mother truly are the Lord.

    In Luke 18:8 he said that noone will believe in son of man(Jesus) when he will come again.

    in rev 3:12 he said that he will come to earth again with a new name and surely guys whose home is the eternal hell surely wont beleive in him.

    He said in matthew 24:30-31 that he will come in clouds.The real cloud or is it just a parable.

    if u look in matthew13:34 u will see that he said all the things in parable.

    So what is represented by cloud in the holy bible?

    if u look in hebrew 12:1 then u will know that cloud represents the body. So he will come down to earth again in body to restore truth and to save the redempted ones.

    And for the time.

    if u look in matthew24:32 u will see that he will come when the fig tree shed its leaves.So what does fig tree represent?

    if u look in jeremiah24:5 u will find that frits of the fig tree represents the people of Isreal. Therefore the fig tree represents Isreal. There are many other verses like luke 13 :6, mark 11 :6 which testifies Isreal is represented by fig tree in bible. So according to prophecy the fig tree shed its leaves and Lord ahanshang hong at the age of 30(just like jesus) got baptized and start preaching the gospel. So I suggest the people to come in church of god and learn more about the prophecy of the second christ our Lord ahanshang hong and heavenly mother jeruslaem as mentioned in Galatians 4 :26 but the woman who is above is free and she is our mother and if u look at other bible it is written that the heavenly jerusalem represents Sarah and she is our mother.

  104. Today i wnat to make clear to all the people about the parable of the weeds and the good seeds of the heaven.
    If u look at Matthew 13:24-30 Jesus spoke about the good seeds of wheat and the weeds in parable.

    And the meaning of this parable is given in another verse.

    Lets check it in Matthew 13:36-43.
    So lets compare parable with meanings.
    Farmer – Son of Man(Jesus)
    Field – World
    Good Seeds – People of heaven
    Weeds – Evil ones
    Enemy – Devil
    Harvest – End of the world
    When farmer slept – When Jesus’ physical body died. (Related verses are Luke 8:52-The house was
    filled with people weeping and wailing. But he said,”Stop weeping! She isnt dead; She’s only asleep.) (JOhn 11:11-13- THen he said ,”our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep.But now I will go and wake him up.” THen disciples said,”LOrd if he is sleeping, he will soon get better! They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus has died.

    Now I think you are pretty clear about the meanig .
    Now lets find out the good seeds that Jesus farmed.
    1. Baptism
    Mark1:9 – He got baptized in the river.
    Baptism should be taken only by the sinners, but being a Lord and also not commited any sins why did he took baptism??
    If u look in JOhn 13:15- I have given u anexample to follow . DO as i have done to you.
    So we should follow Jesus’ example.

    2. Sabbath
    Mark1:11 – When Sabbath day came, he went into Synagogue and began to teach.

    3. Passover
    Luke22:7-18 He clebrated the passover according to the new covenant.

    4.Feast of Tebernacles
    John 7:2- But soon it was time for the Jewish Festival of shelters.(tebernacles)
    John 7:14 – Then midway through the festival Jesus went upto the temple and preach.

    5.Pentecost
    Acts2:1 – On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place. Suddenly there was a sound from heaven like a roaring of a mighty windstorm……………………………as the holy spirit gave then mighty ability.

    5. Covering of head by female
    1 Corinthinans 11:5 – But a woman dishonors Christ if she prays or prophesies without a covering on her head, for this is same as shaving the head.

    6. Trimming of hair by male
    1 Corinthians 11:14 -“Isnt it obvious that its disgraceful for a man to have a long hair?”

    So these are some of the good seeds of wheat Jesus farmed before his physical death.Then, after his death what are the weeds that were planted y the devils and not written in the bible.
    1. Christmas – 25th december ; birthday of the Sun according to ROman and Pagan Custom.(Realted verse Ezekiel8:16 – Then he brought me into ……………………………………………………………………., there were about twenty five men with their backs to the sanctuary of the Lord. They were facing east, bowing low to the ground, worshippng the Sun.
    2. SUnday worship – Constantine in 321A.D. changed Sabbath into Sunday worship.

    3.Worship of Cross and Image of VIrgin Mary – IN 331 A.D. worship of Cross was adopted .
    Jeremiah 10 : 3-5 – Their ways are futile and foolish. THey cut down and a tree and a craftsmen carves an idlol. They decorateit with gold and silver and then fasten it with gold and silver and then fasten it securely with hammer and nails. So it wont fall ver. Their idols are like helpless Scarecrows in cucumber field.
    And the worship of image of virgin Mary.
    Jeremiah 2:17 – To an imalge carved from piece of wood they say,”you are my father” and to and Idol chiseled form a block of stone they say,”you are my mother.”

    6.Baptism
    And baptism process has also been changed.THey sprinkle some water over people’s face. And say that you have been baptized. SO these are the weeds that were grown by the devils after Jesus died.
    Now will these weeds go to the heaven.
    I dont think so niether does the Bible.
    Matthew 13:30- Let both grow together until the harvest, THen I will tell the harvesters to sort out the wees tie them into bundles and burn them and put the wheat into the barn.

    Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who calls out to me,”Lord!,LOrd! will enter the kingdom of heaven.ONly thise who actually do the will of my father in heaven will enter………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..I wll reply,”I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break Gods Law.

    1 John 2:3 – And we can be sure that we know him if we obey his commandments.If someone claims,”I know God”. But doesnt obey GOds commandments that person is a liar and is not living the truth……………………Those who say they live in GOd should live their lives as Jesus did.

    So I suggest anyone who reads this article to judge him/her self whether is a weed or a seed of wheat for wheats will be resurrected from dead and will shine as brightly as stars forever and weeeds to inherit eternal shame and everlating shame and pain in hell.

  105. wOOt! I’m going to hell! Hell yeah! Woohoo! I can’t wait!

    Oh wait a second…everything you talked about is rubbish! That means I’m not going to hell? Awww…

    If you bothered to do more research into why none of your points are valid except on the surface, why, you’d have regretted spending so much time and effort writing your comment. COG WMS follows the letter of the law but forgets the spirit of the law.

  106. Sanjay must be a newbie to the church, they tend to be the ones who over post.

    Give it 10 or so years, Sanjay, you’ll find yourself getting into a new religion.

    – James

  107. Well if you think I am wrong why dont you prove I am wrong b using the bible but not just by using the useless words. One thing I find most common in all the christians is that they dont tend to look at the bible and always be stubborn. Take the lesson from the Jews 2000 years ago. They didnt want Jesus as God because they were stubborn and they didnt beleive the prophecies of the bible and eventually it led to the destruction of their own. Do what pleases God(Ephesian 5:9) not worship him in your own style.

  108. Prove you wrong? That statement shows your inexperience. You’re so gung-ho about proving someone wrong and inviting anyone to try and prove you wrong. My words weigh more than you copying and pasting bible scripture and some dude’s interpretation on them.

    Pumping bible scripture will do what, it’s been done before. Maybe you should read through this whole forum and catch up a bit, because I’ve been there and done that. As I said before, give it 10 or so years, you’ll find yourself getting into a new religion.

    For the record, I don’t care about Jews of 2000 years ago. That’s like comparing man’s understanding of the universe now, compared to man’s understanding in Galileo’s time. Obviously there is a big difference.

    As new information becomes available, our limited understanding of anything, becomes more and more clear, which allows mental growth or evolution in the mind.

    You and anyone else LOWERING yourselfs to compare people in 2007 to other people from 2000 years ago shows that you have not grasp onto your own evolved mind. Before you take anyone challege to prove you wrong, how about putting your own beliefs to the test and proving it wrong. To know if something is “truth” it has to not only withstand the test from other but your own test. You probably couldn’t do that though, fear probbably grips your heart.

    – James

  109. I just wanted to post this for Ryan and all others from the Church of God… Please defend our name and integrity. Proclaim Father & Mother until the end ENDURE.. The devil is testing us with these websites that claim us to be a “cult” to break us from our strong faith. How can we be a cult when we follow each and every teaching to a t?? Sabbath/The Feasts/Veil… Its all black & white and its in the bible.But yet those out there breaking God’s law want to stand taller and throw our name to the ground. How can any of you accuse us of being a cult? How can you judge us, when you dont even know us?! If there is a way to contact my brothers in the truth please tell me.

    Matthew 1:3
    3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

    You obviously don’t know Him who sent Jesus. Learn the prophesies before pointing fingers
    -Liz

  110. Lizzie,

    Ok you follow the Sabbath/The Feasts/Veil and PASSOVER, which is the icing on the cake it seems, and is something that no other churches are doing…OK.

    Now what does that have to do with no one not knowing that Ahnsahnghong was this “god” you all claim him to be when he was alive preaching?

    If this DUDE preached to his congregation that “only the TRUE church” observes Passover, and only the second coming can restore it, how can his congregation who he preached to when he was alive NOT know that he was this second coming you all are worshipping?

    What, these people didn’t know that they were observing Passover or something? C’mon, the guy should have been worshipped when he was ALIVE by his congregation for restoring something that he preached was “LOST” which HE (Ahnsahnghong)also preached that NO OTHER CHURCH ON THE PLANET were observing…simple as that.

    The guy gets recognized and worshipped AFTER his death? Check your facts to see how long this DUDE/MAN (not God), preached about the Passover being “abolished” and check your facts to see how long he had his congregation observing this Passover, then tell how it would be possible for his congregation not to know that they were observing a holiday this guy claimed only GOD can restore.

    Read what I say carefully then check your facts, whether through your Pastor or perhaps your Mother God can telepathically communicate with you and give you the answer. I’m very tired of these silly games you people try to play. You talk all of this bible stuff but ignore the reality of some POWERLESS DUDE and his little POWERLESS girlfriend.

    – James

  111. Also, if the DUDE never claimed to be God. Then who the hell persecuted him and for what reason would they persecute someone that never claimed to be God?

    Oh wait, let me guess, he wasn’t persecuted, it was the church that was being persecuted right? It was the church that was being persecuted by other churches for observing the Passover for one and the feasts and any other holiday no other church observed right?

    That’s where the persecuted stuff must come from since HE (Ahnsahnghong)wasn’t persecuted for claiming to be God.

    Ok now, throughout history what church HAS NOT been “persecuted” (if you want to call it that) by other churches from being different? I can give you a long list if you want. You want to talk about pointing fingers? Well what about the fingers that you all are pointing at other churches?

    If you want to call that persecuted then cool but to my knowledge and throughout history, anyone or people who were persecuted experienced either death or received cruel and unjust punishments.

    Look at Ahnsahnghong, not a scratch on his skin…wow, now that’s what I call persecution. Probably never been in a fist fight. The only persecution this dude probably received was perhaps from his wife smacking him upside the head.

    – James

  112. COG Members obviously don’t know Jesus or Him who sent Jesus. If they did, they would definitely know that Anhsanghong was never Jesus.

    O modern day Pharisees, when will you stop allowing Satan to blind you and wake up to the truth? You teach as doctrines the teachings of men and accuse others of persecuting you when they merely speak the truth. If something is a sin, call it a sin! An onion is an onion no matter how what name you may try to call it. False teachings are false teachings no matter what you might try to say.

    Honestly, if all those who profess to be followers of Jesus Christ actually KNEW Him personally, there wouldn’t be these deceptive cults. They’d have no power over the truth.

  113. Like God the Father said in the Bible; My sheep listen to my voice.
    Just as I was told to “check the facts” you should too before speaking. This “girlfriend” of Ahnsahnghong who we refer to as “New Jerusalem” was a mere baby, she could not have been his “lover” I know my facts, do you? You dont know anything of this church. You only follow what you have heard.
    Every church claims to be the “ONE” but can they back that up? Can THEY personally say we resemble the early church? Can they prove to keep all of Gods commandments? NO! So can they say they are the ONE? But yet when a church that does resemble it comes along, you tackle it and call it a cult! Did you know that 2000 years ago they called Jesus and his disciples a sect… or a cult? The same thing is happening again. Just like it was in the time of Jesus, after Jesus’ death more people worshiped him than when he was alive.
    Did you know that many people knew of the Second Coming Christ?? I bet you didnt! You sound just like the Pharisees from 2000 years ago. I read that some bloggers ask that we shouldnt compare the people of 2000 years ago to these of the new age… fine, but why do all of you imitate them from 200 years ago? You yourselves are acting just like them.
    How much of the bible do you know? How much does your Spiritual Leaders actual reveal to you? Only what they want to.
    Look at Ahnsahnghong you say, he had no scratches on his skin. Did you personally see him to even say that? How in the world can you say he had nothing on him? Because of a picture? Oh please!
    In response to Jaime…
    You’re right… I say the same right back at you!

    O modern day Pharisees, when will you stop allowing Satan to blind you and wake up to the truth? You teach as doctrines the teachings of men and accuse others of persecuting you when they merely speak the truth. If something is a sin, call it a sin! An onion is an onion no matter how what name you may try to call it. False teachings are false teachings no matter what you might try to say.
    We follow the bible 100%. We recognize the Second Coming Christ I am so sorry you fail to see. As it is said:

    Matthew 13:11
    He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
    “Though seeing, they do not see;
    though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
    ” ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
    you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
    15For this people’s heart has become calloused;
    they hardly hear with their ears,
    and they have closed their eyes.
    Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
    hear with their ears,
    understand with their hearts
    and turn, and I would heal them.'[a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
    May God have mercy on those of you who are blind and cannot see the light, who cannot recognize the Christ. Not just I but other Church of God members have attempted to open your spiritual eyes so that you may see. Ryan or “John” as you called him gave you many of these treasures to you but I do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw my pearls to pigs.

    John 8
    42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

  114. Ok Lizzie, let’s consider this woman whom you worship as a god was a “mere baby” at the time.

    Now Ahnsanhghong born in 1918, his little girlfriend wasn’t born obviously at the time.

    Ahnsahnghong was 30 years old in 1948, his little girlfriend was perhaps in her late teens/early 20’s if not a bit older.

    Ahnsahnghong was 67 years old in 1985, his little girlfriend was perhaps in her 50’s. Because if she is in her 60’s early seventies in 2007, she must have been old enough to have relations with the DUDE in her younger age.

    Sorry but 1985 wasn’t that long ago. I was alive in 1985. This chick is probably the same age as my grandmother if not a bit older.

    Let’s go to the year 1960, BEFORE he (Ahnsahnghong) built his first church. Ahnsanhghong was 42, his little girlfriend was perhaps 38 (give or take). I’m just estimating because if she is in her 70’s now, then she must have been around that age. So the chick was old enough to have relations with the DUDE.

    If you say that she was a “mere baby”, well at this time in 2007, you better have proof that she is younger than 60 and 50 is cutting too close because my own mother is in her 50’s. I would say she better be younger than 60. If she is in her late 60’s early 70’s then this MERE baby was NOTHING but.

    You want to assume that I don’t know much, well whatever that is hidden is hidden because they do not want the public to know the truth. If this Mother chick is in her late 70’s early 80’s then I would advise you to retract your statements because you are defending BS.

    Again, if you believe “Mother” was too young to have a friendship with this guy, well then she better be younger than my grandmother and my grandmother is about 70. Even my grandmother could have had relations with this dude back in 1960, 1970, and 1980. Heck, even in 1950, my own grandmother could have had relations with him since she would have been about 20 in 1950 and he would have been 32. Where is the “mere child” in a 20 year old?

    One last thing, who do you think introduced Mother Jerusalem to the congregation? He did. Do you think that she just all of a sudden came into the congregation and said, “Oh I’m mother Jerusalem, I’m the person who will guide you in the lastdays”.

    Either this guy saw himself as God or he didn’t. I have checked my facts because the source of my facts are from a family member who is a part of your church.

    If we are the same as the people 2000 years ago, then you are no different for you do not agree with other people who worship other men as god. To them, you are the same as the people of 2000 years ago because you reject THEIR BELIEF and idea of some guy they are worshipping as a god. At some point, you too are a nonbeliever in someone’s Christ or god. Perhaps the hispanic guy who says he’s Jesus returned, well I’m sure to the people who worship him, you too are a nonbelieving heathen and will burn in hell. Makes no difference.

    Why don’t you try answering my simple question.

    Who the hell persecuted him and for what reason would they persecute someone that never claimed to be God?

    – James

  115. What makes it even funnier is that you see this dude as “Father” and his litle girlfriend as “Mother”. Appears to me that they are a couple. Obviously, they had to have some kind of relations if you believe you will see them in Heaven together while referring to them as your Father and Mother.

    Hence them being your “Heavenly Father”, Heaven Mother” and overall “Heavenly Parents”. Making her a BRIDE at some point and since you see him as Christ, well I guess she would be the bride of Christ, according to your beliefs. Would be gross to know that a MERE BABY will hook up with some old dude in Heaven but yet, you reject and ignore that they were together on Earth, according to your belief of course.

    No sense what so ever.

    – James

  116. James,
    I see you don’t understand the Spiritual you see only with your physical eyes. May God have pitty on you.

  117. Thanks for not answering my question. You all want people to believe the impossible (ie: Mother being Omniscient) but when people ask for the impossible to be done (ie: Mother proving that she knows all), you accuse the people of being ignorant or “spiritually blind”.

    You all say she is a god, yet, you nor she can’t prove it because you all want to use the same old scripture that “god will not come to work miracles but to bring salvation”. Then you want to give her credit for working miracles in people’s lives. You are all confused.

    Get real, Lizzie.

    – James

  118. LOL Lizzie you know what? You answer just like a Muslim when cornered by a question they can’t answer! You don’t answer, but instead engage in ad hominem attacks. You don’t debate past the initial, shallow point, but only post verses from the holy book you subscribe to without explanation AS IF that were a good argument in itself. Haven’t you been educated in how to write a proper argument?

    I dismiss everything that you’ve said because you’re just like all those under Satan’s control but who don’t know it. Pretty soon you’ll start engaging in more and more ad hominem attacks and insults.

    LOL. COG WMS’s tactics for answering tough questions is so similar to Muslims’.

  119. Jamie,

    Apparently you are spiritually blind as well. You are more religious than I am and you too see that it’s BS. Something must be wrong.

    Lizzie said how would I know if he was persecuted or not because there are no marks on his skin. Well, I will be honest, I don’t know whether this dude was beaten down, punched in the face, smacked upside the head, kicked, spat on, or have any other unjust actions against him.

    But, if those things did happen, the only thing to give reason would be that he was calling himself God. Throughout history and even in this era, anyone calling themselves God will automatically receive harsh reactions and will be put to the test by tons of people.

    I mean look at how people treated women who were accused of being witches or look at the treatment in this era at people who refer to themselves as witches.

    Ahnsahnghong persecuted? By whom?

    Why does so many people or men I should say, who call themselves “Jesus returned” have body guards and 24 hour security?

    or

    Why does so many men who call themselves god or Jesus never travel around the world announcing that they are God or Jesus?

    or

    Only reveal themselves AFTER people are recruited into their church/cult after they have accepted their doctrine.

    Not one of these people who claim to be divine proved without a doubt that they are who they say they are to nonbelievers alike. Alot of people believe in miracles and believe that it is their god who is working those miracles, such as a child falling 5 stories from a window and surviving. When it comes to the COG, Mother Jerusalem or Ahnsahnghong should be thanked for that miracle but when someone (like me) debates with a COG member and ask for some kind of evidence that Mother J or Ahn are the ones working these miracles and making things happen, not only in MY life but other people’s lives, then we are told that they were not sent here to work miracles OR how it is not prophesied for them to work miracles or some other BS excuse.

    I would really want Mother Jerusalem to read my mind, if she is indeed Omniscient. I wish that I could meet her in person, would be very interesting.

    – James

  120. YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL UNDER A CURSE. MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES ONE DAY, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TRUTH. IT’S SO SAD TO SEE HOW PEOPLE REJECT THE WORD OF GOD. YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU DONOT KNOW OR EVEN UNDERSTAND. LOOK AT YOURSELVES. YOU ACCUSE US OF BEING A CULT, NOT HAVING TRUTH. BUT YOU, YOURSELVES DON’T HAVE THE TRUTH OR EVEN TEACH THE TRUTH.
    YOU NEITHER GET SALVATION AND NOR LET OTHERS GET SALVATION. I TELL YOU SOMETHING IF YOU LOVE YOURSELVES AT LEAST A SMALL BIT. THEN DON’T DO THIS. JUST DON’T BELIEVE AND DON’T FOLLOW IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. BUT DON’T BLASPHEME GOD BECAUSE GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND WILL PAY TO EVERYONE ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
    VERY FEW PEOPLE ACCEPTED CHRIST 2000 YEARS AGO. IT’S NOT SURPRISING THEN THAT EVEN TODAY 2000 YEARS LATER THE SAME THING HAPPENS.

    AT THAT TIME GOD WAS NOT CONCERN ABOUT THOSE WHO DIDN’T LISTEN. INSTEAD HE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THOSE WHO DID LISTEN AND HE TOOK THEM TO HEAVEN.
    IT IS THE SAME NOW GOD IS NOT CONCERN ABOUT YOU. INSTEAD GOD IS CONCERN ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO TRULLY WANT TO RECEIVE SALVATION.
    WE DON’T NEED TO MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVE IN US. WE’RE ONLY WAITING FOR THAT DAY WHEN EVERYTHING IS REVEALED TO THE WHOLE WORLD. THAT DAY WILL COME AND YOU ALL WILL REALIZE WHAT YOU’VE BEEN DOING, ONLY THAT ON THAT DAY IS ALREADY TOO LATE.
    MAY GOD NOT BE SO HARD ON YOU ON THAT DAY OF FIRE.
    I THINK YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING NOT EVEN IN YOURSELVES. THIS WAY I DON’T WASTE TIME SHOWING YOU VERSES BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD. I ONLY WRITE THIS SO THAT PEOPLE WHO TRULLY BELIEVE IN GOD MAY READ THIS AND WAKE UP FROM THEIR SLEEP. SO THEY MAY REALIZE THAT YOU ARE DOING THE THINGS YOUR MASTER AND FATHER SATAN LIKES.
    THAT’S ALL
    SEE YOU ON JUDGEMENT DAY.

  121. Why, “Child of God”, when you say:

    I ONLY WRITE THIS SO THAT PEOPLE WHO TRULLY BELIEVE IN GOD MAY READ THIS AND WAKE UP FROM THEIR SLEEP. SO THEY MAY REALIZE THAT YOU ARE DOING THE THINGS YOUR MASTER AND FATHER SATAN LIKES.

    Are you referring to yourself? You should put your name as “Child of Satan” rather than “Child of God”. Or not, because it reveals your character as a liar like Satan is.

    Please lah. Get a clue. You don’t even know the heart of God and you accuse me of not believing anything? Since when did God EVER say that He was not concerned about those who did not listen? Are you sure you follow the same God who is in the bible?

    You liar! Don’t you know that God has ALWAYS been concerned about EVERYONE He has created? Otherwise, why would be state so clearly in the bible that He desires all men to be saved? (1 Tim 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9) Fool! Wasn’t God the one who did things again and again to get the Israelites to listen to Him EVEN WHEN THEY DID NOT LISTEN TO HIM TIME AND TIME AGAIN?

    You are a liar who doesn’t even know the Word of God. Get lost, you pretender, go back to your master the prince of lies.

    • YES, GOD IS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT HIS ENEMIES WHO PREACH ANOTHER GOSPEL OR MAN MADE DOCTRINES, YOUR BEHIND JAMIE, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR SAYING

  122. Luke 10
    8″When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. 9Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God is near you.’ 10But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11’Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.’ 12I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.

  123. Hosea 4:6
    my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.

  124. King James 1:1

    Who persecuted Ahnsahnghong and for what reason would they persecute someone that never claimed to be God?

  125. Well James
    Sorry but I wont be around to answer your PERSECUTION question because as you may know we at the Church of God keep the Sabbath Day holy and this weekend is a long weekend (Veterans Day)& I wont be back till maybe Tuesday Evening EST!
    Hope you come to terms with God soon!
    God Bless You
    ~~Lizz

  126. Persecution question? You guys have yet to experience persecution, Lizzie. Having people question your beliefs is far from persecution. I think it’s called difference in opinion due to lack of evidence and information being withheld on purpose.

    Have a good weekend.

    – James

  127. Here’s something for you to be aware of and
    to remember, Lizzie.

    Persecution:

    Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group. The most common forms are religious persecution, ethnic persecution, and political persecution, though there is naturally some overlap between these terms. The act of killing an offender of the law.

    Have you been mistreated, Lizzie?

    Has anyone tried to physically harm you or take your life because of who you are or your belief?

    Have you been a slave?

    How about suffered through the holocaust?

    What you people consider persecution is not persecution on any level.

    – James

  128. James,
    I will use your own words…
    Persecution:
    Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group.

    Mistreatment:
    to treat badly or abuse

    Abuse:
    a corrupt practice or custom; language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily.

    CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG JAMES BUT ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO US COG MEMBERS????

  129. Actually no, you are wrong. So I will correct you. If that is the case and if I am “mistreating” you by stating my opinion, then Lizzie, you are no different from me. How you ask? Because you have a difference in opinion when it comes to someone else beliefs.

    Just because you feel what you believe to be true doesn’t make what I believe any less, or anyone else for that matter.

    So if I am “persecuting” you, then you are persecuting ME and everyone else that do not share the same beliefs as you. I guess we are all in the same boat then, Lizzie.

    Where exactly is the verbal abuse or even physical abuse? If anything, you or anyone else calling someone a “Child of Satan” or saying that I am “not of God” is no different. If that is what you call “abuse” and “persecution” then you are swimming in it, baby.

    As I said before Lizzie, you are far from being persecuted on any level. Getting ignored in shopping malls is not persecution because if it is, then everyone on this planet is getting persecuted.

    When a telemarketer calls someone and the person hangs up on them, that should be considered persecution.

    When someone disagrees with another person and states their opinion on how they feel President Bush is a screw-up, well that too should be considered persecuting President Bush.

    I can come up with more examples but I don’t see any reason to. If that is your idea of persecution then everyone on this planet with a different spiritual belief or lifestyle is being persecuted one way or another because there will always be a handful of people who do not agree and will say they are wrong for believing what they do or living the way they are….simple as that.

    Howver, when the person gets beat up, burned to death, killed unjustly for their personal belief and lifestyle that is not effecting anyone else PERSONALLY, and because other people do not agree, then you should consider that to be REAL persecution.

    There’s no such thing as “persecution questions”. If you can not answer them, then say so. Apparently, you find the questions offensive because you can not answer them, which will seem as though I am attacking you.

    – James

  130. My younger brother has been with the COG for about a year now, and for the last several months he’s been going to Arizona to preach. I recently spoke to him and found out his “Deacon’s” name, Hector Flores and the other is Leo (?last?). I read your message where you said these people came to you house.

    http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/

    Please save them from this ahnsahnghong cult.

  131. To Jessie,

    About a month ago, I received a phone call from one of the missionaries that spoke at me last year. They said that they had founded a church in Arizona and wanted me to come to their meetings. They asked me if I had done any research into their religion and I told them that I had. They asked me what I thought about it and I told them that in my opinion, it is a cult religion. They didn’t seem surprised and abruptly ended our conversation.

    Jessie, I’m sorry I didn’t check this site sooner, I could have gotten some contact info from you and helped you find your brother. If it makes any difference I’ll try to do some research and find out where this place is located. In the case that you have lost contact with your brother I’ll ask them if they know where he is and whats his status.

    My family is in Louisiana too and I know how hard it is being separated from them.

  132. By the way, King James

    Keep it up and enlighten these guys! Your doing a great job.

  133. Hello all… Does anyone know if this new church in AZ is located in Tempe? I believe they are in my office complex. They are very nice people and have never said anything to me other than good morning, good afternoon, etc. I am Christian and don’t believe as they do, but I am not going to talk down on or to them because of that. I believe as Christians it is not our place to judge but to pray for and maybe witness to those that haven’t accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.

    -God Bless you all…

  134. We have to pay attention on the Bible.
    Bible testifies about tha savior, Christ.
    Church of God follows all law of God.
    Rev 22:17 The Spirit and The Bride give us the water of life together.
    Only Father God can’t give you eternal life, never.
    Just like you need your physical mother to get physical life, So you need spiritual mother to get spiritual life.
    And
    Rev21:9
    Who is the lamb?
    Revelation was written after first coming Jesus’ ascention, So this indicates Second Coming Christ.
    Here, The Bride is Heavenly Jerusalem.
    Gal 4:26
    Heavenly Jerusalem is our Mother.
    Look at the Bible, without your prejudice about God.
    Do you know Trinity?
    God the Father,God the Son, God the Holy Spirit is One God.
    So If you study the Bible, you can realize
    Christ Ahnsahnghong is not differ with Christ Jesus.
    Study, Study, Bible.
    http://usa.watv.org

  135. Hi
    See a few coments on catholics, especially our position on Mary. I thought I would clear it up. The Church does not worship Mary. At all. Never. There is reverence, honour, repect, and communication. She is not God, does not save souls on her own account, nor does she claim to. The church doctrine is reasonably clear on this.

    Yes, people pray to her. This is not worship in itself. Pray is comunication. What you say during prayer decides if you are worshiping, talking, or insulting God. If your were in pray saying, ‘Yuk, I hate you – I want no part of your heaven’ This would not constitute worship. So prayer is a means to worship – depending on what you have to say.
    Jesus taught us the easiest prayer to say, the Our Father. Simple, complete, covers everything and is to the point. You cant go wrong using it.

    As to asking Mary, and other saints to help us in our lives, and to pray for us – I have no problem with that. It feels to me, no different from asking a Pastor, or Preacher to pray for me, and give me advice.
    I love the dialogue between you guys on this religion, Word of God etc. I have seen others like it. First they attack the established churches, take a point of difference from selected scriptures, and hammer on regardless of the truth thrown at them.
    I cannot see that two thousand years of considered, educated study by the various christian churches, should be tossed aside because a newbe on the block thinks he has the lastest angle on Christ.

    Jesus was the last sacrifice, the last offering for the forgiveness of sins. He will allow a way for God Almighty to be reconciled with his creation for all time. Considered, educated, inspired people, down through the centuries have looked at every scripture, considered every angle, and heard every interpretation. The collective wisdom of all the christian churches have settled on a couple of points that, for them, go without saying. Jesus, the son of God, will come again in all his glory. No one will doubt his arrival.

    No sneaking around in South Korea, no going over the same old ground. In all his glory – for all to see.

    And, as for Mrs God ?- don’t make me laugh.

  136. Hi everyne,

    mmm… I’m a new member of Church of God Singapore… I have got baptized for a month.. DID I MAKE A BIG MISTAKE ?

    As a student, this is my first time to jump down in religion so deep… Ya, firstly I really sure about this religion.. but after I read all the post here from top till the end actually not all lol… I’m getting confused… really really confused… Is this church good? Is it the only church which can take us to Kingdom og Heaven?

    Everyweek I go to church study about Bible. All their teachings are from Bible. I know Bible is all true.. But did they really teach the truth? If yes, why all the people arguing? They teach according to Bible and we trust Bible. So we should trust them..

    Their teachings about mother, pope, 666, 4 beast, 3 period, newcovenant,the earth, melchizedek, etc… all really makesense… If I have a qestion, they will give the proof from the bible… about AhnShangHong… Honestly I dont really believe… Why should we called him the second coming Jesus? Should we forget about Jesus? Can’t we pray in name of Jesus? all confusing me…

    Ya, I know internet cant be trusted 100%, but after i read a lot of sharings up there… I think those are the fact… No onetold that they are happy.. all like my children are took by that church, my husband left the family nd go to church, and all others bad things… why this church give the bad thing to its member? is the CoG really bad?

    I think all members usually i called bro and sis… all of them are really kind.. How can we conclude that the CoG isbad church? Never I want to leave this church because i think it is the true church of all church… but, i think now i should make a research deeply for this church… I’m afraid i willnot take care of my family again because of this church…
    I dont know whether I should go to this church again or just leave it… any suggestion pals?

    Thank you before… GBU^^

    Not a Special One,

    nijuroku

  137. one more thing, did Jesus really God or Son of God? Is there any heavenly Mother? need your suggestion immediately.. I dont want waste my life in the wrong way… anyone please!!!

  138. Hi nijuroku,

    I am also in Singapore. Perhaps if you are really feeling distressed, we can arrange some time to meet and I can see what I can do to help you clear things up. It is entirely up to your discretion.

    Personally, I do not believe that what they are teaching is real bible truth. For one thing, they do not go to the original Hebrew and Greek meanings of the words. Thus, what they claim to be references to the Heavenly Mother are misinterpretations.

