Today, I was approached by a Korean as I was coming back from work. For some reason, I decided to do his survey. I was a little surprised to see that it (apparently) was about Christianity, because it asked questions that at a shallow glance would seem to be used by Christians to initiate outreach. They were questions such as “Did you know that Jesus commanded us to celebrate the Passover in order to receive eternal life?” and “Do you know what 666 means?”. Then the questions got a little strange to me. Next up was “Do you know what Jesus’ name will be when He comes again?”, “Do you know that Jesus second coming will be from the east?” and “Have you ever heard of the Heavenly Mother?”. Red flags went off.
“Must be one of those…” I thought to myself. Never mind, polite as I was I decided to let the man have his say. I must really thank God that I was wearing shades. That way, the guy couldn’t see my expression fully.
This organisation seems to be the usual cult stuff. Among the notable core doctrines (and my comments) are:
1) Jesus has already come back (and now He’s dead again. Like, how many times does He have to die? lol)
2) Jesus came back in the east, which was South Korea (Why Korea and not Japan? Japan is farther east after all)
3) The bible has been changed/locked and only the returned Jesus can open it (so what’s different from what the Latter-Day Saints and Islam teaches?)
4) There is a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Seventh Day Adventists/LDS anyone?)
5) Earthly family is a shadow of the heavenly family. So the reason there are brothers and sisters in earth is because there’s a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother in heaven (so does that mean that brothers and sisters are supposed to get married to each other?)
After reading up on it a little on Wikipedia, I find that it’s just the same as most of the other cults. Nothing much new except different country and different new Jesus.
I really wanted to tell the man that he was believing in a load of crock, but I decided that I didn’t want to argue with him and hurt his feelings. Besides, I had just let him have 20 minutes of my time already.
What I would now like to comment on is the Heavenly Mother. I am not sure how much of the bible they say is locked up/corrupted (perhaps it’s like Islam where seemingly arbitrary bits and pieces of scripture retain their true meaning and only Islamic scholars can seperate the dross from the gold), but the CoG WMS believes that the “bride” referred to in Revelation 22:17 refers to the Heavenly Mother.
“The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come’! And let him who hears say, ‘Come!’ Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life”
Okay fair enough. So…what about Revelation 21:9?
“One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
Wait. Isn’t the Lamb talking about Jesus Christ? With all the numerous allusions to Christ as the sacrificial Lamb, I don’t think Rev 21:9 is talking about the Heavenly Father here. So let’s put two and two together:
“The bride is the wife of Jesus Christ” + “The bride is the Heavenly Mother” = Jesus Christ is in His Heavenly Mother’s pants
Yuck. Yuck Yuck Yuck! I don’t want no Jesus who marries His own Mother. Maybe that’s why we have mé·nage à trois on earth: the Heavenly Father and the CoG WMS Jesus are banging the Heavenly Mother together.
Jamie is blogging...? 
Same thing happened to me in Australia.
Two girls asked if they could give me a survey. I was a bit weary but said “ok” anyway, (I don’t mind giving an opinion. I had some spare time – it was 12 noon and I was just going to go home).
They asked me all sorts of crazy questions, like have you heard of the Heavenly Mother, have you heard of the Passover, etc. They said crazy things like: the earth is actually a shadow of heaven (there’s a Holy Jerusalem and a Jerusalem on earth), that we are actually fallen children/spirits from heaven and have sinned, and if we don’t get baptized and eat Gods’ flesh and blood every 2 months we will go to hell… etc.
It sounded interesting, and… different, so I kept on listening. I ended up staying for about 3 hours!
The next thing I knew it, I was in their car and going to get baptized. I was nervous because I had only just met them, and I didn’t know what they could do to me.
It was an experience….a scary one.
But anyway, they took me to their church (which was actually a house – but renovated). I was thinking “what have I gotten my self into?!” I thought they were going to kill me or something.
I got baptized, watched a documentary about their “Passover” (which definitely looked like some kind of cult. There was a huge crowd of them all, they all looked Korean, all praying to God. They wore a lace kind-of material over their heads – it seemed symbolic for some reason).
They offered me lunch and I ate. By then it was getting quite later (about 4:30) and my boyfriend was worried about me and he kept ringing.
I let the girls know about this and told them that I had to get going. One of the girls (called Anne), really wanted me to come again tomorrow (their day of rest was apparently Saturday). She wanted me to join their study group. I said “no”, and replied to her “because I have a lot of homework”. I really didn’t want to get myself as involved as I already was.
She went on readying out paragraphs from the bible, trying to make me feel guilty. She would not take ‘no’ for an answer. She said “ring you’re boyfriend, let him know you’ll be late”.
I didn’t have any credit on me, so I didn’t want her to know that I couldn’t ring my boyfriend. I just kept on eating, until I finished my food.
She offered to walk me to the station, and I said “alright”.
I found her really annoying. She kept walking me off the foot-path! She wanted to be close to me to read me her Bible, and I kept wanting to move away. She even held my hand and stroked it!! I pulled away of course.
She waited with me at the station until the train came. That whole time she was reading parts out of the Bible and trying to convince me to see her the next day (Sat).
I asked her “Why not the following Saturday? I’m too busy”.
She asked me for my mobile number. I was reluctant, but gave it to her anyway (at the time I didn’t know what to do).
She checked it and she noticed that I left one number out (by accident). She told me to correct it. Then she rang the number, to check if I was lying.
The train eventually pulled up.
I got on.
She yelled out “God Bless You, God Bless You, Sister! Ring me! You’ll ring me won’t you?!” Signally a phone with her hands.
I said “Yeah”, a bit unenthusiastically.
I just fell in a heap on one of the chairs, sighed, and rolled my eyes.
I was just so humiliated! It was an interesting adventure I admit. But I would never do that again. I can’t believe I put my trust in those people, they could have done anything.
I ended up changing my number straight away.
By: Katherine on April 22, 2007
at 3:58 am
you shoud not blog like this it’s rude and you are calling me a cult cause i am in the world mission society church of god……so please dont say bad things…. oh! btw were the girls korean and if they were the holdig hands thing or the stroking is what they do in their country so dont blame them and im not korean im singaporean…..
By: chelsea on September 22, 2009
at 12:57 pm
Hi Chelsea,
I’m sorry that this offends you. It is concerning, though, that so much of what the world mission society church of God teaches resembles things that other cults say.
The typical signs of cults are:
1. Extrabiblical revelation – bringing something new from outside of the Bible: a ‘new’ teaching revealed in some supernatural way
2. A false basis of salvation – teaching that anything but Christ, and ONLY Christ, is what saves you: He is the one who died for your sins, no one else, and if you add good works, baptism, or anything else as a REQUIREMENT to be saved, you are saying that His death was not good enough on its own.
3. Presumptuous Messianic Leadership – someone claiming to be the one you should follow, other than Christ. When Christ returns, he will return in glory, not be born as a baby again, and He will not die a second time – he has already died for our sins, there is no further need for him to die, is there?!
4. Doctrinal Ambiguity – confusing teachings, taking obscure passages and not interpreting them through the light of clear passages in scripture, but interpreting them out of context.
5. Segmented Biblical Attention – looking at verses and passages out of context, ignoring other clear passages: a similar thing was done in South Africa to justify apartheid laws as being Biblical: a VERY dangerous thing to do!
6. Defective Christology – a misrepresentation of who Christ is: the ONLY way to the father, THE way, THE truth, THE life. Those who believe in the son will have life, those who reject him are condemned. Nothing about a ‘God-mother” there, and it’s crystal clear.
7. The claim of “Special Discoveries” – that no one else has, and without which you can’t be saved.
8. Related to the above: Denunciation of others – if you’re not part of this church/movement, then you can’t be saved.
9. Enslaving Organisational Structure: only one person has the truth, and everyone else has to trust that what they teach is right, and cannot be questioned. No one can challenge their position.
I’m sorry to say it, but your ‘church’ shows rather too many signs of being a cult to be ignored. Read the Bible on your own, for yourself. Let it speak for itself. It really could not be more clear. Please, pray for God to help you see the truth – even if you can only pray that he will show you what is true in the Bible, in case you might be wrong. Pray to Jesus, who died to give you life and freedom. Please.
By: Faye on February 18, 2010
at 5:30 pm
A cult is one that opposes the social norms or religious norms. So its nothing wrong with people calling WMS a cult, because objectively thats what they are. But the people from WMS that I met are proud to have it called a cult, because it shows that they are different from the rest of Christianity, the ones that are obedient to God’s teachings and the ones who have the perfectly accurate interpretation of scripture.
In addition, I wouldn’t really mind talking to people who believe in alternative forms of Christianity if we can sit down and have a logical/reasonable study of what scripture really means. However, it seems that people from WMS are so caught up in their way of thinking because they believe they have some form of divine revelation and the one true interpretation of the Bible. So, this makes it impossible to have a logical study with them on meanings of verses.
By: Anonymous on September 25, 2010
at 2:10 pm
@Chelsea .. no matter what angle you’re positioned, see and analyze WMSCOG, it may not be a cult, same it can not be a religion. More appropriate is Fraud Organization. Its the truth, and those believing in the teachings of WMSCOG including you who had passed indoctrination are not aware that this fraud group is using for all you to amass money for their pockets. You’re all lost, and astray from the true path to salvation. You were taught how to be saved and you believed unaware of what they taught you is a trap to HELL.
By: eddie cameo on July 28, 2014
at 6:43 pm
The truth does not sin but sure annoys you. May God open your eyes so you may see that church for what it is a for profit ponzi scheme aim to funnel money to it’s leaders … Incuding whom you believe to be heavenly mother.
By: isacubillo on July 1, 2016
at 8:11 am
My comment is it those who are following the cult. Admitt that WMSCOG is for profit and kicks out any one who wuestions them.
By: isacubillo on July 1, 2016
at 8:20 am
WHO EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT JESUS HAVING SEX WITH MARY, YOU SOUND SO LOST, MARY WAS A PHYSICAL TOOL, A VIRGIN, WHO GAVE BIRTH TO GOD IN THE FLESH, THERE IS NO SEX IN HEAVEN ONLY ON EARTH, WE DONT DESERVE POWERS OF CREATION, WE SINNED IN HEAVEN, BECAUSE THIS IS TEMPORARY PRISON SO THAT WE MAY REPENT, THIS IS EARTH, WE DONT HAVE THE LUXURY OF HEAVEN, THIS IS EARTH WHERE WE SUFFER MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY, THE SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE ARE FROM HEAVEN, THE LAST ADAM AND THE LAST EVE, THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, AND ALWAYS WILL, THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, YOU THINK MY FATHER WANTS TO BE ALL ALONE, THEY ARE THE CREATORS OF CREATION, THEY CREATED EVERYTHING, (US)THEIR CHILDREN WERE CREATED AFTER THEMSELVES, WE ARE NOT GOD LIKE THEM, WE ARE NOT PERFECT, THATS HOW WE ENDED UP DOWN HERE, WE SINNED IN HEAVEN BY DISOBEYING GODS ULTIMATE LAW “DO NOT EAT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, SATAN TEMPTED US, HE WAS OVERWHELMED BY HIS SPLENDOR, BEAUTY AND POWER, HE WANTED TO OVERTAKE HEAVEN, THUS, DECIEVING BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND COMVINCING THEM TO EAT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE AND OF GOOD AND EVIL, WHICH WAS FORBIDDEN BY GOD, BECAUSE ANGELS WOULD BECOME LIKE GOD, KNOWING BOTH GOOD, AND EVIL, SOME ANGELS REBELLED REGARDLESS IF THEY WERE DECIEVED OR NOT, THEY BECAME INTENTIONALLY ENEMIES OF GOD, SOME BROTHERS AND SISTERS WERE CONFUSED, NOT KNOWING WHAT REALLY TO DO, THEY ARE THE UNINTENTIONAL SINNERS OF HEAVEN, FATHER AHN SAHNG HONG WRITES ABOUT EVERYTHING IN SOME OF HIS BOOKS, ALSO, THAT WE REPEAT OUR SIN FROM HEAVEN, ON EARTH, IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT MOTHER AND FATHER, SO BE IT, MOVE ON, DONT CRITISIZE, (MORE JUDGMENT) THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF GOD, AND YOU STILL WANT TO KILL THEM, JUST LIKE SATAN COMMANDED, THESE ARE SOME OF THE TRUE MYSTERIES REVEALED TO US BY OUR FATHER AHN SAHNG HONG, WHO CAN REVEAL THE TRUTH BETTER THAN THE AUTHOR OF LIFE? GOD. IM SORRY THAT SOME OF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ELEMENTARY ESSENTIALS, OF THE BIBLE, BUT THIS IS TRUTH, LIKE APOSTLE PAUL SAID, “DO YOU MAKE ENEMIES WITH ME BECAUSE IM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH” AND NO! THAT IS 100% FALSE! ABOUT DRAGGING PEOPLE INTO MEETINGS, I DONT THINK ANYONE DOES THAT, YOUR JUST MAD BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN EXPELLED FROM HEAVEN ON EARTH, DO NOT, SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION, I HAVE BEEN IN THE CHURCH FOR 7 YEARS, AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE PRESSURED TO DO ANYTHING, ALL WE DO IS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, BECAUSE GOD TOLD US TO, IF YOU COULD ONLY REALIZE, HOW CLOSE YOU CAME TO GOD AND “REJECTED CHRIST”, INSTEAD OF WALKING AWAY, YOU ARE ATTACKING A HUMBLE, BEAUTIFUL, LOVING, FULL OF GODS LOVE PLACE, WHERE THE BEST OF MEATS (JESUS’ FLESH) ARE GIVEN ON THE PASSOVER, WOW….. god bless you again, i hope you see the light one day, i never hope for anyone to be condemned, i tried, im letting you know, your making a huge mistake, and im going to leave you alone soon, so you can pursue your persecution, your just adding heeps of coal on your head, and everyone that follows you, god bless everyone ! dont beleive the nonsense you hear, and if you do, then God have mercy on your souls.
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 2:55 pm
your exegesis of Scripture is so far off base it does not deserve a reply. You have obviously been brainwashed – and like most brainwashed people you refuse to admit it – rather sad actually – hopefully one day you will wake up – however Satan has obviously blinded your eyes.
By: RGD on March 10, 2012
at 1:39 pm
I HOPE WE COULD FIND OUR LOST BROTHERS AND SISTERS, FOR THEM TO BE SAVED FROM THE LAST PLAGUE. OUR FATHER AHNSAHNGHONG AND OUR MOTHER NEW JERUSALEM, HOPE THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAY BAD THINGS ON YOU WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT PROPHECIED IN THE BIBLE…IM VERY SAD ABOUT THE FACT THAT ITS HARD FOR THEM TO SEE THE TRUTH.
By: CRISTINA on February 1, 2013
at 8:30 am
How can you find your lost brothers and sisters when you yourself is lost. Pray to the Holy spirit to enlighten your mind so that you will be saved from the plague of the WMSCOG. It is just hard for you to see the deception of this church,
However hard the satan may try though this time cunningly using the selected verses from the Bible as a tool to deceive God still works wonders and sends his people out to show them the real truth. So they do not speak bad warn the others about the church and its fake gods.
Do some research by yourself if you think these people out here are bad. We pray you see the truth as soon as possible and be saved as it saddens us too to see how blinded you are to worship a dead god and female God who is not omniscient.
By: stella on February 5, 2013
at 2:32 pm
Wow. That’s quite an ordeal.
Makes me wonder how many people they manage to drag into their meetings by sheer pressure.
Thank goodness you escaped from them and that you came out alright :)
By: Jamie on April 22, 2007
at 3:25 pm
they also tell there new gospel in Holland. But I think we have to listen to the bible. In galatians 1:8 Paul sais; 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Lets listen to the bible and spread the gospel that we only need Jesus.
By: joan on April 26, 2007
at 12:05 am
I had to say this again and again Because we all may speak to God (not Only jamie)Those korian also tell there new gospel in Holland. But I think we have to listen to the bible. In galatians 1:8 Paul sais; 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Lets listen to the bible and spread the gospel that we only need Jesus.
By: joan on April 26, 2007
at 12:07 am
CORRECT. AND APOSTLE PAUL IS ALSO THEE ONLY PROPHET IN THE BIBLE, WHO DIRECTLY WROTE THAT THE NEW JERUSALEM THAT IS (ABOVE) IS FREE, AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER:) GALATIANS 4:26
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 3:11 pm
And now for the context:
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Galatians 4:21-28 (New International Version)
21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
24These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:
“Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[a]
28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
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As you can see, the apostle is using allegory to explain the two covenants. The Galatians were turning back to circumcision along with old covenant rites as practiced (at the time of writing, in Jerusalem) . But the new covenant (established by Jesus Christ) is the covenant of faith that was promised to Abraham (the father of the faithful, see Galatians 3:7-9). So, one covenant is earthly and leads to death. The other is spiritual, heavenly and truly fulfills the promises made to Abraham in the sacrificial death of Christ on behalf of the faithful. And this faith (belief that Christ has done all that we can never do) leads to life everlasting in the New Jerusalem from above.
So, as the apostle Paul says, “these things are to be taken allegorically” so the faithful in Christ know that they are “children of the promise.” We are “born again” as these children to a living hope in the only only Savior, namely, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Still waiting for Scripture to teach about a spiritual mother.
By: Todd on June 3, 2010
at 11:22 am
Hi, it’s me again.
You are right Joan. It says in the Bible – that if you “believe in God and Jesus you will be saved”. I think it is also important to keep a broad mind and not change what is written in the Bible. Believing in God and Jesus, to me, is the most important thing. Jesus died so that he could save us.
Those two girls, who approached me, did not mention anything about Jesus dieing to save us. I asked them how I would go to heaven, they only said “if you attend the Passover and have been baptized”.
They turned up at my door step today.
I forgot to mention, that after I was baptized I had to fill in a form to register. I included my name, date of birth, mobile number and address. They must have got my address from the priest who baptized me.
My boyfriends’ grandmother opened the door and let them in after saying that they were there to see me.
They greeted me with a hand shake but I refused. I thought “What a cheek, I changed me number so they wouldn’t hassle me and now they are turning up at my door step!!”
I said to them in front of my boyfriends’ grandmother, that I didn’t want to join their religion, that I changed me mind. They kept asking me “why?”. That I have to go to the Passover, etc.
I asked if they wanted to sit outside, and they were happy to.
Basically, they kept pressuring me, and trying to make me do something that I didn’t really want to do. I said to them “I really don’t feel like going, and joining your religion”, and “I believe in God, and when it suits me, I want to study the Bible in my own time”.
They wouldn’t accept it, asking me about mother God, etc. They just stood there bullying me, trying to make me see sense. It got to me after a while, after pleading for so long for them to leave. I just sat there. My head down, hands behind my neck, quivering. Feeling stressed out and hot and bothered. Just wishing they would just leave me alone!!
They said that they had traveled far to see me; went out of their way.
By boyfriends father came out of his shed to get something from the house, and noticed the two girls “hounding” me.
He asked me “what’s wrong, are you ok”. I couldn’t answer him. I was terrified!
He said to them, “alright now, I think you had better leave”. They wouldn’t budge, and they tried to preach to him.
He said to them, “Katherine, is safe with us. She is safe here,” and “you are making Katherine upset, leave”.
One of the girls looked through her Bible and went to say something to him, and he said that he “didn’t want to hear it”. They were persistent. In the end they left.
I was so terrified. They whole time my head was spinning. They wouldn’t be convinced that I wasn’t interested and that I wanted them to leave.
Christianity is not about bullying others. It should be about caring for one another, and leading a happy life. Believing in God should enrich your life, not control it. Religion shouldn’t consume you and narrow your mind. Man has a choice; let him have the right to choose. God gave us a choice – not demands.
By: Katherine on April 30, 2007
at 11:29 pm
hey how can you blame a church who is doing n putting so much efforts pls u dont like it just leave it any ways u will have 2 face the judgement for your deeds … this is really shameful that u caled a church cult but still i wish god forgives you this is really really shameful n more over you r shameful….
By: shamla on January 13, 2010
at 10:37 pm
Shamla, You speak foolishly. The Church of God World Mission Society is a cult and if you are involved with it, you ought to repent and forsake it immediately. Your shame based ploys are demonic and it is you who will stand in judgment to this unless you forsake this error. I pray you do.
By: Jim on April 2, 2010
at 6:05 am
GOD BLESS YOU
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 3:46 pm
Jim,
What authority do you have to say that Shamla speaks foolishly because she chooses to believe? If God gave us a choice, then we have that choice to believe or not to believe. This would also be true for those who truly seek the truth.
What you believe is what you have been taught by those who have interpreted the Bible in the way they were taught. Satin has been in existence since the beginning of time. Could it not be possible that like Adam and Eve, many generations after Christ could be deceived? If you are a seeker of the truth, then you must weed through all forms of the lie.
If we are to be children of God, then we must follow everything that he commanded on the days he said to do them. Therefore, if history is correct, and the Roman Catholic Church changed the day of the Sabbath to Sunday and changed Passover to communion in 325AD, setting these as standards for all Christian churches up until this very day, is it not man who follows such changes against God?
2000 years ago, God’s children rejected Christ and hung him on a cross. If Christ were to speak to us today, you and others on the site would join in and call him and his followers a cult just as those who claimed to be children of God did 2000 years ago.
Christ said that HE would come again. He also said that there would be many who would claim to be him in the last days as there have been in every country. So how will we know who he is when he comes? We will know the same way they knew 2000 years ago, and we’ll know that many who claim to be children of God will reject Him.
He has died to bear our sin, but when he comes again He will bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him (Hebrews 9:28). This means we must follow all of the commands of God to show that we are waiting for him and only those who do so will have salvation.
What church do you know of that has brought back what was change by men in 325AD, and who was it that revealed these things to us? The second coming of Christ is who. That is how Shamla Knows. He used the words of the Bible to show where we had gone wrong. Just as he did 2000 years ago, he used the words of the Old Testament to show that he had fulfilled the prophecy that was spoken there. What cult leader do you know of that had done that without some form of overwhelming evil. When the Christ came a second time, he taught salvation just as He said He would, never to bring harm to His children but salvation. If you look at his life and what he preached, you can see that he fulfilled the prophecies as they were written, not to add to the Bible or change it, but to show us the way home. What cult leader has done that with no harm to his followers?
I am not telling you to repent, nor am I judging you by what you believe, because I was where you are. I am only telling you that if you are a true child of God, He will reveal His truth to you if you truly seek it.
Katherine,
I am so sorry that you were meant to feel that way. Please try to remember that other cultures are not the same and we as humans can make mistakes and take the wrong approach. My prays and hope it that you continue to seek the truth.
By: Cindy on January 17, 2012
at 7:50 am
@shamla … Jim has told you the truth. God may not even pass judgement on you and your group because you’re already condemned to HELL. By the lies and deceptions you’re spreading against the Creator of Heavens and Earth, you won’t be spared from being thrown to the lake of fire. Just a piece of advise from a brother, back out as soon from this group, repent and ask forgiveness, perhaps you can still be forgiven, yet should you prefer staying, then admit that your destination is HELL.
By: eddie cameo on July 28, 2014
at 6:56 pm
EZEKIEL 20:24 IF A MAN REJECTS GODS LAW, GOD WILL GIVE HIM STATUTES WHICH IS NOT GOOD, AND LAWS HE CANNOT LIVE BY.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
WHAT JESUS MENT BY BELIEVE IN ME, IS TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS, DOES GOD LIE? THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THAT, AGAIN, IN MATHEW 7:21, ON THE DAY OF “JUDGMENT” AWAY FROM ME YOU EVILDOERS, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS, NOW, THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN GODS PRESENCE, THEY ARE LAWLESS,
MATHEW 13:41 THOSE WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS, WILL BE THROWN INTO THE FIERY FURNACE,
LUKE 16:19 -29 CLEAR AS CAN BE: A RICH MAN WAS BURNING IN HELL, O.K,
HE STARTED CRYING, BECAUSE THE FIRE IS TRECHEROUS RIGHT, HE ASKED GOD, ,, IF GOD CAN WARN HIS BROTHERS ABOUT THIS FIERY TORMENT HE DOES NOT WANT THEM TO EXPERIENCE, THEN GOD REPLIES: THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, LET THEM LISTEN TO THEM, THEN THE RICH MAN SAYS, “THEN WHAT SHALL WE LEARN FROM THEM?” AND GOD SAYS: “ITS GODS LAW, GODS COMMAND.
EZEKIAL 18:21 IF MAN KEEPS ALL THE DECREES OF GOD, HE WILL SURELY LIVE
JEREMIAH6:19 GOD WILL BRING DISASTERS ON THOSE WHO REJECT GODS LAW.
YOU NEVER HEAR THE SCRIPTURE, HE WHO KEEPS MY COMMANDS LOVES ME!
YOU’LL SEE IT, THAT CLEARLY MEANS THAT IF YOUR NOT KEEPING GODS LAWS, YOU HATE HIM. UNLESS GODS A LIAR (NEVER EVER EVER THAT)
1 JOHN 2:3 WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM, (GOD) IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS, SO IF WE DO NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDS, IT CLEARLY SAYS WE DONT KNOW HIM,
MORE.
JEREMIAH 7:25 GOD HAS CONTINUALLY SENT HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW HIS COMMANDS.
THINK ABOUT IT, THERE IS SO MUCH TESTIMONY ABOUT GODS COMMANDS, ITS CLEAR AS WATER ABOUT WHAT GODS COMMANDS ARE:
THE PASSOVER, EVERLASTING COVENANT, (FOREVER) GENERATIONS TO COME WE MUST KEEP IT,
CURSED IS THE MAN WHO GOES HIS OWN WAY ON THE LORDS DAY,
THE SABBATH IS ALSO THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT, WHEN THE ISRAELITES DIDNT KEEP NEITHER OF THESE TWO, THEY COLLAPSED IN THE DESERT, SHADOW OF THE PAST, WE WONT COLLAP[SE AND DIE, BUT RECIEVE GODS WRATH, WORSE THAN THE OLD TESTAMENT,
AGAIN THE SABBATH IS JESUS’ CUSTOM, A CUSTOM IS SOMETHING WE KEEP, WHY WOULD IT BE A COMMAND BUT HMMMM….JUST IGNORE IT, NO
IT SAYS, KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY SO THAT I CAN MAKE YOU! HOLY.
SO IF WE DONT KEEP THE SABBATH DAY, HOW CAN WE SAY WE ARE HOLY,
YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THE SEVEN FEAST? JESUS KEPT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM,
HIS COMMANDS ARE, THE SEVEN FEAST, SABBATH AND [PASSOVER ARE INCLUDSED IN THE 7 FEAST, THE 7TH DAY, KEEP IT HOLY, THATS IT, ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, THE FEASTS, DONT COME AROUND VERY OFTEN, JUST SATURDAY, HAVE TO KEEP, SATURDAY, IF YOU SAY YOU BELEIVE IN JESUS, THEN HOW COME YOU DONT KEEP HIS CUSTOM? AND THIS IS THE NEW COVENANT, NOT THE OLD ONE, IT DID NOT CHANGE, MOSES KEPT THE SABBATH DAY, AND PASSOVER AND THE 7 FEASTS, AND THEY WERE GRANTED, FOOD FROM THE SKY, AND WATER FROM A ROCK, BUT THOSE WHO REJECTED GODS LAW, DIED ON THE SPOT
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 3:38 pm
Child of God,
Well said!. Interesting that you said “it is clear as water” If you have ever went swimming and opened your eyes under water you can not see clearly unless you have glasses or goggles on, We can clearly see through water within glass. It takes those who know the truth to put things within the concept of those who are without tools of vision,
By: Cindy on January 17, 2012
at 7:59 am
I do not understand of all this talk about the Church of God being a cult. Why do you people say such things. You go on the internet and read peoples websites that persecute the Church of God and you believe easily enough. How foolish.
If it says in the Bible that the Passover is the way Jesus gives us eternal life, then why don’t you check it out in the Bible to see if it is true or not.
If the Bible testifies that we have a spiritual Mother, then check it out in the Bible, instead of making ignorant comments like, “this is another cult”.
Acts 17:11 — Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Did Jesus not say that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life?
John 6:53 — Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Do yo believe Jesus or not? What did he say?
Those who believe, have faith in Jesus’ words. He gave us his flesh and blood to eat on the night before he died. This was the night of the Passover. He had to die, because a will (covenant) is not put into effect until the one who made it dies. Jesus’ promise to us was eternal life.
Jesus said,”unless you eat the flesh of the son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you”.
How do you respond to this? Is the Church of God making up scriptures? I dont think so.
We are trying to show you the truth that second coming Christ has brought back to us.
There are many prophecies in the Bible, that second coming Christ will bring back the Passover. This will be like his identification card so we can recognize the true Christ from among all the false Christs in the world.
By: Ryan on May 5, 2007
at 3:31 am
Hi, I am very happy to hear all things. Let me ask you some questions.
1. dont you know your god (ahnsahnghong) was dead and his tomb was in korea.
2. bible clearly mention that God never see holy ones to decay. But your god bod was decomposed.
3. if you read Act 1.11 The Jesus the way he went into the heaven, he will come in the same way. how can you say he came secretly from korea.
4.God has no father(physically) even jesus has no father. But you God has
father. he was buddist.
5.Death will never rule again on jesus because he wins the death by resurrection how can second coming christ will controlled by death.
6.Heavenly mother established by Heavenly god not by Man he has no control on his life.
finally i believe in passover. but we have to eat the flesh and drink the blood of resurrected christ not deadly christ.
get away from the chruch and save your self. I am also the memeber of COG. i came to know the truth. i left the chruch( that is your Zion).
By: Ben on November 8, 2009
at 8:10 pm
actually ben, if you got your facts steight, before you left this post, Christ Ahn Sahng Hong, is, thee only man in the history of the world, to predict his death, which was not a death at all, he just layed back, closed his eyes, and went back to heaven, in front of our brothers, jesus, body was never found because he came from a virgin, and his body was pure, Father CHRIST Ahn Sahng Hong was born from a gentile family, he was born the natural way, not like Jesus, Ahn Sahng Hongs body was left on earth because it was just a physical tool, to accomplish the 37 years of david reign, to complete the 40 years of ministry.
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 8, 2010
at 3:58 am
SAVE YURSELF? HOW CAN ANYONE SAVE THEMSELF, THATS IMPOSSIBLE, NO ONE HAS THE POWER OF SALVATION EXCEPT GOD, AND IF YOU STUDIED WHEN YOU WERE IN THE CHURCH, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE PROPHESY OF 2ND COMING CHRIST, MUST COME IN THE GENEOLOGY OF MECHIZEDECK THE HIGH PRIEST, WHO WAS BORN, INTO A GENTILE FAMILY, JUST LIKE CHRIST AHN SAHNG HONG, BAPTIZED AT AGE 30, JUST LIKE CHRIST AHN SAHNG HONG, AND THERES MORE…….NO WONDER YOU LEFT THE CHURCH…….YOU NEVER STUDIED, YOU PROBABLY SAT AROUND JUDGING EVERYONE, AND THATS WHY YOU LEFT THE TRUE CHURCH, ITS BETTER TO HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD AT ALL, THAN TO KNOW GOD, AND THEN TURN YOUR BACK ON GOD, STUDY,,,,, STUDY,,,,,,,,STUDY, IS WHAT I TELL EVERYONE, I CANT BELEIVE THIS…………………….
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 8, 2010
at 4:05 am
It is the same ignorance which got Jesus crucified in the first place.
By: Cynthia on February 4, 2010
at 12:59 am
THANK YOU BROTHER, IT ONLY SAYS LIKE IN 1 OR 2 VERSES, THAT BELEIVE IN JESUS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED, IT SAYS THROUGHOUT THEE ENTIRE BIBLE, TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS, WHY WOULD WE REJECT GODS LAW, TO BELEIVE IN THE OLDEST OLDEST THEORY, JUST BELEIVE, AND YOU WILL LIVE, NO….. I KEEP ON LEAVING SCRIPTURES ABOUT KEEPING GODS LAWS, ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, THE REASON PEOPLE DONT KNOW ABOUT THE 7 FEASTS, IS BECAUSE 2ND COMING RESTORED THE SEVEN FEASTS, IF HE DIDNT, I WOULDVE NEVER KNOWN, I WOULDVE BEEN LOST,
AND OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT A CULT IS, A CULT IS LIKE, THAT ONE RELIGION WHERE THEY WERE HAVING ORGIES, AND DRINKING POISON IN THE DESERT, A CULT IS MAN MADE, AND BELEIVES IN IDOLATRY, THE CHURCH OF GOD DOES NOT SET UP CROSSES, DO THESE PEOPLE EVEN KNOW WHAT IDOLATRY IS, IN THE BIBLE, FIND THE TITLE, IN JEREMIAH, AND EZEKIEL, AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER BOOKS OF THE BIBLE, IDOLATRY IS SETTING UP AN IMAGE OF ANYTHING, A CROSS, A STONE, A ROCK, ANYTHING, WE DO NOT SET UP ANYTHING, WE GO BY THE BIBLE, THE TEACHINGS OF THE WORLD MISSION SOCIETY CHURCH OF GOD, STREIGHT FROM BIBLICAL TEXT, WHATS THE SECRET TO GOING TO HEAVE, AGAIN FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME,,,,,,,UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLEASH AND BLOOD OF THE SON OF MAN, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU, JESUSS EXACT WORDS, AM I MISSING SOMETHING, MAYBE HE JUST SAID THAT’ TO ENTERTAIN YOU GUYS, YA, THE PASSOVER, FLESH AND BLOOD, NO LIFE, PRETTY SERIOUS TO ME
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:00 pm
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at 7:30 am
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By: Jamie is blogging…? on May 7, 2007
at 4:59 am
I have read the Bible cover to cover (Old and New Testament, no inclusion of Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, alternative gospels, Book or Mormon or etc.) and haven’t found any trace of a Heavenly Mother. God is always referred to as ‘He’ or ‘Him’. Even the angels always appear as men.
I believe in the Bible. Such as when it says that when Jesus returns, it will be seen by everyone on Earth (Matthew 24:27, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt%2024;&version=31; ). I must have missed it while busy blogging. Did anyone post it on YouTube?
So I have to ask Ryan and everyone reading: Could Jesus possibly have returned to Earth in 1964 in the form of Ahnsahnghong? And correctly predicted the Second Coming of Christ (himself? wasn’t he already there?) for 1967 and 1988?
After all, consider that Joseph Smith of the Mormons prophecied that Jesus would return within his lifetime by 1890. Though Joseph Smith died before that date.
Herbert Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God predicted that Jesus already returned in 1936 (later changed to 1945).
Jim Jones was the reincarnation of Jesus until 1978, when he led his Peoples Temple followers in drinking cyanide-laced drinks and shooting himself in the head.
David Koresh was also the reincarnation of Jesus, until he died in 1993 along with his Branch Davidians in the Waco Siege shoot-out and fire.
Marshall Applewhite was yet another ‘the reincarnation of Jesus’ until 1997, when he led his Heaven’s Gate to commit suicide so that their souls could get onto Comet Hale-Bopp… Which was also somehow carrying Jesus on it at the same time.
And José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia (Florida, USA) is also currently Jesus Christ, along with Ayah Pin of Negara Langit (Malaysia) and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church (Korea – looks like Ahnsahnghong has a rival here).
Btw, did any of the various Korean reincarnations bother to contact Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church? The last time Jesus appeared to him to tell him about his mission was in 1935. You’d think that they could update him with the new, radically different plans and use the infrastructure the Unification Church already has in Korea.
And don’t forget about the equally valid claims of all these other guys… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_claim_to_be_Jesus_Christ
So, in conclusion, YES! Jesus reincarnated has been on Earth exclusively as Ahnsahnghong from 1964 till he died in 1985, while simultaneously exclusively being all the above mentioned reincarnations.
What? You don’t agree? Are you saying that all of the above are mistaken cults and have false Christs or something, without even researching them first? That’s like, bigotry and arrogance and stuff! Don’t be so easily believing and foolish!
PS. Remember the above names and organizations. They are useful quotes when debating the next reincarnation of Christ you meet on the street.
By: Scott Thong on May 17, 2007
at 3:29 pm
Scotts an idiot, you read the bible front to back so now your the authority on the bible? Please you’re the arrogant one! So what makes you and your group any different from the cults you just mentioned? Are you Catholic, I don’t think I need to get into about the child molesting perverted pig priests do I, I think everyone know right? So it’s okay to be in a group lead by perverted pigs but that’s okay as long as your not preaching about Jesus coming in the flesh. I wondered how many of those priest are giving sermons, going commando probably with a hard one looking at all the altar boys.
Or are you protestant? The Christian church has overthrown leaders, assassinated, burnt books, witch burnings, Spanish Inquisition, started wars, tortured, 19th century missionaries and a hundred other crimes. But all is okay as long as you don’t say Jesus is back. So next time a Christian comes and preaches about Jesus’ love just remember what I told you.
By: Sunshine on January 14, 2013
at 2:50 pm
u all want an obvious thing to show that they are herectical? well.. the Mother is the so called founder and leader of the church and she is supposedly the Second Coming of Christ!!! simply astounding… wad else to say? not a cult?
By: gimyong on May 20, 2007
at 8:40 pm
My sis was in this group for a couple weeks. Luckily we talked her out of it. Check out these websites.
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/
http://www.ahnsahnghong.info
Definately a cult.
By: Joseph on June 13, 2007
at 11:19 pm
APPARENTLY YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING, HAVE YOU EVEN STUDIED ABOUT MOTHER? YOU ARE PERSECUTING THE CHURCH OF GOD, JUST LIKE 2000 YEARS AGO, YOU SPIRITUAL PHARISEES, ALWAYS BELIEVING WHAT THE CROWD GOES FOR, DONT YOU HAVE A MIND OF YOUR OWN? SHOULDNT YOU BE GOING TO YOUR OWN CHURCH, TRYING TO BECOME HUMBLE, BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER BE PERSECUTED,,,,,,,MARK MY WORDS,,,,,,,,THAN BE THE PERSECUTOR, WHO IS GOD GOING TO HAVE MERCY ON? ME OR YOU? SOME ONE JUDGING, OR SOMEONE BEING JUDGED, HOW CAN YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES AT NIGHT, AND CALL YOURSELF GODLY WHEN YOU ARE ATTACKING INNOCENT PEOPLE, BUT YOU FULFILL THE SCRIPTURE, YOU WOLVES, DEVOURING SOULS, MASQUERADING AS ANGELS OF THE LIGHT, JUST LIKE SATAN, STOP JUDGING, YOUR JUST BRINGING JUDGMENT ON YOURSELF, WHILE WE WATCH YOU DIGG YOURSELF IN A HOLE, (BEWARE)
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 8, 2010
at 4:16 am
@Child of God. . you have a mother god? who? an unclean woman who past two husbands, one she married and the other one she was a concubine? and you’re calling her also as church of god? shame on you. you’re already condemned to HELL. well Beware for you cannot be saved by your appointed gods
By: eddie cameo on July 28, 2014
at 7:10 pm
Warning: Your website links have been disabled or hijacked/hacked. Possibly by WMS COG. They now lead nowhere, or to propaganda websites. Just to let you know.
By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 8:45 pm
By the way, that Mother lady is called Chung Gil Cha. Shes no god, she’s a cult leader.
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/
http://www.ahnsahnghong.info
By: Joseph on June 13, 2007
at 11:20 pm
stop saying that cult?? what you tink u r a holy person ???
By: shamla on January 13, 2010
at 10:42 pm
Revelation 22:17 — The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
According to the prophecies in the Bible, in the last days, we need to come to the Spirit and the bride for eternal life (water of life).
2000 years ago, it was Jesus (1st coming of Christ) that had the water of life. Now that we are living in this last age, we need the Spirit and the bride according to the Bible.
Only God can give eternal life. Then who is this bride spoken of in Revelation?
Revelation 21:9 – 9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
It is prophesied that the bride, the heavenly Jerusalem will come down out of heaven in the last days.
2000 years ago, Jesus said he came down from heaven (John 6), but he came in the flesh being born as you and I.
So who is this Heavenly Jerusalem that Apostle John saw coming down from heaven?
Should we trust man’s opinion or see what the Bible says?
Galatians 4:26 — 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother……31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
The Bible says that the Jerusalem that is above is our mother.
In Revelation it says that the heavenly Jerusalem was coming down out of heaven.
Are these words not clear to you?
Genesis 1:26 — 26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness……
Genesis 11:5 — 5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Isaiah 6:8 — 8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
Who is “us”?
Genesis 1:27 — So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
So male and female were created in the image of God.
Then God has a male image we call God the Father, correct?
Then what would you call the female image of God?
Does not the Bible testify that we are children of God? Is this too difficult to understand?
There is much more prophecy about our spiritual mother in the Bible than you know about. If you would like to know them, I would be more than happy to show you.
By: Ryan on June 28, 2007
at 7:22 am
1 Thess 5: 19Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; 20do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22Avoid every kind of evil.
The Bible says to not treat prophecies with contempt, yet many of you could care less about the prophecies concerning the age we live in today.
It is very sad.
For those of you who do not understand, Jesus is Jehovah God in the flesh. They are not separate entities. Christ Ahnsahnghong is not a separate entity from Jesus Christ.
Don’t you people know that it is prophesied that second coming Jesus is going to come with a new name? Read Rev. 2 and Rev. 3
Was the name Jesus found in the old testament?
Jesus was a new name. The Bible said that apart from Jehovah there is no savior.
Then how could the apostle Peter so boldly testify that through no other name than Jesus can you be saved?
He understood that Jehovah and Jesus are one and the same.
In the same way, now second coming Christ has come with a new name according to the prophecies in the Bible, but most of you do not seem to be interested in the prophecies.
That is your choice. There are true Christians seeking the truth and there are the fake Christians.
By: Ryan on June 28, 2007
at 7:33 am
Yes there are true Christians seeking the truth and there are fake Christians. Yet you guys don’t fall under the category Christians anymore. You follow a different Jesus.
Why does God permit Jesus Christ His son to marry His Wife and Jesus’ Mother if he forbids such man to engage in such relationships? Are you sure that’s the same god you talk about? God doesn’t contradict Himself at all.
1 Thess 5:21 as you said: Test everything. Hold on to the good. Indeed, I have tested your theology and it is severly lacking. Therefore I reject it and hold on to what is good: that Ahnsahnghongians teach wrong doctrines.
Where is the proof that the church of Ahnsahnghong is a true church? The bible says that signs and wonders will follow Jesus’ disciples, yet where are the miracle crusades and wondrous works of the Ahnsahnghongian church? I’d say that things haven’t changed yet since God is still performing tons of miracles and wonders worldwide using people who know that Ahnsahnghong was not, is not and can never be Christ.
By: Jamie on June 28, 2007
at 4:17 pm
IF YOUR GOING TO PERSECUTE, AT LEAST SOUND CONVINCING, IM NOT EVEN GOING TO WAIST MY BREATH ON YOU, YOU ALREADY GOT PREACHED TO, DONE WITH, YOU ARE NOT ALL THERE,,,,,, YOU NEED HELP,,,,, YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH PERSECUTING THE CHURCH OF GOD, AND YOU DONT EVEN MAKE SENSE, YOUR MIND IS STUCK ON THE UNIVERSE, YOU HAVE NO SPIRITUAL GIFTS WHATSOEVER THAT ALLOW YOU TO LISTEN OR SEE SPIRITUALLY, YOU ARE NO THREAT!! AT ALL!! IF I WAS A NEW MEMBER YOU WOULD NOT CONVINCE ME AT ALL, THAT IM IN A CULT, PEOPLE LIKE YOU DISGUST ME, WHY DONT YOU SEEK YOUR LEVEL OF COMFORT, INSTEAD OF BADGERING GOOD INNOCENT PEOPLE TRYING TO KEEP GODS COMMANDS, IM SORRY YOU WERE NOT CHOSEN TO UNDERSTAND, I TRULY WISH GOD CAN GIVE YOU A SIGN OR SOMETHING, IM SURPRISED YOU HAVNT BEEN STRUCK BY LIGHTNING YET, I WOULD BE VERY VERY FEARFUL IF I WERE YOU, YOU MUST HAVE A LONELY, SAD, HARD LIFE, AND THE WAY YOUR GOING, I WOULDNT DOUBT IT, IF GOD IS ALREADY PUNISHING YOU AND YOUR LIFE IS PROBABLY CURSED, I CANT BELEIVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXIST, NO LIFE, AT ALL, GET ONE, GET A RELIGION, AND LEAVE THE CHURCH OF GOD ALONE!! DE-ACTIVATE THIS BLOGGING SIGHT AT ONCE, IN THE NAME OF FATHER CHRIST AHN SAHNG HONG, I PRAY THAT YOUR COMPUTER GETS A VIRUS OR SOMETHING, AND THAT YOU WILL NO LONGER POST, ANYMORE, CRITICISM ABOUT THE TRUE CHURCH, IM SORRY YOUR UNHAPPY AND CONFUSED BUT DONT TAKE IT OUT ON US
By: A WARNING FROM on April 8, 2010
at 4:29 am
you yourself are a contridiction to the entire Bible wasting your breath? your time? with the words you speak you are clearly very arrogant and self righteous! I would be careful with the words you speak you are a representation of your CHURCH and you are showing your TRUE colours you do not show fruits of the Spirit only one can Judge and that is not your God of Korea and is certainly not you. The only way to the Father is through the son John 14:6, John 3:16-17. God sent his beloved son that we may be saved in him by accepting he is the Son of the Father only through his blood we are made clean. You are not holy, you have no authority and no right to Judge. The Second coming of our Lord and saviour will be NO secret Matthew 16:27, Matthew 24:30, Mark 13:26-27, Acts 1:11, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 1:7. Luke 6:28, KJV
“Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.”
it is very dangerous of you to even pray that the Father would curse someone for YOUR misunderstandings you are very HARSH and CRUDE. Maybe you should ask God to work on the inside of your life before you tell others to work on theirs.
By: In His Service on December 18, 2010
at 1:27 am
Are you under the name of ‘child of god’ also? You set no good example of a true christian, you should be ashamed of yourself!
It seems you are very angry and are full with hatred when you throw out scriptures, (you even use uppercase when typing, which is an indication of ‘yelling’ in the texting world) I’d take it slow if I were you & get to understand more about yourself, instead of slandering others. Don’t let the devil get to you..just sayin
By: seekingthetruth22 on November 11, 2014
at 1:54 pm
Wow Jamie, you do not even know the prophecies of second coming Christ and you speak like this?
First of all, you do not understand that Jesus IS God the Father in the flesh. Do you not know the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6?
You do not even understand the most fundamental truths of the Bible and you persecute Ahnsahnghong and those who follow the savior of this age. You are just like the Pharisees 2000 years ago.
They called Jesus and his followers the Nazarene Sect. A cult in other words.
You speak out of ignorance rather than with a mind to find the truth.
If you really want to know the answers to the questions you pose, I can give them to you.
You ask where the proof is that the Church of God is the true Church. Well I can prove it to you using the Scriptures.
Just like those who asked for miracles from Jesus and when he performed them, they still stoned him.
In the same way, I can present you with the truth in the Bible and you will still say the same thing. Gods children are humble and seekers of the truth. Unfortunately you are neither.
By: Ryan on July 4, 2007
at 2:59 pm
Jamie, did you know that we actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ? Hey, that would make us Christians.
Did Jesus keep sunday service or Sabbath?
Did Jesus keep Eucharist or Passover?
Did the apostles hide Easter eggs once a year?
Did the apostles celebrate Christman as the birth of Jesus?
True Christians follow the gospel of Christ found in the Bible, not man made traditions.
The gospel of Christ was gradually changed by the power of the Catholic Church. Througout the Dark Ages, God’s people were executed for not following the heretical teachings of the Catholic Church. This is why Christ must come again, to bring back the truth that was destroyed hundreds of years ago.
John 14:25″All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 15: 26″When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
Is this not clear to you?
Why must second coming Christ come and remind us of everything he taught 2000 years ago?
Well, look at what Christianity is today.
Sunday service
worship of cross and idols
Easter
Christmas
This is not the gospel of Christ.
Now, the Chuch of God – the early church- , has been restored by second coming Christ Ahnsahnghong and we keep all of Jesus’ teachings.
Why do sisters in the Church of God wear veils? Because it is a teaching in the Bible.
Why do we keep the Passover of the New Covenant? Because that is when he established the new covenant and gave us his flesh and blood for the forgiveness of sins. (matt 26:17-28)
Why do we keep all of the feasts of God? Because Jesus gave us the example 2000 years ago.
Christians follow Christ.
Do you Jamie, or are you into celebrating Christmas and wearing a cross??
By: Ryan on July 4, 2007
at 3:21 pm
Ryan, what the Bible says about prophecies is taht a true prophet will have his prophecies come to pass. What recorded prophecies have the founder of the Church of God made that have come to pass?
Ryan, you should know that Jamie is not of the Roman Catholic church. The worship of idols or crosses, the eating of the eucharist, the praying to saints – all of that is irrelevant when debating with a Protestant. Especially if the Protestant agrees with you that Catholicism is corrupted (such as the Chic Tracts).
And that remark about Easter eggs… I am surprised you didn’t raise the issue of Santa Claus blasphemy too! Do Evangelicals practise those things, or do atheist Westerners?
Know also that as a Protestant, he does not consider any of the rites and rituals to be necessary for salvation – only belief in Jesus (as Jesus Himself said, and as Jamie has mentioned before in this blog). He will not go to hell either for celebrating on Sunday or Easter or Christmas in memory of Jesus, or for not celebrating it.
Ryan, if Jesus is the Father, why does He call Himself the Son and refer to YHWH as His Father? And what of the Holy Spirit, what familial role does He play?
Ryan, if Jerusalem is already our mother, how did I miss all the signs of the end of days that precede the last days we are supposedly in? Your remarks about Revelation – No, they are not clear at all, you need to explain your beliefs instead of leaving a hanging question. Readers are NOT educated in Church of God doctrines.
Ryan, if the Church of God is the only true church, why is it lacking in power and influence to change this corrupt world? The Mormons are doing much better, and I doubt you would consider Joseph Smith the true successor to Jesus.
Ryan, does your church forbid all alcohol? Practise circumcism or not (Jesus definitly was, Paul said we don’t need to)? Wash the feet of other believers? Go to Jerusalem for the Temple Feasts? All of these thigns Jesus did.
Ryan, do you consider Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple, David Koresh of the Branch Davidians, Marshall Applewhite of Heaven’s Gate, José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia, Ayah Pin of Negara Langit and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church to be members of a cult?
They all claimed to be the second coming of Christ, yet that cannot be if the Church of God’s doctrine is correct. But as you said, calling other groups ‘cult’ is what the Pharisees did.
Ryan, what does the Church of God possess that all those other groups not possess? They all also claim to follow the true teaching of Christ. Why should I choose your group over theirs?
Ryan, what I’m trying to say is: Why do you choose the Church of God over any other church? What convinces you that their interpretation is correct, compared to all the others? If the Latter Day Saints had preached to you first, would you now be a Mormon?
By: Scott Thong on July 10, 2007
at 10:38 am
Ryan… I would like to give you the invitation to clearly state the main beliefs, teachings and doctrines of your church. Support them with Scripture if you wish. In this way, we can clearly weigh your words.
The truth is, going on about how mainstream Christianity is corrupted says NOTHING about why the Church of God is correct. If all you accomplish is to convice people that the mainstream church is misguided, they could simply become Muslims or Buddhists. Or they could join the Brethren church – their women wear veils just like your church.
You need to clearly state your church’s beliefs and why they are correct. And in return, we will weigh your logic and proof. If you are confident you can adequately put forward and defend your convictions, then go ahead in faith.
By: Scott Thong on July 10, 2007
at 10:43 am
I have assisted the Church of God, i believe it to be a load of crap
1. Christ AhnSahngHong who they beleive to be my lord and savior isnt! Why? the COG teaches that AhnSahngHung came in secret, they contradict the word of god!: Revelations 1:7 says “Behold, he cometh with clouds and EVERY eye will see him and they also which pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.” >>>> Nobody saw this happen, this is the word of the bible the word of god, if it was prophesized to happen this way it will! More proof? :
Acts 1:11 says: “This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”>>>>>> the bible also says that beleivers and non beleivers will witness the second coming, and that christ will come when all nations gather against Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:3 and 14:2-3)
2. The heavenly mother doesn’t refer to an actual woman, remember the parables, the COG loves to say that no one understands them except for themselves, the bride of the lamb, jesus, is his children, us, we who have accepted him as our savior in baptism. The bible says that when we accept jesus, we are MARRIED to him and must refrain fom unholy things. Ephesians 5:25-28 – The discussion of husbands and wives. Jesus sets the example by how he loved the church and gave himself for it. Church must equal wife. His children make up the church, not an old Korean woman!
3. NO Ahng Sahng Hung, did not proclaim he was a god while he was alive! He wrote books on his beleive that Jesus would be the second coming christ, not himself, and the mother god he claims was one of his many lovers, *this man was baptized as an Adventist?! Whome the church beleives follows the devil!
What more can i say, This church of god is a cult who only choses to read in the bible what they feel can back up there own believes, they choose to ignore many passages in the bible that are contradicting what they choose to preach because they are liers!
So in an age like the one we live in, why would second coming christ come in secret when lord knows this world needs some faith and order! And when the bible, holy scripture states that when Christ arrives everyone will know!! EVERYONE!
By: Stephy on July 13, 2007
at 10:16 am
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT GODS CHILDREN ARE THE BRIDE, WE ARE THE GUESTS AT THE HEAVENLY BANQUET,
REVELATION 19: 9 = BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO ARE INVITED TO THE WEDDING SUPPER OF THE LAMB, THESE ARE THE TRUE WORDS OF GOD.
HOW CAN WE BE THE GUESTS, AND THE BRIDE,
REVELATION 22:19 THE SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE SAY COME AND RECIEVE THE WATER OF LIFE, HOW CAN US, THE GUESTS, BE THE BRIDE ALSO, AND GIVE THE WATER OF LIFE TO THE NATIONS, I CAN BARELY FEED MYSELF, WE ARE NOT THE BRIDE,
REVELATION 22: 1-2 THEN THE ANGEL SHOWED JOHN THE RIVER OF LIFE POORING DOWN FLOWING FROM THE THRONE OF GOD, AND OF THE LAMB,, ” HERE THE BRIDE IS BEING CALLED GOD” CAN U SEE IT, WE ALL!!!! KNOW THE LAMB IS JESUS, BUT IT SAYS CLEARLY (AND)
REVELATION 21:1-3 JOHN SAW THE HOLY CITY, NEW JERUSALEM, COMING DOWN, OUT OF HEAVEN, PREPARED AS A BRIDE, BEAUTIFULLY DRESSED FOR HER HUSBAND, “THE LAMB” IF WE ARE THE BRIDE THEN HOW COME JOHN, OUR BROTHER DIDNT SAY, WE:::: WERE COMING OUT OF HEAVEN, HE IS OUR BROTHER, HOW COULD HE SEE HIMSELF COMING OUT OF HEAVEN, GOD TOOK HIM IN A VISION, TO SEE WHATS COMING OUT OF HEAVEN,
THIS IS THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS, THE END OF THE BIBLE, WE ARE ON EARTH, HOW WOULD WE BE COMING OUT OF HEAVEN, WE ARE THE GUEST AGAIN, REV 19:9,,,,,,,WE ARE THE GUEST,
NOW, THE BRIDE IS CALLED NEW JERUSALEM ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE, THE HOLY CITY, SHE IS OUR HOLY CITY, BECAUSE SHE IS THE REALITY OF MOUNT ZION, WHERE WE ARE SAFE, LOOK AT THE ANIMALS, MOTHERS CREATE SAFE HAVENS, AND UMBRELLAS OF LOVE TO SHELTER US, HAVNT ANY OF YOU EVER RAN TO YOUR MOTHER, LIVED WITH HER, AND FELT WARM IN YOUR HEART,
this is apostle paul speaking to the nonbeleivers of this age.
NOW, GALATIANS, 4:16, HAVE I NOW BECOME YOUR ENEMY FOR TELLING YOU THE TRUTH.
GALATIANS 4:BUT THE JERUSALEM THAT IS ABOVE IS FREE, AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER, BE GLAD….O’ BARREN WOMAN, YOU WHO BEARS NO CHILDREN, YOU HAVE NO LABOR PAINS, BREAK FORTH AND CRY OUT LOUD, BECAUSE MORE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE WOMAN, THAN OF HER WHO HAS A HUSBAND,
NOW, HOW CAN SHE BE OUR MOTHER WITHOUT LABOR PAINS, HOW CAN SHE HAVE MORE CHILDREN THAN HER WHO HAS A HUSBAND,?
BECAUSE HAGAR REPRESENTS MOUNT SINAI AND BEARS CHILDREN WHO ARE TO BE SLAVES, (SLAVES OF THE FLESH ONLY) BUT THE JERUSALEM THAT IS ABOVE IS FREE, AND SHE HAS MORE CHILDREN WITHOUT!……LABOR PAINS,
YOU ANSWER ME NOW, WHY DO YOU THINK NEW JERUSALEM MOTHER HAS MORE CHILDREN THAN A WOMAN IN SLAVERY (HUMAN) YES!!!! EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE IS OUR SPIRITUAL MOTHER WHO HAS SO MANY CHILDREN,
IT MAKES SENSE, THE BRIDE, COMING OUT OF HEAVEN,(TO THE EARTH) “WHERE ELSE” THEN SHES CALLED THE NEW JERUSALEM, THEN APOSTLE PAUL USES A WOMAN IN SLAVERY, ABRAHAMS SLAVE WOMAN, TO SHOW THAT THE NEW JERUSALEM IS NOT A SLAVE, SHE IS COMPARED TO SARA, WHO BORE A CHILD OF PROMISE (US) REMEMBER THE SLAVE WOMAN BORE A SLAVE CHILD, THE NEW JERUSALEM IS OUR SPIRITUAL MOTHER! AMEN!
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 2:19 pm
Very well then Scott. I will address all of your points above.
You asked “what recorded prophecies has the founder of the Church of God made that have come to pass?”
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who has fulfilled the prophecies of second coming Jesus as recorded in the Bible.
If you are asking what prophecies he made while on this earth, then let me ask you something. Do you know what the role of second coming Christ, the Holy Spirit is?
You should know the answer to this question before you ask such a presumptious question.
Why do you assume that Christ Ahnsahnghong has to have recorded prophecies that have come to pass to make him a true prophet? All the prophecies up until the last day are all recorded in the Bible for all of us to see. This attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong is not in line with the teachings of the Bible.
You say that Jamie is not Catholic. Yes I understand this. Do you not know that the Protestant churches that broke away from the Catholic Church also keep the same traditions? Christmas, Easter, Communion, worship of idols.
I find it fascinating to hear Protestants debate with Catholics and they both keep the same man made traditions that are not from God.
You say it doesnt matter if people keep these man made traditions, as long as they believe in Christ, everything will be o.k.
Really Scott? Are you sure? Have you been reading your Bible?
Let’s take a lookie look shall we.
Mark 7:6 — He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.‘[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”
And how about this one.
1 john 2:3 — We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
How about this one straight from Jesus himself.
Matt 7:21 — “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Is this not clear to you?
Let us see in the last days if God’s people will just have faith, or will their faith be connected with obedience, which is the way we show our faith.
Revelation 12:17 — Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments AND hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12 — This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments AND remain faithful to Jesus.
You see, what all the false prophets out there teach, is that you only need to say you believe in Jesus and you are saved.
They take verses in the Bible out of context and say, “see, it says you only need to believe to be saved!”
What the apostles also taught is that faith comes through obedience to the word of God.
For example, if Jesus says that you must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life, then you can either believe his words or not.
In fact, he did say this in John 6:53. So if you believe in Jesus, but refuse to eat his flesh and blood to have eternal life, then do you really believe in Jesus?
Everybody wants to make their own Jesus and worship the way they want to, rather than following the word of God. To say that we just need to have faith, shows a serious shallow understanding of the teachings of the Bible.
I could use many more scriptures to illustrate this, but I think the point is clear. If not, let me know and I will show you more through the Scriptures that faith is obeying the word of God.
So if you want to think it is ok to worship God according to man made traditions and at the same time forsake God’s commands such as Sabbath and Passover, then that is your choice my friend.
Now on to the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This can get lengthy so I’ll do my best to make it short and to the point.
First you must understand Jesus is God (Jehovah) in the flesh. They are not separate entities. What does the Bible say?
Isaiah 9:6 — For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
So here is a prophecy that a son will be given and he will be called God or Everlasting Father. At this time, God was known as YHWH or Jehovah. But in the future, Jehovah will be born as a son.
This prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus. Then who is Jesus? Jehovah God in the flesh.
Examine this…… Isaiah 44:6 — “This is what the LORD says—
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Now let us see what Jesus said…….Revelation 22:12 — “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
How can the son Jesus be first before his father? Is that possible? The only way Jesus can say he is the First and the Last, is if he is Jehovah God. This is quite clear, isnt it?
There are many other verses. God came in the flesh as a son, to teach us how to become the perfect sons of God. Who is our best example? Jesus who is God in the flesh.
John 6:45 — It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
As the age changed from the age of the Father, the saviors name changed from Jehovah to Jesus.
In the old testament times, Jehovah said in Isaiah 43:11 that apart from him there is NO savior.
But apostle Peter testified in Acts 4:11 that under no other name than Jesus can we be saved.
So is the Bible contradicting itself, or can we pick and choose which name we want to call on? Think about this carefully.
What is God showing us here? When Jehovah God came in the flesh, his name changed. Jesus was a new name to the people 2000 years ago.
The name Jesus was not in the old testament. Even though Jesus is the one who fulfilled the prophecies of the coming Messiah, they still rejected him. They knew the name Jehovah as there savior as stated in Isaiah 43:11. They could not accept this new name Jesus.
In the same way, in this age of the Holy Spirit, second coming Christ will come as the Holy Spirit. Then what is the name of the Holy Spirit, second coming Jesus?
Revelation 3:11 — I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
You will see that in Rev. 2 and 3, second coming Jesus is speaking but he is speaking as the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
Why doesn’t it say, “Hear what the Son of God says to the churches”
Because when second coming Jesus comes, he is coming as the Holy Spirit in the age of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit’s role is to bring back the truth that has been taken away through the authority of Satan. This is all prophesied in the Bible, so it shouldn’t be too hard to understand.
I do not know how well you know the Bible, but I could show you everything if you have questions.
There is so much more to explain, and if you have a mind to check it out to see if it is true, I can show you more. It is up to you my friend.
You ask why you should choose our chru
By: Ryan on July 14, 2007
at 3:36 pm
Very well then Scott. I will address all of your points above.
You asked “what recorded prophecies has the founder of the Church of God made that have come to pass?”
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who has fulfilled the prophecies of second coming Jesus as recorded in the Bible.
If you are asking what prophecies he made while on this earth, then let me ask you something. Do you know what the role of second coming Christ, the Holy Spirit is?
You should know the answer to this question before you ask such a presumptious question.
Why do you assume that Christ Ahnsahnghong has to have recorded prophecies that have come to pass to make him a true prophet? All the prophecies up until the last day are all recorded in the Bible for all of us to see. This attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong is not in line with the teachings of the Bible.
You say that Jamie is not Catholic. Yes I understand this. Do you not know that the Protestant churches that broke away from the Catholic Church also keep the same traditions? Christmas, Easter, Communion, worship of idols.
I find it fascinating to hear Protestants debate with Catholics and they both keep the same man made traditions that are not from God.
You say it doesnt matter if people keep these man made traditions, as long as they believe in Christ, everything will be o.k.
Really Scott? Are you sure? Have you been reading your Bible?
Let’s take a lookie look shall we.
Mark 7:6 — He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.‘[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”
And how about this one.
1 john 2:3 — We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
How about this one straight from Jesus himself.
Matt 7:21 — “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Is this not clear to you?
Let us see in the last days if God’s people will just have faith, or will their faith be connected with obedience, which is the way we show our faith.
Revelation 12:17 — Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments AND hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12 — This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments AND remain faithful to Jesus.
You see, what all the false prophets out there teach, is that you only need to say you believe in Jesus and you are saved.
They take verses in the Bible out of context and say, “see, it says you only need to believe to be saved!”
What the apostles also taught is that faith comes through obedience to the word of God.
For example, if Jesus says that you must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life, then you can either believe his words or not.
In fact, he did say this in John 6:53. So if you believe in Jesus, but refuse to eat his flesh and blood to have eternal life, then do you really believe in Jesus?
Everybody wants to make their own Jesus and worship the way they want to, rather than following the word of God. To say that we just need to have faith, shows a serious shallow understanding of the teachings of the Bible.
I could use many more scriptures to illustrate this, but I think the point is clear. If not, let me know and I will show you more through the Scriptures that faith is obeying the word of God.
So if you want to think it is ok to worship God according to man made traditions and at the same time forsake God’s commands such as Sabbath and Passover, then that is your choice my friend.
Now on to the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This can get lengthy so I’ll do my best to make it short and to the point.
First you must understand Jesus is God (Jehovah) in the flesh. They are not separate entities. What does the Bible say?
Isaiah 9:6 — For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
So here is a prophecy that a son will be given and he will be called God or Everlasting Father. At this time, God was known as YHWH or Jehovah. But in the future, Jehovah will be born as a son.
This prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus. Then who is Jesus? Jehovah God in the flesh.
Examine this…… Isaiah 44:6 — “This is what the LORD says—
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Now let us see what Jesus said…….Revelation 22:12 — “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
How can the son Jesus be first before his father? Is that possible? The only way Jesus can say he is the First and the Last, is if he is Jehovah God. This is quite clear, isnt it?
There are many other verses. God came in the flesh as a son, to teach us how to become the perfect sons of God. Who is our best example? Jesus who is God in the flesh.
John 6:45 — It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
As the age changed from the age of the Father, the saviors name changed from Jehovah to Jesus.
In the old testament times, Jehovah said in Isaiah 43:11 that apart from him there is NO savior.
But apostle Peter testified in Acts 4:11 that under no other name than Jesus can we be saved.
So is the Bible contradicting itself, or can we pick and choose which name we want to call on? Think about this carefully.
What is God showing us here? When Jehovah God came in the flesh, his name changed. Jesus was a new name to the people 2000 years ago.
The name Jesus was not in the old testament. Even though Jesus is the one who fulfilled the prophecies of the coming Messiah, they still rejected him. They knew the name Jehovah as there savior as stated in Isaiah 43:11. They could not accept this new name Jesus.
In the same way, in this age of the Holy Spirit, second coming Christ will come as the Holy Spirit. Then what is the name of the Holy Spirit, second coming Jesus?
Revelation 3:11 — I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
You will see that in Rev. 2 and 3, second coming Jesus is speaking but he is speaking as the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
Why doesn’t it say, “Hear what the Son of God says to the churches”
Because when second coming Jesus comes, he is coming as the Holy Spirit in the age of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit’s role is to bring back the truth that has been taken away through the authority of Satan. This is all prophesied in the Bible, so it shouldn’t be too hard to understand.
I do not know how well you know the Bible, but I could show you everything if you have questions.
There is so much more to explain, and if you have a mind to check it out to see if it is true, I can show you more. It is up to you my friend.
By: Ryan on July 14, 2007
at 3:36 pm
Yes Stephy, God’s people can be said as the bride of Christ. The COG does not disagree with this. After all it is a teaching in the Bible.
But what you fail to understand Stephy, is that the bride in the context of the Book of Revelation cannot be represented as the church or God’s people.
First you must understand that there can be duplicate meanings for the same word.
The Lamb in the Bible refers to Christ. Also the Bible refers to God’s people as the Lamb. It depends in which context it is used.
It is the same with the bride.
In Revelation 22:17 it says The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Who are the ones that hear the words “Come!” ? Who are the ones that should come to take the free gift of the water of life from the Spirit and the bride?
What do you think Stephy? Obviously it is God’s people who need the water of life (eternal life).
Then how can the bride in revelation be God’s people. It is impossible. The bride in this context can only be God.
Only God has the authority to give eternal life. God’s people cannot give eternal life. If you think you can give eternal life, then you need to study the Bible Stephy.
Then in Rev. 21:9, apostle John saw the bride coming down out of heaven from God and he saw the heavenly Jerusalem.
Apostle Paul testified about this same Jerusalem from above in the book of Galatians.
Gal 4:26 — But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Gal 4:31 — Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Study what Paul is testifying to very carefully. There is a distinction between mother and children.
Paul testified that the heavenly Jerusalem (bride) is our mother.
At the same time he identified God’s people as children.
Do you see the dilemma here if you insist that the bride in revelation is God’s people?
It simply cannot be. There is no way you can justify that the bride in revelation is God’s people.
You believe we have God the Father because the Bible says so, correct?
Then the Bible says that the Jerusalem that came down from heaven is our mother. So the Bible testifies that in heaven we have a spiritual father and mother and we are God’s children.
But yet you refuse to accept or understand this simple Biblical teaching.
Yes, God’s people or the church can represent the bride of Christ. We do not deny this biblical teaching.
If you break your fixed concepts and examine what the Bible says, you will see the truth.
Just as the physical home is composed of a father, mother, brothers and sisters; in the same way, our home in heaven has a father, mother and we are God’s children.
Listen to what the Bible says Stephy.
Romans 1:20 — For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
God made all life, correct? Then what was God’s will in having all life come through father and mother?
The Bible says that by God’s will all things were created. By looking at God’s creation, we can understand God’s invisible qualities.
Just as father and mother give physical life, our spiritual father and mother give us spiritual life.
This is not a hard concept to understand. What is your objection to this?
The problem is that you have a problem that God the mother came down in the flesh as a Korean woman. You look at the physical things than rather looking at the prophecies in the Bible.
Why do you believe that some 30 year old carpenter from Israel is the first coming of Christ? Do you just have blind faith, or do you believe he is the one that has fulfilled all the prophecies of his first coming?
I can tell you that I believe in Jesus because he fulfilled all the prophecies. In the same way, second coming Christ has come fulfilling all the prophecies in the Bible. Yet you reject Christ Ahnsahnghong. It is because you do not really believe in the Bible.
God’s coming in the flesh 2000 years ago, exposed the disbelief of those who claimed to believe in God (ex. pharisees).
When the very one the claimed to believe in came as prophesied, they crucified him. In the same way, everybody claims they believe in Jesus, but know that he has come in accordance with all the prophecies, they reject him. God has again exposed the disbelief of those who claim to believe.
You ignorant people wait for some miracle in the sky. Do you not know that the Jews 2000 years ago could not accept Jesus because they thought the appearance of their Messiah would be a glorious and majestic event.
The Bible testfies that Elijah ascended to heaven in a whirlwind in his chariot. The Jews surely that Elijah would come in such a glorious event before the coming of their Messiah.
But when Elijah came (John the Baptist), he came secretly in the flesh.
The Bible testifies that in the last days, it is the false christs and false prophets that will be performing miracles and great signs to decieve even the elect.
So if you are looking for miracles as your sign, then I feel sorry for you.
If you want to know how to recognize second coming Christ, then you better study what the Bible says.
If all we have to do is wait for some in the miracle in the sky to see second coming Christ, then why are there countless different prophecies of second coming Christ? Think about this seriously Stephy.
There are God’s people and Satan’s children on this earth. God’s people hear God’s voice.
In Revelation 2, it says that second coming Jesus will bring the hidden manna. Then do you know what the hidden manna is?
Do you care what it is? Do you think it matters what it is? Are Jesus’ words in vain?
By: ryan on July 16, 2007
at 9:43 am
Ryan,
—If you are asking what prophecies he made while on this earth, then let me ask you something. Do you know what the role of second coming Christ, the Holy Spirit is?—
Let’s say I DON’T KNOW what the second coming’s role is. Do enlighten me. Don’t leave so many hanging, begging questions.
—Mark 7:6 — He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.‘[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”—
Of course I am familiar with these verses. But on what objective basis do you argue that Protestant teachings are ‘rules taught by men’, whereas Ahnsahnghong’s teachings are not? What criteria do you attach to Protestant teachings as ‘rules taught by men’ that do not equally apply to Ahnsahnghong’s teachings?
—1 john 2:3 — We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.—
Again, who is to say that I am disobedient and a liar, but you are not? On what criteria do you draw this conclusion? Because you say so?
—Matt 7:21 — “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Is this not clear to you?—
It is very clear to me. But who, pray tell, is really doing God’s will? Again, what criteria are you using to judge between you and me?
So far, all the above amount to nothing more than a smear campaign. You call me names, but give no evidence to show why I fit the definition of hypocrite, human-teachings follower, or liar. You might as well throw in alien invader, cyborg dictator, hermaphrodite and child molester – since you’re not attempting to show that I am any of those things either. You have NO PROOF OR ARGUMENT TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.
— Revelation 12:17 — Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments AND hold to the testimony of Jesus.—
Hey, your comment is full of making war against me! And I believe I am obeying God’s commandments and holding to the testimony of Jesus. Are you, therefore, the dragon?
Do you see the problem with your tactic of insulting without providing andy basis? It can easily be turned back on yourself because you offer NO CRITERIA TO SHOW YOUR BELIEFS ARE CORRECT AND MINE ARE NOT.
—You see, what all the false prophets out there teach, is that you only need to say you believe in Jesus and you are saved.
They take verses in the Bible out of context and say, “see, it says you only need to believe to be saved!” —
Who is taking verses out of context here? You have a demonstrated lack of understanding of modern mainstream Christianity. And unlike your church, mainstream Christianity’s doctrines are all openly displayed and explained for easy referencing and understanding.
So anyway… The antinomianists believed that life following Jesus is 100% free from moral restrictions. Those who believe such are condemned as heretics by the mainstream church. Therefore, any earnest search would reveal that NO MAINSTREAM CHRISTIAN CHURCH advocates a life of sin, sex and ignoring God’s commands to live a holy life. Do more research, don’t just swallow what your leaders recite to you.
—For example, if Jesus says that you must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life, then you can either believe his words or not.
In fact, he did say this in John 6:53. So if you believe in Jesus, but refuse to eat his flesh and blood to have eternal life, then do you really believe in Jesus?—
Wait, wait… Didn’t you, in an earlier comment, CONDEMN Catholics for practising the rite of the Eucharist? They believe this verse literallly means flesh and blood. When did you change stance 180 degrees?
On all your explanations about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit… The mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one… Yet are also three. Thus they are referred to almost interchangeably… But not quite.
For doesn’t Jesus Himself say, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do”? (Luke 23:34) And again and again, Jesus talks to His Father… Yet is not mumbling to HIMSELF. It is clear in the Gospels that Jesus considered the Father to be separate from the Son. The Son has the essence of the Father so that ‘Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father’, but that does not mean that the Father IS the Son… Merely that they have the same essence, the same will, the same goals, the same thinking.
The Trinity explains much of the confusion surrounding Father = Son = Spirit, while allowing the Son to talk to the Father without being schizophrenic.
—The name Jesus was not in the old testament—
Actually, it is. The name Jesus means ‘YHWH is salvation’, which in Hebrew can be rendered Yeshu or Yeshua. Yeshu transliterates to Iesus in Greek and Jesus in English and Yesus in other languages. Yeshua translated to English is Joshua.
You could try reading more Bible commentarys. Oops, you can’t – the collective knowledge of 2000 years of mainstream Christian researchers and theologians is corrupted and evil to you, right? And your church’s few decades of teachings overrules the rest of the body of Christ the world over right?
—In Revelation 22:17 it says The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Who are the ones that hear the words “Come!” ? Who are the ones that should come to take the free gift of the water of life from the Spirit and the bride?
What do you think Stephy? Obviously it is God’s people who need the water of life (eternal life).
Then how can the bride in revelation be God’s people. It is impossible. The bride in this context can only be God.—
Your exgesis is very flawed. In the verse you quote, not only do the Spirit and the Bride say ‘Come!’, but so do the listeners! So the life-thirsty listeners simply repeat the invitation to other thirsty people!
Yes it is God who gives the water of life, but the verse itself says that he who hears will repeat the invitation. So we believers who are the bride join with the Spirit in calling ‘Come!’ to the unbelievers, and those who choose to hear our message then join us and call out ‘Come!’ to their family and friends. Or is it just God hearing Himself now?
How does this one single, solitary verse make the bride = God when many other verses place the bride as human believers – like Revelation 19:7-9, “Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)” The saints wear their righteous acts like fine linen.
Or John 3:26-29, regarding John the Baptist:
“They came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—well, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him.”
To this John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ[j] but am sent ahead of him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete.”
In context, he was saying that followers and believers (the bride) belong to Jesus (the bridegroom), which makes the friend (John the Baptist) happy.
—Paul testified that the heavenly Jerusalem (bride) is our mother.
At the same time he identified God’s people as children.
Do you see the dilemma here if you insist that the bride in revelation is God’s people?—
No, I don’t see the dilemma. YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN THE DILEMMA.
Your tactic seems to be to ask a question – “Do you see why, do you know what?” and never explain what it is we are supposed to see or know. This lends a false air of authority to your words, without giving any substantial basis for the correctness of your interpretation. It makes it seem your doctrine has a logical, rational interpretation when it might not at all. EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN.
—Yes, God’s people or the church can represent the bride of Christ. We do not deny this biblical teaching.—
Well, I go further to say that the teaching that the bride is God is not applicable anytime at all – it ALWAYS stands for the believers.
—Then the Bible says that the Jerusalem that came down from heaven is our mother. So the Bible testifies that in heaven we have a spiritual father and mother and we are God’s children.
But yet you refuse to accept or understand this simple Biblical teaching. —
That’s because the teaching is not simple, but instead very confusing, relying on a convoluted interpretation of a single verse, and out of synch with the rest of the Bible.
The term “New Jerusalem” occurs twice in the New Testament. But the “new” in the “New Jerusalem” comes from the Greek word “kainos”, which has a meaning different from “neos”, the other Greek word usually translated into English as “new”.
“Neos” refers to something newly created, whereas “kainos” means something old that has been refreshed and cleansed. So it doesn’t imply that a new Jerusalem will be set up (in Korea or wherever) and manifested as a literal woman, but rather that the old Jerusalem will be cleansed and renewed. And old Jerusalem already exists as a physical city.
Or do you only read the Korean version of the Bible? Is it even the same Bible that the rest of the world uses, as backed up by 14000 historical manuscript copies in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek?
—God made all life, correct? Then what was God’s will in having all life come through father and mother?
The Bible says that by God’s will all things were created. By looking at God’s creation, we can understand God’s invisible qualities.
Just as father and mother give physical life, our spiritual father and mother give us spiritual life.
This is not a hard concept to understand. What is your objection to this?—
Bacteria reproduce by asexual division. Most don’t have even have a sex. Viruses reproduce by hijacking and killing other cells. So God in heaven does these things as well? Since they are a ‘reflection’ of heavenly things.
The angels in heaven don’t have marriage. God created them. So does this example of Gods’ creation show that God is not prone to marriage, which is the opposite of what you say about a Heavenly Father and Mother?
Besides, why do you base a whole doctrine of a Heavenly Mother on one very disputed verse, when elsewhere in the ENTIRE BIBLE God is never mentioned as a Mother, or daughter, or bride, or she, or her… Only as a Father, Son, He, Him, His? Never female, ALWAYS male. Does one single verse overturn two Testaments of deliberate masculine wording?
—If you break your fixed concepts and examine what the Bible says, you will see the truth.—
If you break the fixed concepts that your church has indoctrined into you, you will see the truth.
—When the very one the claimed to believe in came as prophesied, they crucified him. In the same way, everybody claims they believe in Jesus, but know that he has come in accordance with all the prophecies, they reject him. God has again exposed the disbelief of those who claim to believe.
You ignorant people wait for some miracle in the sky. Do you not know that the Jews 2000 years ago could not accept Jesus because they thought the appearance of their Messiah would be a glorious and majestic event.—
Once again, I ask you: What criteria is there to show that Ahnsahnghong was really the Christ, and not Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple, David Koresh of the Branch Davidians, Marshall Applewhite of Heaven’s Gate, José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia, Ayah Pin of Negara Langit and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church?
They all claimed to be Christ. They used the same arguments against asking for signs and unbeliving and being called a cult by ‘Pharisees’ as you. What makes them wrong and you right?
–Yet you reject Christ Ahnsahnghong. It is because you do not really believe in the Bible.—
One final note regarding the Christness of Ahnsahnghong… Jesus often referred to Himself as the Christ, the Messiah. He was very sure of His own divine identity.
But according to the introduction at http://www.ahnsahnghong.info/ ‘Who do the WMS Church of God worship?’>, Ahnsahnghong NEVER IN HIS WHOLE LIFE AND ALL HIS WRITINGS THOUGHT OF HIMSELF AS CHRIST.
It was all added in only AFTER his death by his ex-lover Chung Gil Cha – the woman who calls herself the ‘Holy Mother Jerusalem’ and God.
Do YOU care to verify or disprove that piece of information? Is it true or not true that Ahnsahnghong’s own writings never mentioned that he believed himself to be the second coming of Christ?
By: Scott Thong on July 16, 2007
at 3:32 pm
—The Bible testifies that in the last days, it is the false christs and false prophets that will be performing miracles and great signs to decieve even the elect.
So if you are looking for miracles as your sign, then I feel sorry for you. —
Even though no one asked for signs and wonders, yet Jesus performed miracles to prove His ordination by God.
When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign, what did He reply?
“He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” – Matthew 12:39-40
So even when asked for a sign, Jesus gave the sign of Jonah.
When Paul and Barnabas preached the good news of Jesus Christ in the Greek cities, God caused miracles to happen ‘to confirm the message of His grace.’
“So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders.” – Acts 14:3
It is true, however, that the false prophets of the evil one will also perform miraculous feats.
So this much is very clear: Prophets who are sent with a new message from a supernatural being can perform miraculous signs and wonders.
And if they can’t, they’re probably just ORDINARY PEOPLE.
So what amazing things set Ahnsahnghong and Chung Gil Cha apart from ordinary, everyday people? If there is nothing special about them, then anyone can be a prophet too!
Hey, I can just claim to be the second coming of Christ and say that all those who claimed to be before me are false Christs. After all, if I don’t need anything special or out of the ordinary to set me apart from fakes, liars, tricksters, charlatans, crazy people or the deluded, who is to say that I am NOT the Christ?
By what criteria is Ahnsahnghong judged to be the true second coming of Christ, whereas Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple, David Koresh of the Branch Davidians, Marshall Applewhite of Heaven’s Gate, José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia, Ayah Pin of Negara Langit and Jung Myung Seok of Providence Church, and MYSELF are not?
By: Scott Thong on July 17, 2007
at 8:30 am
Thank you Scott for showing that Ryan is wrong and cannot back up his points, the reason being is that these are the only things he is probably taught.
RYAN: Can you please prove my other points wrong?
The bible clearly explains in Revelations how Jesus Christ will return also in:
Acts 1:11 says: “This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”>>>>>> the bible also says that beleivers and non beleivers will witness the second coming, and that christ will come when all nations gather against Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:3 and 14:2-3)
Yes, you chose to ignore these, because your second coming Christ did not fulfill these prophesies, he didn’t even claim to be the second coming Christ, he himself called Jesus the second coming Christ, maybe you should read some of your Christ’s books, he was a bible scholar.
So i am not looking to the sky asking for a miracle, i already believe in Christ as my lord and savior, but if the bible gives us specific prophesies to await, then those are the ones I believe.
Correct me if im wrong (don’t quote me on this), the COG uses the Order of Melchizedek to prove the second coming Christ, but wasn’t Melchizedek in the old testament a king to set up the church for Jesus Christ’s coming?(first coming), not the second coming?
By: Stephy on July 18, 2007
at 8:17 am
I WILL CORRECT YOUR POINTS. YOU ARE WITNESSING 2ND COMING CHRIST THRU OUR PREACHING, AND YOU ARE REJECTING THE LORD, THEY SAID JESUS WAS COMING ON THE CLOUDS, BUT DID HE? NO!! HE CAME IN THE FLESH, THEY SAID 2ND COMING IS COMING ON A CLOUD DID HE? NO!! HE CAME IN THE FLESH, CLOUDS MEAN FLRESH IN THE BIBLE, STUDY MY FRIEND, A FALSE PROPHET IS LIKE A CLOUD WITHOUT WATER, PEOPLE ARE REFERRED TO AS CLOUDS IN THE BIBLE, SINCE WHEN DO YOU SEE CHARRIOTS AND AN APPEARANCE COMING IN THE SKY, YOU NEED TO READ, SINCE THE BEGINNIG OF THE BIBLE, MEN COULD NEVER SEE GOD, OR THEY WOULD DIE, EVEN GOD CAME TO MOSES AS A BURNING BUSH, IF GOD COMES IN THE SKY, WE WILL ALL DIE, WE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, WE ARE SINNERS!! GOD IS PURE, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN SEE GOD IS IN THE FLESH,,,,,, CLOUDS!! THINK ABOUT IT, GOD IS THE LIGHT, BRIGHTER THAN THE SUN, WE WILL ALSO BE BLINDED, THATS WHY GOD MADE THE CLOUDS THE WAY THAT THEY ARE, LISTEN…… THE CLOUDS BLOCK THE SUNLIGHT AND GIVE US SHADE, JUST LIKE THE CLOUDS, GODS FLESH, BLOCK HIS LIGHT, HIS GLORY IS UNSEEN, A CLOUD BLOCKS THE SUN, THE FLESH BLOCKS GODS LIGHT, YOU SEE GOD CREATED THIS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY CLOUDS MEAN FLESH IN THE BIBLE,,,,,, STUDY STEPHY
By: A WARNING FROM on April 8, 2010
at 4:39 am
Thanks for your questions Scott. I will answer them.
-What is the second coming’s role?
John 14:23 — Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching……24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching…..25″All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 15:26 — “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
John16:5 — “Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
12″I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth.
Matthew 12:32 — Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Hebrews 9:28 — so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
The only way to receive salvation (eternal life) is through the flesh and blood of Christ which is given to us through the Passover Bread and Wine.
This is in the Bible is it not?
This Christian Passover was kept by the early Christians, but then was abolished by the Catholic Church in 325 A.D. Then Christ must come to bring back the way to eternal life.
It is even prophesied in the old testament.
Isaiah 25:6 – On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare
a feast of rich food for all peoples,
a banquet of aged wine—
the best of meats and the finest of wines.
7 On this mountain he will destroy
the shroud that enfolds all peoples,
the sheet that covers all nations;
8 he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove the disgrace of his people
from all the earth.
The LORD has spoken.
9 In that day they will say,
“Surely this is our God;
we trusted in him, and he saved us.
This is the LORD, we trusted in him;
let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”
Hebrews 9:28 and Isaiah 25:9 are mated verses.
In Isaiah 25:6-9, what is this feast with “aged” wine that has the ability to destroy death forever?
It can only be the Passover. It is the only feast in the Bible celebrated with wine that has the power to destroy death (eternal life).
It is aged, because it has not been celebrated for hundreds of years. But when it is brought back by God in the last days, God’s people will say, “surely this is our God”.
What do you think of these words in the Bible I’m showing you? It is self explainatory.
-You ask on what objective basis do I argue that Protestant teachings are ‘rules taught by men’ whereas Ahnsahnghong’s teachings are not.
Are you kidding me Scott?
Must I illustrate once again? Very well then.
Is Christmas the birthday of Jesus? No it is not, it was celebrated as the birth of the sun god by pagans before Christianity was diluted by paganism. If you do not know this, then do the research.
Christmas = man made tradition
Passover = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)
Was easter celebrated by the early Christians? No it was not. Easter has pagan roots and is a celebration of the fertility godess Estre. This is where we find the origin of easter eggs and such. This is a pagan, man-made tradition that is celebrated in the name of Christ.
What SHOULD be kept, is the Biblical resurrection day which falls on the first sunday after the first day of the feast of unleavened bread according to the sacred calendar. Biblically known as the Day of firstfruits.
Easter falls on the Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. This calculation is based not on the Bible, but by man.
Easter = man-made tradition
Resurrection Day = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)
Cross reverence is idolatry according to the Bible. Early Christians did not teach the erecting or carrying of crosses as signs of Christianity. Showing reverence to any idol made with the hands is detestable to God almighty. The idolatry of the cross also has pagan origins. Research this yourself.
Cross reverence = man-made tradition.
Cross reverence is forbidden = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)
Jesus and the early Christians kept the Sabbath day. Not according to the law of Moses, but the Law of Christ. Sabbath is mentioned over 6000 times in the Bible. It is a weekly memorial of God’s creation. It is the day we are to worship God in spirit and in truth as taught by Jesus Christ. The enforcement of Sunday worship appeared in the 4th century by the Catholic Church. Pagan Rome worshipped the sun god before the integration with Christianity.
Weekly Sunday worship = man-made tradition
Keep the Sabbath holy = Biblical teaching (Ahnsahnghong)
Scott, when I used the verses 1 John 2:23 and Matt 7:21, I was not trying to use that as a personal attack on you.
I apologize that you took it that way.
I want people to see what the Bible says and they can make up their own mind. I want people to look at the church they go to and ask themselves if their church follows man made traditions or God’s commands.
Once they honestly answer those questions, they can then see why those verses are powerful.
Only God will judge Scott, I am just exposing those who are hypocrites. This is the mission of the last saints that are to appear in these last days. False prophets are exposed by using the word of God.
If you are following God’s commands then you do not need to be defensive.
You say that I offer no criteria to show my beliefs are correct and yours are not.
I cannot beleive what I am reading Scott. It is so clear, yet you cannot see. HELLO SCOTT, we keep the teachings of the Bible! in other words the WORD OF GOD!
Keeping Passover of the New Covenant is the word of God. Do you keep Passover Scott? No you say?
Then you are not keeping the commands of God. What does that make you ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?
I do not need to make accusations. Let actions, let the word of God speak for themselves.
Here, let me make it crystal clear to you Scott.
Those who follow teachings of Christ = followers of Christ
Those who do not follow the teachings of Christ = followers of man made traditions.
And yes Scott, I CONDEMN Catholics for keeping the Eucharist.
Did Jesus say in Luke 22 that he eagerly desired to eat this Eucharist or did he say I eagerly desire to eat this PASSOVER?
Eating Passover bread (flesh) and Passover wine (blood) falls on the 14th day of the 1st month according to the sacred calendar.
The Eucharist is not the Passover.
Therefore the Eucharist is not the equivalent to Passover.
So keeping Eucharist is not eating Jesus’ flesh and blood. It is just eating bread and wine.
Only on the night of the Passover did he appoint the bread and wine as his flesh and blood. Eucharist is not Passover my friend.
-You still insist that Jesus and Jehovah are separate entities.
Absolutely amazing. I showed you verses that prove that Jesus and Jehovah are one entity, not two.
But you use a typical Jehovah witness argument claiming that if Jesus and Jehovah were the same, then Jesus must be crazy.
Jehovah God came to this earth in the flesh as the son of God. He was the perfect example for us to become the sons of God.
Did Jesus need to pray? be baptized? eat the passover for eternal life? keep Sabbath?
Of course not, he is God. He did these things to set the examples for us.
Apostle Paul said to follow his example as he follows the example of Christ.
There many many prophecies in the old testament of God coming in the flesh, yet you throw these out the window. You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3 – “There will be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine; but according to their own lusts will heap to themselves teachers itching in hearing, tickling their ears; and shall turn away their hearing indeed from the truth, but they shall be converted unto fables.”
When you understand first that it was prophesied that God almighty would come to the earth as a son, only then can you begin to understand why Jesus spoke the way he did.
In Mark, Jesus went up to a fig tree that he knew was not in season to look for figs on it. When he did not find any, he spoke to the tree and cursed it.
Is Jesus crazy for doing such a thing?
He did this for a reason and it was to show the meaning of the parable of the fig tree that he spoke of to his disciples.
Yes, Jesus spoke to God the Father as the Son of God even though Jesus IS the Father. This does not make him crazy.
And I’m sorry Scott, but YHWH and YESHUA are two different words.
Jesus’ name (Yeshua) was not in the old testament, nice try though.
And about Rev. 22. You want to talk about eisegesis huh?
2000 years ago, it was Jesus who said during the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles, that he had the water of life (eternal life) and whoever came to him, streams of living water would flow within him.
It is because only Jesus (God in the flesh) has the authority to give the water of life.
Now it is prophesied that in the last days, it is the Spirit AND the bride who is giving the water of life.
Nowhere in Rev. 22:17 did it say that the bride was God’s people. You want to talk about eisegesis.
Those who hear the Spirit and the bride are us who want to be saved. In this context, the bride is not us. Read the verse again Scott.
It is eisegesis to say that this bride in Revelation is God’s people.
Mark 2:19 — And Jesus said to them, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while the bridegroom is still with them?..”
The guests here are referred to as the disciples (God’s people).
Who are the ones that are invited to a wedding, Scott? It is the guests that are invited.
Rev. 19:9 – And he said to me, write: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding of the Lamb….
Those who are invited to the wedding (the guests) are God’s people. This is quite clear. Don’t sit there and try to claim that this is eisegesis.
How can God’s people be both the guests and the bride? That makes no sense at all.
The Bible testifies that the bride (Jerusalem from above) is our mother.
This is straight from the Bible my friend. If you want to argue with the Bible, then go right on ahead.
So if the bride in revelation (heavenly Jerusalem) is God’s people like YOU claim, then why did Paul say that she is our mother??
Then he went on to say that we (God’s people) are children. So do you think that God’s people can be referred to as children AND as mother?
How do you answer this Scott? I would like to hear it.
You wanted an explanation of the “dilemma”, so here you have it.
Like I said before, it is true that God’s people can be referred to those that are married to Christ. This concept is even shown through Adam (Christ) and Eve (God’s people).
But you fail to understand that the bride has two different meanings depending in the context in which it is used. Just as with the term “lamb”.
In my next post, I will prove to you through the Bible, without a doubt, that Jerusalem mother is God.
In regards to your repetitious argument that Christ Ahnsahnghong never said he was the Christ, that argument is so weak.
Jesus Christ also used the scriptures to prove he was the Christ. (Luke 24:45)
In the same way, Christ Ahnsahnghong used the scriptures to prove he was second coming Christ.
Let me ask you then Scott. If he said, ” I, Ahnsahnghong, am the second coming Christ”, you would then believe?
How can you recognize second coming Christ Scott? By hearing someone say “I am second coming Christ”, or by fulfillment of prophecy?
The answer is obvious. You do not even know everything when it comes to what Christ Ahnsahnghong taught, so you speak out of ignorance.
In his Books of Truth that he wrote, the preface said that what we were about to read was a last warning from God.
Meaning the message of salvation, the truth, that he has brought is brought from God, (Ahnsahnghong).
You like to look at everything but the prophecies in the Bible. It is because your attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong cannot be done through the Bible.
And Stephy, I understand what you are saying about acts 1:11.
I am not ignoring this, but I thought I addressed this already.
Jesus Christ will return in the flesh just as he went up to heaven. You and general Christians interpret this as meaning, Jesus will come floating out of the sky on a cloud.
Remember when prophet Elijah was taken up to heaven in the flesh in a whirlwind? The jews know that Elijah will return before the coming of their Messiah. They are still waiting for Elijah to come with majestic glory from the sky, since that is the way he went up to heaven.
In reality, Elijah came in the flesh just as he went up. He came as John the Baptist. John was born as a baby, he did not come floating out of the sky.
The bible says that everything written in the past was to teach us. Why can’t you accept the fact that Christ will appear again in the flesh?
You take verses in Matt 24 literally, knowing full well that Jesus spoke in parables. The cloud spiritually represents the flesh.
Anyways, which continent do you think second coming Christ will appear over? If it is over U.S.A. then will the Christians in China see him?
Don’t make the same mistake as the Jews did 2000 years ago my friends.
I will write more about melchizedek and the reality of Jerusalem in the last days.
Please think about what is being said here instead of reacting so defensively. Im sorry that I get a little frustrated, It is just that I’m showing you that we keep the commands in the Bible, and I get persecuted for it. I know how the apostles felt 2000 years ago.
God Bless You
By: Ryan on July 19, 2007
at 8:56 am
—The only way to receive salvation (eternal life) is through the flesh and blood of Christ which is given to us through the Passover Bread and Wine.—
Then what about these verses, which say:
“But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved. (Ephesians 2:4-5)
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)
“Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” (Acts 15:10-11)
“But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life — not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. (2 Timothy 1:8-10)
How many verses do we see where it says that it is God’s freely given grace – NOT anything we can do – that saves us?
Maybe you can say that we must be obedient to God to have salvation. But by no means does that mean the Passover itself GIVES salvation! Only God gives salvation. Lifting up a ritual to the status of God is idolatry.
—This Christian Passover was kept by the early Christians, but then was abolished by the Catholic Church in 325 A.D. Then Christ must come to bring back the way to eternal life. —
Actually, promoting an eating/drinking ritual as the means of salvation that is exactly what the Roman Catholics do – they have the Sacrament of the Eucharist, which is necessary for salvation.
But wait… Why do we mainstream churches call it Holy Communion, not Passover? Could it be because WE ARE NOT JEWS?
An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the LORD’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of it.” (Exodus 12:48-49)
Are you a Jew? Are you even circumcised? Even if you are circumsized, does that make you an Israelite who follows all the Mosaic laws? If not, how can you presume to partake of the Passover?
What we should celebrate is not the Passover… But rather, practice the Last Supper the way Jesus told us to:
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
(Luke 22:19-20)
Does Passover or eating bread or dirnking wine save us? Is it the method to obtain God’s forgiveness?
NO! It is done in remembrance of Jesus’ sacrifice – the act which REALLY brings salvation!
—Are you kidding me Scott?
Must I illustrate once again? Very well then.
Is Christmas the birthday of Jesus? No it is not, it was celebrated as the birth of the sun god by pagans before Christianity was diluted by paganism. If you do not know this, then do the research.—
Are YOU kidding me? Or just being intentionally stubborn and misleading on what Protestants rellay believe?
You do not answer my original questions at all, merely delve into yet another repetition of your straw-man accusations.
You please tell me which Christian denomination in the world teaches that Christmas and Easter ARE NECESSARY FOR SALVATION./b> Me and my family did not even celebrate these holidays for decades, and guess what? WE ARE STILL SAVED. Rituals and celebrations have NO EFFECT on that.
Your continued attempts to win an argument by pinning idolizing a pagan tradition mainstream Christians to is a dishonest tactic.
Here, read the following. It is a summary of what mainstream Protestant Christians REALLY believe. Please don’t come and spout false accusations due to your poor understanding (or is it your church’s teaching?).
http://www.ccci.org/statement_of_faith.html
8. The salvation of man is wholly a work of God’s free grace and is not the work, in whole or in part, of human works or goodness or religious ceremony. God imputes His righteousness to those who put their faith in Christ alone for their salvation, and thereby justified them in His sight.
And who is the one who chose the cross as the symbol of the faith? Man, or God?
How many times does the Bible mention the cross? In 1st Corinthians 1:18 the Bible describes the cross as the GREAT POWER OF GOD. In Colossians 2:15, the Bible describes the cross as the GLORY OF GOD. In 1st Corinthians 1:18 the Bible describes the cross as the WISDOM OF GOD.
Was it man who ordered the Israelites to march into the Promised Land in the shape of a cross, or was it God? Tell me how the Catholics or Protestants managed to go back in time and order the Israelite army to make a pagan symbol.
—I want people to see what the Bible says and they can make up their own mind. I want people to look at the church they go to and ask themselves if their church follows man made traditions or God’s commands.—
So do I, Ryan, so do I. I wish the same of you. There are millions of books and websites explaining why mainstream churches believe this or that, or disbelieve that or this. Many are very well written and make perfect sense, while relying solely on the Bible for proof.
—Absolutely amazing. I showed you verses that prove that Jesus and Jehovah are one entity, not two.—
That is so true! They are one entity. But they are also three (including the Holy Spirit) entities! I will repeat my very straightforward argument: Jesus calls on the Father, yet refers to Himself as the Son.
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)
Jesus plainly calls God His Father. So how can Jesus be God, yet call on His Father? The mainstream explanation for this is simple.
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct entities with distinct personalities… Yet they are one. That is the doctrine of the Trinity… 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. Yeah, it’s pretty hard to grasp… But I make no apologies for it.
—2 Timothy 4:3 – “There will be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine; but according to their own lusts will heap to themselves teachers itching in hearing, tickling their ears; and shall turn away their hearing indeed from the truth, but they shall be converted unto fables.”—
Amazingly, we mainstreamers use the same verse applied to your church! So who is right and who is misguided? Who follows God’s teaching and who follow’s man’s?
Only an objective study of Scripture will decide fairly, and I am confident that your exegesis of the Bible does not stand up to scrutiny. Sorry to say.
—And I’m sorry Scott, but YHWH and YESHUA are two different words.
Jesus’ name (Yeshua) was not in the old testament, nice try though.—
You misread. I stated (and you can check above) that Yeshua means ‘YHWH is salvation’. Joshua’s name is in the Old Testament, and has the same meaning of ‘YHWH is salvation’. So although the exact spelling may not be there, the name’s meaning is there.
—You like to look at everything but the prophecies in the Bible. It is because your attempt to discredit Ahnsahnghong cannot be done through the Bible.—
How so? I believe that many prophecies of the Bible DISCREDIT Ahnsahnghong, such as the following many about the Second Coming of Christ:
“After he (Jesus) said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”(Acts 1:9-11)
JESUS WILL RETURN FROM ABOVE. He did not go into Heaven as a baby. Your citing of Elijah is meaningless – he were born as humans, but he left in amazing display! Same for Jesus, and the angels clearly said that He would return in an amazing display.
But even if not, the whole world will see Jesus’ return with their own eyes:
“Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” (Matthew 24:29-31)
JESUS WILL RETURN AFTER TRIBULATION AND SCARY SIGNS IN THE SKIES.
EVERYONE WILL SEE HIM CLEARLY.
WE WILL ALL BE GATHERED TO HIM.
I would like to ask: The Mormons and Reverend Moon and many others also claimed the Second Coming already happened.
Please try to answer my question the best you can: What makes your claim that Ahnsahnghong is the second coming superior and more true than their claim? They also claim that it all happened in secret… How can we disprove them?
—Anyways, which continent do you think second coming Christ will appear over? If it is over U.S.A. then will the Christians in China see him?—
Oh, is that why? Do you forget that Jesus, being God, can appear to all men at once? We can all pray to him simultaneously what. And of course, there’s that little thing called television… But I feel that cheapens His power and connection to men.
—Please think about what is being said here instead of reacting so defensively. Im sorry that I get a little frustrated, It is just that I’m showing you that we keep the commands in the Bible, and I get persecuted for it. I know how the apostles felt 2000 years ago.—
I apologize too if I sound very critical or defensive. It’s just that, I firmly believe that yoru church’s techings are not sound. The arguments you use have been used by many misguided cults before – yes, even the Jehovah’s Witnesses!
And you have a poor understanding of what mainstream Protestants REALLY BELIEVE. Don’t just adopt what your elders tell you – they are human too, might they not be mistaken? Search online for yourself what churches say their statement of faith really is.
I want to ask again: Is it true that Ahnsahnghong NEVER IN HIS WHOLE LIFE AND ALL HIS WRITINGS THOUGHT OF HIMSELF AS CHRIST? That it was all added in only AFTER his death by his ex-lover Chung Gil Cha – the woman who calls herself the ‘Holy Mother Jerusalem’ and God?
You have access to Ahnsahnghong’s writings and books, right? Read through them and tell me what you find. Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Simple question. I’ll repeat it five times so I can hopefully get an answer:
Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
Did Ahnsahnghong ever say he was the Christ or not? Or was Chung Gil Cha the first to claim so?
I await your reply.
In the end, what is the truly important thing? That we obey God to the best of our conscience correct? I am confident that if we do so, He will lead us to the truth (whether it is my belief or yours).
I shall end with this comment with a passage regarding both Passover and keeping the Sabbath:
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:13-17)
God bless you too. I really hope that you will think over why so many people are not convinced of your church’s interpretation. God’s will.
By: Scott Thong on July 20, 2007
at 3:17 pm
Hello everyone. I’ve been trying to read through the posts but the words are so small, hurts a bit.
Anyway Ryan, I have a few questions for you. Hopefully you can shed some light.
1. Was Ahnsahnghong perfect, like Jesus?
2. Who saw Ahnsahnghong acsend?
3. If Buddhism is a false religion, how is it that God allowed a Christ to be born from them?
4. Are Ahnsahnghong’s parents burning in hell since they were Buddhist? When did God favor anyone in the bible who didn’t worship him?
“ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE”, what did God do to those who did not worship him and chose to worship another “god”?
I’m just trying to find the connection between the two because it seem as though God contradicted himself. It’s just weird how God despised Idol worshippers so much in the bible that he slaughterd thousands of them, only to turn around and allow perfection to come from imperfection.
But, if Ahnsahnghong wasn’t perfect, then that would explain it all.
Thanks,
– James
By: King James on July 20, 2007
at 5:20 pm
My kids have been in this cult for about 2 years in NJ. They have lied to me and deceived me, they’ve borrowed money and not bothered to repay it. They have become strangers to us as we will not allow them to preach to us. They refuse to talk to us because I speak out against their church. Stay the hell away from them! You will lose your money, your freedom, your individuality and your family.
By: pat on July 20, 2007
at 11:35 pm
Also Scott,
Read Ryan’s words very carefully. Members of the COG like to set traps. They use the words of Jesus and ask why you do not follow his words. They also try to use it for someone to argue against it, then call the person a blasphemer afterwards.
They also use those words to make a person feel guilty. That is turns into fear and that fear is then used to get the person to join their church.
Very tricky with words they are.
– James
By: King James on July 21, 2007
at 1:21 am
1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
By: pat on July 21, 2007
at 2:43 am
Sorry….that was from Galations….
By: pat on July 21, 2007
at 3:36 am
Yes Scott, the verses you point out regarding God’s grace is correct. I totally agree with you.
So do you understand what it means through “God’s grace” we are saved?
Jesus gave us his blood through the Passover so our sins can be forgiven and we can have eternal life. There is no conflict with the verses you show and the fact that we must have Jesus’ blood in us, which is done through the Passover.
Im just trying to show you what is said in the Bible, that is it. Im not trying to be “tricky” like Mr. King James know it all claims.
Let us see some mated verses.
Ephesians 1:7 — In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.
Let us see its mated verse.
Matthew 26:26 — While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
I do not think any explaination is necessary here. It is quite clear.
You say we are not Jews. Really Scott, have you really been reading your Bible lately?
Galatians 3: 29 — If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Those who accept Christ (God in the flesh) are considered spiritual Jews.
Romans 2:28 — A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.
The physical Jews kept the Passover according to the
Law of Moses. We, spiritual Israelites (those who accept Christ) keep the Passover according to the Law of Christ as Jesus set the example.
And the reality of circumcision is baptism.
As it is written: Colossians 2:11 — In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
After being baptized, we can then partake in Jesus’ body and be one with Christ through the Passover.
Do you know the profound meaning of the Passover?
The physical Israelites escaped physical slavery of over 400 years through God’s great power of the Passover. The last plague “passed over” those who had the blood of the lamb on their doorframes.
The Passover of the old testament is a shadow of the Passover of the New Testament.
Through the Passover, Jesus (reality of the Passover Lamb) freed us from spirutual slavery to death. Only by eating Jesus’ flesh and blood can we receive eternal life.
As it is written: John 6:53 — Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
These are Jesus’ words, not mine. You have faith in Jesus correct? Then he said you must eat his flesh and blood, did he not?
He have us his precious blood on the night of the Passover.
By keeping the Passove of the New Covenant, we are free from death, receiving eternal life.
Also in the last days, the plagues will come upon the people of the world. Those with the seal of God will not be harmed as it is written in Rev. 7. The seal of God is the blood of Jesus (Passover).
The Jews who kept the Passover escaped the plagues brought upon Egypt (representing sinful world). The blood was a sign.
The reality however is found in Christ. Those who keep the Passover of the New Covenant, having the blood of Christ, will escape the last plagues to be brought upon the world.
Yes Scott, you are right, Jesus said to do this in remembrance of me. Then do God’s will and do it.
You say I am not addressing your original questions. Wow Scott. I could see why you say that since I am exposing your folly. I cant blame you for making such a statement.
Straw man accusations? Sure Scott.
Anyways, let me continue addressing you points.
Thank you for showing me what Protestants REALLY believe. Wow! Really!, protestants believe that through faith in Jesus, they are saved! Thank you for letting me know, I had no idea.
What is your point here Scott. Yes I believe that it is important to have faith in Jesus too. That is why I obey his teachings.
Are you oblivious of the fact that general Protestantism keep pagan traditions? Do you think that this is ok in the eyes of God?
How do you justify cross reverence with 1 Corinthians 1:18 and Colossians 2:15.
Yes Jesus died on the cross and through his death, his promise of the new covenant was put into effect. His GREAT POWER of giving us eternal life could be put into effect through his death on the cross.
As it is written by apostle Paul: Hebrews 9:16 — In the case of a will,[d] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Will is the same meaning as covenant. Jesus promise of eternal life was put into effect after his death on the cross. Yes this is the GREAT POWER OF GOD.
So tell me again how that justifies erecting crosses and showing reverence to these idols. If Jesus died by the sword, then we should erect a sword on the church rooftop?
Where is your sound justification?
Jeremiah 2:
27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
They have turned their backs to me
and not their faces;
yet when they are in trouble, they say,
‘Come and save us!’
28 Where then are the gods you made for yourselves?
Let them come if they can save you
when you are in trouble!
Idolatry is forbidden in the Bible. The early church never engaged in casting crosses. This point is so clear. I can’t believe people actually try to justify this. Boggles the mind.
And yes I understand the doctrine of Trinitarianism that came out of the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. They could not come to a universal agreement, and the teaching of “3 in 1” stands as the explaination of the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
3 separate entities yet they are one. Let me show you a little problem with this theory.
Isaiah 44:24 — “This is what the LORD says—
your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
I am the LORD,
who has made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who spread out the earth by myself,
So Jehovah said he created everything by himself.
Then how do you explain this?
Colossians 1:6 — For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Then if Jesus and Jehovah are separate, then how many earths should we have? moons? sun? etc.
Jesus and Jehovah are one, period. You blindly accept this 3 in 1 nonsense because it originated hundreds of years ago??
God has played three roles over the 6000 year spiritual creation for our salvation. As the Father (old testament) as the son (1st coming of Christ) and as the Holy Spirit (2nd coming Christ).
Only one spirit, not three.
Are you proud of being considered a mainstreamer? Do you understand the meaning of the parable of the weeds?
Today there are many who proclaim to believe and follow Christ, but the majority follow according to man’s tradition, not God’s commands.
Will all who profess with their lips enter the kingdom of heaven Scott?
Matt 7: 21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Jesus has warned us that not all believers will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who obey. Will they be the many (mainstream) or the few (true followers of Christ)?
Matt 13:3 – “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
The Church of God restored by second coming Christ as prophesied in the Bible keeps all of God’s commands as the early Church of God did.
Tell me then how you can use those verses against our church. I would like to hear it.
Passover is in the Bible, Christmans is not.
Sabbath is in the Bible, Sunday worship is not.
Sisters wear veils because it is a teaching from the Bible.
You say pinning pagan traditions to mainstream Christianity is a dishonest tactic??
How is that dishonest? It is the truth. Pagan traditions should have no place in Christianity. Do you not agree with this?
You think that all you have to do to show you have faith is to say it with your mouth? You do not see the importance in obeying the word of God?
James 2:14 — What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?
James 2: 20 — You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
Now do you understand what faith is? Faith is obedience to God.
It is very simple.
You misread. I stated (and you can check above) that Yeshua means ‘YHWH is salvation’. Joshua’s name is in the Old Testament, and has the same meaning of ‘YHWH is salvation’. So although the exact spelling may not be there, the name’s meaning is there.
LIKE I SAID, the name Jesus (YESHUA) is not in the old testament.
That is all I said, and Im glad you agree with me.
My point in bringing this up is that the saviors name before Jesus came, was Jehovah. And when the disciples went around proclaiming only under the name of JESUS could they be saved, this was hard for people to accept. It was a new name.
I know what Yeshua means, but in the bigger picture, it is not important for our salvation. What is important, is God’s administration, his will for our salvation. Obeying the word of God is the way to salvation as taught in the Bible.
In the same way, the name Ahnsahnghong has a significant meaning, but it is not important to our salvation. It is irrelevant.
And when it comes to Acts 1:9, you just simply do not get it.
I understand that Jesus did not go into heaven as a baby. Do you read carefully what I write Scott??
He went up in the flesh. He will return in the flesh. It does not mean he has to come floating out of the sky.
Jesus also said: John 6:42 — They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
Jesus said he came down from heaven. Did Jesus come floating out of the sky?
How can you say my citing Elijah is meaningless??
Let me explain again. Yes, he left in amazing display, and that is how they expect him to return, since that is the way they saw him leave.
When Elijah came, did he come in amazing display? No he did not.
In the same way, people misinterpret scripture, take it literally, and think Jesus is going to come out of some magical light show in the sky.
How foolish. Like I said, Jesus spoke in parables. How foolish of you to think he is literally going to come surfing on a cloud.
The Bible also says he is going to come riding on a horse.
So he is going to be on a horse and he and the horse will be on some sort of cloud and somehow, everyone will be able to see him even though the world is round. Riiiight Scott.
Oh yeah I forgot, God can perform miracles and let everyone see him at the same time.
Remember, it is the false Christs and false prophets who will be using great signs and wonders in the last days to decieve. This is straight from the Bible my friend. Think about it.
Why don’t you try reading the Bible with your spiritual eyes rather than your physical eyes.
The Bible testifies that Christ is the light. When God spoke to the people on Mount Sinai, the light was too bright. They insisted that God appear to them through Moses.
So God came in a cloud, robed in the flesh, so the people can see and be taught by the light. But sadly, the people only saw the cloud (flesh) and not the light behind the cloud. They crucified the very one they claimed to believe in.
His coming in the flesh was a stumbling block as it is written:
1 peter 2:6 — For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.” 7Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone,” 8and,
“A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.
God’s coming contrary to man’s opinion will become a great stumbling block for those who believe. Only by recognizing and believing the prophecies in the bible, will we be able to recieve second coming Christ.
Reverend Moon is a corrupt con man who is entrenched in the New World Order. What biblical truths has he revealed as the second coming Christ. Has he brought the hidden manna as prophesied in Revelation 2? It is only Christ Ahnsahnghong who has.
The same can be said with the Mormons. They actually add to the Bible even though in Rev 22:18 warns us not to add or take away.
Ahnsahnghong is second coming Christ because he has fulfilled all the prophecies in the Bible. Do you think that I just easily and blindly accepted Ahnsahnghong as Christ?
I studied over and over the prophecies, since I am a skeptical person anyways. Just as Jesus fulfilled prophecy, Ahnsahnghong fulfilled prophecy, I put my trust in the word of God.
And in regards to your question about Ahnsahnghong claiming he is second coming Christ.
Did you not read what I said in my post? I already anwered this. You should read more carefully.
If Ahnsahnghong said, “I am second coming Christ, follow me if you want to be saved in these last days.”, would that make you believe Scott?
If not, then why do you ask such a question.
Anyways, I’ll give you an excerpt of the preface of one of his book of truths.
“As you see in the contents, these are the secrets of God, which you have never learned from general churches or theolgical schools. If only you study them, you will understand fully, And whoever wants do do the will of God, will acknowledge ths book as the last notice from God.
Author, Ahnsahnghong.
Ahnsahnghong preached the Passover of the New Covenant. He preached that Passover would be restored by second coming Christ. He preached that the prophetical King David that would appear in the last days must preach the Passover for the remaining 37 years to fulfill the reign of David.
Christ Ahnsahnghong was the one who did all these things.
And you still ask if he ever proclaimed himself to be Christ??
What do you still not understand Scott, really?
Yes, many people persecute us, just as people persecuted the early church. So what is your point? The truth will always be persecuted.
And when it comes to your last quoting of Colossians 2:13-17, I will address in my next post. These verses are famous among Christians who want to justify them not having to keep God’s commands.
If you understand what Paul is saying in its context then you will understand. I will illustrate later.
By: Ryan on July 21, 2007
at 7:56 am
Yes, I know who you are “Ryan” or should I say “John”. Are you the COG’s online preacher? You sure get around don’t ya, but I’m right behind ya buddy.
By the way, thanks for the compliment. Being called a “know it all” means alot, now worship me.
Oh and you said Ahnsahnghong was the one who did all of that stuff, well John or Ryan, how do you know this? Who saw him do these things? Let me guess, “Mother Jerusalem” was his only witness.
And stop crying persecution, EVERY church is being persecuted by other churches for the simple fact that they are not like them. If your church branches off into a sub denomination, it too will be “persecuted” by your church and others. It goes on and on.
Man, you just LOVE to feel special, ehh?
– James
By: King James on July 21, 2007
at 1:17 pm
If Ahnsahnghong said, “I am second coming Christ, follow me if you want to be saved in these last days.”
OR
I am Mother Jerusalem, follow me if you want to be saved in these last days.”
No big difference here, both couldn’t prove anything. One just happens to be alive, which makes it even worse. Yet people follow her just because she says so.
No one on earth has worked a miracle..NO ONE. No one has raised someone from death like Jesus. No one has healed like him. Every so-called “miracle” people claim that they have done are nothing but tricks. Nothing more, nothing less and if people can not tell the difference between then that’s too bad.
Most of these miracles are done in a church but anything performed outside of church would be impossible for these so these so called preachers that claim to “heal” or work miracles.
Even in the days when Jesus walked the earth, people were not working REAL miracles, they were nothing but tricks. If they were real then Jesus’ miracles would not be as unique as it is. No one has done what Jesus did..ever. Even when Moses’ staff turned into a snake, the Pharoah said that he was aware of those kinds of tricks…again tricks.
They were nothing but David Blaines. So much for Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem working miracles, they couldn’t pull a simple card trick if they’re life depended on it, yet they are God.
Would it mean something if Jesus came back and worked miracles, well in my opinion..yes. Because no one on this earth can. You have never seen anyone work a miracle and you never will, “Ryan”. Not even your Gods.
– James
By: King James on July 21, 2007
at 1:50 pm
Ahnsahnghong preached the Passover of the New Covenant. He preached that Passover would be restored by second coming Christ. He preached that the prophetical King David that would appear in the last days must preach the Passover for the remaining 37 years to fulfill the reign of David.
———-
Yet no one knew who he was when he preached this? For 37 years (which a very long time may I add) people were hearing the same BS by this guy about how Passover was abolished and how only one person can “restore it”. I’m sure he made his congregation observe the Passover or else he wouldn’t have done his job. Plus your Church’s website said he did, so how exactly did he come in secret and how is it possible that no one knew who he was until AFTER his death? Give me a break. He must have been preaching to blind people or the deaf or maybe sock puppets, since no one was aware that their church were the “only church” to observe Passover since no other church on Earth were doing so.
Then all of a sudden after 37 years, people woke up. After an hour of riding my bike, I crashed into a wall then realized that I was actually riding my bike. Make sense huh, yeaaaaa.
Dude, c’mon.
Let me use a scripture that you used above;
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James 2: 20 — You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
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So if Ahnsahnghong did what he preached, if his ACTIONS were as clear as the WORDS he preached, it would be impossible for anyone not to catch on and to put two and two together and figure out that he was the “second coming”. After 37 years of repetitive bible study and Sabbath worships and Tuesday services and Passovers, something should have clicked but apparently, those South Koreans in his congregation were clueless.
– James
By: King James on July 21, 2007
at 3:28 pm
Ryan, you said:
You say we are not Jews. Really Scott, have you really been reading your Bible lately?
Galatians 3: 29 — If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Those who accept Christ (God in the flesh) are considered spiritual Jews.
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What about those who accept Ahnsahnghong? Would they be considered spiritual Koreans?
– James
By: King James on July 22, 2007
at 2:45 pm
World Mission Society Church of God is a Cult, nothing but a Cult, always been a Cult, will always be a Cult. Fake Jesus, Fake Mother, the only thing real is the Money they take from you. Kurt Cobain said it best, Stay away.
By: Hawkeye ! on July 23, 2007
at 4:38 am
I gotta say one more thing, The Cast Iron Balls on these Motherfuckers is just beyond anything I’ve ever seen. They want us to believe that a man that banged half of the Ho’s in Korea, (that’s a lotta Ho’s) has Kids all over the place, left his bottom bitch in Charge of the store, (those of you from the hood like me, know what that means) and wore Glasses was “Jesus the II”. His Ho wears a Hearing-Aid and speaks only Korean, yet she invented Language. What a Crock of Freshly Shat SHITTTTTTTT.
YOU’RE A FUCKIN’ IDIOT !
(Outstanding way to put this in perspective)
“ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE”, what did God do to those who did not worship him and chose to worship another “god”? I’m just trying to find the connection between the two because it seem as though God contradicted himself. It’s just weird how God despised Idol worshippers so much in the bible that he slaughterd thousands of them, only to turn around and allow perfection to come from imperfection. But, if Fake Korean Jesus wasn’t perfect, then that would explain it all.
(and also)
Yet no one knew who he was when he preached this? For 37 years (which a very long time may I add) people were hearing the same BS by this guy about how Passover was abolished and how only one person can “restore it”. I’m sure he made his congregation observe the Passover or else he wouldn’t have done his job. Plus your Church’s website said he did, so how exactly did he come in secret and how is it possible that no one knew who he was until AFTER his death? Give me a break. He must have been preaching to blind people or the deaf or maybe sock puppets, since no one was aware that their church were the “only church” to observe Passover since no other church on Earth were doing so. Then all of a sudden after 37 years, people woke up. After an hour of riding my bike, I crashed into a wall then realized that I was actually riding my bike. Make sense huh, yeaaaaa.
Could not have said these thing better myself !
Swooping in from the highin the Sky, forever and I mean forever a thorn in their side,
Hawkeye !
By: Hawkeye ! on July 23, 2007
at 5:06 am
Ryan,
Who are you ?, who who, who who. Whoooooo are you ? who who, who who ! I really wanna know. What branch of this Cult are you from ? N.Y., N.J., Denver Chapter ? Your name really Zapien from California ? YOU ARE A FOOL. A FOOL OR LIER OR BOTH. Are Mothers teeth real ?
By: Hawkeye ! on July 23, 2007
at 5:12 am
Firstly, lay off the profanity Hawkeye! It’s already like gangbang here, half a dozen commenters jumping on Ryan. The least you could do is to be polite.
—How do you justify cross reverence with 1 Corinthians 1:18 and Colossians 2:15.—
Well, first off, it is in no way cross WORSHIP. Man, if I were to use a symbol with the letters MDCoC to stand for Modern Day Church of Christ, would that be idolatry? They are pagan inventions after all.
It is not wrong to have symbols. God Himself made one in the form of the bronze snake.
The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived. (Numbers 21)
Well, I was confused about this for a while. Wouldn’t it be idolatry to gaze upwards at a snake image? The second Commandments says: “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.”
Ah, there it is! it is only idolatry if people actually WORSHIP the image, which happened in 2 Kings 18! Whereas if God commanded it to be done, then it is God ordained.
And I say that it is God who ordained Jesus to die on the CROSS, not a sword or noose or by stoning or anything else. If it were by those methods, then yes, Christianity’s symbol might well be that item.
—Idolatry is forbidden in the Bible. The early church never engaged in casting crosses. This point is so clear. I can’t believe people actually try to justify this. Boggles the mind.—
Point out to me where Christians worship the cross, and I will join you in chastising them for their blasphemy. But the striaght fact is, Protestants do not worship symbols or idols. We don’t pray to statues of saints either. No proper Christian actually thinks the cross is God!
—Colossians 1:6 — For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Then if Jesus and Jehovah are separate, then how many earths should we have? moons? sun? etc.—
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” (John 1:1-3)
Jesus (the Word) was with God, Jesus was God, and He made all things through Him. How do you interpret this verse’s two ‘with God’ statements? Why bother saying that Jesus was with God if He is God in the first place? Better to leave it out altogether.
—Passover is in the Bible, Christmans is not.
Sabbath is in the Bible, Sunday worship is not.
Sisters wear veils because it is a teaching from the Bible.
You say pinning pagan traditions to mainstream Christianity is a dishonest tactic??
How is that dishonest? It is the truth. Pagan traditions should have no place in Christianity. Do you not agree with this?—
Let me state it this way. If I don’t celebrate Christmas… I am still a Christian. I don’t go to hell.
If I don’t worship on Sunday, but on another day or not at all… I am still a Christian. I don’t go to hell.
If I don’t ever see a cross in my entire life… I am still a Christian. I don’t go to hell.
The fact is, none of the things you accuse Protestants of practising are doctrine. They are expressions of culture. We sing and listen to sermons in foreign languages. We wear unJewish clothes. We worship in shophouses and straw huts instead of temples.
If anyone claimed that we HAVE to do those thigns to be saved, THAT would be a pagan (nonChristian) belief! In fact, that is what yoru church is accused of – putting rituals as criteria to be saved. Whether or not it has precedence in the Bible, no ritual will save you – only belief in Jesus and obedience to His words.
Compare with this scenario: A soldier accepts Jesus as his lor and saviour five seconds before he is shot and dies. He never has the chance to go to worship service (on whatever day), give tithes, celebrate whatever festival or eat even on Passover. Is he saved?
The mainstream would say, Yes he is saved. He put his faith in Jesus. But since he never partook of the Passover, what does your church say about his state of salvation? If he is not saved, then fine – that doesn’t make your doctrine wrong.
But that is what I’m trying to point out – mainstream Christianity needs NO rituals. It is the heart that counts. And if the heart tells someone that Passover is necessary, well then, go ahead and have it – just don’t try and condemn everyone else when faith is the key to being saved.
—James 2:14 — What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? —
Yes, faith without obedience is dead. But is the actual, physical act of Passover required of Christians? Or was James talking of Jesus’ only commandments to love God and love mankind – a way of life and a heart attitude, rather than rituals that the other Letters all say should not be used as a judging criteria?
—He went up in the flesh. He will return in the flesh. It does not mean he has to come floating out of the sky.—
Since He came in the flesh, He may very well come down in the flesh. But if he went flying up into the sky, then why shouldn’t He come down from the sky?
Why only take one of the two and not both together? Does Acts 1:9 have any distinguishing words to show that the angels were referring to Jesus’ flesh and not His ascension? I say yes, there is, – because they said, in the same WAY He was taken – not in the same BODY or FORM. It’s a verb, an action, so the angels logically wre talking about the ACTION of flying.
—In the same way, people misinterpret scripture, take it literally, and think Jesus is going to come out of some magical light show in the sky.—
If not, then how will ALL the world realize that Jesus has returned, and tremble and mourn at the reliaztion of their sinful ways? And how will all the believers will be caught up in the air to join Jesus without anyone noticing? (1 Thes 4:17)
—Like I said, Jesus spoke in parables.—
And what is the criteria to be used? Why is Jesus speaking in parables when referring to coming down from the sky, but NOT speaking in parables or metaphor when speaking about ‘eating flesh and blood’? Esp. if it is not within Judaism’s kashrut/kosher laws to eat human flesh.
—Remember, it is the false Christs and false prophets who will be using great signs and wonders in the last days to decieve. This is straight from the Bible my friend. Think about it.—
And it is completely ordinary, non-second coming, non-prophetic people who will NOT DO ANY SIGNS AND WONDERS. By that criteria, there is nothing that makes Ahnsahnghong any more the Christ that me is there? He didn’t do miracles, I’m not doing any either. He didn’t claim to be Christ in his lifetime, neitehr do I.
—Reverend Moon is a corrupt con man who is entrenched in the New World Order. What biblical truths has he revealed as the second coming Christ. Has he brought the hidden manna as prophesied in Revelation 2? It is only Christ Ahnsahnghong who has.—
By what criteria do you accuse Moon as a con man, not having brought the hidden manna, or not being the true Christ? Or mroe specifically, why should I believe that Ahnsahnghong is the Christ over Moon? If I am swayed by all your arguments and interpretation of Scripture, I could end up a Moonie instead, if you don’t give me any reason Ahnsahnghong’s church is better or more correct. They use the same arguments after all.
—And you still ask if he ever proclaimed himself to be Christ??—
I still ask it. Without outside interpretation of his writings, did Ahnsahnghong actually say that he thought he was the Messiah, the Christ? Did he clearly state it? Jesus may not have outrigth said “I am God”, although He hinted strongly at it through words and claims. But He answered plainly that He was Messiah.
I REALLY NEED TO ASK – If Ahnsahnghong was the second coming of Christ, what praytell has he achieved? How many times does Jesus have to come before He comes to defeat evil, destroy the armies arrayed with Satan, judge the world and bring everlasting peaces?
I ask this because Jesus is supposed to do these things the next/second/FINAL time He comes to earth. These thigns have not been achieved by Ahnsahnghong’s coming. Or perhaps there is a Third Coming? I am being serious here.
—Yes, many people persecute us, just as people persecuted the early church. So what is your point? The truth will always be persecuted.—
How about the persecuted Moonies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Satanists? They speak the truth too? The truth may be persecuted, but so is everything else! Not a good criteria to measure truthfulness by.
From your testimony about yourself, and your studious referral of Scripture, I can see that you are not just a blind follower or brainwashed sheep. You actually are convicted that Ahnsahnghong is the Christ after thinking it through. For this, I respect your stand.
I ask that you realize that I, too, am wholly convinced of the doctrines I believe after having thought through them. I am also a skeptic, and not prone to following the norms like a sheep.
So if we are both not imbeciles, then it boils down to our own interpretation and understanding of Scripture. I am not convinced that your doctrines are correct, and you think I am misguidedly adhering to standard exegesis.
Shall we continue to debate the Scriptures then? The issue may never be solved (which is why there are so many denominations), but it will be good for our understanding of each other’s beliefs.
By: Scott Thong on July 23, 2007
at 1:05 pm
Ryan, I admit that your arguments regarding the necessity of Passover seem logical. Your interpretation of specifice verses seems sound. It bears more looking into the matter.
But if I were to conclude that your church’s teaching is right regarding the Passover, how does that tie in with Ahnsahnghong really being the Christ?
The logical lines could be ‘Ahnsahnghong’s teaching about Passover is correct therefore Ahnsahnghong does not have wrong doctrine’ says nothing about his Messiahship. Through careful study or pure chance, any normal person could also teach the same thing about Passover.
I believe the Seventh Day Adventists of which Ahnsahnghong was once a member teach Sabbath keeping and Passover. They make no claims to Messiahship however, although their founder was once thought to be infallible regarding doctrine.
So Passover included or aside, what is there to convince us that Ahnsahnghong is the second coming of Christ rather than an ordinary human theologian who had correct doctrine? There is an eternity of difference between the two.
(Note that the best evidence for his Messiahship should not be applicable to other people who claimed to be Christ, or normal people who never claimed to be Christ but just happened to be in the same set of evidences.)
By: Scott Thong on July 23, 2007
at 1:52 pm
Of course some of their teaching is legit Scott. That’s CULT 101 Brother. They teach some obvious truth up front so you’ll be like, yeah these people are onto something. Then they drop it on your head. Their INSANE beliefs, better said, what they want YOU to believe. They have to gain your trust first. That makes it oh so hard for most people to tell em to screw off. They won’t ever sit someone down for the first time and say “I want you to worship a dead Korean man that wore Glasses and the Whore he left behind”. Oh no, much, much more subtle than that. I’m thinking they are using hypnotism on many of the members. I’m not Bullshiting here.
By: Hawkeye on July 23, 2007
at 2:30 pm
Scott,
I can agree with you. Ryan is no way an idiot, a moron, or even foolish. However, what doesn’t make sense is the story of Ahnsahnghong. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I actually have respect for Ryan and his knowledge of the Bible and his strong stance for his beliefs but still, it does not add up.
If this guy Ahnsahnghong did actually preach everything that Ryan is verbally regurgitating for 37 years to his congregation, and for them to observe this Passover for 37 years while acknowledging that there were no other churches doing so, then it would be impossible for them to NOT know that he was this “second coming” that he preached about and they (his congregation) studied the bible prophesies about, to determine howthe second coming will appear and whatthe second coming’s purpose will be.
To Ryan or “John”,
Just as simple as it was for me to detect who you were, even though you are using a different user name, it should have been just as simple for Ahnsahnghong’s congregation to detect who he was.
It’s the clue that you left behind. It’s the way that you refered to me that allowed me to determine who you were. If I am the founder of a church and I am preaching to you that Passover was abolished by Constantine, and how there are no chuches observing it, and the only person who can restore this Passover is the second coming, while at the same time I am declaring that only the TRUE church observes this event. I am also making everyone in my congregation observe this Passover because I am preaching that it is a command.
When you sit at home, you ought to think to yourself, “WOW, our church is the only church in the world observing Passover. But wait, if our church is the only church doing this and if the prophesies say the second coming is the only one to restore it, that must mean our King James our preacher is the second coming, I can’t believe it!
For 37 years, no one was aware of that? Makes one wonder how they were able to tie their shoe laces.
I can bet he baptized people in the name of Jesus Christ because if he had baptized people in his own name, that would be revealing himself in so many ways. Yet today, your church claims that it is wrong for people to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, well I feel sorry for those people he baptized in his church because I’m sure he did not baptized them in his name for obvious reasons.
The story does not add up.
– James
By: King James on July 24, 2007
at 12:08 am
King,
He may in fact be “knowledgable”, but he’s using that knowledge for evil purposes whether he knows it or not. He’s got us telling him he’s wrong, but he refuses to give. Sometimes you have to illustrate absurdity by being absurd to make them see themselves for what they are or what they believe, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but they do find out where you’re coming from for sure. He is a philosophical idiot. Like you say, it doesn’t add up. Being a knowledgable person would tell him if he’s a logical person @ all, that it doesn’t add up. My conclusion is that he must know it’s a crock of shit. He must. He’s in Co-Hootz with Hillery to send us all to the bad place.
Swooping in from the high in the Sky, forever and I do mean forever, a thorn in their side,
Hawkeye !
By: Hawkeye ! on July 24, 2007
at 2:26 pm
Hawkeye,
You make a VERY good point and I also agree with you on that. Like, I’m very open to reading and trying to analyze their doctrine even more which I am doing because we all have access to these books for we have family/friends who are members of this church.
Most of the “new prophesies” they may tell us we need to know to understand why Ahnsahnghong is this second coming christ just isn’t important as the man himself and the life he lived.
Putting the bible aside, what did he do, besides build a bunch of churches in a short amount of time and what did he say to his congregation? How can someone who came in secret get persecuted as they claim he did?
That’s like persecuting George Bush for being a ninja, well who knows that he’s a ninja? No one, because it is a secret. They want to claim that he came in secret yet they want to give the impression that people knew him well enough to persecute him..very confusing.
I feel Ryan or John does know the truth about this LIE and is probably getting paid good money. Like you said, that’s the only way to see it. At some point rational thinking does kick in but if you are told that rational thinking should not be used then I guess that would lead anyone to believe it.
If I were some young “wet behind the ears” college student, I would be very convinced if he were to apporach me with this in person. Seeing how they like to use scare tactics. The ol’, “Do you want to disobey God?” type of questions that brings fear and guilt into someone’s mind.
I dunno man, I guess that doesn’t make me a “know it all” like Ryan or John likes to call me.
– James
By: King James on July 24, 2007
at 8:24 pm
Hawkeye,
This is what ‘Ryan” or “John” wrote:
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Idolatry is forbidden in the Bible. The early church never engaged in casting crosses. This point is so clear. I can’t believe people actually try to justify this. Boggles the mind.
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He pretty much shot himself in the foot here by including bible scripture to back up his statement:
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Jeremiah 2:
27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
They have turned their backs to me
and not their faces;
yet when they are in trouble, they say,
‘Come and save us!’
28 Where then are the gods you made for yourselves?
Let them come if they can save you
when you are in trouble!
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According to the COG, Buddhism is a false religion. This false religion worships Buddah which many partake in praying and bowing to a golden statue.
Ahnsahnghong and his parents were Buddist. Ahnsahnhong was pretty much a buddhist until getting batpized at age 30. So for half of his life, this man was raised in a buddhist home and worshipped an idol, which goes against the scripture above and is forbidden.
Why did God allow the second coming to be born from 2 people who did not obey, love nor worhip him? What about poor ol’ Buddah, how does he feel about the Hewbrew’s God just using his children which have nothing to do with the bible or it’s prophesies, to bring about the second coming of his son?
Sounds like a blatant act of disrespect to me.
– James
By: King James on July 25, 2007
at 10:54 am
King James, haven’t I already exposed you for not beleiving in the Bible or Jesus. You are not fully convinced that Jesus is the first coming of Christ, so how could you understand who second coming Christ is??
Any discussion with you is futile. I could go on and on exposing you for who you are.
And Hawkeye obviously has tourettes syndrome.
Scott, first of all, I apologize for being so sarcastic in my responses to you. I just get very passionate when it comes to who the Christ is in this Age of the Holy Spirit.
I just want people to recognize who our saviors are in this age, according to the Scriptures. I want to use the Scriptures to lead people to salvation, just as the apostles did 2000 years ago.
There is so much falsehood out there, hence all the different denominations, and I want people to see the truth.
Only by examining the Bible carefully can we be led to salvation.
Scott, I have been rereading your posts and thinking about where your mind is. You obviously have a mind to seek the truth, unlike some people.
You brought up the point about the bronze snake in regards to symbols and such.
Let me address this point first, then I want to ask you a bottom line question.
Let me present to you a study from Christ Ahnsahnghong about the idolatry of the Cross. It involves the verse you brought up in Numbers.
Please read this with an open mind and Im sure you will clearly understand the point I am making with the cross.
Cross reverence is Idolatry.
Introduction
Ex 20: 4 — “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.
So first, let us examine what is considered an idol in the eyes of God.
Lev. 26: 1 ” ‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.
Any image or carved stone is an idol in the eyes of God according to the word of God.
Let us examine further.
Jeremiah 10:2 — This is what the LORD says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
5 Like a scarecrow in a melon patch,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”………………….
8 They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols………………
11 “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’ “…… 14 Everyone is senseless and without knowledge;
every goldsmith is shamed by his idols.
His images are a fraud;
they have no breath in them. 15 They are worthless, the objects of mockery;
when their judgment comes, they will perish.
The cross is also an image which is a wooden idol shaped like a scarecrow.
Crosses were worshipped by pagans before Christ.
How does God view such idols.
Deut. 27: 15 — “Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol—a thing detestable to the LORD, the work of the craftsman’s hands—and sets it up in secret.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
Clearly, it is detestable in the eyes of the God almighty that we as Christians believe in.
Also, examine this prophecy carefully.
Jeremiah 2: 27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
They have turned their backs to me
and not their faces;
yet when they are in trouble, they say,
‘Come and save us!’
This word means that they worship the image of Virgin Mary. (Catholic tradition which originated from paganism.)
I understand that the Protestant churches do not worship Virgin Mary, but also let us understand that the cross also is an idol.
Now I want to show you some prophecies in regards to the veneration of the cross using Israelite history.
Let us keep this question in the back of our mind. Can the church that reveres the cross be saved?
Numbers 21:4 — They traveled from Mount Hor along the route to the Red Sea, [c] to go around Edom. But the people grew impatient on the way; 5 they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!”
6 Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the LORD and against you. Pray that the LORD will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
8 The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.
Let us learn the profound signifagance of this history.
Was it the actual bronze snake on the pole that saved them, or was it the word of God?
They could live because of the word of God, not the actual snake on the cross. The word of God is what gives us life. If God says that you must look at the bronze snake on the pole if you want to live, then it is so.
However, the foolish people began to worship the bronze snake, thinking that it had the power to give them protection, not acknowledging that it was God’s word that allowed them to live.
2 Kings 18:3 — He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father David had done. 4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called [b] Nehushtan. )
The Israelites were worshiping the bronze snake, foolishly thinking it had power. It is the word of God that gives us life.
Then the question is, how can we learn from this history, or prophecy if you will?
John 3:14 — Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
Think about the meaning of this testimony very carefully. Use your spiritual senses to see the truth.
The bronze snake being lifted on the pole had prophetical meaning to Jesus being hung on the cross.
The Son of Man must be “lifted up” on the cross.
The ancient Israelites worshiped the visible bronze snake, despising the word of God that allowed them to live.
In the same way, today, people see great power in the symbol of the cross that Jesus was hung on.
They despise the precious blood that Jesus gave us the night before he was sacrificed, which was the Passover of the New Covenant.
On the Passover, he said that the Passover bread was his flesh and the Passover wine was his blood. It is this word that gives us life, since Jesus said whoever eats his flesh and blood has eternal life.
The point is, we must recognize that it is God’s word that gives us life. Yes, Jesus died on the cross, but let us learn from Israelite history and recognize that it is through the flesh and blood that Jesus gave us on the night of the Passover that we receive life.
Remember God’s word, whoever erects or worships a cross will be cursed.
Let us believe in the word of Jesus and eat his flesh and blood of the Passover to recieve eternal life as taught by Jesus.
The Passover truth is the core of the entire Bible. And our Heavenly Mother is the reality of God’s flesh and blood.
I can illustrate this using the Scriptures.
So now to my question.
Since you have such a good mind to seek the truth, I am more than willing to show you all the prophecies of second coming Christ so you can come to a conclusion if Ahnsahnghonn is truly the second coming Christ or not.
Think about it. We cannot come to recognize the true Christ from all the false Christs by depending on miraculous signs. Jesus clearly warned us about this.
We cannot rely on someone saying, “I am the Christ” for many people in the last days will say, “I am the Christ”.
Then we need to honestly ask ourselves, what is the criteria by which we can recognize the true Christ from all the false Christs?
It is only through the Scriptures. Only through prophecy.
John 5:9You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
The only thing we can look at to recognize Christ is the Scriptures as Jesus so clearly stated.
Many people know the Scriptures, but without recognizing or believing in the one who fulfills the Scriptures, we can never have life.
So I leave you with this verse.
Acts 17:11 — Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Paul was testifying to the first coming of Christ. Now we are testifying to the second coming of Christ who has come in accordance with all the prophecies of the Bible.
If you want to examine them to see if Ahnsahnghong is the one who has fulfilled them, then I am more than willing to go into detail with you.
Please check it out fully, then make a decision. Only by having faith in the word of God can we come to believe.
Matt 13: 58 — And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
Then what comes first? Faith in the word of God (prophecy) or miracles?
It is up to you my friend.
God Bless You.
By: Ryan on July 25, 2007
at 3:20 pm
RYAN GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER!!!!
you are pleasing Father and Mother, may you bare beautiful fruit and even if through this you dont, you are still receiving many blessings…
John 15:18-21 “if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.”
Matthew 11:6 “blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.”
Matthew 10:22 “all men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
these are somthings that i like to keep in mind when i am constantly persecuted even from those very dear to me…but also remember this…
John 15:22 “if i had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now however, they have no excuse for their sin.”
luke 17:22-25 “the time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. Men will tell you, ‘there he is! or here he is!’ do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lighting, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. BUT FIRST HE MUST SUFFER MANY THINGS AND BE REJECTED BY THIS GENERATION.”
so not everyone will accept this just yet, as long as you told them God’s words you did your part, there are so many other lost brothers and sisters out there that have yet to hear the truth…so lets go and spread the good news to EVERYONE and lets be prepared when the great multitude over flows into Zion in the last days!! But at least now when that day comes, they will know to seek the ones that are walking with our only savior!
im sure this is nothing new to you and you already know all this, but Hebrews 10:25 let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another-and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
God bless you!!!!
By: Jenna on September 17, 2009
at 5:47 am
Whatever, “Ryan”.
As I have said a thousand times, you are not exposing anything. What have I said in the past about myself that was a lie? Nothing. Oh well, that’s what I get for having some kind of respect for someone who just wants to get to know what I “believe” only to try and use it against me later.
Try not to be so obvious in your attempt to label me as “evil”, John. Apparently anyone with an opinion is just that in your eyes.
Again I say, no I do not “believe” the Bible is 100% God’s word…so what. That is my way of thinking, take it or leave it. You know, that is a lame attempt to expose someone, John. Using the bible as a test to see where they stand as far as acknowledging a collection of books written by men and their own perception of man’s true nature and their destiny.
When have I said that Jesus was not Christ? I’m tired of fully explaining myself, only for you to hear what you want to hear or read what you want to read and twist everything around. I’ve said and explained myself so many times to you yet still, it said wrong coming from you.
Everyone has questions, which is why they are told to have faith. His life is a mystery and that’s all to it. No one knows his childhood. No one knows his teenaged life or anyting in between beside what is said in the Bible.
What kind of activities did Jesus get into as child, John?
Was he perfect as a child too? Did he laugh? Did he cry? Did he get into trouble like normal kids?
I don’t need your faithfilled answers but questions like that would help or shed light on to determine the type of life he had and would really strengthen peoples belief, so that “faith” is not needed. You should not need to have “faith” in truth. The two just do not mix. Truth is the accuracy of something that can be proven and that proof will determine it to be fact, but faith is the acceptance in something without proof.
So for me to say that I know, shows certainty and is absolute compared to I believe or have faith, which shows uncertainty. If “I know”, then I can show you why I know and the proof presented can be tested and determinded proof positive by others observing as well. However, if I have faith or “believe” that Jesus’ existed, then I can not show you any physical proof besides what is written about him.
However, I have never ruled out Jesus’ existence. Please get your facts straight before you try to “expose” someone. Atleast do me the honor and use my own words as proof to what you claim.
That still doesn’t excuse your god for being an idol worshipper, which is a sin.
– James
By: King James on July 25, 2007
at 4:47 pm
Hawkeye, the problem with stubborness and refusing to accept being proven wrong is that it works either way. It could very well be me (/you/us) who is wrong and stubbornly refusing to see the light. So the only way to settle such matters is to take the objective facts and judge between our views.
Unfortunately, as global warming yes/no and evolution/creation debates have proved, that just leads to accusations of bias and slanted viewpoints. Sigh!
Well Ryan, I would maintain that anything can be an idol IF IT IS WORSHIPED (bowed down to). It doesn’t ever have to ever have been used as a pagan symbol before – people can even worship and pray to Pachinko machines (Japanese pinball type game).
It doesn’t even have to be an object – wealth, power, fame can all be idols. The definition of idolatry, IMHO, is where anything is elevated to equal or greater status than the one true God.
It is my opinion that the cross or any other symbol does not automatically become an idol, until people start to revere it rather than what it symbolizes (Jesus). That is the danger of making images intended to represent God (as the Israelites did – they called the Bronze Calf the ‘God who led them out of Egypt’, not any other god, yet YHWH was still greatly displeased).
The Bronze Snake is a perfect illustration of this – it is holy as long as people look up to it and remember teh Holy God who ordered it made and who forgives and heals. But when people start treating the Snake as a god… That’s where it all goes wrong.
I for one have never bowed down to a cross or any other symbol. But I respect it as the reminder of Christ’s sacrifice. I can say the same for the majority of churches. So the issue of cross worship isn’t really as bad as you might think.
I’ll give that you do not agree that a ‘pagan’ symbol is used in churches. But don’t misunderstand that Christians worship anything else but God Himself (not so sure if Catholic praying to statues of saints crosses the line though).
Idolatry can be in any form – even the form of the Passover, if people begin to place more importance in that ritual than in God’s free grace. And it CAN happen – people are weak and easily swayed, and being physical beings find physical means of ‘salvation’ to be comforting.
That is perhaps one failing of the more legalistic Jews, who put more faith in circumcism and feasts (including Passover) and tithes, but neglected the heart and spirit of God.
I’m not making accusations here – but do watch out in your own church that people do not start treating ANY ritual as more important than God, ok?
(On a side note, I believe that is the stated reason why Muslims cannot make images of any of the prophets – the weaker spirited would soon start to venerate and worship the images! But this still does not stop idolatry. All that idolatry needs to thrive is for someone to believe that any created thing – even a prophet – is perfect and holy.)
One could also bring up Jesus’ words in defense of wearing crosses as a symbol on oneself:
“And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.” – Luke 14:27
But I feel that this passage makes more sense when taken figuratively – if we are not willing to bear suffering and sacrifice for Him, then we are not true followers of Jesus.
On faith and miracles, I believe I have faith. I’ve gone by faith before, and seen minor miracles. Nothing spectacular like the dead brought to life or anything, but more relevant and impactful on my life.
Miracles are not the be all and end all of things. False prophets will perform miracles by the power of the devil or spirits (some call it sorcery). But let’s not forget that true prophets and the Apostles performed miracles too.
And of course, one way to tell apart a true prophet is by his namesake – prophecies.
“From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms. But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the LORD only if his prediction comes true.” (Jeremiah 28:8-9)
Simple and clear enough – if someone claims to be a prophet of God, he should be making prophecies. And if they come true (even if it’s long after his lifetime), we will know that he was a genuine man of God.
On Ahnsahnghong, the difficulty for me is that I don’t (yet) see anything unique or different that sets him apart from the other men who (falsely) claimed to be Christ. What tells me that he is truly the Christ and the others are fakes?
I always wonder when I hear that yet another religious leader claims himself to be Christ: What do they think of all the previous people who claimed to be Christ? Why do their followers believe/choose them over any other Christ-claimers?
(José Luis de Jesús Mirandas of Creciendo en Gracia in Florida, USA was the latest to make me wonder before I heard of Ahnsahnghong).
I believe the Scriptures wholeheartedly as the only final say in these thigns, so yes, I would appreciate being briefed on the Scriptures that you claim back up Ahnsahnghong’s Messiahship.
(But I would still have to ask for more if the passages apply just as well to other people who claimed to have been Christ.)
James – Whether the Bible is God inspired or man-invented, and which parts are, is a whole ‘nuther post! Incidentally, one of my recent posts is about the discovery of an artifact that seems to correlate with the book of Jeremiah. The comments at that post have my attempt at explaining why that adds to the trueness of the Bible (which I believe includes the part about all Scripture being God-breathed being true too, 2 Timothy 3:16).
There are a bunch of non-Canonical ‘gospels’ detailing the life of Jesus as a child… But I don’t consider them to be true accounts, in part becuase they protray a very petty, vindictive and irresponsible child who uses his miraculous powers to blind and kill people he doesn’t like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospels#Infancy_Gospels
And among even secular scholars, it is generally accepted that at least a Jewish teacher named Jesus lived around the turn of BCE to CE (BC to AD), even fi they don’t agree that He really did and said the things the Bible attests to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
I like in particular that contemporary nonChristian writers like Tacitus recorded the existence of a person named Jesus, and followers who believed that He rose from the dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus
By: Scott Thong on July 26, 2007
at 12:57 pm
Hi Scott,
I’ve read your post about the artifact found that can perhaps prove the events in Bible as valid. Well I’ll just present my opinion on it. I’m not dismissing that many events in the Bible could have happened but it seems that certain times are recorded and some are not. For what purpose, I couldn’t tell you, but if someone were to record their life or events of their life, they might write this in a journal and/or diary or perhaps make a video log.
However it is done, it’s done on an everyday basis and everything from taking a shower in the morning to the food they have eaten for dinner may be recorded. My “give or take” on it. Now if someone were to do this from the age of 16 to the age of 25, there should be huge catalog of journal books, diaries, or video logs lying around. Since there is 365 days of the year, if we multiply that by 9(years) that would be 3,285 days of their life recorded or written down.
Now that’s alot of books/videos. Even on the days where there is not much happening, the average person would log the date and perhaps say that it was a boring day and give their reason why it was such a boring day, they are not going to leave the person hanging, because even a boring day, has a story.
Similar to Security Guards, they must write a log every hour or so of their shift. Even when nothing has happened within the hour, they must write something down and also log in the time. That too, is alot of writing.
So if the OT is a collection of events recorded by a man or God, what would be the reason to omit certain events or certain times? The timeline of each story in each book jumps from “A” to “K”, leaving out the “in betweens” or from “B” to “H”. It appears that either the person made the decision to weigh certain events more important than others and I am saying that because the books are too edited and summarized and that it should also be much longer than it is, if we were to think that it was recorded during the actual time, compared to it being written years or centuries later.
Eveyday is important, not certain days. The way that it is wriiten, gives me the impression that it wasn’t written during, yet it is told in a form of a bed time story.
However, if there were events recorded on an everyday basis, why not include them? If they were included, then who made the decision to not inlcude them and why? I guess those questions should be directed to either God, the man who wrote the books or the person who edited the OT and NT and combined them.
In other words, there is historical evidence and proof of a few stories but I feel alot of information have been left out. Even with the disciples, there should be more detail than it is. They couldn’t have possibily been around Jesus 24/7, and within the time when even Jesus himself took a break and spent time alone after his baptism, why record what he was doing and not record what the person who is telling the story themselve’s were doing and what they were experiencing? Everything was fixed and focused on Jesus, yet they are a part of the story to a point where they would only write about events that only covered Jesus, even when no one was around Jesus to witness it.
And if Jesus told them about his day when they were not around, they would have written it in such a way where it would perhaps say, “And Jesus told to me, he went into the mountain and meditated.” Or “Jesus said to me that he was tested by Satan and Satan said blah blah blah.”.
The disciples had to get some “alone time” at one point or else Judas wouldn’t have been able to get Jesus captured/arrested. The event that took place where Judas made a deal with the chief priests to betray Jesus,(Matthew 26:14-16). Also this events appears to be the only event recorded where none of the disciples were around Judas when he made this deal to have Jesus captured.
I don’t want to dig too deep about the Bible but I am not denying nor confirming the events in the Bible to be total truth or false, given that the “in betweens” are left out.
But these are my opinons and I not trying to bring anyone into my loop.
Thanks, Scott.
– James
By: King James on July 26, 2007
at 9:52 pm
Hi~
I leave a comment to want to tell you about the church of God.
firstly, let me introduce about the church of God in brief.
church of God only follow the teaching of the Bible, God’s holy word.
By the way, May I ask you a question?
what do you thing of the purpose to go to church?
the most important purpose is to receive salvation(eternal life) from God. isn’t it?
then, how can we get the eternal life?
almost of the christian insist that we can be saved just when we believe in God. and so many people also believe that.
however, this is not true.
about this matter, Jesus clearly testify that only he who does the will of God, will enter the kingdom of heaven. If you look at the book of the matthew 7:21, you can see.
it means that only those who believe in
God’s word and put it into practice, can go to the kingdom of heaven.
then, which is the God’s will?
Man’s teaching or God’s teaching.
absolutely, the latter.
as you know, God’s teaching is written in the Bible.
so, we can know the way to get the eternal life only through the Bible.
this is why church of God only follow
the teaching of the Bible.
now, among many truth in the Bible,
let’s focus on the core truth in the church of God.
the most different thing between church of God and the other chruchs is the existence of the heavenly mother.
heavenly mother is the core truth. because we can get the eternal life through her.
The Bible clearly testify to this fact.
let’s make a carefully study about heavenly mother.
since the Bible says that God has given us a precious promised.
therefore, the Bible calls us the children of promise
let’s take a look at the book of Galatians.
Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
what is the promise God gave us?
1John 2:25 And this is what he promised us-even eternal life.
God promised us the eternal life to his children of promise.
do you know how we received God’s precious promise of eternal life?
It’s very important to us who want to go to the kingdom of heaven.
So, we must know this to get the eternal life.
God let us know that the way to get the eternal life through the living creatures in this world.
let’s confirm this fact through the book of revelation.
Rev 4:11 for you created all things, and by your well they were created.
God created all thing by his will, and his invisible power and divine nature are
cleary seen through what has been made.
there are so many living creatures in the world; birds flying in the sky, fishes
swimming in the sea, and various animals running on the wide open field.
then, what was His will?
birds flying in the sky have their mothers and fathers, fishes swimming in the ocean also have their mothers and fathers, and so many animals running on the grass have their mothers and fathers, too.
all living creatures surely have their mothers and fathers. especially they are given life through their mommies
through this common providence of creation of all things, God reveals a certain
will of him. God want us to know His will.
as you know, life is given to us by our farther and mother. our mother is the major life giver who finally gives us life through birth.
what is God’s will in creating mother as the main life giver, not the father?
just as our physical mother gives us physical life, so must our spiritual mother
gives us eternal life.
As you know, many people said that God is the only one.
They Said, God is only father, not the mother.
However, through the history of creation in six days in Genesis, we can clearly find out the existence not only God the Father but also God the Mother.
Ge 1:26-27 God said , “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.”
… in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
nowadays, almost all churches insist that only one God the father created man and all things by himself.
but, in genesis, the first book of the bible which is God’s revelation.
God said ” let us make man in our image, in our likeness…”
he didn’t say, “I will make man in my image..”
through this, we can understand that God is plural-more than one.
and verse27
male and female were created in the image of God.
when we refer to verse26 ‘ in our image ‘
this word implies that there are multiple images of God-both male and female images of God.
as we call male God ‘father’
when people pray for God’s blessing, they call, “our father in heaven.”
why is God called ‘father’?
because he gives us life and breath; through him we came into existence.
then, only father God alone gives us our spiritual life?
God the creator said “let us…”God refers to himself as ‘we’ not ‘I’
we are not created in the image of a singular God, but in the images of plural God.
this can be understood through male and female created in God’s image.
the male God we call ‘father God’ then, how about the female God?
what do you think? think about it!
If we are the God’s children, children of promise, shouldn’t we call her ‘God the Mother?
the bible clearly reveals the existence of God the mother through this God’s creation work.
let’s sturdy more about mother’s appearance on earth through the book of the Revelation.
Rev 19:7 The wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
This is to take place after Jesus’ Ascension. so, surely the Lamb stands for the second coming Jesus, our spiritual father. then, who is His bride then? let’s find out.
Rev 21:9-10 ‘Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”… and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
When the Apostle John received the Revelation about the wife of the lamb. the Angel told him that I will show you the bride, the wife of the lamb. and then, He show him the Holy city, Jerusalem.
Considering this verse, we can see that the wife of the lamb is heavenly Jerusalem.
The bride is heavenly Jerusalem. she will come down from heaven to the earth. so, if we are the children of the Lamb our Father, she naturally our heavenly mother.
let’s see what the relationship is between the heavenly Jerusalem and us.
Gal4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free(In heaven), and she is our Mother.
The Jerusalem that is above means the Jerusalem in heaven.
The children of promise must have not only God the father but also God the mother.
Just as we cannot received physical life without our physical mother, so too we can never received eternal life without our spiritual mother, heavenly Jerusalem.
In these last days, We can get the salvation, eternal life only through our heavenly mother.
therefore, please believe in heavenly mother who gives us eternal life so that we may go back to the heavely kingdom, our eternal home.
if you want to more about the hidden truth in the Bible, Please contact this website.
http://usa.watv.org/
if you contact this website, you will understand more about the church of God and the truths in the Bible.
thank you for your leading. and may God bless you~!
By: heavenlyindependence on July 27, 2007
at 1:59 am
Eveyday is important, not certain days. The way that it is wriiten, gives me the impression that it wasn’t written during, yet it is told in a form of a bed time story.
Well James, I guess you’re pretty familair with the Bible, so here goes.
Although much of the Bible is told a narrative, such as Genesis, Kings, the Gospels and Acts, others are in different genres.
Psalms and Proverbs and Ecclesiastes are known as poetry and advice, Leviticus is mostly laws, Isaiah and the minor prophets and Revelation are mostly prophecies with some background, the letters of Paul and others are instructions.
Each has a different purpose, even the naratives. For example, the Gospels primarily serve to tell the good news of Jesus’ ministry, not His entire life story, and with His disciples only being a side story.
For a much more detailed account, you could take the journeys of Paul as recorded in Acts. The same writer probably compiled Luke too, which is the most detailed of the Gospels.
And yo uhave to take into account the style of writing at the time. The writers would omit or include details according to their own sensibilities, and edit words according to their intended audience. Mark wrote a very Jewish-oriented Gospel (lots of unexplained rituals), Matthew a very Gentile-oriented one (explanations of Jewish customs included).
And of course, the writers may not have copied down events and speeches immediately. Luke compiled his book mostly from eyewitness interviews and likely the documents that would become Mark’s and Matthew’s Gospels.
Altogether, the Bible’s main purpose is not as a diary, or even as a history book. It is a set of instructions and examples of God’s plans for us, and includes just enough selected background for us to reflect on His guidance throughout the ages.
By: Scott Thong on July 27, 2007
at 3:42 pm
The disciples had to get some “alone time” at one point or else Judas wouldn’t have been able to get Jesus captured/arrested. The event that took place where Judas made a deal with the chief priests to betray Jesus,(Matthew 26:14-16). Also this events appears to be the only event recorded where none of the disciples were around Judas when he made this deal to have Jesus captured.
If the Gospels and start of Acts are true (and remember, the Apostles followed a man who preached truth, and they were willing to die for their claims), then Jesus rose from the dead and spent 40 days among them.
This would have been the time for Him to inform them on the missing parts, such as His time alone in the garden of Gethsemene or 40 days fasting in the desert before He met any of His followers.
And if Jesus told them about his day when they were not around, they would have written it in such a way where it would perhaps say, “And Jesus told to me, he went into the mountain and meditated.” Or “Jesus said to me that he was tested by Satan and Satan said blah blah blah.”.
True, it was written as if the writer were telling a story. But it was intended to be a story – a message read out loud to the congregation.
Besides, most modern histories read the same way, even Wikipedia:
After the second refusal from the Academy of Arts, Hitler ran out of money. In 1909, he sought refuge in a homeless shelter and by 1910 had settled into a house for poor working men.
Hitler says he first became an anti-Semite in Vienna, which had a large Jewish community, including Orthodox Jews who had fled from pogroms in Russia. However, according to a childhood friend, August Kubizek, Hitler was a “confirmed anti-Semite” before he left Linz, Austria.
So both a direct account (Hitler did so and so) and an indirect retelling (Hitler says, according to Hitler’s friend) can be used without breaking the flow of the narrative.
Thanks for the comment though. Srsly, a great refreshment from the continuous Church of God scripture quotes and concoluted, much-thought-required-to-get-it explanations that seem to be a hallmark of theirs.
By: Scott Thong on July 27, 2007
at 3:53 pm
Especially heavenlyindependence. So convoluted, argh! Is there such thing as a quick, simple, to the point explanation of core doctrine?
If you want to more about the hidden truth about heavenly mother Jerusalem misinterpretation, Please contact Point 17 of http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/id21.html
By: Scott Thong on July 27, 2007
at 4:03 pm
Scott,
Hmm, perhaps you’re right, although Jesus explaining things further to his disciples could or should have been recorded as well. Perhaps it was and those who edited the Bible left it out. The Bible’s history goes too far back to come to anything final conclusions, which is why there’s always a debate.
I’ve built a time machine, if I can only generate the 1.21 gigawatts to power the flux capacitor, I can go back in time and shake Jesus’ hand.
:-)
But, thanks for the quick break down on the Bible. You have explained it without judgement and subliminally forcing it on me.
Much appreciated.
– James
By: King James on July 27, 2007
at 5:20 pm
Scott, I have already told you that what sets Ahnsahnghong apart from all the other fakes, is that he has fulfilled the prophecy in the Bible.
Does that mean anything to you? Jesus fulfilled prophecy, that is why we can believe in him. Christ is testified about only through the Bible. The other false christs do not fulfill any bible prophecy.
Anyways, I seem to have to make the same points over and over and over again. The truth is a foreign language to some I guess.
If you have any questions about the prophecies of second coming Christ and our heavenly mother that you do not seem to be able to understand, then email me at bakster28@aol.com.
And again James, what is your purpose? So you do not believe in the Bible. That’s great James, so let me guess, you do not believe in Ahnsahnghong?
Yeah we got that James, so move on and do something constructive with your free time. I could go on and on about your foolishness.
Don’t believe me? Email me and I will expose you for the fool that you are buddy.
Bakster28@aol.com
By: ryan on July 30, 2007
at 12:29 pm
Scott, I have already told you that what sets Ahnsahnghong apart from all the other fakes, is that he has fulfilled the prophecy in the Bible.
Indulge me, ryan. List down a few of the prophecies, I want to cross check whether the fakes also tried using those prophecies before.
By: Scott Thong on July 30, 2007
at 3:41 pm
Well James, IMHO it’s quite unlikely that the current contents of the Bible were edited and censored in the style of James Brown’s Da Vinci Code.
Here’s some arguments for the current Bible being faithful and accurate to the original writings:
And there’s actually such thing as fiction on someone who went back in time to meet Jesus – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behold_the_Man
By: Scott Thong on July 30, 2007
at 3:55 pm
Ryan,
When I said that I do not believe the Bible to be 100% God’s, means that I would view the Bible to be more men than a supreme being. Perhaps it was “written by God” we’ll never truely know. But if it was, it couldn’t been 100%. Probably 50% or less. Which is why it requires faith to believe in certain parts. And since humans live by their desires and insticts to want to destory and conquer, what is said in the bible about man’s destiny isn’t false but common sense.
Man have been doing the same things for thousands of years. Wars, killing or just plain ol’ sin since the creation. As the COG’s story goes, “we sinned against God in Heaven”, which is supposed to be a sinless place, go figure. So if it is in man and angels to do these things, it would make sense to write something to try and stabalize this impulse and it would also be very easy to predict how man will end up if he doesn’t learn how to control these animal-like instincts.
The temperament of a pitbull is a bit vicious and predictable and if you put it amongst 10 other pitbulls well, eventually a fight is bound to happen one day.
As far as emailing you, I’m always on friend’s computer and I am very protective and cautious to whom I send emails to. I would hate to receive an email virus on a computer that is not mine to begin with.
If you want to expose me for a fool, well do what you have to do. It would be best for everyone to see how much of a fool I am.
You want me to question the bible to expose me as some non-believing, atheist, agnostic, satanist type person, when all along I’ve been questioning your god Ahnshanghong and you simply can not compare the two. Anyone that doesn’t agree you and has his own opinion, you will view the same way, it’s no surprise to me though. So expose me all you want, you know me no more than I know you, “Ryan”. Unless you’re God, right?
btw, I’ve already stated my reason for being skeptic about Ahnsahnghong, the idol worshipper.
– James
By: King James on July 30, 2007
at 10:52 pm
The other false christs do not fulfill any bible prophecy.
Well to the followers of those false Christs, they believe that they have fulfilled bible prophesies and they have shown their followers through the same bible that you are using.
Who are you to tell those people that they did not fulfill them compared to someone like me that is saying that AHnshanghong didn’t fulfill prophecy? Appears that we are no different from one another, Ryan.
Maybe you should find something better to do with your time instead of “persecuting” others, ehh?
– James
By: King James on July 30, 2007
at 11:31 pm
Hey Scott. You say “indulge me”. Look, if you have a mind to check out the prophecies of second coming Christ and believe in the only one who has fulfilled them, then I will go into detail with all the studies so you can study them carefully.
But if you want to be indulged just so you can cross reference them with the false christs, then what is really your intention in knowing the prophecies?
You are either seeking the savior of this age, the Age of the Holy Spirit, or your not.
Let me ask you, have any of those people out there saying, “I am the Christ”, convinced you using bible prophecy?
I assume the answer is no.
Then I can show you that Ahnsahnghong is the second coming Christ, not because we want to make him Christ, but rather because he has fulfilled all the prophecies.
Did the disciples “make” the man Jesus, the Christ? Or did Jesus fulfill what was written in the Scriptures?
Even though they were persecuted and accused of being a “sect” or cult if you will, they had faith in the word of God and believed in the one who came according to the Scriptures.
It is no different with second coming Jesus.
So again I ask you, if you want to seek our savior in the age, the last age, then I can show you only using the Scriptures. I cannot show you any miracles, only the word of God.
Romans 10:14 — How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
16But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” 17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
God Bless You
By: Ryan on August 2, 2007
at 3:00 am
And James, I can see that you do not correctly know what the Church of God teaches.
You say that we teach it is not right to be baptized in the name of Jesus. That is 100% FALSE. Why don’t you get your facts right before you spew out such garbage.
That is why I call you a fool. You persecute, and you don’t even the truth. How foolish.
We follow Jesus’ command before he went up to heaven. Baptize them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
According to the Bible, there is a time for everything. Everything under heaven is done according to God’s time, or God’s administration if you will.
Now that the Age of the Holy Spirit has come and we now know the name of the Holy Spirit, we baptize in the name of the Father Jehovah, the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong.
And if you understand the Trinity; Jehovah, Jesus and Ahnsahnghong are not different entities, but one.
And yes you are correct, that Christ Ahnsahnghong did not baptize in the name of Ahnsahnghong.
The savior’s name of each age only goes into effect after his death.
While Jesus was alive, the disciples prayed in the name of Jehovah.
When Ahnsahnghong was alive, we prayed in the name of Jesus.
Maybe you should reexamine what Ahnsahnghong has revealed to us before you continue making your false accusations. Maybe you will then understand and believe.
And yes you are correct. Obviously not everyword in the Bible is from God. Ahnsahnghong even taught this when he was alive. Some of the words in the Bible contain words of ignorance like from the book of Job.
So from what is from the word of God, do you have faith? If you do, then you can come to receive the savior’s of this age.
By: Ryan on August 2, 2007
at 3:20 am
Ryan,
I will first respect your space and sit back while you show and prove your case to Scott, before I respond to your post.
– James
By: King James on August 2, 2007
at 3:42 am
Very well then James. I will gladly prove that Ahnsahnghong is second coming Christ according to the Scriptures.
Please keep in mind that my goal is not to “convince” you that Ahnsahnghong is second coming Christ.
If Ahnsahnghong did not fulfill prophecy, then I wouldn’t be here on these forums testifying that Ahnsahnghong is the Christ.
I was very skeptical before I came to accept Ahnsahnghong as second coming Christ. I cannot stress this enough. Obviously we do not really know eachother and our backgrounds.
First of all, I believe in the prophecies spoken of in the Bible because of the prophecies about who the antichrist is.
The antichrist is prophesied in the book of Daniel and Revelation.
If you do not know about this matter, then I should show you this first. This is why I believe in the word of God, which is the Bible.
So now, I can say confidently that I believe in the prophecies of second coming Christ.
Whether you believe or not, please understand that I believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong because of prophecy.
Only the Bible testifies about the Christ, so consequently I only can put my faith in the Bible prophecy.
Whether you choose to believe or not is obviously up to you.
Think about this logically: If you do not know all the prophecies of the second coming of Christ, then how can you confidently say that Ahnsahnghong is not second coming Christ?
Has any of the followers of the other “false christs” taken the time to try to prove to you that their so called christ is the true Christ?
All I have is the word of God. If you do not believe after I show you the prophecies, then what more can I say?
It is up to you my friend. Please have an open mind. With a fixed mind, we can never know the truth, whether it be about God or anything for that matter. Isn’t that true?
By: Ryan on August 2, 2007
at 5:18 pm
Ryan,
Do not take this the wrong way but this proof that you will be presenting is not for me, it is for Scott. The reason why I say this, is because we have been down this road many times before on previous forums. I just didn’t want to overload you with my response while you were tending to Scott, if and when he responds to you.
I have nothing to prove to you as far as who you should and should not worship, that is your path in life. However, when my way of life is being threatened by way of being told that if I do not accept their belief, or I will be punished, similar to what you are telling everyone and similar to what other people in the world who worship men that claimss to be christs, then I will speak my mind. It just so happens that it is your church that this person close to me, happens to attend.
If it was a different church whos members worshipped a diferent guy as christ, then I would not be here interacting with you on any level. I would be on a forum about another church that I feel happened to trick them into believing that the man they are worshipping is Jesus returned, by way of using the bible and fear.
In other words, this is not personal. I would not have heard or cared for your church and if this person happened to join different church who worshipped some hispanic guy for example, instead of the COG. If that were the case, they would be in the same mind set as you and would also believe their god is true and your god Ahnsahnghong to be false, because they have been convinced through bible scripture this hispanic guy is christ returned.
I can not convince or prove to this person that Ahnsahnghong is false neither can you convince or prove to the people who worship the hispanic Jesus, that he is false.
Their belief and ability to question whether Ahnsahnghong is true or false falls on them and no one else, but even so, they will have to question the bible and perhaps would have to weigh their evidence with an ex member of the COG. They can not weigh their evidence with any other church or person but an ex member of the COG because that ex member once believed it to be true once upon a time. So the question would be, what caused this ex member not to believe it anymore?
Words and advice by someone who actually walked in their shoes should relevant and more than enough to take heed to, compared to someone who is only looking from the outside-in and have never been a member of the COG at all.
“Has any of the followers of the other “false christs” taken the time to try to prove to you that their so called christ is the true Christ?”
Yes, twice. The person whom I once believed to be God never ever proclaimed it at all. It was more forced on him by people who were looking for something and this person openly and publicly expressed that he did not want people to worship him and that he was not God or the returned Christ. Another person never proclaimed himself to be God but started to put subliminal messages is the books that he wrote. After a while he changed from being a prophet or messenger to a person to be worshipped. In both cases, the bible was used.
Who these people are is not important and I am not going to go any further into it. I’ve been down that road more than once. I debated with people about it, I tried “speading the good news” to other people who I felt needed to believe in “my god” at that particular time, to be saved. I’ve been there already and I will not go down that road again. It’s a waste of my time. How I was able to get out of both well, I stated to question my own beliefs, it just felt a little forced. I also started to wonder why people were calling my way of “religion” a cult and did my own digging as to why they were saying, what they were saying.
Anyay, if it was not for my family member being a member of your church, I would not be here. I don’t even waste my time debating with the former members of the “cults” which I was a part of.
But, that will not stop me from speaking my opinion if someone were to question my life. And since your church has the elements and characteristics of the cults that I was a member of, I will continue to question it.
I won’t forget your question to me in regards to Ahnsahnghong baptizing people in Jesus’ name and why I have said those things. To me,it’s very obvious that he baptized people in Jesus’ name for if he didn’t, he would be revealing himself if he were to baptize people in his own name, yes I know that.
I have more to say but I just wanted you to tend to Scott first, I didn’t want to overload you with my posts, including Scott’s postings asking his questions in response to you showing him your views.
I will wait a bit to see if Scott responds to you. If not, then I will fully give my opinion to your post in regards to Ahnshanghong. Again, I’m not looking to be saved by someone’s god, and I am not looking to save anyone, I am just giving my opinion on the matter and that it’s.
Then you can Scott can then proceed to do what you were doing before I crashed the party.
– James
By: King James on August 3, 2007
at 2:15 am
Ryan,
I will now present my opinion as to why I feel Ahnsahnghong could not have been a second coming that came to earth in “secret”. I will try my best to present this from as many ways as I can. Meaning, “If he did do such and such, this will be the effect or result” AND “If he didn’t do such and such, this will be the effect or result”.
This will be a two or perhaps three part series. I just want to limit typing what has been said before.
Ok to my knowledge and understanding of what your church teaches and from what I have heard from a family member whom I’ve had numerous conversations with on the subject, even meeting with a COG Deacon in person, to having the opportunity to read through a few books which Ahnsahnghong had written and from interacting online with a handful of COG members including yourself and reading through ex-members of the church testimonies, I have come to the conclusion that it would not be possible for any god to come in secret, unless he did not have a specific purpose and reason.
If God were to come here to take a few days off for vacation, no one would know. But, if he came here for a reason or to “fulfill prophecy”, it would be impossible for him to maintain his hidden identity because of his words, but more so his actions.
According to the COG, Ahnsahnghong came in “secret” and fulfilled prophesies from the bible. The story goes, that no one knew who he was until after he died. The average person hearing that a guy was here for 37 years and preached the gospels and taught the words of Jesus Christ, would fall for the story of him coming in secret simply because:
1. He did not say that he was God.
2. He did not refer to himself as the second coming.
3. He did not baptize anyone in his name.
4. He just didn’t give any directverbal indications or hints to cause people to see him as the second coming. Therefore, we can say that it is obvious that he not the second coming.
However, if we were to review what he taught with what he did, we can then clearly see that Ahnsahnghong was giving obvious indications and hints that he saw himself as this second coming he preached and taught about. I would say that the clues were too obvious for anyone not to see what he was doing.
This is one of those cases where the messenger becomes the one to be worshipped and sometimes along the way, many people develop some sort of “spiritual ego” where they elect themselves as the “chosen one” and feel that they have to take matters into their own hands and make things happen.
In Ahnsahnghong’s case, I feel it is more myth added to the man, to enhance his status as a god and to nurture and help someone who is being recruited, to believe that he is indeed the second coming returned.
1. Ahnsahnghong never said that he was God. – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon
2. Ahnsahnghong was baptized at age 30, only to fulfill biblical prophecy – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon
3. Ahnsahnghong fulfilled all of the bible prophesies this is said the second coming will do – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon
4. Ahnsahnghong preached and taught that the second coming will “restore” the Passover and you will know who the second coming is by the “hidden manna”, which he apparently has brought – told to me face to face by a COG Deacon
The list goes on and on and it’s just too many to type and I want to spare readers the agony of reading a bunch of tiny words that is more or less a waste of time. What I know about the church’s doctrine is not out of ignorance. It has been told to me by a COG Deacon after spending 3 long hours getting spoon fed myths with truths and truths with BS. Then, then sharing information with a family member who is a part of the COG and I like to include my own research on the net which I can read both views from ex-members and compare them with actual members.
If it is not from a member of the COG or an ex-member, the information would not be as valid so I like to weed out the BS and what would be considered biased information from someone who is not a member, nor has ever communicated with anyone, whether family member or friend that is in the COG.
Nothing that I say about Ahnsahnghong is out of ignornace because it was told to me by members themselves and from what I’ve been told does match to what you and other members of the COG post in forums. If that is the case then what ex-members say about Ahnsahnghong is also out of ignornace and what they say matches what I and many others have been saying all along.
I will continue later with the rest.
– James
By: King James on August 5, 2007
at 4:16 am
Part2: Comparing Ahnsahnghong the Myth, with Ahnsahnghong the Man.
Ok I would suggest that people who are not yet familiar with the story of Ahnsahnghong, to read what an actual member believes about him and why. Whether if it’s going to the COG’s website to get a breakdown or reading what an actual member or members have posted about him. Either way, you must get familiar with his story, so there are no misunderstandings.
I’m going to start with a brief examination of the Myth of Ahnsahnghong. In my opinion, a few things that I will mention may seem to not have an type of biblical significance or importance based on reality, the COG uses them to further strengthen and fuel the Myth of Ahnsahnghog.
1. “Ahnsahnghong fulfilled prophecy when he was born unto non believers.”
If I am correct, the COG believes that the second coming of Christ must be brought forth to this earth by two nonbelievers in God. These two nonbelievers are Ahnsahnghong’s parents. This event as they believe, would fulfill biblical prophecy.
Please refer to:
Luke 18:8 and Hebrews 9:28
Those are a few verses (perhaps theres more) the COG use to prove their case on the Myth of Ahnsahnghong. They say, he will not find faith on Earth, meaning that he will not come here to worship and die for man-kind as he did over 2000 years ago, but to restore something that was lost.
This “something” that was lost, is said to be the Passover, which was abolished by Constantine and was never to be heard from again. That is, until Ahnsahnghong built a church and started to observe it once again after centuries of it being abolished and no church on earth observed it before Ahnsahnghong did or else there would be no reason for Christ to return and restore it once again if it was not abolished, well as they believed and as Ahnsahnghong preached and taught to his congregation.
Now I will try my best to cross examine that portion without being biased or subliminally pursuading anyone not to believe it.
Ok throughout the bible, God punished those who did not worship him. That is pure and undeniable facts and there should be no need to paste verses to prove it. However, as God is well known for his anger towards Idol worshippers, it appears that he was happy and pleased with two people who were not believers nor followers of him and his Bible. These two people who were Buddhist, worshipped a false god, which may have included bowing down to an idol of their god.
Yet, God was so pleased at what they were doing and allowed prophecy that has nothing to do with the religious beliefs of these two people, be fulfilled and allowed the woman to give birth to the second coming of Christ, which the COG would say is the Holy Spirit. While at the same time, the COG condemns any form of idol worship and even teaches that every religion including Buddhism is a false religion.
Athough their god came from this falsehood and totally contradicts what God stood for in the Bible. Once again as I have done many times, I would like to emphasize the amount of people who were killed by God’s wrath for worshipping idols, pagan gods and just plain ol’ not believing in him. And till this day, a COG member will tell you with a straight face that any other church and/or religion is false and idol worship is a sin.
There are no acceptions to te rule, well except for Ahnsahnghong and his parents and perhaps Mother Jerusalem and her parents too, of course.
You know, the more that I sit here and type, the more I feel it is a waste of my time. There are just too many contradictions to accept or ignore to believe this. I’m sorry but I’m going to stop because it’s just too much to go through.
I will leave it up to the readers to decide. You can visit the COG’s website here to learn a little abou them or perhaps visit them to get a better understanding without leaving the church baptized of course. If you’re going to take a sip then do just that, don’t drink the whole bottle. Meaning, if you’re going to go there and check it out then do just that, don’t allow yourself to get pressured into getting baptized.
Anyway, check out the websites to view both sides
COG’s website
http://english.watv.org/who/index.html
and
ExCOG’s website
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com//index.html
I’m done talking about this for now.
– James
By: King James on August 5, 2007
at 11:33 pm
I’ve enjoyed reading this blog over the past few days because it’s given me a lot of tools to use to defend myself from the WMSCOD people who’ve recently started recruiting in my apartment complex.
Scott and James, I couldn’t agree with you both more on your opinions about these zealots. They continually and repeatedly avoid answering the difficult questions because it would almost certainly expose them for what they really are, simply people like everyone else, confused and miserable seeking answers in the wrong places. I admire you both for standing up against these people because I’ve lost a good friend to a similar cult/sect.
I must state right off the bat that, I do not believe that any version of the bible or any religious/spiritual texts have any validity or basis from which logical argumentation can be constructed. I believe this for various historical, archaeological, philosophical, scientific, geological, mathematical, and psychological reasons (and I’m not even going to attempt to explain them because they are so numerous and not all commonly agreed upon. I don’t want to debate, I’m here to share my experience).
MY EXPERIENCE:
I was approached by these missionaries like everyone else with the passover pamphlets and historical texts claiming to “verify/prove the bible” and I thought to myself, “well this should be interesting.” So I let them inside giving them the benefit of the doubt, they didn’t seem as if they were dangerous or anything. They were dressed very presentable and seemed like genuinely nice people. At first I thought they were Mormons being that I live in Arizona (which to my knowledge has a high population of them) so I was going to use this opportunity to find flaws in their logic and build my defense for future encounters. I soon realized they weren’t Mormons at all and must be some sort of sect of Christianity. It was hard to understand what they were trying to show me because neither of these 2 people could speak English fluently. So they started jumping from scripture to scripture over-viewing Nebuchadnezzar’s dream and how it relates to the book of revelations. By this time a few hours pass and another one of them shows up. This person whose name is Hector (forgot his last name) is helping start a church in Chandler, Arizona. (( IF YOU LIVE IN THE PHOENIX AREA, WATCH OUT FOR THIS GUY AND HIS CROONIES))
Anyways, it got pretty serious when this guy showed up, with his “historical textbooks” and “mathematical facts” which all seemed wishy washy and EXTREMELY SELECTIVE in the biblical scripture they choose to analyze. (Scott, you made a really good point early on in this blog, “everything you quote from scripture [Ryan/John] can be turned around and used against you”.) It got even worse when he started bashing the Catholic Church. They attempted to convince me that the Roman Catholic church as it exists today fulfills the prophecy in revelations which states that “the Dragon” (Satan) will appoint “the Beast” (the Roman Catholic Church) to power. In effect, they claimed that the pope himself was a tool of the devil and backed it up with vague quotes from textbooks that they tossed around to one another, as if displaying “the Truth” in all its simplicity that everyone could easily “realize” if they just knew more about history. They even did some fancy mathematics with Roman Numerals on the Popes “official title” as leader of the church( i forget how it was pronounced) but the letter-numbers added up to “666”. Now at this point I was like, “Whoa, I didn’t sign up for this…” I mean, these are some serious accusations. I felt like I was deceived by these people and led on into taking the bait so they could unload this (on an impressionable/superstitious person) unexpectedly.