    Also, if the Heavenly Mother were a figure that is as important as God the Father, why is she only mentioned in obscure, potentially misleading verses? Why doesn’t God the Father come outright to say ‘THere is a God the Mother”? And why doesn’t the mother speak for herself?

    All these are questions that have yet to be answered properly by members of the CoG.

    CoG Singapore may not be responsible for breaking families up and brainwashing like other chapters might be doing, but I know for sure that Jesus Christ never said he had a heavenly Mother, and that is His witness to my spirit as well.

    Let me know and we can arrange contact.

  139. Hi Jamie,

    Actually I’m a student, so maybe this Saturday or Sunday i have time… but I’m not sure about the time and place… about this Saturday I dont know whether I should go to CoG or not.. all the members seems so kind to me… confused
    Oh ya here is my email hardy_jefry@hotmail.com

    yah really I need more information to decide this problem…

    Thank you Jamie,

    nijuroku

  140. Bruce,

    well put.

  141. I know I am very scared about this Church of God. My son joined a couple of years ago and we have been drifting apart ever since. When he got married in the church last year the state said they were not recognized as a church and they still had to go to the Justice of the peace to make it legal. He is planning a trip to Korea in the next few weeks with his wife but they are leaving their 11 month old son here . I really am worried that they won’t come back. All I ever hear from him is destruction is near and I better watch out. By the way I am a Catholic so they put us down all the time. If anyone can help me with some way to reach him I am all ears. Thanks so much.

  142. Hi Diane. I don’t know how to help get your son back. Best you can do is stand your ground, refuse to be belittled, and speak the truth. The truth will win out eventually. Speak it with conviction. Be the life line should he call. Sometimes people see through the lies and seek their way home. If he goes to Korea, he may see just how absurd the whole thing is. Don’t forget to pray for him.

  143. Bruce you are very encouraging and very patient man. Thanks a lot Unfortunately my bro has now become a deacon after his divorce and probably already married a korean. Though we have been praying too hard but nothing gonna change his mind as he even stated that even if you put a gun at my head I shall not deny this truth. nObody would even want to even do that to them coz sensible people know its the bullshit they beleive. Just by speaking about their false doctrine they call it being persecuted.
    I wish they actually knew what is persecution. They work in secret like their dead korean Jesus and target on the poor souls till he/she is totally sucked in.

  144. My Ex got involved last June. We have a daughter that he got involved when he was with her, but I put a stop to that a few months ago. He has been continuing to preach to her to the point where I had to ask him to leave last Wednsday. He is supposed to see her again this Wednesday and I just found out that he is on Korea. He left last Sunday. What is going on? He doesn’t even have a job to pay for such a trip.

  145. Does anyone know where I can find ex-members who know what we are dealing with? It seems like information is pretty scarce online. There is also anti – COG info. that now seems to be missing. This whole seem seems like some alternate reality. This just can’t be happening!

  146. Well Scarlet I know how it feels. The info on the net is scarce is because the church is now using hackers to destroy the websites created to cause awareness of this false church.
    As for making a trip to korea is a must just to give Mother goddess a hug. Apparently she seems to be having a good time.
    The point is how they can afford a trip out there as far as I know the cash is put in by all the members of that church and even to the extent of lending a suit and veils if required for a female etc The food and accomodation is ofcourse free. This sort of creates a great impression on their mind as to how loving and kind are their spiritual brothers.
    Now if you son does pretty well he may even be tempted or asked for a second trip to get trained as a Deacon. Ultimately they think of marrying within the cult group and so we are no more considered to be their family. They lie a lot and this church is indeed breaking homes.

  147. We must study the Bible to judge one church and doctrine is true or not.
    Some People only insist sometimes without any concrete reason.
    They don’t use the Bible.
    But We have to pay attention on only the bible.
    Because Bible testifies about Christ, Savior.

    Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother is really our God, Heavenly Parents.
    How I can insist this surely?
    I studied the Bible and can find out Savior.
    God foretold us the prophecy of them and we have to find out and study.

    The Bible clearly shows us there are two God.
    God the Father and God the Mother now calling us to save us.

  148. Liars and hypocrites! It is YOU who do not study the bible, but you create false teachings to glorify a fleshly, earthly woman. Liars! You would do well to ask for repentance for leading people into deception.

    You twist the scriptures to fit into your warped theology, and you tear apart families who love God with your demonic doctrines.

    Idol worshippers! How dare you claim that we need to study the bible when you blind ones cannot see that your teachings go against the entirety of God’s Word! Truly it is as the bible says: There shall be many false teachers.

    The bible tells us that we are saved in the name of Jesus, but you blind ones insist on praying to Ang Sanh Hong. God never said that we would be saved in the new name of Jesus, but only in the name of Jesus. Fools and blind! How dare you corrupt believers with your wicked teachings!

    Begone! I will not tolerate any more of your roundabout answering. You are like your father the devil, the accuser, for you accuse us of things that are not true and drag people into hell where you are headed. You neither answer questions nor refute claims, only insist that questioners “study the bible”. Prideful hypocrites! What makes you assume that we have never studied the bible? I tell you, some have studied the bible more than you will ever study it!

    Repent from your false doctrine, for the fires of hell await you.

  149. whoa.
    returnedangel, i am not going to debate the bible with you, it is very clear to me, but want you to think about the affect this “church” is having on families. all of the repercussions it is having on people around the world. this and all of the secrecy of everything that has happened since my ex got involved in june shows me that something is seriously wrong with this.

  150. thank you for your insight bertha.

  151. To those who don’t understand about the “white stone with a new name”, here’s the study from the Bible. God bless you all.

    The Savior of Each Age and the New Name
    Father Ahnsahnghong
    World Mission Society Church of God

    For our salvation, God divided six thousand years into three ages: the age of the Father, the age of the Son, and the age of the Holy Spirit, and He allowed a different Savior’s name for each of these ages—the name of Jehovah in the age of the Father, the name Jesus in the age of the Son, and the name Ahnsahnghong in the age of the Holy Spirit.

    Now we are living during the last age of the Holy Spirit. Thus, God has been administrating His plan of salvation, using the new Savior’s name, the name of the Holy Spirit—Ahnsahnghong. Salvation is only given to those who believe in the name of the Savior that God has allowed to the people living in that particular age. Because we are now living in the age of the Holy Spirit, we must receive the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong, as the Savior of this age.

    Eccl. 3:1, KJV 『To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven…』

    In this world, everyone has a certain goal and purpose for their lives. Likewise, we should set a certain goal for our faith: the salvation of our souls, eternal life.

    1 Pet. 1:8-9 『Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and
    glorious joy, for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.』

    In order for His people to receive salvation, God divided six thousand years into three ages, and allowed a different Savior’s name for each age.

    Matt. 28:19 『”Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very
    end of the age.”』

    As is commonly known, the name of the Father is “Jehovah,” and the name of the Son is “Jesus.” Baptism is the first step that we can take towards becoming a child of God, and to be baptized correctly, we must first know the name of the Father, the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit.

    The most important aspect of our salvation is to know, and to receive, the name of the Savior. During the age of the Father, God granted salvation to those who believed in the name of Jehovah.

    Isa. 43:11 『I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.』

    In the age of the Father, salvation was dependent upon knowing and accepting the name of Jehovah. Therefore, salvation was not given to those living in the age of the Father, who either didn’t know, or who refused to accept, the name of Jehovah.

    When the age of the Father ended and the age of the Son began, Jehovah came in the flesh, using the name “Jesus,” as had been prophesied (Isa. 9:6-7).

    The Bible states that in the age of the Father there was no Savior apart from Jehovah, and that in the age of the Son there was no Savior apart from Jesus.

    Acts 4:11-12 『”He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under
    heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”』

    When God gave the names of Jehovah and Jesus to the people, He did not explaine that each of these Savior’s names would only be used for a specific time period or age. Thus, many people have become confused, believing that the Bible contradicts itself.

    With a full understanding of the Trinity, however, you will realize that the above verses hold no contradictions. Jesus is in His very nature God (Phil. 2:5), the very God Jehovah who granted salvation during the age of the Father. Since Jesus is, in fact, Jehovah, there is no contradiction between “There is no savior apart from Jehovah,” and, “There is no other name given to men by which we must be saved (apart from the name of Jesus.)”

    During each age God allowed a different name of the Savior, and thus, each age also had a specified time frame and limit. In other words, salvation was given to those who had accepted the name of Jehovah in the age of the Father, and once the age changed to the age of the Son, salvation was given to those who pressed on to know and to accept the name of Jesus.

    When God gave the name Jesus to the people—the Savior’s name in the age of the Son—only those who believed and called upon the name of Jesus Christ were able to receive salvation.

    Now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit.
    Thus, God has given us a new name of the Savior.

    Rev. 3:12 『”Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.”』

    Rev. 2:17 『”He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a
    white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.”』

    A “white stone with a new name written on it” is mentioned in the above verse. In this instance, the stone represents Jesus (1 Pet. 2:4), meaning that a new name other than the name of Jesus would be given to the people of that age.

    Just as salvation was withheld from those who were stuck on the name of Jehovah and failed to receive Jesus as their Savior in the age of the Son (Rom. 15:4), salvation will never be given to those who are stuck on the name of Jesus in this age.

    Those who had accepted the name of Jehovah for 3,500 years were not able to accept the name of Jesus in the age of the Son. Only the disciples accepted Jesus, the Savior in the age of the Son, who had come as prophesied. The Bible prophesied that there would be a Savior in the age of the Son. Even though Jesus came in fulfillment of all these prophecies, the people insisted on believing in only Jehovah, following their own ideas instead of Bible’s prophecy. Where are all of the people who lived in the age of the Son and who refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?

    We must consider this matter carefully and break our own fixed ideas, allowing our minds to accept God’s thoughts. The Bible testifies that there will undoubtedly be a name for the Savior of the Holy Spirit’s age. We need to understand God’s providence of salvation—His allowing a different Savior’s name for each age—and we need to accept Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Savior’s name in this age of the Holy Spirit, Jesus’ new name.

    Once we come to understand the time limitations of each age, it is very easy for us to understand how each age affected the salvation of God’s people. In the age of the Father, people were the witnesses of Jehovah (Isa. 43:10), they prayed in the name of Jehovah, and salvation was promised only through the name of Jehovah (Joel 2:32).

    Once the age of the Son had begun, how did the people, who were to receive salvation, act? Did they insist on praying in the name of Jehovah as the witnesses of Jehovah, believing that they could only be saved through the name of Jehovah? Jesus’ disciples became the witnesses of Jesus (Acts 1:6), they prayed in the name of Jesus (John 16:24), and they received salvation only by believing the name of Jesus (Rom. 10:9).

    Then, in the age of the Holy Spirit, of what name should we become the witnesses, what name should we use when we pray, and what name has the authority to give us salvation?

    The name is Ahnsahnghong, Jesus’ new name (John 5:39).

    Everyone living in this last age of the Holy Spirit! Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Savior of this age! Today, salvation is only given through the name of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and only those who are the witnesses of Christ Ahnsahnghong and pray in His name will be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Please believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, our Savior in the age of the Holy Spirit, so that you may receive eternal life!

  152. “The name is Ahnsahnghong, Jesus’ new name (John 5:39). ”

    What Bible is this in brofromzion?
    Are you in contact with all of your family members? Are you still married if you were before you found COG?
    Have you been to Korea?

  153. Liar and hypocrite!

    There are no miracles in the name of Ang Sanh Hong. No one is healed or delivered in that name, only in the name of JESUS.

    Before that man arrived on earth, God was doing miracles in the name of JESUS. Today, God is STILL doing wonders in the name of JESUS. Ang Sahn Hong’s church is a powerless, miracle-lacking church.

    That speaks volumes about which is the true name of Jesus.

  154. Ultimately only two questions matter:

    1. Are AhnSahngHong and Mother Jerusalem God?

    and

    2. What led you to believe that AhnSahngHong and Mother Jerusalem were God?

    Can someone please answer these questions?

  155. Is this true or not? Could someone help me because I am confused!!

    Ahn sang-hong (died 1985) founded the World Mission Society Church of God (in Korean, 하나님의교회 세계복음선교협회). He was born in South Korea to Buddhist parents.

    According to the Church of God, he joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1947. He renounced Buddism and was baptized in 1948. He created the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964.

    Regarded by his followers as the second coming Christ, Ahn sang-hong is also the author of several books[citation needed], including Visitors from the Angelic World, The Seal of God and the last plagues, etc. Throughout the 35 chapters of one book, The Mystery of God and The Spring of The Water of Life, Ahn sang-hong testifies about the coming of what the church refers to as the “Mother God”.[citation needed]

    Ahn sang-hong made a number of predictions in his early books, the most prominent two being his 1967 and 1988 predictions for the Second Coming of Christ. The World Mission Society Church of God claims that Ahn sang-hong was the second coming of Jesus, despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return. Those outside the church, familiar with the sect, consider Ahn sang-hong a Heresiarch.[1]

  156. Didn’t Ahnsanghong claim that the second coming of christ would be in 1988?

  157. Ahnsanghong in the first place could not make accurate predictions so how can he perform miracles. His name itself does not have power like the name of JESUS CHRIST.

    Now if Jesus was already baptized by John the baptist whay should he be born in a budhist family worship idolds and than renounce that religion by joining SDA which is a cult too. So what was his purpose of coming back again just to bring passover when being with the SDA he knew the cult already had something to promote their religion example using sabbath so he got inspired to bring in passover to start a new business.
    Who has been a witness to his death or his ascending into heaven?
    Yet people believe in this bullshit and come on this board to fill the crap that has absolutely no meaning.

    Only those in the cults and brainwashed will understand about the “white stone with a new name”

    Keep waiting fellas for the time when it comes to floating in the clouds to your mother & Father in heaven. for it will never shall be.Have you heard about the doomsday cult in Russia waiting the end times who seem to have been giving up.

    May god save your souls. Amen

  158. THis is a lot of Heady…and not-so heady dialogue here, but I’m not sure certain questions were answered:

    1. What is the proof of Ahnshanhong being the 2nd coming of Christ?

    2. What do the church leaders say about his first two prophecies in 1967 and 1985.

    3. What proof exists that Mother Jerusalem is in fact this Mother Jerusalem?

    Thanks,
    Jason

  159. Wow lot’s of assumptious spiritual opinions and earthly facts here not only about my personal life but also Christ Ahnsahnghong, the One who fulfill all the prophecies of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ according to the Bible. Well, just to tell you all, I’m a very open-minded person so feel free to give your point of views. I hope to learn from all of you. So, here’s another proof of the Second Coming Jesus Christ, Ahnsahnghong:

    The Parable of the Fig Tree
    Father Ahnsahnghong
    World Mission Society Church of God

    The Bible prophesied that Jesus would appear a second time (Heb. 9:28). Ahnsahnghong—whom the Church of God believes in as their Savior—is Jesus who has come a second time, according to the prophecy.

    Then, when is Jesus prophesied to come a second time? Why does the Church of God believe that the Second Coming Christ is Ahnsahnghong?

    Through the parable of the fig tree, Jesus revealed that He would come for the second time in 1948, when Israel—represented as the fig tree—would gain its independence. Ahnsahnghong came in 1948 according to the prophecy of the fig tree, so the Church of God believes in Him as the Second Coming Christ.

    Then, does the Bible disclose when Jesus will come?

    When the disciples asked about the signs of Jesus’ second coming and of the end of the age, Jesus said:

    Matt. 24:3-33 『”…At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, And all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on
    The clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with
    a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end
    of the heavens to the other. Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its
    twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so,
    when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.”』

    Since it is written, “As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that it is near,” we must come to know the timing of the fig tree and we must receive Jesus when He comes a second time.

    First, we must understand what the fig tree represents. As it is written,

    Luke 13:6-7 『Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?'”』

    What does Jesus’ looking for fruit on a fig tree planted in a vineyard, for three years, mean? It means that Jesus preached the gospel to the Israelites for three years, searching for the fruit of the gospel. Therefore, the fig tree stands for Israel.
    Through many other Bible verses, let’s confirm that the fig tree in the vineyard represents Israel.

    Isa. 5:7, KJV 『For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant.』

    In the above verse also, the vineyard represents the country Israel, and the plant [the tree] stands for the people of Israel. Let’s look at another verse concerning this.

    Jer. 24:5 『”This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Like these good figs, I regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I sent away from this place to the land of the Babylonians.’”』

    Since it is written that God regards the exiles from Judah as the good figs, it is clear that the fig tree stands for Israel.

    In Luke 13:7, Jesus told His disciples to cut down a fig tree that had not borne any fruit. Just as He had told them, Israel—which rejected the gospel that Jesus had preached for three years—was completely destroyed by Roman soldiers in A.D. 70. Following its collapse, the people of Israel were scattered all over the world, as a stateless people, for about 1,900 years.

    After much time had passed, the fig tree—that had been cut and dried up—began to revive. Its twigs got tender and its leaves came out. When did all of this happen? The revival of the fig tree occurred in 1948. On May 14, 1948, Israel proclaimed her independence and recovered her sovereignty. The fig tree, which seemed to have completely died, revived. At that time, Jesus came for a second time, as was prophesied. He was Christ Ahnsahnghong, whom every Christian had been waiting for. The Church of God received Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, as Savior.

    Rom. 11:26 『And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.”』

    Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, came from Zion in 1948, as had been prophesied in the parable of the fig tree. Now He is calling you. Will you let Him stand at your door, or will you open the door and receive Him?

    We earnestly hope that you will open your door and receive Ahnsahnghong—the Second Coming Jesus—and be given the promise of salvation.

    Clearly, this is One of the Many prophecies Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfill for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Israel really gain it’s independence the same time Christ Ahnsahnghong got baptize and started preaching the true teachings of Jesus Christ: Passover of the New Covenant, Sabbath Day, Veil cover for women, Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, The Feast of Unleavened Bread, The Feast of Firstfruits, The Feast of Weeks, The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, The Feast of Tabernacles, Cross is a heresy, Christmas is not the birthday of Jesus Christ, Thanksgiving Day is a man-made tradition, False Prophets through Jesus Christ Parable of the Weeds and Wheat. There’s only one church that keeps all Father’s will and commandments. WORLD MISSION SOCIETY CHURCH OF GOD. I’ve check other churches and they keep more rules taught by men, not from God. There’s one thing on saying ” I believe in you Jesus Christ as my personal savior than actually following ALL His commandments and His will according to the Bible”:

    John 14:15 [If you love me, you will obey what I command.]

    World Mission Society Church of God follows ALL God’s commandments and will so that makes them the true church according to the Bible. Other churches only keeps man-made traditions: Sunday as their day of rest, Communion as Jesus body and blood which is from the Catholic celebrated by most Christians whenever they want, Christmas as Jesus Christ birthday. God bless you all.

  160. Those approved by God
    Father Ahnsahnghong
    World Mission Society Church of God

    People in the world live in their own way of life, with their own opinions. Some say this is right, and others that is true. In political circles, the government party and opposition parties are pitted against each other in divided opinions. And sometimes people take a stand against their neighbors, raising their voices. And even husband and wife quarrel with each other because of their different way of life.

    If each of them claims to be right, who will tell right from wrong? Judging from the Bible, it is only God who can finally distinguish between right and wrong. So, there is the Last Judgment in the Bible.

    Now, children of Zion are streaming to Jerusalem. At Jesus’ first coming, the apostles, who proclaimed the truth, were persecuted; and the Early Church―the Church of God―was slandered. It is the same now. This time, let’s think who is approved by God through the Bible.

    A man approved by a fortune-teller

    There was a man named Beommungong during the Song Dynasty in China. When young, he visited a fortune-teller and asked him about his future. “Will I make the prime minister?” The fortune-teller gazed intently at his face and told him that he wouldn’t be able to be the prime minister. Then he asked the fortune-teller whether he would be a doctor.

    Since a doctor was regarded as mean in those days, the fortune-teller looked at him dubiously and asked back why he would change his job from the prime minister to a doctor that was not recognized.

    “I thought I would be able to relieve the people from misery if I became the prime minister. But you said I was not qualified for it. So I came to think I would be of some help to the people as a doctor by looking after the patient suffering pain. That’s why I asked you if I would be able to be a doctor.”

    Then the fortune-teller slapped his knee and took back his words, saying that he would be able to be the prime minister. This time, Beommungong looked dubious and demanded an explanation of it, “Why do you reverse your former prediction? Once you said I would not be able to be the prime minister and now you say I will be. Your prediction is unconvincing.”

    Then the fortune-teller said, “There are several factors deciding one’s fate. The most important one is mind. According to your star, you are not fated to be the prime minister. But judging from your mentality, you are eligible for it. At first I was not far-sighted enough to search your mind. You will surely be the prime minister.”

    ‘People who know righteousness’ approved by God

    Beommungong was approved by the fortune-teller, who read his mind, to be suitable for the prime minister. How about us? By whom should we be approved?

    Isa. 51:4-8 『”Listen to me, my people; hear me, my nation: The law will go out from me; my justice will become a light to the nations. My righteousness draws near speedily, my salvation is on the way, and my arm will bring justice to the nations … Hear me, you who know what is right (righteousness, KJV), you people who have my law in your hearts: Do not fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults. For the moth will eat them up like a garment; the worm will devour them like wool. But my righteousness will last forever, my salvation through all generations.”』

    ‘You who know righteousness,’ ‘you people who have my [God’s] law in your hearts’―who are they? They are the people in Zion where God established the law of the new covenant. They are we ourselves. God, the Judge of all, has approved us. How trustworthy and authentic!

    We are approved not by a mere fortune-teller to be the prime minister in a country, but by God to be a royal priesthood who will live forever in the kingdom of heaven. But those approved by God are to be slandered by those who are not approved by Him.

    The righteousness are slandered by the wicked

    As for the righteous of the world, they are not approved by all. Confucius of ancient China gave a definition of a great man. One day, Zigong a pupil of Confucius asked him, “Teacher, who is a great man? If the whole village speaks well of a man, is he great?” Then Confucius shook his head and said: “No. If a man is approved by the respectable, he must be a great man.

    But if he is approved by the wicked, he cannot be regarded as great. So, if the whole village speaks well of a person, he may not be worthy.” Zigong asked him again, “Then, who is a great man? Confucius answered: “He who is approved by the respectable but disapproved by the wicked is really a great man.” It would seem that the great were reproached by the wicked in the time of Confucius, too.

    So God said to us, “Do not fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults.” If the wicked speak ill of us, undoubtedly we are the righteous. None of the righteous speak ill of us. The great God, beautiful angels and our forefathers of great faith―all the righteous commend us for keeping the new covenant and preaching with zeal. But the wicked always slander us by telling all kinds of lies. Viewed in this light, what Confucius said is somewhat worthy of note. He said: A great person is approved by the respectable but disapproved by the wicked. Undoubtedly this word applies to the brothers and sisters in Zion.

    Truth is approved by God, but rejected by men

    Let’s constantly consider who is approved by God.

    2 Cor. 10:14-18 『 … For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.』

    Ps. 1:1-6 『Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night. He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers. Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.』

    We ought to be approved by God. It is only the people in Zion who are commended by God. The wicked commend those taking part in wicked deeds with them, not those doing what is right. They approve and commend false doctrines and the churches following them. So those who do what is right and walk in the paths of righteousness are always checked by the wicked.

    Throughout the 66 books of the Bible, no record says that the truth is approved by all men. It has been maligned by the wicked. When Nehemiah built the temple by the will of God, the wicked men like Tobiah and Sanballat troubled him. Some joined in building the temple and rejoiced over it. But the wicked continuously kept them from building the wall of the temple so that it might not reach its height.

    It was the same with Jesus who came into this earth 2,000 years ago. The righteous people including His disciples and Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea were all astonished at Jesus’ teaching and really wanted to follow Him. But the chief priests and the teachers of the law and the Pharisees, whom Jesus scolded for their wickedness, saying, “Woe to you”―they all rejected and reproached Jesus. They slandered Him, saying, “He is inciting the people to rebellion.” And they attempted even to kill Jesus by stoning Him, saying, “… because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

    The saints of the Early Church suffered the same thing. They were persecuted and troubled; they were maligned by the wicked. But in the sight of God and of the spirits of the righteous, they were great and worthy. Neither in the Early Church nor in the days of Noah and Abraham did it occur that the righteous were commended by the wicked. Thus, Biblical history shows us that the truth is to be approved by God but slandered by the wicked.

    God told us not to fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults. For the reproach is from the wicked, not from God. We are approved by God and the spirits of the righteous but reproached by the wicked. This is an evidence that we have all the qualifications for the great and the righteous and that we follow the way of truth. God watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish―this is God’s will.

    ‘Ministers of the new covenant’ approved by God

    Who approves us? That is important. Those approved by God are in Zion the city of God’s appointed feasts; they follow the Lamb wherever He goes and become united with each other and take delight in doing the will of God.

    2 Tim. 2:15 『Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.』

    We are approved and called by God to be His workers.

    2 Cor. 3:5-6 『Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant―not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.』

    Now, we are keeping and proclaiming the decrees and laws of the new covenant. Those approved by God are the ministers of the new covenant. Most of today’s churches do not keep the new covenant. They are far from God’s decrees and laws; they call, ‘Lord, Lord,’ but they deny Him by their actions.

    They are against the truth, just as the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were against Jesus 2,000 years ago, saying, “You, a mere man, claim to be God,” “He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect.” We don’t need to fear the reproach of those without God’s approval or be terrified by their insults. Though they regard us as heretics, God approves us. Jesus and the apostles who followed Him―they all entered the kingdom of heaven. What is important is God’s approval, not men’s.

    When we understand that, we can walk in the way of faith with joy. We are greatly blessed, for God has approved us but the wicked speak ill of us.

    The new covenant is the testimony of God

    God shows us what His testimony is as follows:

    1 John 5:9-13 『We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. … And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. …』

    God has said that when we have Jesus in us, we have eternal life. And He has showed us the way to remain in Jesus.

    John 6:53-57 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』

    Jesus has promised that His flesh is the Passover bread and His blood the Passover wine. So, if anyone does not eat the Passover bread and drink its wine, though he claims to be a Christian, he cannot be approved by God (Matt. 7:21~23). Christian faith is the belief in God’s promise. Jesus has promised that He will give eternal life to those who celebrate the Passover of the new covenant, and that He will remain in them. So, no one can have Jesus in him unless he celebrates the Passover. From this, we can see that God approves those who keep the new covenant―the saints of the Church of God.

    Those who are redeemed from the earth in the last days are the people who are with the Lamb in Zion, the city of God’s appointed feasts. They are the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus (Rev. 14:1~3, 12). God approves and saves them.

    God’s word is the criterion of everything

    We should judge everything on the basis of God’s word, not the wicked’s.
    When there are divided opinions at home, or when we confer with our brothers and sisters on a matter to make a decision in Zion, we must make God’s word become the criterion for such a matter and settle it according to God’s will.

    Then it will surely bring us a good result. For God leads us in His truth and teaches us, so that we may have all the good―eternal life, everlasting joy, peace, ….
    Putting aside our thoughts, let’s follow God’s teachings and make only God’s word become the criterion for distinguishing between truth and falsehood.

    A man who is approved by the righteous but slandered by the wicked―he is really a righteous person. Taking this fact to heart, let’s always pay attention to God’s word and judgment; let’s follow the truth only, not minding what the wicked say about us. There are still many souls not knowing the truth. Let’s all pull together to lead them to Zion by making them distinguish truth from falsehood.

  161. I think that this post is never true.
    Because my mother had gone to Church of God before 2 years. And she became always HAPPY and had a good mind.
    So I also went to Church of God with my mother before 1 year.
    So I feel that members of Church of God are very nice and good example for many people.
    And they also follow teaching of True God.

  162. In August, 2004, The Mother of the Church of God was awarded a medal by president Roh Moo-hyun and dozens of pastors were also grated medals from various groups, which show that the Korean government gave the church of God credit for its achievement.
    This is the second official acknowledgement given to the Church of God, following a 2003 presidential award granted to Kim Joo-cheol, the chief pastor of the Church of God by then president Kim Dae-jung.
    If the Church of God is the heresy, how can these things possible?
    Is it possible that Government give Citation from President to the heresy?
    Certainly Not.

    In fact, the Church of God is famous for its active volunteer activities.
    -Supplying of fee meals at the Deagu subway tragedy for 55days
    -Volunteer service for typhoon-damaged area
    -Volunteer service for the heavy snow-damaged area( and so on.)
    There are so many volunteer activities.

    The church of God actively engaged in volunteer activities and served its role as supporters, spreading the love of Christ and Korea’s affectionate image all across the world.

  163. Do you know that Church of God received many
    awards in Korea?

    The good deeds of the Church of God have set examples for society. In recognition of their devotional volunteer activities, the Church of God has received many letters of appreciation from home and abroad including various medals and the Korean Presidential Citation Award.

    If the Church of God is cult,
    Church of God can not receive the Korean Presidential Citation Award.
    Isn’t it right?

    Church of God follow only the teachings of Christ.
    And Church of God spread the love of God to the whole world.

  164. “Putting aside our thoughts, let’s follow God’s teachings and make only God’s word become the criterion for distinguishing between truth and falsehood.”

    I will not put aside my thoughts as you are doing. I am honestly curious how many families this has disrupted. Are you in contact with all of your family members? Will the COG pay for my daughter to see a counselor because her Dad has chosen the “Church” over seeing her, getting a job, and paying child support?

    Are you still married if you were before you found COG?
    Have you been to Korea?

    “The name is Ahnsahnghong, Jesus’ new name (John 5:39). ”

    Really, what Bible is this in brofromzion?

    “Ahn sang-hong made a number of predictions in his early books, the most prominent two being his 1967 and 1988 predictions for the Second Coming of Christ. The World Mission Society Church of God claims that Ahn sang-hong was the second coming of Jesus, despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return.”

    How can someone predict that someone is coming and be that person. This is common sense. How come these books are not available anywhere?

    “He would come for the second time in 1948”
    Using the year he was baptized for this one?

    I can’t see how any of this makes sense, and am not “wicked” because I chose to think for myself and not accept things that do not make any sense.

    The Church receiving awards does not make them right. It means that they have done nice things. That is a good thing, but sad that it is used to distract people from the truth.

    Please use your minds to sort through this.

    Jesus warned us to be careful of false prophets who would appear to deceive many people in the last days.

    Matt. 7:15 『”Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.”』

    http://text.watv.org/english/truth/view.html?idx=337

  165. Hi!!
    Do you know that? We have to follow the commands of God. Because if we said I know God but does not do what he commands is a liar!!!

    1 John 2:3-5
    [ We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
    The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him]

    so we have to follow does who keep the commands of God.
    The Bible testified that Sabath and Pssover and Vail is commends of God. We can’t find SUNDAY SERVIE and CHRISTMAS and CROSS in the BIBLE.
    It is man made rule. So If we follow nan made rule, traditions of man, we can’t distinguish truth and false!!! and our worship God is in vain, useless!!!

    Mark 7:7-9
    [‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
    They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’
    You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”
    And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!]

    Isa 29:9-14
    [Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer.
    The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets); he has covered your heads (the seers).
    For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, “Read this, please,” he will answer, “I can’t; it is sealed.”
    Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, “Read this, please,” he will answer, “I don’t know how to read.”
    The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
    Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.”]

    Please keep the commands of God and have a wisidon to distinguish the Truth!!

  166. to all COG members

    I want to ask a few question about COG..
    what is the meaning of judgement day for you?
    144,000 COG members gather in South Korea with Heavenly Mother there? Is that true? why is it so simple?

    144,000 elected members + Heavenly Mother (New Jerusalem) = Judgement day

    ????

    When Ahn Sang Hong still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or in his own name?

    and

    When Ahn Sang Hong wanted to go preaching to China..(1984 or 1985 if I’m not wrong) Did he die? And where was his physical body?

    quick question.. are we an angel according to you?

    Thanks God Bless

    nijuroku

  167. Hi!!

    When Jesus still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or Jehovah?

    If you have any question please Visit http://text.watv.org/english/

    Thanks

  168. Hallo~~
    Are you still confusing???

    Please Do not be confused by false prophets.
    Plz Check here!!!

    The Supreme Court has ruled that it is illegal to falsely state that the Church of God preaches a time-limited eschatology and wrecks families.

    http://news.watv.org/press/content.asp?gub=n&sec=&page=7&articleid=n20070129144

  169. Jason, Nijuroko Good question though but unfortunately these members do not have an answer. They are blinded one dude follows the other

    Their god collects medals and awards and their good deeds are proclaimed. There are people around the world doing much more than their God.
    Feeding the 55 at the subway is no big thing. Their God has to get out of Korea to see the sufferings in the rest of the world. I wonder if she even ever visited those 400 churches outside of Korea to see how tirelessly the members have worked.
    By the way awards, medals, certificates and court cases can all be bought. Where there is no corruption especially when it becomes a big organization.

    Its not a matter of getting confused false prophets will be like wolf in sheep clothing and COG is one of them We have to test spirits not by achievements of medals, awards. and through a few scriptures in the bible that have been twisted to suit their needs.

    When Ahn Sang Hong still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or in his own name?

    When Jesus still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or Jehovah?

    Ahn Sang Hong’s baptism in the first place is invalid as he got baptized in SDA which is cult and as a budhhist he worshipped idols, and offered candles and flowers in the temple . Brainwashed with SDA like these members who fill the boards with the same old crap he too realised religion was a good way of making business. But sad to say he did not live to enjoy the fruits of his labor. The cream is relished by the MJ & Joo cheol or probably they came with this idea of claiming him as Jesus after his death
    To clear our confusion and make us believe you must answer all the questions and give us his family history both of your mother and Father Ahn
    I tell you no longer have to stand at the malls, campus or subway to convince people. you shall have many followers.

  170. I can safely conclude that absolutely NONE of the CoG members even know Jesus personally. They know nothing of the Holy Spirit and the Father. If they did, they would never start worshipping a woman like the Israelites started worshipping the gold calf.

    You Pharisees, you preach your legalism and lead people astray. You don’t even know that before the cross was even used as an instrument of torture, God used it as a symbol of victory and triumph over enemies. Go and read the Pentateuch and count the numbers of the tribes of Israel as they marched before, after and by the sides of the tarbernacle.

    You are spiritually blind! You deny the power of the cross and deny the words of Jesus, of Paul, of the apostles who rejoiced because of what the cross has done for us. Jesus Himself told us to bear our cross daily in Luke 9:23. Are you telling me that Jesus was teaching things that are not in obedience to God? By this everyone can see that you are followers of Satan in that you deny the cross of Jesus!

    Blind and legalistic, the lot of you! You claim that the bible was corrupted, and that only the CoG members have the “true” revelation. Well I say that I want NO PART of your pitiful, weak, powerless, stupid god. My God, Jesus Christ, protected His Word from everything that tried to go against it and it remains true. Not like your stupid Ang Sahn Hong god, or fake mother god. Both of them were too powerless to even protect their word from corruption by men or by the devil. Why, that simply means that the devil and even men are more powerful than your useless gods!

    Oh, how angry it makes me to see how they pervert the truth to fit their cult teachings and destroy people’s families. Repent from your falsehoods! If not, then at least stop dragging people down to hell with you!

  171. Hi scarletfire. God bless you. Well, I notice you keep asking me if I’m married and I was never married to any woman. So now you know. I’m very close to my family too. So you said that Christ Ahnsahnghong made predictions of the Second Coming of Christ and He never claimed He is the One who fulfill the prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ. Here’s why:

    Did Ahnsahnghong claimed to be the Christ?

    Of course not.

    Now we will analyze this question and answer. This is even more proof that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, for the reason that he never claimed to be the Christ. According to the concept of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one and the same God. Jehovah came in the flesh as Son Jesus, but he will return a Second time as the Holy Spirit, or the Second Coming Christ.

    Rev 1:8 {”I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”}

    I am the Alpha and the Omega, says God. Who is, Jesus the Son. Who was, Jehovah the Father…..Then who is to come…Who is the one to come?

    Jn 16:5-12{ ”Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.}

    Jn 14:26 {But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.}

    The one to come is the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not just some kind of energy, like some people think otherwise why did Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as “HIM” or “HE”, spirits do not have a gender, gender is only given to those who take the flesh. because not only does he have a gender but according to the Bible he also has a name:

    Mt 28:19 { Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,}

    The Bible says baptize them in THE NAME, not the title of the Father, Jehovah. in THE NAME of the Son, Jesus and in THE NAME of the Holy Spirit. then if the Father and the Son have a name, that means that the Holy Spirit should also have a name. The name of the Father is not Father, that is his title. in the same way the name of the Holy Spirit is not Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, then if the Holy Spirit has a name, that must mean that he Holy Spirit is coming in the flesh. the coming of the Holy Spirit in the flesh is actually the Coming of the Second Coming Christ.

    Then when you see the Jesus’ explanation of the coming of the Holy Spirit, you see that he says that the Holy Spirit will not speak on his own, he will take from what is Jesus and make it known to us, he will remind us of everything Jesus Christ said to us. but why does he need to remind us????….. The reason is because people forgot, about the Sabbath day:

    Luke 4:16 { He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read}

    about the Passover:

    Mt 26:17-28{On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ “So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover…While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.}

    about the Feasts of God that Jesus kept and taught. As Christians we should follow the example of Christ”

    Jn 13:15 {I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.}

    But the only one to remind us of all these truths has been Christ Ahnsahnghong. according to prophecy Christ Ahnsahnghong as the Holy Spirit, cannot speak on his own, he can only remind us of what Jesus Christ said. God knew many false Christs were going to appear proclaiming themselves to be Christ. for this reason he prophesied about the true Second Coming Christ, Jesus Christ testified about the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong. In the Same way that Jehovah the Father testified about the coming of Jesus.

    John 5:31 {”If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. There is one who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.”}

    Lastly, to get a good understanding of what happens when Christ reveals his identity to others.

    Mark 14:61-65 “…Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? “I am,” said Jesus…”You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.”

    -The moment he said he was Christ, he was charged w/ blasphemy and condemned to death. Same thing happens in Luke.

    Luke 22:67 {”If you are the Christ,” they said, “tell us.” Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me…”}

    Then by Christ Ahnsahnghong not proclaiming himself to be Christ he fulfilled another prophecy. According to his teachings he is God, the Second Coming Christ.

    Jn 7:24 {Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”}

    Jn 7:16-18 { Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.}

    Let us stop Judging God by mere appearances, let us see his teachings; in this way by studying the truth that Christ Ahnsahnghong taught you will see that it is impossible for these teachings to come from a man. Actions are stronger than words.

  172. Hi Jamie. God bless you. I see this is your blog. I really thank you for creating this. I learn a lot. So you said we all should keep Jesus cross. Do you know that the cross has no power at all?

    The Church of God does not erect crosses inside the church or on top of it, in accordance with the teachings of the Second Coming Christ, Ahnsahnghong. The cross is an idol, and God’s people must never adore the cross, or bow down to it.

    Nowadays, nearly every church uses the cross to symbolize Christ; however, the cross had been utilized as a pagan religious symbol long before Christ’s crucifixion. The Bible never condones the use of the cross, and not a single verse reads, “The cross is to be the symbol of the church,” or, “The cross should be erected on top of the church,” or even, “The cross should be treated as a sacred symbol because it represents the precious blood of Christ.”

    Historically, the cross was only used as an executioner’s tool. The apostles never believed or testified that the cross should be erected within the church and revered by God’s people. The truth of the Early Church did not include any teachings about the cross. The Early Church did not use the cross to symbolize Christianity and they did not believe that the cross held any power to drive out evil spirits. The saints of the Early Church did, however, repeatedly stress that idol worshipers would never be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    We need to judge for ourselves whether it is right to set up the cross—following the customs of men—or whether we should refrain from using the cross, in accordance with God’s teachings. God commanded His people not to use or make idols, of any form.

    History discloses that the ancient Babylonians were the first people to use the cross for the purpose of worship; the symbol was used to worship Tammuz, the Babylonian god. The first letter of his name (“T”) was inscribed on the official garments of the priests, and their amulets were molded into the same shape. Thus, the cross was a pagan religious symbol.

    As the Babylonian culture spread to Egypt, the cross—the symbol of the Babylonian god—was also introduced into Egyptian religion. The wall paintings within the ancient Egyptian temples, as well as their monuments, depict Egyptian kings and gods holding crosses in their hands. The relics of Amenophis IV are covered with crosses, hanging around the sun. Assyrian sculpted monuments show soldiers with crosses around their necks as they battle against Egypt, and the symbol adorned the necks of the Assyrian kings. Thus, the cross had been used as an ornament to decorate garments, beginning around 1400 B.C.

    The Romans also worshiped the cross before their culture had fully developed, placing it over their tombs as a charm. Cross-idolatry continued even after the Roman Empire was established. Roman coins, crafted in 46 B.C., hold Jupiter’s portrait, along with a scepter where a cross hangs. The cross, popularly known as the “Calvary Cross,” is also found on the ancient gravestones in Thessaly, Greece.

    Considering such historical evidence, it is clear that the cross had been worshiped by pagans long before the Christian era. It had been widely used to inflict capital punishment after being chosen, in the age of the Roman Empire, as a tool of execution. In those days, the cross was an instrument used to crucify vicious criminals. Since Jesus was hung on the cross, we can guess how much the people had hated Him.

    Nowadays, most churches use the cross. We can clearly see how corrupted Christianity became after adopting pagan customs. To use the cross as a symbol of the church is an abominable thing, and the churches who erect the cross inadvertently participate in the scheme of the devil—who put Jesus to death.

    Many Catholics—who consider the cross to be an object of worship, and Protestants—who use the cross as a symbol of Christ, believe that the cross has been used since the days of the Early Church. However, there is no record of the cross being erected on the Early Church, or of such a pattern being made into an ornament. Historically, the cross first appeared in a church or chamber in 431 A.D., and it was first erected on the top of a steeple in 586 A.D. Thus, veneration of the cross was only a religious custom that appeared after Christianity had begun to absorb paganism.

    We have to understand the true meaning of the cross, as it was written in the New Testament. The Bible does not boast of the cross itself on which Christ was crucified, but instead, the Bible boasts of Christ, who was sacrificed on the cross, shedding His blood for our sins.

    Gal. 6:14 『May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.』

    1 Cor. 1:17-23 『…lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God….but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles…』

    The cross itself has no power and it cannot grant us salvation. The instrument itself, on which Jesus was sacrificed, is not important. It is only through the precious blood of Jesus that we can receive the forgiveness of our sins.

    Eph. 1:7 『In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace…』

    Some who boast of the cross say, “If there had not been a cross, there would have been no blood-shedding, no atonement for our salvation, and the prophecy that Jesus would be sacrificed as the Passover lamb, shedding His blood, would not have been fulfilled. Therefore, the cross—on which Jesus shed His precious blood—is the boast of Christians, and a symbol of faith.” If this argument were true, they would accept the following false logic as well: “If there had not been no Jews and no Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus and instigated His crucifixion, the prophecy about Jesus shedding His precious blood would not have been fulfilled. Therefore, even Pilate—who executed Jesus—should be respected because he was the person who fulfilled God’s prophecy. He should be venerated as a symbol of salvation in addition to the cross.” However, Jesus spoke of Judas Iscariot as follows:

    Mark 14:21 『”The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”』

    The cross is merely a cursed tree (Gal. 3:13), used by the Romans as a tool of execution. Those who hung Jesus on that tree will be tortured in everlasting hell.

    It was already prophesied in the Book of Law that, after the crucifixion, the cross would be publicly used within churches. Long ago, the Israelites went through the desert and bypassed the land of Edom. The people grew impatient along the way and spoke against God and against Moses. Then God’s wrath came upon them; He sent venomous snakes to bite the people of Israel, and many died. After hearing Moses’ prayer, however, God ordered him to make a bronze snake to deliver the Israelites.

    Num. 21:8-9 『The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.』

    The bronze snake itself had no power; it could not make the Israelites live. It was only God’s word that allowed the Israelites to live: “Anyone who is bitten can look at it [the bronze snake] and live.” The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake up to the time of King Hezekiah, falsely believing that the bronze snake had saved them.

    2 Kings 18:4 『He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)』
    ※”Nehushtan” means “a piece of bronze.”

    The Israelites, who had been bitten by a snake, could live by looking at the bronze snake. This history is a shadow and reveals that mortal spirits, who were deceived by Satan, can live by looking at Jesus Christ—by His precious blood of sacrifice.

    John 3:14 『”Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”』

    Just as the bronze snake had no power to give life, the cross itself, on which Jesus died, has no power to give us life. We can be saved only by the words of God—”The precious blood of Christ is the only thing that can give you life.” The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake for almost a thousand years after Moses. This abominable act is a shadow, the reality of which is seen in all of the people who worship the cross—a mere instrument of capital punishment—forgetting the power of Jesus’ precious blood, the power of the Passover. We must not set up any image to worship God, because God is spirit. The sacred law of the new covenant is the only way to worship God, and it is the true symbol of salvation.

    Deut. 27:15 『Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol—a thing detestable to the LORD, the work of the craftsman’s hands—and sets it up in secret.』

    Jer. 10:3-5 『For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk.』

    The cross is mere an idol and cannot give us salvation. It is a tree that is cut out of the forest and shaped by a craftsman’s chisel.

    The Catholic Church honors Mary as the Mother of Jesus, as “the Mother of God,” praying in front of statues of Mary. On the surface, such a practice appears to be a good way to teach filial piety, but within such worship is hidden the scheme of the devil, who takes advantage of the human mentality.

    Matt. 12:46-50 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』

    Out of all of the creatures that He had created, Jesus chose a woman, Mary, to make Himself flesh, so that He might come to this earth.

    It is not Biblical to revere a mere woman, one of God’s creatures, claiming that she is the Mother of God—the Creator—simply because she bore Him. Actually, the practice of worshipping the image of Mary—followed by the Catholic Church—originated in the ancient Babylonian religion, not in the Early Church. In Babylon, there was a powerful king named Nimrod (Gen. 10:8) whose wife was named Semiramis. Because of her husband’s high position, Semiramis wielded great power. She claimed that when Nimrod died, he became the sun god. She named her son Tammuz and proclaimed him to be the reincarnation of Nimrod. Semiramis, the mother, was worshipped along with her child. Babylonian monuments depict the goddess Semiramis, holding her son, Tammuz, in her arms.

    This worship of “mother and child” spread to many other ancient countries who were under the influence of Babylon. In Germany, the goddess Hertha was depicted with her child in her arms, and Indian relics show the goddess Indrani carrying her child in her arms. In Egypt, the mother figure was referred to as Isis and her child as Horus. There are many statues and images of Isis, holding the infant Horus on her knee. This ancient, pagan religion spread to Rome, where it widely prevailed.

    These pagan customs infiltrated early Christianity, and the worship of the pagan goddess was reinterpreted as Mary holding the Baby Jesus. Thus, the Catholic Church’s worship of Mary originated in pagan idolatry, not from the Bible.

    Lev. 26:1 『Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it.』

    Deut. 27:15 『Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol─a thing detestable to the Lord, the work of the craftsman’s hands─and sets it up in secret.』

    From the Biblical point of view, sculpted images of Mary are idols. Whoever erects them, so that they may be worshipped, will be eternally cursed by God and will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Is it clear to you? God bless you.

    • JEREMIAH CHAPTER 10: 1-6 THE CROSS, DETESTABLE TO GOD

  173. The way of humility
    Father Ahnsahnghong
    World Mission Society Church of God

    “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
    Christ began to preach the kingdom of heaven by urging people to repent (Mt 4:17). The first step of repentance is to realize that we are sinners and to humble ourselves. In order to achieve a complete repentance and the hope for heaven, we are to follow the way of humility.

    Humility is the opposite of arrogance. Studying the previous lives of the kings of Tyre and Babylon in Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14, we can see that pride is the basic cause of sin. Because of our arrogance, we were implicated in Lucifer’s sin and were cast down to earth. We were angels in heaven, being placed in high positions, but by being proud we defiled ourselves and committed sin to be hurled down to the earth. Through this fact, we understand why we must humble ourselves before God.

    Learn the humility of Christ

    Martin Luther the Reformer ever said, “I’ve never tried to learn the miracles of Jesus. I just want to learn His humility.” Jesus Christ came to seek and save the lost; He gave His disciples many teachings on humility and showed them His personal example of humility. Apostle Paul strongly urged the saints to have the same attitude or mind as Christ―which is the attitude of humility.

    Php 2:3-11 『… but in humility consider others better than yourselves.… Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death―even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place … and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.』

    Whoever wants to repent and returns to heaven must have the same attitude of humility as Christ. Just as Paul and Luther said, humility is one of the most important virtues we should learn from Christ. God asks us to humble ourselves to remove our pride that caused us to sin in heaven.

    Lk 18:9-14 『To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men―robbers, evildoers, adulterers―or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”』

    God justified the tax collector rather than the Pharisee, and showed him favor; for the tax collector would not even look up to heaven and acknowledged himself to be a sinner, asking God for His mercy, while the Pharisee proclaimed his own righteousness.
    Whoever exalts himself, whoever is arrogant, will be humbled. But he who humbles himself and recognizes his sinfulness like the tax collector, will be exalted and receive glory in heaven; for he always thanks God for saving him a sinner and lives in accordance with His will. Think of Christ, the example of exaltation after humility; since He humbled himself, He became highly exalted and glorified.

    God gives grace to the humble

    Apostle Peter, who was taught by Jesus about humility, gave us a teaching as follows:

    1 Pe 5:5-6 『 … All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time.』

    God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble and lift them up in due time. If we realize our sins in heaven and always have the attitude of the tax collector who deeply repented his sins, saying, “Lord, I am a sinner,” how dare we proclaim our own righteousness before God and insist upon our own opinion and reign over others?

    1 Pe 5:1-4 『… Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, serving as overseers―not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.』

    When we set a good example of humility, when we seek to gain the understanding of others rather than insist upon our own opinion and consider them better than ourselves just as Christ taught us, the hearers of the gospel will attain to its full understanding under the guidance of God. God is with him who is lowly in spirit (Isa 57:15), and He saves the humble (Job 22:29; Ps 149:4). Power comes from humility; for it is stronger than pride. Taking it to heart, we shall follow Christ’s example of humility.

    King Nebuchadnezzar and King Saul were brought down by their arrogance

    There are many biblical cases of those who were brought low due to their arrogance. In Daniel 4, when Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon became proud and completely forgot about God, thinking that he did it all by himself, he lost his mind and lived like an animal, and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven. He lost all his power and was brought low, lower than any men. After that, he learned humility. When he became humble, his wisdom and understanding returned to him and his kingdom was restored to him (Da 4:24-37).

    Man has a sinful nature of pride which caused him to fall into sin. So just being praised makes him easily haughty and arrogant. One such example pertains to King Saul.

    1 Sa 15:10-23 『Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel: “I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” … Samuel said to Saul. “… Although you were once small in your own eyes, did you not become the head of the tribes of Israel? The LORD anointed you king over Israel. And he sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.’ Why did you not obey the LORD? Why did you pounce on the plunder and do evil in the eyes of the LORD? … To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.”』

    Considering the case of King Saul, we can fully understand what kind of people God uses. When Saul was small in his own eyes, God made him king. But when he became arrogant, God regretted that He made him king.

    From the moment Saul thought to himself, ‘Now I can do everything all by myself,” he began to disobey God’s command. Such a thought made him proud, and he dared even to exalt his own opinion over God’s command; God had commanded him to completely destroy the Amalekites, but he didn’t obey God and spared the fat calves and lambs. For this, God rebuked him through the prophet Samuel.

    If Saul had remained humble after he was exalted to the throne, he would have obeyed God’s word. However, he became full of pride and disobeyed God. Finally he was rejected by God and died a miserable death.

    All this was written to teach us. God humbles the proud and exalts the humble. We must understand why God emphasizes humility. Pride is a root cause of every sin which makes us separate from God. That’s why God re-peatedly tells us to be humble.

    God trained His people to be humble through hardships in the desert

    Ezekiel 28 shows that the king of Tyre was anointed as a guardian cherub in heaven, who was blameless in his ways from the day he was created, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. But his heart became proud on account of his beauty and foolishly thought that he would exalt his throne above the throne of God. This shows how proud the first criminal was in his heart.

    Pride arises in our hearts when we forget that we sinned against God and were cast down from heaven to the earth. It becomes greater when we depend only on our own wisdom, knowledge and strength, not asking for God’s help. We are earnestly longing to go back to our heavenly home. To urge people throughout the world to repent, first we must remove all pride from our hearts and humble ourselves.

    Dt 8:1-6 『 … Remember how the LORD your God led you all the way in the desert these forty years, to humble you and to test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his command. He humbled you, causing you to hunger … Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you. Observe the commands of the LORD your God, walking in his ways and revering him.』

    God trained the Israelites in the desert for forty years, in order to make them humble. He thus trained His children on earth lest they should repeat Lucifer’s rebellion in heaven. Now God trains us in this spiritual desert. If we still want to be exalted, it is against God’s will, isn’t it?

    God wants us to be changed into the humble ones. His teachings about humility is not hard to find in the Bible. If we refuse to humble ourselves and remain proud, exalting ourselves above others, until the end of our life of faith in this spiritual desert, we will lose the heavenly Canaan.
    Let’s consider the attitude of faith God wants us to have, through the following story.

    Attitude of humility with a serving heart

    A man dreamed he went to heaven. There were numerous thrones for the saints, the royal priests, and he found the highest throne unoccupied. He wondered who would sit on the throne. Then an angel beside him told that the throne would be occupied by his teacher.

    When he woke up from his dream, he wondered if his teacher was really worthy to occupy the throne. He asked his teacher how he estimated himself. Then he replied, “I consider myself the most evil person in the world.” “What do you mean by that?” he asked in surprise. His teacher said to him:

    “If God had given His grace to any other person, he would have been much better than me. In spite of having received such a great blessing from God, I’ve not completely humbled myself and repented enough, so I have failed to lead more people into the right path. That’s why I consider myself as the most wicked person in the world.”

    The teacher’s attitude we should imitate. He humbled himself before God, feeling sorry for not leading more people to God in spite of having received His great blessing. Humility is a virtue Christians must have.

    Everything we have comes from God. So we have nothing to boast of in the presence of God (cf. 1 Co 4:6-7). If the grace of God given to me was given to any other person, he would bring more glory to God than me and perform His gospel work more faithfully. Thinking that way, we must humble ourselves.

    Apostle Paul called himself ‘the worst of sinner’ (1 Ti 1:15). He had received so much grace from God, but he thought that if it had been given to any other person, he would have made even greater achievements than him. He thus humbled himself and considered himself the least of all. He devoted himself wholly to the gospel of Christ, feeling obligated to preach the gospel to everyone, as a minister of the new covenant.

    Let’s all have an attitude of humility toward one another along with a serving heart, following our Father and Mother’s examples. Like the tax collector in the parable, let’s humble ourselves and give thanks to God for His abundant grace given to us sinners. Brothers and sisters in Zion! Following the example of Christ, let us practice humility in our daily life, humbling ourselves before God and serving one another, so we will all enter the everlasting kingdom.

  174. One thing I am still not sure of brofromzion did Ahnsahnghong say that he believed that the second coming of Christ would be in 1988??

  175. This post is never true.

    Passover and Sabbathday is God’s Feasts.
    but you keep the sunday service, birthday of Sun god. don’t you?
    I don’t want to tell about God’s Truth to those who don’t keep God’s Feasts.

  176. This post is never true. Tell me true.

    Passover and Sabbathday is God’s Feasts.
    but you keep the sunday service, birthday of Sun god. don’t you?
    I don’t want to tell about God’s Truth to those who don’t keep God’s Feasts.

  177. Do you COG members ever think that you might be wrong about Ahnsahnghong? If you are you are doing exactly what Jesus warned you not to do! Talk about idols and pegan religion you guys might be in real trouble!

  178. Hi ramblinrose. God bless you. I see you said that Ahnsahnghong predicted the Second Coming of Christ in 1988? True. But the funny thing though is that even though He is the Second Coming Christ, He never claimed it. You know why? Let’s find out through the Bible.

    Actually, this is even more proof that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, for the reason that he never claimed to be the Christ. According to the concept of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one and the same God. Jehovah came in the flesh as Son Jesus, but he will return a Second time as the Holy Spirit, or the Second Coming Christ.

    Rev 1:8 {”I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”}

    I am the Alpha and the Omega, says God. Who is, Jesus the Son. Who was, Jehovah the Father…..Then who is to come…Who is the one to come?

    Jn 16:5-12{ ”Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.}

    Jn 14:26 {But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.}

    The one to come is the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not just some kind of energy, like some people think otherwise why did Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as “HIM” or “HE”, spirits do not have a gender, gender is only given to those who take the flesh. because not only does he have a gender but according to the Bible he also has a name:

    Mt 28:19 { Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,}

    The Bible says baptize them in THE NAME, not the title of the Father, Jehovah. in THE NAME of the Son, Jesus and in THE NAME of the Holy Spirit. then if the Father and the Son have a name, that means that the Holy Spirit should also have a name. The name of the Father is not Father, that is his title. in the same way the name of the Holy Spirit is not Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, then if the Holy Spirit has a name, that must mean that he Holy Spirit is coming in the flesh. the coming of the Holy Spirit in the flesh is actually the Coming of the Second Coming Christ.

    Then when you see the Jesus’ explanation of the coming of the Holy Spirit, you see that he says that the Holy Spirit will not speak on his own, he will take from what is Jesus and make it known to us, he will remind us of everything Jesus Christ said to us. but why does he need to remind us????….. The reason is because people forgot, about the Sabbath day:

    Luke 4:16 { He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read}

    about the Passover:

    Mt 26:17-28{On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ “So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover…While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.}

    about the Feasts of God that Jesus kept and taught. As Christians we should follow the example of Christ”

    Jn 13:15 {I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.}

    But the only one to remind us of all these truths has been Christ Ahnsahnghong. according to prophecy Christ Ahnsahnghong as the Holy Spirit, cannot speak on his own, he can only remind us of what Jesus Christ said. God knew many false Christs were going to appear proclaiming themselves to be Christ. for this reason he prophesied about the true Second Coming Christ, Jesus Christ testified about the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong. In the Same way that Jehovah the Father testified about the coming of Jesus.

    John 5:31 {”If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. There is one who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.”}

    Lastly, to get a good understanding of what happens when Christ reveals his identity to others.

    Mark 14:61-65 “…Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? “I am,” said Jesus…”You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.”

    -The moment he said he was Christ, he was charged w/ blasphemy and condemned to death. Same thing happens in Luke.

    Luke 22:67 {”If you are the Christ,” they said, “tell us.” Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me…”}

    Then by Christ Ahnsahnghong not proclaiming himself to be Christ he fulfilled another prophecy. According to his teachings he is God, the Second Coming Christ.

    Jn 7:24 {Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”}

    Jn 7:16-18 { Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.}

    Let us stop Judging God by mere appearances, let us see his teachings; in this way by studying the truth that Christ Ahnsahnghong taught you will see that it is impossible for these teachings to come from a man. Actions are stronger than words.

  179. Hi ramblinrose. You also said that we might be wrong with Ahnsahnghong. I’ll tell you what, He is the only One who fulfill all the prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ: The Savior of Each Age and the New Name, Clouds & Flesh, The Parable of the Fig Tree, About the East, Trinity, The Order of Melchizedek, The Tree of Life and many more. Also, Ahnsahnghong’s World Mission Society Church of God is the only church that keeps ALL God’s commandments, feasts, and customs on it’s appointed times: Passover of the New Covenant, The Feast of Unleavened Bread, The Feast of Firstfruits, The Feast of Weeks, The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, The Feast of Tabernacles, Sabbath Day, Baptism, Veil for women when she worship and prays to God. I’ve seen other churches only keeps a partial of God’s commandments, wills, feasts, and customs.

    So ramblinrose, if you can find me another man who claims he is the Second Coming Christ and his church keeps all of God’s commandments, feasts, wills, and customs, please let me know. God bless you.

    Revelation 2:17 [“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a
    white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.”]

  180. I laugh at your mindless legalism. I agree that your post is never true Sarang. You know nothing of the doctrine of redemption.

    So what if Sunday was named after the Sun God? You worship on Saturday, named after Saturn, the roman god! Hypocrite! Fix your ways before you tell me to fix mine. And, you assume that everyone speaks English. How naive and ignorant you are. In my country, many speak Malay as their first language. Sunday is NOT called Sunday, it’s Ahad. Heck, I’m pretty sure it’s not Sunday in Korean either.

    See how ignorant the teachings of Ang Sanh Hong’s church is everyone? They teach brainless, shallow legalism as the way to salvation.

  181. Ok Brofromzion, I will give it one last go regarding Mary.
    She is the Mother of God, as she bore Jesus. Simple really. God chose her and Joesph to raise his son. He had a lot of faith in them. The Catholic Church does not worship her. Sorry, they don’t. You are wrong. All your talk about statues of mothers holding babies, and trying to suggest this spilt over to Catholic practice is nothing more than conjecture. You have only supposition to work with. May is honoured, as she should be, as are other saints who have gone before us. They are examples of how we should live. Now, about idols. God doesn’t like man made idols because people worship them expecting the idol to preform mircles, which they can’t. God gets angry about that! Symbols of faith are not idols. Sorry, they arn’t. People like to revere things that remind themselves of important events. That’s why, important documents are sealed and put on display. Making and admiring Statues, paintings, and the like are normal human traits, and you do us a disserve suggesting they are idols being worshiped.
    No Catholic is on their knees begging Mary, or a cross to save their soul. They know where the power is – because priests have had two thousand years of considered study to teach their parisheners. You insult us with your petty criticism.
    Your following of feasts and such are interesting. Some are out of left field, and not supported by other students of the bible. Some pretty clever people have looked into these things more than a few times. You the only ones who got it right? Now about your mate, Ahnsahnhong.
    OK, so your mate is the second coming of christ. ??Or is the Holy Spirit? Or both? God help you you idot! Jesus doesn’t need another body to come back to earth in, he has his orginal one. And the Holy Spirit has been around a long time. Being Spirit form hardly suggests it would need a body, Ahnsahghongs, or anyone elses. The Holy Spirit is the part of God which carrys out his instructions.
    You want us to believe your warped view and interpretation of the bible, and you throw around the scary going to hell parts. The more you quote those parts of the bible about false teachers and false christs, the more I think of you and your religon. I noticed in life, the thief accuses others of being dishonest. This diverts attention away from his own behaviour!
    You throw around the threat of hell like it is yours to do so with. You reduce God to a simple book keeper, only concerned with feasts, wills and customs. You speak as if God will not be interested in those who pray to him, invite him into their lives, Trust in him. Remember and love his son for what he has done for them. Your arrogance is astounding.
    Good luck with judgment day. You are going to need it.

  182. Well brofromzion, you seem different from the usual CoG people who never answer anything. Yet you still have missed the point of the cross.

    You accuse Christians of worshipping and bowing down to the cross. I say we do neither. Have you even considered what Christians say about the cross? Just because the CoG told you Christians worship the cross doesn’t mean that it is the truth. The cross reminds us of Jesus’ sacrifice and the shedding of His blood, and it is a reminder that we have forgiveness of our sins. It is also a reminder that through Jesus’ death, we have healing and eternal life. It is also a reminder to live our lives as sacrifices to God, holy and set apart in that we crucify the desires of our flesh.

    We neither worship the cross itself, nor the punishment of the cross. You claim that it is a pagan symbol and that having it in church means we are worshipping an idol. Haven’t you even stepped into a church? Do people pray in the name of the cross? No, they pray in the name of Jesus. Do people sing worship songs to the cross? no, they sing to Jesus. Do people get baptized in the name of the Father, Cross and Holy Spirit? Obviously not. The shallow understanding that CoG teaches about the cross is really not something that holds up under close scrutiny.

    You claim that the cross was used historically by pagans at the earliest. You do not seem to be aware that perhaps 3000 years ago as the Israelites marched with the tent of the tabernacle across the desert in their journey to Canaan they marched in the form of a cross. Even before it was used as a punishment, it was already a symbol of victory and glory to God.

    Furthermore, you seem to think that once a pagan symbol, always a pagan symbol. Let me ask you, is a sinner always a sinner even if he accepts Ang Sanh Hong as his lord and savior? I’m sure you’d say something like he’s been redeemed and is no longer classified under “sinner”. Yet then, why can’t a symbol be redeemed as well? I tell you, the cross once was a symbol of torture and humiliating death, but through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ God redeemed the image of the cross into a symbol of Christ’s victory and triumph over death and the devil.

    In no way then are Christians worshipping the cross as an idol. We remember Jesus when we see the cross, and it is He whom we worship, so do not slander us with your accusations when you are worshipping a human in South Korea.

    Oh and by the way, if CoG is the only true way, then why is it so weak compared to Yoido Full Gospel Church? Is God not ready to save the world from Christianity? Is he only going to pick and choose who he wants in heaven?