At that time I can remember feeling really nervous and pressured into agreeing with them. I mean they wouldn’t even let me build up a defense before they went off on some tangent about why what they say is true and you cant deny it because the bible is infallible. Plus, they were in a rush, being that they are trying to set up a church in the area. I had given these people the benefit of the doubt, let them in my home, given them ample amounts of patience and attention hoping that I’d get a good philosophical discussion out of it. Instead I got a brick wall of scripture quotations and illogical rebuttals. They kept telling me that if I only let them explain more throughly that I’d see the “whole iceberg”, instead of “just the tip”.
Firstly, I was offended, because by accusing the Catholic Church of being the tool of Satan they claim that a lot of my family members( who are some of the most truly benevolent people I have ever met aren’t worthy of “god grace” if they continue their religious practices.) I mean, the audacity and arrogance that these people is astounding. Especially since much of what they believe is based on pure speculation and a very liberal interpretation of highly selective, biblical prophecies.
Secondly, before I told them that we needed to wrap up this session, they started pressuring me into getting baptized… AS IF! I still didn’t realize how crazy these people where at the time however, so when they asked if they could see me again in 1 week. I just wanted them to leave me alone so I lied and said it would be fine. They gave me some more pamphlets and I asked them for their website, which I noticed they were sort of reluctant to offer me. They said that I’d see some stuff on their that wouldn’t flatter their religion and may appear a little weird… O RLY?! I WONDER WHY? maybe because they’re a cult and they don’t want you to know…?!
I did some research and read what people were saying and from what I can tell, they deceive naive people into accepting their fundamentals as truth and slowly get them ready for the mother load. In the mean time they suck all the available money/resources out of them in order to finance a community center establishing a base of command in each new city increasing the telescoping effect of their religions growth.
THEY CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT OUR ETERNAL SOULS BUT THEY ARE TRULY DRIVEN BY OBTAINING POWER AND CONTROL OVER YOU THROUGH THEIR ORGANIZATION. YOU CAN ATTEMPT TO DISGUISE THIS FACT BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT ALL HUMANS ARE GUILTY OF SEEKING CONTROL OVER ONE ANOTHER.
Some simple fundamental questions have been proposed on this blog previously, and the WMSCOD representatives have avoided them entirely. Why is that? Why do you think that they avoid these simple questions? It’s because they genuinely do not believe that they are wrong. ( no shit right?) So you argue with them to try and convince them with MORE SCRIPTURE QUOTES? Guys, its not going to work. Religious fanatics don’t live in the real world… they don’t have to because in their minds magic and “the supernatural” explain everything they want to know about, “God fills in the empty holes in their logic” and when they die, their souls go to a magical place called heaven that’s made out of light and clouds and hang out with god and jesus who both wear white robes and sandals.
People NEED to have a set of beliefs in order to make sense of their lives. It doesn’t matter what it is that they believe AS SO LONG AS IT WORKS.
So honestly how do you convince a crazy person he’s crazy when the crazy person doesn’t even know he’s crazy?!” *sigh*
If you really want enlightenment or seek the truth you won’t find it in thousand-year-old texts or ancient manuscripts. You find truth through scientific experimentation and observation. To seek the truth is to question EVERYTHING. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT CAN NOT BE PROVEN!
(If you disagreed with anything I said feel free to respond.)
By: Chad on August 6, 2007
at 10:10 am
You are right James, no one can convince anybody of anything. It comes down to whether you believe in the word of God or not. This so called “hispanic” Jesus has not fulfilled prophecy nor does he claim to.
So you could automatically cancel him out. That is not my opinion, but rather based on the Bible.
Second coming Christ must fulfill prophecy, period.
As I keep repeating over and over, it is up to YOU whether you want to believe in the Bible or not. It is not anybody’s job to convince.
And Chad, God’s people hear what God (the Bible) says. We show you what is in the Bible, and you say it could be used against us.
Then let’s see big guy. Show me.
You people talk a big game, but that is about it. The Bible is our sword and the truth will expose your faleshood everytime buddy.
I noticed something, people like James and Chad are really good at “attempting” to disprove certain beliefs. But it is funny, because when I sit here and listen to go against the truth, it just exposes your ignorance so clearly.
The truth is not meant for everybody. If you do not believe, then that is to bad. But do not make fools out of yourselves and try to argue the truth with foolish arguments.
If you want to make a fool out of yourself like Chad, then go ahead, I enjoy it.
By: ryan on August 6, 2007
at 11:10 am
Ryan,
It is not that I can not argue against the claims of Ahnsahnghong, it is just that it would be too much to go over and type. I’m better off dedicating a website on the subject but there’s already one courtesy of Ex-members of the COG and very informative seeing how it is written from an ex-member’s point of view and experience.
As far as the hispanic Jesus and any other people claiming to be Jesus. Well, how can someone claim to be Jesus without showing and proving it through the bible? They must have shown their followers bible scripture that would back up their claim of being Jesus and that inlcudes whatever prophecy that they want their followers to believe they fulfilled.
Nothing hard about doing that. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do it. And i’m speaking from my own personal experience as well. So I am not “attempting” something impossible, because it has already been done and written very well I must say.
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com//index.html
I’ve noticed something as well, people like you are also good at trying to use the bible as a weapon. It can be used against anyone. Which is why alot of chirstians like to use it against other chirstians to prove there hypocrisy. The bible is alot of christians “swords” which can be used against people, believers and non believers.
I see it’s usage similar to the way someone totes a gun, which is meant to intimidate and stir fear into someone. Here’s the “truth”, the truth is I am not argueing against the bible..period. I am argueing against Ahnsahnghong. Nothing more, nothing less. You want me to argue against the bible, it feeds your purpose and perhaps your ego.
Let’s argue about Ahnshanhgong’s kids and whether if they believe he is the second coming or not.
Let’s argue about Ahnsahnghong’s parents and Mother Jersusalem’s parents and whether if they believed and worshipped the God of the bible. And why God (who despise idol worshippers) would interact or have prophecy fulfilled through people who didn’t care not one bit about him or his bible.
That’s either a contradiction on God’s part or a misunderstanding of man’s part, mainly South Koreans.
Let’s argue about how Ahnsahnghong wrote and preached for 37 long years to his congregation, that must have consisted of people who were blind, deaf, and sock puppets to not notice or be ware that they were observing a holiday that Ahnsahnghong said to have been abolished, which only the second coming christ can restore.
That’s the only way to make sense of it. He must have been preaching to the blind, the deaf, and a bunch of sock puppets.
And how Ahnshanghong preached that the second coming will be the one to “restore” the same holiday that they were observing. You can not preach about something being abolished and tell your congregation, that only the second coming of christ will restore this holiday WHILE making the people observe this holiday.
That’s similar to me having followers and I preach and taught them for 37 years, that only the “True Divine Baker” can make a double chocolate cheese cake, which is something that has never been made for over 1000 years. Now, for 37 years of teaching that only the True Divine Baker can make this, I am also making this double chocolate cheese cake and presenting it to my followers to eat and enjoy once a year.
At some point one or all of my followers will question me asking, “how are you able to make this double chocolate cheese cake which only the True Divine Baker can make??”
Or in Ahnshangong’s case, “How are we able to observe the Passover, if only the second coming can restore it??”
People are not that blind and stupid, atleast I would hope not.
That being said, Ahnsahnhong’s congregation were observing this Passover while he was alive, yet they didn’t know that they were observing it? Wasn’t Ahnshanghong’s church the only church to observe it? Were the people in his congregation that, sorry to say..STUPID???
Yes, they must have been. They were too stupid to not be aware that their own church were observing this holiday that was preached and taught to them for 37 long years to be abolished, by the same person who built the church and made it manditory for his congregaton to observe and keep it because “Jesus said so”.
Stop, stop, stop using the bible as a distraction to cover up the stupidity of these Korean folks whom Ahnsahnghong preached and taught for 37 long years, that only the second coming can restore this holiday (passover) while forcing them to observe it or else face God’s wrath.
I’ve read some of his books, I know what he wrote. I have even posted some of this stuff on a few other forums. It would be foolish for me to believe this joker is worthy of me worshipping.
I see the type of person you are, Ryan. You ignore everything else except for what you have been taught.
Perhaps you’re a sock puppet as well.
– James
By: King James on August 7, 2007
at 6:39 am
To the sock puppet, Ryan.
Ahnsahnghong preach and taught about the Passover being abolished and said that only one individual (Jesus returned) can “restore” it, while at the same time, forcing his congregation to observe the Passover this is said only Jesus can “restore” and no one else. Sounds like someone was making a bold statement.
In 1964 Ahnsahnghong bult his first church, making Passover manditory to his congregation. How do I know, because it says on the COG’S website under the menu Welcome > History, that in 1984, Ahnsanghong observed Passover in Seoul, Korea.
If this was 1966, two years after Ahnshanghong built his church and I joined his church and was preached to taught by Ahnshanghong personally, that the purpose of the second coming of christ will be to come back and restore the Passover which he (Ahnsahnghong)as head pastor and owner of the church is making us (his congregation)observe, I would then start to wonder:
How are we able to observe the Passover that is said to have been outlawed and only the second coming of chirst can restore and is also said to be the sign of who the second coming is and what his purpose would be when he returns???
They keyword is Passover. If Ahnshanghong taught that the one to restore it, is the second coming of christ, then how is it possble that no one knew that Ahnshanhgong was this so called second coming, out of all that he taught and preached and especially what they were doing which was observing the Passover?
Ahnsahnghong preached that christ will come in secret but how is that even possible if the key component is the Passover, which is said no other church were observing?
Christ coming “in secret” to do something so noticable as restoring something so noticable and is said to have been outlawed, isn’t exactly “coming in secret”. A blind bat would be able to see the connection.
If Ahnsahnghong wrote in his books that Jesus will return in secret and if you believe that Ahnshanghong is him returned, then how exactly was he persecuted as your church claims that he was?
The story goes that no one knew who he was until after he died. You can not persecute someone that is said to come in secret and even his own congregation were not aware of, so how was he persecuted and by whom??
A guy who came in secret was persecuted…huh???
There, I’ve asked a few things without including one bit of bible scripture.
– James
By: King James on August 7, 2007
at 7:39 am
Chad,
I agree. I hate to sound so redundant but that’s what it takes for Jim Henson’s Muppets to understand. One of being Beeker aka Ryan.
I felt that I had to respond to him previously but he will ignore what I’ve asked and question my belief in the bible, instead of thinking about what I’ve written.
I was practically done here but apparently he likes the attention. This is persecution to him.
– James
By: King James on August 7, 2007
at 8:38 am
Ya man, trying to argue is a waste of time.
All I can really offer is some information, a book:
“Choice Theory” – by William Glasser
Read it or don’t read it, but In my opinion it makes a lot more sense than the Bible and (if you believe in Jesus) it may help you to understand how He wanted us to behave.
WE NEED A NEW COMMON SENSE, NOT A NEW RELIGION!
By: Chad on August 8, 2007
at 5:13 am
Wow, you people just do not get it. It is like talking to a wall.
But what shall I expect talking to people who do not belong to God. Their are children of light and children of dark.
Children of God and children of Satan. Read the Bible.
Your babble speak and convoluted logic is more than I can bare.
But it’s all good because YOU ARE GOD!
I feel sorry for you fools.
By: Ryan on August 11, 2007
at 3:54 am
This is what you garbled.
“That’s similar to me having followers and I preach and taught them for 37 years, that only the “True Divine Baker” can make a double chocolate cheese cake, which is something that has never been made for over 1000 years. Now, for 37 years of teaching that only the True Divine Baker can make this, I am also making this double chocolate cheese cake and presenting it to my followers to eat and enjoy once a year.
At some point one or all of my followers will question me asking, “how are you able to make this double chocolate cheese cake which only the True Divine Baker can make??”
Or in Ahnshangong’s case, “How are we able to observe the Passover, if only the second coming can restore it??”
People are not that blind and stupid, atleast I would hope not.
That being said, Ahnsahnhong’s congregation were observing this Passover while he was alive, yet they didn’t know that they were observing it? Wasn’t Ahnshanghong’s church the only church to observe it? Were the people in his congregation that, sorry to say..STUPID???
Yes, they must have been. They were too stupid to not be aware that their own church were observing this holiday that was preached and taught to them for 37 long years to be abolished, by the same person who built the church and made it manditory for his congregaton to observe and keep it because “Jesus said so”.
Stop, stop, stop using the bible as a distraction to cover up the stupidity of these Korean folks whom Ahnsahnghong preached and taught for 37 long years, that only the second coming can restore this holiday (passover) while forcing them to observe it or else face God’s wrath.”
You see, you just do not get it.
First of all you do not believe in the prophecies of the Bible. So why would you believe in the one who has fulfilled them?
Any attempt by you to discredit him as second coming Christ is ridiculous because you do not even believe the Bible.
Haven’t I already explained this to you? Why do you continue to embarrass yourself and write such nonsense with your “True Divine Baker” example.
YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN BIBLICAL PROPHECY!!
EARTH TO JAMES!
Yes James, I believe in the Bible, and history and science support the Bible. That is what I believe. You obviously do not. The destiny of your spirit after this physical life will not be such a nice place.
That is why I feel sorry for you.
By: Ryan on August 11, 2007
at 4:04 am
Psalms 53:1 — The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.
Proverbs 18:2 — A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.
Psalms 74:22 — Rise up, O God, and defend your cause; remember how fools mock you all day long.
Psalms 92:6 — The senseless man does not know, fools do not understand,
Proverbs 1:7 — The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
Proverbs 10:18 — He who conceals his hatred has lying lips,
and whoever spreads slander is a fool.
Proverbs 14:8 — The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways,
but the folly of fools is deception.
Proverbs 24:7 — Wisdom is too high for a fool; in the assembly at the gate he has nothing to say.
Proverbs 26:5 — Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
1 Corinthians 2:14 — The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Proverbs 12:1 — Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid.
By: Ryan on August 11, 2007
at 4:17 am
Thanks for not answering my questions moron. You can’t even answer simple questions that you don’t have to use the bible for.
If you don’t know the answer then say so, stop throwing bible verses at me dude. The questions that I’ve asked has nothing to do with you using the bible to answer.
I’m done with you, man. Keep it moving.
– James
By: King James on August 11, 2007
at 9:05 am
Awww, poor baby doesn’t like Bible verses.
Your done huh??
You are pathetic bro.
Ok, then. Let’s put Ahnsahnghong, Jesus, Jehovah, the Bible aside.
Do you WANT to believe that there is a higher power?
Do you believe in creation or so called “evolution”
What is your faith?
What are your convictions?
Let me sit back and hear where you are coming from. Im all ears to hear what you believe. Like I said before, I always struggled with believing that there was an absolute truth such as the Bible.
Now I believe for reasons I can show you if you are willing.
It seems as though you have a problem with the notion that there is a higher power governing our destinies.
If that is so, then that is your belief. But do you have an open mind to believe that there may be a higher power at work? and if so, do you think that the Bible may actually be the word of God as it claims to be?
It is only natural that I use Bible verses since I believe in the word of God.
If you want to steer the convesation outside the “Bible”, then that is fine. Go for it.
I can hang brother.
By: Ryan on August 11, 2007
at 3:18 pm
Thanks.
I’ll be Mr. Pathetic and you can be Mr. Moron.
How’s that?
I want you to explain a few things to me Ryan, so that I can see as clear as you do.
Explain the term “came in secret”.
Does it mean no one in the world knew who Ahnsahnghong was when he was alive?
Does it mean no one in S.Korea only, knew who he was when he was alive?
Does it mean back in 1964-1985, no one in his congregation knew who he was when he was alive?
Please fully explain (with examples if possible) this “coming in secret” thing, because I’m so pathetic and not one of “God’s chosen” and I so want to be one of “God’s chosen”.
THEN I want you to tell me if Ahnshanghong’s congregation saw him as THE same christ he preached to them about in the bible when he was alive EVEN THOUGH he preached that THE second coming of christ would return IN THE LAST DAYS to “restore” the same Passover that he (Ahnsahnghong) had them observing.
If his congregation did see him as THE christ, how does it explain him coming in secret and no one knowing who he was until AFTER he died?
If they didn’t see him as THE christ he spoke of to bring salvation, then who were his congregation waiting for to “restore” the Passover, if Ahnsahnghong had them observing it already?
Answer those questions in full detail please. These questions are based on his real life history which only those from his congregation in 1964-1985 should have the complete answers to, but since you know this guy so well to worship him, I am expecting you to answer them completely. Then I will compare your answers with a family member’s.
When you are finished, you can then go into explaining how somone who “came in secret” was persecuted by people, because I’m totally baffled by that as well. We’ll get into that after you answer the simple questions above.
I see your little game of hook-reel-and sinker. I’m only feeding into your sarcasm and responding to you in hope of getting some REAL answers.
It doesn’t take the bible to answer those questions. This guy’s life isnt so biblical and holy, so please refrain from spewing bible verses, they do not answer my questions on any level.
The End
– James
By: King James on August 11, 2007
at 4:16 pm
If someone from the ahnsahnghong, can get back to me. I am interested in learning about The Church of God believes. Please let me know where I can meet so that you can explain to me about your church.
I hope to hear from you at soon as you can.
Sincerely,
Madeline
By: Madeline on August 14, 2007
at 1:35 am
HEY ALL OF YOU ON THIS LONELY WEB SITE
YOUR ALL GONNA DIE
AND GO TO HELL ANY WAY FOR BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT HOPE YOU FIND IT COMFY THERE..
ICHINOSEKI
By: XXX on August 15, 2007
at 4:56 am
Shut the fuck up. You’ll be there first of all for worshiping a FAKE GOD. Nothing more than a typical CULT. Fake as Jim Jones and Moon, Sung Yung xerox copy. Fucking Koreans got some motherfuckin nerve comin here to the United States of America, who grants them their existence, talkin bout Jesus was a Budhist that had multiple bitches, multiple kids, that was Baptized in a Cult and predicted the Second coming of the real Jesus 3 times, IS JESUS. You got to be a stupid motherfucker believing that shit. Sorry motherfuckers brainwashing poor welfare mothers and college kids away from home for the first time. Taking their much needed money and shipping out of this country Tax Fuckin Free to the queen fucking Whore back in Korea. Ain’t that some motherfuckin shit.
By: RockBooty on November 24, 2009
at 4:13 pm
ROCKBOOTY, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE, TAKE ALL THAT HATE, AND NEVER BRING THAT TO A SERIOUS ADULT BLOGGING, WE WILL PRAY FOR YOU, GOD BLESS YOUR TROUBLED MIND, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT MAKE ANY!!!! SENSE……….THIS IS A CHURCH CONVERSATION, TAKE THAT LITTLE KID THUG MENTALITY AND PLEASE GO ON MYSPACE OR SOMETHING, THIS IS NERVE WRECKING AS IT IS
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:10 pm
WHEN PEOPLE WERE KICKING AND SPITTING AT JESUS AND PERSECUTING EXACTLY WHAT YOUR DOING, WHEN HE DIED ON THE CROSS AT THAT MOMENT, THEY REALIZED THAT THEY KILLED THE MESSIAH, BECAUSE OF THE PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, BUT TIT WAS TOO LATE, THEY KILLED GOD, YOU ARE SERIOUSLY IN ALOT OF TROUBLE, MOTHER AND FATHER ARE COMING WITH A HUGE WRATH, NORTH KOREA NUCLEAR WARFARE, DESTRUCTION FROM THE NORTH, A POWERFUL ARMY, A STRONG MILITARY WITH NO MERCY, JEREMIAH, ISAIAH, READ THOSE TWO BOOKS, NORTH KOREA ALREADY DID, 4 NUCLEAR TESTS ON UNITED STATES, THE CHURCH OF GOD HAS BEEN PROCLAMING THIS SINCE 1984, ITS ALL OVER THE NEWS NOW, DO YOU WANT EXACT SCRIPTURES
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:16 pm
Now that is funny Rockbooty. Although you should of left the bad words out. You should read my experience at the church of god when I was in there for 7 months. Did you know the Mother goddess sister was a church money embezzler?
By: xxxxx on February 3, 2011
at 2:25 am
Ryan,
I am still waiting for you to respond to my last post and give me those answers in full detail with examples.
and
XXX,
If you want to stab something, you can take a stab at answering those questions from my previous post above. Try doing that instead of sending me and others DEATH THREATS on the skepticism site in order to shut us up and stop us from exposing your false god.
It’s a shame what you people have to resort to. Killing me won’t stop others from postings and I’m still waiting for your god to destroy me as well. I’ve already told you to pray to him to do it.
– James
By: King James on August 16, 2007
at 3:47 am
OKAY WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS I CANT GO TO ANOTHER SITE TELL ME PLEASE KING JAMES
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:19 pm
Ryan you said:
“There are many prophecies in the Bible, that second coming Christ will bring back the Passover. This will be like his identification card so we can recognize the true Christ from among all the false Christs in the world.”
———
How can someone come in secret, yet give himself away by teaching of Passover and making his congregation observe the Passover as well, which would be his “identification card” to recognize the “true Christ” from the false.
So his congregation from 1964-1985 didn’t recognize him yet he showed his “identification card” which would be preaching of the Passover and having his congregation observe it. They were observing the Passover, how many more clues would they have needed to see him as the Christ?
I honestly don’t understand this “coming in secret” story and how no one knew who he was until after he died.
Ok so why didn’t his congregation see him as the Christ back then?
I really don’t get it.
Ryan, I will ask my family member who is in your church and I will post their answer, which might not be much seeing how it’s a bunch of contradictions.
You need to get back to me with those answers, I really don’t like unsolved mysteries.
– James
By: King James on August 18, 2007
at 4:34 pm
hey James, I think you made your point by now… you aren’t going to win this argument acting like “INTERNET WARRIOR”. If you read that Cult Watch website you posted a while back it’ll say avoid swapping insults and try to get the victim to educate themselves through subtle questioning. You can’t throw insults @ these guys and expect them to admit that they are wrong, it only re-enforces their ideology. take a breather and try forgetting about this blog and the fanatics that post on it. They want your attention, it makes them happy to know that people care about what they do. Don’t feed em anymore.
By: Chad on August 19, 2007
at 7:21 am
Hi Chad,
I wasn’t looking to “win” an arguement, just looking for some real answers and if those answers were to make sense, perhaps I can understand where he’s coming from. But since I don’t think I will get them anytime soon, I will give this site a break.
So, I see your point in that portion of your post.
Thanks and my apologies,
– James
By: King James on August 19, 2007
at 9:26 am
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html
By: COGisCULT on September 1, 2007
at 6:17 am
What’s up all you COG haters out there. Haven’t checked out the site in a while. I’m getting married, and been stressin with wedding plans etc.
Well, I see James that you still have questions. I dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Do you ask because you really want to know?
Why do you ask such questions if you have already made up your mind about Ahnsahnghong? I dont get it.
I will gladly explain what it means to come in “secret” using Christ Ahnsahnghong’s own teaching. You seem to take it literally, as if it means that absolutely no one will know who is second coming christ.
You clearly do not understand what it means to come in “secret” so your attempt to find fault with our doctine is invalid. This seems to be a recurring theme with you James.
You make arguments based on false information over and over again. Why don’t you just be quiet and just listen if you want to understand.
You don’t understand because you do not want to believe in the one who has come.
I feel like I am really wasting my time with you, but if I can correct the wrong ideas and understandings that you have about the Church of God, then maybe you would become a part of the heavenly family and we can be brothers.
How does that sound James? I’m being serious. You want to compare my answer with what you get from your family. Why? You want to try find fault again, dont you?
You say you just want to express your opinion, but why don’t you just be honest, and admit you are always trying to find fault with our doctrine, instead of trying to understand it.
You might “say” you are trying to understand it, but you are not my friend.
Whoever is posting those comments about going to hell and all that crap, we do not condone such actions. The reason I am here is for several reasons.
1.) It bothers me that some people may turn away from the truth because of the nonsense and lies that are spoken on these sites.
2.) Our message is salvation. I would love to see you accept this truth and be saved.
3.) But for those false prophets out there, I will expose and rebuke.
I don’t know what to consider you James. You persecute, then you ask questions like you really want to understand more about Ahnsahnghong’s teachings.
I just pray that one day that Father and Mother will soften your heart and you will try to really understand what we teach.
Anyways James, I will respond in regards to coming in “secret” shortly. I have been really busy lately.
God bless you.
By: ryan on September 2, 2007
at 8:31 am
That’s your problem, you want to figure me out and categorize me. Put in a box so to speak. I don’t understand because you people are not clear about what you believe and what you say.
In one complete sentence, one word may be taken literal, while another word is not. I never knew “secret” had two meanings to it.
All of that typing and you could have been answering my questions, yet you would rather wasting more time writing about why I want to know rather than helping me understand where you’re coming from. And to make it worse, you’re going to repeat what Ahnsahnhong wrote as if it weighs more than anyone else’s word.
Please..do respond. I’ve been wanting this answered for over a year now..literally.
– James
By: King James on September 2, 2007
at 1:51 pm
Ryan,
One last thing. If you are planning on giving me answers, please, please refer to the questions that I have posted above dated 8/11/2007, to avoid any repeated questions by me. Would save us both alot of time and trouble. And again please, explain what you mean in full detail and with examples so there wil be no misunderstanding on my part. I’m looking forward to reading the examples of the word secret using the dictionary’s definition and another example with the term that you are using it as in regards to Ahnsanhghong. One literal and another out of context.
Umm..that’s it I guess.
Thanks.
– James
By: King James on September 4, 2007
at 10:50 pm
From you what last wrote, it is clear you have no intention in understanding.
You want to use the dictionary agains the word of God. Go figure.
I have read all of your arguments about this whole “coming in secret” business. You just love to find fault without understanding.
You said, “’m looking forward to reading the examples of the word secret using the dictionary’s definition and another example with the term that you are using it as in regards to Ahnsanhghong. ”
You clearly do not have a mind to understand.
James, why should I waste my time with you?? You have a narrow and arrogant mind. You will never understand the way of righteousness. Your wisdom only comes from the way of the world. I even have that. Maybe one day you will wake up.
You are not seeking the truth. Therefore you will never find it. You are a lost cause my friend. Thank you for posting what you did. Now I dont have to waste my time with you.
If you ever want to know the truth of why we are even here on this earth in the first place, then let me know.
In the mean time, keep on hatin’. Sadly, that is all you know how to do.
By: Ryan on September 7, 2007
at 5:22 pm
Ryan,
I have said nothing wrong. I asked you to explain things so that I can understand what you mean since you are saying that I am using certain words or phrases in their literal or dictionary definition.
Dude, what do you mean I don’t have the mind to understand? We are all capable of understand anything as long as it is fully explained. You’re bascially telling me or someone else to believe without question. I’m sorry but that’s not going to happen.
Anyway, I would assume that this “coming in secret” term that you are using to prove your case would mean Christ coming down in flesh and not coming down in some glorious, spectacular way for everyone to see, as some people would believe, with lights and harps playing in the background. If that’s the way you are using the term “coming in secret” then that’s all you should have said.
In a sense it would be coming in secret because he’s not coming down with power and great glory but “in secret” by being born in flesh, or a human body, so yes no one around the world would know that he came.
However, using that as something to prove your case really doesn’t make any sense seeing how everyone who claimed to be Christ was in flesh. Every false christ around the world known and unknown are in flesh, so that term of coming in secret doesn’t hold any weight seeing how anyone can claim to be Christ for the simple fact that they are in physical bodys, hence “coming in flesh”. So doesn’t that mean that ALL of the false Christ also came in secret? I would say so.
So the literal term secret which means no one knowing is dismissed because the word secret according to your church really means “coming in flesh”. Which still doesn’t explain the term “no one knowing who he was until after he died”.
Apparently the word secret is used literally and out of context, to explain his appearance. Do you still think that I do not have the capacity to understand? I think I’ve covered both ways in which the word secret can be used and since you have explained to me that the word is not taken literally, then I can only go with the other explaination of him, which is, “him not coming down from the sky” or whatever.
You can think what you want about me, it doesn’t matter. A person with a narrow mind doesn’t question everything, so I would say that I don’t have a narrow mind. A person who is arrogant thinks he’s right even when he could be wrong, that’s how big that person’s ego is. I’m not arrogant, seeing that I don’t know everything, which is why I question everything and if it doesn’t make sense to me then I will ask more questions until I understand.
If what you say is the truth then you should have a problem explaining it because nothing can weigh against it. However, your church is using the term coming in secret in it’s literal meaning and out of context. That does not make sense. You can’t use both meanings, it’s either one meaning or the other, because if you are using both then it will clash. You can not use both terms without contradicting yourself and you know that if you were to explain it in full detail, that’s exactly what you will be doing.
It’s one meaning or the other, not both. You can’t use the word secret to mean:
1. No one knowing
and
2. Coming down in flesh and not in some glorious fashion from the sky.
If the word secret refers to definition number 2, then how would you explain the fact that no one knew until AFTER he died, which then you would have to use definition number 1. Given the fact that the word secret is used once in a complete sentence, to mean two different things at the same time.
That is just crazy, confusing, and contradicting.
So that is why I am questioning you in regards to that small part of Ahnsahnghong. Not the bible, not Jesus, but Ahnshanghong..period.
That’s all I have to say so, good luck on your marriage. You don’t have to respond by the way, I feel that I have an understanding of the story about C.A.S.H, I understand that it’s total BS.
– James
By: King James on September 7, 2007
at 9:15 pm
Chad,
My younger brother has been with the COG for about a year now, and for the last several months he’s been going to Arizona to preach. I recently spoke to him and found out his “Deacon’s” name, Hector Flores and the other is Leo (?last?). I read your message where you said these people came to you house.
I’m just really concerened and have been researching this religion for months now and the more I learn the more scared I become. My reasearch tonight has lead me to this website and I just thought I would try to get some advise on how I can help my brother basically be “deprogrammed” if that makes any sense.
My brother is going to Korea the first week of October to see the mother christ and I am totally beside myself, b/c we are worried that he won’t be coming back. My entire family is scared to death. He’s so far away (in Cali)from us (Louisiana) and we can’t get him to.
If you know of anyone or an organization we can contact for help, we would greatly appreciate it. Thanks and sorry to bother you.
~Jessie
By: Jessie on September 12, 2007
at 11:19 am
Oh dear. I’m sorry that I really don’t know any organization that can help you. I hope your brother remains alright.
Perhaps you might try looking for an anti-cult organization, if they exist? I apologise again that I don’t know enough to help you.
King James or anyone non-COG, would you be able to help?
By: Jamie on September 12, 2007
at 12:52 pm
Hi Jessie,
Sorry to hear about your brother. A family member of mine have visited South Korea in the spring. So, I can relate with you, however I can only offer you my opinon and a little bit of information.
Ok in my opinion, I feel the best thing to do is to continue to educate yourself and don’t be afraid of getting yourself familiar with their doctrine, and their books. I’m not telling you to go and get baptized but read what they are saying and use your own rational judgement. It’s not for everyone, which is why everyone won’t accept it, no matter how “truthful” they claim it to be. The best thing to do is to try to understand him, which could be hard because they tend to dangle these “mysteries” and “secrets” over peoples head to keep them wanting to know more about a bunch of BS stories made up to enhance their gods (Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem) status. Then eventually, suggesting the person to go in and get baptized.
I’m having a bit of trouble getting Ryan to explain the term “coming in secret”. I have an idea of what he means but I want him to explain it. Anyway, if your brother is a grown man, I don’t see how you or anyone else would be able to stop him from going to South Korea. A family member of mine went to South Korea and came back convinced that Mother Jerusalem is a god, but when the time is right, I will sit down with her and try to share information, communicate and ask her, if the church is so truthful, why are there ex-members? Something must be wrong. They might blame the person and make it seem as though it’s their fault for not understanding or losing their faith after two or five or even ten years of being a member.
However, if the simple equation of 1+1=2 represents truth, how many people in the world are disagreeing with this truth…none. So if their church and doctrine also represents truth, there shouldn’t be any disagreements and there definately shouldn’t be ex-members. Actually, there should be no such thing as an ex-member from their church, especially after someone has been a member for two or five or even ten years.
So yea, something is not right.
The second thing that I suggest is to perhaps speak with an ex-member. Find out why this person left, actually find out everything you can from them. The best information that you can get is from someone who has already walked in that particular path already. Information from anyone else wouldn’t be valid, in my opinion.
If you can, you can contact an exmember who created this site based on his experience as well as other ex members and their experience in the church.
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/index.html
That’s probably the best that I can do for you, hope I’ve helped just a little. Your brother now believes the world will end very soon, so don’t be surprised at some thing that he will do that may seem odd or weird to you.
– James
By: King James on September 12, 2007
at 5:47 pm
Ryan/John/Hector ~
Can you tell me why all COG members sound the same? Like a broken record? While reading your blogs, I felt like I was talking on the phone with my brother. There is soooo much to learn about the bible and GOD yet when I read something from the COG it’s the same stuff over and over.
I’m just curious and thought I’d ask.
Jessie ~
By: Jessie on September 13, 2007
at 8:56 am
Oh please! If members of the church of god are such strong beleivers what are you doing checking on peoples comments. then you really must be a cult because if you werent you wouldnt care what people say. Dont worry, someone will put an end to this crap, if not God (himself). you are a total disrespect for everything christ has established, and Gods anger will be shown for worshiping this idol that you call mother jerusalem. my advise is read 1 Corinthians 14 vs 33-35 and decide for yourself (not the Church because the church is not going to give you eternal life, and definetely not mother, it will be your faith) whether God would preach as a woman. I pray that you will come out of the darkness spread by this church. i went there, but God reveals the truth about false prophets, and this ahnsanghong is no exception. please get out of this cult before its too late.
By: Jason on September 14, 2007
at 7:35 pm
you’re right because i was also a victim of this .. and i was baptized by them.. i told them that i was already baptized but they told me about the re baptizing. i couldn’t sleep for a few nights thinking about this. and i always to pray to God that he will guide me..
one day when i was out of our school these two Korean girl called me and they told me to go to their church .. so i went home immediately and went to their church..they told me about the Sabbath .because that day was saturday.. i stayed there and joined them 7-8:30pm worshiping . . when i was to leave i saw a church . . and i don’t know .. it seems that someone is forcing me to enter that church .i saw a kid and asked her if what is going on inside and she’s answering me but i don’t understand what she’s saying. so i waited for a few minutes outside that church. few minutes past. there was a lady who came out and looking for her daughter (the kid) . so i asked that lady .what church is that and she answer me.. i felt happy that time because i think i found the answer to my questions . and i know that God was the one who guided me that time .and the lady told me to come back tomorrow..so that’s what i did..i came back the next day (sunday) .i opened this to the pastor.(it was my first time to met the pastor) and he told me about the truth .. i almost cried when we prayed together and thanking Jesus Christ our God for guiding me and letting me out of this darkness ..so i texted the two korean girl that i’m not attending their church anymore. my experienced when they recruited me was the same to the post above..
–God Bless. and I hope that everyone will know the truth..
By: keesha on February 20, 2012
at 12:02 am
I just recently became a COG member. Reading so much on the church being a cult is disturbing, but makes me think twice about what i just got myself into… Everybody on this site seems like they just want something to argue about and are extremly disrespectful calling people stupid and pathetic… Why argue about our beliefs??? In the end I guess we’ll just see which one was the truth!
By: Faith on October 5, 2007
at 12:30 am
faith, i want to tell you that you’re heart knows the truth. and keep praying to God (not ahnsahnghong) that he will lead you to a right path and always guide you..
God Bless..and hope you will find the answers.. :))
By: keesha on February 20, 2012
at 12:10 am
Would you really want to wait until the end to find out whether what you believed in was truth or falsehood? Especially since it involves an eternity of happiness vs one of suffering?
By: Jamie on October 5, 2007
at 5:48 am
Well when you think about it everybody believes that their religion/beliefs are going to bring them to paradise, but which one is the real truth?? There are hundreds of religions out there, and everything the COG tought me was writen in the bible in black and white, who am I to question the word of God??? So which religion is truth and which is false? Nobody knows for sure, but say this is the “truth,” then we all know what happens to the people who doubted it right??? And if it is “false” then yes it’s obviously going to be too late in the end, but I’m willing to take my chances… Like I said before, everybody thinks that their own beliefs/religion is going to bring them to paradise, and honestly no one will know the REAL truth until our ending days.
By: Faith on October 5, 2007
at 10:33 pm
Faith writes: “who am I to question the word of God???”
——-
Well obviously no one according to your own beliefs. But if you think about it, how can you offend someone who apparently “knows all”? The only way that you can offend someone with a question is by asking it to a person who claims to know everything, yet out of frustration, they get angry at you for asking the question because they do not have the answer. Which means you have exposed them for not “knowing all”.
Hence, any preacher, teacher or parent that would tell someone in their congregation, student, or child to not ask such questions. Basically, DO NOT TO QUESTION AUTHORITY and since God is the “ultimate authority”, you shouldn’t question him.
But why not? Someone who “knows all” would just answer the question if they really knew, without any resistance. Doesn’t make sense for someone to know all that exist only to get angry at questions.
Why are you to question? Well, i’ll tell you. You ARE SOMEONE who wants to know, that’s who you are.
We all need to stop creating our own low self esteem issues.
– James
By: King James on October 7, 2007
at 8:23 am
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/
By: Cult on October 22, 2007
at 9:43 am
A saying goes as follows.”Look before you leap”. This is what i have to say to most of the people proclaiming the church of god to be a cult.
The following verse is what most of them take to criticize the church of god Galatians 1:8 Paul said; But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
Yes the one teaching other that Gospel shold eternally be condemned.
But wait a sec.
To whom is Paul referring to????
To church of god who does what exactly the bible testifies or the one who are just following the cult of celebrating the christmas, sundayworship,etc. I think the people should just first look at themselves before judging others.
And our father and mother truly are the Lord.
In Luke 18:8 he said that noone will believe in son of man(Jesus) when he will come again.
in rev 3:12 he said that he will come to earth again with a new name and surely guys whose home is the eternal hell surely wont beleive in him.
He said in matthew 24:30-31 that he will come in clouds.The real cloud or is it just a parable.
if u look in matthew13:34 u will see that he said all the things in parable.
So what is represented by cloud in the holy bible?
if u look in hebrew 12:1 then u will know that cloud represents the body. So he will come down to earth again in body to restore truth and to save the redempted ones.
And for the time.
if u look in matthew24:32 u will see that he will come when the fig tree shed its leaves.So what does fig tree represent?
if u look in jeremiah24:5 u will find that frits of the fig tree represents the people of Isreal. Therefore the fig tree represents Isreal. There are many other verses like luke 13 :6, mark 11 :6 which testifies Isreal is represented by fig tree in bible. So according to prophecy the fig tree shed its leaves and Lord ahanshang hong at the age of 30(just like jesus) got baptized and start preaching the gospel. So I suggest the people to come in church of god and learn more about the prophecy of the second christ our Lord ahanshang hong and heavenly mother jeruslaem as mentioned in Galatians 4 :26 but the woman who is above is free and she is our mother and if u look at other bible it is written that the heavenly jerusalem represents Sarah and she is our mother.
By: Sanjay on October 22, 2007
at 8:49 pm
Today i wnat to make clear to all the people about the parable of the weeds and the good seeds of the heaven.
If u look at Matthew 13:24-30 Jesus spoke about the good seeds of wheat and the weeds in parable.
And the meaning of this parable is given in another verse.
Lets check it in Matthew 13:36-43.
So lets compare parable with meanings.
Farmer – Son of Man(Jesus)
Field – World
Good Seeds – People of heaven
Weeds – Evil ones
Enemy – Devil
Harvest – End of the world
When farmer slept – When Jesus’ physical body died. (Related verses are Luke 8:52-The house was
filled with people weeping and wailing. But he said,”Stop weeping! She isnt dead; She’s only asleep.) (JOhn 11:11-13- THen he said ,”our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep.But now I will go and wake him up.” THen disciples said,”LOrd if he is sleeping, he will soon get better! They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus has died.
Now I think you are pretty clear about the meanig .
Now lets find out the good seeds that Jesus farmed.
1. Baptism
Mark1:9 – He got baptized in the river.
Baptism should be taken only by the sinners, but being a Lord and also not commited any sins why did he took baptism??
If u look in JOhn 13:15- I have given u anexample to follow . DO as i have done to you.
So we should follow Jesus’ example.
2. Sabbath
Mark1:11 – When Sabbath day came, he went into Synagogue and began to teach.
3. Passover
Luke22:7-18 He clebrated the passover according to the new covenant.
4.Feast of Tebernacles
John 7:2- But soon it was time for the Jewish Festival of shelters.(tebernacles)
John 7:14 – Then midway through the festival Jesus went upto the temple and preach.
5.Pentecost
Acts2:1 – On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place. Suddenly there was a sound from heaven like a roaring of a mighty windstorm……………………………as the holy spirit gave then mighty ability.
5. Covering of head by female
1 Corinthinans 11:5 – But a woman dishonors Christ if she prays or prophesies without a covering on her head, for this is same as shaving the head.
6. Trimming of hair by male
1 Corinthians 11:14 -“Isnt it obvious that its disgraceful for a man to have a long hair?”
So these are some of the good seeds of wheat Jesus farmed before his physical death.Then, after his death what are the weeds that were planted y the devils and not written in the bible.
1. Christmas – 25th december ; birthday of the Sun according to ROman and Pagan Custom.(Realted verse Ezekiel8:16 – Then he brought me into ……………………………………………………………………., there were about twenty five men with their backs to the sanctuary of the Lord. They were facing east, bowing low to the ground, worshippng the Sun.
2. SUnday worship – Constantine in 321A.D. changed Sabbath into Sunday worship.
3.Worship of Cross and Image of VIrgin Mary – IN 331 A.D. worship of Cross was adopted .
Jeremiah 10 : 3-5 – Their ways are futile and foolish. THey cut down and a tree and a craftsmen carves an idlol. They decorateit with gold and silver and then fasten it with gold and silver and then fasten it securely with hammer and nails. So it wont fall ver. Their idols are like helpless Scarecrows in cucumber field.
And the worship of image of virgin Mary.
Jeremiah 2:17 – To an imalge carved from piece of wood they say,”you are my father” and to and Idol chiseled form a block of stone they say,”you are my mother.”
6.Baptism
And baptism process has also been changed.THey sprinkle some water over people’s face. And say that you have been baptized. SO these are the weeds that were grown by the devils after Jesus died.
Now will these weeds go to the heaven.
I dont think so niether does the Bible.
Matthew 13:30- Let both grow together until the harvest, THen I will tell the harvesters to sort out the wees tie them into bundles and burn them and put the wheat into the barn.
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who calls out to me,”Lord!,LOrd! will enter the kingdom of heaven.ONly thise who actually do the will of my father in heaven will enter………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..I wll reply,”I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break Gods Law.
1 John 2:3 – And we can be sure that we know him if we obey his commandments.If someone claims,”I know God”. But doesnt obey GOds commandments that person is a liar and is not living the truth……………………Those who say they live in GOd should live their lives as Jesus did.
So I suggest anyone who reads this article to judge him/her self whether is a weed or a seed of wheat for wheats will be resurrected from dead and will shine as brightly as stars forever and weeeds to inherit eternal shame and everlating shame and pain in hell.
By: Sanjay from Nepal on October 25, 2007
at 12:54 pm
wOOt! I’m going to hell! Hell yeah! Woohoo! I can’t wait!
Oh wait a second…everything you talked about is rubbish! That means I’m not going to hell? Awww…
If you bothered to do more research into why none of your points are valid except on the surface, why, you’d have regretted spending so much time and effort writing your comment. COG WMS follows the letter of the law but forgets the spirit of the law.
By: Jamie on October 25, 2007
at 10:11 pm
Sanjay must be a newbie to the church, they tend to be the ones who over post.
Give it 10 or so years, Sanjay, you’ll find yourself getting into a new religion.
– James
By: King James on October 26, 2007
at 8:04 pm
Well if you think I am wrong why dont you prove I am wrong b using the bible but not just by using the useless words. One thing I find most common in all the christians is that they dont tend to look at the bible and always be stubborn. Take the lesson from the Jews 2000 years ago. They didnt want Jesus as God because they were stubborn and they didnt beleive the prophecies of the bible and eventually it led to the destruction of their own. Do what pleases God(Ephesian 5:9) not worship him in your own style.
By: Sanjay on November 5, 2007
at 8:49 pm
Prove you wrong? That statement shows your inexperience. You’re so gung-ho about proving someone wrong and inviting anyone to try and prove you wrong. My words weigh more than you copying and pasting bible scripture and some dude’s interpretation on them.
Pumping bible scripture will do what, it’s been done before. Maybe you should read through this whole forum and catch up a bit, because I’ve been there and done that. As I said before, give it 10 or so years, you’ll find yourself getting into a new religion.
For the record, I don’t care about Jews of 2000 years ago. That’s like comparing man’s understanding of the universe now, compared to man’s understanding in Galileo’s time. Obviously there is a big difference.
As new information becomes available, our limited understanding of anything, becomes more and more clear, which allows mental growth or evolution in the mind.
You and anyone else LOWERING yourselfs to compare people in 2007 to other people from 2000 years ago shows that you have not grasp onto your own evolved mind. Before you take anyone challege to prove you wrong, how about putting your own beliefs to the test and proving it wrong. To know if something is “truth” it has to not only withstand the test from other but your own test. You probably couldn’t do that though, fear probbably grips your heart.
– James
By: King James on November 6, 2007
at 9:52 pm
I just wanted to post this for Ryan and all others from the Church of God… Please defend our name and integrity. Proclaim Father & Mother until the end ENDURE.. The devil is testing us with these websites that claim us to be a “cult” to break us from our strong faith. How can we be a cult when we follow each and every teaching to a t?? Sabbath/The Feasts/Veil… Its all black & white and its in the bible.But yet those out there breaking God’s law want to stand taller and throw our name to the ground. How can any of you accuse us of being a cult? How can you judge us, when you dont even know us?! If there is a way to contact my brothers in the truth please tell me.
Matthew 1:3
3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
You obviously don’t know Him who sent Jesus. Learn the prophesies before pointing fingers
-Liz
By: Lizzie on November 7, 2007
at 7:39 pm
Lizzie,
Ok you follow the Sabbath/The Feasts/Veil and PASSOVER, which is the icing on the cake it seems, and is something that no other churches are doing…OK.
Now what does that have to do with no one not knowing that Ahnsahnghong was this “god” you all claim him to be when he was alive preaching?
If this DUDE preached to his congregation that “only the TRUE church” observes Passover, and only the second coming can restore it, how can his congregation who he preached to when he was alive NOT know that he was this second coming you all are worshipping?
What, these people didn’t know that they were observing Passover or something? C’mon, the guy should have been worshipped when he was ALIVE by his congregation for restoring something that he preached was “LOST” which HE (Ahnsahnghong)also preached that NO OTHER CHURCH ON THE PLANET were observing…simple as that.
The guy gets recognized and worshipped AFTER his death? Check your facts to see how long this DUDE/MAN (not God), preached about the Passover being “abolished” and check your facts to see how long he had his congregation observing this Passover, then tell how it would be possible for his congregation not to know that they were observing a holiday this guy claimed only GOD can restore.
Read what I say carefully then check your facts, whether through your Pastor or perhaps your Mother God can telepathically communicate with you and give you the answer. I’m very tired of these silly games you people try to play. You talk all of this bible stuff but ignore the reality of some POWERLESS DUDE and his little POWERLESS girlfriend.
– James
By: King James on November 7, 2007
at 9:42 pm
Also, if the DUDE never claimed to be God. Then who the hell persecuted him and for what reason would they persecute someone that never claimed to be God?
Oh wait, let me guess, he wasn’t persecuted, it was the church that was being persecuted right? It was the church that was being persecuted by other churches for observing the Passover for one and the feasts and any other holiday no other church observed right?
That’s where the persecuted stuff must come from since HE (Ahnsahnghong)wasn’t persecuted for claiming to be God.
Ok now, throughout history what church HAS NOT been “persecuted” (if you want to call it that) by other churches from being different? I can give you a long list if you want. You want to talk about pointing fingers? Well what about the fingers that you all are pointing at other churches?
If you want to call that persecuted then cool but to my knowledge and throughout history, anyone or people who were persecuted experienced either death or received cruel and unjust punishments.
Look at Ahnsahnghong, not a scratch on his skin…wow, now that’s what I call persecution. Probably never been in a fist fight. The only persecution this dude probably received was perhaps from his wife smacking him upside the head.
– James
By: King James on November 7, 2007
at 10:26 pm
COG Members obviously don’t know Jesus or Him who sent Jesus. If they did, they would definitely know that Anhsanghong was never Jesus.
O modern day Pharisees, when will you stop allowing Satan to blind you and wake up to the truth? You teach as doctrines the teachings of men and accuse others of persecuting you when they merely speak the truth. If something is a sin, call it a sin! An onion is an onion no matter how what name you may try to call it. False teachings are false teachings no matter what you might try to say.
Honestly, if all those who profess to be followers of Jesus Christ actually KNEW Him personally, there wouldn’t be these deceptive cults. They’d have no power over the truth.
By: Jamie on November 7, 2007
at 11:53 pm
Like God the Father said in the Bible; My sheep listen to my voice.
Just as I was told to “check the facts” you should too before speaking. This “girlfriend” of Ahnsahnghong who we refer to as “New Jerusalem” was a mere baby, she could not have been his “lover” I know my facts, do you? You dont know anything of this church. You only follow what you have heard.
Every church claims to be the “ONE” but can they back that up? Can THEY personally say we resemble the early church? Can they prove to keep all of Gods commandments? NO! So can they say they are the ONE? But yet when a church that does resemble it comes along, you tackle it and call it a cult! Did you know that 2000 years ago they called Jesus and his disciples a sect… or a cult? The same thing is happening again. Just like it was in the time of Jesus, after Jesus’ death more people worshiped him than when he was alive.
Did you know that many people knew of the Second Coming Christ?? I bet you didnt! You sound just like the Pharisees from 2000 years ago. I read that some bloggers ask that we shouldnt compare the people of 2000 years ago to these of the new age… fine, but why do all of you imitate them from 200 years ago? You yourselves are acting just like them.
How much of the bible do you know? How much does your Spiritual Leaders actual reveal to you? Only what they want to.
Look at Ahnsahnghong you say, he had no scratches on his skin. Did you personally see him to even say that? How in the world can you say he had nothing on him? Because of a picture? Oh please!
In response to Jaime…
You’re right… I say the same right back at you!
O modern day Pharisees, when will you stop allowing Satan to blind you and wake up to the truth? You teach as doctrines the teachings of men and accuse others of persecuting you when they merely speak the truth. If something is a sin, call it a sin! An onion is an onion no matter how what name you may try to call it. False teachings are false teachings no matter what you might try to say.
We follow the bible 100%. We recognize the Second Coming Christ I am so sorry you fail to see. As it is said:
Matthew 13:11
He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
” ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
May God have mercy on those of you who are blind and cannot see the light, who cannot recognize the Christ. Not just I but other Church of God members have attempted to open your spiritual eyes so that you may see. Ryan or “John” as you called him gave you many of these treasures to you but I do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw my pearls to pigs.
John 8
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
By: Lizzie on November 8, 2007
at 6:16 am
Ok Lizzie, let’s consider this woman whom you worship as a god was a “mere baby” at the time.
Now Ahnsanhghong born in 1918, his little girlfriend wasn’t born obviously at the time.
Ahnsahnghong was 30 years old in 1948, his little girlfriend was perhaps in her late teens/early 20’s if not a bit older.
Ahnsahnghong was 67 years old in 1985, his little girlfriend was perhaps in her 50’s. Because if she is in her 60’s early seventies in 2007, she must have been old enough to have relations with the DUDE in her younger age.
Sorry but 1985 wasn’t that long ago. I was alive in 1985. This chick is probably the same age as my grandmother if not a bit older.
Let’s go to the year 1960, BEFORE he (Ahnsahnghong) built his first church. Ahnsanhghong was 42, his little girlfriend was perhaps 38 (give or take). I’m just estimating because if she is in her 70’s now, then she must have been around that age. So the chick was old enough to have relations with the DUDE.
If you say that she was a “mere baby”, well at this time in 2007, you better have proof that she is younger than 60 and 50 is cutting too close because my own mother is in her 50’s. I would say she better be younger than 60. If she is in her late 60’s early 70’s then this MERE baby was NOTHING but.
You want to assume that I don’t know much, well whatever that is hidden is hidden because they do not want the public to know the truth. If this Mother chick is in her late 70’s early 80’s then I would advise you to retract your statements because you are defending BS.
Again, if you believe “Mother” was too young to have a friendship with this guy, well then she better be younger than my grandmother and my grandmother is about 70. Even my grandmother could have had relations with this dude back in 1960, 1970, and 1980. Heck, even in 1950, my own grandmother could have had relations with him since she would have been about 20 in 1950 and he would have been 32. Where is the “mere child” in a 20 year old?
One last thing, who do you think introduced Mother Jerusalem to the congregation? He did. Do you think that she just all of a sudden came into the congregation and said, “Oh I’m mother Jerusalem, I’m the person who will guide you in the lastdays”.
Either this guy saw himself as God or he didn’t. I have checked my facts because the source of my facts are from a family member who is a part of your church.
If we are the same as the people 2000 years ago, then you are no different for you do not agree with other people who worship other men as god. To them, you are the same as the people of 2000 years ago because you reject THEIR BELIEF and idea of some guy they are worshipping as a god. At some point, you too are a nonbeliever in someone’s Christ or god. Perhaps the hispanic guy who says he’s Jesus returned, well I’m sure to the people who worship him, you too are a nonbelieving heathen and will burn in hell. Makes no difference.
Why don’t you try answering my simple question.
Who the hell persecuted him and for what reason would they persecute someone that never claimed to be God?
– James
By: King James on November 8, 2007
at 8:09 am
What makes it even funnier is that you see this dude as “Father” and his litle girlfriend as “Mother”. Appears to me that they are a couple. Obviously, they had to have some kind of relations if you believe you will see them in Heaven together while referring to them as your Father and Mother.
Hence them being your “Heavenly Father”, Heaven Mother” and overall “Heavenly Parents”. Making her a BRIDE at some point and since you see him as Christ, well I guess she would be the bride of Christ, according to your beliefs. Would be gross to know that a MERE BABY will hook up with some old dude in Heaven but yet, you reject and ignore that they were together on Earth, according to your belief of course.
No sense what so ever.
– James
By: King James on November 8, 2007
at 9:15 am
James,
I see you don’t understand the Spiritual you see only with your physical eyes. May God have pitty on you.
By: Lizzie on November 8, 2007
at 9:43 am
Thanks for not answering my question. You all want people to believe the impossible (ie: Mother being Omniscient) but when people ask for the impossible to be done (ie: Mother proving that she knows all), you accuse the people of being ignorant or “spiritually blind”.
You all say she is a god, yet, you nor she can’t prove it because you all want to use the same old scripture that “god will not come to work miracles but to bring salvation”. Then you want to give her credit for working miracles in people’s lives. You are all confused.
Get real, Lizzie.
– James
By: King James on November 8, 2007
at 10:11 am
LOL Lizzie you know what? You answer just like a Muslim when cornered by a question they can’t answer! You don’t answer, but instead engage in ad hominem attacks. You don’t debate past the initial, shallow point, but only post verses from the holy book you subscribe to without explanation AS IF that were a good argument in itself. Haven’t you been educated in how to write a proper argument?
I dismiss everything that you’ve said because you’re just like all those under Satan’s control but who don’t know it. Pretty soon you’ll start engaging in more and more ad hominem attacks and insults.
LOL. COG WMS’s tactics for answering tough questions is so similar to Muslims’.
By: Jamie on November 8, 2007
at 2:57 pm
Jamie,
Apparently you are spiritually blind as well. You are more religious than I am and you too see that it’s BS. Something must be wrong.
Lizzie said how would I know if he was persecuted or not because there are no marks on his skin. Well, I will be honest, I don’t know whether this dude was beaten down, punched in the face, smacked upside the head, kicked, spat on, or have any other unjust actions against him.
But, if those things did happen, the only thing to give reason would be that he was calling himself God. Throughout history and even in this era, anyone calling themselves God will automatically receive harsh reactions and will be put to the test by tons of people.
I mean look at how people treated women who were accused of being witches or look at the treatment in this era at people who refer to themselves as witches.
Ahnsahnghong persecuted? By whom?
Why does so many people or men I should say, who call themselves “Jesus returned” have body guards and 24 hour security?
or
Why does so many men who call themselves god or Jesus never travel around the world announcing that they are God or Jesus?
or
Only reveal themselves AFTER people are recruited into their church/cult after they have accepted their doctrine.
Not one of these people who claim to be divine proved without a doubt that they are who they say they are to nonbelievers alike. Alot of people believe in miracles and believe that it is their god who is working those miracles, such as a child falling 5 stories from a window and surviving. When it comes to the COG, Mother Jerusalem or Ahnsahnghong should be thanked for that miracle but when someone (like me) debates with a COG member and ask for some kind of evidence that Mother J or Ahn are the ones working these miracles and making things happen, not only in MY life but other people’s lives, then we are told that they were not sent here to work miracles OR how it is not prophesied for them to work miracles or some other BS excuse.
I would really want Mother Jerusalem to read my mind, if she is indeed Omniscient. I wish that I could meet her in person, would be very interesting.
– James
By: King James on November 8, 2007
at 10:47 pm
YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL UNDER A CURSE. MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES ONE DAY, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TRUTH. IT’S SO SAD TO SEE HOW PEOPLE REJECT THE WORD OF GOD. YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU DONOT KNOW OR EVEN UNDERSTAND. LOOK AT YOURSELVES. YOU ACCUSE US OF BEING A CULT, NOT HAVING TRUTH. BUT YOU, YOURSELVES DON’T HAVE THE TRUTH OR EVEN TEACH THE TRUTH.
YOU NEITHER GET SALVATION AND NOR LET OTHERS GET SALVATION. I TELL YOU SOMETHING IF YOU LOVE YOURSELVES AT LEAST A SMALL BIT. THEN DON’T DO THIS. JUST DON’T BELIEVE AND DON’T FOLLOW IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. BUT DON’T BLASPHEME GOD BECAUSE GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND WILL PAY TO EVERYONE ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
VERY FEW PEOPLE ACCEPTED CHRIST 2000 YEARS AGO. IT’S NOT SURPRISING THEN THAT EVEN TODAY 2000 YEARS LATER THE SAME THING HAPPENS.
AT THAT TIME GOD WAS NOT CONCERN ABOUT THOSE WHO DIDN’T LISTEN. INSTEAD HE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THOSE WHO DID LISTEN AND HE TOOK THEM TO HEAVEN.
IT IS THE SAME NOW GOD IS NOT CONCERN ABOUT YOU. INSTEAD GOD IS CONCERN ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO TRULLY WANT TO RECEIVE SALVATION.
WE DON’T NEED TO MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVE IN US. WE’RE ONLY WAITING FOR THAT DAY WHEN EVERYTHING IS REVEALED TO THE WHOLE WORLD. THAT DAY WILL COME AND YOU ALL WILL REALIZE WHAT YOU’VE BEEN DOING, ONLY THAT ON THAT DAY IS ALREADY TOO LATE.
MAY GOD NOT BE SO HARD ON YOU ON THAT DAY OF FIRE.
I THINK YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING NOT EVEN IN YOURSELVES. THIS WAY I DON’T WASTE TIME SHOWING YOU VERSES BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD. I ONLY WRITE THIS SO THAT PEOPLE WHO TRULLY BELIEVE IN GOD MAY READ THIS AND WAKE UP FROM THEIR SLEEP. SO THEY MAY REALIZE THAT YOU ARE DOING THE THINGS YOUR MASTER AND FATHER SATAN LIKES.
THAT’S ALL
SEE YOU ON JUDGEMENT DAY.
By: Child of God on November 9, 2007
at 2:35 am
Why, “Child of God”, when you say:
I ONLY WRITE THIS SO THAT PEOPLE WHO TRULLY BELIEVE IN GOD MAY READ THIS AND WAKE UP FROM THEIR SLEEP. SO THEY MAY REALIZE THAT YOU ARE DOING THE THINGS YOUR MASTER AND FATHER SATAN LIKES.
Are you referring to yourself? You should put your name as “Child of Satan” rather than “Child of God”. Or not, because it reveals your character as a liar like Satan is.
Please lah. Get a clue. You don’t even know the heart of God and you accuse me of not believing anything? Since when did God EVER say that He was not concerned about those who did not listen? Are you sure you follow the same God who is in the bible?
You liar! Don’t you know that God has ALWAYS been concerned about EVERYONE He has created? Otherwise, why would be state so clearly in the bible that He desires all men to be saved? (1 Tim 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9) Fool! Wasn’t God the one who did things again and again to get the Israelites to listen to Him EVEN WHEN THEY DID NOT LISTEN TO HIM TIME AND TIME AGAIN?
You are a liar who doesn’t even know the Word of God. Get lost, you pretender, go back to your master the prince of lies.
By: Jamie on November 9, 2007
at 5:50 am
YES, GOD IS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT HIS ENEMIES WHO PREACH ANOTHER GOSPEL OR MAN MADE DOCTRINES, YOUR BEHIND JAMIE, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR SAYING
By: CHILD OF GOD on September 20, 2010
at 9:40 am
Luke 10
8″When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. 9Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God is near you.’ 10But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11’Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.’ 12I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
By: Lizzie Lamb in Zion on November 9, 2007
at 7:35 am
Hosea 4:6
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
By: Lizzie Lamb in Zion on November 9, 2007
at 12:32 pm
King James 1:1
Who persecuted Ahnsahnghong and for what reason would they persecute someone that never claimed to be God?
By: King James on November 10, 2007
at 12:27 pm
Well James
Sorry but I wont be around to answer your PERSECUTION question because as you may know we at the Church of God keep the Sabbath Day holy and this weekend is a long weekend (Veterans Day)& I wont be back till maybe Tuesday Evening EST!
Hope you come to terms with God soon!
God Bless You
~~Lizz
By: Lizzie Lamb in Zion on November 10, 2007
at 2:19 pm
Persecution question? You guys have yet to experience persecution, Lizzie. Having people question your beliefs is far from persecution. I think it’s called difference in opinion due to lack of evidence and information being withheld on purpose.
Have a good weekend.
– James
By: King James on November 11, 2007
at 8:12 am
Here’s something for you to be aware of and
to remember, Lizzie.
Persecution:
Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group. The most common forms are religious persecution, ethnic persecution, and political persecution, though there is naturally some overlap between these terms. The act of killing an offender of the law.
Have you been mistreated, Lizzie?
Has anyone tried to physically harm you or take your life because of who you are or your belief?
Have you been a slave?
How about suffered through the holocaust?
What you people consider persecution is not persecution on any level.
– James
By: King James on November 11, 2007
at 3:59 pm
James,
I will use your own words…
Persecution:
Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group.
Mistreatment:
to treat badly or abuse
Abuse:
a corrupt practice or custom; language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily.
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG JAMES BUT ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO US COG MEMBERS????
By: Lizzie Lamb in Zion on November 12, 2007
at 11:26 am
Actually no, you are wrong. So I will correct you. If that is the case and if I am “mistreating” you by stating my opinion, then Lizzie, you are no different from me. How you ask? Because you have a difference in opinion when it comes to someone else beliefs.
Just because you feel what you believe to be true doesn’t make what I believe any less, or anyone else for that matter.
So if I am “persecuting” you, then you are persecuting ME and everyone else that do not share the same beliefs as you. I guess we are all in the same boat then, Lizzie.
Where exactly is the verbal abuse or even physical abuse? If anything, you or anyone else calling someone a “Child of Satan” or saying that I am “not of God” is no different. If that is what you call “abuse” and “persecution” then you are swimming in it, baby.
As I said before Lizzie, you are far from being persecuted on any level. Getting ignored in shopping malls is not persecution because if it is, then everyone on this planet is getting persecuted.
When a telemarketer calls someone and the person hangs up on them, that should be considered persecution.
When someone disagrees with another person and states their opinion on how they feel President Bush is a screw-up, well that too should be considered persecuting President Bush.
I can come up with more examples but I don’t see any reason to. If that is your idea of persecution then everyone on this planet with a different spiritual belief or lifestyle is being persecuted one way or another because there will always be a handful of people who do not agree and will say they are wrong for believing what they do or living the way they are….simple as that.
Howver, when the person gets beat up, burned to death, killed unjustly for their personal belief and lifestyle that is not effecting anyone else PERSONALLY, and because other people do not agree, then you should consider that to be REAL persecution.
There’s no such thing as “persecution questions”. If you can not answer them, then say so. Apparently, you find the questions offensive because you can not answer them, which will seem as though I am attacking you.
– James
By: King James on November 12, 2007
at 3:09 pm
My younger brother has been with the COG for about a year now, and for the last several months he’s been going to Arizona to preach. I recently spoke to him and found out his “Deacon’s” name, Hector Flores and the other is Leo (?last?). I read your message where you said these people came to you house.
http://ahnsahnghong.tripod.com/
Please save them from this ahnsahnghong cult.
By: Spencer on January 5, 2008
at 2:54 am
To Jessie,
About a month ago, I received a phone call from one of the missionaries that spoke at me last year. They said that they had founded a church in Arizona and wanted me to come to their meetings. They asked me if I had done any research into their religion and I told them that I had. They asked me what I thought about it and I told them that in my opinion, it is a cult religion. They didn’t seem surprised and abruptly ended our conversation.
Jessie, I’m sorry I didn’t check this site sooner, I could have gotten some contact info from you and helped you find your brother. If it makes any difference I’ll try to do some research and find out where this place is located. In the case that you have lost contact with your brother I’ll ask them if they know where he is and whats his status.
My family is in Louisiana too and I know how hard it is being separated from them.
By: Chad on January 26, 2008
at 2:32 pm
By the way, King James
Keep it up and enlighten these guys! Your doing a great job.
By: Chad on January 26, 2008
at 2:53 pm
Hello all… Does anyone know if this new church in AZ is located in Tempe? I believe they are in my office complex. They are very nice people and have never said anything to me other than good morning, good afternoon, etc. I am Christian and don’t believe as they do, but I am not going to talk down on or to them because of that. I believe as Christians it is not our place to judge but to pray for and maybe witness to those that haven’t accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.
-God Bless you all…
By: Curious on January 29, 2008
at 5:29 am
We have to pay attention on the Bible.
Bible testifies about tha savior, Christ.
Church of God follows all law of God.
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and The Bride give us the water of life together.
Only Father God can’t give you eternal life, never.
Just like you need your physical mother to get physical life, So you need spiritual mother to get spiritual life.
And
Rev21:9
Who is the lamb?
Revelation was written after first coming Jesus’ ascention, So this indicates Second Coming Christ.
Here, The Bride is Heavenly Jerusalem.
Gal 4:26
Heavenly Jerusalem is our Mother.
Look at the Bible, without your prejudice about God.
Do you know Trinity?
God the Father,God the Son, God the Holy Spirit is One God.
So If you study the Bible, you can realize
Christ Ahnsahnghong is not differ with Christ Jesus.
Study, Study, Bible.
http://usa.watv.org
By: returnedangel on March 18, 2008
at 4:30 pm
Hi
See a few coments on catholics, especially our position on Mary. I thought I would clear it up. The Church does not worship Mary. At all. Never. There is reverence, honour, repect, and communication. She is not God, does not save souls on her own account, nor does she claim to. The church doctrine is reasonably clear on this.
Yes, people pray to her. This is not worship in itself. Pray is comunication. What you say during prayer decides if you are worshiping, talking, or insulting God. If your were in pray saying, ‘Yuk, I hate you – I want no part of your heaven’ This would not constitute worship. So prayer is a means to worship – depending on what you have to say.
Jesus taught us the easiest prayer to say, the Our Father. Simple, complete, covers everything and is to the point. You cant go wrong using it.
As to asking Mary, and other saints to help us in our lives, and to pray for us – I have no problem with that. It feels to me, no different from asking a Pastor, or Preacher to pray for me, and give me advice.
I love the dialogue between you guys on this religion, Word of God etc. I have seen others like it. First they attack the established churches, take a point of difference from selected scriptures, and hammer on regardless of the truth thrown at them.
I cannot see that two thousand years of considered, educated study by the various christian churches, should be tossed aside because a newbe on the block thinks he has the lastest angle on Christ.
Jesus was the last sacrifice, the last offering for the forgiveness of sins. He will allow a way for God Almighty to be reconciled with his creation for all time. Considered, educated, inspired people, down through the centuries have looked at every scripture, considered every angle, and heard every interpretation. The collective wisdom of all the christian churches have settled on a couple of points that, for them, go without saying. Jesus, the son of God, will come again in all his glory. No one will doubt his arrival.
No sneaking around in South Korea, no going over the same old ground. In all his glory – for all to see.
And, as for Mrs God ?- don’t make me laugh.
By: Bruce on March 25, 2008
at 5:52 pm
Hi everyne,
mmm… I’m a new member of Church of God Singapore… I have got baptized for a month.. DID I MAKE A BIG MISTAKE ?
As a student, this is my first time to jump down in religion so deep… Ya, firstly I really sure about this religion.. but after I read all the post here from top till the end actually not all lol… I’m getting confused… really really confused… Is this church good? Is it the only church which can take us to Kingdom og Heaven?
Everyweek I go to church study about Bible. All their teachings are from Bible. I know Bible is all true.. But did they really teach the truth? If yes, why all the people arguing? They teach according to Bible and we trust Bible. So we should trust them..
Their teachings about mother, pope, 666, 4 beast, 3 period, newcovenant,the earth, melchizedek, etc… all really makesense… If I have a qestion, they will give the proof from the bible… about AhnShangHong… Honestly I dont really believe… Why should we called him the second coming Jesus? Should we forget about Jesus? Can’t we pray in name of Jesus? all confusing me…
Ya, I know internet cant be trusted 100%, but after i read a lot of sharings up there… I think those are the fact… No onetold that they are happy.. all like my children are took by that church, my husband left the family nd go to church, and all others bad things… why this church give the bad thing to its member? is the CoG really bad?
I think all members usually i called bro and sis… all of them are really kind.. How can we conclude that the CoG isbad church? Never I want to leave this church because i think it is the true church of all church… but, i think now i should make a research deeply for this church… I’m afraid i willnot take care of my family again because of this church…
I dont know whether I should go to this church again or just leave it… any suggestion pals?
Thank you before… GBU^^
Not a Special One,
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on March 25, 2008
at 11:34 pm
one more thing, did Jesus really God or Son of God? Is there any heavenly Mother? need your suggestion immediately.. I dont want waste my life in the wrong way… anyone please!!!
By: nijuroku on March 26, 2008
at 2:25 am
Hi nijuroku,
I am also in Singapore. Perhaps if you are really feeling distressed, we can arrange some time to meet and I can see what I can do to help you clear things up. It is entirely up to your discretion.
Personally, I do not believe that what they are teaching is real bible truth. For one thing, they do not go to the original Hebrew and Greek meanings of the words. Thus, what they claim to be references to the Heavenly Mother are misinterpretations.
Also, if the Heavenly Mother were a figure that is as important as God the Father, why is she only mentioned in obscure, potentially misleading verses? Why doesn’t God the Father come outright to say ‘THere is a God the Mother”? And why doesn’t the mother speak for herself?
All these are questions that have yet to be answered properly by members of the CoG.
CoG Singapore may not be responsible for breaking families up and brainwashing like other chapters might be doing, but I know for sure that Jesus Christ never said he had a heavenly Mother, and that is His witness to my spirit as well.
Let me know and we can arrange contact.
By: Jamie on March 26, 2008
at 9:30 am
Hi Jamie,
Actually I’m a student, so maybe this Saturday or Sunday i have time… but I’m not sure about the time and place… about this Saturday I dont know whether I should go to CoG or not.. all the members seems so kind to me… confused
Oh ya here is my email hardy_jefry@hotmail.com
yah really I need more information to decide this problem…
Thank you Jamie,
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on March 26, 2008
at 1:25 pm
Bruce,
well put.
By: Dark Angel on March 26, 2008
at 2:22 pm
I know I am very scared about this Church of God. My son joined a couple of years ago and we have been drifting apart ever since. When he got married in the church last year the state said they were not recognized as a church and they still had to go to the Justice of the peace to make it legal. He is planning a trip to Korea in the next few weeks with his wife but they are leaving their 11 month old son here . I really am worried that they won’t come back. All I ever hear from him is destruction is near and I better watch out. By the way I am a Catholic so they put us down all the time. If anyone can help me with some way to reach him I am all ears. Thanks so much.
By: Diane on April 1, 2008
at 3:45 am
Hi Diane. I don’t know how to help get your son back. Best you can do is stand your ground, refuse to be belittled, and speak the truth. The truth will win out eventually. Speak it with conviction. Be the life line should he call. Sometimes people see through the lies and seek their way home. If he goes to Korea, he may see just how absurd the whole thing is. Don’t forget to pray for him.
By: Bruce on April 4, 2008
at 5:50 pm
Bruce you are very encouraging and very patient man. Thanks a lot Unfortunately my bro has now become a deacon after his divorce and probably already married a korean. Though we have been praying too hard but nothing gonna change his mind as he even stated that even if you put a gun at my head I shall not deny this truth. nObody would even want to even do that to them coz sensible people know its the bullshit they beleive. Just by speaking about their false doctrine they call it being persecuted.
I wish they actually knew what is persecution. They work in secret like their dead korean Jesus and target on the poor souls till he/she is totally sucked in.
By: Bertha on April 8, 2008
at 7:32 pm
My Ex got involved last June. We have a daughter that he got involved when he was with her, but I put a stop to that a few months ago. He has been continuing to preach to her to the point where I had to ask him to leave last Wednsday. He is supposed to see her again this Wednesday and I just found out that he is on Korea. He left last Sunday. What is going on? He doesn’t even have a job to pay for such a trip.
By: scarletfire on April 9, 2008
at 5:25 am
Does anyone know where I can find ex-members who know what we are dealing with? It seems like information is pretty scarce online. There is also anti – COG info. that now seems to be missing. This whole seem seems like some alternate reality. This just can’t be happening!
By: scarletfire on April 9, 2008
at 11:43 pm
Well Scarlet I know how it feels. The info on the net is scarce is because the church is now using hackers to destroy the websites created to cause awareness of this false church.
As for making a trip to korea is a must just to give Mother goddess a hug. Apparently she seems to be having a good time.
The point is how they can afford a trip out there as far as I know the cash is put in by all the members of that church and even to the extent of lending a suit and veils if required for a female etc The food and accomodation is ofcourse free. This sort of creates a great impression on their mind as to how loving and kind are their spiritual brothers.
Now if you son does pretty well he may even be tempted or asked for a second trip to get trained as a Deacon. Ultimately they think of marrying within the cult group and so we are no more considered to be their family. They lie a lot and this church is indeed breaking homes.
By: Bertha on April 10, 2008
at 1:31 pm
We must study the Bible to judge one church and doctrine is true or not.
Some People only insist sometimes without any concrete reason.
They don’t use the Bible.
But We have to pay attention on only the bible.
Because Bible testifies about Christ, Savior.
Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother is really our God, Heavenly Parents.
How I can insist this surely?
I studied the Bible and can find out Savior.
God foretold us the prophecy of them and we have to find out and study.
The Bible clearly shows us there are two God.
God the Father and God the Mother now calling us to save us.
By: returnedangel on April 11, 2008
at 6:37 pm
Liars and hypocrites! It is YOU who do not study the bible, but you create false teachings to glorify a fleshly, earthly woman. Liars! You would do well to ask for repentance for leading people into deception.
You twist the scriptures to fit into your warped theology, and you tear apart families who love God with your demonic doctrines.
Idol worshippers! How dare you claim that we need to study the bible when you blind ones cannot see that your teachings go against the entirety of God’s Word! Truly it is as the bible says: There shall be many false teachers.
The bible tells us that we are saved in the name of Jesus, but you blind ones insist on praying to Ang Sanh Hong. God never said that we would be saved in the new name of Jesus, but only in the name of Jesus. Fools and blind! How dare you corrupt believers with your wicked teachings!
Begone! I will not tolerate any more of your roundabout answering. You are like your father the devil, the accuser, for you accuse us of things that are not true and drag people into hell where you are headed. You neither answer questions nor refute claims, only insist that questioners “study the bible”. Prideful hypocrites! What makes you assume that we have never studied the bible? I tell you, some have studied the bible more than you will ever study it!
Repent from your false doctrine, for the fires of hell await you.
By: Jamie on April 12, 2008
at 1:07 am
whoa.
returnedangel, i am not going to debate the bible with you, it is very clear to me, but want you to think about the affect this “church” is having on families. all of the repercussions it is having on people around the world. this and all of the secrecy of everything that has happened since my ex got involved in june shows me that something is seriously wrong with this.
By: scarletfire on April 12, 2008
at 1:53 am
thank you for your insight bertha.
By: scarletfire on April 12, 2008
at 1:56 am
To those who don’t understand about the “white stone with a new name”, here’s the study from the Bible. God bless you all.
The Savior of Each Age and the New Name
Father Ahnsahnghong
World Mission Society Church of God
For our salvation, God divided six thousand years into three ages: the age of the Father, the age of the Son, and the age of the Holy Spirit, and He allowed a different Savior’s name for each of these ages—the name of Jehovah in the age of the Father, the name Jesus in the age of the Son, and the name Ahnsahnghong in the age of the Holy Spirit.
Now we are living during the last age of the Holy Spirit. Thus, God has been administrating His plan of salvation, using the new Savior’s name, the name of the Holy Spirit—Ahnsahnghong. Salvation is only given to those who believe in the name of the Savior that God has allowed to the people living in that particular age. Because we are now living in the age of the Holy Spirit, we must receive the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong, as the Savior of this age.
Eccl. 3:1, KJV 『To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven…』
In this world, everyone has a certain goal and purpose for their lives. Likewise, we should set a certain goal for our faith: the salvation of our souls, eternal life.
1 Pet. 1:8-9 『Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and
glorious joy, for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.』
In order for His people to receive salvation, God divided six thousand years into three ages, and allowed a different Savior’s name for each age.
Matt. 28:19 『”Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very
end of the age.”』
As is commonly known, the name of the Father is “Jehovah,” and the name of the Son is “Jesus.” Baptism is the first step that we can take towards becoming a child of God, and to be baptized correctly, we must first know the name of the Father, the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit.
The most important aspect of our salvation is to know, and to receive, the name of the Savior. During the age of the Father, God granted salvation to those who believed in the name of Jehovah.
Isa. 43:11 『I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.』
In the age of the Father, salvation was dependent upon knowing and accepting the name of Jehovah. Therefore, salvation was not given to those living in the age of the Father, who either didn’t know, or who refused to accept, the name of Jehovah.
When the age of the Father ended and the age of the Son began, Jehovah came in the flesh, using the name “Jesus,” as had been prophesied (Isa. 9:6-7).
The Bible states that in the age of the Father there was no Savior apart from Jehovah, and that in the age of the Son there was no Savior apart from Jesus.
Acts 4:11-12 『”He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under
heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”』
When God gave the names of Jehovah and Jesus to the people, He did not explaine that each of these Savior’s names would only be used for a specific time period or age. Thus, many people have become confused, believing that the Bible contradicts itself.
With a full understanding of the Trinity, however, you will realize that the above verses hold no contradictions. Jesus is in His very nature God (Phil. 2:5), the very God Jehovah who granted salvation during the age of the Father. Since Jesus is, in fact, Jehovah, there is no contradiction between “There is no savior apart from Jehovah,” and, “There is no other name given to men by which we must be saved (apart from the name of Jesus.)”
During each age God allowed a different name of the Savior, and thus, each age also had a specified time frame and limit. In other words, salvation was given to those who had accepted the name of Jehovah in the age of the Father, and once the age changed to the age of the Son, salvation was given to those who pressed on to know and to accept the name of Jesus.
When God gave the name Jesus to the people—the Savior’s name in the age of the Son—only those who believed and called upon the name of Jesus Christ were able to receive salvation.
Now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit.
Thus, God has given us a new name of the Savior.
Rev. 3:12 『”Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.”』
Rev. 2:17 『”He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a
white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.”』
A “white stone with a new name written on it” is mentioned in the above verse. In this instance, the stone represents Jesus (1 Pet. 2:4), meaning that a new name other than the name of Jesus would be given to the people of that age.
Just as salvation was withheld from those who were stuck on the name of Jehovah and failed to receive Jesus as their Savior in the age of the Son (Rom. 15:4), salvation will never be given to those who are stuck on the name of Jesus in this age.
Those who had accepted the name of Jehovah for 3,500 years were not able to accept the name of Jesus in the age of the Son. Only the disciples accepted Jesus, the Savior in the age of the Son, who had come as prophesied. The Bible prophesied that there would be a Savior in the age of the Son. Even though Jesus came in fulfillment of all these prophecies, the people insisted on believing in only Jehovah, following their own ideas instead of Bible’s prophecy. Where are all of the people who lived in the age of the Son and who refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?
We must consider this matter carefully and break our own fixed ideas, allowing our minds to accept God’s thoughts. The Bible testifies that there will undoubtedly be a name for the Savior of the Holy Spirit’s age. We need to understand God’s providence of salvation—His allowing a different Savior’s name for each age—and we need to accept Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Savior’s name in this age of the Holy Spirit, Jesus’ new name.
Once we come to understand the time limitations of each age, it is very easy for us to understand how each age affected the salvation of God’s people. In the age of the Father, people were the witnesses of Jehovah (Isa. 43:10), they prayed in the name of Jehovah, and salvation was promised only through the name of Jehovah (Joel 2:32).
Once the age of the Son had begun, how did the people, who were to receive salvation, act? Did they insist on praying in the name of Jehovah as the witnesses of Jehovah, believing that they could only be saved through the name of Jehovah? Jesus’ disciples became the witnesses of Jesus (Acts 1:6), they prayed in the name of Jesus (John 16:24), and they received salvation only by believing the name of Jesus (Rom. 10:9).
Then, in the age of the Holy Spirit, of what name should we become the witnesses, what name should we use when we pray, and what name has the authority to give us salvation?
The name is Ahnsahnghong, Jesus’ new name (John 5:39).
Everyone living in this last age of the Holy Spirit! Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Savior of this age! Today, salvation is only given through the name of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and only those who are the witnesses of Christ Ahnsahnghong and pray in His name will be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Please believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, our Savior in the age of the Holy Spirit, so that you may receive eternal life!
By: brofromzion on April 12, 2008
at 4:10 am
“The name is Ahnsahnghong, Jesus’ new name (John 5:39). ”
What Bible is this in brofromzion?
Are you in contact with all of your family members? Are you still married if you were before you found COG?
Have you been to Korea?
By: scarletfire on April 12, 2008
at 9:26 am
Liar and hypocrite!
There are no miracles in the name of Ang Sanh Hong. No one is healed or delivered in that name, only in the name of JESUS.
Before that man arrived on earth, God was doing miracles in the name of JESUS. Today, God is STILL doing wonders in the name of JESUS. Ang Sahn Hong’s church is a powerless, miracle-lacking church.
That speaks volumes about which is the true name of Jesus.
By: Jamie on April 12, 2008
at 3:10 pm
Ultimately only two questions matter:
1. Are AhnSahngHong and Mother Jerusalem God?
and
2. What led you to believe that AhnSahngHong and Mother Jerusalem were God?
Can someone please answer these questions?
By: ramblinrose on April 12, 2008
at 4:11 pm
Is this true or not? Could someone help me because I am confused!!
Ahn sang-hong (died 1985) founded the World Mission Society Church of God (in Korean, 하나님의교회 세계복음선교협회). He was born in South Korea to Buddhist parents.
According to the Church of God, he joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1947. He renounced Buddism and was baptized in 1948. He created the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964.
Regarded by his followers as the second coming Christ, Ahn sang-hong is also the author of several books[citation needed], including Visitors from the Angelic World, The Seal of God and the last plagues, etc. Throughout the 35 chapters of one book, The Mystery of God and The Spring of The Water of Life, Ahn sang-hong testifies about the coming of what the church refers to as the “Mother God”.[citation needed]
Ahn sang-hong made a number of predictions in his early books, the most prominent two being his 1967 and 1988 predictions for the Second Coming of Christ. The World Mission Society Church of God claims that Ahn sang-hong was the second coming of Jesus, despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return. Those outside the church, familiar with the sect, consider Ahn sang-hong a Heresiarch.[1]
By: ramblinrose on April 12, 2008
at 4:17 pm
Didn’t Ahnsanghong claim that the second coming of christ would be in 1988?
By: ramblinrose on April 12, 2008
at 4:21 pm
Ahnsanghong in the first place could not make accurate predictions so how can he perform miracles. His name itself does not have power like the name of JESUS CHRIST.
Now if Jesus was already baptized by John the baptist whay should he be born in a budhist family worship idolds and than renounce that religion by joining SDA which is a cult too. So what was his purpose of coming back again just to bring passover when being with the SDA he knew the cult already had something to promote their religion example using sabbath so he got inspired to bring in passover to start a new business.
Who has been a witness to his death or his ascending into heaven?
Yet people believe in this bullshit and come on this board to fill the crap that has absolutely no meaning.
Only those in the cults and brainwashed will understand about the “white stone with a new name”
Keep waiting fellas for the time when it comes to floating in the clouds to your mother & Father in heaven. for it will never shall be.Have you heard about the doomsday cult in Russia waiting the end times who seem to have been giving up.
May god save your souls. Amen
By: Bertha on April 12, 2008
at 6:32 pm
THis is a lot of Heady…and not-so heady dialogue here, but I’m not sure certain questions were answered:
1. What is the proof of Ahnshanhong being the 2nd coming of Christ?
2. What do the church leaders say about his first two prophecies in 1967 and 1985.
3. What proof exists that Mother Jerusalem is in fact this Mother Jerusalem?
Thanks,
Jason
By: Jason on April 14, 2008
at 4:31 am
Wow lot’s of assumptious spiritual opinions and earthly facts here not only about my personal life but also Christ Ahnsahnghong, the One who fulfill all the prophecies of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ according to the Bible. Well, just to tell you all, I’m a very open-minded person so feel free to give your point of views. I hope to learn from all of you. So, here’s another proof of the Second Coming Jesus Christ, Ahnsahnghong:
The Parable of the Fig Tree
Father Ahnsahnghong
World Mission Society Church of God
The Bible prophesied that Jesus would appear a second time (Heb. 9:28). Ahnsahnghong—whom the Church of God believes in as their Savior—is Jesus who has come a second time, according to the prophecy.
Then, when is Jesus prophesied to come a second time? Why does the Church of God believe that the Second Coming Christ is Ahnsahnghong?
Through the parable of the fig tree, Jesus revealed that He would come for the second time in 1948, when Israel—represented as the fig tree—would gain its independence. Ahnsahnghong came in 1948 according to the prophecy of the fig tree, so the Church of God believes in Him as the Second Coming Christ.
Then, does the Bible disclose when Jesus will come?
When the disciples asked about the signs of Jesus’ second coming and of the end of the age, Jesus said:
Matt. 24:3-33 『”…At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, And all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on
The clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with
a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end
of the heavens to the other. Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its
twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so,
when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.”』
Since it is written, “As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that it is near,” we must come to know the timing of the fig tree and we must receive Jesus when He comes a second time.
First, we must understand what the fig tree represents. As it is written,
Luke 13:6-7 『Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?'”』
What does Jesus’ looking for fruit on a fig tree planted in a vineyard, for three years, mean? It means that Jesus preached the gospel to the Israelites for three years, searching for the fruit of the gospel. Therefore, the fig tree stands for Israel.
Through many other Bible verses, let’s confirm that the fig tree in the vineyard represents Israel.
Isa. 5:7, KJV 『For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant.』
In the above verse also, the vineyard represents the country Israel, and the plant [the tree] stands for the people of Israel. Let’s look at another verse concerning this.
Jer. 24:5 『”This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Like these good figs, I regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I sent away from this place to the land of the Babylonians.’”』
Since it is written that God regards the exiles from Judah as the good figs, it is clear that the fig tree stands for Israel.
In Luke 13:7, Jesus told His disciples to cut down a fig tree that had not borne any fruit. Just as He had told them, Israel—which rejected the gospel that Jesus had preached for three years—was completely destroyed by Roman soldiers in A.D. 70. Following its collapse, the people of Israel were scattered all over the world, as a stateless people, for about 1,900 years.
After much time had passed, the fig tree—that had been cut and dried up—began to revive. Its twigs got tender and its leaves came out. When did all of this happen? The revival of the fig tree occurred in 1948. On May 14, 1948, Israel proclaimed her independence and recovered her sovereignty. The fig tree, which seemed to have completely died, revived. At that time, Jesus came for a second time, as was prophesied. He was Christ Ahnsahnghong, whom every Christian had been waiting for. The Church of God received Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, as Savior.
Rom. 11:26 『And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.”』
Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, came from Zion in 1948, as had been prophesied in the parable of the fig tree. Now He is calling you. Will you let Him stand at your door, or will you open the door and receive Him?
We earnestly hope that you will open your door and receive Ahnsahnghong—the Second Coming Jesus—and be given the promise of salvation.
Clearly, this is One of the Many prophecies Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfill for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Israel really gain it’s independence the same time Christ Ahnsahnghong got baptize and started preaching the true teachings of Jesus Christ: Passover of the New Covenant, Sabbath Day, Veil cover for women, Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, The Feast of Unleavened Bread, The Feast of Firstfruits, The Feast of Weeks, The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, The Feast of Tabernacles, Cross is a heresy, Christmas is not the birthday of Jesus Christ, Thanksgiving Day is a man-made tradition, False Prophets through Jesus Christ Parable of the Weeds and Wheat. There’s only one church that keeps all Father’s will and commandments. WORLD MISSION SOCIETY CHURCH OF GOD. I’ve check other churches and they keep more rules taught by men, not from God. There’s one thing on saying ” I believe in you Jesus Christ as my personal savior than actually following ALL His commandments and His will according to the Bible”:
John 14:15 [If you love me, you will obey what I command.]
World Mission Society Church of God follows ALL God’s commandments and will so that makes them the true church according to the Bible. Other churches only keeps man-made traditions: Sunday as their day of rest, Communion as Jesus body and blood which is from the Catholic celebrated by most Christians whenever they want, Christmas as Jesus Christ birthday. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 14, 2008
at 3:40 pm
Those approved by God
Father Ahnsahnghong
World Mission Society Church of God
People in the world live in their own way of life, with their own opinions. Some say this is right, and others that is true. In political circles, the government party and opposition parties are pitted against each other in divided opinions. And sometimes people take a stand against their neighbors, raising their voices. And even husband and wife quarrel with each other because of their different way of life.
If each of them claims to be right, who will tell right from wrong? Judging from the Bible, it is only God who can finally distinguish between right and wrong. So, there is the Last Judgment in the Bible.
Now, children of Zion are streaming to Jerusalem. At Jesus’ first coming, the apostles, who proclaimed the truth, were persecuted; and the Early Church―the Church of God―was slandered. It is the same now. This time, let’s think who is approved by God through the Bible.
A man approved by a fortune-teller
There was a man named Beommungong during the Song Dynasty in China. When young, he visited a fortune-teller and asked him about his future. “Will I make the prime minister?” The fortune-teller gazed intently at his face and told him that he wouldn’t be able to be the prime minister. Then he asked the fortune-teller whether he would be a doctor.
Since a doctor was regarded as mean in those days, the fortune-teller looked at him dubiously and asked back why he would change his job from the prime minister to a doctor that was not recognized.
“I thought I would be able to relieve the people from misery if I became the prime minister. But you said I was not qualified for it. So I came to think I would be of some help to the people as a doctor by looking after the patient suffering pain. That’s why I asked you if I would be able to be a doctor.”
Then the fortune-teller slapped his knee and took back his words, saying that he would be able to be the prime minister. This time, Beommungong looked dubious and demanded an explanation of it, “Why do you reverse your former prediction? Once you said I would not be able to be the prime minister and now you say I will be. Your prediction is unconvincing.”
Then the fortune-teller said, “There are several factors deciding one’s fate. The most important one is mind. According to your star, you are not fated to be the prime minister. But judging from your mentality, you are eligible for it. At first I was not far-sighted enough to search your mind. You will surely be the prime minister.”
‘People who know righteousness’ approved by God
Beommungong was approved by the fortune-teller, who read his mind, to be suitable for the prime minister. How about us? By whom should we be approved?
Isa. 51:4-8 『”Listen to me, my people; hear me, my nation: The law will go out from me; my justice will become a light to the nations. My righteousness draws near speedily, my salvation is on the way, and my arm will bring justice to the nations … Hear me, you who know what is right (righteousness, KJV), you people who have my law in your hearts: Do not fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults. For the moth will eat them up like a garment; the worm will devour them like wool. But my righteousness will last forever, my salvation through all generations.”』
‘You who know righteousness,’ ‘you people who have my [God’s] law in your hearts’―who are they? They are the people in Zion where God established the law of the new covenant. They are we ourselves. God, the Judge of all, has approved us. How trustworthy and authentic!
We are approved not by a mere fortune-teller to be the prime minister in a country, but by God to be a royal priesthood who will live forever in the kingdom of heaven. But those approved by God are to be slandered by those who are not approved by Him.
The righteousness are slandered by the wicked
As for the righteous of the world, they are not approved by all. Confucius of ancient China gave a definition of a great man. One day, Zigong a pupil of Confucius asked him, “Teacher, who is a great man? If the whole village speaks well of a man, is he great?” Then Confucius shook his head and said: “No. If a man is approved by the respectable, he must be a great man.
But if he is approved by the wicked, he cannot be regarded as great. So, if the whole village speaks well of a person, he may not be worthy.” Zigong asked him again, “Then, who is a great man? Confucius answered: “He who is approved by the respectable but disapproved by the wicked is really a great man.” It would seem that the great were reproached by the wicked in the time of Confucius, too.
So God said to us, “Do not fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults.” If the wicked speak ill of us, undoubtedly we are the righteous. None of the righteous speak ill of us. The great God, beautiful angels and our forefathers of great faith―all the righteous commend us for keeping the new covenant and preaching with zeal. But the wicked always slander us by telling all kinds of lies. Viewed in this light, what Confucius said is somewhat worthy of note. He said: A great person is approved by the respectable but disapproved by the wicked. Undoubtedly this word applies to the brothers and sisters in Zion.
Truth is approved by God, but rejected by men
Let’s constantly consider who is approved by God.
2 Cor. 10:14-18 『 … For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.』
Ps. 1:1-6 『Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night. He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers. Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.』
We ought to be approved by God. It is only the people in Zion who are commended by God. The wicked commend those taking part in wicked deeds with them, not those doing what is right. They approve and commend false doctrines and the churches following them. So those who do what is right and walk in the paths of righteousness are always checked by the wicked.
Throughout the 66 books of the Bible, no record says that the truth is approved by all men. It has been maligned by the wicked. When Nehemiah built the temple by the will of God, the wicked men like Tobiah and Sanballat troubled him. Some joined in building the temple and rejoiced over it. But the wicked continuously kept them from building the wall of the temple so that it might not reach its height.
It was the same with Jesus who came into this earth 2,000 years ago. The righteous people including His disciples and Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea were all astonished at Jesus’ teaching and really wanted to follow Him. But the chief priests and the teachers of the law and the Pharisees, whom Jesus scolded for their wickedness, saying, “Woe to you”―they all rejected and reproached Jesus. They slandered Him, saying, “He is inciting the people to rebellion.” And they attempted even to kill Jesus by stoning Him, saying, “… because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).
The saints of the Early Church suffered the same thing. They were persecuted and troubled; they were maligned by the wicked. But in the sight of God and of the spirits of the righteous, they were great and worthy. Neither in the Early Church nor in the days of Noah and Abraham did it occur that the righteous were commended by the wicked. Thus, Biblical history shows us that the truth is to be approved by God but slandered by the wicked.
God told us not to fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults. For the reproach is from the wicked, not from God. We are approved by God and the spirits of the righteous but reproached by the wicked. This is an evidence that we have all the qualifications for the great and the righteous and that we follow the way of truth. God watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish―this is God’s will.
‘Ministers of the new covenant’ approved by God
Who approves us? That is important. Those approved by God are in Zion the city of God’s appointed feasts; they follow the Lamb wherever He goes and become united with each other and take delight in doing the will of God.
2 Tim. 2:15 『Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.』
We are approved and called by God to be His workers.
2 Cor. 3:5-6 『Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant―not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.』
Now, we are keeping and proclaiming the decrees and laws of the new covenant. Those approved by God are the ministers of the new covenant. Most of today’s churches do not keep the new covenant. They are far from God’s decrees and laws; they call, ‘Lord, Lord,’ but they deny Him by their actions.
They are against the truth, just as the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were against Jesus 2,000 years ago, saying, “You, a mere man, claim to be God,” “He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect.” We don’t need to fear the reproach of those without God’s approval or be terrified by their insults. Though they regard us as heretics, God approves us. Jesus and the apostles who followed Him―they all entered the kingdom of heaven. What is important is God’s approval, not men’s.
When we understand that, we can walk in the way of faith with joy. We are greatly blessed, for God has approved us but the wicked speak ill of us.
The new covenant is the testimony of God
God shows us what His testimony is as follows:
1 John 5:9-13 『We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. … And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. …』
God has said that when we have Jesus in us, we have eternal life. And He has showed us the way to remain in Jesus.
John 6:53-57 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』
Jesus has promised that His flesh is the Passover bread and His blood the Passover wine. So, if anyone does not eat the Passover bread and drink its wine, though he claims to be a Christian, he cannot be approved by God (Matt. 7:21～23). Christian faith is the belief in God’s promise. Jesus has promised that He will give eternal life to those who celebrate the Passover of the new covenant, and that He will remain in them. So, no one can have Jesus in him unless he celebrates the Passover. From this, we can see that God approves those who keep the new covenant―the saints of the Church of God.
Those who are redeemed from the earth in the last days are the people who are with the Lamb in Zion, the city of God’s appointed feasts. They are the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus (Rev. 14:1～3, 12). God approves and saves them.
God’s word is the criterion of everything
We should judge everything on the basis of God’s word, not the wicked’s.
When there are divided opinions at home, or when we confer with our brothers and sisters on a matter to make a decision in Zion, we must make God’s word become the criterion for such a matter and settle it according to God’s will.
Then it will surely bring us a good result. For God leads us in His truth and teaches us, so that we may have all the good―eternal life, everlasting joy, peace, ….
Putting aside our thoughts, let’s follow God’s teachings and make only God’s word become the criterion for distinguishing between truth and falsehood.
A man who is approved by the righteous but slandered by the wicked―he is really a righteous person. Taking this fact to heart, let’s always pay attention to God’s word and judgment; let’s follow the truth only, not minding what the wicked say about us. There are still many souls not knowing the truth. Let’s all pull together to lead them to Zion by making them distinguish truth from falsehood.
By: brofromzion on April 14, 2008
at 3:47 pm
I think that this post is never true.
Because my mother had gone to Church of God before 2 years. And she became always HAPPY and had a good mind.
So I also went to Church of God with my mother before 1 year.
So I feel that members of Church of God are very nice and good example for many people.
And they also follow teaching of True God.
By: cham on April 14, 2008
at 11:11 pm
In August, 2004, The Mother of the Church of God was awarded a medal by president Roh Moo-hyun and dozens of pastors were also grated medals from various groups, which show that the Korean government gave the church of God credit for its achievement.
This is the second official acknowledgement given to the Church of God, following a 2003 presidential award granted to Kim Joo-cheol, the chief pastor of the Church of God by then president Kim Dae-jung.
If the Church of God is the heresy, how can these things possible?
Is it possible that Government give Citation from President to the heresy?
Certainly Not.
In fact, the Church of God is famous for its active volunteer activities.
-Supplying of fee meals at the Deagu subway tragedy for 55days
-Volunteer service for typhoon-damaged area
-Volunteer service for the heavy snow-damaged area( and so on.)
There are so many volunteer activities.
The church of God actively engaged in volunteer activities and served its role as supporters, spreading the love of Christ and Korea’s affectionate image all across the world.
By: EMPIEZA on April 14, 2008
at 11:17 pm
Do you know that Church of God received many
awards in Korea?
The good deeds of the Church of God have set examples for society. In recognition of their devotional volunteer activities, the Church of God has received many letters of appreciation from home and abroad including various medals and the Korean Presidential Citation Award.
If the Church of God is cult,
Church of God can not receive the Korean Presidential Citation Award.
Isn’t it right?
Church of God follow only the teachings of Christ.
And Church of God spread the love of God to the whole world.
By: Ann on April 14, 2008
at 11:39 pm
“Putting aside our thoughts, let’s follow God’s teachings and make only God’s word become the criterion for distinguishing between truth and falsehood.”
I will not put aside my thoughts as you are doing. I am honestly curious how many families this has disrupted. Are you in contact with all of your family members? Will the COG pay for my daughter to see a counselor because her Dad has chosen the “Church” over seeing her, getting a job, and paying child support?
Are you still married if you were before you found COG?
Have you been to Korea?
“The name is Ahnsahnghong, Jesus’ new name (John 5:39). ”
Really, what Bible is this in brofromzion?
“Ahn sang-hong made a number of predictions in his early books, the most prominent two being his 1967 and 1988 predictions for the Second Coming of Christ. The World Mission Society Church of God claims that Ahn sang-hong was the second coming of Jesus, despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return.”
How can someone predict that someone is coming and be that person. This is common sense. How come these books are not available anywhere?
“He would come for the second time in 1948”
Using the year he was baptized for this one?
I can’t see how any of this makes sense, and am not “wicked” because I chose to think for myself and not accept things that do not make any sense.
The Church receiving awards does not make them right. It means that they have done nice things. That is a good thing, but sad that it is used to distract people from the truth.
Please use your minds to sort through this.
Jesus warned us to be careful of false prophets who would appear to deceive many people in the last days.
Matt. 7:15 『”Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.”』
http://text.watv.org/english/truth/view.html?idx=337
By: scarletfire on April 15, 2008
at 3:35 am
Hi!!
Do you know that? We have to follow the commands of God. Because if we said I know God but does not do what he commands is a liar!!!
1 John 2:3-5
[ We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him]
so we have to follow does who keep the commands of God.
The Bible testified that Sabath and Pssover and Vail is commends of God. We can’t find SUNDAY SERVIE and CHRISTMAS and CROSS in the BIBLE.
It is man made rule. So If we follow nan made rule, traditions of man, we can’t distinguish truth and false!!! and our worship God is in vain, useless!!!
Mark 7:7-9
[‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”
And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!]
Isa 29:9-14
[Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer.
The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets); he has covered your heads (the seers).
For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, “Read this, please,” he will answer, “I can’t; it is sealed.”
Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, “Read this, please,” he will answer, “I don’t know how to read.”
The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.”]
Please keep the commands of God and have a wisidon to distinguish the Truth!!
By: Olivia on April 15, 2008
at 9:50 am
to all COG members
I want to ask a few question about COG..
what is the meaning of judgement day for you?
144,000 COG members gather in South Korea with Heavenly Mother there? Is that true? why is it so simple?
144,000 elected members + Heavenly Mother (New Jerusalem) = Judgement day
????
When Ahn Sang Hong still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or in his own name?
and
When Ahn Sang Hong wanted to go preaching to China..(1984 or 1985 if I’m not wrong) Did he die? And where was his physical body?
quick question.. are we an angel according to you?
Thanks God Bless
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 15, 2008
at 10:09 am
Hi!!
When Jesus still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or Jehovah?
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By: Olivia on April 15, 2008
at 10:45 am
Hallo~~
Are you still confusing???
Please Do not be confused by false prophets.
Plz Check here!!!
The Supreme Court has ruled that it is illegal to falsely state that the Church of God preaches a time-limited eschatology and wrecks families.
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By: Happy Girl on April 15, 2008
at 11:52 am
Jason, Nijuroko Good question though but unfortunately these members do not have an answer. They are blinded one dude follows the other
Their god collects medals and awards and their good deeds are proclaimed. There are people around the world doing much more than their God.
Feeding the 55 at the subway is no big thing. Their God has to get out of Korea to see the sufferings in the rest of the world. I wonder if she even ever visited those 400 churches outside of Korea to see how tirelessly the members have worked.
By the way awards, medals, certificates and court cases can all be bought. Where there is no corruption especially when it becomes a big organization.
Its not a matter of getting confused false prophets will be like wolf in sheep clothing and COG is one of them We have to test spirits not by achievements of medals, awards. and through a few scriptures in the bible that have been twisted to suit their needs.
When Ahn Sang Hong still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or in his own name?
When Jesus still live, in what name he baptized people? Jesus or Jehovah?
Ahn Sang Hong’s baptism in the first place is invalid as he got baptized in SDA which is cult and as a budhhist he worshipped idols, and offered candles and flowers in the temple . Brainwashed with SDA like these members who fill the boards with the same old crap he too realised religion was a good way of making business. But sad to say he did not live to enjoy the fruits of his labor. The cream is relished by the MJ & Joo cheol or probably they came with this idea of claiming him as Jesus after his death
To clear our confusion and make us believe you must answer all the questions and give us his family history both of your mother and Father Ahn
I tell you no longer have to stand at the malls, campus or subway to convince people. you shall have many followers.
By: warren on April 15, 2008
at 1:11 pm
I can safely conclude that absolutely NONE of the CoG members even know Jesus personally. They know nothing of the Holy Spirit and the Father. If they did, they would never start worshipping a woman like the Israelites started worshipping the gold calf.
You Pharisees, you preach your legalism and lead people astray. You don’t even know that before the cross was even used as an instrument of torture, God used it as a symbol of victory and triumph over enemies. Go and read the Pentateuch and count the numbers of the tribes of Israel as they marched before, after and by the sides of the tarbernacle.
You are spiritually blind! You deny the power of the cross and deny the words of Jesus, of Paul, of the apostles who rejoiced because of what the cross has done for us. Jesus Himself told us to bear our cross daily in Luke 9:23. Are you telling me that Jesus was teaching things that are not in obedience to God? By this everyone can see that you are followers of Satan in that you deny the cross of Jesus!
Blind and legalistic, the lot of you! You claim that the bible was corrupted, and that only the CoG members have the “true” revelation. Well I say that I want NO PART of your pitiful, weak, powerless, stupid god. My God, Jesus Christ, protected His Word from everything that tried to go against it and it remains true. Not like your stupid Ang Sahn Hong god, or fake mother god. Both of them were too powerless to even protect their word from corruption by men or by the devil. Why, that simply means that the devil and even men are more powerful than your useless gods!
Oh, how angry it makes me to see how they pervert the truth to fit their cult teachings and destroy people’s families. Repent from your falsehoods! If not, then at least stop dragging people down to hell with you!
By: Jamie on April 15, 2008
at 2:59 pm
Hi scarletfire. God bless you. Well, I notice you keep asking me if I’m married and I was never married to any woman. So now you know. I’m very close to my family too. So you said that Christ Ahnsahnghong made predictions of the Second Coming of Christ and He never claimed He is the One who fulfill the prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ. Here’s why:
Did Ahnsahnghong claimed to be the Christ?
Of course not.
Now we will analyze this question and answer. This is even more proof that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, for the reason that he never claimed to be the Christ. According to the concept of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one and the same God. Jehovah came in the flesh as Son Jesus, but he will return a Second time as the Holy Spirit, or the Second Coming Christ.
Rev 1:8 {”I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”}
I am the Alpha and the Omega, says God. Who is, Jesus the Son. Who was, Jehovah the Father…..Then who is to come…Who is the one to come?
Jn 16:5-12{ ”Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.}
Jn 14:26 {But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.}
The one to come is the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not just some kind of energy, like some people think otherwise why did Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as “HIM” or “HE”, spirits do not have a gender, gender is only given to those who take the flesh. because not only does he have a gender but according to the Bible he also has a name:
Mt 28:19 { Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,}
The Bible says baptize them in THE NAME, not the title of the Father, Jehovah. in THE NAME of the Son, Jesus and in THE NAME of the Holy Spirit. then if the Father and the Son have a name, that means that the Holy Spirit should also have a name. The name of the Father is not Father, that is his title. in the same way the name of the Holy Spirit is not Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, then if the Holy Spirit has a name, that must mean that he Holy Spirit is coming in the flesh. the coming of the Holy Spirit in the flesh is actually the Coming of the Second Coming Christ.
Then when you see the Jesus’ explanation of the coming of the Holy Spirit, you see that he says that the Holy Spirit will not speak on his own, he will take from what is Jesus and make it known to us, he will remind us of everything Jesus Christ said to us. but why does he need to remind us????….. The reason is because people forgot, about the Sabbath day:
Luke 4:16 { He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read}
about the Passover:
Mt 26:17-28{On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ “So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover…While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.}
about the Feasts of God that Jesus kept and taught. As Christians we should follow the example of Christ”
Jn 13:15 {I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.}
But the only one to remind us of all these truths has been Christ Ahnsahnghong. according to prophecy Christ Ahnsahnghong as the Holy Spirit, cannot speak on his own, he can only remind us of what Jesus Christ said. God knew many false Christs were going to appear proclaiming themselves to be Christ. for this reason he prophesied about the true Second Coming Christ, Jesus Christ testified about the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong. In the Same way that Jehovah the Father testified about the coming of Jesus.
John 5:31 {”If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. There is one who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.”}
Lastly, to get a good understanding of what happens when Christ reveals his identity to others.
Mark 14:61-65 “…Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? “I am,” said Jesus…”You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.”
-The moment he said he was Christ, he was charged w/ blasphemy and condemned to death. Same thing happens in Luke.
Luke 22:67 {”If you are the Christ,” they said, “tell us.” Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me…”}
Then by Christ Ahnsahnghong not proclaiming himself to be Christ he fulfilled another prophecy. According to his teachings he is God, the Second Coming Christ.
Jn 7:24 {Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”}
Jn 7:16-18 { Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.}
Let us stop Judging God by mere appearances, let us see his teachings; in this way by studying the truth that Christ Ahnsahnghong taught you will see that it is impossible for these teachings to come from a man. Actions are stronger than words.
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 3:23 pm
Hi Jamie. God bless you. I see this is your blog. I really thank you for creating this. I learn a lot. So you said we all should keep Jesus cross. Do you know that the cross has no power at all?
The Church of God does not erect crosses inside the church or on top of it, in accordance with the teachings of the Second Coming Christ, Ahnsahnghong. The cross is an idol, and God’s people must never adore the cross, or bow down to it.
Nowadays, nearly every church uses the cross to symbolize Christ; however, the cross had been utilized as a pagan religious symbol long before Christ’s crucifixion. The Bible never condones the use of the cross, and not a single verse reads, “The cross is to be the symbol of the church,” or, “The cross should be erected on top of the church,” or even, “The cross should be treated as a sacred symbol because it represents the precious blood of Christ.”
Historically, the cross was only used as an executioner’s tool. The apostles never believed or testified that the cross should be erected within the church and revered by God’s people. The truth of the Early Church did not include any teachings about the cross. The Early Church did not use the cross to symbolize Christianity and they did not believe that the cross held any power to drive out evil spirits. The saints of the Early Church did, however, repeatedly stress that idol worshipers would never be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
We need to judge for ourselves whether it is right to set up the cross—following the customs of men—or whether we should refrain from using the cross, in accordance with God’s teachings. God commanded His people not to use or make idols, of any form.
History discloses that the ancient Babylonians were the first people to use the cross for the purpose of worship; the symbol was used to worship Tammuz, the Babylonian god. The first letter of his name (“T”) was inscribed on the official garments of the priests, and their amulets were molded into the same shape. Thus, the cross was a pagan religious symbol.
As the Babylonian culture spread to Egypt, the cross—the symbol of the Babylonian god—was also introduced into Egyptian religion. The wall paintings within the ancient Egyptian temples, as well as their monuments, depict Egyptian kings and gods holding crosses in their hands. The relics of Amenophis IV are covered with crosses, hanging around the sun. Assyrian sculpted monuments show soldiers with crosses around their necks as they battle against Egypt, and the symbol adorned the necks of the Assyrian kings. Thus, the cross had been used as an ornament to decorate garments, beginning around 1400 B.C.
The Romans also worshiped the cross before their culture had fully developed, placing it over their tombs as a charm. Cross-idolatry continued even after the Roman Empire was established. Roman coins, crafted in 46 B.C., hold Jupiter’s portrait, along with a scepter where a cross hangs. The cross, popularly known as the “Calvary Cross,” is also found on the ancient gravestones in Thessaly, Greece.
Considering such historical evidence, it is clear that the cross had been worshiped by pagans long before the Christian era. It had been widely used to inflict capital punishment after being chosen, in the age of the Roman Empire, as a tool of execution. In those days, the cross was an instrument used to crucify vicious criminals. Since Jesus was hung on the cross, we can guess how much the people had hated Him.
Nowadays, most churches use the cross. We can clearly see how corrupted Christianity became after adopting pagan customs. To use the cross as a symbol of the church is an abominable thing, and the churches who erect the cross inadvertently participate in the scheme of the devil—who put Jesus to death.
Many Catholics—who consider the cross to be an object of worship, and Protestants—who use the cross as a symbol of Christ, believe that the cross has been used since the days of the Early Church. However, there is no record of the cross being erected on the Early Church, or of such a pattern being made into an ornament. Historically, the cross first appeared in a church or chamber in 431 A.D., and it was first erected on the top of a steeple in 586 A.D. Thus, veneration of the cross was only a religious custom that appeared after Christianity had begun to absorb paganism.
We have to understand the true meaning of the cross, as it was written in the New Testament. The Bible does not boast of the cross itself on which Christ was crucified, but instead, the Bible boasts of Christ, who was sacrificed on the cross, shedding His blood for our sins.
Gal. 6:14 『May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.』
1 Cor. 1:17-23 『…lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God….but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles…』
The cross itself has no power and it cannot grant us salvation. The instrument itself, on which Jesus was sacrificed, is not important. It is only through the precious blood of Jesus that we can receive the forgiveness of our sins.
Eph. 1:7 『In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace…』
Some who boast of the cross say, “If there had not been a cross, there would have been no blood-shedding, no atonement for our salvation, and the prophecy that Jesus would be sacrificed as the Passover lamb, shedding His blood, would not have been fulfilled. Therefore, the cross—on which Jesus shed His precious blood—is the boast of Christians, and a symbol of faith.” If this argument were true, they would accept the following false logic as well: “If there had not been no Jews and no Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus and instigated His crucifixion, the prophecy about Jesus shedding His precious blood would not have been fulfilled. Therefore, even Pilate—who executed Jesus—should be respected because he was the person who fulfilled God’s prophecy. He should be venerated as a symbol of salvation in addition to the cross.” However, Jesus spoke of Judas Iscariot as follows:
Mark 14:21 『”The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”』
The cross is merely a cursed tree (Gal. 3:13), used by the Romans as a tool of execution. Those who hung Jesus on that tree will be tortured in everlasting hell.
It was already prophesied in the Book of Law that, after the crucifixion, the cross would be publicly used within churches. Long ago, the Israelites went through the desert and bypassed the land of Edom. The people grew impatient along the way and spoke against God and against Moses. Then God’s wrath came upon them; He sent venomous snakes to bite the people of Israel, and many died. After hearing Moses’ prayer, however, God ordered him to make a bronze snake to deliver the Israelites.
Num. 21:8-9 『The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.』
The bronze snake itself had no power; it could not make the Israelites live. It was only God’s word that allowed the Israelites to live: “Anyone who is bitten can look at it [the bronze snake] and live.” The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake up to the time of King Hezekiah, falsely believing that the bronze snake had saved them.
2 Kings 18:4 『He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)』
※”Nehushtan” means “a piece of bronze.”
The Israelites, who had been bitten by a snake, could live by looking at the bronze snake. This history is a shadow and reveals that mortal spirits, who were deceived by Satan, can live by looking at Jesus Christ—by His precious blood of sacrifice.
John 3:14 『”Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”』
Just as the bronze snake had no power to give life, the cross itself, on which Jesus died, has no power to give us life. We can be saved only by the words of God—”The precious blood of Christ is the only thing that can give you life.” The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake for almost a thousand years after Moses. This abominable act is a shadow, the reality of which is seen in all of the people who worship the cross—a mere instrument of capital punishment—forgetting the power of Jesus’ precious blood, the power of the Passover. We must not set up any image to worship God, because God is spirit. The sacred law of the new covenant is the only way to worship God, and it is the true symbol of salvation.
Deut. 27:15 『Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol—a thing detestable to the LORD, the work of the craftsman’s hands—and sets it up in secret.』
Jer. 10:3-5 『For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk.』
The cross is mere an idol and cannot give us salvation. It is a tree that is cut out of the forest and shaped by a craftsman’s chisel.
The Catholic Church honors Mary as the Mother of Jesus, as “the Mother of God,” praying in front of statues of Mary. On the surface, such a practice appears to be a good way to teach filial piety, but within such worship is hidden the scheme of the devil, who takes advantage of the human mentality.
Matt. 12:46-50 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Out of all of the creatures that He had created, Jesus chose a woman, Mary, to make Himself flesh, so that He might come to this earth.
It is not Biblical to revere a mere woman, one of God’s creatures, claiming that she is the Mother of God—the Creator—simply because she bore Him. Actually, the practice of worshipping the image of Mary—followed by the Catholic Church—originated in the ancient Babylonian religion, not in the Early Church. In Babylon, there was a powerful king named Nimrod (Gen. 10:8) whose wife was named Semiramis. Because of her husband’s high position, Semiramis wielded great power. She claimed that when Nimrod died, he became the sun god. She named her son Tammuz and proclaimed him to be the reincarnation of Nimrod. Semiramis, the mother, was worshipped along with her child. Babylonian monuments depict the goddess Semiramis, holding her son, Tammuz, in her arms.
This worship of “mother and child” spread to many other ancient countries who were under the influence of Babylon. In Germany, the goddess Hertha was depicted with her child in her arms, and Indian relics show the goddess Indrani carrying her child in her arms. In Egypt, the mother figure was referred to as Isis and her child as Horus. There are many statues and images of Isis, holding the infant Horus on her knee. This ancient, pagan religion spread to Rome, where it widely prevailed.
These pagan customs infiltrated early Christianity, and the worship of the pagan goddess was reinterpreted as Mary holding the Baby Jesus. Thus, the Catholic Church’s worship of Mary originated in pagan idolatry, not from the Bible.
Lev. 26:1 『Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it.』
Deut. 27:15 『Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol─a thing detestable to the Lord, the work of the craftsman’s hands─and sets it up in secret.』
From the Biblical point of view, sculpted images of Mary are idols. Whoever erects them, so that they may be worshipped, will be eternally cursed by God and will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Is it clear to you? God bless you.
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 4:04 pm
JEREMIAH CHAPTER 10: 1-6 THE CROSS, DETESTABLE TO GOD
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 3:43 pm
The way of humility
Father Ahnsahnghong
World Mission Society Church of God
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
Christ began to preach the kingdom of heaven by urging people to repent (Mt 4:17). The first step of repentance is to realize that we are sinners and to humble ourselves. In order to achieve a complete repentance and the hope for heaven, we are to follow the way of humility.
Humility is the opposite of arrogance. Studying the previous lives of the kings of Tyre and Babylon in Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14, we can see that pride is the basic cause of sin. Because of our arrogance, we were implicated in Lucifer’s sin and were cast down to earth. We were angels in heaven, being placed in high positions, but by being proud we defiled ourselves and committed sin to be hurled down to the earth. Through this fact, we understand why we must humble ourselves before God.
Learn the humility of Christ
Martin Luther the Reformer ever said, “I’ve never tried to learn the miracles of Jesus. I just want to learn His humility.” Jesus Christ came to seek and save the lost; He gave His disciples many teachings on humility and showed them His personal example of humility. Apostle Paul strongly urged the saints to have the same attitude or mind as Christ―which is the attitude of humility.
Php 2:3-11 『… but in humility consider others better than yourselves.… Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death―even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place … and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.』
Whoever wants to repent and returns to heaven must have the same attitude of humility as Christ. Just as Paul and Luther said, humility is one of the most important virtues we should learn from Christ. God asks us to humble ourselves to remove our pride that caused us to sin in heaven.
Lk 18:9-14 『To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men―robbers, evildoers, adulterers―or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”』
God justified the tax collector rather than the Pharisee, and showed him favor; for the tax collector would not even look up to heaven and acknowledged himself to be a sinner, asking God for His mercy, while the Pharisee proclaimed his own righteousness.
Whoever exalts himself, whoever is arrogant, will be humbled. But he who humbles himself and recognizes his sinfulness like the tax collector, will be exalted and receive glory in heaven; for he always thanks God for saving him a sinner and lives in accordance with His will. Think of Christ, the example of exaltation after humility; since He humbled himself, He became highly exalted and glorified.
God gives grace to the humble
Apostle Peter, who was taught by Jesus about humility, gave us a teaching as follows:
1 Pe 5:5-6 『 … All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time.』
God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble and lift them up in due time. If we realize our sins in heaven and always have the attitude of the tax collector who deeply repented his sins, saying, “Lord, I am a sinner,” how dare we proclaim our own righteousness before God and insist upon our own opinion and reign over others?
1 Pe 5:1-4 『… Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, serving as overseers―not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.』
When we set a good example of humility, when we seek to gain the understanding of others rather than insist upon our own opinion and consider them better than ourselves just as Christ taught us, the hearers of the gospel will attain to its full understanding under the guidance of God. God is with him who is lowly in spirit (Isa 57:15), and He saves the humble (Job 22:29; Ps 149:4). Power comes from humility; for it is stronger than pride. Taking it to heart, we shall follow Christ’s example of humility.
King Nebuchadnezzar and King Saul were brought down by their arrogance
There are many biblical cases of those who were brought low due to their arrogance. In Daniel 4, when Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon became proud and completely forgot about God, thinking that he did it all by himself, he lost his mind and lived like an animal, and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven. He lost all his power and was brought low, lower than any men. After that, he learned humility. When he became humble, his wisdom and understanding returned to him and his kingdom was restored to him (Da 4:24-37).
Man has a sinful nature of pride which caused him to fall into sin. So just being praised makes him easily haughty and arrogant. One such example pertains to King Saul.
1 Sa 15:10-23 『Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel: “I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” … Samuel said to Saul. “… Although you were once small in your own eyes, did you not become the head of the tribes of Israel? The LORD anointed you king over Israel. And he sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.’ Why did you not obey the LORD? Why did you pounce on the plunder and do evil in the eyes of the LORD? … To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.”』
Considering the case of King Saul, we can fully understand what kind of people God uses. When Saul was small in his own eyes, God made him king. But when he became arrogant, God regretted that He made him king.
From the moment Saul thought to himself, ‘Now I can do everything all by myself,” he began to disobey God’s command. Such a thought made him proud, and he dared even to exalt his own opinion over God’s command; God had commanded him to completely destroy the Amalekites, but he didn’t obey God and spared the fat calves and lambs. For this, God rebuked him through the prophet Samuel.
If Saul had remained humble after he was exalted to the throne, he would have obeyed God’s word. However, he became full of pride and disobeyed God. Finally he was rejected by God and died a miserable death.
All this was written to teach us. God humbles the proud and exalts the humble. We must understand why God emphasizes humility. Pride is a root cause of every sin which makes us separate from God. That’s why God re-peatedly tells us to be humble.
God trained His people to be humble through hardships in the desert
Ezekiel 28 shows that the king of Tyre was anointed as a guardian cherub in heaven, who was blameless in his ways from the day he was created, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. But his heart became proud on account of his beauty and foolishly thought that he would exalt his throne above the throne of God. This shows how proud the first criminal was in his heart.
Pride arises in our hearts when we forget that we sinned against God and were cast down from heaven to the earth. It becomes greater when we depend only on our own wisdom, knowledge and strength, not asking for God’s help. We are earnestly longing to go back to our heavenly home. To urge people throughout the world to repent, first we must remove all pride from our hearts and humble ourselves.
Dt 8:1-6 『 … Remember how the LORD your God led you all the way in the desert these forty years, to humble you and to test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his command. He humbled you, causing you to hunger … Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you. Observe the commands of the LORD your God, walking in his ways and revering him.』
God trained the Israelites in the desert for forty years, in order to make them humble. He thus trained His children on earth lest they should repeat Lucifer’s rebellion in heaven. Now God trains us in this spiritual desert. If we still want to be exalted, it is against God’s will, isn’t it?
God wants us to be changed into the humble ones. His teachings about humility is not hard to find in the Bible. If we refuse to humble ourselves and remain proud, exalting ourselves above others, until the end of our life of faith in this spiritual desert, we will lose the heavenly Canaan.
Let’s consider the attitude of faith God wants us to have, through the following story.
Attitude of humility with a serving heart
A man dreamed he went to heaven. There were numerous thrones for the saints, the royal priests, and he found the highest throne unoccupied. He wondered who would sit on the throne. Then an angel beside him told that the throne would be occupied by his teacher.
When he woke up from his dream, he wondered if his teacher was really worthy to occupy the throne. He asked his teacher how he estimated himself. Then he replied, “I consider myself the most evil person in the world.” “What do you mean by that?” he asked in surprise. His teacher said to him:
“If God had given His grace to any other person, he would have been much better than me. In spite of having received such a great blessing from God, I’ve not completely humbled myself and repented enough, so I have failed to lead more people into the right path. That’s why I consider myself as the most wicked person in the world.”
The teacher’s attitude we should imitate. He humbled himself before God, feeling sorry for not leading more people to God in spite of having received His great blessing. Humility is a virtue Christians must have.
Everything we have comes from God. So we have nothing to boast of in the presence of God (cf. 1 Co 4:6-7). If the grace of God given to me was given to any other person, he would bring more glory to God than me and perform His gospel work more faithfully. Thinking that way, we must humble ourselves.
Apostle Paul called himself ‘the worst of sinner’ (1 Ti 1:15). He had received so much grace from God, but he thought that if it had been given to any other person, he would have made even greater achievements than him. He thus humbled himself and considered himself the least of all. He devoted himself wholly to the gospel of Christ, feeling obligated to preach the gospel to everyone, as a minister of the new covenant.
Let’s all have an attitude of humility toward one another along with a serving heart, following our Father and Mother’s examples. Like the tax collector in the parable, let’s humble ourselves and give thanks to God for His abundant grace given to us sinners. Brothers and sisters in Zion! Following the example of Christ, let us practice humility in our daily life, humbling ourselves before God and serving one another, so we will all enter the everlasting kingdom.
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 4:08 pm
One thing I am still not sure of brofromzion did Ahnsahnghong say that he believed that the second coming of Christ would be in 1988??
By: ramblinrose on April 15, 2008
at 4:18 pm
This post is never true.
Passover and Sabbathday is God’s Feasts.
but you keep the sunday service, birthday of Sun god. don’t you?
I don’t want to tell about God’s Truth to those who don’t keep God’s Feasts.
By: Sarang on April 15, 2008
at 4:34 pm
This post is never true. Tell me true.
Passover and Sabbathday is God’s Feasts.
but you keep the sunday service, birthday of Sun god. don’t you?
I don’t want to tell about God’s Truth to those who don’t keep God’s Feasts.
By: Sarang on April 15, 2008
at 4:41 pm
Do you COG members ever think that you might be wrong about Ahnsahnghong? If you are you are doing exactly what Jesus warned you not to do! Talk about idols and pegan religion you guys might be in real trouble!
By: ramblinrose on April 15, 2008
at 4:43 pm
Hi ramblinrose. God bless you. I see you said that Ahnsahnghong predicted the Second Coming of Christ in 1988? True. But the funny thing though is that even though He is the Second Coming Christ, He never claimed it. You know why? Let’s find out through the Bible.
Actually, this is even more proof that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, for the reason that he never claimed to be the Christ. According to the concept of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one and the same God. Jehovah came in the flesh as Son Jesus, but he will return a Second time as the Holy Spirit, or the Second Coming Christ.
Rev 1:8 {”I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”}
I am the Alpha and the Omega, says God. Who is, Jesus the Son. Who was, Jehovah the Father…..Then who is to come…Who is the one to come?
Jn 16:5-12{ ”Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.}
Jn 14:26 {But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.}
The one to come is the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not just some kind of energy, like some people think otherwise why did Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as “HIM” or “HE”, spirits do not have a gender, gender is only given to those who take the flesh. because not only does he have a gender but according to the Bible he also has a name:
Mt 28:19 { Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,}
The Bible says baptize them in THE NAME, not the title of the Father, Jehovah. in THE NAME of the Son, Jesus and in THE NAME of the Holy Spirit. then if the Father and the Son have a name, that means that the Holy Spirit should also have a name. The name of the Father is not Father, that is his title. in the same way the name of the Holy Spirit is not Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, then if the Holy Spirit has a name, that must mean that he Holy Spirit is coming in the flesh. the coming of the Holy Spirit in the flesh is actually the Coming of the Second Coming Christ.
Then when you see the Jesus’ explanation of the coming of the Holy Spirit, you see that he says that the Holy Spirit will not speak on his own, he will take from what is Jesus and make it known to us, he will remind us of everything Jesus Christ said to us. but why does he need to remind us????….. The reason is because people forgot, about the Sabbath day:
Luke 4:16 { He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read}
about the Passover:
Mt 26:17-28{On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ “So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover…While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.}
about the Feasts of God that Jesus kept and taught. As Christians we should follow the example of Christ”
Jn 13:15 {I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.}
But the only one to remind us of all these truths has been Christ Ahnsahnghong. according to prophecy Christ Ahnsahnghong as the Holy Spirit, cannot speak on his own, he can only remind us of what Jesus Christ said. God knew many false Christs were going to appear proclaiming themselves to be Christ. for this reason he prophesied about the true Second Coming Christ, Jesus Christ testified about the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong. In the Same way that Jehovah the Father testified about the coming of Jesus.
John 5:31 {”If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. There is one who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.”}
Lastly, to get a good understanding of what happens when Christ reveals his identity to others.
Mark 14:61-65 “…Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? “I am,” said Jesus…”You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.”
-The moment he said he was Christ, he was charged w/ blasphemy and condemned to death. Same thing happens in Luke.
Luke 22:67 {”If you are the Christ,” they said, “tell us.” Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me…”}
Then by Christ Ahnsahnghong not proclaiming himself to be Christ he fulfilled another prophecy. According to his teachings he is God, the Second Coming Christ.
Jn 7:24 {Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”}
Jn 7:16-18 { Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.}
Let us stop Judging God by mere appearances, let us see his teachings; in this way by studying the truth that Christ Ahnsahnghong taught you will see that it is impossible for these teachings to come from a man. Actions are stronger than words.
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 6:32 pm
Hi ramblinrose. You also said that we might be wrong with Ahnsahnghong. I’ll tell you what, He is the only One who fulfill all the prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ: The Savior of Each Age and the New Name, Clouds & Flesh, The Parable of the Fig Tree, About the East, Trinity, The Order of Melchizedek, The Tree of Life and many more. Also, Ahnsahnghong’s World Mission Society Church of God is the only church that keeps ALL God’s commandments, feasts, and customs on it’s appointed times: Passover of the New Covenant, The Feast of Unleavened Bread, The Feast of Firstfruits, The Feast of Weeks, The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, The Feast of Tabernacles, Sabbath Day, Baptism, Veil for women when she worship and prays to God. I’ve seen other churches only keeps a partial of God’s commandments, wills, feasts, and customs.
So ramblinrose, if you can find me another man who claims he is the Second Coming Christ and his church keeps all of God’s commandments, feasts, wills, and customs, please let me know. God bless you.
Revelation 2:17 [“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a
white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.”]
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 6:48 pm
I laugh at your mindless legalism. I agree that your post is never true Sarang. You know nothing of the doctrine of redemption.
So what if Sunday was named after the Sun God? You worship on Saturday, named after Saturn, the roman god! Hypocrite! Fix your ways before you tell me to fix mine. And, you assume that everyone speaks English. How naive and ignorant you are. In my country, many speak Malay as their first language. Sunday is NOT called Sunday, it’s Ahad. Heck, I’m pretty sure it’s not Sunday in Korean either.
See how ignorant the teachings of Ang Sanh Hong’s church is everyone? They teach brainless, shallow legalism as the way to salvation.
By: Jamie on April 15, 2008
at 7:37 pm
Ok Brofromzion, I will give it one last go regarding Mary.
She is the Mother of God, as she bore Jesus. Simple really. God chose her and Joesph to raise his son. He had a lot of faith in them. The Catholic Church does not worship her. Sorry, they don’t. You are wrong. All your talk about statues of mothers holding babies, and trying to suggest this spilt over to Catholic practice is nothing more than conjecture. You have only supposition to work with. May is honoured, as she should be, as are other saints who have gone before us. They are examples of how we should live. Now, about idols. God doesn’t like man made idols because people worship them expecting the idol to preform mircles, which they can’t. God gets angry about that! Symbols of faith are not idols. Sorry, they arn’t. People like to revere things that remind themselves of important events. That’s why, important documents are sealed and put on display. Making and admiring Statues, paintings, and the like are normal human traits, and you do us a disserve suggesting they are idols being worshiped.
No Catholic is on their knees begging Mary, or a cross to save their soul. They know where the power is – because priests have had two thousand years of considered study to teach their parisheners. You insult us with your petty criticism.
Your following of feasts and such are interesting. Some are out of left field, and not supported by other students of the bible. Some pretty clever people have looked into these things more than a few times. You the only ones who got it right? Now about your mate, Ahnsahnhong.
OK, so your mate is the second coming of christ. ??Or is the Holy Spirit? Or both? God help you you idot! Jesus doesn’t need another body to come back to earth in, he has his orginal one. And the Holy Spirit has been around a long time. Being Spirit form hardly suggests it would need a body, Ahnsahghongs, or anyone elses. The Holy Spirit is the part of God which carrys out his instructions.
You want us to believe your warped view and interpretation of the bible, and you throw around the scary going to hell parts. The more you quote those parts of the bible about false teachers and false christs, the more I think of you and your religon. I noticed in life, the thief accuses others of being dishonest. This diverts attention away from his own behaviour!
You throw around the threat of hell like it is yours to do so with. You reduce God to a simple book keeper, only concerned with feasts, wills and customs. You speak as if God will not be interested in those who pray to him, invite him into their lives, Trust in him. Remember and love his son for what he has done for them. Your arrogance is astounding.
Good luck with judgment day. You are going to need it.
By: Bruce on April 15, 2008
at 8:03 pm
Well brofromzion, you seem different from the usual CoG people who never answer anything. Yet you still have missed the point of the cross.
You accuse Christians of worshipping and bowing down to the cross. I say we do neither. Have you even considered what Christians say about the cross? Just because the CoG told you Christians worship the cross doesn’t mean that it is the truth. The cross reminds us of Jesus’ sacrifice and the shedding of His blood, and it is a reminder that we have forgiveness of our sins. It is also a reminder that through Jesus’ death, we have healing and eternal life. It is also a reminder to live our lives as sacrifices to God, holy and set apart in that we crucify the desires of our flesh.
We neither worship the cross itself, nor the punishment of the cross. You claim that it is a pagan symbol and that having it in church means we are worshipping an idol. Haven’t you even stepped into a church? Do people pray in the name of the cross? No, they pray in the name of Jesus. Do people sing worship songs to the cross? no, they sing to Jesus. Do people get baptized in the name of the Father, Cross and Holy Spirit? Obviously not. The shallow understanding that CoG teaches about the cross is really not something that holds up under close scrutiny.
You claim that the cross was used historically by pagans at the earliest. You do not seem to be aware that perhaps 3000 years ago as the Israelites marched with the tent of the tabernacle across the desert in their journey to Canaan they marched in the form of a cross. Even before it was used as a punishment, it was already a symbol of victory and glory to God.
Furthermore, you seem to think that once a pagan symbol, always a pagan symbol. Let me ask you, is a sinner always a sinner even if he accepts Ang Sanh Hong as his lord and savior? I’m sure you’d say something like he’s been redeemed and is no longer classified under “sinner”. Yet then, why can’t a symbol be redeemed as well? I tell you, the cross once was a symbol of torture and humiliating death, but through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ God redeemed the image of the cross into a symbol of Christ’s victory and triumph over death and the devil.
In no way then are Christians worshipping the cross as an idol. We remember Jesus when we see the cross, and it is He whom we worship, so do not slander us with your accusations when you are worshipping a human in South Korea.
Oh and by the way, if CoG is the only true way, then why is it so weak compared to Yoido Full Gospel Church? Is God not ready to save the world from Christianity? Is he only going to pick and choose who he wants in heaven?
There is no POWER in CoG. Look at the lives and ministries of people like Kathryn Kuhlman, Benny Hinn, Reinhard Bonke, Smith Wigglesworth. All these are not CoG members. THey are Christians! The Holy Spirit moves/d in them mightily to raise the dead, heal the sick, cast out demons and restore the broken hearted. What do CoG members do that show the power of God?
Anyway, I’m done talking with you because I’m pretty sure you are not going to be convinced or listen. All I want to do is to stop people from being drawn into the teachings of CoG.
By: Jamie on April 15, 2008
at 8:06 pm
God bless you Jamie. So you worship God on Sunday? Didn’t God commanded us to keep the Sabbath day? Let’s look at the Bible if God really told us to keep the Sabbath day:
Jer. 17:24-27 [“But if you are careful to obey me, declares the LORD…keep the Sabbath day holy by not doing any work on it,…this city will be inhabited forever…. But if you do not obey me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses.”]
Exodus 20:11 [For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.]
So God commanded us, through the Bible, to keep the Sabbath day holy by giving this day to Him to worship Him. Now let’s find out when is the Sabbath day through the Bible:
Mark 16:9 [When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.]
So we celebrate Jesus resurrection on Sunday. The Bible says that Jesus rose on the “first day of the week”. So that makes Saturday the seventh day of the week. Let’s even look at our own Dictionary online to see the meaning of Sunday and Saturday:
Saturday – seventh day of the week, following Friday.
Reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Saturday
Sunday – first day of the week, observed as the Sabbath by most Christian sects.
Reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sunday
So why most Christians are keeping Sunday, the first day of the week, as the Sabbath day when God Himself made Saturday, the seventh day of the week, the rest day and made it holy for Him. Now did Jesus and His Apostles kept the Sabbath day?
Matthew 12:8 [For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.]
Luke 6:5 [Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”]
Luke 4:16 [He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom….]
Acts 17:2 [As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures…]
Clearly, Jesus and His Apostles kept the Sabbath day as God’s custom. So how did it change from the seventh to the first day?
After the apostles died, Christianity spread to western regions, including Rome. The gospel was preached to sun-god worshipers, and in the early 4th century, even the Roman emperor had heard the message of Christ. The emperor happened to be a leader of the sun-god worshipers, and when he converted to Christianity, many sun-god worshipers began to attend Church. As time passed, the faith of the Christians weakened, and they began to accept the customs of the sun-god worshipers. During this turn-over, they even began to rest and to worship on the first day of the week [Sunday]. In A.D. 321, Constantine, a Roman emperor, decreed an edict:
“All judges, city-people and craftsmen shall rest on the venerable day of the Sun.”
Some argue that the abolishment of the Sabbath compelled many people to convert to Christianity, but we must not forget that altering God’s commandments was Satan’s scheme. Satan, the devil, opposes God and has historically harassed God’s people, using various methods.
So if most Christians are worshipping God on Sunday, are they following God’s tradition or rules taught by men:
Mark 7:6-9 [He [Jesus] replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”]
I hope it’s clear to you. Should we follow God or the tradition of men? I wanna follow God, of course. God bless you.
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 8:08 pm
to all CoG members
mm.. thanks to Olivia telling me to visit CoG website…
but why dont you answer my question here, I only need your brief explaination…
thanks GodBless~
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 15, 2008
at 8:57 pm
Hi Bruce. God bless you. You said that you don’t worship Mary. Then why do Catholics do the rosary? Did God told us to pray the rosary? Also, Catholics pray the “Hail Mary” So do you pray on someone you don’t worship? What about statues of Jesus on the cross and Mary and the saints. Is that following God’s commandment?
The Catholic Church honors Mary as the Mother of Jesus, as “the Mother of God,” praying in front of statues of Mary. On the surface, such a practice appears to be a good way to teach filial piety, but within such worship is hidden the scheme of the devil, who takes advantage of the human mentality.
Matt. 12:46-50 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Why World Mission Society Church of God keeps ALL God’s commandments, customs, feasts, and wills?
Mark 7:6-9 [He [Jesus] replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”]
Matthew 7:21-29 [“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven…Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock…But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”]
Is it clear to you? We should put ALL God’s commandments and wills into practice instead of saying “Lord, I love you and I am already saved because I believe in you and accept you and I don’t have to do anything else”. This is really wrong. That’s why we have the Bible. God gave it to us not to just put it in our shelves to get it dust up but to seek God through the Bible. God bless you.
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 9:11 pm
As the Church of God makes contributions to society in setting good examples so has received many award including orders of merit, presidential citations.
How can the heresy get the award, orders of merit.
The members of the Church of God always doing good according to the God’s will.
By: happylife on April 15, 2008
at 10:30 pm
Parable of Weeds and Wheats
Father Ahnsahnghong
World Mission Society Church of God
There are so many churches existing in the world now, so many doctrines to “choose” from. However, we must be careful to come to find the correct church. God has been showing us in the Bible that just as there is truth and there is falsehood, the gospel in the Bible and a different gospel, God’s word and man-made stories, the true church and the false churches. Then we need to distinguish between which church is true and which is false. In the Bible, God helps us to distinguish the true church and the false church through the parable of the weeds and wheat.
Matt. 13:34-30 “24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. 27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28″ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29″ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ “
This parable is so important because if we understand it, we can also understand the kingdom of heaven. However, just reading this parable plainly, it’s difficult to understand. Even the disciples came to Jesus and asked him to explain the meaning because only Christ can explain its meaning.
Matt. 13:37 “He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Jesus explained the meaning as follows:
Sower of good seed = Son of Man (Jesus Christ)
Field = the world
Good seed (wheat) Sons of the Kingdom
Bad seed (weeds) = Sons of the evil one (evildoers)
Enemy = Satan
Harvest = end of the age
Reapers = angels
The bad seed (weeds) were sown while everyone was sleeping. Then, in reality, what is sleep in the Bible?
John 11:11 “After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.” 12 His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 13 Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep. 14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
Then, sleep in the Bible refers to death. Then what is it mean while everyone was dead? While Christ was here on earth, He sowed all of the good seeds of the gospel which lead us to the Kingdom of Heaven. However, Jesus physically died in AD 33. Thereafter, the disciples died one by one. After the last disciple died, the truth – all the good seeds that Jesus worked so hard to sow – began to disappear one by one.
In the parable, the weeds will be weeded out of the kingdom of heaven and thrown to hell. They are the evildoers and the ones who cause sin. But let’s confirm once again who are the evildoers.
Matt. 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Then, to the very “believers” in Christ, He will plainly say, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
Why? What is an evildoer in God’s point of view? Comparing verse 23 to NKJV, it says:
Matt. 7: 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”
Clearly, evildoers are those who practice lawlessness, not holding to the commands of God. Then God will weed out of the kingdom those who practice lawlessness. To such people, only the fires of hell are reserved. All of the churches that came up after Jesus’ death, if you notice, keep all the traditions and rules of men. It wasn’t until after Jesus’ physical death that such traditions like Christmas, Easter, Sunday worship and so on were celebrated by churches who have a foundation built on the seeds of weeds. Why now? Just as the parable stated, while everyone was sleeping, the evil one (satan) sowed the bad seeds of weeds (falsehood) in order to lead God’s people astray. However, the true church should be built on what foundation? The status of the church before Christ was sleeping.
Eph. 2: 20 “…built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”
Then we must look at the teachings of Christ and the foundation built on the Apostles to know what church Jesus sowed the good seeds of wheat in.
Luke 4:16-17 “He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written.”
It was Jesus’ custom while on the earth to worship in the Church on the Sabbath Day (Saturday). Why? So that He may receive a sign with God? Of course not! He set us an example of how to worship God, not changing the day but the way that it was kept. However, nowadays, churches of all kinds of denominations keep Sunday worship. Then, Sabbath is the seeds of wheat sowed by the Son of man while Sunday is the seed of weeds sowed by the evil one.
Even the Apostles continued the Sabbath worship after Jesus physically died.
Acts 17:2 “As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ,” he said.”
Then for sure, Sabbath is the foundation of truth built by the Apostles and Christ Himself.
This is why the Church of God World Mission Society keeps the Sabbath Day. We’re not just keeping the law. We’re following the example of Christ, being built on the Biblical foundation.
With regards to the way eternal life is received, what did Jesus promise?
Matt. 26:26 “While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, ‘Take and eat; this is my body.’ 27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.’”
We understand this verse to be talking about the Passover. However, churches nowadays keep the bread and wine of the communion. But how can this be communion if communion didn’t exist yet? Clearly, Passover is the wheat sowed by Christ while still on this earth. Communion, established in AD 325, is the weed sowed by the devil while everyone was sleeping. So Church of God World Mission Society continues to keep the Passover year after year as God commanded. It is the way Jesus said to receive His body and blood to receive eternal life.
Another seed of wheat sown during the laying of the foundation of the true church is the wearing of veils for women during worship.
1 Cor. 11:1 “Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. 2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you. 3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.”
It was already Christ’s example for men to not have their head covered, while women on the other hand must have her head covered during worship. However, churches nowadays do the complete opposite. Some men in other churches, even among the leaders in the church, cover their heads during worship. However, even this teaching proves to be the seed of weeds sown as Jesus set the example of women covering their head. So really, the fact that Church of God World Mission Society wears the veil for sisters, but not for brothers, is not strange. It is Christ’s example of the order of worship. Actually, it’s strange if churches don’t follow this way if they are called Christians.
Through the yearly feasts of God we can also distinguish which church is following the example of Christ, having the seeds of wheat sown by the Son of Man.
Acts 2:1 “When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.”
Again, following the example of Christ, the Disciples gathered together to keep the Feast of the Day of Pentecost. While most churches do not regard this day as so important, it the day specified in the Bible to receive God’s Holy Spirit. Therefore, the church keeping the Day of Pentecost, correctly, is the church built on the foundation of Christ and the Apostles; as well as the church in which the Son of Man sowed the seeds of wheat. Church of God World Mission Society, by no coincidence, keeps the Day of Pentecost at its appointed time in the Bible.
Have you ever heard if the Feast of Tabernacles? Actually, Jesus Christ kept this feast, too!
John 7:2 “But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, 3 Jesus’ brothers said to him, ‘You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do’… 14 Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach… 37 On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, ‘If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.’”
Jesus Himself kept the Feast of tabernacles. If it were because He was Jewish, then He would have slaughtered a lamb, as Moses’ law prescribes. However, during the Feasts, Jesus only taught the Word of God, further setting the example of how to worship God during the feast. Following the example of Christ, Church of God World Mission Society also keeps the Feast of Tabernacles. How about the other churches?
It is important for our salvation that we find the correct church built on the foundation of Christ and the Apostles, keeping the teachings of Christ before He was sleeping. Before Christ left the earth, while He was still physically alive, He sowed the seed of wheat of the Gospel through the teachings of Sabbath, Passover, women wearing the veil, men not, and keeping the Feasts of God. However, in accordance to the parable, while everyone was sleeping the evil one came and sowed the bad seed which sprang into weeds, not wheat. Likewise, about 300 years after Christ sowed the good seed of truth, and some years after the Apostle died, satan sneakily planted the bad seed of falsehood and lawlessness. However, in this state of lawlessness, where can we go to find truth? Yes, Church of God World Mission Society, but how is it that this church can know the difference between true and false? How does the Church of God produce the good harvest of wheat?
John 14:26 “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”
Jesus already knew that satan would come and distort the truth He established at Hi 1st coming. That’s why the Holy Spirit will “remind” us of what Jesus said. (Really Jesus will come back as the holy Spirit and remind His people about what He said the 1st time.)
However, it is the Church of God World Mission Society that is the only church that keeps all of the teachings and words of Christ before his slept. This is why we believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong. Jesus has returned as Christ Ahnsahnghong and reminded us of what He has said in His 1st coming in AD 33. Christ Ahnsahnghong re-established all the truth of the Bible and reseeded all of the wheat that was damaged from the devil. However, Christ Ahnsahnghong has not brought judgment on the false churches, the lawless, just yet. Why not? In accordance with His word of 2000 years ago:
Matt 13: 27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28″ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29″ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.”
The life force of the weeds is stronger than that of the wheat. They must prevail until the harvest. Though they appear to be sturdy, inside there is no crop. Likewise, all lawless churches flourish now, looking so luxurious outwardly. However, inside, there is no truth and nothing to lead us to salvation. God is waiting until the last Judgment Day to gather the weed-like churches to be burned in the fiery furnace of Hell. On the other hand, the wheat though looks so humble, inside there is a crop that God is looking for. This is proved to be the Church of God World Mission Society. Church of God World Mission Society may not be the most popular church, nor is it so fancy looking, but inside here is the true teachings of Christ. Church of God World Mission Society has been built on the foundation of the Apostles and the Christ who is prophesied to remind the Children of God of all the truth of God through which we can be saved. And on the last Judgment Day, Christ Ahnsahnghong will bring us to the Heavenly Barn, and take us to the Kingdom of Heaven. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 15, 2008
at 10:46 pm
Do you think we can go to heaven by just believe in God not following commads of God??
If you follow commands of God please tell me your Thuth!!
If sunday service is written in the Bible please show me!!
If we have to worship to Cross where is the evidence??
By: Happy girl on April 15, 2008
at 10:47 pm
It’s not true. Church of God follow the teaching of Bible.
And it receive many rewards because of so many public services.
But other churchs don’t keep the Truth of Bible.
They can’t know the will of God.
By: cham on April 15, 2008
at 11:15 pm
Jamie and others.
You have to distinguish what age we are living now?
The age of Holy Father?
The age of Holy Spirit?
We are living in the age of Holy Spirit.
You don’t know about Trinity.
Church of God has received the prize from Korea Republic Government.
Government of One Country never give prize to Pagan or cult.
You know.
Many People want to seek for truth and visit now.
You convince to be saved at the last day by God?
Do you keep God’s commandments?
Sunday service is not based on the Bible.
Christmas is also not based on the Bible.
Woman have to wear a veil during the service time.
Cross is idol.
You are doing idolatry evidently.
Look and Open your eyes.
Open the Bible.
And If you don’t and can’t believe Church of God and hate us.
It’s up to you.
Why you abuse us?
You are jealous of our Church of God?
Don’t abuse and judge everything with your own thought and prejudice.
By: returnedangel on April 15, 2008
at 11:16 pm
http://usa.watv.org
http://english.watv.org
Please drop by.
By: returnedangel on April 15, 2008
at 11:19 pm
Nowadays, many people say with their lips, “we believe in god and follow the teachings of the bible.”
Apparently they seem to be established to serve God; they put up crossed and keep the Sunday service and Christmas, thanks giving day, instead of the command of God that was written in the Bible.
actually they follow falsehood, turning their faces from the righteous teaching of the bible.
We require to see whether or not they follow God’s will-whether they base their teachings and deeds on the Bible or not. Do you think you can be saved if you do not keep God’s command?
The Bible warns us not to add or subtract even the smallest letter from the Bible. (Rev22:18)
only he who does the will of God can be saved.(Mt 7:21)
According to all these teaching of the Bible, Church of God World Mission Society follow the will of God, so that we may received salvation from God.
By: EMPIEZA on April 15, 2008
at 11:23 pm
Then let me ask you a question: Did the thief who hung on the cross go to heaven? He did not keep the passover, go to church on sabbath day or command his women to wear veils.
So was Jesus lying then when He was on the cross?
Fools and blind, all of you.
By: Jamie on April 15, 2008
at 11:31 pm
returnedangel knows nothing of the Trinity save what the CoG teaches him/her. That’s why I call him/her blind.
Honestly, you are like a broken answering machine. You always spout the same arguments. “Open your bible”, “you never study the bible”, “why you persecute the church”.
My answer to you is “shut up”. Why don’t YOU open the bible for yourself, study it for yourself and understand the word of God WITHOUT the lens of CoG’s teachings and allow the REAL Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth?
Do you have a degree in theology? How many hours a day do yuo spend readingthe bible? How many books have you written on the teachings in the bible?
You have no right and authority to act as if we did not already read the bible and claim we do not study it. Put a sock in it.
I will now delete comments that contain the same content. I have had enough of your tired nonsense. You teach legalistic, dead teachings that draw men into hellfire and I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT.
By: Jamie on April 15, 2008
at 11:36 pm
^^*
Why Church of God WMC is spreading to the wholeworld now?
Because This Church was built by God not man. Many People want to meet true truth not man’s
thinking and made truth by man.
http://english.watv.org/
By: Wow! on April 16, 2008
at 12:09 am
Hi Jamie. God bless you. You know there’s still time and all you have to do is hear what the Spirit says to the churches. That’s is Christ Ahnsahnghong, the One who fulfill all prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ. You know I really believe in Jesus as my personal savior but you have to understand that putting Jesus examples in practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock just as Jesus said and now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit, so we must seek the Holy Spirit. Ahnsahnghong reminded us of all the hidden truths and teachings of Jesus Christ that was abolished as prophecied. Sunday worship, Communion, Christmas, Thanks Giving are all man-made traditions. God bless you Jamie.
By: brofromzion on April 16, 2008
at 3:32 am
Like mentioned earlier no questions will be be answered. Fools are unable to provide the history of these fake Gods. They talk of idols and they worship false Gods. They do not follow the 10 Commandments. They eat the bullshit that is spread out to them and keep posting in the same old mama’s recipe’s of KIMCHI which gets boring
The prophecies what this man fulfilled is to have 2 & 3 wives, tamper with the Bible and what was his end result? God dies of Haemorrage. I wonder if all that happened when Jesus died & how he ascended. I was there in the 80’s Instead of making a visit to Lourdes or Holy land I would be too happy to meet Jesus in Korea LOL.
Wake up dudes. These long posts will have no effect out here
By: Bertha on April 16, 2008
at 3:49 am
My sister believed God for a long time. Then she changed her church. Now, my sister go to the Church of God. She said to me the Church of God is the only church which keeping the teaching of the bible, the Sunday service and the Christmas are not the teaching of the Bible. When I heard that in the first, I really surprised and excited. But I worried my sister, because it different from other churches.
Then, my sister was changed after she go to the Church of God. Now, she really looks like happy, she always smile. And she is very attentive to family. In weekend she cooks for family. wow!!! She really lovely.
Now, I come to know the reason.
Other church don’t keeping the teaching of God. The Sunday service and the Christmas is not the teaching of God. It’s only the teaching of Man. Then, how could they be saved and how could they have real happy?
I love my sister. I will go to the Church of God together. Because I also want to be happy.
By: jasica on April 16, 2008
at 10:09 am
Jamie
Thief was saved by God because of Jesus’ promise.
You don’t know anything about salvation.
Never.
Just Passover or Sabbath can save us?
No.
We keep this because God commanded and promised us.
Through God’s word and promise, We can be saved.
Thief received promise from Jesus, God.
So he is now in heaven.
Calm down.
You insist you spend much time to study and teach the Bible.
Even You did and do that.
Your effort will be resulted in waste of your time.
Because You don’t know the truth and have promise of eternal life.
Matt 7:21
Though you call God everyday, God will look on you indifference.
Because You never keep God’s commandment and words.
By: returnedangel on April 16, 2008
at 2:57 pm
Even Thief didn’t keep Sabbath or Passover ,He was saved because of God’s promise.
Did you receive the promise like him?
Never.
Yod didn’t.
By: returnedangel on April 16, 2008
at 2:58 pm
I’m touched with pity for you.
Even you blame our Church of God, We will be prousperous more and more.
Because We follow God and keep God’s all example.
Do you believe in Jesus?
And then you also have to keep his words.
By: returnedangel on April 16, 2008
at 3:02 pm
Don’t use insulting language and curses.
You seems to be in excited and enraged too much.
Calm down.
By: returnedangel on April 16, 2008
at 3:05 pm
To Returnedangl and Brofromzion.
Well you lot are fun to talk to. You harp on about the sabbath – yet Jesus refused to let it interfare with his work. “My Father works on the Sabbath, and so do I” you can look up the reference.
About the rosary. Do you know what it is? Why it is signifcant? No I didn’t think so. As I have mentioned before, what you say during prayer is the crutch of what is going on. Prayer does not equal worship. What you say, ask or plea is important. I guess this is a bit tricky for you but stay with me and you can see the difference. Take your time – The Words You Say Count! Oh and the bit about “Who is my mother, who is my brother” Lets look at the cross when Jesus is dying. He looks down at Mary and John and says “Behold, your Son, Behold your Mother”. Was she important to Jesus? Guess.
OK lets look at christmas. This is a non event as far as I can see. God speaks neither for, nor against it in the Old Testament. Jesus speaks neither for nor against it either. You know why? It hadn’t been invented. if people want to celebrate their Saviour’s birth then so what. Going to hell for that are we? Why?
OK communion. Jesus sits with his deciples and breaks the bread. “This is my body”. Pass around the wine. “This is the blood of my covenant.” He washes their feet. He gives them a new comandment. This does not sound like he is just reafirming an old jewish tradition of the passover/unleaven bread. I know what the passover festival was about – and if Jesus was just celebrating that, then why the things I have mentioned. You guys need to look deeper.
The bottom line is, If Ahnsahnhong is Christ re-incarnated – then you guys are right and you are home and hosed. You win. We lose. You guys get to go to heaven and we don’t. All the stuff about what to say, think and follow will be your victory.
Now, if Christ hasn’t come back with a new human body and person – then sorry, Matthew 7,21 is referring to you and the Church of God.
I am not risking my shot at paradise on the belief that Jesus found it nescessary to come back as Ahnsaghong.
I have left out bible references that I have quoted from. It might do you good to read the parts of the bible that your teachers havn’t underlined.
By: Bruce on April 16, 2008
at 4:55 pm
Hi everyone. God bless you all. In these last days, we must seek the spiritual Zion, where all God’s feasts and laws are being kept for our salvation. Christ Ahnsahnghong, came from Jerusalem Mother, is the One who established it, according to the Bible.
Ezekiel 37:24″ ‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees.
According to this prophecy, David will be king in the future. But at the time that Ezekiel wrote this, King David had already been dead for 400 years. Then which King David is he talking about? It must be Prophetical King David.
Luke 1:31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
Luke 1:32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Then who was given David’s throne? According to this verse, it was Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ had to fulfill the throne of King David which is why he was baptized at age 30, the same age that David was when he became king. But once He became prophetical King David, what must He do?
2 Samuel 5:7Nevertheless, David captured the fortress of Zion, the City of David.
2 Samuel 5:9David then took up residence in the fortress and called it the City of David. He built up the area around it, from the supporting terraces inward.
Then prophetical King David must build up spiritual Zion. Which Zion must He build up, Physical Zion in the Palestine area or Spiritual Zion? It should be spiritual Zion, then what makes up spiritual Zion?
Isaiah 33:20Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem, a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.
Isaiah 33:24No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”; and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven.
Zion is where the Feasts of God are celebrated and we can receive the forgiveness of sins. What are the Feasts of God?
Leviticus 23:2″Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
The Sabbath, The Passover and Unleavened Bread , Firstfruits, Feast of Weeks , Feast of Trumpets ,Day of Atonement , Feast of Tabernacles
2000 years ago all these feasts were established by Jesus Christ. However, in 321 AD Roman emperor Constantine abolished the Sabbath and in 325 a.d. the Passover was abolished also.(Dan7:25)
Then once these Feasts were abolished what happened to Zion? Zion was destroyed but what will God do?
Micah 4:1 In the last days….The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Who will rebuild Zion in the last days then?
Psalm 102:16For the LORD will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory.
King David ruled for 40 years. However, Jesus only preached for 3 years. So that means that must come back again to fulfill these prophecy. Christ Ahnsahnghong was baptized and preached and established the truths of Zion at the age of 30 in 1948 that was abolished by the Constantine, Roman Emperor in 325 AD and died when He was 37 years old in 1985.
King David = 40 years
Jesus = 3
Ahnsahnghong = 37
According to the Scriptures only God can rebuild Zion. But nowadays, Church of God World Mission Society is the only Church who celebrated the Feasts of God. Christ AhnsahngHong brought these Feasts back and reestablished Zion which was in ruins. He is the Lord Almighty. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 16, 2008
at 4:58 pm
Church of God is true one keeping Command of God and it was built up by God.
The bad word about Church of God is a lie.
Have you read the verses in the Bible??
1 John 2 : 3~
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him : Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
God said those who do not keep the commands of God are liars.
Nowadays many Christians are keeping Sunday service, Christmas and worshipping cross.
They are keeping not the command of God but men’s teaching.
How do they recognize God and truth and salvation.
Their word is just liar.
That is not true.
we have to listen to God carefully.
By: happylife on April 16, 2008
at 5:02 pm
Do you know that our church?
Your contente of a story is not true.
I think that maybe you keep the Feasts of man.(Mt.15:8)
->(Sunday survice, christmas..)
your actions is not God’s will
(Mt.7:21)
This post is beneath criticism.
By: Sarang on April 16, 2008
at 5:20 pm
Hi Bruce. God bless you. Well, looks like you don’t understand the Bible clearly. You know why? Because your interpretation is only your own opinion. Only God knows His own thoughts and unfortunately you don’t even believe and seek Him carefully.
Matthew 15:1-9 [Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ he is not to ‘honor his father with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”]
Jesus do and say things that Pharisees don’t understand. I’m sorry to say but your starting to sound just like them. God bless you.
By: brofromzion on April 16, 2008
at 6:10 pm
In the love of God, there is no racial discrimination or distinction between the rich and the poor. At the 2002 World cup, the members of the Church of God displayed voluntary activities, and at the 2002 Busan Asian Games and the FESPIC Games and at the 2003 Daegu Summer Universiade, they formed supporters groups and shared friendship with the athletes from over 170 countries. They spread the love of God and the warmheartedness of the Koreans to the whole world.
By: richman.love on April 16, 2008
at 7:03 pm
Honestly, arguments for CoG just stink of FAIL.
You raise examples where CoG has done voluntary work to help others. Okay, well and good. However, the amount they do is still lacking when compared to the amount that is done by the entirety of Christendom. I laugh at you, CoG.
You call people Pharisee. I almost fell down with laughter! A legalistic hypocrite calling someone else a legalistic hypoecrite! Again, I laugh at you CoG.
You raise up silly points about CoG expanding worldwide, as if it is proof that God’s favor is upon in. Well, what’s the fasting growing religion in the world? Not CoG. It’s still Christianity if you count pure conversions and not growth by birth. I laugh at your ignorance, CoG.
How many members does CoG have in South Korea where they started? I don’t know, but I don’t think it crosses 500 million. How many Christians are there in the world? Over 1 billion. I laugh at your silliness, CoG.
How large is CoG altogether? Does it even reach 1 million? Compare the works of the largest church in South korea: Yoido Full Gospel Church. 750, 000 members and tons and tons of charity and humanitarian work. Comparing the two, which seems to be more favored by God? I’m still laughing at you, CoG.
How many years has CoG had to grow their numbers? Close to 40 now? How many years did it take for the church that was blessed by God to grow in the early days? Very few years. They grew at an explosive rate all around the world. So,what happened to God’s power to spread His teachings? Did He get tired and old and can’t work as fast anymore? What a weak god CoG has! I am still laughing at CoG.
You claim that we never study the bible and that it is our opinion. How many CoG members have doctorates in theology? In contrast, how many Christians study the bible everyday in depth for a living? I still laugh at you, CoG.
How much power does CoG have to heal the sick, raise the dead, heal the lame and heal the blind? Can CoG move in the power of the Holy Spirit to make demons manifest and flee? Compare that to what men and women of God have done, both in and outside of the charismatic circles. Where’s the power of God moving most actively? In Christianity. Cog? Powerless. I’m laughing still, CoG.
You people are ridiculous. Simply full of nonsense, you can’t help but expose your own ignorance and blindness. When people counter your shallow arguments with solid ones, you accuse them of not studying the bible and not believing in God.
Enough is enough. As far as everything is concerned, Christianity does not need a fake Christ named Ang Sahn Hong. Nothing said here will ever convince you CoG members because you are lost in your blindness and deception and you simply do not want to critically examine your beliefs. Away with you, liars and deceivers! I shall no longer entertain your comments on this page.
Christianity = 10,000,000,000,000,000 +++
CoG = 0
Christianity pwns CoG anytime!
By: Jamie on April 16, 2008
at 9:46 pm
phew… I dont seem like to read the post… all of you’re insulting each other… the aura of this forum is so uncomfortable… seems like MASSAAL ATTACK…. Why should all of you jeer each others and make proud of your church? and btw my questions have never been answered until now… thank you for that…
Now I’m believing in God, and I think I do the right things, which are written in 10 commandment… is that enough? Honestly I dont like the way that CoG members treat others.. why should insult?
I believe in Jesus and I dont know about Ahn Sang Hong… and I want to ask one thing…
why Ahn Sang Hong predicted that second coming Jesus will come in 1988?
Thank you before…
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 16, 2008
at 9:57 pm
almost 2 months I studied bible in CoG Singapore… and I KNOW ALL about your argument above… about PassOver, Mother, … , worldcup 2002, etc… then there are alot of questions that are hanging.. I want to ask you all CoG members here… but no repond from you all? why? my question is so difficult meh?
this post is only to remind you to answer my question…
Thank you again
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 16, 2008
at 10:14 pm
All I see are “Interpretations” Bible passages here…
Brofromizon and anyone else. You gave me your answer on how WMS figured Ahnsahnhong was the 2nd coming…however…
Can you explain to me how the World Mission Society explains Ahnsahnhong’s prophecies of 1967 and 1988?
My other Question is Did Ahnshanhong actually tell his followers that his spiritual wife was Mother Jerusalem or did she and other’s proclaim that after his death in 1985?
By: Jason on April 17, 2008
at 12:41 am
T o Brofromzion. Well arn’t you the bees knees. Yo didn’t address my points did you. You just suggested I can’t understand the bible, only you can. Personal opinion? I sound like the Pharisees? Give me a break.
And the bible passage you quote. What does that mean? You haven’t addressed the points. You just turn to your small narrow list of beliefs and call everyone else mistaken. You have to understand I don’t comment for your sake. You are lost to logic and understanding. You hang your hat on a small narrow list of beliefs that someone told you would save your soul And of course, you want your soul saved. Who doesn’t. But Jesus decides who gets to heaven, not a list of instructions you have drawn up from reading the bible. There are meanings lost on you. The new testament means a new arrangement. A new agreement. a new deal. You continue to quote the old testament bringing up old arrangements that Jesus superseeded. He can because it is his right to do so. He reaffirmed what he wanted followed and dismissed those he didn’t. He died on the cross to bring God of the jews to God of the world. I never hear COG people speak of these other matters. Only their little list that they follow.
For those reading this who are wondering who is right. Read the bible yourself, without using it like a law book, quoting this part and this part to show this or that. It can speak to your heart and guide you. That is it’s role.
By: Bruce on April 17, 2008
at 2:27 am
hello all??
Can you SEE and READ my posting?? I’m always not getting responses… Are my question meaningless?
I want to let you know my posting are on April 15, 2008 at 10:09 am and on April 16, 2008 at 9:57 pm… please scroll your mouse up to find it and answer it… -_-”
Thank you… GodBless~
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 17, 2008
at 10:39 am
I have a hard time seeing the Bible, or any holy book, as “Reliable”, in general. To illustrate the point, I would like to point out some similarities between the Bible and the ancient Egyptian beliefs (being the oldest civilization we have found so far…Sumerian’s, Indians and Chinese civ’s debatable – all roughly 3,000 BC – maybe more?)
1. Horus, the Son of God, Immaculately conceived by the Virgin Mother Isis on Dec. 25th. Heralded by the eastern star and adored by 3 kings. As a child he was a prodigal teacher and at the age of 30 was baptized by Anup and thus began his ministry. Later Horus was crucified, killed and buried and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into the heavens. (sound familiar?) There are a lot more similarities between Horus and Jesus and Isis and Mary that I will not bore you with here. In fact there are dozens, if not 100’s of ancient religions that share these same fundamental traits!
2. Mises – as a child was placed in a reed basket and set down a river to avoid infanticide, rescued and raised as royalty. Later was a prophet and spoken-to on top of a mountain, by god and came down to deliver the 10 laws of man, written on stone tablets, which today is known as spell 125 in the Egyptian book of the dead (sounds familiar also)
3. Egyptian(name forgotten by me right now), God spoke to this man and warned him of a global flood, caused by mans sins, ordered him to build an arc/boat with one door, one window, load it with animals, etc. He Released a dove later on which was the holy spirit..(sound familiar?)
The list of similarities goes on and on for anyone who wishes to study ancient history, religion, and mythology – we don’t learn these things in Sunday/Saturday school though…
My Question: How do Christians, in general, let alone WMS members explain these things?
It is hard for me to know these things and not feel that the Bible is direct plagiarism of religions and myths that existed before. However, it doesn’t answer my questions of the messages and lessons to be found in all these religions.
It seems to me that if one studies the history of religion, and not Just the passages of the Bible – you will find that most religions are so more Fundamentally Similar than different.
Isn’t it possible that over time, Extra has been added on? Politically minded men and Religion are a dangerous combination.
Most of us in this world are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other Religion, not by choice – but because we were Taught to Be. Here in America, our whole social framework is Religious, whether we have ever stepped inside a church or not. We see religious leaders as authority figures above all else – We’re conditioned to.
I tend to feel that if we could spend more time Studying the Similarities of World Religions – Rather than the Differences… We might start to make Real Spiritual Progress.
Furthermore, nothing short of a “Supernatural” event can Truly Prove anything.
That’s why the word “Faith” was invented – right?
By: Jason on April 17, 2008
at 11:15 am
God bless you Jason. I, myself, I member of World Mission Society Church of God believes and follows only God through the Bible as absolute for salvation. To your above comment, I just wanna ask, if you have enough information. Is the Egyptian book of the dead have real similar to Old and New Testament of the Bible? I’d like to know. But as of now, I will only following Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ as prophecied in the Bible.
Isaiah 34:16 [Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together.]
Clearly, Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, will gather God’s people for salvation.
Revelation 3:12 [“Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.”]
Revelation 2:17 [“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a
white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.”]
Revelation 22:13 [I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.]
God the Father Jehovah, God the Son Jesus, God the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong, Trinity in One as God. God bless you Jason.
By: brofromzion on April 17, 2008
at 4:04 pm
Jason, are you sure? Ra was the Sun god. Horus the Sky god, born of Osiris and Isis, both gods. December 25th is a christian date given to celebrate Jesus’s birth. It wasn’t even a guess at when he was really born. No one knows when he was born. The bible just doesn’t say. You say dozens if not 100s of similar facts. You sure? sounds like something easy to say.
I think you have been sold something like snake oil.
As for the flood. If you follow the bible, everyone died in the flood except for Noah and his family. Since they were the only ones to have survived, the world must have been repopulated by them, and so their story would have been passed down for generations. When the tower of babel was being built, some time after the flood, and no time line is given, by the ancestors of Noah, God confused the population by givening them different languages. Everyone went off with their language. Prehaps one of those languages was egyptian, and your story you mention refers to the actual same flood of Noah. See, there are other explanations.
People make their own way in this world. You get to 12-13 yrs old and you start sorting out what you believe, or accept. That is the right of adulthood to accept or reject religious teaching. I don’t accept people are just born to a label and stay there. You make a concious choice at some level, to stay or go.
I agree with your comment about politically motivated people and religon can be a dangerous combination. As for the other stuff, I wouldn’t be so quick to swallow it.
People, scientists, historians, will fill in the gaps to make their research look good.
If we study the religons you mentioned, we find Jews are basically Old Testament Followers, Christians New Testament Followers. Budah and Hindu do not believe in God. Islam follow a prophet that denies Christ as the Son of God. So, no the various religions are not similar at all. The major ones are fundamentaly incompatible. This doesn’t mean we have to spend our days fighting and killing each other. We can follow our own callings to whatever ends they bring us. But I wouldn’t agree with dressing up some old egyptian and greek gods stories to look like the Christians just borrowed old legends to claim as their own.
By: Bruce on April 17, 2008
at 5:40 pm
God bless you Bruce. So do you really wanna hear the word of God or you already made up your mind because I am a member of World Mission Society Church of God and I am just making up what the Bible says?
Matthew 5:17-20 [Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.]
Is it clear to you? Jesus didn’t abolished the Law, but He fulfill them. Did Jesus abolished the Passover?
Matthew 26:18-19 [He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ “So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.]
Matthew 26:26-28 [While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.]
What about Sabbath Day?
Luke 4:16 [He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was HIS CUSTOM. And he stood up to read.]
Clearly. Jesus kept God’s law to set us the example. So tell me Bruce, should we keep God’s law or don’t follow it? Do you even know where God’s law will go out on the last days? It is prophecied in the Bible.
Micah 4:1-2 [In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it. Many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.]
Christ Ahnsahnghong, who came from Zion where all God’s feast, laws, customs, and wills are kept reminded us of all Jesus taught us just a prophecied in the Bible. I hope that your spiritual ears hears what the Spirit(Ahnsahnghong) says to the churches and we can become brothers of Jesus. God bless you.
By: brofromzion on April 17, 2008
at 6:13 pm
Brofromzion you missed my point. No, I didn’t say he abolished the sabbath. He told us to use our common sense about it. No he didn’t abolish the passover ( Catholics celebrate it as well, but you might not know that) but clearly he was bringing something new to the table. Do you not see that? Try re reading it.
As for you Ahnsaghong – where are the bible teachings of him? His name mentioned? Prophet?
As long as you preach a new Christ – Ahnsahnghong, then we can’t be brothers. And you still haven’t explained where God outlawed Christmas -birthdays in general – or Easter.
And to the person out there reading this – a message for you. Just leave. You owe them nothing. Your family will support you. Change your name and hide from them. you will get your chance soon, in a crowd. Just walk away.
And to you Brofromzion – goodbye. Chatting was fun, but you are deluded. next time I am in church I will light a candle for you.
By: Bruce on April 17, 2008
at 6:47 pm
When the second coming happens I hope that he or she atleast knows that they are the second coming of Christ and people don’t just say that after they die. If not I have a feeling we are in for a whole lot more Ahnsahnghong’s
By: ramblinrose on April 18, 2008
at 3:25 pm
Hi everyone. God bless you all. I see lots of people are asking about Ahnsahnghong’s prediction that He’s coming back in 1988 and He did not. Through the Bible, we can find out why.
John 5:17-18 [Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.]
In this verse, Jesus healed the invalid man that was lying for 38 years and Jews tried to kill Him because they said He was breaking the Sabbath and making Himself equal to God. So many of you wondering, did Jesus abolished it now because of this? I don’t think so.
Matthew 12:8 [For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.]
Luke 6:5 [Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”]
Luke 4:16 [He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was HIS CUSTOM. And he stood up to read.]
Matthew 5:17-20 [Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.]
Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Who are we to question what Christ does and say? Who can Judge God? Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong is Testified in the Bible.
2,000 years ago, Jesus Christ came for the forgiveness of sins but many people rejected him, failing to know God through the Bible instead of their using their own fixed concepts. We cannot expect anything from God but instead we should try to understand God’s will through the Bible. Through the Bible we can see more confirmation concerning our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Luke 12:49 [ “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!”]
At this time Jesus Christ was already baptized by John the Baptist, how can he be baptized twice? This is testimony that Jesus gave about his second coming, let’s confirm.
Luke 18:8 [ “I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”]
Jesus Christ says “when the Son of Man comes” but how can he say this while he was already on the earth talking to the disciples? Jesus was clearly talking about the future when he comes a second time.
Romans 10:14 [ “How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? and how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?”]
Romans 10:17 [ “Consequently faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.”]
Even though we have never heard the name Christ Ahnsahnghong, the only way to believe in him is through the Bible. The Bible offers ample testimony on how to recognize Christ. Now we have no problems accepting the name Jesus but let’s see about the people who lived during the time of Jesus.
John 5:39 [ “You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.”]
Many people rejected Jesus, even those who studied the Bible refused to accept Jesus Christ. Jesus even testified that he will be rejected when he returns
John 14:16 [ “And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever– the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him.]
Hebrews 9:28 [“so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”]
Second Coming Christ will come to bring salvation but he will be rejected in the same way Jesus was rejected. Christ Ahnsahnghong brought us salvation through the Passover and all of the Feasts of God. However, many people will reject Christ Ahnsahnghong even though they study the Bible because they fail to understand God’s will instead of their own fixed concepts. I hope that through this post, our brother’s and sister’s will think twice before judging anything before taking the time to learn God’s will through the Bible. The mistake that the Pharisees is they did not look in the Scripture about the prophecy of the First Coming of Christ. So please let’s keep the Bible as absolute and searching it careful so we don’t make the same mistake like the Pharisees 2000 years ago. May all thanks be to Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 18, 2008
at 4:43 pm
Another FAIL post. Again, he gives no answer. He only says things like “Who are we to question God?”
Obviously your god FAILED big time. You even admitted that Ang Sahn Hong was wrong about the prophecy. SO totally unlike the real Jesus.
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 18, 2008
at 6:49 pm
Prophecy is the reason why we believe in the Bible, Jamie. Today people only believe something when they see it. but how about telling something before it happens, that is what the Bible does.
Jn 14:29[I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.]
Second coming Christ is prophesied to come to this earth, and many prophecies about this event have been left in the scriptures. Now before we could discuss about how Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled these prophesies some bases have to be laid out.
2 Pt 1:20 [Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation]
No prophecy of the Bible needs to be interpreted by anyone, As Christians we are told not to give our opinion on any prophetic symbol in the word of God, we should let the word of God define itself; our private interpretations are useless.
Is 34:16 {Look in the scroll of the Lord and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate…]
Example, there are 278 verses in the book of Revelation that contain prophetical symbols, and all 278 verses can be found word for word in all the other books of the Bible.
Rev 22:1-2 [The the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations]
Now compare this verse to:
Eze 47:12 [Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear , because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing”]
Same meaning, and just like this each verse of the Bible has a matching verse that will allow you to understand the prophetical meaning of itself. The Bible defines itself perfectly. In this way we could identify who is really saying the truth. See what a person proclaims, then match it up with the Bible to see if what they claim goes with what the Bible says, if it doesn’t, you could reveal the lie.
In his book “Science Speaks”, scientist Peter Stoner says: “:If there was only 8 prophecies in the whole Christian Bible, the chances of one man fulfilling all those prophesies is 1 in 10(17th). “That would be one in 100,000,000,000,000,000.”
Later on Mr. Stoner gives an illustration of how big this chance is:
Picture the whole state of Texas(263,000 square miles), covered two feet deep with dimes, now paint one of the coins red and throw it in the pile. now blindfold a man, and set him in any place of Texas, tell him that he could travel wherever he wants for however time he needs, and that his only task is to pick up only one coin, and it must be the red one that he picks up, and that he needs to be 100% accurate only on the first try. It would be easier for that man to do that, than for 8 prophecies of the Bible to be fulfilled in one man. that is how true and awesome Bible prophecy is.
Well just to name a few prophecies that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled we could find: King David, Melchizedek, Last Adam, Who established Zion, Fig tree Lesson, About the East, Tree of Life, Root of David. and many more.
John 5:39 [ “You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.”]
God bless you Jamie.
By: brofromzion on April 18, 2008
at 8:49 pm
Prophecy is also why Ang Sahn Hong is a fake. He FAILED. Jesus NEVER FAILED.
CoG = FAIL
Besides, my grandparents also fulfilled the prophecy of Melchizedek by your twisted interpretation. Does that make my father the second coming Christ as well?
LOL@CoG. So much FAIL in this cult, it’s hilarious!
By: Jamie on April 18, 2008
at 9:38 pm
God bless you Jamie. Seems to me that your not reading your Bible carefully. All these prophecies that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled in the Bible for the Second Coming of Christ and yet you still chastize Him because of that. Well I hope that someday, you’ll be able to receive the Seal of God just before the four winds on the four corners of the earth be release according to the prophecy in the Bible so that you may escape the disaster. All I could say is I respect your faith. Remember, I am just preaching the word of God according to the Bible and THE BIBLE ONLY and we must all love one another according to Jesus Christ.
Matthew 28:19 [Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.]
1 Corinthians 9:16-18 [Yet when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.]
John 13:34-35 [“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”]
God bless you Jamie.
By: brofromzion on April 18, 2008
at 10:08 pm
Your response is another big fat FAIL.
ROFL.
You just don’t get it do you? Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL the prophechies, AND whatever He said would come to pass, came to pass. The Bible says the Word of God shall never fall away before it is fulfilled.
So what did Ang Sahn Hong do? Being the so-called 2nd Jesus, he gave a prophecy, which, IF he were really Jesus, would have come to pass with 100% certainty. BUT! HE FAILED! WAHAHAHAHAHA.
Therefore, Ang Sahn Hong may apparently fulfill your twisted interpretation of the scriptures, but he can’t be Jesus if he spoke a false prophecy. Jesus would NEVER speak anything unless He heard it from the Father, and NOTHING the Father said would EVER FAIL to come to pass.
So you see, everyone, how the CoG members admit to following a false Jesus? How can Jesus be Jesus if whatever He says doesn’t come to pass?
Also, your eschatology is another FAIL. I am already sealed with the blood of Jesus Christ and my name is already in the book of life. I will be raptured before the great tribulation, so who needs Ang Sahn Hong’s teachings to seal me again? LOL.
CoG = FAIL
brofromzion = Admitted Ang Sahn Hong commited a FAIL
CoG admits Ang Sahn Hong was a FAILURE!
Wahahaha so funny! ROFLMAO!
By: Jamie on April 19, 2008
at 1:37 am
hi brofromzion
you said “I see lots of people are asking about Ahnsahnghong’s prediction that He’s coming back in 1988 and He did not. Through the Bible, we can find out why”.
when Ahn Sang Hong said that he will come back in 1988? Certainly before he’s dead, right? In 1985, he died, and 1988 he will come again. 4 years and comin’ again???
???
Are those prophecied in the Bible?
me getting confused…
then you said he didn’t come??? He fulfilled all the things in the Bible you said but why didnt he fulfill his word itself??? Why should wrong? Honestly, I dont get your answer…
Thank You.. GodBless~
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 19, 2008
at 9:46 am
Many false prophets on this forum. They say they believe in the Bible and Jesus, yet they do not follow his commands.
THE Jesus in the Bible, kept the Sabbath of the New covenant, the Passover of the New Covenant as well as all of GOD’s feasts.
Most Christians, worship A Jesus. They worship a Jesus that kept Sunday, Christmas, Easter, bowed down to statues of saints, etc..
These people know who they are, they are wolves dressed in sheeps clothing. They blaspheme the Holy Spirit and the bride who have come in accordance with the prophecies in the Bible.
You expose your true identity, the more you speak. You accuse the Church of God of heresy while you yourself do not keep the commands of God. Hypocrites!
If you truly believed in Jesus, you would keep his commands rather than man made teachings. Your refuse to keep God’s commands and call it “legalism”. Very sad indeed.
By: marcus on April 19, 2008
at 10:15 am
HI
DONT ALWAYS REPEAT ANOTHER POST… JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION FIRST…
THANKS BEFORE…
NIJUROKU(BAD MOOD)
By: nijuroku on April 19, 2008
at 11:11 am
Some people accuse that the World Mission Society Church of God causes a personal abuse on individuals. if these claims are correct, then Christianity itself causes personal abuse on society. according to the Bible all these claims fit perfectly on the Church of God that Christ established. Let us see.
1. Personality Changes Relatives will say they no longer recognize the person. The cult member sees himself as righteous in comparison and this comes across in their attitude toward all outsiders.
John 15:18-20 [“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.]
2. Loss Of Identity They cannot see themselves as individuals apart from the group. Some even change their name as a rejection of their former life.
(Simon to Peter) Matthew 16:17-18 [Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it]
(Saul to Paul) Acts 22:2-6 [When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet. Then Paul said: “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. Under Gamaliel I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers and was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify. I even obtained letters from them to their brothers in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished. “About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?]
3. Paranoid – We Are Being Persecuted Any time you say anything negative about the group, whether justified or not, it is regarded as persecution. Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution only because they are the true believers or enlightened – not because they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing.
Jn 15:25 [But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.]