    There is no POWER in CoG. Look at the lives and ministries of people like Kathryn Kuhlman, Benny Hinn, Reinhard Bonke, Smith Wigglesworth. All these are not CoG members. THey are Christians! The Holy Spirit moves/d in them mightily to raise the dead, heal the sick, cast out demons and restore the broken hearted. What do CoG members do that show the power of God?

    Anyway, I’m done talking with you because I’m pretty sure you are not going to be convinced or listen. All I want to do is to stop people from being drawn into the teachings of CoG.

  183. God bless you Jamie. So you worship God on Sunday? Didn’t God commanded us to keep the Sabbath day? Let’s look at the Bible if God really told us to keep the Sabbath day:

    Jer. 17:24-27 [“But if you are careful to obey me, declares the LORD…keep the Sabbath day holy by not doing any work on it,…this city will be inhabited forever…. But if you do not obey me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses.”]

    Exodus 20:11 [For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.]

    So God commanded us, through the Bible, to keep the Sabbath day holy by giving this day to Him to worship Him. Now let’s find out when is the Sabbath day through the Bible:

    Mark 16:9 [When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.]

    So we celebrate Jesus resurrection on Sunday. The Bible says that Jesus rose on the “first day of the week”. So that makes Saturday the seventh day of the week. Let’s even look at our own Dictionary online to see the meaning of Sunday and Saturday:

    Saturday – seventh day of the week, following Friday.

    Reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Saturday

    Sunday – first day of the week, observed as the Sabbath by most Christian sects.

    Reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sunday

    So why most Christians are keeping Sunday, the first day of the week, as the Sabbath day when God Himself made Saturday, the seventh day of the week, the rest day and made it holy for Him. Now did Jesus and His Apostles kept the Sabbath day?

    Matthew 12:8 [For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.]

    Luke 6:5 [Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”]

    Luke 4:16 [He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom….]

    Acts 17:2 [As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures…]

    Clearly, Jesus and His Apostles kept the Sabbath day as God’s custom. So how did it change from the seventh to the first day?

    After the apostles died, Christianity spread to western regions, including Rome. The gospel was preached to sun-god worshipers, and in the early 4th century, even the Roman emperor had heard the message of Christ. The emperor happened to be a leader of the sun-god worshipers, and when he converted to Christianity, many sun-god worshipers began to attend Church. As time passed, the faith of the Christians weakened, and they began to accept the customs of the sun-god worshipers. During this turn-over, they even began to rest and to worship on the first day of the week [Sunday]. In A.D. 321, Constantine, a Roman emperor, decreed an edict:

    “All judges, city-people and craftsmen shall rest on the venerable day of the Sun.”

    Some argue that the abolishment of the Sabbath compelled many people to convert to Christianity, but we must not forget that altering God’s commandments was Satan’s scheme. Satan, the devil, opposes God and has historically harassed God’s people, using various methods.

    So if most Christians are worshipping God on Sunday, are they following God’s tradition or rules taught by men:

    Mark 7:6-9 [He [Jesus] replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”]

    I hope it’s clear to you. Should we follow God or the tradition of men? I wanna follow God, of course. God bless you.

  184. to all CoG members

    mm.. thanks to Olivia telling me to visit CoG website…

    but why dont you answer my question here, I only need your brief explaination…

    thanks GodBless~

    nijuroku

  185. Hi Bruce. God bless you. You said that you don’t worship Mary. Then why do Catholics do the rosary? Did God told us to pray the rosary? Also, Catholics pray the “Hail Mary” So do you pray on someone you don’t worship? What about statues of Jesus on the cross and Mary and the saints. Is that following God’s commandment?

    The Catholic Church honors Mary as the Mother of Jesus, as “the Mother of God,” praying in front of statues of Mary. On the surface, such a practice appears to be a good way to teach filial piety, but within such worship is hidden the scheme of the devil, who takes advantage of the human mentality.

    Matt. 12:46-50 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』

    Why World Mission Society Church of God keeps ALL God’s commandments, customs, feasts, and wills?

    Mark 7:6-9 [He [Jesus] replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”]

    Matthew 7:21-29 [“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven…Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock…But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”]

    Is it clear to you? We should put ALL God’s commandments and wills into practice instead of saying “Lord, I love you and I am already saved because I believe in you and accept you and I don’t have to do anything else”. This is really wrong. That’s why we have the Bible. God gave it to us not to just put it in our shelves to get it dust up but to seek God through the Bible. God bless you.

  186. As the Church of God makes contributions to society in setting good examples so has received many award including orders of merit, presidential citations.
    How can the heresy get the award, orders of merit.
    The members of the Church of God always doing good according to the God’s will.

  187. Parable of Weeds and Wheats
    Father Ahnsahnghong
    World Mission Society Church of God

    There are so many churches existing in the world now, so many doctrines to “choose” from. However, we must be careful to come to find the correct church. God has been showing us in the Bible that just as there is truth and there is falsehood, the gospel in the Bible and a different gospel, God’s word and man-made stories, the true church and the false churches. Then we need to distinguish between which church is true and which is false. In the Bible, God helps us to distinguish the true church and the false church through the parable of the weeds and wheat.

    Matt. 13:34-30 “24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. 27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28″ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29″ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ “

    This parable is so important because if we understand it, we can also understand the kingdom of heaven. However, just reading this parable plainly, it’s difficult to understand. Even the disciples came to Jesus and asked him to explain the meaning because only Christ can explain its meaning.

    Matt. 13:37 “He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

    40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

    Jesus explained the meaning as follows:

    Sower of good seed = Son of Man (Jesus Christ)

    Field = the world

    Good seed (wheat) Sons of the Kingdom

    Bad seed (weeds) = Sons of the evil one (evildoers)

    Enemy = Satan

    Harvest = end of the age

    Reapers = angels

    The bad seed (weeds) were sown while everyone was sleeping. Then, in reality, what is sleep in the Bible?

    John 11:11 “After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.” 12 His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 13 Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep. 14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”

    Then, sleep in the Bible refers to death. Then what is it mean while everyone was dead? While Christ was here on earth, He sowed all of the good seeds of the gospel which lead us to the Kingdom of Heaven. However, Jesus physically died in AD 33. Thereafter, the disciples died one by one. After the last disciple died, the truth – all the good seeds that Jesus worked so hard to sow – began to disappear one by one.

    In the parable, the weeds will be weeded out of the kingdom of heaven and thrown to hell. They are the evildoers and the ones who cause sin. But let’s confirm once again who are the evildoers.

    Matt. 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”

    Then, to the very “believers” in Christ, He will plainly say, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”

    Why? What is an evildoer in God’s point of view? Comparing verse 23 to NKJV, it says:

    Matt. 7: 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

    Clearly, evildoers are those who practice lawlessness, not holding to the commands of God. Then God will weed out of the kingdom those who practice lawlessness. To such people, only the fires of hell are reserved. All of the churches that came up after Jesus’ death, if you notice, keep all the traditions and rules of men. It wasn’t until after Jesus’ physical death that such traditions like Christmas, Easter, Sunday worship and so on were celebrated by churches who have a foundation built on the seeds of weeds. Why now? Just as the parable stated, while everyone was sleeping, the evil one (satan) sowed the bad seeds of weeds (falsehood) in order to lead God’s people astray. However, the true church should be built on what foundation? The status of the church before Christ was sleeping.

    Eph. 2: 20 “…built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”

    Then we must look at the teachings of Christ and the foundation built on the Apostles to know what church Jesus sowed the good seeds of wheat in.

    Luke 4:16-17 “He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written.”

    It was Jesus’ custom while on the earth to worship in the Church on the Sabbath Day (Saturday). Why? So that He may receive a sign with God? Of course not! He set us an example of how to worship God, not changing the day but the way that it was kept. However, nowadays, churches of all kinds of denominations keep Sunday worship. Then, Sabbath is the seeds of wheat sowed by the Son of man while Sunday is the seed of weeds sowed by the evil one.

    Even the Apostles continued the Sabbath worship after Jesus physically died.

    Acts 17:2 “As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ,” he said.”

    Then for sure, Sabbath is the foundation of truth built by the Apostles and Christ Himself.

    This is why the Church of God World Mission Society keeps the Sabbath Day. We’re not just keeping the law. We’re following the example of Christ, being built on the Biblical foundation.

    With regards to the way eternal life is received, what did Jesus promise?

    Matt. 26:26 “While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, ‘Take and eat; this is my body.’ 27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.’”

    We understand this verse to be talking about the Passover. However, churches nowadays keep the bread and wine of the communion. But how can this be communion if communion didn’t exist yet? Clearly, Passover is the wheat sowed by Christ while still on this earth. Communion, established in AD 325, is the weed sowed by the devil while everyone was sleeping. So Church of God World Mission Society continues to keep the Passover year after year as God commanded. It is the way Jesus said to receive His body and blood to receive eternal life.

    Another seed of wheat sown during the laying of the foundation of the true church is the wearing of veils for women during worship.

    1 Cor. 11:1 “Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. 2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you. 3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.”

    It was already Christ’s example for men to not have their head covered, while women on the other hand must have her head covered during worship. However, churches nowadays do the complete opposite. Some men in other churches, even among the leaders in the church, cover their heads during worship. However, even this teaching proves to be the seed of weeds sown as Jesus set the example of women covering their head. So really, the fact that Church of God World Mission Society wears the veil for sisters, but not for brothers, is not strange. It is Christ’s example of the order of worship. Actually, it’s strange if churches don’t follow this way if they are called Christians.

    Through the yearly feasts of God we can also distinguish which church is following the example of Christ, having the seeds of wheat sown by the Son of Man.

    Acts 2:1 “When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.”

    Again, following the example of Christ, the Disciples gathered together to keep the Feast of the Day of Pentecost. While most churches do not regard this day as so important, it the day specified in the Bible to receive God’s Holy Spirit. Therefore, the church keeping the Day of Pentecost, correctly, is the church built on the foundation of Christ and the Apostles; as well as the church in which the Son of Man sowed the seeds of wheat. Church of God World Mission Society, by no coincidence, keeps the Day of Pentecost at its appointed time in the Bible.

    Have you ever heard if the Feast of Tabernacles? Actually, Jesus Christ kept this feast, too!

    John 7:2 “But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, 3 Jesus’ brothers said to him, ‘You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do’… 14 Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach… 37 On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, ‘If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.’”

    Jesus Himself kept the Feast of tabernacles. If it were because He was Jewish, then He would have slaughtered a lamb, as Moses’ law prescribes. However, during the Feasts, Jesus only taught the Word of God, further setting the example of how to worship God during the feast. Following the example of Christ, Church of God World Mission Society also keeps the Feast of Tabernacles. How about the other churches?

    It is important for our salvation that we find the correct church built on the foundation of Christ and the Apostles, keeping the teachings of Christ before He was sleeping. Before Christ left the earth, while He was still physically alive, He sowed the seed of wheat of the Gospel through the teachings of Sabbath, Passover, women wearing the veil, men not, and keeping the Feasts of God. However, in accordance to the parable, while everyone was sleeping the evil one came and sowed the bad seed which sprang into weeds, not wheat. Likewise, about 300 years after Christ sowed the good seed of truth, and some years after the Apostle died, satan sneakily planted the bad seed of falsehood and lawlessness. However, in this state of lawlessness, where can we go to find truth? Yes, Church of God World Mission Society, but how is it that this church can know the difference between true and false? How does the Church of God produce the good harvest of wheat?

    John 14:26 “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”

    Jesus already knew that satan would come and distort the truth He established at Hi 1st coming. That’s why the Holy Spirit will “remind” us of what Jesus said. (Really Jesus will come back as the holy Spirit and remind His people about what He said the 1st time.)

    However, it is the Church of God World Mission Society that is the only church that keeps all of the teachings and words of Christ before his slept. This is why we believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong. Jesus has returned as Christ Ahnsahnghong and reminded us of what He has said in His 1st coming in AD 33. Christ Ahnsahnghong re-established all the truth of the Bible and reseeded all of the wheat that was damaged from the devil. However, Christ Ahnsahnghong has not brought judgment on the false churches, the lawless, just yet. Why not? In accordance with His word of 2000 years ago:

    Matt 13: 27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28″ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29″ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.”

    The life force of the weeds is stronger than that of the wheat. They must prevail until the harvest. Though they appear to be sturdy, inside there is no crop. Likewise, all lawless churches flourish now, looking so luxurious outwardly. However, inside, there is no truth and nothing to lead us to salvation. God is waiting until the last Judgment Day to gather the weed-like churches to be burned in the fiery furnace of Hell. On the other hand, the wheat though looks so humble, inside there is a crop that God is looking for. This is proved to be the Church of God World Mission Society. Church of God World Mission Society may not be the most popular church, nor is it so fancy looking, but inside here is the true teachings of Christ. Church of God World Mission Society has been built on the foundation of the Apostles and the Christ who is prophesied to remind the Children of God of all the truth of God through which we can be saved. And on the last Judgment Day, Christ Ahnsahnghong will bring us to the Heavenly Barn, and take us to the Kingdom of Heaven. God bless you all.

  188. Do you think we can go to heaven by just believe in God not following commads of God??
    If you follow commands of God please tell me your Thuth!!
    If sunday service is written in the Bible please show me!!
    If we have to worship to Cross where is the evidence??

  189. It’s not true. Church of God follow the teaching of Bible.
    And it receive many rewards because of so many public services.
    But other churchs don’t keep the Truth of Bible.
    They can’t know the will of God.

  190. Jamie and others.

    You have to distinguish what age we are living now?
    The age of Holy Father?
    The age of Holy Spirit?
    We are living in the age of Holy Spirit.
    You don’t know about Trinity.

    Church of God has received the prize from Korea Republic Government.
    Government of One Country never give prize to Pagan or cult.
    You know.

    Many People want to seek for truth and visit now.
    You convince to be saved at the last day by God?
    Do you keep God’s commandments?

    Sunday service is not based on the Bible.
    Christmas is also not based on the Bible.
    Woman have to wear a veil during the service time.
    Cross is idol.
    You are doing idolatry evidently.

    Look and Open your eyes.
    Open the Bible.

    And If you don’t and can’t believe Church of God and hate us.
    It’s up to you.
    Why you abuse us?
    You are jealous of our Church of God?

    Don’t abuse and judge everything with your own thought and prejudice.

  191. http://usa.watv.org

    http://english.watv.org

    Please drop by.

  192. Nowadays, many people say with their lips, “we believe in god and follow the teachings of the bible.”
    Apparently they seem to be established to serve God; they put up crossed and keep the Sunday service and Christmas, thanks giving day, instead of the command of God that was written in the Bible.
    actually they follow falsehood, turning their faces from the righteous teaching of the bible.
    We require to see whether or not they follow God’s will-whether they base their teachings and deeds on the Bible or not. Do you think you can be saved if you do not keep God’s command?
    The Bible warns us not to add or subtract even the smallest letter from the Bible. (Rev22:18)
    only he who does the will of God can be saved.(Mt 7:21)
    According to all these teaching of the Bible, Church of God World Mission Society follow the will of God, so that we may received salvation from God.

  193. Then let me ask you a question: Did the thief who hung on the cross go to heaven? He did not keep the passover, go to church on sabbath day or command his women to wear veils.

    So was Jesus lying then when He was on the cross?

    Fools and blind, all of you.

  194. returnedangel knows nothing of the Trinity save what the CoG teaches him/her. That’s why I call him/her blind.

    Honestly, you are like a broken answering machine. You always spout the same arguments. “Open your bible”, “you never study the bible”, “why you persecute the church”.

    My answer to you is “shut up”. Why don’t YOU open the bible for yourself, study it for yourself and understand the word of God WITHOUT the lens of CoG’s teachings and allow the REAL Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth?

    Do you have a degree in theology? How many hours a day do yuo spend readingthe bible? How many books have you written on the teachings in the bible?

    You have no right and authority to act as if we did not already read the bible and claim we do not study it. Put a sock in it.

    I will now delete comments that contain the same content. I have had enough of your tired nonsense. You teach legalistic, dead teachings that draw men into hellfire and I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT.

  195. ^^*

    Why Church of God WMC is spreading to the wholeworld now?

    Because This Church was built by God not man. Many People want to meet true truth not man’s

    thinking and made truth by man.

    http://english.watv.org/

  196. Hi Jamie. God bless you. You know there’s still time and all you have to do is hear what the Spirit says to the churches. That’s is Christ Ahnsahnghong, the One who fulfill all prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ. You know I really believe in Jesus as my personal savior but you have to understand that putting Jesus examples in practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock just as Jesus said and now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit, so we must seek the Holy Spirit. Ahnsahnghong reminded us of all the hidden truths and teachings of Jesus Christ that was abolished as prophecied. Sunday worship, Communion, Christmas, Thanks Giving are all man-made traditions. God bless you Jamie.

  197. Like mentioned earlier no questions will be be answered. Fools are unable to provide the history of these fake Gods. They talk of idols and they worship false Gods. They do not follow the 10 Commandments. They eat the bullshit that is spread out to them and keep posting in the same old mama’s recipe’s of KIMCHI which gets boring
    The prophecies what this man fulfilled is to have 2 & 3 wives, tamper with the Bible and what was his end result? God dies of Haemorrage. I wonder if all that happened when Jesus died & how he ascended. I was there in the 80’s Instead of making a visit to Lourdes or Holy land I would be too happy to meet Jesus in Korea LOL.
    Wake up dudes. These long posts will have no effect out here

  198. My sister believed God for a long time. Then she changed her church. Now, my sister go to the Church of God. She said to me the Church of God is the only church which keeping the teaching of the bible, the Sunday service and the Christmas are not the teaching of the Bible. When I heard that in the first, I really surprised and excited. But I worried my sister, because it different from other churches.

    Then, my sister was changed after she go to the Church of God. Now, she really looks like happy, she always smile. And she is very attentive to family. In weekend she cooks for family. wow!!! She really lovely.

    Now, I come to know the reason.
    Other church don’t keeping the teaching of God. The Sunday service and the Christmas is not the teaching of God. It’s only the teaching of Man. Then, how could they be saved and how could they have real happy?

    I love my sister. I will go to the Church of God together. Because I also want to be happy.

  199. Jamie

    Thief was saved by God because of Jesus’ promise.
    You don’t know anything about salvation.
    Never.

    Just Passover or Sabbath can save us?
    No.
    We keep this because God commanded and promised us.
    Through God’s word and promise, We can be saved.
    Thief received promise from Jesus, God.
    So he is now in heaven.

    Calm down.
    You insist you spend much time to study and teach the Bible.
    Even You did and do that.
    Your effort will be resulted in waste of your time.
    Because You don’t know the truth and have promise of eternal life.

    Matt 7:21
    Though you call God everyday, God will look on you indifference.
    Because You never keep God’s commandment and words.

  200. Even Thief didn’t keep Sabbath or Passover ,He was saved because of God’s promise.

    Did you receive the promise like him?
    Never.

    Yod didn’t.

  201. I’m touched with pity for you.

    Even you blame our Church of God, We will be prousperous more and more.
    Because We follow God and keep God’s all example.

    Do you believe in Jesus?
    And then you also have to keep his words.

  202. Don’t use insulting language and curses.

    You seems to be in excited and enraged too much.
    Calm down.

  203. To Returnedangl and Brofromzion.
    Well you lot are fun to talk to. You harp on about the sabbath – yet Jesus refused to let it interfare with his work. “My Father works on the Sabbath, and so do I” you can look up the reference.
    About the rosary. Do you know what it is? Why it is signifcant? No I didn’t think so. As I have mentioned before, what you say during prayer is the crutch of what is going on. Prayer does not equal worship. What you say, ask or plea is important. I guess this is a bit tricky for you but stay with me and you can see the difference. Take your time – The Words You Say Count! Oh and the bit about “Who is my mother, who is my brother” Lets look at the cross when Jesus is dying. He looks down at Mary and John and says “Behold, your Son, Behold your Mother”. Was she important to Jesus? Guess.
    OK lets look at christmas. This is a non event as far as I can see. God speaks neither for, nor against it in the Old Testament. Jesus speaks neither for nor against it either. You know why? It hadn’t been invented. if people want to celebrate their Saviour’s birth then so what. Going to hell for that are we? Why?
    OK communion. Jesus sits with his deciples and breaks the bread. “This is my body”. Pass around the wine. “This is the blood of my covenant.” He washes their feet. He gives them a new comandment. This does not sound like he is just reafirming an old jewish tradition of the passover/unleaven bread. I know what the passover festival was about – and if Jesus was just celebrating that, then why the things I have mentioned. You guys need to look deeper.

    The bottom line is, If Ahnsahnhong is Christ re-incarnated – then you guys are right and you are home and hosed. You win. We lose. You guys get to go to heaven and we don’t. All the stuff about what to say, think and follow will be your victory.
    Now, if Christ hasn’t come back with a new human body and person – then sorry, Matthew 7,21 is referring to you and the Church of God.

    I am not risking my shot at paradise on the belief that Jesus found it nescessary to come back as Ahnsaghong.

    I have left out bible references that I have quoted from. It might do you good to read the parts of the bible that your teachers havn’t underlined.

  204. Hi everyone. God bless you all. In these last days, we must seek the spiritual Zion, where all God’s feasts and laws are being kept for our salvation. Christ Ahnsahnghong, came from Jerusalem Mother, is the One who established it, according to the Bible.

    Ezekiel 37:24″ ‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees.

    According to this prophecy, David will be king in the future. But at the time that Ezekiel wrote this, King David had already been dead for 400 years. Then which King David is he talking about? It must be Prophetical King David.

    Luke 1:31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.

    Luke 1:32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,

    Then who was given David’s throne? According to this verse, it was Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ had to fulfill the throne of King David which is why he was baptized at age 30, the same age that David was when he became king. But once He became prophetical King David, what must He do?

    2 Samuel 5:7Nevertheless, David captured the fortress of Zion, the City of David.

    2 Samuel 5:9David then took up residence in the fortress and called it the City of David. He built up the area around it, from the supporting terraces inward.

    Then prophetical King David must build up spiritual Zion. Which Zion must He build up, Physical Zion in the Palestine area or Spiritual Zion? It should be spiritual Zion, then what makes up spiritual Zion?

    Isaiah 33:20Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem, a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.

    Isaiah 33:24No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”; and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven.

    Zion is where the Feasts of God are celebrated and we can receive the forgiveness of sins. What are the Feasts of God?

    Leviticus 23:2″Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

    The Sabbath, The Passover and Unleavened Bread , Firstfruits, Feast of Weeks , Feast of Trumpets ,Day of Atonement , Feast of Tabernacles

    2000 years ago all these feasts were established by Jesus Christ. However, in 321 AD Roman emperor Constantine abolished the Sabbath and in 325 a.d. the Passover was abolished also.(Dan7:25)

    Then once these Feasts were abolished what happened to Zion? Zion was destroyed but what will God do?

    Micah 4:1 In the last days….The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

    Who will rebuild Zion in the last days then?

    Psalm 102:16For the LORD will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory.

    King David ruled for 40 years. However, Jesus only preached for 3 years. So that means that must come back again to fulfill these prophecy. Christ Ahnsahnghong was baptized and preached and established the truths of Zion at the age of 30 in 1948 that was abolished by the Constantine, Roman Emperor in 325 AD and died when He was 37 years old in 1985.

    King David = 40 years

    Jesus = 3

    Ahnsahnghong = 37

    According to the Scriptures only God can rebuild Zion. But nowadays, Church of God World Mission Society is the only Church who celebrated the Feasts of God. Christ AhnsahngHong brought these Feasts back and reestablished Zion which was in ruins. He is the Lord Almighty. God bless you all.

  205. Church of God is true one keeping Command of God and it was built up by God.
    The bad word about Church of God is a lie.

    Have you read the verses in the Bible??

    1 John 2 : 3~

    We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him : Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

    God said those who do not keep the commands of God are liars.
    Nowadays many Christians are keeping Sunday service, Christmas and worshipping cross.
    They are keeping not the command of God but men’s teaching.
    How do they recognize God and truth and salvation.
    Their word is just liar.
    That is not true.
    we have to listen to God carefully.

  206. Do you know that our church?
    Your contente of a story is not true.

    I think that maybe you keep the Feasts of man.(Mt.15:8)
    ->(Sunday survice, christmas..)
    your actions is not God’s will
    (Mt.7:21)

    This post is beneath criticism.

  207. Hi Bruce. God bless you. Well, looks like you don’t understand the Bible clearly. You know why? Because your interpretation is only your own opinion. Only God knows His own thoughts and unfortunately you don’t even believe and seek Him carefully.

    Matthew 15:1-9 [Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ he is not to ‘honor his father with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”]

    Jesus do and say things that Pharisees don’t understand. I’m sorry to say but your starting to sound just like them. God bless you.

  208. In the love of God, there is no racial discrimination or distinction between the rich and the poor. At the 2002 World cup, the members of the Church of God displayed voluntary activities, and at the 2002 Busan Asian Games and the FESPIC Games and at the 2003 Daegu Summer Universiade, they formed supporters groups and shared friendship with the athletes from over 170 countries. They spread the love of God and the warmheartedness of the Koreans to the whole world.

  209. Honestly, arguments for CoG just stink of FAIL.

    You raise examples where CoG has done voluntary work to help others. Okay, well and good. However, the amount they do is still lacking when compared to the amount that is done by the entirety of Christendom. I laugh at you, CoG.

    You call people Pharisee. I almost fell down with laughter! A legalistic hypocrite calling someone else a legalistic hypoecrite! Again, I laugh at you CoG.

    You raise up silly points about CoG expanding worldwide, as if it is proof that God’s favor is upon in. Well, what’s the fasting growing religion in the world? Not CoG. It’s still Christianity if you count pure conversions and not growth by birth. I laugh at your ignorance, CoG.

    How many members does CoG have in South Korea where they started? I don’t know, but I don’t think it crosses 500 million. How many Christians are there in the world? Over 1 billion. I laugh at your silliness, CoG.

    How large is CoG altogether? Does it even reach 1 million? Compare the works of the largest church in South korea: Yoido Full Gospel Church. 750, 000 members and tons and tons of charity and humanitarian work. Comparing the two, which seems to be more favored by God? I’m still laughing at you, CoG.

    How many years has CoG had to grow their numbers? Close to 40 now? How many years did it take for the church that was blessed by God to grow in the early days? Very few years. They grew at an explosive rate all around the world. So,what happened to God’s power to spread His teachings? Did He get tired and old and can’t work as fast anymore? What a weak god CoG has! I am still laughing at CoG.

    You claim that we never study the bible and that it is our opinion. How many CoG members have doctorates in theology? In contrast, how many Christians study the bible everyday in depth for a living? I still laugh at you, CoG.

    How much power does CoG have to heal the sick, raise the dead, heal the lame and heal the blind? Can CoG move in the power of the Holy Spirit to make demons manifest and flee? Compare that to what men and women of God have done, both in and outside of the charismatic circles. Where’s the power of God moving most actively? In Christianity. Cog? Powerless. I’m laughing still, CoG.

    You people are ridiculous. Simply full of nonsense, you can’t help but expose your own ignorance and blindness. When people counter your shallow arguments with solid ones, you accuse them of not studying the bible and not believing in God.

    Enough is enough. As far as everything is concerned, Christianity does not need a fake Christ named Ang Sahn Hong. Nothing said here will ever convince you CoG members because you are lost in your blindness and deception and you simply do not want to critically examine your beliefs. Away with you, liars and deceivers! I shall no longer entertain your comments on this page.

    Christianity = 10,000,000,000,000,000 +++
    CoG = 0

    Christianity pwns CoG anytime!

  210. phew… I dont seem like to read the post… all of you’re insulting each other… the aura of this forum is so uncomfortable… seems like MASSAAL ATTACK…. Why should all of you jeer each others and make proud of your church? and btw my questions have never been answered until now… thank you for that…

    Now I’m believing in God, and I think I do the right things, which are written in 10 commandment… is that enough? Honestly I dont like the way that CoG members treat others.. why should insult?

    I believe in Jesus and I dont know about Ahn Sang Hong… and I want to ask one thing…
    why Ahn Sang Hong predicted that second coming Jesus will come in 1988?

    Thank you before…

    nijuroku

  211. almost 2 months I studied bible in CoG Singapore… and I KNOW ALL about your argument above… about PassOver, Mother, … , worldcup 2002, etc… then there are alot of questions that are hanging.. I want to ask you all CoG members here… but no repond from you all? why? my question is so difficult meh?

    this post is only to remind you to answer my question…

    Thank you again

    nijuroku

  212. All I see are “Interpretations” Bible passages here…

    Brofromizon and anyone else. You gave me your answer on how WMS figured Ahnsahnhong was the 2nd coming…however…

    Can you explain to me how the World Mission Society explains Ahnsahnhong’s prophecies of 1967 and 1988?

    My other Question is Did Ahnshanhong actually tell his followers that his spiritual wife was Mother Jerusalem or did she and other’s proclaim that after his death in 1985?

  213. T o Brofromzion. Well arn’t you the bees knees. Yo didn’t address my points did you. You just suggested I can’t understand the bible, only you can. Personal opinion? I sound like the Pharisees? Give me a break.
    And the bible passage you quote. What does that mean? You haven’t addressed the points. You just turn to your small narrow list of beliefs and call everyone else mistaken. You have to understand I don’t comment for your sake. You are lost to logic and understanding. You hang your hat on a small narrow list of beliefs that someone told you would save your soul And of course, you want your soul saved. Who doesn’t. But Jesus decides who gets to heaven, not a list of instructions you have drawn up from reading the bible. There are meanings lost on you. The new testament means a new arrangement. A new agreement. a new deal. You continue to quote the old testament bringing up old arrangements that Jesus superseeded. He can because it is his right to do so. He reaffirmed what he wanted followed and dismissed those he didn’t. He died on the cross to bring God of the jews to God of the world. I never hear COG people speak of these other matters. Only their little list that they follow.
    For those reading this who are wondering who is right. Read the bible yourself, without using it like a law book, quoting this part and this part to show this or that. It can speak to your heart and guide you. That is it’s role.

  214. hello all??

    Can you SEE and READ my posting?? I’m always not getting responses… Are my question meaningless?
    I want to let you know my posting are on April 15, 2008 at 10:09 am and on April 16, 2008 at 9:57 pm… please scroll your mouse up to find it and answer it… -_-”

    Thank you… GodBless~

    nijuroku

  215. I have a hard time seeing the Bible, or any holy book, as “Reliable”, in general. To illustrate the point, I would like to point out some similarities between the Bible and the ancient Egyptian beliefs (being the oldest civilization we have found so far…Sumerian’s, Indians and Chinese civ’s debatable – all roughly 3,000 BC – maybe more?)

    1. Horus, the Son of God, Immaculately conceived by the Virgin Mother Isis on Dec. 25th. Heralded by the eastern star and adored by 3 kings. As a child he was a prodigal teacher and at the age of 30 was baptized by Anup and thus began his ministry. Later Horus was crucified, killed and buried and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into the heavens. (sound familiar?) There are a lot more similarities between Horus and Jesus and Isis and Mary that I will not bore you with here. In fact there are dozens, if not 100’s of ancient religions that share these same fundamental traits!

    2. Mises – as a child was placed in a reed basket and set down a river to avoid infanticide, rescued and raised as royalty. Later was a prophet and spoken-to on top of a mountain, by god and came down to deliver the 10 laws of man, written on stone tablets, which today is known as spell 125 in the Egyptian book of the dead (sounds familiar also)

    3. Egyptian(name forgotten by me right now), God spoke to this man and warned him of a global flood, caused by mans sins, ordered him to build an arc/boat with one door, one window, load it with animals, etc. He Released a dove later on which was the holy spirit..(sound familiar?)

    The list of similarities goes on and on for anyone who wishes to study ancient history, religion, and mythology – we don’t learn these things in Sunday/Saturday school though…

    My Question: How do Christians, in general, let alone WMS members explain these things?

    It is hard for me to know these things and not feel that the Bible is direct plagiarism of religions and myths that existed before. However, it doesn’t answer my questions of the messages and lessons to be found in all these religions.

    It seems to me that if one studies the history of religion, and not Just the passages of the Bible – you will find that most religions are so more Fundamentally Similar than different.

    Isn’t it possible that over time, Extra has been added on? Politically minded men and Religion are a dangerous combination.

    Most of us in this world are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other Religion, not by choice – but because we were Taught to Be. Here in America, our whole social framework is Religious, whether we have ever stepped inside a church or not. We see religious leaders as authority figures above all else – We’re conditioned to.