2 Tim 3:12 [In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted]
1 Jn 3:13 [Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you]
4. Social Disorientation They gradually lose their ability to socialize outside the group. This can go so far as to not being able to structure their time or make simple decisions for themselves when they leave.Their world-view alters and they perceive the world through their leaders eyes. They become very naive about life in general.
2 Timothy 2:3-4 [Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs-he wants to please his commanding officer.]
1 John 2:15 [Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.]
5. Severe Guilt Complexes They are made to feel guilty of everything they did before entering the group and are to strive to be good and worthy for eternal life. Misdemeanors are made into mountains so that members are in a constant state of guilt for infringing even the most minor rules. Guilt comes because they aren’t doing enough; entertaining doubts or questions; even thinking rationally for oneself.This guilt is piled upon pile with new rules constantly being laid down about what is sinful and what is not. Illness may be seen as lack of faith – more guilt. Emotional illness may be seen as proof of sin in your life – more guilt.
Galatians 1:13-14 [For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.]
Philippians 3:4-7 [though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more:circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless. But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ.]
Romans 7:23-24 [but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?]
Clearly it is seen that these claims were made about the Church of God in the Bible. yet these people went to heaven.. these people were called TRUE CHRISTIANS, and are now praised by the whole Christian world. We cannot judge matters of God and the Bible in a worldly standard. Let us follow God according to the Bible. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 20, 2008
at 5:28 am
mmm… I think those are your own thinking… your own perception… your own conclusion… Bible cant be read in that way… right???
if you do so then you refer to Mark 7:9 [And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”]
btw please cover my question up there thanks…
By: nijuroku on April 20, 2008
at 7:15 am
LOL another FAIL post from a member of FAIL church!
Honestly, I give you one more chance to actually answer nijuroku’s question. Any more non-answers and I will just delete your comments. They’re a waste of time.
CoG STILL = FAIL
WAHAHHAHA
By: Jamie on April 20, 2008
at 3:32 pm
The Church of God cannot be the true church as it observes the sabbath on the day before Sunday, which as we all know is CATURDAY. The holy day of LONGCAT.
By: spotron on April 21, 2008
at 1:05 am
You heretic! Every true believer knows that there is only one (Cat)God, and that is Ceiling Cat, and Happycat is His one and only Son!
Repent or you shall burn in hellfire with Basement Cat!
By: Jamie on April 21, 2008
at 2:24 pm
Church of God is a church full of FAIL, and Ang Sahng Hong was a FAILED prophet!
Post edited because it did not answer nijuroku’s question.
By: brofromzion on April 21, 2008
at 3:18 pm
Dear Brofromzion,
Can you tell us a bit about Mother Jerusalem. What is her name? Does she have families? husband, children etc.? How did she get involved in World mission church of god in the first place?
You were talking also about ‘before the end comes’. When is this going to happen exactly?
Thank you in advance for your repsonse i really appreciate it.
By: Donnie on April 21, 2008
at 3:50 pm
God bless you Donnie. Here’s the study about Mother Jerusalem:
The Church of God only follows the teachings of the Bible and believes in the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.
In the Bible, God is referred to through plural terms instead of singular terms, and it is written that God has a male image and a female image. Therefore, God exists in the male image and in the female image.
Have you ever thought about why we call God our Father?
It is written that God’s invisible qualities have been clearly seen and can be understood through what has been made (Rom. 1:20). Is there any creature that is given life through only their father, alone, without a mother being present?
We need to study this matter carefully.
The Bible calls us “the children of promise.”
Gal. 4:28 『Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.』
Then, what promise did God make to those who are called the children of promise? God promised them eternal life.
1 John 2:25 『And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.』
How is eternal life given to us? The Bible says that all things were created by God’s will (Rev. 4:11). Among all of the many creatures that God has created, let us focus on the mothers. Since it is written that God created all things by His will, a certain will of God was expressed when He created mothers on this earth. As you know, all creatures have a mother figure. There is not a single creature that can come into existence without a mother.
Our physical life is given to us through our physical mother. For 280 days, a baby’s hands, feet, eyes and ears form within his mother’s womb. When the time comes, the mother will give birth to her child, shedding blood. We are given life through our mother’s great pain. How about our spiritual life? Just as our physical life was given to us through our physical mother, our spiritual life is given to us through our spiritual Mother.
The Bible clearly testifies that our heavenly Mother exists, and that only our heavenly Mother can give us eternal life.
Let us study through the Bible to discover the existence of our spiritual Mother.
Gen. 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness…” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
The above verse states that God has two images—a male image and a female image. Until now, we have only known and called upon the male image of God: “Father.” Then how should we call upon the female image of God? Logically, we should refer to God’s female image as “Mother.” This is why God had said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.”
The word “us” is a plural term. “Elohim,” the Hebrew word used in place of “God” in Genesis 1:26, directly translates to “Gods,” the plural form of the word “God.” Therefore, the references to “us” in the book of Genesis refer to God the Father and God the Mother. Some say that the word “us” in this verse indicates God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. If this argument is correct, there should be three types of people in the world—those who were made in the image of God the Father, those who resemble the image of God the Son, and those created in the image of the Holy Spirit. However, on this earth there are only two types of people: men and women. However, the “Gods” mentioned in Genesis 1:26 are the male image of God and the female image of God—God the Father and God the Mother.
Let us study more truth regarding the heavenly Mother through the character Adam, written in the book of Romans.
Rom. 5:14 『…Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.』
Since the book of Romans was written after Jesus had already ascended, the “one to come” mentioned in the above verse indicates the Second Coming Jesus. Adam was created to lead us to the Second Coming Jesus. Then, what was God’s will in creating Eve, Adam’s wife?
Gen. 2:21 『So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.』
Gen. 3:20 『Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.』
The name “Eve” means “life.” Eve was called “the mother of all the living.” God’s intent in creating Adam was to reveal the Second Coming Jesus, our heavenly Father, and Eve was created to reveal the Second Coming Jesus’ wife, our heavenly Mother. In other words, just as Eve was called “the mother of all the living,” we can only be given eternal life through our heavenly Mother. Eve represents our heavenly Mother.
Two thousand years ago, Jesus said, repeatedly, that He would wait until the last day to raise up all of the people who came to Him (John 6:39, 40, 44. 54). Why did Jesus need to wait until the last day to save His people? What was He waiting for? The account of the six-day Creation—in the book of Genesis, chapter one—represents the spiritual Creation which would take place over six thousand years. Just as the six-day Creation ended after Eve had appeared, so would the six-thousand year spiritual Creation end with the appearance of our spiritual Mother. Jesus could have given His people life during His first coming; however, Jesus waited for the appearance of the heavenly Mother because life would be given through Her.
Let’s study some of the testimonies about Mother written in the book of Revelation.
Rev. 19:7 『Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.』
The book of Revelation was written after Jesus had ascended, and it prophesied about the things that were to happen in the last days. Thus, “the Lamb” mentioned in the above verse indicates the Second Coming Jesus: Ahnsahnghong. When Jesus came to the earth for the first time, two thousand years ago, His wife was not yet ready. The Bride, the wife of the Lamb, would appear in the last days.
In the book of Revelation, chapter 21, the Bride—the wife of the Lamb—is described as “Jerusalem.”
Rev. 21:9-10 『…One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he…showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.』
Apostle Paul testified that this Holy City, Jerusalem, which would come down out of heaven, is our Mother.
Gal. 4:26 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
Apostle Paul testified that we are the children of promise, the children of the free woman, because we have been given the promise of eternal life from our heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:28 『Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.』
Gal. 4:31 『Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
If we are the children of the free woman, what should we call Her? We should call Her our “Mother.”
We cannot have eternal life unless we receive the heavenly Mother. Eternal life, which God has promised us, is given through the heavenly Mother.
In this last age, we need our Jerusalem Mother who has been established by Christ Ahnsahnghong—the Second Coming Jesus. Let us believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and in Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, so that we can receive eternal life.
By: brofromzion on April 21, 2008
at 5:50 pm
God bless you Donnie. You ask about when the end will come. Through the Bible, the end will come when the Seal of God, the Passover is receive by God’s chosen people, those He predestined before the creation of the world.
Ephesians 1:3-14 [Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.]
Salvation is given in the name of the Father, Jehovah in the age of the Father, Jesus Christ in the age of the Son and now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit. We must believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.
Revelation 22:17 [The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.]
Now, there are so many disasters everywhere in the world: wars between nations, ethnic conflicts, terrors, famines, earthquakes, and deadly cold or heat or flood caused by changes in weather patterns. Whenever such things occur, people tremble with fear, not knowing who or what they should set their hearts on.
The Bible already prophesied about the coming disasters and what people would do in the day of such disasters.
Am 9:2-9 『Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, … Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, … Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, …』
As described in the above prophecy, people desperately try to hide themselves anywhere, because they come to face terrible disasters which men cannot endure. The above prophecy is not about what happened in the days of Amos the prophet about 2,800 years ago, but what will occur in the great and dreadful day of the LORD, at the Last Judgment.
Men cannot escape the last plagues by their own methods
Modern people, who live in the age of the high-tech science, feel fear about the coming disasters and the end of mankind, and they try to find various ways to escape from the disasters. They make every effort to find refuge underground or at the bottom of the sea or on a planet outside the earth so that they may escape the threat of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating all life on earth many times over. An atomic submarine for hiding themselves at the bottom of the sea, a spaceship for climbing up to the heavens, …, such various methods are being discussed. According to a press report, America has constructed a large bunker beneath the White House at Mount Weather; and there is said to be ninety-nine underground cities in various places, as a provision for emergency.
However, the Bible clearly says that even by using the modern scientific methods, no one can escape God’s fierce anger. It also says that the last disaster will come upon all the earth, not just upon parts of it.
Lk 21:35 『For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 』
Isa 24:3-13 『The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. … So will it be on the earth and among the nations, …』
Now, let’s see how the disaster comes upon every nation all over the world.
2 Pe 3:7-10 『By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. … But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.』
The Bible says that God will use fire for His judgment. So the disaster, which will come upon the whole world, is fire. When the day comes, the heavens will be destroyed by fire and all things will be burnt up and melt in the heat. The day will be a day of distress; even the warriors will tremble with fear and cry out bitterly.
However, God has prepared a way to escape the disaster when such dreadful day comes. He has made the way―the good news of salvation―known to us. We can get it only through the Bible, not through any high-tech equipment developed by scientists.
Passover is the way to escape the disaster
Let’s take a careful look at God’s word of promise to let us escape any disaster.
Ex 12:11-14 『”… it is the LORD’s Passover. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn―both men and animals … The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. …”』
At the time of the Exodus, when the plague of destroying every firstborn was brought upon Egypt, no plague befell to the Israeli houses which kept the Passover. In other words, the plague passed over them. Thus, Passover (pascha in Greek, pesach in Hebrew) implies “Plagues pass over.”
Such a history was written as a warning for us. Faithless Israel didn’t believe in the power of the Passover. However, Judah regarded the Passover as important and celebrated it. Through the history of Israel and of Judah, we come to realize how truly important the Passover is.
Hezekiah king of Judah read all the words of the covenant, which had been found in the temple of the LORD when it was being repaired and restored. He realized the covenant of God and sent couriers to all Judah and Israel so that they might celebrate the Passover which had not been kept for a long time. When the couriers delivered the king’s command to “come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover,” Israel scorned and ridiculed them, and several years later it fell to Assyria (2 Ki 18:9-12). However, Judah celebrated the Passover holy and could repulse the attack of powerful Assyria with God’s mighty power (2 Ch 30:1-27; 2 Ki 18:13-19:37).
In these last days, there are two groups of people: one group who will receive terrible plagues, and the other who will escape them with God’s help.
Rev 7:1-4 『After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth … another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. … “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”』
The only way to escape the last plagues is to receive the seal of God. Then, what is the seal of God? The Bible prophesies that the blood of the Passover lamb will be a sign for God’s people so that they may escape the last plagues. In other words, the blood of the Passover lamb is ‘the seal of God’ through which God’s people can be saved.
At the time of the Exodus, the Israelites could be saved from the terrible plague of destroying every firstborn, by putting the blood of a year-old Passover lamb on their door posts and eating the meat. The Passover lamb of the Old Testament represents Jesus.
1 Co 5:7-8 『… For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, …』
No one can escape the last plagues without ‘the blood of Jesus Christ’ who is the Passover Lamb.
When the angels, who are given power to harm, let go of their hold on the wind [war], the terrible disasters [the last plagues] will come upon this earth (Rev 7:1-3). To make the last plagues pass over His people, God places His ‘seal’ on His children’s foreheads. The ‘seal of God’ is the seal of salvation through which God’s people can escape the disasters.
Eze 9:4-6 『and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it. … Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.』
Whom did God order the destroying angels to begin with? He told them to begin with the elders [leaders] of the false churches, who do not have the mark―the seal of God, the blood of the Passover Lamb―on their foreheads.
Considering the prophecies of the Bible, we are now living in the days of the last plagues. God is awakening us, His children, to the fact that we can escape the plagues only through the ‘seal of God.’ He shows us that His sealing work will arise from the east and spread to the west.
Rev 7:2 『Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God.』
When Apostle John received the revelation on the island of Patmos, he saw an angel ascending from the rising of the sun. This implies that God’s sealing work is to begin in the east.
God seals us as His own children
When we celebrate the Passover, God abides in us, and we in Him (Jn 6:56; 15:4-8). As we dwell in God, we belong to Him.
2 Co 1:21-22 『Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He … set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.』
God has set His seal on us to be marked as ‘His own.’ Let’s see what blessings God gives us, His own.
Isa 43:1-3 『O Jacob, …: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. … When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. …”』
God has made us His own by putting His seal on us through the Passover. He has firmly promised to protect us from any destructive disasters. God is now calling His children, living in the days of disasters, to celebrate the Passover and escape the last plagues.
Before the angels, who are holding back the four winds, let go of their hold, we should preach the Passover of the new covenant―the seal of God―to the whole world, as the couriers of the good news of salvation.
Brothers and sisters in Zion! Let’s give thanks to God for making us His very own, His treasured possession. We must all take part in God’s salvation work in this age. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 21, 2008
at 6:03 pm
“In the Bible, God is referred to through plural terms instead of singular terms, and it is written that God has a male image and a female image. Therefore, God exists in the male image and in the female image.”
How stupid can you be brofromzion? Do you think GODS reproduce sexually, male with female, like ANIMALS? Do you think every human being on this earth was popped out of Mother’s womb?
Every single damn academic on this planet can tell you that Elohim is never a collective noun. That the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is clear in Genesis 1:29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun ‘I’. What kind of fruitcake Korean bibles do you use? Take your theory to any professor or theologian and learn some damn Hebrew.
By: Ben on April 21, 2008
at 6:42 pm
God bless you Ben. So you think that I’m stupid because I believe in Jerusalem Mother. Here on earth, a family has father, mother and children. Why don’t we study the Bible to see how Heavenly Family and Earthly Family exist?
Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.』
All of the earthly systems are a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven. The family system is the same. Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us the existence of the heavenly Mother by teaching us about the heavenly family system through the earthly family system.
Everything within the spiritual world is reflected on this earth. In other words, everything on the earth is a shadow, and the things in heaven are the realities of what is on earth.
God established the earthly family system to show us that there is also a family system in heaven. The reason why God made every family on the earth has a father, a mother, and children was to reveal that in heaven, as well, there is a Father, a Mother, and children. God’s providence is to let us know that there exists a God the Mother in heaven, as well as a God the Father.
Do you want to be a part of the heavenly family? Let us find out how we can be members of the heavenly family.
What are you reminded of when you hear the word “family”? Don’t you think of a “house”? Jesus also mentioned a “house” many times in the Bible.
John 14:1-3 『”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place [house] for you. And if I go and prepare a place [house] for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.』
Jesus said that the Father’s house surely exists. As of now, the house has been prepared. Then, who will be the members of this house? The family system described in the Bible is paternalistic. As you can see through your physical family, the first, main member of the house is the father. Therefore, if there is a father in the families on the earth, there must also be a Father in heaven.
Let us find out if we have a Father in heaven.
Heb. 12:9 『Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!』
Matt. 6:9 『”This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name…’ “』
The God in heaven is our God the Father. Just as we have a physical father on this earth, we have a spiritual Father in heaven. He is God the Father, Ahnsahnghong.
Who comes to mind next when we think of a family? Most people will think of a “mother.” But before we consider “mother,” we have to think about what kind of person can be called a “father.” No one can be called “father” unless he has a child. No mater how old a man is, if he has had no children, who would call him “father”? The title “father” is only used by children.
Therefore, a family must have children. Let us find out if our heavenly Father has children.
Matt. 12:46 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Here, we can find the words “brothers” and “sisters.” Just as we have physical brothers and sisters, we have spiritual brothers and sisters. God’s children, who call upon the God in heaven as “Father,” must follow the will of the heavenly Father. In the Church of God, the children of the heavenly Father keep the Sabbath, the Passover, and all of the other truths, according to the will of the Father in heaven. The Church of God follows the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and we are brothers and sisters.
We have studied that there exist a God the Father, and His children, in the heavenly family. Then, who is left? It’s Mother.
Gal. 4:25-26 『Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.
So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.
What connects a family together? It’s blood. Just as physical children inherit their father and mother’s flesh and blood, the spiritual children inherit the spiritual Father and Mother’s flesh and blood. If the physical family is connected by physical blood, then the heavenly family is connected by heavenly blood, because what is on earth is a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven.
John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
Jesus fed his people with His flesh and blood, so the heavenly Father and Mother’s blood and flesh are now in us. Only God has eternal life. The flesh and blood of God—who gives eternal life—has been given to us, God’s children. Thus, we have become eternal beings and we are able to call upon God, “Abba, Father!”
Then, through what truth can we receive the right to become God’s children? How can we inherit the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father?
Matt. 26:17-19 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.』
Matt. 26:26-28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
As shown above, the Passover bread is Jesus’ body, His flesh, and the Passover wine is Jesus’ blood. By eating and drinking the bread and wine of the Passover, we can receive God’s flesh and blood and become God’s children.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who brought the Passover in this last age. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our spiritual Father who brought us the Passover, which spiritually connects us with God. Our spiritual Mother is the true God who gives us birth and brings us up.
Don’t you want to be a member of the spiritual family? Let us all become God’s children, receiving the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and our heavenly Mother through the Passover of the new covenant, so that we can inherit the kingdom of God. God bless you.
By: brofromzion on April 21, 2008
at 7:16 pm
God bless you all. To those who don’t believe in the existence of Jerusalem Mother, our Heavenly Mother, here’s more proof.
The word “Elohim” directly translates to “Gods.” The Bible testifies that God exists in the female image, God the Mother, as well as the male image, God the Father.
World Mission Society Church of God has received Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong, God the Father, and the heavenly Jerusalem, God the Mother.
When people hear the word “God,” most immediately think of “God the Father,” holding to the fixed idea that only God the Father exists; however, the Bible clearly testifies that there is a God the Mother in addition to a God the Father. We sincerely hope that you can break your fixed, man-made ideas so that you can receive the true Saviors: Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.
Then, let us discover why the members of the Church of God accept Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother as their Elohim God.
Let us confirm that there is both a male and a female image of God, through the book of Genesis.
Gen. 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,”…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
Both males and females were created in the image of God, and thus it is clear that God has two images: a male image and a female image. When God said, “Let us make man in our image,” God used the word “us”—a plural term—instead of using “me.” We come to understand that not one God, but two Gods—a Father and a Mother—worked together during the Creation. Such plural terms are used to describe God in Genesis chapter 11, also.
Gen. 11:1-7 『…The LORD said…”Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”』
This verse, too, makes reference to Elohim God, the same God who created male and female (in Genesis chapter 1), saying, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” In Genesis chapter 11, God was responding to the arrogance of the people, who had collectively built the tower of Babel. Through this situation, God testifies that there exists a God the Mother as well as a God the Father by saying, “Let us go down…”
We can confirm the existence of Elohim God through the book of Isaiah as well.
Isa. 6:8 『Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”』
When God was searching for a man to preach His words, God said, “Who will go for us?” instead of saying, “Who will go for me?” This reveals that not only the Father was working, but that there was a Mother who was working as well.
In the book of Jeremiah we can also find references to Elohim God.
Jer. 31:22 『…The LORD will create a new thing on earth—a woman will surround a man.』
God said that He would create a new thing: a woman would surround a man. Spiritually, this verse has a very profound meaning. The woman, Eve, had once been inside the man. If God had not made the woman with the ribs He had taken out of the man, how could the woman have been able to surround the man? The new thing, that God said He would bring to the earth, would be the revealing of Mother, who has been within God the Father since the beginning. The new thing would be created at the time God established the new covenant.
Jer. 31:31-34 『”The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…”I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”』
In the Hebrew Bible, the word “God” is actually written as “Elohim”—”I will be their God [Elohim].” “Elohim” is the plural form of the word “Eloah,” meaning a singular God. Therefore, “Elohim” means “Gods,” plural. Once we can understand the concept of Elohim God through the new covenant, we no longer need men to teach us to know God, because we will all know God, from the least of us to the greatest. In the truth of the new covenant, we can only become the children of God when we have God the Father and God the Mother, our Elohim God.
When Elohim God created male and female, They said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” When Elohim God punished the evil acts of God’s people, They said, “Let us go down.” When the Gods called to Isaiah, They said, “Who will go for us?” Throughout the Bible, God has existed as the male God and the female God: Elohim. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 21, 2008
at 7:31 pm
God bless you Ben. Here’w what you wrote to me:
– Every single damn academic on this planet can tell you that Elohim is never a collective noun. That the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is clear in Genesis 1:29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun ‘I’. What kind of fruitcake Korean bibles do you use? Take your theory to any professor or theologian and LEARN SOME DAMN HEBREW.
Jer. 31:31-34 『”The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…”I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”』
Ben, in the Hebrew Bible, the word “God” is actually written as “Elohim”—”I will be their God [Elohim].” “Elohim” is the plural form of the word “Eloah,” meaning a singular God. Therefore, “Elohim” means “Gods,” plural. Once we can understand the concept of Elohim God through the new covenant, we no longer need men to teach us to know God, because we will all know God, from the least of us to the greatest. In the truth of the new covenant, we can only become the children of God when we have God the Father and God the Mother, our Elohim God. God bless you Ben.
By: brofromzion on April 21, 2008
at 7:51 pm
Fool. You create meanings in ancient Hebrew to suit your own purposes.
Ben, don’t bother trying to use logic and facts to convince them. They only believe whatever their cult leaders tell them and totally disbelieve external sources.
By: Jamie on April 21, 2008
at 9:52 pm
God bless you Jamie. Why don’t we look at our own dictionary of what’s the meaning of Elohim:
Elohim – A name for God in Hebrew Scriptures
[Hebrew ‘ělōhîm, plural of ‘ělōah, god; see l in Semitic roots.]
Ref: American Heritage Dictionary
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Elohim
So tell me Jamie. Did World Mission Society Church of God created this meaning from our own dictionary to fit our doctrines? Also, our founder, Christ Ahnsahnghong is testified as the Second Coming of Jesus Christ because He is prophecied in the Bible.
1 Peter 1:20-21 [Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.]
Is it clear to you? World Mission Society Church of God follows ALL God’s laws, wills, customs, feast and prophecies according to the Scripture or Bible, the Word of God. The reason why you don’t understand the truth of God is because you want to chastize World Mission Society Church of God based on a worldly standard, not through the Bible. Clearly, no one can understand the Bible by using reasons from the wills and traditions of man. We have to based it on the Word of God. God bless you Jamie.
By: brofromzion on April 21, 2008
at 10:25 pm
Oh, CoG didn’t create the meaning, but they did create a story for the word that twisted the original meaning.
You FAIL again. If you want to know the way the word was used in the ancient context, you need to examine how it was used IN THE ANCIENT CONTEXT. Did the Jews EVER refer to more than one YHWH? They never did.
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 21, 2008
at 10:36 pm
God bless you
Dear, nijuroku
hi.
I want for you to study and get answer of your questions in the Zion.
I know and understand your corncerned and curious about many matters.
If you really want to study and get something, Why don’t you drop by Zion which you were studied?
Please think and have objective mind.
Contact with sister or brother of Zion who preached to u at first time.
Nijuroku, Please think about again.
Whoever don’t keeps feasts of God and commandment never return heaven.
Even you can’t believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong right now, You must think about this.
Jamie and other people persecute us without keeping any commandments of God.
God bless you.
I hope for you to study and get answer it from Zion.
By: returnedangel on April 21, 2008
at 11:33 pm
Jamie and others
Elohim is indicates Plural God.
Gods exist and appeared in the Bible often.
Evidently.
There are two image of God, male and female.
Everything in this world, can get a life from physical mother.
Think about Who gave you life?
Mother.
God created everything like this to show us his divine nature.
By: returnedangel on April 21, 2008
at 11:37 pm
You Fail.
You don’t have truth.
By: returnedangel on April 21, 2008
at 11:38 pm
well nijuroko,
Beware!. The Holy spirit shall guide you. Do not go to Zion they call. It is the city of cults where they worship false Gods
The false prophets in the end times” Wolf in sheep clothing”
You will never get an answer to your simple questions so they call you to Zion to give a good brainwash.
To believe in your Gods we need their history. Post the document just as your COG put the court case write up from the Korean Times to prove their innocence
Is it so hard to show who their parents or kids were?
By: John on April 22, 2008
at 3:39 am
God bless you all. Here’s more proof of Jerusalem Mother’s existence. The character Abraham is used to represent God in the Bible. Through the history of Abraham’s family, God has revealed to us how we can inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac was the one who received Abraham’s inheritance. Even though Abraham had another son named Ishmael, born through Hagar, God did not allow Ishmael to receive the inheritance of Abraham. Rather, God bestowed the inheritance upon Isaac, who was born through Sarah. The reason why Isaac was chosen as Abraham’s heir was that Isaac was the son of Sarah, who was free. This history shows us that the heavenly inheritance will be given to those who are born of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that our heavenly Mother does in fact exist and that She is truly the biggest mystery hidden within the Bible.
Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
First of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.
Luke 16:19-31 『”…The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called
to him, ‘Father Abraham…’ “』
As you know, this parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham can be likened to the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.
Then, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir.
There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Gen. 15:1-4 『…But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』
When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.
Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.
Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』
When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three—Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac—Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir.
Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.
In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir—that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.
What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.
Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother—only the children who are born through the new covenant—can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:22-31 『…But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother…Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
In today’s world, there are three types of people: those who are like Eliezer, those like Ishmael, and those who are like Isaac. The first type of people, who are like Eliezer, are atheists, who do not believe in Father God or in Mother God. The second type of people, who are like Ishmael, are those who believe in Father God, but do not believe in Mother God. The third type of people, who are like Isaac, are those who believe in Mother God as well as Father God. According to the history of Abraham’s family, which one of these three types can become an heir of the kingdom of heaven? Only the third type of people, who are like Isaac, can be recognized as God’s heirs. There is no doubt about it.
Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.
God said, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). What kind of knowledge is God referring to in this verse? We must recognize that we have a God the Mother, as well as a God the Father. We must accept Elohim God. Also, we must firmly believe that God is our Mother, who gives us salvation alongside our Father. Only after we come to realize this can we say that we have the knowledge of God, and that we will not be those who are destroyed from a “lack of knowledge.”
The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 22, 2008
at 4:47 am
Dear Brofromzion, Thank you for your reply, but you really did not answer my questions. I really ask very simple things below:
Can you tell us a bit about Mother Jerusalem. What is her name? Does she have families? husband, children etc.? How did she get involved in World mission church of god in the first place?
You were talking also about ‘before the end comes’. When is this going to happen exactly?
By: Donnie on April 22, 2008
at 7:17 am
Yes returnedangel, I agree. CoG doesn’t have truth, and it FAILS.
In fact, you FAIL too! There are more holes in your theology than a tea strainer. Anyway, you say that me and others persecute you. Hahaha. Liar. If you want me to persecute you, then come drop me a line in Singapore and I will bring a whip, torture instruments and salt to really persecute you.
What wimps! Consider the apostles who were TRUELY persecuted, or the thousands of non-CoG Christians who are tortured or perish for their faith in Jesus Christ. I disagree with your arguments and you cannot answer me, and you claim you are being persecuted? Pansies, the whole lot of you. Again, consider the apostles who built the first church! The book of Acts says that those who argued with them could not withstand their wisdom! If CoG really had true statements and arguments, then God should be on your side and none of us would be able to withstand your wisdom.
Yet this is not the case. Therefore, God is not with CoG members who are deceived by the god of this world into Anti-Christ beliefs.
brofromzion, unless you tell me how you can follow a man who FAILED to give a TRUE PROPHECY and yet is supposed to perfection incarnate, I will delete all your future comments. You yourself admitted that Ang Sahn Hong FAILED when he predicted the date of the second coming of Christ? Didn’t you know that the bible orders those whose prophecies fail to come to pass to be put to death? Shouldn’t you have put Ang Sahn Hong to the death instead of following him? You claim to be the only ones who follow God’s Word, but this is PROOF that you neither know the Word of God nor follow it.
Ludicrous! Perfection can never fail, yet their idea of a perfect man FAILED BIG TIME. HHAHAAHAH.
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 22, 2008
at 2:59 pm
Hi returnedangel,
thanks for your suggestion…
and yes, you right , now I really dont believe with Ahn Sang Hong’something…
Donnie, according to them Mother Jerusalem’s name is Zahng Gil Jah, and she is Ahn Sang Hong’s wife.. I dont know how she ge involved in CoG WMS…
try to look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God
and one thing… why doesn’t Zahng Gil Jah go preaching around the world?? spreading God’s word??
GodBless~
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 22, 2008
at 3:41 pm
Another FAIL post.
CoG = FAIL
By: brofromzion on April 22, 2008
at 5:58 pm
LOL returned angel, how come none of the CoG members can do anything to answer nijuroku’s question? Is there only wisdom in that so called Zion? If that is so, that speaks volumes! If God is stuck in only one place and can’t even give wisdom to His supposed followers, why, what a weakling you serve!
What a stupid, useless and fake god that god is!
CoG = FAIL
CoG’s god = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 22, 2008
at 6:06 pm
Okay Brofromzion
When Jesus appeared Thomas was not with them and he said to the disciples “Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands and put my finger in his side, I will not believe”
To which you may comment the words Jesus spoke “How happy are those who believe without seeing me!’
Now your God was here the second time and yet no one seen him as a second coming Jesus. The revelation says every eye will see the glorious return of jesus. But no such great event happened.
Infact Ahnsahnghong settles down in a cave with this little pastor boy cheol and plays mischief with the bible. How nice!. Commits adultery and after his death we have a mother God who is enjoying the fruit of his labor. No wonder anyone who is divorced and ends up in this church seem to remarry the brother or sister of Zion. Mother Jerusalen runs a marriage bureau too.
We have true parents a similar thing in the moonie cult.
According to you God will appear the (third time)?
With glasses or contact lens??? HMM!
By: Jonah on April 22, 2008
at 8:04 pm
Jamie
Calm Down!!
You looks like an rough and rage woman.
You even don’t know about the meaning of Elohim.
Elohim God evidently exist .
Who give you life, physically?
Only Father??
No.
Never.
Your mother gave you directly.
Why God created Mother as a main life giver, not the father?
To show and prove the existence of Heavenly Mother.
You may call sister or brother in your church.
You are liar.
Because There is no Heavenly Mother in your church.
So You can’t be the children of God.
And You must not use the word, sister or brother anymore.
Look everything in this world.
Don’t Pay attention to physical things of God.
You just like with Jews in 2000 years ago.
You commented,
Christian exist so many in this world.
But Christian believe in God who appear as human 2000 years ago.
Think.
Jesus was Man,human with flesh and blood.
His disciples believed in him as God through Bible.
But others not.
You looks like them,
You have prejudice.
How man can be a man?
But Almighty God can be a man.
Even God’s creature, You became a man.
Do throw your illusion now.
By: returnedangel on April 22, 2008
at 11:33 pm
nijuroku,
I’m sorry to see your condition now.
I really and Heavenly Mother and Father want for you study and think again now.
Don’t argue here , and ask.
This site is made for the purpose of abusing Church of God.
You have to possess the objective mind.
This homepage belongs to the unbeliever of God.
They don’t know even basic truth and don’t keep anything.
They plused man’s teaching and thinking.
http://usa.watv.org
By: returnedangel on April 22, 2008
at 11:37 pm
Hi returnedangel. Your absolutely right. Jamie created this site to chastize our Heavenly Father and Mother. The thing that I don’t really like what Jamie’s doing is deleting and editing comments. Isn’t this suppose to be fair for everyone to say and make comments on what they believe and prove it through the Scripture? Unfortunately, she doesn’t like to hear the truth I put on this site. She makes her own opinion and not looking at God’s word.
LOL another FAIL comment followed by his previous spam message.
By: brofromzion on April 22, 2008
at 11:55 pm
Oh, you guys are not happy about what I’m doing? Firstly, you are all mistaken. Where is it stated that this site is supposed to be fair? It’s my site, so I’ll do what I like to it. Any way, I gave you ample warning to answer my questions and answer nijuroku, but again and again you discourteously ignore them. Thus, punishment is in order.
I’m having a ball of a time ‘persecuting’ you. Hahaha. So funny lah all of you. You neither understand any true theology nor want to critically examine your faith, so why should I be fair to you who never answer questions and continuously post long and irrelevant comments? You think too highly of yourselves.
I don’t need any Ang Sahn Hong, I don’t need any heavenly mother to come about. I was conceived in the mind of God even before I was placed into my mother’s womb, and God placed His spirit into me.
You know, I really pity you people. You have no idea how absolutely repulsive you are making yourselves to people do you? Non-answers, flooding, repeated spams, constant accusations, unvalidated claims, etc. All these really make you unpleasant people. Now, if you were more willing to engage in proper dialogue, I would be fair, but the time for that has passed.
Not happy? Go away then.
By: Jamie on April 23, 2008
at 12:44 am
Hello Brofromzion,
When is the end? Please give me an exact time and date.
If you are sure of when it is, then post please. If you are not sure, then please say that you do not know instead of giving me an answer such as “soon”.
I would greatly appreciate.
By: Dark Angel on April 23, 2008
at 3:54 am
Yes, I will remember your saying.
You don’t have to be saved at the end of your day.
Blame and Abuse more.
Even you abuse us with insulting words , The truth will win.
You’ll fail.
You don’t have any truth from Jesus,
So Don’t say you love Jesus, believe in him.
Don’t you know the word of Jesus
“If you love me you keep my words.”
Go away.
By: returnedangel on April 23, 2008
at 8:31 am
I am a pot calling a kettle black.
CoG = FAIL
By: returnedangel on April 23, 2008
at 8:33 am
Dark Angel,
Do you want to know the time of the end?
Why?
Why you want to know?
To be saved?
God only know that time.
Don’t you know this until now?
And then Do you know?
Never.
God only know.
By: returnedangel on April 23, 2008
at 8:36 am
ReturnedAngel,
You asked why I want to know. Well, I want to know because I don’t… and since you all want to preach about the end coming soon, then I would assume that you all would know.
If you do not, then what is the purpose of preaching the end if you don’t know when it is.
If “God only knows” then your claims of the end coming soon are meaningless.
You all claim to be familar with a Being that is said to be beyond our comprehension, yet you say that you do not know certain things.
Obviously Mother Jerusalem doesn’t know because she’s not the father.
Obviously Ahnsahnghong didn’t know, no question about that.
And now, you who claim to know and love an OmniScient Being doesn’t know.
Very Interesting.
What exactly is “man’s teachings” by the way, I’m curious. I hear that a lot and I want to know exactly what you all mean by that.
I have yet to see teachings from a Supreme Being because any “teachings” from a Supreme Being does not and would not need different versions created for it or need the help of imperfect man to create or interpret anything. It would be written perfectly and would relate to everyone, where everyone can understand.
It would be the perfect words.
By: Dark Angel on April 23, 2008
at 9:24 am
Yea, thanks for posting under my name pretending to be me. Very “Jesus-like” of you, in your case, “Ahnsahnghong-like”.
Next time, try addressing my post please.
Thanks
By: Dark Angel on April 23, 2008
at 3:12 pm
Hi Jamie. God bless you. I have posted this on MySpace, Friendster, Facebook and many more. Can you delete them all? LOL. I’ll keep posting it on ALL website so the whole world will know, believe or unbeliever, that you don’t want the truth of God, you weed.
By: brofromzion on April 23, 2008
at 4:09 pm
Haha what a FAILED attempt at impersonation and slander. You know that you can be prosecuted for such behavior? You’re lucky I helped you delete them, returnedangel. I can see your IP, you can’t fake me.
brofromzion, as you like. Post wherever you like, but you’ll just be considered as a spammer. Just about everyone else outside of CoG believes it’s not real Christianity, so I don’t care where you post it.
Honestly, I can see how Ang Sahn Hong must have been like when he was living. His follower is a good example!
Your attempt to make me intimidated = FAIL
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 23, 2008
at 4:45 pm
God bless you Jamie.
God the Father Jehovah
God the Son Jesus
God the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother
Revelations 22:13 [I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.]
By: brofromzion on April 23, 2008
at 5:36 pm
brother brofromzion,
When exactly is ‘The End’ ? Can you tell me please, if you dont know exact date, probably just the year would be sufficient.
And you still have not answered my question about ‘Mother’, for example: how did she get involved, does she have families, how old is she.
Thank you so much for your patience and reply.
By: Donnie on April 23, 2008
at 5:48 pm
God bless you Donnie.
Revelations 7:1-3 『After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 』
Once all God’s chosen people has the Seal of God, then it will come.
By: brofromzion on April 23, 2008
at 5:58 pm
Hello BrofromZion,
I would like to say that your church may have already surpassed the 144,000 quota. A few years ago, roughly 2005, the number of members were said to be in your church was posted on their website.
The problem was, according to your church, it appeared that people were lacking faith and were dropping out. So, for every one person that may have dropped out, there were perhaps two more to replace that one person.
So apparently, it takes a lot of faith and belief to trigger this “end”.
I see that you’ve posted some form of Trinity concept:
“God the Father Jehovah
God the Son Jesus
God the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother”
This concept, is exactly what it appears to be…a concept. It’s not a fact, because if it were a fact, then Mother Jerusalem, who is said to be OmniScient, would know when “the end” would be.
Ahnsahnghong, whom you believe to be a God, would too have known when the end would have been but apparently, he didn’t, giving false predictions and all. So he of course, is not OmniScient.
Neither person are OmniScient and according to you, is said to be a part of this Trinity concept.
It does not make any sense for a Being to keep information from itself or other “personalities” of itself if it is OmniScient.
Either “the Father” is the only OmniScient Being and the other two are not, which would make them not Gods or all three are OmniScient, which should mean that all personalities KNOW what the other knows and knowledge is not separate from itself.
Can you keep a secret from yourself, Brofromzion?
Try it sometime.
Now imagine an OmniScient Being keeping information from itself. It would totally contradict the nature of being OmniScient.
Mother Jerusalem are Ahnsahnghong were not and are not OmniScient. Which means, they are not Gods.
By: Dark Angel on April 23, 2008
at 6:38 pm
God bless you Dark Angel. The concept of “Trinity” means that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are not different entities, but are one God.To better understand the Trinity, let’s first consider the transformation of water. Water is a liquid, but when its temperature falls below 0° C, the water will turn into ice, a solid. When the water is boiled, it turns into vapor, a gas. Water, ice, and vapor have different names and different forms, but their substance is the same: H₂O.
It is similar to when an actor in a monodrama plays three different characters. A father, a son, and a grandson, all having different voices. Although there are three different voices and three different roles, there is only one actor.
Like this, even though God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit may look different, have different names, and have appeared during different ages, the three are one God. The Trinity reveals that God administrates His salvation work while playing three roles.
For six thousand years God has carried out His salvation work in the role of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, each according to its age.
God the Father = God the Son
Let us confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God.
Isaiah prophesied about Jesus as follows:
Isa. 9:6 『For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.』
Isaiah the prophet testified to the birth of a “child” and a “son”, in the future. But the titles he gave this child and this son were: “Mighty God” and “Everlasting Father”, Isaiah the prophet only called to Jehovah God as Mighty God and Everlasting Father, letting us understand that in the future Jehovah God will come to the earth playing the role of a child and of a son. This child and this son was Jesus, and Apostle Paul clearly understood this:
Phil. 2:5-7 『Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man…』
Rom. 9:5 『…Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.』
We can also confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God by studying the history of the Creation.
Isa. 44:24 『I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself…』
God the Father Jehovah said that He had created everything by Himself, but Jesus said that it was He who had created the world.
Col. 1:16 『For by him [Jesus] all things were created…』
The Bible states that God the Father, Jehovah, created the world, but it also says that God the Son, Jesus, created the world. Therefore, God the Father [Jehovah] and God the Son [Jesus] are clearly one God.
Isa. 44:6 『”This is what the LORD says, Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last…』
God the Father said, “I am the first and I am the last.”
Rev. 22:13 『”I [Jesus] am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”』
God the Son also said, “I am the First and the Last.” Therefore, God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God.
God the Father = God the Holy Spirit
Let us confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Holy Spirit are one God.
In the Bible, there are frequent references to “the (Holy) Spirit.” The Bible teaches us that God is spirit, and that God is holy. Thus, the spirit of God is holy, too. We call the spirit of God “the Holy Spirit.”
John 4:24 『God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.』
Apostle Paul wrote in the book of Corinthians that God is the Holy Spirit.
1 Cor. 2:10-11 『…but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 』
The (Holy) Spirit could search even the deep things of God (the Father), the things which no one could know. If “the Holy Spirit” and “the spirit of God” were different, how could the Holy Spirit possibly know the thoughts of God? Only the spirit of God the Holy Spirit knows the thoughts of God. Therefore, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one.
2 Tim. 3:16 『All Scripture is God-breathed…』
2 Pet. 1:20-21 『Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 』
The Bible is “God-breathed” and it was written by the prophets, “as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” This clearly testifies that God the Father, Jehovah, is the Holy Spirit.
The Bible = God-breathed book
The Bible = A book written by prophets being carried along by the Holy Spirit
Therefore the Holy Spirit is God.
Therefore, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father, Jehovah, are one God.
God the Son = God the Holy Spirit
Let us confirm that God the Son, Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit, are one God.
Isa. 9:6 『…a son …will be called Wonderful Counselor… 』
The verse above states that the Son, Jesus, will be called Wonderful Counselor.
John 14:26 『”But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things…”』
The Son is the Counselor, and the Counselor is the Holy Spirit, so we can easily conclude that the Son, Jesus, is the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not separate, but are one.
The Holy Spirit is a Personal Being
The Holy Spirit is not a kind of energy or an electric wave. The Holy Spirit is a personal being who has feelings (Rom. 15:30), who grieves (Eph. 4:30), who speaks (Rev. 2:7), who groans (Rom. 8:26), who intercedes (Rom. 8:26), who testifies about God (John 15:26), who teaches (John 14:26), who gives commands (Rom. 8:29), who keeps us from preaching in certain places (Acts 16:6-7), who thinks (Rom. 8:27), and who has been blasphemed (Matt. 12: 31-32).
John 14:26, NASB 『”But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.』
The Holy Spirit is referred to as “He,” meaning that the Holy Spirit is a personal being.
Matt. 28:19 『”Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”』
If the Holy Spirit was not a man with character, but merely an invisible, active power like an electric wave, or energy how would it be possible for the Holy Spirit to have a name? The fact that the Holy Spirit has a name proves that the Holy Spirit is a man, with character.
God commanded us to be baptized in the name of the Father, the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit, because He would administrate His salvation work with three names (of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit) according to each age. By calling out the three names through which God showed His authority, God’s prophets are to baptize people and commemorate God.
God’s name was “Jehovah” when He played the role of the Father, and it was “Jesus” when He worked as the Son. Then, how should we call upon God when He is working as the Holy Spirit?
The Name of the Holy Spirit is Ahnsahnghong.
Since God told us to “baptize (people) in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” we need to understand that the “Trinity” God the Father [Jehovah], God the Son [Jesus], and God the Holy Spirit [Ahnsahnghong] are one God. By this understanding we can receive abundant blessing and we can participate in God’s administration of salvation, which has been carried out through the Trinity.
By: brofromzion on April 23, 2008
at 7:59 pm
Here’s more proof the Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming of Christ. In the bible, God lets us know about a very important place for our salvation. That place is the Garden of Eden. In the Garden of Eden, we can find out not only about the biblical origin of human beings, but the origin of death as well.
However, the Garden of Eden does not only hold the key to how we came to die, but also how we can come to have the secret of eternal life. Because we sinned in the Garden of Eden, all men have been destined to die. Then, is that it? Are only born to die in this dreadful world? Is there anyway to be saved from our sin, and finally death?
According to the bible, Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that there is a way to escape death, and that is only by eating from the “tree of life”. According to the bible, because all men sinned by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden, the only way to regain our eternal life is by eating from the tree of life. However, Satan blocked the way to the tree of life in A.D. 325.
The Bible prophesied that Jesus would come a second time to restore the way to the tree of life and give eternal life to human beings who were destined to die. It is Ahnsahnghong that brought us the way to once again take and eat form the tree of life, and receive eternal salvation. Therefore, the Church of God believes in him, Christ Ahnshanghong, as the Second Coming Jesus.
Then, what is the tree of life? Is it truly Christ Ahnsahnghong that brought us the tree of life?
The tree of life hidden since the creation
Matt. 13:34-35 『Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”』
According to the bible, Jesus always spoke in parables. In these parables, Jesus has revealed things hidden since the creation of the world. Among the 66 books, which book has the history of the creation of the world? It is the book of Genesis.
In the book of Genesis there are many parables showing God’s Providence. Among the parables, let’s study the tree of life.
Gen. 2:16-17 『And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”』
In the Garden of Eden, God the LORD put the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And He commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, they were tempted by Satan and violated the commandment of God. By this, human beings are destined to die and death entered this world through sin.
However, Jesus said that he spoke in parables, which speaks of hidden things, but is the story the tree of the knowledge of good and evil a hidden thing? Everyone has heard this story before. The n what was hidden?
Even though we all know about how we came to die in the Garden of Eden, how many people know about how we had to have eternal life?
This is the hidden thing that Jesus was speaking of. There is a proverb, “where there is a problem, there is a solution.” Then, if death is the problem, what can be the only possible solution? Eternal life. Let’s see how we were able to have eternal life in the Garden of Eden.
Gen. 3:22 『And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”』
According to the above verse, the way that we are able to have eternal life is by eating from the tree of life.
According to the bible, because we sinned by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God blocked the way for us to eat from the tree of life and receive eternal life. But if God blocked the way to eat from the tree of life, then who is the only one that can open the way? Only God. However, two thousand years ago, Jesus Christ came to give us the way to eternal life.
John 10:10 『The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.』
Life to the full means “eternal life”. But according to bible, the only way to receive eternal life is by eating from the tree of life. This means that Christ came to open the way to the tree of life. However, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Jesus Christ is God almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life.
Then, what is the reality of the tree of life?
How did Jesus open the way for us to eat from the tree of life?
John 6:53-54 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.』
In Genesis, what should we eat to have eternal life? It’s the tree of life. However, what did Jesus say we should eat to have eternal life? He said we should eat His flesh and drink His blood. Then, what is Jesus’ flesh and blood? It’s the reality of the tree of life. That’s right. The fruit of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden represents Jesus’ flesh and blood. By eating Jesus’ flesh and blood we can eat the fruit of the tree of life and have eternal life, which was lost in the Garden of Eden.
How do we eat Jesus Flesh and blood?
Are we to really eat Jesus Christ himself?
No way. The bible shows us exactly how to eat Jesus flesh and blood to receive eternal life.
Matt. 26:17-26 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to
eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover. … While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
In the Garden of Eden; we needed to eat from the tree of life in order to receive eternal life. In the New Testament, the reality of the tree of life is Jesus Christ flesh and blood. The way to eat from Jesus Christ flesh and blood is be celebrating the Passover. Then, we can say the reality of the tree of life is the Passover.
Again, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Jesus Christ is God almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life
Christ Ahnsahnghong who restored us the tree of life
We, human beings, who lost the tree of life and were destined to die, have the chase once again to have eternal life by God who came in the flesh and allowed the fruit of the tree of life, that is, the bread and wine of the Passover. However, the devil abolished the truth of the Passover at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. It means the tree of life was hidden and no one could have eternal life. We could not expect salvation without the Passover the truth about the tree of life.
What does this mean?
Will no one restore the Passover truth to us?
Heb. 9:28 『so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
The purpose of Christ coming a second time is for our salvation. To bring us salvation the Passover is absolutely needed. Whoever establishes the Passover truth must be second coming Christ. The One who restored the Passover truth is Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Therefore, Ahnsahnghong is Christ who came in this age according to all the prophecies of the Bible. He restored the truth of the Passover, the tree of life, and saved us from our sin and death.
Again, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ
Ahnsahnghong came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Christ Ahnsahnghong is God Almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life.
By: brofromzion on April 23, 2008
at 8:03 pm
How can you recognize who Second Coming Christ is? In Church of God we believe that Christ Ahnsahnghong is Second Coming Christ. But how can we be sure that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the name of the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, Second Coming Christ has to come and fulfill the prophecy of King David.
Hosea 3:5 “Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord and David their king. They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings in the last days.”
Christ Ahnsahnghong testified, that according to the Bible in order for us to receive blessings we have to seek the Lord and King David in the last days. But Hosea existed in 721BC when he gave this prophecy, however, King David existed around 1000 BC, basically 300 years apart. So, at the time that Hosea spoke, King David was already death, so he was not talking about getting blessings from a death body, but from the prophetical King David that is to come in the LAST DAYS.
Luke 1:31 “You will be with a child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great……The Lord will give him the throne of his father David….”
Why among so many kings, God has to choose King David? This is because there most be some prophetical points that Christ and King David have in relationship. According to the book of Isaiah he testified that Jehovah God is going to born in the future as a child and that He is going to receive the throne of King David. Who fulfilled this prophecy? Jesus, did 2000 yrs ago.
But in order to understand the whole prophecy you need to understand about the life of King David first and his throne.
2 Samuel 5:4 “David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years.”
If Jesus is the true prophetical King David, He has to fulfill this prophecy, too.
Luke 3:21-23 “When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too…..Now Jesus was thirty years old when he began his ministry.”
Luke 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord in on me, because he has anointed me to preach the good news….”
Through this Christ Ahnsahnghong allowed us to understand that Jesus began His kingship at 30. But now He also should reign for 40 years.
Wait a minute!! Jesus only preached for 3 years and He died at the age of 33. So, Jesus only fulfilled 3 years and not 40, that means that there are 37 years remaining to be true prophetical King David. This is not a mistake, God will never leave any prophecy incomplete. There most be another austanding prophecy that we need to understand. Christ Ahnsahnghong showed God’s plan through the following verse:
Hebrews 9:28 “So, Christ was sacrifice once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”
This is an amazing prophecy, this is our salvation. So, when Second Coming Christ comes, in order for Him to be the true prophetical King David, He needs to be baptized at the age 30 and preach for the remaining 37 years.
WHO FULFILLED THIS PROPHECY?
Christ Ahnsahnghong did it! Christ Ahnsahnghong started preaching in 1948 at the age of 30. However, in order to be 100% sure that Christ Ahnsahnghong is prophetical King David, He must have a sign. What is the sign?
Isaiah 55:3 ” …I will make an everlasting covenant with you my faithfull love promised to David.”
What is the everlasting covenant promised to David?
Hebrews 13:20 “May the God of peace, who brought the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus.”
The everlasting covenant is the same as the eternal covenant. If you look at the meaning of (everlasting and eternal) you can easily find that they have the same meaning. So, we need to know now what is the blood of the eternal covenant.
Matthew 26:28 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”
Luke 22:20 “This cup(the wine of the Passover) is the new covenant in my blood.”
So, in the last days prophetical King David, Second Coming Christ will preach Passover, starting at the age of 30, for the remaining 37 years.
Who fulfilled this prophecy?
According to the Fig Tree Lesson, Christ Ahnsahnghong came in 1948 at the age of 30 years and starting preaching about the Passover looking for His lost children. Christ Ahnsahnghong was born in South Korea in 1918. In 1981 in a religious magazine Christ Ahnsahnghong prophesied about King David’s prophecy and predicted His own death.
But who can only predict about his own death? Only God, so, if Christ Ahnsahnghong predicted about His own death, who is Christ Ahnsahnghong? Christ Ahnsahnghong is God. Why does Christ Ahnsahnghong has to predict His own death? Because, of the following prophecy.
1 King 2:10 “Then David rested with his Fathers and was buried of the City of David. He reigned forty years…..”
Throughout his we can understand that Christ Ahnsahnghong truly fulfilled prophetical King David. Who can say that He can coincide His birth with the rise of the nation by starting to preach at the age of 30. Then 4 years before, in 1981, He prophesied about His own death after 37 years. Only Christ Ahnsahnghong can, because Christ Ahnsahnghong is Almighty God.
By: brofromzion on April 23, 2008
at 8:06 pm
Question about ‘MOTHER’
Please tell me more about this ‘Mother’, for example: her name, how did she get involved, does she have families, how old is she.
What is her relationship with ahnsahnghong?
Thank you brother brofromzion.
By: Donnie on April 23, 2008
at 9:09 pm
“Wait a minute!! Jesus only preached for 3 years and He died at the age of 33.”
The bible doesnt say how old Jesus was. And just because Ahnsahnghong preached for a certain number of years, doesnt make him God. Thats stupid. And besides, your cult can fake how long he preached for. I’m sure he preached long before he turned 30.
All religion is a myth anyway. In a million years, ahnsahnghong, zeus, allah, Jesus, vishnu, Thor, Zeus, Krishna will all be forgotten.
By: Timothy3:16 on April 23, 2008
at 9:42 pm
To.Timothy 3:16
You don’t know the prophecy of the King David.
Yes, Jesus worked for three years.
And he was on the throne of King David as the prophecy.
And then What about 37 years of his ministry?
He has to fulfill this so must appear a second time like first time.
How an ignorant man or woman.
By: returnedangel on April 23, 2008
at 9:57 pm
Jamie, Donnie, Dark Angel,Jonnah
Please read the passage of brofromzion
Read this with open mind without your prejudice.
Even you don’t want to realize this, but this is truth.
Look at the worldwide.
More and more people visit us and become our brother and sister.
Are you envy?
Even you blame and abuse, It is useless behavior.
Don’t waste your time anymore.
By: returnedangel on April 23, 2008
at 10:02 pm
Hi everyone. I started reading the comments on this forum and seems like World Mission Society Church of God is the true church. I only attended couple of times so I don’t really know everything they teach. I’m currently away from it and just out here away from the church, probably for at least a year. Secret of forgiveness of sins is pretty clear that we all came from Heaven before. They also teach me about Sabbath, Baptism, Veil for women, Trinity and some other studies. First, I wasn’t sure because I have never heard of Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother. I tried comparing it to the other churches and it’s really clear that Church of God is the true church that keeps all God’s commandments. But returnedangel, the things not clear to me right now is that the Tribulation already happened? I’m talking about the 666, the anti-christ. Also, they said that I have to get the Daniel’s prophecy to understand it. Can you post it here? Thanks.
By: Poland on April 23, 2008
at 11:06 pm
All religion is fake buddy. Learn your history, read some facts, soak up some knowledge.
It’s just jazzy superstition believed by ignorant people.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-thinkingchristians.htm
The higher the IQ, the less religious someone is. The more ignorant you are, the more likely you believe in superstition.
Name me any serious scientist or thinker who believes in Ahnsahgnhong or Jesus? Thats old news buddy. Wake up and smell the 21st century. We now know enough about the Bible, history and religion to debunk this crap.
All your prophecies are wrong, childish and superficial. You wont wake up, because like 99 percent of the world, you’re a moron who believes in childish things.
By: Timothy3:16 on April 23, 2008
at 11:31 pm
hi brofromzion…
nice preaching…
ya.. I have heard all the things that you posted above.. really make sense… but still… “Hanging”…
according to you brofromzion what and whose sin that Lord Jesus forgiven when He was crucified??
sin commited in heaven or commited in earth or what??
mmm… if you have time… please cover all my old questions above…
thanks
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 23, 2008
at 11:39 pm
whoa Timothy3:16
just few word for u..
U are Very Interesting
GodBless~
nijuroku
By: nijuroku on April 24, 2008
at 12:00 am
The Church of God’s teachings really aren’t very theologically sound. The great tribulation will only happen AFTER the 2nd coming of Christ, and when that happens all believers will be seized up into the sky to ascend to heaven. Only after that will those who are left on the earth experience the great tribulation. It’s in Revelations, you can read it yourself.
Honestly, that’s why Ang Sahn Hong cannot be the real Jesus. What are his followers still doing on earth if he is really Jesus 2nd coming? They should have already been caught up to heaven and we should be suffering BIG TIME. Are we suffering now? Definitely not as much as it’s supposed to be as written in revelation.
Poland, you really should reconsider your beliefs. This church teaches rules of man as the commandments of God (yes I throw the same argument back at you, CoG members). Did not the early church command the believers that they only needed to observe a few things in the book of Acts 15:20 rather than the things of Moses Law? Why then do you hold on to the things that were a shadow of the things that have come into fullness with Christ’s coming?
Ang Sahn Hong really did not understand theology, nor the true significance and meaning of the festivals, rituals and rites that he spoke of as mandatory. Once you gain a perspective of what the Mosaic Law foreshadows, you’ll definitely know that CoG’s teachings are legalism and not life-bringing.
Peace to you Poland. Do reconsider and be willing to critically examine whatever faith you are embracing.
By: Jamie on April 24, 2008
at 1:23 am
Jamie,
Based on bozofromzion’s desire to preach their skewed brainwashy doctrine while ignoring to directly answer the questions that we (non-cog buying people) would like. (I.e. concise, honest, and direct answers) I totally support your decision to filter the misleading garbage that’s trying to be pushed down our throats.
Additionally, Coggers, we don’t want to hear from you that we aren’t seeking the truth (because your truth is what we understand as brainwashed misleading interpretation), that your being persecuted simply because your interpretain doesn’t support a logical analysis and we are pointing out the discrepancies, and we don’t want to hear manipulative language such as, “If you understand the bible”, “If you follow Gods commandments”, “clearly it means”…
If there are any cog members that can give a quick one/ two sentence answer to questions that are being asked, I bet Jaime would be willing to leave your posts. Can you talk to us with your own brain and not resort to using the prefabricated studies that you,ve been conditioned to throwup?
By: COGinator on April 24, 2008
at 3:56 am
Brofromzion,
I’ve read what Ahnsahnghong wrote about the Trinity and H20. I’ve read most of his books. Your God believes in concepts.
That’s all that I have to say, I’m done posting here.
Later.
By: Dark Angel on April 24, 2008
at 7:22 am
Bozofromzion, lets us know when the ahnsahnghang circus comes to town so we can ridicule all the clowns that are making no sense. Jaime, your posts are not complete unless you state:
CoG = FAIL
love it!
By: COGinator on April 24, 2008
at 8:43 am
God bless you all. COGinator, seems to me that you like watching circus. Well just to let you know that I’m not interested. I’d rather seek the truth of God instead. So, according to you, COGinator, you want me to answer on my own opinion about the Bible, meaning you want me to interpret it? I can’t. It’s not mine. It’s the Word of God.
John 7:16-18 [Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.]
1 Corinthians 2:11-16 [For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.]
2 Peter 1:20-21 [Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.]
Is it clear to you COGinator? Go ahead, make your own interpretation of the Bible. Oh, since you don’t wanna hear the truth it’s okay. I won’t preach to you anymore. God bless you.
By: brofromzion on April 24, 2008
at 3:28 pm
The words of God are absolute, and there can not be any exceptions to the absoluteness. If you take exceptions to God’s word, it is because you do not regard His words as absolute. When you carry them out absolutely, the absolute results will follow. God said, “Do not add and subtract” (Deut. 4:2), “Do not add and take away” (Rev. 22:18). And God gave a warning: If anyone adds anything to His words, He will add to him the plagues described in the Bible, and if anyone takes away from them, He will take away from him his share in the tree of life (eternal life). These words show well how absolute the word of God is and how authentic result it accompanies.
We can see how absolute God’s word is and what blessing it brings from Abraham’s case. God granted Isaac as an heir to Abraham who was 100 years old. To him, Isaac was absolute being and the most precious treasure among all his possessions. God, however, commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as an offering whom he cherished and loved as much as his life, in order to test whether or not he loved God absolutely. Then Abraham made up his mind to obey God’s command as more absolute than his possession. Those who stuck only to common sense might grumble against God and His disposal, saying “God! Why did You give me Isaac? Have I ever asked for a son? You gave me a son unilaterally, but now You intend to take him away from me. Why do You give me an agony shattering a ray of hope of old man? Abraham could have grumbled against God like that. But he obeyed God’s will, with the faith that life, death, fortune, and misfortune of men depend upon God. So he determined to sacrifice Isaac as an offering. When he was about to kill Isaac, he heard the merciful voice of God, “Do not lay a hand on the boy.” Such faithful obedience won him the praise of the people, that he was called “the father of faith”.
Through the works of Noah, we can also find out what the result of the absolute faith is. In the days that not a drop of rain fell, God commanded Noah to make an ark (wooden ship) on the top of the mountain. In fact, it was beyond common sense; as for scale, the ark was to be 137 meters long, 23 meters wide, 14 meters high, and it was almost impossible to build such a tremendous ship with the techniques of those days. Of course, it can be construct easily with modern techniques including timbers and various kinds of building materials. However, it must have been difficult to build the ark with those day’s technique, because it required high techniques and expenses with which today’s shuttle can be made. Even under those circumstances, Noah never complained of God and began to construct the ark, believing that God would help him. It is estimated that it took as long as 40 years at least or even 100 years to make the ark. From this, we can guess it took a lot of perseverance for Noah to do the work. As the result of obeying the absolute words of God without adding or subtracting, only Noah and his family were saved when all the people were destroyed by the flood. Thus, the result of regarding the words of God as absolute was great blessing and joy.
Here is another case; Naaman, commander of the army of the king of Aram, was cured of his serious disease by obeying the word of God absolutely. When Naaman was suffering from mortal disease, leprosy, he visited Elisha who lived in the land of Israel, through the recommendation of Hebraic maidservant whom he kept in his house. Then Elisha didn’t allow Naaman to see himself, but only sent a messenger to command him to wash himself seven times seven times in the Jordan. Naaman would go away in angry, counting impolitely Elisha’s treatment for the commander of the army of a nation. For he expected that Elisha would come out to him and lay his hands on himself and cure of his disease. But the prescription for his disease was far from his thought, and he could not believe that he would be healed by such a recipe. But Naaman changed his mind and washed himself in the Jordan with the mind of obedience, and he was cured of his skin like that of little child (2 Kings 5:1-27). If general Naaman had not obeyed absolutely the word of God spoken through Elisha, he would have finished his miserable life as a leper.
Even when the Israelites were about to cross the Jordan in order to possess the land of Canaan after forty years in the desert, the absolute obedience was required. In the rainy season that the river overflew all it’s banks, God commanded the Israelites to go ahead of them. In common knowledge, ferries or rafts at least would be required to cross a river. But Joshua believed absolutely that the words of God would bring forth a gracious result. Indeed, as soon as the Israelites dipped their feet into the Jordan, believing the words of God absolutely, so much water was pushed out, that they could cross over the Jordan as on dry land.
When the Israelites arrived in the land of Canaan, the fortress of Jericho stood dreadfully before them. Without conquering Jericho the firm fortress, they couldn’t enter Canaan. Under such circumstance, they were ordered to march around the Jericho. It would be an ordinary way of conquering the fortress to build siege ramps and make ladders, arrows, spears, shields and battering rams for breading the gate and to plan a strategy. However, God told them an unreasonable and strange operation beyond common sense, and those who believed God with common sense couldn’t carry it out.
On the first day, they marched around the city once, but nothing happened. And on the second day, they marched around the city in the same manner, but it didn’t still move at all. On the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day, they did so. Those who didn’t have absolute faith must have been anxious; they might have fallen into men’s common sense, “We would rather sharpen our swords or make one more spear or make battering rams to break the gate”. On the seventh day that they marched around the city seven times, they might have despaired deeply, doubting, “Will it collapse or not”? or “We may collapse from exhaustion”. But what result did God give the Israelites who obeyed absolutely His words? When they shouted with a great shout, the wall collapse. By conquering the city of Jericho, they prepared the foundation for entering the promised land of Canaan..
But after Israelites came out of Egypt, they didn’t keep such absolute faith until the end. As a result, six hundred thousand men were killed miserably in the desert. As it is written:
Hebrews 3:17-19 [And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.]
We come to a conclusion that no one can follow the commands of God without absolute obedience. Even what is beyond common sense will be settled naturally if we only carry it out with absolute obedience toward God. Such an absolute obedience is also required to keep the commands of God. Some persist in their arrogant opinions: “It doesn’t matter whether we worship on Sunday or Saturday” or “If we appoint 25th of December as the holy birthday of Jesus Christ and celebrate it, though we don’t celebrate Passover, God will be pleased with it”, or “We will be saved, though we don’t keep the Passover, for we have Communion every month or every week”. The reason they say such nonsense is that they don’t regard the words of God as absolute, but degrade them lower than the insistence of men. Those who believe God with their own thoughts will never be saved.
Sometimes, those who obey the words of God absolutely seem to be abnormal to the eyes of those who do not regard them as absolute: Naaman who washed himself even seven times in the dirty water of the Jordan, not in the clear water, the Israelites who marched around the city Jericho instead of attacking it, Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his precious son as an offering, Noah who made the ark on top of the mountains, sweating profusely, on the clear days. All of them might seem to be abnormal and crazy to the eyes of the people. But if we realize that God asks us to do something only for our own sake, we will obey God’s words absolutely without persisting our own thought, by which we can become perfect. When God demands us absolute obedience, it is not to oppress us dictatorially, but to give benefits to us who cannot foresee the future.
These days, it is regarded as very reasonable and natural that men or animals or images of nature move as reality on television. But only 100 years ago, people couldn’t even imagine such a thing at all; if anyone said that there would be television, he must have been treated as a mad man.
Men can not know the things to come 100 years or later or 10 years or one year later. Really they are ignorant, and they can’t foresee what will happen even after a second. To them, what will God teach and what will He explain?
John 3:12 Jesus said to them [“I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”] Like Jesus’ word, men cannot fathom God’s great will.
But God always prepares righteous and beneficial results, and allows them only to those who believe and follow Him. Nevertheless, most people do not believe the fact completely, that they sometimes undergo sufferings and sometimes wander about and fall into death after all. Now, we should keep in mind that the way to proceed to the kingdom of heaven is only to obey the commands of God absolutely and to believe that we are to receive His absolute blessing after absolute obedience. God gave us absolute commands to give us His absolute love. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on April 24, 2008
at 5:16 pm
“God bless you all. COGinator, seems to me that you like watching circus. Well just to let you know that I’m not interested. I’d rather seek the truth of God instead. So, according to you, COGinator, you want me to answer on my own opinion about the Bible, meaning you want me to interpret it? I can’t. It’s not mine. It’s the Word of God.”
BOZOfromZion….You can’t? Sure you can, is your self esteem so low that you feel you have to listen how others mis-interpret the bible and that has to be your interpretation?? Honestly, I bet you that the whole Ahnshanghong/MJ thing was way in left field when you first heard it, but you wanted to be accpeted by the nice people of the CoG so you swalled the crud whole.
Don’t think that we who are so against the BS that the CoG teaches hasn’t gone through it with a fine tooth comb. However, we relied on our own mind and didn’t fall for the manipulation of accepting false assumptions. Once you bought into the C.A.S.H falseness you were toast. Really think about…He’s dead. You could go to Korea and dig up his body (that would be sick, but you could do it). You can’t do that with Jesus. So…case and point!
CoG = FAIL.
Jamie should trim your posts for brevity!!
Oh and God bless you too, but if your God is the Hearing-aided Witch then I don’t accpet your blessing.
By: COGInator on April 24, 2008
at 9:15 pm
Brilliant suggestion COGinator. I shall summarize his nonsense.
This is another FAIL post. He tries to make a case that if we were people living 2000 years ago, we would have likely denied Jesus was the Christ. He says things like Jesus was only a carpenter, etc, and quotes verses to show how normal Jesus seemed to be.
Yet this is a big FAIL because he never once highlights why we would very likely believe in Jesus. Jesus performed so many wondrous miracles and spoke such gracious words that many people believed in Him. It says in the bible that the multitudes followed him. Does multitude mean one or two? Obviously not. The ones who rejected Him were mainly the priests; Pharisees, Sadducees.
This person obviously never read the bible for himself but simply regurgitates whatever CoG indoctrinates him with.
CoG = FAIL
By: brofromzion on April 24, 2008
at 10:13 pm
This is a FAIL post. He’s basically trying to say that the Passover feast is the new covenant. How silly of him to try and reduce the wonderful new covenant to just a feast. Apparently, he never read the whole bible himself or he’d know that the new covenant refers to Jesus Christ’s blood being the way to right standing with God, Jesus Christ dwelling in us, the Holy Spirit being given to us, and the laws of God written in our hearts.
How cheap he made the new covenant! To reduce it to merely a feast!
That is why I say that the spirit of Anti-Christ is alive in the CoG. Time and time again they deny the works of Jesus and the sacrifice on the cross while claiming to be the true way.
CoG = FAIL
By: brofromzion on April 24, 2008
at 10:31 pm
God bless you all. Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. You really hate the truth of the Bible. You know what why should I even bother to preach the truth of Word of God here on your blog. You like to pick on comments that only chastize World Mission Society Church of God but when someone who makes an atheist comment like Timothy3:16 who said:
“All religion is fake buddy. Learn your history, read some facts, soak up some knowledge.
It’s just jazzy superstition believed by ignorant people.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-thinkingchristians.htm
The higher the IQ, the less religious someone is. The more ignorant you are, the more likely you believe in superstition.
Name me any serious scientist or thinker who believes in Ahnsahgnhong or Jesus? Thats old news buddy. Wake up and smell the 21st century. We now know enough about the Bible, history and religion to debunk this crap.
All your prophecies are wrong, childish and superficial. You wont wake up, because like 99 percent of the world, you’re a moron who believes in childish things.”
So what’s up aren’t you gonna stand up for Jesus and prove through the Scripture that He is the God the Son or are you just gonna let Timothy3:16 mock Jesus Christ on your blog? You are unbelievable Jamie. You hate Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother and Their followers like me, Ryan and others so much yet you don’t say anything to atheist people that mocks Jesus. Jamie, how can you say your a Christian when you don’t even preach the Word of God? Oh yeah I forgot. You believe your gonna be saved anyway because you believe in Jesus and there’s no need for you to preach to unbelievers. Well don’t worry I will stop preaching the Word of God on your blog if that’s what you want since you don’t keep the original comments I put here. Anyway, I respect your faith and the faith of others who have different interpretation of the Bible like Jehovah Witness, Seventh Day Adventist and others. God bless you Jamie.
By: brofromzion on April 25, 2008
at 4:27 pm
Jamie…
That is much better!! Mucho Gracias!!
By: COGInator on April 25, 2008
at 8:48 pm
For Timothy3:16 —
Here are some scientists who were also Christian
Galileo Galilei; Louis Pasteur; Antoine Laurent Lavoisier; Johannes Kepler; Nicolaus Copernicus;J ames Clerk Maxwell; Werner Heisenberg, and even Charles Darwin…just to name a few.
Albert Einstien believed in the old testament and rumor has it before he died he accpeted Christ, but I haven’t found and references to that.
By: COGInator on April 25, 2008
at 9:18 pm
Haha brofromzion are you finally getting discouraged and tired? How can you let that happen to you!?! I thought you liked to quote Revelation when talking about the new names? Aren’t you afraid you won’t get a new name on the white stone if you don’t endure the persecution I am putting on you?
ROFL.
In fact, why not you continue posting your doctrines and arguments? They will be ammunition and part of what I will cover in the new site I am planning to create. You CoG members have really provoked my spirit, and I am going to make a site that systematically destroys every teaching that the CoG has and expose them as untruths, misinterpretations and manipulations through use of the bible, historical writings about the church and contemporary history.
Stay tuned for it, and keep on posting your comments about CoG’s FAIL teachings! I need as much initial ammunition as I can get so that I can really smash them down later on :)
Hohohoh. Keep up your good work brofromzion!
CoG members = Can’t even take some persecution, how are they going to get a new name? LOL
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 25, 2008
at 10:16 pm
God bless you Jamie. So your telling me that I’m getting discourage because I won’t post the truth about the Bible? Very funny! Your the one who’s scared of the true teachings of God’s word that I post here because you like deleting the truth. By the way, I have been persecuted before many times to some of my friends and strangers because I preach the teachings of Church of God because they say that Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are cults. But I think your the one, Jamie, who’s scared to preach the Bible to unbelievers because you can’t walk in the path that Jesus and the Apostles walked. Good thing I am not in Singapore because I would love to preach to you the Word of God in person and you preach me what your church preach. Another thing, for you Jamie and all others who chastize the Holy Spirit, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother, hear what the Bible testifies about you guys:
Matthew 12:30-32 [“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.]
By: brofromzion on April 25, 2008
at 10:56 pm
There are about 850 denominations on this earth. Nowadays, so many churches proclaim to have the true gospel. Many say the gospel is music, or just the word of God, but they don’t understand what is the true gospel Jesus Christ came to preach 2000 years ago. We have to understand through the Bible because there cant be 850 different gospels.
Ephesians 3:6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
Then only through the gospel we can be heirs of God, members of one body and sharers in the promise. Also, Paul mentioned that he was a servant of this gospel. Then what is this gospel?
Romans 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
As stated above, his ministry was to proclaim the gospel. However the following verse says he was a minister of a new covenant!..
2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Then what does this mean? Paul had two ministries? Absolutely not. The gospel is the new covenant. then what is the new covenant?
Luke 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Luke 22:19-And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then, clearly we can see that the new covenant is the Passover feast. Then, what is the gospel? it is the Passover! If we do not keep the Passover, we can not say we have the true gospel in our church. This is why the World Mission Society Church of God keeps the Passover faithfully. If we keep another gospel (passover), we will sin against God.
Galatians 1:6-I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel (passover)— which is really no gospel(passover) at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel (passover) of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel(passover) other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel (passover) other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
We must keep the Passover and preach the Passover. Communion and Eucharist is a different gospel from the one the Apostles preached. They never kept communion or sacrament or Eucharist. They kept the true gospel- Passover.
1 Corinthians 5:7-Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
Which festival did Apostle Paul keep and teach to keep? The Passover Festival!
If we want to be heirs of God, sharers in the promise and one body in christ, we must keep the Passover. Ahnsahnghong Christ came as prophesied and taught us the true Gospel of Christ. Second Coming Christ came and taught us all the mysteries hidden for ages and generations.
By: brofromzion on April 25, 2008
at 11:01 pm
Mathew 27:21-26- Crucify him!….They shouted all the louder. Crucify him! Let his blood be on us and on our children!
Imagine yourselves 2000 years ago! Would you have believed a man in about his thirty’s to be God Almighty in the flesh!? A man who claimed to be your God, Jehovah, in the flesh but with a different name, Jesus? A man who was a mere carpenter or even the one that fixed your door?
Mark 6:3 (please click link) A man whose appearance was like that of a root out of a dry ground in whose men hid his face from? Isaiah 53:1
John 10:30-33- We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy because you a mere man claim to be God.
John 6:42- they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”Put yourself in that position! All you had was the Old Testament where the name Jesus was nowhere to be found and where you can only trust in prophecies in order to seek your messiah. Would you have believed? Would you have devoted to him? Would you have confessed the name of the savior in that age, Jesus? Would you have walked with him without fear of being persecuted and even put to death? Would you have preached in his name? Acts 5:40, Mathew 10:21
Think about it seriously.. Not even Peter, the most faithful out of the twelve was 100% faithful for he even denied him three times for fear of being punished. Mathew 26:69
For what I can see, many people in this age would have stoned him, lashed him, beat him, punch him, spit on him, and even crucified him. Why? For only judging by mere appearances and not looking into the prophecies that testified to him in the Old Testament. Why? For being stuck to the name of Jehovah without realizing God came with a new name, Jesus. Why? For wanting your God to come the way it fit your concept instead of submitting to God’s way. Isaiah 55:8
Romans 15:4- “ For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us…”Now it is so easy to proclaim the name of Jesus Christ. But how about when you hear the new name of Jesus, Christ Ahnsahnghong? Nowadays, so many people ridicule and blaspheme the name of Christ Ahnsahnghong. But, then, would you want to be in the same position as the people who stoned Jesus Christ two thousand years ago? Are you not the one screaming- “Crucify him, Crucify him!? Are you not the one screaming… “you a mere man claim to be God!” or the one questioning how can you, Ahn Sahng Hong- a Korean man, say you are the Messiah? John 5:45-50
John 15:18 … “They will treat you this way because of my name for they do not know the One who sent me”
I know there are so many false Christ nowadays proclaiming they are the Christ! But where is their proof? They have not fulfilled any Bible prophecy! They only say they are the christ and people just follow? Be wise for your salvation and follow the prophecies in the bible!Christ Ahnsahnghong is the true Second Coming Christ and we can prove it through all prophecies Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled! Please consider what happened before and just try to understand the Savior in this Holy Spirit Age through Bible. John 5:39 Hosea 6:3
In Conclusion, judge for yourselves through the bible and not with your fixed concept that Christ Ahn Sahng Hong is the true God in this age! through the Bible you will see one by one the prophecies Jesus Christ had to fulfill when he came a second time with the New Name of Christ Ahnsahnghong.
By: brofromzion on April 25, 2008
at 11:04 pm
Hey BozoFromZion,
Are you a 13 year old little school girl? (Sorry for all you 13yr school girls out there reading this.) you stated:
I have been persecuted before many times to some of my friends and strangers because I preach the teachings of Church of God because they say that Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are cults.
Did they throw stones at you? Did you get any scars or stitches? Do you have brain damage (beyond the good scrubbing the CoG gave ya)? Because unless you’re really a wimpy sissy, I don’t think you’ve been persecuted!!
Just because we find soooo many inconsistancies in your twisted truth…and just because we point out that it doesn’t match with the teachings of the bible as been reasearched and discussed for thousands of years…and just because we point it out to you…you feel persecuted. Ok, I’ll validate your feelings if you’ll conceede, your persecution has in no way compared with the persecution that Jesus Christ underwent.
**Infact, I move that Jamie block all your future posts until you either conceede or reject my request.
Your reality is your truth…shame it doesn’t match the rest of the Kingdoms reality.
BozoFromZion’s truth = FAIL
Jaimie…can’t wait to see your new site!!!!! Let me know if I can help in anyway!!
By: COGInator on April 26, 2008
at 3:02 am
Hi brother brofromzion,
I have read all your posts. I understand your perspective about elohim, god the mother god the father heavenly family, she is going to be with us till the end of time (is that right?) etc.. I still want to know more about this person Mother. You’ve never even mentioned her name. Please, tell me everything about Mother’s life. How did she get involved in this. Does she have family/children,husband etc. How old is she now?
Thank you so much brother brofromzion for being so patient with me. I really appreciate it.
By: donnie on April 26, 2008
at 10:53 am
COGInator, I’ll probably work on it after next week when finals have passed.
Hey, I don’t mind any help :) If you come across places which list out the various teachings of the CoG and their explanations, let me know so that I can have stuff to destroy.
Brofromzion, I think everyone knows by now that you’ve never thought about your own faith critically, and that you simply copy and paste pre-arranged ‘arguments’ (more like spam mails) onto blogs that don’t agree with CoG’s teachings in the hopes of spamming them into submission.
BTW, I’m really enjoying persecuting you and your cult. Wait until I get that site up! You’ll be persecuted many times more than this!
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 26, 2008
at 12:32 pm
Donnie he has no answers about Mother Jerusalem or Ahnsahnhong’s hisotry All you will get is their stereotyped, lengthy post sent from their higher ups and just how Jamie mentioned easy to do thing “cut and paste” Which makes no sense. After Mother’s death they will worship Joo Cheol. Must have been already working secretly on that part of doctrine.
COGinator, I liked the Circus in town, very colorful. Imagining Mother doing the balancing act and dudes swinging on high ropes LOL
By: Jonah on April 26, 2008
at 4:30 pm
returnedangel, you haven´t answered my question. I´m going to repeat it so you don´t have to scroll up looking for it. My question is, the great tribulation that was talked about in the Bible, did it already happened yet? I try reading the book of Daniel and it talks about Daniel´s vision of the Nebuchazzar´s dream about the 4 kingdoms that will rise on Earth. Is it connected to the beast that is written in Revelation, about the anti-christ name can be calculated and it suppose to be 666? Anyone, whether from Church of God or not, please answer. Well I know that Church of God can explain the Bible clearly but I´d also like the point of view of others. Thanks everyone.
By: Poland on April 27, 2008
at 5:02 am
God bless you Jamie. Well then Jamie, just before you create a site to destroy the teachings of Church of God, I advise you to reconsider.
Acts 5:38-39 [Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”]
So you think you can prove through the Bible that Church of God is a false prophet? Because Church of God follows the Holy Spirit, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother? Because we keep the Passover of the new covenant? Sabbath? ALL Feast of God on it’s appointed times? Because our women wears veil? It is clearly testified in the Bible that the only true church are those who love God because they follow ALL God’s commandments, not just a partial of it.
John 14:15-21 [“If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. WHOEVER HAS MY COMMANDS AND OBEYS THEM, HE IS THE ONE WHO LOVE ME. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”]
John 14:23-26 [Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. “All this I have spoken while still with you. BUT THE COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY(JESUS) NAME, WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.]
Jamie, do you just simply praise God or FOLLOW ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS?
John 5:41-42 [I do not accept praise from men, but I know you. I know that you do not have the love(commandments) of God in your hearts.]
Now let’s make it clear about the Spirit. I spoke with couple of Jehovah Witness and they keep insisting the the Spirit is just some kind of energy but they couldn’t prove it through the Bible. The Bible CLEARLY testifies that the Holy Spirit is a personal being and referred to as “HE”.
Holy Spirit has feelings
Romans 15:30 [I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and BY THE LOVE OF THE SPIRIT, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me.]
Holy Spirit grieves
Ephesians 4:29-30 [Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. AND DO NOT GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, WITH WHOM YOU WERE SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.]
Holy Spirit speaks
Revelations 2:7 [HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS TO THE CHURCHES. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.]
Holy Spirit groans and intercedes
Romans 8:26-27 [In the same way, the Spirit helps us our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but THE SPIRIT HIMSELF INTERCEDES FOR US WITH GROANS THAT WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because THE SPIRIT INTERCEDES FOR THE SAINTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD’S WILL.]
Holy Spirit testifies about God
John 15:26 [When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, HE WILL TESTIFY ABOUT ME.]
Holy Spirit teaches
John 14:26 NIV [BUT THE COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY(JESUS) NAME, WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.]
John 14:26 NASB [But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.]
John 14:26 THE MESSAGE [The Friend, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send at my request, will make everything plain to you. HE will remind you of all the things I have told you.]
John 14:26 KJV [But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.]
Should I put all the versions of the Bible to prove it? It is already clear enough. As a matter of fact, the HOLY SPIRIT HAS A NAME.
Matthew 28:19 [Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT.]
If the Holy Spirit was not a man with character, but merely an invisible, active power like an electric wave, or energy how would it be possible for the Holy Spirit to have a NAME and referred to as “HE”? The fact that the Holy Spirit has a name and referred to as “HE” proves that the Holy Spirit is a MAN, WITH CHARACTERS.
Also the worst thing you can do in your life, Jamie, is to blasphemy the Holy Spirit and that’s even more proof that the HOLY SPIRIT is a PERSONAL BEING, BEING BLASPHEMED.
Matthew 12:30-32 [“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men , BUT THE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE SPIRIT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.]
CLEAR ENOUGH? God bless you Jamie.
By: brofromzion on April 28, 2008
at 8:42 pm
Ahahahaha you are quite deluded aren’t you? Yes the Holy Spirit is a person, but He is still a Spirit.
If the Holy Spirit is called a Spirit, how then can He be a human man? How can a human man be like oil, fire, wind, rain, and a dove? He must be a slippery person, have a bad temper, be tempestous, a wet blanket and also like to run away easily. Hahahaha! What an imperfect man! You’ve obviously never met the Holy Spirit before nor felt His touch.
You really can never make me guilty or convince me because I have a real relationship with the Holy Spirit. Yours is a fake. I’ve felt His touch, heard Him speak, known His guidance and have His witness in my heart. What has yours done for you? Lol.
Honestly, the only one blaspheming, grieving and insulting the Holy Spirit is CoG. How dare you reduce Him to the form of a mortal man?!? Yet if you were to turn away from those false teachings, the Spirit of Grace would welcome you and lead you to the true face of Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior, who is coming soon. If you persist in being deceived by the devil, then I have nothing to say to you.
Truly, I pity you. You have nothing, while I have everything, and yet I would give you what I have, but you reject it.
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on April 28, 2008
at 9:03 pm
God bless you COGinator. So what about you, COGinator, have you been persecuted by unbelievers before in God’s name? Did they throw stones at you? Did you get any scars or stitches? Do you have brain damage (beyond the good scrubbing that Satan gave ya)? Because unless you’re really a wimpy sissy, I don’t think you’ve been persecuted!! So what’s that makes you? Because according to you, COGinator, unbelievers must hurt you first before you could say that you really follow Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Do you have to be also crucifed like Jesus to be His followers? Your opinion is very funny because you don’t even understand what you are talking about and it’s because you, COGinator, being ignorant of the truth of the Bible. What do you think your doing to Church of God. Aren’t you persecuting them VERBALLY by HARASSING Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother and their followers VERBALLY? Do I have to put the meaning of the word PERSECUTE from your own dictionary?
Also, you said that my truth fail? Then you just admitted that the Bible fail because I follow God’s teaching in the Bible. It’s not my truth, it’s God’s truth that I follow according to His words, the Bible. COGinator, next time, can you make a righteous judgement according to the Bible instead of making your own opinion, your fixed idea of persecuting Church of God.
COGinator admitted the Bible fail = COGinator enjoyed Satan’s good scrubbing so he would harass God’s people.
Church of God follows ALL God’s commandments, wills, feast, customs and laws according to the Bible = Church of God LOVES GOD.
By: brofromzion on April 28, 2008
at 9:54 pm
God bless you Jamie. If you want me to believe you, then prove it through the Bible. It is the basis for ALL God’s truth. God bless you Jamie.
By: brofromzion on April 28, 2008
at 10:07 pm
Everything you want to know is written in the Bible!!
Why do you want to know through the Men’s oppinion??
please find out the truth through the Bible.
Even though Sunday service and Cross and Christ mas and so on…is not written in the Bible but traditions of Church!! But many people still follow as God’s commandments. But when we talk about the Truth which is written in the Bible(God’s Word) they denied it! Why?? Church’s Traditions are more important than God’s Commandments???
By: The Truth on April 29, 2008
at 6:32 am
Is sunday service cross cristmas so on… written in the Bible?? Whrer???
By: The Truth on April 29, 2008
at 6:35 am
YOU THINIK WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK LIKE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE THERE ARE TO KINDS OF PEOPLE THOSE WHO BELONG TO GOD AN THOSE WHO DONT SO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE JUDGEING MOTHER AN SAYING WERE IN A CULT ILL BE LAUGHING WEN YALL R BURNING IN HELL
GOD BLESS YOU
By: SARAH on April 29, 2008
at 7:47 am
Hi Sarah,
So you will be laughing in heaven at people burned in hell? What kind of heaven is that?
What is the difference between you and them? both sides say they are right, the other is wrong, my god is greater than your god.
If the main goal of religion is just to go to ‘heaven’, be ‘saved’, ‘salvation ‘ by keeping passover, believe in the second coming jesus ahnsahnghong.. then you are really wasting you and your loved ones life.
Life is really not a problem to be solved, it is not a ‘shadow’, earth is not ‘jail’, life is a reality to be experienced and it is beautiful and perfect as it is.
By: justin on April 29, 2008
at 12:07 pm
Hi The Truth,
Do you follow god’s commandements as per christian bible ? Do you perform human sacrifice? circumcision? do you stone people to death if they dont keep sabath? do you eat flesh and drink blood? do you have slave at home? do you burn the non-believers? is genocide ok? the list go on..
What we need is to focus on morality and humanity not on rituals and festivals.
By: justin on April 29, 2008
at 12:18 pm
After reading all the posts and sources from the oficial website, in my opinion, world mission church of god main goal is only ‘recruitment’ and ‘fund raising’. It is like a sophisticated MLM (multi level marketing).
By: justin on April 29, 2008
at 12:23 pm
God bless you justin. We live as pilgrims on earth, longing for the heavenly home. Being clothed in flesh in this visible and finite world, our hearts become easily absorbed in outward things, so that we cannot think of the spiritual world. When we indulge in physical things, we can not understand God’s providence; we can’t grow in faith, and even the faith we have will gradually cool down. Our forefathers in faith tell us that the invisible world exists and it is the eternal world.
2 Corinthians 4:18 [So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.]
John 3:12 Jesus said to them [“I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”]
Like Jesus’ word, men cannot fathom God’s great will. Most people believe the things that occur in the visible world, but they can hardly believe the invisible world. There are not many who live in the hope for heaven, because it is the spiritual and invisible world. Then if we are here on Earth and this is only temporary, why are we here anyway? Let’s look at the Bible and see what God did to King of Tyre.
Ezekiel 28:12-17 [“Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: ” ‘You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and YOU SINNED. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. SO I THREW YOU TO THE EARTH; I made a spectacle of you before kings.]
King of Tyre, a guardian cherub, was thrown to the Earth by God because he sinned? Now it’s clear that all of us are here on Earth because of sin. Now what is the punishment of sin:
Romans 6:23 [For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.]
Romans 5:12 [Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.]
Death is the punishment of sin and we all sinned since we are all on Earth, it also says that God’s gift is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord, because He came to save what was lost:
Luke 19:10 [For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.]
Ephesians 1:7 [In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace.]
Now through Jesus blood, our sins can be forgiven. Did Jesus gave us a way to receive it?
Luke 22:7-8 [THEN CAME THE DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD ON WHICH THE PASSOVER LAMB HAD TO BE SACRIFICE. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the PASSOVER.”]
Luke 22:19-20 [And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.]
John 6:53 [Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, UNLESS YOUR EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD HAS ETERNAL LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.]
However, the Passover was abolished at the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. At that time, the Passover completely disappeared from the world. Who on earth can have eternal life as the truth of life was abolished? Therefore, Jesus said that He would come a second time to restore the Passover.
Hebrews 9:28 [so CHRIST was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and HE WILL APPEAR A SECOND TIME, NOT TO BEAR SIN, BUT TO BRING SALVATION to those who are waiting for him.]
Ahnsahnghong restored the Passover of the new covenant that had been abolished by Satan. Then, who do you think Ahnsahnghong is?
Isaiah 25:6-9 [On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, A BANQUET OF AGED WINE-THE BEST OF MEATS AND THE FINEST OF WINES. On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; HE WILL SWALLOW UP DEATH FOREVER. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken. In that day they will say, “SURELY THIS IS OUR GOD; we trusted in him, and HE SAVED US. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”]
Clearly, Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, who brought back Passover of the new covenant just as Jesus promised eternal life through His body and blood. So if the visible world is temporary, when it will end? Shall we look at the Bible.
Revelations 7:1-3 [After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. THEN I SAW ANOTHER ANGEL COMING UP FROM THE EAST, HAVING THE SEAL OF THE LIVING GOD. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “DO NOT HARM THE LAND OR THE SEA OR THE TREES UNTIL WE PUT A SEAL ON THE FOREHEADS OF THE SERVANTS OF OUR GOD.”]
God bless you justin.
By: brofromzion on April 29, 2008
at 4:43 pm
Hi Brofromzion!. Welcome back!.
Please answer my questions about Mother Jerusalem.
What is her name, how old is she, does she have families and how did she get inolved in this religion.
Thank you so much.. still.. awaiting for your response.
By: donnie on April 29, 2008
at 5:11 pm
God bless you Sarah. Please humble yourself. Let’s keep preaching the truth to those who are lost and seeking God’s truth and God will be happy just as He testified in the Bible through some of His Parables in the Bible.
Parable of the Lost Sheep
Luke 15:1-7 [Now the tax collectors and “sinners” were all gathering around to hear him. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.]
Parable of the Lost Coin
Luke 15:8-10 [“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”]
Parable of the Lost Son
Luke 15:11-32 [Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.
“Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.’ So he got up and went to his father. “But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him. “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate. “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’ “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’ ” ‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ “]
God bless you Sarah.
By: brofromzion on April 29, 2008
at 5:18 pm
Bozofromzoion said “…because I follow God’s teaching in the Bible.”
Let me correct you, if you wouldn’t mind…and I really want you to think abou this.
You don’t follow all God’s teaching in the Bible. You follow all the “Cult’s” Teaching in the bible. You follow all thier teaching USING the bible. Not what the bible is teaching. There is a differnence…And if you weren’t brainwashed you would see it.
Try this exercise. Make up some leagalistic teaching that you know God really doesn’t want you to have do. Such as raise your arms in the air when you pray. Now search through the bible and find scripture that could possible relate to that that teaching. If you can’t find the exact words then create a new meaning. You know what I mean, like when the CoG made up the word Clouds to mean Flesh.
See if you can do it. Then who knows, maybe they will raise you to a god Status.
By the way, it was very un Christ like to call me a sissy…knowing I’ve never been persecuted. Did you know I have family members that were in the Nazi concentration camps. Let me tell you…that’s real persecution.
Disagreeing with your doctine is disagreeing…not persecution.
By: COGInator on April 29, 2008
at 9:01 pm
God bless you COGinator. So what’s up. You still wanna harass Church of God and their followers like what your doing to me right now. So what’s the truth of God? Can you show me through the Bible? Let’s see who follows God’s commandments.
Church of God follows ALL God’s commandments according to the Bible. We keep the Passover of the new covenant on it’s appointed time just as Jesus Christ did and He said do this in remembrance of Him and He promised eternal life in His body and blood. We keep the Sabbath day as Jesus custom. We keep ALL God’s feast just as prophecied in the Bible about God’s mountain, Zion, where ALL God’s feast are celebrated. Our women wear veils when we worship God. We get baptized in the actual name of the God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We believe in the existence of Jerusalem Mother. We follow ALL the prophecies of the Bible.
So what are you so insecure about COGinator? Why don’t you prove that Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are cults through the Bible. Do you even know the role of the Second Coming of Christ? See your all you do is give your OWN OPINION and your not looking at the Bible. Your judging Church of God yet you couldn’t prove through the Bible that were wrong? Who are you to judge someone? Shouldn’t we all based everything in the Bible before we say something against someone’s belief? Now if your reading the Bible and you see that were making a wrong interpretation, then correct me if I’m wrong. But don’t just judge someone by the apperance. Make a righteous judgement according to the Bible. That also goes to all other denominations. Bible is the basis for everything as far as following God. God bless you COGinator.
By: brofromzion on April 29, 2008
at 10:41 pm
I’m Church of God Member. Church of God is very good Church. Because the Church only follows the teaching of true God. And because of Member’s good behavior, the government give it many rewards.
By: cham on April 29, 2008
at 11:33 pm
I’m wondering Jamie’s word is true or false.
But…
One thing is sure we don’t have to hear those who keep the teaching of man like Sunday service, Christmas worship
Because they can’t recognize God and truth through the man’s teaching.
By: happylife on April 29, 2008
at 11:35 pm
Really~~ what is the truth of God?
If you follow the truth of God please show me your truth through the Bible !!
By: The Truth on April 30, 2008
at 12:13 am
Funny, when you write God Bless you, Bozofromzion, it reads more like F U. Maybe it’s just me. (or we could take a vote on it).
Either way…
…All my opinions are from the bible as it’s been taught to me from multiple denominations and multiple sources. With out even siteing a single biblical reference I can absolutely affirm that the intent on Jesus’ teachings is to not be leagalistic and to show to grace to each other as God does to us. From your postings I can see that your doctirne has neither. Furthermore, Jesus warned us about false religions, false prophets, and false idols. It’s because of that, I can clearly see that CoG is not doing Gods work.
You want proof…it’s in the bible. I suggest you read from front to end without skipping around at all. I’ll let you find the references as they are not hidden and don’t need cult leader to unlock them to understand.
By the way you want proof MJ is not a God…cut her and see if he/she bleeds. (I just have to look at that man made electronic device called a hearing aid to know she aint no god. It doesn’t say in the bible to use a man made healing device. God should do all the healings….my God does!!)
By: COGInator on April 30, 2008
at 12:03 pm
God bless you COGinator. Okay so how can you say that your opinion is right? You said that your opinion is from the Bible but you don’t even reference it and there are so many denominations out there. So what about Seventh Day Adventist, their opinion is from the Bible. Jehovah Witness, Born Again Christians, Billy Graham church, Baptist, Pietism, Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism, Catholics and I know that they use the Apocrypha version of the Bible and they claim that any other Christian denominations are Protestants because they think that Protestants take away books from the Bible (the Canon version is the one we all use except Catholics), Mormons. Who are you to judge Church of God and other churches? Shouldn’t we all based it in the Bible instead of what your doing right now, making your OWN JUDGEMENT against Church of God. Because everytime I preach to someone, even in this blog, I reference it in the Bible. So how can we find out what is true church that Jesus Christ established. What are the things that God wants us to keep? Everybody believe in God, so is everybody gonna be save?. He wants us to keep his commandments right? Because according to Jesus in the Bible, those who keep God’s commandments are the ones who love Him.
John 14:15-21 [“If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. WHOEVER HAS MY COMMANDS AND OBEYS THEM, HE IS THE ONE WHO LOVE ME. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”]
John 5:41-42 [I do not accept praise from men, but I know you. I know that you do not have the love(commandments) of God in your hearts.]
Is this clear to you COGinator? Jesus Christ clearly said that He do not accept praise from men. He wants us to follow His commandments. Anyone can say “Lord, I love you with all my heart and I accept you as my personal savior” but if they don’t follow God’s commandments, then He/She don’t really love God. It’s clear straight from the Bible. Should I put more proof from the BIBLE?
James 2:14-26 [What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONE GOD. GOOD! EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE THAT-AND SHUDDER. YOU FOOLISH MAN, DO YOU WAN EVIDENCE THAT FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS USELESS? WAS NOT OUR ANCESTOR ABRAHAM CONSIDERED RIGHTEOUS FOR WHAT HE DID WHEN HE OFFERED HIS SON ISAAC ON THE ALTER? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS DEAD.
Matthew 7:21-27 [“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ “THEREFORE EVERYONE WHO HEARS THESE WORDS OF MINE AND PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE IS LIKE A WISE MAN who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. BUT EVERYONE WHO HEARS THESE WORDS OF MINE AND DOES NOT PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE IS LIKE A FOOLISH MAN who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”]
Do you understand these COGinator? You said that you read the Bible but you don’t practice the commandments of God. So do you really love God even if you believe in Him and have just faith? God bless you COGinator.
By: brofromzion on April 30, 2008
at 3:55 pm
God bless you COGinator. You said:
“Furthermore, Jesus warned us about false religions, false prophets, and false idols. It’s because of that, I can clearly see that CoG is not doing Gods work.”
There are prophecies that Jesus Christ is to come again to bring the salvation to those who are waiting for Him and I’ll explain to you one of the prophecies that must be fulfill in order to be the Second Coming Christ. Do you know when is Jesus Christ Second Coming? It’s probably in the Bible doesn’t it.
Matthew 24:3-4 [As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING and of the end of the age?” Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I AM THE CHRIST,’ and will deceive many.]
Matthew 24:24-25 [For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.]
Here, we can clearly see that Jesus Christ will come again as Christ meaning God in flesh. So when it will happen? Only through the Word of God we can find out because He is the only One who knows. Let’s look at the BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD.
Matthew 24:32-33 [“NOW LEARN THIS LESSON FROM THE FIG TREE: AS SOON AS ITS TWIGS GET TENDER AND ITS LEAVES COME OUT, YOU KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NEAR. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.]
Jesus said, “as soon as it’s twigs get tender and it’s leaves come out, you know that it is near”, then, we have to find out when will the fig tree bloom and therefore understand the timing of Jesus’ second appearing.
In order to realize the meaning of the parable we must understand what the fig tree represents. As it is written,
Luke 13:6-7 [Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’]
Why did Jesus compare Himself to a man who when to look for fruit on a fig tree planted in a vineyard?What is the meaning of this? It’s meaning is that Jesus preached the gospel to the Israelites for three years searching for the fruit of the gospel. Therefore, the fig tree represents for the country of Israel.
Isa 5:7, KJV [For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.]
In the above verse we can understand that in the Bible the vineyard represents the country of Israel and the plant (the tree) represents the people of Israel. Let’s look at another biblical testimony concerning this.
Jer. 24:5 {Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.}
Through this verse God makes it apparent that figs represent Israel, since He compared the figs to the people of Israel once more.
In Luke 13:7 Jesus told His disciples to cut down a fig that had not borne any fruit. Actually Jesus’ words at that time was a prophesy of what was going to happen to Israel. As a fulfillment to what Jesus had said, Israel which had rejected the gospel that Jesus preached was completely devastated by Roman soldiers in A.D. 70. After it’s collapse, the people were scattered all over the world as a stateless people for more than 1900 years.
After much time had passed, the fig tree that had been cut down and withered from the roots began to bloom once more. It’s twigs got tender and its leaves began to sprout. When did all this happen? The revival of the fig tree occurred in 1948. On May 14, 1948, Israel proclaimed her independence and recovered her sovereignty. The fig tree which seemed to have with no sign of revival actually resuscitated. Israel’s independence after such a long time of captivity marked the second coming of Jesus as prophesied. He has come again but with the name Christ Ahnsahnghong. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one we all have been waiting for. That is why the Church of God received Christ Ahnsahnghong, the second coming Jesus, as the Savior.
Rom 11:26 [26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ”The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.]
According to the prophesy revealed through the fig tree, Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, came from Zion in 1948.
God bless you COGinator.
By: brofromzion on April 30, 2008
at 5:47 pm
clap clap clap The end. What a well fabricated story with reference to the Bible. How many books does your bible contain?
Looks like the story is only based on Ahsahnghong’s figs, twigs ….and then begins Mother.J episode.
The Bible makes it clear that Jesus was God in human flesh, second person of the Holy Trinity, who lived a sinless life on earth and died as a sacrifice for the sins of the world
This Jesus of the COG cult is not the Jesus of the Bible or else it would not have to play such a simple role of bringing the passover.
“The plain truth is that this is another of Satan’s attempts to keep the God-fearing people from learning the truth of Jehovah and His Son Christ Jesus”
Did the COG jesus live a sinless life and die for our sins or his own? Hmm . If not why is it so difficult to reveal his History.
I can understand you have been assigned a job of posting just the material handed down to you by the super Apostle and seal your lips with respect to his personal life a simple question that has been placed before so many by others here on this board and is ignored. You think these lengthy post will wash our grey matter.
Sorry, We aren’t the victims of this mind control technique that is used on people like you by COG on whom churches are built and false gods are worshipped.
Matthew 1:1-2A, 6, 16 [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: [2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, … [6] and Jesse the father of King David. [16] and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ who was baptized by John the Baptist
Now why don’t you prove Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother’s genealogy through the Bible just like the one above?
We are not interested in figs, veils, passover ……
C’mon prove it from the Bible. I presume it should be some Korean names as he had come from the East and born in the Buddhist family, the pastor who baptized him in the SDA, wife, kids names etc. etc
Just ….Go very carefully through the entire BIble okay. You seem to be a person having tremendous patience. Work a little harder in digging the history. Your rewards will be in heaven.
By: Jonah on April 30, 2008
at 8:40 pm
In a book it says the mom stated “You can’t see what a mess your room is.” In another instance, she cannot find her toothbrush and her daddy said “it’s because your blind as a bat.”
The CoG would claim this is proof that she has to wear glasses. Where as everone else would cleary see it’s not about the glasses as it is about paying attention.
CoG, you can read word for word and not understand the bible. 1/3 of the world can’t be wrong and only you be right.
So let’s not talk about me an my understanding of whan the bible teaches. Let’s focus on what we all have a problem with. It’s not that you choose to follow all the OT ritutuals because you love God. It’s that you preach you have to follow them or your a bad Christian.
Jesus said in James 2:14-26 [What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?] He didn’t say all deeds. He didn’t define the deeds. I agree if you claim to be a christian, but you don’t act like one than it’s not authentic. following the leagalities of the Jews just because Jesus was jewish isn’t what the bible is teaching.
Let’s leave it here because I know we won’t agree. You feel that all the ritual has to be proven and I believe it’s what’s truley in my heart. I haven’t found proof in the bible, despite all the long postings you and all your CoG Sisters have posted, that God indeed wanted us to be ritualistic robots. For me (and the vast majority of Christians) it’s in black and white what we can do to show our love to God, and not what we must do.
Let’s turn the talks back, not to the rituals, as that’s not the crux of what is wrong about the CoG, but about the Cult Leader Mother J. (have you cut her yet?)
By: COGInator on April 30, 2008
at 9:41 pm
Ok, here’s a question for you cog people: Why do you not observe the sabbath as required in the 1st test. (sundown Friday to Sundown Sat)? Why do you not follow the 400+ laws of the Torah? HMMMMMMMMMMMM
By: question everything on May 1, 2008
at 1:39 am
Good question…
Do Chuch of God Members eat pork? I bet they do because Pork is a very popular food item in Korea.
By: COGInator on May 1, 2008
at 6:53 am
After reading through some posts, I just couldn’t help but to add on, although I did say that I was not going to intervene.
Wouldn’t it be correct to say that in order to observe the Passover “the way Jesus did”, one would have to convert to Judaism, unless, this person is of Jewish descent?
There are laws set for non jews and if COG claims to participate in such a thing, then, they are breaking that law.
However, if they claim that it is not quite the same as the Passover that Jesus observed, then it is not the Passover but a made up ritual that falls between the Jewish Passover and Easter. This ritual is not quite the Jewish holiday nor the Christian holiday. If it were the real Passover in which Jesus observed, Koreans and any other non-Jew would not be able to participate.
This is something created to separate themselves from Easter and the real Passover, in which Jesus had no one eating with him but Jews…no gentiles present.
By: Dark Angel on May 1, 2008
at 11:02 am
Lastly, if a COG member can post where it says that gentiles CAN participate in the Passover, that would be great. If you claim that “Jesus fulfilled” some kind of prophecy that allows gentiles to observe the Passover, then, it would go against the law thatt is said to be forever/eternal.
Also, it wouldn’t make any sense because Jesus did not have any Gentiles at the table eating with him, and if he did, the Gentile would have to get circumcized and convert to Judaism. So it would appear that Jesus did not break that law in regards to Gentiles.
We all can find scripture where it says that the law is forever, now where is the scripture that says that it is ok for Gentiles to participate in the Passover “the way Jesus observed it”.
By: Dark Angel on May 1, 2008
at 12:46 pm
Coginator, that’s one of the 400+ laws I was talking about…..why can’t they see that they are being taken advantage of in the name of giving cashola to mj, nothing more, nothing less
By: question everything on May 1, 2008
at 8:14 pm
Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law but fulfill it. see Matthew 5:17-18
“It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the “Sabbath day” requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded upon a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not here suggest that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament record (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). Consider the following points.
Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term “kataluo,” literally meaning to “loose down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., to “render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”
It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “…not to abolish, but to fulfill.” The meaning is this. Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, he revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience, or else imposed a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10,13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.
If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, as it did before Christ came, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what he came “to do.” On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish what he came to accomplish, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ, and thus remains as a binding legal system for today, then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus’ death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.”
found on: http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html
By: COGInator on May 1, 2008
at 9:46 pm
Cham said: “I’m Church of God Member. Church of God is very good Church. Because the Church only follows the teaching of true God. And because of Member’s good behavior, the government give it many rewards.”
LMAO. CHAM buddy, you are exactly why COG members are total retards.
By: lmao@Cham on May 1, 2008
at 11:13 pm
Hi COGinator,
Hey man, I some what see your point on “abolish” and “fulfilled”. Yet, there are still aspects that are confusing me.
Example:
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“12:14 This day must be one that you will remember. You must keep it as a festival to God for all generations. It is a law for all time that you must celebrate it.”
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So would Jesus “fulfilment” of this mean that the Passover wouldn’t have to be observed?
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“12:24 ‘You must keep this ritual as a law, for you and your children forever.”
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Why say forever? Why not say, “until it is fulfilled”? It sort of take the meaning out of forever if Jesus fulfilled it and is said to be no longer binding.
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12:45 [But if a gentile is] a temporary resident or a hired hand, he may not eat [the Passover sacrifice].
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How would this have been fulfilled by Jesus? This doesn’t sound like anything to be fulfilled, it sounds more like a simple law.
I’m just trying to get a better understanding of it. In many of my proboard posts, you can see where I ask what the heck does “fulfill” means, well according to laws that is, so I’m seriously not trying to challenge you, bro.
:-)
I understand fulfillment of prophecy, but when it come to rules and laws, i’m not too sure on the idea of that.
Basically, the Bible speak of some laws that Jesus fulfilled. The Torah contains 613 laws, how many laws were fulfilled by Jesus if the Bible does not indicate that he fulfilled all 613 laws?
If he did fulfill all 613, there would be no reason for Jews to not see him as the Messiah.
By the way, members of the COG are observing “Prayer Week”. The go to church early morning and back in the afternoon for 10 days, so don’t expect to hear from them for a little while.
By: Dark Angel on May 2, 2008
at 1:46 am
This CoG member posted more repeat nonsense.
Is all that they can think of objections to Sunday worship, the cross and Easter? How shallow their thinking is.
A good tree bears good fruit. Looks like the kind of tree that produces these CoG members is a broken record.
CoG = FAIL
By: GOD=not cult on May 2, 2008
at 11:22 am
Well Dark Angel, let me try and explain this using what I have gained so far from bible school: Regarding the Passover Jesus fulfilled it forever as He sacrificed Himself as the passover lamb.
1) We do not need to observe the passover in that form any longer.
2) It says forever because we are to observe it in the new form forever
3) Yes Gentiles still cannot observe the passover to this day
Let me address everything with this explanation: When Jesus Christ went to the cross, He went as the Passover offering. His offering was accepted before God forever, thus He fulfilled the part about us having to kill a lamb during the feast. Instead of observing it in the old form, we now observe the Passover when we remember Christ our Lord in a number of ways: One is through thanksgiving and remembrance of His sacrifice (for example by celebrating Easter and using it as a time to preach the Gospel). This fulfills the requirements of the feast (standing up with sandals as if they were ready to leave speaks of our readiness to share the Gospel at any moments). When we eat Holy Communion, we are partaking of Jesus’ flesh and blood; we are in essence eating the Passover Lamb. Thus, we are celebrating the feast in the new manner rather than the old. This is why Jesus’ instituted the Communion as part of the new covenant: to fulfill the requirement of the Passover.
Why it is written “forever” instead of “until it is fulfilled”? Because until the end of time we will always be commanded to observe Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross and preach His death and resurrection to the unsaved. Perhaps we will continually offer praises for Jesus’ sacrifce when we are in heaven, but who knows? :)
Why is it that it says the gentiles or foreigners cannot partake of the Passover and why can we now partake of it when we are not Israelites? Going back to ancient times, in God’s eyes there were two types of people: God’s children Israel and those who were not God’s children, the Gentiles. That means you and I. To allow unbelievers uncommitted to observe God’s holy laws to partake in something as sacred as the Passover would be a terrible sin as it would render the act of the celebration and remembrance common and profane. Paul says in the bible that we should not partake of the communion in an unworthy manner (forgot which verse sorry), and in the same way God could not allow the unbelievers to partake of it in an unworthy manner; in an attitude bereft of reverence, respect and thanksgiving.
So why can we now partake of the Passover, though we are Gentiles? The bible says that those who have believed in Jesus Christ and proclaimed Him as their Lord have received an adoption (I think it’s in Romans or Hebrews, sorry I can’t remember exactly) into God’s family. We are now Abraham’s spiritual children, and in the sight of God, His children now. We can therefore be part of the Passover celebration.
Hope that clears your doubts :)
I’m pretty certain the CoG understands absolutely NOTHING of this. That’s why they constantly harp on observing the proper passover, rail against communion as a man-made ritual, etc.
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on May 2, 2008
at 2:45 pm
Jamie,
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it. Your examples helped as well. I’ve read and heard all sorts of reasons why Jesus did or did not fulfill prophecy or the laws.
To be honest, I can understand why the Jews believe what they do about Jesus, but that’s another story for another forum.
Cancel that breakdown, COGinator. I’m all set. :-)
By: Dark Angel on May 2, 2008
at 4:13 pm
GOD=not cult,
What would you call person who detests other people that lies, cheats, and steals, only for this person to lie to his wife perhaps? Cheats on his wife perhaps?, and steal money from his wife?
(the example above is not directed at Ahnsahnghong, but the one below is)
What kind of person is this to condemn others, only for him to do the things that he detest?
This is a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
According to http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite
this person is a Hypocrite.
It’s weird how God detest idols and people who worshipped idols in the bible, so much.
He even killed alot of them for doing so too.
Only to come and worship golden statues, something that he killed other people for doing. We have a guy that is said to be God, bowing down and praising another God (Buddah).
He worshipped Buddah for perhaps half of his life. Thousands of people have died for worshipping golden statues and here comes God, doing the same thing.
Sounds like a hypocrite to me. Wouldn’t you agree?
What kind of example is he setting here? It would also appear those people who worshipped idols, died for no reason because he broke his own rule.
Unless you want to say that he “fulfilled” it.
But hey, I guess it’s ok for God to worship another God. Afterall, he’s God, he can do what he wants.
By: Dark Angel on May 2, 2008
at 4:51 pm
Dark Angel: You’re welcome :) Here’s more about the Passover that we observe in spirit according to Paul.
1 Corinthians 5: 7-8 New King James Version
Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Here Paul instructs the Corinthians on certain attitudes needed to observe the Passover. However, he is not talking about literally observing the Passover with real lambs and all, but is talking about how believers as people of the new covenant should observe the spirit of the Passover where Christ died that we might be sanctified and made holy before God, that His judgment would turn away. So this is a way we always celebrate the Passover.
Furthermore, we must always ask for forgiveness and repent of our wrongdoings whenever we commit them, and it’s best if it’s done daily or whenever they occur. In doing so we again observe the Passover, in that there is acknowledgment that Christ Jesus died so that we would not be condemned and touched by the angel of death (for the wages of sin is death, says the book of Romans).
And I agree totally with your statements! What kind of God would condemn bowing down to idols and yet live 30 odd years of his life or more doing the same thing he condemns? What a loser god that is!!
By: Jamie on May 2, 2008
at 5:26 pm
Hi brofromzion and other world mission church of god members!
Why no-one can answer these very simple and basic questions about ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
What is her name, how old is she, does she have families (children?, husband?) and how did she get inolved in this religion.
Thank you so much, and happy ascension day!.
By: donnie on May 2, 2008
at 5:56 pm
Dark Angel said “Cancel that breakdown, COGinator. I’m all set. :-)
Good, I don’t think I could have explained it as well as Jamie…saved by the bell!
By: COGInator on May 2, 2008
at 9:12 pm
Hallo
Who is liar???
Do you know??
1 John 2:1-5 [My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense–Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him]
According to the Bible there are two kind of Laws~~
Which law do you follow??
By: The Truth on May 2, 2008
at 9:13 pm
Dark Angel said, “He worshipped Buddah for perhaps half of his life.”
My discussions with my CoG friend point out that no where is it written or assumed that Ahnsahnghong actually was a Buddist, only that he came from Buddist parents. He said just because your parents practice a particlular religion doesn’t mean you have to. While I conceeded the point I also pointed out that while it’s possible he didn’t partake in any buddist rituals, it’s not very probable. It sure would be fun to find a picture of a young Ahnsahnghong bowing down the to the big belly.
By: COGInator on May 2, 2008
at 9:19 pm
COGinator,
That’s just BS and I woudn’t see that happening. A child is born into the religion the parents are into. Even as children, we have no choice in the matter, until perhaps, when we become young adults. So, for them to say that he was born unto Buddhist parents but was never a Buddhist, well of course they wouldn’t write about it, because it wouldn’t support their theology of him “not having faith”.
I don’t see how he did not worship Buddah unless he was some type of spoiled disobedient kid who controlled his parents and did whatever the heck he wanted.
So he just stood around tapping his feet while his parents prayed and worshipped Buddah? Yeaa….
I have never met or heard of anyone having the choice to NOT be a part of whatever religion their parents are a part of as a kid…and this is America where things are not that strict.
That’s not proper parenting for one, especially for Koreans where family is number one value.
Asians are very strict when it comes to preserving their ancient customs and traditions and Buddism is a part .
Take a look at the garments Mother Jerusalem wears, that is traditon being preserved. Their theology has a hint of korean traditons blended in.
Here’s some basic information on the South Korean culture and traditons:
http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/south-korea-country-profile.html
It just wouldn’t be possible for Ahnsahnghong to be such a “rebel” that he did not subscribe to the same religious beliefs that his parents were.
No child has that much authority over their parents at such an early age in ANY culture or household.
By: Dark Angel on May 3, 2008
at 6:40 am
It’s best to get information from someone who is Korean. I happened to have a friend that is and they are very honorable and respectful towards their parents.
They wouldn’t have dared not oppose on what ever choice they parent made for them, in their childhood, like most children in most cultures.
For most, once they reach about the age of 20-21, most tend to grow into their own person. Meaning, like most young adults in most cultures, their parents have little say on things like religious beliefs.
So what did this guy do, move out at the age of 5 and decided that he wasn’t going to listen to his parents anymore?
Whatever……
By: Dark Angel on May 3, 2008
at 7:57 am
Would a COG member please answer Donnie’s questions before it gets lost in the upcoming posts?
Please…
By: Dark Angel on May 3, 2008
at 8:33 am
Dark Angel,
either world mission church of god members does not want to answer Donnie’s questions or they do not know the answer. So frustrating when it is in fact such a simple valid questions.
This so called ‘church’ is nothing but an elaborated business masked as a ‘religion’, pretending they are true church, the one and only way to salvation, members being prosectuted. In reality they are the one prosecuting all other religions. Their doctrins are arrogant and does not relate to humanity at all.
By teaching absolutism and creating fear using limited eschatology, members are tied up spending most (if not all) of their time, energy, effort only for the group. This is the problem that most loved ones outside this group are facing and can break relationships. Trust me on this, this is from my personal experience.
All the characteristics of a cult is self evident in world mission church of god ahnsahnghong.
I’ve just realised that i’ve just burried Donnie’s question deeper.. sorry Donnie. Here’s Donnies question again – copied & pasted:
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Donnie:
Why no-one can answer these very simple and basic questions about ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
What is her name, how old is she, does she have families (children?, husband?) and how did she get inolved in this religion.
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By: justin on May 3, 2008
at 9:38 am
We should believe Christ through the Bible.
But 2000 years ago Jews did not focus on Christ’s prophecy .
They were just persecuting Jesus is just man
They said “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, I came down from heaven?
Nowadays who are the people like Jews 2000 years ago?
By: happylife on May 3, 2008
at 9:54 pm
happylife said “Nowadays who are the people like Jews 2000 years ago?”
Okay, I’ll play your silly little game. Who are they?
By: COGInator on May 3, 2008
at 10:09 pm
Happy Life,
Please answer Donnie’s question. Would someone from the COG answer Donnie’s question and stop ignoring it?
This is what he asked:
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Hi brofromzion and other world mission church of god members!
Why no-one can answer these very simple and basic questions about ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
What is her name, how old is she, does she have families (children?, husband?) and how did she get inolved in this religion.
Thank you so much, and happy ascension day!.
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answer it!
By: Dark Angel on May 3, 2008
at 11:26 pm
Failure to answer Donnie’s question in full within the next 24hrs or an attempt to post another subject by any CoG member will be a complete and total admission that the WSMCOG is a cult and a fraud of a Christian Church!!!!
Tic Toc, Tic Toc, Tic Toc!
By: COGInator on May 5, 2008
at 1:10 pm
You heard it folks! If no one answers “Donnie’s” questions (Jamie in disguise), then the COG is a cult.
Do you think no one is answering because they do not know the answer?
Matthew 7:6 — “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
By: marcus on May 5, 2008
at 1:27 pm
Man, you are one to jump into conspiracy theories. I am me, donnie is donnie.
So by your logic and reasoning from that verse you should never preach the gospel of Ang Sahn Hong to anyone who resists the teachings initially even if, a while down the road, that person is finally convinced of the message?
Anyway, your understanding of that verse is flawed. It does not refer to sharing the gospel, because that is for all men no matter how doggish or swinish they are. It refers to the more hidden spiritual things that non-believers and shallow believers would not understand, tend to criticize and end up discouraging you like your dreams, visions and what God has spoken to you about your situation.
By: Jamie on May 5, 2008
at 4:51 pm
Marcus said “Do you think no one is answering because they do not know the answer?”
That very well could be. Of course if that’s why, the next obvious quesiton is why would anyone chooose to follow someone they have absolutely no flipping idea about? She claims to be a god. Wouldn’t it make sense to check out the claim even a little bit…or is it easier to blindly follow because you fell for the 1+1= 2 and 2+2 = 4 so clearly 1+1=4 gospel? Don’ t answer it…it’s retorical and somone needs to anser Donnie’s question. Tic Toc…Tic Toc…
By: COGInator on May 5, 2008
at 9:20 pm
Thank you so much for all the response. Just so that all of you aware, i am still monitoring this. Thanks again for your support.
I really want to know who is this heavenly mother and ahnsahnghong.
Justifying someone is GOD using the christian bible, torah, quran, faith, mind control, brainwashing or even logic etc.. that is totally a different question/ discussion and easily debatable.
All i need is really simple, no need to quote the bible. I just want to know who they are as a person.. that’s all.
By: donnie on May 6, 2008
at 12:50 pm
Hi everyone. To all Church of God members, you haven’t answered my question. Please can someone post the study of Daniel’s Prophecy here on this blog. Actually, I kept reading about it and I found something about the 4 kingdoms that was talked about in Daniel. Here’s so far what I have seen:
First kingdom = Babylon
Second kingdom = Media and Persia
Third kingdom = Greece
Fourth kingdom = Rome
I try reseaching about these four kingdoms and it looks like Daniel’s Prophecy describes how these kingdoms will rise. Like Babylon, it was conquered by Media and Persia then Greece came out to take over Media and Persia then Rome take over Greece and it is pretty much just the way it is prophecied in the Bible. So if the fourth kingdom is Rome, then Rome has something to do with the Beast that has a name that is calculated to 666. Can it be one of the Pope? Actually, Rome was divided to 10 different kingdoms just as talked about in Daniel and Revelation:
Daniel 7:7 – After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.
Revelation 13:1 – And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Revelation 13:18 – This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.
Ten horns = Ten divided kingdoms.
So it already happened, the great tribulation, about the beast with 666. But I’d like the explanation of Church of God for these study. Please answer. Thanks.
By: Poland on May 6, 2008
at 6:21 pm
This is na active site! I look forward to your other one Jamie. It could be the answer to this one that I have found in my research: http://whoisahnsahnghong.com/blog/did-ahnsahnghong-ever-claim-to-be-christ/ they also have many of their beliefs here: http://english.watv.org/truth/fundam_sabbath.html
Does anyone know why the COG website seems to have stopped updating events in 2006?
And why you can’t access the books written by “Christ” Ahnsahnghong if you r not in the “Church”? You must believe before you can read what he has to say? That seems backwards.
Also, does anyone know what type of bread they make you eat when you get baptized? If someone brings it to you to eat does this make you part of the “Church”?
And, has anyone gotten “un-baptized’?
By: scarletfire on May 7, 2008
at 1:14 pm
Here’s a question for you cogers:
Why do you get people to come to your church under false pretenses? IE: COG member to old friend: “Hey, I haven’t seen you in so long, let’s meet for lunch/dinner, we’ll meet half way, here’s the directions……” None of these meetings went well as per the invitees, they were cornered into this unwillingly, needless to say, these 3 people didn’t join, they now refuse to have contact with said cog member. I’d call that an underhanded attempt at brainwashing.
I know this to be fact as it has happened to 3 people I personally know. So you can’t tell me this does not happen.
By: question everything on May 7, 2008
at 10:21 pm
Well obviously ‘Lamb’ is spiritual and not a physical meaning. How can God, Jesus, be an actual Lamb. He isn’t. It’s a spiritual meaning. Same with Mother/Bride. It’s in the same verse, both must be spiritual, right.
Did you forget, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one?
The Son is the Father, just different ages. The time of the Father was when Jesus Christ didn’t exist yet, the time of Jehovah God. Then Jesus Christ was born, and it was the time of the Son.
Jesus Christ died over 2000 years ago, we’re in a different age. The age of the Holy Spirit? what’s the name of the Holy Spirit?… We need to know, right.
….proveahnsahnghong.com
Check these verses out… They explain itself:
Gen 1:26
Gen 1:27
Rev 22:17
Rev 21:9-10
Rev 21:3
Gal 4:26
Bride isn’t in Jesus’ pants, come on..
GOD BLESS YOU
By: believer on May 8, 2008
at 8:16 am
To answer Donnie
We must use the bible to see who God, Mother Jerusalem and Ahnsahnghong is.
Without the Bible no one can tell you who God the mother, and 2nd Coming Christ is.
It’s not man’s word, but Gods= The Bible
By: believer on May 8, 2008
at 8:28 am
Oh my…do I vomit now or later from believer’s post…
…how about only posting if you have something valid to post about. We’ve all heard the cult speak too much…
We want Donnie’s question answered directly and not with the voodoo that you do so well.
Sorry, try again CoG
By: COGInator on May 8, 2008
at 11:15 am
One more thing to all you CoG members who post here.
Your brainwash tactic of redundantly posting the same spoon fed information over and over again, doesn’t work like it does in your marathon studies that you do 7 days a week.
Your niceness, friendliness, and kindness doesn’t come across in a blog comment, so we’re not vulnerable to swallowing your trash out our guilt not to be nice back.
You can post a million times that you believe Ahnsahnhong is the same as Jesus Christ in a new age and it doesn’t do anything to us who know your doctrine is false other than prove what we know as a manipulated bilbe interpretation.
So let’s save everyone time and energy and and agree that the CoG has an alternate and different view of the bible and it’s way in the minority compared to the mainstream Christian theology.
By: COGInator on May 8, 2008
at 11:26 am
Believer,
You’re basically saying that you know nothing about the woman and that she could not prove anything without the Bible, which many have proven themselves to be worshipped as a god, by using the same book.
Is she omniscient..no.
Is she omnipresent..no.
Is she omnipotent..no.
Exactly what about her is divine..nothing.
All she has to do is demonstrate her “godly powers” and we can skip the bible stuff and go straight to KNOWING that she is a god, screw believing.
Believer, if you are a guy, I have an example for you.
If a woman claimed that you are the father of her child, would you believe her or would you rather get the facts stating that you are?
Believing is taking someone’s word for it. I’m sure you would rather get the facts and physical proof.
Taking Mother Jerusalem’s “word” to her claim of being a god is not proof and just because she wants to use the bible doesn’t make it a fact because the ending results would only cause one to “believe”…not know.
How would you know? Did she demonstrate her omniscient nature?
You “believe” she is a god but you don’t “know”. You “have faith” in her. All of those are based on uncertainty.
Do you “believe” that snakes bite or do you “know”?
So all you’re saying is that an all-powerful god liker her, want peole to believe in things and not know. That’s backwards.
By: Dark Angel on May 8, 2008
at 12:01 pm
The bible is not a DNA result. You can not use the bible to pin point someone as being something that they are not demonstrating and claiming to be.
A hundred people can do that with the bible without having to prove a damn thing, a DNA result will only point to one person, which would be impossible for one hundred people to use the same result.
Anyone can use the bible to claim to be a god but no human has ever done anything to prove that they are and they can’t…ever.
They just offer a whole bunch of beliefs that gets Mother Jerusalem off the hook from proving anything. Once they “believe” they won’t test her..simple as that.
By: Dark Angel on May 8, 2008
at 12:28 pm
And there you see the heresy of the CoG people. Jesus Christ didn’t exist until He was born? You seem to be preaching a form of Arianism.
Please read your bible. The Word of God has always existed even before time began, and will always exist. It is through Him that the worlds were framed, so how can you claim that Jesus only existed after a certain time?
You silly CoG members don’t even understand the Trinity concept. You create some Unitarian concept and call it the trinity concept. Fools and blind, aren’t you? The Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are all DIFFERENT PERSONS of the Triune Godhead, BUT they are TOTALLY IN UNITY OF BEING AND AGREEMENT. They each have different roles, but are all sovereign as God. CoG claims that the Father and Jesus Christ are 100% the same. What a FAIL in exegesis!
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on May 9, 2008
at 1:02 am
There’s my favorite line: “CoG = Fail”!
By: COGInator on May 9, 2008
at 10:01 am
To all Church of God members, you haven’t answered my question. It’s located above. It’s about Daniel’s Prophecy, about the fourth kingdom and the name of the beast is calculated to 666. It’s really amazing how the Bible gives us the prophecy for 4 kingdoms that will rise on Earth. Please post the study. Thanks.
By: Poland on May 12, 2008
at 11:14 pm
Hey guys,
My name is Rick. My sister has been going to this cult since last year. I have visited their church and argued with some of their deacons who cannot show me true information of this guy ahnsahnghong. I am looking for information about this guy. Right now Im building a website and I am trying to gather information. Any information about this cult or their leaders, please email them to me. If you live in korea, I am willing to pay good money for any information. Right now, I have a photocopy of their sermon book and some of the books written by ahnsahnghong. My email is rjrick10@gmail.com Anybody that is willing to unite for the cause can email me.
By: Rick on May 13, 2008
at 10:50 am
God bless you all. So how’s the World Mission Society Church of God haters doing? Well, I hope that just before the Lord comes with fire, to execute judgement upon all men, you will see and follow the truth. I am not gonna repeat the same studies again because you guys have close your ears and not keeping the Word of God as absolute. This is probably the last time I am gonna comment here. I know I’ve tried to preach the truth here but just like in the days of Noah, those unbelievers laugh and think that Noah is crazy for building an big ark while the weather is so hot and no signs of the coming rain. Noah just followed God’s words. Nowadays still a lot of people haven’t learned from the past, Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Passover of the new covenant just as prophecied in the Bible, the Word of God. Clearly, Jesus said that UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU. Unbelievers think that it’s just a mere meal. They think they know better than Jesus. Unbelievable. Well, have fun chastizing Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother and World Mission Society Church of God, the Zion of God where all His feasts are celebrated, while you can. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on May 13, 2008
at 1:50 pm
Wow this comment blog is full of hypocrites. They like to honor God with their lips but they keep traditions and rules taught by men. God’s traditions are Passover, Sabbath, Veil for women. But they keep Communion, Sunday worship, Christmas. Catholics popes and priest even have cover on their head and they pray to Mary. To all Jesus brothers and sisters, keep doing God’s will. I’ll see you in Father’s house where there’s plenty of rooms for us.
By: Elijah on May 13, 2008
at 6:20 pm
Thank you Elijah. I can clearly see what your talking about. Jaime, COGinator, and others who speaks blasphemy against Church of God, wait till to Lord comes the third time. All of you will be slain if you don’t repent and follow the commandments of God. Read your Bible and have an open mind instead of vomitting the truth like COGinator.
By: Anti-enemies of Church of God on May 13, 2008
at 6:27 pm
hahahaha! Keep on talking your nonsense!
THIRD COMING OF JESUS? ROFL!!!
You really crack me up!
Elijah, you admit that COGinator is speaking truth! Good on you! Now why not you stop speaking lies? :D
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on May 13, 2008
at 7:21 pm
Will this third coming be in Korea ( MOunt Olives) and as the same person Ahnashnghong?
“wait till the Lord comes the third time”
Truly, It sounds very scary! OOOOOH
The defenders of COG are back but without any details of the history of their Gods they worship but instead use the fear tactics. That’s how it goes on with every cult.
Probably might have got a signal from M.J or Joo Cheol to sign off from this board as usual . Donnie bad luck. You will never get an answer. This is a secretive religion and once they disclose that’s the end of their business.
Anti-enemies-What if it is the other way round. Imagine the eternal torment in “The Lake of fire” Therefore repent, read the entire Bible very well and stop worshipping the false Gods. Take up your cross and follow JESUS in sincerity and with contrite hearts. Got it!
When Jesus returns he will not judge you by the amount of rice you ate on passover or sabbath and veil for women and the suit men wore.
We are to be judged according to our works, our deeds by Jesus Christ – Rom.2:6
Christ warns: “I will give to every one of you according to your works” (Revelation 2:23).
Elijah— I’ll see you in Father’s house where there’s plenty of rooms for us. HMM!
Does M.J communicate with ahnsahnghong in the burning bush? Sounds like reservation is made when are you leaving? If possible try to re-check every detail and test all spirits before its too late.
By: Jonah on May 13, 2008
at 8:36 pm
Well, well, well. We have plenty of dumbass people here. Could you read your Bible please?
Matthew 24:30-31 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the LORD is coming with fire,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For with fire and with his sword
the LORD will execute judgment upon all men,
and many will be those slain by the LORD.
Hey all of you dumbass, do you understand these? I bet not. Let me make this clear for dummies like Jamie and Jonah. It said in Matthew that the Son of Man will gather His elect from one ends of heaven to the other. Isn’t it that time Jesus is already on Earth? Also, it was prophecied in Isaiah that the Lord will execute judgement when He comes with fire. So tell, Jamie and Jonah, how can the Lord execute judgement while He gathers His elect? It’s pretty clear that the Lord will gather His elect first before He execute judgement upon all men. Really how dumb you Jamie and Jonah can be?
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Anti-enemies of Church of God on May 13, 2008
at 9:41 pm
Anti-enemies of Church of God,
Who loves ya baby!!
From your friend “Who vomits the truth”
COGinator!!!
SWEET!!!
By: COGInator on May 13, 2008
at 9:49 pm
Very cleaver COGinator. COGinator, has anyone told you that your name sounds like a robot Terminator or Monstor, and your a robot of Satan, harassing Church of God. So COGinator, can you post something valid instead of vomitting the truth. Your still a baby. Don’t worry homie, I’ll feed you with more truths from the Bible. Oh poor baby, can’t eat the truths of Bible.
WHAT SAY SOME STUPID COGinator? YEAH, SHUT YOUR ASS UP. THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT KNOW WHAT IM SAYING “COGinator WHO IS A BROTHA OF SATAN.”
Matthew 12:46-50 46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”[g]
48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
SWEET TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE THAT CHURCH OF GOD FOLLOWS!!! HOLLA BROTHAS AND SISTAHS OF JESUS!!! BOUNCE AND HOLLA AT YOU LATER!!!
By: Anti-enemies of Church of God on May 13, 2008
at 10:44 pm
I knew it. These people who hate Church of God are really dumb as they can be. Are you blind COGinator? Read your Bible. Follow the examples of Jesus. Did Jesus promise eternal life through Passover of the new covenant? True. Did Jesus kept the Sabbath day? True. Help! COGinator is vomitting. He can’t stand the truths of the Bible. Help!
By: Elijah on May 13, 2008
at 10:51 pm
Ohh Jonah said “Anti-enemies-What if it is the other way round. Imagine the eternal torment in “The Lake of fire” Therefore repent, read the entire Bible very well and stop worshipping the false Gods. Take up your cross and follow JESUS in sincerity and with contrite hearts. Got it!”
OHHHH I’M SCARED. Let me tell you something Jonah. 2000 years ago, the Pharisees and teachers of the law made a mistake by not believing in Jesus because He didn’t come from the sky in heaven. Jesus is born out of Virgin Mary. So Jonah, are you looking in the sky for the Son of Man to come? Hahaha. You fool!
Daniel 7:13-14 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”
Jonah, did Jesus literally come down from clouds of heaven? WRONG YOU DUMBMIE! Again, Jesus was born out of the Virgin Mary. And check this out Jonah.
Matthew 24:30-31 30″At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”
Jonah, Jesus is already here on Earth and He is actually the One who said these words. So do you know now the mistake that the Pharisees made 2000 years ago? They did not look at the prophecies in the Bible. So Jonah, are you the Pharisees of our age, the age of the Holy Spirit? See how stupid Church of God enemies are. STUPID, VERY STUPID AND IGNORANT OF THE TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE.
By: Anti-enemies of Church of God on May 13, 2008
at 11:14 pm
Hey Anti-enemies of Church of God. I started to scan this entire blog and it actually started since last year. I guess this blog is committed in destroying Church of God’s teachings and some of our fellow brothers and sister have preached here to show them the truth. I notice they still keep insisting their own flaws instead on what’s written and prophecied in the Bible. I just can’t stopped laughing on their ignorance like Jaime, joan, Scott Thong, Joseph, Stephy, King James, pat, Hawkeye, Chad, Jessie, Jason, Cult, Spencer, Bruce, Diane, Bertha, scarletfire, ramblinrose, Spotron, Donnie, Ben, Jonah, Dark Angel, Timothy 3:16, justin, question everything, Imao, God=notcult, Rick, and their leader COGinator. HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dumb haters of Church of God. Fools and hypocrites! All of you haters of Church of God, I can honestly say that you know nothing of the truth of the Bible. Our brothers and sisters have shown you the truth and you guys have close your eyes and ears. You guys will never see the light if you don’t seek it. You guys must ask, knock and seek the truth of the Bible. You guys might as well cut your own throats and rip your chest since you guys still wanna insist your own will instead of the Bible.
By: Elijah on May 14, 2008
at 3:50 am
With people like you representing COGWMS – It isn’t difficult to point out to the hypocrisy of your church.
It amazes me the profound ignorance the “believers” like you display.
People like you are evidence that it truly takes an imbalanced person to be blind the blatant contradictions of COGWMS’s doctrines and the Bible. People in this church do not become believers through logical means, they become believers through social and emotional means (love-bombing, acceptance, affection) … things they are missing in their “normal” lives.
COGWMS provides an escape from reality, a social club… and a huge source of revenue for a frail Korean Shyster who speaks one language and has performed no miracles and was never mentioned in the Bible.
By: Jason on September 29, 2009
at 9:49 am
Jason you should read my story below. Its about my experience at the church of god. I was in that church for 7 months. I made my family worry about me so much. Please read my story.
By: xxxxx on February 3, 2011
at 1:43 am
You know what I’m saying Elijah. Now, the gospel is being preached to the whole world from the east to the west. God’s work will be swiftly accomplished in His due time. As the time is near, Satan is slandering us more fiercely. We, God’s people, may suffer more trials, hardships, persecution and temptation than we have ever suffered before. Through the Bible, let’s see how Satan slanders the truth of God and how God overcomes him after all (Rev 18), so that we may also overcome, standing firm in faith with joy. The Bible prophesies that God will overcome the hindrance of Satan and defeat him in the end. However, in the process of overcoming there are continually lots of critical moments. You and I, who live in this end time, should do our best to run the race of faith, having strong confidence, until the moment when the door of the kingdom of heaven is opened.
God said, “Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.” Holding on to this hopeful promise, let’s overcome the devil’s hindrances in reliance on God. Today, there are innumerable churches in the world. Apparently they seem to be established to serve God; they put up crosses and cry to the people, ‘Come to our church to hear the gospel of Christ.’ Through God’s teachings in the Bible, however, we require to see whether or not they follow God’s will―whether they base their teachings and deeds on the Bible or not. Since the creation of the world, the devil our enemy has been trying to deceive all people, even God’s people, if possible, by any means. Now, let’s see how the devil hinders God’s children to make them give up their faith.
2 Co 11:13-15 『For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerades as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.』
The Bible says that it is no great thing if Satan’s servants disguise themselves to look like servants of righteousness. When Satan and his servants approach us, disguising themselves as angels of light and servants of righteousness, we should discern whether their teachings and deeds are true or false. It is very important. Then, why do Satan’s servants masquerade as servants of righteousness? They do that for the only one purpose of leading people, even God’s chosen ones, to hell by deceiving them. If they disclosed their identity as Satan’s, no one would believe them. To make themselves look like servants of righteousness, they frequently use these words―”We love God,” “We should love our neighbors,” “We follow the teachings of Christ.”
Let’s see what Jesus said concerning their leading the souls to death by disguising themselves as servants of righteousness.
Mt 23:13 『”Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.”』
Satan’s servants, masquerading as servants of righteousness, shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces; they themselves do not enter, nor do they let those enter who are trying to. It is God’s servants who lead people to heaven, not Satan’s servants. They themselves do not enter; moreover they do not allow those who are trying to enter. They disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. When we are aware of this fact, we can rescue our brothers and sisters from the Satan’s snare, and lead them to the truth. Now, we require discretion and strong faith. When our faith becomes firm and steadfast, God will open our spiritual eyes to see, ears to hear and minds to understand, so that we may not be deceived by Satan though his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Let’s see how Satan’s servants hide the kingdom of heaven from people.
Mk 7:6-7 『He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: ‘people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”』
Satan’s servants use human rules as a method to make people far from God―to shut off the kingdom of heaven from them. Through men’s rules, they make people, so-called Christians, ignore God’s laws and worship the sun god detestable to God; the door to the kingdom of heaven is shut from them, and their hearts get farther from God. If they were taught by God’s servants, they would keep God’s commandments and come near to God―they would run toward the kingdom of heaven. There are still many souls who are deceived by Satan’s servants and follow the way of death. We must not leave those souls alone but let them know who Satan’s servants are and what their schemes are. Those who have already been deceived think that Satan’s servants also believe in God because they speak about God and the Bible, disguising themselves as servants of righteousness. However, if we pay a little more attention to what they say, we can easily see that they speak falsehood completely against what the Bible says.
Satan’s servants seem to honor God with their lips. Actually, they deceive people with men’s rules and make them worship God in vain. Let’s open our eyes and look around us. How many people are de-ceived! We should not merely watch them but boldly tell them what is false and what is true. Now, we ought to make the people, who do not distinguish truth from falsehood, know the real identity of Satan disguising himself as an angel of light. There are many who are taught by men’s rules and follow them, being confused into thinking that they worship God and will go to the kingdom of heaven by keeping men’s rules. We should lead them to God.
Ps 14:1-3 『The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.』
There is no one who does good or seeks God, for all have been taught by men’s rules. Then, who can enter the kingdom of heaven? None of those who are deceived by Satan’s servants can imagine their shutting the kingdom of heaven, for they honor God with their lips. For several thousand years, numerous people have been taught by men’s rules, deceived by Satan’s servants, and have firmly believed that they will go to the kingdom of heaven through men’s rules such as Christmas, Sunday service and the veneration of the cross. Since they’ve been bound by Satan for such a long time, it may not be easy to awaken their minds. However, God is with us. He said that the truth would surely come out victorious. Relying on this word, we should awaken them diligently. The Bible says that all men have together become corrupt, deceived by Satan, and that there is no one who does good, not even one. However it also says that God has left a small number of people.
Ro 11:2-5 『God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. … So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.』
Among innumerable people like the sand of the sea, God has re-served some righteous people who have not bowed their knees to Baal. Though very few, they are to resist Satan’s servants who disguise themselves as servants of righteousness and shut off the kingdom of heaven through men’s rules. This little flock must completely depend on God with a sure faith in Him, so that they can fight against the powers of Satan. “If I must lay down my life for following God’s will, I will die.” Without such early martyrs’ spirit, how can the little flock resist countless people on the side of Satan like the sand of the sea?
Consider how Gideon won the battle in ancient times. He depended absolutely on God, so that he and his three hundred warriors could defeat one hundred and thirty-five thousand men. They had faith strong enough to rush into the enemy base, armed only with torches and trumpets. Because of their great faith, they could win the battle.
Like Gideon’s warriors, we should have strong faith all the more as we see the day approaching. When we have such a faith and spirit, we, God’s little flock, can resist Satan’s servants masquerading as God’s servants. In the days of Elijah, God reserved seven thousand who had not bowed their knees to Baal. So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Rev 12:17 『Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring―those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.』
Seeing the dragon, the devil, fight against the woman’s offspring, they must be the righteous; they keep God’s commandments. This revelation shows what will surely take place in the last days. We can see Satan reign over innumerable people like the sand of the seashore. Men’s rules are a weapon which Satan’s servants use to block the door to the kingdom of heaven. However, those standing on God’s side constantly keep God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus, resisting the devil. On Satan’s side stand a great multitude of people like the sand of the sea. However, God has promised to give victory to us, His little flock. The victory which God has promised us is given through our unyielding faith. As we all have unwavering faith, Satan cannot make us fall, however hard he tries. At the end, he is to be defeated.
Rev 14:8-12 『A second angel followed and said, “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, … ” “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too will drink of the wine of God’s fury, … He will be tormented with burning sulfur … And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.』
The Bible says that those who get drunk with the doctrines of the beast will drink of the wine of God’s fury. It also says that here is the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. Patience brings them to victory. Now, we often see Satan’s servants working around us. They are numerous, and it is not easy to distinguish them from God’s servants.
Over a thousand years, Satan’s servants have deceived the world, disguising themselves as servants of righteousness and as angels of light; they’ve ridiculed and persecuted God’s servants, God’s children, who keep the commandments of God. Since they’ve deceived the world for such a long time, it is almost impossible to awaken people from spiritual deception in a short time. That is possible only through the unyielding faith of God’s children who keep God’s commandments. Only through their strong faith and patient endurance, Satan is defeated and the world is changed. Though the devil, our enemy, is hindering the truth with all kinds of schemes, God does not shake at all; He regards him as nothing.
Isa 40:14-17 『Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, … Surely the nations are like a drop in a bucket; they are regarded as dust on the scales; he weighs the islands as though they were fine dust. … Before him all the nations are as nothing; they are regarded by him as worthless and less than nothing.』
Satan and his servants are fighting against God and persecuting His children, together with numerous people like the sand of the sea. However, God counts them as nothing and worthless. When our faith is weak, Satan’s servants seem to be stronger than us and we may fear them. However, through the history of the Early Church, God has already showed that they are less than nothing. Many emperors, politicians and religious leaders ridiculed and troubled and threatened the saints of the Early Church. However, the more they persecuted the saints, the stronger their faith became and the church grew and prospered; because God, regarding all the world’s influential authorities as nothing, was with them. So, we, who live in this last age, need to fear nothing at all. Rather, we should diligently preach the gospel of truth to the people, enlightening them to know the real identity of Satan and his servants who hinder the gospel of God and devour men’s souls. They deceive people into believing that what God’s people keep or celebrate is not truth. Though they hinder us from preaching the gospel, we must keep our faith in Christ, obeying God’s commandments and depending on Him with patience. False prophets are stirring up the whole world to fight against God. However, the more Satan’s power increases, the stronger we should become in faith; for God has said that they are nothing at all. Our mission is to quickly find our lost brothers and sisters and lead them to Zion. We must not forget that even for a moment.
Ps 2:1-9 『Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One. … The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, “I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill.” … “You will rule them with an iron scepter (“Though shalt break them with a rod of iron,” KJV); you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”』
We, God’s people, have the strongest power, because God is with us. What does the Bible say about Satan’s servants who blaspheme against God and His people? It says that God scoffs at them and He will break them with an iron rod and dash them to pieces like pottery. We are to endure until God’s appointed time comes: With strong faith and hope of heaven, we should be patient to the end, practicing God’s love by saving the dying souls. Though Satan hinders us greatly, victory will surely be ours, not his. We walk the way of desert and follow the path of thorns, taking our own crosses. However it is the way to victory. When we obtain the victory through hardships, it will be more precious and brilliant. God is preparing a place for us in heaven, and we are going to meet Him soon. For the rest of our life, we should make the most of every opportunity to seek the lost brothers and sisters, unveiling the real identity of Satan’s servants and false prophets. Keeping on the alert all the times, let’s try hard to bear much fruit, so that our Father and Mother may be pleased. As God’s children, let’s overcome Satan’s hindrances, standing firm in faith with a wise and discerning eye, always following God. Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about, preaching the truth. I’m pretty sure that we might have a lost brotha or sistah here in this blog you know what I’m saying homie. Holla at you later and keep seeking the truth in the Word of God.
By: Anti-enemies of Church of God on May 14, 2008
at 4:50 am
You’re especially skilled at dishing out contradictions, you would make a great pastor.
By: Jason on September 29, 2009
at 9:52 am
All CoG Members,
You miss the point…we do not hate members of the Church of God. On the contrary you are loved very much. However, our understanding of the bible differs, not from you, but from the doctrine that you’ve been lead to believe is the truth. Basically it’s flawed. The biggest being that your worshiping a human lady who is controlling the CoG organization and claiming to be equal to our true God. She’s twisted scripture to attempt to prove her posistion.
Now, if you decide to be proactive and do your own reasearch outside of what the CoG teaches. I bet you will find the flaws with out us here commenting on this blog to point it out. Or, you can continue the reactive approach and defend the queen ant.
And for our dear friend “Anti-enemies of Church of God” Satan (MJ) called…she want’s her potty mouth and nasty attitude back.
By: COGInator on May 14, 2008
at 12:14 pm
Hi everyone,
This is nothing about bible, ahnsahnghong or mother, but about my experience living with a person in world mission church of god.
My partner is in world mission church of god, she has now quit her job spending all day everyday morning – late night to do ‘study’. She does not care about anything else anymore. Her behaviour changes dramatically.
I have really tried to understand her, i even go to her study, attend passover, worship, read all ahnsahnghong’s book, Joo-Cheol
s book, zion newsletter, watch mother’s dvd etc..
My experience when i attended the ‘worship’ is that the preaching only focused on fear, prophecy, propechy, propechy, join us otherwise you are doomed!.
This is ‘religion ‘ is really taking all her time, effort, energy, resources. Nothing else matters.
I am a very tolerant person, but this world mission church of god instead of creating peace and harmony, it is designed only to get as many members as possible (bear fruit?). In the process, many people can (will) get hurt. (oh and this is justified in the bible as well as prosecution.. how frustrating..)
Although i’ve been married for awhile, ever since she is in world mission church of god, i feel like she’s no lnger there for me. I keep holding on for now, i believe love is the key.
Once people is in world mission church of god, religion is no longer the word. It is an obsession (more like addiction) which leads to a person to become a fanatics.
By: sadhusb on May 14, 2008
at 12:20 pm
sadhusb,
We’ll pray for you and for your wife. Have you thought about telling her you and her need to go to marriage counceling? If she’s willing to go then you could bait and switch to a cult exiting councelor.
Are you attending a real church? If not you need to so you can start asking her questions about thier doctrine and why they believe what they believe. If you pretend to be interested you can get her to dialog with you and with a non-argumentative attitude you may be able to get her to see that it all doesn’t make sense.
God Bless you!!
By: COGInator on May 14, 2008
at 12:31 pm
Hey! sadhusb, im going almost through the same thing, but i know that we will win this battle. Is there any forum or place where many anti COG people gather?
By: Rick on May 14, 2008
at 12:50 pm
Hey man, why you all trying to go against the prophecy written in the Bible? What’s wrong with you all men. Let me show you what the Bible says
Matthew 10:34-37 34″Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
” ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law –
36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.'[e]
37″Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me
Aight men you all clear on this one? Look men I didn’t mean to disrespect you all but we have to look at what the Bible says before we say something out of our own thinking know what I’m saying. Clearly, Jesus didn’t bring peace here on Earth but a sword. Do you all know what’s the sword?
Hebrews 4:12 12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Look men, you all can’t understand the Bible if you all use the common sense of men. God already has a plan and will on how things are going to happen. We all just have to understand the will of God and through the Bible, we can find out know what I’m saying. Aight here’s some more
2 Peter 3:7 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Are you all clear on this one? Everything what we see right now on this Earth are reserved for fire. That’s why when the Lord comes the third time, He is coming with fire you know what I’m saying. So that’s why we have to follow what God’s plan is. Keeping and following God’s word would keep us safe and we all should have learned from the past and there’s many examples in the Old Testament that keeping God’s commandments is a must you know what I’m saying. When we follow God, we would all look crazy in the eyes of men but we are far worthy in the eyes of the Lord. Again, there’s a lot of examples in the Old Testament and we all have to learn from it. Damn you all need to start keeping God’s word instead of making your own opinion on how to follow God’s will. Aight holla at if you all have questions as long as it’s about the Bible, I’ll holla back at you.
By: Anti-enemies of Church of God on May 14, 2008
at 2:13 pm
COGinator, how dare you mock Jerusalem Mother. She is our mother according to the Bible. Clearly, God has two image, male and female according to the Bible. COGinator, you are lacking of understand of the Bible. I have seek all other churches and only Church of God teaches the true teachings of the Bible because it is built by Christ Himself, Christ Ahnsahnghong. The Holy Spirit, Christ Ahnsahnghong, has lead us into a very important Truth in this age and that is the existence of Heavenly Mother (Gal 4:26). The more that I learn about Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother God, the New Jerusalem (Rev. 3:11-13), I am still shocked and amazed! Let’s even look in the book of Zechariah and see what it reveals to us
Zechariah 14:1-21
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake [a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7 It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime—a day known to the LORD. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea [b] and half to the western sea, [c] in summer and in winter.
9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.
10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up and remain in its place, from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
12 This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day men will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. Each man will seize the hand of another, and they will attack each other. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD [d] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.
20 On that dayHOLY TO THE LORD will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the LORD’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD Almighty.
Here we can see clearly that it was talking about the last days. So, in the last days the living water, forgiveness of sins (Zechariah 13:1), and eternal life will flow from JERUSALEM. I was able to see EVEN MORE confirmation that Jerusalem, the Bride (Revelation 21:9-11) is the decisive factor for forgiveness of sins in the last days. But doesn’t only GOD have authority to cleanse us from our sins. Heavenly Jerusalem, the female image of God is the one that will cleanse us. She is the source of the Spring of the Water of Life. She is God Almighty!
Through the prophecies of the Bible, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem are allowing us to exercise more faith in them
2 Peter 1:19
19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
The word of the prophets, the prophecies in the Bible, were “made more certain” during the time of Peter, because he saw the prophecies of Christ Jesus being fulfilled right in front of his eyes. Now, the children of Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem have the word of the prophets made EVEN MORE certain. The culmination of all Bible prophecy is happening NOW. The wedding of the Lamb has started! (Rev. 19:7)
If you haven’t so already, you may want to get yourself on the guest list! COGinator and others, it’s not too late. Be on the guest list on the wedding of the Lamb.
By: Elijah on May 14, 2008
at 6:05 pm
Elijah said, “If you haven’t so already, you may want to get yourself on the guest list! COGinator and others, it’s not too late. Be on the guest list on the wedding of the Lamb.”
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Rather be a wedding crasher.
By: Dark Angel on May 14, 2008
at 6:50 pm
It really hurts right! The cults members do not like the idea about their super Apostles being questioned.
Thank God at least you know that Jesus was born out of virgin Mary but its a pity you don’t know about Ahnsahnghong being born out from ????
I can understand the rest of your grey matter is white washed. Therefore you guys can only remember a few of the scriptures that is very carefully selected to show the Gods that are fake. Not your fault its your fate that you got trapped.
Oh yes! as for the wedding, the lamb was getting too old then to fulfil M.J’s desire. It must be terrible living a lonely life all these years. But she still looks very content, wearing heavy silk robes with Luscious red lips, hair dye and the lovely kids visiting her in korea and play with them in the snow as shown in one of pics of the calendar.
Vicarius Filii Dei and the 666 isn’t this also one of the hot topic the cog’s like to use for preaching.
I was told by your deacon that M.J is a modern God. Probably she’s got a 666 tatoo. Need to scan the Hanbok
The wedding preparation sounds great and very exciting too as put up by Elijah and Anti-enemies. You must be getting the privilege to be the page boy/pagegirl.
I wish I could post here the image of the Cogs dressed as clowns. When you see for yourself you’d know who are the real DUMBASS robots
We all are certainly looking forward to this wedding day. Its gonna be all the more colorful I guess with face-painting, cultural dress from around the world etc. Obviously every eye will see this grand finale.LOL
I have nobitter feelings just want you to use a little common sense. So cool it and do not be filled with anger. I truly love you all and very much concerned about you guys. I hope you will return back to give us the testimony of your unfulfulled wish. We will help you cope up.
By: Jonah on May 14, 2008
at 8:35 pm
How We Know That Christ Ahnsahnghong Is Second Coming Christ:
Christ Ahnsahnghong reestablished Zion.
Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed the mystery of the 7 Thunders.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Sabbath Day.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Passover.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Feast of Firstfruits.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Feast of Weeks.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Feast of Trumpets.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Day of Atonement.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Feast of Tabernacles.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought the way to Salvation–The Passover.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought the Seal of God–The Passover.
Christ Ahnsahnghong opened the way to the Tree of Life.
Christ Ahnsahnghong started the Heavenly Wedding Banquet.
Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed the Bride–Our Mother.
Christ Ahnsahnghong let us know that the cross is an idol.
Christ Ahnsahnghong let us know that our souls were in Heaven.
Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophesy of King David.
Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophesy of Melchizedek.
Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophesy of King Cyrus.
Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophesy of Last Adam.
Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophesy of the Root of David.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought the New Name of Jesus Christ.
Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed the identity of Satan.
Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed the mystery of Babylon.
Christ Ahnsahnghong told us to COME OUT OF BABYLON!
Too bad for dumbass robot Jonah, He doesn’t understand the prophecy of the Bible because He is a DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FHO RHIZZLE Anti-enemies of Church of God. Yo mah men holla back at u!
By: Elijah on May 14, 2008
at 8:56 pm
To Dark Angel, at least I have a reservation on the Wedding of the Lamb. But sorry to you, you can’t crash on the Lamb’s wedding because you don’t follow His words. Read your Bible and follow God or else, you are really not welcome because God never knew you if you don’t follow Him.
By: Elijah on May 14, 2008
at 9:01 pm
Elijah said “I have seek all other churches and only Church of God teaches the true teachings of the Bible because it is built by Christ Himself, Christ Ahnsahnghong.”
Dude, you so brainwashed into believing thier false doctrine that you’re even quoting thier broken english! You have saught other churches…and no you really haven’t. You were fooled into believing that you had.
By: COGInator on May 14, 2008
at 9:27 pm
COGinator please. Just to let you know, I am not brainwashed by Church of God. I follow God’s wills and you don’t because you don’t believe and follow Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Christ because He is the only One who fulfill all the prophecies of Jesus Second Coming. You don’t even believe in Jerusalem Mother even though She is testified in the Bible. The Bible, the Word of God is the reason why we believe in God. COGinator, why do you believe in Jesus? Because He is God? Okay but how do you know? Because Jesus is testified in the Bible right. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the First Coming of Christ even though He is man in flesh like us, a carpenter, we believe in Jesus because of the Bible. In the Old Testament, Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies of the First Coming of the Son of Man. Some of those prophecies are He will be born out of a virgin. COGinator, did Jesus fulfilled that? Of course He did. Another one is He will be born out of Bethlehem. COGinator, did Jesus fulfilled that? Of course he did. One more, He will be resurrected from the dead. COGinator, did He fulfill that? Of course He did. That’s why you and I believe in Jesus, because of the Bible. The bible prophecied that He will appear a Second time, not to bear our sins but to bring back the salvation to those who are waiting for Him. Everything is prophecied in the Bible so there’s shouldn’t be any confusion. COGinator, don’t make the same mistake that the Pharisees made 2000 years ago. Let’s understand the will of God through the Bible, not insisting on our own fixed concepts. Okay, let me hear what your church teaches. Prove me through the Scripture that Church of God teaches false doctrine. I don’t want to hear your opinion but show it through the Bible. If you can’t back it up through the Scripture then that’s only your opinion. The Church of God is prophecied in the Bible, the Zion that the Second Coming of Christ will established. COGinator, BRING IT ON!!!
By: Elijah on May 14, 2008
at 11:23 pm
To all you cog people. You are being seriously misled. All I see you doing is telling everyone they’re going to hell b/c they’re not in the cog. I have seen you put down other faiths, which is exactly the opposite of Jesus’ teachings. I do not hate anyone in the cog, rather I love my family member’s with all my heart, it was they, who turned their backs on the family, even with a sibling in dire need of their support. It’s ok, I am trying to follow JESUS” TEACHINGS on forgiveness. Should they ever want to come home, they will be welcomed home, no questions asked. My love is unconditional, unlike yours, which is based on membership og your “chuch” only.
By: question everything on May 14, 2008
at 11:54 pm
i can’t find the amount of people COG thinks they need to recruit for the end to come. does anyone know where i can find it?
By: scarletfire on May 15, 2008
at 3:38 am
Looks like “Christ Ahnshanhong did more stuff than Jesus.
Elijah said,
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“To Dark Angel, at least I have a reservation on the Wedding of the Lamb. But sorry to you, you can’t crash on the Lamb’s wedding because you don’t follow His words. Read your Bible and follow God or else, you are really not welcome because God never knew you if you don’t follow Him.”
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Dude, you sound like a child.
By: Dark Angel on May 15, 2008
at 8:44 am
Dark Angel, you don’t understand the Bible at all by you saying “Looks like Christ Ahnsahnghong did more stuff than Jesus.” First of all, both of them have prophecies they have to fulfill and if your reading your Bible, you would know it. Second, they are One including Jehovah in different ages, the Father which is Jehovah, Son which is Jesus and Holy Spirit which is Ahnsahnghong.
Okay then you told me that I sound like a child? Dark Angel, what I told you is in the Bible. Should I put the verses for you to understand?
Matthew 7:21-23
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Do you understand these Dark Angel? If you don’t follow God’s will, then verse 23 “I never knew you” is for you Dark Angel. So do I still sound like a child? This is God’s words I am showing to you. Dark Angel, everything regarding to God’s will, it’s in the Bible. The Bible show us what are God’s plans according to His will and pleasure.
By: Elijah on May 15, 2008
at 1:36 pm
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, you don’t understand the Bible…”
Work with me here. Is it at all possible that maybe it’s you who don’t understand the bible? (because it was taught to you incorrectly?)
If a very small percentage of people believe the sky is green and not blue, and accuse all the blue seers of being blind. Could it possibly be that they are the ones that aren’t seeing it correctly.
Could be because the glasses they are wearing are giving it a different tint that makes it look green…but it’s blue.
Hey, that’s a pretty good analogy if I do say so myself.
All I’m saying is try taking off your glasses for a year and see if you see things differantly.
By: COGInator on May 15, 2008
at 2:01 pm
Elijah, very impressive and what amazing things your fake God has done except for keeping the 10 commandments.
By the way you have forgotten to mention about bringing the VEIL. That is the most thing that helps cover all the B.S fed into the brain & prevents it from enlightening your minds.
The one who boasts of his faith as a transcendent possession yet is without the fruits of faith, love, forgiveness, fruitless, without effect. That’s what so-called believers are when they don’t have a changed life. And it can seen by your action and the usage of words.
Looks like COG only focuses mainly on god’s festivals and ignores the basic things from the bible of how to live a sinless life?
I am sure it was just few days back that you celebrated the feast of Pentecost. But you did not Invoke the Holy Spirit in your examination of conscience so that you may get to know God better, and yourself too
By: Jonah on May 15, 2008
at 2:01 pm
Dear Elijah,
Who is this ‘Mother Jerusalem’? What is her name? How old is she.. Is/Was she married to Ahnsahnghong? Do they have family, kids etc..?
Please, please answer these questions, i really want to know all this with open mind.
Thank you so much for your help.
By: donnie on May 15, 2008
at 5:16 pm
Wow COGinator and Jonah, it’s so clear to me that you guys have no idea about God’s will in the Bible. Let me enlighten you guys.
COGinator, like I said before, I have compared Church of God to all the teachings and doctrines of the other churches and Church of God is the true one, the wheat in Jesus’ Parable of Weeds and Wheat. My spiritual eyes and ears are clear as crystal when it comes to reading the Bible.
Jonah, we keep the 10 commandments because Jesus sums it up to “Love God and love your neighbor”. Jonah, there’s no B.S. in Church of God’s teachings because it is all based in the Bible and keeping God’s word absolutely are the ones who love Him. Jonah, it’s not called ‘festivals’ but ‘feasts of God’. Do you keep it? Maybe not because your not in God’s mountain, God’s Zion.
Dear donnie,
I am going to answer your questions.
Who is this ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
donnie, her name is Jerusalem Mother, God the Mother.
Galatians 4:25-26
Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.
So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.
Gal. 4:28
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Then, what promise did God make to those who are called the children of promise? God promised them eternal life.
1 John 2:25
And this is what he promised us?even eternal life.
How is eternal life given to us? The Bible says that all things were created by God’s will (Rev. 4:11). Among all of the many creatures that God has created, let us focus on the mothers. Since it is written that God created all things by His will, a certain will of God was expressed when He created mothers on this earth. As you know, all creatures have a mother figure. There is not a single creature that can come into existence without a mother.
Our physical life is given to us through our physical mother. For 280 days, a baby’s hands, feet, eyes and ears form within his mother’s womb. When the time comes, the mother will give birth to her child, shedding blood. We are given life through our mother’s great pain. How about our spiritual life? Just as our physical life was given to us through our physical mother, our spiritual life is given to us through our spiritual Mother.
The Bible clearly testifies that our heavenly Mother exists, and that only our heavenly Mother can give us eternal life.
Is/Was she married to Ahnsahnghong?
Rev. 19:7
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
The book of Revelation was written after Jesus had ascended, and it prophesied about the things that were to happen in the last days. Thus, “the Lamb” mentioned in the above verse indicates the Second Coming Jesus: Ahnsahnghong. When Jesus came to the earth for the first time, two thousand years ago, His wife was not yet ready. The Bride, the wife of the Lamb, would appear in the last days.
In the book of Revelation, chapter 21, the Bride?the wife of the Lamb-is described as “Jerusalem.”
Rev. 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he…showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Apostle Paul testified that this Holy City, Jerusalem, which would come down out of heaven, is our Mother.
Do they have family, kids etc..?
Apostle Paul testified that we are the children of promise, the children of the free woman, because we have been given the promise of eternal life from our heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:28
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Gal. 4:31
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
If we are the children of the free woman, what should we call Her? We should call Her our “Mother.”
We cannot have eternal life unless we receive the heavenly Mother. Eternal life, which God has promised us, is given through the heavenly Mother.
In this last age, we need our Jerusalem Mother who has been established by Christ Ahnsahnghong-the Second Coming Jesus. Let us believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and in Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, so that we can receive eternal life.
donnie, now that I have answer your questions, I hope you have an open mind now. Your always welcome.
By: Elijah on May 15, 2008
at 6:27 pm
Good job Elijah. donnie, you need to stop asking about Jerusalem Mother. She is our Mother, the Bride of the Spirit. Just like Jesus, you don’t ask how old is He or what’s His job. Jesus fulfill the prophecy of Son of Man as prophecied in the Old Testament. That’s all that is necessary, fulfilling the prophecy in the Bible.
By: Poland on May 15, 2008
at 8:09 pm
Elijah said “Jonah, we keep the 10 commandments because Jesus sums it up to “Love God and love your neighbor”. ”
Based on you comments to me and the others who clearly see the doctrine is false, it’s clear you are not giving us any love. So it’s safe to say you are breaking that commandmant.
So what… you can break that commandmant but as long a you fund the cult and eat bread and wine on passover your going to be the only ones who are accepted into Heaven.
Um…I’m going to have to throw up the BS flag on that one.
Once again…
CoG = Fail x 10 (commandments)
By: COGInator on May 15, 2008
at 9:04 pm
Poland said, “Good job Elijah. donnie, you need to stop asking about Jerusalem Mother. She is our Mother, the Bride of the Spirit. Just like Jesus, you don’t ask how old is He or what’s His job. Jesus fulfill the prophecy of Son of Man as prophecied in the Old Testament. That’s all that is necessary, fulfilling the prophecy in the Bible.”
Let me translate this for everyone:
well done reciting all of our pre formated cult responses. Donnie, you need to drink the cool aid. She is our brain and the false God we must bow down to. We don’t ask questions of Jesus because we know he died for our sins and acended to heaven, but MJ is a human woman currently residing on earth in Korea (the largest cult producing farm). She has never performed a single miracle, or God-like action. We just worship her blindly, because otherwise this whole cult would fall apart if we questioned the real MJ. We blindly accpet the false interpretation that the CoG teaches us about her existence and never think for a minute that maybe they are telling us this not for our bennefit, but for the good of the cult.
By: COGInator on May 15, 2008
at 9:13 pm
Actually Elijah,
I was being very sarcastic in my last post. Go over that list of yours on what Ahnsahnghong “fulfilled” and you will see how many times you wrote how he “brought back the Passover”. You’re being redundant and you’re also creating an illusion as if he did so much wonders.
You know, I’ll just post it here:
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1. Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back the Passover.
2. Christ Ahnsahnghong brought the way to Salvation–The Passover.
3. Christ Ahnsahnghong brought the Seal of God–The Passover.
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All you have done was repeat the same thing over again with differently wording, which is why I sarcastically said that he’s done more than Jesus.
You say both of them had prophecies they had to fulfill. No just one. You have some clown running around claiming to fulfill prophecies while denying to people that he was a god.
First geneology was important to figure out who Christ is, now all of a sudden, it’s not important anymore. We have some guy from South Korea that “fulfilled prophecies” the Jew’s Messiah are supposed to fulfill.
Most of the prophecies are dealing with Israel and the Jews returning to their homeland and upholding the laws of the Torah.
You know, you COG’ers are too funny. You guys want to use a piece of scripture and give two interpretations to it to fit your beliefs.
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Luke 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. NEVERTHELESS WHEN THE SON OF MAN COMETH, SHALL HE FIND FAITH ON EARTH?
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You all want to say this is the reason why the second coming returned to “bring back” the Passover because if God came to judge, no one would be saved, therefore, he would not find too many with faith in the word of god on Earth.
Then, you all want to use the same scripture to say this is the reason why Ahnsahnghong was a Buddhist, in which you all consider a “false religion”. Which in turn, means that he did not come here to “find faith” or find a religion, as Jesus did with Judaism.
Which also means, Ahnsahnghong “did not find faith” because Buddhism is a “false religion”. So according to your doctrine, “he did not find faith”.
You all provide silly answers to why he worshipped an idol and why he was born unto Buddhist parents.
Make up your minds. It’s either one or the other.
So to answer your question on whether if I understand your doctrine, well the answer is no because you guys contradict yourselves.
That one verse has two interpretations. You all are basically covering your asses to questions that show how much of a fake god Ahnsahnghong is.
Obviously he had a faith…it was Buddhism. But I guess you choose to ingore that your god actually worshipped another god.
When you said, “Dark Angel, atleast I have a reservation on the wedding of the Lamb…”.
Yes, the “sound like a child” comment still stands.
By: Dark Angel on May 15, 2008
at 10:45 pm
Honestly, if you claim to keep the 10 commandments, why then do we hear of so many testimonies where the loved ones of CoG members end up feeling hurt, neglected, and unloved?
Hypocrisy.
Why can’t he ask about Mother Jerusalem? Shouldn’t a person be allowed to know about the one he or she worships? I can ask about Jesus, and the answers are in the bible AND in history. Why would I ask about Jesus? So I can know more about Him, and in doing so, I can know Him more.
Honestly, you CoG members are so deceived. You think you have the light, yet all you do is prevent others from shining.
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on May 15, 2008
at 11:41 pm
Well thanks guys but what do you guys think your doing. See, all members of Church of God do is preach the truth of God in the Bible but as for you guys your insecurities take over you because you guys feel that your in the wrong faith. Then if your churches preach the truths in the Bible, then by all means preach it to us and I would love to hear it. But you guys are not worthy to judge anyone by appearance. The Bible is the judge for everyone’s faith, not men’s opinion. So if we all have questions about what God wants us to do, let’s look at His words, the Bible. As for Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother, they are prophecied and testified in the Bible. Prophecies in the Bible like the Fig Tree Parable is not made by Church of God. It’s clearly testified by Jesus in the Bible when He comes the Second time, it will be when the Fig Tree’s twigs get tender. You guys have probably heard it before since our brothers and sisters have posted it here for you guys. Then if you guys don’t believe it even if it is testified by Jesus in the Bible, well I’m sorry for you guys.
COGinator said “Based on you comments to me and the others who clearly see the doctrine is false, it’s clear you are not giving us any love. So it’s safe to say you are breaking that commandmant.”
COGinator, are you giving Church of God and it’s members any love? If no then I would also say that it’s safe to say you are breaking the commandment. See what I am talking about, my point here. Now, if your trying to make us see that we are wrong, then were also doing the same thing and that is showing you that your faith is wrong based on the Bible. So who’s right between us? Only the Bible can distinguish right? So COGinator, do you know the Parable of the Weeds and Wheat? Of course you heard it before because it was posted in this blog before. Is there’s something wrong in the way Church of God preach it? Then can you preach it your church way?
To all of you Church of God haters, your guys need to stop making judgement on us. I can clearly see that the more you guys criticize Church of God, the more I can see that it is really the true church according to the Bible. You know why? You guys spend more time criticizing Church of God instead of other faith because you guys can easily put them down. But Church of God is built in the foundation of Jesus Christ so like it is said in the Bible:
Acts 5:38-39 [Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”]
You guys can try as long as you can but Church of God World Mission Society is from God. I’ll just sit tight and wait till the Lord’s Judgement Day. Good luck Church of God haters, HEHEHE!
By: Elijah on May 16, 2008
at 5:01 am
I am so glad that I’m in Church of God. Unstoppable by it’s haters Elijah, lol. Brothers and Sisters of Zion, let’s continue the task that God has given us till He comes for Judgement Day. I hope Brother Ryan and Brother brofromzion comes back and preach here in this blog. God bless everyone.
By: Poland on May 16, 2008
at 5:06 am
i am looking into this because my daughter no longer has a father because of COG. i haven’t heard of many religions that tear familes apart like this cult.
not questioning what you believe (or even knowing who Ahnsahnghong and MJ are) is a sign of brainwashing in my opinion. i read somewhere that the COG members are told that they will be religiously persecuted so peoples’ questioning strengthens their faith.
i am SO amazed that the COGs interpretations are believed by anyone! my x nows says, “you people” referring to me and my daughter and anyone else outside the COG.
i am going to repeat my questions in hopes of getting some answers:
1 – i can’t find the amount “brothers and sisters” the COG thinks they need to find/ recruit for the end to come. does anyone know where i can find it?
2 – does anyone know why the COG website seems to have stopped updating events in 2006?
3 – why you can’t access the books written by “Christ” Ahnsahnghong if you are not in the “Church”? You must believe before you can read what he has to say? That seems backwards. i have never known the Bible to be hidden from anyone.
4 – has anyone gotten “un-baptized’ from the COG?
and a new one:
5 – what does it mean to the COG if the bread thay have you eat makes you sick?
By: scarletfire on May 16, 2008
at 6:05 am
Elijah said, “To all of you Church of God haters, your guys need to stop making judgement on us. I can clearly see that the more you guys criticize Church of God, the more I can see that it is really the true church according to the Bible.”
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Elijah, so I guess the church with the Hispanic Jesus is a true church as well.
I guess the Catholic church is the true church since you COG members “persecute” it so much.
I take it the SDA is a true church, since it too has received scrutiny by other churches and is also called a cult.
Just about every church receive scrutiny and criticism by other churches, that’s just the way it is and just because a church receives criticism, doesn’t make it “true”.
If you’re basing that idea to determine why the COG is true then thousands of other people can use the same to prove their own church to be true.
That doesn’t make sense.
The point is, no matter how much scrutiny a church receives, it will not be shut down just because it’s receiving scrutiny. If that were the case, then the SDA should be gone. The Mormons should be gone, the Jehovah Witnesses should be gone and so on and so forth.
Just because a president of a country is receiving scrutiny, isn’t going to make him cry quit his job. He ignores it just like plenty of people have been doing and those churches ignore the scrutiny, you guys seem to thrive on it to determine how true your church is.
If no one gave a hoot, you all would purposely go out looking for “persecution”.
By: Dark Angel on May 16, 2008
at 8:24 am
Hi Elijah,
Thank you so much for your answer, to be honest, I am disapointed with your ‘answer’.
I was hoping you can answer the question straight such as this: South Korean president? Answer: Lee Myung-bak, he has 3 brothers and 3 sisters, born 19 December 1941.
Poland’s comment: you need to stop asking about Jerusalem Mother..
This really scares me and gives an indication of a cult group where members submit with no questions asked.
I have tried to stand with open mind and neutral position. I trully believe that everyone has good intentions here. I do too.
I’m really interested to hear everyone’s opinion about this.
I’m out..!
By: donnie on May 16, 2008
at 8:35 am
I cant believe that you guys are still at it!!! Get a life!!! I mean if you dont want to believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, then dont. We have tried to help all of you open up your eyes in so many ways!!!! You guys are still in the dark!!!
May Father & Mother (Elohim) have much mercy on you.
You keep Sunday instead of Saturday and you tell us Sabbath is for the Jews the new & real Christians keep Sunday… BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!
I will never give up being a Church of God member for any other religion. I saw true brotherly love this Passover and its proven to me everyday this is the ONLY TRUTH!
Unless you keep ALL the Commandments of God written in the bible YOU ARE NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN!
The day was changed to fool you. Read the bible… Open up your eyes, you are being wicked:
Daniel 7:25
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to CHANGE THE SET TIMES AND THE LAWS. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.
Exodus 31:14
” ‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.
Ezekiel 20:13
” ‘Yet the people of Israel rebelled against me in the desert. They did not follow my decrees but rejected my laws—although the man who obeys them will live by them—and they utterly desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and destroy them in the desert.
Ezekiel 20:16
because they rejected my laws and did not follow my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths. For their hearts were devoted to their idols.
Ezekiel 20:21
” ‘But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow my decrees, they were not careful to keep my laws—although the man who obeys them will live by them—and they desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the desert.
Ezekiel 20:24
because they had not obeyed my laws but had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths, and their eyes lusted after their fathers’ idols.
Ezekiel 23:38
They have also done this to me: At that same time they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my Sabbaths.
Nehemiah 13:17
I rebuked the nobles of Judah and said to them, “What is this wicked thing you are doing—desecrating the Sabbath day?
By: Lizzie on May 16, 2008
at 10:40 am
Lizzie, why are you here on this forum? What brought you here, your God’ Will?
By: Dark Angel on May 16, 2008
at 10:56 am
Dark Angel,
Ive been coming here since last year. I am sorry you didnt catch me =(
Sorry you are a late bloomer
By: Lizzie on May 16, 2008
at 11:22 am
Not a late bloomer, Lizze. I only changed my name for the “age”.
By: Dark Angel on May 16, 2008
at 12:28 pm
Dark Angel, just admit it. I also just got in this blog recently. You have too much pride. You even think that you don’t need to follow God’s will like the Passover of the new covenant, Sabbath Day and but instead you follow Christmas, Sunday Worship, Easter Sunday. Poor unbeliever who don’t believe the Bible.
By: Elijah on May 16, 2008
at 1:37 pm
No, I am a Buddhist just like your God and his parents.
By: Dark Angel on May 16, 2008
at 2:05 pm
Dark Angel, let me show you why God the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong was born from unbelievers. It is testified in the Bible about the Order of Melchizedek and it’s connection with the Messiah Jesus and Ahnsahnghong. The Bible is a book of prophecy, testifying about Christ. Among the many prophecies about Christ, let’s recognize the Second Coming Christ, through the character Melchizedek. The order of Melchizedek reveals who God is in the last days. We sincerely hope that you will understand the Christ, who has been hidden for ages, so that you may receive salvation.
In B.C. 1920, Melchizedek, king of Salem, was the only priest who blessed Abraham through bread and wine; he had no father, or mother, or genealogy. The Bible prophesies that the Second Coming Christ will follow in the order of Melchizedek. We must recognize the true Christ, who follows in the order of Melchizedek, from the many men who claim that they are the Second Coming Christ.
Then, what is the order of Melchizedek?
The origin of Melchizedek
Heb. 5:11 『We have much to say about this[the order of Melchizedek], but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.』
Why was it hard for Apostle Paul to explain about Melchizedek, even though he had much to say about him? First of all, let’s study the origin of Melchizedek.
Gen. 14: 18-20 『Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, and he blessed Abram…Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.』
Melchizedek, king of Salem, received Abraham who was returning from defeating the enemies. Melchizedek blessed Abraham through bread and wine, and then, Abraham gave him a tenth of everything.
When we study the Bible, we must keep in mind that the Old Testament is a copy and a shadow of the New Testament (Heb 10:1). Melchizedek, mentioned in the book of Genesis, also served as the shadow of a reality which was to come.
Jesus came in the order of Melchizedek
Let us find out, through the Bible, who the reality of Melchizedek is.
Matt. 26:28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”』
In the Old Testament, the physical Melchizedek blessed Abraham through bread and wine, and in the New Testament, Jesus the spiritual Melchizedek blessed His people with eternal life through the Passover bread and wine. Therefore, we can understand that the character Melchizedek represents Jesus.
Heb. 5:8-10 『Although he was a son, he…was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.』
This verse makes it clear that Jesus is the spiritual Melchizedek.
The explanations about Melchizedek
Apostle Paul said that it was hard for him to explain about Melchizedek. We can find the reason why in the verse below.
Heb 7:1-4 『This Melchizedek…Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.』
1) “Without father or mother”
It is impossible for anyone on this earth to be born without Father of Mother, for this reason we could understand that this characteristic must have a biblical meaning. The Bible acknowledges only those who believe in God as the father or the mother of a man (Matt. 12: 50). Thus, the words, “(Melchizedek is) without father or mother,” mean that the spiritual Melchizedek was to be born among unbelievers. As you know, however, Jesus was born of believers: Joseph and Mary.
2) “Without genealogy”
Everyone on this earth has to have genealogy, for this reason we need to understand according to the Bible what is considered genealogy. In the Bible, “genealogy” refers to the twelve tribes of Israel, in other words with Jewish blood. The words, “(Melchizedek is) without genealogy,” mean that the spiritual Melchizedek would be born among the Gentiles, without Jewish blood; however, Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah (Matt. 1:1).
These were the characteristics of Melchizedek that Apostle Paul felt were too hard to explain.
The Second Coming Jesus, Ahnsahnghong, in the order of Melchizedek
In order to fulfill the prophecies of Melchizedek, Jesus is to come a second time. The Bible says that Jesus will come a second time.
Heb. 9:28 『…he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
The Second Coming Jesus will fulfill the prophecies of Melchizedek.
1) He will bless us with eternal life through the Passover bread and wine.
2) He will be born among unbelievers (”without father or mother”).
3) He will be born of Gentiles (”without genealogy”).
4) He is God (”without beginning of days or end of life”).
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who fulfilled all of these prophecies in 1918 when Christ Ahnsahnghong was born the majority of Korea was either Buddhist or Confucian; there was no trace of Christianity in Korea during that time, so it was impossible for Christ Ahnsahnghong to be born in a household of believers. Christ Ahnsahnghong was born in a Buddhist home; through this he fulfilled the characteristic of Melchizedek “without father or mother”.
After the destruction of Israel in 70 A.D. the Jews spread trough out the whole world, without a country of their own. They entered every nation, and mixed with the people of that nation, for this reason is very hard to tell who does not descends from a Jewish genealogy. But there was one country were the Jewish people never entered, but not only the Jews, but all other nations who didn’t belong to this one. And that was Korea, most popularly known as the “Hermit Kingdom”. The Korean people only until recent years began to accept other nations to come into their land, but before this they were very xenophobic. The Korean xenophobia even came to the extreme case where Korean women would commit suicide if they lost their chastity to another man other than their husband, and they would never mix with men from other nations. To the Korean people it was a dishonor to their culture and heritage to intermix with other nations. For this reason it is impossible for Christ Ahnsahnghong, who was born in Korea to have come from the twelve tribes of Israel, to have Jewish blood. In this way he fulfilled the characteristic of Melchizedek “No genealogy”.
How can we not believe in Him when all of the prophecies about the Second Coming Jesus testify that Ahnsahnghong is the Christ? The members of the Church of God believe that Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ our Savior, who came in the order of Melchizedek? The words of God testify about Him.
Isa. 25:6 『On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine the best of meats and the finest of wines …he will swallow up death forever…In that day they will say, “Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us.”』
Before the day of judgment comes, please accept Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Christ, who fulfilled the prophecies of Melchizedek. Christ Ahnsahnghong blessed us with eternal life through the bread and wine of the Passover. Therefore, He is our Savior.
Even if a man performs a great miracle or wonder, if he has not come in the order of Melchizedek, he cannot be the Second Coming Christ. Thus, although a man may be humble in appearance, if he follows in the order of Melchizedek, he is the Second Coming Christ.
Please recognize the Second Coming Christ through the words of the Bible so that you may receive salvation. The one who follows in the order of Melchizedek is the true God, our Savior.
Dark Angel, if your still a Buddhist then too bad for you because your not gonna follow God’s will like the Passover of the new covenant and Sabbath day and all God’s feast. Your not part of God’s Zion because your not in Church of God. Poor Dark Angel who cannot see the light.
By: Elijah on May 16, 2008
at 6:25 pm
Hi Elijah… What Church are you from? Iam in the Florida chapter.
By: Lizzie on May 17, 2008
at 9:26 am
Lizzie, if you’re not happy about us then just shut up :)
You complain so much about us not being convinced and not wanting to believe about your CoG cult even after your members have been trying to ‘prove’ it. Well, I can assure you that NONE of your arguments are solid and would stand up under reasoned, critical analysis.
I’m trained as a critical thinker, and the teachings of your church are flaky, shallow, incoherent and obvious twistings. In contrast, pure Christianity that is uninfluenced by denominational traditions is deep, well constructed and remarkably coherent.
Why, therefore, should any intelligent person accept your brand of religion over something that is so obviously superior? Do you not know that Jesus Himself told us to love God with all our MINDS? That includes the ability to think critically about every teaching to see if it’s really what God wants.
Oh oh, looks like you CoG members are not keeping the WHOLE law of God! How hypocritical!
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on May 17, 2008
at 3:37 pm
Elijah,
First, I would like to respond to your Melchizedek comment.
Second, I’ll address your remark about the origins of Christianity in South Korea and how long the SDA church have been in South Korea.
Finally, I’ll respond to your comment about me not “seeing the light”.
Ok, you said that Jesus came in the order of melchizedek and that he is the “spiritual melchizedek” because of the bread and wine he offered to his disciples.
Here are your words so that I do not misunderstand, you said:
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“Jesus came in the order of Melchizedek
Let us find out, through the Bible, who the reality of Melchizedek is.”
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You then posted Matt 26:28 to prove why he came as the “spiritual Melchizedek.
Here are more of your words to support what you said about Jesus being the spiritual Melchizedek:
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“In the Old Testament, the physical Melchizedek blessed Abraham through bread and wine, and in the New Testament, Jesus the spiritual Melchizedek blessed His people with eternal life through the Passover bread and wine. Therefore, we can understand that the character Melchizedek represents Jesus.”
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So now, we have an idea that Jesus is this “spiritual melchizedek” and being so, means that he is a Priest and King. Therefore, this “prophecy” of the savior coming in the order of melchizedek has been fulfilled through Jesus.
Why would there be a need to “fulfill” the same prophecy again?
Here are you words again:
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“Heb. 5:8-10 『Although he was a son, he…was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.』
This verse makes it clear that Jesus is the spiritual Melchizedek.
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You say Jesus IS the spiritual Melchizedek because of what he did with the bread and wine. The prophecy looks fulfilled to me. Then you state that the “spiritual Melchizedek” must be born “without parents” or unto nonbelievers.
So why are you saying that Jesus is the “spiritual Melchizedek” if he were born “with parents”? If he came in the “order of melchizedek”, why then would he need to come that way again if he is a king and priest forever?
You state in your post how Jesus is this “spiritual Melchizedek” then go about showing me how:
1. He is was born to parents who were believers
2. His geneology and that he was with the tribe of Judah
Then you say:
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“These were the characteristics of Melchizedek that Apostle Paul felt were too hard to explain.
The Second Coming Jesus, Ahnsahnghong, in the order of Melchizedek
In order to fulfill the prophecies of Melchizedek, Jesus is to come a second time. The Bible says that Jesus will come a second time.”
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In order to fulfill the prophecies of Melchizedek???
Ok, so if he did not “fulfill” this prophecy the first time then you should not refer to him as the “spiritual Melchizedek”. You’re basically saying that Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy in his first coming.
It does not make any sense for the guy to partcially fulfill a prophecy. Leaving work half done is not accomplishing anything.
So what would being born unto parents who were believers fulfill? How is that a part of this prophecy?
In order to “fulfill” a prophecy, Jesus had to be born unto parents who were believers, THEN get himself killed, only to come back to parents who were NOT believers in the Bible or the God.
You said:
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“The Second Coming Jesus will fulfill the prophecies of Melchizedek.”
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So the first coming didn’t? Why did you say that Jesus was the “spiritual Melchizedek” if he did not meet these requirements:
1. “born unto nonbelievers”
2. “born without geneology”
3. “and born unto Gentiles”
If those are the requirements to fulfill that prophecy, then it would appear that Jesus did not fulfill it. I think that you should go over the whole book of Hebrews because it clearly states that Jesus became high priest through his first coming.
If Hebrew 7:28, states that Jesus was offered to bear the sins of many, then why would he come back to do the same thing? According to COG logic, “salvation” means the Passover.
Salvation from what…sin? That’s been done before and Hebrew 7:28 states that it doesn’t need to be done again.
Being a little redundant here…
Your arguement is a bit off because the book of Hebrews points that Jesus became the High Priest in the order of melchizedek through his first coming, which is everlasting. No need for him to do it again by being born from people who doesn’t believe in him.
Hebrews 5: 5-10
Hebrews 7:17-28
By: Dark Angel on May 17, 2008
at 6:17 pm
Elijah said:
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“Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who fulfilled all of these prophecies in 1918 when Christ Ahnsahnghong was born the majority of Korea was either Buddhist or Confucian; there was no trace of Christianity in Korea during that time, so it was impossible for Christ Ahnsahnghong to be born in a household of believers.”
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Here’s a little bit of information on the origins of Christianity in South Korea.
This is a bit of information taken from a site about Christianity in South Korea
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“Since the introduction of Catholicism in 1784, followed by the arrival of Protestant missionaries in 1884, Christianity has proceeded to become–after Buddhism–the largest religion in the country. Today about one third of South Korea’s 45 million people are Christian–11 million Protestants and 3 million Roman Catholics.”
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Just run a search on “Christianity in South Korea” on GOOGLE and you will find information on it, or if you feel that the internet is an “unreliable source” and “can’t be trusted”, then hit your local library or bookstore.
Even Wikipedia has information on Christianity in South Korea.
Christianity was there before your god was born, sir. Even the Seventh Day Adventist church was there before he was born.
The Seventh Day Adventist began in 1904. They actually celebrated the 100th anniversary of being in South Korea in 2004.
So, the SDA was up and running, going door to door with their “Catholic church is the anti-christ” dogma, and your God happened to fall for their okie-doke.
How NON-Omniscient of him to do that.
Don’t take my word for it, try looking for information about Christianity NOT being in South Korea in 1918. I want to see what you can come up with. Would be interesting.
There was no trace of Christianity in South Korea during that time?? Please, South Korea would have been a missionarie’s playground back then.
By: Dark Angel on May 17, 2008
at 6:45 pm
Elijah said,
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“Poor Dark Angel who cannot see the light.”
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Why worry about me? Your God came as a Buddhist, totally contradicting how the God of the bible feels about nonbelievers.
I would assume his parents are burning in “hell”, correct?
I also spotted another contradiction in your post but I will let it go. I’m a bit tired of typing.
By: Dark Angel on May 17, 2008
at 6:51 pm
Dark Angel, I’m sorry to say but you have no clear understanding about the Order of Melchizedek. Let me make it clear as crystal for you. Okay here’s the quick rundown of the characteristic of Melchizedek:
1) He will bless us with eternal life through the Passover bread and wine.
2) He will be born among unbelievers (”without father or mother”).
3) He will be born of Gentiles (”without genealogy”).
4) He is God (”without beginning of days or end of life”).
Clearly, Jesus was testifed as the spiritual Melchizedek because He bless us with Passover bread and wine. He is also God, without beginning of days or end of life. He fulfill number one and number four. Dark Angel, is Jesus born among unbelievers? Joseph and Mary are believers. Dark Angel, does Jesus have genealogy? Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah.
Dark Angel, is Ahnsahnghong born among unbelievers? Yes He was born from a Buddist parents. Dark Angel, does Ahnsahnghong have a genealogy? Ahnsahnghong was born as Korean, not from any tribe of Judah. So is it clear to you now? This is God’s will according to the Bible so such things happened. But you keep insisting that the Second Coming Christ is going to bear our sins again. Clearly, the Bible testifies that Christ will appear a Second time, not to bear our sins but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him as prophecied in the Bible. That’s why the Bible testified that Jesus is the spiritual Melchizedek so we can recognize when Christ appear a Second time. Even Apostle Paul felt were too hard to explain about this prophecy. So I can clearly see that Dark Angel doesn’t understand the Order of Melchizedek because He doesn’t even believe this prophecy. Poor unbeliever who cannot see the light.
From our Brother Anti-enemies of Church of God,
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 17, 2008
at 8:18 pm
Elijah, stop preaching to these unbelievers. Our brothers and sisters tried to show them the truth of the Bible but they don’t want it. Let them keep insisting that we are still in the age of the Son when we are clearly in the age of the Holy Spirit. They are like the Jews 2000 years ago when they keep insisting that they are still in the age of the Father. I really feel bad for these unbelievers who cannot see the truth of God’s will in the Bible. On the other hand, let’s continue to follow God according to the Bible to show that we love Him.
John 14:15-21 – “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
By: Poland on May 17, 2008
at 9:30 pm
GOOD WORK! Dark Angel
I think you represent Apostle Paul who in this age so clearly explained the order of Melchizedec but the COG members will find it difficult to understand.
Hard nuts to crack after all what once is fed into the brain is difficult to erase.
They are the children of false Gods following wrong interpretation of the Bible.
Elijah stop repeating the same stuff over and over again. You must come back with right answers and to the pont.
I can see your mental state its going off track. You are overworked. You need to meditate and seek counselling.
Wake up! Take a walk Breathe in some fresh air and ponder deeply onto the name of Jesus and you will see the light.
God Bless.
By: warren on May 17, 2008
at 9:59 pm
Elijah,
You can say what ever you want about my understanding, thanks.
Anyway, you say that it is through Jesus geneology that he did not “complete” this prophecy because of Joesph and Mary.
So are you saying that you do not believe in the virgin birth? Do you not believe the bible when it says that God impregnated Mary?
I’ll just use the same guilt tactic many of you use, “the Bible is God’s word, how would you not believe in the virgin birth”?
At what point in time did Joseph impregnate Mary? If they became intimate, then, she was not a virgin/pure. If you say that the tribe of Judah would be passed through Mary and not Joseph, then that too will not be incorrect, because Tribal Indentity does not pass on from the Mother, it is passed through the Father of the child and according to Christian belief, Mary was a virgin, therefore, Jesus had no biological father.
The mother passes the Jewish Indentity to the child. So the child is born as Jewish through his Mother THEN identified by Tribe through his Father.
So again, how would Joseph fit into the equation of geneology? He wouldn’t if you believe in the virgin birth and if he was from Joseph, then Jesus would be nothing but a NORMAL Human Being, not a “perfect God”, which would then go against Christian belief to not indentify Jesus as the “son of God” or God’s begotten son.
So which one is it, Elijah. Virgin birth or did Joseph actually become intimate with her to produce a normal human being baby? She wouldn’t be called a virgin if that happened.
Genesis 49:10
Isaiah 11:1
Even the Jews are waiting for their Messiah to be born through HUMAN parents to produce a HUMAN baby qualified to fulfill prophesies.
If Jesus fulfilled 1 and 4 of your outline, then there is no need for 2 and 3. It doesn’t make any sense for him to hold the title of “Priest and King” if they were not completely fulfilled.
You say that he fulfilled 1 and 4, only for him to die, wait over 2000 yrs to come back again to fulfill 1, 4, all over again while adding 2 and 3.
You gotta be kidding. He couldn’t get it right the first time I guess. You’re saying that the guy left his work half done while claiming that he fulfilled them in his first coming.
Hmm, ok.
You also believe that eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ was “abolished” by Constantine. If that were the case, then Catholics would not have the Eucharist, which is the eating of Jesus’ Body and and drinking of his Blood.
They believe as you do, that it cleanses them from sin. The same sin that Jesus died for. They observe it perhaps once a week, you perhaps observe it once a year while observing a holiday known as the Passover, in which Jesus did not have one Gentile present with him.
Jesus was aware that Gentiles were not able to partake in the Passover because it was law. Question is, why are you? He did say to eat of his body and drink of his blood but no where in the bible does it state for Gentiles to observe the Passover “the way Jesus did”.
The “Early Christians” who were Jews observed the Passover “the way Jesus did” because they were decendants or converts. Gentiles however, would first have to convert to Judaism in order to partake in this Passover observance.
For no uncircumcised man should partake in that holiday. All who observed the Passover with Jesus were circumcised. In a way, the “early Christians” who were Jews, were still followers of Judaism and it’s laws.
It was the Gentiles who were not circumcised that were not able to follow in the footsteps of the Jews that followed Jesus because of the law in which Jesus himself still adhered to, which would be not allowing non-jews to observe the Passover without converting.
That is one of many things that caused division in the “early church” because the Gentiles could NOT observe the Jewish Passover. Yes, the same Jewish Passover in which Jesus himself observed.
So the “Christian Passover” was to come about to separate itself from the Jewish Passover and the laws that was applied to Gentiles.
Which then gave birth to Easter and also gave more than enough reason for Constantine to approve of it in 325AD.
If you want, I can show you the reason behind his approval and why Saturday worship was changed to Sunday. It is basically about separating the Gentile from the Jews, who in turn believed in the same person as God.
I’ve already gone over this on the Cult Watch Message board along side COGinator. I don’t feel there would be a need to explain so much when you can go there and read it.
Lastly, I never said that Jesus would come a second time to “bear sin”. You may have misunderstood something I have said, but nowhere in my post have I said that.
By: Dark Angel on May 18, 2008
at 1:51 am
So, after all the destroying of nonbelievers in the OT, God decides to..*SMILE* “allow” himself to be born unto nonbelievers.
I guess we should just erase these passages from the bible?
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
Deuteronomy 13:7-12
Exodus 31:12-15
And anything else dealing with nonbelivers getting destroyed. God then turned around and allowed himself to be a product of something that he despises.
Thousands of people who have gotten killed have died in vain.
To make it worse, he became a product of people who worshipped idols, breaking the 3rd and 4th Commandment.
Wow, what a guy.
Would it have made a difference if he allowed himself to be a product of Satanist?
Oh I’m sorry, they too believe in God, they just don’t worship him.
The bible says that God does not change (Mal 3:6), and that he does not change his mind(Num 23:19,and 1 Sam 15:29).
Jesus also doesn’t change(Heb 13:8) and is the same at all times.
So, the idea of God “changing his view” on nonbelievers only to become a PRODUCT of nonbelievers rather than believers, well, no need to say more.
God forcing himself to go against his own Will. That’s similar to a racist person forcing him/herself to marry a person which is of another race they despise and have no respect for…for the sake of “fulfilling prophecy”.
Makes no sense.
Oh and keep thinking that Christianity didn’t exist in South Korea in 1918. Whoever told that to you is playing you for a fool.
By: Dark Angel on May 18, 2008
at 2:44 am
Poland said “Elijah, stop preaching to these unbelievers. ”
Is that the CoG code for “stop or you’ll start to undo all the brainwashing that we’ve done. These guys are on to the inconsistances that we teach so we better stop before we do collateral damage to MJ’s cult machine.”
Ironically, it takes a Buddist like Dark Angel to cleary point out the false teaching of the the CoG. We all see it…he just talented to communicate very well in this blog!!
Thanks for you help Dark Angel!!
By: COGInator on May 18, 2008
at 6:52 am
Let me make a correction, I stated in my post:
“If you say that the tribe of Judah would be passed through Mary and not Joseph, then that too will not be incorrect..etc.”
I meant to say that it would NOT be correct, not the other way around.
Heritage is passed on from Mother to child.
Tribe is passed on from BIOLOGICAL Father to child.
That’s the way it is. So Joseph may have “adopted” Jesus but he sure was not his biological father.
By: Dark Angel on May 18, 2008
at 7:03 am
Hey COGinator,
Hey man, I’m just trying to sharing information. I think you, Ted and others alike are really doing the hard work, so I should be thanking you.
Thank you! ..lol.
:-)
By: Dark Angel on May 18, 2008
at 7:07 am
Hang on! Poland. It is just the beginning. We still got to prove from the Bible besides you’ll like to harp we keep GOD’s word, feasts, veil etc
This is what the Bible is supposed to do! It cuts to the heart; the soul of man and reveals what’s really in there! It is hard for you accept the fact when told you are in the cult. You want fairy tales.
Right now, your Prophet Elijah is in meeting with the higher ups, probably he/she is warned its time to stay off this board concluding the Internet is evil or in contact with a hacker
In the meantime just to brief you all Cog’s
Religions often use biblical scripture in order to back up these doctrines and laws or as a weapon in order to intimidate and control the congregation.
Most of the time it is through the interpretation and misinterpretation of the Bible that these laws become reality to the members. Some individuals have been damaged both spiritually and emotionally
Secrecy within the church becomes another tool to maintain control. And, prospective members are not told the realities of the religion until they have been programmed sufficiently and are submissive enough to be nothing more than non-thinking sheep.
Some churches use fear as a method to obtain members. A typical tactic would be to word sermons like this:
“What if you walk out this door and die. You may never get salvation and thus,
Guilt “You need to get right with God. You are a sinner and fall short. Get your life right now.”
Jesus told us who He was – He didn’t mince words. “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).
WAKE UP COG people!!! This is false teaching! This is NOT of God and doesn’t align with his Word
By: Jonah on May 18, 2008
at 12:45 pm
CoG = Cult of Greed.
If I didn’t have a conscience, I’d open my own chapter and start recruiting the lonely and naive as well.
By: Jason on May 19, 2008
at 12:35 am
I personally am not convinced of any organized religion – I believe in the possibility that one has it right – but is it too much to see “Real Proof”?
As a family member of a WMS-CoG fanatic who’s alienated their whole family, I’d like to share a few quotes that I personally identify with:
The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.
— Albert Einstein
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
— Ralph Waldo Emerson
Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone.
— Thomas Jefferson
It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
— Abraham Lincoln
One defeats a fanatic precisely by not being a fanatic oneself, but on the contrary by using one’s intelligence.
— George Orwell
Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science? … No other human institution comes close.
— Carl Sagan
If devotion to truth is the hallmark of morality, then there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking…. The alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short-circuit destroying the mind.
— Ayn Rand
If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be — a Christian.
— Mark Twain
Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men.
— Voltaire
By: Jason on May 19, 2008
at 12:54 am
Dark Angel, you are not really understanding your Bible at all. I’m very sorry for you but please don’t try to interpret the Bible because it interpret on it’s own. Again, I’ll enlighten you.
Dark Angel said “At what point in time did Joseph impregnate Mary? If they became intimate, then, she was not a virgin/pure. If you say that the tribe of Judah would be passed through Mary and not Joseph, then that too will not be incorrect, because Tribal Indentity does not pass on from the Mother, it is passed through the Father of the child and according to Christian belief, Mary was a virgin, therefore, Jesus had no biological father.”
Dark Angel, read your Bible correctly.
Matthew 1:1-17
1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
7Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
15Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b]
Dark Angel, do you know better than God’s word? This is what the Bible says. If you think your better than God’s words then you might as well delete these entire section from Matthew. Clearly, Jesus came from a family with genealogy from twelve tribes of Israel, in other words with Jewish blood. So Dark Angel, does Jesus have a father and mother here on Earth? Yes, Joseph and Virgin Mary are Jesus father and mother here on Earth.
Dark Angel said” I guess we should just erase these passages from the bible?
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
Deuteronomy 13:7-12
Exodus 31:12-15
Dark Angel, do you know the will of God? Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ according to the prophecies in the Bible, not some God that we proclaim without looking at the prophecies in the Bible.
John 14:23:27
23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
25″All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in (Jesus)my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
Revelations 3:12-13
12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him (Jesus)my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Are this clear to you Dark Angel?
Dark Angel said “You also believe that eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ was “abolished” by Constantine. If that were the case, then Catholics would not have the Eucharist, which is the eating of Jesus’ Body and and drinking of his Blood.
They believe as you do, that it cleanses them from sin. The same sin that Jesus died for. They observe it perhaps once a week, you perhaps observe it once a year while observing a holiday known as the Passover, in which Jesus did not have one Gentile present with him.
Jesus was aware that Gentiles were not able to partake in the Passover because it was law. Question is, why are you? He did say to eat of his body and drink of his blood but no where in the bible does it state for Gentiles to observe the Passover “the way Jesus did”.
The “Early Christians” who were Jews observed the Passover “the way Jesus did” because they were decendants or converts. Gentiles however, would first have to convert to Judaism in order to partake in this Passover observance.”
Dark Angel, is it okay to alternate God’s set times and laws?
Daniel 7:25
25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. [a]
Dark Angel, are you with Satan who change the appointed times and laws of God? I guess your with Satan who likes to change Jesus’ Passover to Roman Catholics Eucharist and Communion. Or maybe Saturday Sabbath, the 7th day and day of worship for God to Sunday from Roman Emperor Constantine who thinks he knows better than the Bible?
Matthew 5:17-10
17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Dark Angel, I guess you didn’t understand this. Let me show you what’s actually written in the Bible, not an opinion like yours.
Luke 4:14-16
14Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15He taught in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was (Jesus)his custom. And he stood up to read.
Matthew 26:17-28
17On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
18He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ ” 19So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
20When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve. 21And while they were eating, he said, “I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me.”
22They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, “Surely not I, Lord?”
23Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
25Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, “Surely not I, Rabbi?”
Jesus answered, “Yes, it is you.”[a]
26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the[b] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Dark Angel, should I take Constantine’s words or what the Bible says? Let’s play a game, you follow Constantine’s opinion while I keep the customs on Jesus. So who’s actually following Jesus examples? Of course me and the rest of Church of God. So far, your opinion or your own understanding seems to prevent you from what is actually written in the Bible. To you Dark Angel and the rest of Church of God haters especially Ted, the Erratic Cheese who keeps making up lies about Church of God, your guys need to look at the Bible carefully because right now you guys are going against God’s words.
Acts 5:38-39
38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 19, 2008
at 2:28 pm
Jonah said “Jesus told us who He was – He didn’t mince words. “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).
WAKE UP COG people!!! This is false teaching! This is NOT of God and doesn’t align with his Word”
Of course. Jesus told us who He was, the Son of Man. Since Church of God keep Jesus words absolutely, then Church of God follows the way of Jesus to eternal life. But since anti-Church of God follows their own flaws and try to give praise to God on their own by them keeping Sunday, Christmas and Communion, they are not following Jesus examples. Poor Jonah who draws a circle on his back that looks like a sign for an unbeliever.
By: Elijah on May 19, 2008
at 2:35 pm
Today was Heavenly Mothers Day and I am sorry I wasnt here to “argue” w you, but Mothers Day was way more important than a day argueing w an unbeliever. I have noticed that quite a few CoG members have tried to open the eyes of the people that leave messages here but to no avail. Jesus said “My sheep listen to my voice” and fo those that do not listen… its because their father is the father of lies!
You either are sons of God and follow his commands or…
John 10:3
The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me
John 8:42
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
By: Lizzie on May 19, 2008
at 3:09 pm
Or maybe you’ve noticed that no one has fallen trap to the CoG’s false teaching. That could be a sign that’s it’s not true.
By the way Elijah, Dark Angel stands corrected. It didn’t say in the geneology that Joseph was the father of Jesus. Everywhere else it said who was the father, but verse 16 said “and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”
Maybe not so clear, but it obvioulsy breaks the pattern that preceded the introduction of Jesus.
By: COGInator on May 19, 2008
at 5:08 pm
Wow I found another website that is committed to attack Church of God World Mission Society. Ted, is this one is yours also? Or maybe Jamie and you Ted are brothers and sisters of Satan since you guys are the Jews and Pharisees of our age Holy Spirit, trying to fight the prophecy of God. Also, guys like Jamie and Ted are looking up in the sky for the Son of Man to come literally from clouds of heaven. Stupid and ignorant of the Bible, hehehe!!! It is said that truth is found in commonness. Some try to find it in something special, but the Bible says that we have treasure in jars of clay. Thus, truth is in commonness.
God leads all things very quietly in a common way. Actually the works of Jesus Christ were not filled only with miraculous signs and wonders: We can find many things which look common in His works. His disciples and the gospel-writers, however, found something spiritual in those common things, and they wrote what they realized, being filled with the Holy Spirit. So now we, who are in the faith, get moved by what they wrote (2 Pe 1:20-21). However, from a worldly viewpoint, those things may be regarded as common and trivial.
Tell him that the Lord needs the donkey
Lately I found great joy in a Biblical passage, spoken by Jesus Christ. The passage says, “Tell him that the Lord needs them.” This seems so ordinary.
Mt 21:1-11『As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples, saying to them, “Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away.” This took place to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: “Say to the Daughter of Zion, ‘See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.'” The disciples went and did as Jesus had instructed them. They brought the donkey and the colt, placed their cloaks on them, and Jesus sat on them. …』
When Jesus entered Jerusalem, He told His disciples to bring a donkey to Him, in order to fulfill the prophecy of the Bible. The disciples were very perplexed. In those days, it was hard for the poor to have a donkey. Jesus and His disciples, who only spent their time preaching the gospel of the kingdom, didn’t have a donkey. So the disciples were embarrassed, wondering whose donkey they should bring. Then Jesus said, “Tell him that the Lord needs it.”
If a total stranger comes and says, “Give a donkey, for the Lord needs it,” who will give it to him willingly? The owner of the donkey, however, gave his donkey willingly to the disciples when they asked him to give it to them as Jesus had instructed them. This happened to fulfill the prophecy of the Christ’s coming as the king on a donkey.
Outwardly it might be regarded as a trivial thing that Jesus entered Jerusalem, riding on a donkey. However, spiritually it occurred to fulfill God’s prophecy. Everything was prepared and done as Jesus said, “Tell him that the Lord needs them.”
Tell him that the Lord needs his upper room
Jesus said the same word at the Passover. In the evening of the day before Jesus was crucified on the cross after accomplishing His mission in this earth, He told His disciples to prepare the Passover so that He might establish it as the new covenant. Then the disciples were perplexed. Jesus didn’t tell them where and what to prepare; He just said to them, “Tell him that the Lord needs it.” However, this word made everything possible.
Mk 14:12-16『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. Say to the owner of the house he enters, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.” The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.』
The disciples went into the city to a certain man. They didn’t know who would meet them in the city, but they went and met a man carrying a jar of water as Jesus had told them; and they said to him, “Our Lord told us to tell you that He needs your guest room.”
The disciples only told him that the Lord needed his room, and then he willingly showed them a large upper room, where Jesus and the disciples celebrated the Passover. By this word―”The Lord needs it,” a guest room was prepared right away, where Jesus would eat the Passover. Everything was prepared by this one word―”The Lord needs it.”
I will make you fishers of men
While Jesus accomplished the gospel work in the Early Church, leading His disciples into the truth, He only spoke the word―”The Lord needs them.”
Mt 4:18-22『As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “And I will make you fishers of men.” At once they left their nets and followed him. Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.』
“Follow me. I need you.” When Jesus said that, all followed Him. Peter, John, James, … none of them refused Him. It’s because the Lord Himself said, “I need you,” and called them.
Jesus never seemed like God. Jesus appeared to them only as a son of Joseph the carpenter: No one could recognize Him as God Al-mighty―the Creator―who commands the heavens and rules over thousands upon thousands of angels, sitting on the throne of majesty.
Actually, however, all the creatures of the earth are always ready to fulfill God’s will, when they hear that the Lord needs them. In the Bible we can find no person who said, “No,” when the Lord said, “I need you.” All just said, “Yes.” No creature on earth has the power to refuse the Lord, replying “No,” when the Lord says, “I need you.”
When Paul was devoted to Judaism, he intently persecuted the saints of the Early Church. He was later converted to Christ, but many saints were still afraid of him. Christ, however, spoke to them in a vision, “Do not be afraid of him.”
Ac 9:15『”… This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel”』
When the Lord calls a man, though he is stubborn and rough, though he is now deeply devoted to a different religion, he is supposed to bow his head before the truth. This is the providence of God.
Blessing of those whom God needs
Now is a spiritual autumn―the harvest time. In this age, the Lord needs us. There are about six billion people in the world. They are as the sand of the sea. Among them God has called you and I, saying, “I need you.”
The Lord Himself needs me. What a great blessing! Among those whom God needed and called, who did wrong and went astray? None of them. As for Peter, he was only a fisherman and little known. However, the Lord needed him and led him to the truth, and he became an apostle of apostles. He is held in great esteem by all Christians today. How about Apostle Paul? He was once against the truth and persecuted the saints. When the Lord needed him and called him to be converted, he testified that Jesus is the Christ before the Gentiles and the kings and preached the new covenant, suffering many things. As a result, he has also been highly respected by all Christians until today. Like this, everyone whom the Lord needed acquired fame.
Now, the Lord needs us; even angels in heaven envy us for our duty. Is this world better than heaven? Certainly not. Nevertheless angels envy us for our mission we do here on earth―the work of preaching the gospel of the new covenant (1 Pe 1:10-12).
Now, the time has come when God accomplishes His glorious work. We must not hesitate when we are called. What did Peter, John and James do when the Lord called them? They didn’t hesitate to follow Christ and do His works. Like them, we too should respond to God’s call without hesitation.
Their life was so eventful; they had much trouble and got persecuted. However, when the Lord said that He needed them, they followed Him willingly in obedience. They did not care about their outward surroundings. They just made every effort to be a vessel worthy of God’s work.
Isa 60:1-22『”Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you. See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the LORD rises upon you and his glory appears over you. Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn. Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the arm. Then you will look and be radiant, your heart will throb and swell with joy; the wealth on the seas will be brought to you, to you the riches of the nations will come. Herds of camels will cover your land, … Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their nests? …Then will all your people be righteous and they will possess the land forever. They are the shoot I have planted, the work of my hands, for the display of my splendor. The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation. I am the LORD; in its time I will do this swiftly.”』
If the Lord says, “I will do this,” it is done just as He says. Every-thing is possible and supposed to be accomplished if the Lord says that He will do it. When the Lord said that He needed a donkey, the disciples went to bring it. No one rejected the Lord when He said that He needed him. All creatures were waiting for the Lord to use them.
Even as for a donkey, when the Lord needed it, its owner allowed the disciples to bring it, though he had no part with them. Then, why is such a thing that appears common written in the Gospel? We need to consider.
Think about the donkey the disciples brought to the Lord when He said He needed it. There might be many other donkeys in Israel at that time. Among them the Lord needed only one donkey and it was brought to Him and used for King of kings and Lord of lords to enter Jerusalem. How blessed it was, though it was an animal! The donkey God chose to fulfill the prophecy is well-known; about two thousand years have passed, but we still talk about it.
It is the same with Mark’s upper room. When the Lord said that He needed it, Mark the owner prepared it. It has been the only upper room remembered by the world until today. All become famous if the Lord needs and chooses them. Their glory is great and endures forever.
Most people in this earth do not know why they are born. To us, however, God showed the glory of heaven.
Among six billion people, it is the 144,000 who God has needed and chosen. He ever chose only one donkey among many other ones, so that He might fulfill the prophecy. He chose Mark’s upper room among many guest rooms in Israel at that time. Likewise, He has chosen and called us the 144,000, as firstfruits to God and the Lamb, in these last days.
There are many great speakers who have much scholarship in the world. However, God didn’t choose them. He has called us and said, “I need you.” If we say Amen when God needs and calls us, we shall all be prophetic heroes for God’s glory.
Go and make disciples of all nations
Now, we should only be used by God, as He has called us.
Mt 28:18-20『Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”』
God is with those whom He needs, even to the end of the age. Among six billion people, who are those whom God is always with and loves? Aren’t they all of us? The Lord has called us, saying, “I need you.”
Socrates, a famous Greek philosopher, said: “Know yourself.” Ironically, Socrates and even Buddha didn’t know themselves. We, however, know ourselves―why we are born on earth and live a miserable life, where we are from, and where we are going. God let us know that.
Since the eternal kingdom awaits us, we must not waste our time on vain things in this earth; we should be more faithful to the task that the Lord has called us to do. However, this does not mean that we should neglect our earthly responsibilities. For the eternal life in heaven, we must live more faithful and favorable lives on this earth.
Two thousand years ago, the donkey was chosen for the mission to carry the Christ―King of kings and Lord of lords―to Jerusalem. Mark’s upper room was prepared for the Passover which Jesus would establish as the new covenant. Now, we have a greater mission than that of the donkey or the upper room.
The Lord has called us and said, “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” This is the mission to which God has called us.
We should make them disciples just as the Lord has already told us. When you preach the gospel to someone, if he is doubtful of it and hesitates, tell him that the Lord needs him. Then he will not hesitate to come.
If we work with faith, God helps us. God estimates our faith. He does not help us right away; He waits for us to have 100% faith in Him and then gives us His power. God waits until we have a perfect faith.
The Lord says to us, “I need you.” He has called us, who are weak in the world, and has given us a great mission―the last Reformation.
God has come as the Spirit and the Bride and entrusted us with the gospel work, saying, “I need you.” How gracious! As the Lord intends to use us to carry out the last Reformation, it will be accomplished swiftly. Now, the only thing left for us to do is following God’s will naturally.
Though we are weak, God needs us. So, we can confidently say to whomever we meet, “The Lord needs you. Come!” “The Lord told me to take you to Him,” “The Lord has said that He needs you.” Brothers and sisters in Zion! We are the ones whom the Lord needs. Let us faithfully perform the mission of preaching the gospel in these last days, receiving the Holy Spirit even more.
By: Robert on May 19, 2008
at 5:38 pm
COGinator said “Or maybe you’ve noticed that no one has fallen trap to the CoG’s false teaching. That could be a sign that’s it’s not true.
By the way Elijah, Dark Angel stands corrected. It didn’t say in the geneology that Joseph was the father of Jesus. Everywhere else it said who was the father, but verse 16 said “and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”
Maybe not so clear, but it obvioulsy breaks the pattern that preceded the introduction of Jesus.”
COGinator, are you blind and you can’t read the what the Bible is testifying? It’s not a matter on me or Dark Angel is right. It’s what’s actually written in the Bible.
By: Elijah on May 19, 2008
at 5:47 pm
LMAO, nice to see 12 year olds trying to interpret the Bible.
Oh no, the world is going to end! Save me magical Korean man!
By: LOLAGE on May 19, 2008
at 7:50 pm
Elijah,
I’ve read the “genealogy” written about Jesus. No it is not my interpretation, it is what it is. No interpretation needed.
It goes from giving a list of names decended through BLOOD and ends with Joseph the Male and son of Jacob. Joseph who married a woman who was already pregnant with Jesus, God’s seed:
“16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”
Joesph ADOPTED Jesus, Joseph was not biologically his blood father as indicated throughout the list.
When in any history of Royalty have there been a time when a person is adopted and in able to sit
on the thrown as King? There has never been an occasion as such and if you want to consider the story about Moses being adopted by the Egyptian Royalty, then, again he may have been adopted, but he would have not been able to sit on the thrown to rule over Egypt.
So you’re basically saying that Jesus has two Fathers. God and Joseph who adopted him. Jesus was not the SEED of Joseph but if you want to believe that, then I guess you will have to show me somehow.
Just as the bible indicated that god took a rib from man to make woman, the bible could have indicated the God took the seed of Joseph and performed artificial insemination, but no, that is not the case or else it would have mentioned it i’m sure.
However, if it WERE the case, then Jesus would NOT be a “perfect God”, he would be but a Human Being without perfection.
Again, you’re arguements are off. Since people want to say, “if it’s not in the bible, then it doesn’t exist” then yes, the possible idea and theory of God artificially inseminating Mary did not happen and is definitely not the case.
Please provide proof that Jesus is the BIOLOGICAL son of Joseph. I assure you, that you wouldn’t be able to, even with the “genealogy record” from the bible, we all know that Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary and that he magically appeared pregnant. That is the story that you must believe in.
Jesus is either the biological son of Joseph OR the son of God who existed before creation, and is considered a part of “the Trinity”.
The bible says what it says about the genealogy of Jesus but, that does not change the definition of genealogy. You can not just adopt someone and consider them blood relatives. No matter how much you love them.
If your father adopted another child, your father may be his guardian and parent but the child is NOT his biological son, through your Mother and your Father.
If there was a family tree, that child’s name would not be on that tree UNLESS the parent decides to make an exception and still, it wouldn’t magically make his your blood relative and apart of your family tree.
Perhaps you need to go over the definition of Genealogy.
Genealogy: (from Greek: γενεα, genea, “family”; and λόγος, logos, “knowledge”) is the study and tracing of family lineages and history.
Genealogical research is a complex process that uses historical records to establish biological, genetic, or familial kinship. Reliable conclusions are based on the quality of sources, ideally original records, the information within those sources, ideally primary or firsthand information, and the evidence that can be drawn, directly or indirectly, from that information.
In many instances, genealogists must skillfully assemble indirect or circumstantial evidence to build a case for identity and kinship. All evidence and conclusions, together with the documentation that supports them, is then assembled to create a cohesive “genealogy” or “family history.”
[1] Traditionalists may differentiate between these last two terms, using the former to describe skeletal accounts of kinship (aka family trees) and the latter as a “fleshing out” of lives and personal histories. However, historical, social, and family context is in any case essential to achieving correct identification of individuals and relationships.
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 8:25 pm
LOLAGE, stop playing games with your sarcastic comment and post something from the Bible. Christ Ahnsahnghong can save you if you follow Him and receive the Seal of God.
Our Father, Christ Ahnsahnghong, came according to the scriptures. From the old to new testament, there are so many scriptures that confirm that Second Coming Christ will come from the EAST.
Isaiah 24:14-15 – In the EAST they give glory to God. Now we acclaim Christ Ahnsahnghong in the West!
Isaiah 41:2 – The righteous one that will serve God is “stirred up” from the EAST.
Isaiah 46:7 – The bird of prey, a man from the EAST, will fulfill God’s purpose.
Malachi 1:11 – God’s name will be great from the rising of the sun, (the EAST) to the setting of the sun (the West).
Matthew 24:27 – As lightning from the EAST is visible in the West, so is the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.
And this ones for LOLAGE:
Revelations 7:1-3 – After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. THEN I SAW ANOTHER ANGEL COMING UP FROM THE EAST, HAVING THE SEAL OF THE LIVING GOD. HE CALLED OUT IN A LOUD VOICE TO THE FOUR ANGELS WHO HAD BEEN GIVEN POWER TO HARM THE LAND AND THE SEA: “DO NOT HARM THE LAND OR THE SEA OR THE TREES UNTIL WE PUT A SEAL ON THE FOREHEADS OF THE SERVANTS OF OUR GOD.”
So, from what geographic direction should God come in the last days? Should he come from the Arctic, or Israel, or Russia, or the USA. No, he should come from the EAST. So, is it really that ‘far-fetched’ that the Gospel of Christ Ahnsahnghong began in South Korea—from the farthest EASTERN corner? Then, does it make sense that he would have an EASTERN name, and not a name like John Smith or Keshawn Brown?
Christ Ahnsahnghong continues to receive acclaim and praise in the West!
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the righteous one who fulfilled the prophecies of King David, Kind Cyrus, Mechizedek, the Root of David…
Christ Ahnsahnghong carried us on eagle’s wings to our Heavenly Mother God—New Jerusalem.
Christ Ahnsahnghong brought the Gospel that has spread like lightning from the EAST that is now preached even in the West.
Christ Ahnsahnghong’s ministry, like the sun rising in the EAST, is reaching its fulfillment where the sun sets—the West
LOLAGE, your the one who sounds like a 12 year old trying to interpret the Bible. Read the Bible with an open mind.
By: Poland on May 19, 2008
at 8:35 pm
In regards to Constantine…
The man was Anti-Semetic, similar to Hitler. His actions derived from his disgust and hatred of the Jews…period.
You don’t need to read the bible to come to that conclusion. I don’t just post bible scripture unless I feel the need to, so what I write is indeed my opinion, but it does not make it any less vaild in regards to the subject.
We can post bible scripture all day long, what would that prove? Nothing, besides that we can both post bible scripture and anyone can do that.
Elijah, you said, “Clearly, Jesus came from a family with genealogy from twelve tribes of Israel, in other words with Jewish blood. So Dark Angel, does Jesus have a father and mother here on Earth? Yes, Joseph and Virgin Mary are Jesus father and mother here on Earth.”
Elijah, again, Mary gave Jesus the Jewish Indentity, if Joseph was his actual BIOLOGICAL Father, then yes, he would be apart of the Tribe of Judah.
But NO, the man was adopted. You sir, need to understand that.
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 8:37 pm
Let’s talk about Emperor Constantine. I’ve mentioned before that this man did like like the Jews, which is true and he also wanted to separate the Jews from the Christians.
Here’s some information on him. But please, do not take my word for it, read on the history of this man and his hatred against the Jews and their laws.
The Emperor Constantine the Great
“Constantine the Great, who is considered a saint by the Greek Orthodox Church, instituted several legislative measures concerning the Jews and all other religions excepting Christianity: Non-Christians were forbidden to own Christian slaves or to circumcise their slaves. Conversion of Christians to Judaism or other religions was outlawed. Congregations for Jewish religious services were restricted but had elevated status over pagan religions. Constantine also supported the separation of the date of Easter from the Jewish Passover (see also Quartodecimanism), stating in his letter after the First Council of Nicaea:
“… it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. … Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way.”[16]
Theodoret’s Ecclesiastical History records The Epistle of the Emperor Constantine, concerning the matters transacted at the Council, addressed to those Bishops who were not present:
“It was, in the first place, declared improper to follow the custom of the Jews in the celebration of this holy festival, because, their hands having been stained with crime, the minds of these wretched men are necessarily blinded. … Let us, then, have nothing in common with the Jews, who are our adversaries. … Let us … studiously avoiding all contact with that evil way. … For how can they entertain right views on any point who, after having compassed the death of the Lord, being out of their minds, are guided not by sound reason, but by an unrestrained passion, wherever their innate madness carries them. … lest your pure minds should appear to share in the customs of a people so utterly depraved. … Therefore, this irregularity must be corrected, in order that we may no more have any thing in common with those parricides and the murderers of our Lord. … no single point in common with the perjury of the Jews.”
If anyone wants the link to this information, please let me know. I was not able to post the link on this forum.
I will continue….
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 9:16 pm
Under the Christian Roman Empire
When Christianity became the state religion of Rome in the 4th century, Jews became objects of religious intolerance and political oppression. Christian literature began to display extreme hostility to Jews, and this occasionally resulted in attacks on Jews and the burning of synagogues.
Emperor Constantine I instituted several laws concerning Jews: they were forbidden to own Christian slaves or to circumcise their slaves. Conversion of Christians to Judaism was outlawed. Congregations for religious services were restricted, but Jews were allowed to enter Jerusalem on Tisha B’Av, the anniversary of the destruction of the Temple.
Discrimination became worse in the 5th century. Jews were barred from the civil service and the army. The Jewish Patriarchate was abolished and the scope of Jewish courts restricted. New synagogues were confiscated and old synagogues could be repaired only if they were in danger of collapse. Synagogues fell into ruin or were converted to churches.
Synagogues in the following places were destroyed: Tortona in 350, Rome in 388 and 500, Raqqa in 388, Minorca in 418, Daphne (near Antioch) in 489 and 507, Genoa in 500, Ravenna in 495, Tours in 585 and Orleans in 590.
Other synagogues were confiscated: Urfa in 411, several in Palestine between 419 and 422, Constantinople in 442 and 569, Antioch in 423, Vannes in 465, Diyarbakir in 500 Terracina in 590, Cagliari in 590 and Palermo in 590.”
I also have the link to this information. It’s best to read everything that it says, so please anyone, let me know if you want the link.
I will continue somemore….
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 9:19 pm
Well we have total 671 comments on this blog and prophet Elijah is back with the 666 comment at 2:28 p.m. You know what 666 means….
Let me explain:
When asked for signs of His second “coming, and of the end of the age” (Matthew 24:3), Jesus said there would be many false religious teachers (verses 4-5, 11). These teachers are going to be especially persuasive. They will be deceived themselves and teach deceptions
Satan disguises himself as “an angel of light” and his ministers disguise themselves as “ministers of righteousness” (2 Corinthians 11:14-15).
As this present age comes to an end, the Bible says Satan will have a hand in helping the false teachers deceive human beings. By his work, many will be deluded into believing a religious lie. Satan will attack the mind before he attacks the soul
Satan also deceives the world with a counterfeit Jesus and a counterfeit gospel. The deception is so clever that the church puts up with it. “For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough” (2 Cor. 11:4).
False prophets are not limited to religious leaders. They may be a political figure with a plan to save the world, an electrifying superstar entertainer, or the author of a book promoting a new movement like Ahnsahnghong
WHY PEOPLE LOSE THEIR MIND?
1. Disobedience to God.
2. Arrogance and pride
By: Jonah on May 19, 2008
at 9:29 pm
3. People who follow money-grubbing hypocrites.
By: Jason Pittman on September 29, 2009
at 9:37 am
Has anyone heard of the Jewish Talmud, if so, you would know the foul things that are said in that book. Non-Jews are viewed as dogs, more or less. There are some racist remarks as well.
So understand this, there were plenty of people who did not agree with the Jews and their laws for that reason.
Also, the Early Christians were going through problems even before Constantine arrived on the scene. There were Jews who followed Christ and there were Gentiles who followed Christ.
The Jews who followed Christ still adehered to the laws of Judaism. And why wouldn’t they, I mean just because their Messiah was said to have come, doesn’t mean the religion of Judaism wasn’t TRANSFORMED into Christianity.
No..it’s still Judaism. If a savior of a certain religion appears, the religion stays the same. So to that effect, Jewish Christians were not in agreement with Gentile Christians.
The problems started before Constantine.
Early Divisions
“There have been philosophical differences between Christianity and Rabbinical Judaism since the founding of Christianity. Christians claim the entirety of Jewish / Hebrew religious heritage, yet interpret it very differently. Jews feel that their own beliefs and religious heritage have been taken over by Christians.
Debates between the Early Christians – who at first understood themselves as a movement within Judaism, not as a separate religion – and other Jews initially revolved around the question whether Jesus was the Messiah or not, which also encompassed the issue of his divinity.
Once gentiles were converted to Christianity, the question arose whether and how far these Gentile Christians were obliged to follow Jewish law in order to follow Jesus (see Paul’s Letter to the Galatians).
At the Council of Jerusalem, (Acts 15), it was decided that new gentile converts did not have to follow all the prescriptions of the Jewish law, in particular circumcision, however observance of a subset, (the Apostolic Decree of Acts 15:19-21), was requested which some consider to be related to Judaism’s Noahide Law, (see also Old Testament#Christian view of the Law for the modern debate), but Paul also questioned the validity of Jewish Christian’s adherence to the Jewish law in relation to faith in Christ (see also Antinomianism, Law and Gospel, Pauline Christianity).
The increase of the numbers of gentile Christians in comparison to Jewish Christians eventually resulted in a rift between Christianity and Judaism, which was further increased by the Jewish-Roman wars (66–73 and 132–135) that drove many more Jews into the diaspora and reduced the influence of the Bishop of Jerusalem, leader of the first Christian church.
Early Christians also found in the Old Testament prophecies which seemed to indicate that God’s original covenant with the Jews would be expanded to include also the Gentiles. Thus the Church Fathers tend to emphasise that the Church is the new “spiritual” Israel, completing or replacing the earthly Israel which was but its prototype.
Also, the two religions differed in their legal status in the Roman Empire: Judaism, restricted to the Jewish people and Jewish Proselytes, was generally exempt from obligation to the Roman imperial cult and since the reign of Julius Caesar enjoyed the status of a “licit religion”, though there were also occasional persecutions, for example in 19 Tiberius expelled the Jews from Rome,[3] as Claudius did again in 49.
[4] Christianity however was not restricted to one people, and as Jewish Christians were excluded from the synagogue (see Council of Jamnia), they also lost the protection of the status of Judaism, though said protection did have its limits (see for example Titus Flavius Clemens (consul), Akiba ben Joseph, and Ten Martyrs). From the reign of Nero onwards Christianity was considered to be illegal and Christians were frequently subjected to persecution, differing regionally.
Comparably, Judaism suffered the setbacks of the Jewish-Roman wars. In the third century systematic persecution of Christians began and lasted until Constantine’s conversion to Christianity. In 390 Theodosius I made Christianity the state religion. While pagan cults and Manichaeism were suppressed, Judaism retained its legal status as a licit religion, though anti-Jewish violence still occurred. In the fifth century, some legal measures worsened the status of the Jews in the Roman Empire.”
If anyone needs the link to this as well..I can surely provide.
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 9:31 pm
Today was Heavenly Mothers Day. Mothers Day was way more important. Was it her birthday or her wedding Anniversary. Must I say…
Happy Wesak day! Lizzie
May is anyway a very special month in Korea for the Buddhist as May 12, 2008 also marked the holiday of Buddha’s Day that celebrates his birthday, enlightenment and death.
They remember the night of his enlightenment and his insights into his previous lives, as well as his revelations about the nature of death, karma and rebirth, suffering and desire.
Another popular custom is the release of caged birds, which been told that mother follows this tradition too.
So when will you get your freedom of mind, Lizzie.
By: Jonah on May 19, 2008
at 9:42 pm
Get information of Emperor Constantine this history of this man.
Get information of the Jewish Talmud.
Get information the persecution of Jews by Christians and the persecution of nonbelievers by the Jews. It goes back and forth.
Hitler tried to wipe the Jews off of the face of the Earth BECAUSE of what he believed. He did not like te Jews and their Laws as well.
That is Geneocide my friend. The annihilation
of a race is Geneocide. But the OT permits this doesn’t it?
God commands people to kill the men, women, and children and even their animals. No one can not say it’s not in the bible, because it is.
I have much more information to share based on history which can be found anywhere on the internet, the library, and the bookstore.
It is not MY opinions that geneocide happened, it is a fact. It is not MY opinions that Jews and Christians do not agree, it is a fact.
All major religion eventually wants people to convert and recognize them as the truth. These major religions are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
All three required nonbelievers to recognize them and be ONE. In order for that to happen, there must be the annilhilaton of two of the three (including the smaller offsets and pagan religions) AND if no one comply, then it’s their death.
A “cleansing” must happen for there to be the existence of ONE religion over one nation or the world.
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 9:47 pm
So Elijah, let’s get down to the nitty gritty of it all.
Let’s start to include reference links or books or what have you, with our posts.
What Constantine did is not based on a “religious conspiracy” to keep people “away from salvation”. It is totally based on the feelings and emotions of a man who believed in Jesus.
Did you know that Constantine was the one who approved of the Trinity concept in church?
Yea well..he did.
Etymology
The concept came to be called the “Trinity” in later years. The word comes from “Trinitas,” a Latin abstract noun that means “three-ness,” “the property of occurring three at once” or “three are one.” The Greek term used for the Christian Trinity, “Τριάς” (“Trias,” gen. “Triados”) means “a set of three” or “the number three,”[5] and has given the English word triad.
The doctrine of the Trinity is the result of continuous exploration of the Bible by the church, argued in debate and treatises.[6] The concept was expressed in early writings from the beginning of the second century forward.
The first recorded use of the word “Trinity” in Christian theology was in about AD 180 by Theophilus of Antioch who used it, however, to refer to a “triad” of three days: the first three days of Creation, which he then compared to “God, his Word, and his Wisdom.”[7][8] He compared the fourth day to humanity, as a needy recipient of the first three, forming a tetrad. The creations in the fourth, fifth, and sixth days are said to intimate both righteous and unrighteous members of humanity. God rested in the seventh day, the Sabbath.
Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century, is credited with using the words “Trinity” and “person” to explain that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were “one in essence— not one in Person.”[9]
About a century later, in AD 325, the Council of Nicea established the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and adopted the Nicene Creed that described Christ as “God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father.”
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 10:11 pm
Dark Angel, the reason you don’t want to accept that the Bible CLEARLY testifies that Jesus has a father and mother is because you wanna insist the will of men instead of the will of God.
2 Peter 1:20-21
20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Dark Angel, you keep insisting about Jesus not having a biological father when the Bible CLEARLY testifies that Jesus has a father and mother, Joseph and Mary and has genealogy according to the Bible, not the will of man. Can God do whatever He wants or should we all listen to the opinion of men? Of course God can do whatever He wants. Physically, Jesus has Mary’s blood and Mary came from the tribes of Israel. Mary is a believer too. Here’s more proof of what the Bible testifies, not the opinion of Dark Angel:
Luke 3:21-38
21When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon,[d] the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[e]
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
Dark Angel said “However, if it WERE the case, then Jesus would NOT be a “perfect God”, he would be but a Human Being without perfection.”
Dark Angel, who are you to insist your own opinion about the will of God for Jesus? Okay let me make it clear for you. As you can see, Adam is the son of God in the genealogy. Is Adam’s Father, God, is really his biological Father? Wow, Adam must be as perfect as Jesus and equal to Him huh Dark Angel? See my point, you have to understand the will of God according to the Bible, not from the will of men. God has a purpose for Jesus and Adam and we have to look in the Bible carefully what’s actually written on it instead of insisting men’s opinion. I hope it’s clear to you and to everyone reading this.
By: Elijah on May 19, 2008
at 10:55 pm
Elijah said: “Dark Angel, the reason you don’t want to accept that the Bible CLEARLY testifies that Jesus has a father and mother is because you wanna insist the will of men instead of the will of God.”
Ok, so according the list of names in the geneaology from the bible, how does it appear to you? From what I read, everyone connected by blood ancestry…all except for Jesus.
But hey, I guess if the bible says if an Orange fruit is Red, then it must be Red.
Elijah said, “Physically, Jesus has Mary’s blood and Mary came from the tribes of Israel. Mary is a believer too.”
For the 100th time, Mary is NOT from the tribe of Judah. Doesn’t matter if she’s from the tribe of Israel or not, Joseph is from the tribe of Judah.
Elijah said, “Is Adam’s Father, God, is really his biological Father? Wow, Adam must be as perfect as Jesus and equal to Him huh Dark Angel? See my point, you have to understand the will of God according to the Bible, not from the will of men.”
Elijah, isn’t Jesus the Alpha and Omega? Adam was created..Jesus wasn’t, since he existed a part of the Trinity. “Father, Son, Holy Spirit”. And no, I do not see your point according to the Bible which states that Jesus is the before and after.
Adam was created, of course he doesn’t have a biological HUMAN father, he’s the first Human.
Why even compare a Human with a God? If Adam was perfect, he wouldn’t have sinned.
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, who are you to insist your own opinion about the will of God for Jesus?”
I’m a person with the right to think and question, that’s who I am.
Any more questions, feel free to ask. I like the way you insist on belittle my intelligence, it makes me smile.
Go do some more research on Constantine.
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 11:22 pm
Elijah, here’s some information for you.
A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that, although Jesus was Jewish, he did not fulfill any of the other criteria. An examination of the contradictory accounts of Jesus’ genealogy demonstrates a number of difficulties with the fulfillment of the second criterion.
Specifically, the New Testament claims that Jesus did not have a physical father. The Jewish Scriptures, however, clearly state that a person’s genealogy and tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one’s physical father (Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17).
Therefore, Jesus cannot possibly be a descendent of the tribe of Judah nor of King David and King Solomon.
There are even further problems with any attempts to use the Jewish Scriptures to prove Jesus’ genealogy through Joseph, the husband of Mary (Jesus’ mother).
For the New Testament claims that Joseph was a descendent of King Jeconiah, who in the Hebrew Bible was cursed to never have a descendent “sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah” (Jeremiah 22:30). Joseph’s genealogy, even if it were transmittable to Jesus, would only serve to further disqualify Jesus as the Messiah.
Finally, there is the problem of the contradictory accounts of Jesus’ genealogy in Matthew, Chapter 1 and Luke, Chapter 3. The common Christian explanation of this contradiction claims that Luke’s genealogy is that of Jesus’ mother, Mary.
However, this is unfounded, even according to the Greek original. In addition, it has already been established that genealogy is transferred solely through the father, making this attempted explanation completely irrelevant.
Even if one could trace one’s genealogy through one’s mother, there would be the additional problem that Luke 3:31 lists Mary as a descendent of David through Nathan, Solomon’s brother, and not through Solomon himself as required according to the prophesy in I Chronicles 22:10 of the Jewish Bible.
By: Dark Angel on May 19, 2008
at 11:43 pm
Dark Angel, formerly known as King James, does not believe in the creator God testified in the Bible. He believes in man, he believes in oh Lord Buddha. It is quite amusing to hear him argue about the will of God, when he has no idea of what the will of God is.
Tell us Dark Angel how your Lord Buddha will save me from the disasters coming upon this world. You do not have the eyes to see the truth, so all you know how to do is use logical fallicies to attack the word of God. It is quite sad.
You call yourself and independent thinker, you think you have such well thought out arguments using your own wisdom. Your own wisdom will not set you free my friend. This is what you do not see. You do not understand the word of the true Elohim God and you fight with your own wisdom, which is foolishness to God. You are just beating the air tirelessly, to no avail. I truly have pity on you and pray that you will accept the Spirit and the bride testified in the Bible and receive salvation.
By: Marcus on May 20, 2008
at 7:12 am
The information before Marcus’ post is from a Jew’s point of view but it still makes a lot of sense no matter if it’s from my own mind or not.
Marcus, the information about Jesus’ genealogy is not fallacy.
The informaton about Constantine making a declaration about separating from the Jews and their laws is not fallacy.
I’m just sharing information. You say that I think this and think that…
Look, I don’t claim to be anything but a normal human Being who makes mistakes like everyone else and typos when typing. I’m not “wise” but I’m not a fool either.
I don’t need anyone to follow or worship me or put me on a pedestal. The people you are worshipping are just as ignorant as you and I and that’s the truth you need to accept.
It’s very nice that you know who I am but that doesn’t change anything about the information that I posted which were only bits and pieces.
Again, if anyone would like to read the complete information, I will try to find a way to work around the block that is set on this site because this forum does not support links anymore it seems.
You know, I’ll just post the links the best that I can. I’m not one to withold information, the more information available, the better.
By the way, why would you want to get saved by Buddah, Marcus?
What does that have to do with anything besides your God worshipping him throughout most of his life?
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 9:12 am
Hello all,
The information that I posted on Constantine can be found here on Wikipedia:
Note* please add “http://” in front of the “en”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 9:19 am
Here’s information on Anti-Semitism, this also includes Constantine and the laws that he created to keep Gentiles separated from the Jews.
Please read all of the information on Wikipedia:
Note* please add “http://” in front of the “en”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism
Also here’s information on the division of the Early Church, before Constantine arrived on the scene as I mentioned earlier.
Note* please add “http://” in front of the “en”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism
There were problems way before Constantine between the Jews and Gentiles but no one wants to acknowledge that. Oh the early christians were these people that followed this law and that law…whatever.
The early christians were Jews who still observed the law of Judaism. How a religion transformed into something is well that would have been the Gentiles doing since they were not allowed to obsered the laws in Judaism, which most importantly includes:
The Passover “the way Jesus did it”.
If anyone COG or nonCOG would like to add and share information feel free.
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 9:28 am
Here’s information on Anti-Semitism, this also includes Constantine and the laws that he created to keep Gentiles separated from the Jews.
Please read all of the information on Wikipedia:
Note* please add “http://” in front of the “en”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism
To be continued…
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 9:41 am
Also here’s information on the DIVISION of the Early Church, before Constantine arrived on the scene as I mentioned earlier.
Note* please add “http://” in front of the “en”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism
There were problems way before Constantine between the Jews and Gentiles but no one wants to acknowledge that. “Oh the early christians were these people that followed this law and that law”…whatever.
The early christians were Jews who still observed the law of Judaism. How a religion transformed into something is well that would have been the Gentiles doing since they were not allowed to obsered the laws in Judaism, which most importantly includes:
The Passover “the way Jesus did it”.
The fact is, if you want to get techincal, it was the Gentiles who “changed” the laws and they didn’t really change the laws, they were just abiding by their own law according to them, since they were not able to follow the laws set for Jews.
The Jewish Christians maintain their regular observance of the Passover “the way Jesus did it” because they were Jews..
So in time, they too were persecuted by the Gentile Christians. Why isn’t that mentioned?
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 9:45 am
I feel pity for these misled COG sheep and pray that God shines his light down upon their confused heads.
Satan has cast his net and swept these pour souls toward the darkness. These are the end times and Ahnsahnghong is a false prophet who has been sent to draw men and women away from Jesus. The Bible warns us that many false prophets will come in the end times. But we must hold strong and keep the faith.
I pray for these lost sheep who continue to worship this false idol, also known as Ahnsahnghong. May their eyes open to the transgressions being worked upon them. I pray that Jesus wakes them up and shows them the light.
Shine your light upon their heads, Lord. Bless these lost sheep and pull them back into your light. They come from abused relationships and broken homes, Lord. They have troubles deep within their hearts. Heal them Lord and embrace them. Show them the error of their ways.
I pray this to you, Oh Lord.
Amen. Amen and Praise Jesus, Almighty Father above.
By: Sister Sarah on May 20, 2008
at 9:54 am
Yes Sister Sarah, I too believe in Jesus Christ. This is why the Church of God follows all the teachings of Jesus. Jesus said that when he comes again, he must remind us of everything he said 2000 years ago.
Why must Jesus come a second time to remind us? When we look at history, we can now see the answer. The new covenant that Jesus established 2000 years ago was trampled on by Satan as prophesied, so it should not be any surprise.
Second coming Jesus came with a new name as he prophesied in Revelation. Christ Ahnsahnghong came in accordance with all of the prophecies preaching the new covenant as he did 2000 years ago.
There are those who believe in the prophecies and those who do not. Some do the will of God, some choose not to.
This is why Jesus warned us that not everyone who says, ‘Lord’ ‘Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of God.
Sister Sarah here says with her lips, “praise Jesus!” but chooses not to obey his commands.
I pray that those who do not understand who Ahnsahnghong truly is, will wake up and follow the will of God as stated in the Bible.
False Christs and false prophets, teach man made traditions that lead people away from God. Christ Ahnsahnghong has restored the new covenant of God and has brought back the true gospel of Christ as stated in the Bible.
Christian churches around the world today, lead people away from God by teaching man made customs that will never lead you to salvation. It is only by following the teachings of Christ can we receive salvation.
All praise be to Christ Ahnsahnghong, the second coming Jesus, for bringing back the precious gospel of Christ.
By: marcus on May 20, 2008
at 12:46 pm
You know, there are many of these “mega churches” springing up all around the world. Their place of worship holds tens of thousands of people and they claim to lead people to Jesus. They are always glamorous in appearance and have many services throughout the weekend.
The shepherds that run these churches unfortunately lead many souls away from God. They only feed themselves.
Ezekiel 34: 7 ” ‘Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD : 8 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, because my flock lacks a shepherd and so has been plundered and has become food for all the wild animals, and because my shepherds did not search for my flock but cared for themselves rather than for my flock, 9 therefore, O shepherds, hear the word of the LORD : 10 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock. I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them.
11 ” ‘For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them. 12 As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness.
God almighty did indeed come 2000 years ago and brought the truth of God to the people. After the shepherd, Jesus Christ, ascended back to heaven, the truth was thrown to the ground as prophesied.
Daniel 8:9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 10 It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11 It set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought low. 12 Because of rebellion, the host of the saints and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.
In these last days, many false shepherds have risen all over the world that only feed themselves. They teach a false gospel and lead souls away from salvation.
They shout, “Praise Jesus!” and sing and dance, but they have no truth in them.
Matthew 23:27 — “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Hypocrisy in the eyes of Jesus are those who proclaim they believe with their lips, but follow man made teachings.
Matthew 15:You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.’
This is the way false prophets lead people away from God. They teach man made traditions while with their mouth they call on the name of the Lord.
I pray that people will wake up and flee from the false shepherds in this world who are leading people straight to hell.
By: marcus on May 20, 2008
at 1:27 pm
Marcus, have you gone through any of the links that I have posted? I’m just curious because you mentioned that Satan changed the laws of God.
Are you referring to Constantine? If so, then how would that explain the division of the early church between the “Christian Jews” and the Christian Gentiles?
What caused the division?
and Why?
Who wanted to separate themselves from who?
Your church blames one guy when clearly it is numerous amounts of people that turned things around…namely the Gentiles.
The Christian Gentiles could not observe the Passover without being circumcised and converting to Judaism.
Which explains the reason for the Christian Passover ‘vs’ the Jewish Passover. Later on in history, they created their own Passover because of that reason.
The hyjacking of someone else’s religion.
It’s similar to someone entering your home, creating his own rules, then tells you that you must abide by his rules and also pay him rent.
Christian Gentiles apparently had a problem “Jewish Christians”, since they were not able to observe the Passover.
Marcus, you yourself should be observing the Passover the way Jesus and his Jewish friends did, if you are not Jewish or a convert to Judaism.
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 1:44 pm
Correction*
Marcus, you yourself should NOT be observing the Passover..etc.
Hi Elijah,
as you know, I am saying that Jesus did not have a biological father because of the virgin birth.
However you are making it seem as though it is farfetched for you to believe that he was fatherless.
Why believe in Melchizedek to be without physical father and mother, then say that it is impossible for an all-powerful God to appear the same way.
The proof is in the virgin birth story itself. Jesus could not be connected through blood to Joseph. That’s all I am saying, no matter what it says in the bible, we both know that Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus.
According to the Jews who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, that would be proof enough for them because you can not have it both ways.
1. Jesus being born of a virgin
2. Jesus being the biological son of Joseph
Which is why they say it is a contradiction.
The Virgin Birth:
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an “alma” as giving birth. The word “alma” has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as “virgin.” This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
Alma – In Hebrew, it is a name for a young woman, a maiden.
**cited from Wikipedia
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 2:16 pm
Amen!!!
By: COGInator on May 20, 2008
at 3:19 pm
Dark Angel, you didn’t get my point from my last post. I’m not talking about Adam being the first human created by God. I’m talking about Adam not having a biological parents. You wanna insist that Jesus doesn’t have a biological parents so as Adam. Should I put the verse from the Bible again?
Luke 3:21-38
21When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon,[d] the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[e]
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
Clearly it states that “Adam, the son of God.” So Adam clearly doesn’t have a BIOLOGICAL father. No matter how you flip the Bible upside down, Adam won’t have a BIOLOGICAL father. But since Adam is listed on the genealogy tree in the tribes of Judah, Adam still part of the genealogy of tribes of Judah. We have to study this matter carefully. The Bible clearly testifies that Adam, who don’t have a BIOLOGICAL father and Jesus, who also don’t have a BIOLOGICAL father are listed on the genealogy of the tribes of Judah. This is what the Bible testifies, the Word of God and not the opinion of men.
2 Peter 1:20-21
20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
So Dark Angel, should we keep the Word of God or the opinion of men? You said that Jesus is the “Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Last” and Church of God believes in that because it is testified in the Bible. Even if Jesus has a genealogy from the tribes of Judah, that doesn’t change the fact the He is Son of Man because He fulfill the prophecies of the Son of Man coming in flesh as prophecied in the Old Testament and testified as God in the Bible. It’s all about what’s testified in the Bible, not the opinion of smart and intelligent men.
By: Elijah on May 20, 2008
at 4:14 pm
Elijah, these anti-Church of God people will not listen to what the Bible says. All they gonna do is insist their own thinking of what is right in the eyes of men and not in the eyes of God. To Ted the Erratic Cheese and his followers, your guys are full of s***!
By: Robert on May 20, 2008
at 5:07 pm
Dark Angel said “Why believe in Melchizedek to be without physical father and mother, then say that it is impossible for an all-powerful God to appear the same way.”
Dark Angel, Melchizedek is a human like us that have a physical father and mother. The Bible clearly testifies that Melchizedek, without a father and mother, without genealogy remain a High Priest forever.
Without a father or mother:
Jesus father Joseph and mother Mary are believers.
Matthew 12:46-50
46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”[g]
48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Ahnsahnghong came from a Buddist parents. FULFILLED.
Without genealogy
Jesus came from the tribes of Judah
Luke 3:21-38
21When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon,[d] the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[e]
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
Ahnsahnghong is Korean. FULFILLED.
Melchizedek bless us with bread and wine. Jesus brought us the Passover bread and wine. Ahnsahnghong brought us back the Passover bread and wine that was lost according to the prophecies in the Bible. Jesus is Ahnsahnghong in the new name as prophecied in the Bible, without beginning and end of days. FULFILLED.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 20, 2008
at 5:40 pm
Dark Angel, if you really believe that Roman Emperor Constantine separated the Christians from Jews, then you should be a Roman Catholic. Being that said, you just admitted that the Roman Catholic is the true church. Well, I can see that their customs is from Roman Emperor Constantine which is the traditions of men. Constantine has no authorization from the Bible to change God’s customs like the Passover, Saturday as Sabbath Day. Their customs are Eucharist, Holy Communion, Sunday as their Sabbath and even making December 25th as Jesus birthday. They are all traditions of men.
Matthew 15:5-9 – But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR TRADITION. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. THEY WORSHIP ME IN VAIN; THEIR TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN.”
I love these phrase from my spiritual brother.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Poland on May 20, 2008
at 7:32 pm
Hey! Elijah after no right answers or documented proof of his history you conclude on the last comment No 696 (just rotate No 9. Now can you see what I see? You bear the sign of beast 666 once again) and claiming that Cog truth won always
How conveniently you use Melchizedek to cover up the genealogy.
We aren’t using pacifiers, sucking over and over on the same old stuff that you keep posting that makes absolutely no sense but we still have the light of Jesus shining brightly on our minds.
As you know-
Satan is not a man or an angel in Heaven. He is actually a fallen angel (Ahnsahnghong) who is at war with YHWH God. We must remember that Satan Was Cast-Out of Heaven A Long Time Before Jesus Spoke These Prophetic Words In Matt:24.
“So the great Dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called The Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to The Earth, and his angels were Cast out with him.” Rev:12:7-9
“But they did not prevail, neither was a place found for them in Heaven any longer. (So Ahnsahnghong used the cave and worked in secret)
Satan attempted to seize the Throne of Heaven and lost. The Devil and his fallen angels were cast down to earth, never to see Heaven again Satan continues his Unholy Rebellion against GOD by using people as his Human Puppets: Greed, Hatred and Lust Being His Demonic Strings
Satan must have a good idea of how much time he has left upon Earth to present Mother the Major Player in End Times Prophecy. Oh Yes you did mention the bride Mrs. Satan wasn’t ready then.
By: Jonah on May 20, 2008
at 8:34 pm
Hello Elijah,
In regards to Jesus’ geneaolgy,
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, you didn’t get my point from my last post. I’m not talking about Adam being the first human created by God. I’m talking about Adam not having a biological parents. You wanna insist that Jesus doesn’t have a biological parents so as Adam. Should I put the verse from the Bible again?”
Elijah, why are you now using Luke 3:21-28 as evidence for Jesus NOT having biological parents, when a few posts ago, you used it to describe him to have a biological parent, which would be Mary his mother?
These are your words from that post:
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, you keep insisting about Jesus not having a biological father when the Bible CLEARLY testifies that Jesus has a father and mother, Joseph and Mary and has genealogy according to the Bible, not the will of man. Can God do whatever He wants or should we all listen to the opinion of men? Of course God can do whatever He wants. Physically, Jesus has Mary’s blood and Mary came from the tribes of Israel. Mary is a believer too. Here’s more proof of what the Bible testifies, not the opinion of Dark Angel:
Luke 3:21-38”
So according to you, Adam who doesn’t have biological parents, is said to be in the tribe of judah, while Jesus who does have a biological parent, which would be his Mother Mary. How are they similar, Elijah?
This would appear to be a contradiction if you are now using Luke to compare Adam and Jesus as not having biological parents. After I proved to you that Matthew 1:1-17, doesn’t apply to Jesus since Mary was a virgin and gave birth to a baby, NOW you want to switch and go with Luke.
These were your words in regards to Matthew,
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, read your Bible correctly.
Matthew 1:1-17
1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
7Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
15Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b]
Dark Angel, do you know better than God’s word? This is what the Bible says. If you think your better than God’s words then you might as well delete these entire section from Matthew. Clearly, Jesus came from a family with genealogy from twelve tribes of Israel, in other words with Jewish blood. So Dark Angel, does Jesus have a father and mother here on Earth? Yes, Joseph and Virgin Mary are Jesus father and mother here on Earth.”
Elijah, in the beginning of our discussion, you used Matthew to try to prove that Jesus is from the Tribe of Judah and had a biological Father through Joseph, which of course is not true, due to the virgin birth. Then you switched your answer to say that it is Mary, who is a part of the Tribe of Judah.
As I said before, in Jewish tradition, the MALE or Father determines the TRIBE and the FEMALE or Mother determines the Jewish heritage.
1 Chronicles 22:10 and 2 Chronicles 7:18, implies that the Messiah would be in the lineage of King Solomon, son of King David.
Joseph, would fall under that geneaology, however, Mary would not. So again, one can trace the lineage in Luke but it states that Mary is a decendant of Nathan, brother of Solomon and son of King David. That is NOT the requirement of the Messiah according to I Chronicles 22:10 of the Jewish Bible.
You have used Luke to prove that he was born WITH biological parent, which would be Mary and WITHOUT Father, like Adam.
So basically, both Luke and Matthew shows that Jesus is without biological Father, since you are using Luke which points to Mary’s genealogy. You just said it in your own post in regards to Luke.
However, the bible says the Messiah must come through the lineage of King David and King Solomon. Therefore, proving that Joseph is not Jesus’ biological father, still rendering him Fatherless and you’ve just proved that he’s Fatherless by using Luke.
Elijah, you tell me to study my bible, perhaps you should take your own advice?
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 9:45 pm
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, Melchizedek is a human like us that have a physical father and mother. The Bible clearly testifies that Melchizedek, without a father and mother, without genealogy remain a High Priest forever.
Without a father or mother:
Jesus father Joseph and mother Mary are believers.”
Elijah, I think you are screwing up your own doctrine. According to the COG, Melchizedek does not have physical Father nor Physical Mother. Now you guys have changed up your answer to say that he does.
Use your bible to show me that Melchizedek had parents because according to you, if it’s not written in the bible, then it is not valid. So, point out the names of his parents.
You guys base the Old Testament on the “physical” and the New Testament on the “spiritual”. So according to your church, “spiritually” Ahnsahnghong is without geneaology because his parents were “nonbelievers”.
Which then, SHOULD coincides with the “shadow” of the Old Testament in regards to Melchizedek being without geneaology, which should mean no physical or Parents.
You contradict yourself and here’s why.
1. Your church refers to Jerusalem in the Old Testament as the physical, then, you all refer to Jerusalem in the New Testment as the spiritual.
2. Your church refers to the Old Testament’s Passover as the physical, then, you all refer to the New Testaments Passover (the way Jesus did it) as the spiritual.
Everything seems to be based on the physical in the Old Testament while things are based on the Spiritual in the New Testament.
So now, you’re saying that Melchizedek had physical parents while admitting that Ahnsahnghong had physical parents as well.
There is no “physical/spiritual” pattern if both of them had physical parents.
If “without geneaology” means that Melchizedek had parents who were nonbelievers, then, as my memory serves me right, a COG member mentioned that Melchizedek was literally without parents, a mystery.
I’ll try to find that information because what you have stated totally contradicts what I’ve been told by a COG member.
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 10:32 pm
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, if you really believe that Roman Emperor Constantine separated the Christians from Jews, then you should be a Roman Catholic. Being that said, you just admitted that the Roman Catholic is the true church. Well, I can see that their customs is from Roman Emperor Constantine which is the traditions of men. Constantine has no authorization from the Bible to change God’s customs like the Passover, Saturday as Sabbath Day. Their customs are Eucharist, Holy Communion, Sunday as their Sabbath and even making December 25th as Jesus birthday. They are all traditions of men.”
Elijah, the Jews who followed Christ were still following the laws mainly during Passover, while the Gentiles who followed Christ could not observe it unless they convert to Judaism.
The law in which Gentiles should not partake in the Passover still remained even when Jesus was observing with his blood and flesh command.
There were Gentiles were present. I’m saying, the problems existed way before Constantine and the problem was whether if Gentiles could partake in the Jewish Passover or not, that in turn caused division.
I don’t care what church is true. I am saying your church states that the problems started with Constantine.
Tell me, how would Christian Gentiles be able to observe the Passover the way Jesus? I’m sure you are aware of the law that states no uncircumcised person can partake in it.
Are you a Jew? If not, then why are you observing the Passover the way Jesus did?
Why are you observing feasts that has nothing to do with your culture heritage and history?
What tribe are you from Elijah, since you want to partake in Jewish traditions?
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 10:47 pm
Sorry, the last post was directed to Poland, not you Elijah. My mistake. I’m just so used to seeing your name.
So replace “elijah” with “poland” and we’re good.
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 10:51 pm
Elijah said,
“Without a father or mother:
Jesus father Joseph and mother Mary are believers.
Matthew 12:46-50
46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”[g]
48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Elijah, what doesn’t make any sense is that you say, “Without a father or mother:
Jesus father Joseph and mother Mary are believers.”
If Jesus’ Mother and Father are believers, how is Jesus without Mother and Father?
Ahnsahnghong’s parents were not believers in God, yet you say that means without Mother and Father.
While Joseph and Mary were believers in God. Then you post scripture about him denying his parents. Hmm, that doesn’t quite fit, Elijah.
If Jesus is denying his parents because they are doing the “Will of his Father” then yes, according to your logic, he is without Mother and Father, therefore, that fulfilling the Melchizedek prophecy that you claim Ahnsahnghong did.
You’re really not making any sense because you said that Jesus did NOT come in the order of Melchizedek, then you post scripture that he did.
Elijah’s words,
“1) He will bless us with eternal life through the Passover bread and wine.
2) He will be born among unbelievers (”without father or mother”).
3) He will be born of Gentiles (”without genealogy”).
4) He is God (”without beginning of days or end of life”).
Clearly, Jesus was testifed as the spiritual Melchizedek because He bless us with Passover bread and wine. He is also God, without beginning of days or end of life. He fulfill number one and number four. Dark Angel, is Jesus born among unbelievers? Joseph and Mary are believers. Dark Angel, does Jesus have genealogy? Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah.”
1. Ok he brought he Bread and Wine.
2. According to Matthew 12:46-50, and also according to you, his parents did not follow the Will of his Father, so technically, they were not believers.
3. We’ve already gone over the geneaology situation. He clearly was not of the Tribe of Judah if he was born of the virgin Mary and Mary’s geneaology is through Nathan, not Solomon.
4. Yes it is said that he was a God.
By: Dark Angel on May 20, 2008
at 11:15 pm
Dark Angel, you didn’t get my point. Again, Adam and Jesus both don’t have a biological parents but the are still part of the tribes of Judah. The Bible doesn’t contradict itself Dark Angel but you are making your own opinion about it. The Bible is written as it is Word of God, not with the thoughts of men. If the Bible testifies that Jesus has a genealogy in the tribes of Judah even though He doesn’t have a biological parents, He still have a genealogy in the tribes of Judah just like Adam. I agree with you about Mary as testified in the Bible but you can’t change how the Bible is written that Jesus has a genealogy in the tribes of Judah. It is clear as the most precious crystal. Perhaps you might as well delete that section in Matthew and Luke Dark Angel.
On the other hand, Christ Ahnsahnghong, a Korean, still fulfilled the Order of Melchizedek since He is not a descendant in the tribes of Judah. He is the Second Christ, the Wonderful Counselor, the Holy Spirit.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 20, 2008
at 11:17 pm
Dark Angel said “Are you a Jew? If not, then why are you observing the Passover the way Jesus did?
Why are you observing feasts that has nothing to do with your culture heritage and history?
What tribe are you from Elijah, since you want to partake in Jewish traditions?”
And also Dark Angel said “3. We’ve already gone over the geneaology situation. He clearly was not of the Tribe of Judah if he was born of the virgin Mary and Mary’s geneaology is through Nathan, not Solomon.”
Dark Angel, can you listen to yourself first before you contradict yourself. Your saying that Gentiles cannot partake with the Passover while your saying that Jesus is not a Jew and He partakes on it. So how can you say that it is only for Jews when you say that He Himself in not from the tribes of Judah? Wow, your contradicting yourself Dark Angel. So, can Church of God partake on it? Of course.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 20, 2008
at 11:53 pm
Hi Elijah, I understand what you are saying. I also see what it says in the bible. However, this argument of whether Jesus coming through the lineage of David and Solomon has already been answer by the Jews themselves.
If the Messiah is said to come through the seed of David, which is Solomon, then it must be through Joseph’s loins, not through a virgin birth.
Christians once referred to the geneaology record as Joseph’s. When people started to question it, then they changed it to Mary’s geneaology.
The record in Luke may show that Mary is from the tribe of Judah but not through Solomon. It would be through Nathan his brother, which according to the bible, it must be through Solomon.
Elijah, I am not contradicting myself.
I’ve said that Jesus is a Jew through Mary his mother. Yes his mother is a Jew, which naturally makes Jesus a Jew.
However TRIBE is identified through the Father, NOT the Mother.
Not a contradiction, please look up the information or buy a book on Jewish tradition or you can either ask someone that is a Jew how tribe is indentified.
Again,
The Mother Indentifies the child to be Jewish
The Father Indentifies the tribe of the child.
Mother’s can not indentify both Jewish indentity and Tribe.
So yes, Jesus is a Jew through Mary. Seed of Solomon? No.
Seed of Nathan..perhaps.
Lastly Gentiles can not partake in the Passover.
After all of the information that I typed, I don’t know what to say if you are still disagreeing.
Anyway, thanks for the discussion, Elijah.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 3:07 am
What I’ve stated about geneaology is according to Jewish tradition and according to I Chronicles 22:10 of the Jewish Bible.
I am not making anything up, Elijah.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 3:14 am
Dark Angel said “Elijah, I am not contradicting myself.
I’ve said that Jesus is a Jew through Mary his mother. Yes his mother is a Jew, which naturally makes Jesus a Jew.
However TRIBE is identified through the Father, NOT the Mother.”
Dark Angel, you are still contradicting yourself. Jesus Passover of the new covenant is still for all people who want to have eternal life, just as Jesus promised in the Bible and no one can alter that in their own way because it makes it become “tradition of men.” An example in the Old Testament, when Moses went up in Mt. Sinai, the people decided to worship God in their own way, making a golden calf and clearly God punish them so you can’t worship God on your own way. Follow what God testifies in the Bible and that would keep you safe. Also, you can’t change the fact that Jesus has a genealogy in the tribe of Judah as testified clearly in the Bible. So far you have only given your own opinion in the will of men, not from the Bible. When you say that TRIBE is only given through the father is the fact of men, not what the Bible testifies that Jesus has a genealogy in the tribe of Judah just like Adam who don’t have a biological father. Good information you have though but again, what your doing is looking at it in the opinion of men, not what the Bible testifies. I’ll give it to you, your a smart guy, perhaps smarter than me in the will of men.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 21, 2008
at 3:40 am
Elijah, I’ve said what I had to say. If you were to study the history and traditions of the Jews, you will what I am talking about.
If the Passover was for everyone to observe the way Jesus did it, then, there wouldn’t have been division amongst the “Christian Jews” and the Gentile Christians.
Jesus may have said that his blood and body is for everyone, however, what stopped the Christian Gentiles from observing after Paul spread the word to the Gentiles?
Gentiles were not able to partake in the custom. Also, the Messiah coming from the Tribe of Judah through David and Solomon is not man’s will, it’s in the bible I Chronicles 22:1-19.
I was going to post the scripture about Gentiles not partaking in the Passover “the way Jesus did it” but I’m sure you know where it can be found.
You are referring to the Jewish custom and traditions as the “will of men”. They were doing this in the times of Jesus and before him.
Gentiles not being able to partake in the Passover is not the “will of men”, Elijah. It is law.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 4:04 am
Dark Angel said “Jesus may have said that his blood and body is for everyone, however, what stopped the Christian Gentiles from observing after Paul spread the word to the Gentiles?”
Passover of the new covenant is for everyone Dark Angel. It is Jesus promised for everyone that through His body and blood we can have eternal life. Jesus didn’t just came for the Jews but all the people in this world to save all of us because we are lost.
Luke 19:10
10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.”
Just as the King of Tyre was thrown to the Earth because of sin, so as everyone in human flesh.
Ezekiel 28:11-17
11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
” ‘You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, [b] turquoise and beryl. [c]
Your settings and mountings [d] were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
Romans 6:23
23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Dark Angel, we are here on Earth because of sin. We are all in Heaven before just like the King of Tyre. Clearly the wages of sin is death. God is merciful that He gave us a way to have life and return to Heaven. It is through Christ Jesus our Lord, His body and blood which is the Passover of the new covenant.
John 6:53-56
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Luke 22:7-23
7Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
9″Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.
10He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there.”
13They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.”
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Clearly Jesus told us to do the Passover in remembrance of Him. So if men insist that we change the name of the Passover to Eucharist or Communion and do it in our own way, are we really following Jesus words? Of course not. If we do it whenever we want then it becomes “traditon of men”. Dark Angel, that is Jesus law which is God’s law, not Jewish law.
By: Elijah on May 21, 2008
at 4:55 am
Dark Angel, you need to start following God according to the Bible not what is right in the eyes of men. Keeping God’s words keep us all safe just as God showed all the examples in the Old Testament.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 21, 2008
at 4:59 am
There are about 850 denominations on this earth. Nowadays, so many churches proclaim to have the true gospel. Many say the gospel is music, or just the word of God, but they don’t understand what is the true gospel Jesus Christ came to preach 2000 years ago. We have to understand through the Bible because there cant be 850 different gospels.
Ephesians 3:6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
Then only through the gospel we can be heirs of God, members of one body and sharers in the promise. Also, Paul mentioned that he was a servant of this gospel. Then what is this gospel?
Romans 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
As stated above, his ministry was to proclaim the gospel. However the following verse says he was a minister of a new covenant!..
2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Then what does this mean? Paul had two ministries? Absolutely not. The gospel is the new covenant. then what is the new covenant?
Luke 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Luke 22:19-And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then, clearly we can see that the new covenant is the Passover feast. Then, what is the gospel? it is the Passover! If we do not keep the Passover, we can not say we have the true gospel in our church. This is why the World Mission Society Church of God keeps the Passover faithfully. If we keep another gospel (passover), we will sin against God.
Galatians 1:6-I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel (passover)— which is really no gospel(passover) at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel (passover) of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel(passover) other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel (passover) other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
We must keep the Passover and preach the Passover. Communion and Eucharist is a different gospel from the one the Apostles preached. They never kept communion or sacrament or Eucharist. They kept the true gospel- Passover.
1 Corinthians 5:7-Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
Which festival did Apostle Paul keep and teach to keep? The Passover Festival!
If we want to be heirs of God, sharers in the promise and one body in christ, we must keep the Passover. Ahnsahnghong Christ came as prophesied and taught us the true Gospel of Christ. Second Coming Christ came and taught us all the mysteries hidden for ages and generations.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 21, 2008
at 5:04 am
Ok Elijah, I now have some time to fully respond to you.
You said, “Clearly Jesus told us to do the Passover in remembrance of Him. So if men insist that we change the name of the Passover to Eucharist or Communion and do it in our own way, are we really following Jesus words? Of course not. If we do it whenever we want then it becomes “traditon of men”. Dark Angel, that is Jesus law which is God’s law, not Jewish law.”
Elijah, it is not “Jewish law” it is God’s law in which the Jews abide by.
The early adherents of Jesus were Jews and they remained a sect within Judaism, observing most of the Jewish religious practices, laws, and customs.
They even participated in the rituals at the Temple.
Only when Paul, a Jew from Tarsus, joined the movement and convinced the followers of Jesus to accept Non-Jews (Gentiles) in their ranks, did the birth and rapid growth of Christianitu take place.
According to the bible in regards to the Passover in which the Jews that followed Jesus observed Gentiles are NOT to participate.
It state here:
Exodus 12:43 – “God said to Moses and Aaron, ‘This is the law of the Passover sacrifice:
No outsider may eat it. ”
However, only when a person has converted to Judaism were they able to partake in the Passover as stated here:
Exodus 12:48 – “When a proselyte (A person who has converted to Judaism) joins you and wants to offer the Passover sacrifice to God, every male [in his household] must be circumcised. He may then join in the observance, and be like a native-born [Israelite]. But no uncircumcised (NON-JEW) man may eat [the sacrifice].”
If you were to read through Exodus 12: 1-51, it states who may observe the Passover and who can not. Gentiles could NOT observe the Passover unless they converted to Judaism, I can not stress that enough.
You want to ignore that part.
That being said,
Christians say that Jesus fulfilled these laws, therefore freeing the Jews from the laws that kept them in bondage. Freeing them from animals sacrifice, freeing them from festivals and feasts etc. and here is the scripture that is used:
In Colossians chapter 2:13 -17, the Bible says that people are not required to keep the old testament laws.
“Colossians 2:13 – Being dead through your sins and the evil condition of your flesh, God gave life together through our Lord Jesus Christ , and forgiveness of all our sins
Colossians 2:14 – Having put an end to the law which was against us, taking it out of the way by nailing it to his cross
Colossians 2:15 – Having made himself free from the rule of authorities and powers, he put them openly to shame, glorying over them in it.
Colossians 2:16 – For this reason let no man be your judge in any question of food or drink or feast days or new moons or Sabbaths
Colossians 2:17 – For these are the shadow of the things which are to come; but the reality is Christ.”
After the division between the Jews of followed Christ and the Gentiles who followed Christ, this was used against the “Christian Jews” who still adhered to the laws of Judaism.
The Gentiles dropped many Jewish practices from that point on, the majority of the new converts to Christianity would be former pagans, not Jews.
The gospels may have been written in Aramaic, the language of the Jews, they were soon translated into Greek for the benefit of the Gentiles. Which doesn’t exclude that fact that certain words were mistranslated and certain key factors misunderstood.
Christianity became powerful with Gentile converts who did not like wel to Judaism and especially the Jews who denied Jesus as their Messiah.
Elijah, even if you wanted to observe Passover the way Jesus did, you wouldn’t be able to according to the law in Exodus, unless however, you were a convert or descendant.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 6:48 am
Elijah,
I think we’ve already gone through all of this before in regards to the Passover .
Most churches do observe it ,but according to 1 Corinthians 11:20, Gentile Christians called it “the Lord’s Supper “.
The church of God just use a different name for it which would be “the Passover”.
The “the Lord’s Supper ” and your “Passover” is the same thing.
The “Passover” is a shadow, and the reality is Jesus’ “Blood and Body” which they observe as the Lords Supper.
Why didn’t Constantine just abolish the act of eating the Body and drinking the Blood of Christ?
Why allow that to remain?
Why allow the bible to exist if his true agenda was to keep the people from eating the Body and drinking the Blood of Christ?
That doesn’t make any sense.
Paul shouldn’t have allowed Gentiles to participate in something that didn’t belong to them.
Which is why I gave the example of someone breaking into your home and declaring new house rules for you to follow.
I think this discussion has gone on long enough in regards to the Passover and Jesus’ geneaology. People can either take it or leave it.
The fact is, no one has answered Donnie’s questions in regards to Mother Jerusalem. I apologize to Donnie for getting caught up in this discussion and drowning out his very good questions.
Thanks for the chat, Elijah.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 7:02 am
Hello,
In Acts 15, according to the scriptures, the confusion was made clear by Paul.
The Church leaders from Antioch ,Syria and Judea told people they need to keep the Laws of Moses.
But Paul didn’t keep Moses Law.
ACTS 15:24 – ” Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, saying You must be circumcised and keep Moses Law, to whom we gave no such teaching.”
The feast of Unleavened bread was part of Moses Teaching, and Paul never said preached to the Gentiles that it is necessary to keep the law of Moses.
In Galatians Chapter 4 , Paul says after accepting Christ , Jesus has redeemed sins of all. So, Jews who accpeted Christ were no longer slave to the laws. They are the children of God. They are not under the bondage of the laws. Paul said if they go back to live under the laws, legal bondage has no purpose in Salvation.
Galatians 4:9 – “But now that you have come to have knowledge of God, or more truly, God has knowledge of you, how is it that you go back again to the poor and feeble first things, desiring to be servants to them again?”
Galatians 4:10 – “You keep days, and months, and fixed times, and years.”
Galatians 4:11 – “I am afraid of you, that I may have been working for you in vain.”
In Galatians 4: 9-11 . Some people after they accept Christ ,they go back to the Moses laws .
They return to their old way of keeping the days ( Sabbath) ,the festivals (the feast of Unleavened bread etc. ), the monthly new moon and the years.
There you have the division.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 8:52 am
So Elijah, if you want to blame someone for changing times and festivals, blame Paul and the Gentiles.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 9:05 am
His words allowed people to react upon them. You, yourself are a Gentile, Elijah. You should be happy to not be in bondage, but then again, your church goes back to bondage and the laws.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 9:08 am
Elijah said “Church of God’s truth=Won Always!”
Translation: CoG’s truth = one always! Which is directed at being the one true cult!
HA !!!!! I kill me!!!! LOL ROFLMAO!!!
By: COGInator on May 21, 2008
at 12:27 pm
Apparently King James, you do not understand the difference between the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ.
The feasts of God never disappeared. The Law of Moses was fulfilled by the Law of Christ.
Matthew 5:17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Apostle Paul understood that the Law of God changed.
Hebrews 7:12 — For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
What law did the Law of Moses change to? The Law of Christ.
1 Corinthians 9: 19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
The feasts of GOD still exist and were never abolished. The Law of Moses was changed to the Law of Christ.
Under the Law of Moses, all the feasts were done with animal sacrifices. These were a shadow of the things to come. Jesus came as the fulfillment of all the sacrifices. Now when we keep the feasts, we do not need to sacrifice animals.
There is so much more to this, but God’s administration is not revealed to those who insist on keeping man made traditions.
The Church of God does not keep the Law of Moses, we keep the Law of Christ.
The Passover of the New Covenant is celebrated with bread and wine as Jesus set the example. Did Jesus eat the meat of a Passover Lamb and eat bitter herbs? Did he eat unleavened bread for seven days when he established this new covenant Passover?
You clearly do not understand God’s administration for salvation. You try to argue God’s will from your own viewpoint. Then its no wonder you do not understand.
By: marcus on May 21, 2008
at 2:20 pm
Can I throw up now, or should I wait til later?
After reading what marcus wrote above, I just want to scream with laughter. It’s so obvious how the CoG is twisting the scripture to paint a picuture of leagalism through guilt. And yet it’s painfully obvious that that is not what the bible is teaching.
When Jesus said, Matthew 5:17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
It’s clear that he’s fulfilling them…meaning that the requirement to obey them is complete. That didn’t mean that suddenly it’s ok to do wrong, but the leagalistic requirement to go to heaven has been removed.
Paul understood this, I understand this, and 99.99% of practicing Christians understand this. The .01% (which are the cult following leagal mongering bible twisters) do not.
Paul who was a Jew stated in 1 Corinthians 9:20 that he was not under the law, but acted so as an evangelical tool to teach practicing Jews.
Christ Law is you do whats right, not because it’s law, but because it’s the right thing to do!!
By: COGInator on May 21, 2008
at 2:58 pm
COGinator said “Paul understood this, I understand this, and 99.99% of practicing Christians understand this. The .01% (which are the cult following leagal mongering bible twisters) do not.
Paul who was a Jew stated in 1 Corinthians 9:20 that he was not under the law, but acted so as an evangelical tool to teach practicing Jews.
Christ Law is you do whats right, not because it’s law, but because it’s the right thing to do!!”
COGinator, do you understand the will of God? Do you even read your Bible?
Acts 17:2
2As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
COGinator, did Paul kept the Sabbath Day? Of course he did. What about Jesus Himself?
Luke 4:16
16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
COGinator, if Jesus Christ Himself and Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath Day, shouldn’t we follow their example? You and Dark Angel keep insisting that we can’t follow the customs of Moses’s laws in the Old Testament. But what you guys don’t understand is that, like marcus said above, Church of God follow the laws of Christ. If Sabbath Day is Jesus and Apostle Paul’s customs, it is what we should be following.
1 Corinthians 11:1-2
1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. 2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.
Clearly, Constantine has no authority to change the laws of Christ. We have to follow what the Bible teaches, not what’s the opinion of a Roman Emperor or any men.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 21, 2008
at 5:17 pm
Hello Marcus,
You said, “The feasts of God never disappeared. The Law of Moses was fulfilled by the Law of Christ.”
Marcus, the Feasts of God had nothing to do with the Gentiles.
Marcus, what is this referring to? Galatians 4:10 – “You keep days, and months, and fixed times, and years.”
It would appear to be referring to:
Days – Jewish Sabbath
Months – New Moons or may refer to the First and Seventh Month, which were held sacred due to the number of Feasts in them
Times – Jewish Festivals
Your church is said to observe all of God’s Feasts in the Old Testament.
1. The Passover
2. The Feast of Unleavened Bread
3. The Feast of First Fruits
4. The Feast of Weeks
5. The Feast of Trumpets
6. The Day of Atonement
7. The Feast of Tabernacles
Gentiles are not obligated to those feasts. Also, this would appear to be what Paul was referring to in Galatians 4:10.
Marcus you said, “Under the Law of Moses, all the feasts were done with animal sacrifices. These were a shadow of the things to come. Jesus came as the fulfillment of all the sacrifices. Now when we keep the feasts, we do not need to sacrifice animals.”
Well, from what I’ve read, it would appear that the “Jewish Christians” were doing so. The Original Jewish Chrstians, not the bunch of Gentile Christians in which Paul were teaching.
If the Jews who followed Christ were not observing the Old Law of Moses, then why did Paul get mad at Peter for not sharing a neal with a Gentile who were supposed to be at equal arms with him?
Peter was apparently still observing the Old law, as many were doing.
Also, if the Jewish Christians were not observing the Old Mosaic law, why did Paul have to prove that he was not telling the Jews, to not follow the law?
According to Acts 21:17–26, upon his arrival in Jerusalem, Paul provided information to James regarding his ministry among the Gentiles, it states further that all the Elders were present.
James and the Elders praised God for the report which they received. Afterward the elders informed him of rumors that had been circulating, which stated that he was teaching Jews to forsake observance of the Mosaic law, and the customs of the Jews; including circumcision.
To rebut these rumors, the elders asked Paul to join with four other men in performing the vow of purification according to the Old Mosaic law, in order to disprove the accusations of the Jews. Paul then agreed, and proceeded to perform the vow.
What is the vow of purification? The vow of purification is called Mikveh.
Mikveh – is a specific type of bath designed for the purpose of ritual immersion in Judaism. The word “mikvah”, as used in the Hebrew Bible, literally means a “collection” – generally, a collection of water
*cited from Wikipedia
Marcus, does your church perform Mikvah? I bet not. However, the Jews of today who uphold the old Mosaic Law does.
You say the Laws of Moses were changed to the Laws of Christ. Yet, Paul had to prove that he was still abiding by the Old Laws of Moses to the elders.
Also, in Acts 16:1–18:22, Paul and Silas go to Derbe and then Lystra. They are joined by Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman and a Greek man. According to Acts 16:3, Paul circumcises Timothy before leaving.
Circumcision was considered a ritual and a COMMAND by God for Jewish people in Judaism. If Paul were to circumcise a Gentile, that gentile would then be a convert to Judaism, not Christianty.
So if he were observing the law as he claimed to be, why weren’t the Gentiles circumcised?
Something doesn’t seem to be right, either there is a contradiction or Paul is a liar and agreed to go through Mikveh to save his skin.
So again, Who was Paul referring to when he said this, Galatians 4:10 – “You keep days, and months, and fixed times, and years.”
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 5:20 pm
COGinator, if you think that it is gonna be the majority of Christians is right then you are absolutely wrong.
Matthew 7:13-14
13″Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
99% vs .01%? Wait till the Lord comes with fire and execute judgement.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 21, 2008
at 5:36 pm
Elijah,
Apostle Paul had to prove to the elders that he was still under the Old Law of Moses. If the elders were under the Law of Christ, then he wouldn’t have had to prove anything to them and the “rumors” of him teaching Jews to forsake the Mosaic Law and Jewish customs, inlcuding circumcision, wouldn’t have come about.
You say,” If Sabbath Day is Jesus and Apostle Paul’s customs, it is what we should be following.”
In Gal. 6:12-13: “As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these try to compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may glory in your flesh.”
I guess Paul wasn’t abiding by certain customs since his fellow Jews had a problem with him. But when questioned by the elders, he lied and denied the rumors.
Instead of standing up for his rights and telling them..
Col 3:9-11: “Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.”
I still don’t see any relevence to Donnie’s questions.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 5:41 pm
**CORRECTION, I said, “Apostle Paul had to prove to the elders that he was still under the Old Law of Moses. If the elders were..etc.”
I meant if the elders WERE NOT..etc.
You know, I’ll just post Donnie’s question on the Cult Watch forum, hopefully someone will be able to answer.
This has gone from asking basic questions about Ahnsahnghong’s and Mother Jerusalem’s real life history, to arguing over bible scripture.
Which is distrcting and avoids the real questions…
Think I’ll sit this one out seeing that it’s not going anywhere.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 5:55 pm
The World Mission Society Church of God keeps the Feast of God at their appointed times as God commanded us.
Deuteronomy 16:16- Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Tabernacles. No man should appear before the LORD empty-handed. (Leviticus 23). There are Seven Feast of God of three times. If you read the book of Leviticus chapter 23 you will find them all. The seven feast are the following:
The Sabbath (weekly feast)
Yearly Feast:
1: The Passover Feast
2: The Feast of Unleavened Bread
3: The Feast of Firsfruits
4: The Feast of Weeks
5: The Feast of Trumpets
6: The Day of Atonement
7: The Feast of Tabernacles
The World Mission Society Church of God keeps all these feast as God commanded so that we can be blessed by God. Nowadays, people think that these feast are only supposed to be kept by the Jewish people. However, they do not realize that Jesus Christ also established these Feast in the New Testament. Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong had to come again to this earth and remind us of the commandments of God.
John 14:25- 25″All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
The World Mission Society Church of God keeps the Feast of God. According to the bible, we must keep the Feast of God at their appointed times.
Deuteronomy 16:16- 16 Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Tabernacles. No man should appear before the LORD empty-handed: (please click the highlighted verse to view the seven feast of three times –Leviticus 23)
The Seven Feast are to be kept by the children of God. However, we do not keep the Feast of God the way the Jewish kept it. There is the Feast of God under the new covenant established by Christ.
Hebrews 10:1- The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Mathew 5:17- “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
We can see very clearly that Jesus did not come to abolish the law of Moses but to fulfill it. The Law was a shadow, but the reality was found in Christ. Then how did Jesus come to fulfill the law?
Hebrew 7:11- 11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
There was not an abolishment but a change of the law. Then how was it changed?
Hebrews 10:8- 8First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them” (although the law required them to be made). 9Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.
Hebrews 10: 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
The first regulation (law of Moses) was set aside, but there is a second Law!! what is this law?
Hebrews 8:7- For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said: “The time is coming, declares the Lord,when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
verse 13 -By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
The second law is the new covenant! The old covenant is the Law of Moses, but what about the new covenant?
1 Corinthians 9:21 -To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Even Apostle Paul said he was under a Law- not the law of Moses, but the Law of Christ! That is why Apostle Paul also said he was a minister of a new covenant- not of the letter (law of Moses) but of the Spirit.
Romans 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
James 1: 25- But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.
In Conclusion the law of Christ is the perfect law that we should follow. The World Mission Society Church of God keeps the Feast of the New covenant and not the Old covenant. The Feast of God were never abolished!! They still have to be kept at their appointed times the way Jesus taught us to keep them. (Luke 4:16, Mathew 26:17, Mathew 26:26, 1 Corinthians 15:20, Acts 2:1, John 7:2, verse 10, verse 14, verse 37). The World Mission Society Church of God keeps the Sabbath day, The Passover and Unleavened Bread, The Resurrection Day (Firstfruits), The Day of Pentecost (feast of weeks), Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Feast of Tabernacles. If we want to be blessed by God, we must keep the Feast of the New Covenant established by Christ.
How amazing it is that Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong came to this earth and let us know how to worship God correctly. Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us the Seven feast of three times! Through the seven feast of God we can receive Eternal Life! The World Mission Society keeps the seven feast of three times because it is the true church established by God Almighty!! God Ahnsahnghong is surely our God! Amen.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Elijah on May 21, 2008
at 7:15 pm
Good job Bro. Elijah. You what bro, people like Ted the Erratic Cheese and his followers are a bunch losers. All they ALL DAY EVERYDAY is find ways to destroy the true teachings of the Bible which Christ Ahnsahnghong brought back when Constantine destroyed it as prophecied in the Bible. GET A LIFE LOSERS!
On the other side which is Church of God’s side, when Christ came to this earth, He did everything as an example for us
John 13:15- I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.
The World Mission Society Church of God is and will follow the example of Christ until the end. One of the examples Christ set while being on earth was to keep the Sabbath. He himself kept the Sabbath day as an example for his children.
Luke 4:16-16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
Jesus did not go every Sunday as was his custom. He went every Sabbath day (Saturday as was His custom). Many say “Jesus kept the Sabbath because He was Jewish”. The people that say this fulfill the following verse:
Matthew 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
These people show they do not know the Scriptures at all!! Jesus was baptized at the age of 30. After that, He began to preach His own gospel. By the way, Jews don’t get baptized!! Christ established His own law when He came to earth. That is why it is written:
John 1:1 (NKJV)- The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
It is the Gospel of Jesus, not of the Jews. Then, after his baptism, He began to teach us the correct way to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. One example He set was the Sabbath day. That is why His disciples also followed in His footsteps.
1 Corinthians 11:1 -Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
Acts 17:2 As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 16:13 On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.
Revelation 1:10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
What is the Lord’s Day?
Mathew 12: 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” (The Son of Man is Jesus – John 9:35)
Then just as the Disciples followed the example of Christ, so the World Mission Society Church of God also follows. The true Disciples must follow the example of Christ. Not only did Jesus teach us to follow the Sabbath Day, but He also taught us to keep the Passover and the Feast of God.. If we want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, we must follow in Jesus footsteps.
1 John 2:3- We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
This is why the World Mission Society Church of God will follow the will of God until the end. God Bless you.
Let me put our logo in this blog.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Robert on May 21, 2008
at 8:03 pm
What’s going brothers and sisters of God’s Zion, World Mission Society Church of God. It’s very funny that these unbelievers like Donnie want to keep asking about our Jerusalem Mother’s biography. Again, they are proving things in men’s knowledge. Many Christians who profess to know the bible, do not recognize the existence of Mother God. Even though they study the bible wholeheartedly, they don’t come to realize that the bible does not only testify about a Father God, but also about a Mother God. The God who created the heavens and the earth is not only male but also female. They are Elohim God, which in Hebrew means plural of the Supreme God.
Genesis 1:26-27 (New King James Version)
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
very clearly we can see that the Creator God spoke in plural form. God didn’t say “let me make man in my image”. God said Let Us make man in Our image”. Therefore, out of God’s image came out male and female. There is a male image of God and a female image of God. The male image of God all Christians call our Father . Then, how about the female image of God? She is our Mother.
Revelation 22:17-17- The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Revelation 21:9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Then who is the Heavenly Jerusalem?
Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
The Church 2000 years ago believed in Heavenly Mother!! Nowadays, nobody teaches who is the Heavenly Mother. It is very important for our salvation to know who the Bride is because She will give us Eternal Life!! She says come to all peoples of the world to receive the water of life! The reason World Mission Society Church of God believes in Heavenly Mother is because she is God!! Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong came according to prophecy and revealed the bride in these last days. As only the groom can reveal to you his bride, so our Father Ahnsahnghong, the bridegroom, let us know His bride- The New Jerusalem who came down out of heaven as prophesied prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband!!
Revelation 19:7-7Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. 8Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.) Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”
Receive the Spirit and the Bride!!
By: Poland on May 21, 2008
at 8:28 pm
Elijah and Robert, you two are too funny.
You avoid simple questions and lure people into debating about bible scripture. This is an endless cycle.
Bible scripture has been debated on since the division of christianity.
If you both want me to feed into your bible debates, then, fine I’ll be happy to. No one has “won” anything. There is no “victory” in division and confusion.
You all want to separate yourselves from Jewish customs and Christian customs, putting yourselves in your own category.
Please..
Anyway, before I feed into your endless debate on bible scripture I challenge you Elijah, Robert, and or Marcus to answer these simple questions in regards to Mother Jerusalem.
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What is her name, how old is she, does she have families (children?, husband?) and how did she get inolved in this religion.
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Then I’ll waste some of my time debating bible scripture with you all, just like other Christian sects do everyday throughout their lives.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 8:45 pm
Those were questions posted by Donnie which none of you have given a complete question.
If someone ask you for your name and age, are you going quote bible scripture? No, you are going to tell them your name and age.
Similar to how you all fill out information about yourselves to hand over to the church.
So, answer Donnie’s simple questions, then you all can claim victory and tell me how “spiritually blinded” I am and how much I need to study the bible and accept Ahnsahnghong all you want.
In exchange that you provide answers to those simple questions.
By: Dark Angel on May 21, 2008
at 9:04 pm
Dark Angel said “If you both want me to feed into your bible debates, then, fine I’ll be happy to. No one has “won” anything. There is no “victory” in division and confusion.”
This is how someone who’s ignorant in the truth of the Bible speaks. Dark Angel, nobody wins between us if your thinking that this is a contest. The Word of God is God’s own words, not ours. Our part is to follow what God says according to His words, the Bible. Even Jesus Christ who is the Son of Man said the Scripture is not His own, it’s from His Father.
John 7:14-18 – Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”
Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
Well, I guess Dark Angel is trying to gain honor for himself. Clearly, Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ because He reminded us of what really Jesus taught us 2000 years ago. Don’t try to fight it Dark Angel and you will only find yourself fighting against God.
John 13:15-17 – I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
John 5:31-32 – “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.
Did Ahnsahnghong ever claimed that “Oh, I am God the Holy Spirit, bow down to me my servants”.? No, He was humble. He is truly the Second Christ, Jesus new name.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Robert on May 21, 2008
at 10:03 pm
Jesus’ mother Mary was visited by a divine being while Buddha’s mother Maya had a dream vision in which a white elephant approached her and entered into her to emerge nine months later as the future enlightened one the BUDDHA. The white elephant was a symbol of holiness. This is what Ahsahnghong followed for 30 years.
If we could bring Jesus and Buddha together for a discussion, neither Jesus nor Buddha would find each other’s worldview acceptable. According to Christ, Buddha would certainly not have been spiritual enlightened—far from it. His rejection of a creator God would classify him as a pagan believer, however adept he was at philosophical speculation”. In contrast to the claims of Buddhism, Jesus taught that He is the only way (John 17:3); the Scriptures, including His words, would not be corrupted (Matthew 5:17-18; Matthew 24:35); moral absolutes exist (John 12:48); the suffering in this world is real (Luke 13:3); He is the true light (John 1:9; 8:12; 12:46); He utterly rejected polytheism and paganism (Matthew 6:7; 22:37; Luke 4:8); there is no reincarnation or second chances (Luke 16:26); the goal in life is not apathy but involvement (Matthew 25:41ff); He did not claim to be a mere good person or teacher but God in the flesh (John 1:1). In addition, He taught the existence of a personal Creator who makes moral demands and judges (Luke 12:5), and completely Jesus rejected the idea that man by his own efforts can save himself without any outside help (John 8:24; Matthew 20:28; 26:28; John 6:29,47)
So Jesus was Jesus and will always be; he was not a Buddhist or a Hindu or anything else.
Once again
Ahnsahnghong is not humble actually a fallen angel “Wolf in sheep’s clothing” and his bride the Major Player in End Times Prophecy who holds the littlle puppets on her fingertips
How can you win COG’s when your God’s practiced idolatory and you in turn worship these pagan Gods. How was wesak or mothers day?. Did you offer fruits and a red and blue candle to the goddess.
WAKE UP COG people!!! This is false teaching! There is no salvation as long as you are in a cult.
By: Jonah on May 22, 2008
at 3:57 am
Jonah you are so full of it.. Ahnsahnhong did not follow BUDDAH for 30 years. He was a 7 day Adventist and thats part of the prophecy of the 7 churches… Not only that HE KEPT THE SABBATH DAY!! His parents were Buddhist. Get your story straight! Everything Ahnsahnhong did was to fullfill prophesies. If it looks like God Acts like God and fullfills pophecies that only God can fulfill… THEN IT IS GOD!
By: Lizzie on May 22, 2008
at 5:03 am
Thank you Sis. Lizzie. They don’t understand the Order of Melchizedek. I don’t wanna preached it to them because they wanna look at it in men’s opinion instead of what the Bible testifies about the Second Coming Christ.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Robert on May 22, 2008
at 5:13 am
Lizzie said, “Jonah you are so full of it.. Ahnsahnhong did not follow BUDDAH for 30 years. He was a 7 day Adventist and thats part of the prophecy of the 7 churches… Not only that HE KEPT THE SABBATH DAY!! His parents were Buddhist. Get your story straight! ”
Lizzie, at what age did Ahnsahnghong JOIN the Seventh Day Adventist church?
The guy was baptized in 1948 at the age of 30. How long does it really take someone to get baptized?
Give me a break with that. How about you get your story straight because it would appear that you do not know as well.
First ELIJAH claims there was NO TRACE of Christianity in 1918, the year Ahndahnghong was born, then you say that he wasn’t a Buddhist but a Seventh Day Adventist.
Are you serious??
He was baptized in 1948, that is when he ACCEPTED CHRIST and became a Seventh Day Adventist.
You all don’t have a clue about your own doctrine. If I didn’t point out the Christianity existed in South Korea before Ahnsahnghong was born, you all would still believe that it didn’t exist at that time.
Even the SDA church was there before your god was born.
So again Lizzie, how old was Ahndahnghong when he joined the church WITHOUT getting baptized. Did he join at age 21 then decided to get baptized at age 30?
If that were the case, then you all are shooting yourselves in the foot. Please tell em that was the case…oh man.
You all have already gotten the history of the existence of Christianity incorrect, so I want you to add on to your errors.
By: Dark Angel on May 22, 2008
at 6:01 am
Robert said, “This is how someone who’s ignorant in the truth of the Bible speaks. Dark Angel, nobody wins between us if your thinking that this is a contest.”
Robert, I am not the one who puts “Church of God’s truth=Won Always!” at the end of my posts. You do as well as Elijah. So apparently, the both of you think it’s a contest.
So I am ignorant in “the Truth”, yet you all believed that Christianity didn’t exist in South Korea in 1918. Wow, I guess you too have fallen victim to ignorance.
Also Lizzie, if your parents are of a certain religious belief, so are you until you are old enough to make your own choices.
NO ONE on this forum was born with authority over their parents.
Was Ahnsahnghong a Seventh Day Adventist at age 5?
Was Ahnsahnghong a Seventh Day Adventist at age 6?
Was Ahnsahnghong a Seventh Day Adventist at age 7?
How about 8, 9, 10, 11?
The KID followed his parents because in Korean culture, the Father does what’s write for the child. Just like in every respectful family household.
Stop being unrealistic, no CHILD has any authority over their parents to choose what religion they want or don’t want to follow.
By: Dark Angel on May 22, 2008
at 6:12 am
Here’s a common question that the CoG members are taught to ask ” Do you understand the will of God?”
I don’t think anyone of us will ever know the will of God. We can read our bibles, we can analyze word origins, and guess to the best of our human abilities, but we will never understand the will of God. So any organization that claims to have absolute authority and knowlege on that is proof in of itself that they are a manipulative organization and more than likely a cult.
In the case of the CoG, there are so many holes, contraditictions in thier interpretation of individual scriptures versus reading the bible in it’s entirety that thier claim to know what God’s intentions are is more than funny…it’s embarrasing.
By: COGInator on May 22, 2008
at 7:46 am
I saw a special on Buddism in Eastern countries on PBS, and the children have no choice but to follow the religion of thier parents. This would coincide with what the CoG teaches about ASH not finding Christ until his 30’s. So the question is, if he’s God, why wait the extra years between the time he’s no longer under the rule of his parents and the time he was baptized.
This fact would correspond with the Theory that he never claimed to be the second comming of Christ…a fictional statement that made surface after he died…no doubt from the queen B herself. MJ
By: COGInator on May 22, 2008
at 7:50 am
You see, King James here knows everything about everything.
I guess Christ Ahnsahnghong is not the Christ because Dark Angel here knows the Bible prophecies and has clearly showed that Christ Ahnsahnghong has not fulfilled them, right??
WRONG!!
Dark Angel does not believe in the Bible and yet he tries to disprove the Christ with the Bible. And it is only the Bible that testifies who is the Christ. No wonder Dark Angel sounds like a chicken with his head cut off.
He goes to Jewish websites to try and find proofs that Jesus was not the Christ. He uses is own interpretations of the Bible to try and prove that Ahnsahnghong is not the Christ.
Do you see how foolish you sound? I sit here and laugh and you and your buddies here trying to “debunk” the Church of God.
You know nothing of God’s will and you sit here and try to tell us what the God’s will is. You are an ignorant fool as I have told you many times before.
Since you know you are a fool when it comes to the Word of God, you want to ask questions like, “How old is Mother?” Ha, Ha, Ha!!
Hey guys, maybe if we tell Dark Angel how old Mother is, maybe he will believe!!
Do you guys know how stupid you sound?
Hey, maybe we should do some research into Jesus’ history also and see if he committed any crimes in his time. He did seem to hang around low class citizens of his time and grew up in a town that did not have a great reputation.
We have a non-Bible believer arguing the about the Bible.
It’s like a used car salesman trying to sell me a washing machine. You sound great, but you do not know what you are talking about. Why don’t you sell oh Lord Buddha, King James?? Maybe he can save all of us who are decieved in the Church of God.
I have exposed you last year and here you are still at it, with the same convoluted logic. We will continue to expose you till the last day my friend.
Revelation 12:7 — Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
BRING IT ON!!
By: marcus on May 22, 2008
at 8:12 am
The CogInator said……….”I don’t think anyone of us will ever know the will of God. We can read our bibles, we can analyze word origins, and guess to the best of our human abilities, but we will never understand the will of God.”
Ha, Ha, Ha! Wow, I guess no one gets to go to heaven. As Jesus said………..
Matthew 7: 21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
You are an idiot Coginator. Maybe you should read your Bible.
Keep talking…………
By: marcus on May 22, 2008
at 8:18 am
Mucas said “I sit here and laugh and you and your buddies here trying to “debunk” the Church of God.”
We don’t have to debunk the CoG for they have “debunked” themselves. If I had a dollar for everytime a CoGbot spewed that question I’d be almost as wealthy as Mother J.
Did you ever think for a minute that the people who disagree with the teaching of the CoG have read it, and do understand…hence why we disagree. It’s not our own opinion, it was has been discussed, debated, reasearch, and carefully analyzed for centuries. Are you that naive to think in the last couple of decades a Buddist born and raised Korean man who finds Christianity (as taught by the SDA) is suddenly on the same level as Jesus Christ? He never claimed it his entire life…so why should you?
I’ll tell you why you do…because the sophisticated brainwashing Mother J’s team has set in placed has found the weak, honed in on the vulerabilities, and has turned good people into one minded cult recruiters.
How often have you doubted the doctrine that the CoG teaches. Once, twice, three….dozens. You know why you doubted it? Because it didn’t make sense to you. They you blindly brought up your doubt to you decon and they did a jump around bible job on you…got you more confused, but solidified on what you think you should be understanding and then made you guilty if you admitted that it didn’t make sense. You felt that because they are so nice, and so well intentioned, that the right thing to do would be play nice and just follow the group. In cult teachings this is called “Group Think”. Where you individual opinon doesn’t count against the groups and you are accepted when you think as the group does.
Let me ask you, how much money have you spent going to Korea to the anual pilgramage. Where is that in the Bible? Is that the census that Joesph and Mary went to. Do you guys meet in a barn stable? Of is a huge and expensively built auditorium that focuses on the CoG and not on God himself?
Dark Angel as a better understanding of the Bible than any Decon the CoG has. He doesn’t have to believe what the bible is teaching to point out the doctrine errors the CoG promulgates. I bet he’s more of a believer than he lets on to believing…and if he’s not the Lord is softening his heart. So I for one am thankful to have him seriously reviewing the teaching of the CoG and finding faults in what is being taught.
The one thing you all (CoG people) should be thankful for is the parable of the Prodigal Son.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigal_Son
At least when you do come back, from your joy ride of pointing out the splinters in everyone’s eye’s. Our Father who art in Heaven, will be welcoming you back with open arms. He will heal you and help you get out the two by four sticking out of your eyes.
To summarize…research the “Law of Love”.
God Bless all, and may your eyes to the truth of the bilbe be reopened.
By: COGInator on May 22, 2008
at 12:34 pm
Marcus said “You are an idiot Coginator. Maybe you should read your Bible.”
Is that what your church teaches about loving your neighbor.
Wow…your setting a great example, but more importantly proving to all who are reading this and wondering if for just a moment, the CoG could be infact the one true church…
I guess they know now.
Keep up the stellar attitude that you are learing from your church leaders…it helps with our arguement that you church is nothing more than a cult.
By: COGInator on May 22, 2008
at 12:37 pm
Matthew 7: 21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
BTW, Marcus, it says he who does the will, not he who misinterprets it and acts on that misinterpretation goes to heaven. Also where does it say to worship a false idol as God’s will? I read my bible and didn’t find that passage…could you as so kind as to point it out to me. Thanks.
God Bless!
By: COGInator on May 22, 2008
at 12:42 pm
The C O G I n a t o r said, “I’ll tell you why you do…because the sophisticated brainwashing Mother J’s team has set in placed has found the weak, honed in on the vulerabilities, and has turned good people into one minded cult recruiters.”
Yes, I figured that this line was coming. You guys seem to make the same arguments.
Now I’m just a weak, vulnerable little robot who has been taken captive by the evil church of God.
I forgot that you know me better than I do. I am fascinated when people like yourself insult the intelligence of others.
C O G i n a t o r said, “BTW, Marcus, it says he who does the will, not he who misinterprets it and acts on that misinterpretation goes to heaven. ”
Let’s see the church of God keeps the teachings of Jesus Christ. Let us see what Jesus said shall we…
Luke 22:14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. ……………….19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Jesus gave his flesh and blood through the Passover bread and wine. He said this is poured out for “YOU”. Who needs the forgiveness of sins? YOU!, all of us.
The early church kept Jesus command and kept the Passover of the NEW COVENANT, by eating the bread and wine on the 14th day of the 1st month as GOD commanded.
What do you not understand about this? Is Jesus’ language not clear to you? The will of God is found in the Bible, you should check it out and follow it some time.
Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophecies of the second coming Jesus in these last days. This is the reason and the only reason he is the second coming Christ. Only through Bible prophecy can we recognize the Christ.
The difference is that you do not believe the prophecies. You follow man made traditions, and despise the commands of God.
Why are you so blind? I pray that God will open your eyes so you can see the truth in the Bible.
By: marcus on May 22, 2008
at 1:45 pm
Here is what Jamie wrote in another forum…………………..
“Howdy all. I’ve decided to create a blog that examines in depth the doctrines and teachings of the CoG WMS, and that critically questions them. I’ve been very provoked by their nonsense over at my normal blog, so I decided to have at them in a more organized and thorough way.
It’s at questionsaboutcogwms.wordpress.com
I plan to take one issue at a time and systematically expose and destroy their teachings using the bible, sound reasoning, and recent and as well as ancient church history to show. It’s going to be done in a non-confrontational, non-polemical manner (I’m faking as a person who’s seemingly interested in converting if I can get my questions answered because I don’t have adequate protection against defamation lawsuits here in Singapore), and will end up with questions to be answered by them (which I don’t expect them to do anyway). I actually hope that by making people think I can turn some of them away from CoG. I managed to get someone to start questioning CoG’s teachings, and as far as I know now he’s stopped going to their services. Thus, I feel there’s hope for some of them.
I will start with some of these doctrines (some are pretty big, so I might have to break them into pieces):
1) The veil
2) Mother Jerusalem in the Bible
3) The Cross being idol worship
4) Proofs that Ang Sahn Hong is the second coming Christ
5) The Passover and other feasts are requirements to enter heaven
Also I’d like to address other things that were raised by their members like “CoG must be from God because it has been given awards and it is successful” etc as well as their behavior as so-called followers of God. Many more I can’t remember offhand.
I’d love suggestions on anything else I can write about, and the references needed to read up on what they are teaching so that I can do a critical study on them.
Oh, here’s the place where they’ve been spamming me.
https://jamietalkstogod.wordpress.com/200….ission-society/
Jamie
Wow, Jamie wants to use the Bible to argue against the truth of God found in the Bible, like the veil, Passover, prophecies of second coming
Christ. Go figure.
By: marcus on May 22, 2008
at 1:57 pm
Marcus said “Let’s see the church of God keeps the teachings of Jesus Christ.”
Except love they Neighbor…so are they following all Gods commands?
Whats hard about this? I won’t ask if you read your bible, I’ll ask instead; Did you understand it? I think that is where the CoG get’s it’s influence from. The fact that people read the bible but they don’t understand its intentions. So the CoG spins it for thier benefit, and suddenly you feel enlightened…because you now know the real meaning…because the one true church told you. Who told you they were the one true church…they did. Him we’re is your third part verification…and don’t say the bible because the interpretation is comming from them.
No one is disputing that Jesus followed the passover, sabbath, and all the jewish feasts…he was raised jewish. He made reference that the Passover celebration in the future would be what reminds us of what he was going to do on the cross. So here is where we split at the fork in the road. CoG teaches it’s the Passover super that is what Jesus was offering…And the rest of Christianity believes it’s what Jesus did for us on the cross that is what was our gift. It’s that difference that make the two religions so different. Your’s require absolute obedience and no grace. Where Christianity has grace and forgivenss that powers it. That why you must follow a strict Sabbath, and that’s why such rules as these became obsolete in modern christianity.
Let’s just agree to disagree. You follow your religion and I’ll follow mine. I’ll be happy and you’ll be misarable. I’m ok with it if you are!
By: COGInator on May 22, 2008
at 3:18 pm
Easy guys..
Okay I Get your story straight!
Lizzie said: His parents were Buddhist
Robert said:They don’t understand the Order of Melchizedek.
Elijah said: No father or mother
It sounds more of a vicious cycle to me. “ The wheel of Dharma”
Now he was in the SDA and is linked with 7 churches. So I assume as soon as he was born the baby was placed on the white elephant and sent to SDA for enlightment
Refer to this link on how the prophecy idea came to be used by COG
http://www.giveshare.org/churchhistory/sda/064.sda.html
Probably at the age of 30 he felt it was too difficult for him to keep up with the precepts of Buddhism and right enough one of the members of SDA knocked on his door and used the same techniques that you go about with.
At a point he must have realized Christianity is a good business if the SDA’s are the Sabbath-keepers why not I get started something on my own. The word “Bodhi” means to awaken.
He needed a quiet place to work on this thesis you see and the cave was the right one. He has very carefully blended both religions to the extent that almost damaged his brains. I guess at least you know how he died after visiting the COG museum in Korea. Then with Joo Cheol’s stolen idea from rest of the cult they presented to you “Passover” the theme of your new doctrine. After all buddhism believes in reincarnation and with Ahnsahnghong as the second coming Jesus who is surely not from the root of David or as high priest Melchizedek but a Buddhist descent and you use the Bible to cause confusion. You know every cult leave a loophole even however hard they try to misled people
We now have different Churches teaching seven differing categories of ‘truth’, plus numerous of small, scattered groups and I must conclude COG teaches various shades of ‘truth’ from the bizarre to utter madness.
By: Jonah on May 22, 2008
at 5:24 pm
Here’s a short story for the little children of COG
Buddhism found its way in korea in the 4th century. It began around 2,500 years ago in India when Siddhartha Gautama discovered how to bring happiness into the world. He was born around 566 BC, in the Lumbini garden at Rummindei in Nepal.in the small kingdom of Kapilavastu. His father was King Suddhodana and his mother was Queen Maya. At the age of sixteen, Prince Siddhartha married a beautiful princess, Yasodhara
The date of his birth is unknown as it is based on calendar that varies as per the moon. Yet we know quite a few details about his existence on the earth around 566 B.C than Ahnsahnghong who was born in 1918. It’s a pity that we do not know the name of his parents and honor them who gave birth to this spiritual child.
Buddha’s teaching is told goes round and round like a great wheel that never stops called “The wheel of Dharma” So for you’ll to understand Ahnsahnghong and his bride I think Marcus and the rest must know Buddhism, which is a shadow of Ahnsahnghong’s teachings.
Moral of the story is “Look before you leap” and “Receive the light of Jesus Christ”
By: Jonah on May 22, 2008
at 5:26 pm
Marcus this is for you and all who proclaim they read the Bible.
Many cults use the Bible and Bible terminology. On the surface they may sound very biblical to those not well-grounded in the Scriptures or not well-informed of the cult’s doctrine. They skillfully combine biblical truth mixed with error and falsehood, leading many astray. People often get involved in these not realizing their true doctrine To understand the Bible and will of God you need to read the whole of 66 books in there all by yourself.
Please it is my humble request stop tampering with the Bible and using it as a tool for deception and showing your false god who actually stays put like Buddha in Korea Thanks!
As stated “Jonah you are so full of it.”
Obviously after the B.S and your repeated post here on this blog makes me sick in the stomach. Just waiting to flush it all down. I need a break.
By: Jonah on May 22, 2008
at 5:28 pm
Bro. marcus, seems like Ted and Jaime are teaming up to destroy the truths in the Bible. Just a reminder for Ted and Jaime.
Acts 5:38-39 – Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
Keep trying till the Lord comes with fire and you guys will be slain.
By: Robert on May 22, 2008
at 6:21 pm
Jamie said “I have created this place because I have many questions about the various beliefs of the CoG, but so far, none of the CoG members whom I have had contact with have answered my questions. How is one to ever enter into their religion if that is the case? I intend to examine the various teachings and generate questions on what they teach as truth. This is to facilitate a deeper understanding on my part. I simply cannot turn away from mainstream Christianity until these issues are resolved satisfactorily.
Jesus commands us in the Bible to “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind” (Luke 10:27 and also Mark 12:30). God gave us the ability to think and reason, and to critically examine every teaching and doctrine to see if it lines up with the whole Word of God. The Bereans are a good example of this (Acts 17:11). Therefore, I simply cannot and will not just accept the teachings and doctrines of CoG WMS to be true without these questions going unanswered.
Therefore, CoG members, please help me in this. If you claim that one must obey ALL of God’s commandments in order to truly follow God, then please help love God with my mind as I seek to have my questions about your teachings answered. If you do not do that, I can never follow all of His commandments and I will then never be able to become a CoG member. Please don’t let my soul be lost! I want to be part of the truth.”
Ref: http://questionsaboutcogwms.wordpress.com/about/
John 14:21 – Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
Jamie, these are clearly Jesus words that “whoever has His commands and obeys them, he or she is the one who loves Him and he or she will be loved by His father and Jesus too will love him or her and Jesus will show Himself to him or her.” What else are you looking for? This is the truth. In the Old Testament, so many examples God showed us that “obeying His words absolutely is the one who loves Him.” When God said to Noah to build an ark, Noah didn’t hesitate and just follow God. Those who didn’t believe were perished. Same with Naaman who washed himself in the dirty river of Jordan 7 times and were healed. To people’s common sense, Naaman is crazy for doing such things but we have to remember that keeping God’s words absolutely is the only way to show that we love God. These are only a few examples in the Old Testament. Well, I guess Church of God haters think we’re crazy for keeping the Passover of the new covenant just as Jesus promised eternal life with it, not what Constantine thinks.
By: Robert on May 22, 2008
at 8:36 pm
Hello Marcus,
Ok as always, you like to turn the focus to me. It is not about me, it’s about Ahnsahnghong. I knew that you were Ryan or John, or Baxter28, way before the Icons to the right appeared and I didn’t have to be Omniscient to see that.
Also seeing that you mentioned our discussions from last year made it clear.
Ok Marcus, Ahnsahnghong was “Omniscient” yet with all of this foreknowledge, yet, he still couldn’t get a predictions right.
Marcus said, “Dark Angel does not believe in the Bible and yet he tries to disprove the Christ with the Bible. And it is only the Bible that testifies who is the Christ. No wonder Dark Angel sounds like a chicken with his head cut off.”
Well, what else would I use, Marcus? Again, this is not about me, it’s about the “Omniscient Being” known as Ahnsahnghong. I was not raised a Buddhist, Marcus.
Marcus said, “He goes to Jewish websites to try and find proofs that Jesus was not the Christ. He uses is own interpretations of the Bible to try and prove that Ahnsahnghong is not the Christ.”
Marcus, I also have a book that I have read on Judaism, a book on the Torah, the Talmud and I tend to purchase as more. Why not start at the root? The Hebrew language is the original so why not start use the original?
I only reference websites because it is easier to post links, however, it is all the same information contained in my books. If I refernced the books, would it matter? No, because you all would still say that it is the “will of men”, basically saying the Jews are wrong in their belief and understanding of their own language and history.
Marcus said, “Since you know you are a fool when it comes to the Word of God, you want to ask questions like, “How old is Mother?” Ha, Ha, Ha!!”
So it takes a fool to ask a logical question? Then I would rather be a fool. The question still has not been answered by anyone in the COG. Why is it such a secret to state someone’s age or better yet, real life history.
If you are going to state MJ’s age, then why stop there? You should start with Donnie’s questions.
Marcus said, “We have a non-Bible believer arguing the about the Bible.”
It sounds just as rediculous as non-believers birthing a god of a religion they were not even a part of. To make it worse, he worshipped the same idols that he despised in the Old Testament.
Yea, that sounds logical. It doesn’t take a Christian to see the flaw in that. A Jewish person or a Muslim would see there’s something wrong with that.
Marcus said, “I have exposed you last year and here you are still at it, with the same convoluted logic. We will continue to expose you till the last day my friend.”
Whatever you say, Marcus. Apparently, you never left either. You go from forum to forum posting your doctrines. Why are you trying to make it seem as though you haven’t. Your user name was Ryan and your post are in the middle of the page.
Wow, you are still here too.
If it weren’t for your buddies hacking into the Cult Watch forum and deleting my account, perhaps I would have continued to use the old user name.
Overall, I feel information should not be withheld from anyone and if I have information to share, I am going to do so, whether it been from a reliable source on the internet or references to books. That is very important to me.
This is about Ahnsahnghong not the bible. If you want to argue about bible scripture, then there are other forums setup for that purpose.
By: Dark Angel on May 22, 2008
at 8:37 pm
Marcus said in response to COGinators post, “I forgot that you know me better than I do. I am fascinated when people like yourself insult the intelligence of others.”
It’s funny that you say that, Marcus since you’ve been calling me an ignorant fool throughout our discussions.
By: Dark Angel on May 22, 2008
at 9:20 pm
Marcus said, “Jesus gave his flesh and blood through the Passover bread and wine. He said this is poured out for “YOU”. Who needs the forgiveness of sins? YOU!, all of us.
The early church kept Jesus command and kept the Passover of the NEW COVENANT, by eating the bread and wine on the 14th day of the 1st month as GOD commanded.
What do you not understand about this? Is Jesus’ language not clear to you? The will of God is found in the Bible, you should check it out and follow it some time.”
There’s a difference between the “Jewish Christians” and the Gentile Christians in the early church. It’s called circumcision, which many “Jewish Christians” still adhered to because they were keeping the old law. That is where Paul tried to break down the separation.
By: Dark Angel on May 22, 2008
at 9:26 pm
Dark Angel said “Marcus, I also have a book that I have read on Judaism, a book on the Torah, the Talmud and I tend to purchase as more. Why not start at the root? The Hebrew language is the original so why not start use the original?”
Dark Angel, why do you need the original Hebrew Bible when you don’t even follow it? I guess you wanna keep arguing from the opinion of men. Just to let you know Dark Angel, the Bible is written as it is. No one can add or subtract just as Jesus said in Revelation.
Isaiah 34:16 Look in the scroll of the LORD and read:
None of these will be missing,
not one will lack her mate.
For it is his mouth that has given the order,
and his Spirit will gather them together.
By: Elijah on May 22, 2008
at 9:28 pm
LMAO, you crazy Jew haters.
Half the crap the COG teaches aint even in the original Hebrew Bbile.
Came in the east?
Plural Mother god?
Aint in the Bible you whackos.
LOLAGE- LAUGHING AT THE AGE OF LOL
LOLISM
COG=FUNNY
By: LOLAGE on May 22, 2008
at 11:12 pm
Church of God haters, are you the one that truly loves God? The World Mission Society Church of God really loves God because we follow His commandments… At this time and moment, can you say that you Love Him with all your heart, mind and soul?..
So many people I have met tell me the only thing they have to do to receive salvation is to Love God and Confess his name. But…. do you know what kind of Love God expects from you? Have you checked through the Bible what is the definition of Love in the eyes of God. It is written:
1 John 3:18-Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.
Then what kind of action does God want from us?
1 John 2:3-We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
1 John 5: 2- This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome
2 john 1:6- And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands.
John 14:15- If you love me, you will obey what I command.
Deutoronomy 5:10-… but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Deutoronomy 11:1- Love the LORD your God and keep his requirements, his decrees, his laws and his commands always.
John 14:21-21- Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
John 15:10- If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
Why does God continue to say to obey his commands?!! He says Love= Obey commands. If we say we Love God, yet we dont obey his commands God says we are liars in His eyes!!!
Very simple….
If we Love God= Obey His commands.
If we dont Love God= Dont obey commands.
Then check yourselves… are you keeping the Biblical Sabbath Holy as God commanded? are you keeping the Passover as God commanded? are you keeping the feast of God as He commanded? are you truly walking in obedience to His commands?! Please give careful thought to your actions. Dont just say I love you God, but show Him you love Him through your actions. Your God says to please obey his commands so that you can receive salvation. If we obey, we will be greatly blessed!
Because God loves us so much, he came a second time to bring salvation!! He is Christ Ahnsahnghong. Christ Ahn Sahng Hong has taught us all the truth that has been kept hidden for generations. Christ Ahnsahnghong restored all the truth of God that was abolished during the dark ages, therefore Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ prophesied in the Bible (Hebrews 9:28). If you study, you will see that Christ Ahnsahnghong truly fulfilled everything that was prophesied about Second Coming Christ. Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us the Sabbath, Passover and many other truths that were abolished after Jesus ascended to heaven. Christ Ahn Sahng Hong has taught us the true meaning of Love and let us realize how to truly Love God. God Ahnsahnghong, I love you so much! You are the true God and Savior! Amen!
LOLAGE=SAD BEING HYPOCRITE
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Robert on May 23, 2008
at 5:11 am
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, why do you need the original Hebrew Bible when you don’t even follow it? I guess you wanna keep arguing from the opinion of men. Just to let you know Dark Angel, the Bible is written as it is. No one can add or subtract just as Jesus said in Revelation.”
Elijah, that is not true. There are Hebrew words and phrases mistranslated from the Torah to Greek.
For example: The word “Alma” does not mean “virgin”.
One doesn’t have to “believe” to study the history of religions. All you are saying is that the Jews are incorrect in their own language.
That is similar to you telling an hispanic person that the word “Nena” translates to “virgin”.
The word “Nena” is spanish for “Girl”
The word “Virgen” is spanish for “Virgin”
Virgen (with an E) and Virgin are similar (Virgin with an I).
So yes, I would rather study the orginal language and it’s terminologies than take the translated versions of the Torah.
By: Dark Angel on May 23, 2008
at 8:30 am
Robert said “The World Mission Society Church of God really loves God because we follow His commandments…”
His meaning, Jesus? Ahnsanghong? Mother J, or Joo Cheol Kim?
When Chung Gil Cha kicks the bucket, how will they incorporate Joo as a God to further the lie?
Will they find a scripture in the bible that talks about God living in us and show that Mother J is in Joo? What prophecy shows us? Maybe its the. “Before the end comes, the Gospel will be preached to the entire world”. Matthew 24:14
That’s why MJ and ASH has to enter into the body of Joo and do their work down here on earth. To prepare for the last days (that they’ve been preparing for years.
I guess we can make this crazier than it already is if we really stretch things.
By: CoGinator on May 23, 2008
at 11:44 am
**correction,
it is spelled Nina, not Nena, which means “girl” in spanish.
By: Dark Angel on May 23, 2008
at 1:01 pm
When Chung Gil Cha kicks the bucket, how will they incorporate Joo as a God to further the lie?
Well we all been told that he spent time with Ash in the cave a s a boy
Will they find a scripture in the bible that talks about God living in us and show that Mother J is in Joo? What prophecy shows us? Maybe its the. “Before the end comes, the Gospel will be preached to the entire world”. Matthew 24:14
In Buddhism, the Dalai Lama is believed to be an incarnation of Avalokitesvara, the Buddha of Compassion; when the Dalai Lama dies, his soul is believed to pass into the body of an infant.
Remember the “Wheel of Dharma”as stated above. COG has its roots of paganism, the Bible is just a tool used for promoting this false doctrine.
By: Jonah on May 23, 2008
at 1:44 pm
I mean Joo spent time with Ash in the cave as a boy
When Chung Gil Cha kicks the bucket, her soul will be believed to pass into the body of an infant.
(Joo cheol)
The WAtv dept is already working on that theory and looking for scriptures in the Bible
By: Jonah on May 23, 2008
at 3:58 pm
Dark Angel said “Elijah, that is not true. There are Hebrew words and phrases mistranslated from the Torah to Greek.”
Dark Angel, do you know better than God? The Bible is written as it is. Oh I guess you wanna find something wrong on what’s written in the Bible and rewrite it then call it “The Holy Bible: Dark Angel Version”? Your making me laugh Dark Angel. Clearly, it is written in Revelation that do not add or subtract.
Revelation 22:18-19
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Clear enough Dark Angel? Maybe not since you don’t like what’s actually written in the Bible. I mean even the Order of Melchizedek, you don’t agree what’s written in the Bible about Jesus coming from Judah.
Hebrews 7:14
14For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Dark Angel, should we listen to you or what the Bible testifies? You tell me.
By: Elijah on May 23, 2008
at 4:51 pm
There are groups like the famous Freemasons that shows love for their brethren brothers. The members of World Mission Society Church of God follows the “Brotherly Love” according to the Bible. They preach the truth even if they are being persecuted verbally by the unbelievers on a daily basis. There are parables that Jesus spoke that find those lost sheeps makes the shepard happy and it is the same when an unbeliever repent and follow God’s commandments. As God said, “I am the LORD; in its time I will do this swiftly,” God is working without rest for our salvation. In these days, we ought to preach the gospel of the heavenly kingdom more diligently in accordance with God’s will, being united with one another in the holy city of Zion.
God is pleased with the unity of brothers
Php 2:1-2 『If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.』
The Bible repeatedly says, “Be like-minded,” “Have the same love,” and “Be one in spirit and purpose.” This shows that it is very important for us to be united, without any divisions among ourselves.
It is God’s will and teaching that we fulfill beautiful unity. We can clearly understand the will of God through things He has made. Think of salt. It is indispensable for our daily life. Salt “NaCl” is a combination of two elements―sodium “Na” and chlorine “Cl.” Salt itself is eatable. However, if it is dissolved into sodium and chlorine, each element becomes harmful to our health when we eat it.
So is water. When two atoms of hydrogen “H2” combine with one oxygen “O,” then water “H2O” is formed. But suppose that the water molecules are separated and only hydrogen comes into our body. It was this hydrogen that Thomas Edison, the inventive genius of America, made his friend inhale and caused him stomachache, saying that he would make him fly like a balloon. If Edison had made him drink water―a combination of hydrogen and oxygen, he would have been all right. It was because his friend inhaled only hydrogen that he was troubled with stomachache.
Nylon, the first synthetic fiber, is a combination of water, air and coal. Suppose that each element remains as itself. Is it possible for water itself to turn into clothes? Or can we make clothes from air or coal itself? The combination of those three produces a new material―nylon.
In this earth there are many elements which God created; they produce precious things when they combine with each other. Though a substance itself is poisonous, if it combines with others, it turns into a new material which is beneficial to us. We are God’s children who abide in the truth. God wants us to be united in love rather than be in disaccord and get jealous of each other.
Ps 133:1-3 『How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! It is like precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron’s beard, down upon the collar of his robes. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the LORD bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.』
In God’s sight, it is good and beautiful for brothers to be united in Zion. As we know, each of us is merely a sinner expelled from heaven for committing sin. We all know that when the 144,000 become united in love, the New Jerusalem Temple will be completed.
If a brother still has a sinful nature and does wrong, we have to encourage him to try to correct his mistakes, so that he may become worthy of entering heaven. Then we will be in perfect union which is most pleasing to God. The Bible makes us realize that.
Eternal life is given by uniting with Christ through the new covenant
Then, let’s consider why we should be united among ourselves in Zion and how to become one.
Jn 6:53-58 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, … Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. …”』
Eternal life is given to us when God remains in us and we are all united with one another in God. Without becoming one, eternal life can never be given to us.
So Jesus says in John 15, “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers.” Through this word God also warns us what the result of our disaccord will be. God doesn’t want us to suffer such a terrible end. That’s why He tells us to be united.
God has given us the Passover so that we may remain in Him and He in us. We can become one with God only through the bread and wine of the Passover, symbolizing the flesh and blood of God.
1 Co 10:16-17 『Is it not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is it not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.』
What is the cup of thanksgiving which is a participation in the blood of Christ? What is the bread which is a participation in the body of Christ? That is the bread and wine of the Passover. Here, Apostle Paul explains to the saints in the Church of God in Corinth the profound meaning of the Passover through which they can become one.
We are to follow the way of God for our salvation. God allows us eternal life by letting us partake of the bread and wine of the Passover, through which we become one with Christ and our brothers. The only way to get eternal life is to become one with God. If we try to find any other way to have eternal life, we commit an act of ignoring God’s providence and plan.
If it is a chemical law to form water when two hydrogen atoms combine with one oxygen, it is a spiritual law to get eternal life when we are united with Christ and our brothers through the bread and wine of the Passover of the new covenant.
The devil, the evil spirit, is trying to destroy this spiritual law of God. He infiltrates into people’s soul and whispers, ‘You don’t have to keep the Passover,’ or ‘Is it not the law of Moses in the Old Testament times?’ We should stand firmly against the evil force who is trying to destroy God’s principle of salvation, so that we can preach the way of salvation even more.
Ro 11:16-24 『… If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast olive those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. … Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. … After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!』
We were mortal sinners. However, God grafted us into Him by cutting off His flesh and made us united with Him, so that our past sinful nature would be extinguished. We the branches, which were once broken off, have come to life by receiving the sap from the root.
We are to die if we are left alone. Through the truth of the Passover, however, God has grafted us into Him, so that He may remain in us and we in Him. For this reason, the Early Church considered the Passover so important; especially Paul, known as the ‘Apostle to the Gentile,’ preached the Passover wherever he went. Even in this age, the importance of the Passover has not been reduced at all.
1 Co 11:23-26 『For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.』
Through all the above words, we can understand a little bit more why God told us to become one, to love one another, and to preach the Passover of the new covenant to all the peoples of the world.
When all our family members in Zion become united in love rather than to be jealous and exclusive, we shall enter the eternal kingdom, where we will experience eternal life.
Unity for God’s glory and unity for man’s honor
There is one thing we must remember when we unite ourselves; it is that our unity must be established for God’s glory, not our own.
Ge 11:1-9 『Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said to each other, … “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” … The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. …』
When people built the Tower of Babel, they tried to distinguish themselves and display their own glory rather than God’s. Then God confused their language so they would not continue to do the work. Though they became one in mind, they intended to display their own glory and make a name for themselves, and God stopped them from doing the work. Through this history, we need to consider again what we should become united for.
If we are united to display our own righteousness, God will deter us from what we intend to do. However, if we become of one mind and one accord for the glory of God, we will receive God’s gracious help which we’ve not ever expected.
Ac 1:12-14 『… When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.』
Ac 2:1-12 『When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. … All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. … Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphlia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs―we hear them declaring that wonders of God in our own tongues!” …』
Preparing for the day of Pentecost, the disciples were continually devoting themselves to prayer with one mind for the glory of God. When the day of Pentecost came, the strong power and help of the Holy Spirit came upon them from heaven.
As they joined together for the glory of God with one mind, God unified all their confused languages. Even though the disciples spoke in Hebrew, all the people―Parthians, Medes and Mesopotamians―heard them speaking in their own languages, as God enabled them.
Both in Acts and in Genesis, we can find the common point―it was that they were all with one accord. However, they got totally different results. As for the former, God unified their scattered languages so they could do His work, but as for the latter He confused their language so they might not do their own work. They were totally opposite to each other.
Now, we live in the last days. In doing the gospel work, we should not win a name for ourselves. It is good for all the brothers and sisters in Zion to become united in heart and in mind. In doing that, there must be a certain purpose deserving of God’s help.
Let’s unite into one for the glory of God
The one whom God helps is invincible. Any worldly weapons are useless to him when God helps him. Remember that about a hundred and thirty-five thousand men, the forces of Midian, were completely destroyed by three hundred men, the warriors of Gideon. How could they win victory? It was because they united with one another for the glory of God, not for their own.
‘We fight this fight for the sake of our God.’ With this thought, they were all with one mind. As a result, all the Israelites, who had been oppressed by Midianites for a long time, could be freed from them with joy. Only a small number of people, the three hundred men, defeated a hundred and thirty-five thousand men. It was because they fought for the glory of God. However, when people built the Tower of Babel, though a great number of people were called together for the labor, it fell down. For they said, “Let’s make a name for ourselves.”
We must not let such words come into our minds nor let it come out of our mouths. Rather, we shall only give thanks to God, who has redeemed us from our sins and given us the way to eternal heaven, in obedience to God’s will and all His commands. Then we will be able to follow the Lamb wherever He goes, won’t we?
We are to unite ourselves with everything, though it is a small matter. When we perform our own duties with one mind only for the glory of God, the last Reformation is to be accomplished. The task entrusted to us is just shouting: Our mission is to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth, proclaiming the new name of the age of the Holy Spirit who restored the new covenant, shouting, “He is our God.” For this, we must be united in mind. When we are all with one mind for the glory of God, He will surely help us.
Jer 13:15-17 『Hear and pay attention, do not be arrogant, for the LORD has spoken. … You hope for light, but he will turn it to thick darkness and change it to deep gloom. But if you do not listen, I will weep in secret because of your pride; …』
All truth that we preach now comes from God. Nothing in this world belongs to us. We are all just messengers of God who preach the good news of salvation to dying souls all over the world. We have to thank God for giving us such a great mission, and devote ourselves to His glory even more.
For the glory of God, every member of the 144,000 is really precious. Suppose that a bolt comes out of a car. Though all the other parts are of the highest quality, if a bolt is inferior and it is pulled out of a moving car, what will happen to the car?
We’ve received the truth and each of us has become a member of God’s workers participating in the mission of salvation in these last days. None of us can be ignored; we are all precious and valuable. My dear brothers and sisters! Now our Father and Mother say to us, “You’ve finished marching around the city seven times. Now, just shout aloud!” In obedience to the will of our Father and Mother, let’s cry aloud with one mind.
Let’s go to heaven together in one mind
Now, we hear lots of glad news that our lost brothers and sisters stream to Zion to receive the truth. Besides, God speeds this gospel through the mass media. At this time, we should become in one mind and heart, always giving glory to God. Then God will help us to accomplish His will―the last Reformation, just as He helped 300 warriors defeat 135,000 Medianite soldiers, and just as He helped the Israelites cross the Red Sea even without a boat, feeding the six hundred thousand men for forty years.
Our Church of God has maintained its history until today with God’s help. Though people have persecuted and slandered us in various ways, God has always helped us. They have intended to hinder the growth of our church by magnifying a trifle matter and spreading groundless rumors. However, God has made our Church known more widely and let more people know our Church as true. Now, many brothers and sisters have come to Zion where our Father dwells, into the arms of Jerusalem our Mother.
All the people in Zion are to give all glory to God, following the tradition of the Church of God. Those who always think of the glory of God cannot become evil. However, those who think of the glory of their own, are supposed to be wicked. They are self-centered and try to obtain fame and promotion even by overriding and injuring others. Their self-seeking attitude makes our society more harsh and evil. Zion is not so. It is a beautiful unified organism for the glory of God.
God has given us good conditions. Now, let’s proclaim more diligently. Everything is possible if we do it for the glory of God. Believ-ing this firmly, let’s perform our mission faithfully, following our Father and Mother to the end wherever They go.
Our mission is to save all souls from sin and lead them to heaven, by proclaiming the last Reformation to the ends of the earth. My loving brothers and sisters! Let’s unite ourselves together for the glory of God. Instead of being envious and quarrelsome, let’s be united in love, manifesting God’s love not only in words, but in deed, so that we can safely arrive in heaven after we finish our journey of faith in this spiritual desert.
By: Robert on May 23, 2008
at 6:15 pm
Elijah,
How many languages do you know?
Do you know Hebrew?
Do you know Aramaic?
Have you even tried to study either?
Without googling this information, tell me what this means, it is written in Hebrew:
“Melech ha-M’lachim”
Elijah, you can post all of the bible scripture you want, it won’t change the fact that you don’t know Hebrew.
Why don’t you try learning about the language Jesus spoke? You do follow him don’t you?
I’m only sharing information, it doesn’t matter if you “listen” to me or not, the information will always exist, whether if you choose to ignore it or not.
As a matter of fact, I don’t want you to listen to me, or take my word for it. It would be best if you check it out for yourself.
Does Mother Jerusalem know Hebrew?
Did Ahnsahnghong know Hebrew?
By: Dark Angel on May 23, 2008
at 7:56 pm
Robert, what’s with the long post? Is it really that necessary?
By: Dark Angel on May 23, 2008
at 7:59 pm
Dark Angel said “Elijah,
How many languages do you know?
Do you know Hebrew?
Do you know Aramaic?
Have you even tried to study either?
I don’t know Hebrew or Aramaic languages and since I don’t know neither language I haven’t studied each language version of the Bible. But you have to understand Dark Angel that language is not an issue. The reason there’s different versions of the Word of God in different languages because it is His will.
Matthew 28:18-20
18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Clearly, it is God’s will that there would be Bibles in different languages. Jesus didn’t say to just make disciples of Hebrew or Aramaic. Jesus said make disciples of ALL NATIONS. I guess Dark Angel just wanna stay in his own belief, his own little bowl of Hebrew and Aramaic languages in the will of men. Poor Dark Angel who cannot see the light.
By: Elijah on May 24, 2008
at 1:41 am
What are you talking about Dark Angel. You post what you want and I post what the Bible teaches. Fair? By the way, I am a former Master Mason and I regret it. Also, if you don’t wanna follow what the Bible teaches, then I pity you. We could have been spiritual brothers but you don’t want to. You cannot say your a brother of Jesus because you dont’ do His will. I am a brother of Jesus because I follow His will. Clear?
By: Robert on May 24, 2008
at 2:24 am
Ok, Elijah and Robert, whatever you say.
By: Dark Angel on May 24, 2008
at 5:09 am
This list is from wikepedia and are all false christs termed as cults.
John Nichols Thom-born 1799-Cornishman who claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and his body temple of the Holy Ghost. He was killed by British soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood, on May 31, 1838 in Kent, England.
Jim Jones–May 13, 1931 – November 18, 1978-Claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus, Akhenaten, Buddha, Lenin, and Father Divine. [1] (see Jonestown).
Marshall Applewhite–1931–1997-Applewhite posted a famous Usenet message declaiming, “I, Jesus—Son of God—acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995: …”.[2] This was two years before he and his Heaven’s Gate cult committed suicide to rendezvous with a spaceship hiding behind the comet Hale-Bopp.
Suma Ching Hai–Birth date unknown, possible late 1950s-A meditation teacher who claims to be an incarnation of Avalokitesvara and a living reincarnation of the Buddha and Jesus Christ.
Sergei Torop–born 1961-Russian who claims to be “reborn” as Vissarion, the returned Jesus Christ. He founded the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia.
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda — Organizer of the Growing in Grace who claims that the resurrected Christ “integrated himself within me.”.
Luc Jouret — Leader of the Order of the Solar Temple and was believed to be the third reincarnation of Jesus Christ.
Maitreya — The expected world teacher who is promoted by the British author Benjamin Creme.
Charles Manson — Founder of “The Family”.
Jung Myung Seok — Founder of Providence Church, international fugitive wanted for rape among other crimes.
Ariffin Mohamed — Also known as Ayah Pin, is the founder of banned Sky Kingdom in Malaysia. He claims to be the incarnation of Jesus Christ, as well as Muhammad, Shiva, and Buddha.[1]
Ayya Vaikundar; According to Akilattirattu Ammanai, the scripture of Ayyavazhi Narayana, who was one among the trinity in Vaikundar was the one who incarnated as Jesus.
Inri Cristo, Brazilian religious leader.
Matayoshi Jesus; In 1997 he established the World Economic Community Party based on his conviction that he is the God and Christ. [4]
Hogen Fukunaga; He claimed to realize he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and the Buddha [5].
Apollo C. Quiboloy; A Cebuano pastor who claims to be the Christ. He has also marked Pastor Eli Soriano as being condemned to hell.
Rev. Sun Myung Moon founder of the Unification Church
Bahá’u’lláh founder of the Baha’i Faith.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founder of the Ahmadiyya faith.
Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko — A supporter of the New Chronology, claims that Jesus Christ is the same person as the prophet Elisha, Saint Basil of Caesarea, and Pope Gregory VII.
Vince Taylor — Musician.
G.G. Allin — Claimed to be “Jesus Christ, God and Satan all in one.”
Mehmet Ali Ağca a Turkish assassin who shot and wounded Pope John Paul II[2]
Tom Graeff — filmmaker who claimed to be Jesus Christ II in the early 1960s
David Icke — Claimed he was the Son of God on UK chatshow ‘Wogan’ in 1991. He later denied his claim, saying that the media had misinterpreted his remarks.
Cho Seung Hui – Virginia Tech shooter who declared in his video “now I die like Jesus Christ”
Hong Xiuquan — self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ.
Laszlo Toth – Hungarian-born Australian who vandalised Michelangelo’s Pietà in 1972
Ahnsahnghong – South Korean man – worshipped by World Mission Society Church of God as the second coming Jesus
Your second coming Jesus is the last on the list with ideas stolen from the rest above.
Elijah: Jesus said make only disciples of ALL NATIONS.
Which means not many Jesus from nations coming whenever feel like and speaking in their respective language. LOL
Robert said :I am a brother of Jesus because I follow His will. Clear?
No Robert diciples of the Buddhist Ahnsahnghong and you cannot be the brothers or sisters but they are called monks and nuns.
You are still breast fed by your mother and growing up to be so stubborn spoilt brats! As long as the pacifier makes you feel happy you can carry on. But thanks anyway for the entertainment. I had great fun. I have never come across such clowny cults!
By: Jonah on May 24, 2008
at 2:48 pm
That’s quite a list Jonah. I would believe you on those list as it is really prophecies in the Bible that many false prophets and false christ will appear. That’s why we have the Bible so we could recognize who are the “wolves in sheeps clothing”.
Matthew 24:4-6 – Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ, and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Jonah, the list that you just put from your last comment is fulfilling these verses from Matthew, false christ claiming they are the christ just as Jesus prophecied. But there are prophecies that is written in the Bible so we could recognize the Second Coming Christ as it was prophecied that Christ will appear a Second time this time not to bear our sins but to bring the salvation to those who are waiting for Him (Hebrews 9:28): When?
So Jonah, let’s find out when through the Bible.
Matthew 24:30-33 – “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Here we can see that the Son of Man is coming in clouds meaning “coming in flesh” just as prophecied when He came the first time. It also said that learn from the lesson of the fig tree, “as soon as it’s twigs get tender and it’s leaves come out”.
Okay but we have to understand what the Fig tree represents through the Bible. Let’s take a look.
Luke 13:6-7 – Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
Why did Jesus compare Himself to a man who when to look for fruit on a fig tree planted in a vineyard?What is the meaning of this? It’s meaning is that Jesus preached the gospel to the Israelites for three years searching for the fruit of the gospel. Therefore, the fig tree represents for the country of Israel.
Isa 5:7 – The vineyard of the LORD Almighty is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah are the garden of his delight. And he looked for justice, but saw bloodshed; for righteousness, but heard cries of distress.
In the above verse we can understand that in the Bible the vineyard represents the country of Israel and the garden (the tree) represents the people of Israel. Let’s look at another biblical testimony concerning this.
Jer. 24:5 – They said, “Turn now, each of you, from your evil ways and your evil practices, and you can stay in the land the LORD gave to you and your fathers for ever and ever.
Through this verse God makes it apparent that figs represent Israel, since He compared the figs to the people of Israel once more.
Okay since now we know that the the fig tree represents Israel, we need to look at it’s history.
Luke 13:7 – So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
Okay so far here’s what each things in the parable represents:
Fig Tree – Israel
Jesus preached for 3 years
Then, Jesus told His disciples to cut down a fig that had not borne any fruit. Actually Jesus’ words at that time was a prophecy of what was going to happen to Israel. As a fulfillment to what Jesus had said, Israel which had rejected the gospel that Jesus preached was completely devastated by Roman soldiers in A.D. 70. After it’s collapse, the people were scattered all over the world as a stateless people for more than 1900 years.
After much time had passed, the fig tree that had been cut down and withered from the roots began to bloom once more. It’s twigs got tender and its leaves began to sprout. When did all this happen? The revival of the fig tree occurred in 1948. On May 14, 1948, Israel proclaimed her independence and recovered her sovereignty. The fig tree which seemed to have with no sign of revival actually resuscitated. Israel’s independence after such a long time of captivity marked the Second Coming of Jesus as prophesied. He has come again but with a new name as prophecied in Revelation.
Revelation 3:11-13 – I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Clearly, Jesus new name is Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit who reminded us the true teachings of Jesus and the entire Bible.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one we all have been waiting for. That is why the Church of God received Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, as the Savior.
Rom 11:26 – And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ”The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
According to the prophesy revealed through the fig tree, Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Jesus, came from Zion in 1948.
This is only one of the many prophecies for the Second Coming of Christ that Ahnsahnghong fulfilled. I want to see if anyone else who claim that they are the Second Coming Christ can show me through the Bible that they are who they say they are. Actually I’ll challenge them myself. If they can prove that they have fulfilled even at least all the prophecies that Ahnsahnghong fulfilled according to the Bible, then there’s gonna be a major analyzing of the Bible. If there’s at least one prophecy that some guy fulfilled and Ahnsahnghong didn’t according to the Bible, I’ll follow that guy but he has to still fulfill all the prophecies Ahnsahnghong fulfilled. Not even the Masonic Proctor and the Ruler can do it. All I can say is good luck, lol. Christ Ahnsahnghong, the name of the Holy Spirit.
By: Robert on May 24, 2008
at 7:42 pm
Well what do we have here, it’s Donnie’s questions again.
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Hi world mission church of god members!
Why no-one can answer these very simple and basic questions about ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
What is her name, how old is she, does she have families (children?, husband?) and how did she get inolved in this religion.
Thank you so much, and happy ascension day!
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Robert, why don’t you be a good lad and answer his questions.
By: Dark Angel on May 24, 2008
at 11:11 pm
I too have serious questions but seeing that Marcus and I have history, I’ll direct my questions towards him.
Plus, he seems a bit more knowledgable on their history compared to Robert and Elijah.
One person even said that the bible must be used to answer his questions:
posted by “believer”,
“To answer Donnie
We must use the bible to see who God, Mother Jerusalem and Ahnsahnghong is.
Without the Bible no one can tell you who God the mother, and 2nd Coming Christ is.
It’s not man’s word, but Gods= The Bible”
Using the bible to state someone’s birth date, are you serious?
Then Elijah continued to avoid answering Donnie’s questions by stating that her name is Mother Jerusalem,
“Dear donnie,
I am going to answer your questions.
Who is this ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
donnie, her name is Jerusalem Mother, God the Mother.”
Her BIRTH NAME, Elijah. Not her alias. Then he posted bible scripture after that so no, he did not answer the questions.
This was posted By: Elijah on May 15, 2008
at 6:27 pm, for anyone who wants to back track.
Then Poland told Donnie that he needs to stop asking questions about Mother Jerusalem.
So Donnie then replied to both Elijah and Poland. He explained how he should have answered his question.
”
Hi Elijah,
Thank you so much for your answer, to be honest, I am disapointed with your ‘answer’.
I was hoping you can answer the question straight such as this: South Korean president? Answer: Lee Myung-bak, he has 3 brothers and 3 sisters, born 19 December 1941.
Poland’s comment: you need to stop asking about Jerusalem Mother..
This really scares me and gives an indication of a cult group where members submit with no questions asked.
I have tried to stand with open mind and neutral position. I trully believe that everyone has good intentions here. I do too.
I’m really interested to hear everyone’s opinion about this.
I’m out..!”
This was posted By: donnie on May 16, 2008
at 8:35 am
Still, no one has done the impossible and answered his questions.
What is her REAL name, the name that she was born with?
I’m sure her parenst didn’t name the chick “Mother jerusalem”.
What year was she born? You all know the year Ahnsahnghong was born but that wasn’t too hard to figure out since the story goes that he was baptized in 1948 at age 30.
Was she married and did she have kids like AHnsahnghong?
Apparently Ahnsahnghong was married and had kids. He wasn’t married to MJ though.
I have my own list of questions but I will ask after someone is brave enough to answer Donnie’s. Using the bible did not answer them at all.
Why don’t you people be realistic. If the lady goes to the doctors, she’s not going to put “Mother Jerusalem” on the sign in sheet. Nor would her passport states “Mother Jerusalem”.
But wait, she doesn’t travel out of S.Korea. My mistake. She doesn’t go to the people, the people go to her.
By: Dark Angel on May 24, 2008
at 11:44 pm
Dark Angel said, “But wait, she doesn’t travel out of S.Korea. My mistake. She doesn’t go to the people, the people go to her.”
Do we need more proof that this is a cult. Jesus taught about serving and having serving heart. Clearly, MJ’s selfisness of having everyone travel to her is proof enough to me that she is not living the scriptures that would have come from her had she been God.
By: CoGinator on May 26, 2008
at 8:22 am
COGinator said “Do we need more proof that this is a cult. Jesus taught about serving and having serving heart. Clearly, MJ’s selfisness of having everyone travel to her is proof enough to me that she is not living the scriptures that would have come from her had she been God.”
COGinator, why are you judging Jerusalem Mother by her mere appearance? She is testified in the Bible and that’s what’s important. Then if she is not testified in the Bible then she is a cult. Your like the Jews and Pharisees 2000 years ago, judging Jesus as a mere carpenter and not looking what the Bible says about Jesus. I can’t believe you COGinator.
Then after this comment, COGinator is going to say “Am I suppose to vomit now or what”. Yeah, you always vomit because you can’t stand what the Bible really testifies. Your denying it COGinator.
Galatians 4:26 – But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Isaiah 62:6-7 – I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem; they will never be silent day or night. You who call on the LORD, give yourselves no rest, and give him no rest till HE ESTABLISHES JERUSALEM and MAKES HER THE PRAISE OF THE EARTH.
COGinator, Jerusalem Mother will be “praise of the Earth” according to the Bible. Don’t you see the word HER COGinator? So sad for you and keep vomitting till you get it our of your system.
By: Poland on May 26, 2008
at 6:29 pm
Poland,
“Isaiah 62:6-7 – I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem…”
So, Mother Jerusalem have walls with watchmen posted on it? Interesting.
Poland, why is it so hard to post Mother Jerusalem’s birth date? I mean, not knowing Jesus’ birth date is one thing but, when you are living in a time where information is available, then, there is no excuse.
I know the birth date of my grandmother, and she is in her mid 70’s. There is no “mystery” to that.
By: Dark Angel on May 26, 2008
at 9:21 pm
Genesis 1:26: “And God said, Let US make man in OUR image after our likeness.”
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The Church of God uses this verse in Genesis to rationalise the divinity of Mother Jerusalem.
According to the cult, in Genesis, God is speaking to a female incarnation of God (aka Mother Jerusalem). They therefore believe that God makes man in his image, and woman in the image of Mother.
Trinitarians and others claim that the Hebrew noun ‘Elohim’ (rendered ‘God’ in the first clause of Genesis 1:26) denotes more than one God Person (ie “3 in 1” or “2 in 1” or 2 separate entities). In support they point to the second clause of verse 26, “Let us make man in our image”, being plural.
It is true that in both English and Hebrew this second clause contains the plural subject ‘us’ and that this governs the plural verb ‘make’- But these are not governed by ‘Elohim’ (God) of the first clause. What is not realized, or otherwise mentioned in this issue is that in the first clause, “And God said”, the word ‘Elohim’ governs the singular Hebrew verb ‘’amer’, which is rendered ‘said’ in English. So linguistically there is no basis for claiming that ‘Elohim’ denotes, represents, or contains more than one God Person (entity).
It is also claimed that the Hebrew ‘Elohim’ is a uniplural or collective noun and that such nouns (e.g. the English noun ‘crowd’) often govern singular verbs. This claim contradicts leading Hebrew grammars, which claim that throughout the Old Testament and when referring to God, the Hebrew noun ‘Elohim’ behaves as a singular noun, and governs only singular verbs, singular adjectives and singular pronouns. And only when ‘elohim’ refers to a number of pagan gods or humans (e.g. judges), that it behaves as a plural noun; and then governs plural verbs, plural adjectives and plural pronouns. So grammatically ‘Elohim’ is never a collective (uniplural) noun. That in reference to the true God, the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is well illustrated in Genesis 1:29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun ‘I’.
Here are a selection of Hebrew grammars from which these claims may be further verified:
Gesenius’ Hebrew Grammar edited and enlarged by E. Kautzsch, 2nd English edition by A.E. Cowley, paragraph 124 (g); Weingreen’s Hebrew Grammar under ‘God’ in its English-Hebrew vocabulary; C.L Seow’s A Grammar for Biblical Hebrew, 1992 printing, the vocabulary on page 19; James D Martin’s Davidson’s Introductory Grammar, 27th edition, 1995 reprint, page 52.
So grammatically, too, all theologians and scholars agree that there is no justification for claiming that in Genesis 1:26 ‘God’ (Elohim) denotes more than one God Person. Indeed throughout the Old Testament, ‘Elohim’ always denotes just one God Person.
Let’s now examine the claim that in Genesis 1:26 ‘Elohim’ denotes more than one God Person from a biblical basis.
From the Hebrew for verse 27 it may be seen that the Hebrew noun ‘Elohim’ (God) again governs a singular Hebrew verb (‘created’). But even more importantly, ‘Elohim’ also governs the Hebrew singular pronouns ‘His’ and ‘He’. Note that verse 27 does not say that ‘they’ created Adam in ‘their’ image, but that ‘He’ created Adam in His image! So verse 27 declares that one God created Adam and that He did so in His image. Not two or more Gods but only one God created Adam.
Verse 27, through the two singular clauses, “So God created man in His own image” and “in the image of God created He him”, twice states that one God created Adam. From Genesis 41:32 it may be inferred that this repetition emphasizes certainty.
That only one God Person spoke in verse 26 and created Adam in verse 27, is further confirmed by verse 29. In verse 29 ‘God’ (Elohim) uses the first person singular personal pronoun “I”, in the phrase, “And God said, ‘Behold, I have given you every herb…’ “.
Had two or more God Persons created Adam, they might have said: “We have given you every herb”. Ignoring the necessities of language rules of grammar some still say that this “God” is a family of two and that as such only “one” of the two Gods actually did the hands on creating, but at the bequest of the other. Therefore, it is reasoned, the use of a singular pronoun simply reflects the overall view that there is still only “one” God, but with two distinct entities within the one (aka Mother Jerusalem and Ahnsahnghong).
The tragedy of this is the denial of the proper use of the language- and specifically here in Genesis, along with the assumption that everything else in scripture that does not lend itself to this premise must somehow bend and be forced into compliance with this premise. There is no grammatical basis that can be produced to support this premise, which nevertheless seems to flourish in the minds of the adherents to this tenet of which I was once one, too. Without scriptural basis, other than- that is the way it must be for this premise to exist, the very premise is left to be nothing more than conjecture.
If the premise is true, then the “proof” must come from elsewhere, as nothing in Genesis can provide this “proof.” Equivocation may be the most culpable in the creation of this tenet, and yet be the least recognized as such.
It has now been established through the rules of language that just one God Person spoke in Gen 1:26, and that this one God Person created Adam in His own image in verse 27 and that this one God Person then spoke to Adam using the singular pronoun “I” in verse 29.
So why does it say, “us” and “our”?
The Cohortative Mood of Genesis 1:26.
From Gesenius’ ‘Hebrew Grammar’ and from Owens’ ‘Analytical Key to the Old Testament’ with James D. Martin’s ‘Davidson’s Introductory Hebrew Grammar’ page 76, it may be seen that the Genesis 1:26 verbal phrase, “Let us make” is, in both Hebrew and English, the Cohortative or Voluntative mood.
This mood appears not understood by commentators to Genesis 1:26; and readers unfamiliar with the grammatical concept of the Cohortative Mood, are referred to the explanation given at the end of this paper. (Could this be due to preconceived notions in the minds of the translators, commentators, and the affected readers?)
Suffice to say that the Cohortative mood is a verbal mood for expressing a command from the 1st person (the speaker) to the 1st person singular or plural. It is a mood related to the Imperative mood, which is the more common command mood for expressing commands from the 1st person to the 2nd person singular or plural – as in Sit down!, or Present arms!.
In the Cohortative mood found in Genesis 1:26, the singular speaker, God, addresses Himself jointly with those present at the time. Therefore in Genesis 1:26 God, and those present with Him, jointly make up the plurality expressed by the pronoun ‘us’ in, “Let us make”.
In particular the plurality of ‘us’ may not be taken to infer plurality to the speaker God, or even to those God spoke to.
It has now been shown in several different ways that linguistically there is no justification for inferring from “And God said, Let us make…”, that the plurality of ‘us’ extends back to God. Rather the Cohortative mood demands that God, as the speaker issuing a command, is singular. This is also attested to by the singular Hebrew verb for ‘said’ (And God said) and the singular pronouns and singular verbs in subsequent verses, which refer back to God of Genesis 1:26.
This should help clarify past confusion resulting from ungrammatical and unbiblical claims that the Hebrew ‘Elohim’ of Genesis 1:26 is a uniplural or is a collective noun or in some other way points to there existing or not existing more than one God Person. In truth nothing may be concluded from Genesis 1:26 regarding the existence of multiple God Persons.
CONCLUSION:
The book of Genesis does not support the existence of Mother Jerusalem. Using verse 1:26 to suggest that “us” and “our” refers to Mother is a distortion of the truth and displays a complete lack of Biblical knowledge.
Cults favour simplistic explanations and simple minded doctrines because they are easier to teach. Accessible beliefs can be quickly and efficiently explained to the uneducated recruit, but upon close inspection these beliefs all disintegrate.
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End note – Explanation of Cohortative Verb Mood
The reader needs to be first familiar with the grammatical terms: 1st person, 2nd person and 3rd person. The 1st person refers to the speaker(s) (I, we). The 2nd person refers to the person(s) spoken to (you singular, you plural) by the 1st person. And the 3rd person refers to the person(s) spoken about (he, she, it, and they) by the 1st person to the 2nd person. As an example: I (1st person) tell you (2nd person.) that he (3rd person) is tall.
The 1st, 2nd and 3rd person may be singular (I, you, he) or plural (we, you, they). The 1st person can only speak to the 2nd person. In particular the 1st person can not speak to the 3rd person: but can only speak about the 3rd person to the 2nd person. This last point is important for understanding the Jussive command mood. The 1st person can speak to the 1st person singular, namely, when he speaks to himself. But when the 1st person speaks to the 1st person plural, he addresses himself and the one(s) with him. This last point is important for understanding the Cohortative mood.
There are three verbal moods for expressing commands or strongly held wishes or intentions. The Imperative mood is the most commonly-used of the three command moods. All three command moods are used by the 1st person (speaker); but he may address them: (a) to the 1st person by using the Cohortative mood; or (b) to the 2nd person by using the Imperative mood; and (c) to the 3rd person(s) by using the Jussive mood.
The Imperative mood is usually used by a superior to an subordinate; as in: Stand!, and Present arms! In the Jussive mood the 1st person gives a command for the 3rd person to the 2nd person; as in: Don’t let him go!, and Make him stay! Note that grammatically it is impossible for the 1st person to address directly the 3rd person; because the 3rd person is the one spoken about to the 2nd person.
In the Cohortative mood the 1st person commands the 1st person singular or plural. When the 1st person commands the 1st person singular, the command is to self, as in I shall guard. But when the 1st person commands the 1st person plural, the commands (1) himself and (2) the one(s) with him, as in Let us make…. . For this last case note in particular that the subject is singular. That is the plurality of the ones commanded (us) does not transfer backwards to the subject. This point is generally overlooked by commentators to Genesis 1:26, “Ánd God (singular) said, Let us (plural) make man in our image…”
Note that the English Jussive and Cohortative moods require auxiliary verbs (e.g. shall, make and let). Also that in neither the Imperative, nor the Jussive mood, nor the Cohortative mood a subject (speaker) is expressed. So these commands are usually brief, as in: Sit!, Don’t let him go!, and Let us make. The Subject is simply understood.
By: no_US_in_Genesis on May 27, 2008
at 9:01 am
Poland said, “She is testified in the Bible and that’s what’s important.”
I would strongly disagree that she is testified in the Bible. No need to site examples as I am familar with what the CoG teaches and I believe it to be wrong.
By: CoGinator on May 27, 2008
at 12:32 pm
Of course now I read no_US_in_Genesis posting, and you’ll see why I don’t believe it.
By: CoGinator on May 27, 2008
at 1:16 pm
Allow me to ask the cog members:
If “MJ” were truly a god, then, why does she need an interpreter? God Himself gave the gift of language to the Apostles, did He not?
Also: of you are truly following both 1st and 2nd testaments, then why are you not following the original SABBATH in it’s true form: Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday – along with the 400 or so Jewish Laws??????? Why is it none of the cog members will answer this????????
By: question everything on May 28, 2008
at 3:43 am
bet I will not be answered!
By: question everything on May 28, 2008
at 3:44 am
Which is a shame because they are two really good questions!!
By: CoGinator on May 28, 2008
at 6:51 am
http://ahnsahnghong.tinypurplegrapes.com/CSC
http://ahnsahnghong.tinypurplegrapes.com/CSC
The new site is online. Hopefully the COG doesn’t hack this one as well. We should have a private server with a bigger site up in a couple months.
Spread the news as much as possible. Feel free to visit the forums and discuss the COG’s doctrines at:
http://ahnsahnghong.proboards102.com/
All questions and interpretations welcomed.
By: Ted on May 28, 2008
at 6:57 am
Here’s a thought. What if Joo and mother are one and the same…kinda like Norman Bates and his mother in Psycho??
By: CoGinator on May 28, 2008
at 2:20 pm
Again, the Church of God haters are using the opinion of men to criticise the truths of the Bible. These guys are blind saying that there’s only one image of God as He created them. Clearly, there’s a male and female in the image of God.
Genesis 1:26-27 – 26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:26-27 (The Message) – 26-28 God spoke: “Let us make human beings in our image, make them
reflecting our nature
So they can be responsible for the fish in the sea,
the birds in the air, the cattle,
And, yes, Earth itself,
and every animal that moves on the face of Earth.”
God created human beings;
he created them godlike,
Reflecting God’s nature.
He created them male and female.
God blessed them:
“Prosper! Reproduce! Fill Earth! Take charge!
Be responsible for fish in the sea and birds in the air,
for every living thing that moves on the face of Earth.”
Genesis 1:26-27 (KJV) – 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:26-27 (NKJV) – 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Even in different versions of the Bible, it really testifies that God has a male and female image. I guess they fail again to prove that God has only one image.
Romans 5:14 – 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
Genesis 3:20 – 20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
Wow Eve would become the mother of all living and Adam is the pattern of the One to come which is Christ. So if God has a male and female image then He created Adam and Eve in God’s image, clearly this comes to the conclusion that God’s has a male and female image. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the male God and Jerusalem Mother is the female God.
By: Poland on May 28, 2008
at 5:33 pm
Poland,
Where does it reference a “female image” creating anything?
You refer to ahnsahnghong as “He”.
Then you refer to “mother jerusalem as “She”.
If both of them created separate images, wouldn’t it have said something similar to this, “HE created adam and SHE created eve”.
or
“THEY created adam and eve”.
In the bible, women are referenced as “she” and “her”.
example: Mary
Matt 1:21
And “SHE” (Mary) shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for “HE” (Jesus) shall save his people from their sins.
So if god “the father” created adam.
Where is this female god who created eve? The bible doesn’t reference “she” or “her”
Nothing saying, “then god created eve in “HER” image.
By: Dark Angel on May 28, 2008
at 7:02 pm
Also Poland,
If what you say is true, then, both ahnsahnghong and mother jerusalem are omniscient.
Which would also mean, that she knows when “the end” will be, even though the bible states that “only the father knows”.
Now, if she doesn’t know, then she is not omniscient and she is not a god. But, if she is indeed omniscient, then the bible is wrong when it states that “only the father knows” when “the end” will be.
Then it should state, “only the father AND the mother knows” when the end will be.
But no, it only says that he knows. HE..god “the father”.
How can two omniscient Beings withhold information from one another, that doesn’t make any sense.
By: Dark Angel on May 28, 2008
at 8:28 pm
Poland said, “These guys are blind saying that there’s only one image of God as He created them. Clearly, there’s a male and female in the image of God.”
Think for a minute, 99% of all Christians understand that there is just God, not a female image of God. “no_US_in_Genesis” clearly showed how the US was translated from the original bible text.
Just possibly, it is the CoG who is blindly misleading members to falsely believe in a male and female image. I know you want to feel like CoG is the one true church, but it’s looking like it’s not as accurate as you once thought it was.
By: CoGinator on May 28, 2008
at 8:40 pm
Clearly the Bible does not talk about a FEMALE god. Poland can you read? No Biblical scholar agrees with your simplistic and totally debunked explanation.
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Genesis 1:26: “And God said, Let US make man in OUR image after our likeness.”
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The Church of God uses this verse in Genesis to rationalise the divinity of Mother Jerusalem.
According to the cult, in Genesis, God is speaking to a female incarnation of God (aka Mother Jerusalem). They therefore believe that God makes man in his image, and woman in the image of Mother.
Trinitarians and others claim that the Hebrew noun ‘Elohim’ (rendered ‘God’ in the first clause of Genesis 1:26) denotes more than one God Person (ie “3 in 1” or “2 in 1” or 2 separate entities). In support they point to the second clause of verse 26, “Let us make man in our image”, being plural.
It is true that in both English and Hebrew this second clause contains the plural subject ‘us’ and that this governs the plural verb ‘make’- But these are not governed by ‘Elohim’ (God) of the first clause. What is not realized, or otherwise mentioned in this issue is that in the first clause, “And God said”, the word ‘Elohim’ governs the singular Hebrew verb ‘’amer’, which is rendered ‘said’ in English. So linguistically there is no basis for claiming that ‘Elohim’ denotes, represents, or contains more than one God Person (entity).
It is also claimed that the Hebrew ‘Elohim’ is a uniplural or collective noun and that such nouns (e.g. the English noun ‘crowd’) often govern singular verbs. This claim contradicts leading Hebrew grammars, which claim that throughout the Old Testament and when referring to God, the Hebrew noun ‘Elohim’ behaves as a singular noun, and governs only singular verbs, singular adjectives and singular pronouns. And only when ‘elohim’ refers to a number of pagan gods or humans (e.g. judges), that it behaves as a plural noun; and then governs plural verbs, plural adjectives and plural pronouns. So grammatically ‘Elohim’ is never a collective (uniplural) noun. That in reference to the true God, the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is well illustrated in Genesis 1:29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun ‘I’.