    I tend to feel that if we could spend more time Studying the Similarities of World Religions – Rather than the Differences… We might start to make Real Spiritual Progress.

    Furthermore, nothing short of a “Supernatural” event can Truly Prove anything.

    That’s why the word “Faith” was invented – right?

  216. God bless you Jason. I, myself, I member of World Mission Society Church of God believes and follows only God through the Bible as absolute for salvation. To your above comment, I just wanna ask, if you have enough information. Is the Egyptian book of the dead have real similar to Old and New Testament of the Bible? I’d like to know. But as of now, I will only following Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ as prophecied in the Bible.

    Isaiah 34:16 [Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together.]

    Clearly, Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, will gather God’s people for salvation.

    Revelation 3:12 [“Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.”]

    Revelation 2:17 [“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a
    white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.”]

    Revelation 22:13 [I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.]

    God the Father Jehovah, God the Son Jesus, God the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong, Trinity in One as God. God bless you Jason.

  217. Jason, are you sure? Ra was the Sun god. Horus the Sky god, born of Osiris and Isis, both gods. December 25th is a christian date given to celebrate Jesus’s birth. It wasn’t even a guess at when he was really born. No one knows when he was born. The bible just doesn’t say. You say dozens if not 100s of similar facts. You sure? sounds like something easy to say.
    I think you have been sold something like snake oil.
    As for the flood. If you follow the bible, everyone died in the flood except for Noah and his family. Since they were the only ones to have survived, the world must have been repopulated by them, and so their story would have been passed down for generations. When the tower of babel was being built, some time after the flood, and no time line is given, by the ancestors of Noah, God confused the population by givening them different languages. Everyone went off with their language. Prehaps one of those languages was egyptian, and your story you mention refers to the actual same flood of Noah. See, there are other explanations.
    People make their own way in this world. You get to 12-13 yrs old and you start sorting out what you believe, or accept. That is the right of adulthood to accept or reject religious teaching. I don’t accept people are just born to a label and stay there. You make a concious choice at some level, to stay or go.
    I agree with your comment about politically motivated people and religon can be a dangerous combination. As for the other stuff, I wouldn’t be so quick to swallow it.
    People, scientists, historians, will fill in the gaps to make their research look good.
    If we study the religons you mentioned, we find Jews are basically Old Testament Followers, Christians New Testament Followers. Budah and Hindu do not believe in God. Islam follow a prophet that denies Christ as the Son of God. So, no the various religions are not similar at all. The major ones are fundamentaly incompatible. This doesn’t mean we have to spend our days fighting and killing each other. We can follow our own callings to whatever ends they bring us. But I wouldn’t agree with dressing up some old egyptian and greek gods stories to look like the Christians just borrowed old legends to claim as their own.

  218. God bless you Bruce. So do you really wanna hear the word of God or you already made up your mind because I am a member of World Mission Society Church of God and I am just making up what the Bible says?

    Matthew 5:17-20 [Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.]

    Is it clear to you? Jesus didn’t abolished the Law, but He fulfill them. Did Jesus abolished the Passover?

    Matthew 26:18-19 [He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ “So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.]

    Matthew 26:26-28 [While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.]

    What about Sabbath Day?

    Luke 4:16 [He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was HIS CUSTOM. And he stood up to read.]

    Clearly. Jesus kept God’s law to set us the example. So tell me Bruce, should we keep God’s law or don’t follow it? Do you even know where God’s law will go out on the last days? It is prophecied in the Bible.

    Micah 4:1-2 [In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it. Many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.]

    Christ Ahnsahnghong, who came from Zion where all God’s feast, laws, customs, and wills are kept reminded us of all Jesus taught us just a prophecied in the Bible. I hope that your spiritual ears hears what the Spirit(Ahnsahnghong) says to the churches and we can become brothers of Jesus. God bless you.

  219. Brofromzion you missed my point. No, I didn’t say he abolished the sabbath. He told us to use our common sense about it. No he didn’t abolish the passover ( Catholics celebrate it as well, but you might not know that) but clearly he was bringing something new to the table. Do you not see that? Try re reading it.
    As for you Ahnsaghong – where are the bible teachings of him? His name mentioned? Prophet?
    As long as you preach a new Christ – Ahnsahnghong, then we can’t be brothers. And you still haven’t explained where God outlawed Christmas -birthdays in general – or Easter.

    And to the person out there reading this – a message for you. Just leave. You owe them nothing. Your family will support you. Change your name and hide from them. you will get your chance soon, in a crowd. Just walk away.
    And to you Brofromzion – goodbye. Chatting was fun, but you are deluded. next time I am in church I will light a candle for you.

  220. When the second coming happens I hope that he or she atleast knows that they are the second coming of Christ and people don’t just say that after they die. If not I have a feeling we are in for a whole lot more Ahnsahnghong’s

  221. Hi everyone. God bless you all. I see lots of people are asking about Ahnsahnghong’s prediction that He’s coming back in 1988 and He did not. Through the Bible, we can find out why.

    John 5:17-18 [Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.]

    In this verse, Jesus healed the invalid man that was lying for 38 years and Jews tried to kill Him because they said He was breaking the Sabbath and making Himself equal to God. So many of you wondering, did Jesus abolished it now because of this? I don’t think so.

    Matthew 12:8 [For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.]

    Luke 6:5 [Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”]

    Luke 4:16 [He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was HIS CUSTOM. And he stood up to read.]

    Matthew 5:17-20 [Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.]

    Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Who are we to question what Christ does and say? Who can Judge God? Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong is Testified in the Bible.

    2,000 years ago, Jesus Christ came for the forgiveness of sins but many people rejected him, failing to know God through the Bible instead of their using their own fixed concepts. We cannot expect anything from God but instead we should try to understand God’s will through the Bible. Through the Bible we can see more confirmation concerning our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong.

    Luke 12:49 [ “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!”]

    At this time Jesus Christ was already baptized by John the Baptist, how can he be baptized twice? This is testimony that Jesus gave about his second coming, let’s confirm.

    Luke 18:8 [ “I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”]

    Jesus Christ says “when the Son of Man comes” but how can he say this while he was already on the earth talking to the disciples? Jesus was clearly talking about the future when he comes a second time.

    Romans 10:14 [ “How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? and how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?”]

    Romans 10:17 [ “Consequently faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.”]

    Even though we have never heard the name Christ Ahnsahnghong, the only way to believe in him is through the Bible. The Bible offers ample testimony on how to recognize Christ. Now we have no problems accepting the name Jesus but let’s see about the people who lived during the time of Jesus.

    John 5:39 [ “You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.”]

    Many people rejected Jesus, even those who studied the Bible refused to accept Jesus Christ. Jesus even testified that he will be rejected when he returns

    John 14:16 [ “And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever– the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him.]

    Hebrews 9:28 [“so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”]

    Second Coming Christ will come to bring salvation but he will be rejected in the same way Jesus was rejected. Christ Ahnsahnghong brought us salvation through the Passover and all of the Feasts of God. However, many people will reject Christ Ahnsahnghong even though they study the Bible because they fail to understand God’s will instead of their own fixed concepts. I hope that through this post, our brother’s and sister’s will think twice before judging anything before taking the time to learn God’s will through the Bible. The mistake that the Pharisees is they did not look in the Scripture about the prophecy of the First Coming of Christ. So please let’s keep the Bible as absolute and searching it careful so we don’t make the same mistake like the Pharisees 2000 years ago. May all thanks be to Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother. God bless you all.

  222. Another FAIL post. Again, he gives no answer. He only says things like “Who are we to question God?”

    Obviously your god FAILED big time. You even admitted that Ang Sahn Hong was wrong about the prophecy. SO totally unlike the real Jesus.

    CoG = FAIL

  223. Prophecy is the reason why we believe in the Bible, Jamie. Today people only believe something when they see it. but how about telling something before it happens, that is what the Bible does.

    Jn 14:29[I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.]

    Second coming Christ is prophesied to come to this earth, and many prophecies about this event have been left in the scriptures. Now before we could discuss about how Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled these prophesies some bases have to be laid out.

    2 Pt 1:20 [Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation]

    No prophecy of the Bible needs to be interpreted by anyone, As Christians we are told not to give our opinion on any prophetic symbol in the word of God, we should let the word of God define itself; our private interpretations are useless.

    Is 34:16 {Look in the scroll of the Lord and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate…]

    Example, there are 278 verses in the book of Revelation that contain prophetical symbols, and all 278 verses can be found word for word in all the other books of the Bible.

    Rev 22:1-2 [The the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations]

    Now compare this verse to:

    Eze 47:12 [Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear , because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing”]

    Same meaning, and just like this each verse of the Bible has a matching verse that will allow you to understand the prophetical meaning of itself. The Bible defines itself perfectly. In this way we could identify who is really saying the truth. See what a person proclaims, then match it up with the Bible to see if what they claim goes with what the Bible says, if it doesn’t, you could reveal the lie.

    In his book “Science Speaks”, scientist Peter Stoner says: “:If there was only 8 prophecies in the whole Christian Bible, the chances of one man fulfilling all those prophesies is 1 in 10(17th). “That would be one in 100,000,000,000,000,000.”
    Later on Mr. Stoner gives an illustration of how big this chance is:

    Picture the whole state of Texas(263,000 square miles), covered two feet deep with dimes, now paint one of the coins red and throw it in the pile. now blindfold a man, and set him in any place of Texas, tell him that he could travel wherever he wants for however time he needs, and that his only task is to pick up only one coin, and it must be the red one that he picks up, and that he needs to be 100% accurate only on the first try. It would be easier for that man to do that, than for 8 prophecies of the Bible to be fulfilled in one man. that is how true and awesome Bible prophecy is.

    Well just to name a few prophecies that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled we could find: King David, Melchizedek, Last Adam, Who established Zion, Fig tree Lesson, About the East, Tree of Life, Root of David. and many more.

    John 5:39 [ “You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.”]

    God bless you Jamie.

  224. Prophecy is also why Ang Sahn Hong is a fake. He FAILED. Jesus NEVER FAILED.

    CoG = FAIL

    Besides, my grandparents also fulfilled the prophecy of Melchizedek by your twisted interpretation. Does that make my father the second coming Christ as well?

    LOL@CoG. So much FAIL in this cult, it’s hilarious!

  225. God bless you Jamie. Seems to me that your not reading your Bible carefully. All these prophecies that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled in the Bible for the Second Coming of Christ and yet you still chastize Him because of that. Well I hope that someday, you’ll be able to receive the Seal of God just before the four winds on the four corners of the earth be release according to the prophecy in the Bible so that you may escape the disaster. All I could say is I respect your faith. Remember, I am just preaching the word of God according to the Bible and THE BIBLE ONLY and we must all love one another according to Jesus Christ.

    Matthew 28:19 [Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.]

    1 Corinthians 9:16-18 [Yet when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.]

    John 13:34-35 [“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”]

    God bless you Jamie.

  226. Your response is another big fat FAIL.

    ROFL.

    You just don’t get it do you? Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL the prophechies, AND whatever He said would come to pass, came to pass. The Bible says the Word of God shall never fall away before it is fulfilled.

    So what did Ang Sahn Hong do? Being the so-called 2nd Jesus, he gave a prophecy, which, IF he were really Jesus, would have come to pass with 100% certainty. BUT! HE FAILED! WAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Therefore, Ang Sahn Hong may apparently fulfill your twisted interpretation of the scriptures, but he can’t be Jesus if he spoke a false prophecy. Jesus would NEVER speak anything unless He heard it from the Father, and NOTHING the Father said would EVER FAIL to come to pass.

    So you see, everyone, how the CoG members admit to following a false Jesus? How can Jesus be Jesus if whatever He says doesn’t come to pass?

    Also, your eschatology is another FAIL. I am already sealed with the blood of Jesus Christ and my name is already in the book of life. I will be raptured before the great tribulation, so who needs Ang Sahn Hong’s teachings to seal me again? LOL.

    CoG = FAIL
    brofromzion = Admitted Ang Sahn Hong commited a FAIL
    CoG admits Ang Sahn Hong was a FAILURE!

    Wahahaha so funny! ROFLMAO!

  227. hi brofromzion

    you said “I see lots of people are asking about Ahnsahnghong’s prediction that He’s coming back in 1988 and He did not. Through the Bible, we can find out why”.

    when Ahn Sang Hong said that he will come back in 1988? Certainly before he’s dead, right? In 1985, he died, and 1988 he will come again. 4 years and comin’ again???
    ???
    Are those prophecied in the Bible?
    me getting confused…
    then you said he didn’t come??? He fulfilled all the things in the Bible you said but why didnt he fulfill his word itself??? Why should wrong? Honestly, I dont get your answer…

    Thank You.. GodBless~

    nijuroku

  228. Many false prophets on this forum. They say they believe in the Bible and Jesus, yet they do not follow his commands.

    THE Jesus in the Bible, kept the Sabbath of the New covenant, the Passover of the New Covenant as well as all of GOD’s feasts.

    Most Christians, worship A Jesus. They worship a Jesus that kept Sunday, Christmas, Easter, bowed down to statues of saints, etc..

    These people know who they are, they are wolves dressed in sheeps clothing. They blaspheme the Holy Spirit and the bride who have come in accordance with the prophecies in the Bible.

    You expose your true identity, the more you speak. You accuse the Church of God of heresy while you yourself do not keep the commands of God. Hypocrites!

    If you truly believed in Jesus, you would keep his commands rather than man made teachings. Your refuse to keep God’s commands and call it “legalism”. Very sad indeed.

  229. HI

    DONT ALWAYS REPEAT ANOTHER POST… JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION FIRST…

    THANKS BEFORE…

    NIJUROKU(BAD MOOD)

  230. Some people accuse that the World Mission Society Church of God causes a personal abuse on individuals. if these claims are correct, then Christianity itself causes personal abuse on society. according to the Bible all these claims fit perfectly on the Church of God that Christ established. Let us see.

    1. Personality Changes Relatives will say they no longer recognize the person. The cult member sees himself as righteous in comparison and this comes across in their attitude toward all outsiders.

    John 15:18-20 [“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.]

    2. Loss Of Identity They cannot see themselves as individuals apart from the group. Some even change their name as a rejection of their former life.

    (Simon to Peter) Matthew 16:17-18 [Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it]

    (Saul to Paul) Acts 22:2-6 [When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet. Then Paul said: “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. Under Gamaliel I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers and was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify. I even obtained letters from them to their brothers in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished. “About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?]

    3. Paranoid – We Are Being Persecuted Any time you say anything negative about the group, whether justified or not, it is regarded as persecution. Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution only because they are the true believers or enlightened – not because they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing.

    Jn 15:25 [But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.]

    2 Tim 3:12 [In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted]

    1 Jn 3:13 [Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you]

    4. Social Disorientation They gradually lose their ability to socialize outside the group. This can go so far as to not being able to structure their time or make simple decisions for themselves when they leave.Their world-view alters and they perceive the world through their leaders eyes. They become very naive about life in general.

    2 Timothy 2:3-4 [Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs-he wants to please his commanding officer.]

    1 John 2:15 [Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.]

    5. Severe Guilt Complexes They are made to feel guilty of everything they did before entering the group and are to strive to be good and worthy for eternal life. Misdemeanors are made into mountains so that members are in a constant state of guilt for infringing even the most minor rules. Guilt comes because they aren’t doing enough; entertaining doubts or questions; even thinking rationally for oneself.This guilt is piled upon pile with new rules constantly being laid down about what is sinful and what is not. Illness may be seen as lack of faith – more guilt. Emotional illness may be seen as proof of sin in your life – more guilt.

    Galatians 1:13-14 [For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.]

    Philippians 3:4-7 [though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more:circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless. But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ.]

    Romans 7:23-24 [but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?]

    Clearly it is seen that these claims were made about the Church of God in the Bible. yet these people went to heaven.. these people were called TRUE CHRISTIANS, and are now praised by the whole Christian world. We cannot judge matters of God and the Bible in a worldly standard. Let us follow God according to the Bible. God bless you all.

  231. mmm… I think those are your own thinking… your own perception… your own conclusion… Bible cant be read in that way… right???

    if you do so then you refer to Mark 7:9 [And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”]

    btw please cover my question up there thanks…

  232. LOL another FAIL post from a member of FAIL church!

    Honestly, I give you one more chance to actually answer nijuroku’s question. Any more non-answers and I will just delete your comments. They’re a waste of time.

    CoG STILL = FAIL

    WAHAHHAHA

  233. The Church of God cannot be the true church as it observes the sabbath on the day before Sunday, which as we all know is CATURDAY. The holy day of LONGCAT.

  234. You heretic! Every true believer knows that there is only one (Cat)God, and that is Ceiling Cat, and Happycat is His one and only Son!

    Repent or you shall burn in hellfire with Basement Cat!

  235. Church of God is a church full of FAIL, and Ang Sahng Hong was a FAILED prophet!

    Post edited because it did not answer nijuroku’s question.

  236. Dear Brofromzion,
    Can you tell us a bit about Mother Jerusalem. What is her name? Does she have families? husband, children etc.? How did she get involved in World mission church of god in the first place?

    You were talking also about ‘before the end comes’. When is this going to happen exactly?

    Thank you in advance for your repsonse i really appreciate it.

  237. God bless you Donnie. Here’s the study about Mother Jerusalem:

    The Church of God only follows the teachings of the Bible and believes in the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.

    In the Bible, God is referred to through plural terms instead of singular terms, and it is written that God has a male image and a female image. Therefore, God exists in the male image and in the female image.

    Have you ever thought about why we call God our Father?

    It is written that God’s invisible qualities have been clearly seen and can be understood through what has been made (Rom. 1:20). Is there any creature that is given life through only their father, alone, without a mother being present?

    We need to study this matter carefully.

    The Bible calls us “the children of promise.”

    Gal. 4:28 『Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.』

    Then, what promise did God make to those who are called the children of promise? God promised them eternal life.

    1 John 2:25 『And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.』

    How is eternal life given to us? The Bible says that all things were created by God’s will (Rev. 4:11). Among all of the many creatures that God has created, let us focus on the mothers. Since it is written that God created all things by His will, a certain will of God was expressed when He created mothers on this earth. As you know, all creatures have a mother figure. There is not a single creature that can come into existence without a mother.

    Our physical life is given to us through our physical mother. For 280 days, a baby’s hands, feet, eyes and ears form within his mother’s womb. When the time comes, the mother will give birth to her child, shedding blood. We are given life through our mother’s great pain. How about our spiritual life? Just as our physical life was given to us through our physical mother, our spiritual life is given to us through our spiritual Mother.

    The Bible clearly testifies that our heavenly Mother exists, and that only our heavenly Mother can give us eternal life.

    Let us study through the Bible to discover the existence of our spiritual Mother.

    Gen. 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness…” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』

    The above verse states that God has two images—a male image and a female image. Until now, we have only known and called upon the male image of God: “Father.” Then how should we call upon the female image of God? Logically, we should refer to God’s female image as “Mother.” This is why God had said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.”

    The word “us” is a plural term. “Elohim,” the Hebrew word used in place of “God” in Genesis 1:26, directly translates to “Gods,” the plural form of the word “God.” Therefore, the references to “us” in the book of Genesis refer to God the Father and God the Mother. Some say that the word “us” in this verse indicates God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. If this argument is correct, there should be three types of people in the world—those who were made in the image of God the Father, those who resemble the image of God the Son, and those created in the image of the Holy Spirit. However, on this earth there are only two types of people: men and women. However, the “Gods” mentioned in Genesis 1:26 are the male image of God and the female image of God—God the Father and God the Mother.

    Let us study more truth regarding the heavenly Mother through the character Adam, written in the book of Romans.

    Rom. 5:14 『…Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.』

    Since the book of Romans was written after Jesus had already ascended, the “one to come” mentioned in the above verse indicates the Second Coming Jesus. Adam was created to lead us to the Second Coming Jesus. Then, what was God’s will in creating Eve, Adam’s wife?

    Gen. 2:21 『So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.』

    Gen. 3:20 『Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.』

    The name “Eve” means “life.” Eve was called “the mother of all the living.” God’s intent in creating Adam was to reveal the Second Coming Jesus, our heavenly Father, and Eve was created to reveal the Second Coming Jesus’ wife, our heavenly Mother. In other words, just as Eve was called “the mother of all the living,” we can only be given eternal life through our heavenly Mother. Eve represents our heavenly Mother.

    Two thousand years ago, Jesus said, repeatedly, that He would wait until the last day to raise up all of the people who came to Him (John 6:39, 40, 44. 54). Why did Jesus need to wait until the last day to save His people? What was He waiting for? The account of the six-day Creation—in the book of Genesis, chapter one—represents the spiritual Creation which would take place over six thousand years. Just as the six-day Creation ended after Eve had appeared, so would the six-thousand year spiritual Creation end with the appearance of our spiritual Mother. Jesus could have given His people life during His first coming; however, Jesus waited for the appearance of the heavenly Mother because life would be given through Her.

    Let’s study some of the testimonies about Mother written in the book of Revelation.

    Rev. 19:7 『Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.』

    The book of Revelation was written after Jesus had ascended, and it prophesied about the things that were to happen in the last days. Thus, “the Lamb” mentioned in the above verse indicates the Second Coming Jesus: Ahnsahnghong. When Jesus came to the earth for the first time, two thousand years ago, His wife was not yet ready. The Bride, the wife of the Lamb, would appear in the last days.

    In the book of Revelation, chapter 21, the Bride—the wife of the Lamb—is described as “Jerusalem.”

    Rev. 21:9-10 『…One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he…showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.』

    Apostle Paul testified that this Holy City, Jerusalem, which would come down out of heaven, is our Mother.

    Gal. 4:26 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』

    Apostle Paul testified that we are the children of promise, the children of the free woman, because we have been given the promise of eternal life from our heavenly Mother.

    Gal. 4:28 『Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.』

    Gal. 4:31 『Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』

    If we are the children of the free woman, what should we call Her? We should call Her our “Mother.”
    We cannot have eternal life unless we receive the heavenly Mother. Eternal life, which God has promised us, is given through the heavenly Mother.

    In this last age, we need our Jerusalem Mother who has been established by Christ Ahnsahnghong—the Second Coming Jesus. Let us believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and in Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, so that we can receive eternal life.

  238. God bless you Donnie. You ask about when the end will come. Through the Bible, the end will come when the Seal of God, the Passover is receive by God’s chosen people, those He predestined before the creation of the world.

    Ephesians 1:3-14 [Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.]

    Salvation is given in the name of the Father, Jehovah in the age of the Father, Jesus Christ in the age of the Son and now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit. We must believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.

    Revelation 22:17 [The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.]

    Now, there are so many disasters everywhere in the world: wars between nations, ethnic conflicts, terrors, famines, earthquakes, and deadly cold or heat or flood caused by changes in weather patterns. Whenever such things occur, people tremble with fear, not knowing who or what they should set their hearts on.
    The Bible already prophesied about the coming disasters and what people would do in the day of such disasters.

    Am 9:2-9 『Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, … Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, … Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, …』

    As described in the above prophecy, people desperately try to hide themselves anywhere, because they come to face terrible disasters which men cannot endure. The above prophecy is not about what happened in the days of Amos the prophet about 2,800 years ago, but what will occur in the great and dreadful day of the LORD, at the Last Judgment.
    Men cannot escape the last plagues by their own methods
    Modern people, who live in the age of the high-tech science, feel fear about the coming disasters and the end of mankind, and they try to find various ways to escape from the disasters. They make every effort to find refuge underground or at the bottom of the sea or on a planet outside the earth so that they may escape the threat of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating all life on earth many times over. An atomic submarine for hiding themselves at the bottom of the sea, a spaceship for climbing up to the heavens, …, such various methods are being discussed. According to a press report, America has constructed a large bunker beneath the White House at Mount Weather; and there is said to be ninety-nine underground cities in various places, as a provision for emergency.
    However, the Bible clearly says that even by using the modern scientific methods, no one can escape God’s fierce anger. It also says that the last disaster will come upon all the earth, not just upon parts of it.

    Lk 21:35 『For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 』

    Isa 24:3-13 『The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. … So will it be on the earth and among the nations, …』

    Now, let’s see how the disaster comes upon every nation all over the world.

    2 Pe 3:7-10 『By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. … But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.』

    The Bible says that God will use fire for His judgment. So the disaster, which will come upon the whole world, is fire. When the day comes, the heavens will be destroyed by fire and all things will be burnt up and melt in the heat. The day will be a day of distress; even the warriors will tremble with fear and cry out bitterly.
    However, God has prepared a way to escape the disaster when such dreadful day comes. He has made the way―the good news of salvation―known to us. We can get it only through the Bible, not through any high-tech equipment developed by scientists.

    Passover is the way to escape the disaster
    Let’s take a careful look at God’s word of promise to let us escape any disaster.

    Ex 12:11-14 『”… it is the LORD’s Passover. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn―both men and animals … The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. …”』

    At the time of the Exodus, when the plague of destroying every firstborn was brought upon Egypt, no plague befell to the Israeli houses which kept the Passover. In other words, the plague passed over them. Thus, Passover (pascha in Greek, pesach in Hebrew) implies “Plagues pass over.”
    Such a history was written as a warning for us. Faithless Israel didn’t believe in the power of the Passover. However, Judah regarded the Passover as important and celebrated it. Through the history of Israel and of Judah, we come to realize how truly important the Passover is.
    Hezekiah king of Judah read all the words of the covenant, which had been found in the temple of the LORD when it was being repaired and restored. He realized the covenant of God and sent couriers to all Judah and Israel so that they might celebrate the Passover which had not been kept for a long time. When the couriers delivered the king’s command to “come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover,” Israel scorned and ridiculed them, and several years later it fell to Assyria (2 Ki 18:9-12). However, Judah celebrated the Passover holy and could repulse the attack of powerful Assyria with God’s mighty power (2 Ch 30:1-27; 2 Ki 18:13-19:37).
    In these last days, there are two groups of people: one group who will receive terrible plagues, and the other who will escape them with God’s help.

    Rev 7:1-4 『After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth … another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. … “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”』

    The only way to escape the last plagues is to receive the seal of God. Then, what is the seal of God? The Bible prophesies that the blood of the Passover lamb will be a sign for God’s people so that they may escape the last plagues. In other words, the blood of the Passover lamb is ‘the seal of God’ through which God’s people can be saved.
    At the time of the Exodus, the Israelites could be saved from the terrible plague of destroying every firstborn, by putting the blood of a year-old Passover lamb on their door posts and eating the meat. The Passover lamb of the Old Testament represents Jesus.

    1 Co 5:7-8 『… For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, …』

    No one can escape the last plagues without ‘the blood of Jesus Christ’ who is the Passover Lamb.
    When the angels, who are given power to harm, let go of their hold on the wind [war], the terrible disasters [the last plagues] will come upon this earth (Rev 7:1-3). To make the last plagues pass over His people, God places His ‘seal’ on His children’s foreheads. The ‘seal of God’ is the seal of salvation through which God’s people can escape the disasters.

    Eze 9:4-6 『and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it. … Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.』

    Whom did God order the destroying angels to begin with? He told them to begin with the elders [leaders] of the false churches, who do not have the mark―the seal of God, the blood of the Passover Lamb―on their foreheads.
    Considering the prophecies of the Bible, we are now living in the days of the last plagues. God is awakening us, His children, to the fact that we can escape the plagues only through the ‘seal of God.’ He shows us that His sealing work will arise from the east and spread to the west.

    Rev 7:2 『Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God.』

    When Apostle John received the revelation on the island of Patmos, he saw an angel ascending from the rising of the sun. This implies that God’s sealing work is to begin in the east.

    God seals us as His own children
    When we celebrate the Passover, God abides in us, and we in Him (Jn 6:56; 15:4-8). As we dwell in God, we belong to Him.

    2 Co 1:21-22 『Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He … set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.』

    God has set His seal on us to be marked as ‘His own.’ Let’s see what blessings God gives us, His own.

    Isa 43:1-3 『O Jacob, …: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. … When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. …”』

    God has made us His own by putting His seal on us through the Passover. He has firmly promised to protect us from any destructive disasters. God is now calling His children, living in the days of disasters, to celebrate the Passover and escape the last plagues.
    Before the angels, who are holding back the four winds, let go of their hold, we should preach the Passover of the new covenant―the seal of God―to the whole world, as the couriers of the good news of salvation.

    Brothers and sisters in Zion! Let’s give thanks to God for making us His very own, His treasured possession. We must all take part in God’s salvation work in this age. God bless you all.

  239. “In the Bible, God is referred to through plural terms instead of singular terms, and it is written that God has a male image and a female image. Therefore, God exists in the male image and in the female image.”

    How stupid can you be brofromzion? Do you think GODS reproduce sexually, male with female, like ANIMALS? Do you think every human being on this earth was popped out of Mother’s womb?

    Every single damn academic on this planet can tell you that Elohim is never a collective noun. That the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is clear in Genesis 1:29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun ‘I’. What kind of fruitcake Korean bibles do you use? Take your theory to any professor or theologian and learn some damn Hebrew.

  240. God bless you Ben. So you think that I’m stupid because I believe in Jerusalem Mother. Here on earth, a family has father, mother and children. Why don’t we study the Bible to see how Heavenly Family and Earthly Family exist?

    Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.』

    All of the earthly systems are a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven. The family system is the same. Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us the existence of the heavenly Mother by teaching us about the heavenly family system through the earthly family system.

    Everything within the spiritual world is reflected on this earth. In other words, everything on the earth is a shadow, and the things in heaven are the realities of what is on earth.

    God established the earthly family system to show us that there is also a family system in heaven. The reason why God made every family on the earth has a father, a mother, and children was to reveal that in heaven, as well, there is a Father, a Mother, and children. God’s providence is to let us know that there exists a God the Mother in heaven, as well as a God the Father.

    Do you want to be a part of the heavenly family? Let us find out how we can be members of the heavenly family.

    What are you reminded of when you hear the word “family”? Don’t you think of a “house”? Jesus also mentioned a “house” many times in the Bible.

    John 14:1-3 『”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place [house] for you. And if I go and prepare a place [house] for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.』

    Jesus said that the Father’s house surely exists. As of now, the house has been prepared. Then, who will be the members of this house? The family system described in the Bible is paternalistic. As you can see through your physical family, the first, main member of the house is the father. Therefore, if there is a father in the families on the earth, there must also be a Father in heaven.

    Let us find out if we have a Father in heaven.

    Heb. 12:9 『Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!』

    Matt. 6:9 『”This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name…’ “』

    The God in heaven is our God the Father. Just as we have a physical father on this earth, we have a spiritual Father in heaven. He is God the Father, Ahnsahnghong.

    Who comes to mind next when we think of a family? Most people will think of a “mother.” But before we consider “mother,” we have to think about what kind of person can be called a “father.” No one can be called “father” unless he has a child. No mater how old a man is, if he has had no children, who would call him “father”? The title “father” is only used by children.

    Therefore, a family must have children. Let us find out if our heavenly Father has children.

    Matt. 12:46 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』

    Here, we can find the words “brothers” and “sisters.” Just as we have physical brothers and sisters, we have spiritual brothers and sisters. God’s children, who call upon the God in heaven as “Father,” must follow the will of the heavenly Father. In the Church of God, the children of the heavenly Father keep the Sabbath, the Passover, and all of the other truths, according to the will of the Father in heaven. The Church of God follows the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and we are brothers and sisters.

    We have studied that there exist a God the Father, and His children, in the heavenly family. Then, who is left? It’s Mother.

    Gal. 4:25-26 『Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』

    In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.

    So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.

    What connects a family together? It’s blood. Just as physical children inherit their father and mother’s flesh and blood, the spiritual children inherit the spiritual Father and Mother’s flesh and blood. If the physical family is connected by physical blood, then the heavenly family is connected by heavenly blood, because what is on earth is a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven.

    John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』

    Jesus fed his people with His flesh and blood, so the heavenly Father and Mother’s blood and flesh are now in us. Only God has eternal life. The flesh and blood of God—who gives eternal life—has been given to us, God’s children. Thus, we have become eternal beings and we are able to call upon God, “Abba, Father!”

    Then, through what truth can we receive the right to become God’s children? How can we inherit the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father?

    Matt. 26:17-19 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.』

    Matt. 26:26-28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』

    As shown above, the Passover bread is Jesus’ body, His flesh, and the Passover wine is Jesus’ blood. By eating and drinking the bread and wine of the Passover, we can receive God’s flesh and blood and become God’s children.

    Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who brought the Passover in this last age. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our spiritual Father who brought us the Passover, which spiritually connects us with God. Our spiritual Mother is the true God who gives us birth and brings us up.
    Don’t you want to be a member of the spiritual family? Let us all become God’s children, receiving the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and our heavenly Mother through the Passover of the new covenant, so that we can inherit the kingdom of God. God bless you.

  241. God bless you all. To those who don’t believe in the existence of Jerusalem Mother, our Heavenly Mother, here’s more proof.

    The word “Elohim” directly translates to “Gods.” The Bible testifies that God exists in the female image, God the Mother, as well as the male image, God the Father.

    World Mission Society Church of God has received Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong, God the Father, and the heavenly Jerusalem, God the Mother.

    When people hear the word “God,” most immediately think of “God the Father,” holding to the fixed idea that only God the Father exists; however, the Bible clearly testifies that there is a God the Mother in addition to a God the Father. We sincerely hope that you can break your fixed, man-made ideas so that you can receive the true Saviors: Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.

    Then, let us discover why the members of the Church of God accept Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother as their Elohim God.

    Let us confirm that there is both a male and a female image of God, through the book of Genesis.

    Gen. 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,”…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』

    Both males and females were created in the image of God, and thus it is clear that God has two images: a male image and a female image. When God said, “Let us make man in our image,” God used the word “us”—a plural term—instead of using “me.” We come to understand that not one God, but two Gods—a Father and a Mother—worked together during the Creation. Such plural terms are used to describe God in Genesis chapter 11, also.

    Gen. 11:1-7 『…The LORD said…”Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”』

    This verse, too, makes reference to Elohim God, the same God who created male and female (in Genesis chapter 1), saying, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” In Genesis chapter 11, God was responding to the arrogance of the people, who had collectively built the tower of Babel. Through this situation, God testifies that there exists a God the Mother as well as a God the Father by saying, “Let us go down…”

    We can confirm the existence of Elohim God through the book of Isaiah as well.

    Isa. 6:8 『Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”』

    When God was searching for a man to preach His words, God said, “Who will go for us?” instead of saying, “Who will go for me?” This reveals that not only the Father was working, but that there was a Mother who was working as well.

    In the book of Jeremiah we can also find references to Elohim God.

    Jer. 31:22 『…The LORD will create a new thing on earth—a woman will surround a man.』

    God said that He would create a new thing: a woman would surround a man. Spiritually, this verse has a very profound meaning. The woman, Eve, had once been inside the man. If God had not made the woman with the ribs He had taken out of the man, how could the woman have been able to surround the man? The new thing, that God said He would bring to the earth, would be the revealing of Mother, who has been within God the Father since the beginning. The new thing would be created at the time God established the new covenant.

    Jer. 31:31-34 『”The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…”I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”』

    In the Hebrew Bible, the word “God” is actually written as “Elohim”—”I will be their God [Elohim].” “Elohim” is the plural form of the word “Eloah,” meaning a singular God. Therefore, “Elohim” means “Gods,” plural. Once we can understand the concept of Elohim God through the new covenant, we no longer need men to teach us to know God, because we will all know God, from the least of us to the greatest. In the truth of the new covenant, we can only become the children of God when we have God the Father and God the Mother, our Elohim God.

    When Elohim God created male and female, They said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” When Elohim God punished the evil acts of God’s people, They said, “Let us go down.” When the Gods called to Isaiah, They said, “Who will go for us?” Throughout the Bible, God has existed as the male God and the female God: Elohim. God bless you all.

  242. God bless you Ben. Here’w what you wrote to me:

    – Every single damn academic on this planet can tell you that Elohim is never a collective noun. That the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is clear in Genesis 1:29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun ‘I’. What kind of fruitcake Korean bibles do you use? Take your theory to any professor or theologian and LEARN SOME DAMN HEBREW.

    Jer. 31:31-34 『”The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…”I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”』

    Ben, in the Hebrew Bible, the word “God” is actually written as “Elohim”—”I will be their God [Elohim].” “Elohim” is the plural form of the word “Eloah,” meaning a singular God. Therefore, “Elohim” means “Gods,” plural. Once we can understand the concept of Elohim God through the new covenant, we no longer need men to teach us to know God, because we will all know God, from the least of us to the greatest. In the truth of the new covenant, we can only become the children of God when we have God the Father and God the Mother, our Elohim God. God bless you Ben.

  243. Fool. You create meanings in ancient Hebrew to suit your own purposes.

    Ben, don’t bother trying to use logic and facts to convince them. They only believe whatever their cult leaders tell them and totally disbelieve external sources.

  244. God bless you Jamie. Why don’t we look at our own dictionary of what’s the meaning of Elohim:

    Elohim – A name for God in Hebrew Scriptures

    [Hebrew ‘ělōhîm, plural of ‘ělōah, god; see l in Semitic roots.]

    Ref: American Heritage Dictionary

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Elohim

    So tell me Jamie. Did World Mission Society Church of God created this meaning from our own dictionary to fit our doctrines? Also, our founder, Christ Ahnsahnghong is testified as the Second Coming of Jesus Christ because He is prophecied in the Bible.

    1 Peter 1:20-21 [Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.]

    Is it clear to you? World Mission Society Church of God follows ALL God’s laws, wills, customs, feast and prophecies according to the Scripture or Bible, the Word of God. The reason why you don’t understand the truth of God is because you want to chastize World Mission Society Church of God based on a worldly standard, not through the Bible. Clearly, no one can understand the Bible by using reasons from the wills and traditions of man. We have to based it on the Word of God. God bless you Jamie.

  245. Oh, CoG didn’t create the meaning, but they did create a story for the word that twisted the original meaning.

    You FAIL again. If you want to know the way the word was used in the ancient context, you need to examine how it was used IN THE ANCIENT CONTEXT. Did the Jews EVER refer to more than one YHWH? They never did.

    CoG = FAIL

  246. God bless you
    Dear, nijuroku

    hi.
    I want for you to study and get answer of your questions in the Zion.
    I know and understand your corncerned and curious about many matters.
    If you really want to study and get something, Why don’t you drop by Zion which you were studied?
    Please think and have objective mind.

    Contact with sister or brother of Zion who preached to u at first time.

    Nijuroku, Please think about again.
    Whoever don’t keeps feasts of God and commandment never return heaven.
    Even you can’t believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong right now, You must think about this.
    Jamie and other people persecute us without keeping any commandments of God.

    God bless you.
    I hope for you to study and get answer it from Zion.

  247. Jamie and others

    Elohim is indicates Plural God.
    Gods exist and appeared in the Bible often.
    Evidently.
    There are two image of God, male and female.

    Everything in this world, can get a life from physical mother.
    Think about Who gave you life?
    Mother.
    God created everything like this to show us his divine nature.

  248. You Fail.
    You don’t have truth.

  249. well nijuroko,

    Beware!. The Holy spirit shall guide you. Do not go to Zion they call. It is the city of cults where they worship false Gods

    The false prophets in the end times” Wolf in sheep clothing”

    You will never get an answer to your simple questions so they call you to Zion to give a good brainwash.

    To believe in your Gods we need their history. Post the document just as your COG put the court case write up from the Korean Times to prove their innocence

    Is it so hard to show who their parents or kids were?

  250. God bless you all. Here’s more proof of Jerusalem Mother’s existence. The character Abraham is used to represent God in the Bible. Through the history of Abraham’s family, God has revealed to us how we can inherit the kingdom of heaven.

    Isaac was the one who received Abraham’s inheritance. Even though Abraham had another son named Ishmael, born through Hagar, God did not allow Ishmael to receive the inheritance of Abraham. Rather, God bestowed the inheritance upon Isaac, who was born through Sarah. The reason why Isaac was chosen as Abraham’s heir was that Isaac was the son of Sarah, who was free. This history shows us that the heavenly inheritance will be given to those who are born of the heavenly Mother, who is free.

    Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that our heavenly Mother does in fact exist and that She is truly the biggest mystery hidden within the Bible.

    Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.

    First of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.

    Luke 16:19-31 『”…The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called
    to him, ‘Father Abraham…’ “』

    As you know, this parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham can be likened to the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.

    Then, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir.

    There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.

    Gen. 15:1-4 『…But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』

    When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.

    Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』

    Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.

    Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』

    When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three—Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac—Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.

    Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir.

    Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.

    In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir—that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.

    What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.

    Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother—only the children who are born through the new covenant—can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.

    Gal. 4:22-31 『…But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother…Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』

    The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.

    In today’s world, there are three types of people: those who are like Eliezer, those like Ishmael, and those who are like Isaac. The first type of people, who are like Eliezer, are atheists, who do not believe in Father God or in Mother God. The second type of people, who are like Ishmael, are those who believe in Father God, but do not believe in Mother God. The third type of people, who are like Isaac, are those who believe in Mother God as well as Father God. According to the history of Abraham’s family, which one of these three types can become an heir of the kingdom of heaven? Only the third type of people, who are like Isaac, can be recognized as God’s heirs. There is no doubt about it.

    Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.

    God said, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). What kind of knowledge is God referring to in this verse? We must recognize that we have a God the Mother, as well as a God the Father. We must accept Elohim God. Also, we must firmly believe that God is our Mother, who gives us salvation alongside our Father. Only after we come to realize this can we say that we have the knowledge of God, and that we will not be those who are destroyed from a “lack of knowledge.”

    The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven. God bless you all.

  251. Dear Brofromzion, Thank you for your reply, but you really did not answer my questions. I really ask very simple things below:

    Can you tell us a bit about Mother Jerusalem. What is her name? Does she have families? husband, children etc.? How did she get involved in World mission church of god in the first place?

    You were talking also about ‘before the end comes’. When is this going to happen exactly?

  252. Yes returnedangel, I agree. CoG doesn’t have truth, and it FAILS.

    In fact, you FAIL too! There are more holes in your theology than a tea strainer. Anyway, you say that me and others persecute you. Hahaha. Liar. If you want me to persecute you, then come drop me a line in Singapore and I will bring a whip, torture instruments and salt to really persecute you.

    What wimps! Consider the apostles who were TRUELY persecuted, or the thousands of non-CoG Christians who are tortured or perish for their faith in Jesus Christ. I disagree with your arguments and you cannot answer me, and you claim you are being persecuted? Pansies, the whole lot of you. Again, consider the apostles who built the first church! The book of Acts says that those who argued with them could not withstand their wisdom! If CoG really had true statements and arguments, then God should be on your side and none of us would be able to withstand your wisdom.

    Yet this is not the case. Therefore, God is not with CoG members who are deceived by the god of this world into Anti-Christ beliefs.

    brofromzion, unless you tell me how you can follow a man who FAILED to give a TRUE PROPHECY and yet is supposed to perfection incarnate, I will delete all your future comments. You yourself admitted that Ang Sahn Hong FAILED when he predicted the date of the second coming of Christ? Didn’t you know that the bible orders those whose prophecies fail to come to pass to be put to death? Shouldn’t you have put Ang Sahn Hong to the death instead of following him? You claim to be the only ones who follow God’s Word, but this is PROOF that you neither know the Word of God nor follow it.

    Ludicrous! Perfection can never fail, yet their idea of a perfect man FAILED BIG TIME. HHAHAAHAH.

    CoG = FAIL

  253. Hi returnedangel,

    thanks for your suggestion…
    and yes, you right , now I really dont believe with Ahn Sang Hong’something…

    Donnie, according to them Mother Jerusalem’s name is Zahng Gil Jah, and she is Ahn Sang Hong’s wife.. I dont know how she ge involved in CoG WMS…

    try to look:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God

    and one thing… why doesn’t Zahng Gil Jah go preaching around the world?? spreading God’s word??

    GodBless~

    nijuroku

  254. Another FAIL post.

    CoG = FAIL

  255. LOL returned angel, how come none of the CoG members can do anything to answer nijuroku’s question? Is there only wisdom in that so called Zion? If that is so, that speaks volumes! If God is stuck in only one place and can’t even give wisdom to His supposed followers, why, what a weakling you serve!

    What a stupid, useless and fake god that god is!

    CoG = FAIL
    CoG’s god = FAIL

  256. Okay Brofromzion

    When Jesus appeared Thomas was not with them and he said to the disciples “Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands and put my finger in his side, I will not believe”

    To which you may comment the words Jesus spoke “How happy are those who believe without seeing me!’

    Now your God was here the second time and yet no one seen him as a second coming Jesus. The revelation says every eye will see the glorious return of jesus. But no such great event happened.

    Infact Ahnsahnghong settles down in a cave with this little pastor boy cheol and plays mischief with the bible. How nice!. Commits adultery and after his death we have a mother God who is enjoying the fruit of his labor. No wonder anyone who is divorced and ends up in this church seem to remarry the brother or sister of Zion. Mother Jerusalen runs a marriage bureau too.

    We have true parents a similar thing in the moonie cult.

    According to you God will appear the (third time)?
    With glasses or contact lens??? HMM!

  257. Jamie

    Calm Down!!
    You looks like an rough and rage woman.

    You even don’t know about the meaning of Elohim.
    Elohim God evidently exist .
    Who give you life, physically?
    Only Father??
    No.
    Never.
    Your mother gave you directly.
    Why God created Mother as a main life giver, not the father?
    To show and prove the existence of Heavenly Mother.

    You may call sister or brother in your church.
    You are liar.
    Because There is no Heavenly Mother in your church.
    So You can’t be the children of God.
    And You must not use the word, sister or brother anymore.

    Look everything in this world.
    Don’t Pay attention to physical things of God.
    You just like with Jews in 2000 years ago.
    You commented,
    Christian exist so many in this world.
    But Christian believe in God who appear as human 2000 years ago.
    Think.
    Jesus was Man,human with flesh and blood.
    His disciples believed in him as God through Bible.
    But others not.
    You looks like them,
    You have prejudice.
    How man can be a man?
    But Almighty God can be a man.
    Even God’s creature, You became a man.

    Do throw your illusion now.

  258. nijuroku,

    I’m sorry to see your condition now.
    I really and Heavenly Mother and Father want for you study and think again now.

    Don’t argue here , and ask.
    This site is made for the purpose of abusing Church of God.

    You have to possess the objective mind.
    This homepage belongs to the unbeliever of God.
    They don’t know even basic truth and don’t keep anything.
    They plused man’s teaching and thinking.

    http://usa.watv.org

  259. Hi returnedangel. Your absolutely right. Jamie created this site to chastize our Heavenly Father and Mother. The thing that I don’t really like what Jamie’s doing is deleting and editing comments. Isn’t this suppose to be fair for everyone to say and make comments on what they believe and prove it through the Scripture? Unfortunately, she doesn’t like to hear the truth I put on this site. She makes her own opinion and not looking at God’s word.

    LOL another FAIL comment followed by his previous spam message.

  260. Oh, you guys are not happy about what I’m doing? Firstly, you are all mistaken. Where is it stated that this site is supposed to be fair? It’s my site, so I’ll do what I like to it. Any way, I gave you ample warning to answer my questions and answer nijuroku, but again and again you discourteously ignore them. Thus, punishment is in order.

    I’m having a ball of a time ‘persecuting’ you. Hahaha. So funny lah all of you. You neither understand any true theology nor want to critically examine your faith, so why should I be fair to you who never answer questions and continuously post long and irrelevant comments? You think too highly of yourselves.

    I don’t need any Ang Sahn Hong, I don’t need any heavenly mother to come about. I was conceived in the mind of God even before I was placed into my mother’s womb, and God placed His spirit into me.

    You know, I really pity you people. You have no idea how absolutely repulsive you are making yourselves to people do you? Non-answers, flooding, repeated spams, constant accusations, unvalidated claims, etc. All these really make you unpleasant people. Now, if you were more willing to engage in proper dialogue, I would be fair, but the time for that has passed.

    Not happy? Go away then.

  261. Hello Brofromzion,

    When is the end? Please give me an exact time and date.

    If you are sure of when it is, then post please. If you are not sure, then please say that you do not know instead of giving me an answer such as “soon”.

    I would greatly appreciate.

  262. Yes, I will remember your saying.
    You don’t have to be saved at the end of your day.
    Blame and Abuse more.
    Even you abuse us with insulting words , The truth will win.
    You’ll fail.
    You don’t have any truth from Jesus,
    So Don’t say you love Jesus, believe in him.
    Don’t you know the word of Jesus

    “If you love me you keep my words.”

    Go away.

  263. I am a pot calling a kettle black.

    CoG = FAIL

  264. Dark Angel,
    Do you want to know the time of the end?
    Why?
    Why you want to know?
    To be saved?

    God only know that time.
    Don’t you know this until now?
    And then Do you know?
    Never.
    God only know.

  265. ReturnedAngel,

    You asked why I want to know. Well, I want to know because I don’t… and since you all want to preach about the end coming soon, then I would assume that you all would know.

    If you do not, then what is the purpose of preaching the end if you don’t know when it is.

    If “God only knows” then your claims of the end coming soon are meaningless.

    You all claim to be familar with a Being that is said to be beyond our comprehension, yet you say that you do not know certain things.

    Obviously Mother Jerusalem doesn’t know because she’s not the father.

    Obviously Ahnsahnghong didn’t know, no question about that.

    And now, you who claim to know and love an OmniScient Being doesn’t know.

    Very Interesting.

    What exactly is “man’s teachings” by the way, I’m curious. I hear that a lot and I want to know exactly what you all mean by that.

    I have yet to see teachings from a Supreme Being because any “teachings” from a Supreme Being does not and would not need different versions created for it or need the help of imperfect man to create or interpret anything. It would be written perfectly and would relate to everyone, where everyone can understand.

    It would be the perfect words.

  266. Yea, thanks for posting under my name pretending to be me. Very “Jesus-like” of you, in your case, “Ahnsahnghong-like”.

    Next time, try addressing my post please.

    Thanks

  267. Hi Jamie. God bless you. I have posted this on MySpace, Friendster, Facebook and many more. Can you delete them all? LOL. I’ll keep posting it on ALL website so the whole world will know, believe or unbeliever, that you don’t want the truth of God, you weed.

  268. Haha what a FAILED attempt at impersonation and slander. You know that you can be prosecuted for such behavior? You’re lucky I helped you delete them, returnedangel. I can see your IP, you can’t fake me.

    brofromzion, as you like. Post wherever you like, but you’ll just be considered as a spammer. Just about everyone else outside of CoG believes it’s not real Christianity, so I don’t care where you post it.

    Honestly, I can see how Ang Sahn Hong must have been like when he was living. His follower is a good example!

    Your attempt to make me intimidated = FAIL
    CoG = FAIL

  269. God bless you Jamie.

    God the Father Jehovah
    God the Son Jesus
    God the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother

    Revelations 22:13 [I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.]

  270. brother brofromzion,

    When exactly is ‘The End’ ? Can you tell me please, if you dont know exact date, probably just the year would be sufficient.

    And you still have not answered my question about ‘Mother’, for example: how did she get involved, does she have families, how old is she.

    Thank you so much for your patience and reply.

  271. God bless you Donnie.

    Revelations 7:1-3 『After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 』

    Once all God’s chosen people has the Seal of God, then it will come.

  272. Hello BrofromZion,

    I would like to say that your church may have already surpassed the 144,000 quota. A few years ago, roughly 2005, the number of members were said to be in your church was posted on their website.

    The problem was, according to your church, it appeared that people were lacking faith and were dropping out. So, for every one person that may have dropped out, there were perhaps two more to replace that one person.

    So apparently, it takes a lot of faith and belief to trigger this “end”.

    I see that you’ve posted some form of Trinity concept:

    “God the Father Jehovah
    God the Son Jesus
    God the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother”

    This concept, is exactly what it appears to be…a concept. It’s not a fact, because if it were a fact, then Mother Jerusalem, who is said to be OmniScient, would know when “the end” would be.

    Ahnsahnghong, whom you believe to be a God, would too have known when the end would have been but apparently, he didn’t, giving false predictions and all. So he of course, is not OmniScient.

    Neither person are OmniScient and according to you, is said to be a part of this Trinity concept.

    It does not make any sense for a Being to keep information from itself or other “personalities” of itself if it is OmniScient.

    Either “the Father” is the only OmniScient Being and the other two are not, which would make them not Gods or all three are OmniScient, which should mean that all personalities KNOW what the other knows and knowledge is not separate from itself.

    Can you keep a secret from yourself, Brofromzion?

    Try it sometime.

    Now imagine an OmniScient Being keeping information from itself. It would totally contradict the nature of being OmniScient.

    Mother Jerusalem are Ahnsahnghong were not and are not OmniScient. Which means, they are not Gods.

  273. God bless you Dark Angel. The concept of “Trinity” means that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are not different entities, but are one God.To better understand the Trinity, let’s first consider the transformation of water. Water is a liquid, but when its temperature falls below 0° C, the water will turn into ice, a solid. When the water is boiled, it turns into vapor, a gas. Water, ice, and vapor have different names and different forms, but their substance is the same: H₂O.

    It is similar to when an actor in a monodrama plays three different characters. A father, a son, and a grandson, all having different voices. Although there are three different voices and three different roles, there is only one actor.

    Like this, even though God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit may look different, have different names, and have appeared during different ages, the three are one God. The Trinity reveals that God administrates His salvation work while playing three roles.

    For six thousand years God has carried out His salvation work in the role of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, each according to its age.

    God the Father = God the Son

    Let us confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God.

    Isaiah prophesied about Jesus as follows:

    Isa. 9:6 『For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.』

    Isaiah the prophet testified to the birth of a “child” and a “son”, in the future. But the titles he gave this child and this son were: “Mighty God” and “Everlasting Father”, Isaiah the prophet only called to Jehovah God as Mighty God and Everlasting Father, letting us understand that in the future Jehovah God will come to the earth playing the role of a child and of a son. This child and this son was Jesus, and Apostle Paul clearly understood this:

    Phil. 2:5-7 『Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man…』

    Rom. 9:5 『…Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.』

    We can also confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God by studying the history of the Creation.

    Isa. 44:24 『I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself…』

    God the Father Jehovah said that He had created everything by Himself, but Jesus said that it was He who had created the world.

    Col. 1:16 『For by him [Jesus] all things were created…』

    The Bible states that God the Father, Jehovah, created the world, but it also says that God the Son, Jesus, created the world. Therefore, God the Father [Jehovah] and God the Son [Jesus] are clearly one God.

    Isa. 44:6 『”This is what the LORD says, Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last…』

    God the Father said, “I am the first and I am the last.”

    Rev. 22:13 『”I [Jesus] am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”』

    God the Son also said, “I am the First and the Last.” Therefore, God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God.

    God the Father = God the Holy Spirit

    Let us confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Holy Spirit are one God.
    In the Bible, there are frequent references to “the (Holy) Spirit.” The Bible teaches us that God is spirit, and that God is holy. Thus, the spirit of God is holy, too. We call the spirit of God “the Holy Spirit.”

    John 4:24 『God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.』

    Apostle Paul wrote in the book of Corinthians that God is the Holy Spirit.

    1 Cor. 2:10-11 『…but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 』

    The (Holy) Spirit could search even the deep things of God (the Father), the things which no one could know. If “the Holy Spirit” and “the spirit of God” were different, how could the Holy Spirit possibly know the thoughts of God? Only the spirit of God the Holy Spirit knows the thoughts of God. Therefore, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one.

    2 Tim. 3:16 『All Scripture is God-breathed…』

    2 Pet. 1:20-21 『Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 』

    The Bible is “God-breathed” and it was written by the prophets, “as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” This clearly testifies that God the Father, Jehovah, is the Holy Spirit.

    The Bible = God-breathed book
    The Bible = A book written by prophets being carried along by the Holy Spirit
    Therefore the Holy Spirit is God.

    Therefore, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father, Jehovah, are one God.

    God the Son = God the Holy Spirit

    Let us confirm that God the Son, Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit, are one God.

    Isa. 9:6 『…a son …will be called Wonderful Counselor… 』

    The verse above states that the Son, Jesus, will be called Wonderful Counselor.

    John 14:26 『”But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things…”』

    The Son is the Counselor, and the Counselor is the Holy Spirit, so we can easily conclude that the Son, Jesus, is the Holy Spirit.

    Therefore, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not separate, but are one.

    The Holy Spirit is a Personal Being

    The Holy Spirit is not a kind of energy or an electric wave. The Holy Spirit is a personal being who has feelings (Rom. 15:30), who grieves (Eph. 4:30), who speaks (Rev. 2:7), who groans (Rom. 8:26), who intercedes (Rom. 8:26), who testifies about God (John 15:26), who teaches (John 14:26), who gives commands (Rom. 8:29), who keeps us from preaching in certain places (Acts 16:6-7), who thinks (Rom. 8:27), and who has been blasphemed (Matt. 12: 31-32).

    John 14:26, NASB 『”But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.』

    The Holy Spirit is referred to as “He,” meaning that the Holy Spirit is a personal being.

    Matt. 28:19 『”Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”』

    If the Holy Spirit was not a man with character, but merely an invisible, active power like an electric wave, or energy how would it be possible for the Holy Spirit to have a name? The fact that the Holy Spirit has a name proves that the Holy Spirit is a man, with character.

    God commanded us to be baptized in the name of the Father, the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit, because He would administrate His salvation work with three names (of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit) according to each age. By calling out the three names through which God showed His authority, God’s prophets are to baptize people and commemorate God.

    God’s name was “Jehovah” when He played the role of the Father, and it was “Jesus” when He worked as the Son. Then, how should we call upon God when He is working as the Holy Spirit?

    The Name of the Holy Spirit is Ahnsahnghong.

    Since God told us to “baptize (people) in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” we need to understand that the “Trinity” God the Father [Jehovah], God the Son [Jesus], and God the Holy Spirit [Ahnsahnghong] are one God. By this understanding we can receive abundant blessing and we can participate in God’s administration of salvation, which has been carried out through the Trinity.

  274. Here’s more proof the Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming of Christ. In the bible, God lets us know about a very important place for our salvation. That place is the Garden of Eden. In the Garden of Eden, we can find out not only about the biblical origin of human beings, but the origin of death as well.

    However, the Garden of Eden does not only hold the key to how we came to die, but also how we can come to have the secret of eternal life. Because we sinned in the Garden of Eden, all men have been destined to die. Then, is that it? Are only born to die in this dreadful world? Is there anyway to be saved from our sin, and finally death?

    According to the bible, Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that there is a way to escape death, and that is only by eating from the “tree of life”. According to the bible, because all men sinned by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden, the only way to regain our eternal life is by eating from the tree of life. However, Satan blocked the way to the tree of life in A.D. 325.

    The Bible prophesied that Jesus would come a second time to restore the way to the tree of life and give eternal life to human beings who were destined to die. It is Ahnsahnghong that brought us the way to once again take and eat form the tree of life, and receive eternal salvation. Therefore, the Church of God believes in him, Christ Ahnshanghong, as the Second Coming Jesus.

    Then, what is the tree of life? Is it truly Christ Ahnsahnghong that brought us the tree of life?

    The tree of life hidden since the creation

    Matt. 13:34-35 『Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”』

    According to the bible, Jesus always spoke in parables. In these parables, Jesus has revealed things hidden since the creation of the world. Among the 66 books, which book has the history of the creation of the world? It is the book of Genesis.

    In the book of Genesis there are many parables showing God’s Providence. Among the parables, let’s study the tree of life.

    Gen. 2:16-17 『And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”』

    In the Garden of Eden, God the LORD put the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And He commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, they were tempted by Satan and violated the commandment of God. By this, human beings are destined to die and death entered this world through sin.

    However, Jesus said that he spoke in parables, which speaks of hidden things, but is the story the tree of the knowledge of good and evil a hidden thing? Everyone has heard this story before. The n what was hidden?

    Even though we all know about how we came to die in the Garden of Eden, how many people know about how we had to have eternal life?

    This is the hidden thing that Jesus was speaking of. There is a proverb, “where there is a problem, there is a solution.” Then, if death is the problem, what can be the only possible solution? Eternal life. Let’s see how we were able to have eternal life in the Garden of Eden.
    Gen. 3:22 『And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”』

    According to the above verse, the way that we are able to have eternal life is by eating from the tree of life.
    According to the bible, because we sinned by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God blocked the way for us to eat from the tree of life and receive eternal life. But if God blocked the way to eat from the tree of life, then who is the only one that can open the way? Only God. However, two thousand years ago, Jesus Christ came to give us the way to eternal life.
    John 10:10 『The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.』

    Life to the full means “eternal life”. But according to bible, the only way to receive eternal life is by eating from the tree of life. This means that Christ came to open the way to the tree of life. However, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Jesus Christ is God almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life.

    Then, what is the reality of the tree of life?
    How did Jesus open the way for us to eat from the tree of life?

    John 6:53-54 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.』

    In Genesis, what should we eat to have eternal life? It’s the tree of life. However, what did Jesus say we should eat to have eternal life? He said we should eat His flesh and drink His blood. Then, what is Jesus’ flesh and blood? It’s the reality of the tree of life. That’s right. The fruit of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden represents Jesus’ flesh and blood. By eating Jesus’ flesh and blood we can eat the fruit of the tree of life and have eternal life, which was lost in the Garden of Eden.

    How do we eat Jesus Flesh and blood?
    Are we to really eat Jesus Christ himself?

    No way. The bible shows us exactly how to eat Jesus flesh and blood to receive eternal life.
    Matt. 26:17-26 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to
    eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover. … While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』

    In the Garden of Eden; we needed to eat from the tree of life in order to receive eternal life. In the New Testament, the reality of the tree of life is Jesus Christ flesh and blood. The way to eat from Jesus Christ flesh and blood is be celebrating the Passover. Then, we can say the reality of the tree of life is the Passover.

    Again, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Jesus Christ is God almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life

    Christ Ahnsahnghong who restored us the tree of life

    We, human beings, who lost the tree of life and were destined to die, have the chase once again to have eternal life by God who came in the flesh and allowed the fruit of the tree of life, that is, the bread and wine of the Passover. However, the devil abolished the truth of the Passover at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. It means the tree of life was hidden and no one could have eternal life. We could not expect salvation without the Passover the truth about the tree of life.

    What does this mean?

    Will no one restore the Passover truth to us?
    Heb. 9:28 『so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』

    The purpose of Christ coming a second time is for our salvation. To bring us salvation the Passover is absolutely needed. Whoever establishes the Passover truth must be second coming Christ. The One who restored the Passover truth is Christ Ahnsahnghong.

    Therefore, Ahnsahnghong is Christ who came in this age according to all the prophecies of the Bible. He restored the truth of the Passover, the tree of life, and saved us from our sin and death.

    Again, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ

    Ahnsahnghong came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Christ Ahnsahnghong is God Almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life.

  275. How can you recognize who Second Coming Christ is? In Church of God we believe that Christ Ahnsahnghong is Second Coming Christ. But how can we be sure that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the name of the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, Second Coming Christ has to come and fulfill the prophecy of King David.

    Hosea 3:5 “Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord and David their king. They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings in the last days.”

    Christ Ahnsahnghong testified, that according to the Bible in order for us to receive blessings we have to seek the Lord and King David in the last days. But Hosea existed in 721BC when he gave this prophecy, however, King David existed around 1000 BC, basically 300 years apart. So, at the time that Hosea spoke, King David was already death, so he was not talking about getting blessings from a death body, but from the prophetical King David that is to come in the LAST DAYS.

    Luke 1:31 “You will be with a child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great……The Lord will give him the throne of his father David….”

    Why among so many kings, God has to choose King David? This is because there most be some prophetical points that Christ and King David have in relationship. According to the book of Isaiah he testified that Jehovah God is going to born in the future as a child and that He is going to receive the throne of King David. Who fulfilled this prophecy? Jesus, did 2000 yrs ago.

    But in order to understand the whole prophecy you need to understand about the life of King David first and his throne.

    2 Samuel 5:4 “David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years.”

    If Jesus is the true prophetical King David, He has to fulfill this prophecy, too.

    Luke 3:21-23 “When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too…..Now Jesus was thirty years old when he began his ministry.”

    Luke 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord in on me, because he has anointed me to preach the good news….”

    Through this Christ Ahnsahnghong allowed us to understand that Jesus began His kingship at 30. But now He also should reign for 40 years.

    Wait a minute!! Jesus only preached for 3 years and He died at the age of 33. So, Jesus only fulfilled 3 years and not 40, that means that there are 37 years remaining to be true prophetical King David. This is not a mistake, God will never leave any prophecy incomplete. There most be another austanding prophecy that we need to understand. Christ Ahnsahnghong showed God’s plan through the following verse:

    Hebrews 9:28 “So, Christ was sacrifice once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”

    This is an amazing prophecy, this is our salvation. So, when Second Coming Christ comes, in order for Him to be the true prophetical King David, He needs to be baptized at the age 30 and preach for the remaining 37 years.