Here are a selection of Hebrew grammars from which these claims may be further verified:
Gesenius’ Hebrew Grammar edited and enlarged by E. Kautzsch, 2nd English edition by A.E. Cowley, paragraph 124 (g); Weingreen’s Hebrew Grammar under ‘God’ in its English-Hebrew vocabulary; C.L Seow’s A Grammar for Biblical Hebrew, 1992 printing, the vocabulary on page 19; James D Martin’s Davidson’s Introductory Grammar, 27th edition, 1995 reprint, page 52.
So grammatically, too, all theologians and scholars agree that there is no justification for claiming that in Genesis 1:26 ‘God’ (Elohim) denotes more than one God Person. Indeed throughout the Old Testament, ‘Elohim’ always denotes just one God Person.
Let’s now examine the claim that in Genesis 1:26 ‘Elohim’ denotes more than one God Person from a biblical basis.
From the Hebrew for verse 27 it may be seen that the Hebrew noun ‘Elohim’ (God) again governs a singular Hebrew verb (’created’). But even more importantly, ‘Elohim’ also governs the Hebrew singular pronouns ‘His’ and ‘He’. Note that verse 27 does not say that ‘they’ created Adam in ‘their’ image, but that ‘He’ created Adam in His image! So verse 27 declares that one God created Adam and that He did so in His image. Not two or more Gods but only one God created Adam.
Verse 27, through the two singular clauses, “So God created man in His own image” and “in the image of God created He him”, twice states that one God created Adam. From Genesis 41:32 it may be inferred that this repetition emphasizes certainty.
That only one God Person spoke in verse 26 and created Adam in verse 27, is further confirmed by verse 29. In verse 29 ‘God’ (Elohim) uses the first person singular personal pronoun “I”, in the phrase, “And God said, ‘Behold, I have given you every herb…’ “.
Had two or more God Persons created Adam, they might have said: “We have given you every herb”. Ignoring the necessities of language rules of grammar some still say that this “God” is a family of two and that as such only “one” of the two Gods actually did the hands on creating, but at the bequest of the other. Therefore, it is reasoned, the use of a singular pronoun simply reflects the overall view that there is still only “one” God, but with two distinct entities within the one (aka Mother Jerusalem and Ahnsahnghong).
The tragedy of this is the denial of the proper use of the language- and specifically here in Genesis, along with the assumption that everything else in scripture that does not lend itself to this premise must somehow bend and be forced into compliance with this premise. There is no grammatical basis that can be produced to support this premise, which nevertheless seems to flourish in the minds of the adherents to this tenet of which I was once one, too. Without scriptural basis, other than- that is the way it must be for this premise to exist, the very premise is left to be nothing more than conjecture.
If the premise is true, then the “proof” must come from elsewhere, as nothing in Genesis can provide this “proof.” Equivocation may be the most culpable in the creation of this tenet, and yet be the least recognized as such.
It has now been established through the rules of language that just one God Person spoke in Gen 1:26, and that this one God Person created Adam in His own image in verse 27 and that this one God Person then spoke to Adam using the singular pronoun “I” in verse 29.
So why does it say, “us” and “our”?
The Cohortative Mood of Genesis 1:26.
From Gesenius’ ‘Hebrew Grammar’ and from Owens’ ‘Analytical Key to the Old Testament’ with James D. Martin’s ‘Davidson’s Introductory Hebrew Grammar’ page 76, it may be seen that the Genesis 1:26 verbal phrase, “Let us make” is, in both Hebrew and English, the Cohortative or Voluntative mood.
This mood appears not understood by commentators to Genesis 1:26; and readers unfamiliar with the grammatical concept of the Cohortative Mood, are referred to the explanation given at the end of this paper. (Could this be due to preconceived notions in the minds of the translators, commentators, and the affected readers?)
Suffice to say that the Cohortative mood is a verbal mood for expressing a command from the 1st person (the speaker) to the 1st person singular or plural. It is a mood related to the Imperative mood, which is the more common command mood for expressing commands from the 1st person to the 2nd person singular or plural – as in Sit down!, or Present arms!.
In the Cohortative mood found in Genesis 1:26, the singular speaker, God, addresses Himself jointly with those present at the time. Therefore in Genesis 1:26 God, and those present with Him, jointly make up the plurality expressed by the pronoun ‘us’ in, “Let us make”.
In particular the plurality of ‘us’ may not be taken to infer plurality to the speaker God, or even to those God spoke to.
It has now been shown in several different ways that linguistically there is no justification for inferring from “And God said, Let us make…”, that the plurality of ‘us’ extends back to God. Rather the Cohortative mood demands that God, as the speaker issuing a command, is singular. This is also attested to by the singular Hebrew verb for ‘said’ (And God said) and the singular pronouns and singular verbs in subsequent verses, which refer back to God of Genesis 1:26.
This should help clarify past confusion resulting from ungrammatical and unbiblical claims that the Hebrew ‘Elohim’ of Genesis 1:26 is a uniplural or is a collective noun or in some other way points to there existing or not existing more than one God Person. In truth nothing may be concluded from Genesis 1:26 regarding the existence of multiple God Persons.
CONCLUSION:
The book of Genesis does not support the existence of Mother Jerusalem. Using verse 1:26 to suggest that “us” and “our” refers to Mother is a distortion of the truth and displays a complete lack of Biblical knowledge.
Cults favour simplistic explanations and simple minded doctrines because they are easier to teach. Accessible beliefs can be quickly and efficiently explained to the uneducated recruit, but upon close inspection these beliefs all disintegrate.
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End note – Explanation of Cohortative Verb Mood
The reader needs to be first familiar with the grammatical terms: 1st person, 2nd person and 3rd person. The 1st person refers to the speaker(s) (I, we). The 2nd person refers to the person(s) spoken to (you singular, you plural) by the 1st person. And the 3rd person refers to the person(s) spoken about (he, she, it, and they) by the 1st person to the 2nd person. As an example: I (1st person) tell you (2nd person.) that he (3rd person) is tall.
The 1st, 2nd and 3rd person may be singular (I, you, he) or plural (we, you, they). The 1st person can only speak to the 2nd person. In particular the 1st person can not speak to the 3rd person: but can only speak about the 3rd person to the 2nd person. This last point is important for understanding the Jussive command mood. The 1st person can speak to the 1st person singular, namely, when he speaks to himself. But when the 1st person speaks to the 1st person plural, he addresses himself and the one(s) with him. This last point is important for understanding the Cohortative mood.
There are three verbal moods for expressing commands or strongly held wishes or intentions. The Imperative mood is the most commonly-used of the three command moods. All three command moods are used by the 1st person (speaker); but he may address them: (a) to the 1st person by using the Cohortative mood; or (b) to the 2nd person by using the Imperative mood; and (c) to the 3rd person(s) by using the Jussive mood.
The Imperative mood is usually used by a superior to an subordinate; as in: Stand!, and Present arms! In the Jussive mood the 1st person gives a command for the 3rd person to the 2nd person; as in: Don’t let him go!, and Make him stay! Note that grammatically it is impossible for the 1st person to address directly the 3rd person; because the 3rd person is the one spoken about to the 2nd person.
In the Cohortative mood the 1st person commands the 1st person singular or plural. When the 1st person commands the 1st person singular, the command is to self, as in I shall guard. But when the 1st person commands the 1st person plural, the commands (1) himself and (2) the one(s) with him, as in Let us make…. . For this last case note in particular that the subject is singular. That is the plurality of the ones commanded (us) does not transfer backwards to the subject. This point is generally overlooked by commentators to Genesis 1:26, “Ánd God (singular) said, Let us (plural) make man in our image…”
Note that the English Jussive and Cohortative moods require auxiliary verbs (e.g. shall, make and let). Also that in neither the Imperative, nor the Jussive mood, nor the Cohortative mood a subject (speaker) is expressed. So these commands are usually brief, as in: Sit!, Don’t let him go!, and Let us make. The Subject is simply understood.
By: no_Us_in_Genesis on May 28, 2008
at 8:41 pm
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Visit this site for more details on this cult.
By: Ted on May 28, 2008
at 8:43 pm
Poland said: “Again, the Church of God haters are using the opinion of men to
criticise the truths of the Bible.”
LOL. To this I say:
“Again, the Church of God cultists are using against loving God with their minds when they deliberately ignore what scholarly research, study and reasoning have revealed about language”
I pity the CoG members. The early church fathers were so committed to loving God with their minds as well. Look at Paul, who explained the writings of the Scripture in such a clear manner. he was a very smart man! Look at people like Augustine! Why aren’t the CoG members doing the same? Hypocrites! They tell us to follow all of God’s Word and yet they fall short in this simple thing!!
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on May 28, 2008
at 8:57 pm
BTW no_us_in_Genesis, very good post you did :)
By: Jamie on May 28, 2008
at 8:58 pm
Church of God haters, how many image of man in this world? If God created man in His image, why there’s also a female image of man in this world? Clearly, there’s a male and female image of God. I guess for Church of God haters there’s only one image of God which is male. Your opinion guys are great but no match against the Bible.
Let us confirm that there is both a male and a female image of God, through the book of Genesis.
Gen. 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,”…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
Both males and females were created in the image of God, and thus it is clear that God has two images: a male image and a female image. When God said, “Let us make man in our image,” God used the word “us”-a plural term-instead of using “me.” We come to understand that not one God, but two Gods-a Father and a Mother-worked together during the Creation. Such plural terms are used to describe God in Genesis chapter 11, also.
Gen. 11:1-7 『…The LORD said…”Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”』
This verse, too, makes reference to Elohim God, the same God who created male and female (in Genesis chapter 1), saying, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” In Genesis chapter 11, God was responding to the arrogance of the people, who had collectively built the tower of Babel. Through this situation, God testifies that there exists a God the Mother as well as a God the Father by saying, “Let us go down…”
Keep trying. Opinion of men are not valid.
By: Poland on May 28, 2008
at 9:26 pm
“US” is not defined as male and female.
By: Dark Angel on May 28, 2008
at 9:34 pm
Actually, there is no indication of a female god, or should we say goddess.
By: Dark Angel on May 28, 2008
at 9:36 pm
Poland said “Keep trying. Opinion of men are not valid.”
Our sentiments exactly. Anh Sang Hong and Joo’s opinions are definitely not valid, and neither is anything CoG teaches.
Keep trying, but your ultimate end is FAIL.
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on May 28, 2008
at 10:10 pm
First of all, Man and woman are not tiny “carbon copies” of God, and the fact that there are men and women does not require that God have male and female features. Remember, being made in the image of God has nothing to do with physical characteristics.
If I were a painter, I could paint a picture of a woman in the image of myself. This does not require me to be female.
Jesus referred to God as the Father numerous times, and in other cases used masculine pronouns in reference to God. In the Gospels alone, Christ uses the term “Father” in direct reference to God nearly 160 times. Of particular interest is Christ’s statement in John 10:30. He says here, “I and my Father are one.” Obviously, Jesus Christ came in the form of a human man to die on the cross as payment for the sins of the world, and, like God the Father, was revealed to mankind in a male form. Scripture records numerous other instances where Christ utilized masculine nouns and pronouns in reference to God.
The New Testament Epistles (from Acts to Revelation) also contain nearly 900 verses where the word “theos” (a masculine Greek nounr) is used in direct reference to God. In most cases, this is rendered “God” in English versions.
In countless references to God in Scripture, there is clearly a consistent pattern of His being referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns. While God is not a man, but is a Spirit, He chose a masculine form in order to reveal Himself to mankind. Likewise, Jesus Christ, who is constantly referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns, took a male form while He walked on the earth. The prophets of the Old Testament and the Apostles of the New Testament refer to both God and Jesus Christ with masculine names and titles.
In Genesis, the COG interpret “us” as meaning a male and female God. But this is wrong as grammatically the word Elohim is never a collective (uniplural) noun. That in reference to the true God, the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is well illustrated in verse 29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun “I”.
The book of Genesis was written by the Jews. It’s the first book of the Bible of Judaism. The Jews believed in a SINGLE, God. They were monotheistic. When Christianity was formed, however, the words were “reinterpreted” to justify the idea of the Trinitarian (father, son, holy spirit). Essentially Christians turned “GOD” into “JESUS and GOD”.
Consider this verse…
“I am YHWH and there is no other; besides Me there are no gods; I have girded you (protected you) even though you did not know Me. So that they will know from the rising of the sun to the setting that there is none besides Me; I am YHWH and there is no other. The one who forms light and creates darkness, who makes peace and creates evil, I YHWH do all these things.” (Isa 45:5-7).
There is nothing “plural” or “male and female” about this. Rather “elohim” as all Jew and Hebrew scholars know masculine singular word, or what they call a “magestic plural” word. What this means is that it is plural in the sense of “i am god before all others”.
So there is singularity (i am one) amongst pluralism (over ALL OTHERS). That’s what scholars call “magestic pluralism”.
There are many pages on the net that discuss this.
http://www.wcg.org/lit/god/elohimp.htm
http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim1.htm
Also, you should note that Moses is also called elohim (Exodus 4:16; 7:1) and Jesus too, though I can’t remember the verse. But the scriptures concerning Moses show that elohim is applied to a singular person, Moses. It denotes the supremacy of the power given to Moses by God over the power of the Pharaoh and the gods of Pharaoh.
Now the COG wrongly believe the elohim denotes a plural female God, but even if that were true, you’d have to deal with the fact that whenever the female noun of “el” is used in reference to God, ANYWHERE in the BIBLE, it ALWAYS denotes the Pagan God or Idol, often to show that Israel is following a false God.
By: Ted on May 28, 2008
at 11:54 pm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=is+elohim+plural
Funny, when you type “elohim” and “plural” into google, you get a buncha pages explaining why the “GOD” in Genesis is singular and does NOT refer to a female God.
COG=FAIL
By: LOLAGE on May 29, 2008
at 7:25 am
American Heritage Dictionary – Cite This Source – Share This El·o·him Audio Help (ěl’ō-hēm’, -hĭm’, ə-lō’hĭm) Pronunciation Key
n. A name for God in the Hebrew Scriptures.
[Hebrew ‘ělōhîm, pl. of ‘ělōah, god; see l in Semitic roots.]
I guess the Americans are smarter than everyone else. Interesting.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 3:05 pm
This forum is pretty good. I can’t believe what I am seeing and reading here. I am actually a neutral guy and my point of view is that everything is based on their own belief. I’m actually amazed to the teaching of Church of God but somehow I see a lot of misinterpretation their doing. I love Science due to the fact that all it’s theories are proven and back up with evidence. I also love getting into the arguments of everyone and see what each side has.
Anyway, as you see above as I stated, I can see that a lot of you guys are actually believing only on what you guys want to believe. I should you guys that “Elohim” is the plural of “eloah” according to American Heritage Dictionary.
In the Bible the word for God in the Hebrew that is most often used is Elohim. It is a plural noun. Today it is popular to say it means plural of majesty. However the form of the word, Eloh-im, is plural. The word for God in the singular sense is El which is used most often in describing Gods characteristics or attributes. El Eyon, El Shaddai, In the Hebrew when Elohim is when used of the true God it is used singular, as a composite unity, when it is used of false gods it is used in the plural. (ex. you shall have no other Gods Elohim before me.”) Is God calling the false Gods majesties. God is not this nice to impostors who cause people to rebel and forsake him.
When looking at its usage it always refers to persons in the plural, there is no passage I’ve come across that it is used in the sense they claim.
For example in Gen 1:24-31 “Let us make man in OUR image is an appeal to self; Not to God and the angels. God is speaking of Himself and with Himself in the plural number. Some say this is a reference to the fullness of the divine power and attributes He possesses. This only part of it as God’s Divine Being is more than His powers and attributes for within contains persons. He would not be speaking to his attributes but to that which can respond.I sa 40:13-14 “Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or as His counselor has taught Him? With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him…”
The preface im (masculine in gender) at the end of a word makes the word into a plural form. For example the angels called seraph or cherub are in the singular but when they are Seraphim or Cherubim they mean more than one.
The word for heavens is shamayim Gen.1:2 Again in the plural. Could we ever interpret this as a plural of majesty.
We find from the scriptures all the attributes of God belong to Elohim, they also belong to the three persons or the male and female image of God according to Church of God. Elohim can also be used for one person of the godhead or all three since they all share in the commonality of that eternal essence of deity. Each person the Father, Son and Spirit are 100% deity so when they appear singularly there is no division of that deity since God is indivisible. The same rule would be for the word God theos, in the N.T. . Such as in Jn.1:1 the word was with God and was God as sharing in the same essence.
Even the ancient Rabbis recognized this word as related to more than one. In the Midrash Rabbah on Genesis Rabbi Samuel bar Nahman in the name of Rabbi Jonathan said, that at the time when Moses wrote the Torah, writing a portion of it daily, when he came to this verse which says “And Elohim said, let us make man in our image after our likeness,” Moses said, Master of the Universe why do you herewith an excuse to the sectarians (Who believe in the Triunity of God), God answered Moses, You write and whoever wants to err let him err.”In other words God had Moses write down what is correct, and we are to study to understand it. Selah
Elohim can be used as a general term for God in the O.T.. For example Samuel was called a Elohim when he came up from the dead (1 Sam.28:13-14) In Ex. 7:1 Moses was made an Elohim to Pharaoh. Jesus call the rulers in Israel Elohim, “Gods” ? (Jn. 10:34) After the Jews accuse Jesus of blasphemy because he being a man claimed to be God he answers “Is it not written in your law I said ‘You are Gods” citing Ps.82:6: ” This was addressed to the judges of Israel they were called Gods not because they were divine but because they represented God when they judged the people and were misrepresenting God. Jesus’ point,” is intended to show that the idea of a communication of the divine majesty to human nature was by no means foreign to the revelations of the O.T.” ( New Commentary on the whole Bible,Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown) So this title can be bestowed on those who are not by nature God. However they were never called Yahweh or I Am.
1 Cor. 8:5-6 states “For even if there are so-called Gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords) yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.” The Mormons use this scripture to promote their view of polytheism. Paul is speaking to the Corinthians who had a background of worshipping the Greek pagan gods and idols. He was writing in context before this about the idols they once worshipped. These were not God by nature even though they called them God. Look at how Paul clarifies this” but to us there is one God and includes both the Father and the Son.”
But the point is, people will believe only on their side to make them win an argument. I’m pretty sure that Church of God will take Elohim as plural while like some of you will use the results of those Biblical scholars as proof that Elohim is singular. It’s all about “I, ME, and MYSELF” who is right..
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 3:56 pm
Clark, don’t be like these Church of God haters who are blind and cannot see what the Bible really testifies. No matter how hard they try, they only find themselves fighting against God. They’re trying to change the fact the God has a male and female image. If that’s not true then why there’s a male and female image of man? Their using the opinion of men but it’s funny that they can’t change the fact the there’s a male and female image of God just as there’s a male and female image of man as Elohim created them.
By: Poland on May 29, 2008
at 4:22 pm
Many Christians who profess to know the bible, do not recognize the existence of Mother God. Even though they study the bible wholeheartedly, they don’t come to realize that the bible does not only testify about a Father God, but also about a Mother God. The God who created the heavens and the earth is not only male but also female. They are Elohim God, which in Hebrew means plural of the Supreme God.
Genesis 1:26-27 (New King James Version)
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
very clearly we can see that the Creator God spoke in plural form. God didn’t say “let me make man in my image”. God said Let Us make man in Our image”. Therefore, out of God’s image came out male and female. There is a male image of God and a female image of God. The male image of God all Christians call our Father . Then, how about the female image of God? She is our Mother.
Revelation 22:17-17- The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Revelation 21:9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Then who is the Heavenly Jerusalem?
Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
The Church 2000 years ago believed in Heavenly Mother!! Nowadays, nobody teaches who is the Heavenly Mother. It is very important for our salvation to know who the Bride is because She will give us Eternal Life!! She says come to all peoples of the world to receive the water of life! The reason World Mission Society Church of God believes in Heavenly Mother is because she is God!! Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong came according to prophecy and revealed the bride in these last days. As only the groom can reveal to you his bride, so our Father Ahnsahnghong, the bridegroom, let us know His bride- The New Jerusalem who came down out of heaven as prophesied prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband!!
Revelation 19:7-7Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. 8Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.) Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”
Receive the Spirit and the Bride!!
By: Poland on May 29, 2008
at 5:09 pm
Poland please. I am not blind and what your doing is proving to everyone based on your belief. Okay I’ll give it to you that there’s a male and female image of man so there’s also a male and female image of God. So are you happy now? I am going to create a website with my own THESIS “People only believe on things which makes them right”. If Science can give proofs and evidences then why everyone else not? Poland, have you actually witness with your own eyes that Elohim God exist? Or to the rest of you saying the God is only one image, have you guys actually saw God on how they look like? Is the Bible written literally by God or men? All of you are unbelievable. Can anyone here have an open mind and show me if the Bible is actually written by God or those Biblical scholars who thinks they know everything about it. Please, don’t make up some stories that your mommy and daddy tells you before you guys go to bed. Prove something with REAL FACTS, NOT ASSUMPTIONS.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 5:49 pm
Did everyone know that the King James version of the bible has been editing hundreds of years ago. During the witch hunts in europe, king james had the bible edited from “thou salt not suffer a thief to live” to “thou salt not suffer a witch to live”. The bible still contains that edited phrase. Fun fact.
The bible has been corrupted. read the RSV. they said the trinity is not supposed to be there, also the accenssion another coruption.
Look how many books catholics have? 73
Protestant 66
eastern ortodox 83….which one is real one?
Fun fact for all of you.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 5:55 pm
Poland,
this is taken from the bible in which you use and believe to be the perfect and absolute.
In the back of the KJV, the bible dictionary states that:
The New Jerusalem – The Principal city of God’s new world that is to come, it’s spiritual capital, beautiful and adorned; an expression of the church of those who are of the people of God.
That is the definition of New Jerusalem taken from the bible. So, are you saying that the defintion is wrong?
Are you saying that those who defined this were not told the defintion by God himself or inspired by God?
I’m just curious. Because, if it’s wrong, then, there’s a big problem with it being called “absolute” and “perfect”.
How can one part be of men and the other be of God. If the defintion is wrong, that doesn’t sound like a perfect book to me.
By: Dark Angel on May 29, 2008
at 7:08 pm
I guess Dark Angel believe that the Bible is written by men, not by God. Thank you Dark Angel. You and Poland are both blind.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 7:21 pm
Clark,
That was a question for Poland, not you. What I was trying to convey, is that anything beyond the defintion the bible gives, would be considered interpretations or as he might refer to as “the will of men”.
It’s weird that you felt as though you had to defend yourself when Poland assumed that you were “spiritually blind”, then you turn around and label both Poland and I, “blind”.
Actually it’s not weird, it’s funny.
By: Dark Angel on May 29, 2008
at 7:45 pm
Aha Dark Angel. Let’s say both of you are making your own opinion about what the Bible testifies, making it fit both of your doctrines. Dark Angel, your just as blind as Poland. Can you show me that God literally wrote the Bible Himself and not what you believe that the Bible scholars told you. Thank you for not believing their fairy tale stories.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 7:51 pm
I don’t have a “doctrine”, Clark.
By: Dark Angel on May 29, 2008
at 8:11 pm
You don’t have a so called “doctrine” but you believe what the Biblical scholars tell you. So what that makes you Dark Angel, a kid believing in some of their fairy tales stories? Ohh men this is funny. Why you guys argue when both of you are following the same cults that the Bible tells you in different branch? One of you is in the Army while the other is in the Air Force but all the same cult.
By the way, the Bible creates war. This is an example why the world can’t have peace. Because there’s people like Dark Angel and Poland arguing as blindmen in the same darkness. I guess nobody can answer my question. Is the Bible written by God literally or by men with their own opinions? Please somebody answer it by intelligent men like you guys. Thank you.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 8:28 pm
Clark, you said,
“I am actually a neutral guy and my point of view is that everything is based on their own belief. I’m actually amazed to the teaching of Church of God but somehow I see a lot of misinterpretation their doing.”
Exactly what “misinterpretations” do you see?
Then, you also said,
“But the point is, people will believe only on their side to make them win an argument.”
So Clark, what makes you any different from me or anyone else if you are here trying to prove your side or point of view is correct?
Your intensions are to get everyone to agree with your point of view, which is no different than what Poland and I are doing. Because, when all is said and done, you’re going to believe what you want, just like everyone else in the world.
As you have stated here,
“It’s all about “I, ME, and MYSELF” who is right..”
Alot of things create wars and division, Clark.
You said, “Is the Bible written by God literally or by men with their own opinions?”
I will give you my answer and my answer is, I don’t know. Perhaps you can tell me if it is or is not with evidence on your claim?
By: Dark Angel on May 29, 2008
at 9:15 pm
Also Clark,
If you haven’t done so already, I think that it will do you some good for you to read through the blog from the very beginning because it seems as though you have entered into a discussion without understanding how it started, which leads to assumptions and you speaking out of ignorance.
Because if you had read from the beginning, you wouldn’t have been asking me those questions.
Thanks for the chat.
By: Dark Angel on May 29, 2008
at 9:30 pm
Dark Angel said he doesn’t know who wrote the Bible when he believe what the Bible scholars told him. This is a twisted answer.
Unfortunately Dark Angel, you believe on something that you don’t actually know. How sad. Church of God members, can anyone of you answer my question? You guys have the truth so maybe you guys can tell me if God literally wrote the Bible or just a bunch of mere men. Let me guess, you guys are going to quote something from the Bible which is “written by men”. So is that really from God that all of you profess?
Let me show Dark Angel a Bible scholar example whom he believe that “knows the Bible”.
Frederick Fyvie Bruce (12 October 1910 – 11 September 1990) was a Bible scholar, and one of the founders of the modern evangelical understanding of the Bible. His work New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? is considered a classic in the discipline of Christian apologetics.
He was born in Elgin, Moray in Scotland and was educated at the University of Aberdeen, Cambridge University and the University of Vienna. After teaching Greek for several years first at the University of Edinburgh and then at the University of Leeds he became head of the Department of Biblical History and Literature at the University of Sheffield in 1947. In 1959 he moved to the University of Manchester where he became professor of Biblical Criticism and Exegesis. In his career he wrote some thirty-three books and served as editor of The Evangelical Quarterly and the Palestine Exploration Quarterly. He retired from teaching in 1978.
Bruce was a distinguished scholar on the life and ministry of Paul the Apostle, and wrote several studies the best known of which is Paul: Apostle of the Free Spirit. He also wrote commentaries on several biblical books including Romans, Acts of the Apostles, 1 & 2 Corinthians, and the Epistle to the Hebrews.
Bruce was a dedicated member of the Open Plymouth Brethren[1]. However he did not affirm the dispensationalism[2] and pretribulationism[3] usually associated with that movement.
Most of his works were scholarly, but he also penned several mainstream works on the Bible that were quite popular. He viewed the New Testament as historically reliable and that the truth claims of Christianity hinged on its being so. To Bruce this did not mean that the Bible was always precise, and this lack of precision could lead to considerable confusion. However, he believed that the passages that were still open to debate were ones that had no substantial bearing on Christian theology and thinking.
He was honoured with two scholarly works by his colleagues and former students, one to mark his sixtieth and the other to mark his seventieth birthday. He was elected a Fellow of the British Academy, and served as President of the Society for Old Testament Study, and also as President of the Society for New Testament Study. He is one of a handful of scholars thus recognised by his peers in both fields.
Do you believe this man Dark Angel? Maybe? Please let me know.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 9:45 pm
Clark,
What I believe is besides the point of this blog. You are really taking the focus away from what is really being discussed.
You are really contradicting yourself by stating, “Prove something with REAL FACTS, NOT ASSUMPTIONS.”
Well Clark, you are making assuptions about me without facts or proof by making comments like this:
“Dark Angel said he doesn’t know who wrote the Bible when he believe what the Bible scholars told him. This is a twisted answer.”
I will not entertain your questions any longer because, it has nothing to do with the topic.
Take care, Clark.
By: Dark Angel on May 29, 2008
at 9:59 pm
Clark, I tend to agree with Dark Angel in the fact that it does appear that you have your own understanding and belief that you would like us to understand and agree with. Which is fine! I guess I’d like to know in full disclosure where you are comming from and what your beliefs are because I’m having difficulty in understanding all you have written in it’s full context.
For some of us here, like myself, I don’t have my own agenda that I’m trying to push to everyone else to believe, although, in trying to understand the bible and what the true intentions and purpose of it, is my ultimate goal. Along the way of that I will learn aspects and tend to ride those beliefs until proven, or shown another way that makes more sense.
In the case of the CoG, while I understand how they derive at thier conclusions, further understanding and investigating of the bible will strongly disproves thier beliefs that differ from mainstream Christianity. Since they operate as a cult in the purest form, and seeing that I have a close friend that has really changed for the worse since aligning with this organization. I do have the intention and desire to prove thier doctrine is false, although if proven otherwise, I would be humble enough to admit to my friend and follow too. Thus far, the CoG has come far from finding any truths that hold validity…and the mainstream understanding of Christianity is so far the most logical in it’s understanding of the bible.
To answer your question: “Is the Bible written by God literally or by men with their own opinions?”
My personal belief (aka what I think and not fact) is that Man has written the bible inspired by God, and while it’s the best thing out there, it’s not a perfect document…especially when you factor in the different translations and versions. However, I do believe it’s what God has intended to help guide us…we just need to use a little common sense and have some humility in knowing we could be missing the mark.
In believing God is our father, fair and loving, I tend to sway towards following the intention of the bible. Whenever I wonder what God ultimately wants for us, I put it in the perspective of a Father… strict yet flexible, loving and fair, lets us experience life on our own. However following His way will always prove to be the right way, but is there to help us when we need and ask for it…
By: CoGinator on May 29, 2008
at 10:01 pm
Clark probably hasn’t and family in the cog and therefore doesn’t have a “stake” in this discussion.
BTW: I KNEW MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE AVOIDED!!!!
By: question everything on May 29, 2008
at 10:28 pm
I knew my questions would not be answered…..
By: question everything on May 29, 2008
at 10:36 pm
Poland you’re just repeating yourself.
You said: “Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
First of all, Man and Woman are not tiny “carbon copies” of God, and the fact that there are men and women does not require that God have male or female features. Being made in the image of God has nothing to do with physical characteristics.
For example, if I were a painter, I could paint a picture of a woman in the image of myself. This does not require me to be female.
Jesus referred to God as the Father numerous times, and in other cases used masculine pronouns in reference to God. In the Gospels alone, Christ uses the term “Father” in direct reference to God nearly 160 times. Of particular interest is Christ’s statement in John 10:30. He says here, “I and my Father are one.”
Scripture records numerous other instances where Christ utilized masculine nouns and pronouns in reference to God.
The New Testament Epistles (from Acts to Revelation) also contain nearly 900 verses where the word “theos” (a masculine Greek noun) is used in direct reference to God. In most cases, this is rendered “God” in English versions.
In countless references to God in Scripture, there is clearly a consistent pattern of His being referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns. While God is not a man, but is a Spirit, He chose a masculine form in order to reveal Himself to mankind. Likewise, Jesus Christ, who is constantly referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns, took a male form while He walked on the earth. The prophets of the Old Testament and the Apostles of the New Testament refer to both God and Jesus Christ with masculine names and titles.
In Genesis, the COG interpret “us” as meaning a male and female God. But this is wrong as grammatically the word Elohim is never a collective (uniplural) noun. That in reference to the true God, the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is well illustrated in verse 29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun “I”.
More importantly, the book of Genesis was written by the Jews. It’s the first book of the Bible of Judaism. The Jews believed in a SINGLE, God. They were monotheistic. When Christianity was formed, however, the words were “reinterpreted” to justify the idea of the Trinitarian (father, son, holy spirit). Essentially Christians turned “GOD” into “JESUS and GOD”. Now the COG have hijacked this misunderstanding and further twisted it. No longer does “us” mean “father son and holy spirit”. Now means “mother and father”.
But consider this verse…
“I am YHWH and there is no other; besides Me there are no gods; I have girded you (protected you) even though you did not know Me. So that they will know from the rising of the sun to the setting that there is none besides Me; I am YHWH and there is no other. The one who forms light and creates darkness, who makes peace and creates evil, I YHWH do all these things.” (Isa 45:5-7).
There is nothing “plural” or “male and female” about this. Rather “elohim” as all Jew and Hebrew scholars know, is a masculine singular word, or what they call a “magestic plural” word. What this means is that it is plural in the sense of “i am god before all others”.
So this shows singularity (i am one) amongst pluralism (over ALL OTHERS). That’s what scholars call “magestic pluralism”.
There are many pages on the net that discuss this. Here are few:
http://www.wcg.org/lit/god/elohimp.htm
http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim1.htm
But you should do your own research and study this further. Study the issue from all angles. Also, you should note that Moses is also called elohim throughout the Bible (Exodus 4:16; 7:1). Jesus likewise, though I can’t remember the verses. But the scriptures concerning Moses show that elohim is applied to a singular person. It denotes the supremacy of the power given to Moses by God over the power of the Pharaoh and the gods of Pharaoh.
Now the COG wrongly believe the elohim denotes a plural female God, but even if that were true, you’d have to deal with the fact that whenever the female noun is used ANYWHERE in the BIBLE, it ALWAYS denotes a Pagan God or Idol, often to show that Israel is following a false God. So no matter how the COG approach the argument, they lose. If the Bible did intend to speak of a female God (which it doesn’t!), then she’s clearly a pagan idol.
There are four ways to look at “us”:
1. The original Jewish scripture is corrupted. IE- the Jews believe in 1 God. Christians corrupt the meaning to justify the existence of Jesus (Trinitarian beliefs)
2. “Us” refers to the father, son and holy spirit.
3. “Us”, as some modern Jews believe, refers to Jesus addressing the Holy Council of Angels. IE-“We in heaven shall make man in our holy image”.
4. It refers to two Korean lovers.
5. Elohim is gramatically correct and refers to the Hebrew god in the singular. It is as if I wrote: “I said, “We should go to the shops today.”
The fact that “we” is the subject of my quoted speech does not make me plural.
By: Ted on May 29, 2008
at 10:47 pm
Poland you’re just repeating yourself.
You said: “Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
First of all, Man and Woman are not tiny “carbon copies” of God, and the fact that there are men and women does not require that God have male or female features. Being made in the image of God has nothing to do with physical characteristics.
For example, if I were a painter, I could paint a picture of a woman in the image of myself. This does not require me to be female.
Jesus referred to God as the Father numerous times, and in other cases used masculine pronouns in reference to God. In the Gospels alone, Christ uses the term “Father” in direct reference to God nearly 160 times. Of particular interest is Christ’s statement in John 10:30. He says here, “I and my Father are one.”
Scripture records numerous other instances where Christ utilized masculine nouns and pronouns in reference to God.
The New Testament Epistles (from Acts to Revelation) also contain nearly 900 verses where the word “theos” (a masculine Greek noun) is used in direct reference to God. In most cases, this is rendered “God” in English versions.
In countless references to God in Scripture, there is clearly a consistent pattern of His being referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns. While God is not a man, but is a Spirit, He chose a masculine form in order to reveal Himself to mankind. Likewise, Jesus Christ, who is constantly referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns, took a male form while He walked on the earth. The prophets of the Old Testament and the Apostles of the New Testament refer to both God and Jesus Christ with masculine names and titles.
In Genesis, the COG interpret “us” as meaning a male and female God. But this is wrong as grammatically the word Elohim is never a collective (uniplural) noun. That in reference to the true God, the noun ‘Elohim’ is singular, is well illustrated in verse 29, where this noun governs the singular pronoun “I”.
More importantly, the book of Genesis was written by the Jews. It’s the first book of the Bible of Judaism. The Jews believed in a SINGLE, God. They were monotheistic. When Christianity was formed, however, the words were “reinterpreted” to justify the idea of the Trinitarian (father, son, holy spirit). Essentially Christians turned “GOD” into “JESUS and GOD”. Now the COG have hijacked this misunderstanding and further twisted it. No longer does “us” mean “father son and holy spirit”. Now means “mother and father”.
But consider this verse…
“I am YHWH and there is no other; besides Me there are no gods; I have girded you (protected you) even though you did not know Me. So that they will know from the rising of the sun to the setting that there is none besides Me; I am YHWH and there is no other. The one who forms light and creates darkness, who makes peace and creates evil, I YHWH do all these things.” (Isa 45:5-7).
There is nothing “plural” or “male and female” about this. Rather “elohim” as all Jew and Hebrew scholars know, is a masculine singular word, or what they call a “magestic plural” word. What this means is that it is plural in the sense of “i am god before all others”.
So this shows singularity (i am one) amongst pluralism (over ALL OTHERS). That’s what scholars call “magestic pluralism”.
Also, you should note that Moses is also called elohim throughout the Bible (Exodus 4:16; 7:1). Jesus likewise, though I can’t remember the verses. But the scriptures concerning Moses show that elohim is applied to a singular person. It denotes the supremacy of the power given to Moses by God over the power of the Pharaoh and the gods of Pharaoh.
Now the COG wrongly believe the elohim denotes a plural female God, but even if that were true, you’d have to deal with the fact that whenever the female noun is used ANYWHERE in the BIBLE, it ALWAYS denotes a Pagan God or Idol, often to show that Israel is following a false God. So no matter how the COG approach the argument, they lose. If the Bible did intend to speak of a female God (which it doesn’t!), then she’s clearly a pagan idol.
There are four ways to look at “us”:
1. The original Jewish scripture is corrupted. IE- the Jews believe in 1 God. Christians corrupt the meaning to justify the existence of Jesus (Trinitarian beliefs)
2. “Us” refers to the father, son and holy spirit.
3. “Us”, as some modern Jews believe, refers to Jesus addressing the Holy Council of Angels. IE-“We in heaven shall make man in our holy image”.
4. It refers to two Korean lovers.
5. Elohim is gramatically correct and refers to the Hebrew god in the singular. It is as if I wrote: “I said, “We should go to the shops today.”
The fact that “we” is the subject of my quoted speech does not make me plural.
By: Ted on May 29, 2008
at 10:49 pm
COGinator, I understand your point of view but as far as defining that men who are inspired by God wrote the Bible is not enough proof. Now I’ve talked to other ignorants that Jesus who is the Son of God wrote the Bible, then how can you prove the Old Testament is written by God. Even in the Bible, God never came in flesh in the Old Testament. I could write a book and be inspired by someone but I am a man. So if these Bible scholars think they can decide how the Bible is gonna be written, then it’s pretty much their own opinion based on what they see and not from God. But we have to look at what really need in our daily lives and see how we can make our world better instead of fighting on who is right when it comes to the Bible that is clearly written by men.
By: Clark on May 29, 2008
at 11:09 pm
Ted said “First of all, Man and Woman are not tiny “carbon copies” of God, and the fact that there are men and women does not require that God have male or female features. Being made in the image of God has nothing to do with physical characteristics.
For example, if I were a painter, I could paint a picture of a woman in the image of myself. This does not require me to be female.”
Ted that’s only your own opinion. Your assuming that God is only in male image when there’s clearly a male and female man in this world. If God clearly said to create man in their image, then why there’s a male and female man? Ted, I didn’t assume this because we are living here on Earth with male and female image of man. I guess you might want to delete this verse.
Hebrews 8:5 – They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”
Ted in a family there’s a Father, Mother, Brothers and Sisters.
John 14:1-4 – “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”
Galatians 4:26-31 – But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written:
“Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Ted do you understand these? I hope so. We can only be “children of Jerusalem Mother” if we follow and believe her.
By: Poland on May 29, 2008
at 11:24 pm
Below are some quotes Ive collected from various scholars concerning the usage of Elohim as a plural intensive, or as some prefer, “plural of majesty” (a pluralis excellentice) or “plentitude of might”. As you see it does not refer to a plural god, either in the Trinitarian sense, or a sexual sense (male/female).
Alose note that when the female noun is used elsewhere in the Bible, it always refers to a Pagan God or false idol.
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‘elohiym el-o-heem’ – plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:–angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty. — A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Hebrew Bible, With Their Renderings in the Authorized English Version, by James Strong, S.T.D., LL. D.
“Elohim is a plural form which is often used in Hebrew to denote magesty of might” (Hertz, The Pentateuch and Haftorahs).
“The form of the word, Elohim, is plural. The Hebrews pluralized nouns to express greatness or majesty” (Flanders, Cresson; Introduction to the Bible).
“Elohim is the plural of Eloah (in Arabic Allah ); it is often used in the short form EL (a word signifying strength , as in EL-SHADDAI, God Almighty, the name by which God was specially known to the patriarchs. (Genesis 17:1; 28:3; Exodus 6:3) The etymology is uncertain, but it is generally agreed that the primary idea is that of strength, power of effect, and that it properly describes God in that character in which he is exhibited to all men in his works, as the creator, sustainer and supreme governor of the world. The plural form of Elohim has given rise to much discussion. The fanciful idea that it referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God. Jehovah denotes specifically the one true God, whose people the Jews were, and who made them the guardians of his truth.” — Smith’s Bible Dictionary
“‘Elohim: this mac. Hebr. noun is pl. in form but it has both sing. and pl. uses. In a pl. sense it refers to rulers or judges with divine connections (Ex. 21:60; pagan gods (Ex.18:11; Ps. 86:8); and probably angels (Ps. 8:5; 97;7). In both of the passages where ‘angels’ is the apparent meaning it is so translated in the Sept. On the former see Hebrews 2:7. In the sing. sense it is used of a god or a goddess (1 Sam. 5:7; 2 Kgs. 18:34); a man in a position like a god (Ex. 7:1); God (Deut. 7:9; Ezra 1:3; Is. 45:18 and many other OT passages). With the latter meaning it occurs with several modifiers such as righteous (Ps. 7:90), living (1 Sam. 17:26), holy (Josh. 24:19), and true (2 Chr. 15:3). It usually takes a sing. verb so no implication of any plurality in the divine nature can be inferred from the fact the word is plural.” — *Lexical Aids to the Old Testament*, as appears in the Appendix of Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible, Executive Editor, Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D., page 1598
God created. The Hebrew noun Elohim is plural but the verb is singular, a normal usage in the OT when reference is to the one true God. This use of the plural expresses intensification rather than number and has been called the plural of majesty, or of potentiality. — New International Version Study Bible, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1985, p. 6.
This word [elohim], which is generally viewed as the plural of eloah [Strong’s #433], is found far more frequently in Scripture than either el or eloah for the true God. The plural ending is usually described as a plural of majesty and not intended as a true plural when used of God. This is seen in the fact that the noun elohim is consistently used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular. It is used to differentialte God from Pagan Idols. — Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, Volume 1 (edited by R. Laird Harris, Gleason L. Archer Jr., and Bruce K. Waltke, Chicago: Moody Press, 1980, page 44):
Elohim is the common name for God. It is a plural form, but “The usage of the language gives no support to the supposition that we have in the plural form Elohim, applied to the God of Israel, the remains of an early polytheism, or at least a combination with the higher spiritual beings” (Kautzsch). Grammarians call it a plural of majesty or rank, or of abstraction, or of magnitude (Gesenius, Grammatik, 27th ed., nn. 124 g, 132 h). The Ethiopic plural amlak has become a proper name of God. Hoffmann has pointed out an analogous plural elim in the Phoenician inscriptions (Ueber einige phon. Inschr., 1889, p. 17 sqq.), and Barton has shown that in the tablets from El-Amarna the plural form ilani replaces the singular more than forty times (Proceedings of the American Oriental Society, 21-23 April, 1892, pp. cxcvi-cxcix)…. If we have recourse to the use of the word Elohim in the study of its meaning, we find that in its proper sense it denotes either the true God or false gods, and metaphorically it is applied to judges, angels, and kings; and even accompanies other nouns, giving them a superlative meaning. — New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia.
It (Elohim,) is derived from an Arabic word, which signifies to reverence, to honor, to worship. Hence, it comes to pass that it is frequently applied to kings, magistrates, judges, and others to whom reverence is shown, and who are regarded as the representatives of the Deity upon earth. Psalm 82:6. Exo.. 7:1…The plural of this word, Elohim, though it denotes but one subject, is appropriately used to designate Jehovah by way of eminence. In fact, many theologians have thought they perceived an allusion to the doctrine of the Trinity, though they have no sufficient ground for supposing that this doctrine was known at so early a period. And without resorting to this supposition, the application of this plural name to a singular subject may be explained from an idiom of the ancient oriental and some other languages, by which anything great or eminent was expressed in the plural number, (pluralis dignitatis, or majestaticus.) Accordingly, Eloha, (the singular,) augustus, [majestic,] may be considered as the positive degree, of which Elohim, (the plural,) augustissimus, [most majestic,] is the superlative. — Knapp’s Theology, page 93
There are two theories as to why the word [elohim] is plural: In one view, predominant among anthropomorphic monotheists, the word is plural becaue of the common Hebrew practice of expressing extension, magnitude and dignity by pluralizing the form of words. In another view, more common among secular historians and polytheists, is that the word’s plurality is reflective of early Hebrew polytheism. — “Elohim”, Wikipedia
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Clarke, regarding your points, there are only 3 ways of looking at this:
1. The Bible is flawless and is exactly as God wants it.
2. The Bible is inspired by God and written by man. But man is imperfect, thus the Bible is imperfect.
3. The Bible is simply a corrupt text written by man, and has no holy basis.
In each case, the knowledge of Biblical scholars is vital. It is not simply “their own opinion”. The Bible is a histrical document which needs to be analysed and understood in the context of the language, customs and time it was written.
Or are you saying that experts, people who study history, language, semiotics and religion have no right to study the Bible? Are you saying that their opinion is flawed and not of God?
I would say their opinions are objective and logical. They have no religious bias and are simply out to uncover truth. The meaning of the word “elohim” is a simple truth. A truth based on customs, language and historical fact.
Which is more likely: that “elohim” suddenly now means “male and female” or that the Hebrew writers used it exactly as they’ve used it since 1450 BC?
By: Ted on May 29, 2008
at 11:25 pm
“Ted that’s only your own opinion. Your assuming that God is only in male image when there’s clearly a male and female man in this world. If God clearly said to create man in their image, then why there’s a male and female man? Ted, I didn’t assume this because we are living here on Earth with male and female image of man. I guess you might want to delete this verse.”
But you’re ignoring the actual Hebrew text in which the verse was written. Gramatically, it’s a masculine word which doesn’t denote pluralism. I’ve already shown you the only 4 ways in which the verse can be interpreted.
Secondly, saying that something is the “image” of something else doesn’t mean that there’s a male and female god. That’s just wishful thinking.
You’re saying that because God made man in his image, that there must be a female God because there are females on earth? That’s all very silly.
Ignoring that there is no “us” in genesis, it just lacks common sense. There are male and female animals, did god create them out of holy images too?
Poland said: “Hebrews 8:5 – They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”
This verse you’ve quoted has nothing to do with this discussion. You don’t even want to get me started on “shadow concepts”. Do you know how many New Age cults use these silly justifications?
Poland said: “Ted in a family there’s a Father, Mother, Brothers and Sisters.”
And Uncles and Aunts and grandparents and grandfathers and nieces and nephews and cousins and second counins and mother in laws and father in laws….does God have an “image” of all these folk?
The COG’s doctrines are all highly simplistic.
Poland said: “John 14:1-4 – “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”
This verse has nothing to do with this discussion.
Poland said: “Galatians 4:26-31 – But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: “Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.”
Oh boy. How long have you been with the COG? They have you fully indoctrinated. I used to teach young recruits these very same beliefs.
Jeremiah 7:18 warns us about female Gods and Queens in heaven.
“The children gather wood and the father kindles the fire, and the women knead their dough to make cakes to the Queen Of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods that they may provoke me to anger.”- Jeremiah 7:18
Mother Jerusalem is a pagan goddess and devil. No I’m just joking, she’s simply a greedy con artist.
The COG like to use Galations to “prove mother”, but that’s completely wrong. Paul’s argument in Galatians resonates, not with the Genesis narrative, but with Isaiah’s transformation of its themes of seed and inheritance.
By using Isa 54:1 to sound the note of barrenness in Gal 4:27, Paul is figuratively evoking echoes of Isaiah’s proclamation concerning the seed and the inheritance.
Isaiah’s interpretation of the identify of Abraham’s seed and the inheritance as related to the Jews of his time must be understood in the NEGATIVE light in which Isaiah introduces his prophecy.
Isaiah prophesies AGAINST Jerusalem. The people of Jerusalem are called “an evil seed” in Isa 1:4 because they have “forsaken the Lord and provoked the Holy One of Israel.”
As Isaiah understands it, the unfaithfulness of the people has invoked the curses of the covenant. For them the covenant has become a covenant of death and the people who expect blessing hope in a lie (Isa 28:14-15). Isaiah declares that “the faithful city of Jerusalem has become a harlot” (Isa 1:21).
But in the midst of such scorching condemnation, Isaiah announces to Jerusalem that though judged for her sin, in the future she shall be called city of righteousness. In the Greek text of Isa 1:26, but not in the Hebrew, a future Jerusalem is identified who is a mother. This Greek text echoes in Gal 4:26, when Paul refers to “Jerusalem, our mother.”
Now within Isaiah’s proclamation there are two images of a personified female Jerusalem—one a barren and rejected woman, the other a faithful mother. But this personification is in reference to the woman Sarah. Isaiah reminds Israel that just as Yahweh intervened to transform Sarah from a barren woman as good as dead to a fruitful mother of many children, so he will transform a Jerusalem destroyed by sin into a city with a thriving population of righteous seed.
Isaiah’s proclamation draws a continuity between Jerusalem in exile and Jerusalem in glory. But by describing two Jerusalems, one barren, the other a mother, Isaiah provides a canonical basis for Paul to later further distinguish and separate the two.
When Paul refers to Mother Jerusalem he is echoing Isaiah’s portrayal of two Jerusalems. In Galatians the two Jerusalems metonymically represent the two sides of Paul’s antithesis between the spiritual states of being (cf. Gal 3:2, 5, 12, 23-25).
The analogy that Isaiah establishes between Sarah and Mother extends to, and transforms the sense of, the covenant, the seed, and the inheritance. These three elements are integral both to the Genesis patriarch narratives and to Paul’s argument in Galatians.
God established his covenant with Abraham after he promised that Sarah would bear a son and before that son was actually born. Analogously, through Isaiah, Yahweh establishes a covenant with the seed of the barren Jerusalem who, at the time the promise was made, did not yet exist: “And this shall be my covenant with them, said the Lord; My Spirit which is upon you (the deliverer of Zion), and the words which I have put in your mouth, shall never fail from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, for the Lord has spoken it, from now and forever” (Isa 59:21)
In transforming narrative history to prophetic proclamation, Isaiah introduces the Holy Spirit as defining the future seed of the faithful mother-city Jerusalem: “But now hear, Jacob, my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen. Thus saith the Lord God that made thee, and he that formed thee from the womb; Thou shall yet be helped; fear not, my servant Jacob; and beloved Israel, whom I have chosen. For I will give water to the thirsty that walk in a dry land: I will put my Spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thy children” (Isa 44:1-3).
In distinction, the seed of barren, rejected Jerusalem, are banished to exile as those who have “framed counsel, not by me, and covenants not by my Spirit, to add sins to sins”
Isaiah speaks of a seed of Abraham who are apart from God’s Spirit and who suffer judgment. Just as Isaiah speaks of two Jerusalems, he speaks of two seeds, one who inherit covenant blessings, the other covenant curses.
Isaiah merges the concepts of seed, inheritance, and covenant with the operation of the Holy Spirit as he prophetically transforms the theme of barrenness. The seed of the patriarchs whose mother-city is the redeemed Jerusalem is transformed in Isaiah to be, without mention of circumcision, those who pursue righteousness and seek the Lord, those to whom the Holy Spirit is given. Isaiah provides a canonical development of this theme that is obviously well-suited to Paul’s argument in Galatians. Echoes of maternity, mothers, seed, sons, children, inheritance (“heir”), and the Spirit resound throughout Galatians.
Poland said: “Ted do you understand these? I hope so. We can only be “children of Jerusalem Mother” if we follow and believe her.”
The question is, do you understand this? I understand your simplistic “studies” thoroughly. I believed them myself and was made to teach them to countless recruits. I was made to underline and memorise it all. Once you actually read and study the Bible, though, you see that the COG are only out to con you.
And by the way, “Mother Jerusalem” is not a woman. She’s a spiritual/literal city. But that’s a different discussion altogether. And judging from all your messages, it’s a pointless discussion too.
By: Ted on May 29, 2008
at 11:46 pm
Have you guys ever REALLY read the bible??? I mean REALLY read it & UNDERSTOOD IT?? The reason none of you get the bible is probably because GOD didnt want anyone BUT his elect to understand. When GOD came 2000 years ago the world wasnt ready for him… only the few elect! What did the elect do?? They preached the GOOD NEWS (Gospel) to the whole world, just as JESUS asked them to do.
The CoG is just trying to PREACH why trample them? Why be like the Pharisees of 2000 years ago that rejected our SAVIOR & crucified him? Why trample people that just want the whole world to see the light that has been given to them, to share what they have received???
What do you do??
Do you preach?
Can any other religion say they keep the 7 Sacred Feasts of GOD (Leviticus 23)??? NO!!!!
Do you preach the GOOD NEWS that the early church apostles preached??? NO!!!!
Just the CHURCH OF GOD can say they do!
Romans 10:15
And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Are you prepared to face the end?
When Christ asks you what have you done? Why do you deserve to go to Heaven? What then will be your answer??
Most of you will say, “Well we never heard of your TEACHINGS FATHER. We never knew of your 2nd Coming”
Thats alot of bull!! You all are LIARS & HYPOCRITES
All these people have been preaching to all of you endlessly with alot of patience and you guys are rejecting GODS WORD like it happend 2000 yrs ago. Continue to crucify your SAVIOR
But on that day…
Matthew 7:22-24
22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
in NKJV its says:
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
LAWLESSNESS!! i.e. the wickedness!
Another Question:
Why dont others understand or receive the “LIGHT” and just the CoG members?
Matthew 13:10-12
10The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” 11He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.
CoG members lets do as Christ directed us to do… Preach the WORD and if they dont listen walk away!
Luke 9:5
If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them.”
Matthew 7:6
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Stop giving these dogs and pigs the treasure that has been given to us!! Lets find those that are WORTHY of the TRUTH that is so plain to see! We are SOOO blessed to receive the 2nd Coming Christ and The Mother of all the living as put in Gen. They are the dead…. The reason we have 3rd Day Worship… to purify us so we may enter the Sabbath!! They refuse to see the bible with spiritual eyes. The bible is a “SPIRITUAL” book of iguidance, nstructions and lessons.
Numbers 19:12
He must purify himself with the water on the third day and on the seventh day; then he will be clean. But if he does not purify himself on the third and seventh days, he will not be clean
Luke 9:60
Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you (the living) go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”
Why us and not you….
Luke 8:9-10
9His disciples asked him what this parable meant. 10He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,
” ‘though seeing, they may not see;
though hearing, they may not understand.
Isnt it obvious all of you dont know what youre saying??? CHRIST said it best
John 10:26-28
26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
So who do they belong to?
John 8:41-47
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Hence verse 47
47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Isaiah 29:10-12
10 The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep:
He has sealed your eyes (the prophets);
he has covered your heads (the seers).
11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, “Read this, please,” he will answer, “I can’t; it is sealed.” 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, “Read this, please,” he will answer, “I don’t know how to read.”
You cant understand because the words have been sealed, only those that have been given the honor to see are his sheep!
What did John say?
Revelations 5:3-5
3But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Who is the Root of David????
Revelations 22: 16
16″I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
How come if the scroll (bible) is sealed and ppl cannot read or understand it, the CoG members can?
Because the Root of David came to unseal it. Only the Root of David can open up the scrolls. Our Father whom you call a CULT LEADER has opened up the scrolls so that WE can understand it. He came as the Root of David! The BUDDHIST KOREAN MAN FROM THE EAST
You are so dumb! Get your facts straight please!!! AHNSAHNGHONG was never Buddhist. He belonged to the 7th Day Adventist Church. The reason he was there was to fulfill the 7 churches prophesy…
Revelations 3:20-22
20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
Why from Korea???
Isaiah 24:15
Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD; exalt the name of the LORD, the God of Israel, in the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 41:2
“Who has stirred up one from the east, calling him in righteousness to his service ? He hands nations over to him and subdues kings before him. He turns them to dust with his sword, to windblown chaff with his bow.
Isaiah 46:11
From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do.
Ezekiel 43:2
and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory.
Matthew 24:27
For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Revelations 7:2
Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
What is the seal of the Living GOD?
John 6:27
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Son of Man = Christ
Christ has a “seal” on him that gives “ETERNAL LIFE” What gives ETERNAL LIFE in the bible that JESUS gives??
John 6:53-57
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
How do we eat his flesh and blood??
Matthew 26:26-28
26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
THE PASSOVER, NEW COVENANT
The holy feast of God that gives us Eternal Life!!
Thats what CoG preaches! Why is this wrong???
A cult is a heretic group or sect that do not follow the words of GOD…
The CoG are the only ones that keep GODS WORD 100% to a T~~~~ THE ONLY ONES!!!!!
How many churches mandate the wearing of veils?
as described in Corinthians….
1 Corinthians 11
1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
Propriety in Worship
2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,[a] just as I passed them on to you.
3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.
On another note..
New Jerusalem our Mothers “ACTUAL” name is Zian-Gil-Za~~~To answer someones question!
If you dont want to accept the TRUTH that the CoG preaches to the whole world thats fine.
We arent “brainwashed” or “programmed”, we are here on our own will because we have opened up our eyes and seen the truth. We are tired of having our eyes covered w the veil of sin. CHRIST gave us a chance and we are holding on w our dear lives. I feel pitty for those that trample GODS WORD..
In the end we will see who prevails
Acts 5:38-39
38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
The definitions that are written in the back of any Bible are written by men who do not see the truth. If the Bible testifies that there is a MOTHER as in GAL 4:26 Who are men to go against GODS WORD???
MOTHER is testified throughout the WHOLE BIBLE!! She is in Genesis-Revelations!
I am so sorry GOD didnt share HIS TREASURES w all of you who opose the CoG teachings =(
But God knows why…
Isaiah 55:9
“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
So what any man says is worthless…
Luke 13:28
“There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out
Pray that you arent left outside of the gated of Heaven
By: Lizzie on May 30, 2008
at 2:08 am
Ted says….
And by the way, “Mother Jerusalem” is not a woman. She’s a spiritual/literal city. But that’s a different discussion altogether. And judging from all your messages, it’s a pointless discussion too.
Ok.. lets analyze this real quick
Revelations 21
The New Jerusalem
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
After Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven from God its states “the dwelling of God is with men”
Hmmmm…
It states in the above verse that she will be a bride
Revelations 22
17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Thats funny that you say its a SPIRITUAL/LITERAL CITY when in reality the only one that can actually give “LIFE” is GOD!! GOD took it away from us in Genesis and only GOD can bring it back. So why is this CITY giving us LIFE???
So according to you Ted…. The LITERAL CITY is GOD???? I THINK NOT!!!!!
In Gal 4:26 it states that the Jerusalem that is above (like the one coming out of heaven in Rev) is free and she is our MOTHER!!
Why is she free??
Because she isnt like Haagar the slave woman, but free like Sarah
Thats why we are like ISAAC the CHILDREN OF PROMISE!
What are we PROMISED??
ETERNAL LIFE
Why do we get eternal life?
Because we children of THE MOTHER OF THE LIVING..
As in the story of Abraham…
Ishmael was the first born and he had to be the heir according to HEBREW LAW… but his mother was a SLAVE WOMAN
Only ISAAC the one born of the FREE WOMAN will be heir.
So what does GOD who of course we want to be heirs of (like the children of Promise) have to do w ABRAHAM???
Luke 16
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19″There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22″The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25″But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27″He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29″Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ (the Bible) 30″ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31″He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”
FATHER ABRAHAM..
Hmmmmm
Why does GOD refer to HIMSELF as FATHER ABRAHAM??
Maybe it was so we can understand the FREE WOMAN/SLAVE WOMAN/CHILDEN OF PROMISE Prophesy???
Why does it say SHE IS FREE??
Galatians 4
Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
24These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:
“Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”
28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
So if God is called our FATHER then his Bride should be our MOTHER….
OH WAIT!!!! THATS EXACTLY WHAT GAL SAYS!! OOPS!!!
out Father Established Mother Jerusalem or “MJ” as many refer to her! And now She is a praise of all nations.
Maybe not to you who reject the truth
Isaiah 62
7 and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
and makes her the praise of the earth.
God established HER and told us that we should follow HER until he comes again!!
http://usa.watv.org/press/content.html
She has been awarded numerous merits and medals…
Could this be PROPHESY FULFILLED RIGHT BEFORE OUR VERY EYES!
Isaiah 2
3 Many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
The mountain of the Lord is ZION
what is ZION?
Isaiah 33
20 Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals;
your eyes will see Jerusalem,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved;
its stakes will never be pulled up,
nor any of its ropes broken.
21 There the LORD will be our Mighty One.
It will be like a place of broad rivers and streams.
No galley with oars will ride them,
no mighty ship will sail them.
What are the appt feasts that are celebrated in ZION where we will see JERUSALEM?
Lev 23
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
Why cant you see?? It is so plain to see!!
Why cant you accept the truth?
Psalm 50:2
From Zion, perfect in beauty, God shines forth.
Psalm 76:2
His tent is in Salem, his dwelling place in Zion.
(did you know Salem is Jerusalem?)
Psalm 102:16
For the LORD will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory.
Psalm 102:21
So the name of the LORD will be declared in Zion and his praise in JERUSALEM
Psalm 128:5
May the LORD bless you from Zion all the days of your life; may you see the prosperity of JERUSALEM
Psalm 132:13
For the LORD has chosen Zion, he has desired it for his dwelling:
By: Lizzie on May 30, 2008
at 3:30 am
Lizzie, I’ll respond to your questions about Mother Jerusalem, once the the question of Genesis has been resolved. You’re just changing the topic and making ad hominem remarks.
Do you disagree with what we’ve said about Genesis? If so, why?
By: Ted on May 30, 2008
at 4:58 am
I move we just ignore Lizzie’s comments as to not get derailed….it’s garbage anyhow.
Ted, you said, “You don’t even want to get me started on “shadow concepts”. ”
Actually I would like to get you started on those. I’ve never been a huge fan of the shawdow interpretations.
By: CoGinator on May 30, 2008
at 7:32 am
Lizzie’s comments are flawed anyway.
She said, “The reason none of you get the bible is probably because GOD didnt want anyone BUT his elect to understand.”
Her comment above sounds as though she’s speaking for a Being that is said no human can fathom. So bascially, it is something that she made up. Her own vision of God.
We are talking about a Being that is Omniscient. If Lizzie’s concept of God is true, then he would have purposely set his creations up for failure.
He would have created just a few out of a billion to be his “chosen” and allowed them the ability to understand his word. Then, decide that he wants to find his “lost sheep”, as if he doesn’t already know.
By: Dark Angel on May 30, 2008
at 8:12 am
Sister Lizzie, I guess there aren’t any lost sheeps in these blog because they really can’t see the truth of God’s will. I thank God for letting me see the light of His truth.
Ephesians 1:3-10 – Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. FOR HE CHOSE US IN HIM BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD TO BE HOLY AND BLAMELESS IN HIS SIGHT. IN LOVE HE PREDESTINED US TO BE ADOPTED AS HIS SONS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS PLEASURE AND WILL to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. AND HE MADE KNOWN TO US THE MYSTERY OF HIS WILL ACCORDING TO HIS GOOD PLEASURE, WHICH HE PURPOSED IN CHRIST, TO BE PUT INTO EFFECT WHEN THE TIMES WILL HAVE REACHED THEIR FULFILLMENT TO BRING ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH TOGETHER under one head, even Christ.
I really feel sorry for those who don’t see the truth of Church of God which Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother gave us.
By: Poland on May 30, 2008
at 7:55 pm
Once again POLAND runs away from the DISCUSSION and CHANGES the TOPIC because his TRUTH has been proven WRONG.
COG=FAIL
By: LOLISM on May 30, 2008
at 8:06 pm
Poland,
TOTAL Omniscience and “free will” creates a paradox but hey, whatever.
By: Dark Angel on May 30, 2008
at 8:14 pm
I really feel sorry for you guys. The spiritually fact that you guys don’t see the truth in the Bible is because you guys are in darkness.
Genesis 1:3-5 – 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and HE SEPARATED THE LIGHT FROM THE DARKNESS. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
Do you guys understand the mystery of these?
1 Corinthians 4:5 – 5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; WAIT TILL THE LORD(Ahnsahnghong) COMES. HE WILL BRING TO LIGHT WHAT IS HIDDEN(By Constantine) IN DARKNESS (321 AD) and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
I pity you Church of God haters.
By: Poland on May 30, 2008
at 9:23 pm
LOL…POLAND…MORON….DO YOU KNOW HOW TO STAY ON TOPIC?
Everytime someone DESTROYS your STUPID VERSES and SHOWS YOU HOW YOU ARE WRONG, you CHANGE the TOPIC and CHANT some IRRELEVANT VERSE.
Are you 5 years old? WHY is your BRAIN SO WEAK?
COG=LMAO
COG=UNABLE TO HOLD AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION
By: LOLISM on May 30, 2008
at 9:28 pm
Poland said, “Sister Lizzie, I guess there aren’t any lost sheeps in these blog because they really can’t see the truth of God’s will.”
I disagree on two-folds…
1. There are plenty of Lost (way lost) sheep in these blogs. They are all the people who have lost sight of the one true God and who insist on worshiping not one, but two Pagan gods…Ahnsahnghong and Xhang Gil Cha (aka Mutha J).
2. You need to have a shift in thinking…for it’s us who see and understand the truth. We are trying to share the truth with you to save you from the hold satan has on you.
I can honestly say the mainstream christian church I attend has never broken up a family. The CoG in our city has broken up many. Let the results testify for which is the more correct interpretation of the Bible!!!
By: CoGinator on May 30, 2008
at 9:31 pm
You know what Sister Lizzie, these Church of God haters spend their time 24/7 to find opinions of men to criticise the truth of the Bible that Church of God preach. I mean there’s other denominations like Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, Born Again, Baptist, Pentecost, Mormons, Catholics, Muslims and many more and yet, they focus on Church of God. They must have seen or heard something special about us. Could it be because we are preaching the truth of the Bible?
2 Timothy 4:3-4 – 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
There you go. That’s why we need to keep a watchful eye these Church of God haters.
2 Timothy 4:15 – 15You too should be on your guard against him, because he strongly opposed our message.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Poland on May 30, 2008
at 9:53 pm
“I mean there’s other denominations like Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, Born Again, Baptist, Pentecost, Mormons, Catholics, Muslims and many more and yet, they focus on Church of God. They must have seen or heard something special about us. Could it be because we are preaching the truth of the Bible?”
LOL. Or maybe because we have sisters and family in your stupid cult, retard. You really are dumb.
COG=FAIL
POLAND clearly cant refute any of the points made. He is IGNORANT about the BIBLE and has to SWITCH TOPICS and POST POINTLESS VERSES whenever someone BLOWS HOLES in his SILLY RELIGION.
POLAND=CANT READ BIG SENTENCES.
By: LOLISM on May 30, 2008
at 10:25 pm
LOLISM said “Everytime someone DESTROYS your STUPID VERSES and SHOWS YOU HOW YOU ARE WRONG, you CHANGE the TOPIC and CHANT some IRRELEVANT VERSE.
Are you 5 years old? WHY is your BRAIN SO WEAK?”
Please, I never change a damn thing. I believe that God has a male and female image because there’s a male and female man in GOD’S LIKENESS according to the Bible, not the opinion of you guys who think that the Bible scholars can interpret the Bible on their own thinking. Did I made this up? Clearly there’s a male and female image of God because there’s a male and female image of man in GOD’S LIKENESS according to the Word of God. You guys are the ones who don’t see the truth. Then, you guys say that you guys are trying to make Church of God members see the truth when you guys are the ones who don’t see the truth in the Bible.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Poland on May 30, 2008
at 10:58 pm
By the way LOLISM, the verses in the Bible that you call “STUPID VERSES” are God’s words from those men that came from God and also carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Poland on May 30, 2008
at 11:01 pm
Wow this is unbelievable. COGinator, is this what you do all day everyday, chastizing the Church of God’s truths and it’s members? Now you even brought your fellow losers that don’t have a life but to surf the internet and find ways to destroy the truths in the Bible with the opinion of men.
One thing for sure is that we World Mission Society Church of God Brothers and Sisters really follow God’s commandments, feasts, wills, laws according to the Bible. While these unbelievers like COGinator maybe “COGignorant of the Bible’s truth” still keep Sunday worship, Christmas, Communion which are traditions of men.
COGinator and your fellow losers, GET A LIFE!
Matthew 15:6-9 [he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR TRADITION. YOU HYPOCRITES! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”
By: brofromzion on May 30, 2008
at 11:15 pm
My dear monks and nuns of the Buddhist and idol worshipper Ahnsahghong and his con artist Chung gil cha. It’s a pity I know her name and you don’t. I could not find this name in the BIble using spiritual eyes or Ahnsahnhong’s glasses.
Anyway you can never get their details even though you spew scriptures to prove them and this is what makes you an outstandng cult
Poland said: they must have seen or heard something special about us.
Yes indeed that COG is a 100% cult and listed below are a few points I want you all monks and nuns to ponder on how to recognize yourselves as cults
Your fake God has made you robots who sit in group with black suit and white veils using NIV bible as a deceptive tool. And the programmed robots work round the clock
Putting down others to make themselves look better, calling themselves righteous and others unrighteous
Told not to question on what is taught just swallow our B.S and M.J will give you water of life even if the lump gets stuck in the throat it will slide down easily.
They defend all that they do even though it can be harmful or wrong. When you ask questions about their history or the group they are vague in their answers or avoid answering them. (not answering or postponing it makes it go away)
The following are basic patterns, or characteristics, found in almost all cults that one can easily identify.
Additions – Cults add to the Word of God by having additional writings they call scripture, or by saying that only the Bible is God’s Word but you cannot understand it without their interpretation from their own teachers or books. The Bible is discouraged to be read alone.
Subtraction – Cults subtract from the Person of Jesus by saying he is something less than Eternal Deity. Or they will add their own teacher as deity.
Multiplication – Every false religion has works as part of their system of salvation. They also usually specify what works must be performed at a certain level for acceptance to their group and God.
Mediators- They will always have others involved for ones salvation by others. For the J.W.’s it is the 144,000. COG 800,000 for the International Churches of Christ its discipleship partners. For Mormons it is to join their church for salvation and use their materials- Doctrine and Covenants, Journal of Discourses and the Melchizedek priesthood.
Divisive – Cults have people choose by dividing a person’s loyalty. It’s God through their leadership by claiming to be the only Spokesman or group for God. They also require obedience to their leadership to be in right standing with God. They do not tolerate another’s differing opinions and it is looked upon as being divisive or of the enemy.
I am so glad that Lord Jesus Christ is my light, my truth and my way.
By: Jonah on May 31, 2008
at 4:21 am
OMG!! This keeps getting worst & worst.
One claims to know Mothers name, which btw isnt that, and other say she is a Pagan god. You call her what you want.. thats why only a few in Gods eyes were chosen! You believe men instead of God!
And YES… believe it or not, not all of you are going to heaven!!!! Only those that accept the truth!
Didnt Jesus leave after preaching only for 3 years. He thought noone were worth it for him to stay the remaining 37 years!!
Learn your prophesies!!! Get your facts straight! He came on Davids thone… when you figure what that is, you will understand!!
King James:
Is that why you changed your name to Dark Angel?? Because all you spread is DARKNESS?!!!!
Oh wait, THATS RIGHT!! ITS BECAUSE THE CHANGE OF AGE!!!
You all are hypocrites who claim to follow the words of Christ, but you have no clue!
One time you told me that what you guys do isnt persecution… Times have changed! Here is the MODERN definition:
Persecution
Religious persecution is systematic mistreatment of an individual or group due to their religious affiliation.
1 : the act or practice of persecuting especially those who differ in origin, religion, or social outlook
2 : the condition of being persecuted, harassed, or annoyed
You are all wolves in sheeps clothing leading others astray with your words that are only made up by man. Why if we follow the words of God you opress us? You say your worthless words & talk about others… others that only follow the truth of the bible. The truth of the early churches, the truth that PAUL who was a great apostle followed. He did see the light & understood the truth and what was to come! Which is alot to say compared to all of you who only know how to go against us. We prevail all the time, you just cant admit it. You just cant accept the truth. I dont know how many REAL believers are trying to open up your eyes here on this blog thanfully now I see more brothers in the truth!!! I like most of them pitty you and pray that you see the truth before its too late!!
Look around you… just as God the Father/God the Son/and the Holy Spirit promised us, the times are coming. Only those who hold on to the testimonies of Christ will make it. All of you have the testimonies that are made up by men. You have all gine astray.
13 The Lord says:
“These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men
Revelation 18:4
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her (false religions & churches), my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
You will receive the plagues unless your name is written in the BOOK OF LIFE!!!
Revelation 20:15
If anyone’s name was not found written in the BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s BOOK OF LIFE.
I just pray that you know what it is and that your names are written in it! We @ the CoG are in it!!!
MAY GOD ELOHIM HAVE PITTY & LOTS OF MERCY ON YOU ALL
By: Lizzie on May 31, 2008
at 6:03 am
Hello Poland, this post is with regards to your comments on Genesis 1:26.
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Genesis 1:26: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and they shall rule over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the sky, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
COG Interpretation: “There are men and women on the Earth, therefore Man was made in the image of Ahnsahnghong and woman was made in the image of Chung Gil Cha.”
Poland, beliving that would require us to ignore everything else in Genesis, and countless other verses throughout the Bible.
First of all, the idea that “Let us make man in our image” refers to the plurality of God is refuted by the very next verse, which relates the creation of man to a singular God.
This verse reads: “And God created man in His image” (Genesis 1:27).
In this verse the Hebrew verb “created” appears in the singular form. If “let us make man” indicated a plurality, it would be followed in the next verse by, “And they created man in their image.”
You see, throughout the Bible the plural form of “Elohim” is used to indicate the all-inclusiveness of God’s attributes of authority and power. The plurality of majesty. In the Bible, it is customary for one in authority to speak of himself as if he were a plurality. Kings, Pharoahs, Moses, Jesus…do they all have “female images”? No, of course not. You can’t just look at one verse out of context.
This rule is obeyed everywhere else in the Bible and to ignore it solely when reading Genesis is irresponsible.
Secondly, the words “likeness” and “image” do not refer to physical or sexual appearance, but rather they refer to having the knowledge of Good and evil.
This is clearly stated in the Bible:
“For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)
“and to put on the new self, created to be LIKE God in true righteousness and holiness. (Ephesians 4:24)”
“Then the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you LIKE God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. (Exodus 7:1)”
“On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be LIKE David, and the house of David will be LIKE God, LIKE the Angel of the LORD going before them. (Zechariah 12:8)”
These are just some of the hundreds of verses that use “like” and “image”. They all show that to be made in God’s “likeness” and “image” means to be righteous and have the knowledge of Good and evil. “Like” and “image” don’t mean “male image” and “female image”.
Thirdly, the words “image” and “likeness” are literally translated as “example” or “similitude”. God is making man as an “example” of himself. In the ancient languages, the two words, “timthal” (image) and “mathalona” (our image) are derived from the root word “metal” (example). Thus when the Bible uses the root words “mathal” and “shabah” it refers, not to a male and female “image of God”, but rather man being made as an “example” or “similitude” of God.
So, as we’ve seen above, “our likeness” only means knowing Good and evil.
Now for hundreds of years, Christian missionaries with little knowledge of Hebrew, used this very same verse in the Bible to prove the Trinity.
While the COG uses this one verse in Genesis to prove Mother and Father, Christians used it to prove “The Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.
But nowadays, no Christian scholar would use Genesis 1:26 as proof of a plural God. Why would Christians abandon this? Surely if the verse indicated a plural God, they would champion it as proof of the Trinity?
Well, they’ve simply read the Bible. Christian scholars overwhelmingly agree that the plural pronoun in this verse is a reference to God’s ministering angels who were created previously, and that God spoke majestically in the plural, consulting His heavenly court.
I know you think all Bible experts are “unholy” and “evil”, but just read what they say.
For example, the evangelical Christian author Gordon J. Wenham, who is no foe of the Trinity and authored a widely respected two-volume commentary on the Book of Genesis, writes on this verse:
“Christians have traditionally seen Genesis 1:26 as foreshadowing the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to Bible’s original author.”
Also note what the NIV Study Bible has to say about Genesis 1:26:
“Us . . . Our . . . Our. God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court. (see 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; I Kings 22:19-23; Job 15:8; Jeremiah 23:18)”
So even the Bible itself says that “us” is not plural.
Charles Caldwell Ryrie, a highly regarded professor of Biblical Studies at the Philadelphia College of Bible and author of the widely read Bible commentary, “The Ryrie Study Bible”, writes this short and sweet point about Genesis 1:26:
“Us . . ..Our. Refers to Plurals of majesty.”
The Liberty Annotated Study Bible, a Bible commentary published by the Reverend Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, similarly remarks on this verse:
“The plural pronoun “Us” isa majestic plural from the standpoint of Hebrew grammar and syntax.”
The 10-volume commentary by Keil and Delitzsch is considered by many to be the most influential exposition on the “Old Testament” in evangelical circles. Yet in its commentary on Genesis 1:26, we find:
“The plural “We” was regarded by the fathers and earlier theologians unanimously as being indicative of the Trinity; modern commentators, on the contrary, regard it either as pluralis majestatis…No other explanation is left, therefore, than to regard it as pluralis majestatis…”
The question that immediately comes to mind is: What would compel these evangelical scholars- all of whom, like the COG, believe in a plural God- to determinedly conclude that Genesis 1:26 does not suggest the Trinity, but rather a majestic address to the angelic hosts of heaven?
The answer to this question is simple. They’ve thoroughly read and studied the Bible. If you search the Bible you will find that whenever the Almighty speaks of “us” or “our,” He is addressing His ministering angels. In fact, only two chapters later, God continues to use the pronoun “us” as He speaks with His angels.
At the end of the third chapter of Genesis the Almighty relates to His angels that Adam and his wife have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and must therefore be prevented from eating from the Tree of Life as well; for if man would gain access to the Tree of Life he will “become like one of us.” The Creator then instructs his angels known as Cherubim to stand at the gate of the Garden of Eden waving a flaming sword so that mankind is prevented from entering the Garden and eating from the Tree of Life.
Let’s examine Genesis 3:22-24:
“Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become LIKE one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” —
therefore the Lord God sent him out of the Garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the Garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. “
This use of the majestic plural in Genesis 3:22-24 is what is intended by the NIV Study Bible’s annotation on Genesis 1:26. At the end of its comment on this verse, the NIV Study Bible provides a number of Bible sources from the Jewish scriptures to support its position that “God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court.” The verses cited are: Genesis 3:22, 11:7, Isaiah 6:8, I Kings 22:19-23, Job 15:8, and Jeremiah 23:18.
These verses convey to the attentive Bible reader that the heavenly abode of the Creator is filled with the ministering angels who attend the Almighty and to whom He repeatedly refers when using the plural pronoun “Us.”
Is any of this reaching you? Does it make sense
or do you simply not want to hear? When I was in the COG i shut my ears off to everyone too. I memorised all their verses and believed it wholeheartedly. Noone could get through to me. It’s very difficult to snap out of something like that.
By: Ted on May 31, 2008
at 7:15 am
Lizzie,
You are like the comic relief of this blog. I’m not even sure if replying to you is worth my time.
Where’s Marcus..
By: Dark Angel on May 31, 2008
at 7:25 am
Lizzie said:
“Persecution: Religious persecution is systematic mistreatment of an individual or group due to their religious affiliation.”
Ted says:
“whistle-blowing: exposure of fraud and abuse. A whistleblower is an employee, former employee, or member of an organization, who reports imorality, or misconduct to people or entities outside or within the organisation. Generally the misconduct is a violation of law, morals, rule and/or regulation.”
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Lizzie there are only 8-12 people on the internet who speak out against the COG. Most people simply have not heard of the group and could care less. 12 people is not persecution, especially when you consider the amount of abuse and hate mail we get, not to mention the illegal work of COG hackers.
As the COG grows, more and more people will learn of you. Many more will step forward to point out the flaws in your doctrines. Already quite a few ex members and cult exit consellors are blowing the whistle and drawing attention to the various immoral practises you carry out.
For example, did you know that the IRS is investigating Joo Cheol Kim? He’s filed tax exemption and deductable tithing. He’s also registered his cult as the same denomination as the SDA’s and Moonies. Does this look like the behaviour of a man who honestly believes the world will end in 2012? Why would a man who believes the world will end in 4 years, be so concerned about profts and tax loopholes?
By: Ted on May 31, 2008
at 7:31 am
I’m reposting this as I believe Lizzie is trying to distract people away from discussions…
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Hello Poland, this post is with regards to your comments on Genesis 1:26.
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Genesis 1:26: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and they shall rule over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the sky, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
COG Interpretation: “There are men and women on the Earth, therefore Man was made in the image of Ahnsahnghong and woman was made in the image of Chung Gil Cha.”
Poland, beliving that would require us to ignore everything else in Genesis, and countless other verses throughout the Bible.
First of all, the idea that “Let us make man in our image” refers to the plurality of God is refuted by the very next verse, which relates the creation of man to a singular God.
This verse reads: “And God created man in His image” (Genesis 1:27).
In this verse the Hebrew verb “created” appears in the singular form. If “let us make man” indicated a plurality, it would be followed in the next verse by, “And they created man in their image.”
You see, throughout the Bible the plural form of “Elohim” is used to indicate the all-inclusiveness of God’s attributes of authority and power. The plurality of majesty. In the Bible, it is customary for one in authority to speak of himself as if he were a plurality. Kings, Pharoahs, Moses, Jesus…do they all have “female images”? No, of course not. You can’t just look at one verse out of context.
This rule is obeyed everywhere else in the Bible and to ignore it solely when reading Genesis is irresponsible.
Secondly, the words “likeness” and “image” do not refer to physical or sexual appearance, but rather they refer to having the knowledge of Good and evil.
This is clearly stated in the Bible:
“For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)
“and to put on the new self, created to be LIKE God in true righteousness and holiness. (Ephesians 4:24)”
“Then the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you LIKE God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. (Exodus 7:1)”
“On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be LIKE David, and the house of David will be LIKE God, LIKE the Angel of the LORD going before them. (Zechariah 12:8)”
These are just some of the hundreds of verses that use “like” and “image”. They all show that to be made in God’s “likeness” and “image” means to be righteous and have the knowledge of Good and evil. “Like” and “image” don’t mean “male image” and “female image”.
Thirdly, the words “image” and “likeness” are literally translated as “example” or “similitude”. God is making man as an “example” of himself. In the ancient languages, the two words, “timthal” (image) and “mathalona” (our image) are derived from the root word “metal” (example). Thus when the Bible uses the root words “mathal” and “shabah” it refers, not to a male and female “image of God”, but rather man being made as an “example” or “similitude” of God.
So, as we’ve seen above, “our likeness” only means knowing Good and evil.
Now for hundreds of years, Christian missionaries with little knowledge of Hebrew, used this very same verse in the Bible to prove the Trinity.
While the COG uses this one verse in Genesis to prove Mother and Father, Christians used it to prove “The Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.
But nowadays, no Christian scholar would use Genesis 1:26 as proof of a plural God. Why would Christians abandon this? Surely if the verse indicated a plural God, they would champion it as proof of the Trinity?
Well, they’ve simply read the Bible. Christian scholars overwhelmingly agree that the plural pronoun in this verse is a reference to God’s ministering angels who were created previously, and that God spoke majestically in the plural, consulting His heavenly court.
I know you think all Bible experts are “unholy” and “evil”, but just read what they say.
For example, the evangelical Christian author Gordon J. Wenham, who is no foe of the Trinity and authored a widely respected two-volume commentary on the Book of Genesis, writes on this verse:
“Christians have traditionally seen Genesis 1:26 as foreshadowing the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to Bible’s original author.”
Also note what the NIV Study Bible has to say about Genesis 1:26:
“Us . . . Our . . . Our. God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court. (see 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; I Kings 22:19-23; Job 15:8; Jeremiah 23:18)”
So even the Bible itself says that “us” is not plural.
Charles Caldwell Ryrie, a highly regarded professor of Biblical Studies at the Philadelphia College of Bible and author of the widely read Bible commentary, “The Ryrie Study Bible”, writes this short and sweet point about Genesis 1:26:
“Us . . ..Our. Refers to Plurals of majesty.”
The Liberty Annotated Study Bible, a Bible commentary published by the Reverend Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, similarly remarks on this verse:
“The plural pronoun “Us” isa majestic plural from the standpoint of Hebrew grammar and syntax.”
The 10-volume commentary by Keil and Delitzsch is considered by many to be the most influential exposition on the “Old Testament” in evangelical circles. Yet in its commentary on Genesis 1:26, we find:
“The plural “We” was regarded by the fathers and earlier theologians unanimously as being indicative of the Trinity; modern commentators, on the contrary, regard it either as pluralis majestatis…No other explanation is left, therefore, than to regard it as pluralis majestatis…”
The question that immediately comes to mind is: What would compel these evangelical scholars- all of whom, like the COG, believe in a plural God- to determinedly conclude that Genesis 1:26 does not suggest the Trinity, but rather a majestic address to the angelic hosts of heaven?
The answer to this question is simple. They’ve thoroughly read and studied the Bible. If you search the Bible you will find that whenever the Almighty speaks of “us” or “our,” He is addressing His ministering angels. In fact, only two chapters later, God continues to use the pronoun “us” as He speaks with His angels.
At the end of the third chapter of Genesis the Almighty relates to His angels that Adam and his wife have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and must therefore be prevented from eating from the Tree of Life as well; for if man would gain access to the Tree of Life he will “become like one of us.” The Creator then instructs his angels known as Cherubim to stand at the gate of the Garden of Eden waving a flaming sword so that mankind is prevented from entering the Garden and eating from the Tree of Life.
Let’s examine Genesis 3:22-24:
“Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become LIKE one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” —
therefore the Lord God sent him out of the Garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the Garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. “
This use of the majestic plural in Genesis 3:22-24 is what is intended by the NIV Study Bible’s annotation on Genesis 1:26. At the end of its comment on this verse, the NIV Study Bible provides a number of Bible sources from the Jewish scriptures to support its position that “God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court.” The verses cited are: Genesis 3:22, 11:7, Isaiah 6:8, I Kings 22:19-23, Job 15:8, and Jeremiah 23:18.
These verses convey to the attentive Bible reader that the heavenly abode of the Creator is filled with the ministering angels who attend the Almighty and to whom He repeatedly refers when using the plural pronoun “Us.”
Is any of this reaching you? Does it make sense
or do you simply not want to hear? When I was in the COG i shut my ears off to everyone too. I memorised all their verses and believed it wholeheartedly. Noone could get through to me. It’s very difficult to snap out of something like that.
By: Ted on May 31, 2008
at 7:35 am
Lizzie said, “And YES… believe it or not, not all of you are going to heaven!!!! Only those that accept the truth! Didnt Jesus leave after preaching only for 3 years. He thought noone were worth it for him to stay the remaining 37 years!!”
Jesus thought no one was worth him staying the remaining 37 years? I just have to smile at that statement.
:-)
By: Dark Angel on May 31, 2008
at 12:17 pm
Poland said, “You know what Sister Lizzie, these Church of God haters spend their time 24/7 to find opinions of men to criticise the truth of the Bible that Church of God preach. I mean there’s other denominations like Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, Born Again, Baptist, Pentecost, Mormons, Catholics, Muslims and many more and yet, they focus on Church of God. They must have seen or heard something special about us. Could it be because we are preaching the truth of the Bible?”
1. You’ve obviously spent a lot of time on this blog so what’s your point?
2. Ahnsahnghong is a man who studied the bible, so you too fall under the heading of a person following the opinion of men.
3. The general population already know that Mormonism, JW’s, and SDA’s are cults with flawed doctrines (and I don’t know anyone who has fallen victim to those).
4. The COG is special alright…they are the first cult that has borrowed so many of the other flawed cults doctrines and incorporated them into one really flawed interpretation of the bible.
By: CoGinator on May 31, 2008
at 2:19 pm
Bozofromzion wrote: “Wow this is unbelievable. COGinator, is this what you do all day everyday, chastizing the Church of God’s truths and it’s members? Now you even brought your fellow losers that don’t have a life but to surf the internet and find ways to destroy the truths in the Bible with the opinion of men.
One thing for sure is that we World Mission Society Church of God Brothers and Sisters really follow God’s commandments, feasts, wills, laws according to the Bible. While these unbelievers like COGinator maybe “COGignorant of the Bible’s truth” still keep Sunday worship, Christmas, Communion which are traditions of men.
COGinator and your fellow losers, GET A LIFE!”
To answer your first question: no I don’t do this all day everyday, although I have to admit the same thought crossed my about you and some of the other CoGers who monitor this blog.
Secondly, using the term “truth” with the teaching of the CoG is subjective and not factual. Just because you say it doesn’t mean it’s correct.
Third, I didn’t bring anyone to this blog or even invite them. Word travels fast when there’s a handful of crazy cultist trying to perpetuate thier misteachings.
Fourth, You follow the teachings of men. Ahnsahnghong, Joo, and I guess even Xhang tries to teach. So don’t get all high and might on us. Is Ahnsahnghongs birthday celebration and feast talked about in the bible? No, so that would be a man made celebration you follow.
And lastly, your comment about getting a life…Is that how the CoG teaches you to “Love your neighbor as yourself”?
Thank you for showing the true color of the CoG for all who are seeking the truth about you chruch
By: CoGinator on May 31, 2008
at 3:28 pm
Oh yeah…check out my blog for a cool little write-up on the Dead Ahansahnghong.
By: CoGinator on June 1, 2008
at 1:54 am
Lizzie nun and my monks this is getting better and better. Would you like to have a look at what you are into? A CULT. Here are some of the true characteristics clearly present in the COG
A cult leader may be living goddess, dead Buddhist, representatives of the true leader, or completely fictional.
A cult teaches that they are right and everyone else is wrong (the false prophets defense),
A cult often teaches to not ask too many questions; just accept their teachings as 100% truth, “Have faith,” even if there is no evidence to support their teachings.
A cult teaches that something bad will happen to you if you do not have faith in their teachings. (E.g. punishments by their God(s) or lack of protection from harm or evil, etc.) Members may continue to follow the cult teachings, even if they don’t agree with some of them, just to avoid such painful consequences.
A cult may avoid any person (e.g. ex-member, non-member, loved one, family member, member of another groups, etc.), who disagrees with them and/or doesn’t properly follow their teachings. In this way, members are less influenced by outsiders who may have different beliefs or may point out flaws in the teachings of the group.
A cult may try to reduce outside influences, declaring such influences as misleading, evil temptations not allow members to associate with non-members or anyone who disagrees with them; or have special internet members to defend the church even if that means hacking and deleting any post that exposes them.
Cult members may be required to spend lots of time tending to the needs of the group or group teachings (e.g. rituals, praying, preaching, witnessing, etc.)
A cult often tries to control members using fear, guilt and shame. (e.g. suggesting that a parent is hurting his/her children by leaving the cult, suggesting that a loved-one’s dying wish was for a straying member to become more dedicated to the cult’s teachings, suggesting that outsiders will reject them for being a part of the group, etc.)
A cult may teach that others are trying to stop them from spreading the truth, creating us-vs. -them mentality.
By: Jonah on June 1, 2008
at 1:03 pm
Hay guyz,
Nice to see that there are people who can stand in the gap while I’m busy with life. Thanks CoGinator, Dark Angel and LOLISM, and the rest of those who are determined to show the truth about the cult that CoG is. Bible school is keeping me busy and on my toes, but when things are less hectic I’ll throw in my fifty-cents worth :)
BTW Clark, you’re just drawing attention away from the topic to further your own antagonistic-atheistic-antiChristian agenda. We’ll just ignore what you say if you can’t stick to the topic.
To all the CoG cult members: CoG = FAIL!!
By: Jamie on June 2, 2008
at 12:51 am
Dark Angel said…..
“This is about Ahnsahnghong not the bible. If you want to argue about bible scripture, then there are other forums setup for that purpose.”
Wow, you just do not get it do you. After all these months, you still do not get it.
The only reason Ahnsahnghong is the Christ is because he is the one the Scriptures testify about. Ahnsahnghong and Scripture are inseparable.
Jesus was also the one the Scriptures testified about. What do you not understand? You see, you do in fact understand that the Scriptures testify about Ahnsahnghong, this is why you do not what to talk about Scripture and Ahnsahnghong.
You guys are so transparent.
It is amusing to see you guys spend so much time with man’s opinion about Scripture.
By: marcus on June 2, 2008
at 2:18 am
Yes Jonah, by man’s definition of a “cult”, the church that Jesus established would fall into the category of a cult.
So Jonah does not want to follow the teachings of Jesus (a man who claimed he came from heaven). Therefore the church that Jesus established and that has been restored by second coming Jesus is nothing but a cult.
So what is your point?
You fools are blind.
By: marcus on June 2, 2008
at 2:29 am
Marcus, did you know that the IRS is investigating Joo Cheol Kim? He’s filed tax exemption and deductable tithing. He’s also registered his cult as the same denomination as the SDA’s and Moonies. Does this look like the behaviour of a man who honestly believes the world will end in 2012? Why would a man who believes the world will end in 4 years, be so concerned about profts and tax loopholes?
Also, it’s interesting to note that the COG’s 2012 end date is identical to the Mayan date of apocalypse, which itself has been debunked by academics.
Poland, the rest of this post is with regards to your comments on Genesis 1:26.
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Genesis 1:26: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and they shall rule over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the sky, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
COG Interpretation: “There are men and women on the Earth, therefore Man was made in the image of Ahnsahnghong and woman was made in the image of Chung Gil Cha.”
Poland, beliving that would require us to ignore everything else in Genesis, and countless other verses throughout the Bible.
First of all, the idea that “Let us make man in our image” refers to the plurality of God is refuted by the very next verse, which relates the creation of man to a singular God.
This verse reads: “And God created man in His image” (Genesis 1:27).
In this verse the Hebrew verb “created” appears in the singular form. If “let us make man” indicated a plurality, it would be followed in the next verse by, “And they created man in their image.”
You see, throughout the Bible the plural form of “Elohim” is used to indicate the all-inclusiveness of God’s attributes of authority and power. The plurality of majesty. In the Bible, it is customary for one in authority to speak of himself as if he were a plurality. Kings, Pharoahs, Moses, Jesus…do they all have “female images”? No, of course not. You can’t just look at one verse out of context.
This rule is obeyed everywhere else in the Bible and to ignore it solely when reading Genesis is irresponsible.
Secondly, the words “likeness” and “image” do not refer to physical or sexual appearance, but rather they refer to having the knowledge of Good and evil.
This is clearly stated in the Bible:
“For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)
“and to put on the new self, created to be LIKE God in true righteousness and holiness. (Ephesians 4:24)”
“Then the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you LIKE God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. (Exodus 7:1)”
“On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be LIKE David, and the house of David will be LIKE God, LIKE the Angel of the LORD going before them. (Zechariah 12:8)”
These are just some of the hundreds of verses that use “like” and “image”. They all show that to be made in God’s “likeness” and “image” means to be righteous and have the knowledge of Good and evil. “Like” and “image” don’t mean “male image” and “female image”.
Thirdly, the words “image” and “likeness” are literally translated as “example” or “similitude”. God is making man as an “example” of himself. In the ancient languages, the two words, “timthal” (image) and “mathalona” (our image) are derived from the root word “metal” (example). Thus when the Bible uses the root words “mathal” and “shabah” it refers, not to a male and female “image of God”, but rather man being made as an “example” or “similitude” of God.
So, as we’ve seen above, “our likeness” only means knowing Good and evil.
Now for hundreds of years, Christian missionaries with little knowledge of Hebrew, used this very same verse in the Bible to prove the Trinity.
While the COG uses this one verse in Genesis to prove Mother and Father, Christians used it to prove “The Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.
But nowadays, no Christian scholar would use Genesis 1:26 as proof of a plural God. Why would Christians abandon this? Surely if the verse indicated a plural God, they would champion it as proof of the Trinity?
Well, they’ve simply read the Bible. Christian scholars overwhelmingly agree that the plural pronoun in this verse is a reference to God’s ministering angels who were created previously, and that God spoke majestically in the plural, consulting His heavenly court.
I know you think all Bible experts are “unholy” and “evil”, but just read what they say.
For example, the evangelical Christian author Gordon J. Wenham, who is no foe of the Trinity and authored a widely respected two-volume commentary on the Book of Genesis, writes on this verse:
“Christians have traditionally seen Genesis 1:26 as foreshadowing the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to Bible’s original author.”
Also note what the NIV Study Bible has to say about Genesis 1:26:
“Us . . . Our . . . Our. God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court. (see 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; I Kings 22:19-23; Job 15:8; Jeremiah 23:18)”
So even the Bible itself says that “us” is not plural.
Charles Caldwell Ryrie, a highly regarded professor of Biblical Studies at the Philadelphia College of Bible and author of the widely read Bible commentary, “The Ryrie Study Bible”, writes this short and sweet point about Genesis 1:26:
“Us . . ..Our. Refers to Plurals of majesty.”
The Liberty Annotated Study Bible, a Bible commentary published by the Reverend Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, similarly remarks on this verse:
“The plural pronoun “Us” isa majestic plural from the standpoint of Hebrew grammar and syntax.”
The 10-volume commentary by Keil and Delitzsch is considered by many to be the most influential exposition on the “Old Testament” in evangelical circles. Yet in its commentary on Genesis 1:26, we find:
“The plural “We” was regarded by the fathers and earlier theologians unanimously as being indicative of the Trinity; modern commentators, on the contrary, regard it either as pluralis majestatis…No other explanation is left, therefore, than to regard it as pluralis majestatis…”
The question that immediately comes to mind is: What would compel these evangelical scholars- all of whom, like the COG, believe in a plural God- to determinedly conclude that Genesis 1:26 does not suggest the Trinity, but rather a majestic address to the angelic hosts of heaven?
The answer to this question is simple. They’ve thoroughly read and studied the Bible. If you search the Bible you will find that whenever the Almighty speaks of “us” or “our,” He is addressing His ministering angels. In fact, only two chapters later, God continues to use the pronoun “us” as He speaks with His angels.
At the end of the third chapter of Genesis the Almighty relates to His angels that Adam and his wife have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and must therefore be prevented from eating from the Tree of Life as well; for if man would gain access to the Tree of Life he will “become like one of us.” The Creator then instructs his angels known as Cherubim to stand at the gate of the Garden of Eden waving a flaming sword so that mankind is prevented from entering the Garden and eating from the Tree of Life.
Let’s examine Genesis 3:22-24:
“Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become LIKE one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” —
therefore the Lord God sent him out of the Garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the Garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. “
This use of the majestic plural in Genesis 3:22-24 is what is intended by the NIV Study Bible’s annotation on Genesis 1:26. At the end of its comment on this verse, the NIV Study Bible provides a number of Bible sources from the Jewish scriptures to support its position that “God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court.” The verses cited are: Genesis 3:22, 11:7, Isaiah 6:8, I Kings 22:19-23, Job 15:8, and Jeremiah 23:18.
These verses convey to the attentive Bible reader that the heavenly abode of the Creator is filled with the ministering angels who attend the Almighty and to whom He repeatedly refers when using the plural pronoun “Us.”
Is this clearer now?
By: Ted on June 2, 2008
at 5:07 am
Let’s talk about Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem.
Ahnsahnghong
Was he legally married to mother jerusalem? How many times did he get married? Is mother jerusalem his first wife? When is his birthday?
Mother Jerusalem
Who is she? What is Mother Jerusalem’s name? when was she born? how old is she? Does she have any kids or families?
I’ve been in world mission church of god for awhile, baptized, have a life number (my name is in the book of life), keeping passover, sabbath, all the feasts, study bible, read all the books etc. They are the nicest people, but none of them can answer these questions truthfullly.
i’ve been neglecting my families, quit my job so i can do more preaching and studying, i’ve sacrificed all my time and energy for preaching, preaching and preaching and more preaching. I’ve been like a dog chasing it’s own tail.
I’m beginning to realise there’s more to live than this. happinness or salvation is not something that you search or seek. it is within you.
Sorry for using this comment box for my rants.
By: Tony on June 2, 2008
at 9:32 am
Ted said,,,
“Marcus, did you know that the IRS is investigating Joo Cheol Kim? He’s filed tax exemption and deductable tithing. He’s also registered his cult as the same denomination as the SDA’s and Moonies. Does this look like the behaviour of a man who honestly believes the world will end in 2012? Why would a man who believes the world will end in 4 years, be so concerned about profts and tax loopholes?”
LOL! Ted the detective thinks he’s got dirt on the COG!
Another fail argument. You deny Bible prophecy Ted, just admit it.
Love how you quote man’s opinions about Biblical matters. The Bible speaks for itself my friend.
Ted said,,,
“First of all, the idea that “Let us make man in our image” refers to the plurality of God is refuted by the very next verse, which relates the creation of man to a singular God.
This verse reads: “And God created man in His image” (Genesis 1:27).
In this verse the Hebrew verb “created” appears in the singular form. If “let us make man” indicated a plurality, it would be followed in the next verse by, “And they created man in their image.”
You see how Ted tries to negate what God said in Genesis 1:26 by using Genesis 1:27. Interesting that he tries to use God’s words against God.
He comes to this false argument because of his lack of knowledge of the word of God.. let us look at Genesis 5
Genesis 5:1…….:When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them “man. [a] ”
When God created male and female in the IMAGE OF GOD, he called them “MAN”.
Now let us look at Genesis 1:27 again……….”27 So God created MAN (male and female) in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
MALE and FEMALE he created them.
This is the problem that Ted runs into when he uses cut and paste arguments of men and his own opinion. Your understanding of the Bible is not your own. It is a mixture of men’s opinions about God’s will.
The Bible interprets itself Ted. This is something you quite haven’t understood yet.
You cannot distort God’s will of creation. This is why it is stated in Romans 1….
Romans 1:20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Men can distort the word of God, but you cannot alter God’s providence of creation. It is there for everyone to see. God created all life to be given through male and female. God’s will to give us spiritual life is hidden in the creation.
Why does Ted not understand such a simple concept? Because he is not a child of Father and Mother and he despises their children.
It is ok Ted. Your efforts will be proven futile because you are fighting the true God Elohim.
Truth is always exposed in the end.
By: marcus on June 2, 2008
at 9:37 am
Tony, why have you quit your job so you can just preach and study all day? How would you pay the bills? Is someone taking care of you?
If you really are a child of Father and Mother, you would know that Mother never said to quit your job or school. She in fact encourages us to be the best employee at the workplace or the best student at school and glorify God with our good deeds.
If you preach as much as you say you do, you must have great faith in our Father and Mother. Then why don’t you know that Mother never says to quit your job or school to only preach the gospel?
If you think salvation is within you, then do what you have to do Tony. Salvation does not need to be forced upon anyone. If you do not think Father and Mother are testified in the Bible, then why are you preaching, preaching, preaching as you claim?
Your comments sound like one who is posing as a member of the church of God. Very obvious.
By: marcus on June 2, 2008
at 9:57 am
I guess there is nothing else to do here! All of you want to stay blind! I must say that I have tried! I do believe with all my heart that this “cult” or sect as they called Jesus & the Apostles 2000 years ago is the truth. Its happening again…
Acts 24:5
“We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene SECT
13And they cannot prove to you the charges they are now making against me. 14However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a SECT. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, 15and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
It is the will of God that it happens all over again.. It is how he separates the light from the dark. The childen of God and those of Satan!!!
Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
I believe in what follows the bible scriptures. Todays religions dont follow any of the commandments! Jesus said UNLESS THEY DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER…
Matthew 7
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
No church out there besides the CoG can say they do the will of the Father!! If they say they do they are nothing but hypocrites!
Matthew 15
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8” ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.’
Sunday Worship/Christmas/Easter/Communion all man made-Catholic Approved
Catholics… oh how they break the laws of Christ!!
Starting by the POPE with his tiara
1 Corinthians 11
1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
Propriety in Worship
2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,just as I passed them on to you. 3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head.
Then calling himself “FATHER-HOLINESS”
Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
This is the church that approves all those doctrines..
They killed Christians because they didnt want to follow Catholic doctrines.
How sick is that!!
CoG doesnt obligate anyone, or kill anyone because they dont want to follow the truth!!
Father & Mother were never married! They were never LOVERS! He just ESTABLISHED her as MOTHER to fulfill a prophesy! They took a PICTURE in TRADITIONAL WEDDING CLOTHES! Before FATHER passed away he told everyone… FOLLOW HER TILL THE END!
Isaiah 62
6 I have posted watchmen (those who look out) on your walls, O Jerusalem;
they will never be silent day or night. (preaching)
You who call on the LORD,
give yourselves no rest,
7 and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
and makes her the praise of the earth.
Fathers last words after he spent 37 years without rest PREACHING was FOLLOW HER TILL THE END!!!
Tell me which church can say they have fulfilled prophesies?? NONE
We are all adults, we can compare to see which church holds the truth!
Although you claim Jesus is the way you dont follow his commands… HYPOCRITES
But yet this SECT does…
We will never fail because we are of GOD!
more than 800,000 and going STRONG!
Acts 5
38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
By: Lizzie on June 2, 2008
at 10:12 am
Keep em coming Ted.
Hebrews 4:12 — For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
You neither know the truth nor believe the truth. You suppress the truth of God. Your type are written in the Bible.
Romans 1:18 — The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
I pity your soul that you were used to hinder the gospel of Christ. Your destiny is found in the Bible.
By: marcus on June 2, 2008
at 10:22 am
Lizzie, there is no need to answer their questions.
If they do not believe that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled Bible prophecy and that he revealed to us who our Mother (God in the flesh) is, then why should they know anything about them? Doesn’t make any sense right?
Ted is trying to gather information for his quest to make war against the Church of God. Obviously it will fail, but still, why give them what they want?
Let them squirm a little bit.
By: marcus on June 2, 2008
at 10:36 am
Marcus,
It is not whether you use the bible or not, it’s about answering simple questions. If someone ask you for your Name, Age, and Birth Date.
Are you going to tell then your name is “Baxster” while avoiding to answer the rest of the question by referring to bible scripture to prove your age and birthdate?
No, you’re not.
“Mother Jerusalem” was not born with that name. She has a birth date just like everyone else and she also has parents.
Out of all of the cults that I was apart of, I knew the basic information about the leader. Why is knowing someone’s real name such a hard thing?
Wouldn’t you want to know who you are worshipping? Perhaps not but if anyone is running around claiming to be an Omniscient Being, then, I’m going to do my best to find out who this person really is.
You can not claim to be an Omniscient Being without being recognized as one as a child. Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem’s “Divine Natures” should not have gone on blind eyes by anyone.
Parents, Friends, Relatives, Neighbors…etc.
Most people are recognized as “gifted” in their child hood. Why wasn’t Mother Jerusalem recognized as God? You would think with her divine nature, it wouldn’t be as hard.
You guys want to say that Ahnsahnghong was not a Buddhist but, two years ago on another blog, members of the COG made it clear that he was.
And Yes, I can post exactly what is said too. Perhaps you were there under another user name Marcus. You seem to be everywhere…Omnipresent-like.
Anyway, for anyone to withold information about themselves such as Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem does, well, does not deserve to be trusted or better yet worshipped.
What is she hiding from?
Who is she hiding from?
Your god Mother Jerusalem has a family member of mine believing that she is OMNISCIENT.
Is she or is she not Omniscient, Marcus?
By: Dark Angel on June 2, 2008
at 11:27 am
Lizzie said, “We will never fail because we are of GOD! more than 800,000 and going STRONG!”
Lizzie, why go past 144,000? why go past 200,000 or 300,000?
What is the purpose if 144,000 is the quota. Why allow all the remaining 656,000 to beleive that they are chosen and going to heaven?
Not to mention the extra amount of people that may join from now until whenever you guys believe is the “end’.
By: Dark Angel on June 2, 2008
at 12:28 pm
dear marcus,
I use to attend sabbath worship , tuesday, keep all feast and i preach and study everyday.
I had to quit my job to be able to attend full sabbath worship, get more time to preach and study. i had a part time labour job so i can just pay rent. At that time, my top main priority is only to serve mother. I genuinely believed every doctrins, every dogma. I can still recite all the verses needed to support and confirm. I know most of it on top off my head.
I know exactly mother said not quit in one occassion, this was said especially to the one in the korean army/military. she also said you can still bear fruit.. preach to your fellow army as well. (this is exactly what she said). The points that she always make when she speaks: bear fruit, find lost brothers and sisters.
I guess what i’m saying is now i can see a whole new different perspective of life. To be honest i feel peacefull and free.
I am only trying to express my experience. I’m not trying to prosecute anyone especially world mission church of god. I am still friends with some of them, although most of them think i’m no longer their ‘brother’.
By: Tony on June 2, 2008
at 1:03 pm
Here’s a few comments taken from another message board date in 2006 from the Brendoman site.
A COG member says in regards to Ahnsahnghong being a Buddhist..
COG member 1:
“How can a Kid who was taught from a young age to be budist be able to restore the passover and be able to establish our Zion which keeps all the Feast and Father made so manny books in deatail explaing so much throgh the bible.
also when Father came he lived in ashack with barely enough money to live and you know what is Job was to break down rocks yet he spent all the money he earned to buy paper to make all of those books he wrote explaining everything we had forgotten. No regular Man can make such a miracle as he did.”
Dated: 10/11/06
Another COG member says:
COG member 2:
“He was raised a Buddhist and His parents were both devout. Thus he was not a Christian until the age of 30 (I don’t think his parents let Him read the Bible!) Is it humanly possible for Him to have learned so much truth of the bible in that environment in what, a day? A month?).”
Dated: 10/19/06
Again that is taken from:
http://brendoman.com/wardwords/2005/11/21/cult#c42560
in support of Ahnsahnghong being raised a Buddhist, as some may try to dispute. Who ever said that he wasn’t, how long were you members for, a few months?
By: Dark Angel on June 2, 2008
at 6:51 pm
From Jaime: ‘BTW Clark, you’re just drawing attention away from the topic to further your own antagonistic-atheistic-antiChristian agenda. We’ll just ignore what you say if you can’t stick to the topic.’
Well Jaime. Why don’t you go take your Bible and shove it in your ass. I don’t have to believe in this “cult book” that you Jaime worship.
BTW Jaime, perhaps you can answer my question. Is the Bible litterally written by God or by men? Why no one can answer it.
Actually I see a lot of smart people here. Dark Angel, Jonah, LOLISM, COGinator, Ted, marcus, Lizzie, brofromzion, since you guys knows the Bible well, please answer my question. I’m pretty sure when they answer it they gonna use some twisted answer according to their own flaws. This Bible cult has really gone mad, creating wars on everyone.
By: Clark on June 2, 2008
at 8:42 pm
Clark,
Perhaps you should come up with your own answer for that question because obviously, you’re not going to accept an answer from anyone else.
Take care and good luck on your search.
By: Dark Angel on June 2, 2008
at 9:28 pm
If no one minds, I’ll just repost this information.
Here’s a few comments taken from another message board date in 2006 from the Brendoman site.
A COG member says in regards to Ahnsahnghong being a Buddhist..
COG member 1:
“How can a Kid who was taught from a young age to be budist be able to restore the passover and be able to establish our Zion which keeps all the Feast and Father made so manny books in deatail explaing so much throgh the bible.
also when Father came he lived in ashack with barely enough money to live and you know what is Job was to break down rocks yet he spent all the money he earned to buy paper to make all of those books he wrote explaining everything we had forgotten. No regular Man can make such a miracle as he did.”
Dated: 10/11/06
Another COG member says:
COG member 2:
“He was raised a Buddhist and His parents were both devout. Thus he was not a Christian until the age of 30 (I don’t think his parents let Him read the Bible!) Is it humanly possible for Him to have learned so much truth of the bible in that environment in what, a day? A month?).”
Dated: 10/19/06
Again that is taken from:
http://brendoman.com/wardwords/2005/11/21/cult#c42560
in support of Ahnsahnghong being raised a Buddhist, as some may try to dispute. Who ever said that he wasn’t, how long were you members for, a few months?
By: Dark Angel on June 2, 2008
at 9:29 pm
See what I mean guys about Clark? I’ll be exercising my authority to censor his posts that are unrelated to the topic at hand. Yes Clark, censor, nothing you can do about that hahaha. You can raise up a big ruckus about me not allowing free speech and all that, anything you like. it’ll all get deleted all the same. You can take all your complaints and unrelated questions and show them up your ass :)
CoG = FAIL
Clark = FAIL
By: Jamie on June 2, 2008
at 10:40 pm
[Edit by Jamie: I’m only leaving this comment here because it’s a reply to Dark Angel’s question. It’s up here out of respect for Dark Angel, not Clark.
Clark = FAIL]
From Dark Angel ‘Perhaps you should come up with your own answer for that question because obviously, you’re not going to accept an answer from anyone else.’
Am I suppose to vomit now or what? The answer is simple. The Bible is written by men using papers, pen or perhaps with the modern technology which is the computer and printer. Got it Dark Angel? Don’t worry, I’ll give you further information. You suck Dark Angel.
By: Clark on June 2, 2008
at 10:41 pm
Do you know how to LOVE GOD w ALL YOUR MIGHT AND w ALL YOUR MIND??? Do you know how to LOVE ONE ANOTHER??? The way GOD wants you to????
Answer that first!!!
We are still here PATIENTLY trying to OPEN UP YOUR EYES and everyone else in this “BLOG”
Learn the prophesies b4 throwing all of that in our face!
Thats what all of you should so… LEARN THE PROPHESIES AND THE MYSTERIES OF GOD
If you dont, then it will just be a sealed scroll that you cant read or understand.
By: Lizzie on June 3, 2008
at 7:34 am
Romans 3:12
All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”
By: Lizzie on June 3, 2008
at 7:46 am
Lizzie,
Do you still believe that Ahnsahnghong was not a Buddhist?
Do you also still believe that Christianity didn’t exist in South Korea 1918?
I think most of you should get your information in order before you decide to worship some guy and a woman.
By: Dark Angel on June 3, 2008
at 8:21 am
There was Christianity; I never said there wasnt. What didnt exist was the TRUTH! Not some ROMAN CATHOLIC APPROVED Religion that keeps SUNDAY WORSHIP…
They desecrated the SABBATH!
Exodus 31:14
” ‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.
Ezekiel 20:13
” ‘Yet the people of Israel rebelled against me in the desert. They did not follow my decrees but rejected my laws—although the man who obeys them will live by them—and they utterly desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and destroy them in the desert
Ezekiel 20:16
because they rejected my laws and did not follow my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths. For their hearts were devoted to their idols.
Ezekiel 23:38
They have also done this to me: At that same time they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my Sabbaths.
By: Lizzie on June 3, 2008
at 8:32 am
How can they be called GODS people! The Christianity that was there was defiled…Thats why Christ had to come again to remind them of what they OBVIOUSLY FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John 14:26
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
What did they forget:
THE SABBATH
THE FEASTS
THE PASSOVER WHICH GIVES SALVATION
By: Lizzie on June 3, 2008
at 8:38 am
How come in 2000 years NO ONE reminded US about those IMPORTANT & SACRED COMMANDMENTS OF GOD??
Only 1 MAN
What GOD takes away ONLY GOD could give back!!!
Gen 3
21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
The Tree of Life gave ETERNAL LIFE
PASSOVER GIVES ETERNAL LIFE
Who brought the truth back??
AHNSAHNHONG
By: Lizzie on June 3, 2008
at 8:44 am
Good job Sister Lizzie. In the bible, God lets us know about a very important place for our salvation. That place is the Garden of Eden. In the Garden of Eden, we can find out not only about the biblical origin of human beings, but the origin of death as well.
However, the Garden of Eden does not only hold the key to how we came to die, but also how we can come to have the secret of eternal life. Because we sinned in the Garden of Eden, all men have been destined to die. Then, is that it? Are only born to die in this dreadful world? Is there anyway to be saved from our sin, and finally death?
Let us find out through the word of God in the Bible.
The tree of life hidden since the creation
Matt. 13:34-35 『Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”』
According to the bible, Jesus always spoke in parables. In these parables, Jesus has revealed things hidden since the creation of the world. Among the 66 books, which book has the history of the creation of the world? It is the book of Genesis.
In the book of Genesis there are many parables showing God’s Providence. Among the parables, let’s study the tree of life
.
Gen. 2:16-17 『And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”』
In the Garden of Eden, God the LORD put the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And He commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, they were tempted by Satan and violated the commandment of God. By this, human beings are destined to die and death entered this world through sin.
However, Jesus said that he spoke in parables, which speaks of hidden things, but is the story the tree of the knowledge of good and evil a hidden thing? Everyone has heard this story before. Then what was hidden?
Even though we all know about how we came to die in the Garden of Eden, how many people know about how we had to have eternal life?
This is the hidden thing that Jesus was speaking of. There is a proverb, “where there is a problem, there is a solution.” Then, if death is the problem, what can be the only possible solution? Eternal life. Let’s see how we were able to have eternal life in the Garden of Eden.
Gen. 3:22 『And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”』
According to the above verse, the way that we are able to have eternal life is by eating from the tree of life.
According to the bible, because we sinned by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God blocked the way for us to eat from the tree of life and receive eternal life. But if God blocked the way to eat from the tree of life, then who is the only one that can open the way? Only God. However, two thousand years ago, Jesus Christ came to give us the way to eternal life.
John 10:10 『The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.』
Life to the full means “eternal life”. But according to bible, the only way to receive eternal life is by eating from the tree of life. This means that Christ came to open the way to the tree of life. However, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Jesus Christ is God almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life.
Then, what is the reality of the tree of life?
How did Jesus open the way for us to eat from the tree of life?
John 6:53-54 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.』
In Genesis, what should we eat to have eternal life? It’s the tree of life. However, what did Jesus say we should eat to have eternal life? He said we should eat His flesh and drink His blood. Then, what is Jesus’ flesh and blood? It’s the reality of the tree of life. That’s right. The fruit of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden represents Jesus’ flesh and blood. By eating Jesus’ flesh and blood we can eat the fruit of the tree of life and have eternal life, which was lost in the Garden of Eden.
How do we eat Jesus Flesh and blood?
Are we to really eat Jesus Christ himself?
No way. The bible shows us exactly how to eat Jesus flesh and blood to receive eternal life.
Matt. 26:17-26 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to
eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover. … While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
In the Garden of Eden; we needed to eat from the tree of life in order to receive eternal life. In the New Testament, the reality of the tree of life is Jesus Christ flesh and blood. The way to eat from Jesus Christ flesh and blood is be celebrating the Passover. Then, we can say the reality of the tree of life is the Passover.
Again, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Jesus Christ is God almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life
We, human beings, who lost the tree of life and were destined to die, have the chase once again to have eternal life by God who came in the flesh and allowed the fruit of the tree of life, that is, the bread and wine of the Passover. However, the devil abolished the truth of the Passover at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. It means the tree of life was hidden and no one could have eternal life. We could not expect salvation without the Passover the truth about the tree of life.
Then how can we eat from the tree of life again? Who can restore the Passover Truth to us?
Heb. 9:28 『so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
The purpose of Christ coming a second time is for our salvation. To bring us salvation the Passover is absolutely needed. Whoever establishes the Passover truth must be second coming Christ. The One who restored the Passover truth is Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Therefore, Ahnsahnghong is Christ who came in this age according to all the prophecies of the Bible. He restored the truth of the Passover, the tree of life, and saved us from our sin and death.
Again, if only God can open the way to the tree of life and give us eternal life, and Christ
Ahnsahnghong came to give us eternal life, then what does this mean? Christ Ahnsahnghong is God Almighty who came to give us eternal life through the tree of life.
By: Poland on June 3, 2008
at 3:24 pm
Hi everyone. Been busy lately with some work and finally I’m getting some break now. To all my Masonic Brothers, I still here if you guys need help as long as I don’t break the commandments of God. I was wondering if the unbelievers here know God’s Zion is. According to the Bible, Zion is the place where the Feast of God are kept.
Isaiah 33:20- Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem, a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.
Zion is the city of God’s Feast. That is why the Church of God 2000 years ago was also regarded as Zion.
Hebrews 12:22- But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven.
what was the name of the church 2000 years ago?
1 Corinthians 1:1- 2 To the CHURCH OF GOD in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
Acts 20:28-Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
The name of the Church Jesus Christ established was the Church of God. But how did the apostle Paul describe the church of God in the book of Hebrews? He said “you have come to Mount Zion” The Church of God is Mount Zion.. Why? Because the Church of God 2000 years ago kept the feast of God (Sabbath, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firsfruits, Feast of Week, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles). Not only that, but in Zion who should you see? lets read again
Isaiah 33:20-Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem
Hebrews 12:22-22-But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem
Then who is the Heavenly Jerusalem?
Galatians 4:26-But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Then, in Zion who must exist? Mother God!! The Church of God 2000 years ago believed in Mother God. Then the true Church of God in these days must also believe in Mother God. The World Mission Society Church of God is Mount Zion because it believes in Mother God as the bible testifies. We must believe in the Heavenly Mother testified in the bible to receive Eternal Life.
Then where will the people of God be standing in the last days?
Revelation 14:1-Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Where will they be standing? they will be on Mt. Zion!!! In Mt. Zion, Father God and Mother God will give us Eternal Life. The World Mission Society Church of God firmly believes in Father God- Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother God-the New Jerusalem because they are testified throughout the whole bible. The World Mission Society Church of God is surely Zion! God Bless you!
By: Robert on June 3, 2008
at 7:21 pm
Lizzie,
Yes I know that it wasn’t you who said that Christianity didn’t exist in South Korea in 1918, it was Elijah.
As he stated on May 16th, “Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who fulfilled all of these prophecies in 1918 when Christ Ahnsahnghong was born the majority of Korea was either Buddhist or Confucian; there was no trace of Christianity in Korea during that time, so it was impossible for Christ Ahnsahnghong to be born in a household of believers.”
However, none of you corrected him.
Also, you did mention that Ahnsahnghong did NOT “follow Buddah” for 30 years in your post dated May 22, 2008. Even Robert agreed with you with his post right underneath.
You said,
“Jonah you are so full of it.. Ahnsahnhong did not follow BUDDAH for 30 years. He was a 7 day Adventist and thats part of the prophecy of the 7 churches… Not only that HE KEPT THE SABBATH DAY!! His parents were Buddhist. Get your story straight! Everything Ahnsahnhong did was to fullfill prophesies. If it looks like God Acts like God and fullfills pophecies that only God can fulfill… THEN IT IS GOD!”
So Lizzie, why is it that in the post that I pasted from another blog from two years ago, two members of the COG claimed that he WAS a Buddhist.
It would appear that you have your information out of order, Lizzie. Marcus, you should feel ashamed that members are misinformed, seeing how you have more knowledge of the doctrine and all.
I’ll just post what they said again so that you can compare what they said, to your words.
“COG member 1:
“How can a Kid who was taught from a young age to be budist be able to restore the passover and be able to establish our Zion which keeps all the Feast and Father made so manny books in deatail explaing so much throgh the bible.
also when Father came he lived in ashack with barely enough money to live and you know what is Job was to break down rocks yet he spent all the money he earned to buy paper to make all of those books he wrote explaining everything we had forgotten. No regular Man can make such a miracle as he did.”
Dated: 10/11/06
Another COG member says:
COG member 2:
“He was raised a Buddhist and His parents were both devout. Thus he was not a Christian until the age of 30 (I don’t think his parents let Him read the Bible!) Is it humanly possible for Him to have learned so much truth of the bible in that environment in what, a day? A month?).”
Dated: 10/19/06
Again that is taken from:
http://brendoman.com/wardwords/2005/11/21/cult#c42560
in support of Ahnsahnghong being raised a Buddhist, as some may try to dispute. Who ever said that he wasn’t, how long were you members for, a few months?”
By: Dark Angel on June 3, 2008
at 8:05 pm
To make it worse, Lizzie. I posted a message for you right under Roberts on May 22, 2008 and you never responded, I’ll just paste here for you to answer.
I said,
Lizzie said, “Jonah you are so full of it.. Ahnsahnhong did not follow BUDDAH for 30 years. He was a 7 day Adventist and thats part of the prophecy of the 7 churches… Not only that HE KEPT THE SABBATH DAY!! His parents were Buddhist. Get your story straight! ”
Lizzie, at what age did Ahnsahnghong JOIN the Seventh Day Adventist church?
The guy was baptized in 1948 at the age of 30. How long does it really take someone to get baptized?
Give me a break with that. How about you get your story straight because it would appear that you do not know as well.
First ELIJAH claims there was NO TRACE of Christianity in 1918, the year Ahndahnghong was born, then you say that he wasn’t a Buddhist but a Seventh Day Adventist.
Are you serious??
He was baptized in 1948, that is when he ACCEPTED CHRIST and became a Seventh Day Adventist.
You all don’t have a clue about your own doctrine. If I didn’t point out the Christianity existed in South Korea before Ahnsahnghong was born, you all would still believe that it didn’t exist at that time.
Even the SDA church was there before your god was born.
So again Lizzie, how old was Ahndahnghong when he joined the church WITHOUT getting baptized. Did he join at age 21 then decided to get baptized at age 30?
If that were the case, then you all are shooting yourselves in the foot. Please tell em that was the case…oh man.
You all have already gotten the history of the existence of Christianity incorrect, so I want you to add on to your errors.
By: Dark Angel on June 3, 2008
at 8:07 pm
Now do you remember, Lizzie?
By: Dark Angel on June 3, 2008
at 8:28 pm
Marcus said: “The only reason Ahnsahnghong is the Christ is because he is the one the Scriptures testify about. Ahnsahnghong and Scripture are inseparable.”
And yet the Scriptures don’t even remotely attest to Ahnsahnghong or Chung Gil Cha.
The COG uses a web of verses to back up Ahnsahnghong and Mother. Look at Robert’s post (which I’ll respond to after). Each verse is taken out of context and then used to validate another verse. That’s why cults often bounce about from verse to verse when trying to “debate” or “proove” their doctrines.
Whenever someone points out a flaw, they quickly jump elsewhere.
Cult members are trained to think in a very scattershot way, always jumping from one “proof” to the next. This is because their belief is essentially a self supporting web. A supports B which supports C which supports D. Nothing can stand on it’s own. Once you scrutinise one segment, all the others crumble.
But anyone actually properly studying the Bible will see that the Bible has nothing to do with Ahnshanghong or Mother. Basically, a cults indoctrination process is a step by step process in which these segments are all welded together. You get the cult membre to believe A and then he has to believe B.
Marcus said: “Ted the detective thinks he’s got dirt on the COG!”
I fail to see how you can laugh off the fact that Joo Cheol Kim is more concerned about tax loopholes, tithing and tax deductability, when the world is supposed to end in 2012. Obviously the man is milking you for every dime you have. Jesus was a humble man and had no concern for earthly money or possessions. The COG thrive on money stollen from their young members.
Marcus said: “Love how you quote man’s opinions about Biblical matters. The Bible speaks for itself my friend.”
Exactly. And the Bible absolutely has nothing to do with Ahnsahnghong. Instead of debating issues look how you run in circles. You’re now hiding behind the shallowest defence. All cults use the “man is evil, do not listen to them” line as a last line of defence. The COG’s doctrines absolutely crumble under scrutiny and everytime this is pointed out, you resort to ad hominem attacks or change the topic.
Marcus said: “When God created male and female in the IMAGE OF GOD, he called them “MAN”.”
Marcus this has nothing to do with the point I made earlier. It niether proves your point or debunks mine. Of course mankind is comprised of males and females. I think you need to re-read my post.
Marcus said: “Your understanding of the Bible is not your own. It is a mixture of men’s opinions about God’s will.”
Again, you’re hiding behind the “everyone not in the COG is evil and wrong” argument. That’s shallow and simplistic. Facts don’t lie. The Bible doesn’t lie. Logic doesn’t lie. Your only defence is “it has to be right because it is from God”.
You’re overlooking the truth, because you believe a lie.
Marcus said: “The Bible interprets itself Ted. This is something you quite haven’t understood yet.”
Exactly, which is why when we study the Bible we find the truth. If we look at the use of “elohim” and “us” throughout the Bible we can see what is meant in Genesis. The Bible alone proves that your interpretation is wrong. I’ve found 190 examples of the use of the word, which is what I was trying to show you in the other post, but you brush it off saying that these “scholars are evil men”. No Marcus, they’re using the Bible. They’re studying Bible verses and then coming to their conclusion. Are you saying that “elohim” is used differently in Genesis? Are you saying that this one verse is more special and so is different from all other uses of the noun?
You cannot distort God’s will of creation, Marcus. This is why it is stated in Romans 1:
Romans 1:20 “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”
This is what the Bible says about the COG. It warns us about men who distort the word of God. It warns us about false prophets like the COG who try to scam money from people. Cults who are more concerned about IRS loopholes and annual profits than the word of God.
Actually no it doesn’t. Roman’s simply an angry letter by Paul against the politicians of the time. I’m not going to lower myself to your standards, using verses out of context.
Marcus said: “Truth is always exposed in the end.”
Of course it is. Just promise not to do anything stupid on 2012. I know you truly believe in Ahnsahnghong, and that’s fine. Their indoctrination is very powerful. I was in your shoes too. But when 2012 comes and nothing happens at least reevaluate all your crazy doctrines and think about what’s really going on. Don’t just say “oh wait, Ahnsahnghong is merely testing us” and go on giving your money to them.
The Bible says to test all idols with a hammer. If you are unwilling to test Ahnsahnghong now, do it in 4 or 5 years time, when the “end” doesn’t come.
Marcus said: “If you really are a child of Father and Mother, you would know that Mother never said to quit your job or school. She in fact encourages us to be the best employee at the workplace or the best student at school and glorify God with our good deeds.”
The COG needs their members working so that they can contribute money to the cult. No income= no money for Mother.
What they try to avoid is higher education (which of course leads to independ thinking). Thinking is something the COG don’t like.
This is why you generally don’t find people with higher education in cults.
As for Lizzie…Lizzie you’re post is completely off topic. You realise that just because Jews protested against Jesus that this does not make Ahnsahnghong God? The Moonies are accused of being a cult. Does this make Rev Moon like Jesus? No of course not. Both Ahnsahnghong and Moon are cult leaders who hide behind persecution.
“Look how they persecute me like Jesus” they say. But it’s not the same at all. Jesus was stoned and crucified by the government, politicians and religious leaders of his time. In contrast, Ahnsahnghong is persecuted by 8 ex members on the internet. Hardly the same.
Clearly, Lizzie, Ahnsahnghong’s persecution resonates not with Jesus, but with all the thousands of minor false prophets and false idols present throughout mankind’s history.
Lizzie said: “How come in 2000 years NO ONE reminded US about those IMPORTANT & SACRED COMMANDMENTS OF GOD??”
Probably because Jesus abolished them. Jesus was a very rebellious individual who revoked most of the legalistic rituals and physical practises of the Jewish God. Remember the Old Testament God (the one you are quoting) and Jesus (New Testament) are seperated by thousands and thousands of years.
The COG is essentially a pick-and-mix religion. You’re taking the Old Testament doctrines of the Jews, the very same doctrines Jesus rebelled against, and claiming they are someone more valid. But then when it suits you, you jump back to the New Testament and use Jesus to persecute the Jews. So it’s all very childish and back-and-forth.
The question, really, is does the Bible prophecise about Ahnsahnghong coming from the East and does Genesis prophecise about a male and female God. That’s the only important thing to debate. Once you debunk either, you essentially prove that the COG is false. All your posts are just attempts to bury true discussion in ancillary rhetoric.
By: Ted on June 3, 2008
at 9:02 pm
To Robert…well, your post is a perfect example of COG intercontextual nonsese. You’ve taken every single verse and totally ignored the meaning and historical context behind them. For example…
Robert says: Isaiah 33:20- “Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem, a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.”
This verse is spoken to the Solomites (King Soloman’s temple). Zion is located on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, not Korea. It’s the oldest part of the South Western city. On one peak you had a city called Moriah where the famous temple of God was built, and on the other peak you had the palace of King David. Thus Zion is strategically in the middle of these two holy places.
Also the verse is not “2000” years old as you claim. It’s far-far older.
Robert says…
Hebrews 12:22- “But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven.”
I notice Robert, that you don’t post the very next verse. Hebrews actually reads this:
“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly; the Church of the firstborn, which are written in Heaven; and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel” (Heb. 12:22-24)
It’s not the Church of God, it’s the Church of the Firstborn (aka Jesus Christ). The Israelites of old trembled at the foot of Mount Sinai. They were afraid, but then came to a new mountain. In these verses the apostle completes the last great contrast which he draws between Judaism and Christianity, in which he displays the superiority of the latter over the former. The point of the apostle in these Hebrew verses was to convince the believing Hebrews (at the foot of the mountain) of the pre-eminence of the new covenant above the old. This has nothing to do with Ahnsahnghong.
Robert says…
“1 Corinthians 1:1- 2 To the CHURCH OF GOD in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:”
There are thousands of Churches called the Church of God. Anyone can call their church the “Church of God” and then point to the Bible and say “we are the chosen ones”. Also note that Paul mentions different names in his Helanistic letters to the Churches. He calls it the Church of Christ, the Church of the one, the church of the saviour etc. It’s just poetic language and not a legalistic god-appointed name.
Robert says…
“Galatians 4:26-But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.”
Not this again. Paul rejects and CONDEMNS Israel saying that she is a barren woman with no fruits or seed. This is figurative language, not literal. Thus, the “city of Isreal” (aka the Jews), have renounced Christ and can only be “one with God” once they turn their city into a nurturing mother with ripe milk. And anyway, why would you want Chung Gil Cha to be associated with “Mother Jerusalem” when Paul says “The faithful city has become a harlot?”
Also there’s the gramatical argument in which we see that the word for “New” in New Jerusalem is not “neos” but “kainos” which means something that is cleansed. Thus Paul is saying that Israel must be cleansed and accept Christ. Of course the Jews reject Christ, and so Paul condemns them. You’re completely missing the point of these verses Robert. You’re stringing things together to “back up” a superficial myth.
By: Ted on June 3, 2008
at 9:05 pm
Lizzie said, “Who brought the truth back??
AHNSAHNHONG”
The only part of truth ASH brought was that man eventually dies. I pray he went to heaven. As for MJ and Joo, I have my doubts as they appear to be developing the CoG religion for profit sake.
By: CoGinator on June 3, 2008
at 9:07 pm
Clark,
I have a prediction to make…
Since you don’t believe in the bible, and yet you are hanging around a forum that is clearly all abou the bible and the different interpretaions, that you are seeking. Now, I doubt you’d admit it and frankly I’m not going to hold you proclaim it…but there’s something in you that is driving you to begin to look at the bible. But, since your in complete control of you life, you are going to ignore that feeling and instead convince yourself that there is no truth, and everyone who believes in the bible is weak. Hey, I know the thoughts as I was once there. However, God but some great people in my life that eventually lead me to be a follower of Jesus Christ.
Now don’t get confused, I make mistakes, I have bad habbits and I’m not a perfect follower…as no christian is…but we can all be reminded of what his intentions were and how we can always strive to be more christ like.
You’d be smart to read a book called “The Case for Christ” by Lee Stroble. He was a reporter for the Chicago Tribune and he set out to prove, with his best investigative reporting hat on, that Christianity was bogus . Instead he proved the opposite. The book is well laid out and very logical.
You my friend are being courted by the Holy Spirit. I wouldn’t be surprised if some great christian works come from you in the future.
God Bless you, and I’ll pray for your peace of mind.
By: CoGinator on June 3, 2008
at 9:27 pm
Clark, I encourage you to read the epistles of Peter and Jude, since you accuse me and others of “not loving each other” when we post against the CoG’s cult teachings. Apparently, to you the concept of “loving one another” means letting a person end up in hell forever instead of doing all you can to prevent that from happening.
Lizzie, how ironic of you to instruct all of us to love God with all our minds. Frankly, that’s what CoG members are not doing at all. Oh the irony!
CoG = FAIL
By: Jamie on June 3, 2008
at 11:04 pm
Oh the irony….. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Is it even worth trying to help all of you open your eyes? It’s just a she said you said BS all the time in here.
I ended up here by mistake a couple months ago. And now I am fighting to help save the souls of those that are destined to DIE!
The truth is I am not into debate or boasting who is right or wrong. I was here to only & exclusively help a brother”Ryan” and for some reason IAM STILL HERE! Having COMPASSION for those that dont deserve it!
I still have compassion and pitty for all of you.
I have tried and tried and tried and yet you guys just dont get it. You guys dont see what we are trying to show you. How we want you to see what we see! The mysteries of GOD hidden in the bible!
I am not going to quote no verses… I am not throwing my pearls & my treasures that were freely given to me to PIGS!
Frankly, I dont think you guys deserve it or want it. It is futile to attempt to put Gods Holy Words/Mysteries on this website.
You cant help those that dont want to be helped!
I can see the heart of my fellow brothers…
The only reason the bible gets quoted so much w us is because we speak thru the bible… Thats our sword! We dont use men opinions but Gods! His thoughts are higher than our thoughts, therefore his words have more validity
You all have turned away from God… Why is it so hard for you to come back to the truth & repent! Come out of her my people….. He says! Its sad how not even his own would recognized him. Only the few elect will.
The “truth” is only what follows and agrees w the words of God! Thats why we claim to be the truth! We follow all of the commandments of God and keep hold to the testimonies of Christ! All Ahnsahnghing did was REMIND us. He did not come up w his own doctrine, but taught us what Christ did 2000 years ago and what was said for 6000 years
If you think the CoG is only for PROFIT… then you tell our CHRIST that to HER face! Tell HER how you think SHE is a FRAUD & a CULT LEADER!
Tell HER that everything the CoG members do is because we are PROGRAMMED or BRAINWASHED!
I am sure that General Assembly is aware of websites like these.. God knows what is to be done to FALSE PROPHETS.. and those that lead HIS PEOPLE ASTRAY!
HE will bring wrath upon them… Fatal & Deadly WRATH!
So if we are of God as we believe to be.. then we will prevail, if not.. we will face our consequence!
As for now, I will judge for myself who is right and who is wrong. I will see who follows GODS TRUE WILL AND COMMANDMENT! and I will follow only those that obey and agree w Christ.
Either it be Jehovah, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit!
Our Father left us a book that will help us determine who is leading us to eternal life and who is leading us to hell!
So far, this is the ONLY CHURCH that follows his commands and THE ONLY CHURCH I WILL REMAIN IN.
Because those that remain in HIM will remain w the FATHER
By: Lizzie on June 4, 2008
at 10:36 am
Lizzie,
“Ryan” is Marcus..if you did not know. “Ryan” or Marcus has many user names such as “John” and “Baxster28″…perhaps more that I am not aware of.
Also, thanks for avoiding my question in regards to the comment you said about ahnsahnghong not being a Buddhist and thanks for also avoiding Ted’s question.
Lizzie said, “If you think the CoG is only for PROFIT… then you tell our CHRIST that to HER face! Tell HER how you think SHE is a FRAUD & a CULT LEADER!
Tell HER that everything the CoG members do is because we are PROGRAMMED or BRAINWASHED!”
Lizzie, she’s an Omniscient God remember? So, there’s no need to tell her something that she “already knows”.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 11:34 am
Lizzie said, “The only reason the bible gets quoted so much w us is because we speak thru the bible… Thats our sword! We dont use men opinions but Gods! His thoughts are higher than our thoughts, therefore his words have more validity”
Lizzie, then do not refernece “man’s history books” on Constantine, Israel gaining it’s indepence, Jews, or anything else men wrote. If it wasn’t written down, how would ahnsahngong have known?
Everything ahnsahnghong was aware of was written down or was the concept of another man.
Apparently, he believed that Jesus was born in 1BC-33AD..that is not a fact. “MEN” came up with that and it would appear that men came up with it because Jesus’ time of existence is not written in the bible, and according to you, if it’s not written in the bible, then it is of man.
Your “gods” believes in men’s concepts, conspiracies, and contradictions.
Anyway, you have chosen to avoid my simple questions, (in which you do not need the bible to answer by the way) so I will no longer pay any attention to you, so rant all you want.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 11:47 am
Thats exactly why we DONT celebrate GODS birthday since:
” “MEN” came up with that and it would appear that men came up with it because Jesus’ time of existence is not written in the bible, and according to you, if it’s not written in the bible, then it is of man.”
Youre such a LOSER!!
You hide behind “NAMES”. What is it you are afraid of? I have always used MY name from DAY ONE.
So dont speak of others changing their names when you are doing the same thing “KING JAMES”
Matthew 7:3
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
I can answer any question you have thru the bible…
And by the way to the MORON that said I’ve only been in the CoG for months… YOU ARE WRONG
TRY YEARS!!!!!
By: Lizzie on June 4, 2008
at 12:07 pm
The reason this WEBSITE is up and running is because “JAMIE” (if thats the REAL name!) wanted people to RANT ON!!!
If that wasnt the case then we wouldnt be RANTING now would be????
Jamie is enjoying this… RANTING!!
You are so slow to learn…..
Thats why you havent been fed solid foods. You are too immature in spirit.. you can only have liquids like a BABY! Open up so YOU can get your BOTTLE
Why dont you REPENT and use all of your so called KNOWLEDGE for the TRUTH instead of doing your fathers (satan) dirty laundry!
By: Lizzie on June 4, 2008
at 12:16 pm
Lizzie,
I simply pointed out the Ryan is Marcus.
Calm down.
I changed my user name because your COG buddies hacked into the cult watch forum. So, in order for me to post, I had to create a new user name.
What is knowing my real be worth to you, Lizzie?
As I said, you can rant all you want, but you still avoid to answer those questions and acknowledge the information about ahnsahnghong being a buddhist.
Lastly, I was the one who ASKED how long the person who posted the information of him not being buddhist. I never declared the person was a member for a few months.
Anyway, you’re getting too emotional over this… so.
Take care
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 12:49 pm
Lizzie said,”Thats exactly why we DONT celebrate GODS birthday since:”
I never said anything about Jesus’ birthdate, I said time of existence. 1BC-33AD is a man-made concept that your god believes in.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 12:57 pm
Lizzie,
Here are three observations for you.
1. You as well ask Marcus, Robert, and Poland all have very bad attitudes. I think it stems from your frustration in trying to defend your churches doctrine, but never fully able to do so. In any account, you don’t do your chuch justice because it makes it appear that all members of the CoG are angry and bitter. (Maybe they are?)
2. You seem to not want to take responsibility for your own choice to be here and read this board. If it bothers you so much…Quit…nobody is forcing you to be here. That’s your own decision…so don’t point blame and take ownership of your actions.
3. You stated that you don’t celebrate Gods birthday, which is ironic. Either you don’t truely believe Ahnsahnghong is God so when the CoG has celebrated his birthday (and they have) you didn’t think it counted. Or your lying. I bet you do, but you don’t count Christmas, because your church has convinced you it’s wrong to dedicate a day to remember Jesus’ birth. Nobody is claiming that Dec 25th is the actual day of his birth…it’s just the day that has be chosen to honor him…could have been any day.
By: CoGinator on June 4, 2008
at 1:01 pm
I’m tired of pulling your cards, Lizzie. You said you’ve been a member for years, yet you believe the guy wasn’t a buddhist. Don’t worry, not you can change your way of thinking, you can now believe that he was.
Perhaps you should tell your COG friends not to hack into message boards and delete user accounts.
Would you like to know what other concepts your gods believe in? It’s weird that two omniscient Being would “believe” in stuff like that.
You know, I change my mind, I’m going to acknowledge your posts..just for fun.
You amuse me.
comic relief.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 1:06 pm
Elijah,
by the way, I know that you copied and pasted your information about ahnsahnghong on May 16, 2008 at 6:25 pm from the “path to heaven-ahnsahnghong” blog.
Elijah, you should try to contact the person you copied your information from and let them know that Christianity existed in South Korea in 1918.
Next time, don’t be so lazy to type information, you never know who you’re getting it from.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 2:18 pm
I just came across two other sites with the same wrong infomation that Elijah posted in regards to Christianity not existing in South Korea in 1918.
Wow, talk about spreading ignorance.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 2:30 pm
I heard SK didn’t have running water until 1947 thanks to Ahnsahnghong.
Hee Hee
By: CoGinator on June 4, 2008
at 2:57 pm
[Edited by Jamie]: Clark, I notice your grammar is getting worse and you’re starting to type and talk like a CoG member. Are you by any chance one who is masquerading as someone trying to get us to stop speaking out about the cult?
Do note that my decision about not allowing your unrelated posts still stands.
By: Clark on June 4, 2008
at 4:01 pm
YOU GUYS ARE HORRIBLE!!!!
By: Lizzie on June 4, 2008
at 5:49 pm
Why do you care what I post, Clark?
If the information is wrong, then it’s wrong. Don’t blame me, blame the person posting wrong information and passing it of as if it’s correct.
Lizzie,
Provide information that proves Christianity did not exist in South Korea in 1918, then I’ll retract my statements.
It can be from books, the internet, or valid information from the library. If the information are in books, it’s guarenteed to be on the internet as well.
But, it doesn’t matter, as long as it is not biased information from someone that is putting a religous twist to the information.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 6:56 pm
Sis. Lizzie, there’s no point in showing these guys the truth of the Bible. Unfortunately for them they have close their ears and not listening to what Christ Ahnsahnghong the Spirit saying to the churches. I’ll keep praying for them and hopefully their eyes will open and their ears will listen to the truth of the Bible.
By: Elijah on June 4, 2008
at 7:09 pm
COGinator said “You as well ask Marcus, Robert, and Poland all have very bad attitudes.”
Can I ask you something COGinator. Have we met in person before? How long have you known me? Do you even know who I am? COGinator, your making an assumptious judgement on me that I have attitude problem but you don’t even know me personally. You have only seen my comments here in this blog but actually you don’t know me.
Also, COGinator and the rest of you who don’t like Church of God and it’s members, why don’t you guys leave us alone. All we are doing is showing you and to everyone the truths of the Bible but if you guys don’t want it then leave us alone. That is simple. So far the Church of God haters here are constantly using the opinion of men regarding the truths of the Bible. It’s not gonna work.
2 Peter 1:20-21 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
By: Robert on June 4, 2008
at 8:19 pm
Lizzie you said, “How can they be called GODS people! The Christianity that was there was defiled…Thats why Christ had to come again to remind them of what they OBVIOUSLY FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John 14:26
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
What did they forget:
THE SABBATH
THE FEASTS
THE PASSOVER WHICH GIVES SALVATION”
Then you said,
“Ahnsahnhong did not follow BUDDAH for 30 years. He was a 7 day Adventist and thats part of the prophecy of the 7 churches… Not only that HE KEPT THE SABBATH DAY!! ”
Lizzie, if you are referring to the phrase “No trace of Christianity” to mean that there WAS christianity, but it was defiled.
Then, your earlier statement which points to ahnsahnghong observing the Sabbath day with the seventh day adventist means nothing.
They are apart of the “defiled” category. Even a member of your church pointed out that they were not observing the sabbath at the “correct” time, so basically, ahnsahnghong was not observing the sabbath either.
His baptism apparently meant nothing and his sabbath worship means nothing. Why even mention any of the two, when neither are important.
Seventh Day Adventist start their observance Friday night by the way
For example:
Friday 9:40pm – Saturday 9:40pm
If you want, I can post the statement one of your COG members said in regards to the SDA sabbath worship.
So “no TRACE of Christianity” means that there was christianity but it was defiled…..that’s interesting. Just say, christianity was defiled, why be vague about the meaning.
Either way you look at it, it doesn’t support your belief.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 8:35 pm
Elijah said: “Sis. Lizzie, there’s no point in showing these guys the truth of the Bible. Unfortunately for them they have close their ears and not listening to what Christ Ahnsahnghong the Spirit saying to the churches. I’ll keep praying for them and hopefully their eyes will open and their ears will listen to the truth of the Bible.”
That’s really ironic. I’ve tried several times to actually discuss your doctrines and show your mistakes and every time you three (Poland, Robert, Marcus) run from discussion. No COG member can hold an actual intelligent conversation. Once the cracks in their doctrines are pointed out they revert to their default “must shut ears, they are evil” routine.
This is called thought stopping. All cults instill this in their members. They then change the topic and post a series of verses that do not pertain to the discussion.
It is not a question of us closing our eyes to the truth. It’s a question of you all desperately trying to cling to your delusion in the face of irrefutable evidence pointing toward your cult being a profit making scam.
The anger Lizzie feels is simply cognitive dissonance. It happens to all cult members when they’re truth is challenged. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological state that describes the uncomfortable feeling when a person begins to understand that something they believe to be true is, in fact, not true. The term describes conflicting thoughts or beliefs and is noticable in all indoctrinated cult members.
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To Robert…well, your post is a perfect example of COG intercontextual nonsese. You’ve taken every single verse and totally ignored the meaning and historical context behind them. For example…
Robert says: Isaiah 33:20- “Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem, a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved; its stakes will never be pulled up, nor any of its ropes broken.”
This verse is spoken to the Solomites (King Soloman’s temple). Zion is located on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, not Korea. It’s the oldest part of the South Western city. On one peak you had a city called Moriah where the famous temple of God was built, and on the other peak you had the palace of King David. Thus Zion is strategically in the middle of these two holy places.
Also the verse is not “2000” years old as you claim. It’s far-far older.
Robert says…
Hebrews 12:22- “But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven.”
I notice Robert, that you don’t post the very next verse. Hebrews actually reads this:
“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly; the Church of the firstborn, which are written in Heaven; and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel” (Heb. 12:22-24)
It’s not the Church of God, it’s the Church of the Firstborn (aka Jesus Christ). The Israelites of old trembled at the foot of Mount Sinai. They were afraid, but then came to a new mountain. In these verses the apostle completes the last great contrast which he draws between Judaism and Christianity, in which he displays the superiority of the latter over the former. The point of the apostle in these Hebrew verses was to convince the believing Hebrews (at the foot of the mountain) of the pre-eminence of the new covenant above the old. This has nothing to do with Ahnsahnghong.
Robert says…
“1 Corinthians 1:1- 2 To the CHURCH OF GOD in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:”
There are thousands of Churches called the Church of God. Anyone can call their church the “Church of God” and then point to the Bible and say “we are the chosen ones”. Also note that Paul mentions different names in his Helanistic letters to the Churches. He calls it the Church of Christ, the Church of the one, the church of the saviour etc. It’s just poetic language and not a legalistic god-appointed name.
Robert says…
“Galatians 4:26-But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.”
Not this again. Paul rejects and CONDEMNS Israel saying that she is a barren woman with no fruits or seed. This is figurative language, not literal. Thus, the “city of Isreal” (aka the Jews), have renounced Christ and can only be “one with God” once they turn their city into a nurturing mother with ripe milk. And anyway, why would you want Chung Gil Cha to be associated with “Mother Jerusalem” when Paul says “The faithful city has become a harlot?”
Also there’s the gramatical argument in which we see that the word for “New” in New Jerusalem is not “neos” but “kainos” which means something that is cleansed. Thus Paul is saying that Israel must be cleansed and accept Christ. Of course the Jews reject Christ, and so Paul condemns them. You’re completely missing the point of these verses Robert. You’re stringing things together to “back up” a superficial myth.
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Marcus said: “The only reason Ahnsahnghong is the Christ is because he is the one the Scriptures testify about. Ahnsahnghong and Scripture are inseparable.”
And yet the Scriptures don’t even remotely attest to Ahnsahnghong or Chung Gil Cha.
The COG uses a web of verses to back up Ahnsahnghong and Mother. Look at Robert’s post (which I’ll respond to after). Each verse is taken out of context and then used to validate another verse. That’s why cults often bounce about from verse to verse when trying to “debate” or “proove” their doctrines.
Whenever someone points out a flaw, they quickly jump elsewhere.
Cult members are trained to think in a very scattershot way, always jumping from one “proof” to the next. This is because their belief is essentially a self supporting web. A supports B which supports C which supports D. Nothing can stand on it’s own. Once you scrutinise one segment, all the others crumble.
But anyone actually properly studying the Bible will see that the Bible has nothing to do with Ahnshanghong or Mother. Basically, a cults indoctrination process is a step by step process in which these segments are all welded together. You get the cult membre to believe A and then he has to believe B.
Marcus said: “Ted the detective thinks he’s got dirt on the COG!”
I fail to see how you can laugh off the fact that Joo Cheol Kim is more concerned about tax loopholes, tithing and tax deductability, when the world is supposed to end in 2012. Obviously the man is milking you for every dime you have. Jesus was a humble man and had no concern for earthly money or possessions. The COG thrive on money stollen from their young members.
Marcus said: “Love how you quote man’s opinions about Biblical matters. The Bible speaks for itself my friend.”
Exactly. And the Bible absolutely has nothing to do with Ahnsahnghong. Instead of debating issues look how you run in circles. You’re now hiding behind the shallowest defence. All cults use the “man is evil, do not listen to them” line as a last line of defence. The COG’s doctrines absolutely crumble under scrutiny and everytime this is pointed out, you resort to ad hominem attacks or change the topic.
Marcus said: “When God created male and female in the IMAGE OF GOD, he called them “MAN”.”
Marcus this has nothing to do with the point I made earlier. It niether proves your point or debunks mine. Of course mankind is comprised of males and females. I think you need to re-read my post.
Marcus said: “Your understanding of the Bible is not your own. It is a mixture of men’s opinions about God’s will.”
Again, you’re hiding behind the “everyone not in the COG is evil and wrong” argument. That’s shallow and simplistic. Facts don’t lie. The Bible doesn’t lie. Logic doesn’t lie. Your only defence is “it has to be right because it is from God”.
You’re overlooking the truth, because you believe a lie.
Marcus said: “The Bible interprets itself Ted. This is something you quite haven’t understood yet.”
Exactly, which is why when we study the Bible we find the truth. If we look at the use of “elohim” and “us” throughout the Bible we can see what is meant in Genesis. The Bible alone proves that your interpretation is wrong. I’ve found 190 examples of the use of the word, which is what I was trying to show you in the other post, but you brush it off saying that these “scholars are evil men”. No Marcus, they’re using the Bible. They’re studying Bible verses and then coming to their conclusion. Are you saying that “elohim” is used differently in Genesis? Are you saying that this one verse is more special and so is different from all other uses of the noun?
You cannot distort God’s will of creation, Marcus. This is why it is stated in Romans 1:
Romans 1:20 “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”
This is what the Bible says about the COG. It warns us about men who distort the word of God. It warns us about false prophets like the COG who try to scam money from people. Cults who are more concerned about IRS loopholes and annual profits than the word of God.
Actually no it doesn’t. Roman’s simply an angry letter by Paul against the politicians of the time. I’m not going to lower myself to your standards, using verses out of context.
Marcus said: “Truth is always exposed in the end.”
Of course it is. Just promise not to do anything stupid on 2012. I know you truly believe in Ahnsahnghong, and that’s fine. Their indoctrination is very powerful. I was in your shoes too. But when 2012 comes and nothing happens at least reevaluate all your crazy doctrines and think about what’s really going on. Don’t just say “oh wait, Ahnsahnghong is merely testing us” and go on giving your money to them.
The Bible says to test all idols with a hammer. If you are unwilling to test Ahnsahnghong now, do it in 4 or 5 years time, when the “end” doesn’t come.
Marcus said: “If you really are a child of Father and Mother, you would know that Mother never said to quit your job or school. She in fact encourages us to be the best employee at the workplace or the best student at school and glorify God with our good deeds.”
The COG needs their members working so that they can contribute money to the cult. No income= no money for Mother.
What they try to avoid is higher education (which of course leads to independ thinking). Thinking is something the COG don’t like.
This is why you generally don’t find people with higher education in cults.
As for Lizzie…Lizzie you’re post is completely off topic. You realise that just because Jews protested against Jesus that this does not make Ahnsahnghong God? The Moonies are accused of being a cult. Does this make Rev Moon like Jesus? No of course not. Both Ahnsahnghong and Moon are cult leaders who hide behind persecution.
“Look how they persecute me like Jesus” they say. But it’s not the same at all. Jesus was stoned and crucified by the government, politicians and religious leaders of his time. In contrast, Ahnsahnghong is persecuted by 8 ex members on the internet. Hardly the same.
Clearly, Lizzie, Ahnsahnghong’s persecution resonates not with Jesus, but with all the thousands of minor false prophets and false idols present throughout mankind’s history.
Lizzie said: “How come in 2000 years NO ONE reminded US about those IMPORTANT & SACRED COMMANDMENTS OF GOD??”
Probably because Jesus abolished them. Jesus was a very rebellious individual who revoked most of the legalistic rituals and physical practises of the Jewish God. Remember the Old Testament God (the one you are quoting) and Jesus (New Testament) are seperated by thousands and thousands of years.
The COG is essentially a pick-and-mix religion. You’re taking the Old Testament doctrines of the Jews, the very same doctrines Jesus rebelled against, and claiming they are someone more valid. But then when it suits you, you jump back to the New Testament and use Jesus to persecute the Jews. So it’s all very childish and back-and-forth.
The question, really, is does the Bible prophecise about Ahnsahnghong coming from the East and does Genesis prophecise about a male and female God. That’s the only important thing to debate. Once you debunk either, you essentially prove that the COG is false. All your posts are just attempts to bury true discussion in ancillary rhetoric
By: Ted on June 4, 2008
at 9:23 pm
Robert said, “Also, COGinator and the rest of you who don’t like Church of God and it’s members, why don’t you guys leave us alone. All we are doing is showing you and to everyone the truths of the Bible but if you guys don’t want it then leave us alone. That is simple. So far the Church of God haters here are constantly using the opinion of men regarding the truths of the Bible. It’s not gonna work.”
Robert, first you guys want to use history to back up your claims about the Passover being abolished by Satan in 325AD.
Then, when the same kind of history is used to against you, you say it’s the “will or opinions of men”.
Do not use “men’s history” as proof for your belief sometimes, only to call it the opinion of men when it doesn’t support your belief other times. You choose when you want to use it, then, ignore the rest because it doesn’t support your belief.
Lastly, if Lizzie’s comment in regards to the post about there being “no trace of Christianity” is meant to be taken out of context or not to be taken literally, then, it wouldn’t support the fact that the person who made the statement also included two other religions (Buddhism and Confucism) to be the most dominant of religions in South Korea.
Obviously, the statement is to be taken as is, which would be, that Christianity did not exist in South Korea because, if you were to take it to mean what Lizzie is saying, then, the two religions included should not have been a part of the statement in regards to what religions were in South Korea. It is not referring to what religion was true or false or defiled.
Here’s the statement again and tell me if it is referring to what religion or church is “true” or undefiled.
“Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who fulfilled all of these prophecies in 1918 when Christ Ahnsahnghong was born the majority of Korea was either Buddhist or Confucian; there was no trace of Christianity in Korea during that time, so it was impossible for Christ Ahnsahnghong to be born in a household of believers.”
Now how in the world would this statement mean that Christianity existed but it was “defiled”?
Nice try, Lizzie.
By: Dark Angel on June 4, 2008
at 9:26 pm
Robert,
You are absolutely correct, I don’t know you outside of this forum, however, your actions within this forum is what has lead me to my conclusion that you have a slight chip on your shoulder. Again, I believe it is due to your frustration that you’ve choosen to be disillusioned into buying the lie, and that we have not. Misery loves company.
Second, let me clarify something for you. I don’t, and I supsepct Jaimie, Dark Angel and the rest of the folk here who don’t agree with the twisting of the bible that the CoG does, do not hate the people of the CoG. Let me repeat. We do not hate the people of the CoG. I know you’d rather think that, as it makes it psychologically easier to separate our disagreement in your churches doctrine, but the fact is we are not haters, just really caring people who don’t want you to go to hell for worshiping false idols. You are lucky that we have forgiving Father in Heaven that will accept your appology and repentance when you finally realize (like Tony) that you’ve been worshiping the wrong God.
And Thridly, you are being hypicritical in that you are choosing to listen to the opinion of men too. You are choosing to listen to the opinon of Ahnsahnghong (who’d burried in the ground), you are chooing to listen to the opinon of Joo, who is rolling in the dough, and you are choosing to listen to the ex-lover of Ahnsahnghong, Mutha J. Who is laughing all the way to the bank.
Keep in mind it is not out of hate that we point out all the inconsistancies, and information changes, and family problems that we see steming from the CoG. You are not being persecuted dispite what your being told during your marathon studies. It is out of love of our neighbors who have had the misfortune of believing a wicked and false way of understanding the bible, that we will continue to attempt to show you the real truth and power of the living word.
By: CoGinator on June 4, 2008
at 9:29 pm
To clarify the Buddhism thing…
Ahnsahnghong was born of Buddhist parents. Buddhism and different forms of Chinese Confucianism are the main religions in Korea.
In his early 20s, Ahnsahnghong then gradually became a Seventh Day Adventist. During the early 1900’s a lot of Protestant Missionaries migrated to Korea with the hopes of converting the Koreans. Ahnsahnghong was “preached the word of Christ” and was moved by it enough to become a Christian.
Ahnsahnghong went into ministry, trained as a SDA and went through the usual channels. He became a SDA pastor, which is where all the church’s “Saturday worship” and “feasts” come from. The COG’s beliefs are very similar to the SDA’s legalistic law keeping and strict Sabbath observance.
These beliefs aren’t something Ahnsahnghong “invented” or “restored”, rather they’re simply the beliefs of his religion: The Seventh Day Adventists. As he grew older and wrote on the subject, he developed his own interpretations and views of the Bible. Both he and SDA’s believed in a premillennial second coming, but Ahnsahnghong took it one step further and tried to predict exactly when it would occur (hence his 2 failed predictions).
By: Ted on June 4, 2008
at 9:34 pm
One thing I forgot to mention…the COG’s “Catholic Church hate” is also straight out of SDA lore.
Ahnsahnghong developed his skepticism toward mainstream Christianity during his indoctrination within the SDA church. The SDA’s see The Pope, Catholics and the Christian churches as being “evil” and “the anti christ”. They believe that during the end times, all these Christian/Catholic churches will oppress truth and steal Christians away from The Seventh Day Adventists.
So Ahnsahnghong’s beliefs are really identical to the church he grew up in- the SDAs. It’s only when Mother took over that it began to incorporate Judaism into the mix, in an attempt to rationalise a female God.
By: Ted on June 4, 2008
at 9:39 pm
“Is there a blessing for Buddhist infants?”
Yes, one can always at any time bring the child to a temple for the monks to chant the Budhha’s teachings as “blessings”. In Asian countries, many temples conduct “Sunday School Classes” where children are guided to follow the Buddha’s teachings.
Since the Buddhist teachings are like air. They are free, and non discriminating. So if one thinks it benefits oneself, then one will breathe the air. If one chooses otherwise, then it’s up to oneself.
Ahnsahghong was free at the age of 30 to choose and get baptized in the SDA that believed:
Jesus is the one who never changes in a universe that always does. Jesus is Creator, Sustainer, Savior, Friend, God’s Son, and God Himself!
Observe the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, in similar manner to Judaism
The doctrine of the Church is the body of Christ, a community of faith of which Christ Himself is the Head. The church is the bride for whom Christ died that He might sanctify and cleanse her.One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy.
The second coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour’s coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide The time of that event has not been revealed
They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested
But these teachings made his mind tickle, quit the SDA and with his page boy Joo and a lot of brainwork the whole concept of “church is the bride” turned to “mother as the bride”. The word prophecy added more spice to the docrtine. Wow! we have 100% truth from the bible.
Lizzie is in bewilderment as to How come in 2000 years NO ONE reminded US about those IMPORTANT & SACRED COMMANDMENTS OF GOD??
What is most astonishing Lizzie how come the SDA’s or the pastor who baptized him was unable to recognize that he is here, the one who is going to bring the passover, feasts and open all seals!!
SDA’s Influence on other groups:
The Worldwide Church of God, descended from a 1934 schism in the Seventh-day Church of God, which was a Sabbatarian Adventist group
Church of God, an International Community
Church of God International (USA) – based in Tyler, Texas
General Conference of the Church of God (Seventh-Day)
Global Church of God – based in the UK, affiliated with the Church of the Eternal God (U.S.) and the Church of God, a Christian Fellowship, (Canada)
Living Church of God – based in Charlotte, North Carolina
New Covenant Church of God
Pentecostal Church of God – headquarters in Joplin, Missouri
Philadelphia Church of God – based in Edmond, Oklahoma
United Church of God – based in Milford, Ohio
Worldwide Church of God (pre-1995; now evangelical, non-Sabbatarian)
World Mission Society Church of God
By: Jonah on June 5, 2008
at 3:44 am
The Chuch of God holds worship on Sunday. See for yourself: http://www.churchofgod.org
In fact this brings up a good point. The WMSCOG claims to never add anything to the bible. Yet when I read the bible no where in it lists “World Mission Society Church of God” as the one true church. So, it’s easily deduced that they’ve added to the bilbe to fit thier own agenda. The church website above may then be the true church of God…unless you believe the true church of god is a collective effort of all the churches that follow the core essence of God word.
By: CoGinator on June 5, 2008
at 6:02 am
Dark Angel,
“Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who fulfilled all of these prophecies in 1918 when Christ Ahnsahnghong was born the majority of Korea was either Buddhist or Confucian; there was no trace of Christianity in Korea during that time, so it was impossible for Christ Ahnsahnghong to be born in a household of believers.”
That was not my post.. find out who the ORIGINAL AUTHOR of it is and stop pointing fingers at me!! Once again none of you can get your FACTS STRAIGHT, not the bible facts or the facts of men! This is the way you expect to overcome and prevail? You have to be kidding right???
If you still believe I did post this tell me the date & I myself will admit I was wrong!!! But I know for a fact I did not post this. YOU EVEN ADMITED THIS on June 3rd @ 8:05 PM
Lizzie,
Yes I know that it wasn’t you who said that Christianity didn’t exist in South Korea in 1918, it was Elijah.
Dark Angel and all of you unbelievers…
Give it up!! Seriously… YOU WILL ALWAYS FAIL WHEN IT COMES TO GODS WILL
YOU DONT HAVE IT AND NEVER WILL!
YOU ARE ONLY FIGHTING AGAINST GOD!
Just admit it!
If you dont believe then dont. Members of the CoG… Dont bother with them! Youre throwing your pearls to the pigs..
Jesus said…
Luke 9:5
If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them.”
Another thing I would like to point out, but I cant remember who said it, was that the CoG Keeps Sunday worship! Then they pasted a link…
http://www.churchofgod.org/
THAT ISNT THE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD!
From the minute I layed my eyes upon it I realized that they were just Wolves in Sheeps Clothing…
What it was… That was a SLAUGHTER HOUSE!!
Cross Reverance
Sunday Worship
They worship IDOLS and DEFILE THE SABBATH
They can only await thw WRATH of our Father, when the end is near!
The CATHOLIC HATE that is there.. is not because of SDA church or the CoG, but because of the way they MURDERED TRUE CHRISTIANS in order to keep their DOCTRINE active.
Our Father warned us about them..
They are nothing but MURDERERS AND ASSASSINS. That want to control all denominations. They want all of them to defile Gods truth one way or another! That is the true home for Satan and his followers!
We have the truth, we follow Christs Testimony.
THE SPIRITUAL ZION (not the physical) WILL HAVE JERUSALEM
OUR MOTHER
Dont accept her, but dont forget they didnt accept Jesus as God in the flesh either. Now he is the SAVIOR SUSTAINER…
You are acting just like the Jehovah Witnesses who still dont believe Jesus as Savior…
If we are not the truth how come we have prevailed the persecution?
Do you know of the story of MIRAMAR?? Thats an interesting story. You should ask a Cog Memner to tell you!
Did you know that Ansahnghongs name IS in the bible???
Bet you didnt know that!
You who claim to know so much about the Bible…
By: Lizzie on June 5, 2008
at 9:03 am
CoGinator said:
“In fact this brings up a good point. The WMSCOG claims to never add anything to the bible. Yet when I read the bible no where in it lists “World Mission Society Church of God” as the one true church. So, it’s easily deduced that they’ve added to the bilbe to fit thier own agenda. The church website above may then be the true church of God…unless you believe the true church of god is a collective effort of all the churches that follow the core essence of God word.”
Did you say it can be the TRUE church?? What is wrong w you??
They dont even keep the FUNDAMENTAL truths!
God clearly said that only he who does the will of God can enter the kingdom of heaven
Matthew 7
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Which day should we worship God to please Him, Sunday which most people keep, or the Sabbath, Saturday, which God commanded His people to keep? It is unnecessary to reveal the answer, because the Sabbath day is clearly Saturday.
So why exactly is this church keping SUNDAY?
After the apostles died, Christianity spread to western regions, including Rome. The gospel was preached to sun-god worshipers, and in the early 4th century, even the Roman emperor had heard the message of Christ. The emperor happened to be a leader of the sun-god worshipers, and when he converted to Christianity, many sun-god worshipers began to attend Church. As time passed, the faith of the Christians weakened, and they began to accept the customs of the sun-god worshipers. During this turn-over, they even began to rest and to worship on the first day of the week [Sunday]. In A.D. 321, Constantine, a Roman emperor, decreed an edict:
“All judges, city-people and craftsmen shall rest on the venerable day of the Sun.”
Some argue that the abolishment of the Sabbath compelled many people to convert to Christianity, but we must not forget that altering God’s commandments was Satan’s scheme. Satan, the devil, opposes God and has historically harassed God’s people, using various methods.
Daniel 7
25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time
He tried to destroy the Church of God through severe persecution. But, taking a close look at history, the more that God’s people were persecuted, the more that they depended on God. When Satan changed his methods of persecution, however, and praised the Church, he tempted the Christians to combine their faiths together. They were given back the properties that had been taken from them, ministers were exempted from military service, and the Church was even given the right to emancipate slaves. Through all of these outwardly positive changes to the Church, the Christians unwittingly fell into Satan’s schemes and knelt down before him. They turned their backs away from God, like an ignorant bear who doesn’t realize that his gallbladder is going to be stolen, only focusing on the sweet candy he is being tempted with.
Jeremiah 5
23 But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts;
they have turned aside and gone away.
By: Lizzie on June 5, 2008
at 9:27 am
Ah-ha Lizzie, you are catching on when you said, “Did you say it can be the TRUE church?? ”
It’s possible they are the ones keeping the fundamental truths…after all they have the true name of “Church of God” with no man made words preceding or following the name like the world mission society does
They were also founded long before the WMSCoG was. Could it be they have a better understand the bible? If Ahnsahnghong or Kim Joo changed the name to something not in the bible it’s not unreasonable to believe they changed the meaning to other ideas and meanings of the bible. It’s not unreasonable to consider that.
Holy moly…I think we are stumbling on to something. Why would they make up a new church name? Makes you think….What else have they made up? Could it be possibly true that the Sabbath was only really intended for the Jews? Could it be that cross really represents what Jesus did for us and is not something to be worshipped but something to comemmerate the gift He gave us.
If the name of the church is fake, could ahnsahnghong be fake too?
Wow, I can’t believe they would stoop so low as to make all this up…
…Frankly I a bit embarrassed with you for even remotely thinking the WMSCOG was even possibly for real.
I guess we can all go home and have a good laugh.
By: CoGinator on June 5, 2008
at 10:26 am
I am waiting to go HOME. As for you… you found this “prison to be your home” And the king of this earth is Satan, so I guess you must hail your true king.
Thanks for assuring us of something we already knew…
Our KING is in Heaven… thats why we are wating to go back to our heavenly home!!
I am sorry that you call this prison home!
As for my brothers and sisters… WE KNOW WHERE HOME IS!
Hebrews 11
13All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.
By: Lizzie on June 5, 2008
at 10:47 am
Lizzie said,”That was not my post.. find out who the ORIGINAL AUTHOR of it is and stop pointing fingers at me!! Once again none of you can get your FACTS STRAIGHT, not the bible facts or the facts of men! This is the way you expect to overcome and prevail? You have to be kidding right???”
Lizzie, I never said that you posted it. However, you did have a response to it. You gave the reason why christianity didn’t exist in South Korea, in which you stated that it was actually chirstianity there but it was “defiled”.
You should be aware of what you are posting, Lizzie. Would you like me to show you where you said that it meant that Christianity was “defiled”.
“Defiled” is the word you used, Lizzie. I won’t waste my time copying and pasting your own words, find it yourself.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 5, 2008
at 10:58 am
Ok Lizzie, here are your words in response to what I posted:
On June 3rd 8:21 am, I said,
“Lizzie,
Do you still believe that Ahnsahnghong was not a Buddhist?
Do you also still believe that Christianity didn’t exist in South Korea 1918?
I think most of you should get your information in order before you decide to worship some guy and a woman.”
Then you replied, the same day at 8:32am,
By: Lizzie on June 3, 2008
at 8:32 am
“How can they be called GODS people! The Christianity that was there was defiled…Thats why Christ had to come again to remind them of what they OBVIOUSLY FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John 14:26
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
What did they forget:
THE SABBATH
THE FEASTS
THE PASSOVER WHICH GIVES SALVATION”
Lizzie, again, these are your words, “How can they be called GODS people! The Christianity that was there was defiled…Thats why Christ had to come again to remind them of what they OBVIOUSLY FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
You refered to the Christianity that existed as being DEFILED.
There you go, Lizzie. That was your response to my question about Christianity not existing.
Now, I think i’ve wasted enough time showing you what you wrote. Do you still want to deny your response to the question?
Again, I never said that you posted it, it was Elijah who posted it and I referenced it in a different post then you gave your reason as to how “no trace of christianity” really meant that it existed but it was defiled.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 5, 2008
at 11:14 am
Lizzie,
I’m pretty much finished with you in general. You should just sit back and let Marcus do all of the posting. You’re nothing but a side-kick, a minion, a comic relief.
It was fun but now I’m bored of you. Know and beaware of what you are posting, before you start yelling and screaming and calling people morons and such.
And if you do not know something, just say that you do not know. There’s nothing wrong with that.
By: Dark Angel on June 5, 2008
at 11:35 am
I agree with Dark Angels post above. Lizzie is so far off the mark in her (or his) posts that I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s on some sort of mind altering drug. I guess the only good news in that is she has a reason for failing to see the WMSCoG lies.
By: CoGinator on June 5, 2008
at 1:29 pm
To all the CoG members,
It truly is difficult to take anything you say as authoritative and convincing because there are so many questions that have been thrown up that you do not answer, nor even acknowledge. Perhaps, if you are truly that concerned and frustrated about us not being convinced by your teachings, you should take the time to address each of those questions thoroughly.
It would do wonders for the amount of respect you get accorded here.
However, if you are not inclined to do that, I suspect that you will continue to be unable to bear any fruit in this place.
Truly, loving God with all your mind doesn’t mean running away from and refusing to answer tough questions. It means going to do some studying to find out how to answer those questions, even if you currently do not know how to answer them. Want a good example? Learn from Josh McDowell. If a person whom you claim is from a corrupted Christianity can defend it so well against arguments raised from non-believers, shouldn’t those who have the true faith, i.e. the CoG WMS members (as you claim), be even more diligent and better than the corrupted ones?
Think about it, and consider carefully the impression you are giving to everyone who reading.
By: Jamie on June 5, 2008
at 4:42 pm
Church of God haters, are you guys still using the opinion of men to criticise the truths of the Bible that the Church of God preaches?
1 Corinthians 1:19-26 19For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.
26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
What do you guys don’t understand that you cannot use the standard of men to seek the truth in the Bible?
1 Corinthians 2:6-16 6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it (like Dark Angel, COGinator, Jaime and the rest of Church of God haters), for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord(Ahnsahnghong’s reminder of Jesus teachings) of glory. 9However, as it is written:
“No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him”— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit(which is Christ Ahnsahnghong).
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom(like Dark Angel, COGinator, Jaime and the rest of Church of God haters) but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:
16″For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
All of you who hate the Church of God clearly don’t understand the Bible at all. Christ Ahnsahnghong showed us but haters can’t see it. If you guys cannot see it now, you guys won’t see it later unless you guys open you eyes.
I guarantee that all of you will never see the light as long as I am breathing. None of you can become a Mason.
By: Robert on June 5, 2008
at 6:05 pm
Bro’s and Sis’, let’s not waste our time showing them the truth of the Bible. I pity them.
By: Poland on June 5, 2008
at 8:00 pm
I feel pity for these misled COG sheep and pray that God shines his light down upon their confused heads.
God warns us of deceivers who will come down during the End Times and place false prophecies in the Bible. They will speak with false tongues and tight lips. They will worship idols and lure men with their lies. The Bible says let no man entice you with tales of feasts and empty practise, for only Jesus can save our souls.
Satan has cast his net and swept these pour souls toward the darkness. These are the end times and Ahnsahnghong is a false prophet who has been sent to draw men and women away from Jesus. The Bible warns us of them. They are the Harlots and great deceivers who speak with forked tongues. But we must hold strong and keep the faith.
There is a great evil within thier church. Behind the smiles I have felt the coldness and anger. Satan is behind their doors and only Christ can fend off this evil.
I pray for these lost sheep who continue to worship this false idol, also known as Ahnsahnghong. May their eyes open to the transgressions being worked upon them by this wicked demon. I pray that Jesus wakes them up and shows them the light. Only Christ can save his lost sheep.
Shine your light upon their heads, Lord. Bless these lost sheep and pull them back into your light. They come from abused relationships and broken homes, Lord. They have troubles deep within their hearts. Heal them Lord and embrace them. Show them the error of their ways.
I pray this in Jesus’ name. Amen.
By: Sister Sarah on June 5, 2008
at 8:26 pm
AMEN!
By: CoGinator on June 5, 2008
at 9:27 pm
Robert and Clark have taken their fight to the Brendoman site
http://brendoman.com/wardwords?blog=40&title=cult&disp=single&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#c80971
Clark is a member of the COG as if we all didn’t know by now.
:-)
By: Dark Angel on June 5, 2008
at 9:58 pm
Well I guessed as much clark being one of them cause none of them ie liizzie, robert elijah etc responded to his post and his usage of bad language. for Jamie They think the road to heaven is very easy with a mother god that sits tight in korea who will be the first one in the lake of fire.
Clark was here as a distractor. Oh cults are very good in this kind of tactics. Since their hacking was exposed they now they try some other abusive method.
Jamie I admire the way you displayed your humbleness. That’s what we call the true work of spirit.
To all who get on this website hope you can see the rise of the false prophet in WMSCOG. Beware of COG and have faith in Jesus Christ only
By: Jonah on June 6, 2008
at 12:03 am
From Dark Angel “Clark is a member of the COG as if we all didn’t know by now.”
Dark Angel, didn’t your momma tell you not to accuse someone if your not sure. Also, could you please do not include me to the same cult you and the COG are brainwashed.
I would like to announce here that I Clark have no part on any Bible cult whatsoever. All I am doing is showing everyone that the reason they argue is because this Bible cult is keeping them busy of looking for verses to keep them fighting each other. So Dark Angel’s group and the Church of God group, ALL OF YOU ARE BRAINWASHED BY THE BIBLE CULT.
I’m actually building a website that destroys everyone that depends on the Bible, how it will show the reality of life. Once it’s up, I’ll make sure it gets everywhere, destroying all denominations out there that depend on the Bible, including the Church of God and especially my favorite the Born Again Christians. Meanwhile, I’ll just make little proofs every now and then and hopefully everyone will wake up from the Bible cult. Science will destroy the Bible, HEHEHE!
By: Clark on June 6, 2008
at 2:47 am
Well Clark, I am glad to see that you are undertaking such a project. Very intelligent men such as C.S. Lewis did the same, and in the end they were convicted of the truth of the Bible. Perhaps this is one way in which the Holy Spirit is drawing you into Christ.
I await the day when you will share how, being unable to prove the error of the Bible, you became convicted and turned to Christ :)
By: Jamie on June 6, 2008
at 3:19 am
Thanks for clearing that up, Clark. My mistake for assuming. Good luck, looking forward to reading your site.
By: Dark Angel on June 6, 2008
at 3:43 am
Hello…
I came across your site by mistake. I read all the postings so far. I am of no denomination at all. I wont side with either. I just dont understand; why if there are people that just want to follow the bible teachings, other persecute with words only made by human opinion. There is no word higher than Gods.
Then I would like to add, why does the Church of God who claim to be GODS HOLY PEOPLE and CLAIM to be patient act in such manner?
If they dont wannt to open their eyes, as you state.. then walk away.
There’s alot of hostile words being spoken here.
If either of you claim to be of God, then you should be humble and loving. I dont remember Jesus acting this way “2000” years ago!
I cannot see or find the truth in this website from either party! All I can see is everyone boasting and competeing to see who’s belief overpowers the other. Too many assumptions.
In order to find the truth, just follow what the bible teaches. Jesus did not die on the cross for this! He died to cleanse us from our sins… You guys are just crucifying him over and over again!
If Jesus was to come back he would die of a double coronary! This isn’t what he wanted his people to act like!
When you PREACH you must have a humble heart not a PROUD heart
There is neither here!
By: Looking4Truth on June 6, 2008
at 10:45 am
Looking4Truth, I agree with half of this statement you made: “When you PREACH you must have a humble heart not a PROUD heart
There is neither here!”
Yes a humble heart, and I believe we who see the CoG for what it really is, have been as humble as one can be while disputing the lies and misconceptions that can only come from the devil. Yes, follow the bible…but don’t twist it into something it’s not.
And it’s not about a false idol named ahsahnghong. They have shifted the importance of Jesus away from him and towards the worshiping of ASH and Mother J. I don’t know about you, but my relationship with Jesus is important enough to stand up for, like Peter did when they arrested Jesus.
These lost sheep are worth fighting for…even if they themselves can’t fight for thier spiritual life. If that’s not being humble….then humble I am not.
By: CoGinator on June 6, 2008
at 2:18 pm
CoGinator
I see where you are coming froma nd understand you completely!
Everyone’s spiritual life is worth fighting for. Keeping the words of Christ alive is my priority. I can see where you believe that they have taken and shifted the importance away from Jesus, but they believe Christ Ahnsahnghong to be the 2nd coming Christ!
They say that the bible testifies about him and that he is God in the flesh. I say prove it to me.. RIGHT?
The CoG have to learn to be more humble. Doesnt it say somewhere in the bible that they have to crucify their old selves (mens way) and be born again w the clothings of Christ?
Jesus didnt boast pr he wasnt proud!
God himself came in the flesh and walked this earth to die for pur sins.. to teach us how to pray to THE FATHER IN HEAVEN! He wasnt proud he never boasted. All he had was compassion pity and humility.
I think until you dont kill the flesh and walk in Jesus footsteps, regardless the religious belief, youa re not walking in Christ.
If Ahnsahnghong is Christ (lets just assume) I dont think he will be too happy with the way the CoG members are acting. I have heard that he never boasted, he was never proud! I heard he was a compassionate man that humbled himself, hardly ate to offer food to the ones he would preach to. Worked carrying rocks on his back for a small wage.
to the CoG members…
If you truly believe in Ahnsahnghong is the 2nd Coming Christ and you want to walk in his ways, youre not dooing it correctly!
Most of you have boasted and actually been rude!
I have no denomination or religious preference… I just believe the bible to be a book of guidance left to us from a divine entity and in order to be worthy to be called Gods people one must act in a manner worthy!
If you want people to even consider listening to your words of TRUTH do as Apostle Paul did. He walked the world humbling himself, punishing himself for his prior sins.
Did you know Apostle Paul persecuted and killed Christians?
He later realized his errors and became one of Jesus most loyal and humble follower. He had the markings of Jesus our Lord!
He only worked for the tuth!
Of all the studying all of the CoG members do, I bet they never heard of PAul saying his church was better because he had the truth! Instead he came to them with the words of Christ with compassiona and humility. It was he who wrote the meaning of love in 1st Corinthians 13
1 Corinthians 13
Love
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is PATIENT, love is KIND. It does not envy, it DOEN NOT BOASTt, it is NOT PROUD. 5It is NOT RUDE, it is not self-seeking, it is NOT EASILY ANGERED, it keeps NO RECORD OF WRONGS. 6Love does not delight in evil but REJOICES WITH THE TRUTH. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Put your childish ways behind you!
Show LOVE. I know for a fact that regardless who it is; whether a cult or not, they dont tell you to boast. your MOTHER and FATHER are not very proud of you right now.
Is this what Mother Jerusalem teaches you? I really dont think so… If she really is the BRIDE she too should be as humble as the Lamb.
Follow their examples!
Like I said I am not here to trash you but to help you.
Like Coginator posted…
“These lost sheep are worth fighting for…even if they themselves can’t fight for thier spiritual life.”
Spiritual life is worth fighting for.. but only if you do it in a humble way. Put yor pride to the side! Thats why we were casted out of heaven. You want to go back in? Then do as Apostle Paul did!
Dont let your God down!
By: Looking4Truth on June 6, 2008
at 6:50 pm
Hi everyone. Sorry but I come across this website and I am a Christian myself and only believe in the Bible. I started reading the post here and it seems like there’s too many harsh words being spoken. I agree with Looking4Truth. But also, from what I have seen throughout my Christian life, I don’t think it matters on what denomination you belong too. All Christians in different denomination are trying hard to follow God and please Him. Unfortunately here, no one is a disciple of Jesus.
John 13:34-35 34″A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
This is the new commandment from Jesus “Love one another” and that would make us disciples of Jesus of we love one another. Does it really matter what practice we do to please Jesus?
Colossians 2:13-17 13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature,[b] God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d]
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
It doesn’t matter what practice a denomination do to please God. This is what the Bible speaks. Believe and follow Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Let me show everyone more from the Bible.
Matthew 5:19 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
How clear this is for all the denominations out there. It’s either you love God or your don’t believe in Him at all. There is going to be the least and great of all of us who love God in His kingdom of heaven. I respect all who believe and tried to please God but to those who don’t believe at all like Clark here are the ones who will not enter God’s kingdom. Here’s more proof:
Matthew 7:21-23 21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Atheists like Clark call on the Lord when he needs Him and same thing to all atheists out there. Everybody is doing the will of the Father except the atheists. I feel sorry for them. God bless you all.
By: Frank on June 6, 2008
at 6:50 pm
Looking4Truth said: “I cannot see or find the truth in this website from either party! All I can see is everyone boasting and competeing to see who’s belief overpowers the other.”
Your not reading properly then, as all the COG’s doctrines have been refuted countless times.
You and Frank seem to be saying that “everyone should be left alone to believe in their own God”. This seems like COG propoganda to me. I’ve seen this happen in several real world debates. Their last line of defence is always “we are just a religion, leave us alone.”
But all cults thrive in darkness and mystery. They don’t like you shining a spotlight on them. Once everyone ignores them, they’re then free to manipulate and exploit others.
A lack of awareness and information helps the cult exploit young people. It let’s them manipulate minds purely for profit.
By: Ted on June 6, 2008
at 7:42 pm
Frank,
I agree with you! Thats what I have been trying to say. The denomintaion doesnt matter! You have to love and be humble. You cant say you love Christ and then want to be served! God Our Father came in the flesh 2000 years ago to serve us!!! He left his heavenly throne to come to earth to get beaten and have hunger pain… God did this to show us love. To show us true devotional love.
I personally dont have a denomination but I believe in Christ our Savior and he will come to end all this corruption. To bring end to this!
Follow whomever you believe is Christ but make sure in your hearts that it is the truth. Dont let anyone lure you to falsehood
Keep his commands always in your hearts. If our Father tells us to preach the Good News (Gospel) to the whole world, he didnt want us to boast about it.
To love Jesus is to love one another..
He told us to follow his examples… LOVE ONE ANOTHER!
Christ was here for 33 years. From the time he was baptized in the Jordan, all he did was teach us LOVE.
Whether it be LOVE ONE ANOTHER or LOVE HIS COMMANDMENTS… He did not boast or he wasnt proud.
The reason the morning start was hurled from the heavens was because he was proud.
The bible is written to teach us and guide us.
God had divine intentions to take us home. I have read & studied the bible for a VERY long time. I have read the books of Ahnsahnghong and just about every other book. Ahnsahnghongs heart was about walking with the marks of Christ. He was a bible scholar. Some called him the Root of David.
He taught the General Pastor Choel the many Mysteries of God! I have been to the CoG website (the Korean one) and I have read a lot of the “sermons” and I can see the teachings of Christ there.
What I dont understand is in that web-page I can see alot of light…
but here in this blog I cant see that light. All I see is harsh words being spoken.
Why attack one another?? This isnt what God has come to teach us, in fact there is a teaching about brothers unity in that website that I think I will post here for all to read!
Put aside your beliefs and see the core!
Beautiful Unity of Brothers
As God said, “I am the LORD; in its time I will do this swiftly,” God is working without rest for our salvation. In these days, we ought to preach the gospel of the heavenly kingdom more diligently in accordance with God’s will, being united with one another in the holy city of Zion.
God is pleased with the unity of brothers
Php 2:1-2 『If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.』
The Bible repeatedly says, “Be like-minded,” “Have the same love,” and “Be one in spirit and purpose.” This shows that it is very important for us to be united, without any divisions among ourselves.
It is God’s will and teaching that we fulfill beautiful unity. We can clearly understand the will of God through things He has made. Think of salt. It is indispensable for our daily life. Salt “NaCl” is a combination of two elements―sodium “Na” and chlorine “Cl.” Salt itself is eatable. However, if it is dissolved into sodium and chlorine, each element becomes harmful to our health when we eat it.
So is water. When two atoms of hydrogen “H2” combine with one oxygen “O,” then water “H2O” is formed. But suppose that the water molecules are separated and only hydrogen comes into our body. It was this hydrogen that Thomas Edison, the inventive genius of America, made his friend inhale and caused him stomachache, saying that he would make him fly like a balloon. If Edison had made him drink water―a combination of hydrogen and oxygen, he would have been all right. It was because his friend inhaled only hydrogen that he was troubled with stomachache.
Nylon, the first synthetic fiber, is a combination of water, air and coal. Suppose that each element remains as itself. Is it possible for water itself to turn into clothes? Or can we make clothes from air or coal itself? The combination of those three produces a new material―nylon.
In this earth there are many elements which God created; they produce precious things when they combine with each other. Though a substance itself is poisonous, if it combines with others, it turns into a new material which is beneficial to us. We are God’s children who abide in the truth. God wants us to be united in love rather than be in disaccord and get jealous of each other. <~~~READ THAT AGAIN!
Ps 133:1-3 『How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! It is like precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron’s beard, down upon the collar of his robes. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the LORD bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.』
In God’s sight, it is good and beautiful for brothers to be united in Zion. As we know, each of us is merely a sinner expelled from heaven for committing sin. We all know that when the 144,000 become united in love, the New Jerusalem Temple will be completed.
If a brother still has a sinful nature and does wrong, we have to encourage him to try to correct his mistakes, so that he may become worthy of entering heaven. Then we will be in perfect union which is most pleasing to God. The Bible makes us realize that.
Eternal life is given by uniting with Christ through the new covenant
Then, let’s consider why we should be united among ourselves in Zion and how to become one.
Jn 6:53-58 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, … Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. …”』
Eternal life is given to us when God remains in us and we are all united with one another in God. Without becoming one, eternal life can never be given to us.
So Jesus says in John 15, “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers.” Through this word God also warns us what the result of our disaccord will be. God doesn’t want us to suffer such a terrible end. That’s why He tells us to be united.
God has given us the Passover so that we may remain in Him and He in us. We can become one with God only through the bread and wine of the Passover, symbolizing the flesh and blood of God.
1 Co 10:16-17 『Is it not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is it not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.』
What is the cup of thanksgiving which is a participation in the blood of Christ? What is the bread which is a participation in the body of Christ? That is the bread and wine of the Passover. Here, Apostle Paul explains to the saints in the Church of God in Corinth the profound meaning of the Passover through which they can become one.
We are to follow the way of God for our salvation. God allows us eternal life by letting us partake of the bread and wine of the Passover, through which we become one with Christ and our brothers. The only way to get eternal life is to become one with God. If we try to find any other way to have eternal life, we commit an act of ignoring God’s providence and plan. <~~~ ONCE AGAIN WE CANT FIGHT OUR FATHER
If it is a chemical law to form water when two hydrogen atoms combine with one oxygen, it is a spiritual law to get eternal life when we are united with Christ and our brothers through the bread and wine of the Passover of the new covenant.
The devil, the evil spirit, is trying to destroy this spiritual law of God. He infiltrates into people’s soul and whispers, ‘You don’t have to keep the Passover,’ or ‘Is it not the law of Moses in the Old Testament times?’ We should stand firmly against the evil force who is trying to destroy God’s principle of salvation, so that we can preach the way of salvation even more.
Ro 11:16-24 『… If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast olive those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. … Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. (THE NATURAL ISREALITES) … After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!』
We were mortal sinners. However, God grafted us into Him by cutting off His flesh and made us united with Him, so that our past sinful nature would be extinguished. We the branches, which were once broken off, have come to life by receiving the sap from the root.
We are to die if we are left alone. Through the truth of the Passover, however, God has grafted us into Him, so that He may remain in us and we in Him. For this reason, the Early Church considered the Passover so important; especially Paul, known as the ‘Apostle to the Gentile,’ preached the Passover wherever he went. Even in this age, the importance of the Passover has not been reduced at all.
1 Co 11:23-26 『For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.』
Through all the above words, we can understand a little bit more why God told us to become one, to love one another, and to preach the Passover of the new covenant to all the peoples of the world.
When all our family members in Zion become united in love rather than to be jealous and exclusive, we shall enter the eternal kingdom, where we will experience eternal life.
Unity for God’s glory and unity for man’s honor
There is one thing we must remember when we unite ourselves; it is that our unity must be established for God’s glory, not our own. <~~~PAY CLOSE ATTENTION, GODS GLORY NOT OUR OWN
Ge 11:1-9 『Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said to each other, … “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” … The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. …』
When people built the Tower of Babel, they tried to distinguish themselves and display their own glory rather than God’s. Then God confused their language so they would not continue to do the work. Though they became one in mind, they intended to display their own glory and make a name for themselves, and God stopped them from doing the work. Through this history, we need to consider again what we should become united for.
If we are united to display our own righteousness, God will deter us from what we intend to do. However, if we become of one mind and one accord for the glory of God, we will receive God’s gracious help which we’ve not ever expected.
Ac 1:12-14 『… When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.』
Ac 2:1-12 『When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. … All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. … Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphlia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs―we hear them declaring that wonders of God in our own tongues!” …』
Preparing for the day of Pentecost, the disciples were continually devoting themselves to prayer with one mind for the glory of God. When the day of Pentecost came, the strong power and help of the Holy Spirit came upon them from heaven.
As they joined together for the glory of God with one mind, God unified all their confused languages. Even though the disciples spoke in Hebrew, all the people―Parthians, Medes and Mesopotamians―heard them speaking in their own languages, as God enabled them.
Both in Acts and in Genesis, we can find the common point―it was that they were all with one accord. However, they got totally different results. As for the former, God unified their scattered languages so they could do His work, but as for the latter He confused their language so they might not do their own work. They were totally opposite to each other.
Now, we live in the last days. In doing the gospel work, we should not win a name for ourselves. It is good for all the brothers and sisters in Zion to become united in heart and in mind. In doing that, there must be a certain purpose deserving of God’s help.
Let’s unite into one for the glory of God
The one whom God helps is invincible. Any worldly weapons are useless to him when God helps him. Remember that about a hundred and thirty-five thousand men, the forces of Midian, were completely destroyed by three hundred men, the warriors of Gideon. How could they win victory? It was because they united with one another for the glory of God, not for their own.
‘We fight this fight for the sake of our God.’ With this thought, they were all with one mind. As a result, all the Israelites, who had been oppressed by Midianites for a long time, could be freed from them with joy. Only a small number of people, the three hundred men, defeated a hundred and thirty-five thousand men. It was because they fought for the glory of God. However, when people built the Tower of Babel, though a great number of people were called together for the labor, it fell down. For they said, “Let’s make a name for ourselves.”
We must not let such words come into our minds nor let it come out of our mouths. Rather, we shall only give thanks to God, who has redeemed us from our sins and given us the way to eternal heaven, in obedience to God’s will and all His commands. Then we will be able to follow the Lamb wherever He goes, won’t we?
We are to unite ourselves with everything, though it is a small matter. When we perform our own duties with one mind only for the glory of God, the last Reformation is to be accomplished.
Jer 13:15-17 『Hear and pay attention, do not be arrogant, for the LORD has spoken. … You hope for light, but he will turn it to thick darkness and change it to deep gloom. But if you do not listen, I will weep in secret because of your pride; …』
All truth that we preach now comes from God. Nothing in this world belongs to us. We are all just messengers of God who preach the good news of salvation to dying souls all over the world. We have to thank God for giving us such a great mission, and devote ourselves to His glory even more.
For the glory of God, every member of the 144,000 is really precious. Suppose that a bolt comes out of a car. Though all the other parts are of the highest quality, if a bolt is inferior and it is pulled out of a moving car, what will happen to the car?
We’ve received the truth and each of us has become a member of God’s workers participating in the mission of salvation in these last days. None of us can be ignored; WE ARE ALL PRECIOUS AND VALUABLE. My dear brothers and sisters! “You’ve finished marching around the city seven times. Now, just shout aloud!”let’s cry aloud with one mind.
Let’s go to heaven together in one mind
Our mission is to save all souls from sin and lead them to heaven, by proclaiming the last Reformation to the ends of the earth. My loving brothers and sisters! Let’s unite ourselves together for the glory of God. Instead of being envious and quarrelsome, let’s be united in love, manifesting God’s love not only in words, but in deed, so that we can safely arrive in heaven after we finish our journey of faith in this spiritual desert.
I think thats beautiful! INSTEAD OF BEING ENVIOUS AND QUARRELSOME LETS BE UNITED IN LOVE!!!
We should have the broad & beautiful mind enough to even cover up a brothers fault!
Those are all teachings from the CoG website.
By: Looking4Truth on June 6, 2008
at 8:15 pm
Hello Looking4truth and Frank,
Although I respect your opinions, I do not agree with either one of your posts. There may have been two occasions where raw profanity was used from someone in the earlier posts but that was perhaps the only time and it perhaps was used by that certain person.
Otherwise, everything posted is a form of expression by both parties non-COG members and COG members.
Calling someone “spiritually blind”, “foolish” is an example. Debates become heated at times and as humans, we tend to get emotional, that’s just natural. In life, at what point in a debate or arguement has either one of you not say something out of anger or in the heat of the moment?
No one on this forum is “evil” in my eyes. Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem are not evil to me as well, they may be deceitful but I do not consider them to be evil.
That’s too strong of a word to use to describe someone who is delusional and believes that they are an Omniscient Being. People have been taking the bible out of context for hundreds of years, why would it stop now?
Frank as far as Atheism, when you put some thought into it, wouldn’t God be considered an Atheist?
An Omniscient Being does not have ANY beliefs. It does not believe in concepts, conspiracies, and contradictions. It knows all, so beliefs are not required.
Overall, we all have opinions but we all know how much opinions are worth, since many consider opinions worthless.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, hopefully, you can understand why they feel your religion is false to them.
By: Dark Angel on June 6, 2008
at 8:28 pm
Ted, I agree.
By: Dark Angel on June 6, 2008
at 8:30 pm
Wow… Whats going on?
I leave for 1 day and we have LOVE EACHOTHER and the CoG are manipulators…
I understand what Looking4Truth and Frank are getting at. They arent saying the Cog members are doing wrong or that you haterz are doing wrong. I like their messege about LOVE! But the truth reigns regardless. And we are the truth! I admit that the CoG members have been a little “rude”, but we have been trying to help all of you see the truth. We dont want to see you perish in the end. We are doing what Christ asked us to do…
PREACH THE GOSPEL TO ALL NATIONS… including the haterz here
The truth is, we dont want to see no one get locked out of the opportinity of entering the eternal rest.
We believe that our doctrines are true because we follow the commandments of God. Not because we have been brainwashed. We are not being manipulated or manipulatiive!
We have seen for ourselves and have realized that it is true… Chist did come a second time to bring us salvation.
We arent diverting the attention from Jesus… We are reminding everyone of Jesus teachings. He prohesied that he would come again. Christ Ahnsahnhong isnt making his own doctrine.. he just is reminding us of Truth from 2000 years ago. The truth that we have forgotten.
We use the bible because Gods words are above ours. We believe that its better to listen to the word straight from God.
All of you speak from your own mouths. We use the words of God to back our beliefs.
By: Lizzie on June 6, 2008
at 8:32 pm
Dark Angel
I am with you in thoughts this time. You are right! I admit when I am wrong or when someone elses opinion is more sound than my own!
When you said
“No one on this forum is “evil” in my eyes. Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem are not evil to me as well, they may be deceitful but I do not consider them to be evil.”
I felt you were a very smart man/woman.
That has to be the smatest post to date. I personally do not consider opinions to be worthless. I value each and everyone of them. That is how we express ourselves.
The name calling in previous posting I still believe are uncalled for.
Those who believe in Christ Our Savior should not stoop that low, for they do not show Gods love.
Religion is the most heated debate ever..
Everyone has their own opinion of what is the Truth. So I can see how its gotten out of hand in here.
As for taking the bible out of context! I agree!!!
By: Looking4Truth on June 6, 2008
at 8:42 pm
I have to admit, Franks and Looking4Truth posts both have remarkable similarities to how the CoG posts are. I can’t put my finger on it, but there are phrases and terminology that seem to try and give the CoG validation. I am VERY skeptical of them being non-biased. Although I could be wrong.
I can love all the individuals that are members of the CoG…but that doesn’t mean I have to accpet their doctrine. I have tried my hardest not to be mean spirited (although it comes so natural to me), and I don’t ever admit to as good a Jesus…it’s a walk that I attempt everyday.
But, to even give them the benefit of being call a denomination of Christianity is something I WILL NOT DO. See ,to be a denomination means you believe in Jesus Christ. The CoG don’t believe in Jesus. They believe in a man call Ansahnghong. They use the bible to, to try and reason why he is God, but that’s when it stops being Christianity and starts being a cult.
In, I don’t know how many posts, they have yet to come even close to proving any of the deviations of the bible. Furthermore, the sheer amount of families that get broken, turned upside down, and strained by this Cult, is proof enough for me to feel very strongly that the CoG is not of God…which leads it to comming from one other place.
By: CoGinator on June 6, 2008
at 9:20 pm
But lets get back to facts…
Lets know more about Mother J. How old is she, what’s her favorite food. Why can she only speak Korean? Why does she need a hearing aid?
I think these are important questions, since she is trying to be projected as God.
By: CoGinator on June 6, 2008
at 9:22 pm
Just an update. The COG are once again trying to hack the new cult watch webite. Just got word from my host that they’ve been using some sort of brute force password device to guess the passwords.
Luckily I’ve just rechanged all the passwords to long strings of gibberish, which hopefully are impossible to guess.
Frank and Looking4Truth, I think you’re simply COG members who are further trying to back out of things and ignore debate. It’s not a matter of “loving everyone” or “Christians and COGers holding hands and going to heaven together!” it’s a matter of exploitiation.
You’re basically saying “it doesnt matter if you believe in Ahnsahnhgong or Jesus, we are all going to heaven”.
This is just an attempt to further evade argument. You’re trying to make it seem as though the COG and Christians are all working toward the same spiritual goal, when in fact the COG is simply a high-pressure, damaging organisation, which manipulates and enslaves young minds purely for financial profit.
By: Ted on June 6, 2008
at 9:26 pm
Exactly COGinator,
Remember Donnie? Well, here are his questions that you COG members ignored:
Donnie said,
Hi world mission church of god members!
Why no-one can answer these very simple and basic questions about ‘Mother Jerusalem’?
What is her name, how old is she, does she have families (children?, husband?) and how did she get inolved in this religion.
Lizzie, would you like to answer them for Donnie?
By: Dark Angel on June 6, 2008
at 9:37 pm
Coginator said: “I have to admit, Franks and Looking4Truth posts both have remarkable similarities to how the CoG posts are.”
COG members learn by mimicry. Their goal is simply to be as “spiritual” as the deacon above them. It’s like a spiritual pyramid scheme in which they want to rise to the next level by assuming the persona of the deacon above.
As such, they’re required to learn the same notes, the same speech mannerisms and act the same way.
Gradually you subconciously become the deacon above you. It becomes your goal to assume his responsibilies and roles and you are punished or embarassed whenever you fail to adhere to this prefabricated “role”.
The result is kind of like a factory conveyor belt, where each drone has an identical cult persona.
Each member has an entirely individual, unique and distinct personality, but they also have a cult persona that is formed by the cult group.
To use Tom Cruise as an example. Tom is a talented actor, which a unique personality. But when he assumes his cult persona, he is a virtual clone of every brainwashed scientologist.
When a COG member attempts to preach to a new recruit, they all use the same pauses, mannerisms, phrases and intonations. For example they will pause at certain moments or use the line “let us now prove”. They ask hypothetical questions and then say “let us show how”, guiding you or manipulating you toward some false explanation.
So yes, these two “new Christian posters” are, at least in my eyes, most definitely COG members. I recognise their speech and sentence construction. I know the way they think. I think they are simply trying to validate the COG by saying that they’re working toward the same goals as Christianity.
By: Ted on June 6, 2008
at 9:40 pm
Ted, I suspect them too.
Both happened to “stumble upon the site”. I’m not into you trying to feed my ego, Truth but thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 6, 2008
at 9:43 pm
I agree with Looking4Truth, everybody has their own opinion. But for Dark Angel, we have the Bible that God gave us in order that we would love Him. I can’t believe you called God an Atheist. Clark is an example of Atheist. Seems like your not a Christian Dark Angel.
Also, for Clark who is building that website, please quit now or else you’ll regret it on Judgement Day. Jaime warned you about it and I agree with her.
By: Frank on June 6, 2008
at 9:59 pm
Wow I’m starting to be the bad guy in this film making Bible cult. Let’s cut to the chase. Although Dark Angel and Ted are into this Bible cult like the Church of God members, let’s keep the discussion as posted before. Church of God members, you guys need to start answering the questions thrown at you. Do I have to post it again from above? If you guys are the true church as you say, why can’t you guys answer the questions that is thrown at you?
What is the real name of your M.J.? How old is she? Does she have other kids other than AHN? How did she get involve in your church?
Also my favorite that I have read. If Ahnsahnghong is the Christ, then how come he didn’t came back in 1988 as he promised? Here’s a good one from COGinator ”
But lets get back to facts…
Lets know more about Mother J. How old is she, what’s her favorite food. Why can she only speak Korean? Why does she need a hearing aid?”
Let’s keep focus away from me and answer these questions that Dark Angel and Ted are throwing at you. You think you guys are gonna get away with it.
As for Dark Angel side, again “Is the Bible litterally written by men or by God?” If you guys use it as a tool to prove that Church of God is false church, then prove it that it is really written litterally by God.
By: Clark on June 6, 2008
at 11:17 pm
Ted said “You’re basically saying “it doesnt matter if you believe in Ahnsahnhgong or Jesus, we are all going to heaven”.
This is just an attempt to further evade argument. You’re trying to make it seem as though the COG and Christians are all working toward the same spiritual goal, when in fact the COG is simply a high-pressure, damaging organisation, which manipulates and enslaves young minds purely for financial profit.”
Ted, the member of Church of God doesn’t need to answer your questions which is not Biblical at all. I would rather learn the Bible than to answer such questions in men’s will. You guys won’t be able to understand the Bible at all and I pity you and your followers. This blog has turned into debate that has no Biblical wisdom at all. Keep them coming Ted.
To Clark, don’t you just love to run since you have no allies at all. Stop bringing your ignorant opinions about the Bible.
To my Brothers and Sisters in God’s Zion, let’s keep preaching the truth of the Bible to those who are seeking the truth. This is our sword, the Word of God.
Hebrews 4:12 – For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
1 Corinthians 2:6-16 – We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
“No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him”—but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:
“For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Holy Spirit who reminded us of the true teachings of Jesus. Guys like Ted Erratic Cheese and his followers depend on men’s will. I pity you and your followers.
By: Poland on June 6, 2008
at 11:52 pm
Now many of our spiritual brothers and sisters are coming from so many different places in the world, according to God’s prophecy―‘Your children will come from afar, flying like doves to their nests.’ This shows us that not one of God’s prophecies can pass away without being fulfilled.
Though they are of different races, all of them have the same faith in the Spirit and the Bride and do the gospel work faithfully. Seeing that they are so quick to understand the word of truth, we can feel that the due time has come and God is giving the power of the Holy Spirit abundantly to all the brothers and sisters in Zion. Whether we are in the east or in the west, we are the people of God and have the same duty. No matter what country we belong to physically, we are God’s people having the citizenship of heaven.
Those who know the value of the citizenship of heaven
One of our church members visited Korea from the United States to study the Bible. One day he asked me, “Is it safe to go out at night here?” I said to him, “You can go out anytime if you want.” Then he opened his eyes in surprise, saying it is unbelievable. He admired Korea over and over, saying, “Korea is really good to live in.” How-ever, there is a better country prepared for us. It is the kingdom of heaven, our eternal home. Having the citizenship of heaven is the greatest hope we can have.
People seem to consider America as the best country on earth. Many people throughout the world long to live in America where they can find various jobs, living out the ‘American dream.’ They make every effort to immigrate to the United States and obtain denizenship and citizenship in that country, so that they can settle down there and exercise their civic rights.
Actually there are not many native Americans except a small number of American Indians. Most American people are from Europe, Asia, Africa: An American of Italian origin, an American of Philippine ancestry, and an American of Germanic extraction, …. Thus, America is a multiracial nation. So it is called a nation of immigrants.
Every immigrant thinks that once he obtains American citizenship, he will be acknowledged as American citizen envied by most people around the world. So many people are trying to leave for America, where illegal immigrants are flooding into. There they endure all prejudice and racism, looking forward to acquiring citizenship someday. They say that their greatest desire is to acquire American citizenship and they will be extremely happy if they get it.
What if they see the spiritual world with a spiritual eye? They will no longer say that, won’t they? Our citizenship is much more valuable, which is the citizenship of heaven.
Php 3:17-21 『 … But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.』
We’ve obtained heaven’s citizenship. God let us know that only those who have their citizenship in heaven can be transformed into the likeness of Christ’s glorious body. If a person has acquired the citizenship of a particular country which provides the right to live there, he is envied by the people around him. How much more will we be envied if we have a permanent citizenship in heaven!
When Jesus came to this earth and was mocked and persecuted by creatures, He didn’t care about it at all, because He was looking forward to a spiritual country.
Jn 18:33-37 『”Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?” “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.” “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. … Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”』
Through the above passages, we are to understand what Christ’s will is. Jesus shows us His will as follows: ‘My kingdom is not of this world which is like a drop in a bucket and regarded dust on the scales. My kingdom is not an earthly country fading away, but the eternal kingdom of heaven.’
Earthly citizenship is not valuable to us. We should be proud of our citizenship in heaven. They make every effort to gain American citizenship in this earth like fine dust. How much more should we labor for the kingdom of heaven! We must not disregard or overlook the things of the invisible world.
Heavenly citizenship for those doing the Father’s will
When the eternal kingdom comes, the most valuable thing is the citizenship of heaven. Even though tens of thousands of people give us their American citizenship cards, we will never exchange our heavenly citizenship for theirs. We are envied by all the spiritual beings in the universe. God tells us how to acquire the citizenship of heaven.
Mt 7:21-23 『”Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'”』
Nobody can enter the kingdom of heaven without the citizenship of heaven. Then, who can acquire the heavenly citizenship? Only those who do the will of the heavenly Father can acquire it. The Bible clearly shows us the way to obtain the citizenship of heaven and also the reason to be rejected.
Those who have American citizenship can travel freely in and out of the country; none of them are refused entrance to it. How about those who try to enter the country without its citizenship? Immigration officers inspect them, asking why they visit the country and how long they will stay there. After passing through the inspection, they are admitted into America.
We can find the same situation in Matthew 7:21-23. Only those who do the Father’s will are admitted into heaven. For God grants the citizenship of heaven only to them. Without the heavenly citizenship, no one can enter the kingdom of heaven.
Even a nation’s citizenship in this earth is given through the admission of the country. In order to acquire American citizenship, immigrants must pass through an examination. ‘Who is the first president of the United States?’ or ‘When did the Civil War break out?’ Examiners ask such questions about the outline history of America, and the people should answer in English. Only after passing through the examination, they can obtain American citizenship.
In the same way, to acquire the citizenship of heaven we must gain God’s approval. Only those who do the will of the Father can enter the kingdom of heaven, because He has granted them the heavenly citizenship.
Jn 8:45-47 『”… He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”』
He who belongs to God is to hear what God says. God clearly commands us to keep the Sabbath, but some insist on keeping Sunday. God commands us to celebrate the Passover, nevertheless some insist on celebrating Christmas. This is an expression of their strong will not to hear what God says. God sternly says that such people do not belong to Him: “The reason you do not hear what I say is that you do not belong to Me.” What a dreadful word! Through this word, God shows us the way to distinguish between those who can acquire the heavenly citizenship and those who can’t.
Heavenly citizenship is given to the people of Zion, the city of God’s appointed feasts
Now, we need to find out where God our King reigns in order to know where we are now, examining the requirements we must meet in order to qualify for heavenly citizenship.
Isa 33:20-22 『Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; your eyes will see Jerusalem, a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved … There the LORD will be our Mighty One. … the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us.』
Here, ‘us’ mean those celebrating God’s feasts in Zion. God is called their King; He is the King of Zion, the city of His appointed feasts. We, the people of Zion, celebrate the feasts. So it is clear that we have a heavenly citizenship.
Isa 51:15-16 『”For I am the LORD your God, who churns up the sea so that its waves roar―the LORD Almighty is his name. I have put my words in your mouth and covered you with the shadow of my hand―I who set the heavens in place, who laid the foundations of the earth, and who say to Zion, ‘You are my people.'”』
The people who dwell in Zion are the ones who have obtained the heavenly citizenship, though they live in this sinful world now. We must feel proud that we have acquired the heavenly citizenship even though we are cast down to a small planet called earth.
If we have the citizenship of heaven, we ought to hear what God says. Now, let’s see if we obey God’s word as heavenly citizens, considering what are the requirements for the heavenly citizenship.
Ex 20:8 『”Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.”』
First, citizens of heaven ought to keep the Sabbath day. Those who do not keep the Sabbath cannot acquire the citizenship of heaven. When they stand before Jesus at the last day, they will beg Him to let them into heaven, saying, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name pray and drive out demons, and help the poor?” However, Jesus will turn His face away from them, saying, “I never knew you.”
“Show Me your citizenship of heaven. Do you know the reason why I have not granted you heavenly citizenship? Have you ever kept the Sabbath holy?” If God asks them such stern questions, what will they answer?
God said, “My sheep listen to my voice” (Jn 10:27). How can they acquire the heavenly citizenship without obeying even a single command of God―”Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy”? So Jesus told them plainly, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”
Second, heavenly citizens ought to celebrate the Passover.
Lk 22:14-20 『And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”』
The Bible teaches us that we can receive the forgiveness of our sins only by celebrating the Passover. So God has established the Passover, saying, “This [Passover] is for you.” It is a qualification for the citizenship of heaven to celebrate the Passover.
If a man commits a crime, he will forfeit his rights of citizenship at once and be punished according to his country’s Criminal Procedure Code. So did we. We committed an unpardonable sin in heaven, and were cast down to the earth. We lost our heavenly citizenship and forfeited all of our rights as citizens in heaven.
Christ, however, came into this earth to forgive all our sins by shedding His blood and tearing His flesh. For the mortal sinners, He opened the way to the forgiveness of sins through the Passover of the new covenant. That’s why we have come to reinstate our heavenly citizenship.
So the Bible says, “Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances” (1 Th 5:16-18). When our faith becomes weak, we can neither rejoice, nor give thanks, nor understand why God has given those words to us. Think of our heavenly citizenship! Christ died for us, so that we might have the forgiveness of sins and the citizenship of heaven. How joyful and how grateful! No matter how difficult our lives may be, we must endure in order to avoid going to hell, a place of eternal punishment. God has granted us, sinners, the citizenship of heaven. Whatever difficulties we face, we are supposed to be joyful and thankful.
Here is one more necessary condition for the heavenly citizenship―knowing God’s name and celebrating God’s feasts such as the Sabbath and the Passover. To obtain American citizenship, people have to know its president’s name. How much more should we know the name of God to acquire the heavenly citizenship! Can we obtain it without knowing God’s name? God said, “My people will know my name” (Isa 52:6).
The citizenship of heaven can be acquired when we always live in Zion, know God and obey everything He has commanded us. We have the heavenly citizenship granted by God. Let us take pride in our citizenship in heaven. God has given us the Passover and let us know what the Savior’s name is; and He clearly said to us, “You are My people.”
What we are to do now is to help all the peoples of the world ac-quire the citizenship of heaven. They do not know the way to obtain it.
When I first went to America for the gospel work, I was at a loss as to how to act. Some put themselves out trying to help me, and I felt so thankful to them for their help. People naturally express their thanks to him who teaches them what they do not know, even though it is a little thing. How much more will they give thanks to him who helps them know the way to acquire the eternal citizenship of heaven! In heaven they will ever be deeply grateful to him for his help.
When we go back to the glorious kingdom of heaven, we will enjoy the powerful privileges of heavenly citizenship. Many people, who have not obeyed God’s commands, will entreat God to let them in before the heaven’s gate. However, Christ will sternly say to them, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” What about us all in Zion? We shall all enter heaven’s gate safely. For heaven is our home and our country.
Giving thanks to God who has given us such a great blessing, let us help numerous people who are longing for the heavenly citizenship. From the east to the west, let’s preach the gospel diligently. I hope all our brothers and sisters in Zion will bear much fruit through God’s grace and love.
Ted and your followers, keep them coming.
By: Poland on June 6, 2008
at 11:57 pm
Jesus is God the Father though.. dont you read the prophecies? Before Jesus was born on earth, God the Father (Jehovah) said he himself was gonna come down to the earth to find his people (read ezekiel chapters 34 and 37) and then when isaiah prophecied that a child was gonna be born into the world in chapter 9 verse 6-7, it says he will be called mighty God and everlasting Father (who is the father, mighty God in the old testament?, JEHOVAH).. You need to understand that the Trinity is 1 God not 3. Trinity represents the 3 ages God is going to administer for our salvation.. each age God the father will have a new name – Fathers age is Jehovah, then in the sons age Gods name changed to Jesus (when you look in John 17 – Jesus, when he was praying said to the Father “Save them by YOUR name – the name you gave me.” meaning the Fathers name became the Name given to Jesus.. then in the last days Jesus is prophecied to come again as the holy spirit bearing a new name (rev 3:12, rev 2:17) Jesus’ new name is gonna be the name for the holy spirit. Jesus does say there is a name in the last paragraph of mathew 28.. Just think about it.. if i were you i’d look into it more. thank you..
By: G on June 7, 2008
at 1:18 am
Frank said, “I can’t believe you called God an Atheist. Clark is an example of Atheist. Seems like your not a Christian Dark Angel.”
Frank again, an omniscient god doesn’t have beliefs, it knows all. An atheist does not rely on religious beliefs. I don’t know what Clark is, so I couldn’t say. Also, no I am not a Christian, but I guess that makes me “evil” now.
Frank, define “atheism”, then define “omniscience” and ask yourself what kind of beliefs would an omniscient Being need to have? Humans need beliefs, not omniscient Beings.
That is why I said what I said. If you feel otherwise, then perhaps you can tell me what beliefs an omniscient Being would have, if it knows all.
Clark said, “As for Dark Angel side, again “Is the Bible litterally written by men or by God?” If you guys use it as a tool to prove that Church of God is false church, then prove it that it is really written litterally by God.”
Clark, i’m sorry but you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. This a discussion about the gods ahnsahnghong and mother jerusalem. As I said before, you’re going to have to come up with your own answer for that.
Poland said, “You guys won’t be able to understand the Bible at all and I pity you and your followers. This blog has turned into debate that has no Biblical wisdom at all.”
Poland first off, Ted is not a god so he doesn’t have “followers”. Second, the bible does not contain information about ahnsahnghong’s life.
Does it contain the made up story of him climbing up mountains? No.
Does it contain the made up story of him denying himself food for no apparent reason? No.
Does it contain the made up story of him getting beaten and mocked? No.
Not only does it contain his made up stories but it says nothing about his real life history. It says nothing about his parents and who they were.
So Poland, no, the bible does not contain anthing about ahnsahnhong. It’s ok, I understand that you refuse to acknowledge his real life history, you would rather listen to made up stories about him climbing up mountains wailing and crying because he’s trying to find his lost sheep.
All of those stories about howmuch he “sacrificed” yet he paid no attention to his own wife and kids, who does not believe him to be a god either, but I guess that too is “a part of prophecy”.
Talk about dead beat dad.
Anyway, I tired of coming here. If you need to ask me something, go to the cult-watch message and address me there. If I have the time, I will respond.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 7, 2008
at 3:21 am
I guess its hard for any of you to acknowledge the fact that I believe all Chistians looking for the truth and going hand in hand together to heaven is excatly what God wanted! He didnt want bickering and arguing I know that for a fact.
By the way.. I did happend to come across this website by google searching for Church of God.
I found it interesting what Jamie posted on the top of the web-site so I read on.
I dont know if they CoG is the real church or just some sick twisted mind washing manipulative organization that is all about financial profit. I have no clue and I am not here to judge.. Thats Fathers job when he comes on Judgement Day.
What I do know is that this “cult” shows a great deal of love in their website.
When I read the verses and the “SERMONS” I omit some things that I find distorting.
I had a similar conversation with a friend of mine that said to me..
I cant believe that Jesus came a second time.. Why didnt we ALL know? Why just them?
I found that to be fascination… Arent we all supposed to know? How and why can only a selected few know?
Its questions I ask myself. What Lizzie posted about it has been given to them but not to us sound rather selfish of God and I doubt he is selfish…
He is known to be a GENEROUS God!
The reason I say I am not of any denomination is because I dont see why attending a church could make me his “CHOSEN”. Thats kind of hypocritical to say. I go to church one day of the week, when I act as a CHILD of God, but the other 6 days I roam the earth, not once thinking of my churchly duties! I prefer to say I believe in Christ oour Lord and I believe I will go to heaven as long as I aim for that.
I too would like to see proof of this Ahnsahnghong in the bible and why cant anyone answer the Mother questions…
I never knew she had a hearing aid (now thats fascinating) Why would God need a hearing aid???
They have avoided many of those questions.
I am particularly interested in seeing the response to those.
I did know that Mother is a married woman. Not to ASH though. I believe that they both have children of their own, he with his marriage.
Why is it that no one has answered or replied to the IRS fraud?
Why are they keeping all that undercovers. Maybe its because they arent informed of it and they just dont plainly know. They do resond with the bible and say its not of God so its not important. I think they should know everything about their leaders. I am not going to completely devote my life and follow someone I dont know.
The apostled followed Jesus because theu knew EVERYTHING about him. I can stop 300 people and ask them of Ahnsahnghong and only about 50 will know who he is.
Its kind of hard to swallow that a Korean man who theyve never heard of is the Second Coming Christ. I cant recall right now where it is but doesnt it state that he will come in a cloud and EVERYONE will know that he has come? Thats why these believers are called Cults.
I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe he will come a second time (whether he uses the name Jesus or not) and I believe the world will know of his coming. I also believe that thos who havent commited grieveous sins will be able to go to heaven.
We are all working for our salvation. Thats the hope of mankind. I am here to help tose be saved thru our Lord & Savior
1 Corinthians 9
19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
I am free just as Paul proclaimed. I am under Christs law only!
I want to help everyone, regardless of their religious belief. We all can be under Christs Law if we believe!
L4T
By: Looking4Truth on June 7, 2008
at 11:38 am
I wanted to get this straight out to those that are enquiring to know:
First off, I dont understand why you want to know about her when you think she is a CULT LEADER and she is heretic because she claims to be God. When we ask our church about our Mother Jerusalem, because we all want to know more about her when we find out she is Christ dwelling on earth. They tell us her birthday, but I personally forgot. I asked my pastor if she was married or not. The truth is she was married and not with Father Ahnsahnghong. They both have families of their own. The reason she came about was because he ESTABLISHED her to fulfill prophesy. He took a picture of her in a traditional wedding dress and in a traditiona wedding stance w him to fulfill prophesy. Then he told General Pastor to save that picture that one day he will need. General Pastor has never questioned Father and did as he was told. When it came to that day the people knew he was the 2nd coming Christ his wife claimed she was THE BRIDE. Thats when General Pastor pulled out the picture.
Thats how our Mother came to be! I just wanted to get that out of the way.
We know his birthday year to be 1918 and that too was to fulfill prophecy about baptized at 30 years old, it had to be when Isreal acheived independanve after many years of not even existing. He fulfilled the fig tree prophesy.
I know what cults are and we dont fall under any cult category. But it doesnt matter because Jesus himself was considered a cult 2000 years ago. The reason they categorized him a cult is because people feel threatend when there is a change of ways. Now he is OUR SAVIOR. Hmmm could it be that we are repeating it again?
Atleast we arent the Jim Jones Jonestown cult. We arent beat in public. We arent told to commit suicide. We arent help prisoners. Thats why there are many ex COG members.. They are free to come and go.
The COG doesnt promote violence just loveAND LOTS OF IT, and thats why we have advanced to the whole world. Theres even a COG in communist countries. All we do is Gods will! We spread the love of God to the whole world. Thats the true way to love one another. Life is the most important thing and we all strive to prolong our life span. So when we preach the word of God to bring salvation and ETERNAL LIFE w the Passover we are LOVING ONE ANOTHER. How did Jesus love us? He came to preach.
Mark 1:38
Jesus replied, “Let us go somewhere else—to the nearby villages—so I can preach there also. That is why I have come.”
Apostle Paul lived for preaching. That was his life, right now he is in heaven with our Father. Why if we do as Paul who only followed Christ you persecute us verbally?
1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
I guess once again we are being part of a prophecy
Mark 13:13
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
By: Lizzie on June 7, 2008
at 2:27 pm
John 15:18
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.
John 15:23
He who hates me hates my Father as well.
John 15:25
But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’
By: Lizzie on June 7, 2008
at 2:30 pm
Sister Lizzie, they really can’t see that Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are testified in the Bible as the Spirit and the Bride.
John 5:39-42 – 39You diligently study[c] the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
41″I do not accept praise from men, 42but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.
God does not accept praises from men. What then is the true love in God?
Matthew 12:46-50 [While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”]
Clearly, those who do the will of God are Jesus brothers and sisters. So if we follow God’s commandments, we are doing the will of God and we are showing that we love Him according to the Bible. So many people I have met tell me the only thing they have to do to receive salvation is to Love God and Confess his name. But…. do you know what kind of Love God expects from you? Have you checked through the Bible what is the definition of Love in the eyes of God. It is written:
1 John 3:18-Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.
Then what kind of action does God want from us?
1 John 2:3-We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
1 John 5: 2- This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome
2 john 1:6- And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands.
John 14:15- If you love me, you will obey what I command.
Deutoronomy 5:10-… but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Deutoronomy 11:1- Love the LORD your God and keep his requirements, his decrees, his laws and his commands always.
John 14:21-21- Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
John 15:10- If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
Why does God continue to say to obey his commands?!! He says Love= Obey commands. If we say we Love God, yet we dont obey his commands God says we are liars in His eyes!!!
Very simple….
If we Love God= Obey His commands.
If we dont Love God= Dont obey commands.
Then check yourselves… are you keeping the Biblical Sabbath Holy as God commanded? are you keeping the Passover as God commanded? are you keeping the feast of God as He commanded? are you truly walking in obedience to His commands?! Please give careful thought to your actions. Dont just say I love you God, but show Him you love Him through your actions. Your God says to please obey his commands so that you can receive salvation. If we obey, we will be greatly blessed!
Unfortunately for Ted, Dark Angel, COGinator and their followers, they do not love God since for them it’s okay to keep Sunday Worship, Christmas as Jesus Birthday, Holy Communion and the rest of the tradition of men that they think it’s the commandments of God.
By: Poland on June 7, 2008
at 8:27 pm
Dark Angel said “Anyway, I tired of coming here. If you need to ask me something, go to the cult-watch message and address me there. If I have the time, I will respond.”
Finally you realize that all of your testimony against the Church of God, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are all based on human standards and you haven’t prove it through the Bible. I can keep referring to the Bible that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ because He fulfill the prophecies in the Bible. Your like the Jews 2000 years ago who couldn’t see what the Bible is testifying that Jesus is the Son of Man. For the Jews Jesus is just a mere carpenter, a son of Joseph. I pity you Dark Angel.
Anyway, in preaching Christ, we often experience the same things as the Early Church did. Let’s find out how the apostles of the Early Church preached Christ who came in the flesh and how the religious leaders in those days opposed them. Also, let’s see who can enter the kingdom of heaven and who are to go down into hell.
The man Christ Jesus
1 Ti 2:4-5 『who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,』
Paul emphasized that Jesus was the man in his letters to Timothy; he used the word “man” before Christ, saying, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
In those days, almost all the religious leaders expected God to work in the spirit, not in the flesh, when He did His ministry as the Son in this earth. By having such a wrong expectation, they fell into the error of regarding Almighty God as the one incapable of having flesh and blood like men; and as the result of their thought, they rejected and persecuted Jesus and they also persecuted many Christians who believed Him in the Early Church.
However, the apostles who were sincere in their faith confidently testified that every spirit denying that Christ came as a human being is the spirit of the antichrist from the devil.
1 Jn 4:2-3 『This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, …』
The saints and apostles in the Early Church believed that it was natural for Christ to appear as a human being when He came into this earth. On the contrary, the religious leaders reproached and opposed them, saying it was impossible for Him to come in the flesh.
Seeing how the situations were in the Early Church, let’s consider why the apostles said the following words:
Jn 1:1-14 『In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.』
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word [God] came into this earth in the flesh and used the name Jesus; He preached the things of heaven to all men and testified to the truth by which they could be forgiven and saved, so that people with a sincere faith believed that Jesus was the very God and followed Him.
Php 2:5-6 『Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, …』
Paul, who is acknowledged as the apostle of apostles, believed firmly that Jesus is God. Likewise, the Apostle John testified that Jesus is God the Word of the beginning.
Paul and John the Apostles viewed Jesus in a spiritual eye, and they realized and believed that Jesus was in the very nature of God. They are representatives of the Early Church as examples of faith for us; they are now respected by all Christians. How were they in their times? They followed Jesus who was not esteemed at all in those days. Now almost all the people consider Jesus as God; but at that time, people regarded Him merely as a carpenter’s son. However, those two apostles were different from the people in their faith.
The Apostle Paul testified that Jesus is God who created all things, in his letters to the saints at Colosse.
Col 1:15-16 『He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.』
While people were mocking and saying, “How could God come as a man?” the Apostle Paul believed Jesus to be God the Creator and followed Him.
Through all ages, there are always followers of the truth and its opposers as well. When people blasphemed Jesus Christ and the truth, afflicting and persecuting its followers, the apostles like Paul and John constantly testified that He is the very God.
People didn’t realize Jesus’ divine nature in the Apostolic Age
All the religious leaders such as the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, who had ecclesiastical authority in those days, turned their faces from Jesus and rejected Him. However, the apostles believed and received Him, saying, “By him all things were created,” “He is the image of the invisible God,” “He is in very nature God,” or “He is God over all, forever praised!”
Those days’ situation was totally different from today’s; it was much harder to have faith in Jesus at that time. About 2,000 years ago, Jesus, like a tender shoot, had no beauty to attract people to Him, nothing in His appearance that they should desire Him; when He preached the gospel, it appeared to be a pseudo-religion in the eyes of religious leaders.
Until that time, animals had been used in all ceremonies for sacrificing to God; people offered sacrifices to God with the blood of animals in worship. So when Jesus said, ‘There is no need of the blood of animals any more since I’ve come,’ there was a great difference between Jesus’ teaching and their ceremonies of sacrifice. That was why they regarded Jesus as a heretic.
Since they didn’t recognize that Jesus is the Christ, they blasphemed God and obstructed His work of salvation in this earth; they even cursed God, falsely saying all kinds of evil against Him.
Jn 10:30-33 『”I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”』
Those days’ religious leaders opposed Christ, saying that He was a mere man but made Himself God. The apostles, however, recognized Christ: The Apostle Paul testified that He is in very nature God, and the Apostle John testified that He is God the Word who already existed in the beginning.
Their thoughts were quite different from those of the religious leaders who already acquired ecclesiastical authority; they thought that God was to come in the radiance of His glory, not in the same manner as men’s. Contrary to their expectation, however, God came as a human being; and He preached, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near,” and warned against their wicked deeds. At this they became indignant, and rejected Him. They regarded Jesus only as a man, while the apostles recognized Him as the very God.
It is the same now. Through the history of the Early Church, we can see it is prophetically described that Christ coming in the flesh is to arouse people’s resistances in this age, too. Let’s see how Jesus was unjustly accused, when He came into this earth in the flesh and preached the gospel and told people to believe in His name 2,000 years ago.
Jesus Christ was called a “Nazarene”
Ac 24:1-16 『Five days later the high priest Ananias went down to Cae-sarea with some of the elders and a lawyer named Tertullus, and they brought their charges against Paul before the governor. … “We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect and even tried to desecrate the temple; so we seized him. By examining him yourself you will be able to learn the truth about all these charges we are bringing against him.” … When the governor motioned for him to speak, Paul replied: … “My accusers did not find me arguing with anyone at the temple, or stirring up a crowd in the synagogues or anywhere else in the city. And they cannot prove to you the charges they are now making against me. However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.”』
There was no charge against Paul, but they accused him just because he taught different doctrines from theirs; Paul was accused of believing in God, not of committing a crime.
In those days, the gospel of Jesus Christ already spread all over Jeru-salem and other regions. However, at that time people didn’t recognize Jesus to be in very nature God, and they charged Him unjustly with her-esy―‘the Nazarene sect.’ The religious leaders also brought the Apostle Paul into governor’s court by reason that he believed Jesus as God. It was natural for the two groups to be opposed to each other; for one group taught that Jesus is the very God, and the other objected to it, saying, “How can you say that Jesus, a mere man, is God?”
Spiritually, the antagonism between the two can be explained as the enmity between God and Satan. When Paul was taken to court, he asked them what crime they found in him. Actually, they found no basis for a charge against him. For he just preached that Jesus Christ is God and He rose from the dead and so whoever believes in Him would not taste death but be resurrected.
Disputing with them, he said that he followed the way which they called a sect (heresy, KJV). The way was not really heresy, was it? Let’s see what Jesus said about those who called Him the Nazarene.
Mt 23:13-15 『”Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.”』
Jesus said to the religious leaders esteemed in those days, “Woe [Curse] to you.” He said that they shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces, for they hindered people from entering the kingdom by any means, saying, ‘How can Jesus, a mere man, be God? He was unlearned.’ With such evil speakings, they constantly tried to hinder people from having faith in Christ.
They kept the people from recognizing God who came into this earth and made them take the lead in opposing God and do more evil than before. So the Bible says that they make each of them twice as much a son of hell as they are.
They can never enter the kingdom of heaven. Ananias, Tertullus, false elders and all the Jews who stood by them … Where are they now? They are tormented in hell; the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.
A new religion preaching Jesus
The Bible says that Christ will appear a second time to those who are waiting for Him (Heb 9:28). All the 66 books of the Bible testify to Christ’s second coming. However the religious leaders, who have already obtained ecclesiastical authority, would not receive Christ.
So concerning those people, Jesus said, ‘You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. You make them twice as much a son of hell as you are.’ There arose lots of arguments between gospel preachers and existing religious leaders.
Ac 5:26-28 『At that, the captain went with his officers and brought the apostles. They did not use force, because they feared that the people would stone them. Having brought the apostles, they made them appear before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest. “We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name,” he said. “Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man’s blood.”』
The apostles proclaimed, “Jesus is God,” and the gospel was regarded as a new religion which the Jews had never heard before. This caused a great argument among them.
To the people who detested the corruption of the religious leaders in those days, the gospel of Christ was a refreshing rain and the water of life appeasing their thirst. The number of believers grew to about three thousand or five thousand a day.
Ac 4:2-21 『They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead. They seized Peter and John, and because it was evening, they put them in jail until the next day. But many who heard the message believed, and the number of men grew to about five thousand. … “What are we going to do with these men?” they asked. “Everybody living in Jerusalem knows they have done an outstanding miracle, and we cannot deny it. But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn these men to speak no longer to anyone in this name.” Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John replied, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.” After further threats they let them go. They could not decide how to punish them, …』
In a day, about five thousand men repented and received Jesus as the Savior. When the religious leaders saw such a great thing happen, they were greatly astonished. They were afraid of losing their authority over religion; it was of secondary importance to them whether they had a sincere faith in God or not.
They made all efforts to stop the apostles; they arrested and threatened and warned them, having them flogged and putting them in the public jail. Despite all that, the number of believers increased all the more. The apostles had longed for the truth and waited for the kingdom of God; they were not dispirited at all, even though many falsely incriminated them, spreading vicious rumors. The gospel spread to Samaria and to the ends of the earth. The world couldn’t stop the work of God.
The gospel prospered even in tribulation and persecution
In the days of Nehemiah, Sanballat and Tobiah took the lead in hindering the Israelites from building the temple. They scorned and ridiculed them, saying, “If even a fox climbed up on it, he would break down their wall of stones!” Thus, they brought so many troubles on Israel. Despite such hindrances, all the officials and leaders of the Jews continued building the temple, being one in mind; half of them did the work and half stood guard, holding spears and shields (Ne 4:1-23).
At last they finished building the temple. When all their enemies heard this, they were afraid and lost heart, because they realized that the work had been done with God’s help (Ne 6:15-16).
Even in persecution and affliction, the apostles were burning all the more with a sure faith in Christ. Where are they now? They are comforted by God in the eternal kingdom of heaven. Where is the Apostle Paul who proclaimed that Jesus is God? He is at rest forever in the glorious kingdom which no one has ever seen or heard or thought.
How about the high priests and religious leaders who brought a false charge of ‘a ringleader of the Nazarene sect’ against Paul and afflicted him? Where are they now?
Promise of victory through great fight
If many religions had hope for heaven, they would not be conformed to this world but pursue the truth of the Bible. But they do not follow it, just like the religious leaders in the time of the Early Church.
The 144,000, spiritually represented as materials for the temple, repent and receive the Christ, seeing the light of the Spirit and the Bride and hearing Their voices. All unreasonable things that happened in the Early Church are occurring in this age, too, according to the prophecies. However, even under such circumstances, we are not disheartened; for God gives courage and comfort to us, who will enter the kingdom of heaven. The Bible says:
Rev 12:17 『Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring―those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea [the sand of the sea, KJV].』
The sand of the sea represents human society, which the dragon dominates; he is standing on it to fight against the rest of her offspring. The spiritual fight is to be made. However, the Bible says that mighty is God who wins a victory over the dragon. The Apostle John saw how the spiritual war would start and how it would come to an end. Eventually, the devil will be thrown into the lake of burning sulfur.
Worthy life and the way of faith
Life is too short. We can’t even live to be a hundred.
Ps 90:10 『The length of our days is seventy years―or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.』
Then, how should we live such a short life? We should live right before God. Though we are hindered and troubled by our enemy the devil, though the truth is maligned, we should follow the truth.
We must keep the faith to the end, as did our forefathers of faith and the apostles such as Paul, Peter and John. Like them, we too shall live happily forever, together with God and thousands upon thousands of angels in the glorious kingdom.
In the days of the Early Church, when the apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit and wrote the Bible, they put the word ‘the man’ before ‘Jesus’ and said, “Every spirit that does not acknowledge that Christ has come in the flesh is the spirit of the antichrist.” This shows how much people mocked and hindered them, saying that Jesus is merely a man. Considering how the apostles were in those days, let’s trust in the name of God the Holy Spirit―the Savior of this age―and proclaim the name to the whole world, as the heavenly children who will enter the everlasting kingdom.
Ted and your followers, keep them coming. I hope that you guys will see Bible’s truth that Christ Ahnsahnghong showed us.
By: Poland on June 7, 2008
at 9:28 pm
Poland said, “Finally you realize that all of your testimony against the Church of God, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother are all based on human standards and you haven’t prove it through the Bible. I can keep referring to the Bible that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ because He fulfill the prophecies in the Bible. Your like the Jews 2000 years ago who couldn’t see what the Bible is testifying that Jesus is the Son of Man. For the Jews Jesus is just a mere carpenter, a son of Joseph. I pity you Dark Angel.”
Poland, if you want me to respond to your comments, please address me on the cult-watch message board. The text on this blog is just too small for my eyes.
Lastly, you personally, have not proven anything nor has any other COG member.
Again, if you want to address me, go to the cult-watch message board. Stop leaving antagonizing comments here to lure me back into posting on this blog.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 7, 2008
at 10:40 pm
Dark Angel said “Poland, if you want me to respond to your comments, please address me on the cult-watch message board. The text on this blog is just too small for my eyes.
Lastly, you personally, have not proven anything nor has any other COG member.
Again, if you want to address me, go to the cult-watch message board. Stop leaving antagonizing comments here to lure me back into posting on this blog.”
The reason you don’t see the truth in the Bible is because you keep closing your ears on what is really testified in the Bible.
Revelations 2:16-17 – Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.
Dark Angel, you clearly don’t know what the Bible testifies. The white stone represents Jesus with the new name which is Ahnsahnghong. The reason you don’t understand is because you haven’t receive Christ Ahnsahnghong as Jesus in a new name. Poor Dark Angel. Keep them coming.
By: Poland on June 7, 2008
at 10:55 pm
Also, do not think that I am avoiding your comments.
Here’s the link to the message board so that you won’t try to repsond to my post “behind my back” when I’m giving you the opportunity to address me on a different platform where the words are not congested.
This is an invite and I hope to see you there, Poland.
Link to cult-watch message board
http://ahnsahnghong.proboards102.com/index.cgi#general
I hope that i’ve made myself clear enough for you. I don’t leave vague comments and mysteries for people to solve. I get to the point.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 7, 2008
at 10:58 pm
It is the duty of children to obey their parents. Likewise, the fundamental duty of man is to know God and obey His commands. All people ought to recognize God who’s come into the world as the true light. However, it is not easy for them to recognize Him because the devil, called the “god of this world,” has blinded their minds, so that they cannot see the light of the glory of Christ (2 Co 4:4).
Hos 6:1-3, NASB 『…So let us know, let us press on to know the LORD. His going forth is as certain as the dawn; And He will come to us like the rain, Like the spring rain watering the earth.』
Here God tells us that the knowledge of God is the condition of receiving the Holy Spirit of the latter rain. We should have correct knowledge of God, so that we may be fully armed with the Holy Spirit to fulfill the prophecy that the least of us will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation.
So the Bible advises us to press on to know God and build our faith firmly on the rock.
God of male image and God of female image
In the process of knowing God, let us find out that God has both genders.
Ge 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
We call our Creator “God Most High,” and we think He is one. However, in Genesis we can see that the plural Gods made all creatures, including man, saying, “Let us make man ….”
If an artist draws a male model, a portrait of a man will be painted; and if he draws a female model, a portrait of a woman will be painted. God our Creator made man in His own image, and male and female were created. This indicates that there are both male and female images in God.
Until now most Bible scholars have characterized God only as male, calling Him ‘Father.’ They’ve not spoken of God as female. The Bible characterized God as both male and female, but it was contrary to their custom and doctrine. So they have regarded it as a heresy to believe that there is Mother God as well as Father God and intentionally ignored it.
However, surely there is a time for the truth to be revealed. Remem-ber that God mentioned it as a condition for receiving the Holy Spirit to press on to know Him. Everyone in the world does know the God who divided the Red Sea. Even non-Christians know the God who created Adam and Eve, the God who made all things in six days.
What should we press on to know about God then? It is that there exists a female God as the Mother as well as a male God as the Father. When we understand this correctly, we can have full understanding of all the principles of life and wisdom described in the 66 books of the Bible.
Adam and Even were created in God’s image. At first God made Adam and then He decided to create a helper for him. He caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep and made Eve from one of his ribs (Genesis 2).
Why did Adam need his helper, Eve? Man cannot give birth to children and breastfeed them. God entrusted such things to woman when He created human beings.
When God created Adam and Eve, each of them had a duty. Adam was a pattern of the one to come (Ro 5:14). Thus his wife, Eve, represents the wife of the Lamb, the Christ to come a second time. Such a great truth is hidden in Genesis.
We need to understand what the ministry of the male God is and what the ministry of the female God is. This is the start point for our knowledge of God.
Giving life is the role of Mother
Let’s add to the knowledge of God through His providence of creating man in His own image.
Ge 2:4-24 『… the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. … But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh. The the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.』
Ge 3:20 『Adam named his wife Eve (which means life), because she would become the mother of all the living.』
Through this providence described in Genesis, we can understand that Adam is a type of Christ, Eve represents His wife and all mankind living on earth represent Their children: Abel symbolizes those who will be saved and Cain those who will not be saved.
The history of mankind controled by Gods [Elohim]
Let’s see the Gods work together, saying, “Let us ….”
Ge 11:1-9 『Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. … Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. The LORD said, “… Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. That is why it was called Babel―because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.』
In Genesis 1 God made male and female, saying, “Let us make man ….” In Genesis 11, we see the Gods working together, saying, “Let us …”; we find the male and female Gods breaking the pride of men and stopping them from doing their evil work.
Isa 6:7-10 『… Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!” …』
In the book of Isaiah God said, “Who will go for us?” not saying, “Who will go for me?” Here we can also understand that both God the Father and God the Mother work together and lead the gospel work for our salvation.
In many Biblical verses we see God working together, saying, “Let us ….” In the Hebrew text, the word for God in the singular sense is El or Eloha and its plural form Elohim means Gods.
Elohim [Gods] created all things, including mankind, saying, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” From the beginning God the Father and Mother have been working together; They worked together to break the pride of men by stopping them from building the Tower of Babel, saying, “Let us go down …,” and They also worked together on calling the prophet Isaiah, saying, “Who will go for us?” Thus, Elohim, God the Father and God the Mother, worked together.
God is to appear as the Spirit and the Bride in due time
Now, let’s find out when Elohim, existing in spirit, appears in the flesh. The Elohim Gods worked together in the beginning of Creation, and will be together to complete the Creation.
1 Ti 6:15-16 『which God will bring about in his own time―God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.』
The Bible says that God will show us His appearing in due time. If He reveals Himself visible to our eyes, it means He will come in the flesh. In the likeness of men, in the likeness of male and female, God is prophesied to come to this earth, being made a little lower than the angels. However He is the very God who has been working out a 6,000 year plan of salvation since Adam.
There is the Savior’s name for each age, but the name of God as female does not appear. For God the Father stands as a representative, just as only a father’s name appears on a doorplate in the home though there is a mother.
In the book of Romans it is described that through one man, Adam, sin entered the world. Actually, it was Eve who sinned first, but only Adam’s name was representatively mentioned. It is the same with the Savior’s name for each age; only the name of God the Father has been representatively used.
Only God can give us life, for He alone has immortality. Let’s see how God the only eternal Being will appear in due time.
Rev 22:17 『The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.』
Here we can see that God has appeared as the Spirit and the Bride in due time to give us the water of life.
Rev 19:6-8 『Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)』
Rev 21:9-10 『One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jeru-salem, coming down out of heaven from God.』
The Lamb and His Wife are God the Father and God the Mother, who have appeared in due time. Our Father and Mother have appeared to give Their children life in the last days.
The book titled “The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life” (Chapter 24) describes that the Spirit and the Bride will appear and lead the Gentiles to be saved. God prophesied that He would show His appearing, and the prophecy has been fulfilled. God alone is the one who gives us life, and the Spirit and the Bride now give us the water of life. They are the very God who has appeared to us.
The serpent [the devil] is the enemy of the woman [Mother]
The Bible tells us that there is an enemy who tries to hinder us from acknowledging this truth of Elohim―God the Father and God the Mother, so that we cannot receive the blessing of eternal life. The enemy is the devil who tries to lead us into the way of death by preventing us from knowing God who gives us the water of life.
Ge 3:14-15 『So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”』
This prophecy was partially fulfilled through Jesus at His first coming. The devil is our enemy because he has become the enemy of Elohim―especially God our Mother.
The serpent [the devil] is a perpetual enemy of the woman. The woman, our Mother, leads us into life, but the serpent [the devil] tries to lead us into death. From the beginning there was enmity between them, and to the very end of the age the enmity will continue. He constantly hinders the truth about Mother through various tricks. To prevent us from knowing Mother who gives us life, he denies the Biblical records of Elohim working together by every tricky word and scheme. Thus, he tries his utmost to swallow our souls and lead us into death.
The more the devil hinders us, the more we should be alert and self-controlled, so that we may resist the devil with the correct knowledge of God.
The new covenant reveals God the Mother
Through the new covenant we can reach full knowledge of God. The Bible says that the law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ (Gal 3:24). So, let us come near to Elohim [Gods] through the new covenant.
Jer 31:21-22 『…The LORD will create a new thing on earth―a woman will surround a man.』
Jer 31:31-34 『”The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. …” “This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the LORD. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”』
Jeremiah 31:22 states that a new thing is a woman’s surrounding a man. And in the verse 31, the new thing is described as the making of a new covenant.
When physically interpreted, a woman’s surrounding man is not a new thing at all. But considering spiritually, we can see that it has a very profound meaning. The woman [Eve] was a part of the man [Adam], for she was formed from his rib. If God had not taken a rib from the man and made the woman of it, how would the woman, residing within the man, surround him? So the new thing God prophesied means an unprecedented thing―the appearing of Mother who has resided within God the Father.
The new thing is to be created in the world by God’s making the new covenant. God said that through the new covenant He would write His law on our hearts. He added, “I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach …, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”
“I will be their God ….” Here God is called “Elohim” in the original Hebrew text. When we realize Elohim [Gods] through the new covenant, we will all know God, from the least of us to the greatest, just as God said.
In the book of Galatians we see that Sarah represents the new covenant and our Mother.
Gal 4:21-26 『These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenant. … Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our Mother.』
Thus, Sarah represents the new covenant and our Mother, the Jerusalem above. Through the new covenant we’ve found the existence of our Mother. Hosea says, “Let us know, let us press on to know the LORD.” We have fulfilled this word by knowing Elohim―God the Father and God the Mother―through the new covenant, so that we can all know God, from the least of us to the greatest.
The offspring of the woman wins in the end
Even God’s chosen people, if they have no knowledge of God, are destroyed (Hos 4:6). Knowing this, the devil tries to hinder the truth about Mother and swallow up even the elect as the enemy of the Mother until the end of the age. John saw the revelation that the dragon, the enemy of the woman, stood on the shore of the sea to make war against the rest of her offspring. And this prophecy is now being fulfilled before our very eyes: The dragon, the ancient serpent called the devil, is mobilizing numerous people like the sand on the seashore, so-called Christians, to oppose Mother and us who follow Her (Rev 12:17).
We are inferior in numbers. However, we don’t need to be afraid of them at all, for God has assured our Mother’s victory from the beginning. The Bible describes the final destiny of the devil and the offspring of the woman as follows: The devil will be tormented in the lake of unquenchable fire, and the offspring of the woman will receive the crown of life as an ‘overcomer’ and enjoy the heavenly inheritance for ever and ever.
It was Elohim who created man, saying, “Let us make man in our image,” punished men for their evil work of building the Tower of Babel, saying, “Let us go down …,” and called Isaiah to be a prophet, saying, “Who will go for us?” Thus, the Elohim Gods, both male and female, worked together. They have appeared as the Spirit and the Bride in due time―in the last days―according to the promise, in order to give us life. We now live under the rule of the Elohim Gods and give Them glory, rejoicing and being glad.
Now, let’s open our spiritual eyes wide. Our Mother, the heavenly Jerusalem, has come to this earth to give us eternal life. As Her children, we should rejoice with Her and mourn over Her (Isa 66:10-14). As the children of the heavenly Parents, who rule and lead us, we shall follow the Spirit and the Bride wherever They go.
Ted and your followers, keep them coming.
By: Poland on June 7, 2008
at 11:00 pm
Dark Angel, why are you scared to talk here? This is a neutral arena for us. I’d like you to keep posting your dirts on Church of God based on “HUMAN STANDARDS” which has nothing to do with the Bible. KEEP THEM COMING.
By: Poland on June 7, 2008
at 11:07 pm
To Poland and any other COG member,
If you want to address me personally, go to the cult-watch message board or you can go to the Brendoman message board. It doesn’t matter.
http://ahnsahnghong.proboards102.com/index.cgi#general
OR you can invite me to the proclaim ahnsahnghong message board, I would rather go there and post but COG members are only allowed.
That’s just too bad.
http://ahnsahnghong.proboards102.com/index.cgi#general
I’ll be waiting. Until then, stop addressing because you will NOT get a response again after this.
Comprende?!
By: Dark Angel on June 7, 2008
at 11:11 pm
Not sure if this went through or not but i’ll try again…
To Poland and any other COG member,
If you want to address me personally, go to the cult-watch message board or you can go to the Brendoman message board. It doesn’t matter.
OR you can invite me to the proclaim ahnsahnghong message board, I would rather go there and post but COG members are only allowed.
That’s just too bad.
I’ll be waiting. Until then, stop addressing because you will NOT get a response again after this.
Comprende?!
Also, Poland. any “dirt” I post are from the words of other COG members. You all should share the same way of thinking and not contradict one another.
How is this a “neutral area”? The same people who are posting here, are the same people who are posting on the cult-watch site, which includes:
Me, COGinator, Ted and sometimes Jaime. Everyone else gives their room for the COG to post whatever they want.
Just cut it out, Poland. I see what you are doing here.
I’ve already told you how you can reach me.
Again, I hope to see you there…
By: Dark Angel on June 7, 2008
at 11:20 pm
Dark Angel said “Also, Poland. any “dirt” I post are from the words of other COG members. You all should share the same way of thinking and not contradict one another.”
Clearly, your just blind to find the truth in the Bible. Now, the gospel is being preached to the whole world―from the east to the west. God’s work will be swiftly accomplished in His due time. As the time is near, Satan is slandering us more fiercely. We, God’s people, may suffer more trials, hardships, persecution and temptation than we have ever suffered before.
Through the Bible, let’s see how Satan slanders the truth of God and how God overcomes him after all (Rev 18), so that we may also overcome, standing firm in faith with joy.
The Bible prophesies that God will overcome the hindrance of Satan and defeat him in the end. However, in the process of overcoming there are continually lots of critical moments. You and I, who live in this end time, should do our best to run the race of faith, having strong confidence, until the moment when the door of the kingdom of heaven is opened.
God said, “Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.” Holding on to this hopeful promise, let’s overcome the devil’s hindrances in reliance on God.
Christ’s apostles and deceitful workmen
Today, there are innumerable churches in the world. Apparently they seem to be established to serve God; they put up crosses and cry to the people, ‘Come to our church to hear the gospel of Christ.’ Through God’s teachings in the Bible, however, we require to see whether or not they follow God’s will―whether they base their teachings and deeds on the Bible or not.
Since the creation of the world, the devil our enemy has been trying to deceive all people, even God’s people, if possible, by any means.
Now, let’s see how the devil hinders God’s children to make them give up their faith.
2 Co 11:13-15 『For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerades as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.』
The Bible says that it is no great thing if Satan’s servants disguise themselves to look like servants of righteousness. When Satan and his servants approach us, disguising themselves as angels of light and servants of righteousness, we should discern whether their teachings and deeds are true or false. It is very important.
Then, why do Satan’s servants masquerade as servants of righteousness? They do that for the only one purpose of leading people, even God’s chosen ones, to hell by deceiving them. If they disclosed their identity as Satan’s, no one would believe them. To make themselves look like servants of righteousness, they frequently use these words―”We love God,” “We should love our neighbors,” “We follow the teachings of Christ.”
Let’s see what Jesus said concerning their leading the souls to death by disguising themselves as servants of righteousness.
Mt 23:13 『”Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.”』
Satan’s servants, masquerading as servants of righteousness, shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces; they themselves do not enter, nor do they let those enter who are trying to. It is God’s servants who lead people to heaven, not Satan’s servants. They themselves do not enter; moreover they do not allow those who are trying to enter. They disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
When we are aware of this fact, we can rescue our brothers and sisters from the Satan’s snare, and lead them to the truth. Now, we require discretion and strong faith. When our faith becomes firm and steadfast, God will open our spiritual eyes to see, ears to hear and minds to understand, so that we may not be deceived by Satan though his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.
Let’s see how Satan’s servants hide the kingdom of heaven from people.
Mk 7:6-7 『He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: ‘people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”』
Satan’s servants use human rules as a method to make people far from God―to shut off the kingdom of heaven from them. Through men’s rules, they make people, so-called Christians, ignore God’s laws and worship the sun god detestable to God; the door to the kingdom of heaven is shut from them, and their hearts get farther from God. If they were taught by God’s servants, they would keep God’s commandments and come near to God―they would run toward the kingdom of heaven.
There are still many souls who are deceived by Satan’s servants and follow the way of death. We must not leave those souls alone but let them know who Satan’s servants are and what their schemes are. Those who have already been deceived think that Satan’s servants also believe in God because they speak about God and the Bible, disguising themselves as servants of righteousness. However, if we pay a little more attention to what they say, we can easily see that they speak falsehood completely against what the Bible says.
Satan’s servants seem to honor God with their lips. Actually, they deceive people with men’s rules and make them worship God in vain. Let’s open our eyes and look around us. How many people are de-ceived! We should not merely watch them but boldly tell them what is false and what is true.
Let them distinguish truth from falsehood
Now, we ought to make the people, who do not distinguish truth from falsehood, know the real identity of Satan disguising himself as an angel of light. There are many who are taught by men’s rules and follow them, being confused into thinking that they worship God and will go to the kingdom of heaven by keeping men’s rules. We should lead them to God.
Ps 14:1-3 『The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.』
There is no one who does good or seeks God, for all have been taught by men’s rules. Then, who can enter the kingdom of heaven? None of those who are deceived by Satan’s servants can imagine their shutting the kingdom of heaven, for they honor God with their lips. For several thousand years, numerous people have been taught by men’s rules, deceived by Satan’s servants, and have firmly believed that they will go to the kingdom of heaven through men’s rules such as Christmas, Sunday service and the veneration of the cross.
Since they’ve been bound by Satan for such a long time, it may not be easy to awaken their minds. However, God is with us. He said that the truth would surely come out victorious. Relying on this word, we should awaken them diligently.
The Bible says that all men have together become corrupt, deceived by Satan, and that there is no one who does good, not even one. However it also says that God has left a small number of people.
Ro 11:2-5 『God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. … So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.』
Among innumerable people like the sand of the sea, God has re-served some righteous people who have not bowed their knees to Baal. Though very few, they are to resist Satan’s servants who disguise themselves as servants of righteousness and shut off the kingdom of heaven through men’s rules.
This little flock must completely depend on God with a sure faith in Him, so that they can fight against the powers of Satan. “If I must lay down my life for following God’s will, I will die.” Without such early martyrs’ spirit, how can the little flock resist countless people on the side of Satan like the sand of the sea?
Consider how Gideon won the battle in ancient times. He depended absolutely on God, so that he and his three hundred warriors could defeat one hundred and thirty-five thousand men. They had faith strong enough to rush into the enemy base, armed only with torches and trumpets. Because of their great faith, they could win the battle.
Like Gideon’s warriors, we should have strong faith all the more as we see the day approaching. When we have such a faith and spirit, we, God’s little flock, can resist Satan’s servants masquerading as God’s servants.
In the days of Elijah, God reserved seven thousand who had not bowed their knees to Baal. So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Rev 12:17 『Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring―those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.』
Seeing the dragon, the devil, fight against the woman’s offspring, they must be the righteous; they keep God’s commandments.
This revelation shows what will surely take place in the last days. We can see Satan reign over innumerable people like the sand of the seashore. Men’s rules are a weapon which Satan’s servants use to block the door to the kingdom of heaven. However, those standing on God’s side constantly keep God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus, resisting the devil.
On Satan’s side stand a great multitude of people like the sand of the sea. However, God has promised to give victory to us, His little flock. The victory which God has promised us is given through our unyielding faith. As we all have unwavering faith, Satan cannot make us fall, however hard he tries. At the end, he is to be defeated.
Rev 14:8-12 『A second angel followed and said, “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, … ” “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too will drink of the wine of God’s fury, … He will be tormented with burning sulfur … And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.』
The Bible says that those who get drunk with the doctrines of the beast will drink of the wine of God’s fury. It also says that here is the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. Patience brings them to victory.
Victory promised to those keeping God’s commandments
Now, we often see Satan’s servants working around us. They are numerous, and it is not easy to distinguish them from God’s servants.
Over a thousand years, Satan’s servants have deceived the world, disguising themselves as servants of righteousness and as angels of light; they’ve ridiculed and persecuted God’s servants, God’s children, who keep the commandments of God. Since they’ve deceived the world for such a long time, it is almost impossible to awaken people from spiritual deception in a short time. That is possible only through the unyielding faith of God’s children who keep God’s commandments. Only through their strong faith and patient endurance, Satan is defeated and the world is changed.
Though the devil, our enemy, is hindering the truth with all kinds of schemes, God does not shake at all; He regards him as nothing.
Isa 40:14-17 『Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, … Surely the nations are like a drop in a bucket; they are regarded as dust on the scales; he weighs the islands as though they were fine dust. … Before him all the nations are as nothing; they are regarded by him as worthless and less than nothing.』
Satan and his servants are fighting against God and persecuting His children, together with numerous people like the sand of the sea. However, God counts them as nothing and worthless.
When our faith is weak, Satan’s servants seem to be stronger than us and we may fear them. However, through the history of the Early Church, God has already showed that they are less than nothing. Many emperors, politicians and religious leaders ridiculed and troubled and threatened the saints of the Early Church. However, the more they persecuted the saints, the stronger their faith became and the church grew and prospered; because God, regarding all the world’s influential authorities as nothing, was with them.
So, we, who live in this last age, need to fear nothing at all. Rather, we should diligently preach the gospel of truth to the people, enlightening them to know the real identity of Satan and his servants who hinder the gospel of God and devour men’s souls.
They deceive people into believing that what God’s people keep or celebrate is not truth. Though they hinder us from preaching the gospel, we must keep our faith in Christ, obeying God’s commandments and depending on Him with patience.
False prophets are stirring up the whole world to fight against God. However, the more Satan’s power increases, the stronger we should become in faith; for God has said that they are nothing at all. Our mission is to quickly find our lost brothers and sisters and lead them to Zion. We must not forget that even for a moment.
Ps 2:1-9 『Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One. … The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, “I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill.” … “You will rule them with an iron scepter (“Though shalt break them with a rod of iron,” KJV); you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”』
We, God’s people, have the strongest power, because God is with us. What does the Bible say about Satan’s servants who blaspheme against God and His people? It says that God scoffs at them and He will break them with an iron rod and dash them to pieces like pottery.
We are to endure until God’s appointed time comes: With strong faith and hope of heaven, we should be patient to the end, practicing God’s love by saving the dying souls. Though Satan hinders us greatly, victory will surely be ours, not his. We walk the way of desert and follow the path of thorns, taking our own crosses. However it is the way to victory. When we obtain the victory through hardships, it will be more precious and brilliant.
God is preparing a place for us in heaven, and we are going to meet Him soon. For the rest of our life, we should make the most of every opportunity to seek the lost brothers and sisters, unveiling the real identity of Satan’s servants and false prophets. Keeping on the alert all the times, let’s try hard to bear much fruit, so that our Father and Mother may be pleased.
As God’s children, let’s overcome Satan’s hindrances, standing firm in faith with a wise and discerning eye, always following God.
Dark Angel, KEEP THEM COMING!
By: Poland on June 7, 2008
at 11:29 pm
LMAO. Look at these brainwashed culties spamming. You cant hide the TRUTH with your SPAM sillies!
By: LOLISTIC on June 8, 2008
at 7:19 am
Poland,
Don’t be so hypicritical…you too follow men and thier opinions…you follow the opinon of your Decon (man), who follows the opinon of Kim Joo (man), who takes his marching orders from Mutha J (man) who hijacked the studies of Ahnsahnghong (man). So while you claim to be proving your doctrine, you haven’t proven anything. You’ve merely stated the opinion of how the WSMCOG interpretes the bible. You proven no facts…only opinons.
The funny thing is the opinion of the WMSCOG is in the minority of the rest of Christianity…which includes some of the most dedicated and scholarly people God has placed on this earth.
So, do give us your B.S. that we follow human standards when you are doing the very same. The difference is the person you claim is Christ is laying six feet under in a grave in Korea.
Should we purse escavating it to prove it you?
By: CoGinator on June 8, 2008
at 1:23 pm
COGinator said”Don’t be so hypicritical…you too follow men and thier opinions…you follow the opinon of your Decon (man), who follows the opinon of Kim Joo (man), who takes his marching orders from Mutha J (man) who hijacked the studies of Ahnsahnghong (man). So while you claim to be proving your doctrine, you haven’t proven anything. You’ve merely stated the opinion of how the WSMCOG interpretes the bible. You proven no facts…only opinons.”
Really? Are you sure Christ Ahnsahnghong is just a man? You really sound like the Jews 2000 years ago. How many times do I have to tell anyone that the Bible has no origin in the will of men. If your talking about “facts interpreted by men”, then in God’s eyes it’s not valid.
2 Peter 1:20-21 – Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
By the way, talking about Elohim which you guys are taking from the Bible scholars that came into the conclusion that God has no female image. Let me ask you something, are those Bible scholars literrally seen God? All they did is analyze the Bible and based it on their own opinion. But clearly, man has a “male and female image” which is not “a myth” but a real facts.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 – For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Let’s analyze this. No one has seen God in heaven litterally, not even the Bible scholars. So if there’s a male and female image of man and God created man according to their image, who is the myth now? Also, throughout the Bible, Mother has been testified.
Now let’s get back to Ahnsahnghong being the Second Coming Christ. Let’s look at the Bible again.
Mark 13:26-31 – “At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Christ Ahnsahnghong started to preach the truth “Witness of Ahnsahnghong” when He was 30, the same time Israel (which is the Fig Tree) gained it’s independence in 1948. Is there anyone fulfill these if they claim they are the Christ? No one. So COGinator, are you still looking up in the sky waiting for the Son of Man to come down?
John 6:42 – They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
Ecclesiastes 11:4 – Whoever watches the wind will not plant; whoever looks at the clouds will not reap.
COGinator, Israel gained it’s independence already and your savior Ahnsahnghong came already who brought back the Passover. Are you still waiting for the Son of Man to litterally come down from heaven? I pity you.
COGinator said “The funny thing is the opinion of the WMSCOG is in the minority of the rest of Christianity…which includes some of the most dedicated and scholarly people God has placed on this earth.”
Matthew 7:13-14 – “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
COGinator, do you understand these? the Church of God is the minority among Christians since we believe in the female image of God and the only ones that really keeps all the commandments of God. Everybody else is just a descendant of Roman Emperor Constantine’s opinion on how to follow God. COGinator, is that for Jews only? If it is how come Jesus got baptized and Jews don’t?
COGinator said “So, do give us your B.S. that we follow human standards when you are doing the very same. The difference is the person you claim is Christ is laying six feet under in a grave in Korea.
Should we purse escavating it to prove it you?”
COGinator, can you find me in the Bible that prophecies that the Second Coming Christ will resurrect from the dead. That is the prophecy for His First Coming. The role of the Second Coming Christ is to remind the true teachings of Jesus and the Apostles which was prophecied that it would be abolished (Daniel 7:25) and bring back the salvation (which is the Passover as JESUS PROMISED ETERNAL LIFE) (Hebrews 9:28).
COGinator and company, KEEP THEM COMING!
By: Poland on June 8, 2008
at 8:19 pm
hypocrites! criticizing COG. Yet your own so called righteous church are the one to be criticize! CHRISTMAS?did the apostle put christmas lights or exchange gifts or singing carol songs in commemorating Jesus’ birth??? CROSS? SO IF GOD WAS KILLED BY STABBING YOU WORSHIP THE KNIFE?? Its like that isn’t it? SUNDAY WORSHIP? I don’t see any of the bible’s page about worshipping on Sunday. THOUSANDS OF IDOLS!? EASTER EGG? did JEsus’ apostle seek for Eggs when jesus resureccted? Funny! Even bow down to so called POPE! Ex:20-8 says do not bow down to idols nor worship them!
Why don’t you research about 666? Who’s mans number is that?
I love my lost brothers and sisters so I want them to wake up from deep sleep!
OPEN YOUR SPIRITUAL EYES!
Seek for the truth for it will set you free.
can you tell me the verse when did they celebrate Christmas? Sunday Wroship?Cross Reverence? and I will believe all of them!
But I guess you can’t.
By: Jaque on June 8, 2008
at 9:18 pm
1. Poland said “Really? Are you sure Christ Ahnsahnghong is just a man?”
Well, considering he’s got a grave site, and is still there…I would contend to say yes. Jesus rose from the dead. So to compare what Jesus did to what great thing you claim ASH to have done is a non comparison. (Also, I have yet to hear any great things ASH have done…no miracles…nothing! Infact the only accomplishments I can prove of ASH is that here twice inacurately predicted the end of the world. Doesn’t sound very ominicent does he?
2. Poland Said “You really sound like the Jews 2000 years ago. ”
If I had $10 for evertime a CoG member said that I’d be half as rich as Mother J. Nice anaology, however flawed in the fact that ASH doesn’t compare with Jesus in any way shape or form.
3. Poland said” Let me ask you something, are those Bible scholars literrally seen God?
Don’t know. They may have passed away and returned from the dead to see Him? You’d have to ask them. Have they seen the fraud called Mother J…maybe on the internet posting as Poland?
4. Poland said, “Let’s analyze this. No one has seen God in heaven litterally, not even the Bible scholars. So if there’s a male and female image of man and God created man according to their image, who is the myth now? Also, throughout the Bible, Mother has been testified.”
Actually no where in the bible is a person/God Testified. A City referred to as the mother land called Jeruselam has been talked about. I assume you’ve already read the scholarly understanding of it’s percieved as one God and not two as you’ve been taught to believe. But let’s look at all Gods Creations….all animals have both a Male and Female gender in all species. That’s by Gods design. So when he created Man (as in the species, not the Gender) he created both male and female to be able to reproduce and multiply. Makes senses doesn’t it. When it says God made us in his image you are taking that litterly…which is ironic, because there are hundreds of other instances that the CoG chooses not the litteral meaning to apply thier theory…such as clouds not meaning white fluffy clouds. This, to me proves that the doctrine is flawed, as the instances that litteral is choosen over the analigorous (sp?) is only to prove things that are way out in left field.
Christ Ahnsahnghong started to preach the truth “Witness of Ahnsahnghong” when He was 30, the same time Israel (which is the Fig Tree) gained it’s independence in 1948. Is there anyone fulfill these if they claim they are the Christ? No one. So COGinator, are you still looking up in the sky waiting for the Son of Man to come down?
5. Poland said, “COGinator, Israel gained it’s independence already and your savior Ahnsahnghong came already who brought back the Passover. Are you still waiting for the Son of Man to litterally come down from heaven? I pity you.”
Pitty me for what…having a better understanding of the bible that prevents me from falling prey to the CoG Cult? Your point #5 directly above proves nothing…it is just more garbage to try and direct people away from Jesus and towards ASH who didn’t do anything for the passover. The WMSCOG has hijacked ASH teachings to give the perseption that the passover is the secret ingredient to going to heaven. But if you read the bible in it’s entirety, and not play selective round-robin with the scriptures you would understand that the passover is was a Jewish celebration…and not the way to recieve salvation.
6. Poland said, “COGinator, do you understand these? the Church of God is the minority among Christians since we believe in the female image of God and the only ones that really keeps all the commandments of God.
So you keep all 600+ commandments that God passed down to Moses (i.e. the mosaic law). Could you do me a favor and list all of them and then let me know which ones you’ve failed to keep. Then I’ll ask you if you’re going to go to heaven because you didn’t keep all of them. Ready… go!
7. Poland said, “Everybody else is just a descendant of Roman Emperor Constantine’s opinion on how to follow God.” Is that why Peter is considered the first Pope? (and no, I’m not Catholic”
8. Poland said, “COGinator, is that for Jews only? If it is how come Jesus got baptized and Jews don’t?”
Obvioulsy I’m missing somthing as I have no idea how this fit into you paragraph.
10. Poland said, “COGinator, can you find me in the Bible that prophecies that the Second Coming Christ will resurrect from the dead.”
No, but it shows the second coming was the second coming of Jesus. Otherwise it would have been the first comming of the second Christ.
11. Poland said, “COGinator and company, KEEP THEM COMING!”
By “them” I assume you mean the ‘TRUTHS’.
By: CoGinator on June 9, 2008
at 7:27 am
Jaque, we are so over these old and non useful points. Please try to only post if there is something new we haven’t shot down already. Thanks and have a Blessed day.
Just so you don’t feel totally vaidated that your being persacuted here you go…
Can you show me the Scripture to celebrate the assention of ASH?
Nope…guess your just as Hypocritical as the rest of us.
By: CoGinator on June 9, 2008
at 7:30 am
COGinator said “Well, considering he’s got a grave site, and is still there…I would contend to say yes. Jesus rose from the dead. So to compare what Jesus did to what great thing you claim ASH to have done is a non comparison. (Also, I have yet to hear any great things ASH have done…no miracles…nothing! Infact the only accomplishments I can prove of ASH is that here twice inacurately predicted the end of the world. Doesn’t sound very ominicent does he?”
Again another one who doesn’t see the truth in the Bible. Full of human standard opinion he’s using. Doesn’t really know the role of the Second Coming Christ. He’s also denying the Fig Tree Lesson that Jesus gave us so we know when His Second Coming. How clear that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled these. I guess COGinator just wanna delete the Fig Tree Lesson that Jesus gave us for the Second Coming of the Son of Man. I pity you.
Ephesians 1:9-14 – And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Unfortunately for COGinator he hasn’t received the promised Holy Spirit that has the Seal of God, Jesus Passover of the new covenant and he doesn’t know the mystery of God’s will.
COGinator said “If I had $10 for evertime a CoG member said that I’d be half as rich as Mother J. Nice anaology, however flawed in the fact that ASH doesn’t compare with Jesus in any way shape or form.”
Wow maybe every $10 you give to you church COGinator would make your pastor rich huh. Is there any church out there that doesn’t accept donations from it’s members. It’s not mandatory or perhaps it’s mandatory in COGinator’s church. COGinator, thanks for calling us a cult since your church and any other church accepts donations from it’s members. As far as Jesus being in shape with Ahnsahnghong, again COGinator doesn’t know each role of the First and Second Coming of Christ. Ok I’ll make you happy COGinator, let’s use the human standard comparison. Jesus is a Jew while Ahnsahnghong is a Korean. Are you happy now COGinator? You really sound like the Jews and Pharisees 2000 years ago who studied the Bible and know all the verses yet they couldn’t recognize when Christ came the First time. They expect it to litterally come down from heaven. They didn’t know the prophecies of the First Coming. Like now, COGinator doesn’t know the prophecies for the Second Coming of Christ. COGinator, the Fig Tree’s twigs got tender already, what are you waiting for looking up in the sky for the Son of Man to come, HELLO!
Isaiah 66:15-16 – See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment upon all men, and many will be those slain by the LORD.
COGinator, this is what’s about to come. The Lord will bring fire to execute Judgement upon all men. Do you know when COGinator?
Mark 13:26-31 – “At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
COGinator when the Son of Man comes the Second Time, He will gather His elect. Do you know who are His elect COGinator?
Revelations 7:2-3 – Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
COGinator, until God’s elect receive His Seal, the Judgement Day won’t come yet according to the Bible. COGinator, do you know the Seal of God? I know what your going to say. COGinator will say “With all your heart, say that you wanna receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior and you will be saved”. COGinator, that’s not what Jesus Christ Himself said on how to receive forgiveness of sins and eternal life. Let’s see the Bible to find out.
John 6:50-56 – But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Luke 22:7-20 – Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.” “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked. He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there.” They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
How clear this is from the Bible. Jesus Himself promised eternal life by keeping the Passover, His body and blood. There’s no instruction from Jesus that all you have to do is say that you wanna accept Him as your personal savior and you will be saved. Jesus gave this instruction for all of us and if we keep His words we will be save. Again COGinator will use the opinion of men instead of what Jesus really promised eternal life through His Passover which His body and blood. Again COGinator, is this just really for Jews or for everyone who wants to be save?
Luke 19-10 – For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.
COGinator, why are you keeping the opinion of men when Jesus Himself promised eternal life through the Passover? I guess for you it’s ok to just praise God on your own and not follow His commandments. Again, this can’t be a Jewish custom. If it is, then how come Baptism is not a Jewish custom when Jesus got baptized to set the example for us? I guess no matter how much I show you the truth COGinator you won’t understand it because it’s not meant for you. I pity you.
KEEP YOUR MEN’S OPINION COMING COGinator!
By: Poland on June 9, 2008
at 5:34 pm
Poland, saying that “only Ahnsahnghong” can interpret the Bible is a logical fallacy.
Look at this example:
Once upon a time there was a man who claimed to be God. He took the Bible and showed others where it proved that he was God.
Everyone disagreed with him, but the man said they were wrong.
“Why are we wrong,” they asked?
“Because you do not understand the true meaning of the Bible,” he said.
“But how do you know the true meaning,” they responded?
“Because I am God and only I understand the Bible,” he replied.
You can not use the Bible to prove you are God and then prove the Bible by saying that you are God. You have two simultaneous untruths. This is what all cults do. It’s simply rediculous.
Secondly, one only has to look throughout the Bible to see how the word elohim is used. The scholars aren’t “interpreting” anything. They’re just pointing out fact. The word is used consistently throughout the Bible and there’s no need to change the meaning as the COG have done.
By: Ted on June 9, 2008
at 8:13 pm
Ted said “You can not use the Bible to prove you are God and then prove the Bible by saying that you are God. You have two simultaneous untruths. This is what all cults do. It’s simply rediculous.”
Ted, why are you using the opinion of men to interpret the Bible? What prophecy in the Bible do you not understand that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ? Was not the Fig Tree Lesson enough that Jesus told us so we know when He will appear a Second Time? Or even the Root of David? This is exactly what is happening 2000 years ago when Jesus came to bring the Passover of the new covenant and His law. People are studying the Bible, knows all the verses yet they could not recognize that Christ came already because they didn’t know the prophecies for the First Coming of Christ. If we go back 2000 years ago, we only have the Old Testament and Jesus was prophecied in the Old Testament, when, where, how He is to come.
Revelations 5:3-5 – But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Root of David because He fulfill these prophecy, preaching for 37 years to fulfill God’s promise to David’s Throne who ruled for 40 years according to the Bible. He is the only One who could open the scroll.
The Bible is a series of deep and mysterious secrets. Among let us understand about our Savior through the secrets hidden in the life of King David.
Hosea 3:5 {Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days.}
According to Hose a the prophet we must seek Kind David in the last days to recieve Gods blessing, but the unique thing about this prophecy is that when Hosea wrote this, King David had already died a long time ago. Then it is obviously not the physical King David we must seek, but a Spiritual, in other words prophetical King David. Then who is this prophetical King David? we need to understand in order for us to receive blessings in the Last days.
Isaiah 9:6- {For to us a child is born, for to us a son is given… and He will be called Mighty God , Everlasting Father… He will reign on Davids Throne…}
According to the Bible Almighty Father God Jehovah will come in the flesh, and reign on Davids throne.
Then who fulfilled this prophecy?
Luke 1:31- {You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus… The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.}
Literaly we understand that Jesus did not come and physically sat on a throne, yet the Bible says that he received Davis Throne. Through this we understand that Jesus is spiritual King David. Jesus sat on Davids throne meaning he is Mighty God in the flesh, also Prophetical/spiritual “King David”. In order for us to understand that Jesus is the prophetical King David, first we need to understand the physical King Davids life, there is some prophetical points that need to be fulfilled:
Then what is “Davids Throne” that Christ should fulfill?
A Kings throne is considered from the time he begins to be king, to the time he dies
2 Samuel 5:3- …They anointed David King over Israel. David was thirty years old when he became King and reigned forty years.
Davids Throne began at Age of: 30 and lasted: 40 years
Meaning, if Christ sat on Davids Throne he should begin his spiritual reign at age: 30 and reign: 40 years
Through the Bible lets find out if Christ Jesus has come as David or not.
Luke 3:21- When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too… Now Jesus himself was about 30 years old when he began his ministry.
Christ was baptized/anointed as spiritual King at the age of 30 in accordance to Davids prophecy. Lets see if he also reigned 40 years.
Luke 13:6-Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
According to the parable of the Fig tree we can understand Christ only preached 3 yrs from A.D. 30-33 until his crucifixion.
THEN, where are the remaining 37 YEARS left to fulfill Davids reign of 40 years?!!!!
Annointment Reign
King David 30 years 40 years
Jesus 30 years 3 years ………………37 years???
If Jesus didn’t fulfill this prophecy then who is DAVID whom we should seek in the last days?
Through the Bible let us see God administartion at work for the salvation of our souls.
Hebrews 9:28- So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and he will appear a SECOND TIME, not to bear sin, but to BRING SALVATION, to those who are waiting for him.
Christ must come back a 2nd time!!!! WHY??? to fulfill the prophecy of King Davids 37 year reign left outstanding!!!
Then what is the sign to recognize David when he comes??
Isaiah 55:3- Give ear and come to me, hear me that your soul may live. I will make an EVERLASTING COVENANT with you. My faithful love promised to DAVID.
The sign of David: Everlasting covenant
Hebrews 13:20- May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep,
The eternal covenant is established with blood
Then, what is this blood covenant whom the Last David will bring for the salvation of his people??
Luke 22:13,19-They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover…. And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
CHRIST BLOOD PROMISED ON PASSOVER IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT.
Meaning the King David to come must bring PASSOVER and reign for 37 YEARS to fulfill the Throne of David!!!
History of Our Father Christ Ahnsahnghong:
Born: 1918
Baptized: 1948- according to fig tree lesson(restoration of Israel) age of 30
Ascended to Heaven: 1985- reigned 37 years just as King David did.
1 Kings 2:10- Then David rested with his fathers and was buried in the City of David. He had reigned forty years over Israel…Our Father Christ Ahnsahnghong restored the truth of Passover, he is David, He is our King!!!
King David’s Throne 40 years, annointed at 30.
Jesus preached for 3 years, baptized at 30.
Ahnsahnghong preached for 37 years, baptized at 30. FULFILLED.
Ted and company, KEEP THEM COMING!
By: Poland on June 9, 2008
at 9:53 pm
Dear CoG members,
In all honesty, I can never begin to take any of you seriously if you keep on evading the questions of people who are asking. I see the same phrases being used again and again to put down the statements made by others, such as “arguments from man and not from God”, etc.
I have a suggestion for you: why not you just show us how your arguments are superior to arguments from men? Arguments/teachings from God should be much much more superior to arguments from men right?
Defend those arguments, prove them, and prove that they are superior to arguments from men.
CoG members, you need to address all the inconsistencies with your teachings and the whole counsel of God instead of simply spamming bible studies. It won’t help at all.
You must understand that the church fathers were very diligent in arguing and defending their beliefs with solid, well thought out arguments. You must do the same if you want to convince people. Please stop repeating yourselfs again and again, and stop the ad hominem attacks.
Looking4Truth, I do not know if you are a CoG member or not, but I do not agree that CoG can be listed as a denomination. They are like the Arians and Nicolaitians of the past who have taken the truth and twisted it. If Jesus condemned the Nicolaitians, do you think He will accept the CoG members? A discerning mind can seperate true Christianity from heresy. There are certain unchanging truths that make up the core beliefs of Christianity, and once you change them it’s no longer Christianity.
By: Jamie on June 10, 2008
at 3:51 am
Jamie said
“There are certain unchanging truths that make up the core beliefs of Christianity, and once you change them it’s no longer Christianity”
Thank you…
You just told all the CoG members on this website and all the other unbelievers that the CoG is considered and we are CHRISTIANITY!
Thank you once again for finally acknwledging it!
We havent changed any of the core beliefs.. infact we are the ONLY ones right now that have kept the CORE BELIEFS and have followed Jesus Christ commandments.
Just because you cannot understant the bible and who it prophesies about doesnt mean ASH isnt Christ. You cant believe Ahnsahnghong is Christ because you dont know he who sent him.
John 15:21
They will treat you this way because of my NAME, for they do not know the One who sent me.
The reason we believe in him is because we know who the bible testifies about!
John 5:39
You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
The reason ASH didnt testify he was GOD was to fulfill this prophesy
John 5:31
[ Testimonies About Jesus ] “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
Thats why he used the BIBLE to TESTIFY.
Luke 24:27
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
So even Jesus used the bible to testify about himself
John 5:46
If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.
And another reason we believe in him…
John 10:37
Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.
He fulfilled every prophesy, and since he DID what JESUS and THE FATHER did.. WE KNOW HE IS OUR 2nd COMING CHRIST!
Now the reason you dont believe is simple..
Matthew 13:11
He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
I am sorry you werent part the CHOSEN FEW.. It isnt my choice but the choice of the Father.
He doesnt have to prove he is Christ by rising from the dead as Jesus did 2000 yrs ago
Luke 16:31
“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
By: Lizzie on June 10, 2008
at 5:59 am
Sister Lizzie, why are they keep referring to men’s opinion when we have the Bible so we could find out the will of God? I guess for them it’s better to listen to the voice of men instead of God.
John 10-27-30 – My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
There you go. The reason they don’t listen to the Bible is because they are not the chosen sheep that God has chosen.
In studying the 66 books of the Bible, the most important thing is to understand Christ and establish our faith in Him. For the Bible says that Christ is the great mystery. About 2,000 years ago, the Israelites suffered greatly under the oppression of the Roman government. Their only hope to sustain them was that the Messiah, prophesied in the Bible, would come and deliver them from their oppression. They had been looking and waiting for the Messiah, which enabled them to endure the Roman oppression. However, when the Messiah―Jesus Christ―came to them, they rejected and crucified the Messiah whom they had eagerly waited for. To the Israelites, God was much more precious than their lives. They would rather die than abandon their faith. However, they crucified the God whom they loved and valued so much. What caused them to commit such a terrible sin? Unless we know the reason, we will commit the same sin as they did when God comes again in these last days.
God Almighty came as a man
First, we need to study Jesus. Let’s see who Jesus is in nature.
Col 1:13-18 『… For by him [Christ] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. …』
Jesus is the God who created all things. The Almighty God came to this earth as a man bearing the name Jesus.
In those days, the Israelites had a fixed idea about God. They thought only about the Almighty God who by His word made light and divided the heavens and the earth and appeared out of a whirlwind and storm.
About 3,500 years ago, when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, God terrified the Egyptians with ten supernatural miracles. They expected the Messiah to come upon this earth with such great power and glory. So do most Christians today; they look for God to come with such visible glory.
The Apostle John described the divine nature of Jesus as follows:
Jn 1:1-14 『In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. … He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. … The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.』
In the days of Jesus, religious leaders were confident that they would be able to easily recognize God the Creator who had said, “Let there be light,” when He came as the Messiah. However, they failed to receive God the Creator of the world. Rather, they hated God who came to His own and rejected Him, and even crucified Him.
If God had appeared in His majesty with His angels, they would have recognized Him. Such a glorious appearance of God was deeply contemplated in the hearts of the Israelites. However, CONTRARY TO THEIR EXPECTATION, Christ came to this earth, being made lower than the angels.
Heb 2:6-8 『 … “What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor and put everything under his feet.” …』
How could the Israelites imagine God being made lower than the angels? Even though God Himself came to them, they spat in His face and struck Him with their fists. They searched hard for God in the synagogue, but they completely rejected God who came CONTRARY TO THEIR EXPECTATION. For they never thought that God would come as a man made lower than the angels. When Jesus came, becoming lower than the angels, even His own brothers did not believe in Him and His friends came to take charge of Him.
Thus, they didn’t believe in Jesus Christ. The disciples repeatedly told them to believe in Him. If it had been easy for everyone to believe in Him, they would not have repeatedly said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus.” Saying that, they preached Jesus Christ. This implies that it was so difficult to believe in Him. For He was a totally different God from what they had conceived or wished. Now, we need to be fully convinced that Christ is ‘the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations,’ so that we may understand and receive Him.
Col 1:26-27 『the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.』
Col 2:2-3 『…so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.』
All the prophets and the gospel writers testify that Christ is God who created all things (Isa 9:6; Col 1:16; Jn 1:1). The Almighty God came to this earth and was executed by so-called believers.
Why does the Bible describe their rejection of Jesus? For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us (Ro 15:4). Like them, most people today have a fixed idea about God; they never think that God will be made lower than the angels, and they are waiting for Christ to appear a second time in dreadful and terrifying majesty.
We must let go of our fixed ideas about God. Just as we believe, God is omniscient and omnipotent; He can appear in His majesty or in a form of a man; He can be born of a virgin or through physical parents. If we make up our own ideas about Christ, we will fail to receive Him in these last days.
Do not limit God to thinking the way we do
Most Korean people think that roosters cry ‘kkokkio,’ dogs bark ‘meong meong’ and cats say ‘yaong.’ However, Americans think that roosters cry ‘cock-a doodle-doo,’ dogs bark ‘bow-wow’ and cats cry ‘meow.’ The disparity exists not because those animals indeed cry different languages. Nevertheless the people in each country think that they cry differently from one country to another, because they have learned to hear the sounds that way from their childhood.
Think of a yellow pistil of a flower. It appears yellow to us, but to dogs it appears white (because dogs are color-blind and perceive things in only black and white) and to bees it appears red. Can we say confidently that the color we perceive is real? Can we truly believe that all our senses are basically reliable?
Think about the earth’s revolution. The earth moves around the sun at a speed of about 108,000km per hour. However, our body doesn’t feel any speed. Besides this there are a lot of things that we can’t perceive with our senses. But most people acknowledge only the things that they can see and perceive with their senses and believe only what they think is right. How foolish they are!
By using our own senses, we can’t discern between the true and the false. So God said, “Judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes” (1 Co 4:5). Nevertheless many interpret the Bible in their own ways. Each of them insists that only their interpretation is true, even denying the truth uttered by God Himself. What a blasphemous act!
We must not believe in only the visible. Instead of insisting upon our own ideas, we need to ask God to open our spiritual eyes to read the Bible with correct understanding. For we can’t receive Christ fully with our own way of thinking.
From whose point of view should we look at Christ? We must see Him through the eyes of those who are saved, so that we can understand Him correctly and get salvation. For the goal of our faith is the salvation of our souls. Let’s look at Christ through their eyes.
Rev 14:1-5 『Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 … No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. …』
From the view point of the 144,000 who have been redeemed, Christ dwells in Zion. We must find Zion and know her law in order to meet Christ. In the eyes of those outside Zion, Christ cannot be found. We should not look at the Bible in a church’s view no matter what the church says, neither should we look at it from the point of view of a person.
Think of the yellow pistils of flowers. Only the human eye can perceive the color as yellow; neither the eyes of insects like bees nor the eyes of animals can see it the same way. Without understanding such a mystery, we can’t understand God. We need to know at least a part of God’s creation in order to understand the Bible. Many fall into error, because they try to look at God’s word, a mystery of Wonderful Coun-selor, with a finite and very limited human mind or understanding.
Christ, the Mystery of mysteries, whom we meet in Zion
Revelation 14 shows us that Christ dwells in Zion. The Lamb dwells in Zion with the 144,000 who have been redeemed. Let’s find out what Zion indicates.
Isa 33:20-24 『Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals; … There the LORD will be our Mighty One. … For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us. …』
Zion is the place where the Biblical feasts are celebrated. God is the Judge, the Lawgiver and the King of the people who dwell in Zion with Him. As there is a law by which a king rules over his people in the world, so there is the law of the new covenant by which God the King of Zion governs His people.
Every country has different laws. People in each country can’t be easily adapted to foreign laws. Likewise, those who are not God’s people are not willing to observe the laws of Zion which God has established. For they are not the people of the kingdom.
It is in the last days that God proclaims His law in Zion (Mic 4:1). Many will stream to Zion to find the way to salvation. In the Day of Judgment, those who do not know the law of Zion will be judged by that law [the new covenant]. Without abiding in Zion no one can know the law and avoid God’s judgment. We should break free of the fixed ideas so that we can meet God whom the Bible testifies about. Now, let’s find out what blessings God bestows upon His people in Zion.
Ps 132:13-14 『For the LORD has chosen Zion, he has desired it for his dwelling: “This is my resting place for ever and ever; here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it―”』
Ps 133:1-3 『How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! It is like precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron’s beard, down upon the collar of his robes. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the LORD bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.』
Thus, God has chosen Zion and made it His dwelling, where He bestows His blessing―life forever. Only from the point of view of the people in Zion can people recognize Christ, the greatest Mystery of all mysteries; only those in Zion can receive Him and have the blessing of eternal life. For God lets them look at everything from His standpoint and evaluate it according to His standards.
Only in Zion can we understand the Christ, who is the great mystery hidden for ages. God has given us, who are in Zion, the blessing of eternal life and the invitation into the kingdom of heaven. How precious God’s invitation is!
There are our lost brothers and sisters who cannot recognize Chirst because their spiritual eyes are not opened. Let’s lead them quickly to Zion so that their spiritual eyes may be open to recognize Christ, the mystery of God. Let’s share the blessings of salvation with them, by delivering God’s invitations to them. Then we will receive God’s praise when we go back to our heavenly home.
By: Poland on June 10, 2008
at 3:19 pm
Brother Poland and sister Lizzie we have to be in zion why do you waste your time here when they cannot understand what we preach over and over again.
Do you know our mother said to give love and not fight and because of you two lost sheep on this blog our church got destroyed in the myanmar cyclone.
Even after having kept the passover it did not let disaster pass over our church.
I hope you both put your time to good use and try to get people believe you rather than fight.
Keep the flame of love of our father and mother forever burning .
By: warrior on June 10, 2008
at 7:44 pm
All,
I’ve been reading through a few posts and I wasn’t going to post anything, but I wanted to get an understanding of something.
Lizzie, you mentioned in your post that ahnsahnghong and mother jerusalem were in a picture together.
You said, “When it came to that day the people knew he was the 2nd coming Christ his wife claimed she was THE BRIDE. Thats when General Pastor pulled out the picture.
Thats how our Mother came to be!”
Can you explain what you mean by, “When it came to that day the people knew he was the 2nd coming Christ”.
1. When did “the people” realize that he was this second coming christ? (I’m assuming that you mean the church congregation when you say “the people”.)
2. Where was ahnsahnghong when they realized that he was the second coming christ?
3. Was he still alive when they realized that he was this second coming christ?
If you can, please explain and address those questions. Marcus/ Ryan, if you are around, do you confirm Lizzie’s comments? Is this correct information?
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 10, 2008
at 8:01 pm
Warrior is correct, one of your churches was destroyed by a natural disaster.
However, Lizzie and Poland are NOT the cause of that.
Warrior, it would appear that you are not saved by natural disasters after all.
By: Dark Angel on June 10, 2008
at 8:06 pm
Hmm that’s quite a news. How come when I tried to search about it in the internet and I couldn’t find information about it? Are the COG hackers are preventing the news to spread so they could keep making money out of it? They are really the true church.
By: Clark on June 10, 2008
at 8:52 pm
Poland, you continue to say “Sister Lizzie, why are they keep referring to men’s opinion when we have the Bible so we could find out the will of God?” What you have to clear your thought process to Sister Lizzie? Is she Mutha J in cognito?
That phrase is actually quite disturbing. It’s like you have a blinder on and fail to realize that reading the bible and interpreting it…is ALL the opinon of men. Whether you choose the interpretation of the CoG or you choose the interpretation of Mainstream Christianity…it’s all the opinon of man…based on the writings of the bible which is inspired by God.
You want us to be like the Pharasies, however there is a big difference. They didn’t already have the Christ redeem them of all thier sins. Those of us who are believers in Jesus can’t be like the Pharasies, because we have the Holy Spirt guiding us.
If I understand you correctly, you feel that Ansahnghongs interpretation is the right one, because he is Jesus, just in a different body.
However, ASH never claimed to be God or the second comming. Jesus on the other hand, did claim to be God. If the purpose of the Second Comming is to bring all the believers to Heaven and leave all the non-believers to suffer the Rapture, why do it in secret?
It wasn’t until ASH died, that the story changed from a Pastor who followed the ways of SDA and incorrectly predicted the end of times (not once, but twice) to that of the story of him being the Holy spirit comming to round up the sheep.
Even with that, there are huge gapping holes to that story. First being, the holy spirit has never been testified in the bible as a being…it’s a spirit. I’ll give you the bennefit of the doubt and insult your intelligence by explaining the difference between a spirit and a person.
Secondly, ASH never talked about a Heavenly Mother as a God. That didn’t get added to the church until after ASH passed away.
So if he really is God, why did he never announce himself or Mutha J while he was alive? Why did none of his predictions come true…and why do a hand full of people fail to see the inaccuracies and inconsitancies of the the teachings of the WMSCOG?
By: CoGinator on June 10, 2008
at 9:27 pm
COGinator said “That phrase is actually quite disturbing. It’s like you have a blinder on and fail to realize that reading the bible and interpreting it…is ALL the opinon of men. Whether you choose the interpretation of the CoG or you choose the interpretation of Mainstream Christianity…it’s all the opinon of man…based on the writings of the bible which is inspired by God.”
Look at you still using the opinion of men to interpret the Bible. Your really in darkness and cannot see the light of the truth in the Bible COGinator.
2 Peter 1:18-21 – We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain(God’s Zion). And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it(Word of God), as to a light shining in a dark place(men’s opinion), until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that NO PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE came about by the PROPHET’S OWN INTERPRETATION. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
COGinator said “You want us to be like the Pharasies, however there is a big difference. They didn’t already have the Christ redeem them of all thier sins. Those of us who are believers in Jesus can’t be like the Pharasies, because we have the Holy Spirt guiding us.”
Clearly, COGinator have no clue about the prophecy in the Bible. No matter how you show him the truth, even if it is as clear as crystal, he couldn’t understand it. COGinator, the Pharisee of the age of the Holy Spirit. This is what COGinator sees in the Bible like the Pharisees 2000 years ago.
Isaiah 43:10-11 – “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
Ooopppsss. Aren’t you missing something COGinator?
Isaiah 9:6-7 – For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And HE WILL BE CALLED WONDERFUL COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. HE WILL REIGN ON DAVID’S THRONE AND OVER HIS KINGDOM, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
COGinator, the Father Jehovah, the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnghong are One as God in different ages.
I guess you might perhaps read your Bible and learn the prophecies of it. I know either way, your going to use the will of men to interpret the Bible instead of listening to the Root of David which is Ahnsahnghong. I pity you.
COGinator, Ted, Dark Angel and company, KEEP THEM COMING! I MEAN YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE BIBLE WHICH IS IN THE WILL OF MEN. YOU GUYS SQUIRM A LITTLE BIT.
By: Poland on June 11, 2008
at 1:43 am
I pray for these lost sheep who continue to worship this false idol, also known as Ahnsahnghong. Shine your light upon their heads, Lord. Bless these lost sheep and pull them back into your light. They have troubles deep within their hearts. Heal them Lord and embrace them. Show them the error of their ways.
Amen.
By: Sister Sarah on June 11, 2008
at 1:54 am
Poland,
Is the information is Lizzie’s post in reagrds to ahnsahnghong and mother jerusalem taking a picture together, true?
By: Dark Angel on June 11, 2008
at 3:14 am
Sister Sarah, we have received the Second Coming of Jesus Christ as prophecied in the Bible. I don’t even think I can call you “Sister” since you still keep the tradition of men as God’s commandments and don’t do God’s will according to the Bible. Sunday Worship, Christmas as Jesus Birthday, Easter, Holy Communion are all man-made traditions. If you wanna follow God, it should be according to His words, the Bible.
John 10-27-30 – My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
God Bless you Sarah.
By: Poland on June 11, 2008
at 3:39 am
Dark Angel, aren’t you looking for Marcus? Because you told me before that I am not very smart and I know that your smarter than me, IN THE WILL OF MEN. Marcus is my Brother with Jesus because we do the will of God according to the Bible.
Matthew 12:46-50 – While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
God bless you Dark Angel.
By: Poland on June 11, 2008
at 3:46 am
I never told you that, Poland. I said, Marcus is more knowledgable in the COG’s doctrine.
Also, I figured if you loved ahnsahnghong, you would be able to confirm Lizzie’s post.
If you’re not sure, then I guess I have to wait for Lizzie or Marcus to respond.
I would rather Marcus because, he mentioned something to me on the cult-watch message board and I would like to ask him how it relates to Lizzie’s comment.
So Marcus, if you’re not too busy trying to hack into the cult-watch website, *wink* please respond because there are a few things that you have to clear up..actually not a few, more like alot.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 11, 2008
at 5:06 am
Poland said, “Because you told me before that I am not very smart and I know that your smarter than me, IN THE WILL OF MEN. ”
Well, based on your posting that clearly show you can’t formulate a well put together arguement that provides facts… not opinions to prove your hypothosies…I tend to lean towards agreeing with the above statement.
I would be willing to to review short individual points that you feel back up your doctrine, but as far as the marathon…mulit facited postings…I’ll just ignore them.
By: CoGinator on June 11, 2008
at 6:31 am
are we celebrating the Assention of ASH?
I haven’t heard of that.
We are only celebrating God’s feast though.
I’m sorry my heart aches so much when someone
persecute us.
If you say we are cult then I guess every church
is a cult. They represent another GOD that
different from the Scripture. GOD that worship on
Sunday? Christmas etc.
By: Jaque on June 11, 2008
at 12:12 pm
Hi Jaque,
labeling an organisation a cult has nothing to do with bible, scriptures or dogma. It is more influenced by the behaviour of their leaders & members.
When i was in world mission church of god, all i do was preaching, studying, spending time in church (zion..:).. Everyone else not believing in father and mother is going to hell.. anything to do with cross is bad. sunday worship = seal of satan.. i couldnt even go to a friend’s wedding in different church. i had cross and sunday phobia :)
My whole life was dedicated to ‘recruiting’.. finding lost children, bear fruit.
In the process, I did not realise that i have neglected my real family who really care for me. World mission society church of god really open my eyes that doctrins, festivals, rituals, feasts are merely made by man.. the important thing is to have respect and tolerance towards another fellow human. love is above all.
By: Tony on June 11, 2008
at 2:30 pm
Oh quit it… the persecution thing is old…
Just because someone has a difference of opinion of how the WMSCOG mis-interprets the bible scriptures doesn’t mean you’re being persecuted. Just means we don’t agree with the opinon of the men at the WMSCOG.
Do you celebrate your or anyone elses birthday? That’s not talked about in the bible. Have you celebrated someones graduation…that’s not in the bible either. Could that mean your celebrating the festivals of man?
Here’s the bottom line…Just because Christans have rallied around a date to commemorate the birth of our Christ doesn’t mean it’s against the bible…nor does it indicate that anything is being added to the bible. It’s simply an expression of worship and graditude. Believing otherwise is showing an insecurity, which is not uncommon when the doctrine that one supports has so many inconsistencies.
Also, if you could point out the scripture that prove all the Gentiles are under the Laws of Moses, it would be greatly appreciated.
I’m surprised you havent’ heard of the Assention day. Are you new to the CoG? Are you aware the fig tree prophecy stems all the way back to Adam and Eve?
Anyone out there want to validate that the CoG celebrates an Assention day?
By: CoGinator on June 11, 2008
at 2:47 pm
Dark Angel, you can clearly see that the COG is a cult religious group just like any other denominations out there. That’s why I prefer to believe in Science since it’s based on proven facts.
Many common religious terms lack a generally accepted, single, current definition. This leads to confusion over the meanings of certain religious terms, such as Christian, cult hell, heaven, occult, Paganism, salvation, Witch, Witchcraft, Unitarian, Universalist, Voodoo, etc. A reader must often look at the context in which the word is used in order to guess at the intent of the writer.
In the newsgroup alt.usage.english, terms like this one are often called “skunk words.” They have diverse meanings to different people. They have so many meanings that they often cause misunderstandings wherever they are used. Unfortunately, most people do not know this, and naturally assume that the meaning that they have been taught is the universally accepted definition of the term.
The term “Unitarian” is a good example:
Pre-1776 CE: Belief in a single God and the rejection of the Christian concept of the Trinity.
Post-1775: A creedless and dogma-free religious organization. The Unitarian Universalist Association, (UUA) is an association of Unitarian congregations.
Utter confusion reigns when an author is using one definition of “Unitarian,” while a reader assumes the other meaning. Misunderstandings also happen when an author assumes that both definitions refer to the same organization or belief.
One of the most confusing and dangerous religious term is “Cult”. The word is derived from the French word “culte” which came from Latin noun “cultus.” The latter is related to the Latin verb “colere” which means “to worship or give reverence to a deity.” Thus, in its original meaning, the term “cult” can be applied to any group of religious believers: Southern Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Roman Catholics, Hindus or Muslims. However, the term has since been assigned at least eight new and very different meanings. The original meaning of “cult” remains positive; more recent definitions are neutral, negative, or extremely negative:
Positive Meaning: Theological usage: Oxford English Dictionary defined “cult” as: “worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings”
“a particular form or system of religious worship; especially in reference to its external rites and ceremonies”
devotion or homage to a particular person or thing.”
This is the historical meaning of the word, but is rarely today heard outside of religious circles. A reference to the “Cult of Mary” appeared in a newspaper report on the Pope’s 1999 visit to the Americas. It simply means that the Pope devotes special attention to the Virgin Mary.
Cultural usage: The word is often associated with cult films, cult bands, or cult TV programs. Here, the term “cult” refers to a small but devoted following of a movie, entertainment group or television program. Avid supporters of Star Trek may be referred to as devoted cultists.
Neutral Meanings: Sociological usage: A small religious group that exists in a state of tension with the predominant religion. Hinduism might be considered a cult in North America; Christianity might be considered a cult in India.
Additional sociological usage: An innovative, fervent religious group, as contrasted with more established and conventional sects and denominations.
The Observer: An English newspaper seemed to use the term to refer to any small religious group, no matter what its age or teachings. 1
General religious usage: A small, recently created, religious organization which is often headed by a single charismatic leader and is viewed as an spiritually innovative group. A cult in this sense may simply be a new religious movement on its way to becoming a denomination. The Christian religion, as it existed in 30 CE might be considered a cult involving one leader and 12 or 70 devoted disciples as followers. The Mormon denomination was started in the 19th century by Joseph Smith and a few followers; it met this definition of “cult” but has since grown to become an established denomination of about 15 million members.
Negative Meanings: Evangelical Christians and Counter-Cult Movement (CCM) usage: They define a cult as any religious group which accepts most but not all of the key historical Christian doctrines (e.g. the divinity of Jesus, virgin birth, the Trinity, salvation by faith, not works, etc.). The implication is that the cult’s theology is invalid; they teach heresy. Under this definition, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons), Unification Church, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and many others would be cults. But the CCM would not classify Wicca as such, because it is not associated with Christianity. The earliest use of this meaning of the word “Cult” is believed to be a 1938 book “The Chaos of the Cults” by J.K. VanBaalen. On the other hand, new religious groups such as the Mormons, Unification Church and Jehovah’s Witnesses generally regard themselves to be the true Christian church. They view all other denominations as being in error. Thus, one group’s true church is another group’s cult. One group’s heresy is the other group’s orthodoxy.
Fundamentalist Christian usage: Some Fundamentalists would accept the Evangelical definition of cult defined above. Others brand any religious group which deviates from historical Protestant Christian beliefs as a cult. This definition would include the LDS Church, Wicca, mainline and liberal Christian denominations, Islam, Hinduism, and all of the other religions of the world. The vast majority of humanity would belong to cults, by this definition.
Anti-cult movement usage: The anti-cult movement (ACM) attempts to raise public consciousness about what they see as dangerous and authoritarian mind control cults and doomsday cults. Most do not care about the faith group’s theology. They target only what they see as deceptive practices, and dangerous psychological pressure techniques, such as brainwashing. The ACM appears to hold opinions about the effectiveness of brainwashing that are not shared by the mental-health community generally. They see mind control/doomsday cults as a widespread social problem.
Very negative meaning: Popular, media usage: A cult is considered a small, evil religious group, often with a single charismatic leader, that engages in brainwashing and other mind control techniques, believes that the end of the world is imminent, and collects large amounts of weaponry in preparation for a massive war. The earliest use of this meaning of the word is believed to have been in a 1965 book by Walter Martin “The Kingdom of the Cults”
We have seen “cult” used to refer to Evangelical denominations, the Roman Catholic Church, Unification Church, Church of Scientology, United Church of Christ, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Wiccans, other Neopagans and many other faith groups. The term is essentially meaningless.
Cited: http://www.religioustolerance.org/cults.htm
By: Clark on June 11, 2008
at 3:27 pm
Hi everyone. Seems like everyone here is still arguing whether their belief is right or wrong. I don’t think that’s what Jesus Christ commanded us. Jesus said to “Love One Another”. How can you guys say you love Jesus Christ when you guys don’t love one another? Love God and Love Your Neighboor are Jesus Christ greatest commandments.
I am a Christian myself and have already accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I don’t discriminate someone based on their religious belief. I try to give advice and pray for them that they would accept Jesus Christ. That’s pretty much what I can do as far as making someone to be a believer in Jesus Christ. Only Him can judge everyone since He is the Creator of all of us. I hope this helps for all of you.
John 14:6:
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior because He is the only way to life.
By: Frank on June 11, 2008
at 3:44 pm
Wow so this is the blog that one of my fellow Church of God member told me that Ted and the rest of his team hang out. I’ve been reading thoughout the blog and I really feel sorry for those who cannot see God’s truth in the Bible. Seems like my brothers and sisters have tried to show you guys the truth and still cannot see it.
However, prayer is an indispensible part of Christian faith. Without earnest prayer, we can achieve nothing. Though invisible, prayer has a miraculous power to make the impossible possible.
Communicating with God by prayer
Let me tell you a story of an American family who had a problem with their telephone. The family’s telephone worked well during the daytime, but during the nighttime it did not work at all.
Such a situation repeated itself for a long time, and they had to call the repairman to fix it. The repairman was at a loss for words when he found out the reason for the trouble, because it was such a stunning one. When he disassembled the telephone, he found lines delicately disconnected, although they looked like a line without any gap. So during the daytime, when the temperature went up, it was possible for them to use the telephone since the gap was filled up by the expansion of lines due to the heat. However, when the temperature went down during the nighttime, the gap between the two lines reappeared due to the shrinkage of the lines. As a result, they could not use the telephone during the nighttime.
As the family could communicate with others when the telephone lines are connected, so we can communicate with God when God and we are connected by prayer. In order to deliver our will and hope to God, prayer is absolutely necessary.
George Washington, the first president of the United States, held on to God day and night for the independence of America. Thomas Edison, the genius of invention, did not spare thousands of prayers for a single invention. That was why God gave him many ideas beyond human thought, so that he could contribute greatly to the civilization of mankind. The light bulb that lights up the darkness is one of the results of his prayer.
When we study the histories of the Bible, we can see many examples of the people who achieved great works by prayers. Israel enjoyed national prosperity under the reign of King David because he earnestly prayed to God all the time (2 Sa 7:18-29). King Solomon, the son of David, also received many blessings through a thousand burnt offerings (1 Ki 3:4-13). Nehemiah was able to reconstruct Jerusalem by earnestly asking God’s help for his fallen nation (Ne 1:1-11). Daniel did not only save his own life, but also made the king of Babylon repent who worshiped a foreign god, by interpreting the king’s dream through his sincere prayer to God (Da 2:17-19).
When we talk of prayer, we cannot exclude Jesus. He set an example of praying day and night to accomplish the gospel work for our salvation. He had the power to achieve our salvation without prayer, but to set us an example He prayed earnestly to God, saying that God listens to the sincere prayers (Lk 11:9-13).
When we read all 66 books of the Bible, we cannot find any book that does not talk about prayer; all the stories in the Bible contain prayer. This shows how important prayer is in our faith.
High level of prayer for high level of desire
However, sometimes we do not pray as often as we should, even though we feel the necessity of constant prayer. This happens when we do not set a higher standard or establish a higher level of hope in the process of pursuing eternal heaven.
Let’s think of mathematics which we felt in our school days was difficult. In those days, you might question why you had to learn confusing differentiation, integration, permutations and combinations, even though only four arithmetical operations―adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing―would be enough for everyday life. How-ever, the higher mathematics is necessary to the people who have an aim at a higher dimension and have the spirit of inquiry. Ordinary people need only ordinary mathematics. In order to launch rockets, build space stations, or shoot up artificial satellites to outer space for taking a view of the earth, higher dimensional mathematical calculation is indispensable.
A person with a higher goal needs a higher level of mathematics. In the same way, if we have a higher level of hope in the religious life, we should not just stay at the level of conventional prayer such as just thanking for daily bread or thanking for allowing us to attend the church without any problems. Rather, we should offer more various and higher level of prayers.
When I first received the truth, I prayed just because the Bible said so; I prayed during the prayer weeks of the feasts; I offered just formal prayers when I woke up in the morning; and before I went to bed, I prayed to God, thanking Him for keeping me safe all day. It would be the same for everyone at first. Now, we should not merely stay at this level of prayers. We should set a high goal and pray for it endlessly as our faith grows.
We cannot launch a manmade satellite just with the four arithmetical operations, nor can we build a bridge over a river. In the same manner, whoever has a higher goal and tries to dedicate himself to the great gospel work, the corresponding prayer is required. Since we are planning to accomplish the worldwide Reformation, we must continually ask God with various and higher dimensional prayers.
Pray always and continually
There is a proverb, ‘Too much is as bad as too little.’ Likewise, it is not good to be excessive on anything in this world. However, prayer is an exception. The Bible enlightens us on the importance of prayer, saying, “Pray always” or “Pray continually.”
Lk 18:1-7 『Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’ For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care about men, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually wear me out with her coming!'” And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? …”』
Jesus told us not to be disappointed or give up easily even if we do not get any answer after praying once or twice. Jesus said: “Will not God bring about justice for his beloved children, who cry out day and night, when even an audacious unjust judge vented the widow’s spite after the continuous plea?” Even a vicious man can’t refuse an earnest plea but listens to it. How much more will God answer the prayers of His children asking His help for righteous things?
If we pray wholeheartedly and continually until our prayers are answered, God will surely listen to our prayers. If you feel that God has not answered your prayers yet, pray once more right now. Do not ever think that your prayers will not be answered. If you pray about everything and have a firm belief that God will answer your prayer, you will experience amazing miracles just like Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did.
Whenever we pray, we should remember the word, “Pray always, without ceasing.” God is bringing about justice for His children, and He is spreading the gospel without rest even to the ends of the earth. So, let’s continually pray to God until we find all members of our heavenly family scattered worldwide, ‘Please help us to find all our lost brothers and sisters.’
1 Th 5:16-25 『Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus … Broth-ers, pray for us.』
Rejoice always; pray without ceasing; give thanks in everything. This is God’s will for us. His will for us is to pray continually, not to give up, even though our prayers are not answered after trying once or twice. We are to continue in prayer until we find all the 144,000.
Prayer for our lost brothers and sisters
The best gift for a brother in Zion is to pray for him. If you see a brother of an ungracious disposition, please pray for him.
For the past 20 years, I have constantly asked God to help us find all of our heavenly family members. I am sure that it is the same to you. As a result of prayer, many people from different countries are now rushing into Zion.
Since the same prayer has been repeated for the past 20 years, I can actually feel that God is answering my prayer: He is helping us to set up our Churches in many faraway countries; people who are dead without knowing the glory of Zion come to life as soon as they receive the word of God; wherever the good news of the new covenant and the new name are delivered, all become alive.
As the result of our prayer, God has helped us to find many of our lost brothers and sisters in a short period of time. If we have given up after praying once or twice, God might have not answered our prayers, thinking that our will is weak and that we are still not worthy to receive what we ask for. We have been praying persistently, and God has answered our united prayer; He has been continuously sending us our spiritual family. We should always pray and not give up.
If we pray before trying to do something, God will lead us to the right way and change all the bad conditions into the beneficial ones. Since it is God’s will for us to pray continually with all our heart, we should never stop praying until the day our Father comes back; we should ask God to help us to preach the good news even to the ends of the earth and find all of the lost ones.
Let’s pray earnestly to our Father. The unjust judge answered the widow’s prayer because she asked Him day after day. Then, will our heavenly Father not listen to our prayers if all of us ask Him earnestly day and night? He will answer all His children’s prayers even though He may need to change the cosmic system slightly.
God answers His children’s prayer
It is shameful for me to say, but when I was young, I used to press my parents. They granted almost all my requests when I pestered them. When I pray to the heavenly Father, I often ask Him importunately: “Please make this fulfilled within a year.” As a result of pressing God in this manner, He has answered almost all my prayers even before His intended time for it.
It was not because the widow was fluent or respectable that the judge gave her legal protection, but because she kept bothering him day after day. Nobody can compete with a person who keeps bothering him every day.
Lk 11:5-13 『” … Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”』
It is natural for parents to become softhearted toward their children when they continue to pester them. Why would our heavenly Father not give the Holy Spirit to the children who continually ask Him for it? Ask God earnestly, and all your prayers will be answered in accordance with the love and grace of our heavenly Father and Mother.
Let’s make it a habit to pray before doing even a very trivial thing. When we drive, let’s pray before start. When we preach the gospel, let’s pray first, then we will get a much better outcome.
Those who do not pray work on their own. However, those who pray always depend on God’s help. What if a farmer still uses a plow to cultivate even though many effective machines have already been invented and used for the job? It may take more time than a week or ten days at least for him to finish the job by using the plow. However, it can be finished within a day when a machine is used.
The most effective way to fulfill the gospel is prayer. Through prayer we receive strength from our Father and Mother so that we can work effectively and powerfully.
In the Early Church, a powerful evangelization was accomplished through prayers. The saints in those days did not rely on themselves but mobilized the power of God through their prayers. We are to learn the effective method used by the saints about 2,000 years ago.
Let us remember the words of Jesus in Luke 18. If God has not answered our prayers yet, it is because we have not prayed enough. Let’s think over this fact once more, and try to store up the spiritual power through our earnest prayers. Even the unjust judge granted the request of the widow. How much more will our God, who made our ears, give ear to our prayers and care for us when we are troubled! He is indeed listening to all our prayers and watching over us all the time.
It is our Father’s will for us to pray continually. Let’s pray diligently, especially for world evangelism, so that the gospel may be preached in the whole world. When we pray together with one mind and go into all the world, God will surely and quickly accomplish the gospel in these last days. I hope all the members of Zion will continue to pray, always asking our heavenly Father and Mother to find all of our lost brothers and sisters.
By: Bright Angel on June 11, 2008
at 5:09 pm
So now there are more CHILDREN OF ELOHIM, MEMBERS of CoG =) I hope that maybe this time we may open up the eyes of @least 1. I know that sometimes men cannot understand the will of God, but his thoughts are higher than ours (Isa 55:9). God explained how he wanted his ppl to act. He told us his will so that we may follow it. Apostle John told us that he came in the FLESH (John 1:1-14)… This was to show us how to follow him, what to call him. Only after Jesus came did they pray in the name of the FATHER (Matt 6:9). He told us about the Sabbath in the flesh as Jesus. He showed us thru actions by keepin the Sabbath as was his custom (Luke 4:16). He taught us how to pray(Matt 24:14). He taught us to preach continually, if we werent welcomed in one place, move on to the next (Matt 10:14). Never lose hope. He told us not everyone is a Child of Light… There are Satans children as well who refuse the truth (John 8:44). Those who try to deceive other from following God. He came again to REMIND us as it was prophesied (John 14:26). WITH A NEW NAME!!! (Rev 2:17)
Over and over God has told us of his will, so that there will be no excuses (John 15:22). He taught us what the TRUE church should have:
Sabbath Day (Ex 20:8)
Feasts of God (Lev 23)
Veil (1 Cor 11:3-5)
Fastin on Fathers Ascension (Mark 2:20)
New Songs (Rev 14:3)
New Name & New Jersusalem(Rev 3:12)
etc etc etc
But yet still many here cannot see this… WHY?
I still believe that I can find my borthers and sisters here. I believe that I am not doing this in vain. I pray for the unbelievers. I write letters to our Mother and ask her to please open up the eyes of those who are still in the dark.
More brothers are coming to this site… which tells me that somewhere in here there is a brother who is in the dark and wishes to come to the Light.
Warrior said that Poland and I are at fault for the disaster that occured @ Myanmar not so long ago.
“Brother Poland and sister Lizzie we have to be in zion why do you waste your time here when they cannot understand what we preach over and over again.
Do you know our mother said to give love and not fight and because of you two lost sheep on this blog our church got destroyed in the myanmar cyclone.
Even after having kept the passover it did not let disaster pass over our church.”
I never thought I would say this but Dark Angel, THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY TELLING HIM THAT WE ARE NOT AT FAULT.
“Warrior is correct, one of your churches was destroyed by a natural disaster.
However, Lizzie and Poland are NOT the cause of that.
Warrior, it would appear that you are not saved by natural disasters after all.”
Do you know the real reason that the cyclone disaster destroyed that church? They kept sinning even after taking the Passover. There was alot of SEXUAL IMMORALITY, THEY DESECRATED THE SABBATH, THEY WERE NOT IN THE TRUTH AND LACKED FAITH! I am sorry but I am not GOD and I cannot make a whole church BE SEXUALLY IMMORAL! I do not have the power to tell anyone, let alone a WHOLE CONGREGATION to take the Sabbath as a Joke, to not have sufficient FAITH. Mother called the church and asked the Pastor DO THEY KEEP THE SABBATH?, DO THEY HAVE FAITH? and the Pastor told her NO. She then warned him and told him to leave right away, to go back hime.
Like the story of LOT and SODOM & GAMORRAH. An angel of God warned Lot of the disaster coming upon the sin city and asked him to LEAVE and DONT LOOK BACK.
Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.
Genesis 19:12-17
12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry [a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”
16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”
The Passover isnt a sure fire way to have eternal life, you need faith with deeds, you need to keep ALL OF FATHERS COMMANDMENTS. (James 2:20-26)
Now all of you non-believers, WHY WOULD MOTHER HAVE THE POWER TO BRING ABOUT NATURAL DISASTERS IF SHE IS NOT GOD?!
By: Lizzie on June 11, 2008
at 7:06 pm
Here’s a testimony of ex-cult member:
wow-I just got out of this cult. The guy ansahnghong predicted second coming christ in 1985.(which would mean baptism at 2015 to fullfill propecy of being baptised at 30. then he would have to serve 37 yrs. But when I mentioned that they segregated me and said I was like poison.Why for thinking with my own mind that God gave me? They always say God gave us a mind for a reason but to question the church is like questioning God. My poor best friend is still in it and thinks I’m damned sinner for leaving. The bible says if ANYONE says look there is the christ, do not go there ,he is false. They claim to have God in the flesh in Korea.They claim the end of the world in 2012.And we were supposed to be happy about it. If you weren’t happy about it you must be a damned sinner who doesn’t belong. I was brainwashed. You must watch videos. You must go and tell others in the same age group who will be able to “serve” in the gospel.(have jobs, must also preach and find more newcomers,look presentable)It was toxic. You have to listen to only there music.
Cited: http://brendoman.com/wardwords/2005/11/21/cult
June 10 2008 @ 4:47
Well, well, I’m glad that finally there are some people in that cult are opening their eyes to the reality. I’m sure ex-cult member can smell the good things in life now. Dark Angel, there’s something wrong with my computer and I’m trying to give ex-cult member an advice. Also Dark Angel, since your talking to him go ahead and give him the cult-watch site so we can gather some information about COG, M.J., and his full experience about it. I can’t wait to see Donnie’s questions get answered, hahaha!!!.
I also have an advice to all the COG members. Learn from ex-cult member’s experience and hopefully you guys will also see the reality of life.
By: Clark on June 11, 2008
at 7:52 pm
Hmmm I see a lot of new people in this blog. I’m also happy to see that my brothers and sisters are trying to show everyone here the truth of God’s will. Wow, Sister Lizzie, that’s quite interesting to find out that the Church of God in Myanmar is not really keeping God’s commandments and making a joke of it. Clearly, the Bible testifies that what happened before is to teach this generation. Those who do not keep God’s words always perish. Even in the time of Noah where people think it would never rain since it never happened before, God’s words always prevail and those who keep it are always saved.
I actually miss COGinator who calls me bozofromzion and the things he does to Church of God. I just hope someday his spiritual ears will hear and understand God’s will according to the Bible. COGinator, I’ll be waiting when we become spiritual brothers. I’ll keep praying for you. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on June 11, 2008
at 8:06 pm
Well, that “telephone story is full of BS……I have a family member who works for the telephone company and said that is a bunch of BS…….just another lie to get more blind followers to give money to the church….
By: mommadukes on June 11, 2008
at 8:19 pm
Brothers and Sisters of Church of God, let’s keep preaching the truth to those who are lost and bring them in God’s Heavenly barn.
Nowadays, if one were to ask a Christian if they have received salvation, most would respond by saying “yes” and often answer it confidently. However, if they are asked ” Do you celebrate the Passover?” most of them would hesitate in answering or may even ask “isn’t that a Jewish holiday?” Actually, according to the Bible, without the Passover no one can be saved.While most people are unaware that the Passover is one of God’s commandments that should be celebrated, the Church of God is the only church in the world that celebrates the Passover of the new covenant. They celebrate it even at its appointed time which is the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight by sacred calendar (Lev.23:4) One may ask, “How is it that Church of God is the only church that is able to keep the Passover?” Well, while the Passover was established two thousand years ago by Jesus Christ, it was restored nowadays by second coming Christ, AhnSahngHong and brought to the Church of God.The Passover is continuously mentioned throughout the Bible as being one of God’s most important Feasts, in which He grants us the gift of eternal life and the forgiveness of sins.
God not only promises eternal life through the Passover, but also gives the promise that we can escape from any disasters that occur. As surreal as that may seem, the Old Testament clearly gives us evidence of this fact. Those who celebrated the Passover would never be harmed by any plagues, while those who didn’t celebrate it, were always destroyed.
In other words, if we do not celebrate the Passover, we cannot have the forgiveness of sins or eternal life, nor can we be saved from the last disasters. The Church of God, which strongly believes in the prophecies of the Bible, celebrates the Passover, the truth of the Early Church, following the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong.
The origin of the Passover
In the Old Testament times, the Israelites had been under slavery in Egypt for four hundred and thirty years and yearned to be free. Because of this, God sent Moses to bring about their emancipation.
When Moses was eighty years old, God commanded him to ask Pharaoh to let the Israelites go. However, Pharaoh paid no attention to his request because he wanted the Israelites to serve him. In fact, he began to afflict the Israelites more severely. As a result, God was enraged at Pharaoh and the Egyptians and so decided to bring terrible plagues upon the whole land of Egypt: the plague of blood, the plague of frogs, of flies….of darkness. Although the Pharaoh did not want to face these plagues, he surprisingly became more adamant on not letting the Israelites go. It was actually God who hardened his heart so that he may judge Egypt.
Finally, God decided to send the tenth plague, the plague of the firstborn, on the fourteenth day of the first month by sacred year. This plague is when God decides to destroy all firstborn of Egypt, both men and animals. Since the Israelites were God’s people, God did not want them to be destroyed along with the Egyptians. Although a strange command at the time, He ordered the Israelites to take the blood of a year-old lamb and put it on the tops and sides of their door frames.
Ex. 12:1-14 『…”The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect …Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight…This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’s Passover…The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD-a lasting ordinance.”』
Since the Israelites had the blood of the lamb on their houses, they received the “sign” that God promised and were fortunate enough to escape the plague. This day was called the Passover, because the plague literally would “pass over” those who kept it.
On that day, the Israelites put the lamb’s blood on their doorframes, ate its roasted meat, and prepared to go on a journey. That night, as the Israelites waited, loud wailing could be heard. All of the firstborn of Egypt were killed, and that did not exclude the firstborn of Pharaoh. Pharaoh was furious after the death of his son, so during the night he summoned Moses and Aaron and told them to leave Egypt. At this point, the Egyptians grew tired of suffering from plagues and wanted the Israelites to leave quickly. Yet, before the Israelites left, God caused the Egyptians to be favorably disposed towards them, giving them articles of silver and gold, and even clothing.
The Passover was the day when God freed the Israelites from the slavery of Egypt. However, the Old Testament is not just Israelite history, but a shadow or a prophecy. In the New Testament times, the Passover is the only feast through which God’s people can receive the forgiveness of their sins and can be saved from all disasters.
God promised to give us eternal life through the Passover
Everybody would agree that they desire to have eternal life, but are unsure of how to receive it. Just as only God was able to save the Israelites during the Exodus, then it is only God that can reveal how to receive eternal life.
1 John 5: 20 『We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true-even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.』
Then, how will God grant us eternal life? In the Old Testament, it was the blood of the lamb that saved the Israelites from slavery during the time of the Exodus. In the New Testament, Christ came as the Passover lamb (1Co5:7) so it is only through His blood that we receive salvation.
John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
Jesus promised that whoever eats His body and blood will receive eternal life. Then through which Feast did he promise his body and blood?
Matt. 26:17-28 『…So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover…While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”』
Jesus Christ himself promised that if we receive his Body and Blood through the Passover, we can live forever. That should be reason enough to want to celebrate the Passover!
However, when Jesus Christ spoke about eternal life, He made it conditional. “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53). Then unless we celebrate the Passover, how can we receive eternal life?
The Passover that God established with the Israelites during the time of the Exodus is considered the old covenant Passover. When Jesus Christ established it two thousand years ago, He called it the new covenant Passover.
Luke 22:7-20 『Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed…When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.”…And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”』
No man can reveal how to receive eternal life so Jesus Christ came to show us that the only way to receive it, is by keeping the Passover of the new covenant.
Being freed from sin through the Passover
Most Christians would agree that they are sinners. However, few people know that the sin was actually committed in heaven and we were cast down to this Earth as a result. Then the only way to return to Heaven is to be forgiven of our sins through the Passover.
Luke 4: 17-21 『The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him…”He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind…”… and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”』
This verse explains how Jesus came to free the prisoners, but who are these prisoners he’s speaking of? Actually, once we sinned, we became slaves to sin and death and became captive to Satan. Through the precious blood of Jesus Christ, the Passover Lamb, we can be freed from slavery.
Rom 6:22 『But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.』
The history of the Israelites celebrating the Passover, being freed from slavery, and entering the desert is a prophecy that shows us what will happen to those who keep the Passover in the New Testament times. After receiving Jesus’ flesh and blood they will be freed from their sins and enter the spiritual desert (1 Cor. 10:1-12).
The last plagues and the Passover
The Bible prophecies that many disasters are to come, and the only way to escape them is by keeping the Passover.
Matt. 24:37-39 『”As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”』
1 Thess. 5:1-3 『Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.』
During the days of Noah, Noah warned the people that a flood was going to come. However, the people had never experienced one before, so they just mocked him and continued to live their lives, ignoring the news of salvation. Nowadays, we can see all around us that many disasters are occurring and many more will come. The most urgent thing now is for us to listen to the news of salvation. Besides, there are many prophecies in the Bible that speak of the last disasters. More importantly, God gives us to way to escape them.
Just as those people who were destroyed by the flood in Noah’s time, those who do not listen to the message of salvation nowadays, cannot receive eternal life. Although the Bible gives to way to escape disasters, men try to escape them by their own means. They’ll even go to the extreme such as making an underground shelter, going to another planet by rocket, fleeing to a peaceful country, or hiding within an atomic submarine under a North Pole iceberg. Even though they may be able to escape temporarily, eventually they will also have to face the disaster. Even the prophets long ago, prophesied about men who would do such things.
Zeph. 1:18 『Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath.』
Amos 9:2-4 『”Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring them down. Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, there I will hunt them down and seize them. Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, there I will command the serpent to bite them. Though they are driven into exile by their enemies, there I will command the sword to slay them. I will fix my eyes upon them for evil and not for good.”』
We are living in a crucial age in which we must study the prophecies of the Bible and follow the way of salvation. After all, who does not want to be saved? Any attempt made by man to escape disasters will fail, but if we follow the path that God left us, then we will receive salvation. To those who believe prophecies, God gave showed through ancient times what would happen at the end of the age.
Ex. 12:12-14 『”On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn-both men and animals-and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD-a lasting ordinance.”』
In Hebrews 11:28, it is written, “By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.” This means that no destructive plague was brought upon the houses where the blood of the Passover lamb had been sprinkled, because it became a sign.
God’s last plagues will be brought upon this sinful world. At that moment, who on earth can escape? Can’t the people who have the blood of Jesus, who have celebrated the Passover, escape? The power of the Passover will be revealed when the last plagues are brought upon the earth. Those who have not celebrated the Passover will regret it, and they will face God’s wrath and punishment.
Christ Ahnsahnghong, who restored the Passover of the New Covenant
The Passover was abolished at the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. At that time, the Passover completely disappeared from the world. Who on earth can have eternal life if the truth of life was abolished? Therefore, Jesus said that He would come a second time to restore the Passover.
Heb. 9:28 『…so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
Ahnsahnghong restored the Passover of the new covenant that had been abolished by Satan. Then, who do you think Ahnsahnghong is?
Isa. 25:6-9 『On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine-the best of meats and the finest of wines. On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken. In that day they will say, “Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”』
Ahnsahnghong, who restored the Passover of the new covenant, is the Second Coming Christ-God-who appeared in accordance with all of the prophecies of the Bible. The saints of the Early Church had cherished and celebrated the Passover of the new covenant! Christ Ahnsahnghong came in the flesh and restored the Passover so that we may be saved from the impending plagues. The Passover of the new covenant is the very gospel of Christ.
By: Elijah on June 11, 2008
at 8:19 pm
Our Father said, “The army moves on at the sound of the trumpet, and God’s people at the sound of the prophecy.”
Then, what prophetic sound should we now pay attention to? It is the word, “Fulfill the gospel, helping one another.” Studying the Bible, let’s come closer to God’s will contained within the prophecy.
Follow Christ’s Example
God wishes us to be of the same mind with one another according to Jesus Christ.
Ro 15:5-6 『May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus, so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.』
Jesus, our Teacher, always set examples of what we Christians should do, saying, “I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.” Among many examples, let’s take a close look at the example of preaching: From early in the morning until late at night Jesus continued His preaching (Mk 1:35-39).
Christ came to save souls destined to die due to sin; His whole life was a continual preaching. When Jesus finished His ministry on earth and went up to heaven, He gave His last command to us: “Preach the gospel to every creature.”
If we are going to imitate Christ, we should strive to preach the gospel with one mind. Preaching is an expression of our faith in God. It is a way to save the world through testifying to the will of God. Now, we should be united in mind in saving the world. Moving at the sound of the prophecy, we are to help one another and participate together in preaching.
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
We can find the will of God who wants us to be united, through the following parable given by Jesus.
Mt 20:1-16 『”For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who sent out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard. About the third hour he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went. He went out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour and did the same thing. About the eleventh hour he went out … ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’ When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’ The workers who were hired about the eleventh hour came and each received a denarius. So when those came who were hired first, … ‘These men who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’ But he answered one of them, ‘Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. …'”』
In the days of Jesus, the hours of daylight were divided into twelve from sunrise to sunset. According to present time, the third hour corresponds to nine o’clock in the morning, the sixth hour to noon, the ninth hour to three o’clock in the afternoon, and the eleventh hour to five o’clock.
In the parable, the landowner gave an opportunity to work in his vineyard to all who were standing outside doing nothing. The workers entered the vineyard at different times of the day―some early, some at nine o’clock in the morning, some at noon, some at three o’clock in the afternoon, and others at five o’clock. However, all of them received the same amount of pay.
It is natural to expect that when a man works longer he deserves to be paid more, isn’t it? However, the owner, God, gave an equal amount to all of the laborers from the last hired to the first.
God is just and upright (Dt 32:4). He gives to everyone according to what he has done (Rev 22:12). The God of justice gave the same amount to those who worked only one hour, as was paid to those who worked all day. Through this we can make sure that though they worked for different lengths of time, they did the same amount of work after all.
Complete the New Jerusalem Temple in Unity
Considering the above parable, we must not be proud of being called early. If we have already received the truth and become leaders in the Church, we should help later comers work well, instead of being conceited, so that we may all receive blessings and rewards in the kingdom of heaven. This is God’s will for us.
We are the materials for the building of God’s spiritual temple, the Jerusalem Temple: In God we are being built together (Eph 2:20-22). Those who have entered the vineyard early in the morning are the pillars, major supporters, in the New Jerusalem Temple. Those who have entered the vineyard at five o’clock in the afternoon are the materials used in the finishing process.
In building a house, basic construction materials and finishing materials have fundamentally different functions. If we have the function of basic building materials, we are not given the function of finishing materials. We can’t have both functions at once. We, the materials for the heavenly New Jerusalem Temple, have our own functions. It is impossible for us to carry out all other functions.
We, who have been called earlier, are obligated to help those who come later so that they can faithfully follow the will of our Father and Mother. Helping one another and fulfilling the gospel commission together with one accord―this is the will of God for us.
In the parable of the workers in the vineyard, the later comers did large amounts of work within a short time, and they also received a denarius. Maybe there were lots of help from many people. The earlier comers probably supported them in their work, sharing their skills and experiences with them. Likewise, our family members in Zion are working together in unity for the gospel work, so the Father and Mother are pleased with us and give the same blessing―the promise of heaven―to all of us.
Those who have come earlier and labored more than others will be blessed for their long lasting endurance. When the Lord settles spiritual accounts with us, some of us will receive a reward for sharing love, some a reward for helping others, and some a reward for bearing much fruit. Then God will greatly recommend us, saying, “You are really worthy of My children.”
We Are One Family
We are members of the heavenly family. However, we can’t fully perceive a deep emotional relationship of love among ourselves, because we are still veiled in our flesh.
Does anyone hate his family members because they diligently do housework?
Certainly not. What about us? Are we not jealous of brothers and sisters who work hard? If we pursue our own little self-absorbed desires, instead of having a spiritual ambition to enjoy eternal joy in our heavenly home after quickly finding our lost brothers and sisters, we may become jealous of brothers who have more talent than ourselves.
None of us must care only for ourselves, our own group, and our own local church. If we do, we are not worthy members of the heavenly family. As the first, we must have mature faith and help our spiritual younger brothers and sisters do more work. Even though they may act thoughtlessly sometimes, we are to help them correct their undesirable behaviors and live in accordance with the will of our Father and Mother.
As their reliable supporters, we should help them do even more. When they wander off without knowing where to go, we have to guide them. In the process of entering heaven, we must help our loving spiritual family, so that all of us can enter the kingdom of heaven together.
We are one body, since we have partaken of the bread and wine of the Passover symbolizing the body and blood of Christ (1 Co 10:16-17). In the Talmud, there is a story about a two-headed man. This story suggests the wisest way to discern whether or not it is one person with two heads or two people with one body. It is to pour hot water over one head.
When the other head bellows in pain, it is evident that the two heads are part of one person; however, if it feels no pain, they are certainly separate people, not one.
We are part of one body. God said, “If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.”
1 Co 12:12-27 『The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body … and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. … If the whole body were an eye,where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. …』
Even though the hand, the eye and the foot have different functions, they are parts of the same body. We, members of Zion family, are all one body. There should be no division in the body; its parts should have equal concern for each other.
Bear the Gospel Fruit in Unity
The gospel of the kingdom cannot be fulfilled unless we preach together, helping one another. If we do not work together in unity, we can’t be God’s soldiers who move on at the trumpet of the prophecy.
Ps 126:3-6 『 … Restore our fortunes, O LORD, like streams in the Negev. Those who sow in tears will reap with songs of joy. He who goes out weeping, carrying seed to sow, will return with songs of joy, carrying sheaves with him.』
Now, the family of Zion is sowing the seed of God’s word in the midst of hard-ship, expecting to reap fruit in joy. Brothers who are beside us now are the fruit reaped from suffering. They are our precious family we’ve found in Babylon. No one should grumble, whether he began work very early in the morning or at five o’clock in the afternoon. What is important is not the time or length of the work in the vineyard, but the fact that we are all members of the heavenly family.
We are given opportunities to work in God’s vineyard. When we work together in cooperation with one another, we can bear much fruit. The gospel work will be accomplished more quickly when we support our spiritual younger brothers so that they can do the work well. If an elder brother who started work early in the morning feels a little exhausted, the younger brother who entered the vineyard at noon can work harder; if he becomes somewhat weary, the third one who entered at three o’clock in the afternoon can make more effort; if he gets tired, the youngest one who entered at five o’clock in the afternoon can complete the work.
When we help one another, we can cultivate the vineyard to produce good fruit that is pleasing to our Father and Mother. Those who fully realize this fact are blessed by God more greatly.
Serve One Another in Love
God has told us, who are longing for the eternal kingdom of heaven, not to exalt ourselves but to serve one another in love.
Gal 5:13 『You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.』
Parents want their children to be honored by others. God wishes His children to be honored as kings in the kingdom of heaven. However, He wants them to serve one another in this earth.
Those who have been called first are likened to the elder brother in the family. When the first child is born, parents pour out their love into their firstborn. However, when their second baby is born, they put their energy into their second. Both the firstborn and the second-born are precious to their parents. Usually, however, a younger child needs more care than the older one. That’s why parents pay more attention towards the youngest; not only his/her parents but also all his/her elder brothers and sisters take care of him/her.
We have been called earlier. If we still want to be served by our family members in Zion, instead of supporting them, we are like an elder brother who wants to be served by the younger. Can a little baby serve his/her elder brother or sister? We are to care for our younger brothers and sisters. This is the will of our Father and Mother. The Bible says that the elder shall serve the younger.
Php 1:27-28 『Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Then, whether I come and see you or only hear about you in my absence, I will know that you stand firm in one spirit, contending as one man for the faith of the gospel without being frightened in any way by those who oppose you. This is a sign to them that they will be destroyed, but that you will be saved―and that by God.』
When we help and serve one another, we can become one. If all our family members in Zion become united in mind, helping one another in everything, this is a sign to our enemy the devil that he will be destroyed, but that we will be saved―and that by God.
God wants His children to be together in one mind and one accord in Zion, just as described in Psalms: “How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity” (Ps 133:1-3). God’s people are to move at the sound of the prophecy. All the brothers and sisters of the Churches of God, who are under God’s reign, must fulfill the beautiful unity.
As parts of the body, as materials for the New Jerusalem Temple, we are to faithfully carry out our functions. There may be a dissimilarity of character among ourselves. We need to see our differences like the various parts of one body and be subject to one another, so that we can go to heaven together.
Let’s help our family members, especially those who entered the vineyard at five o’clock in the afternoon, reach a level of faith pleasing to God. Let’s encourage them and assist them to bear fruit. Then this gospel will spread rapidly to the ends of the earth this year. We are to endure and spare no labor until all the prophecies are fulfilled. Dear brothers and sisters in Zion! Let’s serve one another, instead of expecting to be served. Then God will fulfill our wishes and allow us to bear abundant gospel fruit.
By: Robert on June 11, 2008
at 8:22 pm
Seems like our fellow brothers and sisters are coming in this blog to preach more and bear fruit. Clearly, the prophecy is being fulfilled that the gospel of God will be preach to the whole world, even in the internet. Good job brothers and sisters.
Matthew 28:19-20 – Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father(Jehovah) and of the Son(Jesus) and of the Holy Spirit(Ahnsahnghong), and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
By: Poland on June 11, 2008
at 8:26 pm
Hello, I’m a cult expert currently investigating this group’s involvement in a recent spate of New Jersey recruitments.
I would very much like to get in touch with ex members of this group, prefereably around the Ohio or Jersey area. If anyone has any information please email me at:
rickross@rickross.com
Thank you.
By: Rick on June 11, 2008
at 8:27 pm
Hi Rick,
I would like to get in touch with ex-COG members from the Bloomingdale Illinois church. My son is currently attending it, and is on the way to ruining his life. He currently earns around 6 figures, but mysteriously has no money. His wife doesn’t want him in the church, and he has refused to disclose his finances to her. They have only been married a short time, but she very clearly sees what they are doing to him, yet he is so brainwashed that he doesn’t see it at all. He does, however, want her to make her life savings available to him, though he won’t disclose what he has to her. It appears that he will eventually lose his job and his wonderful, beautiful, intelligent wife. Nothing anyone can say to him will get him to be rational, although he keeps stating he is entirely rational.
How can I get in touch with ex members? My son will not read anything critical of the church and their operations. He won’t listen to reason, even though he can’t answer the tough questions about the church that he has been asked. It is a total brainwashing operation, and they seem to have him.
My daughter in law needs help, and we live in Montana, and are too far away to help her through things. My son has forbidden us to talk to her about anything that would “upset” or “worry” her, which means the church. Well, she was already at her wit’s end, and had turned to me for help. Is there a support group?
My e-mail is harwoodmt@hotmail.com
By: mountainmom on November 15, 2009
at 12:39 am
Ted, please stop what your doing. We here in the Church of God has been praying that you see the truth of the will of God. You are always welcome if you decided to follow the commandments of God. Salvation of our soul is the most important thing and only God can give eternal life.
By: Bright Angel on June 11, 2008
at 8:30 pm
Bozofromzion said, “I actually miss COGinator who calls me bozofromzion and the things he does to Church of God. I just hope someday his spiritual ears will hear and understand God’s will according to the Bible. COGinator, I’ll be waiting when we become spiritual brothers. I’ll keep praying for you. God bless you all.”
Well, I’m glad you came back to see me. :)
I think your prayer can be answered very soon, about you and I being spiritual brothers. Infact all you need to do is repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness for the sin of occultism for worshiping the false gods of ASH and Mother J. Then we’ll be brothers in the one and only Christ called Jesus.
For Lizzie, I agree you and Poland didn’t cause the myanmar cyclone disaster. Nor do I think God was punishing the behavior of the CoG there. (I heard both members were Ok, and it was just the physical building).
Furthermore, there are a lot worse sexually inappropriate areas that if God was going to unleash his wrath upon you’d know.
But if you choose to beleive God punished them, then you should be asking yourself why he doesn’t do that to all the Christians that participate in Sunday Worship and Christmas. Could be that be an indication that he supports the notion of Sunday Worship and Christmas? If that’s true, then the CoG doesn’t have much validation of being the only Church that is in favor with God.
Also, I’m going to throw the CoG a bone. If you really want to effectively recuit people here…you have to shorten your posts, because when they get too long, us non-believers just scroll past them to get the next point. But if they were shorter we may actually read and think about what was posted. Unfortunately, doing so may make the points your stringing together easier to analyzie and dispute.
Oh yeah Frank…don’t assume we don’t love our neighbor here…infact the mere act of being here and dialoging with our neigbhor about thier mis consceptions and false doctrines is the action behind our love. You can love them and disagree.
By: CoGinator on June 11, 2008
at 9:36 pm
Lizzie said,
“Do you know the real reason that the cyclone disaster destroyed that church? They kept sinning even after taking the Passover. There was alot of SEXUAL IMMORALITY, THEY DESECRATED THE SABBATH, THEY WERE NOT IN THE TRUTH AND LACKED FAITH! I am sorry but I am not GOD and I cannot make a whole church BE SEXUALLY IMMORAL! I do not have the power to tell anyone, let alone a WHOLE CONGREGATION to take the Sabbath as a Joke, to not have sufficient FAITH. Mother called the church and asked the Pastor DO THEY KEEP THE SABBATH?, DO THEY HAVE FAITH? and the Pastor told her NO. She then warned him and told him to leave right away, to go back hime.
Like the story of LOT and SODOM & GAMORRAH. An angel of God warned Lot of the disaster coming upon the sin city and asked him to LEAVE and DONT LOOK BACK.”
Lizzie, I guess you are welcome. I didn’t see a reason why two individuals should be blamed for something as petty as posting on a blog.
Also, you said they were sinning in the church. First, I think that story is very bogus. Out of all of the COG branches, that church, is the only one to do such things?
You said, “Mother called the church and asked the Pastor DO THEY KEEP THE SABBATH?, DO THEY HAVE FAITH? and the Pastor told her NO. She then warned him and told him to leave right away, to go back hime.”
Lizzie, why is Mother Jerusalem asking questions? She omniscient remember. She called the pastor and asked if they had faith? Doesn’t she know who has faith and who doesn’t?
What would be the purpose is praying to her if she doesn’t know who has faith in her or not. That is a bogus story, Lizzie. You might as well have accepted the blame that Warrior had put on both you and Poland.
Lastly, you said, “She then warned him and told him to leave right away, to go back hime.”
So are you saying that she is the cause of the cyclone? She herself destroyed the church? Whether you want to believe it was her or ahnsahnghong, the point is, why destroy your own church and not destroy a Catholic church, a Jehovah Witness church, a Seventh Day Adventist church or any other church that is not a wms cog>
That is not possible for if any member of the COG were to do anything in your story, they would have been kicked out.
Those actions are not tolerated in your church. For my family member to get numerous phone calls and being humiliated in front of the congregation simply because she missed one sabbath day, well, I would have to say the story is nothing but BS.
You COG members having too much fear for god to even commit such things and that fear in instilled in all members, which is the fear that Mother Jerusalem is omniscient and she knows everything, even how much faith you have.
You COG members are too superstitious to even THINK about going against your own doctrine, better yet actually do it.
That story Lizzie, is a load of crap.
By: Dark Angel on June 11, 2008
at 9:46 pm
Also Lizzie,
Is the story about ahnsahnghong and Mother jerusalem taking a picture together, true?
You all claim that I’m misinformed which I find weird because most of my information comes from you COG members. So, I want to make sure that it’s correct.
Because if it is, you are basically saying that no one in the congregation knew who that ahnsahnghong was the “second coming” when he was alive, which I must say that Marcus/Ryan, told me something totally different some time ago on the cult-watch message board.
Unfortunately, Marcus/Ryan took the time to delete ALL of his comments, then, perhaps a week later the cult-watch message board was hacked and ALL posts and user accounts were deleted.
The good thing is that I remember what he posted. I’ve also asked him the same question here on this blog, he just happened to give me an answer on the cult-watch message board.
So Marcus, if you are around, let’s talk about what you said please.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 11, 2008
at 10:00 pm
Poland, Bro from zion, Lizzie, Elijah why must you lie. I do not see any other brother or sister besides you’ll here who are fighting with the anti-cog. I feel you all are making a mess of everything. You’ll cannot tackle the questioning. You must understand well the teachings of the Cog but kept repeating the same post which allows them to have more doubts on our truth. This is not what Ahnsahnghong & mother taught us we need have more sheep. But do not be argumentative. We have father and mother and they do not need defenders? What have we to fear when we have the truth from the bible even if our cog gets destroyed. Ahnsahghong fulfilled all prophesy.
Another thing I also noticed on one of our blog
http://heaven144.blogspot.com/
Our brother writing this:
God himself will teach us how to walk in his ways!!!!! The Law will come from Jerusalem!!!! The only Church that has fulfilled this prophecy is The Church of God World Mission Society.
God Ahnsahnghong taught us how to walk in his ways!!!!
God Ahnsahnghong established Zion!!!
God Ahnsahnghong lead us to our heavenly Mother, the New Jerusalem!!!!
Christ Ahnsahnghong truly is my SAVIOR
These words our brother has posted above the picture of a donkey wearing 2 different pair of shoes
Doesn’t this make us feel like donkeys. If we are the true spiritual brother and sister of Cog why don’t we concur with each other and think well before we write or speak.
we are under persecution and some anti-cog emails me that Joo cheol should change the title of his book “My sheep listen to my voice ” to “My donkeys only listen to my voice”
Its very hurtful. May our father and mother open up their eyes
By: warrior on June 11, 2008
at 10:14 pm
Lizzie and Poland,
Here’s what Warrior is saying about you two on the Brendoman site. Maybe you both need to address him. That is what I mea about you members not agreeing with one another. Some members believe one thing and other members believe another, then I’m blamed for being misinformed.
“Poland, with me as a deacon of the Cog I feel Lizzie and you have made a mess of everything. You both could not tackle the problem of their questioning. You must understand well the teachings of the Cog but kept repeating the same post which allows them to have more doubts on our truth. This is not what Ahnsahnghong & mother taught us we need have more sheep. But you have taken it as an argument. Does our mother God need a defender?
Another thing I noticed on one of our blog
(He states the “Heaven144 blog”)
God himself will teach us how to walk in his ways!!!!! The Law will come from Jerusalem!!!! The only Church that has fulfilled this prophecy is The Church of God World Mission Society.
God Ahnsahnghong taught us how to walk in his ways!!!!
God Ahnsahnghong established Zion!!!
God Ahnsahnghong lead us to our heavenly Mother, the New Jerusalem!!!!
Christ Ahnsahnghong truly is my SAVIOR
These words our brother has posted above the picture of a donkey wearing 2 different pair of shoes Doesn’t this make us feel like donkeys. If we are the true spiritual brother and sister of Cog why don’t we concur with each other and think well before we write or speak.
we are under persecution and some anti-cog emails me that Joo cheol should change the title of his book “My sheep listen to his voice ” to “My donkeys have listened to my voice”
Its very hurtful. May our father and mother open up their eyes.”
By: Dark Angel on June 11, 2008
at 10:18 pm
Oh WOW!
I cant believe that a DEACON of the CoG is saying such things! Its like when the anti-CoG crew believe that certain unbelieving bloggers are CoG members in disguise.
I personally am following the commands of Christ. Preaching at every opportunity!
I agree with CoGinator about the shorter posts being more captivating, but you have to understand that the CoG members are actually giving you studies in this website. Those are full blown studies. And the reason they do this is to shed some light in this very dark website.
I also sometimes skip all of them myself (theyre way too long) I even do that to the unbelievers posts. I like something that is to the point.
I guess some members of the CoG (or are they?) are talking behind brothers backs on other websites =( How sad it is that we arent in unity!!!
Ps 133:1-3 『How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! It is like precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, running down on Aaron’s beard, down upon the collar of his robes. It is as if the dew of Hermon were falling on Mount Zion. For there the LORD bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.』
1 Co 10:16-17 『Is it not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is it not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.』
Well this isnt a teaching of Christ. I believe our Mothers teachings include:
“As Abraham was blessed with the better when he gave in for his nephew Lot, so we are blessed more greatlywhen we give in for brothers”
“As the sea receives all the dirt and purifies it, we should have the broad and beautiful mind enough to cover up even the brothers’ faults”
“When we praise brothers, the praise returns to us”
I guess some of the so called brothers dont follow our Christs and Mother New Jerusalem teachings.
I am here for 1 thing alone. To support my brothers and sisters (I started w Ryan/Marcus) and now I am here to try my hardest to bare fruit or at least open the eyes of the unbelievers who are in the dark. Our Christ came to bring light to shine the light onto the darkness.
John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 9:5
While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
John 12:46
I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Ephesians 5:8
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light
1 Thessalonians 5:5
You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
1 John 1:5
[ Walking in the light ] This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
I pray that God Blesses all on this website (whether it be Jehovah/Jesus?Ahnsahnghong) and bring all the unbelievers to repentance!
Thank you Poland/brofromzion/and all the others who are supporting us.
By: Lizzie on June 12, 2008
at 7:32 am
Hi Lizzie,
in regards to your post about ahnsahnghong and mother jerusalem taking a picture together, is that information correct?
Also, is mother jerusalem omniscient?
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 12, 2008
at 8:31 pm
Wow…
We are all truley blessed. The Lord is doing miraclous things on this blog. I am reading the CoG members posts and there is doubt and confusion being generated amongst the members of the WMSCOG.
You all are starting to see how the doctrine is circlular and can’t stand up on it’s on. Further you see that different branches teach things different. This is helping you see why don’t agree with the doctrine that has been presented to you.
One reason for that confusion is that the duplication process that originates at the top gets messed up at some branch and then continues to duplicate wrong. See if the fundamentals were understood instead of the repetitive studies being memorized you would have a more constistant understanding.
Lizzie said, “I agree with CoGinator about the shorter posts being more captivating, but you have to understand that the CoG members are actually giving you studies in this website.”
The studies are designed to move quickly and make wrong assumptions and then move on to a different scripture as to not question the previous one. If we slowed down to discuss them then we’d have time to talk about other possiblilities and how they fit into not only the point that is tried to be proven, but about the situtation and time frame the author was in and all the environmental variables that help us understand what the author was conveying.
Any bets on who renounces thier affiliation with the WMSCOG first? Poland, Lizzie, Brofromzion, warrier, or clark? (Just kidding Clark).
By: CoGinator on June 12, 2008
at 9:14 pm
One thing I notice about the teachings of the WMSCOG is that they choose to accpet some aspects of the Mosaic Law and not other. For example the worshipping on the Sabbath is highly regarded as a must…and as we’ve read, if a member doesn’t do it, they get chastised in front of the congregation. Why are you taught to keep the sabbath, but you can eat pork. the Mosaic law has always been one entity and you can’t separate and pick and choose which laws you keep and which you can ignore (i.e. the religion of the smorgusborg…a little of this and a little of that).
I believe one reason for choosing to keep the Sabbath is that it goes against the grain and really shows and proves who in the collective group is believing the doctrine that is being fed to you.
Secondly, it is a time long debated aspect of Christianity and Juddism that doesn’t seem outrageous.
Thirdly, the WMSCOG originated out of Seventh Day Adventist, so much of thier original doctrine is applied.
But, One of the profound emphases of the New Testament, especially the epistles of Paul, is that Christians are no longer under the rule of the Mosaic law. This truth is stated in no uncertain terms and in various ways (see Rom. 6:14; 7:1-14; Gal. 3:10-13, 24-25; 4:21; 5:1, 13; 2 Cor. 3:7-18), but in spite of this, there have always been those who insist that the Mosaic Law, at least the Ten Commandments, are still in force for the Christian. In regard to the relation of Christian ethics to the Mosaic Law.
By: CoGinator on June 12, 2008
at 9:24 pm
con’t from above…
There are Christian teachers of repute who consider the Mosaic law to be the present-day rule of life for the Christian.1 A view not infrequently found among earnest, orthodox believers is that although we are not saved by the law, once we have been justified by faith, then the Mosaic law becomes our rule of life. Those holding such a view generally make a sharp division of the Mosaic law into two parts, which they distinguish as the moral and the ceremonial. The ceremonial portion they consider as having found its fulfillment in Christ at His first advent, and thus as having now passed away. But the moral portion of the Mosaic law, say they, is still in force as the believer’s rule of life. The treatment given to Christian ethics by some highly respected authors is indeed but little more than an exposition of the Decalogue.
It seems exceedingly strange that Bible-believing Christians should advocate such a view, when the New Testament makes it abundantly clear that the believer in Christ is not any longer under the Mosaic law in its entirety… Indeed after having been delivered from the law, to deliberately place ourselves once again under its [control] is said to be “falling from grace.”
But let it be immediately understood that this does not mean to say that we should necessarily behave in a manner just opposite to what the Mosaic law commands—that we should kill, steal, bear false witness, etc. Long before the law was given through Moses, it was utterly wrong to do such evil things. . .
By contrast, the age in which we live, the church age, has often and rightly been called the age of grace. This is not because God’s grace has not been manifested in other ages, but because in the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ we have the ultimate manifestation of God’s grace.
Titus 2:11-12. For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people. It trains us to reject godless ways and worldly desires and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
Grace becomes an absolutely inseparable part of the believer’s life in Christ. In the coming of Christ and His death on the cross, the Mosaic Law as a rule of life was terminated. The believer is now to live in the liberty and power of God’s grace by the Spirit, not the rule of law. This new liberty must never be used as an occasion to indulge the flesh or sinful appetites (Gal. 5:13) nor does it mean the Christian has no moral law or imperatives on his life, but simply that he or she is to live righteously by a new source of life as asserted in Romans 8.
Romans 8:2-4. For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
So for the sake of arguement, let’s just assume for a minute that ASH doesn’t exist. All your understanding of this as has to be filtered as if you are a new person and you don’t have belief in the second comming arriving already.
By: CoGinator on June 12, 2008
at 9:32 pm
From Lizzie “Do you know the real reason that the cyclone disaster destroyed that church? They kept sinning even after taking the Passover. There was alot of SEXUAL IMMORALITY, THEY DESECRATED THE SABBATH, THEY WERE NOT IN THE TRUTH AND LACKED FAITH! I am sorry but I am not GOD and I cannot make a whole church BE SEXUALLY IMMORAL! I do not have the power to tell anyone, let alone a WHOLE CONGREGATION to take the Sabbath as a Joke, to not have sufficient FAITH. Mother called the church and asked the Pastor DO THEY KEEP THE SABBATH?, DO THEY HAVE FAITH? and the Pastor told her NO. She then warned him and told him to leave right away, to go back hime.
Like the story of LOT and SODOM & GAMORRAH. An angel of God warned Lot of the disaster coming upon the sin city and asked him to LEAVE and DONT LOOK BACK.
The Passover isnt a sure fire way to have eternal life, you need faith with deeds, you need to keep ALL OF FATHERS COMMANDMENTS. (James 2:20-26)
Now all of you non-believers, WHY WOULD MOTHER HAVE THE POWER TO BRING ABOUT NATURAL DISASTERS IF SHE IS NOT GOD?!”
Lizzie, I guess those churches that keeps Sunday worship, Easter Sunday, Christmas are the true church since they are not destroyed by a disaster. Dark Angel and COGinator clearly have a point. Why would M.J. destroy her own church? Makes me wonder that she would destroy her own church instead of other churches that the COG calls ‘Weeds’ according to their Weeds and Wheat study. Shouldn’t the members of COG questioning M.J. by now? Well what can you do if they are brainwashed.
By: Clark on June 12, 2008
at 10:03 pm
By the way, it is not M.J. who destroyed the COG in Myanmar. It is called Cyclone.
In meteorology, a cyclone is an area of low atmospheric pressure characterized by inward spiraling winds that rotate counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere of the Earth. The generic term covers a wide variety of meteorological phenomena. These include tropical cyclones and extratropical cyclones, so meteorologists rarely use “cyclone” without additional qualification.
There are a number of structural characteristics common to all cyclones. Their center is the area of lowest atmospheric pressure, often known in mature tropical and subtropical cyclones as the eye. Near the center, the pressure gradient force (from the pressure in the center of the cyclone compared to the pressure outside the cyclone) and the Coriolis force must be in an approximate balance, or the cyclone would collapse on itself as a result of the difference in pressure. The wind flow around a large cyclone is counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere as a result of the Coriolis effect. (An anticyclone, on the other hand, rotates clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere.)
Cold-core cyclones (most cyclone varieties) form due to the nearby presence of an upper level trough, which increases divergence over an area that induces upward motion and surface low pressure. Warm-core cyclones (such as tropical cyclones and many mesocyclones) can have their initial start due to a nearby upper trough, but after formation of the initial disturbance, depend upon a storm-relative upper level high to maintain or increase their strength.
By: Clark on June 12, 2008
at 10:05 pm
Each of the six main types of cyclone has further characteristics which define it as either a Polar cyclone, Polar low, Extratropical, Subtropical, Tropical, or Mesoscale.
Polar cyclone
Polar or Arctic cyclones are vast areas of low pressure. A polar cyclone is a low pressure weather system, usually spanning 1,000–2,000 kilometers, in which the air circulates in a counterclockwise direction in the northern hemisphere, and a clockwise direction in the southern.
Polar low
Polar low over the Barents Sea on February 27, 1987Main article: Polar low
A polar low is a small-scale, short-lived atmospheric low pressure system (depression) that is found over the ocean areas poleward of the main polar front in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. The systems usually have a horizontal length scale of less than 1,000 km and exist for no more than a couple of days. They are part of the larger class of mesoscale weather systems. Polar lows can be difficult to detect using conventional weather reports and are a hazard to high-latitude operations, such as shipping and gas and oil platforms.
Polar lows have been referred to by many other terms, such as polar mesoscale vortex, Arctic hurricane, Arctic low, and cold air depression. Today the term is usually reserved for the more vigorous systems that have near-surface winds of at least 17 m/s.
Extratropical
A fictitious synoptic chart of an extratropical cyclone affecting the UK and Ireland. The blue arrows between isobars indicate the direction of the wind, while the “L” symbol denotes the centre of the “low”. Note the occluded, cold and warm frontal boundaries.Main article: Extratropical cyclone
An extratropical cyclone, sometimes inaccurately called a cyclone, is a synoptic scale low pressure weather system that has neither tropical nor polar characteristics, being connected with fronts and horizontal gradients in temperature and dew point otherwise known as “baroclinic zones”.
The descriptor “extratropical” refers to the fact that this type of cyclone generally occurs outside of the tropics, in the middle latitudes of the planet. These systems may also be described as “mid-latitude cyclones” due to their area of formation, or “post-tropical cyclones” where extratropical transition has occurred, and are often described as “depressions” or “lows” by weather forecasters and the general public. These are the everyday phenomena which along with anti-cyclones, drive the weather over much of the Earth.
Although extratropical cyclones are almost always classified as baroclinic since they form along zones of temperature and dewpoint gradient, they can sometimes become barotropic late in their life cycle when the temperature distribution around the cyclone becomes fairly uniform with radius.
By: Clark on June 12, 2008
at 10:37 pm
Subtropical
A subtropical cyclone is a weather system that has some characteristics of a tropical cyclone and some characteristics of an extratropical cyclone. It can form in a wide band of latitude, from the equator to 50°.
Tropical
A tropical cyclone is a storm system fueled by the heat released when moist air rises and the water vapor in it condenses. The term describes the storm’s origin in the tropics and its cyclonic nature, which means that its circulation is counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere. Tropical cyclones are distinguished from other cyclonic windstorms such as nor’easters, European windstorms, and polar lows by the heat mechanism that fuels them, which makes them “warm core” storm systems.
Depending on their location and strength, there are various terms by which tropical cyclones are known, such as hurricane, typhoon, tropical storm, cyclonic storm and tropical depression.
Tropical cyclones can produce extremely strong winds, tornadoes, torrential rain, high waves, and storm surges. The heavy rains and storm surges can produce extensive flooding. Although their effects on human populations can be devastating, tropical cyclones also can have beneficial effects by relieving drought conditions. They carry heat away from the tropics, an important mechanism of the global atmospheric circulation that maintains equilibrium in the Earth’s troposphere.
By: Clark on June 12, 2008
at 10:44 pm
Mesoscale
A mesocyclone is a cyclonic vortex of air, between approximately 2 and 10 km diameter within a convective storm. They can often be found in association with updrafts in supercells, where tornadoes may form. The term refers only to mesoscale cyclones found within convective storms, and does not apply to other cyclones on the mesoscale. Storms with mesocyclones can feature strong surface winds and severe hail.
Extraterrestrial cyclones
Cyclone on Mars, imaged by the Hubble Space TelescopeCyclones are not unique to Earth. Cyclonic storms are common on Jovian planets, like the Small Dark Spot on Neptune. Mars has also exhibited cyclonic storms. Jovian storms like the Great Red Spot are usually mistakenly named as giant hurricanes or cyclonic storms. However, this is inaccurate, as the Great Red Spot is, in fact, the inverse phenomenon, an anticyclone.
The citation of these is Google, then Cyclone, then WikiPedia.
I had to post it in partial sections to make it more clear and easy to read. Science shows facts. COG teachings shows myths.