    WHO FULFILLED THIS PROPHECY?

    Christ Ahnsahnghong did it! Christ Ahnsahnghong started preaching in 1948 at the age of 30. However, in order to be 100% sure that Christ Ahnsahnghong is prophetical King David, He must have a sign. What is the sign?

    Isaiah 55:3 ” …I will make an everlasting covenant with you my faithfull love promised to David.”

    What is the everlasting covenant promised to David?

    Hebrews 13:20 “May the God of peace, who brought the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus.”

    The everlasting covenant is the same as the eternal covenant. If you look at the meaning of (everlasting and eternal) you can easily find that they have the same meaning. So, we need to know now what is the blood of the eternal covenant.

    Matthew 26:28 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”

    Luke 22:20 “This cup(the wine of the Passover) is the new covenant in my blood.”

    So, in the last days prophetical King David, Second Coming Christ will preach Passover, starting at the age of 30, for the remaining 37 years.

    Who fulfilled this prophecy?

    According to the Fig Tree Lesson, Christ Ahnsahnghong came in 1948 at the age of 30 years and starting preaching about the Passover looking for His lost children. Christ Ahnsahnghong was born in South Korea in 1918. In 1981 in a religious magazine Christ Ahnsahnghong prophesied about King David’s prophecy and predicted His own death.

    But who can only predict about his own death? Only God, so, if Christ Ahnsahnghong predicted about His own death, who is Christ Ahnsahnghong? Christ Ahnsahnghong is God. Why does Christ Ahnsahnghong has to predict His own death? Because, of the following prophecy.

    1 King 2:10 “Then David rested with his Fathers and was buried of the City of David. He reigned forty years…..”

    Throughout his we can understand that Christ Ahnsahnghong truly fulfilled prophetical King David. Who can say that He can coincide His birth with the rise of the nation by starting to preach at the age of 30. Then 4 years before, in 1981, He prophesied about His own death after 37 years. Only Christ Ahnsahnghong can, because Christ Ahnsahnghong is Almighty God.

  276. Question about ‘MOTHER’
    Please tell me more about this ‘Mother’, for example: her name, how did she get involved, does she have families, how old is she.
    What is her relationship with ahnsahnghong?

    Thank you brother brofromzion.

  277. “Wait a minute!! Jesus only preached for 3 years and He died at the age of 33.”

    The bible doesnt say how old Jesus was. And just because Ahnsahnghong preached for a certain number of years, doesnt make him God. Thats stupid. And besides, your cult can fake how long he preached for. I’m sure he preached long before he turned 30.

    All religion is a myth anyway. In a million years, ahnsahnghong, zeus, allah, Jesus, vishnu, Thor, Zeus, Krishna will all be forgotten.

  278. To.Timothy 3:16
    You don’t know the prophecy of the King David.
    Yes, Jesus worked for three years.
    And he was on the throne of King David as the prophecy.
    And then What about 37 years of his ministry?
    He has to fulfill this so must appear a second time like first time.
    How an ignorant man or woman.

  279. Jamie, Donnie, Dark Angel,Jonnah

    Please read the passage of brofromzion

    Read this with open mind without your prejudice.

    Even you don’t want to realize this, but this is truth.
    Look at the worldwide.
    More and more people visit us and become our brother and sister.
    Are you envy?

    Even you blame and abuse, It is useless behavior.
    Don’t waste your time anymore.

  280. Hi everyone. I started reading the comments on this forum and seems like World Mission Society Church of God is the true church. I only attended couple of times so I don’t really know everything they teach. I’m currently away from it and just out here away from the church, probably for at least a year. Secret of forgiveness of sins is pretty clear that we all came from Heaven before. They also teach me about Sabbath, Baptism, Veil for women, Trinity and some other studies. First, I wasn’t sure because I have never heard of Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother. I tried comparing it to the other churches and it’s really clear that Church of God is the true church that keeps all God’s commandments. But returnedangel, the things not clear to me right now is that the Tribulation already happened? I’m talking about the 666, the anti-christ. Also, they said that I have to get the Daniel’s prophecy to understand it. Can you post it here? Thanks.

  281. All religion is fake buddy. Learn your history, read some facts, soak up some knowledge.

    It’s just jazzy superstition believed by ignorant people.

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-thinkingchristians.htm

    The higher the IQ, the less religious someone is. The more ignorant you are, the more likely you believe in superstition.

    Name me any serious scientist or thinker who believes in Ahnsahgnhong or Jesus? Thats old news buddy. Wake up and smell the 21st century. We now know enough about the Bible, history and religion to debunk this crap.

    All your prophecies are wrong, childish and superficial. You wont wake up, because like 99 percent of the world, you’re a moron who believes in childish things.

  282. hi brofromzion…

    nice preaching…
    ya.. I have heard all the things that you posted above.. really make sense… but still… “Hanging”…

    according to you brofromzion what and whose sin that Lord Jesus forgiven when He was crucified??
    sin commited in heaven or commited in earth or what??

    mmm… if you have time… please cover all my old questions above…

    thanks

    nijuroku

  283. whoa Timothy3:16

    just few word for u..

    U are Very Interesting

    GodBless~
    nijuroku

  284. The Church of God’s teachings really aren’t very theologically sound. The great tribulation will only happen AFTER the 2nd coming of Christ, and when that happens all believers will be seized up into the sky to ascend to heaven. Only after that will those who are left on the earth experience the great tribulation. It’s in Revelations, you can read it yourself.

    Honestly, that’s why Ang Sahn Hong cannot be the real Jesus. What are his followers still doing on earth if he is really Jesus 2nd coming? They should have already been caught up to heaven and we should be suffering BIG TIME. Are we suffering now? Definitely not as much as it’s supposed to be as written in revelation.

    Poland, you really should reconsider your beliefs. This church teaches rules of man as the commandments of God (yes I throw the same argument back at you, CoG members). Did not the early church command the believers that they only needed to observe a few things in the book of Acts 15:20 rather than the things of Moses Law? Why then do you hold on to the things that were a shadow of the things that have come into fullness with Christ’s coming?

    Ang Sahn Hong really did not understand theology, nor the true significance and meaning of the festivals, rituals and rites that he spoke of as mandatory. Once you gain a perspective of what the Mosaic Law foreshadows, you’ll definitely know that CoG’s teachings are legalism and not life-bringing.

    Peace to you Poland. Do reconsider and be willing to critically examine whatever faith you are embracing.

  285. Jamie,

    Based on bozofromzion’s desire to preach their skewed brainwashy doctrine while ignoring to directly answer the questions that we (non-cog buying people) would like. (I.e. concise, honest, and direct answers) I totally support your decision to filter the misleading garbage that’s trying to be pushed down our throats.

    Additionally, Coggers, we don’t want to hear from you that we aren’t seeking the truth (because your truth is what we understand as brainwashed misleading interpretation), that your being persecuted simply because your interpretain doesn’t support a logical analysis and we are pointing out the discrepancies, and we don’t want to hear manipulative language such as, “If you understand the bible”, “If you follow Gods commandments”, “clearly it means”…

    If there are any cog members that can give a quick one/ two sentence answer to questions that are being asked, I bet Jaime would be willing to leave your posts. Can you talk to us with your own brain and not resort to using the prefabricated studies that you,ve been conditioned to throwup?

  286. Brofromzion,

    I’ve read what Ahnsahnghong wrote about the Trinity and H20. I’ve read most of his books. Your God believes in concepts.

    That’s all that I have to say, I’m done posting here.

    Later.

  287. Bozofromzion, lets us know when the ahnsahnghang circus comes to town so we can ridicule all the clowns that are making no sense. Jaime, your posts are not complete unless you state:

    CoG = FAIL

    love it!

  288. God bless you all. COGinator, seems to me that you like watching circus. Well just to let you know that I’m not interested. I’d rather seek the truth of God instead. So, according to you, COGinator, you want me to answer on my own opinion about the Bible, meaning you want me to interpret it? I can’t. It’s not mine. It’s the Word of God.

    John 7:16-18 [Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.]

    1 Corinthians 2:11-16 [For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.]

    2 Peter 1:20-21 [Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.]

    Is it clear to you COGinator? Go ahead, make your own interpretation of the Bible. Oh, since you don’t wanna hear the truth it’s okay. I won’t preach to you anymore. God bless you.

  289. The words of God are absolute, and there can not be any exceptions to the absoluteness. If you take exceptions to God’s word, it is because you do not regard His words as absolute. When you carry them out absolutely, the absolute results will follow. God said, “Do not add and subtract” (Deut. 4:2), “Do not add and take away” (Rev. 22:18). And God gave a warning: If anyone adds anything to His words, He will add to him the plagues described in the Bible, and if anyone takes away from them, He will take away from him his share in the tree of life (eternal life). These words show well how absolute the word of God is and how authentic result it accompanies.

    We can see how absolute God’s word is and what blessing it brings from Abraham’s case. God granted Isaac as an heir to Abraham who was 100 years old. To him, Isaac was absolute being and the most precious treasure among all his possessions. God, however, commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as an offering whom he cherished and loved as much as his life, in order to test whether or not he loved God absolutely. Then Abraham made up his mind to obey God’s command as more absolute than his possession. Those who stuck only to common sense might grumble against God and His disposal, saying “God! Why did You give me Isaac? Have I ever asked for a son? You gave me a son unilaterally, but now You intend to take him away from me. Why do You give me an agony shattering a ray of hope of old man? Abraham could have grumbled against God like that. But he obeyed God’s will, with the faith that life, death, fortune, and misfortune of men depend upon God. So he determined to sacrifice Isaac as an offering. When he was about to kill Isaac, he heard the merciful voice of God, “Do not lay a hand on the boy.” Such faithful obedience won him the praise of the people, that he was called “the father of faith”.

    Through the works of Noah, we can also find out what the result of the absolute faith is. In the days that not a drop of rain fell, God commanded Noah to make an ark (wooden ship) on the top of the mountain. In fact, it was beyond common sense; as for scale, the ark was to be 137 meters long, 23 meters wide, 14 meters high, and it was almost impossible to build such a tremendous ship with the techniques of those days. Of course, it can be construct easily with modern techniques including timbers and various kinds of building materials. However, it must have been difficult to build the ark with those day’s technique, because it required high techniques and expenses with which today’s shuttle can be made. Even under those circumstances, Noah never complained of God and began to construct the ark, believing that God would help him. It is estimated that it took as long as 40 years at least or even 100 years to make the ark. From this, we can guess it took a lot of perseverance for Noah to do the work. As the result of obeying the absolute words of God without adding or subtracting, only Noah and his family were saved when all the people were destroyed by the flood. Thus, the result of regarding the words of God as absolute was great blessing and joy.

    Here is another case; Naaman, commander of the army of the king of Aram, was cured of his serious disease by obeying the word of God absolutely. When Naaman was suffering from mortal disease, leprosy, he visited Elisha who lived in the land of Israel, through the recommendation of Hebraic maidservant whom he kept in his house. Then Elisha didn’t allow Naaman to see himself, but only sent a messenger to command him to wash himself seven times seven times in the Jordan. Naaman would go away in angry, counting impolitely Elisha’s treatment for the commander of the army of a nation. For he expected that Elisha would come out to him and lay his hands on himself and cure of his disease. But the prescription for his disease was far from his thought, and he could not believe that he would be healed by such a recipe. But Naaman changed his mind and washed himself in the Jordan with the mind of obedience, and he was cured of his skin like that of little child (2 Kings 5:1-27). If general Naaman had not obeyed absolutely the word of God spoken through Elisha, he would have finished his miserable life as a leper.

    Even when the Israelites were about to cross the Jordan in order to possess the land of Canaan after forty years in the desert, the absolute obedience was required. In the rainy season that the river overflew all it’s banks, God commanded the Israelites to go ahead of them. In common knowledge, ferries or rafts at least would be required to cross a river. But Joshua believed absolutely that the words of God would bring forth a gracious result. Indeed, as soon as the Israelites dipped their feet into the Jordan, believing the words of God absolutely, so much water was pushed out, that they could cross over the Jordan as on dry land.

    When the Israelites arrived in the land of Canaan, the fortress of Jericho stood dreadfully before them. Without conquering Jericho the firm fortress, they couldn’t enter Canaan. Under such circumstance, they were ordered to march around the Jericho. It would be an ordinary way of conquering the fortress to build siege ramps and make ladders, arrows, spears, shields and battering rams for breading the gate and to plan a strategy. However, God told them an unreasonable and strange operation beyond common sense, and those who believed God with common sense couldn’t carry it out.

    On the first day, they marched around the city once, but nothing happened. And on the second day, they marched around the city in the same manner, but it didn’t still move at all. On the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day, they did so. Those who didn’t have absolute faith must have been anxious; they might have fallen into men’s common sense, “We would rather sharpen our swords or make one more spear or make battering rams to break the gate”. On the seventh day that they marched around the city seven times, they might have despaired deeply, doubting, “Will it collapse or not”? or “We may collapse from exhaustion”. But what result did God give the Israelites who obeyed absolutely His words? When they shouted with a great shout, the wall collapse. By conquering the city of Jericho, they prepared the foundation for entering the promised land of Canaan..

    But after Israelites came out of Egypt, they didn’t keep such absolute faith until the end. As a result, six hundred thousand men were killed miserably in the desert. As it is written:

    Hebrews 3:17-19 [And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.]

    We come to a conclusion that no one can follow the commands of God without absolute obedience. Even what is beyond common sense will be settled naturally if we only carry it out with absolute obedience toward God. Such an absolute obedience is also required to keep the commands of God. Some persist in their arrogant opinions: “It doesn’t matter whether we worship on Sunday or Saturday” or “If we appoint 25th of December as the holy birthday of Jesus Christ and celebrate it, though we don’t celebrate Passover, God will be pleased with it”, or “We will be saved, though we don’t keep the Passover, for we have Communion every month or every week”. The reason they say such nonsense is that they don’t regard the words of God as absolute, but degrade them lower than the insistence of men. Those who believe God with their own thoughts will never be saved.

    Sometimes, those who obey the words of God absolutely seem to be abnormal to the eyes of those who do not regard them as absolute: Naaman who washed himself even seven times in the dirty water of the Jordan, not in the clear water, the Israelites who marched around the city Jericho instead of attacking it, Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his precious son as an offering, Noah who made the ark on top of the mountains, sweating profusely, on the clear days. All of them might seem to be abnormal and crazy to the eyes of the people. But if we realize that God asks us to do something only for our own sake, we will obey God’s words absolutely without persisting our own thought, by which we can become perfect. When God demands us absolute obedience, it is not to oppress us dictatorially, but to give benefits to us who cannot foresee the future.

    These days, it is regarded as very reasonable and natural that men or animals or images of nature move as reality on television. But only 100 years ago, people couldn’t even imagine such a thing at all; if anyone said that there would be television, he must have been treated as a mad man.

    Men can not know the things to come 100 years or later or 10 years or one year later. Really they are ignorant, and they can’t foresee what will happen even after a second. To them, what will God teach and what will He explain?

    John 3:12 Jesus said to them [“I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”] Like Jesus’ word, men cannot fathom God’s great will.

    But God always prepares righteous and beneficial results, and allows them only to those who believe and follow Him. Nevertheless, most people do not believe the fact completely, that they sometimes undergo sufferings and sometimes wander about and fall into death after all. Now, we should keep in mind that the way to proceed to the kingdom of heaven is only to obey the commands of God absolutely and to believe that we are to receive His absolute blessing after absolute obedience. God gave us absolute commands to give us His absolute love. God bless you all.

  290. “God bless you all. COGinator, seems to me that you like watching circus. Well just to let you know that I’m not interested. I’d rather seek the truth of God instead. So, according to you, COGinator, you want me to answer on my own opinion about the Bible, meaning you want me to interpret it? I can’t. It’s not mine. It’s the Word of God.”

    BOZOfromZion….You can’t? Sure you can, is your self esteem so low that you feel you have to listen how others mis-interpret the bible and that has to be your interpretation?? Honestly, I bet you that the whole Ahnshanghong/MJ thing was way in left field when you first heard it, but you wanted to be accpeted by the nice people of the CoG so you swalled the crud whole.

    Don’t think that we who are so against the BS that the CoG teaches hasn’t gone through it with a fine tooth comb. However, we relied on our own mind and didn’t fall for the manipulation of accepting false assumptions. Once you bought into the C.A.S.H falseness you were toast. Really think about…He’s dead. You could go to Korea and dig up his body (that would be sick, but you could do it). You can’t do that with Jesus. So…case and point!

    CoG = FAIL.

    Jamie should trim your posts for brevity!!

    Oh and God bless you too, but if your God is the Hearing-aided Witch then I don’t accpet your blessing.

  291. Brilliant suggestion COGinator. I shall summarize his nonsense.

    This is another FAIL post. He tries to make a case that if we were people living 2000 years ago, we would have likely denied Jesus was the Christ. He says things like Jesus was only a carpenter, etc, and quotes verses to show how normal Jesus seemed to be.

    Yet this is a big FAIL because he never once highlights why we would very likely believe in Jesus. Jesus performed so many wondrous miracles and spoke such gracious words that many people believed in Him. It says in the bible that the multitudes followed him. Does multitude mean one or two? Obviously not. The ones who rejected Him were mainly the priests; Pharisees, Sadducees.

    This person obviously never read the bible for himself but simply regurgitates whatever CoG indoctrinates him with.

    CoG = FAIL

  292. This is a FAIL post. He’s basically trying to say that the Passover feast is the new covenant. How silly of him to try and reduce the wonderful new covenant to just a feast. Apparently, he never read the whole bible himself or he’d know that the new covenant refers to Jesus Christ’s blood being the way to right standing with God, Jesus Christ dwelling in us, the Holy Spirit being given to us, and the laws of God written in our hearts.

    How cheap he made the new covenant! To reduce it to merely a feast!

    That is why I say that the spirit of Anti-Christ is alive in the CoG. Time and time again they deny the works of Jesus and the sacrifice on the cross while claiming to be the true way.

    CoG = FAIL

  293. God bless you all. Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. You really hate the truth of the Bible. You know what why should I even bother to preach the truth of Word of God here on your blog. You like to pick on comments that only chastize World Mission Society Church of God but when someone who makes an atheist comment like Timothy3:16 who said:

    “All religion is fake buddy. Learn your history, read some facts, soak up some knowledge.

    It’s just jazzy superstition believed by ignorant people.

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-thinkingchristians.htm

    The higher the IQ, the less religious someone is. The more ignorant you are, the more likely you believe in superstition.

    Name me any serious scientist or thinker who believes in Ahnsahgnhong or Jesus? Thats old news buddy. Wake up and smell the 21st century. We now know enough about the Bible, history and religion to debunk this crap.

    All your prophecies are wrong, childish and superficial. You wont wake up, because like 99 percent of the world, you’re a moron who believes in childish things.”

    So what’s up aren’t you gonna stand up for Jesus and prove through the Scripture that He is the God the Son or are you just gonna let Timothy3:16 mock Jesus Christ on your blog? You are unbelievable Jamie. You hate Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother and Their followers like me, Ryan and others so much yet you don’t say anything to atheist people that mocks Jesus. Jamie, how can you say your a Christian when you don’t even preach the Word of God? Oh yeah I forgot. You believe your gonna be saved anyway because you believe in Jesus and there’s no need for you to preach to unbelievers. Well don’t worry I will stop preaching the Word of God on your blog if that’s what you want since you don’t keep the original comments I put here. Anyway, I respect your faith and the faith of others who have different interpretation of the Bible like Jehovah Witness, Seventh Day Adventist and others. God bless you Jamie.

  294. Jamie…

    That is much better!! Mucho Gracias!!

  295. For Timothy3:16 —

    Here are some scientists who were also Christian
    Galileo Galilei; Louis Pasteur; Antoine Laurent Lavoisier; Johannes Kepler; Nicolaus Copernicus;J ames Clerk Maxwell; Werner Heisenberg, and even Charles Darwin…just to name a few.

    Albert Einstien believed in the old testament and rumor has it before he died he accpeted Christ, but I haven’t found and references to that.

  296. Haha brofromzion are you finally getting discouraged and tired? How can you let that happen to you!?! I thought you liked to quote Revelation when talking about the new names? Aren’t you afraid you won’t get a new name on the white stone if you don’t endure the persecution I am putting on you?

    ROFL.

    In fact, why not you continue posting your doctrines and arguments? They will be ammunition and part of what I will cover in the new site I am planning to create. You CoG members have really provoked my spirit, and I am going to make a site that systematically destroys every teaching that the CoG has and expose them as untruths, misinterpretations and manipulations through use of the bible, historical writings about the church and contemporary history.

    Stay tuned for it, and keep on posting your comments about CoG’s FAIL teachings! I need as much initial ammunition as I can get so that I can really smash them down later on :)

    Hohohoh. Keep up your good work brofromzion!

    CoG members = Can’t even take some persecution, how are they going to get a new name? LOL
    CoG = FAIL

  297. God bless you Jamie. So your telling me that I’m getting discourage because I won’t post the truth about the Bible? Very funny! Your the one who’s scared of the true teachings of God’s word that I post here because you like deleting the truth. By the way, I have been persecuted before many times to some of my friends and strangers because I preach the teachings of Church of God because they say that Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are cults. But I think your the one, Jamie, who’s scared to preach the Bible to unbelievers because you can’t walk in the path that Jesus and the Apostles walked. Good thing I am not in Singapore because I would love to preach to you the Word of God in person and you preach me what your church preach. Another thing, for you Jamie and all others who chastize the Holy Spirit, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother, hear what the Bible testifies about you guys:

    Matthew 12:30-32 [“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.]

  298. There are about 850 denominations on this earth. Nowadays, so many churches proclaim to have the true gospel. Many say the gospel is music, or just the word of God, but they don’t understand what is the true gospel Jesus Christ came to preach 2000 years ago. We have to understand through the Bible because there cant be 850 different gospels.

    Ephesians 3:6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.

    Then only through the gospel we can be heirs of God, members of one body and sharers in the promise. Also, Paul mentioned that he was a servant of this gospel. Then what is this gospel?

    Romans 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

    As stated above, his ministry was to proclaim the gospel. However the following verse says he was a minister of a new covenant!..

    2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    Then what does this mean? Paul had two ministries? Absolutely not. The gospel is the new covenant. then what is the new covenant?

    Luke 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.

    Luke 22:19-And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

    Then, clearly we can see that the new covenant is the Passover feast. Then, what is the gospel? it is the Passover! If we do not keep the Passover, we can not say we have the true gospel in our church. This is why the World Mission Society Church of God keeps the Passover faithfully. If we keep another gospel (passover), we will sin against God.

    Galatians 1:6-I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel (passover)— which is really no gospel(passover) at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel (passover) of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel(passover) other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel (passover) other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

    We must keep the Passover and preach the Passover. Communion and Eucharist is a different gospel from the one the Apostles preached. They never kept communion or sacrament or Eucharist. They kept the true gospel- Passover.

    1 Corinthians 5:7-Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

    Which festival did Apostle Paul keep and teach to keep? The Passover Festival!
    If we want to be heirs of God, sharers in the promise and one body in christ, we must keep the Passover. Ahnsahnghong Christ came as prophesied and taught us the true Gospel of Christ. Second Coming Christ came and taught us all the mysteries hidden for ages and generations.

  299. Mathew 27:21-26- Crucify him!….They shouted all the louder. Crucify him! Let his blood be on us and on our children!

    Imagine yourselves 2000 years ago! Would you have believed a man in about his thirty’s to be God Almighty in the flesh!? A man who claimed to be your God, Jehovah, in the flesh but with a different name, Jesus? A man who was a mere carpenter or even the one that fixed your door?

    Mark 6:3 (please click link) A man whose appearance was like that of a root out of a dry ground in whose men hid his face from? Isaiah 53:1

    John 10:30-33- We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy because you a mere man claim to be God.

    John 6:42- they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”Put yourself in that position! All you had was the Old Testament where the name Jesus was nowhere to be found and where you can only trust in prophecies in order to seek your messiah. Would you have believed? Would you have devoted to him? Would you have confessed the name of the savior in that age, Jesus? Would you have walked with him without fear of being persecuted and even put to death? Would you have preached in his name? Acts 5:40, Mathew 10:21
    Think about it seriously.. Not even Peter, the most faithful out of the twelve was 100% faithful for he even denied him three times for fear of being punished. Mathew 26:69

    For what I can see, many people in this age would have stoned him, lashed him, beat him, punch him, spit on him, and even crucified him. Why? For only judging by mere appearances and not looking into the prophecies that testified to him in the Old Testament. Why? For being stuck to the name of Jehovah without realizing God came with a new name, Jesus. Why? For wanting your God to come the way it fit your concept instead of submitting to God’s way. Isaiah 55:8

    Romans 15:4- “ For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us…”Now it is so easy to proclaim the name of Jesus Christ. But how about when you hear the new name of Jesus, Christ Ahnsahnghong? Nowadays, so many people ridicule and blaspheme the name of Christ Ahnsahnghong. But, then, would you want to be in the same position as the people who stoned Jesus Christ two thousand years ago? Are you not the one screaming- “Crucify him, Crucify him!? Are you not the one screaming… “you a mere man claim to be God!” or the one questioning how can you, Ahn Sahng Hong- a Korean man, say you are the Messiah? John 5:45-50

    John 15:18 … “They will treat you this way because of my name for they do not know the One who sent me”

    I know there are so many false Christ nowadays proclaiming they are the Christ! But where is their proof? They have not fulfilled any Bible prophecy! They only say they are the christ and people just follow? Be wise for your salvation and follow the prophecies in the bible!Christ Ahnsahnghong is the true Second Coming Christ and we can prove it through all prophecies Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled! Please consider what happened before and just try to understand the Savior in this Holy Spirit Age through Bible. John 5:39 Hosea 6:3

    In Conclusion, judge for yourselves through the bible and not with your fixed concept that Christ Ahn Sahng Hong is the true God in this age! through the Bible you will see one by one the prophecies Jesus Christ had to fulfill when he came a second time with the New Name of Christ Ahnsahnghong.

  300. Hey BozoFromZion,

    Are you a 13 year old little school girl? (Sorry for all you 13yr school girls out there reading this.) you stated:

    I have been persecuted before many times to some of my friends and strangers because I preach the teachings of Church of God because they say that Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are cults.

    Did they throw stones at you? Did you get any scars or stitches? Do you have brain damage (beyond the good scrubbing the CoG gave ya)? Because unless you’re really a wimpy sissy, I don’t think you’ve been persecuted!!

    Just because we find soooo many inconsistancies in your twisted truth…and just because we point out that it doesn’t match with the teachings of the bible as been reasearched and discussed for thousands of years…and just because we point it out to you…you feel persecuted. Ok, I’ll validate your feelings if you’ll conceede, your persecution has in no way compared with the persecution that Jesus Christ underwent.

    **Infact, I move that Jamie block all your future posts until you either conceede or reject my request.

    Your reality is your truth…shame it doesn’t match the rest of the Kingdoms reality.

    BozoFromZion’s truth = FAIL

    Jaimie…can’t wait to see your new site!!!!! Let me know if I can help in anyway!!

  301. Hi brother brofromzion,

    I have read all your posts. I understand your perspective about elohim, god the mother god the father heavenly family, she is going to be with us till the end of time (is that right?) etc.. I still want to know more about this person Mother. You’ve never even mentioned her name. Please, tell me everything about Mother’s life. How did she get involved in this. Does she have family/children,husband etc. How old is she now?

    Thank you so much brother brofromzion for being so patient with me. I really appreciate it.

  302. COGInator, I’ll probably work on it after next week when finals have passed.

    Hey, I don’t mind any help :) If you come across places which list out the various teachings of the CoG and their explanations, let me know so that I can have stuff to destroy.

    Brofromzion, I think everyone knows by now that you’ve never thought about your own faith critically, and that you simply copy and paste pre-arranged ‘arguments’ (more like spam mails) onto blogs that don’t agree with CoG’s teachings in the hopes of spamming them into submission.

    BTW, I’m really enjoying persecuting you and your cult. Wait until I get that site up! You’ll be persecuted many times more than this!

    CoG = FAIL

  303. Donnie he has no answers about Mother Jerusalem or Ahnsahnhong’s hisotry All you will get is their stereotyped, lengthy post sent from their higher ups and just how Jamie mentioned easy to do thing “cut and paste” Which makes no sense. After Mother’s death they will worship Joo Cheol. Must have been already working secretly on that part of doctrine.
    COGinator, I liked the Circus in town, very colorful. Imagining Mother doing the balancing act and dudes swinging on high ropes LOL

  304. returnedangel, you haven´t answered my question. I´m going to repeat it so you don´t have to scroll up looking for it. My question is, the great tribulation that was talked about in the Bible, did it already happened yet? I try reading the book of Daniel and it talks about Daniel´s vision of the Nebuchazzar´s dream about the 4 kingdoms that will rise on Earth. Is it connected to the beast that is written in Revelation, about the anti-christ name can be calculated and it suppose to be 666? Anyone, whether from Church of God or not, please answer. Well I know that Church of God can explain the Bible clearly but I´d also like the point of view of others. Thanks everyone.

  305. God bless you Jamie. Well then Jamie, just before you create a site to destroy the teachings of Church of God, I advise you to reconsider.

    Acts 5:38-39 [Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”]

    So you think you can prove through the Bible that Church of God is a false prophet? Because Church of God follows the Holy Spirit, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother? Because we keep the Passover of the new covenant? Sabbath? ALL Feast of God on it’s appointed times? Because our women wears veil? It is clearly testified in the Bible that the only true church are those who love God because they follow ALL God’s commandments, not just a partial of it.

    John 14:15-21 [“If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. WHOEVER HAS MY COMMANDS AND OBEYS THEM, HE IS THE ONE WHO LOVE ME. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”]

    John 14:23-26 [Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. “All this I have spoken while still with you. BUT THE COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY(JESUS) NAME, WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.]

    Jamie, do you just simply praise God or FOLLOW ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS?

    John 5:41-42 [I do not accept praise from men, but I know you. I know that you do not have the love(commandments) of God in your hearts.]

    Now let’s make it clear about the Spirit. I spoke with couple of Jehovah Witness and they keep insisting the the Spirit is just some kind of energy but they couldn’t prove it through the Bible. The Bible CLEARLY testifies that the Holy Spirit is a personal being and referred to as “HE”.

    Holy Spirit has feelings

    Romans 15:30 [I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and BY THE LOVE OF THE SPIRIT, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me.]

    Holy Spirit grieves

    Ephesians 4:29-30 [Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. AND DO NOT GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, WITH WHOM YOU WERE SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.]

    Holy Spirit speaks

    Revelations 2:7 [HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS TO THE CHURCHES. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.]

    Holy Spirit groans and intercedes

    Romans 8:26-27 [In the same way, the Spirit helps us our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but THE SPIRIT HIMSELF INTERCEDES FOR US WITH GROANS THAT WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because THE SPIRIT INTERCEDES FOR THE SAINTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD’S WILL.]

    Holy Spirit testifies about God

    John 15:26 [When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, HE WILL TESTIFY ABOUT ME.]

    Holy Spirit teaches

    John 14:26 NIV [BUT THE COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY(JESUS) NAME, WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.]

    John 14:26 NASB [But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.]

    John 14:26 THE MESSAGE [The Friend, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send at my request, will make everything plain to you. HE will remind you of all the things I have told you.]

    John 14:26 KJV [But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.]

    Should I put all the versions of the Bible to prove it? It is already clear enough. As a matter of fact, the HOLY SPIRIT HAS A NAME.

    Matthew 28:19 [Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT.]

    If the Holy Spirit was not a man with character, but merely an invisible, active power like an electric wave, or energy how would it be possible for the Holy Spirit to have a NAME and referred to as “HE”? The fact that the Holy Spirit has a name and referred to as “HE” proves that the Holy Spirit is a MAN, WITH CHARACTERS.

    Also the worst thing you can do in your life, Jamie, is to blasphemy the Holy Spirit and that’s even more proof that the HOLY SPIRIT is a PERSONAL BEING, BEING BLASPHEMED.

    Matthew 12:30-32 [“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men , BUT THE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE SPIRIT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.]

    CLEAR ENOUGH? God bless you Jamie.

  306. Ahahahaha you are quite deluded aren’t you? Yes the Holy Spirit is a person, but He is still a Spirit.

    If the Holy Spirit is called a Spirit, how then can He be a human man? How can a human man be like oil, fire, wind, rain, and a dove? He must be a slippery person, have a bad temper, be tempestous, a wet blanket and also like to run away easily. Hahahaha! What an imperfect man! You’ve obviously never met the Holy Spirit before nor felt His touch.