By: Clark on June 12, 2008
at 10:47 pm
I agree with COGinator. That’s the reason why now it doesn’t matter if you worship on any day or any religious ritual because after Jesus Christ died on the cross, He fulfilled all of the Law of Moses. Jesus Christ in the only way through salvation if you accept Him even on your last dying breathe.
By: Frank on June 12, 2008
at 11:35 pm
Clark,
Thanks for the lesson in Cyclones, however it was way over kill, which I imagine to be your passive agressive approach further your opinion that all Christianity is a cult.
To which my response is almost all things are a cult in some way, shape, or form. For example the Marine Corps is a cult. There are cultual rituals, specific language, and behavioral expectations that are repremanded if not adhered to. Even clubs like toast masters or tipping groups all have protocols and click-like behavior.
So I say, if you are going to be part of a cult…and we all are… make it be one that is benefical and productive towards the lifestyle that you desire.
I think what separates mainstream christianity from the WMSCOG, aside from the differences on how to interpret the meaning of the bible, which is one aspect of what I feel compelled to defend, is the end result. Generally speaking mainstream christianity helps people live better lives, while the WMSCOG causes destruction and separation by teaching rules and rituals and not life principles.
By: CoGinator on June 13, 2008
at 7:06 am
Oh yeah…Frank nailed it in the most concise posting to date! Way to go Frank!!
By: CoGinator on June 13, 2008
at 7:09 am
Thanks COGinator. I have been preach by a Church of God member showing me their doctrines. However, I disagree in some of their teachings. If you carefully read the Bible, clearly Jesus Christ gave us the the new commandment which is Love God and Love your neighboor. I don’t think it matters when do you keep the Passover or the Sabbath day. These are not commandments litterally. These are just some things he showed but the reality of salvation is found is Jesus Christ. Believe and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and He will save you no matter how many sins you did.
By: Frank on June 13, 2008
at 6:09 pm
I actually agree with COGinator. Every beliefs out there can be labeled as cult. That’s why picking a cult believe must be carefully analyze. Of course, it’s gonna depend on what you really want. For me, I always think that I’m only going to live once. So I might as well enjoy it. For me, having a religious belief is like being hand cuff from behind and I couldn’t do what I really want in life.
As for Christians, including COG(like they are in the mainstream Christianity), a lot of them are liars. They say they follow the Bible yet they are still sinning. Don’t they think it’s disrespectful to their God to say the follow the Bible but keeps breaking His commandments? So I choose to live my life. I am happy with my college degree, making six figures a year, take vacations whenever I can. Just enjoy life.
However, it’s funny that when I see something wrong or I have a problem, a lot of times I say “Oh my God”. It’s just an expression for me but to some of my Christian friends said that Jesus is knocking in my heart and all I have to do is accept Him. I guess I believe in Jesus after all.
But for COG, it’s even harder to believe that they are worshipping God that is “a man and a woman”. I have some of my friends that have family members that left them because their love ones wanna follow God in COG. If you look at the Bible, as Frank said, I don’t think the COG is following Jesus commandments which is Love God and your neighboor. How can it be love when it breaks family? It’s even more harder to consider COG being a Christian. Also, there are so many things you can see that the COG makes a false church. First off, they don’t agree with their doctrines. Each of their church has a different story of ASH and M.J. Second, they can’t answer simple questions thrown at them. They would rather believe the answer is in the Bible which clearly it’s not the right answer their giving. Finally, how can ASH be Jesus when he can’t even rise from the dead just as written in the Bible that Jesus rose from the dead. ASH even prophecied the “Second Coming of Jesus” in 1988 and it was failed.
COG=FAIL!
By: Clark on June 13, 2008
at 8:51 pm
Clark, I know exactly where you are comming from. Before I became a Christian, I shared the exact same philosphy about religion. I think my exact words were “It’s good for those people who need it.”
And yet, even thought I tried to resist it, I ultimately had a change of heart, through the works of hundreds of different people that came into my life with in a 5 year span.
Clark you said, “For me, having a religious belief is like being hand cuff from behind and I couldn’t do what I really want in life.”
I know what you mean by that! I too thought that by being a Christain means you suddenly have to give up all your freedoms and live this perfect life. And yet, when you do attempt to live a sinless life (we all attempt and we all fail in some way shape or form), you suddenly feel more free and have less bondage around your life. It’s a hard thing to describe, and it’s totally counter intuitive, but I do feel that attempting to live my life according to the word of Jesus that I am more liberated then when I was trying to be my own god, so to speak.
Also, and maybe you don’t want to answer this, what do you want to do in life that being a christian would prevent you from doing? (Serial Killer? Look at the BTK killer, he was a Christian :) ).
I think everyone has a God sized hole in thier heart that they are looking for, but some don’t realize it, or some try and resist it because they see it as a weakness. Sometime sexual immorality is tried to fit in that hole, sometimes it’s drugs or alcohol, or even recreation.
Clark, feel free to believe what ever you want (as I’m sure you will). Just know, that your christian friends love you regardless of what you choose, and while it may seem anyoying that they preach the gospels to you (especially when your close enough to see thier faults and sins and percieve them as hypocrites), they do it becuase you are worth it in thier eyes.
I just thank you for your support in helping prove and show that the CoG is not doing any families any good, when they mis-understand the bible as we know it.
By: CoGinator on June 13, 2008
at 10:12 pm
COGinator, it’s just common sense. If you want to follow God, make sure it’s the right path. I only know the Bible a little bit because I was still raised from a Christian family. Even in the Bible says that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit just as a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. If you look at the COG closely, you can clearly see that they are a bad tree meaning a bad church since they broke families and their so called Elohim God cannot even make the right prophecy.
According to the Bible, everything Jesus said happened and not a single words He said failed. So how is ASH be Jesus when he prophecied the Second Coming of Jesus in 1988 and it failed? Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s what I found out about ASH. Also, why are the members of COG are avoiding the simplest questions thrown at them? Is the personal life of ASH and M.J. are written in the Bible? Then how come you can find out the personal life of Jesus in the Bible? I’m talking about what He did like He was a carpenter, etc. All the COG members say that ASH and M.J. fulfilled the prophecy as Spirit and the Bride in the Revelations. That’s pretty bogus. It really makes me wonder. Even out of all Christian denomination out there, the COG has the most intriguing things and unbelievable things they do to their member’s love ones, including brainwashing them. Why can the COG members would wake up one day and realize the facts about their church? I challenge any COG members to answer the simplest questions thrown at them correctly. Ted, COGinator and Dark Angel have tried to make you guys see your church fruits and yet you guys don’t wanna listen. If you guys want us to believe you, answer all questions thrown at you then you guys would probably bear fruit.
By: Clark on June 13, 2008
at 10:45 pm
Wow Clark is now a follower of Ted and company. Ted, good job in brainwashing Clark. Now you have an atheist member. You must be happy Ted. Again, you guys are expecting us to answer you questions which has nothing to do with what is actually testified in the Bible. I don’t wanna waste my time showing you guys the truth of the Bible since you guys already made up your mind that the Church of God World Mission Society is a false church. I feel sorry for you guys when Judgement Day comes. Don’t worry, I’ll pray that Father and Mother would open the eyes of the blind in the Bible’s truth members of Ted’s company.
By: Poland on June 13, 2008
at 10:53 pm
Poland are you that naive to think that Clark is a follower of Ted simply because they share a common view point. It doesn’t work that way.
Yes, we’ve come to a decision about the mode operation that the WMSCOG (not even the “Church of God”) operates in…and the fruit that it bares is tainted…just look at the number of familes that are in conflict in ratio to the number of members of the WMSCOG. It’s astronomical!!!!
What you claim is “testifed in the bible” is really “twisted from the bible”.
A great deal of confusion exists over the issues of law and grace and the place of the Mosaic law in the New Testament believer’s life. However, the basic principle is that the “fusion” of law and grace brings a “confusion” which results in sterile legalism. Because of man’s natural bent toward either legalism or license, the place and function of the Law has been an issue in the Christian community since the very early days of the church. There have always been those who have sought to put the Christian back under the Law or make the Law necessary for both salvation and sanctification. As a result large sections of the New Testament are written directly to this issue (see Acts 15 and the council at Jerusalem; Romans 5:10; 6:14; 7:1f; 2 Cor. 3:6-18; and the entire book of Galatians). These passages were written against a legalistic use of the Law, one which promotes works to gain points with either God or people; works of self-effort rather than a life lived by the power and personal leading of the Holy Spirit.
Other parts of the New Testament are written against license and the misuse of liberty (Gal. 5:13ff. Rom. 6:1ff; 8:4ff; Tit. 2:11-14). But the answer is never to put the Christian back under the Law, but rather a proper understanding and appreciation of God’s grace to us in Christ. Christian liberty is not the right to do as one pleases, but the power, desire, and will to do as one ought in and by the power of God and a regenerated life.
This is ultimately the focus of Titus 2:11-14. The glorious manifestation of God’s grace in Christ instructs and trains believers in how to live. This grace provides the incentive, the motive, and the means.
WMSCOG’ers, I encourage you to continue to challenge the doctrine put fourth in front of you from your church. Stop for a moment, being on the defensive of your churches theory’s, and do some outside investigation and play both sides of the fence so you can better understand why we feel the WMSCOG’s doctrine doesn’t add up correctly. I am 100% confident that if you really looked into it (which is going to be difficult, because your surroundings and the people you associate with are going to be under the influence of culture and thoughts of the church), you will come to the same conclusions that we too have come to. Keep in mind, your not getting the full story from your decons and elders at the church.
God Bless all!
By: CoGinator on June 14, 2008
at 2:36 am
BTW
To whomever believes I will convert to a Sunday/Idol loving religion, YOU ARE SOOO WRONG! Those who desecrate the Lords Sabbath will be put to death… SO YEAH I THINK THATS A COMMANDMENT THAT MUST BE KEPT!!
I will never renounce my love for the CoG! So you are all wrong. You failed if those were your intentions or beliefs. I will always be a true follower of the 2nd Coming Christ and of the Heavenly Mother which has come down from Heaven.
If our Father and Mother fulfilled all prophesies (which no one has to date, but them) and established the Church of God as mentioned in the Bible, that only GOD will do (whic is the WMSCOG) this is where I am going to be, not in some SUN GOD CATHOLIC derived church.
About the PASSOVER in John 6:53 It says UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLLOD (the Passover) YOU HAVE NO LIFE!
Jesus (God Himself) came from heaven leaving his thrown behind to save the SOULS of his lost sheep. He came to preach repentance & to give us life. He even told the Disciples to do as he did…
It was highly imperitive for him to keep the PASSOVER as stated in Luke 22:15. He has EAGERLY been waiting. He knew without it we had no chance of eternal life. So thats another command I THINK IS NEEDED TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. DUH!!!
But you all are ignorants that cannot see the truth. I am so sorry for you. I will pray for you to open your eyes, because prayer is the most powerful spiritual weapon we possess. The Lord promised us to come a second time and all of you who “claimed” to be eagerly awaiting for him to come in the clouds [meaning FLESH], and when he gets here you reject him. You didnt even know your God.. How sad is that?? But its was already prophesied!
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Acts 13:27
The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath.
But once again Father warned us about you…
1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
You know whats funny… I NEVER CLAIMED I WAS WAITING FOR HIM TO COME FROM THE CLOUDS IN SOME GLORIOUS WAY. But yet I was one of those lost sheep he called. I am one of his chosen and called ones. You must be mad that he didnt call on you.
2 Peter 1:3
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
Actually he has called on you… over and over, even here in this very website, but you turn us away and even put us down and make fun of us and our belief in the true Christ. We are the LAST TRUMPET SOUND CALLING OUT TO YOU. =( PLEASE LISTEN
Frank,
Youre right…
“Jesus Christ in the only way through salvation if you accept Him even on your last dying breathe.”
Even on your last dying breathe, if you accpet that Christ has come a second time as prophesied you will have salvation!
I am not any more special than any of you… I just accepted his calling. I figured 1 and 1 makes 2. If its prophesied in the Bible (the HOLY book) and FULFILLED by ASH than he must be God.
Only God can open the way to salvation because it was he who blocked in the begining. Remember the Adam & Eve Garden of Eden Story where the Tree of Life was blocked by 2 cherubim w flaming swords?
Jesus came to bring the keys to the heavenly kingdom but no one listened, just a few. And only after his death Christianity was formed… why didnt they believe when the Apostles called out with a trumpet call?
Its happening again! But this time there wont be a 3rd time… This time the end will come!
I will pray for all of you.
By: Lizzie on June 14, 2008
at 3:07 am
COG members, don’t think that we’re doing this because we hate you or something like that. We are just showing you the ‘facts’ about your church. As a matter of fact, just like ex-member cult from the Brendoman site, he finally wakes up and see the truth of the COG. Any member of COG should be able to question the church. Just look at the apostles in the Bible, didn’t they continiously ask questions to Jesus? Don’t let the leaders of COG brainwash you guys. For example, if ASH failed to prophecy about Jesus Second Coming in 1988, don’t let your deacons and elders say “Oh the reason it didn’t happen because there are prophecies that needs to be fulfilled in order for these and these to happen”. That’s brainwashing method. Anyone has the right to question anyone for their own good. I’m glad there are people like COGinator, Ted and Dark Angel who are patient enough to save the members of COG from throwing their life for nothing.
Now members of COG, again if you guys are really the true church you guys say, answer all the questions that are asked to you guys. There are people who are very picky as far as choosing a belief. That’s even how you guys are gonna lose propective members. Of course it’s common to people if they hear something they have never heard before to ask questions before they decide if it is good for them or not. It’s just the way it is. For example, if I want to save money on buying a new car that I want, I check different dealers to see which ones have the best deals. I wanna make sure I have all the details before I decide. Same in choosing a religious belief or everything else. I hope this helps the family of the members of the COG.
By: Clark on June 14, 2008
at 3:11 am
Lizzie said “Even on your last dying breathe, if you accpet that Christ has come a second time as prophesied you will have salvation!”
If this is the case then Lizzie, you just admitted that the only thing necessary to do is accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Lizzie if your dying and you wanna have salvation from Jesus, do you think you have to celebrate the Passover at that very moment? Lizzie the person is dying and I don’t think Jesus will judge the person if he/she did the Passover right before he/she dies. Only by believing and accepting Jesus Christ is the way to the true salvation just as He promised. God bless you Lizzie.
By: Frank on June 14, 2008
at 3:22 am
Hi everyone. We, the World Mission Society Church of God, are workers approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel and to participate in His great mission. Then, what is our attitude toward the gospel? It is a very important matter.
As spiritual harvesters who spread the seed of the gospel and gather the wheat, which spirit do we have, the spirit of slavery or the spirit of sonship? Do we not work with the spirit of slavery, just treading the courts? There is a great difference between the spirit of slavery and the spirit of sonship.
A man with the spirit of sonship shares in God’s sufferings so that he may also share in His glory
Let us suppose that there is a servant in a rich farm. Thinking that it is enough just to receive his wages, the servant does not faithfully do the work of sowing seeds and making them grow well but spends every day lazily. He shrinks his work on the pretext of wind, heat or rain.
However, a son faithfully sows seeds and tends them so that they may bear fruit. Even under the scorching hot sun, he works joyfully, expecting the fruits in autumn; for he himself is the owner of the fruits, earned by his sweat during the heat of summer. Thinking that the golden-yellow autumn grains and fruits are his own, he does not find his work laborious even in the summer’s heat.
Thus, there is a fundamental difference between the spirit of slavery and the spirit of sonship. Keeping this in mind, let’s think over what should be our attitude toward the gospel.
Ro 8:14-18 『because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. … The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs―heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.』
We are the children of God―heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ―who are to share in Christ’s sufferings in order to also share in His glory. Now, we have to ask ourselves whether we have the spirit of slavery or the spirit of sonship as the gospel workers.
Every member of our Church is quietly doing what is entrusted to him and carries out every part of his duty. The Bible says that there are many things that may cause suffering or anger in the process of doing the work of the gospel. It also says that there are two kinds of people: those who have the spirit of sonship and endure hardship for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, and those who have the spirit of slavery and spend their days lazily, counting on receiving their monthly wages.
Those who have the spirit of sonship are God’s heirs, Christ’s heirs. They endure their present sufferings gladly for the glory that they will receive. As God’s sons, they think that they can attain something only through suffering. They endure all difficulties and hardships so that they may have a bright future―to receive their inheritance.
However, those who have the spirit of slavery refuse to suffer. They just passively do what they are told. They are unwilling to suffer, thinking that there is no need to suffer. So they can never receive the glorious inheritance in heaven.
The spirit of sonship is the spirit of Christ
Let’s think of the Apostle Paul who suffered for the sake of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven; he had often gone without food and sleep, and had been cold and naked and flogged. He certainly had the spirit of sonship. As he was a son of God, he endured all kinds of difficulties and devoted his life to preaching the gospel, longing for his heavenly inheritance.
Gal 4:6-7 『Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.』
We shall inherit the kingdom of heaven through God. Everything we do for the sake of the heavenly kingdom is for our own inheritance and glory reserved in heaven, not for others.
Inheritance belongs to a son, not a slave. A farmer’s son works hard in the summer heat, irrigating the field, spraying weed killers, …. He works so hard because all fruit crops belong to his father and will be given to him as an inheritance after all.
How about you? Do you want to be a son or a slave? A son works harder to bear more fruit, while a slave idles away his time. As ministers of the gospel, we have received the spirit of sonship, not the spirit of slavery, so that we may receive the infinite blessing of heaven.
Jesus showed Himself to be a son, not a slave; He was an example of sonship while He was in the flesh.
Heb 5:7-10 『During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, … Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Mel-chizedek.』
The Apostle Paul said, “Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered.” If He had been a slave, He would not have suffered. For a slave receives his wages on the regular payday and he doesn’t feel the need to suffer.
As for a son, however, he doesn’t work for wages. He puts all his heart and energy into his work, hoping for a good harvest. With the spirit of sonship, Jesus perfectly obeyed the will of God, leaving us the glorious seed of salvation.
Isa 53:1-5 『Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. … But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.』
Jesus suffered greatly for our sins; He was despised and rejected by men, even though He did not deserve such treatment. He willingly walked the thorny path, the path of obedience, for His loving children, because He couldn’t save them without sacrificing Himself.
Those who have the spirit of bondage cannot become like Christ. He set the perfect example of sonship by walking the way of suffering, so that we should follow in His steps. Only after overcoming difficulties and hardships can we experience the brilliant glory of heaven and inherit the kingdom of God as His sons and daughters. Only after overcoming the pain and suffering, we can improve our level.
Be ready like a wise servant
The fruit of the gospel has been produced more abundantly in hot summers and cold winters than in warm springs and cool autumns. In other words, we’ve found more brothers and sisters under inferior circumstances than under favorable conditions. Considering this, we can realize that God sees whether we, His workers, have the spirit of sonship or the spirit of slavery.
In the following parable, Jesus gives us a good example of sonship.
Mt 24:44-47 『”So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.”』
In the above parable, ‘the faithful and wise servant’ represents the person who has the spirit of sonship. When his master returns and finds him giving his household their food at the proper time, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. He willingly does the hard work assigned to him. Isn’t he a true son and heir?
Many verses record that only God’s children, His heirs, are allowed to receive all of His inheritance. They will inherit the eternal kingdom of God. For they work diligently day and night, preaching the gospel, taking care of every little thing. They are really worthy of God’s sons, heirs of heaven.
Now, let us check ourselves whether or not we have the spirit of sonship, so that we will not weep and gnash our teeth, being thrown out into the outer darkness as worthless servants, on the day when God’s children inherit the kingdom of heaven. If anyone is a son but has the spirit of slavery, let him change his spirit that he may not be branded as a wicked servant just as described in the Bible.
Mt 24:48-51 『But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time, and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.』
A wicked servant idles away his time, eating and drinking. He does not correctly understand his master’s will and fails to practice it, and consequently he deserves punishment. So God tells us to be wise and faithful servants, showing two types of people―those who have the spirit of slavery and deserve eternal fire in hell, and those who have the spirit of sonship and deserve eternal inheritance in heaven. From the parable of the good servant and the wicked servant, we need to learn a spiritual lesson.
We are all sons of God, called by Him to do the work of the gospel in the last days. Let us participate in the gospel with the spirit of sonship, so that we may receive the crown of glory and all the blessings prepared for us.
Loving brothers and sisters! Let us accomplish the gospel with the spirit of sonship, as sons and daughters of the Spirit and the Bride, giving thanks to Them for Their sacrificial love towards us, so that our Father will come quickly.
By: Robert on June 14, 2008
at 3:30 am
lmao.
Lizzie what is your job?
By: LOLAGEISM on June 14, 2008
at 3:36 am
COGinator said “What you claim is “testifed in the bible” is really “twisted from the bible”.”
COGinator, what the Church of God preaches is the truth of the Bible or what is really the Bible testifies, not a twisted doctrine. The reason you do not understand it is because maybe it’s not meant for you COGinator. I hope someday you will understand God’s will before He comes with fire. God bless you COGinator.
By: Elijah on June 14, 2008
at 3:37 am
Lizzie you said,
“BTW
To whomever believes I will convert to a Sunday/Idol loving religion, YOU ARE SOOO WRONG! Those who desecrate the Lords Sabbath will be put to death… SO YEAH I THINK THATS A COMMANDMENT THAT MUST BE KEPT!!
I will never renounce my love for the CoG! So you are all wrong. You failed if those were your intentions or beliefs. I will always be a true follower of the 2nd Coming Christ and of the Heavenly Mother which has come down from Heaven.”
Lizzie, the story of mother jerusalem destroying the church in the cyclone is bogus because many cog members feel the exact way you feel as your statement above.
The fear of god wouldn’t allow them to do such things as your story indicate.
The fact is, the church was destroyed because it is just a building. There is no god protecting it.
By: Dark Angel on June 14, 2008
at 5:43 am
Lizzie, you sound like a true Kool-Aid drinker…
Just remember, when you are worshiping on Saturday…it’s Sunday somewhere in the world. And if ASH and Mutha J aren’t idols of yours…well, then you are way to confused to have an educated conversation with. BTW, if your following your second comming, he’s in the Grave…maybe they can make some room in casket by shoving his rotting corps to the side and you can make that your new zion.
Robert, your post was too long, so I skipped it…
Elijah, so according to the WMSCoG, not everyone is worth saving….doesn’t sound like the Gospels to me.
LOLAGEISM, I LMAO too!
Dark Angel…I agree!
By: CoGinator on June 14, 2008
at 3:03 pm
That’s funny COGinator. For these COG members, the actual land where their second coming is buried is ‘Holy land’ so they could probably establish their main zion office there.
Dark Angel, I agree that all the COG’s churches are just a mere building just like any other building in the world that can be destroyed by natural disaster. It’s nothing special.
Lizzie, can you please answer LOLAGEISM’S question above. What’s your job? I hope you still have one. Thanks.
Robert, you said your also part of the Freemasons. Well your attitude doesn’t show that you are one. Or maybe your just brainwashed by the COG so you would defend it.
Elijah, that statement above that you said it’s not meant for everyone is totally crap. That’s not the attitude of Jesus and the Apostles according to the Bible. You think your always right and everyone else is wrong. Doesn’t sound like a Christ-like attitude.
By: Clark on June 14, 2008
at 5:52 pm
Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel, and Clark, are you guys enjoying this blog? If you Church of God haters don’t know by now, we are just letting you squirm a little bit. Because once we start destroying your men’s opinion, you guys get mad quickly. We’ll keep you running this blog for a little bit. Then later on we’ll start using our sword, the Word of God, to destroy all the Church of God hater’s intelligent opinion in the will of men. KEEP THEM COMING.
By: Poland on June 14, 2008
at 8:12 pm
Poland,
If someone asked ahnsahnghong, when he was alive, if he were god and he said no, then, wouldn’t your god be a liar?
If men are not to be trusted, why should your god?
What would have willed your god to lie about who he is?
If I were to ask mother jerusalem, face to face, if she were god, and she said yes then, I would say to her, ok since you can hear prayers then read my mind.
If ahnsahngong denied his “divinity” then your god is not trustworthy. If everything that comes from god is the truth, then, even the “lie” would be considered the “truth”.
Meaning, (if) he denied his indentity by saying no, then his answer is the truth. He is NOT god or a god.
If you are simply “letting us squirm” then you all have no idea what you are talking about. You simply want to change stories.
You can not cover up the fact that mother jerusalem is not omniscient. It’s very obvious. It’s impossible for an omniscient Being to deny itself information that it already knew before creation.
It’s impossible for an all truthful omniscient Being to deny itself.
That’s called a paradox.
By: Dark Angel on June 14, 2008
at 10:09 pm
To answer your dumb question, which nothing to do w God
I am a Child Applied Behavior Psychologist w a BA working for the school system… WHAT ARE YOU?
I graduated w Honors from a University. Is that what you wanted to know???
By: Lizzie on June 14, 2008
at 10:23 pm
What you need to do is ask yourself if mother jerusalem can hear your prayers.
What makes her a god?
What has she done to deserve anyones worship besides just claiming to be a god and accepting silly awards?
The answer for both questions is…nothing.
Just “believing” that she’s a god is not going to make her one.
Please don’t get me started on the cyclone story because I have yet to go in depth with that fairy tale. And if that story is something to “keep us squirming” then I wouldn’t expect anything less coming from us guys…seriously.
If you say that you are proving through the bible that those two people are gods, then, physical proof of their divinity should also be available.
She claiming that scripture points to her doesn’t make her a god.
Again I ask, is mother jerusalem, (that woman who is sitting rich in korea) an omnscient Being?
I’m not even sure if Marcus will ever return, I still have to address him on the comments that he made about ahnsahnghong’s congregation knowing that he was god when he was alive.
and to be honest, you all are starting to bore me with your stories. Neither one of your gods deserve my worship.
Your gods should be praising me for giving them my attention for the past two yrs. Which I will add was a waste of time.
So yes, Poland. Keep your stories coming. When you all are still here posting in 2012 about how god “changed his mind” about ending the world, then, I’ll simply come to the conclusion that you are all gullible people who needs to follow other people, like little puppies.
You might as well worship me, Poland. Atleast if I don’t know the answer to something, I will tell you that I don’t know instead of just telling you to have faith.
You can call me “arrogant” all you want. Fact is, i’m not claiming to be a god and I’m not having people worship me. So me being arrogant, would not be the truth.
By: Dark Angel on June 14, 2008
at 10:39 pm
Robert, are you fully familar with the Freemasons?
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/1o5.htm
Lizzie, with your background you’d do well researching adult behavior with regards to religious cults and see if your churches doctrine fits the mold and if other churches don’t.
Dark Angel, your time has hardly been waisted…I’ve learned a great deal from your research and insight and imagine there are thousands of others who have too.
By: CoGinator on June 15, 2008
at 12:19 am
“I am a Child Applied Behavior Psychologist”
LMAO…oh the IRONY.
By: LOLISTIC on June 15, 2008
at 12:57 am
Lizzie its a pity your education did not help you in anyway. Looks like you may need a psychiatrist
help and so do the rest of the members. No wonder mother keeps showing all her dentures because she knows in her mind that her false doctrine has helped so many donkeys walk in the ways of her ex-lover Ahsahnghong LOL
And now its time that the members also do the same like their God “Commit Adultery” and eat the passover. Well at the moment there’s marriage in the air among their own brother’s sisters or sisters’/ Brother or friends Bro or sis.
Moonies have mass marriage. Here it is through introduction while on a visit to korea, get married by local pastor and go back to take mother’s blessing in korea.
I was watching a video on you tube that shows one of the female cog members crying so bitterly and saying mother came to earth and had to be so humble and she washed my bathroom. Sorry Mum. I laughed like anything. I appeared as though the member felt sorry for having messed up the bathroom.
Nince entertainment. Hey Lizzie see if yu can get some help and then help all these Cog funny characters out there.
By: Jose on June 15, 2008
at 3:44 am
COGinator,
The COG are a waste of time to me. Debating whether if mother jerusalem is a god or not is just rediculous.
If any COG member can prove that she is omniscient, then i’ll reconsider.
She’s a useless old bag that is just as ignorant as any other Human Being.
The stories about ahnsahnhghong are nothing but fairy tales.
I’ll check in every now and then but I’m not wasting my time on these people who worship fools.
Theyre better of worshipping themselves.
By: Dark Angel on June 15, 2008
at 3:32 pm
It is frustrating when you see the error of ones ways, offer assistance, only to have it refused with the message of…”I like it messed up.”
By: CoGinator on June 15, 2008
at 10:13 pm
You said it, COGinator.
I just want to catch up on some books I’ve been wanting to read. I’ll be around the cult-watch message from time to time.
You mean to tell me that god came to earth and didn’t help not one child who cried out to him?
Children who were kidnapped, abused, the killed?
No, god was worried about “climbing up mountains”, “losing sleep” and purposely “deny himself food” so that he could write silly books.
“god” was worried about breaking rocks, as if what this guy did was the hardest thing in the world to do.
What the COG people need to get through their thick skulls is, there were slaves not too long ago who endured a whole lot more than their god. What their god endured was childs play.
If he didn’t like his job, he should have quit and become a farmer.
In some countries, there is still slavery. Would their god know that, oh wait, she is omniscient so she must know, and if she knows, then she is basically an accomplice to all of the things that happen to women and children.
How about putting those “powers” to some good use, instead of fore-telling doom and destruction. Anyone can fore-tell doom and destruction, knowing that it happens atleast once every year.
How about helping the police solve unsolvable murders or help parents find their missing children or atleast bring peace between muslim and christian. How about putting an end to racism and hatred.
How about putting an end to superstitious beliefs and lies and contradictions. This woman mother jerusalem offers no kind of words of wisdom. She offers NOTHING. Atleast the Dalai Lama made an effort.
Dude, I don’t want to hear any more about those two clowns. They have a “god” sitting in korea doing nothing, but I guess doing nothing is prophecy to them.
If she doesn’t know the exact time of existence of jesus christ, then she is no god. She is an ignorant human being that subscribes to “men’s opinions” or the concepts of men.
Anyway, catch ya on the flip side, COGinator.
By: Dark Angel on June 16, 2008
at 1:52 am
Applause!
Well said Dark angel. People visiting this site will see for themselves the 100% truth the COG’s have.
To me it sounds more of a rehabilitation centre for all the divorced & helpless souls. All the mother God can give them is a broad smile through her dark red painted lips a hug and loving pat on the back. It makes them feel good. The Bible is just a tool to suck in more dudes.
Jamie you were right =COG fail
By: Jonah on June 16, 2008
at 2:13 am
COGinator, do you know what Freemasonry really is? You have no idea. If you want to be one, you have to seek the light. For me, I’m done with them. I want to please God Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem to have eternal life.
By: Robert on June 16, 2008
at 3:26 am
Dark Angel, you can never understand God’s will if you wanna keep insisting it in the will of men. Only the Bible can make Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem God. That includes Jesus. The Bible is the Word of God.
By: Poland on June 16, 2008
at 3:28 am
“The Bible is the Word of God.”
lol, Amen.
And the Bible says nothing about the Ahnsahnghong cult. Only brainwashed worshipers of satan who follow the will of the men believe in female demon Gods and false Korean idols.
By: LOLISTIC on June 16, 2008
at 6:30 am
“I want to please God Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem to have eternal life.”
LMAO. The only thing false idols give you is a empty bank account.
By: LOLISTIC on June 16, 2008
at 6:32 am
Dark Angel,
Go take some well earned time off, recharge, and refresh. Who knows, maybe getting off these sites could be the best thing for you. Don’t be a total stranger.
For everyone else, the verb teaching encompasses the whole concept of growth—discipline, maturing, obedience, progress, and the like. This involves denial of improper things and direction into proper channels. These five terms—godliness, worldly lusts, soberly, righteously, godly—do not describe the content of grace teaching so much as they indicate the object and purposeful goal of that teaching. And this intent is, according to this passage, the ultimate purpose of the Incarnation of Christ. He came to display the grace of God in the changed lives of his people. The final cause of the revelation of the grace of God in Christ is not creed but character.
In Romans 6:14, Paul gives us a fundamental principle as it relates to the Christian’s understanding and the place of the Law in a believer’s life. “For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace.” Romans 6 deals with the believer’s walk or sanctification. In this regard, under grace is never to be taken as an excuse to sin as one pleases since he is under grace (6:1-2) and it is placed in strong contrast with under law. Two things are prominent here: (1) these two (law and grace) are set forth as complete opposites, and (2) the text also makes it clear that the only way the believer is going to experience true sanctification (victory over sin plus the production of positive righteousness) is by grace (the work of God in Christ) and never by law. The reasons, which will be set forth below, are bound up in two issues, the weakness of man’s flesh and the nature of the Law and its inability because of man’s weakness to produce a truly holy life. This is not to say that the Mosaic Law is not good and holy and does not have a function, but this too will be set forth below.
So just what is the meaning, nature, and place or function of the law in the New Testament?
By: CoGinator on June 16, 2008
at 11:58 am
The Meaning of the Term “Law”
In the Old Testament, the word “law” is used to translated the Hebrew word torah, “instruction.” The Hebrew word for “law” probably comes from the causative form of the verb yarah, “to throw,” “to shoot (arrows).” In the hiphil stem, the verb horah means “to point, guide, instruct, teach.” Hence, the law is that which provides authoritative guidance. In the New Testament, the Greek word used for law is nomos. Nomos means “that which is assigned,” hence, “usage, custom,” and then “law,” or “a rule governing one’s actions.”
Thus God’s law is His system of rules by which He shows and instructs in His will and administers the affairs of the world. Obviously the definition allows for and even implies that there might be differing systems of rules at various times, depending on what particular aspects or how much of His will God wishes to show at a given time.…A system of rules may be tailored for different times, peoples, or purposes. . .
As a result, in the progress of God’s revelation to man, we can see a number of different systems of law in the Scripture. These are:
The Law of Nature (Natural or Inherent)
This is the law Paul mentions in Romans 2:14, “For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, these who do not have the law are a law to themselves.” (emphasis mine) The law of nature is one which contains natural revelation of God’s eternal power and divine nature (Rom. 1:20) and is sufficient to condemn those who reject this revelation, but not sufficient to save. Those who do not receive this natural revelation through nature demonstrate they are unable to receive the additional light (special revelation of Scripture) needed for salvation. “If a man rejects the revelation of God in the law of nature, he fails to qualify for the further revelation which will lead him to Christ.” This natural law perhaps also falls under the category of the eternal law of God for the moral principles of the Mosaic Law (the Ten Commandments) did not begin with Sinai, but are as eternal and immutable as the very holy character of God Himself (see 1 Pet. 1:16).
The Law of Eden
While the term “law” is never specifically used of Adam and Eve’s relationship with God in the Garden, by the definition of “law,” a system of principles or rules that instructs man as to God’s will and direction, there was a law given to Adam. He was instructed to “dress and keep” the garden, and to eat freely of all the trees except the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”
The Law of the Patriarchs
Again, because there was very specific revelation and instruction given to the patriarchs, there was a law given to these Old Testament believers. Though very little detail of this is given, God’s instructions to them still represent His law, the system of principles and rules designed to direct their lives. This is illustrated in Genesis 26:5 which says, “Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”
The Law of Moses Given to Israel
The Mosaic Law is what we are most concerned about in relation to the New Testament believer. This consisted of 365 negative commands and 248 positive for a total of 613 commands. These may also be divided into three parts or sections (see below)—the moral, the social, and the ceremonial. As such, it covered every possible area of the life of Israel. It should be stressed that the moral principles embodied in the Mosaic Law given at Sinai were merely the codified expression of the eternal moral law of God as it was given to Israel to govern her life as a nation in order to experience God’s blessing under the Abrahamic covenant. For more on this aspect, see below.
Human Law as Prescribed by Man
There are obviously various forms of human laws, those prescribed by man through human government or custom (see Luke 20:22; Acts 19:38). While human government is an institution ordained by God’s will or law, some of the laws of man are direct expressions of the will of God, but still constitute laws by which men are often bound by the governmental system in which they live. Of course, where such laws conflict with God’s laws, then we are obligated to obey God instead (Acts 4:19-20).
The Law of Christ, the Law of the Spirit of Life
The fact that the Mosaic law has been terminated does not mean that there is no law in this age of grace even though the nature of this law is quite different from the standpoint of incentive, motivation, and means. In fact, the epistles speak of “the perfect law of liberty (Jam. 1:25), “the royal law” (Jam. 2:8), the Law of Christ (Gal. 6:2), and the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Rom. 8:2). This consists of the many imperatives found throughout the epistles which comprise this law. These too cover all areas of the believer’s life to direct him in the will of God in today’s world.
The moral principles embodied in the law of Moses Paul calls “the righteousness of the law” (Rom 8:4), and shows that such principles are the goal of the Spirit-directed life in the same context in which he teaches the believer is not under the Mosaic law (Rom 6–8).
The Law of the Kingdom
The New Testament clearly speaks of and anticipates the reign of Christ on earth when He will rule in perfect righteousness and justice (Isa. 11:4-5). This will naturally mean many laws that will govern the life of citizens of the Kingdom. One only needs to consider Isaiah 2:3 which reads,
2:3 many peoples will come and say, “Come, let’s go up to the LORD’s mountain, to the temple of the God of Jacob, so he can teach us his requirements, and we can follow his standards.” For Zion will be the center for moral instruction, the LORD will issue edicts from Jerusalem. (NET Bible)
The Significance of these Various Laws
We can see from this that God is the administrator of the world. In the progress of His revelation and the development of His plan, there have been various economies (dispensations) administered by God with different regulations or laws giving precise instruction for each administration. The way God has run each economy or dispensation has varied, however, in each case, different people were addressed with the commands differing in quantity and character, but always with specific instruction.
By: CoGinator on June 16, 2008
at 12:03 pm
Hi everyone Elohim bless us all. Father and Mother will be please if we keep preaching the truth of God’s will.
The concept of “Trinity” means that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are not different entities, but are one God. The Trinity?God the Father [Jehovah], God the Son [Jesus], and God the Holy Spirit [Ahnsahnghong]?are one. In order to understand why the members of the Church of God believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong as the Holy Spirit, please study the truths of “the Second Coming Christ.”
To better understand the Trinity, let’s first consider the transformation of water. Water is a liquid, but when its temperature falls below 0° C, the water will turn into ice, a solid. When the water is boiled, it turns into vapor, a gas. Water, ice, and vapor have different names and different forms, but their substance is the same: H₂O.
It is similar to when an actor in a monodrama plays three different characters?a father, a son, and a grandson?all having different voices. Although there are three different voices and three different roles, there is only one actor.
Like this, even though God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit may look different, have different names, and have appeared during different ages, the three are one God. The Trinity reveals that God administrates His salvation work while playing three roles.
For six thousand years God has carried out His salvation work in the names of Jehovah, Jesus, and Ahnsahnghong, each according to its age.
God the Father, Jehovah = God the Son, Jesus
Let’s confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God.
Isaiah prophesied about Jesus as follows:
Isa. 9:6 『For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.』
Jesus is referred to as the “Son,” but the Bible revealed that the son would be called “Mighty God,” and “Everlasting Father.” Apostle Paul clearly understood that Jesus’ nature was that of God the Father, as follows:
Phil. 2:5-7 『Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man…』
Rom. 9:5 『…Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.』
We can also confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God by studying the history of the Creation.
Isa. 44:24 『I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself…』
God the Father?Jehovah?said that He had created everything by Himself, but Jesus said that it was He who had created the world.
Col. 1:16 『For by him [Jesus] all things were created…』
The Bible states that God the Father, Jehovah, created the world, but it also says that God the Son, Jesus, created the world. Therefore, God the Father [Jehovah] and God the Son [Jesus] are clearly one God.
Isa. 44:6 『”This is what the LORD says?Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last…』
God the Father said, “I am the first and I am the last.”
Rev. 22:13 『”I [Jesus] am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”』
God the Son also said, “I am the First and the Last.” Therefore, God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Son, Jesus, are one God.
God the Father, Jehovah = God the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong
Let’s confirm that God the Father, Jehovah, and God the Holy Spirit are one God.
In the Bible, there are frequent references to “the (Holy) Spirit.” The Bible teaches us that God is spirit, and that God is holy. Thus, the spirit of God is holy, too. We call the spirit of God “the Holy Spirit.”
John 4:24 『God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.』
Apostle Paul wrote?in the book of Corinthians?that God is the Holy Spirit.
1 Cor. 2:10-11 『…but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 』
The (Holy) Spirit could search even the deep things of God (the Father), the things which no one could know. If “the Holy Spirit” and “the spirit of God” were different, how could the Holy Spirit possibly know the thoughts of God? Only the spirit of God?the Holy Spirit?knows the thoughts of God. Therefore, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one.
2 Tim. 3:16 『All Scripture is God-breathed…』
2 Pet. 1:20-21 『Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 』
The Bible is “God-breathed” and it was written by the prophets, “as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” This clearly testifies that God the Father, Jehovah, is the Holy Spirit.
The Bible = God-breathed book
The Bible = A book written by prophets being carried along by the Holy Spirit
Therefore the Holy Spirit is God.
Therefore, the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong, and God the Father, Jehovah, are one God.
God the Son, Jesus = God the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong
Let’s confirm that God the Son, Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong, are one God.
Isa. 9:6 『…a son …will be called Wonderful Counselor… 』
John 14:26 『”But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things…”』
The Son is the Counselor, and the Counselor is the Holy Spirit, so we can easily conclude that the Son, Jesus, is the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not separate, but are one. God the Father?Jehovah, God the Son?Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit?Ahnsahnghong, are one God.
The Holy Spirit Is a personal being
The Holy Spirit is not a kind of energy or an electric wave. The Holy Spirit is a personal being who has feelings (Rom. 15:30), who grieves (Eph. 4:30), who speaks (Rev. 2:7), who groans (Rom. 8:26), who intercedes (Rom. 8:26), who testifies about God (John 15:26), who teaches (John 14:26), who gives commands (Rom. 8:29), who keeps us from preaching in certain places (Acts 16:6-7), who thinks (Rom. 8:27), and who has been blasphemed (Matt. 12: 31-32).
John 14:26, NASB 『”But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.』
The Holy Spirit is referred to as “He,” meaning that the Holy Spirit is a personal being.
Matt. 28:19 『”Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”』
If the Holy Spirit was not a man with character, but merely an invisible, active power?like an electric wave, or energy?how would it be possible for the Holy Spirit to have a name? The fact that the Holy Spirit has a name proves that the Holy Spirit is a man, with character.
God commanded us to be baptized in the name of the Father, the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit, because He would administrate His salvation work with three names (of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit) according to each age. By calling out the three names through which God showed His authority, God’s prophets are to baptize people and commemorate God.
God’s name was “Jehovah” when He played the role of the Father, and it was “Jesus” when He worked as the Son. Then, how should we call upon God when He is working as the Holy Spirit?
The name of the Holy Spirit is Ahnsahnghong.
Since God told us to “baptize (people) in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” we need to understand that the “Trinity”?God the Father [Jehovah], God the Son [Jesus], and God the Holy Spirit [Ahnsahnghong]?are one God. By this understanding we can receive abundant blessing and we can participate in God’s administration of salvation, which has been carried out through the Trinity.
By: Bright Angel on June 16, 2008
at 3:23 pm
Amen Brothers and Sisters of God’s Zion.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Poland on June 16, 2008
at 3:26 pm
No dear brothers and sisters of Zion do not jump to conclusion that the Church of God won always.
If we did we should have answered their questions. Once again we do the same thing keep posting all the entire bible but fail to answer their simple questions.
These are also our brothers and sisters and they have a good point. Didn’t people put questions to Jesus but he had the right answers to them all?
We preach about passover that is supposedly letting disasters pass over us. But If our members do not follow it well how easily we put off by saying that his or her faith wasn’t strong or he did not keep the passover well but what went wrong with the church that is built by God Ahnsahghong and it gets destroyed in cyclone.
Our sister cries abd says on the youtube” Mother is so humble she cleaned bathroom for us, Sorry Mum”
Isn’t it so ridiculous of our sister to behave in such a silly manner. There are better ways of expressing mother to the world.
Don’t we all do this kind of jobs in our daily life and worst of all is washing our own bottoms. I am sure mother does that too. So what is really so unique about such kind of actions that we make a show about it? We must learn from our mothe to smile and be patient. We must humble ourselves and accept the defeat rather than argue out here.
I am a Cog member but I suggest you should not hang on here if you cannot answer them. Instead we should train our existing members well so that this church of God of the end times appears more realistic than the rest of the cults.
We are so weak in trying to prove from the bible our real God. But it has not helped by those selective scriptures. It is time we prove with some documents like the RC church does. They have evidence. We are just making a fool of ourselves. Aren’t we?
Sister lizzie or the rest of you cannot understand or recognize me as one of you. Satan will do anything to set us apart. But what I mean to say is when we place our hands over our head and make a shape of heart and say ” We love you” is not what it means. The anticog consider that sign as “Look at our brains they are well washed”
But Mother means we should take her teachings to our hearts.
By: warrior on June 16, 2008
at 6:38 pm
“To better understand the Trinity, let’s first consider the transformation of water. Water is a liquid, but when its temperature falls below 0° C, the water will turn into ice, a solid. When the water is boiled, it turns into vapor, a gas. Water, ice, and vapor have different names and different forms, but their substance is the same: H₂O.”
LMAO…welcome class, to religion for pre-schoolers.
By: OMGLOLISM on June 16, 2008
at 8:02 pm
Brother warrior, thanks for your concern. As Brothers in Christ, we have to listen and help each other to preach the truth of God’s will to everyone. Isn’t it clear that you cannot understand God’s word using men’s opinion? That’s what Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel, Clark and the rest of those who persecute us. That’s why they are trying to understand the Bible using men’s opinion. I pity them. Let them squirm a little bit.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Poland on June 16, 2008
at 8:33 pm
warrior, thanks for that mediation.
Are you able to answer the questions about Mother that have been posted earlier?
And, can you answer why we are no longer under Mosaic Law?
By: CoGinator on June 16, 2008
at 9:09 pm
It’s depressing how we debate about who is God and who isnt.
We at the CoG we know who is our True God. Like I have said various times before… I am sorry that you refuse to the the beautiful knowledge given to us by our Glorious God. Its in the Bible in black and white.
This isnt a rehabilition center for lost souls as said by a fellow blogger, Jonah on the 16th at 2 am.
“To me it sounds more of a rehabilitation centre for all the divorced & helpless souls.”
We have honored and awarded police officers and lawyers that are members of the CoG. Smart men and women who have realized the truth. We have happily married couples, infact Ryan/Marcus/John or whatever it is you wanna call him, is a very much happily married man. I met him and his wife personally.
Both my deacons are happily married. One of my deacons’ wife is right now with our Heavenly Mother.
I do not know of a family member of the CoG that is in agony por distress of any kind because their husband/wife/son/daughter/mother/father is part of this “cult”…
My mother for instance couldnt be more proud and happy of my choice of religion or church. She isnt distressed or torn apart.
I am sorry and I pray to God that you see the truth. If this church was of men and not of Gods will we would have been destroyed instead of awarded and honored. God has given his TRUE church much praise.
On the other hand there are the other churches that only receive grief before the eyes of the ppl. For instance the Catholic Church are always being accused of sexual abusing their altar boys. Their ‘fathers” have commited suicide, their conscience is that dirty. We hear of this over and over. But we, the CoG members have patience and we truly believe that somewhere in this blog is a CoG member waiting to be baptized or else we wouldnt be here. the end is here, There is no “God had pitty & changed his mind” anymore!
The disasters are before our eyes… and you cannot see it as the end, but God had already prophesied that when you see this then you will know that the end is near.
Now, there are so many disasters everywhere in the world: wars between nations, ethnic conflicts, terrors, famines, earthquakes, and deadly heat or floods caused by changes in the weather patterns. Whenever such things occur, people tremble with fear, not knowing who or what they should set their hearts on…..
The Bible already prophesied about the coming disasters — the Last Days.
Matthew 24:6-7
6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
Luke 21:11
11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
2 Peter 3:10-13
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed it’s coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
There is also a record in the Old Testament as follows:
Malachi 4:1-3
1 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the LORD Almighty.
Zephaniah 1:14-18
14 “The great day of the LORD is near—
near and coming quickly. Listen! The cry on the day of the LORD will be bitter, the shouting of the warrior there.
15 That day will be a day of wrath, a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness,
16 a day of trumpet and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers.
17 I will bring distress on the people and they will walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like filth.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath. In the fire of his jealousy the whole world will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live in the earth.
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Many Prophets prophesied about the end of the age. This is an age of hopelessness and despair; people are in a serious spiritual predicament & dilemma.
However, when the alarming news comes, the good news of salvation also comes……
Zephaniah 2:1-3
1 Gather together, gather together, O shameful nation, 2 before the appointed time arrives and that day sweeps on like chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD comes upon you, before the day of the LORD’s wrath comes upon you.
3 Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’s anger.
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The most urgent thing to do now is to listen to the news of salvation that the CoG preaches. The Bible testifies how we can escape the last disaster whatever it may be: The earth will meet it’s doomsday, either by a world war or by God’s mighty power. There are prophecies about the end of the age in the Bible. Whoever absolutely believes in GOD and follows the prophecies will be saved. Listen to what God has to say thru his messengers
If anyone doesn’t believe the message of salvationgiven to us by our God of Elohim, he cannot obtain eternal life, even though he tries to seek salvation with his own methods (the methods of men as underground shelters, going to another planet, submarines etc…)
Amos 9:2-4
2 Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring them down.
3 Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, there I will hunt them down and seize them. Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, there I will command the serpent to bite them.
4 Though they are driven into exile by their enemies, there I will command the sword to slay them. I will fix my eyes upon them for evil and not for good.
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Now, the time has come to study and follow the way of salvation according to the guidance of God, following the prophecies of the Bible, instead of seeking man’s ways or their opinions like Coginator/LOLism/Dark Angel/Jonah and other anti-CoG and non believers are doing.
*****ONLY God saves souls******
Please take this seriously; we’re living in the Last Days.
God Bless You!!!
By: Lizzie on June 16, 2008
at 11:05 pm
Good job Sister Lizzie. I will continue to please Father and Mother by keeping their commandments. God bless you all.
By: Poland on June 17, 2008
at 3:46 am
I have been reading the blogs for some time know. So far it looks like COG against the world. But as a fellow COG member i says this to those who are studying with our church members, follow your heart! If you belive in the Bible listen to what the bible says not man.
Have you ever seen a scripture that says Jesus went to the synagogue on the 1st day of the week? No! Have you ever seen Christmas or Easter in the bible? No!
Acts 5:38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if thier purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 but if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.
Fact is if you cant prove the COG wrong & show through the bible what we are doing wrong, then you need to think, “Have I been following Man made teachings or the teachings of the bible?”
Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord,Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the WILL of my Father who is in heaven.
The only way you can find out Gods will is through the Bible not from the mouth of man. If you can’t find “SUN” day, Christmas, or Easter in the bible, it’s man made & it’s not Gods will. Wide is the gate that leads to destrution & following the traditions of man & man made commandments will lead you thier (Matt 713-14). Get off the path of destruction by studying Gods word so you can understand the diffrence bettween the COG & other churchs & God will bless you.
Much Love & GB
Elohim144
By: Elohim144 on June 17, 2008
at 3:55 am
Elohim says
Fact is if you cant prove the COG wrong & show through the bible what we are doing wrong, then you need to think, “Have I been following Man made teachings or the teachings of the bible
Th fact is our brother coginator, dark angel Donnie have put forth many important questions regarding the gods we worship and seek details which we have evaded so many times. Why have we done so because what is taught to us is men’s opinion
We have lied and so has Lizzie come up with all her funny stories and each time poland to back her up says I will continue to please Father and Mother by keeping their commandments. Do you know your commandments well Poland. To play a role of a Deacon I have lied to my physical mother nor bothered about my 2 sisters or brother. They do not exist for me anymore. The Cog members are my new family. So how do we keep the commandments?
Lizzie I am sure you too might have had some bad experiences in life and joining the cog has brought a great change in your life that makes your mum feel good for you it does not matter what you are in to.
We have nothing to worry about except disasters, preach, and prepare for the end time set date 2012. Wonder if we are doing the right thing. As for my family members oh yes they are loving and really worried for me. But I have always been very stubborn since childhood and an impressionist. I have always made a mess of my life. My family has always prayed for my well being. I am to be blamed for my broken marriage and right enough got caught by the COG pastor who pulled me in. So there I go again repeating mistakes.
Now there’s no turning back cause I will feel awkward to face my family back if our prophesy does not get fulfilled.
This is exactly what I’m trying to tell our members we have no answers we just preach the verses as taught to us by man and eat the passover whether it saves us from disasters or not. We just hold on tight to our Bible as a defensive tool.
Actually our watv has an internet department. We use to call it a satan to anyone of our members visited these blogs. But now we are instructed to start as many as we can. Our mother is very flexible. Thankyou mum for cleaning my system
Sorry coginator I too like these brothers and sisters have no answers to your questions.
As Lizzie put in “We have honored and awarded police officers and lawyers that are members of the CoG. Smart men and women who have realized the truth” She forgot to mention we also have scientist and army personnel. That’s more than enough to show you the standard of our Cog. We have all highly intelligent people with screwed up brains but unable to answer your simple questions
So cog fails in that respect
By: warrior on June 17, 2008
at 5:22 am
“If this church was of men and not of Gods will we would have been destroyed instead of awarded and honored. God has given his TRUE church much praise.”
LMAO. God destroys false churches and praises only the true church? LOL. Are you stupid?
2012 is not the end of the world.
Dial 1800-BRAINWASHED and seek help.
By: LOLISMTISTIC on June 17, 2008
at 7:54 am
LOLISMTISTIC, perhaps you should dial the number that you posted above.
1800-BRAINWASHED is for you LOLISMTISTIC.
COG haters, KEEP THEM COMING. You guys will fail in the end if you guys keep insisting the will of men to follow God’s will.
By: Poland on June 17, 2008
at 6:43 pm
Most churches today claim to hear the word of God. Actually, they do not understand the meaning of God’s word. The Bible says that they have an uncircumcised ear. How about us? We have eyes to see, ears to hear and minds to understand. Giving thanks to God, let’s see what the uncircumcised ear means, through the Bible.
Those who have an uncircumcised ear
People commonly say of the person who is slow in understanding what others say, “He has a bad ear.” Likewise, the Bible says of him who does not understand what God says, “He has an uncircumcised ear.”
Many people around us claim to believe in God, but they do not make out what God’s will is and take it wrong. God said, “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy” (Ex 20:8). However, they keep other day, not understanding God’s word. That’s why the Bible says that they have an uncircumcised ear.
Jer 6:10-15, KJV 『To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? Behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it. Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days. …』
Through the Bible, God showed us the way to the truth and salvation. However, those who have an uncircumcised ear do not understand what God’s true will is. They are not concerned to obey God’s word, which is offensive to them. So God’s anger against them burns and He says that He cannot hold it in any longer.
See today’s churches! Do they obey God’s word? If they obeyed, how could they ignore the word, “Worship no idol” or “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy?” If they obeyed, how could they easily turn away from God’s holy feasts?
Isa 42:18-20 『”Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see! Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is blind like the one committed to me, blind like the servant of the LORD? You have seen many things, but have paid no attention; your ears are open, but you hear nothing.”』
Mt 13:14-17 『”In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. “』
Those whose ear is uncircumcised do not give ear to God’s word or pay attention to it. They are the deaf in spirit. However, God’s people whose ear is circumcised listen to His voice. It is really blessed to hear the words of truth.
Miserable end of the spiritual deaf
Jesus showed in advance the end of the spiritual deaf as follows:
Mt 7:21-23 『”Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'”』
If they heard God’s voice, they would recognize God the Father and God the Mother who have come into this earth and hear Their voice and celebrate all the feasts of the new covenant just as we do.
However, they reject all the truth; though hearing many things, they pay no attention. It’s because their ear is uncircumcised. So, Jesus plainly said that they would never enter the kingdom of heaven, though they loudly call Him ‘Lord, Lord.’
Jer 8:7-14 『Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD. “How can you say, ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,’ when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. … So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD. … ‘Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.'”』
Those whose ear is uncircumcised cling to deceit and refuse to return to God. What is the end of those who reject God’s words? It’s destruction. They will see such a miserable end coming upon them.
Considering all these things, we are bound to give thanks to God for giving us eyes to see and ears to hear. We, too, were the blind and the deaf in spirit. However, God has come into this earth and opened our spiritual eyes and ears, so that we can see and hear God’s words. God said, “He who has ears, let him hear.”
Hear God’s voice and open the door
Through the long period of the Dark Ages, many have lost their ears to hear God’s voice. Now is the time for their eyes and ears to be circumcised, so that they can see and hear God. For God Himself has come into this earth to save mankind. He is knocking on the door of our hearts, uttering His voice. In this age, we can directly hear God’s voice since God Himself has come into the earth.
Rev 3:20 『”Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”』
If a stranger knocks at the door, we will not open it easily. However, what if our father or mother tells us to open the door? We will hear his or her voice and open the door.
People have not heard God’s voice for a long time, and they’ve forgotten His voice. So when they hear God’s voice, some of them open the door, but some shut it more tightly. Unfortunately, even God’s children, who have not heard His voice for so long, do not easily recognize the voices of their Father and Mother.
God’s children are supposed to open the door of their hearts when they hear the voices of the Father and Mother and to receive them. When we, all God’s children, recognize the voices of our Father and Mother and open the door, we will go back to our heavenly country. We should hasten the coming of the day, shouldn’t we? Let’s quicken our pace and preach the gospel more diligently.
God’s sheep listen to His voice
Jn 10:16 『”I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.”』
Jn 10:27 『”My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.”』
Jn 8:47 『”He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”』
God’s sheep know His voice. So in order to lead them to the Father and Mother quickly, we must speak only with God’s voice, not with our own.
Now, God has come into this earth and is knocking at the door: Those who listen to His voice will receive Him, and those who do not hear will shut the door more tightly. By this, God will separate His people from those who are not His own.
Let’s preach God’s word to others with great boldness, as God told us. We don’t need to think, ‘Will they understand the word?’ or ‘What will they think of me when I tell the truth?’ If we have such a thought in preaching the gospel to them, we may fail to lead them. Let’s preach, having no doubt that God’s sheep will listen to His voice.
Let the trumpet sound a clear call
Jn 18:37 『… Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”』
1 Jn 4:5-6 『They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.』
Jesus distinguishes the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood through whether they listen to God’s voice or not. He plainly said, “He who belongs to God hears what God says.” Let’s preach God’s word with boldness, leaving everything to God.
Looking upon our past days, there was a great difference in results between the two cases―when we preached God’s word confidently and when we preached it without boldness.
God told us to let the trumpet sound a clear call. Of course, God’s people are to hear His voice. However, when the preacher gives an uncertain sound, they cannot easily recognize God’s voice and it will take them much time to receive the truth. Whatever we preach, if we speak with God’s voice, they will clearly understand.
A brother in Zion told me about his experiences during the preaching. He got an opportunity to speak God’s words to an old lady living next door to him. At first, he told her about the vanity of life, but she seemed to be little interested in it. So he changed the subject and told her about God’s commandments. Then she was surprised, and received the truth with great joy, saying that she found the true church at long last. I’ve heard that she is very eager to keep God’s commands with a passionate heart like young adults. In another case, some received God immediately after hearing about the last secret described in the Bible.
Thus, our lost brothers and sisters are returning to Zion one after another, hearing the voices of the Father and Mother. God is our reason to be proud; let’s boast of God all the more. Even those who have shut their minds tightly will surely hear God’s voice and open the door if we preach confidently to them.
God’s voice―”Celebrate the Passover”
Our Father said, “The more you practice the truth, the more you are renewed inwardly. If you do not practice the truth, your hearts become darkened and finally you will deny God.”
2,000 years ago, God put great emphasis on the Passover. In these last days, too, He emphasizes repeatedly that His children should celebrate the Passover. We’ve already heard this voice of God. Let’s preach more eagerly and lead many people to Zion.
Jn 6:53-57 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』
This is God’s promise of life. God’s sheep are sure to hear this word. Jesus promised His flesh and blood on the Passover (Mt 26:17-28; Lk 22:19-20). He saved our souls from death by giving us eternal life through the Passover―which is the recipe necessary for the salvation of all men. Let’s sound a clear call and lead them to hear God’s voice; let them open their spiritual eyes and ears.
Now, the appointed time has come when God’s children hear the voice of God and come out of Babylon. Believing the prophecies, let’s sound the trumpet.
He who has an ear hears God’s voice. Let’s blow the trumpet of the gospel loudly and lead many souls to salvation. Then the glory of God our Father and Mother will be proclaimed to the ends of the earth.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Robert on June 17, 2008
at 8:41 pm
“1800-BRAINWASHED is for you LOLISMTISTIC”
LOL. No it is for YOU!!
YOU=BRAINWASHED
2012= NOT END OF WORLD
MJ=LADY WITH BIG HAIR
“Most churches today claim to hear the word of God. Actually, they do not understand the meaning of God’s word.”
lmao. Oh? The COG cult claims to hear the word of God. Actually, they are money making scam for dummys.
COG=CULT SCAM
Colossians 2:16: Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a new moon, or Sabbath days.
By: LOLISMTISTIC on June 17, 2008
at 9:09 pm
Isa 42:18-20 『”Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see! Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send?”
ROBERT=BLIND and DEAF
ROBERT=SERVANT to SCAMMERS
By: LOLISMTISTIC on June 17, 2008
at 9:11 pm
Robert, I had to skip your posting…as 1. it was too long and 2. was just a repetitive cut and paste.
Warrior, thanks for talking civilized and not so brainwashed and arrogant. Let focus on a couple of points that you can help us understand. If Ahnsahnghong never claimed to be God, and all of his teachings, writings, and demeaner were not that of one claiming to be God, why would it make sense at all to believe the story that he’s the second comming. Logically, it makes more sense to believe it’s a made up story of Joo, to support and keep alive the WMSCOG. The proof in the bible is not proof at all, but merely alternately interpretted sciptures to loosely cover the story of him being Christ.
Can you answer me that?
By: CoGinator on June 17, 2008
at 9:35 pm
BORING!!! You guys are boring me with your man made accusations. Give it up already! Look at this w spiritual eyes. The bible isn’t something to be seen w physical eyes. Remember that’s what the Pharicees did 2000 years ago! Do you want the same fate for you? I hope not!
Warrior, you don’t seem to be of the Church of God, because instead of backing your brothers and sisters in the truth, you attack us just like an unbeliver/CoG hater.
How little do you listen to the words of our Heavenly Mother or the teachings of Chist. Is that what you have learned? That’s not the message I’ve received from Christ.
Mothers Teachings #8 & 9
When we praise brothers, the praise is returned to us
As the sea receives all the dirt and purifies it, we should have the broad and beautiful mind enough to cover up even the brothers’ faults.
Christs’ Teachings
Matthew 7:1~5
Judging Others
1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye
Warrior, you sound just like CoGinator. We are trying to open up the eyes of the lost sheep, that was Jesus/Ahnsahnghong/Mothers’ teaching and commandment. Love as I have loved you! But, you sit here and talk about how wrong it is and how we evade their questions.. Blah Blah Blah.
You’re either with us or not. I have answered their questions that only derive from mens opinions, they see with physical eyes not spiritual. They just refuse to listen and accept the truth, because they are afraid to accept failure. They want an answer to destroy the CoG’s integrity. I can’t provide what is false, I am sorry! I only provide what is truth thru the bible teaching. The HOLY BOOK of the WORDS of GOD!
Another question I am going to answer is from Warrior himself:
“Lizzie I am sure you too might have had some bad experiences in life and joining the cog has brought a great change in your life that makes your mum feel good for you it does not matter what you are in to.
We have nothing to worry about except disasters, preach, and prepare for the end time set date 2012. Wonder if we are doing the right thing. As for my family members oh yes they are loving and really worried for me. But I have always been very stubborn since childhood and an impressionist. I have always made a mess of my life. My family has always prayed for my well being. I am to be blamed for my broken marriage and right enough got caught by the COG pastor who pulled me in. So there I go again repeating mistakes.”
My life wasn’t messed up when I decided to become a CoG member. I did it because I saw the truth before my eyes. Because I longed for the eternal life, I quenched it. My soul was awakened at that very moment. I wasn’t even a member of any denomination or church. Satan had me shut from the world in fear that he would lose another soul to the truth. I am a big girl and I know how to distinguish truth from falsehood. It’s all in black and white in the Bible. And for the count, my mother feels good because she is happy for me just because I am happy. My mother has always supported my decisions, and when I am not on the right path she will let me know! I have never made a “mistake” in my life, enough to make it seem as I its the end. I am not saying I am perfect, no one is perfect but our Christ, wo was without blemish or defect. I am VERY sorry about your broken marriage and how your leaned on the CoG for help w what obviously was your fault. It sounds as if you are blaming CoG for your failed marriage. I pray for you to be happy. Finding the source of Eternal Life should be reason enough to be happy. You seem very grumpy and unsatisfied. May you find the love necessary in your heart to be grateful and happy!
That is a true heart of a brother. To pray and wish happiness, not to judge. The reason I am here is to make others as happy as I am. Not only am I happy w my career and my family life, I have found the truth and I am going to heaven w my brothers and sister. Whether the world ends in 2012 or not. Brother be grateful and do as paul did. Crucify yourself
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
God Bless You Brother Warrior
May Elohim shine from within you so that you may become one with your brothers and sister!
And I will end with this scripture
1 Corinthians 10:17
Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
By: Lizzie on June 18, 2008
at 2:10 am
I pray that our Mother & Father will fully awaken us all up from the sleep of death at a sooner time. Brothers & Sisters, the day of Atonement & the feast of Tabernacles is near. this is the time when we must pray more ernastly, study more & preach the New Covenant to every soul we can so we can truly understand how to love god with all our heart, mind, soul & strength. Without love we can not enter Gods rest. & even thow people go against the TRUTH, Mother says to love them as well. All we can do is pray for them. Maybe the people who are persacuting our church will be apart of the hundred eghity million people that will come to the COG at the end of this year.
By: Elohim144 on June 18, 2008
at 3:43 am
Elohim144,
You are so right! We must pray earnestly so that those in the dark may open up their eyes and those in the Truth do not fall. We must keep in mind that those who persecute the Truth of God could be part of the 180 million that we are to find this year, with the help of Father & Mother. I have faith & hope that just maybe one of them may be found in the website. Maybe even have the opportunity to return into Mothers arms.
I have been given the FREE gift of the Water of Life and I want to share it with those who are still in the dark. God had pitty and mercy on me, and showed this sinner the path to the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s only fair I show others the same love given to me by Christ and show them way there.
It is written in the Bible that the only way to receive life from the Tree of Life… The Passoevr/Jesus Flesh & Blood.
Our Father came once more not only as Jesus, but as the 2nd coming Christ, to remind us of the Tree of Life.
We must always pray for the los sheep. Jesus said “My sheep listen to my voice”
Thank you for the reminder…
Much Love
Lizz
By: Lizzie on June 18, 2008
at 5:31 am
Hey you guys are great, dumb as hell, but its funny…
This video sums up why talking to CoG Members is a waste of time.
By: Chad on June 18, 2008
at 2:08 pm
I can see more and more of our Brothers and Sisters from God’s Zion are coming into this blog. The World Mission Society Church of God is really the true church built in the foundation of the First and Second time Christ that came into this world. We are really blessed to be chosen by God to carry out and preach the good news of eternal salvation through the Passover of the new covenant.
I was once captive by Satan, fooling me that being a Freemason is the light but really it’s darkness once your in there. They give you the world but clearly the Bible says that we should seek God’s Heavenly Kingdom.
Matthew 16:26 What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
Let’s continue to proclaim the love of Father Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem.
By: Robert on June 18, 2008
at 3:30 pm
Thank you Sister Lizzie.
1 Corinthians 10:17
Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
We at the Church of God partake the Passover body and blood of Christ the give eternal life just as Jesus and Ahnsahnghong promised. COGinator and company, there’s still time. We can become Brothers with Christ if you repent and follow God’s will. God bless you all.
By: Poland on June 18, 2008
at 3:40 pm
Hi everyone. I miss you all including Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel and the rest of those who persecute Church of God. I hope someday they will see the truth of the Bible so they can also have eternal life. May Father and Mother bless us all.
By: Elijah on June 18, 2008
at 3:44 pm
Many people have used the verse Colossians 2:16 to prove that they do not have to observe any Feasts of God (Sabbath, Passover, Unleavened Bread, etc.). Let’s take a look at this verse to get an idea of why people would think that.
Colossians 2:16- “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”
Now it is very easy to take this verse and say that we don’t have to keep any of God’s feasts if you don’t understand the context of this verse and also the second sentence of this verse.
At this time, Apostle Paul was speaking to Christians in Colosse. Colosse is located in present day Turkey and at the time, the Christians there were being persecuted because the popular beliefs at this time were influencing Christ’s teachings. Eastern mysticism and asceticism (belief that abstinence from certain physical activities such as eating or drinking will allow some sort of mind-body transformation) were the main philosophies that were intruding on Christ’s teachings.
Apostle Paul was not telling the Church of God in Colosse to stop keeping God’s feasts, he was telling the church not to let other people judge them because they keep God’s feasts.
Let’s confirm through the Bible. We have to see if Paul was really instructing the people not to keep God’s feasts.
Acts 17:2- “As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,”
Paul’s custom was to keep the Sabbath, he was in Thessalonica at this time for only three weeks so he was at this synagogue for only three weeks. Let’s see another verse for confirmation.
Acts 18:4- “Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.”
Clearly keeping the Sabbath was a custom of Apostle Paul. However, was it just Apostle Paul’s custom?
Luke 4:16- “He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him.”
Jesus Christ’s very own custom was to keep the Sabbath. Christ came to show us the example of how to worship God (John 13:15). Then we should in fact keep the Sabbath day because it God’s true day of worship.
Jesus kept the Sabbath 2,000 years ago, our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong also kept the Sabbath, and now our Heavenly Mother continues to keep the Sabbath as an example for us.
Colossians 2:16 says that these feasts are a shadow of the things to come and that the reality is found in Christ. Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath and our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong also kept the Sabbath. Then we must follow Christ who is the reality. Thanks to Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother for showing us all the truth in the Bible and giving us understanding.
By: Bright Angel on June 18, 2008
at 3:50 pm
Ohhh, thats a great video. Reminds me of several brainwashed nutcases I know. LOL.
By: LOLISMTISTIC on June 18, 2008
at 7:25 pm
I pray for these lost sheep who continue to worship this false idol, also known as Ahnsahnghong. May God shine his light upon their heads. Wrestle them away from these demons, Lord. Bless these lost sheep and pull them back into your light. They have troubles deep within their hearts. Their eyes are closed and can not see your truth. Heal them Lord and embrace them.
Amen.
By: SisterSarah on June 18, 2008
at 7:31 pm
Sister Sarah said:
“I pray for these lost sheep who continue to worship this false idol, also known as Ahnsahnghong. May God shine his light upon their heads. Wrestle them away from these demons, Lord. Bless these lost sheep and pull them back into your light. They have troubles deep within their hearts. Their eyes are closed and can not see your truth. Heal them Lord and embrace them.”
Sarah, why are you praying for the Church of God? Didn’t you know that it is God’s Zion and the church that is built in the foundation of Jesus Christ and Apostles. It was abolished by Constantine in 321 AD and was restored by Christ Ahnsahnghong in 1948 when Israel gained it’s independence as prophecied in the Bible. The World Mission Society Church of God follows all God’s commandments, not man made traditions that is used to worship God. Sunday worship, Christmas, Communion came from Constantine which majority of False Christians follow. Only the Church of God follows all of God’s commandments and not just a partial of it.
Matthew 15:6-9
6he is not to ‘honor his father[c]’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8″ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[d]”
Also in the Bible, those who keep all God’s commandments and not just a partial of it are the ones who love Him according to His words, the Bible.
John 14:21
21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
John 5:39-42
39You diligently study[c] the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
41″I do not accept praise from men, 42but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.
Luke 6:46-49
46″Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. 48He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
Sarah, Ahnsahnghong fulfilled all the prophecies of the Second Coming Christ testified in the Bible. You keep studying the Bible and giving praise to the Lord yet you don’t follow His will according to the Bible. Clearly those who keep God’s commandments absolutely are the ones who really love Him according to the Bible and if we keep God’s commandments we can have His eternal life promised through Jesus Passover body and blood. I’ll keep praying for you Sarah. God bless you Sarah.
By: Bright Angel on June 18, 2008
at 8:41 pm
Bright Angel said, “Sarah, why are you praying for the Church of God? Didn’t you know that it is God’s Zion and the church that is built in the foundation of Jesus Christ and Apostles. It was abolished by Constantine in 321 AD and was restored by Christ Ahnsahnghong in 1948 when Israel gained it’s independence as prophecied in the Bible. The World Mission Society Church of God follows all God’s commandments, not man made traditions that is used to worship God. Sunday worship, Christmas, Communion came from Constantine which majority of False Christians follow. Only the Church of God follows all of God’s commandments and not just a partial of it.”
Actually, you don’t have your historical facts correctly…or were you clear on what you’re talking about. “it” as you are inferring to is the Passover…and no Constantine didn’t abolish it. What he did do is make a law that the Jewish Passover and Easter couldn’t be on the same day. he did this not because he wants to suppress the church…on the contrary. He did this because he was an anti-Semite and didn’t want anything to do with the Jews.
Please look up your facts prior to spewing the misconceptions and falseness that the WMSCOG teaches. Thank you.
Also Please answer this question as it’s important to understand the WMSCOG. Do you eat pork? That was one of the original commandments from God as part of the Mosaic law that you claim you follow. So do you eat Pork?
By: CoGinator on June 18, 2008
at 9:16 pm
Lizzie, you said, “BORING!!! You guys are boring me with your man made accusations. Give it up already! Look at this w spiritual eyes. The bible isn’t something to be seen w physical eyes. Remember that’s what the Pharicees did 2000 years ago! Do you want the same fate for you? I hope not!”
First of all, these aren’t man made accusations as they are logical questioning to find out if there is any truth in what the WMSCOG claims. You say to look at this with spiritual eyes, but that doesn’t mean to put on blinders…after all Christ predicted there will be many false religions that try and emulate Christianity. So we must carefully test and challenge anything that doesn’t look right.
You say the bible isn’t something to be seen w/physical eyes and yet you have to use your physical eyes to read it. Last time I tried to absorb the bible via osmosis it didn’t work very well….I actually had to read it, use a Strong’s concordance to learn word meanings and how they are used, and I had to pray about what I read. This is why I have a hard time accepting anything that comes from the WMSCOG…it’s not what God is leading me to accept.
There are too many problems with the doctrine that the WMSCOG members are claiming as truth. It doesn’t fit in what Jesus taught. On the surface what is claimed by the WMSCOG seems viable, but then as you dig deeper the lies become abundantly clear. I guess the members find it easier to refer to anyone who doesn’t believe as a Pharasies than it would be to do a little more research and farther in depth study to find out that much of what is taught isn’t what the bible is about.
I think a better historical comparisons would be the WMSCOG and the Branch Davidians from Waco Tx.
I think a beter use of your time would be not to post the studies from your church but rather test the studies from your church to that of what the rest of the world claims and see if holds any water. I think if you actually did that in a non-bias capacity you would start to understand the real intention of the gospel and not the cult-made one.
Sorry if my words appear to be harsh, but you must know that what you claim to be truth is very skewed from the reality of what the bible is really teaching.
By: CoGinator on June 18, 2008
at 9:29 pm
You see, this is the reason why I have to question you guys, because of posts such as Bright Angel’s.
Bright Angel, please answer three questions for me.
1. Did Jesus have gentiles at the table with him at his last supper? If not, why?
2. Were the gentiles who Paul preached the word to, circumcised?
3. According to Acts 21:17–26, why did Paul have to partake in the Jewish ritual of cleansing or purification called Mikvah, in order to disaprove rumors of him teaching Jews to forsake the Mosaic Law, including circumcision?
You do know that in order for gentiles to partake in the passover observance, they would have to be circumcised and convert to Judaism, right?
Right.
Acts 21:25, is clear about whether gentiles can partake in the Mosaic Law, in which James and the elders were observing. However, rumors spread that Paul was not observing them. Which is why he had to “purify” himself in Mikvah.
Bright Angel, does your church practice Mikvah?
By: Dark Angel on June 18, 2008
at 9:48 pm
I mean c’mon people, you can’t have one foot in the old testament and the other in the new testament.
Then, claim that one is a shadow and the other is the “reality”.
By: Dark Angel on June 18, 2008
at 9:55 pm
COGinator said:
“First of all, these aren’t man made accusations as they are logical questioning to find out if there is any truth in what the WMSCOG claims. You say to look at this with spiritual eyes, but that doesn’t mean to put on blinders…after all Christ predicted there will be many false religions that try and emulate Christianity. So we must carefully test and challenge anything that doesn’t look right.”
Matthew 7:13-15
13″Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
15″Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Majority of Christians are false, giving praise to the Lord but doesn’t keep His commandments. Catholic calls them Protestant because they are derived from them that keeps Sunday worship, Communion, Christmas and many more man made traditions used to please God. Clearly, only the few will find the narrow gate, the one that really keep God’s will and that is the World Mission Society Church of God.
Dark Angel said:
“You do know that in order for gentiles to partake in the passover observance, they would have to be circumcised and convert to Judaism, right?”
Clearly, Jesus and the Apostles set us the examples of how to keep God’s will. As a matter of fact, Jewish is not keeping Baptism just as Jesus did. Jesus came to seek those who are lost, His chosen people that were predestined to be blameless in His sight according to the Bible.
Ephesians 1:3-14
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he[c] predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And he[d] made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.
11In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
COGinator, I respect you for doing your best to please God but we have follow His words instead of pleasing God on our own. Dark Angel, I hope you’ll become ‘Bright Angel’ like me, knowing God’s will. God bless you COGinator and Dark Angel.
By: Bright Angel on June 18, 2008
at 10:53 pm
I have missed you guys! All of you have become like a close fiend/family member. Including the non believers. I think I will start to miss you if I stop coming.
So I am going to keep coming even if I don’t post.
I am tired of the questions. I think its about time WE ask some questions.
1. CoGinator/Dark Angel, whats your real name? Infact, what is everyones real name (including CoG members) Just the first will do. Everyone knows mine is Liz
2. CoGinator/Dark Angel/The rest of the unbelievers, who claim to love us so much they want to open our eyes so we can see its a cult, what is your religious belief? Are you Christian, Baptist, Catholic?
3. What is YOUR job?
4. Are any of you bible scholars/students? Any degrees in Religion?
5. How much do you REALLY knw about the CoG? Is there a member of the family/ex Cog members, or you yourselves were members?
By: Lizzie on June 19, 2008
at 12:05 am
My name is Tony, im from the Colorado COG branch. Where are the rest of my fellow brothers & sisters located?
By: Elohim144 on June 19, 2008
at 1:32 am
Bright Angel said,
“Clearly, Jesus and the Apostles set us the examples of how to keep God’s will. As a matter of fact, Jewish is not keeping Baptism just as Jesus did. Jesus came to seek those who are lost, His chosen people that were predestined to be blameless in His sight according to the Bible.”
Bright Angel, “Baptism” is not a custom of Judaism. However, Mikvah is. In a sense, the concept of “baptism” is derived from Mikvah, because in the time Jesus exist and prior to that, there were no other religions with such a practice.
If you were to compare Mikvah and Baptism, you will see the similarities. Mikvah, is a practice from the Laws of Moses. “John the baptist” used the concept in his time for his own idea of spiritual cleansing.
Hi Lizzie, i’m sorry but I have no interest in knowing who you are and what you do. It doesn’t matter to me if you are using your real name or not. What matters to me is sharing information and getting an understanding.
By: Dark Angel on June 19, 2008
at 2:59 am
Bright Angel, you qouted Matthew 7:13-15
and then said, “Majority of Christians are false, giving praise to the Lord but doesn’t keep His commandments. Catholic calls them Protestant because they are derived from them that keeps Sunday worship, Communion, Christmas and many more man made traditions used to please God. Clearly, only the few will find the narrow gate, the one that really keep God’s will and that is the World Mission Society Church of God.”
First of all, we can each interpret that scripture to point to each others belief, but the reality is it doesn’t prove anything. So let’s set it aside for now.
Secondly, you feel the majority of Christianity is false. I can understand how you feel that way based on what you’ve been told by your church. But have you really looked into those claims deeper than what you church as preached to you?
To prove what you church says is true, it needs to be supported by a third party verification…meaning you can use what your church says as the proof. I think we can all agree that as you read the bible, especially on an individual basis, it’s easy to tie an alternate meaning to that one scripture. So without using the teaching of the WMSCOG. Where is the third party verifcation that thier understanding is correct.
To do so, you can’t point back to another teaching of the WMSCOG to support a different view. For example to prove it’s the Mosaic Law is in what God expect for his children, you can’t point to Ahnsahnghong as God to support it. Each of those theory’s rely on each other and nulls the support for each.
Can your doctrine support the scrunity of all bible scholars?
If not at some point you have to acknolowge that the teachings of your church are in total isolation of the rest of the world…and tha in of it’s self should throw a huge red flag up!!
If your content and like the direction your life is going then continue to do what you are doing. But at some point your going to get tired of people avoiding you, and people telling you that your belief don’t match up with the teachings of Jesus.
My earlier question is still out there. any and all CoG members can feel free to answer it. Do you eat pork?
By: CoGinator on June 19, 2008
at 3:52 am
Lizzie, sure I’ll answer your questions:
1. Whats your real name? CoGinator. Some things are safer left unknown.
2. What is your religious belief? I am a non demoninational Christian.
3. What is YOUR job? I am self made Millionaire. I own a number of companies and I like to travel quite a bit. It gives me a lot of time to study the bible and really research the true intention of the scriptures. I need to make sure I am grounded and following the word of God as it’s intended as I’ve been intrusted with a lot of responsiblity and resources.
4. Are any of you bible scholars/students? Any degrees in Religion? see answer above
5. How much do you REALLY knw about the CoG? Is there a member of the family/ex Cog members, or you yourselves were members?
I have a close friend who has gotten involved. I was courious about the teaching as a few of the things he/she mentioned to me did not sit right. After doing extensive research as well as attending in secret (as in an alias), I’ve been able to understand how and what they teach goes against the true nature of both the New and Old testements. I started with the mindset that what the WMSCOG teaches could be true and then crossed check the teachings against multiple sources to see if it could support itself. I generally think the people associated are really nice and generally are well intended, but thier bible knowlege was not strong so the things they were taught seemed to make sense. The process that the WMSCOG uses to teach is very repetitive, very time consuming, and explains why people really hold on to their viewpoint. It’s been engrained and supported with group think. Say what you want about Catholic and other Protestant Christians, there’s always the mindset that you are free to believe what you want and you’ll decide to choose the Christian lifestyle not because you are hounded to do so, but because it’s where you heart is leading you.
By: CoGinator on June 19, 2008
at 4:11 am
Bright Angel,
Paul came across a guy named Timothy who has a Jewish mother and a Greek father. Paul circumcised Timothy, why didn’t he “baptize” him?
By: Dark Angel on June 19, 2008
at 6:55 am
First off, I want to thank CoGinator for answering my questions… It gave me alot of insight on him and why he thinks the way he does.. THANK YOU
Now off to Dark Angel,
Colossians 2
9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
Thats why we no longer have the regulation of circumcision.
Mikvah is also known as baptism as you explained above.
Acts 16:3
Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek
He circumcised him because of the Jews that lived there. Paul had a way of preaching to save souls…
1 Corinthians 9
19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
So there is your answer DA
By: Lizzie on June 19, 2008
at 10:24 am
Hello Lizzie,
Remember, the mosaic law is a collection of commandments that god gave to the israelites. The mosaic law begins with the ten commandments and includes the laws of observance found through the torah/old testament.
You posted Colossians2 in regards to circumcision and why it was no longer practiced by some jews who were christians.
Thanks for posting it because my point is that all of these laws were for the jews, not gentiles.
The early gentile christians were aware of this, through Paul.
What connection would gentiles have with the passover or any of the jewish feasts?
None, because they have no connection or reason to observe them.
James, the elders, and the rest of the jews who followed christ were Judaizers.
The split in christianity started with the judaizers and the gentile christians.
Paul, did not object to the observance of the Mosaic Law, as long as it did not interfere with the liberty of the gentiles, but he adhered to it’s laws.
As mentioned when he took the Mikvah, which is a part of the mosaic law.
In regard to the Passover the people of Israel were commanded to observe its rituals, not gentiles.
By: Dark Angel on June 19, 2008
at 12:20 pm
Now, start to consider why the “early church” split.
Let me just say that in the beginning, judaizers out numbered the gentile christians. However, that changed through time and the gentile christians dominated the church.
Whatever “laws” that were changed, were changed by them, because…..they were genitles and had no use for jewish holidays and traditions, unlike the judaizers who were actual jews.
Here’s some information on the division of the early church.
It’s labelled “Early Divisions”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism
I recommend reading the whole page.
By: Dark Angel on June 19, 2008
at 12:33 pm
I whole heartedly agree with what Dark Angel has posted above.
By: CoGinator on June 19, 2008
at 2:30 pm
That’s Christian history Dark Angel and I agree with you. Those are the facts that’s why it is not by rituals we are saved. It is by the grace that Jesus Christ gave us which is eternal life and by believing in Him we can be save just like when He was crucified and the other guy also crucified beside Him and he ask Jesus to take him also in Heaven. Jesus Christ saved his soul even though he didn’t celebrated the Passover. Only through Him and in Him, Jesus Christ, we can have eternal life.
By: Frank on June 19, 2008
at 9:51 pm
To the COG members, why do you guys avoid real facts and still insist your invented stories? Dark Angel and COGinator presented the facts in this blog and you guys avoided it. That’s really sorry and blinders on their eyes. Good job Dark Angel and COGinator. Keep it up.
By: Clark on June 19, 2008
at 9:54 pm
God bless everyone. We hear the glad news that the flame of the gospel is burning throughout the world and our heavenly family members, both nationwide and worldwide, are bearing abundant fruit. Such good news is a result of the positive thought of all our brothers and sisters in Zion who strive for the gospel, depending on God’s word, thinking, ‘Everything is possible in God.’
Through all ages, world history has been made by those who positively think, ‘Everything is possible.’ Thomas Edison, a famous scientist, made great achievements in science through constant experiments, with the thought―‘It’s possible.’ He sat on eggs like a hen to hatch chickens; and he had his friend inhale hydrogen gas to realize his dream of flying in the sky. Such thoughts brought about scientific advances through many trials and errors. As a result, today a lump of metal of several hudreds of tons flies in the sky or floats on the waters.
On the other hand, those who thought, ‘It’s impossible,’ have not produced any achievements or advances for mankind, because of their overworrying about everything―even about little things. History proves that. At this moment, the kingdom of heaven is forcefully being advanced by those who have positive faith―‘I can do.’ Let’s find out how to forcefully advance the kingdom of heaven, through the Biblical teachings.
The positive thinking, ‘I can do’
Mt 11:12 『From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.』
The kingdom of heaven is forcefully advanced by those who strive for the gospel; it is not given to those who just wait for it, doing nothing. Not a portion of the kingdom is for a man who does not attack it. A man like Judas Iscariot, who keeps company with God in favorable conditions but betrays Him in unfavorable situations, can never enter the heavenly kingdom.
Think of some ancients who kept their faith in God to the end; even a blazing furnace could not destroy their faith. Such a faith came from their strong will to forcefully advance the kingdom of heaven. In the Early Church, there were many martyrs including Apostle Paul; some were burned alive, some became food for the wild animals, some were sawed in two, and others were beaten with rods. Despite that, they kept their faith to the end and entered the kingdom of heaven. It was because they tried to forcefully lay hold of it.
Even at this moment, the kingdom of heaven is being forcefully advanced. By whom? By those who reluctantly go to church, without any fervor for the gospel? To them, the kingdom of heaven is an impregnable fortress.
The kingdom of heaven is being advanced forcefully and gradually by those who make every effort to enter, trying to receive spiritual blessings like Jacob, though losing worldly things. It is unceasingly advanced by more people throughout the world―by young adults including college and university students, soldiers and office workers, and by middle-aged and older adults, both male and female. The kingdom of heaven is forcefully advanced by all who have the positive thought, ‘Everything is possible in God.’
Do you still hesitate? If you do, please have this faith―‘I can do.’ Everyone can bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit if he has a strong will to surely enter the kingdom of heaven.
God has given opportunities equally to all individuals, from children to adults. Is it impossible for a child to preach? No. We often see children lead their fathers or mothers to the truth.
‘Nobody can do,’ and ‘Everybody can do’
A song titled ‘Nobody’ was popular in the United States at one time. This song expressed defiance against the age in negative terms. It was a worldwide popular song to arouse sympathy from a large number of people. How regrettable!
These are the words of the song: “Who is fit for the presidency in the world?” “Nobody.” “Who can stop wars?” “Nobody.” “Who is respectable in the world?” “Nobody.” Like this, this song contains negative words―nobody, nothing, or impossible. Considering it was so popular among the youth, we can guess how spiritless and pessimistic they were in those days.
Why did they come to have such negative and pessimistic thoughts? It’s because they did not seek God but worldly pleasure and gratification. That’s why such a song with negative words became popular in the world. How sad! People with such negative thinking cannot make any progress in history.
How about us? What shall we answer if anyone asks us, “Who is fit for the presidency?” We will answer, “Everybody.” “Everybody is fit for the presidency,” we will say. If anyone asks us, “Who can stop wars?” Then we will answer, “Everybody.” If anyone asks us, “Who is respectable?” We will also answer, “Everybody.” We will say: Everybody is fit for the presidency; everybody can stop wars; everybody is respectable.
All of us in Zion are a royal priesthood, aren’t we? We are all fit for pastoral duties and evangelization. We can do everything; nothing is impossible for us.
The switch of faith does not work when we do something with the thought―‘It’s impossible.’ God said everything that does not come from faith is sin. Can we save souls, committing sin? Certainly not.
Remember that the kingdom of heaven is being forcefully advanced at this moment. We should be more devoted to the gospel, wherever we are. Let’s take pride in everything we do for the kingdom of heaven even though it is a small thing, whether we are on the front line or on the sidelines or behind backs in the gospel work.
Php 4:10-13 『… for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strength.』
Apostle Paul aimed only at saving souls. That’s why he could have a positive thought, “I can do everything.” It is against God’s teaching to think, ‘I can do nothing’ or ‘I have no ability to preach like him/her,’ isn’t it?
Everything is possible if we do it with the belief―‘I can do everything through Him who gives me strength.’ However, if we hesitate or give up with the thought, ‘I can’t do,’ we are unable to make history or lead the world. We cannot step forward with the negative thought, ‘I can’t do.’
Nothing is impossible if we depend on God, not ourselves. God is with us in Zion and helps us. Sometimes we forget that and come to think, ‘We can’t’ or ‘Nobody is fit for the work.’ That’s the spirit of ‘Nobody.’
“Who is fit for the work?” “Nobody.” “Who can bear much fruit?” “Nobody.” If the church members have the spirit of ‘Nobody,’ can they forcefully advance the kingdom of heaven according to God’s will? Never. Let’s burn up the thought, ‘Nobody,’ by the fire of the Holy Spirit and have the thought, ‘Everybody.’
Heb 11:1-6 『Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see …. And without faith it is impossible to please God … 』
The Good News Bible says, “To have faith is to be sure of the things we hope for, to be certain of the things we cannot see” (Heb 11:1, Today’s English Version). With faith everything is possible. Faith makes the impossible possible.
Has God ever commanded inanimate objects to produce fruit? No. He has told us, living beings, to bear fruit, because we can do it. If our thought is changed from the negative ‘Nobody’ to the positive ‘Everybody,’ we will surely be able to bear fruit. With such a positive faith, we shall display the glory of God all the more.
Faith is required to enter the heavenly Canaan
On New Year’s Day morning, I watched a TV program about a success story of a famous woman. She was a Korean with short stature, who became a rare millionairess in the United States; she gained success after going through all kinds of troubles. The one and only secret of her success was the creed―‘I can do.’ She said that she was always sharing her creed―”He can do, she can do, why not me?”―with the people whom she met, as well-wishing remarks.
Thus, everything is possible for the person who thinks, ‘I can do’; he/she can build a large city even in a desert land. What about the person who thinks, ‘I can’t do’? He can never make the desert fertile; it will remain desolate forever.
We are called by God to awaken the people of the world to repent, so they may qualify to enter the kingdom of heaven. This is not an impossible thing at all. From nothing, God made the light, created the heavens and the earth, made the sea, created all the living creatures of the sea according to their kinds, and made all the wild animals and the livestock of the earth and the birds of the air. They were non-existent in the world; but God created them all. Which is difficult, to make something out of nothing or to bring what is already created? Com-pared with God’s creating man, it is really not difficult to bring back the 144,000 God has already created.
The Bible shows us there is a great difference in the results between those who hold the faith, ‘I can do,’ and those who think―‘I can’t do’―and give up. Considering the opposite results obtained by the two, we can recognize that the kingdom of heaven is given only to those who have a positive faith, along with a firm resolution that they will surely enter it.
Nu 13:30-14:30 『Then Caleb silenced the people before Moses and said, “We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it.” But the men who had gone up with him said, “We can’t attack those people; they are stronger than we are.” And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. … That night all the people of the community raised their voices and wept aloud. All the Israelites grumbled against Moses and Aaron, and the whole assembly said to them, “If only we had died in Egypt! Or in this desert! Why is the LORD bringing us to this land only to let us fall by the sword? Our wives and children will be taken as plunder. Wouldn’t it be better for us to go back to Egypt?” … Joshua son of Nun and Caleb son of Jephunneh, who were among those who had explored the land, tore their clothes and said to the entire Israelite assembly, … “And do not be afraid of the people of the land, because we will swallow them up. Their protection is gone, but the LORD is with us …” The LORD said to Moses and Aaron: “… In this desert your bodies will fall―every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.”』
As you know, this is a story about the twelve spies. Ten of them gave up early, repeating the word, ‘Nobody.’ “Who can enter the land of Canaan?” “Nobody.” “Who can live in the land of Canaan?” “Nobody.” At the spies’ disheartening words, all the Israelites wept bitterly. When the thought―‘I can’t do’―prevailed among the Israel-ites, there arose a kind of defeatism and hopelessness: ‘If only we had died in this desert!’ A sense of inferiority―‘They seemed like giants, but we are like grasshoppers’― began to weigh heavily on their hearts.
All of them gave up, and God didn’t allow them to enter the land of Canaan. He rewarded them according to their thought and faith.
Only two persons, Joshua and Caleb, cried out, ‘Everybody can enter the land of Canaan.’ They set an example of faith for us today, giving us a lesson that we can do everything under any circumstances because God is with us.
The kingdom of heaven is given to the person who thinks, ‘I can do’
The gospel can advance when there are many who think, ‘I can do.’ What happened to the Israelites in the desert is an example for us today. Considering the history, it is clear that those with the positive thought―‘I can do’―will ultimately enter the eternal kingdom of heaven.
Now, let’s dismiss the negative thought, ‘We can’t do,’ or ‘It is impossible for our church or group to do it.’ The thought―‘I can’t do’―makes us shrink back and plunges us into destruction. Let’s forcefully advance with the thought―‘I can do,’ depending on God, like Joshua and Caleb.
Those who think, ‘I can do,’ achieve their goal if there is a 1 percent possibility. However, those who think, ‘I can’t do,’ are unable to accomplish it even though there is a 99 percent possibility. So God said, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there’ and it will move” (Mt 17:20).
If we believe that we can do, depending on God, nothing is impossible for us. Let’s change our thought from now on. If we have the same faith as Joshua and Caleb, Babylon will be fallen soon, as was Jericho. Though Jericho seemed impregnable, it fell like piles of sand before God―it was blown away like chaff and perished as nothing.
Babylon appears powerful now, but it will be as nothing and consumed like stubble before our Almighty God. With great boldness and strong faith, let’s forcefully advance the kingdom of heaven.
Isa 14:24 『The LORD Almighty has sworn, “Surely, as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will stand.”』
God spoke through prophecy that everything would be accomplished. To us, who believe in God, the Bible gives this passage: ‘I can do everything through him who gives me strength.’ Remember the words of Jesus, “According to your faith will it be done to you.” Have a firm faith and resolution to fill the heavenly barn with good fruit that pleases our heavenly Father and Mother.
The world belongs to those who think that they can do. Likewise, the kingdom of heaven belongs to those who have positive thinking and faith. Those who think, ‘I can’t do,’ may just occupy their own sitting room. However, those who think, ‘I can do,’ will take the whole universe and become a royal priesthood in heaven, ruling over the galactic system (1 Pe 2:9).
Dear brothers and sisters, let’s do the gospel work with strong and affirmative faith―‘I can do everything through Him who gives me strength.’ Do not think in a negative way―‘I’m not capable of preaching,’ but in a positive manner―‘Everything is possible because God is with me; if I fail to do it, there must be something wrong with myself.’ I hope all of you will accomplish everything by doing it with faith.
The kingdom of heaven is forcefully being advanced even at this moment. Let’s leave our mark on it. Let us all forcefully advance the kingdom of heaven and enter it with joy, meeting our Father with abundant fruit when He comes.
By: Robert on June 19, 2008
at 9:58 pm
Robert,
Seriously, you have to stop posting long blogs. Even I skip through them! I am a CoG Member and I just can’t sit there and read 1000+ words. Most of the unbelievers of the 2nd Coming just skip it too. I understand you’re trying to preach the words that lead to eternal life… but they aren’t listening. Why don’t you answer their questions instead. Prove to them that we are right, that Father came again & established Mother. Prove that he really is God.
Altho most of you don’t want to believe it (or accept it), DA actually has made some good points. I am not saying he is right, or that I am falling for it, but he has some good argumentals and debate topics there!
Fathers is coming… you can tell by what’s happening to the world around us. It’s falling apart. There is word of WW3, and just as prophesied in the Bible, it is coming from the north.
We still have a chance to bring them to repentence. Buut don’t forget those brothers and sisters that are out there, those that believe and are waiting for the Holy Words.
It’s happening all too soon. There are 180,000 out there that must be found this year. Those that have a chance of entering heaven. Many will stay behind, but just as sister/brother posted…
Matthew 7:13-15
13″Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Not all will find it. We are blessed.
God Bless you all… I hope that you will repent before the end. You still have time.
By: Lizzie on June 20, 2008
at 12:40 am
Lizzie said: “Fathers is coming… you can tell by what’s happening to the world around us. It’s falling apart. There is word of WW3, and just as prophesied in the Bible, it is coming from the north.”
Actually, in terms of “war” and the “world falling apart” nothing has changed. Statistically, the rate of war and armed conflict throughout history is relatively unchanged. The number of wars and conflicts remain the same, the only thing that changes is our ability to more accurately document every single one of them.
Every year there are about 25 small scale armed conflicts worldwide, and 9 larger scaled conflicts. These include civil wars, proxy wars and conventional wars. Historically, every single year in mankinds history has had conflict and war. On average, there is only widespread peace once every 25.8 years. And even these periods only last a number of months.
Every generation thinks they are living in a “more violent time” when in fact they simply were unborn or too young to remember or understand when the last conflict took place.
Every single conflict in the world going on today, has happened before. You are probably simply too young to remember.
Even the Bible warns us of wrongly using “tales of war” as a benchmark:
Mark 13:7: But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, stop being alarmed. These things must take place, but the end hasn’t come yet
Cults often use “fear tactics” or “we are living in the end times” tactics to keep their members in check. But the fact is, now is not a “more violent time”. War is human nature. Creation and destruction go hand in hand.
By: Ted on June 20, 2008
at 1:30 am
Thank you Lizzie for pointing out the length of Roberts posting. It was way too long to be useful, which is a shame as he seems like a good motivational speaker.
From what I did read of Robert’s post, there were some assumptions that I don’t agree with. First being, he assumed that Judas didn’t make it to heaven. Now I can honestly say that I don’t know if he did or didn’t, but I can say for sure, he might have. Jesus and God new he was going to do what he did…maybe he was even following Gods personal commandment. We don’t know, so we can’t assume one way or another. But we do know about “grace” as it’s been testified through out the entire New Testament. So it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think that he did ask for forgiveness and repented his actions to God, who then granted him access to Heaven. As Dark Angel pointed out, the criminal next to Jesus on the cross was given Grace so we can clearly see how the Lord works.
Secondly, it sounded like, or rather I interpreted your statement of loosing things like Jaccob to mean that “you’ll have to loose and give up things to enter Heaven.” Yes we need to give a little to get a lot. It’s the lords way of teaching us compasssion and sharing. But you don’t have to give up or loose everything to go to heaven. Faithful tithers are rewarded with more resources. Faithful servants are rewarded with more time. But don’t miss this important point. it’s not mandatory to give up everything to enter the kingdom of heaven. Just don’t let worldly things define you.
And lastly Ted hit the nail on the head. It’s easy to point to the disasters of the world and spin that into something it’s not. It appears that there is more things going on in the world, but our technology and abilty to quickly diseminate information has given a false perception that there is more going on than there used to be. Albeit, I would agree that the world as a whole is less sensitive to violence due to the media culture.
Are we in the final days…maybe…maybe not. Would depened on what measurement of a day the lord is looking at. I for one don’t think we are near to end based on human time measurements. Regardless, we should live each day to it’s fullist and never live in fear. Don’t make decisions based on fear.
Fear is a tool of the devil.
By: CoGinator on June 20, 2008
at 4:33 am
I agree CoGinator…
Fear is a tool of the devil. Luckily I have no fear of anything. I don’t fear God’s coming supposedly in 4 years. In fact I wish he’d delay longer (heck he’s done it for 2000 yrs). I have too many things in my life to live for to just say “fu** it” I cant sit here and believe my kids won’t see their 20’s!But one thing I do believe:
I believe that eventually he will come in his own good time. Might be today, might be tomorrow. Or he might not just come in my lifetime.
I do believe in living life to it’s fullest. I do so everyday of my life. I believe God has blessed me with an IQ of 120 and a 3.85 GPA. I don’t sit and loathe about how the world is going to end in 4 years, but I do know that its ending… Can’t tell you when tho. Either by his hands or our own!
The fear tactic you speak of Ted, was not embedded in me by no cult, what I said, was said because I use REALITY.
700 years ago no one thought that an Atomic Bomb was ever to become a reality, so don’t sit there and feed me the BS that its always been this way, or that I was too young. It hasn’t always been this way. Its getting worst everyday. And I have a dead cousin to prove it.
If you want to live blondfolded, thats all you! I personally am not a statistic to what this society wants you to believe.
I just hope and pray that when this happends.. whether it be now or in 100 years, that you are ready to explain why you havent kept the Lords commandments.
Even if you chose not to go to a CoG.. atleast keep his Sabbath and the 7 feasts of 3 times. Don’t worship the false idol (Ahnsahnhong & MJ) but do’t fall short either.
I personally do not know of Judas’ whereabouts, and I am sure you don’t either. Maybe he is in heaven, maybe not. But he was always a pawn in Gods great plan. God knew from the get go that he was going to use Judas as an instrument for fulfillment. I am guessing if the murderer that was on Jesus right @ the crucifixion went to heaven maybe Judas is? I have no clue.
Maybe you should ask Ahnsahnghong!
Another question to you all non believers. If Ahnsahnghong isn’t the second coming… what is Jesus’ new name?
When the twigs get tender he will come back w a new name… SO WHAT IS HIS NEW NAME?
Twigs got tender in 47-48… So whats his new name?
Matthew 24
Fig Tree Parable
30″At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (winds means war)
32″Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
What is the fig tree?
Luke 13
5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
6Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
The man w the fig tree was Jesus, the fig tree is Israel. He found no fruit within the 3 years of preaching.. So he cut off Israel
12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
Thereceding like a scroll is the nuclear bomb and wind is war..
Amos 1:14
I will set fire to the walls of Rabbah that will consume her fortresses amid war cries on the day of battle, amid violent winds on a stormy day.
So WW2 came about Israel was restored and 2nd Coming Jesus was to be at the door
I hope you were ready for him and according to prophesy you will know his new name
GB
By: Lizzie on June 20, 2008
at 9:04 am
Hi Lizzie,
you said, “Another question to you all non believers. If Ahnsahnghong isn’t the second coming… what is Jesus’ new name?
When the twigs get tender he will come back w a new name… SO WHAT IS HIS NEW NAME?
Twigs got tender in 47-48… So whats his new name?”
That’s a good question, Lizzie. If I were to say there is no literal “new name”, you might laugh, so I won’t say it.
If ahnsahnhgong is the “revealer of mystery”, what did he say the new name was?
It was not the name “ahnsahnhgong”, that’s for sure. If memory serves me right, he said the name was “Jesus”.
From what I’ve read in his book, he did not declare a “new name”.
He said, (now don’t quote me on this) “When the second coming returns, his name will be Jesus”.
I can tell you which book he said that in tomorrow.
Perhaps I misunderstood him, so I will post it and if you can, please try to explain what he means and explain why he never revealed a new name, if he is indeed someone who is supposed to reveal mysteries.
thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 20, 2008
at 10:29 am
Hello Lizzie,
I have no time to post tomorrow, so I’ll post the information now.
The following is taken from his book
“The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life”
Chapter 12
The Name Jesus Means Savior
In the Old Testament, it is written many times that there is no savior besides the Lord [Jehovah].
Isa. 43:11 “I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior”
Isa. 45:21 “…And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior, there is none but me.”
And it is written in the book of Hosea..
Hos. 13:4 “But I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.”
Ahnsahnghong says: “But in the New Testament, it is written that there is no savior besides Jesus.”
Acts 4:11-12 “He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
Matt. 1:21 “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” The name Jesus means savior.
Ahnsahnghong says: “By the way, as Jesus prophesied that false Christs would appear in the last days, now many false Christs appear and say, “I am the Christ.” But only Jesus can be the Savior’s name not only at his first coming but even in the last days.”
Lizzie, what did ahnsahnghong mean by,
“But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
If you have the book handy, please reference the chapter and if you can, explain what he meant and why ahnsahnghong never mentioned the “new name”.
I am aware that ahnsahnghong also wrote about names of the “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” in the same book, yet still, no mention of the “new name”.
I have more questions for you but for now, just explain what he meant by that.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 20, 2008
at 4:45 pm
Lizzie said: “700 years ago no one thought that an Atomic Bomb was ever to become a reality, so don’t sit there and feed me the BS that its always been this way, or that I was too young. It hasn’t always been this way. Its getting worst everyday. And I have a dead cousin to prove it.
If you want to live blondfolded, thats all you!”
It has always been this way. The rate of death to wars and conflicts has always been consistent. The atomic bomb actually killed less than the primitive Mogual invasions, Ming wars or Roman wars. In terms of bloodshed, the A-bomb was a very minor incident.
If you draw a timeline of all recorded human conflicts, and then charter the amount of deaths and amount of conflicts, it demonstrates a consistent pattern. Nothing changes. Each generation simply forgets the experiences and woes of generations before it.
Also, though we have the atomic bomb, we have better medical care and medicine. During the early 20th century the life expectancy of an average human being was 30-35 years. During the Medieval times, few saw life outside of their 20s. In contrast, today we typically live to our 70s. You might say that for every person living today, we live the lives of 2 people merely 100 years ago.
So while you cry about man’s capacity to destroy with “evil technology”, remeber that this same technology is giving us “extra life”. Now is not a “more dangerous time” nor do our ability to make “atomic bombs” make us more violent.
Human beings have largely stopped evolving. Instead, our tools evolve for us. We create technology and tools to overcome our problems, instead of our bodies adapting to overcome problems for us. While most animals biologically adapt to their environments, we create tools to adapt the environment to us. The result is the psyche of the average human being is largely the same primitive beast it was thousands of years ago. As a society, our balance between violent barbarianism and empathic compassion has always been the same.
Lizzie said: “I don’t fear God’s coming supposedly in 4 years.”
Supposedly? Don’t you believe the teachings of the COG? Or have they started preparing their members to be disappointed?
By: Ted on June 20, 2008
at 8:43 pm
Hi everyone I appologize for the long post if it bothers you guys. Even my Heavenly Sister thinks it’s too much to read.
To all my Brothers and Sisters in Church of God, I’m always here if you guys need help. I will do everything not to let you guys down. I’ll pick you guys up you any of you fall down. Our bondness and togetherness should always be there if we keep the brotherly love to each one of us. Let’s also not let any of our bro’s and sis’ to walk in darkness because they are going to stumble. Keep everybody in the light of truth which comes from the Supreme Being, our God. The Great Architech of the Universe, God, who created everything gave us the guidance to walk in the right path of eternal salvation through the Bible. Father and Mother will be pleased if we keep their words.
By: Robert on June 20, 2008
at 9:04 pm
Lizzie you said, “I believe God has blessed me with an IQ of 120 and a 3.85 GPA.”
You’d think with that high of an IQ you’d be a 4.0 GPA. Just kidding. That’s an excellent accomplishment.
I agree with Dark Angel about the words “new name”. Who says when the scripture says a “new name” it’s meant in the literal translation as in a human name. Often times when stating something coming in a new name it means a new purpose. For example, a super hero can state “I come in the name of Truth and Honesty?” That doesn’t imply their name is “Truth” and “Honesty”. In the case of Jesus, the new name he coming back for isn’t to spread the word as he did the first time, but he’s coming in the name of Revelations…meaning he’s bringing the Christians to the Kingdom.
I find it a bit ironic that you don’t believe in what the CoG teaches about the EOTW being 2012. And you made reference to Ahnsahnghong and MJ being false idols.
So if that’s the case, then it sounds like your big motive for attending the WMSCOG is because it makes sense to support the concept of the sabbath.
But how do you justify that we are no longer under the law?
In the Old Testament, the word “law” is used to translated the Hebrew word torah, “instruction.” The Hebrew word for “law” probably comes from the causative form of the verb yarah, “to throw,” “to shoot (arrows).” In the hiphil stem, the verb horah means “to point, guide, instruct, teach.” Hence, the law is that which provides authoritative guidance. In the New Testament, the Greek word used for law is nomos. Nomos means “that which is assigned,” hence, “usage, custom,” and then “law,” or “a rule governing one’s actions.”
Thus God’s law is His system of rules by which He shows and instructs in His will and administers the affairs of the world. Obviously the definition allows for and even implies that there might be differing systems of rules at various times, depending on what particular aspects or how much of His will God wishes to show at a given time.…A system of rules may be tailored for different times, peoples, or purposes. . .
It is common to divide the Mosaic Law into three parts as illustrated below, but though this is helpful for analysis and the study of the Mosaic Law and the way it functions, such a division is never stated as such in Scripture. Rather it is seen as a unit. Arguments for this will be given below.
* Part 1: The Moral Law or the Ten Commandments. This part of the Law governed the moral life giving guidance to Israel in principles of right and wrong in relation to God and man (Exodus 20:1-17).
* Part 2: The Judgments, or the Social Law. This part of the Law governed Israel in her secular, social, political, and economic life (Exodus 21:1–23:13).
* Part 3: The Ordinances or the Ceremonial Law. This was the religious portion of Law which guided and provided for Israel in her worship and spiritual relationship and fellowship with God. It included the priesthood, tabernacle and sacrifices (Exodus 25:-31: Leviticus).
Several passages of Scripture clearly establish that the coming of Christ has brought an end to the Mosaic Law. Paul specifically states that “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Rom. 10:4). This instituted a new law or principle of life, i.e., the law of the Spirit, the one of liberty and grace (Rom. 8:2, 13). This fact was also clearly settled by the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. A council was convened in the church at Jerusalem to look into the issue of the Law and its place in the life of believers because some were saying “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved,” and because even certain of the Pharisees who had believed were also saying “It is necessary to circumcise the Gentiles and to order them to observe the law of Moses.” The conclusion of the council, consisting of apostles and elders, was to reject the concept of placing New Testament believers under the yoke of the Law (15:6-11). The only thing the Jerusalem Council asked was that Gentile believers control their liberty in matters that might be offensive to Jewish believers, but they did not seek to place the believers under the yoke of the Law for they realized the Law had come to an end.
Finally, the book of Hebrews demonstrates that the old covenant of the Mosaic Law was only temporary and has been replaced by the coming of Christ whose ministry is based on (1) a better priesthood, one after the order of Melchizedek which is superior to Aaron’s, and (2) a better covenant with better promises (see Heb. 7-10). The old covenant was only a shadow of heavenly things, and if it had been able to make men perfect before God there would have been no occasion for a second or new covenant (see Heb. 7:11-12; 8:1-13). This change in the priesthood also necessitates a change in the Law. Such a change shows the Law has been terminated or done away.
Also, notice no one has answered me if they eat pork or not. I suspect this is because the do eat pork, yet that is part of the Mosaic law. So why get all high and mighty on the Sabbath, yet spit in God face by eating pork?
By: CoGinator on June 20, 2008
at 9:10 pm
Well, well, well, look at what I have found. One of the member of COG, brofromzion, is spamming the Jehovah Witness Discussion Forum. Funny how brofromzion is arguing with ‘another cult’ like the JW. brofromzion posted about the ‘Secret of Forgiveness of Sins, Sabbath Day, Veil’. He is actually nailing those JW but somehow my fellow atheists is stopping his COG doctrines from spreading in that forum. Here’s the website:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/159211/1.ashx
I also noticed that brofromzion loves to ‘copy and paste’ from a COG member blog after I analyze his postings there.
COG=FAIL!
By: Clark on June 20, 2008
at 9:13 pm
“But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
– Ahnsanghong
BAM!! Looks like we have ourselves a smoking gun!
By: CoGinator on June 20, 2008
at 9:18 pm
By the way, here’s an interesting post from BurnTheShips on Jun 19 2008:
Regarding the Sabbath:
Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, from earliest times it has been the traditional day of Christian worship, however, you can worship any day of the week.
Regarding Sunday worship we are told in Acts 20:7,
“Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.”
Why did they come together on the first day of the week? Here we see the church in the first century came together on the first day of every week to break bread, which is the Lord’s Supper. Their primary reason of coming together on the first day of the week was to partake of the Lord’s Supper.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2, “Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: on the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside.”
Other early witnesses attesting to the early date of Sunday worship:
The Didache, 70AD
“But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned”
The epistle of Barnabas, 74AD
“We keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead”
Ignatius’ Letter to the Magnesians, 110 AD
“Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death”
Etc. There are many other early witnesses of the practice of worship on Sunday.
BTS
I can honestly say that the COG fail big time.
COG=FAIL!
By: Clark on June 20, 2008
at 9:28 pm
COGinator and Dark Angel, you guys are doing a good job. You guys patiently showed the members of COG of how of a cult their group are. Keep it up so we could help those families that the COG destroyed.
By: Clark on June 20, 2008
at 9:41 pm
COGinator that’s very clear straight from Ahnsahnghong. Even him claims that only Jesus Christ is the Savior. Jesus Christ is the only way, the truth and the life. Whoever believes in Him has eternal life.
By: Frank on June 21, 2008
at 12:31 am
COGinator said “BAM!! Looks like we have ourselves a smoking gun!”
COGinator, are you having fun? You still don’t understand by now that Jesus and Ahnsahnghong are One as God in different age. KEEP THEM COMING.
By: Poland on June 21, 2008
at 12:33 am
Robert,
I think that your last post was beautiful and should be posted over and over to show the TRUE heart of Fathers Children. It was enlightening!
“To all my Brothers and Sisters in Church of God, I’m always here if you guys need help. I will do everything not to let you guys down. I’ll pick you guys up you any of you fall down. Our bondness and togetherness should always be there if we keep the brotherly love to each one of us. Let’s also not let any of our bro’s and sis’ to walk in darkness because they are going to stumble. Keep everybody in the light of truth which comes from the Supreme Being, our God. The Great Architech of the Universe, God, who created everything gave us the guidance to walk in the right path of eternal salvation through the Bible. Father and Mother will be pleased if we keep their words.”
I am sorry about repremanding you yesterday. I am only telling you to please not waste Father & Mothers’ precious words of eternal life on those that don’t want to listen, There are others that are waiting for it, but here in this blog, when it is too long they will skip thru the teachings of God. I already know them, I just want to listen to what THEY have to say about our teachings (thats why I skip thru). I wonder if they would have done the same to Jesus 2000 years ago. Father said dont throw your pearls to pigs (Matt 7:6) They think these words of God are the sole teachings of the CoG, but what they can’t see is, it’s the teachings of THE ONLY God, their same God, infact. It was written in the Holy Bible thousands of years ago.
Ahnsahnghong didn’t make up the words of the bible, he just taught us how to read it.
So lets have the TRUE love of brothers and sister. I agree with you 200%. I am sorry for that.
May Father and Mother Bless You
By: Lizzie on June 21, 2008
at 12:57 am
Poland said, “You still don’t understand by now that Jesus and Ahnsahnghong are One as God in different age. KEEP THEM COMING.”
With all due respect, that post has zero value. There is no information, nothing tangable to sink our teeth in and discuss. Infact the only thing that post did, was prove to everyone that when there is nothing to rebute, the cult persona is force to a stance of…”your not smart enough”.
So my question is, if Ahnsahnghong didn’t believe the second comming of Christ would be any other than Jesus himself (from his own words printed in his own book). What makes you think that the people who hijacked his church would know better.
You can say all day long that I don’t get it, and I guess that is true…because the Gospel, the historical facts, and Ahnsahnghong himself all prove otherwise.
I’ll agree that if you’ve believed this for so long, it’s a difficult change to make. There are people who you love and enjoy who are deeply convinced too of those same thoughts. I’m sure you want to resist the embarrasment of admiting that maybe this whole time you were wrong. It’s ok, we all make mistakes. We all have the wool pulled over our heads from time to time. The great news is you can change. You can start making a difference by teaching the truth. You can repent and ask for forgiveness. Our God is god of Mercy and Grace. It’s not too late.
Baby steps…the first step is to denounce ASH and MJ as Gods, then repent your sin and ask for forgiveness. Don’t worry about the Sabbath for now…keep attending a sabbath service if that’s what you desire. We can talk about that later, but you must get right with the Lord!!!
By: CoGinator on June 21, 2008
at 1:42 am
So I’ve noticed that when there is a simple, quick and easy question that everyone in the WMSCOG, who comes to this blog, could answer they avoid it like the plague.
I wonder if they don’t know how to answer, becuase there hasn’t been a study on it. I can almost see everyone looking at the question and then trying to figure out the best way to answer so that it best supports thier posistion. Kind of like playing chess and looking for the perfect move in response to the last move.
Here’s an idea… JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!
Here it is and I’ll type slow, so everyone can understand.
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Q U E S T I O N :
“Do you eat pork? Yes or No?”
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Any bets if this goes unresolved?
Lizzie, you have a high IQ…I’m sure you completely understand the question. Are you willing to be the first person to actually answer it?
By: CoGinator on June 21, 2008
at 1:56 am
Yes I will be the first with my HIGH IQ and answer your question.
I know why you are asking us to answer that, because of the following verse, where it states that we shall not eat from its meat……
Deut 14:8
The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
I have never been told not to eat of it because those are regulations of the Mosiac Law in the Old Testament… the law written on stone kinda thing…
The New Testament which is what Jesus taught & Paul proclaimed states the following:
Acts 15:19~21
19″It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
I hope I answered your question since everyone has been evading it!
By: Lizzie on June 21, 2008
at 4:26 am
I think its safe to say that I am not under the written law which kills but the law of the Spirit that gives life.
2 Corinthians 3:~11
4Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. 5Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
By: Lizzie on June 21, 2008
at 4:44 am
Ted,
I agree. My father, my father’s father, and so on have been hearing the same crap about “end of the world” and it will always continue with each generation.
Poland,
If you feel as though no one understands, why not try explaining it in full detail, while being clear and concise.
Hi Lizzie,
If you can, please explain why ahnshanhgong meant in regards to what I posted earlier.
Marcus/Ryan/John tried to explain it some time ago but his explaination just did not add up for many reasons. I do not remember what he said, he deleted all of his posts, then, coincidentally the message board was hacked and all of the information posted was wiped clean.
I want to get down to the bottom of what this man said because for a “god”, he is not being clear and concise.
By: Dark Angel on June 21, 2008
at 6:07 am
You know DA, that’s a question you are going to have to ask him…. Marcus/Ryan/John, because I cannot give a men’s opinion on the matter. I wil have to read up on/study the book you are mentioning and then I can give you a precise answer or MY OPINION. It wont be fair to you/me/CoG/Ahnsahnghong/MJ and everyone else that is involved. I have answered a majority of the questions thrown at the CoG but I will withhold for now.
I am sorry if that dissapoints you.
I will even ask my Pastor and Deacon to see what it is, and THEIR answer compared to mine.
I will get back to all of you later.
Oh and to Tony…
I am from the Florida Chapter
By: Lizzie on June 21, 2008
at 8:32 am
Fair enough, Lizzie.
I just want to understand what he means, it’s not a jab at the COG, it’s something that did not fit into the stories that I’ve heard.
There’s been so many things said about ahnsahnghong, that it would simply be impossible for someone to come “in secret”.
Whether “secret” is being defined as:
1. him not coming through clouds in a chariot or whatever
or
2. no one knowing who he was when he was alive.
Both definitions are being used apparently, which I find very weird. As though someone were trying to cover both ends or fill in all of the possible holes.
One moment someone is using “secret” in defintion 1 and the next moment another person is using definition 2 to describe “secret”.
Then some are saying that he was persecuted like jesus and others are saying something different.
Anyway, thanks again and thanks for addressing my post.
By: Dark Angel on June 21, 2008
at 10:17 am
DA,
Another thing that I wont say is that he was “persecuted” like Jesus. I am not a family member of his and I never lived in his neighborhood. I personally didn’t see him get “persecuted”. Unless I see it, I wont put my hand in the fire for it.
I believe that this church teaches the truth. I believe this is the ONE & ONLY church that follows the commandments given by God, everyone else keeps it in their own way. They have changed the laws to fit their ways. I believe this church was built and taught by Christ himself, since he fulfilled all prophesies. But I will not testify to him being persecuted like Jesus. I didn’t see it.
The definitions you mentioned above are also something I will not comment on. All I do know is that the coming in the clouds is in the flesh, but that is another story all on its own.
By: Lizzie on June 21, 2008
at 11:39 am
Hi Lizzie,
I understand that you do not want to speak on something that you do not know about, unless you were a witness to the event, however, you do believe Jesus was persecuted, yet, you were not there as well.
You believe alot of things about ahnsanhgong without being a witness to the stories that are told of him.
That is what I meant a while ago in my post about fairy tales being told of him.
For example: claims of him ascending.
Not too long ago, members believed that he “ascended bodily”. Only until the information about his burial site and grave came to the surface, that is when the stories changed to how he “ascended in spirit”.
But thanks again for taking the time to share information, means alot.
By: Dark Angel on June 21, 2008
at 12:32 pm
Lizzie,
Thanks for answering the question. Can I assume from your answer that because you have not been told not to eat pork that you do eat pork.
Also, your posts regarding the written law is supporting the notion that the sabbath is not required as it too was written in stone.
For the letter of the law (mosaic) specified worshiping on the Sabbath. But in the spirit, any day that is set aside for the Lord will suffice. Jesus superseded the law.
You can’t have it both ways. Either the law is in effect or it’s not…and you’ve clearly posted that it’s not.
By: CoGinator on June 21, 2008
at 1:21 pm
Poland you said,
“COGinator, are you having fun? You still don’t understand by now that Jesus and Ahnsahnghong are One as God in different age. KEEP THEM COMING.”
Now according to COG’s concept of the trinity:
1. God the Father, Jehovah = God the Son, Jesus
2. God the Father, Jehovah = God the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong
3. God the Son, Jesus = God the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong
4. The Holy Spirit is a personal being
Basically, ahnsahnghong are all three Beings. Now that concept may seem rational to many cog members, but it is very irrational to someone who may who may read Mark 13:32, stating that no one knows of the end, not even the son (Jesus).
Now, ahnsahnghong is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
According to the cog’s trinity concept, shouldn’t ahnsahnghong know when the end is if he is the father?
How does he not know when the end is, yet, is able to know when the end is, at the same time?
How can he withold information from himself?
That’s very weird to me.
If he’s the father then he should know but he doesn’t know because he’s the son and the holy spirit, hence his wrong predictions?
Poland, can you explain that?
By: Dark Angel on June 22, 2008
at 1:32 pm
Dark Angel, right now I don’t know the answer but don’t worry I’ll ask God to give me the answer and it’s in the Bible. I thank you for your patience.
COGinator said “You can’t have it both ways. Either the law is in effect or it’s not…and you’ve clearly posted that it’s not.”
COGinator, only God can decide what laws are in effect according to His words the Bible, not your opinion that nobody can’t have it both ways.
Acts 10:9-16 – About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
COGinator, the World Mission Society Church of God follows the law of Christ because it is the reality of all God’s laws.
Colossians 2:16-17 – Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 – Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Now COGinator, do you know the law of Christ regarding of eating pork?
Matthew 15:10-20 – Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ ” Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?” He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man ‘unclean’; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’ ”
COGinator, God bless you and KEEP THEM COMING!
By: Poland on June 23, 2008
at 3:17 am
Ok Poland, thanks.
I’m looking forard to reading your response, as well as Lizzie’s.
By: Dark Angel on June 23, 2008
at 5:47 am
Dark Angel said:
“I understand that you do not want to speak on something that you do not know about, unless you were a witness to the event, however, you do believe Jesus was persecuted, yet, you were not there as well.”
Dark Angel, the Bible testifies that Jesus was persecuted. Remember the Bible is the “Word of God”. That’s why I believe that Jesus was persecuted and also prophecied that the Son of Man will suffer, die and resurrect from the dead.
As for Ahnsahnghong, like Lizzie said, there’s no witness for Him being persecuted like Jesus. The difference is what the Bible testifies and it’s pretty much black and white that Jesus was persecuted and put to death.
Now let’s look at the Bible about the Second Coming of Christ.
Hebrews 9:28
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
The Second Coming Christ purpose is not to bear sin, meaning He will not suffer the way Jesus did. Now here let me show you this verse from the Bible.
John 14:15-21
“If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
skipping to verse 25-31
“All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.
Clearly Jesus is talking about His Second Coming here. Jesus testified that “And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him” Not a lot of people accept Ahnsahnghong as the Second Coming Christ because it neither sees him nor knows him when Ahnsahnghong fulfilled all the prophecies of the Second Coming Christ. Ahnsahnghong will not suffer like Jesus because Ahnsahnghong is not to bear sin. But still the world won’t accept Him as prophecied in the Bible. Ahnsahnghong brought back salvation through Jesus Passover of new covenant and reminded us the true teachings of Jesus and the Apostles that was abolished by Constantine, thinking that it is a Jewish and Gentiles customs issue. I hope this helps a little bit regarding of Ahnsahnghong suffering like Jesus. I’ll keep reading the Bible and will give you more insight Dark Angel. God bless you.
By: Bright Angel on June 23, 2008
at 4:02 pm
Hi Bright Angel,
Here’s some comments made by cog members, about ahnsahnghong being persecuted. Tell me if you believe them or not (even though you nor they were not there).
cog member 1,
“2000 years ago, Jesus Christ was persecuted, mocked, ridiculed and crucified. In the same way 2nd coming Christ must undergo all these difficulties to fulfill prophecy.”
cog member 2,
“Fathers life was full of sacrifice for us. He came in the flesh a Second time to grant us salvation, he did not hesitate to do it. He prayed, fast, walked the thorny path for us, he was beating, mocked for our iniquities. And on top of that, he preached the Gospel with all his heart in order to find his children.”
cog member 3,
“One can only imagine how many comments our Father Christ AhnSahngHong received during his 37 years of ministry! As everyone knows, the apostles 2000 years ago were regarded as a sect/cult (Acts 24:7).”
cog member 4,
“Father AhnSahngHong suffered so much in his lifetime, he worked as a stone mason for many years. Father never complained but rather worked even harder for his children. Only a true Father would undergo so many severe trials in this world. Thank you Father for allowing us to understand a little of your sacrifice.”
cog member 5,
“Father Ahnsahnghong’s life in this earth was nothing but harships. He worked a very streneous job to support Himself and all the church members at the time.
He traveled on foot long distances without eating to preach to someone who would reject His concern for their soul. Father endured the pain of seing His own children suffering in this world and also the persecution of all who denied Father’s teachings.
Father’s life in this earth was painful, but He did it happily because it meant our salvation. Thanks forever Father Christ Ahnsahnghong!”
cog member 6,
“When Jesus Christ came two thousand years ago, all people did was accuse him of wrongdoing and persecuted him even thought he wanted to give the people eternal life. It is the same with Christ AhnSahngHong. He fulfilled all the prophecies in the Bible and came to this earth for 37 years preaching, sacrificing, and enduring hardship and persecution just so sinners could have salvation. How can anyone scrutinize that?”
By: Dark Angel on June 23, 2008
at 4:58 pm
Bright Angel,
Do you agree with those comments? I don’t know about you, but i’ve come across words that say “persecution”, “suffer”, “sacrifice”, “hardship”.
The question is, by whom?
If he was just an ordinary man preaching the gospel like every other guy then, why was he beaten and mocked?
Who was he beaten and mocked by?
If he was persecuted for simply talking about the bible, then, you might as well say that all missionaries were beaten and mocked in South Korea.
Which includes:
Catholic missionaries
Protestant missionaries,
Seventh Day Adventist missionaries
and so on, simply for preaching the gospel.
Heck, even the missionaries within his own church should have been beaten and mocked along with him and if that were the case, then his “persecution” is no greater than anyone else who received the same treatment.
If all of those comments are fabricated from the members own imagination, then maybe I shouldn’t take those comments literally.
Purposely denying himself food doesn’t make him special.
By: Dark Angel on June 23, 2008
at 5:11 pm
Let me just fill you in on something. Marcus/Ryan once posted to me that when ahnsahnghong was alive, there were members in his congregation who denied his “divinity”.
He also mentioned that there were members who mocked him and even stole a few of his books.
Unfortunately, Marcus/Ryan deleted all of his posts from the old cult-watch board. So now, I can not post what he said.
Last comment,
“Looking the life our Father Christ Ahnsahnghong is the same way as Jesus Christ. Of course they are the same!!!!!!!. Also, it so amazing to see how our Father took the same humanity like us so that we understand about his love and sacrifice.”
By: Dark Angel on June 23, 2008
at 5:29 pm
Thanks for the response Dark Angel. Honestly your post above about the testimony from different Church of God members shows that not everyone is getting the right information. I have never heard of Ahnsahnghong being crucified like Jesus. As for me, the only reason I believe in Ahnsahnghong as the Second Coming Christ is because of the prophecies He fulfilled in the Bible. But like my last response to you Dark Angel, nowhere in the Bible that says about the Second Coming Christ being persecuted and crucified like Jesus. What it said in the Bible is that the world cannot accept Him because it neither sees nor knows Him. I might have to do some extensive research about this. I apologize Dark Angel for the actions of some of my brothers and sisters and not giving you the right answers. If I get the correct information, I’ll send it to you as clear as crystal. God bless you Dark Angel.
By: Bright Angel on June 23, 2008
at 7:48 pm
To all my Brothers and Sisters in Church of God, be careful in dealing with Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel, Clark and those who are against us. They are gathering information for their quest to make war against our church. If they don’t understand it, it’s not meant for them so don’t beat the dead horse.
Matthew 7:6 ‘”Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.’
Bro’s and Sis’, we all know that in the end, the World Mission Society Church of God will prevail as testified in the Bible. I hope you guys understand what I’m talking about. Only preach to our lost brothers and sisters, not to those who already made up their mind to persecute us verbally.
By: Elijah on June 23, 2008
at 8:08 pm
“Thanks for the response Dark Angel. Honestly your post above about the testimony from different Church of God members shows that not everyone is getting the right information.”
The COG has propoganda videos which use a Korean actor as “ahnsahnghong”. These videos go on to show how much “hardship” and “persecution” he suffered.
“I have never heard of Ahnsahnghong being crucified like Jesus.”
He wasn’t crucified. The COG belief is that he suffered and was persecuted. This too is a lie, as he lived a normal life as a pastor.
“As for me, the only reason I believe in Ahnsahnghong as the Second Coming Christ is because of the prophecies He fulfilled in the Bible.”
You’ve inserted Ahnsahnghong into the Bible. Where the Bible speaks of Jesus or the OT Jewish God, you read a Korean man into it, creating false prophecies to validate your belief.
“But like my last response to you Dark Angel, nowhere in the Bible that says about the Second Coming Christ being persecuted and crucified like Jesus.”
The COG believe Ahnsahnghong was persecuted, chased from villages and made to break and carry stones up mountains. They also believe that Mother was made to clean toilets. There were several of these propoganda videos on youtube, but the COG lawyers threatened to sue the users and forced them to take these videos down.
Jesus didn’t use lawyers and corporate threats.
“What it said in the Bible is that the world cannot accept Him because it neither sees nor knows Him.”
“Him” and “Father” refer to Jesus and the OT God of Judaism. The Bible does not speak of Ahnsahnghong in the future tense. The COG distorts timelines and mixes verses to create the illusion that Ahnsahnghong and a female God was prophecised.
“I might have to do some extensive research about this.”
What do you mean by research? Are you going to consult your pastor?
“If I get the correct information, I’ll send it to you as clear as crystal.”
The problem is that your source is providing you with false information wholesale. What you perceive to be “crystal clear” is just “bite size” and simplistic pseudo-religion.
By: Ted on June 23, 2008
at 8:24 pm
Ted, what is your problem? We’re trying make things clear and here you are assuming things your not even sure. Ted, are you the only one who can interpret the Bible? Not according to the Bible. What about the other denominations out there? Ted, you hate the Church of God so much but it’s ok for you if the Muslims kills Christians. I say we ignore Ted’s ignorant comments.
On the other hand, COGinator and Dark Angel are trying to get things clear regarding information about Church of God. Ted is just a hater and ignorant. COGinator and Dark Angel, how can you guys put up with Ted’s ignorance? Ted, don’t let me see you in person. If you continue to be an ignorant in this blog, I will make sure you fall on your knees and stay down in the grassy field and keep you drowning there. I apologize to everyone for my words against Ted’s ignorance.
By: Robert on June 23, 2008
at 9:12 pm
Poland said, “COGinator, only God can decide what laws are in effect according to His words the Bible, not your opinion that nobody can’t have it both ways.”
my posting was based on what God has said as stated in the bible…not what you’ve been taught by the opinon of men from WMSCOG.
Colossians 2:16-17 – Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
–Meaning don’t let anyone (like WMSCOG) judge you because you don’t follow Mosaic Law customs that were the shadow to the gift that Jesus performed on the cross which is the reality.
The word “These” in Colossians 2: 17 is referencing the old law (food/Drink requirements, festivals, and yes the Sabbath too) that “were” (noticed the past tense) to come. The word “however” indicates there has been a change.
By: CoGinator on June 23, 2008
at 9:22 pm
Bro. Robert thanks for pointing out Ted’s mind on Church of God. Ted the Erratic Cheese is running like a ratatoulie and looking for more cheese so he could use it against God’s Zion. He has so much “cheese of lies” that he doesn’t know where to hide now. Ted brace yourself. Make sure you have enough cheese for your coming meals.
By: Bright Angel on June 23, 2008
at 9:25 pm
Bright Angel, in John 14:15-21 he’s obviously talking about the holy spirit, and his definition of the Holy Spirit is that of not a human…not a person, but that of a spirit…as ghost like entity that we can not see. To try and classify ASH in that capacity is heracy.
Elijah, what about all the lost sheep?
Robert, wow! I think Ted struck a nerve with you. I think his comments added value seeing that he was a Decon and did the things the WMSCOG members here are doing. But Ted saw the truth and managed to break free of the group mindset.
Your threats are not Christ like!
By: CoGinator on June 23, 2008
at 9:38 pm
COGinator said “–Meaning don’t let anyone (like WMSCOG) judge you because you don’t follow Mosaic Law customs that were the shadow to the gift that Jesus performed on the cross which is the reality.
The word “These” in Colossians 2: 17 is referencing the old law (food/Drink requirements, festivals, and yes the Sabbath too) that “were” (noticed the past tense) to come. The word “however” indicates there has been a change.”
COGinator I understand that. Again the Church of God follows the law of Christ, not the law of Moses. I don’t want to be rude but your not getting what I showed you above. Yes COGinator, there’s been a change. Christ is the reality of the laws of Moses. Here COGinator, I have some questions to you:
Did Jesus and the Apostles keep the Passover?
Yes the Passover bread and wine which gives eternal life, not the Passover of the Old Testament where you eat lamb.
Did Jesus keep the Sabbath Day?
Yes.
Did Jesus clearly said that what goes into your mouth does not make you ‘unclean’?
Yes, it’s not what you eat but what comes out of your heart makes you unclean.
COGinator, I agree with you. There has been change in the laws and Christ made them perfect. Now if you still wanna insist that it is for Jews then you already know that Jesus examples are for everyone including Gentiles. God bless you COGinator.
By: Poland on June 23, 2008
at 9:39 pm
Robert and Bright Angel,
Ted has a valid point. There are videos of ahnsahnghong and not only have my family member watched them, even a cog member have commented on them.
I can post if you like.
You guys say that none of this stuff members of the cog mentioned happened at all. However, other members believe that it did.
It’s not about what I believe, it’s about what most members of the cog believes because they are the ones spreading this false info.
Any actual videos of him walking up mountains and doing the things that you believe he did should be questioned.
(If) he made videos of himself, the question would be…why?
By: Dark Angel on June 23, 2008
at 9:42 pm
Robert said,
“Ted, don’t let me see you in person. If you continue to be an ignorant in this blog, I will make sure you fall on your knees and stay down in the grassy field and keep you drowning there.”
Hehe. Take a deep breath man, it’s not that serious.
By: Dark Angel on June 23, 2008
at 9:51 pm
COGinator and Dark Angel, your buddy Ted speaks out of ignorance. He must learn where his place is at and that is looking at what is being discussed and not critizicing God’s Zion. Some of my brothers and sisters are trying to answer your concerns on Church of God and here is Ted speaking blasphemy about Church of God. I respect your opinion about my attitude and I apologize. It’s not you guys, it’s Ted. I’ll keep a watchful eye on Ted. The end of the Proctor is sharp, pointed at Ted. Let’s see what Ted is going to do.
By: Robert on June 23, 2008
at 11:10 pm
Brother Robert, COGinator and Dark Angel is right. Your attitude is not Christ-like and that is what we have to keep to show that we love God. Robert, Ted can’t do a damn thing on Church of God. We all know that he’s just using the “opinion of men”. God is with us Robert and you know that. Let Ted squirm.
By: Poland on June 23, 2008
at 11:14 pm
Robert and Poland,
What part of Ted’s post did you find offensive?
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 12:24 am
Poland,
I do understand what your are saying, however as I understand it, there are assumptions and not facts that you are basing your opion upon.
You asked, “Did Jesus and the Apostles keep the Passover?”
Yes, but keep in mind they kept the Jewish passover since they were all Jewish. At the passover when Jesus was redefining the meaning of bread and wine, the intial intent of all the attedees was to celebrate the Jewish Passover. There were no Gentiles present. So to assume that the message was that everyone is to continue to do as Jesus did (remember Jesus was Jewish) as Jewish Tradition is not accurate.
You also asked, “Did Jesus keep the Sabbath Day?”
Again, Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish tradtions and beliefs, since he had not chaged the playing field. It wasn’t until his crusafixtion that laws were fullfilled by him. That is an important time and clearly the moment in which things changed. So the real question is does Jesus keep the Sabbath now that that he fullfilled the law? I don’t think either one of will know that for sure.
Poland, you said, “Yes, it’s not what you eat but what comes out of your heart makes you unclean.” Was thisi directed towards Robert?
You said, “COGinator, I agree with you. There has been change in the laws and Christ made them perfect. Now if you still wanna insist that it is for Jews then you already know that Jesus examples are for everyone including Gentiles. God bless you COGinator.”
Well, we can agree on something. As far as Jesus’ examples. There are definately two ways to understand it. First way is because Jesus did it then I should do it. And secondly way to understand it is Jesus did it as a Jew, but he clearly spoke of fullfilling the Mosaic Law, so that we aren’t under it any longer. I would also emphasize, that the book of Acts supports more stongly the later.
By: CoGinator on June 24, 2008
at 2:34 am
Dark Angel asked, “Robert and Poland,
What part of Ted’s post did you find offensive?”
Answer: The Truth.
HA HA HA I just had to say it :)
By: CoGinator on June 24, 2008
at 2:38 am
Rev 12:17, Then the dragon (Satan) was enraged at the woman (Mother) & went off to make war against the rest of her offspring-those who obey Gods commandments & hold to the testimony of Jesus.
I agree with brother Elijah. We need to put our attention on people who want to know the TRUTH, not those who come to COG in secret to find faults. While they look at only physical apperances like the teachers of the Law, & Jews 2,000 yrs ago. Use your spiritual eyes & you will see the TRUTH.
Matt 13:15, In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you be ever seeing but never perceving. 15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears & they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with thier eyes & hear with their ears, understand with their hearts & turn, & I would heal them.
16, But blessed are your eyes because they see, & your ears because they hear. 17 For I tell you the TRUTH, many prophets & righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, & to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Their are people out there that are our Brothers & Sisters who have been waiting for use to preach the Gospel of the New Covenant to them. Lets find our 180 million lost Brothers & Sisters. Wipe the dust from your feet & keep moving.
Much Love & God Bless,
Elohim144
By: Elohim144 on June 24, 2008
at 5:15 am
180 million is sure alot of people. You all are practically trying to save the world.
It’s almost as if it’s sales without commission.
I take it you guys have surpassed the 144,000 quota.
Elohim144, good luck on your mission.
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 6:50 am
We don’t need luck, we have faith in Mother & Father’s words & i pray those who are aginst the TRUTH will be apart of the 180 million.
Much Love & God Bless
By: Elohim144 on June 24, 2008
at 9:14 am
Hi all, i’m new here… been reading from top to bottom.. finally arrive here to make comment.
144000 is already plenty.
1 week $5 (just 1 x offering for saturday worship)
5 * 144000 = $720000 turnover per week!!! $$$
dont mess with these guys!
By: fanfan on June 24, 2008
at 9:39 am
Everybody is welcome, visit us at ahnsahnghong.biz/forum
By: rick on June 24, 2008
at 12:05 pm
Elohim144, you said “Use your spiritual eyes & you will see the TRUTH.” As I said before, use spiritual eyes, but don’t put blinders on. I can understand how someone without a strong knowlege of the bible can be taught incorrectly to believe the doctine of the WMSCOG. But don’t feel you have to be a puppet to be accepted. Eventually, if you ask enough questions about the things that don’t make sense, you’ll understand why we don’t feel the WMSCOG is benefiting anyone other than MJ and Joo.
Also, the prophecy in Isaiah, that is quoted in the book of Mathew is about Jesus not the second coming. So while the words seem like they fit your purpose, the meaning is something different. This is a common tactic of the WMSCOG to try and prove their faulted doctrine.
By the way the 180 Million is dollars…not people. :)
By: CoGinator on June 24, 2008
at 2:36 pm
Elohim144, thanks for proving my point to our brothers and sisters in God’s Zion. Let’s not waste time here in this blog, shake off those dust, and move on. Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel, Clark and their followers are trying to trick our brothers and sisters so they could gather information and find faults using men’s opinion. They couldn’t understand God’s will. Lizzie, Poland, Robert, Bright Angel, let’s look at Marcus/Ryan and brofromzion. They know that Ted and his followers are gathering every detail they can get from us. So please stop preaching in this blog and preach to our lost brothers and sisters waiting for the truth of God’s will.
Matthew 10:11-14
11″Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
By: Elijah on June 24, 2008
at 3:19 pm
Ohh Elijah, are you a puss? We have proven you guys to be wrong and we pointed the contradictions of your cult. Ted, Dark Angel, COGinator you guys are the man! Only you guys are brave enough to point out the misinterpretation of the COG. Later and peace.
COG=FAIL!
By: Clark on June 24, 2008
at 3:57 pm
What up Church of God hatahs. Ya all keep messing with mah brothas and sistahs and mah crew? Ya all betta stop before I slap the shit of all of you. Yeah say something and I’ll beat the shit out of ya all, you know what I’m saying nigga. What? Whachu problem Church of God hatahs? If all ya ain’t wanna follow God Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother, then don’t. We ain’t forcing ya all to follow.
To all my brothas and sistahs, we all need to preach to those who are worthy, our lost brothas and sistahs. Let’s all bring them back to Zion of God. The faster our lost brothas and sistahs receive the Seal of God, the quickah we can go to our Heavenly Home with God. God bless ya all.
Church of God’s truth=Won Always!
By: Anti-Enemies of Church of God on June 24, 2008
at 4:49 pm
You guys have seriously lost your minds.
Elijah, the information gathered is all over the internet posted by your “brothers” and “sister” and more so on the proclaim ahnsahnghong message board.
You guys need to hack into that board and delete the posts contradicting your doctrine.
We all know that ahnsahnghong was not persecuted on any level, especially not like jesus.
No one said anything about him being crucified, so that shouldn’t be in the discussion. I just find it odd that members would believe that he was persecuted and suffered.
We are all aware that the videos about him are obviously reenactments based on the stories told of him. Who in their right mind would video tape their own pastor or any pastor, breaking rocks, climbing up mountains, traveling long distances, etc., without asking, WHAT IS THE POINT OF ALL OF THIS?
Why do you want me to video tape you doing all of this stuff?
Also, if he was so poor, why waste more money buying expensive equipment OR paying a camera man to video tape you doing meaningless things? So that notion of him actually being in the video is obviously flawed.
No matter how much you all try to avoid it, you can not hide the holes. You guys have set up blogs and message boards posting your information for everyone to read.
Instead of preaching your word to others, try preaching them to your brother and sisters on the proclaim ahnsahnghong messge board who are making comments that ahnsahnghong was persecuted and how much he suffered (i didn’t say crucified, i said persecuted).
Elohim144, aren’t you a member of that board, then, you should know what I am talking about then.
No, ahnsahnghong was not crucified or persecuted, we knew that.
Anti-enemies of cog, there’s no room for ebonics and “street slang” in heaven.
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 5:35 pm
Poland,
I hope that you are still going to explain the trinity concept before you leave this blog.
Because according to your church’s website, a good analogy of the cog’s concept would be similar to an actor playing three different roles:
“It is similar to when an actor in a monodrama plays three different characters-a father, a son, and a grandson-all having different voices. Although there are three different voices and three different roles, there is only one actor.”
Again, if this analogy is true, how is it possible that ahnsahnghong who played the roles of the “son” and the “holy spirit”, did not know when the end would be, if he also played the role of the “father”?
So now an omniscient Being can forget information that he already knows, only to remember it all again once the role of the character that he is playing, is over?
How can an omniscient Being ignore information that he knows exist?
In other words, how can an omniscient Being choose NOT to know something?
It can not be ignorant because it is omniscient, however, it can “pretend” that it doesn’t know.
So basically, this Being would be in a state of denial, which wouldn’t mean that it doesn’t know all or know of it’s own existence.
If I am using the “opinions of men” to define the characteristics of an all powerful god, then please give me your defintion of what it is “using the bible”.
I can guarentee you will find good examples of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent Being.
Well except for in the garden of Eden where he doesn’t seem to “know all”.
Also, Lizzie, before you leave, I would you that you respond to my post about what ahnsahnghong said in regards to the jesus’ “new name”.
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 5:58 pm
Dark Angel said: “Anti-enemies of cog, there’s no room for ebonics and “street slang” in heaven.”
Dark Angel you racist muthafucker. You have a problem because I’m black? Fuck you Dark Angel. I’ll fucking bust yo head you fucking cunt racist! Say something nigga and I ain’t gonna leave ya alone you piece of shit!
By: Anti-Enemies of Church of God on June 24, 2008
at 6:58 pm
Amazing! Quite a lot of post. Sorry had been researching on my own for a while after having read well through this blog.
Sister Lizzie does not seem to understand that I did not blame the cog for my broken marriage but myself. In the first place I came to know of cog only after my separation with my ex-wife when pastor came knocking on the door looking for lost brothers. I was the target. After my mind was well programmed I visited korea twice and became a deacon and now married again to a korean girl recently.
Sister Lizzie thanks for your prayers anyway. I think I may have to pray for you and our brothers here more because you still need to know the teachings of M.J and Ahn well
I warned you guys not to hang on when you do not have the right answers and instead of recruiting more members to work moe on our existing members who have started so many blogs and wrtie and post B.S images related to our cog. They have been literally making fun of our Gods on their website and have different opinions about our teachings, which today has made the hole so clear for others to prove us as cults
Anti-enemies why must you call them cog-haters. Don’t we do the same with the RC. SO we are also RC-haters. This people only ask us questions and want us to clear their doubts. They do not accuse us as we do preach about mother mary. pope, sabbath. Aren’t these are initial study chapters striking the RC outright more than any our denominations. Looks like you are in mighty hurry to get to zion and whom do you wish to collect and preach the lost brothers and sisters like me? There are plenty out there. Poland. Elijah, robert please stop behaving like kids. How long are we going to make mum cry and wash our toilets?
Well Dark angel, coginator Ted I must admit. It was not the opinion of men but the right spirit working through you. Thanks for the time you have taken to open the eyes. We talk of spiritual eyes but they are still blinded and unable to see the flaw in the doctrine the spritual ears are blocked so we do not hear the true words because we are taught to have faith only in M.J and Father.
As the Lord’s servant, you must not quarrel. You must be kind toward all, a good and patient teacher, who is gentle as you correct your opponents, for it may be that God will give them the opportunity to repent and come to know the truth. And then they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the Devil, who had caught them and made them obey his will. 2 Timothy 2:24-26
Have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness. Instead, expose them for what they are. Ephesians 5:11
To my cog bro/sis Never say anything that isn’t true. Have nothing to do with lies and misleading words. Proverbs 4:24
By: warrior on June 24, 2008
at 7:10 pm
In the book of Matthew, Jesus talks about words and their effect at judgment. You might find it interesting in light of your question. Matt 12: 33-37 Words spoken, whether they are weighed or off guard, will be used against you, so Christians need to be careful how they speak. Also we are warned about many words. Pro. 10:19 Eccl 5:3
Anti-enemies I think you should make a visit to korea and hug mum as this is all she can give to you. I am sure mother will cry for you “poor-mouthing” or the adverse effects it has on you of her teachings. Stop eating the passover and focus well on your bible and commandments. This is what I meant by teaching well the bible to our members. A few minutes back you speak of zion and llook at your point of frustration. And did you ever notice any such abusive language from these guys?
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Ephesians 4:25
By: warrior on June 24, 2008
at 7:29 pm
In the book of Matthew, Jesus talks about words and their effect at judgment. You might find it interesting in light of your question. Matt 12: 33-37 Words spoken, whether they are weighed or off guard, will be used against you, so Christians need to be careful how they speak. Also we are warned about many words. Pro. 10:19 Eccl 5:3
Anti-enemies I think you should make a visit to korea and hug mum as this is all she can give to you. I am sure mother will cry for you “poor-mouthing” or the adverse effects it has on you of her teachings. Stop eating the passover and focus well on your bible and commandments. This is what I meant by teaching well the bible to our members. A few minutes back you speak of zion and llook at your point of frustration. And did you ever notice any such abusive language from Dark angel, Ted, coginator? It is indeed very shameful to degrade our cog in this manner.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Ephesians 4:25
By: warrior on June 24, 2008
at 7:31 pm
Thank you Deacon warrior. That’s why I’m trying to show to our brothers and sisters that what’s happening in this blog is some of our brothers and sisters are starting to be proud and show off how righteous they are. Doesn’t Jesus told us the parable of the lost sheep, leaving the 99 righteous and finding the 1 lost sinner so the sinner can go back with the righteous? God used Ted, COGinator and Dark Angel to open the eyes of our brothers and sisters who are about to go astray, quarreling instead preaching with kindness.
Proverbs 4:13-16
Hold on to instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life. Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men. Avoid it, do not travel on it; turn from it and go on your way. For they cannot sleep till they do evil;
they are robbed of slumber till they make someone fall.
Brothers and Sisters, stop wasting time in this blog please. Let’s please Father and Mother by holding to their instruction for it is our life. God bless you all.
By: Elijah on June 24, 2008
at 7:44 pm
“Dark Angel you racist muthafucker. You have a problem because I’m black? Fuck you Dark Angel. I’ll fucking bust yo head you fucking cunt racist! Say something nigga and I ain’t gonna leave ya alone you piece of shit!”
You need anger management and no I am not racist. You have a foul mouth, clean up your comments.
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 7:49 pm
Yo DA a.k.a. Dark Angel, if ya have a problem with mah accent, den you are a racist DA. I ain’t no need anger management. Niggas like you DA is the reason why segregation of black and white exist. You betta say sorry for your racist comment on mah black accent. Say something stupid DA and you’ll see know what I’m saying.
By: Anti-Enemies of Church of God on June 24, 2008
at 8:19 pm
Bro. Anti-Enemies of Church of God, you need some guidance from your brother. Dark Angel is just assuming about Heaven and you know that. God accepts anyone no matter what your accent is. Just let it go bro. Dark Angel, I apologize for my brother’s action towards you. I know your not a racist and maybe it’s just how he perceive it from you. I hope you understand him. God bless you Dark Angel.
By: brofromzion on June 24, 2008
at 8:26 pm
“In the first place I came to know of cog only after my separation with my ex-wife when pastor came knocking on the door looking for lost brothers. I was the target. After my mind was well programmed I visited korea twice and became a deacon and now married again to a korean girl recently.”
It’s interesting that you joined the COG only after your separation with your wife.
Many people join cults after the loss of a loved one or after a broken relationship. This is not “destiny” or God “chosing you”, it simply means that you are now more emotionally vulnerable to being exploited.
Cults offer a quick and easy sense of love and affection. People, especially young adults, increasingly join cults in order to find a “family”. This new family gives them a sense of belonging that they might otherwise not find in a biological or romantic relationship.
Cults also give a sense of acceptance and self-worth. People who feel, for one reason or another, that they don’t belong in society (or in the church) are especially attracted to cult organisations . They feel alienated, or isolated, and they lack a positive and healthy sense of personal identity. The cult gives them a sense of purpose and belonging.
When I was in the COG, many of my “brothers” were likewise there after suffering a painful breakup with a boyfriend or girlfriend. The COG consoled them and helped them out of their confusion, depression or waywardness.
But the point is, people who come across the COG typically see this event as being “destiny” or “God’s plan”.
The truth is, cult recruiters are always out there, like busy bees, talking and trying to recruit people. Whether or not you connect with them is all down to your emotional psychology and how vulnerable you are at the time. In warriors case, he said “yes” to them, simply because he had broken up with his wife earlier.
Other’s have told me that they said “yes” to the COG, simply because they were adopted children or in a country completely alien to them.
Cults cast nets, and only certain fish jump in. They are not “chosen” or “more holy fish”, but rather they are more vulnerable fish.
By: Ted on June 24, 2008
at 8:30 pm
To Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel, I have visited your website. I understand that you guys are doing this for your family love ones who are a member of our church. They are my spiritual brothers and sisters whether you guys accept it or not. You guys have nothing to worry about them. We at the World Mission Society Church of God keeps brotherly love to everyone, helping each one in need. I understand your opposition on Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem. But if you guys only knew God’s truth, you guys will be proud to your love ones that they are chosen by God to do His will.
By: Elijah on June 24, 2008
at 8:35 pm
Anti-enemy,
I’m not going to apologize to you because YOU want to use curse words and the N-word to express yourself in an angry manor.
For all I know, you could have been hispanic, so I am not commenting because “you are black”.
I never, ever said heaven is not for people of a certain race. However, are you going to go into your heaven and acknowledge your god by saying, “yo yo what’s up my n-word?”
No, you’re not. If you are going to communicate with people, do it in a way where everyone understands and can relate without getting offended.
Thanks.
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 8:36 pm
Ted said:
“Cults offer a quick and easy sense of love and affection. People, especially young adults, increasingly join cults in order to find a “family”. This new family gives them a sense of belonging that they might otherwise not find in a biological or romantic relationship.
Cults also give a sense of acceptance and self-worth. People who feel, for one reason or another, that they don’t belong in society (or in the church) are especially attracted to cult organisations . They feel alienated, or isolated, and they lack a positive and healthy sense of personal identity. The cult gives them a sense of purpose and belonging.”
Ted do you even understand what you are saying here? Basically, your saying that cults are groups that give love no matter what is your background. Then you just said that all other groups out there are cults.
Ted, can you explain to me if the military is a cult or not? My brother joined the Navy because back in high school he is always pick on and he wanted to make a change for himself and be accepted so he told me that he is going to join the Navy and he did. So Ted, is the Navy a cult? Are governments are cults? Are other churches other than Church of God are cults?
You what Ted, evaluating your comment above, I say that you just have hatred on Church of God. You want Church of God not to exist but it’s ok for you if other groups, even the government or other churches exist. What’s up Ted? Why do you hate Church of God? Please answer. Thanks Ted.
By: Bright Angel on June 24, 2008
at 8:52 pm
Brofromzion you said,
“Bro. Anti-Enemies of Church of God, you need some guidance from your brother. Dark Angel is just assuming about Heaven and you know that. God accepts anyone no matter what your accent is.”
Speaking that way is one thing but typing that way you speak and calling it an “accent” is another.
Also, his accent is broken english. Anti-enemy is very capable of speaking proper english. There’s nothing holding he/she back from saying “My” instead of “Mah”.
That’s all.
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 8:58 pm
DA a.k.a. Dark Angel, so what’s the problem with mah accent? Am I not gonna be accepted by God if I’m black? You betta be careful because you don’t know what background I came from. DA do you even know the N word?
Didn’t I said nigga? Nigga is ok because it means what up brotha or what up homie know what I’m saying. But if ya say nigger, then we have a problem. All niggas out der are gonna hunt you know what I’m saying.
DA next time be careful because there are niggas out der that will hunt you for saying the N word incorrectly. Aight DA holla at you lata! Thanks to brofromzion. Later niggas.
By: Anti-Enemies of Church of God on June 24, 2008
at 9:02 pm
Dark Angel and Anti-Enemies of Church of God, it’s best if we just leave it as it is than to keep letting the fire spread all over.
Dark Angel, you must understand that everyone is different so don’t just assume that everyone is what you expected. There’s always gonna be few differences that sometimes it’s pretty hard to explain. Thank you for understanding.
Anti-Enemies of Church of God, please next time try not to also assume that the person talking to you is racist. Your my brother and that’s why I’m concern for you. As your spiritual brother showing brotherly love to you, please apologize to Dark Angel for the harsh words threw at him. Thank you and Father and Mother will be please.
By: brofromzion on June 24, 2008
at 9:10 pm
“Didn’t I said nigga? Nigga is ok because it means what up brotha or what up homie know what I’m saying. But if ya say nigger, then we have a problem. All niggas out der are gonna hunt you know what I’m saying.”
*sigh*.. whatever you say, Anti-enemy. Hopefully one day you won’t find any use for the word. No matter how you want to spell it.
By: Dark Angel on June 24, 2008
at 9:45 pm
Elijah said, “Brothers and Sisters, stop wasting time in this blog please. Let’s please Father and Mother by holding to their instruction for it is our life. God bless you all.”
They are not waisting their time. Actually it’s very useful, they are seeing first hand how the doctrine that the WMSCoG is flawed. The arguement that it’s merely “opinions of men” can be used, but logically it can’t be supported in any way shape or form. Since ASH is a man, and it’s his opinion that is followed it qualifies as “the opinion of men”.
Secondly, it’s not really even ASH’s opinion that is being followed. ASH’s opinion was that the second coming of Jesus’s would be called Jesus. He said it, he wrote about it, and he believed it. It wasn’t until Joo and MJ got a hold of his church after he died that they gave their opinion that ASH should be the Holy Spirit, who came in secret. Nevermind that the Spirit is a non human being. They told you believe or else your not spiritual…they said you have to believe first before you understand, they tell you to worship false idols so the can further line their pocketbooks.
They say use your spiritual eyes but what they mean is “shut up don’t question or you won’t fit into the group”.
I really hope what you get out of being a member of the WMSCoG is worth it. Because worshiping proven false idols and spiting into the face of the real God will ultimately have ramifications. May the Lord have mercy on you.
It’s not too late to repent your sins and ask God for forgiveness. Learn the truth of the Gospels and set yourself free.
By: CoGinator on June 24, 2008
at 9:50 pm
“Ted do you even understand what you are saying here? Basically, your saying that cults are groups that give love no matter what is your background.”
No, I said that a very specific type of person is recruited into cults. Therefore, cults most definitely do not give love “no matter your background”.
Though cult recruiters approach many people, only very vulnerable people accept what the cult is selling. So very specific people are chosen. People with a specific history and emotional psychology.
“Ted, can you explain to me if the military is a cult or not?”
Many cult experts have begun writting about the military. In the US, some claim that groups like the Marines are extremely cultic and exploitative. These are high pressure groups that use brainwashing techniques perfected by the Chinese and Koren army. The levels of spousal abuse, unemployment and homelessness within the Marines is also abnormally high. Something like 88 percent of ex marines fall into this cateogry. So a group like the Marines does “use you” and then “throw you away”. It creates a cult persona, a sort of split personality, specifically for it’s own purposes.
Of course there is no “God” in the marines, but they are a tight family of brothers, and the members are brainwashed into believing that they are “chosen ones”, “more special” and fighting for a higher cause (blind patriotism). Whether you want to call this a “cult” or not is difficult. Most New Age Religious (Moonies, COG etc) use brainwashing techniques perfected by Eastern military bodies. The USA is now starting to use these very same techniques to quickly recruit and cheaply create soldier drones.
“So Ted, is the Navy a cult?”
No. The airforce, navy etc are all low pressure jobs. There is no coercion involved.
The word “cult” is problematic, but when I use it, it refers to a high pressure group that is exploitative, manipulative and concerned with targeting you, lying to you, and changing you pscyhologically to accomplish their own goals.
In the United States, the only branch of the military that I’d deem cultic are the Marines. The way young men are recruited and trained, especially over the past 30 years, is quite barbaric. They’re essentially breeding psychopaths and cultivating psychopathic traits and then throwing these young men away once their terms of service are over.
“Are governments are cults?”
Some. You get cults of personality in which leaders are blindly worshipped and obeyed. This happens a lot in China and all those fascist countries.
“Are other churches other than Church of God are cults?”
Yes, for example another high pressure Korean cult are the UBF which use (at least in the 80s) fairly intense 1 on 1 training programmes to hook their recruits. Then you have the Moonies, Scientology, the TTT Chinese Christian cult who worship a dead guru as God.
“You know what Ted, evaluating your comment above, I say that you just have hatred on Church of God.”
I would say you are wrongly evaluating my comments based on your own prejudices. Consider this definition:
Whistle-blowing: exposure of fraud and abuse. A whistleblower is an employee, former employee, or member of an organization, who reports imorality, or misconduct to people or entities outside or within the organisation. Generally the misconduct is a violation of law, morals, rule and/or regulation.”
If nobody spoke out, unjust practises would always continue. COG members are just regular human beings with the same dreams, hopes and feelings as everyone else. It’s really the unseen leaders of the COG who are at fault and acting immorally. You all are just doing what they tell you to do and beliving what they tell you to believe.
“You want Church of God not to exist but it’s ok for you if other groups, even the government or other churches exist. What’s up Ted? Why do you hate Church of God? Please answer. Thanks Ted.”
No, all immoral groups should be properly challenged, until they are fixed or replaced.
We who have special insight into the COG and how they mislead people are speaking out. We are putting together all our information so that in the future young adults can be warned and helped. Human beings are fagile creatures and it’s unfair that big organisations should prey upon, lie to, and manipulate them, purely for financial profit.
“I’ll keep a watchful eye on Ted. The end of the Proctor is sharp, pointed at Ted. Let’s see what Ted is going to do.”
I assume, Robert, that you’re the same person emailing me all those legal threats. Remember, all false idols hide behind lawyers and courtrooms.
By: Ted on June 24, 2008
at 10:06 pm
Ted said “I assume, Robert, that you’re the same person emailing me all those legal threats. Remember, all false idols hide behind lawyers and courtrooms.”
Ted it’s not me yet. Relax. You haven’t found yourself darkness yet. Once you find yourself having a hard time living, maybe it’s me. Ted, you can’t see Proctor pointing at you and the Ruler measuring you. Everywhere you go, there’s a Grand Lodge of Freemasons. Relax Ted.
By: Robert on June 24, 2008
at 10:36 pm
Brothers and Sisters please. Let’s not waste time preaching in this blog. Ted, COGinator and Dark Angel already made up their mind and that is to make war against God’s Zion. Ted and his followers will fail in the end as prophecied in the Bible.
By: Elijah on June 24, 2008
at 10:38 pm
Bro fro zion you should be concerned not just for anti-enemy but all your bros/sis out there in cog. They do not know what they speak.
You guys are so brainwashed that even simple language ihas become so difficult for you to understand. That’s the same thing what warrior has been telling you. He speaks sense. A part of his mind still seems to be enlightened that he knows what he is really into.
Elijah even you display a lack of understanding. Have you read carefully warrior’s post he ask anti enemy to stop eating passover. He is trying to guide you for making fools of yourself by being a part of cog
If we get to see such reactions from cog members over little clarifications I can imagine the ourcome when they knoiw how they have been deceived and Zion is way off.
Wow M.J and Joo cheol what fruits you bear. Stop playing with these poor souls and enjoying riches at their costs. Bro of zion does mother hear confessions. I think anti enemy needs to visit her. Make sure she wears the hearing aid.
By: jonah on June 24, 2008
at 10:39 pm
Ted said:
It’s interesting that you joined the COG only after your separation with your wife.
Many people join cults after the loss of a loved one or after a broken relationship. This is not “destiny” or God “chosing you”, it simply means that you are now more emotionally vulnerable to being exploited.
You are very right Ted that’s my weakness which made me fall into a ditch each time. It was just after my annulment was through and my bad experiences with the RC church during the process of divorce I fell into the trap of cog. I was made to feel it was God’s call and I was the chosen one.
And I am trying hard to free myself from this B.S work that I have been doing in cog for the past 4 years. I must thank you for showing not only me the truth but also Clark and appreciate your hardwork in trying to save so many others like me. I pray that Jesus christ brings them into light. I thought there was no turning back for me
Thanks Dark angel and coginator too. Looks like you are now under persecution. Remember what Jesus said.”You will be hated for my name sake” Cheer up!In the Name of the Father and of the + Son and of the Holy Spirit
By: warrior on June 24, 2008
at 11:14 pm
To the brotha “Anti-Enimes of churh of God”.
Look bro have you been practicing Mothers Teaching? We need to reavel Mother & Fathers glory by reflecting their attitude to others. Bra, im from the streets as well. But one thing I have learned in the Year 1/2 in COG is only those who have a loving heart (Heart of flesh not stone) may enter the kingdom of God.
Please, as a brother in christ i would encourage you to pray to Father & Mother to help you change before time runs out. I myself have plenty of faults, but atleast try. first step to change is to recognize what the problem is. When you get a chance read 1 Cor 13, the hole chapter.
Eph 5:3-5 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for Gods holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, witch are out of place, but rather thanks giving. For this you can be sure: Noimmoral, impure or greedy person-such a man is an idolater-has any inheratince in the kingdom of Chrits & of God.
Much Love &God Bless
Elohim 144
By: Elohim144 on June 24, 2008
at 11:58 pm
Elijah said, “Ted, COGinator and Dark Angel already made up their mind and that is to make war against God’s Zion.”
Actually we haven’t made up our mind, but the teaching in the bible has done it for us. Clearly the glasses (CoG) in which you gain your understandng of the scriptures are not the correct persription and cause you misunderstand the true intent. It’s much easier to accpet the teaching of the CoG than it is to set out on your own quest and learn the truth. I challenge all of you to take the harder road and study what the RC (ie. Real Church) has to say about the concepts and doctrines that you find yourself in the minority about. Do fall prey to random scripture that seem like they are talking to you….when in reality are being used to manipulate you. Be stronger than the collective group and return to your own thinking. If you’ve ever questioned and wondered what are you doing…now is the time to explore that opportunity. Feel free to PM on the http://ahnsahnghong.biz/forum site. I’m more than willing to do one on one discussions to help you.
God Bless,
CoGinator
By: CoGinator on June 25, 2008
at 3:09 am
COGinator said “Actually we haven’t made up our mind, but the teaching in the bible has done it for us. Clearly the glasses (CoG) in which you gain your understandng of the scriptures are not the correct persription and cause you misunderstand the true intent. It’s much easier to accpet the teaching of the CoG than it is to set out on your own quest and learn the truth. I challenge all of you to take the harder road and study what the RC (ie. Real Church) has to say about the concepts and doctrines that you find yourself in the minority about. Do fall prey to random scripture that seem like they are talking to you….when in reality are being used to manipulate you. Be stronger than the collective group and return to your own thinking. If you’ve ever questioned and wondered what are you doing…now is the time to explore that opportunity.”
COGinator, you guys haven’t prove that the Church of God World Mission Society is not God’s Zion. You guys keep using the ‘opinion of men’ but spiritually you guys can’t understand God’s will. No matter how much we try to show you guys the truth, it’s not meant for you guys and I’m sorry for you COGinator.
To all my brothers and sisters, again we don’t have time for guys like Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel and Clark that all they do ALL DAY is find faults on God’s words. Let’s analyze this. Have the Church of God haters have proven that Christ Ahnsahnghong is not the Second Coming Christ? No. Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, the One who brought back Jesus Passover that gives eternal life when the Fig Tree’s twigs got tender, the Root of David, the One who came in the Order of Melchizedek and many more. Why should we keep throwing our pearls from God to pigs like Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel and Clark?
Matthew 10:19-22
19But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
21″Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Brothers and Sister, only those who hold firm and keep God’s words will be save. Let’s continue to preach the good news of salvation, not in this blog, but to our lost brothers and sisters. God bless you all.
By: Elijah on June 25, 2008
at 3:58 pm
Elijah,
I’ve been using the opinions of other cog members. Do you disagree with their comments in regards to ahnsahnghong being persecuted and that he suffered?
I’ve also used an excerpt from one of ahnsahnghong’s books. Is that an opinion of man too? I would say yes, but I want your…”opinion”.
Also, please define the term “opinions of men”.
By: Dark Angel on June 25, 2008
at 4:46 pm
Dark Angel said “I’ve been using the opinions of other cog members.”
Aha. Dark Angel, you are using the opinion of men. You don’t know God’s will or perhaps you have heard it but you don’t wanna accept it. It’s not meant for you Dark Angel.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Dark Angel, God’s words is weighter than ‘your opinion’. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ because He fulfilled all the prophecies in the Bible for the Second Coming Christ. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Holy Spirit, the Root of David. I don’t have time for you Dark Angel. God bless you.
By: Elijah on June 25, 2008
at 5:36 pm
Well Elijah,
Perhaps you should preach to your fellow brothers and sisters who said those things. They obviously were not my words and many have used the bible to make their comment valid.
Clearly, many of you are confused with your own doctrine or else there wouldn’t have been comments made by other members about him being persecuted or that he suffered.
You say your doctrine is not meant for me but, if I were to accept it, then, it would be for me.
So the comment about your doctrine not being for me makes no sense what so ever.
When ahnsahnghong talks about constantine “abolishing” the passover in 325 AD.
Where did he get that information from? Where is this information written and who wrote it?
It’s obvious ahnsahnghong isn’t a genius, so where did that information come from?
Elijah, when you can explain what ahnsahnghong meant from the excerpt in chapter 12, then I’ll start to consider if you are really worth MY time.
The thought of someone explaining what their god meant shows his lack of divinity and wisdom as a god.
So go and ask a pastor or deacon, let’s hear their “opinion”.
You all believe one of his many abilities were to explain the “mysteries of the bible”, yet his own words need further explaination.
Explain the trinity concept that I meantioned a few posts above. That explaination was set for Poland, but it would be best if you were to explain it instead.
By: Dark Angel on June 25, 2008
at 6:06 pm
You realise the irony of a man saying he is right solely because he is God?
Consider this…
Ted: I am God.
Coginator: That is crazy! Prove it!
Ted: I am God because the Bible proves it!
Coginator: The Bible does not say that!
Ted: Because I am God, only I can interpret the Bible!
Coginator: So you are God because you say the Bible says you are God and only you can interpret what the Bible says?
Ted: Yes. Worship me and give me your money.
Coginator: *walks away*
The fact is, the Bible has nothing to do with Ahnsahnghong. The “opinion of men” defence is the last line of defence for all cults. They’re basically saying “we cannot counter your points, we just believe our God because you are evil and you are evil because our God tells us so”. It’s a closed loop. Another attempt at thought stopping.
By: Ted on June 25, 2008
at 10:30 pm
Ted said “The fact is, the Bible has nothing to do with Ahnsahnghong. The “opinion of men” defence is the last line of defence for all cults. They’re basically saying “we cannot counter your points, we just believe our God because you are evil and you are evil because our God tells us so”. It’s a closed loop. Another attempt at thought stopping.”
Ted, you smart-ass opinion has nothing to do with the prophecies in the Bible. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the One who FULFILLED ALL THE PROPHECIES IN THE BIBLE. You can’t change that Ted. Keep trying. Christ Ahnsahnghong, the One who brought back Jesus Passover that gives eternal life just as Jesus promised when the Fig Tree blooms again, the Root of David, who came in the Order of Melchizedek. Your really wasting my time Ted. I’ll keep praying for you. God bless you Ted.
By: Elijah on June 25, 2008
at 10:43 pm
Brother Elijah, your absolutely right. Preaching in this blog is a waste of time. Ted the Erratic Cheese and his followers are using the “opinion of men” to criticise the Word of God. They don’t understand God’s will. We follow Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Root of David and the only One who can bring God’s will that was hidden in scrolls of the Bible.
Revelations 5:2-5 ‘And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “WHO IS WORTHY TO BREAK THE SEALS AND OPEN THE SCROLL?” BUT NO ONE IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH COULD OPEN THE SCROLL OR EVEN LOOK INSIDE IT. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the ROOT OF DAVID, has triumphed. HE IS ABLE TO OPEN THE SCROLL AND IT’S SEVEN SEALS.”
The reason why Ted and his followers couldn’t understand God’s will is because they don’t believe in Ahnsahnghong. Funny how Ted try to use the bible scholars to interpret God’s words. Ted, I’ll be watching you with the eagle’s eyes. I’ll eventually find you and the Proctor is very sharp to make your life miserable. Don’t let me find you Ted.
By: Robert on June 25, 2008
at 10:53 pm
Bro. Robert, I say we leave Ted alone. Just let him fall in his own trap. He’ll realize it in the end.
Matthew 7:21-26
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
24″Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Brothers and Sisters of Church of God, let’s keep putting God’s words into practice so that our foundation will be kept strong until we make the eternal change and return home with God. God bless you all.
By: Elijah on June 25, 2008
at 10:59 pm
Bro. Elijah and Robert, what are you guys still doing in this blog? Let’s go where we need to preach, not in this blog, but to those places where we have lost brothers and sisters. Let Ted, Dark Angel, COGinator, Clark and Jaime celebrate in this prison. I can’t wait to return to our Father and Mother’s Heavenly Home.
By: brofromzion on June 25, 2008
at 11:06 pm
Elijah, you said, “COGinator, you guys haven’t prove that the Church of God World Mission Society is not God’s Zion. You guys keep using the ‘opinion of men’ but spiritually you guys can’t understand God’s will. No matter how much we try to show you guys the truth, it’s not meant for you guys and I’m sorry for you COGinator.”
Nor have you proven that it is. I have to admit I hate the defensive comment of ‘opinion of men’ when interpretations from all sides are ‘opinion of men’. Please, put that comment to rest as it really makes you sound like a broken Fembot from the Austin Powers movies.
In response to your other comments:
You said, “…again we don’t have time for guys like Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel and Clark that all they do ALL DAY is find faults on God’s words.”
Why not…didn’t, we are making time for you. You seem important enough to share the the real understanding of the Gospel. Are we not that important.
You said, “Let’s analyze this. Have the Church of God haters have proven that Christ Ahnsahnghong is not the Second Coming Christ? No. Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, the One who brought back Jesus Passover that gives eternal life when the Fig Tree’s twigs got tender, the Root of David, the One who came in the Order of Melchizedek and many more.”
First of all don’t call us haters, just because we don’t agree with the doctrine. That doesn’t imply hatred. That is taught to you to try an create an us/them mentality. I’m sure Ted could talk more about the psychology of the cult mind as to why that is taught to you.
Secondly, we have clearly proven that Ahnsahnghong is not the second coming.
a. he never claimed it.
b. he wrote in his book that the second coming would be no other name than Jesus.
c. he is burreid in the ground in korea
d. his lifestyle was not that of a God…ie multimple wives/lovers
e. he inaccurately predicted the end of the world not once, but twice.
f. he has never performed any miracles
g. his name is not in the bible.
Elijah you said, “Why should we keep throwing our pearls from God to pigs like Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel and Clark?”
Pigs…is that how the WMSCOG teaches you talk to your brothers and sisters? Have you no respect for all mindkind? I find that very much going against the very thing Jesus said was the most important things to adhere to. What you call pearls are pearls, but you’ve managed to tarnish them in fecal matter. We are simply trying to clean off the sludge that you added.”.
God bless you!
By: CoGinator on June 25, 2008
at 11:14 pm
“Christ Ahnsahnghong is the One who FULFILLED ALL THE PROPHECIES IN THE BIBLE.”
No, there are no prophecies relating to Ahnsahnghong. Again it’s simply the case of a cult leader inserting himself into the Bible by claiming he fullfilled prophecies that he himself created.
“Ted and his followers are using the “opinion of men” to criticise the Word of God.”
The “opinion of men” defence is the last line of defence of all cults. You’re basically saying that your religion makes no sense. You can’t claim to be God by saying that the prophecies which prove you to be God are truthful simply because you are God. That’s silly.
“Ted, I’ll be watching you with the eagle’s eyes. I’ll eventually find you and the Proctor is very sharp to make your life miserable. Don’t let me find you Ted.”
Would you like my address? Maybe you can set my house on fire and beat up my children as well? I’m sure you’d really like that. God’s “chosen few” indeed.
You said:
“Matthew 7:21-26: ″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
You do understand that Mathew is hinting that the Jewish Rabbis who denounced Christ will not enter heaven because they don’t acknowledge the name Jesus? The Jews commonly “cast out demons” and “performed miracles” in the name of Yahweh.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Ahnsahnghong. All cults play with timelines to insert their Gods into the Bible.
By: Ted on June 25, 2008
at 11:37 pm
Elijah, you said, “Dark Angel, God’s words is weighter than ‘your opinion’. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ because He fulfilled all the prophecies in the Bible for the Second Coming Christ. Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Holy Spirit, the Root of David. I don’t have time for you Dark Angel. God bless you.”
If you are going to rely on the defense that ASH is the 2nd coming because he fulfilled man interpreted prophecies, then I guess you better be prepared to worship many…for I too have fulfilled the prophecies as you definded them for ASH. Does that make me the Second coming too?
By: CoGinator on June 25, 2008
at 11:48 pm
Elijah, you said, “Your really wasting my time Ted”.
Let’s take responsibility here Elijah…you came here on your own accord. You chose to enter a dialog here. Don’t pass the buck to Ted or anyone else. You made choices in life, that have landed you here. Take responsiblity. You choose to enter the Cult… and you can choose to exit it.
I can sense from your frustration that you want to to prove the thoughts that have been placed in your head to be true and when they don’t add up frustration increases. You start to resort to name calling and justifing that others can see it because they aren’t choosen to. I know you know that’s not true.
Your frustration is because things aren’t adding up and you are getting confused. That’s normal when you are starting the see the farce that you’ve been rooked into. You can be brave and you can make the decsion to leave the group think and enter into the life of using your own mind to make decsicons and undertand concpets. I’m here for you if you need someone to pray with!
By: CoGinator on June 26, 2008
at 12:04 am
Brothers & Sisters, it is pointless to argue with these people. Stop it! Let them see for them selves what is gonna happen. Wipe the dust from your feet & keep moving. Their only fullfilling Bible prophecy by waging war against Mother & her children (Rev 12:17). We know we keep Gods Commands & if they can’t see that, then it was never ment for them to see.
Only those who dwell in ZION (keep Gods feast’s) can be forgiven of sin. We need to hit the streets & proclaim the gospel to the people in our local areas. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH COWARDS THAT HIDE IN OUR CHURCH & ON THE COMPUTER, WAITING TO FIND SO CALLED DEFFECTS. ELOHIM WILL DEAL WITH THEM WHEN THE TIME COMES.
The TRUTH was hidden from them for a reason. Know is the time to wake up from the sleep of death & blow our trumpets in the city streets loud.Tru children (Soldiers) of God, its time to sharpen our swords.
Much Love & God Bless
Elohim 144
By: Elohim144 on June 26, 2008
at 11:42 am
I hope one you guys run into me in person and try to preach your doctrine.
I’ll ask you the same questions that I’ve been asking you all on here.
There will be no way to avoid answering it then.
By: Dark Angel on June 26, 2008
at 12:20 pm
So ultimately cog=fail
No answers available. Even your pastors and deacons could not help you right. Accept that you are a part of the cult. We can already see what is going to happen Elohim. There is going to be a lack of pschiatrist to treat the brainwashed cog members
Elohim says:
DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH COWARDS THAT HIDE IN OUR CHURCH & ON THE COMPUTER, WAITING TO FIND SO CALLED DEFFECTS. ELOHIM WILL DEAL WITH THEM WHEN THE TIME COMES.
The very fact your God was unable to inspire to face us with the right answers that you now sound very coward asking the rest to leave as you always have been doing.I think it was your very God that hid in the cave and tampered with the bible, make you set up as many blog on the computer wating to trap the poor souls with your defective doctrine.
Wherever you keep moving there shall we be
Have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness. Instead, expose them for what they are. Ephesians 5:11
God in his mercy has given us this work to do, and so we do not become discouraged. We put aside all secret and shameful deeds; we do not act with deceit, nor do we falsify the word of God. In the full light of truth we live in God’s sight and try to commend ourselves to everyone’s good conscience. For if the gospel we preach is hidden, it is hidden only from those who are being lost. 2Corinthians 4:1-3
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of fools is deception.
Proverbs 14:8
By: Jose on June 26, 2008
at 12:45 pm
Hi..
I haven’t been posting for a lil while (2-3 days). I just read all the posts I have missed. VERY Interesting is all I have to say!!
First of all I have no clue who this new character is the “brutha from Zion”. I know that I shouldn’t take sides and all, but DA has way better manners than you! I mean your nettiquette SUX!
We have been coming here to “DEBATE” our beliefs not to threaten eachother with how we are gonna beat eachother to a pulp.
I am sorry to say Father & Mother will be very disappointed w you.
I shouldn’t judge is the teachings of God, but dude seriously someone has to stop you now!
I agree w DA in his posts to you! I can’t believe I just said that!!!!
I have been coming here for a while now and not once did DA or GoGinator or any non-believer, for that matter, ever need to use any curse words to prove their points. I seriously don’t care if you’re black or white… we are all supposed to be the same color inside. It’s not about racismt guy! You really make yourself sound bad.
Wow!! I don’t even want to quote any verses tonite.. I am just astonished at this guys mannerism. May Father & Mother help you, cause you truly don’t have the patience thing down packed.
My God is that what Mother taught you? Are those the teachings of Jesus? Checkc yourself b4 posting anything like that. I dont care if you are a CoG member or a non-believer in disguise, you need to cool down and seriously go to anger management classes.
I pray for you!
God Bless You all tonight!!
~~Lizzie
By: Lizzie on June 26, 2008
at 3:36 pm
Thank you Bro. Elohim144. What Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel, and those who persecute us verbally is to make war against Mother and her children. Guys like Ted and his followers are fulfilling the prophecy in the Bible. Let Father and Mother take care of them when that day comes.
Psalms 31:1-40
1 [a] Do not fret because of evil men
or be envious of those who do wrong;
2 for like the grass they will soon wither,
like green plants they will soon die away.
3 Trust in the LORD and do good;
dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
4 Delight yourself in the LORD
and he will give you the desires of your heart.