    You really can never make me guilty or convince me because I have a real relationship with the Holy Spirit. Yours is a fake. I’ve felt His touch, heard Him speak, known His guidance and have His witness in my heart. What has yours done for you? Lol.

    Honestly, the only one blaspheming, grieving and insulting the Holy Spirit is CoG. How dare you reduce Him to the form of a mortal man?!? Yet if you were to turn away from those false teachings, the Spirit of Grace would welcome you and lead you to the true face of Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior, who is coming soon. If you persist in being deceived by the devil, then I have nothing to say to you.

    Truly, I pity you. You have nothing, while I have everything, and yet I would give you what I have, but you reject it.

    CoG = FAIL

  307. God bless you COGinator. So what about you, COGinator, have you been persecuted by unbelievers before in God’s name? Did they throw stones at you? Did you get any scars or stitches? Do you have brain damage (beyond the good scrubbing that Satan gave ya)? Because unless you’re really a wimpy sissy, I don’t think you’ve been persecuted!! So what’s that makes you? Because according to you, COGinator, unbelievers must hurt you first before you could say that you really follow Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Do you have to be also crucifed like Jesus to be His followers? Your opinion is very funny because you don’t even understand what you are talking about and it’s because you, COGinator, being ignorant of the truth of the Bible. What do you think your doing to Church of God. Aren’t you persecuting them VERBALLY by HARASSING Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother and their followers VERBALLY? Do I have to put the meaning of the word PERSECUTE from your own dictionary?

    Also, you said that my truth fail? Then you just admitted that the Bible fail because I follow God’s teaching in the Bible. It’s not my truth, it’s God’s truth that I follow according to His words, the Bible. COGinator, next time, can you make a righteous judgement according to the Bible instead of making your own opinion, your fixed idea of persecuting Church of God.

    COGinator admitted the Bible fail = COGinator enjoyed Satan’s good scrubbing so he would harass God’s people.

    Church of God follows ALL God’s commandments, wills, feast, customs and laws according to the Bible = Church of God LOVES GOD.

  308. God bless you Jamie. If you want me to believe you, then prove it through the Bible. It is the basis for ALL God’s truth. God bless you Jamie.

  309. Everything you want to know is written in the Bible!!
    Why do you want to know through the Men’s oppinion??
    please find out the truth through the Bible.
    Even though Sunday service and Cross and Christ mas and so on…is not written in the Bible but traditions of Church!! But many people still follow as God’s commandments. But when we talk about the Truth which is written in the Bible(God’s Word) they denied it! Why?? Church’s Traditions are more important than God’s Commandments???

  310. Is sunday service cross cristmas so on… written in the Bible?? Whrer???

  311. YOU THINIK WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK LIKE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE THERE ARE TO KINDS OF PEOPLE THOSE WHO BELONG TO GOD AN THOSE WHO DONT SO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE JUDGEING MOTHER AN SAYING WERE IN A CULT ILL BE LAUGHING WEN YALL R BURNING IN HELL
    GOD BLESS YOU

  312. Hi Sarah,

    So you will be laughing in heaven at people burned in hell? What kind of heaven is that?
    What is the difference between you and them? both sides say they are right, the other is wrong, my god is greater than your god.
    If the main goal of religion is just to go to ‘heaven’, be ‘saved’, ‘salvation ‘ by keeping passover, believe in the second coming jesus ahnsahnghong.. then you are really wasting you and your loved ones life.
    Life is really not a problem to be solved, it is not a ‘shadow’, earth is not ‘jail’, life is a reality to be experienced and it is beautiful and perfect as it is.

  313. Hi The Truth,

    Do you follow god’s commandements as per christian bible ? Do you perform human sacrifice? circumcision? do you stone people to death if they dont keep sabath? do you eat flesh and drink blood? do you have slave at home? do you burn the non-believers? is genocide ok? the list go on..
    What we need is to focus on morality and humanity not on rituals and festivals.

  314. After reading all the posts and sources from the oficial website, in my opinion, world mission church of god main goal is only ‘recruitment’ and ‘fund raising’. It is like a sophisticated MLM (multi level marketing).

  315. God bless you justin. We live as pilgrims on earth, longing for the heavenly home. Being clothed in flesh in this visible and finite world, our hearts become easily absorbed in outward things, so that we cannot think of the spiritual world. When we indulge in physical things, we can not understand God’s providence; we can’t grow in faith, and even the faith we have will gradually cool down. Our forefathers in faith tell us that the invisible world exists and it is the eternal world.

    2 Corinthians 4:18 [So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.]

    John 3:12 Jesus said to them [“I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”]

    Like Jesus’ word, men cannot fathom God’s great will. Most people believe the things that occur in the visible world, but they can hardly believe the invisible world. There are not many who live in the hope for heaven, because it is the spiritual and invisible world. Then if we are here on Earth and this is only temporary, why are we here anyway? Let’s look at the Bible and see what God did to King of Tyre.

    Ezekiel 28:12-17 [“Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: ” ‘You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and YOU SINNED. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. SO I THREW YOU TO THE EARTH; I made a spectacle of you before kings.]

    King of Tyre, a guardian cherub, was thrown to the Earth by God because he sinned? Now it’s clear that all of us are here on Earth because of sin. Now what is the punishment of sin:

    Romans 6:23 [For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.]

    Romans 5:12 [Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.]

    Death is the punishment of sin and we all sinned since we are all on Earth, it also says that God’s gift is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord, because He came to save what was lost:

    Luke 19:10 [For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.]

    Ephesians 1:7 [In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace.]

    Now through Jesus blood, our sins can be forgiven. Did Jesus gave us a way to receive it?

    Luke 22:7-8 [THEN CAME THE DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD ON WHICH THE PASSOVER LAMB HAD TO BE SACRIFICE. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the PASSOVER.”]

    Luke 22:19-20 [And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.]

    John 6:53 [Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, UNLESS YOUR EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD HAS ETERNAL LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.]

    However, the Passover was abolished at the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. At that time, the Passover completely disappeared from the world. Who on earth can have eternal life as the truth of life was abolished? Therefore, Jesus said that He would come a second time to restore the Passover.

    Hebrews 9:28 [so CHRIST was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and HE WILL APPEAR A SECOND TIME, NOT TO BEAR SIN, BUT TO BRING SALVATION to those who are waiting for him.]

    Ahnsahnghong restored the Passover of the new covenant that had been abolished by Satan. Then, who do you think Ahnsahnghong is?

    Isaiah 25:6-9 [On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, A BANQUET OF AGED WINE-THE BEST OF MEATS AND THE FINEST OF WINES. On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; HE WILL SWALLOW UP DEATH FOREVER. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken. In that day they will say, “SURELY THIS IS OUR GOD; we trusted in him, and HE SAVED US. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”]

    Clearly, Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, who brought back Passover of the new covenant just as Jesus promised eternal life through His body and blood. So if the visible world is temporary, when it will end? Shall we look at the Bible.

    Revelations 7:1-3 [After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. THEN I SAW ANOTHER ANGEL COMING UP FROM THE EAST, HAVING THE SEAL OF THE LIVING GOD. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “DO NOT HARM THE LAND OR THE SEA OR THE TREES UNTIL WE PUT A SEAL ON THE FOREHEADS OF THE SERVANTS OF OUR GOD.”]

    God bless you justin.

  316. Hi Brofromzion!. Welcome back!.
    Please answer my questions about Mother Jerusalem.
    What is her name, how old is she, does she have families and how did she get inolved in this religion.
    Thank you so much.. still.. awaiting for your response.

  317. God bless you Sarah. Please humble yourself. Let’s keep preaching the truth to those who are lost and seeking God’s truth and God will be happy just as He testified in the Bible through some of His Parables in the Bible.

    Parable of the Lost Sheep

    Luke 15:1-7 [Now the tax collectors and “sinners” were all gathering around to hear him. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.]

    Parable of the Lost Coin

    Luke 15:8-10 [“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”]

    Parable of the Lost Son

    Luke 15:11-32 [Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.
    “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.’ So he got up and went to his father. “But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him. “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate. “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’ “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’ ” ‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ “]

    God bless you Sarah.

  318. Bozofromzoion said “…because I follow God’s teaching in the Bible.”

    Let me correct you, if you wouldn’t mind…and I really want you to think abou this.

    You don’t follow all God’s teaching in the Bible. You follow all the “Cult’s” Teaching in the bible. You follow all thier teaching USING the bible. Not what the bible is teaching. There is a differnence…And if you weren’t brainwashed you would see it.

    Try this exercise. Make up some leagalistic teaching that you know God really doesn’t want you to have do. Such as raise your arms in the air when you pray. Now search through the bible and find scripture that could possible relate to that that teaching. If you can’t find the exact words then create a new meaning. You know what I mean, like when the CoG made up the word Clouds to mean Flesh.

    See if you can do it. Then who knows, maybe they will raise you to a god Status.

    By the way, it was very un Christ like to call me a sissy…knowing I’ve never been persecuted. Did you know I have family members that were in the Nazi concentration camps. Let me tell you…that’s real persecution.

    Disagreeing with your doctine is disagreeing…not persecution.

  319. God bless you COGinator. So what’s up. You still wanna harass Church of God and their followers like what your doing to me right now. So what’s the truth of God? Can you show me through the Bible? Let’s see who follows God’s commandments.

    Church of God follows ALL God’s commandments according to the Bible. We keep the Passover of the new covenant on it’s appointed time just as Jesus Christ did and He said do this in remembrance of Him and He promised eternal life in His body and blood. We keep the Sabbath day as Jesus custom. We keep ALL God’s feast just as prophecied in the Bible about God’s mountain, Zion, where ALL God’s feast are celebrated. Our women wear veils when we worship God. We get baptized in the actual name of the God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We believe in the existence of Jerusalem Mother. We follow ALL the prophecies of the Bible.

    So what are you so insecure about COGinator? Why don’t you prove that Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are cults through the Bible. Do you even know the role of the Second Coming of Christ? See your all you do is give your OWN OPINION and your not looking at the Bible. Your judging Church of God yet you couldn’t prove through the Bible that were wrong? Who are you to judge someone? Shouldn’t we all based everything in the Bible before we say something against someone’s belief? Now if your reading the Bible and you see that were making a wrong interpretation, then correct me if I’m wrong. But don’t just judge someone by the apperance. Make a righteous judgement according to the Bible. That also goes to all other denominations. Bible is the basis for everything as far as following God. God bless you COGinator.

  320. I’m Church of God Member. Church of God is very good Church. Because the Church only follows the teaching of true God. And because of Member’s good behavior, the government give it many rewards.

  321. I’m wondering Jamie’s word is true or false.

    But…

    One thing is sure we don’t have to hear those who keep the teaching of man like Sunday service, Christmas worship
    Because they can’t recognize God and truth through the man’s teaching.

  322. Really~~ what is the truth of God?
    If you follow the truth of God please show me your truth through the Bible !!

  323. Funny, when you write God Bless you, Bozofromzion, it reads more like F U. Maybe it’s just me. (or we could take a vote on it).

    Either way…

    …All my opinions are from the bible as it’s been taught to me from multiple denominations and multiple sources. With out even siteing a single biblical reference I can absolutely affirm that the intent on Jesus’ teachings is to not be leagalistic and to show to grace to each other as God does to us. From your postings I can see that your doctirne has neither. Furthermore, Jesus warned us about false religions, false prophets, and false idols. It’s because of that, I can clearly see that CoG is not doing Gods work.

    You want proof…it’s in the bible. I suggest you read from front to end without skipping around at all. I’ll let you find the references as they are not hidden and don’t need cult leader to unlock them to understand.

    By the way you want proof MJ is not a God…cut her and see if he/she bleeds. (I just have to look at that man made electronic device called a hearing aid to know she aint no god. It doesn’t say in the bible to use a man made healing device. God should do all the healings….my God does!!)

  324. God bless you COGinator. Okay so how can you say that your opinion is right? You said that your opinion is from the Bible but you don’t even reference it and there are so many denominations out there. So what about Seventh Day Adventist, their opinion is from the Bible. Jehovah Witness, Born Again Christians, Billy Graham church, Baptist, Pietism, Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism, Catholics and I know that they use the Apocrypha version of the Bible and they claim that any other Christian denominations are Protestants because they think that Protestants take away books from the Bible (the Canon version is the one we all use except Catholics), Mormons. Who are you to judge Church of God and other churches? Shouldn’t we all based it in the Bible instead of what your doing right now, making your OWN JUDGEMENT against Church of God. Because everytime I preach to someone, even in this blog, I reference it in the Bible. So how can we find out what is true church that Jesus Christ established. What are the things that God wants us to keep? Everybody believe in God, so is everybody gonna be save?. He wants us to keep his commandments right? Because according to Jesus in the Bible, those who keep God’s commandments are the ones who love Him.

    John 14:15-21 [“If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. WHOEVER HAS MY COMMANDS AND OBEYS THEM, HE IS THE ONE WHO LOVE ME. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”]

    John 5:41-42 [I do not accept praise from men, but I know you. I know that you do not have the love(commandments) of God in your hearts.]

    Is this clear to you COGinator? Jesus Christ clearly said that He do not accept praise from men. He wants us to follow His commandments. Anyone can say “Lord, I love you with all my heart and I accept you as my personal savior” but if they don’t follow God’s commandments, then He/She don’t really love God. It’s clear straight from the Bible. Should I put more proof from the BIBLE?

    James 2:14-26 [What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
    But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONE GOD. GOOD! EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE THAT-AND SHUDDER. YOU FOOLISH MAN, DO YOU WAN EVIDENCE THAT FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS USELESS? WAS NOT OUR ANCESTOR ABRAHAM CONSIDERED RIGHTEOUS FOR WHAT HE DID WHEN HE OFFERED HIS SON ISAAC ON THE ALTER? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS DEAD.

    Matthew 7:21-27 [“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ “THEREFORE EVERYONE WHO HEARS THESE WORDS OF MINE AND PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE IS LIKE A WISE MAN who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. BUT EVERYONE WHO HEARS THESE WORDS OF MINE AND DOES NOT PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE IS LIKE A FOOLISH MAN who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”]

    Do you understand these COGinator? You said that you read the Bible but you don’t practice the commandments of God. So do you really love God even if you believe in Him and have just faith? God bless you COGinator.

  325. God bless you COGinator. You said:

    “Furthermore, Jesus warned us about false religions, false prophets, and false idols. It’s because of that, I can clearly see that CoG is not doing Gods work.”

    There are prophecies that Jesus Christ is to come again to bring the salvation to those who are waiting for Him and I’ll explain to you one of the prophecies that must be fulfill in order to be the Second Coming Christ. Do you know when is Jesus Christ Second Coming? It’s probably in the Bible doesn’t it.

    Matthew 24:3-4 [As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING and of the end of the age?” Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I AM THE CHRIST,’ and will deceive many.]

    Matthew 24:24-25 [For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.]

    Here, we can clearly see that Jesus Christ will come again as Christ meaning God in flesh. So when it will happen? Only through the Word of God we can find out because He is the only One who knows. Let’s look at the BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD.

    Matthew 24:32-33 [“NOW LEARN THIS LESSON FROM THE FIG TREE: AS SOON AS ITS TWIGS GET TENDER AND ITS LEAVES COME OUT, YOU KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NEAR. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.]

    Jesus said, “as soon as it’s twigs get tender and it’s leaves come out, you know that it is near”, then, we have to find out when will the fig tree bloom and therefore understand the timing of Jesus’ second appearing.

    In order to realize the meaning of the parable we must understand what the fig tree represents. As it is written,

    Luke 13:6-7 [Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’]

    Why did Jesus compare Himself to a man who when to look for fruit on a fig tree planted in a vineyard?What is the meaning of this? It’s meaning is that Jesus preached the gospel to the Israelites for three years searching for the fruit of the gospel. Therefore, the fig tree represents for the country of Israel.

    Isa 5:7, KJV [For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.]

    In the above verse we can understand that in the Bible the vineyard represents the country of Israel and the plant (the tree) represents the people of Israel. Let’s look at another biblical testimony concerning this.

    Jer. 24:5 {Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.}

    Through this verse God makes it apparent that figs represent Israel, since He compared the figs to the people of Israel once more.

    In Luke 13:7 Jesus told His disciples to cut down a fig that had not borne any fruit. Actually Jesus’ words at that time was a prophesy of what was going to happen to Israel. As a fulfillment to what Jesus had said, Israel which had rejected the gospel that Jesus preached was completely devastated by Roman soldiers in A.D. 70. After it’s collapse, the people were scattered all over the world as a stateless people for more than 1900 years.

    After much time had passed, the fig tree that had been cut down and withered from the roots began to bloom once more. It’s twigs got tender and its leaves began to sprout. When did all this happen? The revival of the fig tree occurred in 1948. On May 14, 1948, Israel proclaimed her independence and recovered her sovereignty. The fig tree which seemed to have with no sign of revival actually resuscitated. Israel’s independence after such a long time of captivity marked the second coming of Jesus as prophesied. He has come again but with the name Christ Ahnsahnghong. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one we all have been waiting for. That is why the Church of God received Christ Ahnsahnghong, the second coming Jesus, as the Savior.

    Rom 11:26 [26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ”The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.]

    According to the prophesy revealed through the fig tree, Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, came from Zion in 1948.

    God bless you COGinator.

  326. clap clap clap The end. What a well fabricated story with reference to the Bible. How many books does your bible contain?

    Looks like the story is only based on Ahsahnghong’s figs, twigs ….and then begins Mother.J episode.

    The Bible makes it clear that Jesus was God in human flesh, second person of the Holy Trinity, who lived a sinless life on earth and died as a sacrifice for the sins of the world

    This Jesus of the COG cult is not the Jesus of the Bible or else it would not have to play such a simple role of bringing the passover.

    “The plain truth is that this is another of Satan’s attempts to keep the God-fearing people from learning the truth of Jehovah and His Son Christ Jesus”

    Did the COG jesus live a sinless life and die for our sins or his own? Hmm . If not why is it so difficult to reveal his History.

    I can understand you have been assigned a job of posting just the material handed down to you by the super Apostle and seal your lips with respect to his personal life a simple question that has been placed before so many by others here on this board and is ignored. You think these lengthy post will wash our grey matter.

    Sorry, We aren’t the victims of this mind control technique that is used on people like you by COG on whom churches are built and false gods are worshipped.

    Matthew 1:1-2A, 6, 16 [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: [2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, … [6] and Jesse the father of King David. [16] and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ who was baptized by John the Baptist

    Now why don’t you prove Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother’s genealogy through the Bible just like the one above?

    We are not interested in figs, veils, passover ……

    C’mon prove it from the Bible. I presume it should be some Korean names as he had come from the East and born in the Buddhist family, the pastor who baptized him in the SDA, wife, kids names etc. etc

    Just ….Go very carefully through the entire BIble okay. You seem to be a person having tremendous patience. Work a little harder in digging the history. Your rewards will be in heaven.

  327. In a book it says the mom stated “You can’t see what a mess your room is.” In another instance, she cannot find her toothbrush and her daddy said “it’s because your blind as a bat.”

    The CoG would claim this is proof that she has to wear glasses. Where as everone else would cleary see it’s not about the glasses as it is about paying attention.

    CoG, you can read word for word and not understand the bible. 1/3 of the world can’t be wrong and only you be right.

    So let’s not talk about me an my understanding of whan the bible teaches. Let’s focus on what we all have a problem with. It’s not that you choose to follow all the OT ritutuals because you love God. It’s that you preach you have to follow them or your a bad Christian.

    Jesus said in James 2:14-26 [What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?] He didn’t say all deeds. He didn’t define the deeds. I agree if you claim to be a christian, but you don’t act like one than it’s not authentic. following the leagalities of the Jews just because Jesus was jewish isn’t what the bible is teaching.

    Let’s leave it here because I know we won’t agree. You feel that all the ritual has to be proven and I believe it’s what’s truley in my heart. I haven’t found proof in the bible, despite all the long postings you and all your CoG Sisters have posted, that God indeed wanted us to be ritualistic robots. For me (and the vast majority of Christians) it’s in black and white what we can do to show our love to God, and not what we must do.

    Let’s turn the talks back, not to the rituals, as that’s not the crux of what is wrong about the CoG, but about the Cult Leader Mother J. (have you cut her yet?)

  328. Ok, here’s a question for you cog people: Why do you not observe the sabbath as required in the 1st test. (sundown Friday to Sundown Sat)? Why do you not follow the 400+ laws of the Torah? HMMMMMMMMMMMM

  329. Good question…

    Do Chuch of God Members eat pork? I bet they do because Pork is a very popular food item in Korea.

  330. After reading through some posts, I just couldn’t help but to add on, although I did say that I was not going to intervene.

    Wouldn’t it be correct to say that in order to observe the Passover “the way Jesus did”, one would have to convert to Judaism, unless, this person is of Jewish descent?

    There are laws set for non jews and if COG claims to participate in such a thing, then, they are breaking that law.

    However, if they claim that it is not quite the same as the Passover that Jesus observed, then it is not the Passover but a made up ritual that falls between the Jewish Passover and Easter. This ritual is not quite the Jewish holiday nor the Christian holiday. If it were the real Passover in which Jesus observed, Koreans and any other non-Jew would not be able to participate.

    This is something created to separate themselves from Easter and the real Passover, in which Jesus had no one eating with him but Jews…no gentiles present.

  331. Lastly, if a COG member can post where it says that gentiles CAN participate in the Passover, that would be great. If you claim that “Jesus fulfilled” some kind of prophecy that allows gentiles to observe the Passover, then, it would go against the law thatt is said to be forever/eternal.

    Also, it wouldn’t make any sense because Jesus did not have any Gentiles at the table eating with him, and if he did, the Gentile would have to get circumcized and convert to Judaism. So it would appear that Jesus did not break that law in regards to Gentiles.

    We all can find scripture where it says that the law is forever, now where is the scripture that says that it is ok for Gentiles to participate in the Passover “the way Jesus observed it”.

  332. Coginator, that’s one of the 400+ laws I was talking about…..why can’t they see that they are being taken advantage of in the name of giving cashola to mj, nothing more, nothing less

  333. Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law but fulfill it. see Matthew 5:17-18

    “It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the “Sabbath day” requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded upon a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not here suggest that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament record (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). Consider the following points.

    Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term “kataluo,” literally meaning to “loose down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., to “render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

    It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “…not to abolish, but to fulfill.” The meaning is this. Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, he revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience, or else imposed a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10,13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

    If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, as it did before Christ came, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what he came “to do.” On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish what he came to accomplish, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ, and thus remains as a binding legal system for today, then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus’ death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.”

    found on: http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

  334. Cham said: “I’m Church of God Member. Church of God is very good Church. Because the Church only follows the teaching of true God. And because of Member’s good behavior, the government give it many rewards.”

    LMAO. CHAM buddy, you are exactly why COG members are total retards.

  335. Hi COGinator,

    Hey man, I some what see your point on “abolish” and “fulfilled”. Yet, there are still aspects that are confusing me.

    Example:

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    “12:14 This day must be one that you will remember. You must keep it as a festival to God for all generations. It is a law for all time that you must celebrate it.”

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    So would Jesus “fulfilment” of this mean that the Passover wouldn’t have to be observed?

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    “12:24 ‘You must keep this ritual as a law, for you and your children forever.”

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    Why say forever? Why not say, “until it is fulfilled”? It sort of take the meaning out of forever if Jesus fulfilled it and is said to be no longer binding.

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    12:45 [But if a gentile is] a temporary resident or a hired hand, he may not eat [the Passover sacrifice].

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    How would this have been fulfilled by Jesus? This doesn’t sound like anything to be fulfilled, it sounds more like a simple law.

    I’m just trying to get a better understanding of it. In many of my proboard posts, you can see where I ask what the heck does “fulfill” means, well according to laws that is, so I’m seriously not trying to challenge you, bro.

    :-)

    I understand fulfillment of prophecy, but when it come to rules and laws, i’m not too sure on the idea of that.

    Basically, the Bible speak of some laws that Jesus fulfilled. The Torah contains 613 laws, how many laws were fulfilled by Jesus if the Bible does not indicate that he fulfilled all 613 laws?

    If he did fulfill all 613, there would be no reason for Jews to not see him as the Messiah.

    By the way, members of the COG are observing “Prayer Week”. The go to church early morning and back in the afternoon for 10 days, so don’t expect to hear from them for a little while.

  336. This CoG member posted more repeat nonsense.

    Is all that they can think of objections to Sunday worship, the cross and Easter? How shallow their thinking is.

    A good tree bears good fruit. Looks like the kind of tree that produces these CoG members is a broken record.

    CoG = FAIL

  337. Well Dark Angel, let me try and explain this using what I have gained so far from bible school: Regarding the Passover Jesus fulfilled it forever as He sacrificed Himself as the passover lamb.

    1) We do not need to observe the passover in that form any longer.
    2) It says forever because we are to observe it in the new form forever
    3) Yes Gentiles still cannot observe the passover to this day

    Let me address everything with this explanation: When Jesus Christ went to the cross, He went as the Passover offering. His offering was accepted before God forever, thus He fulfilled the part about us having to kill a lamb during the feast. Instead of observing it in the old form, we now observe the Passover when we remember Christ our Lord in a number of ways: One is through thanksgiving and remembrance of His sacrifice (for example by celebrating Easter and using it as a time to preach the Gospel). This fulfills the requirements of the feast (standing up with sandals as if they were ready to leave speaks of our readiness to share the Gospel at any moments). When we eat Holy Communion, we are partaking of Jesus’ flesh and blood; we are in essence eating the Passover Lamb. Thus, we are celebrating the feast in the new manner rather than the old. This is why Jesus’ instituted the Communion as part of the new covenant: to fulfill the requirement of the Passover.

    Why it is written “forever” instead of “until it is fulfilled”? Because until the end of time we will always be commanded to observe Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross and preach His death and resurrection to the unsaved. Perhaps we will continually offer praises for Jesus’ sacrifce when we are in heaven, but who knows? :)

    Why is it that it says the gentiles or foreigners cannot partake of the Passover and why can we now partake of it when we are not Israelites? Going back to ancient times, in God’s eyes there were two types of people: God’s children Israel and those who were not God’s children, the Gentiles. That means you and I. To allow unbelievers uncommitted to observe God’s holy laws to partake in something as sacred as the Passover would be a terrible sin as it would render the act of the celebration and remembrance common and profane. Paul says in the bible that we should not partake of the communion in an unworthy manner (forgot which verse sorry), and in the same way God could not allow the unbelievers to partake of it in an unworthy manner; in an attitude bereft of reverence, respect and thanksgiving.

    So why can we now partake of the Passover, though we are Gentiles? The bible says that those who have believed in Jesus Christ and proclaimed Him as their Lord have received an adoption (I think it’s in Romans or Hebrews, sorry I can’t remember exactly) into God’s family. We are now Abraham’s spiritual children, and in the sight of God, His children now. We can therefore be part of the Passover celebration.

    Hope that clears your doubts :)

    I’m pretty certain the CoG understands absolutely NOTHING of this. That’s why they constantly harp on observing the proper passover, rail against communion as a man-made ritual, etc.

    CoG = FAIL

  338. Jamie,

    Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it. Your examples helped as well. I’ve read and heard all sorts of reasons why Jesus did or did not fulfill prophecy or the laws.

    To be honest, I can understand why the Jews believe what they do about Jesus, but that’s another story for another forum.

    Cancel that breakdown, COGinator. I’m all set. :-)

  339. GOD=not cult,

    What would you call person who detests other people that lies, cheats, and steals, only for this person to lie to his wife perhaps? Cheats on his wife perhaps?, and steal money from his wife?

    (the example above is not directed at Ahnsahnghong, but the one below is)

    What kind of person is this to condemn others, only for him to do the things that he detest?

    This is a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

    According to http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

    this person is a Hypocrite.

    It’s weird how God detest idols and people who worshipped idols in the bible, so much.

    He even killed alot of them for doing so too.

    Only to come and worship golden statues, something that he killed other people for doing. We have a guy that is said to be God, bowing down and praising another God (Buddah).

    He worshipped Buddah for perhaps half of his life. Thousands of people have died for worshipping golden statues and here comes God, doing the same thing.

    Sounds like a hypocrite to me. Wouldn’t you agree?

    What kind of example is he setting here? It would also appear those people who worshipped idols, died for no reason because he broke his own rule.

    Unless you want to say that he “fulfilled” it.

    But hey, I guess it’s ok for God to worship another God. Afterall, he’s God, he can do what he wants.

  340. Dark Angel: You’re welcome :) Here’s more about the Passover that we observe in spirit according to Paul.

    1 Corinthians 5: 7-8 New King James Version

    Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    Here Paul instructs the Corinthians on certain attitudes needed to observe the Passover. However, he is not talking about literally observing the Passover with real lambs and all, but is talking about how believers as people of the new covenant should observe the spirit of the Passover where Christ died that we might be sanctified and made holy before God, that His judgment would turn away. So this is a way we always celebrate the Passover.

    Furthermore, we must always ask for forgiveness and repent of our wrongdoings whenever we commit them, and it’s best if it’s done daily or whenever they occur. In doing so we again observe the Passover, in that there is acknowledgment that Christ Jesus died so that we would not be condemned and touched by the angel of death (for the wages of sin is death, says the book of Romans).

    And I agree totally with your statements! What kind of God would condemn bowing down to idols and yet live 30 odd years of his life or more doing the same thing he condemns? What a loser god that is!!

  341. Hi brofromzion and other world mission church of god members!
    Why no-one can answer these very simple and basic questions about ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
    What is her name, how old is she, does she have families (children?, husband?) and how did she get inolved in this religion.

    Thank you so much, and happy ascension day!.

  342. Dark Angel said “Cancel that breakdown, COGinator. I’m all set. :-)

    Good, I don’t think I could have explained it as well as Jamie…saved by the bell!

  343. Hallo

    Who is liar???
    Do you know??

    1 John 2:1-5 [My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense–Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
    He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
    We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
    The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him]

    According to the Bible there are two kind of Laws~~
    Which law do you follow??

  344. Dark Angel said, “He worshipped Buddah for perhaps half of his life.”

    My discussions with my CoG friend point out that no where is it written or assumed that Ahnsahnghong actually was a Buddist, only that he came from Buddist parents. He said just because your parents practice a particlular religion doesn’t mean you have to. While I conceeded the point I also pointed out that while it’s possible he didn’t partake in any buddist rituals, it’s not very probable. It sure would be fun to find a picture of a young Ahnsahnghong bowing down the to the big belly.

  345. COGinator,

    That’s just BS and I woudn’t see that happening. A child is born into the religion the parents are into. Even as children, we have no choice in the matter, until perhaps, when we become young adults. So, for them to say that he was born unto Buddhist parents but was never a Buddhist, well of course they wouldn’t write about it, because it wouldn’t support their theology of him “not having faith”.

    I don’t see how he did not worship Buddah unless he was some type of spoiled disobedient kid who controlled his parents and did whatever the heck he wanted.

    So he just stood around tapping his feet while his parents prayed and worshipped Buddah? Yeaa….

    I have never met or heard of anyone having the choice to NOT be a part of whatever religion their parents are a part of as a kid…and this is America where things are not that strict.

    That’s not proper parenting for one, especially for Koreans where family is number one value.

    Asians are very strict when it comes to preserving their ancient customs and traditions and Buddism is a part .

    Take a look at the garments Mother Jerusalem wears, that is traditon being preserved. Their theology has a hint of korean traditons blended in.

    Here’s some basic information on the South Korean culture and traditons:
    http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/south-korea-country-profile.html

    It just wouldn’t be possible for Ahnsahnghong to be such a “rebel” that he did not subscribe to the same religious beliefs that his parents were.

    No child has that much authority over their parents at such an early age in ANY culture or household.

  346. It’s best to get information from someone who is Korean. I happened to have a friend that is and they are very honorable and respectful towards their parents.

    They wouldn’t have dared not oppose on what ever choice they parent made for them, in their childhood, like most children in most cultures.

    For most, once they reach about the age of 20-21, most tend to grow into their own person. Meaning, like most young adults in most cultures, their parents have little say on things like religious beliefs.

    So what did this guy do, move out at the age of 5 and decided that he wasn’t going to listen to his parents anymore?

    Whatever……

  347. Would a COG member please answer Donnie’s questions before it gets lost in the upcoming posts?

    Please…