5 Commit your way to the LORD;
trust in him and he will do this:
6 He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn,
the justice of your cause like the noonday sun.
7 Be still before the LORD and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when men succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.
8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil.
9 For evil men will be cut off,
but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.
10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
11 But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy great peace.
12 The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;
13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.
14 The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.
16 Better the little that the righteous have
than the wealth of many wicked;
17 for the power of the wicked will be broken,
but the LORD upholds the righteous.
18 The days of the blameless are known to the LORD,
and their inheritance will endure forever.
19 In times of disaster they will not wither;
in days of famine they will enjoy plenty.
20 But the wicked will perish:
The LORD’s enemies will be like the beauty of the fields,
they will vanish—vanish like smoke.
21 The wicked borrow and do not repay,
but the righteous give generously;
22 those the LORD blesses will inherit the land,
but those he curses will be cut off.
23 If the LORD delights in a man’s way,
he makes his steps firm;
24 though he stumble, he will not fall,
for the LORD upholds him with his hand.
25 I was young and now I am old,
yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken
or their children begging bread.
26 They are always generous and lend freely;
their children will be blessed.
27 Turn from evil and do good;
then you will dwell in the land forever.
28 For the LORD loves the just
and will not forsake his faithful ones.
They will be protected forever,
but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;
29 the righteous will inherit the land
and dwell in it forever.
30 The mouth of the righteous man utters wisdom,
and his tongue speaks what is just.
31 The law of his God is in his heart;
his feet do not slip.
32 The wicked lie in wait for the righteous,
seeking their very lives;
33 but the LORD will not leave them in their power
or let them be condemned when brought to trial.
34 Wait for the LORD
and keep his way.
He will exalt you to inherit the land;
when the wicked are cut off, you will see it.
35 I have seen a wicked and ruthless man
flourishing like a green tree in its native soil,
36 but he soon passed away and was no more;
though I looked for him, he could not be found.
37 Consider the blameless, observe the upright;
there is a future [b] for the man of peace.
38 But all sinners will be destroyed;
the future [c] of the wicked will be cut off.
39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the LORD;
he is their stronghold in time of trouble.
40 The LORD helps them and delivers them;
he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
because they take refuge in him.
God bless you all.
By: Elijah on June 26, 2008
at 3:41 pm
Brother Elijah, you are cutting the throats of Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel and those hate us. They will fulfill these words from the Bible if they don’t keep God’s will. They are the wicked that is talked in verse 7:
7 Be still before the LORD and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when men succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.
Thank you Brother Elijah for the enlightment. Let’s keep doing God’s will and showing our love to Him by keeping His commandments.
By: Robert on June 26, 2008
at 4:04 pm
BTW..
I truly don’t believe TED has any followers, but just non-believers who are also trying to so call–open our eyes and help us see we are in a cult.
So, stop saying he has followers… None of the non-believers here have “followers” just others who AGREE with what they are saying. Only Christ had followers. Geez!!
All you guys are pathetic. I cant believe the BS I am reading tonite. I even feel like cheering on the other side tonite. (>_<)
If Father really came today, he would flip!! Alot of us would have alot of explaining to do with that attitude. I am not saying I am perfect, I am far from that! I am just as bad a sinner as ALL on this blog. If we weren’t a sinner we would be in heaven! But yet we are here on this crummy prison we like to call earth. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out!
Once again.. May God Elohim Bless You All
~~Lizzie
I will pray to all my brothers and sisters tonite, even the non-believers!
By: Lizzie on June 26, 2008
at 4:08 pm
Ted said “Would you like my address? Maybe you can set my house on fire and beat up my children as well? I’m sure you’d really like that. God’s “chosen few” indeed.”
Ted, if I do that I would be in jail and it’s good for my side. That’s not what I meant if you didn’t understand it. I can assure you though that every Freemason out there will give you a hard time. You’ll find your life starting to be miserable. But when Brother Elijah posted his comment above, I say let God take care of you when time comes. I know you won’t be able to handle if the Proctor points at you. God bless you Ted.
By: Robert on June 26, 2008
at 4:12 pm
Sister Lizzie has a point. We also need to be careful on our actions because it’s an impression to others. If we say bad words, that reflects our image. If we are the children of God, let’s start to be one. That’s why I told Anti-Enemy that his words not only shows his own but the rest of our brothers and sisters. Actually, except for Ted, COGinator and Dark Angel have done a great job on the way the use words. They didn’t spoke bad and cursing words. COGinator only said ‘bozofromzion’ which is a joke but not like Brother Anti-Enemy using the ‘F’ word. That’s sad. Father and Mother will not be please. I hope this is a lesson learned for all our brothers and sisters in God’s Zion. God bless you all members and non-members of Church of God.
By: brofromzion on June 26, 2008
at 4:29 pm
Isn’t this sweet…we are all getting along so well.
I think I’m getting a bit verklempt.
It’s a shame that all the CoG members understand the psalms so well, and yet can’t understand the truth behind the 2nd coming and who ASH is (or rather isn’t). How can the blinders be put up so easily when he himself clearly said that the second coming name would be Jesus?
See Psalm 31:40
By: CoGinator on June 26, 2008
at 9:16 pm
Robert: “I can assure you though that every Freemason out there will give you a hard time. You’ll find your life starting to be miserable.”
Why am I not surprised that you believe in Freemason conspiracies too…
Anyway, the point of this message board is to discuss the COG’s doctrines, but that’s difficult when you all keep changing the topic or pasting tangential verses.
Each discussion boils down to the COG either:
1. Running away from the argument.
2. Changing the topic.
3. Unable to rebute contesting points and simply hiding behind the “those are the interpretations of men” defence.
So essentially, you are right simply because “you have the word of God” and “we have the word of men”, which is another way of saying “there is no solid proof for what we believe”.
You have no truth, you simply have blind faith, just like every other religion. The difference is that in all these New Age Cults, the “truth” is so small and simplistic (in order to be quickly conveyed so that many people may be recruited efficiently), that the “faith” has compensate by being extremely strong and extremist. Thats why cults rely so much on coercive techniques and thought stopping practises.
“We have been coming here to “DEBATE” our beliefs not to threaten eachother with how we are gonna beat eachother to a pulp.”
But all you folk do are threaten and cause havok. I’m constantly emailed rude threats, from both regular COC members and those claiming to be “COG lawyers”. Not to mention the countless hacking the COG do. Are the COG head chiefs back in Korea paying for expert hackers or is this simply the work of a small group of really passionate Ahnsahnghong believers?
Robert: “I know you won’t be able to handle if the Proctor points at you. God bless you Ted.”
Don’t be a hypocrite. You can’t wish someone dead then say “God bless you”.
“Ted and his followers are using the “opinion of men” to criticise the Word of God.”
You understand the paradox here? You can’t claim to be God by saying that the prophecies which prove you to be God are truthful simply because you are God. Anyone can do that.
By: Ted on June 26, 2008
at 10:45 pm
Ted and COGinator, you guys make me laugh. The fact that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophecies in the Bible of the Second Coming Christ which you guys couldn’t prove to be ‘false and wrong’.
Ted said “You understand the paradox here? You can’t claim to be God by saying that the prophecies which prove you to be God are truthful simply because you are God. Anyone can do that.”
Ted, what don’t you be the Second Christ, be baptize at 30 and preach for 37 years. Ooopppsss! Too late the Fig Tree already blooms and only Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled that. Sorry Ted, your are a false Christ.
By: Elijah on June 26, 2008
at 10:58 pm
By the way Ted, only the Bible can testify. For example, the Bible prophecied about the coming of God in flesh. Only Jesus fulfilled that and that’s why He is God. Jehovah used the prophets to testify the coming of the Christ. Ted, I can show you every single prophecies Jesus fulfilled but why waste time since you hate Church of God?
John 5:30-32
30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
31″If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. 32There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.
God the Father Jehovah testified about the coming of Jesus using the prophets. Same thing about Christ Ahnsahnghong, Jesus and the Apostles testified about Him. Christ Ahnsahnghong, the One who open the way to Tree of Life, the Root of David. Your sorry Ted. Stop using the opinion of men and follow God’s will.
By: Elijah on June 26, 2008
at 11:10 pm
“Ted, I can show you every single prophecies Jesus fulfilled but why waste time since you hate Church of God?”
Go ahead. List all the prophecies Jesus fullfilled and list then all the prophecies Ahnsahnghong fullfilled. Tell me if you notice anything funny.
By: Ted on June 26, 2008
at 11:49 pm
Elijah said, “Ted and COGinator, you guys make me laugh. The fact that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophecies in the Bible of the Second Coming Christ which you guys couldn’t prove to be ‘false and wrong’.”
How dense can one be? We’ve clearly proven that that which the WMSCOG teaches contradicts that of what was written (as in proof) by Ahnsahnghong. ASH testified indirectly that he is not the second coming and directly testified that the second coming will be in the name of ‘JESUS’ and only the name of Jesus.
So anyone who claims to follow ASH because that is what is taught to you by the WMSCOG, but doesn’t follow what ASH has taught is in complete hypocrisy or denial. Which are you in?
It can’t be both ways.
The house of cards has fallen!
Repent now for your sins before it’s too late.
By: CoGinator on June 27, 2008
at 1:50 am
Secondly, Ahnsahnghong inaccurately predicted the end of the world…TWICE.
So, in old times if a prophet was not correct, I believe the punishment was death. This could explain why ASH died of a brain aneurism.
By: CoGinator on June 27, 2008
at 2:10 am
Hi everyone. I still see you guys are arguing about what is the truth. I don’t wanna take sides but I only believe the Jesus Christ is the only way.
To Elijah, you said Ahnsahnghong is the Root of David. I have never read his name in the Bible. However, the Bible clearly said that Jesus is the root of David as He claimed it.
Revelations 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Elijah only Jesus Christ is the Root of David. It’s black and white in the Bible.
Also COGinator have a point. Ahnsahnghong said only Jesus is the savior and no one else, not even him. That’s pretty clear.
By: Frank on June 27, 2008
at 6:10 pm
Cult of Greed with a God that speaks one language and can show us no proof of divinity. It preys upon the weak and naive. It sells fear.
In the Bloomingdale, IL chapter they are baptizing children without the parents knowledge while the parents are off performing various duties and cleaning the church like good little brainwashed sheep.
My nephews, 9 and 14 were surrounded by a group of members and the churchs pastor and pressured into being baptized while the parent was elsewhere in the church… the kids couldn’t refuse the pressure of course… they were even told they would be condemned if they didn’t come to church every week now… madness & brainwashing.
What would Jesus do?
By: Rebecca on June 28, 2008
at 9:58 pm
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/w/world-mission-society-church-of-god/#critical-links
LOLAGE.
By: LOLISTICISM on June 30, 2008
at 6:36 pm
It’s been a whole weekend and only 3-4 posts… I AM SHOCKED!
I just past by to see how it was going in the non-believer website. There is nothing to debate, for now. I will have to wait until something interesting comes about. I hope COGinator or DA post something soon. They are my fave to debate w here. Well the smartest. What happened to Poland? Anyhow, I will most def get back to you guys later.
I am glad to see that there isnt anymore foul language =) I am so proud of you guys!!
Anywho… please post something interesting!
~~Lizzie
By: Lizzie on July 1, 2008
at 5:22 am
Hi Lizzie,
Please visit the new cult watch message board. COGinator and the rest of us have been posting there.
You don’t have to post anything if you do not want to, but atleast read the information that’s posted.
http://ahnsahnghong.biz/forum/
I’m not sure if Poland and the rest of those guys will respond to my questions, but i usually check in to see if they have.
Hope to see you at the new cult watch forum. There is a COG member there as well, perhaps you can assist him? Either way, there is useful information there.
thanks.
By: Dark Angel on July 1, 2008
at 1:07 pm
Lizzie, there is also the:
http://brendoman.com/wardwords/2005/11/21/cult
site that we visit from time to time…infact I replied to Poland there. I’d be curious to here your take the subject.
I think most of the WMSCoG members don’t think we are worth trying to save any longer because we aren’t chosen to see. Doesn’t sound like the teaching from the Jesus I know…but then again, not much of what WMSCoG teaches sounds like it’s from Jesus.
By: CoGinator on July 1, 2008
at 1:40 pm
COGinator said “I think most of the WMSCoG members don’t think we are worth trying to save any longer because we aren’t chosen to see. Doesn’t sound like the teaching from the Jesus I know…but then again, not much of what WMSCoG teaches sounds like it’s from Jesus.”
I really feel sorry for you COGinator. Even if I show you the truth of God’s will, you won’t understand it.
Matthew 10:11-14
11″Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
COGinator, this is what Jesus and the Apostles’ example of preaching the good news of God’s will. Clearly COGinator, you don’t understand this. I’ll just keep praying for you and your buddies Ted, Dark Angel and those who criticize Church of God. God bless you all.
By: Elijah on July 1, 2008
at 3:00 pm
Lizzie, its brother Ryan/Marcus here. I have been reading all of the posts.
Do not fall into the trap of the false prophets. Obviously they are not understanding the simplest of prophecies.
They want to know why Christ Ahnsahnghong said that the name of the savior in the last days would be Jesus. Of course I can answer this for them, but would it satisfy them?
Their intention of asking questions is to figure out more ways they can manipulate the truth of the Bible. The Root of David has revealed all the precious truth that has been hidden for ages.
Now the scoundrels want to know it and trample on it. Do not give it to them. Let them accuse us of believing in fairy tales.
Matthew 10:23 — When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Mark 6:11 — And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them.”
Let us listen to the words of our Father.
Brothers and Sisters, let us find our lost family members quickly and make Mother the praise of the earth!!
By: marcus on July 1, 2008
at 3:13 pm
Marcus said,
“They want to know why Christ Ahnsahnghong said that the name of the savior in the last days would be Jesus. Of course I can answer this for them, but would it satisfy them?”
Marcus, you have already given your answer, which didn’t make sense then, so why would it answer make sense now?
The point is, you guys have a study on the “new name” which points to ahnsahnghong being this “new name”.
However, when ahnsahnghong was alive, his name was not mentioned as the “new name”. He personally did not reveal this information. For he had, then it would have been a declaration of himself claiming to be a god.
So basically, this study of the “new name” that points to ahnsahnghong, did not exist.
If it did not exist, then, who did ahnsahnghong say the “new name” of jesus would be?
You might say that he told everyone not to use his name until after his death and that his name did not go into “effect” until after he died, because jesus’ (“age of the son”) name was still in effect.
I believe you mentioned that in your answer some time ago. If he did mention that to his congregation, then yes, that is considered claiming to be a god if you are telling people to pray in your name.
Marcus, go find your lost billion or trillion and good luck doing so.
By: Dark Angel on July 1, 2008
at 4:15 pm
Elijah said, “Brothers and Sisters, let us find our lost family members quickly and make Mother the praise of the earth!!”
Elijah, everyone on Earth would have to agree that she is a god in order for her to be the “praise of the Earth”.
Good luck with that.
By: Dark Angel on July 1, 2008
at 4:21 pm
Thank you Brother marcus. That’s what I told our Brothers and Sisters on my comment above and it seems that they are listening to Father’s words. Ted, COGinator, Dark Angel and the rest of their company our gathering all the information from Church of God and it’s teachings to find faults and use it against us. I told our Brothers and Sisters what Father promised us in the whole chapter of Psalms 31. I agree with you Brother marcus. If they think that we preach a fairy tale then let them believe that. We clearly preach the truth of God’s will.
By: Elijah on July 1, 2008
at 4:24 pm
The information will always be here for people to compare. Well, until you guys hack other message boards and delete all of the information.
Other than that, let your information be known, as well as ours, for the people and just leave it at that.
No hacking into websites and message boards, Marcus. (if that’s you)
By: Dark Angel on July 1, 2008
at 4:38 pm
Dark Angel said “Other than that, let your information be known, as well as ours, for the people and just leave it at that.”
Dark Angel, our information is the truth of God’s will. It is very precious and it is not to be given to scoundrels like you. You wanna trample on it huh Dark Angel. Your not gonna get everything if you don’t follow Father’s guidance. Only Father Ahnsahnghong can reveal it to you because He is the Root of David.
As for your information Dark Angel, it is just a mere opinion of men and it doesn’t interest me at all. You Dark Angel, Ted, COGinator have so much hatred on Church of God. You guys need to stop before it’s too late. Dark Angel, please don’t loose your salvation given by God.
By: Elijah on July 1, 2008
at 7:05 pm
“Dark Angel, our information is the truth of God’s will. It is very precious and it is not to be given to scoundrels like you.”
Cult’s operate below the radar and always in the shadows. They don’t like the world knowing that “god is here”. In fact, if a recruit asks the cult recruiters who they worship, the cult member will just smile and change the topic. This information can only be told once the recruit is properly prepared for indoctrination.
Instead they lure young adults in with promises of “truth” and “mysteries”. The new recruit feels enticed. They feel chosen or special. What could this mystery be? What is this secret? Let me go and find out.
The cult then proceeds to tantalize the recruit, offering little glimpses at the “secret”. Gradually the “secrets” become more and more illogical, until the recruit is completely brainwashed.
I remember one recruit, a young man, entered a COG church and looked up a picture of Mother and Ahnsahnghong. Who is that? he asked. His recruiter just smiled. Do not worry, I will teach you in another lesson. But I want to know now, he said. The COG deacon just smiled. We will study it when you are ready.
Cults can not proudly state the name of their God, because this destroys the mystery and the “step by step” indoctrination process. For a recruit to believe in the cult God, a very systematic brainwashing process has to be followed. It’s a series of gradual little steps.
Notice in public statements, high ranking COG board members never claim to follow a female or Korean God. Instead they say they are the only church to obey the Sabbah, or that they are the only church to obey the passover…never that they are the only church to have the one true Mother God as their living leader.
If the COG were to claim to have God, then people would turn up their noses. The “secret” would be out, and recruits wouldn’t fall for the trap.
It works this way…
Unknown Secret: recruit eagerly soak up and believe information, hoping for the final revelation of the mystery.
Known Secret: recruit objectively studies the information, because he knows what the final mystery is.
If you’ve seen a magic trick once, the next time you see it, you find yourself studying it carefully to see how the magician is doing it. The COG rely on their members not knowing what the magic trick is.
By: Ted on July 1, 2008
at 7:39 pm
Yes its very true. My sister was a part of this COG cult and while on her visit to korea she was given a script on how she should go about with this brainwashing procedure and trap as many weaklings she could.
Just imagine a living God has to stage shows and not just that they make them dress like clowns,have football activity on Sundays. Its a total mind control organization and its a pity to see them lose all the sense of logical thinking.
Our family is glad to have our sister back who is undergoing counselling. Praise to Jesus Christ!!
Dark Angel they try as possible to hack all sites. They do not have any truth but its deception and these members like Elijah, poland, Robert are here just to defend the false truth of their church. This video is no longer available at the youtube where their brainwashed member says: “MOTHER HAD TO COME DOWN AND BE SO HUMBLE, SHE CLEANED TOILETS FOR US. I.m so sorry Mum”. Looks like they found it very humiliating that displays the extent of stupidity.
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 8:34 pm
This is how they use the techinque of recruiting members
Let’s complete overseas mission with Harmony and cooperation
Characters:
Chairman Park Jaeeum
Man O Daegun
Women Lee Heyoung
Chinese 1 Lee Hyunjeong
Chinese 2 Kim Yujin
Sister 1 Lee Hejeong
Sister 2 Lee Mina
Sister 3 Yung Jaeum
Sister 4 Yu Jiyeong
Fellow worker Hong Seonggyu
Youth Ahn Gihoon
Black Man Choi Changgoo
French Man Kim Bongseon
Heresy Pastor Jin soocheol
Ad paper man Jeong Yongseung
Opening music is on as dark lighting becomes brighter. The chairman comes onto the middle of the stage
Chairman: (she nods) Men, Women and the youth. Thank you for coming here even though you are all busy. There is a simple survey for brothers and sisters. Umm.. The question is about what we have to prepare and our mental attitudes for overseas mission. And please write which country you would want to go if you had chance to go for overseas. Umm..It has a star mark. It must be an important question. Then please write it carefully after praying. Because you might be able to preach the gospel in the country you want to go.
Mysterious music is on. As the lighting becomes brighter. Chinese traditional music is on. There are ad papers. A man and women appear.
Women: (She reads an ad paper on the street) “Report immediately if you see anyone who has a religion.” Honey-look at this~
Man: It happens at all the time~
Women: I’m worried about our brothers and sisters here. We have a little while until the pastor comes. I’m so worried about if they stagger at these things.
Man: God is with us~!! What are you so worried about?
Women: Yes~ you’re right. My mind was weakened for a while. Anyway~ we’ve got to hurry and get ready before the pastor comes.
to be contd……
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 8:42 pm
Man: Yes.right.It was very hard to be adapted when we first arrived here. Electricity, gas~ we had nothing that we used to use in comfort in Korea. Even sleeping was uncomfortable and it was hard to eat a meal properly.
Women: Yes, it took us 1 year to adapt ourselves here. So let’s help the prophets who come here so that they can concentrate only on finding the fruits.
Man: I agree with you. It is important that we bear fruits. But if we occupy a lot and preach the gospel it is a work for the gospel as well. Then a church will be built here and the gospel of God will spread quickly.
Women: You are right! Let’s do our best~!!
At this moment a Chinese enters the stage from other side, running.
Chinese 1: They are such a beautiful couple.
Chinese 2: who are they?
Chinese1: You know those who talked with us saying that they are from church of God, remember?
Chinese2:Yeah.. and… what about them?
Chinese1: They make much of each other and love each other. It is so beautiful. There are not many couples like them these days.
Chinese2: Really?
Chinese1: They are always smiling and they don’t complain at all. And they are not proud. They look like angels who have come from heaven. I can’t stop them talking about the bible. What they said showing the bible came home to my heart
Chinese2: Really?
Chinese1: Yeah~ would you go and listen to them with me?
Chinese2: You are praising them so much. I wonder who they are and why you are praising them like this.
Chinese1: I heard that a pastor from Korea comes today. I think he is the pastor of the church where the couple goes. Want to go and hear the bible. Let’s go together!
Chinese2: Shall I?
They disappear nodding their heads.
Chairman: Oh ~~ they are a couple who were posted overseas. Let me see.. Oh~ they wanted to preach the gospel in china~. They are a couple who occupied the lot in a strange country and who made the seeds of
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 8:45 pm
gospel grow. There were more than 30 people who were baptized last month. Wow. It’s great~ they seem to have pleased God with their beautiful minds.
At this moment sisters appear from the other side of the stage.
Sister1: Oh, no~ we are late. It’s time for studying the word of God. It is not a grace to be late.
Brothers and sisters are studying at the other side of the stage. They greet them delightfully
Sister 2: Now we have studied the word of God. Shall we go to preach the gospel?
Sister 3: Yes~ Let’s go. Mother will be happy if we find our lost brothers and sisters and go to heaven soon.
They get ready to go out, and then they see sister 1 who is studying.
Sister 2: Sister! It’s hard to study, isn’t it?
Sister 1: No. No. Its ok.
Sister 2: (Holding her face) Sister! You know that you are not mother’s daughter if you lose your heart. You know that~
Sister 1: (weeping) No~ I am mother’s daughter
Sister 3: If you want to be Mother’s daughter. Say, “I love you. I love you. I Love you.” Three times a day.
Sister 2: Yes~ Cheer up! Sister. Yap!!
Sister 1: Yap!! (Brothers and sisters go out) Yes~ Let’s think about the time when I first arrived here. How hard did I try to do overseas mission? I’ve come to America where I wanted to come so much. I should do my best.
Cindy appears.
Cindy: Hi~ Yeongmi
Sister 1: Hi Cindy
Cindy: Have you heard about it? The Tornado. It’s so scary~!!! A lot of people died
Sister 1: Really?
Cindy: Aren’t you scared?
Sister 1:Never~God is with me~ what should I be scared for?
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 8:48 pm
Cindy: Yeah ~ I believe in God but…
Sister 1: Cindy~ Have you heard about the Passover?
Cindy: Passover?
Sister 1:Yes, the Passover. The feast of God that we can escape from disasters!
Cindy; No
Sister! (Showing the Bible) See Understand?
Cindy: Wow~~its surprising. Why I haven’t known till now? Your God is surprising.
Sister: Of course
Cindy: Yeongmi!! I want to keep the Passover as well. Then God will protect me right?
Sister 1: Of course
Cindy: I will tell my family about this right away. Yeogngmi we don’t have time to be here. Hurry and let’s go to church.
Sister 1: Yeah~ (They disappear smiling)
Chairman: Oh~ She is the one who wanted to go overseas mission to AMERICA. She bears a lot of fruits as many as she has passions. The passions for preaching the gospel!! God must be very pleased with her.
At this time a fellow worker in a neat suit appears
Fellow worker: wow~ It’s really hot here.
Youth: Of course. It’s Africa
Fellow worker: Oh~ brother, here have some water
Youth: (He sees that there is not much water left) Well, how about you then? If I drink it all.
Fellow worker: Don’t worry about me. I had some before
Youth: No it was I who drank it before.
Fellow worker: Ah. I drank before it
Youth: You have some first.
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 8:50 pm
Fellow worker: No brother. You drink it. There is not much left, so you can drink it all. I am not even thirsty.
Youth: It’s more than 50 degrees here. It’s impossible to be not thirst here.
While they are offering water to each other, a foreigner comes then their eyes change…
Fellow worker: Ah brother, Let’s preach the gospel to him (They go to the black man)
Fellow worker: Hello~ Please listen to God’s words
Youth: (He opens the bible and tries to explain) Well deacon. I don’t think he understands us.
Fellow worker: Doesn’t he?
Youth: What shall we do? Ah! I’ve got an idea (He whispers in his ears)
They take off their clothes. The youth holds flashes on his shoulders and the fellow worker shouts “WE LOVE U” with some motion
The black man recognizes what they are doing
Black man: Ah~~you are those whom I met in Korea! Nice to meet you!
Youth: He recognizes us.
Black man: It was so impressive. We love you. We owe you much for your kindness. So it’s time to repay your kindness. And the members of the church of God are so nice~~I want to go there too. I too have many friends. I will introduce you to my friends.
They pray with delight.
Chairman: Their warm mind that takes care of each other and worries about each other is such difficult process seems to have please God. Church of God has been built even in Africa. Does it mean that the words of God have been preached to the end of the earth? Finally, the end of the mission seems to be seen.
Sister 4: 1 year has already passed since I came to France. There is no church of God here yet. I thought that the French would have great sense. France is an advanced country, but no one would even listen to me. There must be a reason why I’ve come here. God said that He wants to make certain that none of the ones he has given me will be lost. There must be some people who want to listen to the words of God. Let’s cheer up~
At this moment a unique music is on a French in gay costume enters.
Sister 4: Hey~wait a minute please. Would you listen to the words of God?
French: Oh No
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 8:52 pm
Sister 4: It’s good news.
French: Be quite~ Where are you from?
Sister 4: From Korea.
French: Oh Korea no no no~ they eat dogs smelly kimchi~ I hate it no no I hate you too.
Sister 4: Wait!! (This time a heresy pastor comes from other side)
Sister 4: Do you know about Melchizedek?
Pastor: Of course~ Melchizedek It means that that the name of zedek is Melchi~
Sister 4: Ah! Then how about 666?
Pastor: Of course I know 666. It’s a fool. “Who fools everyone on earth” 666 is a fool.
Sister 4: Then do we know the name of this age?
Pastor: Today’s key point! It’s an important question!! New name~ it’s a bird. New means bird in Korean. We call it dove or eagle sometimes.
He passes her coolly.
Sister 4: She is disappointed for a while. But she put forth her strength and prays again.
Chairman: Brothers and sisters have eagerness to preach the words of God in Samaria and to the ends of the earth but it is impossible because Mother prays continually for them.
The lighting becomes darker and Mother appears. Mother prays on the corner of the stage. When she finishes praying the stage gets bright. The couple preacher who went to China appears.
Women: Sister~!! We’ve come
Sister4: Oh! How come you are here? You are supposed to be in China~
Man: The mission in China has been completed.
Sister 4: What?
Man: So we have come to help you. It will finish more quickly if we preach the gospel together
American brothers and sisters appear. Sister 1,2 and 3 appear with Cindy.
Sister 1: Sister~ we will help you.
Sister 4: Oh~? You are sisters from America~
Sister 2: The mission in America has been completed too. There is church of God in all 50 states.
Sister 1: Of course. There is no place where doesn’t have church of God.
Cindy: We’ve come to help you. We’ve got complete the mission as soon as possible so that mother doesn’t have to suffer.
Sister 4:(She nods her head being moved)
At this moment the brothers and sisters of Africa and the fellow workers and the Youth appear.
Fellow worker: Sister!! We’ve come too. The mission in Africa has been completed by the grace of mother. Europe is the only one left.
Bother: You are not alone. Nothing is impossible when we get together and help each other. Europe!! You are in my hand~ Ha Ha Ha~~
Sister 4: Thank you~ Father, Mother. I give thanks to you.
Black man: We don’t have much time. Let’s go and preach~ I want to complete the mission as soon as possible so that we can see mother being very pleased.
All: Yeah~!!
Everyone preaches the gospel in the street
Chairman: Go and teach them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
The ending music is on, all the brothers and sisters who were preaching gather together.
All: The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation. I am the Lord: in its time I Will do this swiftly.
New Song “The light of Life of the new Jerusalem” is on, everyone sings along.
Stage blackout
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 8:56 pm
I apologize for the long post but had to get this across. I will be on vacation for a while.
The script has the korean version too.
Have fun. Its very hilarious as you read through
By: Genius on July 1, 2008
at 9:11 pm
Elijah,
Your god was taught through the “opinions of men”.
In his book, ahnsahnghong quotes constantine, “In A.D. 321, Constantine, a Roman emperor, decreed an edict: All judges, city-people and craftsmen shall rest on the venerable day of the Sun.”
This information was revealed to him by the SDA.
“Seventh-day Adventists teach that there is no evidence of the Sabbath being changed to Sunday in the Bible. They teach instead that it was changed by gradual acceptance of Sunday worship gatherings kept by the early church in Rome to distinguish themselves from the Jews and to align themselves with political authorities.
This change became more universally accepted with the establishment of Roman emperor Constantine’s Sunday law of 321 AD and the decree at the Council of Laodicea that in canon 29 declared that Christians should avoid work on Sunday.”
The SDA taught him the fundmentals, their way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_theology
I have a family member who is a SDA as well, so this is something that they teach.
So when you say “opinions of men”, to me, it means that you only accept information written by other men, if it is hand picked by your church and presented to you.
By: Dark Angel on July 1, 2008
at 10:02 pm
Also, Ellen White originally claimed the Pope started “Sunday worship”.
She then changed her mind and said that Emperor Constantine introduced “Sunday worship” in 325 AD.
Today, the SDA blame the interaction of Sunday worship on Christians in 135 AD and not the Pope or Constantine.
By: Dark Angel on July 1, 2008
at 10:17 pm
Dark Angel said “Your god was taught through the “opinions of men”.”
Dark Angel, you are really blind of God’s will in the Bible. At least your wife understand God’s will. You should start getting the studies from her. I don’t wanna waste my time anymore. God bless you Dark Angel.
By: Elijah on July 1, 2008
at 11:43 pm
Well I think I will be on my way..
Thanx for being great. I will come every now and then and reply to posts I find interesting. This is begining to look like a kids playground. It’s ridiculous already!
DA thnx for the other forum I will check up on it. Coginator thanx for the other forum.
I have too much work to do for the moment. I wish I could stay and debate a little more, sorry. I promise to try my hardest and come back soon!
Much Love
~~Lizzie
By: Lizzie on July 2, 2008
at 3:50 am
Elijah said, “I really feel sorry for you COGinator. Even if I show you the truth of God’s will, you won’t understand it.”
Your making an assumption which you have not proven…that what you teach is the truth. I believe that we’ve shown more compelling proof that what the WMSCoG teaching is not in alignment with what the gospels are about. So really it is you have have a block on the truth. Try this…start attending some different churches to see if there is any truth in what we are teaching you. Get into some more discussions with Christians that have an understanding of the bible…don’t prey on the Christians who don’t have an understanding…because in the end all you’ll have a mindless Christian that furthers the agenda of the cult we call WMSCoG.
By: CoGinator on July 2, 2008
at 4:06 am
Elijah said, “Dark Angel, you are really blind of God’s will in the Bible. At least your wife understand God’s will.”
Elijah, I am not talking about the bible. I am talking about ahnsahnghong’s book “The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life”.
Ahnsahnghong didn’t write the bible.
So if I say “ahnsahnghong’s book”, it means the stuff that HE wrote…not the bible.
By: Dark Angel on July 2, 2008
at 4:22 am
Elijah, are you Wai Yu Lai?
You mentioned my wife and I never said anything about my wife on this blog.
Just curious.
By: Dark Angel on July 2, 2008
at 5:38 am
It would seem as if there is an untrusting spirit amongst the WMSoG. I would pray to the real God and not the fake gods that you worship for forgiveness and repentance.
To assume we’re haters just because we are seeking answers to things that don’t make sense proves you’re untrusting.
So far all roads lead to “nanny nanny boo boo…we’re not telling you because you ask too many questions”. Usually if a person is untrusting it’s because they too are someone not to be trusted. If you want to hide behind that…be my guest.
By: CoGinator on July 2, 2008
at 12:51 pm
COGinator said “Your making an assumption which you have not proven…that what you teach is the truth. I believe that we’ve shown more compelling proof that what the WMSCoG teaching is not in alignment with what the gospels are about. So really it is you have have a block on the truth. Try this…start attending some different churches to see if there is any truth in what we are teaching you. Get into some more discussions with Christians that have an understanding of the bible…don’t prey on the Christians who don’t have an understanding…because in the end all you’ll have a mindless Christian that furthers the agenda of the cult we call WMSCoG.”
Are you kidding me COGinator. What the Church of God teaches is the truth of the Bible. So your saying that Jesus was lying when He said that unless you eat His body and blood which is the Passover of the new covenant you have no life in you? How blind are you COGinator. Now to say that Communion is the body and blood of Christ then that’s an opinion of men thinking it’s okay to celebrate the Passover anytime they want. Wow do you know better than Jesus and the Apostles examples COGinator? Unbelievable. By the way, I have been in many arguments with other denominations out there and they all seem to give up. Clearly only World Mission Society Church of God follows all God’s wills according to the Bible. Once I made those members of Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah Witness, Baptist, Born Again, and many more realize that they are not keeping all God’s wills, they just start to mock at me since they have no more proofs from the Bible to show that they are the true church keeping all God’s wills. The Parable of Weeds and Wheat is really being fulfilled just as Jesus told the Apostles about it. Also, so far COGinator you have only used the opinion of men and really not prove Church of God is a false church according to the Bible. Keep trying, search the Bible well COGinator and maybe you have something from the Bible that proves the Church of God doesn’t keep God’s wills.
Dark Angel said “Elijah, are you Wai Yu Lai?
You mentioned my wife and I never said anything about my wife on this blog.
Just curious.”
Thanks for asking Dark Angel and I am NOT Wai Yu Lai. I actually went to Rick’s forum which you Dark Angel, Ted, COGinator seems to enjoy since it is built against Church of God. Looks like Wai Yu Lai is destroying all of you Church of God haters there. When it comes to preaching the truth, I really don’t wanna waste time to people who are not interested in God’s truth and more interested in opinion of men.
Okay I’m done here. I have some other people who are interested in knowing God’s truth and not the opinion of men and I have no problem showing them the truth. God bless you all.
By: Elijah on July 2, 2008
at 1:57 pm
Good luck on your mission, Elijah.
By: Dark Angel on July 2, 2008
at 2:52 pm
Elijah, you said,”Are you kidding me COGinator. What the Church of God teaches is the truth of the Bible. So your saying that Jesus was lying when He said that unless you eat His body and blood which is the Passover of the new covenant you have no life in you?”
I’m waiting for the day when the WMSCoG interprets this to mean actually eating flesh and drinking blood of sacrificed humans…that’s about as far fetched as interpreting Jesus wanted us to continue the practice of the Jewish Passover. (which by the way Jesus had his last supper two days before the Passover…so there goes your theory that that is what he wanted).
I’ll just leave it at that. You say we believe men…I say you believe in men too…it was Joo and Cheol that claimed ASH to be the Christ. He did not, has not, and will not (since he’s dead).
And we’ve proven that to all who are not mind melted, time and time again.
By: CoGinator on July 3, 2008
at 9:10 am
One more thing Elijah, it would appear that you are angry…I wonder what travesty occured in your life that brought you to the WMSCoG.
Based on the comments, language and tone of the postings it would seem more that your the hater than any non WMSCOG member. WWJD?
By: CoGinator on July 3, 2008
at 9:49 am
so, if MJ told the cog people to take heroin to bring them closer to their “god” they’d do it?
Just don’t drink the kool aid……..
By: mommadukes on July 3, 2008
at 8:51 pm
watch this video
Not much difference between COG or this guy who claims he’s Jesus.
I was told that even Hyundai company donated car to MJ and well we have cheol wear Rolex watch
The COG works in secret and keeps a low profile. Nowadays christians believe in anything. and it is the brainwashed members that help build churches for their cult leaders across the globe.
The cog does not want to be exposed too soon like the rest of the cults. Therefore under Mj’s instructions they ensure that every anti-cog videos and websites are hacked or destroyed.
If ASH died of a brain aneurism one can imagine what awaits M.J and Cheol for misleading and destroying many souls.
By: thomas on July 5, 2008
at 10:03 pm
Every race has a messiah or savior. Nothing surprising.
By: Dark Angel on July 6, 2008
at 2:54 am
(July 6) – Survival groups around the world are gearing up and counting down to a mysterious date that has been anticipated for thousands of years: Dec. 21, 2012.
Across the United States, Canada and throughout Europe, apocalyptic sects and individuals say that is the day that the world as we know it will end, ABCnews.com reports.
Ancient Mayan societies, known for their advanced mathematics and astronomy, followed a “long count” calendar that lasted 5,126 years. When their charts are translated to the Gregorian calendar, the international standard used today, time runs out on Dec. 21, 2012.
Believers say there are other links besides just the Mayan calendar that portend catastrophe. The sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years on the same day, which marks the winter solstice. Some say that will disrupt the energy flow to Earth, or that the high rate of sunspots or sun flares that NASA has predicted for 2012 could affect Earth magnetic fields.
Scientists have tried to squash the doomsday scenario as another empty prophesy, but it’s clear there are thousands who consider the possibility of a worldwide catastrophe occurring on that date very real.
“You have to understand, there will be nothing, nothing left,” Patrick Geryl told ABC News. “We will have to start an entire civilization from scratch.” Geryl, a 53-year-old former laboratory worker who lives in Belgium, quit his job two years ago after he saved up enough money to last him until December 2012. He’s now stocking survival supplies, a list of which runs 11 pages long.
Geryl is certainly not the only one. Searching for “2012 the end of the world” on Google brings up nearly 700,000 hits. More than 6,500 video posts about the day have been posted on YouTube. There are also countless books on the topic, many published in the wake of the success of Daniel Pinchbeck’s “2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl,” which has been selling thousands of copies each month since it was released last May.
But what do believers think will happen on Dec. 21, 2012? Some say a polar reversal, where the north pole becomes the south, where the sun rises in the west, triggering natural disasters around the world. Others say the date marks a worldwide spiritual awakening.
Experts laugh off these notions. “These prophecies of doom really don’t have any basis in what we know about the Maya,” said Stephen Houston, an anthropology professor at Brown University and an expert in Maya hieroglyphic writing. “The Maya descriptions barely talk about this event.” He said the Mayans saw their calendar coming to an end on the date, but then starting over without any catastrophes.
“Really, it’s a conversion of people’s anxieties about our times, and finding some remote mythological precedent or prediction of it,” he said. “People like to believe that ancient wisdom is somehow predicting this time of upheaval.”
I had to post this when I read it… This is for those that believe the world will end in 2012 and those that dont!
By: Lizzie on July 7, 2008
at 1:43 pm
When the New Testament lists sins, Sabbath breaking is conspicuosly absent:
– In Mark 7:21-22 13 sins are listed. Jesus did not mention breaking the Sabbath.
– In Romans 1:29-32 20 sins are listed and not one of them is Sabbath breaking.
– In Galatians 5:19-21 a list of 15 sins are given,
– In 2 Timothy 3:1-4 there’s a list of 18 sins, but not once is Sabbath breaking mentioned!
-Why is it that nowhere in the New Testament is failure to keep the Sabbath day condemned as sin?
-Why is the fourth commandment itself not repeated even ONCE in the New Testament?
-If the Sabbath keeping is so important for a disciple of Christ, why was it not mentioned in His sermon on the Mount or in ANY of His teachings?
-Why didn’t Jesus command Sabbath keeping?
-Why didn’t any of the Apostles command Sabbath keeping?
-Why didn’t the Jerusalem counsel command Sabbath keeping or condemn Sabbath breaking? (Acts 15)
By: exsda on July 7, 2008
at 2:01 pm
[i] “I had to post this when I read it… This is for those that believe the world will end in 2012 and those that dont!” [/i]
The world won’t end in 2012.
1999 was supposed to be a similar END TIMES date.
Then we had Y2K.
Early Christians thought the year 1899 would be the final year.
It’s all just superstition fuelled by myth.
And by the way, the Mayans did not believe that the world would end in 2012, this is a misunderstanding of their writings. They Mayan calender has 20 calendar cycles. Each cycle lasts 400 tropical years and is thought of as 1 unit of time. The next Mayan cycle will start in 2012.
In other words, we’re living in the 13th Mayan calender cycle, and in 2012, we enter the 14th Mayan cycle. The world doesnt end, the 13th calender cycle simply ends. 2012 is not some Mayan apocalyptic “END TIMES” event, it’s simply just another repeated calender cycle.
So basically, 2012 is 1999 to the Mayans. It’s when we shift from one “millenium” to another “millenium”. The Mayan’s did not believe the world would end in 2012, this is just a myth spread by conspiracy theorists and nutcases.
[i] “When the New Testament lists sins, Sabbath breaking is conspicuosly absent” [/i]
Because it’s not a sin. Just another legalistic doctrine used by cults to keep their members focussed on physical repetition.
By: Ted on July 7, 2008
at 8:12 pm
Lizzie said: “Scientists have tried to squash the doomsday scenario as another empty prophesy, but it’s clear there are thousands who consider the possibility of a worldwide catastrophe occurring on that date very real.”
And of course the COG ignore the scientists and instead believe the “thousands of nutcases” who think 2012 will be a worldwide catastrophe.
Lizzie said: “Experts laugh off these notions. “These prophecies of doom really don’t have any basis in what we know about the Maya,” said Stephen Houston, an anthropology professor at Brown University and an expert in Maya hieroglyphic writing. “The Maya descriptions barely talk about this event.” He said the Mayans saw their calendar coming to an end on the date, but then starting over without any catastrophes.”
Did you even read what you posted Lizzie? The Mayans did not believe the world would end in 2012.
Do you really believe that Ahsnahnghong is fullfilling a Mayan Prophecy…a prophecy that doesnt exist ANYWHERE in Mayan culture.
This is very similar to how the COG believes that Ahnsahnghong fullfilled prophecies…prophecies which do not even exist in the Bible.
People make prophecies without understanding the facts of the cultures they derive their beliefs from.
Lizzie said: “Really, it’s a conversion of people’s anxieties about our times, and finding some remote mythological precedent or prediction of it,” he said. “People like to believe that ancient wisdom is somehow predicting this time of upheaval.”
Exactly.
By: Ted on July 7, 2008
at 8:19 pm
Ted said “This is very similar to how the COG believes that Ahnsahnghong fullfilled prophecies…prophecies which do not even exist in the Bible.”
Ted before you go further why don’t you read the Bible. I guess the Fig Tree Lesson from Jesus Christ Himself is a b.s. to you Ted huh? Even the Root of David, Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled that so Ted, don’t say that the prophecies Ahnsahnghong fulfilled didn’t exist in the Bible. Thank you Ted.
By: Elijah on July 7, 2008
at 8:40 pm
Hi Elijah.
Yes, it’s BS just like the Mayan 2012 myth. The Mayans did not believe the world would end in 2012. People create myths and prophecies without understanding the culture from which their beliefs are derived.
The Mayan myth of 2012 was started by people who didn’t understand Mayan culture, just like the the COG’s prophecies of Ahnsahnghong were started by people who don’t understand Judaism.
By: Ted on July 7, 2008
at 9:02 pm
I just posted something I read… that’s why I clearly stated at the end “This is for those that believe the world will end in 2012 and those that dont!”
Moron….. I didnt say it was to fulfill any prophesies, that is what YOU ASSUMED! Didn’t anyone teach you it is wrong to assume!
Anyway, this is just something I wanted to share.
And the Sabbath keeping is mentioned in the New Testament, just because you are blind to see that JESUS kept the SABBATH and so his Apostles.
Luke 4:16
He [Jesus] went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
Acts 17:2
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
and here are more Sabbath keeping verses:
Mark 1:21
They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach.
Mark 6:2
When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed.
Luke 23:56
Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Acts 13:14
From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down.
Hebrews 4:1
[ A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God ] Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.
So I don’t agree with you about the Sabbath not being a COMMANDMENT in the NEW TESTAMENT!
Let’s not forget Jesus words concerning his FATHERS LAWS and NOT KEEPING THEM
Matthew 7
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY HE who does the WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
By: Lizzie on July 8, 2008
at 2:54 am
The planetary alignment was supposed to destroy the planet too.
Does anyone remember that?
It’s weird how people tend to forget these things only to feed into another. There will be something else after the 2012 thing blows over and religious sects will take advantage again once more.
By: Dark Angel on July 8, 2008
at 7:21 am
Mark 2:27-28: The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.
Let’s look at the context of Mark 2 to see what Jesus’ purpose was in saying what he did in verses 27 and 28. One Sabbath, Jesus and the disciples were picking heads of grain (verse 23). Jesus’ action and that of his disciples was immediately challenged by the Pharisees. “Why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?” they demanded to know (verse 24). The Pharisees had set themselves up as religious authorities, defining what could or could not be done on the Sabbath.
What the Pharisees objected to was Jesus and his disciples picking the heads of grain on the Sabbath. They regarded this as reaping. It was one of the many acts the teachers of the law had decided should be forbidden on the Sabbath. The people challenging Jesus in Mark 2:27-28 would all have rightly assumed that the Law of Moses commanded them to keep the Sabbath. As the old covenant people of God, they were obligated to observe it. The question for these people – not us – was how to keep it under certain circumstances.
To answer this question, Jesus countered their challenge with a question and an example of his own about David and his companions. He pointed out that on one occasion, because they were hungry, they ate the consecrated bread, which was unlawful for anyone to eat but the priests (verses 25-26). By his reference to this example, Jesus was pointing out that while David technically broke the Law of Moses, he was not condemned because such violations under certain conditions of need might be warranted. Jesus had applied this principle to what he and the disciples were doing when picking the heads of grain on the Sabbath.
Jesus’ point was that although the action of David was contrary to the Law of Moses, he was not condemned for it. The issue in this passage, then, is how to interpret the Mosaic Law, and who has the ultimate authority to do so. Nothing is said about which group of people, or whether everyone, is commanded to keep the Sabbath as “holy time.”
Paul on Galatian also mentioned:
Galatians 4:9-11 “But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.”
This corresponds to:
Colossians 2:16-17 “Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day–things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”
Finally:
Romans 14:5
“One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.”
Spirituality is not about days, festivals, ceremony .. all those things are merely doctrins and dogma. It is like you are eating the menu instead of eating the food when you go to a restaurant..
I hope we can all love one another without prejudice.
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and back at you..
Matthew 7
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY HE who does the WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
By: exsda on July 8, 2008
at 8:25 am
Elijah said, “Ted before you go further why don’t you read the Bible. I guess the Fig Tree Lesson from Jesus Christ Himself is a b.s. to you Ted huh? Even the Root of David, Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled that so Ted, don’t say that the prophecies Ahnsahnghong fulfilled didn’t exist in the Bible. Thank you Ted.”
It’s the CoGs interpretation that’s BS. As far as I can tell, ASH has not root in David, but Jesus did. So clearly the prophecy was for Jesus and not for ASH. Thank you Elijah.
By: CoGinator on July 8, 2008
at 2:49 pm
Why are Christian sects using Mayan information anyway, the Mayans were Pagans.
Wouldn’t that be injecting Paganism into Christianity?
Isn’t that what the COG accuse Constantine of doing?
That’s weird.
By: Dark Angel on July 8, 2008
at 4:35 pm
Since the Cult Watch message board is down, thought I’d post a question here in regards to Communion.
I’m not even going to make any assumptions at this point, I’ll find out later if the forum was hacked into or not.
Anyway, Paul’s words…
1Corinthians 10:14 – Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee fro idoltry
1Corinthians 10:15 – I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
1Corinthians 10:16 – The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the Communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the Communion of the body of Christ?
1Corinthians 10:17 – For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
Why didn’t Paul refer to the act of eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ as “the Passover”?
Why did he refer to it as “the Communion”?
I’m curious.
By: Dark Angel on July 10, 2008
at 11:57 am
What happen to Rick’s forum? Did it get hacked? Anyway Dark Angel, I know your smart as hell and COGinator is just one of your “side boys”. Dark Angel, you are now ready to debate with Ryan/Marcus. I have an answer for you and I’ll be right back.
By: Robert on July 10, 2008
at 5:45 pm
Rick’s forum still runs even after the threats given by cog members. So what big deal? Each time a new forum will be created.Nothing gonna stop the warriors of Jesus Christ i.e Ted, Coginator or Dark Angel.
Robert have you heard of the Archangels
Michael, The Captain of God’s Armies
Raphael: The Archangel of Healing
Gabriel: The Press Secretary and Minister of Information
God works through them and its a great privilege for you cog members to receive heavenly assistance from Ted, coginator and Dark angel who are working hard by giving you an opportunity to repent and be saved until the end of your live, rather than believe in a God who just came down only to clean toilets and be con artist
Dark Angel is not just smart but smarter than your Joo cheol or Mother Jerusalem. LOL
Well page boys of Mother Jerusalem looking forward to your answers?
By: Jose on July 10, 2008
at 7:27 pm
Robert,
I’m not “smart ass hell”, I’m just a normal person and COGinator is not my “side boy” or “side kick”…he’s an equal to me.
By: Dark Angel on July 11, 2008
at 12:45 am
Also Robert,
Poland took it upon himself to reply to my question.
Thanks for your help though.
By: Dark Angel on July 11, 2008
at 12:57 am
Dear CoG pls reply me these things & I will Join & readly work for the Cog. I had you people come to me also. Pls reply me this :
Whenever we have to start anything we first pray to God, we never see you start the Bible teaching with a pray. You just started without seeking Gos’s permission or cover your word with His precious blood.
Yes ! your Bible interpreting is sooo true & excellent & clear & eye opener. But besides the prophesy how have you agreed on him being the Holy Spirit why not just a prophet who would come like Johon the Baptist ………..
Also we are a little annoyed on certain things:
1. That you have baptized us without giving us any knowledge about the person & informing us His name etc. ?
2. This concept of just taking the person & baptizing him with a new name of which he has never heard or aware of is very wrong…… we flatly thought that you would just baptized us in a regular way.
Eg. : If a stranger comes to your house & asks you to keep some unknown/
strange looking bag in your house, you will first inquire with him “what is
in that bag” ? right ?
But we were zapped after hearing some strange name out of the blues. Even in spite of asking you later, about the name you said later.
Eg. : Now this was like a stranger cheatingly smiled tricked & gave us the big Mystery dangerous Bag
and forced us to keep it, without making us aware what it consist of ?
I felt so confused & felt like a fool, but still convinced my self to take it with a humble heart & I asked Jesus to cover us with his Precious blood over what ever had happened.
I decided & went ahead to find out more about this name.
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Now remember we are Gods children & Gods children are humble and seekers of the truth. And am sure, that you have gone thru the same question that we are now struggling with. If you have overcome, so shud we. RIGHT ?
We don’t want to offend anyone, but make sure that ; whatever we will be following “is the truth”. We don’t want to regret or leave a dark patch on our heart, Coz we will have to teach the same thing 2 others & will be questioned with the same doubts which you must have had & now we are having. So please make clear, some points :
WHO ARE THEY AS A PERSON ?????
The Name you say is – The Holy Spirit :
Born – 1918
Baptised – 1948
Preached for – 37 years
Died – 1985.
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RELIGION : Jesus is God -THE MOST HIGH, He is the Holy of Holies. When he . planed to come on earth, God chose to come down in flesh thru a . Virgin……………. – Mary.. / A disciple of God/ A BELIEVER ( A free . woman )
Matthew 1:1-2A, 6, 16 [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: [2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, … [6] and Jesse the father of King David. [16] and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ who was baptized by John the Baptist.
So its very clear that here the God Most High, who is bright & sparkling as sun & without SIN, chose a virgin, untouched, pure to give him birth.
Ok throughout the bible, God punished those who did not worship him. That is pure and undeniable facts. However, as God is well known for his anger towards Idol worshippers –
Does it it appears that God was happy and pleased with two people who were not believers nor followers of him & his Bible. These two people, who were Buddhist, worshipped a false god, which may have included bowing down to the idol & eating food sacrificed to the idol & offering him poojas etc. These people were in bondage. Not born from free woman. (the story of Hagar & Sarah – when God told Abraham that only your son will be the heir of the family & not Hager’s Son coz they were slaves & in bondage)
1. How can God be so pleased, at what they were doing and allowed prophecy that has nothing to do with the religious beliefs of what God hated?
2. How can God – The Holy of Holies allow the woman in bondage, to give birth to Him. (the second coming of Christ) ?????
At the same time, you condemns any form of idol worship and even teaches that every religion including Buddhism is a false religion.
3. Now : He is born in bondage (from a non-believers) ??? Before he could be baptized or accept Christ he was worshipping all idol Gods….obviously what his parents thought him since childhood…. Right ?
4. How can the Holy Spirit participate his earlier (1st half) life, worshipping Buddhist idols ?
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Born : 1918 Why do you say Christ has come for the second time in 1948, when he is actually born in 1918 ? Why are you using the year that he was baptized, for this one?
But why are you not considering his birth date when Holy spirit was born on earth ? Is it just because Israel got its independence in 1948.
Now according to Meckezedek he fulfilled the prophesy and preached for 37 years. So you mean he was not preaching before that ?
a) If no : Then why ? what is the story before that ? How can he suddenly preach out of no where ?
b) If Yes : Then why are those years not counted ?
You say he has fulfilled the prophesy of Melchizedek : – WITHOUT PARENTS /WITHOUT GENOLOGY,
• JESUS WAS WITH MOTHER & FATHER.
WITHOUT GENOLOGY – WITHOUT parents
• He was born from nonbelievers, who were they then? WHAT ABOUT HIS PHYSICAL PARENTS ? THAT’S A MISTRY ?
Baptised : According to the Church of God, he joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1947. And began preaching from 1948 ??? .. He created the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964 ??
Predictions : Ahnsanghong made a number of predictions in his early books.
– Wikipedia ( Encyclopedia ) says, Ahnsanghong mentioned in his book –
“The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life”, in chapter 12 he writes: about the second coming of Christ on 1967 or 1988.
Despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return.”
1. How can someone predict that someone is coming and be that person?
2. 1988 – Where is the second coming ? why didnt he fulfill his word itself???
3. Why are his books not available anywhere? & not given to people who have not joined your church ? The Bible & knowledge shud be given to all. Right ?
4. What do the church leaders say about his first two prophecies in 1967 and 1988.
He also mentioned in his book –
“But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
5. What do you have to say about this ?
He did not proclaim he was a god while he was alive! He wrote books in his books – “beleive in Jesus” & that Jesus would be the second coming christ, not himself.
Death :
Revelations 1:7 says “Behold, he cometh with clouds and EVERY eye will see him and they also which pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.”
>>>> Nobody saw this happen, this is the word of the bible the word of god,
Holy scripture states that when Christ arrives everyone will witness the second coming !! EVERYONE! beleivers and non beleivers.
How come Holy Spirit –Ah…… came in secret & has already died & no one knew ?
Speaking about the death of Jesus = How did Jesus die * on the cross for our sins. By dieing on the Cross He washed away all our sins ? he made us a place in His family?
he was not in he tomb…. He also appeared in some places…& He ascended to heaven,. How did Chr… Anhong die…. ?
I got a reply from the net. Ah… God died of Brain Haemorrage. In secret ???
PASSOVER : Now we have Old testament & New testament.
The feast were given by Jehova God to his people on earth IN HIS AGE- the age of God the Father. I was mandatory, becoz It was given from the God most High.
When God Jehova decided to come on earth In flesh… The age of Jesus began.
Jesus Christ died to the cross to save us from the wrath of His father (He & the Father are one), He went as the Passover offering as a lamb. His offering was accepted before God forever, thus He fulfilled the part about us having to kill a lamb during the feast. This was in the second age- the Age of God the Son.
Hence we do not celebrate the Passover now, as per the Old Testament the age of the Father. What say ?
THE BRIDE OF JESUS :
The heavenly mother does she actually refer to an actual woman, remember the parables.
The bride of the lamb (Jesus), is his children, us, we who have accepted him as our savior in baptism. The bible says that when we accept Jesus, we are MARRIED to him and must refrain from unholy things. Ephesians 5:25-28 – The discussion of husbands and wives. Jesus sets the example by how he loved the church and gave himself for it. Church must be equal to his wife. We make up the church. His Bride.
• What proof exists that Mother Jerusalem is in fact – Mother Jerusalem? Has she told you that she is Her ?
People come & gone – preaches /opened some secret of the Bible & claimed they were the second coming :
Joseph Smith – After all, consider that Joseph Smith of the Mormons prophecied that Jesus would return within his lifetime by 1890. Though Joseph Smith died before that date.
Herbert Armstrong – of the Worldwide Church of God predicted that Jesus already returned in 1936 (later changed to 1945).
Jim Jones – was the reincarnation of Jesus until 1978, when he led his Peoples Temple followers in drinking cyanide-laced drinks and shooting himself in the head.
David Koresh – was also the reincarnation of Jesus, until he died in 1993 along with his Branch Davidians in the Waco Siege shoot-out and fire.
Marshall Applewhite – was yet another ‘the reincarnation of Jesus’ until 1997, when he led his Heaven’s Gate to commit suicide so that their souls could get onto Comet Hale-Bopp… Which was also somehow carrying Jesus on it at the same time.
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Jesus said above all its repent for your sins, forgive & love ….. but you just say all other churches are wrong,
* what about the protestians,
* those who have left the city life & living in the jungle away from satan’s world &
only live on what they received from the woods, they believe only inGod jehova &
no one else, will God not receive them, living such a sinless life.
About the age of the Holy Spirit – HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THE AGE OF JESUS IS ENDED ?
When we have the healing services Soooo MANY are still receiving sight, crooked back bones are getting straightened, cancer is getting cured, a person who cannot walk for ages starts dancing suddenly JUST believing in the name of JESUS. Many many healings are taking place… just accepting the Name of Jesus as their savior. What does CoG say about this ?
I’ve heard about a sister in Rome, who only lives on Eucharist & nothing else …..
People are fasting off food & water for 40 days in Jesus Name & are receiving gifts of the spirit of Prophesy etc. my friend just received & speak perfect as per her vision.
Listen you can be severely punished. You boldly say, that if we say one word more or less out of the Word of GOD (Bible) we will have plagues to us … but just think again..
who you are worshipping ? & what Ahnsanghong has advised you all in His books –
“The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life”, in chapter 12 he writes:
He has predicted about the second coming of Christ in 1967 or 1988.
“But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
He may be a phrophet like Jhon the Baptist, no doubt / Just think again dear Cog.
I am not siding any one. But will be very clear if you reply me this.
Please forgive me dear Jesus & you Cof, but we all have to be saved & God has given us brains to think what is good & evil. Besides in todays world it is so difficult to believe in any one.
Jesus Loves You Cog & rest.
Love of christ
By: Love of Christ Jesus on July 11, 2008
at 4:31 pm
Dear Cog youngsters,
Why is no one replying me, the above ? Are you stuck ? or have you started digging now ?
Please- please some one reply ?
Also this is what i found from one of the sites :
Buddah….has a grave and resides in it.
Muhammad…has a grave and resides in it.
Ahnsahnghong…has a grave and resides in it.
Only Jesus Christ has risen from the dead and is no longer in his grave/tomb.
Need we catholics, to say anything more???
I have already spent some time in CoG but find confusion, secreats etc.
I may give up …. if i dont get a reply to all this.
Hurry youngsters…. you say the generation of today will be able to understand more faster. But have you Cog youngsters who are preaching all this….found for your self first….?
People who dont read the Bible may agree to all that you guys teach…. but this is clear cheating. Thats why you tell us that the older generation will never understand & pick up with an open mind what Cog has to explain.
Jesus is Lord. And the greates commandment Jesus gave us is :
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Galatians 5:14 RSV)
MARK 12:28-31 (RSV)
28
And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with
one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him,
“Which commandment is the first of all?”
29
Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our
God, the Lord is one;
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and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and
with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your
strength.’
31
The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
There is no other commandment greater than these.”
1 Peter 4:8 (RSV)
Above all hold unfailing your love for one another, since love
covers a multitude of sins.
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Above all is Love. Jesus tells us to repent for our sins. And Love above all.
Then why scare innocent people with the world ending day & force them to join your church.
And Is’int the word of God independent & for all. So why not share with us the secret books or word of God which you keep only for yurself or only for the hard core members of Cog. Did God say ” you shud not save my sheep who dont register their names in your Church.
Yes what you preach makes a lot of sence. But who you worship shud be thought about !!!
Mr. Ahnsanghong must have come to share the word of God & open our eyes. But he himself has also written in his book
“The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life”, in chapter 12 he writes: about the second coming of Christ on 1967 or 1988.
Despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return.”
1. How can someone predict that someone is coming and be that person?
2. 1988 – Where is the second coming ? why didnt he fulfill his word itself???
3. Why are his books not available anywhere? & not given to people who have not joined your church ? The Bible & knowledge shud be given to all. Right ?
4. What do the church leaders say about his first two prophecies in 1967 and 1988.
He also mentioned in his book –
“But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
5. What do you have to say about this ?
He did not proclaim he was a god while he was alive!
He wrote books in his books – “beleive in Jesus” & that Jesus would be the second coming christ, not himself.
Listen people of God, i guess Mr. Ahnsanghong may be really sad on this ignorance of God people.
He may have just come to preach like Jhon the Baptist (Phrophet) but you have made him a God…. Please think again about the points that i have mentioned in my previous mail.
Jesus Still Loves you all. Have a blessed day with him.
Believe in Lord Jesus & you will be saved, You & your Family.
Love of jesus christ.
By: Love of Christ Jesus on July 12, 2008
at 2:59 pm
Love of Jesus Christ….
You are not fooling anyone here who follows Jesus’ teachings.
Look what we have here, a false prophet who wants to know treasures so he can trample on them and try to tear us to pieces. Nice try.
So, I assume you love Jesus Christ, correct?
ohn 14:21 — Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me.
John 15:10 — If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
1 John 2:3 — We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:24 — Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them.
1 John 5:3 — This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
Just remember “Love of Jesus Christ” your type are prophesied in the Bible.
2 corinthians 11:3 — For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
By: marcus on July 14, 2008
at 1:07 am
All you cultists are fucking idiots. You don’t deserve the hell’s you believe in. You can’t see past your own actions and are oblivious to reality. You are delusional. Go kill yourselves in one of your fantasy rituals as soon as possible. The world will be better off without these stupid religions poisoning secularism.
If you studied something other than that fucking bible you’d realize that the bronze age sucked… stop trying to revert back to it.
YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE YOU ARROGANT FUCKS. FAITH POISONS REASON.
By: Chad on July 14, 2008
at 6:41 am
You cultists are so stupid, you dont even know what you are following!!! you are the ones that are really going to hell
By: rick on July 14, 2008
at 8:58 am
Marcus, you seem extremely defensive and reactive…did Love of Christ strike a nerve with you?
Clearly bible scripture can be interpreted different ways, just like politics can be spun towards different agendas.
It just so happens that the WMSCoG wants to interpret (or rather spin) scripture in such a way that portrays the WMSCoG as “the one true church”. It is for that reason alone, that one can easily deduce the intentions of the WMSCoG is for that of personal gain, which would be what categorizes it as a cult. And judging from the numbers people who have testified of the bad things it has done to their families, it would be easy to lump it into the destructive cult classification.
As for the anyone else who clearly see’s the cult in the WMSCoG, please refrain from using obscenity and unproductive language as I’m willing to bet you’re much smarter than one who has to resort to a foul mouth to express themselfs.
Thanks,
CoGinator
By: CoGinator on July 14, 2008
at 12:09 pm
Strike a nerve??
Not sure where that came from.
Just exposing people like “Love of Jesus Christ” for who they are.
CogInator, you once said that we will never understand what God’s will is. I hope you understand the error in that statement.
Jesus said….
Matthew 7:21 — “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Revelation 3:3 — Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
How can you obey God’s will if you think we will never completely know God’ will?
Is your message consistent with what Jesus Christ said?? No it is not. Then why would anyone, whether they be a Christian or someone who is seeking the truth, take your advice? Seriously CogInator.
Don’t be fooled by that reasoning. That thinking comes from the enemy who does not want you to know God’s will.
God Bless you.
By: marcus on July 14, 2008
at 2:50 pm
Dark Angel said..
“Marcus, go find your lost billion or trillion and good luck doing so.”
I appreciate that. God Bless you Dark Angel. I wish you were my brother, rather than always arguing with me and the rest of us. Talk to you later.
By: marcus on July 14, 2008
at 3:01 pm
Listen CoG members,
Remember, I have not loged to fight or offend any one. But logged on to this site only to inform you that God has given everyone brains. Why dont you Cog youngsters just find out for yourself if what you are following is right or wrong.
You have justgot caught up with some scriptures and go on & on with it, believing the things being thought to you for the first time.
I too got caught up with 2 young people who came to my house 3 weeks ago. I was soo happy knowing soo many unknown secrets shown from the Bible. I just got flowed with the wind. But my peace was lost. I found myself very disturbed day & night. I could not pray / have a conversation nor sing a song like I always did to Jesus. When I decided to find things my self. I loged on to your teachings on the site (“church of God ) read the whole thing day & night. read the prophesies etc, compared. But then came to kno many other information thru other sites.
I did not depend on just 1 site but many & other books also. Specially sat with revelation & got deep into it.
Said a real sorry to Jesus for following & getting forcebly baptized with a wrong name, which you never even informed me before doing so.
Saying a sorry to Jesus was the biggest thing I ever did last 4 days. I asked him for forgiveness, After which I received a lot of peace Jesus. Jesus knows it.
Now remember CoG the word of God, is stable & fixed forever. Why dont you concentrate more on reality and how you people are linking Mr. Anh…… to Holy Spirit & Jesus.
I am still waiting for the reply :
Mr. Ahn….. has pridicted / written in his book :
“The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life”, in chapter 12 he writes: about the second coming of Christ on 1967 or 1988.
Despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return.”
1. What do the church leaders say about his first two prophecies in 1967 and 1988…….How can he predict that someone is coming and be that person?
How come you have taken the date of his baptizem to phrophesy, than for the date of his Birth ? You have to think hard ! Man.
He also mentioned in his book –
“But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
Have’ny your church leader told you about this ? Now what have to say about this ?
He wrote books in his books – “beleive in Jesus” & that Jesus would be the second coming christ, not himself.
So what do you Cog brothers & sisters have to say about this?
Please make things clear & reply !!
Coz the truth still lies hidden. & as you say the end is comming closer,we ll need Heaven, no one wasnt to live with the Dragon in the Pit of Sulphur right COG ? So please find/speak the truth, come to a conclusion & ask forgiveness from Jesus.
And this is too the other member of the church :
Can we all use a good language / words to reply to Cog, we have yet not come to a conclusion.
Why throw bad words to some one like us (of our age). These yougsters must have gone astray with the ideas of some one who has not interprited Mr. Ahn….. books in a right way.
They are not harsh to us so why shud we.
They may be right OR we may be right.
Jesus alone knows. Lets speakup & tell them what we have found out today.
Just dont shoot up bad words, no one is perfect.
They can still be corrected in another way. that’s the speech of Love.
Dear Cog, Love of Jesus Christ, is waiting for a Cog member’s reply FOR ONLY THE QUESTIONS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE PLEASE.
Jesus Still Loves you.
By: Love of Jesus Christ on July 14, 2008
at 7:15 pm
Love of Jesus Christ,
I commend you for repenting the false baptism that you were con’d into. Further I would say, don’t hold your breath waiting for a logical answer to the many important questions that you are requesting from the WMSCoG members. They only like to debate issues that can be interpreted differently. If it’s clear cut, and doesn’t support their wacky doctrine they don’t go near it with a 10 foot pole.
Clearly the man, Ahnsahnghong, was nothing more than a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor who made many wrong predictions. It wasn’t until after his death, that his church was hijacked into a a destructive cult, thanks to Kim Joo and MJ.
Jesus does love the members of the WMSCoG, but without repentance of false idols, I’m afraid their future is quite unknown.
By: CoGinator on July 14, 2008
at 9:02 pm
CogInator said,
“Jesus does love the members of the WMSCoG, but without repentance of false idols, I’m afraid their future is quite unknown.”
It is unfortunate that you call the second coming Christ a false idol. He came to restore the new covenant that Jesus came with 2000 years ago. It is very sad.
By the way, did you know that keeping Sunday service is making an idol of the Sabbath day? I wonder if you even know what that means.
We will still pray for you.
By: marcus on July 15, 2008
at 9:29 am
Dear Marcur, Every thing what I am asking you is very important.
If you are a Cog member then please brother reply my questions. Am sure you must have dug out all this before you joined Cog. Then please clear my doubts & ALL MY ABOVE MAILS.
As a matter of fact – I do agree with the teachings of Mr. Ahnsanghong, about Sunday worship, about idols, about the 7 thunder, the Spirit & the Bride & other scriptures which he has revealed.
But he has also advised in his book “But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
& – “beleive in Jesus” & that Jesus would be the second coming christ, not himself.
Now you remember when Jhon the Baptist came he was baptizing people in the river some one asked him, if HE WAS THE ONE TO COME FROM GOD. But he said “there is someone mightier then him whose sandal strap ………………….therefore repent” (Luke 3 : 15 – 16)
In the same way Mr. Ahnsanghong must have come to alert us & ask us to repent. But he has also CLEARLY mentioned “But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
Then did the people make Jhon the Baptist “the Christ”. No they believed in him & waited for the one to come.
Then why are you not understanding, why are you being so stubborn as to not reflect on Mr. Ahnsanghong own words / his own advise.
What are you doing ? You are baptizing innocent people in his name !!!!!
Even though Mr. Ahnsanghong has CLEARLY written “But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
Please find the truth dear brother , Don’t just get carried away with half decorated secrets displayed on a nice table. What does Mother Jerusalem have to say about this ?
Listen Cog, One thing salvation is required for all. All want to go to our heavenly Father God after the day of judgment. No one wants to go to the dragon (to Hell).
So please if you say you are right then help us also be saved. Don’t keep the proof / historical book to your self, let all be saved. If your church leaders only keep it to themselves there should be something fishy & ADDED.
I am not going to repeat my above questions again & again.
Think again – what Mr. Ahnsanghong is CLEARLY telling all……. Don’t be ignorant…… If you could believe all that he had revealed & asked us to do then why are you not ready to believe these clearly written words of his.
I remember the young couple (may be just 23 age) of CoG who gave us teachings every time repeated to us with full confidence “ IF WE (Cog) adds on to the Bible, plagues will be added to us…..(Revelation 22: 18-19) so if you are proudly announcing / claiming plagues to you , please this is – THE – WORD – OF – GOD.………..
It’s a DANGEROUS PLAGUE my dear brothers & sister, not some ice-cream or cookie. Ant you scared of Gods anger. Question your church leaders please.
Waiting for the truth, Love of Jesus Christ.
By: Love of Jesus Christ on July 15, 2008
at 6:17 pm
You are ignorant to God’s will “Love of Jesus Christ”. You do not even know what you are talking about. it is sad, because you cannot understand.
There is no contradiction in the words that Christ Ahnsahnghong has spoken. It is your lack of understanding God’s administration that leads you to such conclusions. If we do not understand God’s administration, we can find many contradictions in the Bible itself.
Anyways, you are not fooling anybody as to who you really are. You false Christians are really on the prowl aren’t you?
2 Corinthians 11:3 — For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
By: marcus on July 17, 2008
at 8:24 am
Marcus,
I just dont understand what to tell you. Any ways, I have concluded that you do not have a reply to my above SIMPLE questions.
Whenever all you COG guys dont hav a reply you just say one diaglouge “that our spiritual eyes are closed etc” but dont want us to share in what you know becoz you have only half the truth been told to you. thats it. I have got my reply.
thanks Marcus
Remember YOU have led me AWAY from the church of God.
I though I would get a true reply, which would turn me to join you but its sad that you have no clear reply to my confusion & doubts & above simple questions.
You should have given me the knowledge that you have received but you have kept ALL MY DOUBTS FIRM, I FIND NO PEACE IN YOU,
YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPLY THE SIMPLY PREDICTION THAT MR. ANHANGONG HIMNSELF HAS PREDICTED & CONCLUDED.
ANYWAYS, I HAVE GOT MY REPLY,
JESUS STILL LOVES YOU.
GOOD BYE & PEACE BE WITH YOU MY BROTHER.
By: Love of Jesus Christ on July 21, 2008
at 3:24 pm
jesus come in with love me.I often learned from what you wrote because of not having the person’s other method that could be better than our method your self. thank you for information,when we met again.
By: doni on July 22, 2008
at 4:59 am
Love of Jesus Christ, welcome to my world. Logic and proof doesn’t phase the hard liner CoG members. They only hear what they want to hear, and dismiss everyone else with a different view as a false Christian who doesn’t understand God.
It’s a shame they’ve gotten involved in this destructive cult, but remember, Satans army can choose you to tangle with, but it takes your consent to follow through.
We may not agree on Sunday worship or whether all the OT feasts are required in today’s Christianity, but I whole heartily agree with you that Ahnsahnghong is not, has not, and will not be the second coming. It will be Jesus Christ himself…even ASH knew that.
By: CoGinator on July 22, 2008
at 11:45 pm
Hmm I believe a lot of this descussion has gotton out of hand a lot of rude and disgusting comments were made on both sides which hide the glory of God and I hope that ‘Love of Jesus Christ’ if you come here again I would love to talk to you about any questions left unanswered please email me I will give you answers that you are searching for Edward.lee520@yahoo. Our Members are very emotional and protective of their faith so a lot of the derrogatory remarks made by some people who just from their way of speaking totaly show that they are not true christians! So our members may have been upset and have said somethings that shouldn’t be said or started arguments that need not be started! For our members, in one of the sermons it was said that once another brother was spoken to harshly about our heavenly Mother and heard derrogetory comments about Her! but when he told this to Mother she said “You still are young in faith is it not written that just as Jesus must be persecuted, hit, spit on and mocked so to we to must be persecuted” Mother teaches us to accept the comments about her for it must be, we should not stoop to their level and retaliate. But retaliate with understanding and love for souls who do not understand. When Jesus was about to be taken away by the soldier Apostle John pulled out his sword to stop them and struck the ear of another guard, did Jesus praise him for standing up for Him? NO! He rebuked him and said to put away the sword. That is not what Mother wants from us.. She will be prouder of us if we were to show love and compassion to our attackers! but the thing is you guys are wondering why we don’t devulge information to just anyone.. did Jesus devulge information to just anyone? He said to his deciples I speak in parables because the secrets of heaven are only for you not them. If you were to stop slandering and just ask with a willingness to understand and truely learn then we would be glad to tell you anything and everything.. but if you go around and start using vulgar language and have only a willingness to destroy what is precious to us we don’t feel the need or the want to tell you anything! Well members of Church of God I do praise you for your preserverance and your zest for the gospel! And I do hope that you bear much fruit for the glory of GOd!
By: Ed on July 23, 2008
at 5:15 pm
Oh sorry my mistake it was Apostle Peter who took out the sword and struck the soldiers ear!! SORRY for the mix up but I think everyone understands the point^^
By: Ed on July 23, 2008
at 5:20 pm
Ed,
Here’s the problem, It’s not destroying anything precious by debunking the notion that little old lady who lives a shoe (or rather a multimillion dollar complex) and claims to be God is not really God. The testimony of the members of the WMSCoG have clearly communicated through their experiences and understanding of her that she is nothing more than a con artist who with the help of Joo Cheol Kim, have hijacked the off shoot of the SDA church Pastored by Ahnsahnghong. I truly do love my neighbors which is why I am eager to help them realize they are involved with a destructive cult. You’ve heard the saying…”If walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck…it must be a duck.”
There is a lot of fruit being produced by this church/organization…unfortunately most of it is rotten.
I would encourage you guys to come over to the the http://ahnsahnghong.biz/forum site and lets give Jamie back the site.
By: CoGinator on July 24, 2008
at 3:08 am
TO ALL IN CHRIST,
Yes, one more thing I want you all to know that these COG people deny the cross but see what the Word of God in : Corinthians 1 : 18 has to say :
“For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
Please the new members of COG (the youngsters) you are our brothers & Sisters just as we are digging to check for Truth you must first check the Bible wholly not just what has been partly thought or tattered to you But also that there is NO OTHER NAME BUT JESUS.
HOW CAN YOU JUST GO INTO SOME HANDS OF A STRANGER. AND ALSO HAVE THE GUDS TO LEAD OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE BLINDLY NTO IT.
I was without NO peace for a month when I was trying to find, if I was going to follow the right person.
But was shocked to know many hidden things. And I had to ask Jesus, to forgive me for being baptized unknowingly in a strange name which was not been mentioned to me ever during the teachings from the COG members.
JESUS THE SON OF GOD IS THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN FOR US …. WE DO NOT NEED TO OFFER OTHER LAMBS ON EARTH TO PLEASE GOD….
BECOZ HE WAS ONE SACRIFICE OFFERED FOR OUR SINS FOREVERR.
HE IS THE KING OF KING & LORD OF LORDS.
PEACE BE UPON YOU.
Love of Jesus Christ
By: Love of Jesus Christ on July 26, 2008
at 7:17 pm
Praise God !
Dear All, Please read thru out its all important.
& COG NEW members, please do not trust the COG. They say Ahnsanghong & his family is God. Its false.
I would request you to please read the book “ The Torn Veil” by Gulshan Esther.
A true story of a crippled- muslim girl imprisoned by her religion,
Who did everything possible to get healed from Allha & Mohamed the Prophet,
But did not receive any healing or reply.
She went in search for the true God & found the name of Jesus the son of Mary in her Holy Quran.
She thirsted to search for Him to heal her.
Jesus appeared to her & healed her & told her “Go & testify about Me to MY people.
With so many opposing her, This Muslim girl is now speaking about her faith & spreading her testimony of JESUS.
A very beautiful testimony about all that she saw & all that Jesus himself spoke to her.
Please please read this true testimony dear COG youngsters. (Evangelical Literature Service)
Coz this is proof that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD & not Ahnsanghong or his family.
Please note this is a recent testimony, So Jesus is still operating and not Mr. Ahnsanghong.
Please dear COG youngsters don’t get flooded with the half truth of COGWM Coz Jesus is the TRUE GOD.
Revelation Chapter 1 : 8, Jesus said – I AM the Alpha & the Omega, the beginning and the end.
Revelation Chapter 1 : 18 – I am the one who lives, and was dead and BEHOLD I am alive forever more Amen. I alone have the keys of Hades and of Death.
And COG please read Revelations Chapter 5 : 9 …………….. for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood ………
Listen people, Jesus was slained for us, & NOT Ahnsanghong …. Please open your bibles and read more than to just get stuck to COG’s false predictions.
I am worried coz I was following it & am out now, But my friends who never use to read the Bible are still blindly stuck coz everything sounded so new for them that they had to believe.
Stop trapping innocent people COG please.
Isaiah 42 :8 God says “I WILL NOT SHAR MY GLORY WITH OTHER”
Please know that JESUS IS GOD & NOT ahnsanghong or his family.
Revelation Chapeter 7 verse 10 says : Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne & to the Lamb. (That is Jesus.)
The word of God does not mention anywhere that salvation belong to Ahnsanghong the other 2 member of his family.
Please come out of this trap & ask forgiveness & RETURN TO JESUS.
Peace be upon you all.
We as Christians should pray for the COG members so they may know the truth & come back to Jesus.
Jeus, we still love you.
By: Love of Jesus Christ on July 28, 2008
at 5:50 pm
Dear Ed, ( looks like you are a COG Member)
Jesus loves you,
You wish to answer all my questions & doubt ? OK. May God bless you ?
I have been asking questions on this blogg since the 11th July 2008, you just have to get on to my previous mails & prepare to reply me in line, on this blogg itself.
Since then I havent received any proper reply from you members of COG. Some one come & disappears others just state one line “YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND, YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND”.
My brother if you have understood then why want we, the word of God is open to all, then why not save all. Right. But you are trying in vain, COZ YOU JUST HAVE THE FALSE TRUTH WITH YOU.
In line to all my questions in my above mail, I would request to ALSO reply me my 2 main doubts : Have you read Ahnsanghong predictions in his early book :
Ahnsanghong mentioned in his book –
“The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life”, in chapter 12 he writes: about the second coming of Christ on 1967 or 1988.
Despite his death three years before his prediction of Jesus’ return.”
How can someone predict that someone is coming and be that person?
1988 – Where is the second coming ? why didnt he fulfill his word itself???
What do the church leaders say about his first two prophecies in 1967 and 1988.
And moreover he has also mentioned in his book –
“But only “Jesus” can be the Savior’s name, not only at his first coming, but even in the last days”.
What do you have to say about this ?
He did not proclaim he was a god while he was alive! He wrote books in his books – “beleive in Jesus” & that Jesus would be the second coming christ, not himself.
Then why are you forcing him to be God, Jesus had declared with his own mouth that he was the son of God but Ahnsanghong dint……….
Then why are you guys not understanding & following Ahnsanghong instructions ?
Come out of it Ed !!!!!
You say He is God…. But then he himself is mentioning some thing about the 2nd coming of Jesus & is asking us to believe in Jesus & be like Jesus.
What more shud we understand?
Don’t you get the clear picture……….All that’s happened is that some one is playing with his predictions & making use of his name after his death.
If you say he is your God then why an’t you believing his own words, Ed ?
Can you ask your MJ to give you the copies of his books, and read it your self & find the truth?
Listen ITS JESUS & no one else.
Bible say “Salvation belongs to HIM who sits on the throne & to the LAMB” that is God Jehova & JESUS alone.
Listen Jesus is the Bridgroom & we make his bride, by keeping our self pure & spotless. JESUS is Immanuel ( GOD WITH US)
Besides you speak about Zion :
Listen Pslams 125 says : Those who trust in the Lord are like Mount Zion which cannot be moved but abides forever.
You speak about the feast of slaying the Lamb :
JESUS THE SON OF GOD IS THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN FOR US …. WE DO NOT NEED TO OFFER OTHER LAMBS ON EARTH TO PLEASE GOD….
BECOZ HE WAS ONE SACRIFICE OFFERED FOR OUR SINS FOREVERR.
Revelations Chapter 5 : 9 …………….. for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood ………
Ed,
Can you reply me clearly, all my mails And the above questions too?
Everytime a new Cog member comes & speaks everything else leaving the questions requested ?
Please don’t explain the local robot words? Please speak to the points.
& RETURN BACK TO JESUS. HE IS WAITING FOR YOU.
By: Love of Jesus Christ on July 29, 2008
at 2:46 pm
i noticed the last post was answered. i wonder why? i’m goin to a study w. my friend tonight and i will ask them about the prophesies. i wonder what they will say??
i don’t believe in the teachings of church of god. my friend does though and i’m trying to get her out.
pray for her please!
By: Kay on September 17, 2008
at 12:45 am
oops.. i mean i noticed the last post was NOT answered.
By: Kay on September 17, 2008
at 4:57 am
Interesting views expressed on both sides here on C.O.G. Would have appreciated more answer to questions.
How many Churches are their in Canada?
Where is it possible to buy translated material of Ahnsanghong?
How often does Joo Cheol Kim travel overseas to spread C.O.G’s word? What books has Kim authored?
By: Gunsan Kid on September 30, 2008
at 10:11 pm
I was in this cult.I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.You have flashes of terrible spirits trying to get you.I would often have nightmares.(they teach that anyone outside of their cult is the devil or under his spells and tricks,and they aren’t saved)But God says himself all through the bible that he wants everyone to come to repentence.Its like scientology.They don’t tell you certain stuff til you get to the next level.Than I found fault with many things.Like how they try to justify their own sick actions.They told me to cut off my family and divorce my husband.Than I could be free to marry within the church.Because they are they only ones saved.Our deaconess called off her marriage to her fiance of 6 yrs and then married a member.My husband has never been unfaithful,abusive or anything-so to separate this union God made one,no man can do.God even says that in the bible.They didn’t like when I showed them that.In fact they had my friend not speak to me,and they had her change her phone number so we could no longer speak.Passover is true, as well as sabbath.Thats how they grab you.They are like no one has this.but the bible also says to worship in spirit AND truth.The guy they call the holy spirit claimed the second coming christ would come in 1985.Which would make the baptism for him in 2015.Because Jesus was baptized at 30 and he had to follow the order of malchezedek which according to their study Jesus failed to serve.(he died 3 yrs. later to fulfill his own prophecy of his death.)They were really mad I found out about the guy they claim to be their father making that prediction.So to worship that woman would not be in truth.I’ll pray to my father and keep my salvation.God allowed me to see the red flags almost too late.
By: a on October 1, 2008
at 10:27 pm
the books have an isbn # but when I searched they are fake.They won’t let the general public view it(because they claim they are satan)For real.
By: a on October 1, 2008
at 10:30 pm
First of all, I haven’t read through all of these responses, but I did read about halfway through and this is directed at Ryan.
Ryan, why is Christ’s return in the form of a Korean? Jesus came in the form of a Galilean, a Jew from the “bottom rung of society”. Since Jesus’ death, God’s plan included Gentiles as well, but his chosen people has always been Israel. So, why is He now switching to Koreans?
Another issue I have is that you keep saying that the Bible HAS to mean this and it HAS to mean that. I’m sorry, are you God, the author of the Bible? No matter what you think, I can answer that question for you. The answer is no. You are human just like me and the Bible is open to each human’s interpretation, thus why we have different denominations. You’re simply interpreting the Bible the way you see it and understand it.
Also, I noticed you said this:
“Wow, you people just do not get it. It is like talking to a wall.
But what shall I expect talking to people who do not belong to God. Their are children of light and children of dark.
Children of God and children of Satan. Read the Bible.
Your babble speak and convoluted logic is more than I can bare.
But it’s all good because YOU ARE GOD!
I feel sorry for you fools.”
Besides this little rant sounding absolutely psychotic (and I’m talking medically speaking), you keep accusing people of not reading their Bible, but they’re quoting scripture in their responses to you. Where do you think they got those verses if not from the Bible? This makes it sound as if logic elludes you, which only gives strength to my (and apparently other people’s) opinion that you are simply brainwashed and, despite what you claim, are not thinking and interpreting for yourself.
My main issue is something that I just found out. How many of your “teachers” take it upon themselves to regularly rape young girls? I personally know of a 4 year old little girl who was raped under the care of her father who gave her to this “teacher”. Is this a part of your religion or is this just a single case of a pedophile masquerading as a church leader? I’m sincerely hoping it’s the latter.
By: Catherine on October 2, 2008
at 1:19 am
Anti-enemies of cog:
“Dark Angel said: “Anti-enemies of cog, there’s no room for ebonics and “street slang” in heaven.”
Dark Angel you racist muthafucker. You have a problem because I’m black? Fuck you Dark Angel. I’ll fucking bust yo head you fucking cunt racist! Say something nigga and I ain’t gonna leave ya alone you piece of shit!”
Good luck getting into Heaven with a mouth and attitude like that. Where did Jesus ever talk with such disrespect to anyone like this? Oh, and I don’t know about anyone else on this board but yeah, I do have a problem with you and anyone else like you who has your “the world owes me” attitude. And it’s not as simple as the fact that you are a reverse racist.
By: Catherine on October 2, 2008
at 1:35 am
Hello Catherine. Are you a Christian? I’m assuming you are. Anyway you might be the one who can answer the contradictions of the Bible. My favorite denomination is COG because they are very knowledgable of the Bible. By the way, I’m an atheist. Also, it seems that you are very behind in this blog.
101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 – 16:
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
17. How many were the children of Zattu?
Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
18. How many were the children of Azgad?
One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
19. How many were the children of Adin?
Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
20. How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:2
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)
23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
Joram (Matthew 1:
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?
Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)
35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
One – a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two – a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
Yes (Mark 6:
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
No (Luke 9:9)
42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
No (John 1:32,33)
43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
Yes (John 1:32, 33)
No (Matthew 11:2)
44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)
45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
Yes (Matthew 21:12)
No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)
46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:3
Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)
50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-3
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilates court (John 19:14)
53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)
55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
Yes (Acts9:7)
No (Acts22:9)
56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
Yes (Acts 26:14)
No (Acts 9:7)
57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?
Yes (Acts 26:16-1
No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:
59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
He bought a field (Acts 1: 1
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
61. How did Judas die?
After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:1
62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?
Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:
Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
63. Who is a ransom for whom?
The Son of Man came…to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all… (I Timothy 2:5-6)
The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:1
64. Is the law of Moses useful?
Yes. All scripture is… profitable… (2 Timothy 3:16)
No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness… (Hebrews 7:1
65. What was the exact wording on the cross?
This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:3
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)
66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:5)
No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:2. When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
No. (John 12:27)
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)
74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?
Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46)
Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34)
75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
“It is finished” (John 19:30)
76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
Yes (Matthew 8:5)
No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
77.
Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
78.
God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
No (John 3:13)
Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)
80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)
82. When did the women buy the spices?
After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?
Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men … in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel – the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)
87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me… (John 20:11 to 17)
88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?
Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)
89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?
Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise … (Acts 1:4)
90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:2
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:2
The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)
92. Does God change his mind?
Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King… (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)
I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)
ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).
93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
94. Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
95. Who killed Saul?
Saul took his own sword and fell upon it…. Thus Saul died… (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
96. Does every man sin?
Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:
97. Who will bear whose burden?
Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)
98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days … (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee – two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)
By: Clark on October 2, 2008
at 8:23 pm
A- You said you were in this cult?? Can you please tell me how you got out? My friend is in this, she got baptized at the end of August, so its still fairly new, but we want to get her out ASAP!
Did someone have to pull you out or did you just realize it one day that they were lying?
I hope to hear back from you soon!
Any advice you can give me to help me friend get out would be great appreciated!
By: Kay on October 2, 2008
at 10:18 pm
Kay-I listened to my body.Like I said,I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.And once in the cult you don’t do anything.I wasn’t smoking cigarettes or anything.Someone with the government went 3 times and kept from me the findings until I had made my own decision to leave.I kept finding fault with their reasoning.Yes I had about 100 lessons.They kept “rebuking” me.It will be difficult for her to leave and luckily I’m really smart.They tell you to forget all of your thinking, but they also justify it by saying God gave us our minds for a reason.They have an excuse for every action they make.your only to watch movies at the place.And the music you listen to has to be their cds from Korea.Like I said above too,they asked me to cut off my family and my husband.I found over 100 explainations in the Bible not to do this.I have dreams of God often.I have physically and scientifically died 3 times in accidents.So at first I thought this was why I lived-to find this.The narrow gate isn’t with the church of God since I believe to follow the true one God(Elohim or not) this church is not it..I prayed that God keep me on his path and I’m to enter heaven at the end of my path.I learned to see things more spiritually though from all of this.A client of mine told me about the epedemic of cults.I thought no way would I ever be part of one.I thought I’d know.But this organization is huge.They pride their selves on manipulation.I believe in Passover.I don’t believe in praying everyday for the disaster to start.(they pray EVERYDAY for the end of the world!)And we were supposed to be happy about it!My girlfriend is now insane.I pray if she gets out she doesn’t slit her wrists.
Ask your friend why the guy they call Christ predicted second coming christ in 1985(which according to their study would make baptism at 30 yrs.2015)But they claim the end of the world in 2011-2012 latest.EVERY decade has an end of the world date.Bible says NO ONE knows that day or hour.So anything else is speculation.But according to their teachings their are only 7 days (1000 yrs make up each day.and we are supposed to be in the 6th)Certain things are true.The corruption of the catholic church,christmas really is fake and its awful(the pope wears a hat inscribed with 666)all kinds of truths/Like I said thats how they grab you.God is in our heart.And he says to follow it.I did and saved my soul.I’ll celebrate passover,pray continually with the lace(in corinthians it says to for woman-thats why jewish faith today is also twisted)the point is also that the things they teach wouldn’t make sense if each didn’t have their own faith.Gods plan is so huge.I believe its wrong for men,mere men to try to explain it.God also says not to judge anyone-YET THAT CULT JUDGES EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE.Bible says its sin for someone to know something and not do it.So for me not to sin I can’t go against my heart.Because in my heart is God.
Pray for your friend.They may also tell her the internet is the devil and for her not to listen to it.But I have dozens of friends that have to use this tool which God gave us, because God is over everything INCLUDING the devil,for online classes to graduate college.So is their education the devil too?Our deaconess was told school was most important so stay in it.You can’t justify your own sick actions for someone elses sanity.I found it sick to knowingly allow others into the same trap.I’ll preach the Bible and truths.This enviroment is toxic if you stay.Manipulation is toxic.
By: a on October 4, 2008
at 8:02 am
Clark, I thought I’d also post it here to make sure you get it. I’m just defending the existence of our God made known through Jesus Christ my personal savior.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 5:53 pm
A- Thanks for replying back to me. The more I read, the more scared I get for my friend. I don’t want to lose her even more to the cult, so I don’t bring it up anymore because whenever I did, we just fought about it.
I know that now all I can do is pray that God opens her eyes and has mercy on her.
Thank you!
By: Kay on October 7, 2008
at 11:53 pm
Kay-I get really scared for the people in it too.Especially the children.Its not her fault you two argue,they have a reason to explain everything they have.I knew someone who went often but wouldn’t get baptized.He was looking out for me.But when they know others are just there to watch,they put on a front and won’t tell everything.Its like if you have a party but your parents are upstairs.And your playing a kissing game.Well if the parents come down you might pretend you were doing nothing wrong.The FBI already knows about this.Let them deal with it.Pray and believe in your prayers.Thats one of the best tips I can help you with.Ask her why you can’t purchase the cd’s.Or the books.Or why the isbn#’s are fake.If something was so right and it was not only good in gods eyes it would also be legal.Like in the old testament they married more than one person.But today its illegal-you wouldn’t do that.So its also to sell books w/o ISBN #’s.Infact its also false advertising.There are many,MANY other things wrong with this church.I’ll pray for you both and any other people who are passive and easily taken advantage of.(There was a lot of woman who had been in abusive relationships,or people who are searching for truth and honesty-so it would seem that this was what your looking for.)
By: a on October 9, 2008
at 9:47 am
Anti-Church of God haters,
Beware! Your websites are gonna get hack if you guys continue to discriminate or prejudice the Church of God and it’s members. You guys have been warned!
By: Elijah on October 16, 2008
at 4:38 pm
Elijah, who is going to hack the website? I saw you boasting on another website. Is the person doing the hacking the coming doing this from the church at
3230 S Fair Lane, Tempe, Az
32714 County Rd 473, Leesburg, Fl
230 W 7th St. Deer Park, TX
177 S Bloomingdale Rd, Bloomingdale, Il
9400 Valerio St. Reseda, Ca
Shall I continue with addresses? Do you want a few more addresses? Ariel photos and driving instructions for all the churches?
A true, good Christian church would not turn away new people any weekend with a thirst for the word of God. It would not close its doors to the poor, the homeless and the old. What times Elijah does the American cog have its services?
What was last weekend’s sermon on?
Martin Luther King talked of the truth winning out in the end, the cog in the end cannot hide the truth, the cog is just making things worse by hacking websites. The key facts are easily re-typed.
By: Gunsan Kid on October 16, 2008
at 9:00 pm
How is it prejudice if its truth?And aren’t you all about the “truth”?I was in the church.It is fake.Sorry for you but the narrow gate is not with that church.You too are easily mislead into Mans traditions!!!!
By: a on October 17, 2008
at 4:58 am
I was (am) member of cog for 4 months,
I was searching for the truth and studying the bible for a long time. One day they (preachers of cog) came at my door and were preaching the so called truth of god. They told me about our Mother God, sabbatsday and passover. I was really glad to be able to share the bible writtings with other persons. I was always alone and didnt know how to interpretate the bible correctly. after 2 hours I decided to get baptized and in 15 minutes a man arrived to baptize me. He baptized me and in this ceremony he called the name of ahn sang hong nim. When I heard this name I felt a little bit uncomfortable. After this (2 days later) I went to Zion (so called church of God) and in all the songs we had to call his name ASH, or they were singing about mother god. While I was singing I felt a bit of a cold and was shaking. I felt really sad. Normally I was reading the Bible at my one and heart about JHV and Jesus Christ but these names were really new for me. I went to church for 5 or 6 weeks and my family and friends said I was changed. I lost my spontaniousity and sense of humour. After a while there was an examination of the biblestudy and I had the highest score and they gave me a present. I could buy some books voor a price of ten euro’s (books written by ash). I felt really great! I was recognizing the truth! But every time I went to church I had strange feeling something wasn’t correct. I’d never like the name ahn sang hong. Really… I was scared when I was pronouncing this name… I felt really bad. My heart didnt allow me to worship this name.
after a while I decided to leave the cog. But I still have some mixed feelings. They had some good points I was standing for… keeping Sabbatsday like Jesus… keeping God’s Feasts, who forbid us? who changed this rules? Constatine? Why shouldnt we do this anymore. Why go tho Church at sunday? Is this allowed? Can we still get God’s blessings? COG member avoid a lot of simple questions like: what was the origing of mother God, who were here parents, did she have children, did she had a relationship with Anhn sang hong etc. But my question is, why did we changed some of God rules. Perhaps because we are not slaves of the law anymore. I don’t know. Please help me out with these questions. It seems many Christians cant also answer this question.
Hope you can help me…
By: Lost sheep on October 17, 2008
at 7:40 am
Lost Sheep
read these scriptures for yourself. They will bring you peace. The Holy spirit will confirm them to you. I don’t have to convince you for His sheep hear his voice!
John 10:27 The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me.
anything that tries to take your eyes of The Lord Jesus Christ is of the enemy.
When something does not feel right is the Holy Spirit speaking to us.
There is so much you are learning right now. Take one step at a time. Follow Jesus, Pray be at peace he will direct your path’s.
You have a personal Relationship with the Lord. Read The word for yourself. Don’t let man interpretations get in the way. He will meet you where you at. Walking with the Lord is a process. Please don’t fall in to legalism for we are not perfect. If someone give you a scripture and tries to justify there opinion and not sure that is the truth. Please study the word on your own. Read the entire story. Context is everything and many false prophets take the word of God out of contacts.
Even Satan use the word of God out of context. example Matthew 4:6 said unto Him, “If Thou be the Son of God, cast Thyself down. For it is written: `He shall give His angels charge concerning thee; and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.'”
Also be reminded that our struggle is not against flesh and blood.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Romans 8:35-39:
35Who shall ever separate us from Christ’s love? Shall suffering and affliction and tribulation? Or calamity and distress? Or persecution or hunger or destitution or peril or sword?
36Even as it is written, For Thy sake we are put to death all the day long; we are regarded and counted as sheep for the slaughter.(A)
37Yet amid all these things we are more than conquerors [a]and gain a surpassing victory through Him Who loved us. 38For I am persuaded beyond doubt (am sure) that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities, nor things [b]impending and threatening nor things to come, nor powers, 39Nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Focus on Christ
I put m hope in your unfailing love, and I know your eyes are upon me. Psalm 33:18
I know that God gives me hope and will keep me happy and full of peace. Romans 15:13
He directs my path when I seek him. Proverbs 3:5-6
I am free from condemnation. Romans 8:1-2
My faith will be amongst those that he finds when The Son of Man returns. Luke 18:8
I am redeemed and forgiven of all my sins! Colossians 1:14
I TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL MY HEART, NOT LEANING ON MY OWN UNDERSTANDING.Proverbs 3:5
The last scripture i want to give you please guard with all your heart! Please
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me.
There is no other way to God but through Jesus Christ
Love You Lost Sheep
I will be praying for you
is you have any question you can contact me at mickeyblue1983@yahoo.com
By: Alicia on October 17, 2008
at 2:10 pm
Hi all, i’ve been following (almost like an obsession) forums and other related sites that have info about CoG.
I can easily say that this group is a cult, considering all its practices, its means of doing things and how i have family members (my aunt and two cuzns) have been sucked into it so deeply (i think about 4 yrs now) to the point of not even seeing one of my cuzns in about 3 yrs.
I am in the Philippines and there are many Koreans here. Apparently, a lot of them are from other cults who were sent here to “preach” their gospels. Strange enough, most of CoGs teaching are very similar to teaching from other Cults in Korea (try comparing CoG with this church: http://sajc.or.kr/eng/).
My aunt, during her first year, tried to get us to believe their doctrines. With the help of her deacon (or whatever he is, they say pastor bt he didnt even know much except for wat was on the script that he had) they tried to convince us of their teachings. Being raised in a Christian family (non-denominational, but some would call us Born-Again, although my family isn’t perfect, i can admit that), i have grown up and moved from church to church (all of the same faith), gathering as much knowledge i could about God and Jesus and everything that he promised for my life. So I (even my family, but im the most assertive member :p) was very equipped to counter their claims.
They gave up preaching to us (my direct family, and other extended Christian family members) for about 3 or 4 yrs (which was just a few weeks ago). My auntie came back with her pastor to preach exactly the same things in hope that we would be a little more open this time. The funny thing is, they go around and around and around and around…. for hours on end, teaching about a CLOUD and PASSOVER and SABBATH. Its just ridiculous how people can be so easily deceived by the devil. When we ask them who the Second Coming is, they just smile and ask us to go to their church to find out. Now i don’t know about you, but that’s just silly. In our Bible studies, when a new comer comes forth and asks questions, we answer all that we can, not hiding anything and say “Come to church to find out”. The point is to win their soul for God, not to keep them in suspense just to find out that a dead Korean guy is Jesus & the Holy spirit at the same time, a deaf Korean Woman being the Holy Spirit and Mother “God” too. Its just silly.
The main thing i noticed from all the research i did (ive been researching because my aunt and her pastor keep appearing to preach at our home), it seems that this church is very destructive. They preach about the end being near, rather than living in love. We all know the world will end, and it might be soon. But why do we have to be so concentrated on the END when we can concentrate on living NOW? I don’t think the Bible gives us these warnings of the end to scare us and make us focus on it (I could be wrong), but the point of the END being there is to allow us to see that Living in LOVE, no matter when the end is, will give us the satisfaction in life that God intended. Does anyone think God put us on earth, just to anticipate death or the end? That would be so sad.
“From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms. But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the LORD only if his prediction comes true.” (Jeremiah 28:8-9)
Does CoG preach peace? Or destruction? Looks to me that it’s the latter.
Also, why is everything a secret or a mystery? They always say that if you believe (in Ahnsahnghong), that things that were hidden in the bible will be revealed. I don’t know about you, but I am very sure that Jesus already came to reveal whatever was needed to be revealed. Everything else that God keeps from us (immortality, man levitating, etc. jst a little tease), will always be kept from us and God will not reveal it.
Deu 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Definitely, there a lot inconsistencies in their teachings; none of which are solidly backed up with proof. Even though they say its from the Bible, they twist the passages to fit their claims. Everything that “outsiders” say are opinions of man. I say, that’s true, but so are their theories about Constantine abolishing Sabbath and Passover, and the Catholic Church being the Beast, etc. All are opinions or thoughts of men. If they believe that only the Bible is fact, and no other historic material is credible, then why use the theories i mentioned above? Talk about inconsistencies.
In regard to their “parables” and “symbols”, such as the cloud and mother jerusalem, i have a problem with their interpretations too. Not just because they completely made something out of nothing, but also because they choose which parts are symbols and which parts are not. For example, their “New Name” theory. They consider the white stone, the clouds and everything else there are a symbol, yet the “New Name” is literal? I don’t get it. If the passage is a parable then the whole thing is meant to use symbols for all aspects.
Also, what is a parable?
1. A parable is a short story (usually being indicated with a title in the Bible) and 2. made up of several parts.
A parable is one of the simplest of narratives. It sketches a setting, describes an action, and shows the results. It often involves a character facing a moral dilemma, or making a questionable decision and then suffering the consequences.
There are a lot of different arguments on the blogs and forums that i’ve been reading. I could care less about the other topics (non-CoG topics) because my mission is to know more about CoG and how to break down the clutches of Satan on God’s people. CoG worshipping a different “Christ” is just the devil distracting us from WHO REALLY MATTERED/MATTERS/WILL ALWAYS MATTER – JESUS CHRIST! THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION!
I end with this prayer..
Heavenly Father,
May your Wisdom and Knowledge be upon Your children to counter the enemy’s works. I ask that all who continue in the Name of Jesus Christ, be given the strength to stand firm in order to break the bondage of sin and to trample on the devil under our feet. Allow each and every person here, to have discernment, so that we cannot be easily fooled. For it is written in Psalm 119:125 “I am your servant; give me discernment that I may understand your statutes”. For You have given us this gift to think, therefore, no one should take it away.
For Your children that have been fooled by the devil, I ask that You help them see the light. The light, not to blind them, but to lead them to the right path of righteousness. May Your grace and mercy be upon us always.
This I pray, in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Saviour!
Amen.
By: ben on November 12, 2008
at 2:41 pm
question to COG-members:
I’ve read Ahnsahnghong’s book, “The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life.” And I was surprised to see that for someone who is supposed to be God, he made mistakes in referencing the Bible. Or was he purposely contradicting or twisting the words of the Bible?
Here are a few that I found. Are there more–does he do this in his other books too? Or is it that I’m the one making the mistake and there are logical explanations for these? (I don’t think so–I’ve rechecked these several times…, but I’m human and I do make mistakes.) Or perhaps he was making reference to a different Scripture, but then why didn’t he say that? Am I expecting too much of someone who is supposed to be God?
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1. On page 105 he writes, “Although the people of Judah seemed like they were observing God’s laws, they neither realized the Passover, the greatest commandment in the law, nor kept it.”
But in Matthew 22:36-38, Jesus says that the greatest commandment is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” If the Passover was the greatest commandment, why didn’t Jesus say so?
2. On page 327, he uses Proverbs 8:22-31 to support the idea of people living as angels in heaven before coming to earth, saying that this passage speaks of Solomon existing before the world began.
But if you read the whole chapter, especially verse 12, it shows that the “I” in this passage is “Wisdom,” not Solomon.
3. On page 449, he says in reference to the first Passover, “Even Egyptians who put the lamb’s blood on their houses were saved.” And he notes a reference to Exodus 12:12-14, 37-38.
Though I’m sure God would have spared them if they did, there’s no mention of Egyptians putting the Lamb’s blood on their houses anywhere in Exodus 12. Verse 30 even says that no Egyptian house was spared.
4. On page 465, he writes, “Jesus Christ went up to the temple and preached every day during the Feast of Tabernacles, and on the last day of the feast He said:” (followed by a quote from John 7:37-39).
But if you read John chapter 7, verse 14 says, “Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.”
Is there a COG-member who can explain this?
By: Jezus is great! on December 16, 2008
at 8:11 am
Edited: I have no time for stupid posts like these. Removed.
By: jewl on January 15, 2009
at 4:37 am
question to any ex cog members: how did you wake up to the fact that this is a cult? what did it for you? Any passages in the bible to contradict their teachings?
need some answers to get my son out, he is deep into this cult for 6 months now. what do I do?
By: doxy on January 21, 2009
at 7:38 pm
This mob is dangerous. keep away
By: pete on January 22, 2009
at 12:41 pm
So many claims have been made against the World Mission Society Church of God, because this organization believes that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, and that Mother Jerusalem is the female image of God. These are facts that can be proven through the Bible.
Today is so easy to believe in the name of Jesus Christ, because is easily found in the New Testament, but most Christians today, the only thing they know about Jesus is the name.
In order to let brothers, sisters, the people who are interested, and the people who slander; understand more about this, I’ll take the initiative to make it clear for all. We will go back to the time of the disciples 2000 years ago, when the New Testament didn’t exist. The name Jesus is nowhere to be found in the Old Testament, and the only savior that you know is named Jehovah God. let us see why:
1. Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the Jehovah is God; besides him there is no other.
2. Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Jehovah is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.
3. Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
4. Isaiah 45:22
“Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
5. Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
6. Hosea 13:4
“But I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.
Now a Jewish carpenter around the age of 30 comes and claims that he is that same Jehovah God(John 10:30). He is single his whole life, he hangs around prostitutes, tax-collectors, fisher men, crippled, he rides around in a donkey, he fixed your door one year ago, you saw him grow, your children played with him, he lived in your town, you know his parents. Would you really believe he is your Messiah, God in the flesh????
Today it sounds ridiculous to think that he is not the Christ, but how about 2000 years ago?
By: Elijah on January 26, 2009
at 7:48 pm
Elijah, I don’t understand the point you are trying to make at all. Thanks Ben, you make alot of sense. This group is highly destructive. I’ve seen my friend go from a top student to a complete zombie under this cog.
By: pete on January 26, 2009
at 9:27 pm
Pete, read my post above again. Would you really believe in Jesus to be God if you were living in His time when He was alive? Remember, the New Testament wasn’t written yet and you only know the name of Jehovah as the one true God.
By: Elijah on January 26, 2009
at 10:12 pm
Now, let’s study the Key beliefs of the Church of God 2000 years ago, through the viewpoint of the Jewish people 2000 years ago. (Keep in mind the New Testament doesn’t exist, and the name of Jesus is nowhere to be found in the Old Testament)
1) The Messiah will be born as a man, this man came from Nazareth. We all well know the Messiah needs to come from Bethlehem.
Micah 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old from ancient times.”
2) The Messiah will not be seen by every eye when he comes, because he will be born as a man.But according to prophecy every eye will see him when he comes.
Isaiah 40:3-5 a voice of one calling: “In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God. Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain. And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.”
3) The Saviors name now is Jesus. A New name
4) Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah because he fulfilled several biblical prophecies.
5) King David began to rule over his kingdom at the age of 30, for this reason Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah because he began his ministry at the age of 30. In this way he sat on David’s Throne.
Isaiah 9:6-7 for to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
6) Jesus is the prophetical Moses because he fled to Egypt when King Herod ordered his execution, just like Moses was sent to Egypt when Pharaoh killed all the Hebrew babies.
Deut 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.
We all know Moses brought the plagues upon Pharaoh and Egypt. This Jesus of Nazareth did not do anything to free us from the bondage to the Romans.
7) History repeats itself. Just as the Prophets were rejected during their time, so the followers of this Jesus of Nazareth will be rejected and persecuted too.
Jer 20:7-9 O LORD, you deceived me, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed. I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me. Whenever I speak, I cry out proclaiming violence and destruction. So the word of the LORD has brought me insult and reproach all day long.
As prophesied this Jesus of Nazareth brought the New Covenant therefore he is the Messiah.
Jer 31:31 “The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
9) Our forefathers traditions are corrupted, and that we only follow rules taught by men rather than Gods commandments
10) The Way to the Father is only trough this carpenter Jesus of Nazareth , only he could let us know the will of the Father
11) The Pharisees and the Sadducees the scholars, all they are is a brood of vipers, he called us sons of the evil one.
12) This Jesus of Nazareth claims that in order for us to receive eternal life, we need to eat his flesh and drink his blood.
13) His believers claim that he resurrected from the dead, when we all know that during the night his followers took the body away.
Before we could examine theses claims we need to know, who this Jesus of Nazareth is, because today so many come, claiming that they are the Messiah, more now than ever.
By: Elijah on January 26, 2009
at 10:13 pm
Jesus was born to a devout Jewess named Mary and a carpenter named Joseph. It is claimed by his followers that Jesus was conceived by a miracle of the Holy Spirit before the couple had gotten married. His followers also claim that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because the Roman emperor had decreed that all families register for a census in their ancestral hometowns. Some followers do not discuss Jesus’ birth; they begin their narratives with Jesus’ adulthood. What are they hiding?
His followers are virtually silent when it comes to Jesus’ early life, but some information can be inferred from references elsewhere. Jesus was from a small town called Nazareth, where he probably trained as a carpenter under his father. And they believe this carpenter to be God.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, a Semitic language related to Hebrew, though it seems he knew enough Greek to converse with Roman officials during his ministry. How can God not speak all the languages, why only Aramaic?
His followers offer only one account of this period, in which a 12-year old Jesus wanders off from his parents in Jerusalem to discuss religion in the temple. When his frantic parents finally track him down, Jesus asks, “Didn’t you know I would be in my Father’s house?”
Jesus reenters his follower’s narratives at about the age of 30 (circa 26 AD). All of his followers agree that Jesus’ first act was to be baptized by John the Baptist, a charismatic and ascetic figure who called people to repentance and baptized those who responded. This event marked the beginning of Jesus’ ministry. What is Baptism anyways, how does that symbolize that he is God?
After the baptism, several of John’s followers left to follow Jesus. Jesus then selected several others until he had established a group of 12 disciples. All of them are unschooled, people of course they would follow that ringleader.
Jesus then spent from one to three years teaching and working miracles among his disciples and before large crowds. His acclaimed miracles included turning water to wine, walking on water, cursing a fig tree, healing the sick, multiplying a small meal to feed a crowd, casting out demons, and even raising a man from the dead. He wasn’t the only one performing miracles at that time.
The teachings of Jesus focused primarily on the “the kingdom of God” and were usually relayed through parables drawing on familiar images from agricultural life. He rebuked us, calling us hypocrites, the Jewish leaders yet he taught the importance of love and kindness, even to one’s enemies.
While Jesus’ teachings were fundamentally Jewish, they departed significantly from the Jewish law of his day. Perhaps most astonishing of all was that he taught on his own authority. Whereas Jewish prophets had always prefaced their messages with “thus saith the Lord,” Jesus said things like, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.'” How blasphemous.
Jesus’ popularity grew quickly, but so did opposition from local leaders. Roman rulers were uncomfortable with the common perception that he was the Messiah who would liberate the Jews from Roman rule, while Jewish leaders were disquieted by Jesus’ shocking interpretations of Jewish law, his power with the people, and the rumor that he had been alluding to his own divinity.
Jesus repeatedly suggests to his disciples his end is near, but they do not fully understand or accept the idea. The clearest expression of this is at the “Passover,” which took place on the night before his death. All of his followers acclaim Jesus shared bread and wine with his disciples, asking them to “do this in remembrance of him”. He taught his followers to celebrate the Passover with bread and wine, instead of the traditional Passover lamb.
On this evening Jesus also predicts that one of them will betray him, which is met with astonishment and denial. But that very night, Jesus’ fate was sealed when Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples and possibly the group’s treasurer, led Roman soldiers to Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. As they arrested Jesus, the ever-colorful Peter defended his master with a sword, slicing off the ear of a centurion. But he was rebuked by Jesus, who admonished, “Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.”
Jesus was brought before the Jewish chief priests for trial. When questioned, he said very little but affirmed he was the Messiah. He was then judged worthy of death for blasphemy and handed over to the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, for punishment. Although reluctant to condemn Jesus for reasons not entirely clear, Pilate sentenced Jesus to death at the insistence of the mob that had gathered. According to some of his followers, when Judas learned of the sentence he threw his silver coins into the temple and hanged himself.
Jesus was brutally beaten, clothed in a mock-royal purple robe and crown of thorns, and then executed by crucifixion at Golgotha (The Place of the Skull). This method of execution, apparently a Roman invention, entailed nailing or tying the victim’s hands and feet to a wooden cross. It produced a slow, painful death by asphyxiation.
The believers report that only Jesus’ mother and a handful of female disciples were present at the execution. Jesus suffered on the cross for six hours before finally crying out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” and breathing his last. The followers report extraordinary events upon Jesus’ death – the entire land went dark, there was a great earthquake, and the temple curtain was torn in half. If he is God, why didn’t he come down of the Cross?
Jesus’ body was taken down from the cross by Joseph of Arimathea, and placed in a tomb carved into rock. Again, Jesus’ mother and one or two other women were the only ones present. These same devoted women came to his tomb the first day of the week early in the morning to anoint his body with spices. When they arrived, they were astonished to find the stone covering the entrance to the tomb had been rolled away, and the tomb was empty.
All his followers vary somewhat in their reports as to what happened next, but all generally agree that the women told the other disciples but their story was not believed. But the risen Jesus later appeared to the disciples, where he passed through a locked door yet demonstrated he was not a ghost by eating and allowing himself to be touched. He made several other appearances among various groups before ascending into heaven.
The resurrection of Jesus is central to the early church. Historically, it may be impossible to determine what happened or what the disciples actually experienced, but one thing seems clear – they sincerely believed, from an early date that Jesus had been raised from the dead. Yet only his believers saw this, nobody else.
By: Elijah on January 26, 2009
at 10:14 pm
I still don’t understand the point you are trying to make.
By: pete on January 27, 2009
at 2:43 pm
You must be from church of god cause you’ve written a whole thesis!
By: pete on January 27, 2009
at 3:02 pm
Wonderful Elijah, simply wonderful! I shall use this wonderful post to debunk the erroneous teachings of the CoG.
Elijah said:
“In order to let brothers, sisters, the people who are interested, and the people who slander; understand more about this, I’ll take the initiative to make it clear for all. We will go back to the time of the disciples 2000 years ago, when the New Testament didn’t exist. The name Jesus is nowhere to be found in the Old Testament, and the only savior that you know is named Jehovah God. let us see why:”
1. Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the Jehovah is God; besides him there is no other.
Jamie says: Yes, that’s right. There’s also no such thing as Mother God. This verse explicitly says so.
2. Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Jehovah is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.
Jamie: Yes, once again the Bible is very clear: There is no such thing as a Mother God.
3. Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
Jamie: Exactly, there is no other Rock except God, and no such thing as a Mother God
4. Isaiah 45:22
“Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Jamie: Same thing, no such thing as a Mother God and God Himself is saying so.
5. Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
Jamie: No such thing as a Mother God once again.
6. Hosea 13:4
“But I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.
Jamie: Once again, no such thing as a Mother God. Exactly what the people on this blog have been saying again and again, except that the CoG loonies keep on ignoring it.
By: Jamie on January 29, 2009
at 8:19 am
Doxy, please check out this forum. It should help somewhat. Just keep praying for the truth to be revealed.
http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz/forum/
By: Jamie on January 29, 2009
at 8:23 am
Dear Jamie,
you can believe what you want to believe by doing so you are fullfilling prophesy. And I will believe in what i choose to believe in. that is my free will and agency to do so. and we will be judged accordingly.
I have read most of this back and forward banter between you and others and frankly no one is any expert, and least of all me… never read all the bible but i do know that God is the only Judge. so stop trying to be judge, jury and executioner all in one.
I suppose if i said i was a Church of God member you would stone me, what if i said i was catholic, mormon, or some other denomination you find other ways to attack, and string me up on a cross.
I DO NOT know much but when God DOES APPEAR again in all his Glory whether that be in clouds or disguised by a cloud or as a burning bush, or even on a fricking madi gra float in a parade who are we to know the set times and plans of God. God is all mighty and powerful you can not tell God what he can or carn’t do or even who he chooses to be.
If you do know ALL Jamie and we are so misguided then why didn’t God appoint you to write the bible.
You even talk about jesus being God but you quote hosea 13.4 saying to only acknowledge Jehovah not Jesus, why don’t we all accept that neither you or i are experts.
call me what you will ignorant ,a loonie, a fruit loop frankly i do not care. OUR only concern should be what would God think???? not of what we think of each other.
let people fulfill their own prophecy and final destination by letting them choose what they want to believe in, apparently there is only room for 144 thousand in the end so my guess the minority religion may be right not a major one, but that is just a math equation.
anyway God bless take care have a great day oh and if anyone wants to make fun of me or be cruel to me for this entry go ahead that will just prove your character, and what you really believe in .Jesus led by example so show a good example…
By: Isabela on January 29, 2009
at 6:05 pm
Thanks jamie,
Can’t begin to tell you how hard this is.I appreciate your knowledge of the bible as this is probably the only way to tackle the COG. Trying to disprove these insane beliefs with ACCURATE interpretations of the bible. I do refer to alot of these forums and they are helpful.
Isabella I do agree with you also “God is all mighty and powerful you can not tell God what he can or can’t do or even who he chooses to be”. excellent point. however when you are talking to a cog member it is difficult to say anything as they keep at you with bible passages and salvation rubbish.
Jamie is just there to help desperate people like me whose family has been broken by this cult.
By: doxy on January 29, 2009
at 8:14 pm
Isabella, it appears that you have misconceptions about my motivations for this post and the replies above. It matters not, for as you say, we shouldn’t be a judge, jury or executioner. Therefore, it affects me not that you judge me to be someone who attacks people of differing beliefs.
Just a small note:
“OUR only concern should be what would God think????”
What would God think if I refused to help someone like doxy who asked for assisstance in dealing with a cult that has been proven to damage and destroy families and lives? Did not Jesus say that if I help the least of my brethren, I am helping Him? Read Matthew 25:34 onwards.
Furthermore, Jude 3 tells us we should contend earnestly for our faith. Shall I then ignore what happens when a CoG member comes up to me and tells me that Jesus already came again as a man, died again and is off doing something who knows where? Especially as evidence about the so called Christ Ang Sahn Hong, when surveyed with logic and reason, mixed with prayer, show that what they teach is erroneous? They are not the first cult to preach legalism and deny the message of the cross, failing to understand that remembering the cross is not equal to worshiping the cross. He that denies the message of the cross is Antichrist. That is what 1 John 2:22 says.
Shall I let them continue to draw away innocents who don’t know better? Ezekiel 3:18 would require their blood at my hands. I would be committing the sin of omission.
No, I cannot sit idly by and watch as they lead many down the wide path of destruction. Had our early church fathers done the same, Marcion and his heretics would have established Antinomianism as the norm.
I do not condemn anyone. I speak out against the erroneous teachings of the CoG and the hypocritical behavior of the CoG posters on my blog.
P.S. You say “You even talk about jesus being God but you quote hosea 13.4 saying to only acknowledge Jehovah not Jesus, why don’t we all accept that neither you or i are experts.”
I accept that. But the Bible never says AngSahnHong is Jesus nor Jehovah.
I am not an expert, but I have been trained in theology and am educated enough to know how to do my research.
P.P.S. What the Catholics and other Protestant denominations do are fine with me. We are all Christians. But the Mormons have added a whole “book” to the bible on flawed premises, which is heresy to me, while the CoG also preaches error.
By: Jamie on January 30, 2009
at 8:39 am
A group is called a cult because of their behaviour – not their doctrines. Most religious cults do teach what the Jewish temple would declare to be heresy but some do not. Some cults teach the basics of the Jewish faith but have behavioural patterns that are abusive, controlling and cultic.The key is that they will be using deception, coercive mind control or undue influence on their members, often by forcing their followers to reflect on non-essential doctrines (i.e not related to the law issues), acts of physical repetition or group conditioning.
These cult groups typically base their teachings around central doctrines of the Jewish faith and then add the extra authority of the leadership or someone’s particular teachings. They revolve around the interpretations of the leadership, and submissive and unquestioning acceptance of these interpretations is essential to be a member of good standing.
Identification Marks(a) The group will have an ELITIST view of itself in relation to others, and a UNIQUE CAUSE. i.e THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES RIGHT – everyone else is wrong. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING GOD’S WILL – everyone else is in hipocrasy.(b) Concerned only with recruiting and growing, they will promote their cause actively, and in doing so, abuse God-given personal rights, individual spiritual gifts, individual talents and individual freedoms. This abuse can be THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL, SOCIAL & PSYCHOLOGICAL.How They Do This
1. Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God.
Matthew 28:18
18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
2. They believe they are the only true church and take a critical stance regarding the Jewish temple while at the same time praising and exalting their own group, leader/s and work.
John 14:6
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
3. They use intimidation or psychological manipulation to keep members loyal to their ranks. This could be in the form of subtle threats of dire calamity sent by God if they leave; certain death at Armageddon/last days, being shunned by their family and friends etc.
Luke 13:3
3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
4. There will be great emphasis on loyalty to the group and its teachings. The lives of members will be totally absorbed into the group’s activities.
Acts 2:46
46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts
5. There will be total control over almost all aspects of the private lives of members. This control can be direct through communal living, or constant and repetitious teaching on how to be a true Israelite or being obedient to leadership. Members will look to their leaders for guidance in everything they do.
Philippians 2:5
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus
6. Law and Prophets cults may proclaim they have no clergy/laity distinction and no paid ministry class – they they are all equal.
Galatians 3:28
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
7. Any dissent or questioning of the group’s teachings is discouraged. Criticism in any form is seen as rebellion. There will be an emphasis on authority, unquestioning obedience and submission. This is vigilantly maintained.
2 Timothy 4:10
10for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia
8. Members are required to demonstrate their loyalty to the group in some way. They may be required give up their lives by quitting school or work or even their families.
Luke 18:28-30
28Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”
29″I tell you the truth,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life.”
Today, these claims are used against the World Mission Society Church of God. But those who believe in Jesus Christ now will be using the same accusations if they were living during His time.
By: Elijah on January 31, 2009
at 4:18 am
Hi Jamie,
I do applaud you for your patience and persistence. Indeed these people are trying to make you feel guilty by telling u that u r attacking them, rather than see that we are fighting not the flesh, but the war in the spiritual realm.
I would also like to point out that God’s name is not Jehovah! If CoG was a little more knowledgeable, or if they would actually go out there and research, the name “Jehovah” was an official translation that the early church created because they themselves did not know how to pronounce the word, which was derived from the letters YHWH. If any CoG member (or anyone else) is interested than please read the following articles in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah
Also, if you research on it more, and use your spiritual minds, then you will also figure out that God does not have a personal name! We give each other names to identify ourselves. GOD is GOD, therefore he does not need a name! All the names that refer to God would be characteristics that the common language has attributed to God. Saying that God has/needs a name putting God to our level, when he certainly is not!
Thanks.
By: ben on February 2, 2009
at 3:27 pm
Furthermore, as God needed to do just that (come to our level), God became man, in the Man we call Jesus. The name Jesus is the English translation to the original Hebrew name Jeshua, which means “Salvation”. So the physical name which was needed for a man, was appropriately given to Him by the Father through the Angel to Mary. Jesus did not change his name. I’m sure I read somewhere that Ahnsahngman had to change his name or something and that Ahnsahngman means savior too. Hmmmm……….????
By: ben on February 2, 2009
at 3:40 pm
I’m sori. I spelled it Jeshua.
It is meant to be [b]Yeshua[/b].
Sori for the triple posts :)
By: ben on February 2, 2009
at 3:46 pm
Ben, in actuality I believe that God does have actual names as He is above all else interested in personal relationships with people. Without a name for people to know Him by, it’s harder to relate to Him. It’s truly a wonder that the God of the universe would introduce Himself to us on a relational level. As you say, God needing a name would put Him at our level. Yet isn’t that what God did in the form of Jesus, all the while retaining His distinctiveness from us?
God Himself humbled, made equal to our position in order to be the perfect sacrifice. In the same way, He brings Himself down to our level by telling us His names so that we can have a relationship with Him, yet He still retains his distinct position as the Almighty.
Throughout the Bible it is clear that the purpose of God’s names is to reveal to us His nature, and in doing so enable us to know Him more as a wonderful person (who is God at the same time). Thus I do believe that God has a name too. After all, in Revelation Jesus says that He will have a new name (Revelation 3:12).
By: Seeking Truth on February 2, 2009
at 4:07 pm
Ummm… I explained that already Seeking Truth. Did you read my whole post?
By: ben on February 3, 2009
at 9:19 am
Btw. The new name mentioned in Revelation, is not an actual personal name. If you study in depth as to how names are used in the bible, especially how God’s names come about, they are (as i mentioned before) related to his attributes, character, and purpose.
Jesus was here for our Salvation, hence his name being just that: Yeshua meaning Salvation. But Yeshua was his name for the physical.
Other examples of names given to God are: Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Rapha, Jehovah Nissi, etc. Each of these names have a meaning that relate to his character.
The new name in Revelation refers to his new purpose when he returns. He will no longer bring Salvation because Salvation has already come. His new name will be his new purpose. We will know that when he comes.
By: ben on February 3, 2009
at 9:27 am
Ben said, “I would also like to point out that God’s name is not Jehovah!………….GOD is GOD, therefore he does not need a name! ”
No Ben, the name of God in the age of the Father was YHWH or Jehovah as some pronounciations would spell it. Either way, God had a name. Just read the Old Testament, it is quite clear what God’s name was. You see Ben, you only make this claim to try and negate the fact that God changed his name, thereby helping you to persecute the new name of second coming Christ.
Ben said,
“The new name in Revelation refers to his new purpose when he returns. He will no longer bring Salvation because Salvation has already come.”
Looks again like Ben does not really know what the Bible says.
Hebrews 9:28 — so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
What Paul said and what Ben says are completely opposite. Then who should we listen to?? Ben, you act like you are some expert on the Bible, yet you contradict the words in the Bible so easily. It is obvious you do not believe in the words of the Bible.
This is not surprising though, considering what you wrote on another forum. You confessed that the Bible was written by man and not from God. Then you edited your post and said that “religion” is from man. The more you speak, the more you slip up exposing yourself of who you truly are.
You are not fooling anybody.
By: Jim on February 3, 2009
at 2:44 pm
Ok i’ll tell my experience, I have been in meditation for over 10 years, and never found anything that led me to the truth, until i was read the bible. There is a verse somewhere in the bible I think it’s Mark 4:10 that says. ” though you see. You do not see, though you hear, you do not hear….”
And it’s actually right, you can read the whole bible from cover to cover, but since you are blind you cannot really see what you want to see, because you do not hear what you need to hear. and when you heard, you did not listen…
The Catholic Religion hides the real truth of the Bible because it is not convenient for them to show the real words, They were the ones who locked the bible, before being in meditation I was catholic, and always thought of the Catholic church as a show. The Roman Catholic Emperor Constantine I. He abolished to Passover and called it communion, He took out words from the bible and burned the real scriptures, His god was the Sun, and made a day for the Sun to be worshipped on Sunday ( Sun-Day ) If you go to the last verse in Revelations it says that you should not take away or add anything to the bible, but constantine did so. Not to offend catholics, but he is considered the Anti-Crist. In order to understand, I encourage those that listened at first to whoever invited you.
By: Mario on February 4, 2009
at 6:44 am
@ Jim,
Typical of CoG not to read the whole post. I mentioned YHWH on my post and I explained what it meant. Also, u mentioned that you read my other posts on a different forum. Why didn’t you comment or counter anything I said there? Unless you actually are one of those people but are hiding behind a false name (which is not surprising). Can I ask you, did you celebrate New Years Eve? Or how about your birthday? If you did, then u participated in a pagan practice.
U quoted Hebrews 9:28. Why didn’t u elaborate more on it? Lack of explanation gets you no where. Note, the events in Revelation were not shown to Paul during his time preaching to the Hebrews. Now the scripture there is talking about how Christ came the first time to save man from sin by taking sin unto himself. Therefore, the Salvation brought by Jesus in his first coming was that of sin. The second time he comes, he will no longer carry sin as he was raised from the dead, leaving him pure once again. The Salvation mentioned by Paul, refers to the Salvation of the body. If you read the whole chapter and other translations (u used ISV) you can see how this is. Another translation refers to it as the completed Salvation (of the Spirit from sin, and the Body).
If you’re saying that Salvation wasn’t brought by Jesus the first time then his work on the cross was in vain. Salvation from the bondage of sin, is different from Salvation of the body. Now accepting the Salvation from sin is the pre-requisite for the Salvation of the body. If you believe that Ahnsahngman already came with the Salvation of the body, then that would mean CoG is no long subject to corruption of the body.
Off-topic: I read somewhere that CoG claims that none of their members will die by accident, murder, etc. They will only die natural deaths. That’s a very bold claim to make. Either way, your bodies will still be subject to corruption.
Jim, please do a little more research. I did not claim to be an expert on the Bible, nor do I feel that I am. I am still studying it as much as I can. Unlike CoG who only selects which parts to study and misuse verses to support their claims. If Ahnsahngman came to save you guys already, then why couldn’t he save himself from death or beyond as Jesus was able to?
@ Mario
Heard it all before. Please read previous posts related to your experience. Also go to http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz/forum/ for more answers.
By: ben on February 4, 2009
at 10:06 am
@Jim,
This Notation by a minister should explain further about the word Salvation is and its use in the Bible:
[1] salvation
The Heb. and Gr. words for salvation imply the ideas of deliverance, safety, preservation, healing, and soundness. Salvation is the great inclusive word of the Gospel, gathering into itself all the redemptive acts and processes: as justification, redemption, grace, propitiation, imputation, forgiveness, sanctification, and glorification. Salvation is in three tenses:
(1) The believer has been saved from the guilt and penalty of sin Lk 7:50 1Cor 1:18 2Cor 2:15 Eph 2:5,8 2Tim 1:9 and is safe.
(2) the believer is being saved from the habit and dominion of sin Rom 6:14 Phil 1:19 2:12,13 2Th 2:13 Rom 8:2 Gal 2:19,20 2Cor 3:18.
(3) The believer is to be saved in the sense of entire conformity to Christ. Rom 13:11 Heb 10:36 1Pet 1:5 1Jn 3:2. Salvation is by grace through faith, is a free gift, and wholly without works Rom 3:27,28 4:1-8 6:23 Eph 2:8. The divine order is: first salvation, then works Eph 2:9,10 Ti 3:5-8.
By: ben on February 4, 2009
at 10:10 am
Btw @ Jim
You said: “You see Ben, you only make this claim to try and negate the fact that God changed his name, thereby helping you to persecute the new name of second coming Christ.”
Does that mean I cannot call God, Jehovah anymore??? Funny tho, according to your theory, God’s name was in Hebrew, then when he came the first time it was still Hebrew, and now it’s in Korean??? WAHHH!? Don’t even get me started with mother J….
By: ben on February 4, 2009
at 10:38 am
ben,
I saw your first post, not the one right after.
Forgot that my moniker is set to Seeking Truth.
By: Jamie on February 4, 2009
at 12:04 pm
just wondering when you are in the COG do you have to get rid of all your possessions? If so, WHY????
By: doxy on February 4, 2009
at 3:49 pm
Ben said “U quoted Hebrews 9:28. Why didn’t u elaborate more on it? Lack of explanation gets you no where. Note, the events in Revelation were not shown to Paul during his time preaching to the Hebrews. Now the scripture there is talking about how Christ came the first time to save man from sin by taking sin unto himself. Therefore, the Salvation brought by Jesus in his first coming was that of sin. The second time he comes, he will no longer carry sin as he was raised from the dead, leaving him pure once again. The Salvation mentioned by Paul, refers to the Salvation of the body. If you read the whole chapter and other translations (u used ISV) you can see how this is. Another translation refers to it as the completed Salvation (of the Spirit from sin, and the Body).
If you’re saying that Salvation wasn’t brought by Jesus the first time then his work on the cross was in vain. Salvation from the bondage of sin, is different from Salvation of the body. Now accepting the Salvation from sin is the pre-requisite for the Salvation of the body. If you believe that Ahnsahngman already came with the Salvation of the body, then that would mean CoG is no long subject to corruption of the body.”
Ben don’t you just love exposing yourself. Again your ignorance in the Words of God keeps you from understand what actually it testifies.
John 6:53-59
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”
ben, are you listen to what Jesus Christ, that you believed, on what He said to have eternal life?
Now ben would probably use this verse because of his lack of understand to the Bible.
Romans 10:9-10
9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Really? Just confess with your mouth that “Jesus is Lord” and you will be saved? Of course Jesus is Lord, the First Coming Christ who died for our sins to fulfill the prophecy according to God’s adminstration. But let’s see what Born Again Christians like ben is missing.
Romans 10:11
11As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
Ok so let’s trust in Him then. ben and I trust in Him. But we need to know what exactly “Him” told us.
Luke 6:46-49
46″Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. 48He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
Ah so the difference between ben and me is that ben just cofess that Jesus is Lord while me I actually do what He says to have eternal life. Ooopps ben has been exposed again.
James 2:19-26
19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
ben, you need to start following what Jesus Christ commands us, not just by keep calling His name.
John 14:15
15″If you love me, you will obey what I command.
By: Elijah on February 4, 2009
at 11:25 pm
bla bla bla Elijah… Repetitive crap. Im not exposing myself to anything. All you did was edit past posts to make it look like u hav something new to say. Pity you don’t.
By: ben on February 5, 2009
at 9:13 am
Btw… Elijah, u said “Ok so let’s trust in Him then. ben and I trust in Him. But we need to know what exactly “Him” told us.”
Dnt give me that… U and I both know that CoG doesn’t trust Jesus. That’s y they’ve replaced Him with a powerless dead korean guy and his former lover who he even rejected to be his wife. When you refer to “Lord”, u guys r definitely not referring to Jesus. So, again. It’s all null and void points u’ve made.
Expose expose expose! Expand your vocabulary a little child! Seriously!
By: ben on February 5, 2009
at 9:22 am
OFF TOPIC:
I keep bringing this up on http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz but no CoG member has even attempted to respond or challenge it. Evasion tactics! :p
This church also claims to have a 2nd coming Christ. The funny thing is… HE IS ALSO KOREAN! (Hilarious ey?) See the website: http://sajc.or.kr/eng/
All the theories CoG uses to justify Ahnsahngman and their beliefs are all the same as this church. They claim that their korean man has also fulfilled the same prophecies that Ahnsahngman fulfilled, and the theories about the “Cloud” and the “Fig Tree”, etc, are also used. But the thing is, THIS GUY CAME FIRST!
Did CoG copy this guy? Either way, theyre both dead anyway. I’m jst wondering if anyone else can find other religions in korea with such bogus beliefs. The moonies r another one. Anymore? I’m sure there are.
I encourage all of you to visit the site. CoG members and non-CoG members alike. Again the site is: http://sajc.or.kr/eng/
By: ben on February 5, 2009
at 10:07 am
Ben said,
“Dnt give me that… U and I both know that CoG doesn’t trust Jesus.”
Isn’t it ironic that Ben says we do not trust Jesus, yet we preach that we should keep the Passover as Jesus commanded us.
Yet he claims to trust in Jesus and insists we do not have to keep the Passover. More hypocrisy once again. Please keep talking Ben and keep exposing yourself as a false Christian.
By: Jim on February 5, 2009
at 2:45 pm
The scriptures quoted by the COG are the words of Jesus not Ahn but it is used to promote a false messiah Ahn.
Elijah said that he actually does what Ahn said to have eternal life.
Let’s see what Ahn did that Jesus did not.
Ahn was born in a Buddhist family, roamed on the streets in his red robe eating the pagan food offered to the idols, divorced his wife deserted his kids, joined the SDA cults, after getting baptized changed attire from red robe to suit which now becomes the member’s dress code, committed adultery with M.J was too old to marry and promised to return for his bride. Nothing amazing really but yes, on his death bed did just one good thing by showing M.J & Joo Cheol the way to survival in this world.
The new name (AHN) said.”I tell you the truth Chung, unless you as M.J eat the flesh and drink the blood of these fools you shall not have a luxurious life. (What a progress from barely 2 pots, pan & in apron to a high life.)
Our forefathers ate manna and died, but now make sure these members visit Korea and you feed them on this special Kimchi and rice which shall be the Passover meal. After they repeat the scriptures over the time like a Kimchi that is fermented for a period of time at an appropriate temperature in a sealed container I tell you these fools can also be brainwashed forever.”
Just make them confess with their mouth that me “Ahn is Lord” and I assure that I will not be able to save even their ass from the lake of fire.
You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Look
All you need to do is believe though I was powerless & now a dead man. Aren’t these few scriptures in the bible enough to prove me “Lord Ahn” and the M.J?
Sweetie! Please show them your video on good deeds and on how you can (clean the toilets, grow plants, visit the sick, fire station, deck up with painted lips, an artificial smile and some crocodile tears). If they still find it hard to accept us both as God then make some more videos on disasters as fear is the only solution.LOL
By: sarah on February 5, 2009
at 3:07 pm
Jim = Elijah! o.O
Either that or ur all zombies!
By: ben on February 5, 2009
at 5:43 pm
Hahahah! Good one Sarah! Really made me laugh.. :p
Jim… U avoided my post about the website: http://sajc.or.kr/eng/
By: ben on February 5, 2009
at 5:50 pm
Sarah said “The scriptures quoted by the COG are the words of Jesus not Ahn but it is used to promote a false messiah Ahn. Elijah said that he actually does what Ahn said to have eternal life.”
John 14:25-26
25″All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.”
Jesus Christ said the the Second Coming Christ, the Holy Spirit will remind us of everything He has taught us. Why?
Daniel 7:25
25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and TRY TO CHANGE THE SET TIMES AND THE LAWS. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.
“Let’s see what Ahn did that Jesus did not.
Ahn was born in a Buddhist family,”
Hebrews 7:1-3
1This MELCHIZEDEK was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother, WITHOUT GENEALOGY, without beginning of days or end of life, LIKE THE SON OF GOD he remains a priest forever.
In the Bible, “genealogy” refers to the twelve tribes of Israel. The words, “(Melchizedek is) without genealogy,” mean that the spiritual Melchizedek would be born among the Gentiles; however, Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah.
Hebrews 7:14
14FOR IT IS CLEAR THAT OUR LORD DESCENDED FROM JUDAH, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Christ came in the Order of Melchizedek, didn’t come from the tribe of Judah as prophecied in the Bible.
“The new name (AHN)”
Revelation 2:17
17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone(Jesus Christ) with a new name(Christ Ahnsahnghong) written on it, known only to him who receives it.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the New Name testified in the Bible, just as Jesus Christ prophecied that the Second Coming Christ will come in His name.
Keep exposing yourself also Sarah.
By: Elijah on February 5, 2009
at 6:54 pm
bla bla bla again Elijah! hahaha!
U brushed off my post again……. http://sajc.or.kr/eng/
By: ben on February 6, 2009
at 8:55 am
Ben said “bla bla bla again Elijah! hahaha!
U brushed off my post again……. http://sajc.or.kr/eng/”
What’s the matter ben? You can’t handle the truth?
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3For the time will come when men (like ben) will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Keep talking ben. The more you talk, the more you expose yourself.
By: Elijah on February 6, 2009
at 5:12 pm
ben is just a barking dog who continiously bark all day and night long. He keeps exposing himself by sticking to his own fixed idea of the Bible but in reality ben doesn’t accept what it testifies. ben is like the Jews and Pharisees 2000 years ago who can’t accept the prophecy that the Bible testifies that God would come in flesh again. Sorry ben, you constantly fail to understand the Bible. ben, you only know the name of Jesus but you don’t really know Him because you don’t listen to what He said.
John 14:21
21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
ben haven’t seen Christ yet and he continiously failed to do so.
By: Bright Angel on February 6, 2009
at 5:22 pm
mwahahahah! Ok then… If u will not go to the site and read then I wil post some excerpts from it on the http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz/forum site, since this isn’t the right place to post it.
Please check out the new thread: http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1232#1232
By: ben on February 6, 2009
at 5:52 pm
ben don’t you just love being expose all the time? I’ll expose you then as you wish
http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1213#1213
See how ignorant ben is in God’s administration. He doesn’t understand what really the Bible prophecies. He continue to insist his opinion instead of understanding the Bible. Keep talking ben. You fail again big time as usual, hahahahahaha!
By: Bright Angel on February 9, 2009
at 7:04 pm
Boom! Tried to dodge another bullet bright angel. It’s pathetic and ur only showing every1 here how afraid u are of answering questions that disprove ur cultic beliefs. U posted a link that was already answered. Can’t come up with anything new?
Bible prophecies ey… Then y hasn’t any CoG member listed down all the prophecies that they know of that proves their beliefs, as genny from that website continues to request? The only people exposing themselves are CoG members. What have I exposed myself as? I can say that the CoG members like u continue to expose urselves as immature, low and full of lies and deceit. Go on “bright” angel. Continue to embarass ur church! :)
By: ben on February 10, 2009
at 10:11 am
Oh Bright Angel. Did you/Will you celebrate your birthday this year? Did you celebrate New Years Eve? I bet u did u pagan holiday celebrator you ;)
By: ben on February 10, 2009
at 10:18 am
Did I make you laugh Ben? Elijah & his troupe not only compel us to expose their ignorance but also indirectly are embarrassing their Gods.
Due to the lack of words and failure to answer the questions they clearly show that the COG is truly a cult.
“Keep exposing” “Do not give dogs what is sacred or throw pearls to pigs” “God’s administration” “Men’s Opinion” and so on…
These are the common phrases cog members have used over and over again and if you notice brother/sister even copy each other’s words. Just like their God who copied the doctrine of the other cults http://sajc.or.kr/eng/. They need to try something new and work a bit harder to get the 144,000 fooled.
Well I was expecting the Melchizedec quote to my post. I am aware of the COG’s mother goose stories each one is well tagged with the few Bible scriptures. But they keep posting the same material. What a waste of time! Even their own blogs are so stagnant. The members have nothing much to comment but give a common expression of their testimony.
This Melchizedec fable sounds more like a space ship dropping an alien baby “Melchihong” with glasses on the housetop of a Buddhist family. No father or mother. No genealogy. He learnt everything himself watching the Buddhist family since 1918 till he learnt decision-making. No wonder even the members do not mind divorce or remarrying. They have a scripture already selected about divorce.
Now according to Elijah Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Christ came in the Order of Melchizedek, but didn’t come from the tribe of Judah as prophesied in the Bible.
Which means this alien had brought along with him a white stone from his planet with his new name written “AHN”
As for the rest of my opinion I assume Elijah agrees about Hong man’s administration and his purpose on the earth.
If he had parents I am sure his upbringing would be much better.
By: sarah on February 10, 2009
at 4:08 pm
@ everybody who argues.
What do you get from arguing if it’s true or not, or who is right or not, just follow what ever you believe in, just take action on what ever path you think is the right one for you, and let the prophecies come on it’s own. Something will happen at the end some day, let’s just see what happens. Why matter whether you or me or them cannot interpret the verses correctly. If you think CoG is a cult or not, well that is up to you, do you want to be saved or not is up to you. Every decision you make = a decision that you will find out at the end or when ever you die, and see if you were correct or not.
By: Mario on February 11, 2009
at 6:39 am
@Mario
It’s not about the argument about persuading the other side. This blog, as well as other blogs and forums, are here to help those who need answers to questions. The initial intention of people searching and encountering sites like this is based on curiosity and other times because people have family members that they wana get out of this cult due to conflicts that arose upon them joining it.
But u r right… We will see in the end. But if u had a loved one that u feel has been lead down the wrong direction, wouldn’t u want to intervene?
By: ben on February 11, 2009
at 9:43 am
I agree with Mario. I’m also a member of World Mission Society Church of God and I didn’t agree with Mario because he’s my Heavenly Brother but because he said something that applies to everyone and that is arguing about who’s right or wrong is pointless as it’s just gonna go on and on like war because no one can accept that they are wrong. The truth is we will all find out in the end. When it comes to religious beliefs, we are all taking chances including those who don’t believe in the existence of a God and whatever you path you choose then it’s your choice.
ben, if you feel that your loved one is in a cult then it’s up to you to tell that particular person. But you have to be careful that you don’t also affect others as they would put their attention to you and would start that stupid anger and hate because you are affecting what they believe in. I remember you invited me in that cult watch forum and I think it through and decided that it’s just gonna be an endless debate for both of us. It’s like extreme muslim believers who think that America is invading their way of belief so some of them decided to form a group to attack their proclaimed enemy. For me, I have been in Church of God for 3 years now and I have seen all the blogs and forums against my church but I didn’t get involve in it too much because I think it’s stupid, pointless and it will just continue until someone stops breathing. I don’t force people to follow what I believe. We can have some conversation but when it gets to where we can’t agree on each other then I stop there and thank them for their time. Well I just pray for all of us that God will let us know in the end whether we pleased Him or not in Judgement day. God bless us all.
By: Jepoy on February 11, 2009
at 4:55 pm
I understand Jepoy. But not everyone will take it as maturely as you have, so I applaud u for that. I have talked to my family members who are part of CoG, they choose not to listen. They do what most CoG members here (and other forums) do, they don’t answer questions. Not answering questions is what lead to the debates in the first place. It’s funny how theyre the ones that actually come to our house with their pastors trying to win us over to their side, but they don’t like how we have questions they cannot answer; so they leave thinking we don’t listen to them. So with that said, I will not debate or argue regarding your post. It’s the best CoG member post I’ve read so far and I hope that in our coming years, that God show us (you, me and everyone here) what really matters to Him. God Bless.
By: ben on February 12, 2009
at 10:48 am
Jepoy, you might not force people to believe what you believe, but this COG INVADED my home and stole my child who was vulnerable at the time. I didn’t invite this into my home OR my life and yet it has been inflicted upon me and I have to live with it on a daily basis. All we do is argue daily as my child tries to convince me how correct the Cog are. God couldn’t possibly want the kind of life I am living now with this COG member. This is NOT christianity. This is NOT GOD’S love. All I see is my child constantly breaking GOD’S commandments as there is NO love or respect for family. In the new testament Jesus left us with two commandments and I don’t see my child keeping them at all. Where does it say in the bible to LIE? Where does it say to steal family members? Where does it say to give up everything in your life for the COG? Where does it say abandon friends who love you? This is a CULT of the worst kind.
By: doxy on February 12, 2009
at 6:47 pm
doxy, what are you talking about? everything you just said can be applied to Jesus Christ and the Apostles.
Luke 18:28-30 {28Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”
29″I tell you the truth,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life.”}
What doxy? Can you explain this to me? Peter and the Apostles LEFT ALL THEY HAD TO FOLLOW JESUS. But Jesus said that they won’t fail to receive eternal life by doing it. doxy, prove me through the Bible that what your saying is what the Bible wants us to do. Even Abraham is willing to sacrifice his own son to follow God’s commandments.
Matthew 10:34-39 {34″Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
” ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law –
36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37″Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. }
Please explain this to me doxy. Your fellow Church of God haters constantly rationalizing our church. It’s been explain to you guys that God’s Words are absolute that cannot be judge by men’s common sense.
By: Bright Angel on February 13, 2009
at 3:58 am
ben said “It’s the best CoG member post I’ve read so far and I hope that in our coming years, that God show us (you, me and everyone here) what really matters to Him. God Bless.”
Luke 6:46-49 {46″Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. 48He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”}
ben, you can say that you love God all day long but if you don’t do what He says then it’s actually foolishness in the eyes of God according to His Words.
John 14:15 {15″If you love me, you will obey what I command.}
ben, you fail again big time. Stop confessing you love God. Do what He says.
By: Bright Angel on February 13, 2009
at 4:07 am
Bright Angel is a puppy with his tail between his legs… :)
Nothing u say matters :)
By: ben on February 13, 2009
at 8:57 am
Jepoy.. Don’t u get embarrassed by these co-CoG members who rant useless posts?
By: ben on February 13, 2009
at 9:00 am
No ben you don’t get my point. Again ben God’s Words are absolute that cannot be judge by men’s common sense. I will try to enlighten you again because I care about your salvation.
I’ll pretend that I’m an atheist and everything I see is based on rationalism and humanism. See ben, you try to use rationalism on Church of God but you ignore rationalizing your Born Again Christian point of view. So ben, how do you know that God exist? How do you recognize Him? Does He look any specific image? Maybe He look like what you see in the movie? How can you prove that this man Jesus is God? And now ben will you put your faith in Jesus to the ultimate test?
ben, can you answer these claims against Christianity? Common ben I know your smarter than that. You want rationalization then you got it. If you can’t explain your answers to the questions in that video then your not using rationalism on your faith and your not a very smart person.
By: Bright Angel on February 13, 2009
at 5:05 pm
What doxy? Can you explain this to me? Peter and the Apostles LEFT ALL THEY HAD TO FOLLOW JESUS.
EXACTLY!!!! I follow JESUS CHRIST NOT some DEAD korean.
You said:
Matthew 10:34-39″Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
” ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law –
36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37″Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. }
Just before his violent death on the Cross, Christ promised peace to his disciples. But the existence of evil necessitates spiritual warfare.The earth to which christ came was under the authority of satan (Jn 12:31; Co 4.4). It is therefore essential that christ wage war against the leader of vice with weapons of virtue (Eph 6:11-18) To carry his cross a true disciple must be ready.
Have you bothered reading John13: 31 -35? AND Also John 15:9-17 ??Its Jesus’ new commandment to LOVE one another as he loves us, we must love as jesus has loved us, laying down his life not only for his friends, but even his enemies.
The bottom line is if your dead Korean was truly GOD he would not allow his followers to destroy other families. That is not following GOD’S commandment of love
By: doxy on February 13, 2009
at 6:15 pm
Bright Angel, I am smarter than that. Funny u dnt seem to be because the answers were right next to that video page under the related videos. U keep coming up with “Straw Men” arguments. Tsk tsk…
By: ben on February 13, 2009
at 11:19 pm
You the man, Ryan!
I am currently a COG member. Before that I used to be an Atheist. Even though I am still on trial, I want to continue studying. I want to go all the way through. I can’t judge without wisdom. Their teachings are based on love and peace. There are good teachings and there church is a peaceful environment. COG is the only church that teaches with evidence. I have found no wrongs yet. But I have to scold these mothers who are so worried about their children’s faith.
Dear Mothers, Sisters, Brothers, Cousins, etc.:
That is the path they want to take, let them be.
You guys are acting as if your loved ones became strippers or porn stars.
Your kids aren’t going to become what you’ve always wanted. It is their life.
Fortunately, I have parents who are open minded.
After I joined, I became more aware of my violent behaviour and now I am more empathetic and loving. My parents respect my decision.
COG teaches the love of God.
Love of God is all we need to be happy.
Love of God cured my depression.
Everything is meaningless without the love of God.
Do not judge what you do not know.
By: Lisle on February 14, 2009
at 7:14 am
Thanks Lisle,
you have proven my point that the Cog preys on depressed vulnerable people. It is just like being on drugs. It seems to “fill” the void someone is missing in life. Believing in GOD is a very good thing. I believe in GOD but this notion of a DEAD korean and his lover being GOD is not only ridiculous but it goes against everything in the bible. Sorry Lisle you are not a Christian in the true sense. Its a shame you didn’t find God in the true church. You and All the COG leaders and members are the ones who need the scolding.
By: doxy on February 14, 2009
at 3:37 pm
Hi Lisle,
Nice to meet you. U sed that you havent found any wrongs in their teachings… Ok, then please let me know: What is the difference between ur church’s beliefs and the beliefs of this other Korean church: http://sajc.or.kr/eng/
Hopefully, u will realize that their is not much difference, other than ur Gods r 2 different Korean dead men. Keep in mind that their church came before urs.
Don’t be too hasty to think that we don’t know anything about ur church. Trust me, we know a lot more than u think we do.
Also, can u answer another question that no other CoG members has answered yet: During ur membership in CoG, did u ever celebrate ur birthday or New Years Eve/Day? It’s not a very hard question right?
Thanks.
By: ben on February 14, 2009
at 6:36 pm
God bless you Heavenly Sister Lisle. I’m very happy that you found your way to the truth. I hope that you would truly continue learning the truth and don’t mind all the criticism of those who harass God’s people. Remember, Jesus Christ and the Apostles was also harassed 2000 years ago because the Jews and Pharisees couldn’t accept what the Bible prophecied about Jesus Christ who came in flesh to bear our sins and they are stuck in the age of the God the Father Jehovah. That time only the Old Testament existed and the New Testament wasn’t written yet. People nowadays claim that they know Jesus Christ but truly they only know His name. If they were living during His time, I bet you that they won’t believe in Him, even if the Scripture of the Old Testament prophecied and testified about Him. Thanks to Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for giving us the right to enter and return to the Heavenly Kingdom. God bless you Sister Lisle. Today is Sabbath day and I’m very happy to see all my Heavenly Brothers and Sisters again.
By: Elijah on February 14, 2009
at 7:56 pm
Good one Elijah :)
Let’s see if Lisle will dodge my questions just as u and every other CoG member did.
Today is Sabbath day? Then why r u online?!? Ur fingers are getting tired! Oh no! ^^ *the wrath of Ahnsahngman smite u!………… Oh wait… He’s dead… :(
By: ben on February 14, 2009
at 8:05 pm
Again Ben, reacts with his immature comments. His ignorance of the truth leads him to say such things. I will continue to pray for you Ben, that you will humble yourself and see the truth in the Bible.
By: Jim on February 15, 2009
at 12:36 am
ben said “Bright Angel, I am smarter than that. Funny u dnt seem to be because the answers were right next to that video page under the related videos. U keep coming up with “Straw Men” arguments. Tsk tsk…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de7kisfQ1vY&NR=1”
Notice how ben accepts men’s opinion than what the Bible testifies. ben, you just exposed yourself again. I tested you and it’s sad that your putting men’s wisdom above God’s Words. It’s ok ben. I will continue to pray for you that you will soften your calloused heart and follow the Spirit and the Bride who are the saviors in these last age.
1 Corinthians 1:25 {25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.}
By: Bright Angel on February 15, 2009
at 8:45 pm
:) Hello Jim
@Bright Angel
I would have answered them myself but it would have been a waste of time. That guy in the video is using the Bible for his answers and backs it all up correctly and with lots of ground. So ur “men’s opinion” remark is another pointless rant. The video u posted was “a man’s opinion” too, so stop displaying ur hypocrisy. U didn’t test me; u jst didn’t have the answers. It’s pathetic and ur posts never prove anything. I guess ur running out of things to say so u’ve resorted to posing as an atheist to try and prove the truth wrong. The truth is, Jesus is ALIVE, Ahnsahngman is DEAD, and mother J is DYING! Good luck with that :)
By: ben on February 16, 2009
at 9:28 am
GOOD ON YOU BEN!!!!!!!!
By: doxy on February 16, 2009
at 2:06 pm
Hey Ben, Im curious to know if you even have a basic understanding of Jesus and the Bible.
Do you think that Jesus is a separate entity from God the Father YHWH?
OR
Do you think that Jesus is God the Father (YHWH) who came in the flesh?
Back up your answer with the Bible.
Its about time to expose these COG haters with the sword. Let’s see if Ben is really interested in knowing the way to salvation of if he really is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
I’ll be waiting Ben ;-)
By: Jim on February 17, 2009
at 12:19 pm
You COG haters like to hide behind your computer screen with your immature comments and accusations. So Ben, since you are so vocal (well you are hiding behind your computer screen), let’s see if you have the proper understanding of God.
Please explain the identity of Jesus Christ as I posed above.
By: Jim on February 17, 2009
at 12:31 pm
Jim, I have so many problems with your last two posts. I will itemize them.
1. Your argument about Jesus and God the Father is a way of changing the subject just because u r in denial that ur “god” is a useless decayed corpse in a korean cemetery. He never ascended as ur website says. I’ve seen a pic of ur grave. So he is obviously got no power over death.
2. Just like Bright Angel, u have resorted to useless topics of argument to try and distract every1 else from the real fallacy that ur religion is all about (dead guy n dying woman as god).
3. Is Jesus and God the Father one? Of cors! The argument isn’t even related to this blog so I won’t elaborate. I mean, why should we keep answering these off-topic questions while CoG members continue to avoid answering questions that are directly related to the main arguments and points made by the blog makers and thread starters.
4. Jim said, “You COG haters like to hide behind your computer screen with your immature comments and accusations.”
Stop being a hypocrite! Both CoG members and non-CoG members have been posting some immature things and have been spending a lot of time in front of their computers screens. How can u say that u, urself don’t spend as much time in front of ur computer screen as I do? Seriously? What does it prove anyway?
@ Doxy
Thanks :)
By: ben on February 18, 2009
at 10:21 am
Just as I thought Ben. Thank you.
Nothing more needs to be said.
By: Jim on February 18, 2009
at 2:08 pm
Exactly Jim :)
Thanks for understanding!
By: ben on February 18, 2009
at 3:54 pm
Ben said “Stop being a hypocrite! Both CoG members and non-CoG members have been posting some immature things and have been spending a lot of time in front of their computers screens. How can u say that u, urself don’t spend as much time in front of ur computer screen as I do? Seriously? What does it prove anyway?”
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Spending time to argue and debate that has no real direction because both sides can never agree with each other is just absurd. So to all my Heavenly Brothers and Sisters, and to all the anti-World Mission Society Church of God, stop acting like a damn childish to each other. Let’s leave each other alone and continue to do what we believe in. God bless you all.
By: Jepoy on February 18, 2009
at 4:37 pm
Hi!
I have red lots of comments by different people.
But i want to say all of the member of church Of God that please be faithful. I am from pakistan.
Glory to God the father and God the Mother.
God Bless You All.
By: Shahzad Daniel on February 19, 2009
at 5:36 pm
God bless you Brother Shahzad from Pakistan Zion. I hope you also be faithful. May Father and Mother bless you abundantly.
World Mission Society Church of God
YEAH! WE ARE WORLD WIDE SPREADING THE LOVE OF GOD’S PROMISED OF ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH THE PASSOVER OF THE NEW COVENANT! UNSTOPPABLE TRUE PEOPLE OF GOD!
By: Bright Angel on February 19, 2009
at 6:04 pm
God Bless you Sister Bright Angel.
Well my email is daniel_shahzad@hotmail.com
so plz email me so that we can share the fragnence of zion to each other.
Actually i am searching the members of Church Of God on Internet i want to keep them in touch.
I hope to have a email from you.
God Bless You.
By: Shahzad Daniel on February 19, 2009
at 10:08 pm
Hello Brothers and Sisters of Church of God. I’m glad to meet you all. I’m Francis and I’m currently here in Rota Spain. I am Filipino born and raised in the Philippines. I was baptized in San Diego California Zion. Right now I’m not close to any church, well Madrid Zion is about 6 hours away from me, so I’m looking to keep in touch with my Brothers and Sisters around the world through email. So Brother Shahzad, I’ll send you an email and we can do some studies together. God bless you all.
Brother Francis
World Mission Society Church of God
fbagtasSailor12@yahoo.com
By: Francis on February 20, 2009
at 5:24 pm
I’m glad to hear from our fellow co-workers of Christ gospel.
Notice that Ben is now scared now that we have everybody responding, lol. They should be listening to Brother Jepoy. Also, they need to shut down the Cult Watch site. Peace to all Church of God haters.
By: Bright Angel on February 23, 2009
at 6:41 pm
God Bless You Sister Bright Angel And all of the brothers and sisters !!
We will parise the God The Mother And God The Father. By preaching their thecahings and their love for us.
God Bless You All
By: Shahzad Daniel on February 23, 2009
at 8:16 pm
Jepoy said: “So to all my Heavenly Brothers and Sisters, and to all the anti-World Mission Society Church of God, stop acting like a damn childish to each other. Let’s leave each other alone and continue to do what we believe in”
Bright angel you now seem to sound a lot like a bright devil who chuckles thinking he has won. How come you did not understand your bro Jepoy’s simple words addressed even to you to stop acting damn childish? So here we go again…
Firstly why would one fear COG cults let it be Jepoy or teapoy? As for your Mother/Father God’s fables have been a great source of entertainment for us and the reason why you all hang out here is you enjoy the stuff being said about them. Isn’t that true! Obviously after all so many blogs the COG’s have created wouldn’t be so dry as no one seems to be logged on there except for the bros/sis. Shahzad you can get your lost sheep there. But I must admit that Jamie and cult watch site deserve the Oscars.LOL.
Didn’t your COG hackers try hard to shut the Cult watch website but could not? Yet the anti-cog site goes strong by the power of Holy Spirit and has succeeded in drawing attention of so many around the world much faster, educating the ignorant as to how the COG fits into the cult category than it might have taken the COG years to spread their false doctrine in secret.
Notice that Ben is now scared now that we have everybody responding, lol
I can understand how you feel. It is like “Grapes have turned sour for you” Now that you are beginning to realize these sites are helping the ones in darkness.
This “everybody responding business” is another cult tactic just to avoid answers. Looks like M.J is now more scared of losing not only her members but also fear her coffers may become empty soon. Recession is going on. As a God she is powerless, helpless, loveless, just living on your crumbs and hugs.
If you think the Cult Watch site needs to be shut then how would Shahzad find the rest of his few crazy bros/sis here. Isn’t it? It is Okay Shahzad. You don’t have to be thankful.
By: sarah on February 24, 2009
at 5:51 am
@Sarah
“Notice that Ben is now scared now that we have everybody responding, lol”
What???
By: ben on February 24, 2009
at 9:09 am
Well Ben, Mr. Bright devil aka angel’s posted
“Notice that Ben is now scared now that we have everybody responding, lol”
He thinks you are scared of them.Do not worry Ben its one of the common phrase they use when they do not have answers.
So who is responding whom Mr. Bright?? The birds of the same feathers that have been flocking together. LOL
I never knew the COG’s could be such “clowns of God”. I think Jepoy( you seem to be having some sense left) it is time you correct the damn childish act of your cult bros/sis
By: sarah on February 24, 2009
at 1:21 pm
Sarah, I said peace to all the Church of God haters. What part of it you didn’t understand?
As for the Cult Watch site, my bro/sis are not gonna even bother to hack it. It will fail in the end anyway. And also, if you think that Mother Jerusalem is losing members, then you should be thinking how worldwide the Church of God is because the prophecy will be fulfilled, no matter what you anti-Church of God do. So Sarah, just look at Brother Shahzad from Pakistan or Brother Francis who is in Rota, Spain above. As you can see, the World Mission Society Church of God has established it’s Zion all over the world and you can’t stop it because it is the Will of God. Good luck failing, LOL!
By: Bright Angel on February 24, 2009
at 4:01 pm
God came to this earth in order to lead human beings, who were destined to die because of sin, to the eternal kingdom of heaven, and has guided us so that we can live the most valuable life on this earth while looking toward heaven. So, the Bible says that the crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but God tests our heart (Pr 17:3).
The reason God tests our heart is that He wants to make us, His children, more precious and shining than pure gold, through the process of testing. Let’s see through the Bible how God makes us the most valuable creatures while He is on this earth, and take some time to think about where to go or what to do.
A valuable life
The following are from Ripley’s “Believe It or Not.”
A five dollar lump of metal can be made into a horse’s shoe worth 50 dollars. If it is refined and made into the hands of a watch, it can produce a value of 5,000 dollars. When a lump of metal is made into a horse’s shoe, it just creates a value of 50 dollars, but if it is made into watch hands, it can produce a value 100 times greater than a horse’s shoe.
However, if it is made into a watch, it can produce a value of 50,000 dollars. When a five dollar lump of metal is changed to another form and used, it can create a value 10,000 times greater than the original one.
The same material produces different values according to how it is used. It is the same with the people who believe in God. We are sinners who were doomed to eternal death because of our sins. Such valueless beings have been called by God’s grace. According to how we use the talents, which God has given to each of us, in accordance with our faith, we produce different spiritual values from one another.
We are all God’s children called by God, but some of us play a role worthy of 50 dollars, some a role of 5,000 dollars, and others a role of 50,000 dollars. How much value do you want to have as the children of heaven when you stand before God after your life on this earth? Everybody wants to be the most valuable being. Then, what kind of life should we live in faith so that we can produce the greatest value? We need to always think it over and try to possess the greatest value.
Jesus’ disciples who were called to do valuable work
Jesus, who came to this earth in order to save mankind, first went along the sea of Galilee when He began to preach the gospel. At that time, Peter, Andrew, James and John, who were fishermen, were preparing their nets as usual. Then Jesus called them and made them “fishers of men.”
Mt 4:17-22 『From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.” At once they left their nets and followed him. Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.』
God wanted to make His children the most valuable beings. Although we were spiritually sinners who were destined for death, God called us and allowed us to be born again to live a new, valuable life.
Parents spare no pain and sacrifice for their children; they encourage their children to do what brings them happiness and success and set an example for them, guiding and helping them to achieve it. It is the same with our spiritual Parents. They said, “Come, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.” Jesus didn’t call His disciples just to cause them to suffer, but He called them to have the special experience of producing the most gracious and beautiful value in the world.
If the apostles had only got caught up in their daily routine of making a living, they would not have been able to live such a valuable and shining life. There were numerous people 2,000 years ago, but most of them have not even been remembered by the following generations. However, the apostles like Peter and John are still remembered today, even after 2,000 years; we examine the words written by them and share grace together by talking about their works of good faith. The apostles spared no effort and sacrifice to save souls. Their life was so valuable that they were worthy of being respected not only by people on this earth but also by angels in heaven. To give them such a wonderful blessing, Jesus went along the sea of Galilee and called them to be His disciples.
There is a great deal of difference in value between those who have received Christ and those who have not, even though they are all human beings. Think about the lives of the chief priests and the Pharisees who were regarded as capable and respectable people in those days, and about the life of Judas Iscariot. They were just like a five dollar lump of metal. Rather, they were worth less than five dollars, if we consider the words of Jesus, “It would be better for him if he had not been born” (Mt 26:24).
However, the value of Peter, John, James and Paul was very great; Jesus made them shine like pure gold and brilliant like a precious jewel. Let’s keep in mind again that saving the whole world is the way to live the most beautiful and valuable life as God’s children.
Gospel workers live a valuable life
Just as the same material produces a different value according to how it is used, the same person can produce a different spiritual worth according to how he is used. It will be the most valuable life if we are used in the work of God?the gospel?above all else, following the example of Christ who came to this earth in order to make us the most valuable beings.
2 Co 3:5-6 『. . . but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant?not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.』
God wants us to be the gospel workers; He is most pleased when we preach the new covenant. By human standards, it may not seem so valuable, but the Bible shows that from God’s point of view, the workers of the new covenant are the people who possess the greatest value.
No matter how competent a doctor may be on this earth, he cannot raise the dead and give them eternal life. However great a man’s power is, he has no authority to allow people into heaven. However, the workers of the new covenant are preaching the Passover that can save the souls, who are doomed to die because they sinned against God in heaven, and lead them safely to the kingdom of heaven. God has acknowledged those who guide all people to the path of life and help them to live a valuable life as the most valuable beings.
That’s why the apostles including Peter followed Jesus’ call immediately and delightfully. At that time, they probably didn’t know that following Jesus was the way to the glory of the everlasting heavenly kingdom, but where are they now? They must be greatly rejoicing with an inexpressible and glorious joy right beside God.
We should never give up such a meaningful and valuable life or turn away from it. According to what kind of work we do, our value becomes different.
The Gospel workers who earned ten more minas
Lk 19:11-26 『. . . “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’ . . . He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’ ‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’ Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. . . .’ His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’ Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’ ‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’ He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away.’ “』
With the same mina, one person earned ten more minas and another five more minas, but the other just kept the mina which he had received. Through this parable, we need to think again about how we are carrying out the spiritual mission that we have received from God today.
God has entrusted all the children of God in Zion with the gospel?the mission of preaching the truth of eternal life to all mankind. With the same gospel, some gain ten more minas, some five more, and others just keep it to themselves. This will determine their value forever.
Our value is decided according to how hard we work for the gospel on this earth; there is no more opportunity to work in heaven. Considering this fact carefully, we, the apostles of the gospel, should perform the mission given to each of us graciously during our God-given time on this earth.
1 Th 2:1-4 『. . . For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you. On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts.』
It is because God has approved us that He has entrusted us with the gospel. Since God has called us and made us workers for the gospel which is more valuable than anything else, we should obey the will of God with thankful hearts, and make efforts to please God rather than men.
Let’s live a life that brings the highest value
God is pleased with the workers of the gospel and puts a seal on them. This seal is the mark of redemption which men are not able to see but angels can see.
Rev 14:1-4 『Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. . . . These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.』
Just as a renowned calligrapher puts his chop (seal) only on his best work, God has put His seal engraved with His name on the foreheads of those who are redeemed, and has given them the glorious title “firstfruits.” God has acknowledged His people as the perfect beings who have the highest value among all people, and has written His name on their foreheads.
This is a blessing given not only to the 144,000 but also to all who keep the new covenant. The Bible says that there is a great multitude that no one can count and that all people around the world will stream to Zion in order to learn the ways of God. So, we need to become vessels great enough to receive all our brothers and sisters who are streaming from around the world?all those whom God sends. Nothing is impossible with God. We should give ourselves fully to the mission of preaching the gospel, believing the prophecies, so that our faith will not grow weak and become a hindrance to them.
If Peter, Andrew, John and James had not done anything after they were called by Jesus, their deeds would not have been recorded anywhere in the Bible. They learned from Jesus and followed His example, always thinking over ‘how they could lead more souls to the truth of life and salvation’ or ‘how they could lead all people around the world from hell to heaven?’ While doing so, they preached the gospel with boldness. Even though they were persecuted, despised and afflicted, they devoted themselves to saving souls to the end, so Jesus promised them the blessings of heaven, saying, “You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel” (Lk 22:28:30).
Let’s all be children of God who are valuable and pleasing in God’s sight. Even though God has called and allowed us to participate in the most valuable work, if we just stay silent without doing the work, we cannot save the world. All our brothers and sisters in Zion around the world! I earnestly pray that you will all be changed in accordance with God’s will and diligently carry out the mission as the workers of the new covenant in the given circumstances, by leading all people around the world to the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bright Angel on February 24, 2009
at 4:06 pm
@Bright Angel,
U said that CoG won’t hack the sites? Well, Elijah feels very differently…
Elijah said: “Anti-Church of God haters,
Beware! Your websites are gonna get hack if you guys continue to discriminate or prejudice the Church of God and it’s members. You guys have been warned!”
Come on Bright devil, angel, whatever u are! Ur church has done some pretty nasty things online, including hacking sites against ur church, and spamming member blogs in order to flood search results in Yahoo and Google, etc. It’s already proven fact. Ur long copy-pasted posts are examples of such things.
By: ben on February 24, 2009
at 5:07 pm
Edit:
I am a pot calling a kettle black.
Seriously, stop fighting already. You make me want to close comments for this post because you CoG members are so childish.
By: Bright Angel on February 24, 2009
at 8:18 pm
lol. CoG members are being so childish?
Shall I repeat Ben and Sarah’s comments? Anyways, entertaining as always.
By: Jim on February 26, 2009
at 8:04 am
HELLO UNBELEIVERS…
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW ITS ALL THE TRUTH,
THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH OF GOD.
AS FOR HAWK EYE YOU COULDNT PULL A KOREAN GIRL IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT….. I CAN TELL AT THE FEROCITY YOU GO AT MOTHER JERUSALEM AND CALLING KOREAN WOMEN DISRECTFUL NAMES..
AS FOR JAMIE OR WHOEVER WROTE THE INTRO TO THIS THREAD YOU DONT WANT A JESUS THAT HAS SEX WITH HIS OWN MOTHER WELL THATS WHAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH. AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TOUGH LUCK. AS FOR YOU KING JAMES
YOU GOT A NERVE TO CALL YOUR SELF THAT… YOUR NO KING. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THEN STOP TYPING IN ALL YOUR MEANINGLESS WORDS YOUR NOT STOPPING ANYTHING.. THE CHURCH OF GOD FLORISHES AND YOU ARE ALL MAD YOUR ON THE OUTSIDE AND NOT A PART OF IT.
BUT TO ALL OF YOU WHO BELEIVE.
GOD BLESS YOU
JAMAL R ICHINOSEKI.
By: JAMAL R ICHINOSEKI on February 27, 2009
at 7:17 am
@Jamal
Wow… The animals are being released! :)
Jamie has all the right to write down anything on this blog. U can’t tell me not to type, I am free to do so…
I guess the defensive character of CoG members are getting more and more revealed huh…
Let me ask you Jamal, as I have asked many CoG members here, with no answer yet: Do u celebrate your birthday? And do you celebrate New Year? Do you celebrate these Pagan days of celebration? A simple yes or no would suffice.
By: ben on February 27, 2009
at 9:42 am
I love reading this…
“Prophecy Being Fulfilled”
By: Sis on February 28, 2009
at 2:08 am
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN….
THE PERSON WHO CALLS HIMSELF JAMIE
IS DISRESPECTING HIS OWN CREATORS TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD… IS IT REALLY WORTH IT? BECAUSE YOU KNOW ALL THINGS MUST COME TO A END 2012…..
NO, I DONT CELEBRATE MY BIRTHDAY
OR NEW YEARS.. I AM A ATTENDENT OF THE CHURCH OF GOD AND APALLED AT HOW DISRESPECTFUL PEOPLE ARE BEING.. WHY WOULD YOU DISRESPECT OR BE AFRAID AT TWO KOREAN MEMBERS, WHO ARE DOING GODS WILL TRYING TO SAVE YOU? WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR SNEERING COMMENTS ITS LIKE YOUR THROWING WHAT CHRIST AHHN SANG HONG PUT DOWN: THE PASSOVER RIGHT BACK IN HIS FACE WHY ARE YOU ALL SO DISRECTFUL?
AND UNBELEIVING? YOU ONLY HURT YOURSELF.
By: JAMAL R ICHINOSEKI on February 28, 2009
at 2:35 am
I don’t believe you Jamal when you say that you don’t celebrate your birthday or New Yrs. If you don’t, does that mean that it is not allowed in CoG? If so, then why did a CoG Pastor attend my nephew’s birthday party and prayed for him? My nephews mum is a CoG member.
And why did my cousins who are CoG members, greet me a Happy New Year through sms? They even counted down with us the year before.
Why???
By: ben on February 28, 2009
at 9:10 pm
I am really waiting for 2012 :)
Lets see how their faith crumbles!
By: ben on March 1, 2009
at 8:06 am
Ben, it is obvious someone is posing as a COG member.
Jamal said, “AS FOR JAMIE OR WHOEVER WROTE THE INTRO TO THIS THREAD YOU DONT WANT A JESUS THAT HAS SEX WITH HIS OWN MOTHER WELL THATS WHAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH. AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TOUGH LUCK.”
Dead give away. Not a COG member. Nice try anyways.
More anti-COG people using the internet to deceive. Not much of an audience here anyways. God’s people examine the Bible for the truth, not the internet.
2 Corinthians 11:13 — For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
By: Jim on March 1, 2009
at 2:55 pm
Good job Brother Jim. These anti-Church of God people are not fooling anyone. Now let’s see who these anti-Church of God people belong to:
John 8:44
44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Prophecy being fulfilled right before our eyes. The children of the devil is trying to deceive and show lies to the elect, as if it were possible.
Matthew 24:24
24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
By: Elijah on March 1, 2009
at 8:50 pm
Ur all falling like flies.. 1 by 1..
Questions evaded and not answered…
Topics changed…
Ignored facts…
Defensive guilt tactics…
It’s old, and soon ur mother J will die! SHE WILL DIE! And when that happens, it will be a very very happy day for all of us!
By: ben on March 1, 2009
at 10:15 pm
Jim said:”God’s people examine the Bible for the truth, not the internet.”
Mother God uses internet to post her deceiving sermons. LOL
http://www.watv.org.
Good job Ben. Now let me show who is the Anti-Christ that has the number of the beast “666” Mother of course
See prophecy is fulfilled right before our eyes. These children of the devil are using the internet to deceive and show lies to the elect, as if Mother God is possible.
Well , She cannot walk on the water or get a good catch of fish but does take her children for a boat ride singing ” Row, Row, Row my boat gently down the stream merrily merrily since Ahn’s death life for me has been a dream”
By: sarah on March 2, 2009
at 1:50 am
Jamie, how come your not editing sarah’s last comment? Did you read the last paragraph? It’s very childish. What about ben’s last post? It’s childish also. Well Jamie, if you don’t do anything on those comments that you are a straight Church of God hater Jamie.
In the Bible we can see that many souls were led to salvation when they were given a wake-up call such as the cry of Jonah and the preaching of Peter.
Just as a rooster crows to announce the dawn and wake people up, God’s people should awaken this dark and gloomy world with the voice of preaching the gospel. Spiritually, this is the age of confusion and darkness. Unless we sound the wake-up call to the world, nobody will be able to spiritually discern this time. We have to awaken the souls who are in a deep sleep with a loud and clear voice, steer them away from hell where they are destined to go and lead them to heaven.
“Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned”
– The preaching of Jonah awakened the Ninevites
Jonah 1:1-17 『The word of the LORD came to Jonah son of Amittai: “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.” But Jonah ran away from the LORD and headed for Tarshish. He went down to Joppa, where he found a ship bound for that port. After paying the fare, he went aboard and sailed for Tarshish to flee from the LORD. Then the LORD sent a great wind on the sea, and such a violent storm arose that the ship threatened to break up. … Then they took Jonah and threw him overboard, and the raging sea grew calm. … and Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights.』
God sent Jonah to Nineveh the capital of Assyria, telling him to shout out a cry of alarm to awaken the Ninevites.
The people of Nineveh were not looking for God and persecuting the Israelites. So Jonah thought that his life would be threatened if he went to Neneveh and preached God’s message to the people. He set out to flee to Tarshish. However, he went through a quite an ordeal because he didn’t carry out his task as a prophet entrusted with the mission to wake up the world. Finally, he repented and went to Nineveh to preach the message that God gave him.
Jonah 3:1-10 『Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah a second time: “Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you.” Jonah obeyed the word of the LORD and went to Nineveh. … On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned.” The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. … When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.』
When Jonah proclaimed God’s message, all the people in Nineveh─the king, over 120,000 inhabitants and even the animals─put on sackcloth and fasted. The cry of Jonah awakened the spiritual senses of the Ninevites and led them to repent-ance, so that they could escape destruction.
“Repent and be baptized in the name of Christ”
– The preaching of Peter spread throughout Jerusalem
The Bible tells us that unless we sound a wake-up call to the world, the world will be sleeping in darkness forever. However, if we give the cry of alarm, all the people of the world will wake up from the deep sleep of death. As Jonah led many to repentance, so did Peter; in a single day, he led 3,000 people to repent and confess their sins to God.
Acts 2:14-36 『Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. … Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”』
Acts 2:37-41 『When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. … Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.』
Peter was moved by the Holy Spirit and boldly proclaimed the word of God. Over 3,000 people walking in darkness were spiritually awakened by his sermon and received Christ.
God has given us the task of giving a wake-up call to the world─the same mission He entrusted to Jonah and Peter. As God makes a rooster crow to announce the dawn, so He has given His people a special talent to awaken the world. We must not be silent but go and wake up the world, as God’s faithful people.
If Peter had not proclaimed God’s word and just kept silent, would he have been able to lead over 3,000 souls to repentance in a day? If we do not give a wake-up call to the world, people will not be awakened from their deep spiritual sleep.
Spiritual watchmen awaken the world with the voice of God
Ezek 3:17-21 『”Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. …”』
Ezek 3:7-11 『”… Do not be afraid of them or terrified by them, though they are a rebellious house.” And he said to me, “Son of man, listen carefully and take to heart all the words I speak to you. Go now to your countrymen in exile and speak to them. Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says,’ whether they listen or fail to listen.”』
These words are given not only to the prophet Ezekiel, but to all people who believe in God. The saints who believe in God have been appointed as the watchmen of truth. Our task is to give a wake-up call to the world.
When we preach the word of God, we must not add to or take away from it. Then we will be able to lead the world to repentance and salvation.
Rev 22:18-19 『I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.』
This verse reminds us of our mission to preach the word of God as it is. The world is full of darkness, being chained to Satan, so that people cannot know the true will of God. The saints of God must not leave this dark world just as it is, but awaken it with the word of God little by little.
Christ, the mystery of God
When we preach the gospel to Samaria and the ends of the earth, the gospel will serve as a trumpet call to wake up the world. Christ is the greatest mystery described in the words of the gospel.
Col 1:23-27 『if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. … the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.』
We are living in the last days. To lead us on the path to salvation, God made known to us the greatest mystery, namely, Christ. It is the Bible that testifies about Christ (John 5:39). Therefore, any thought or philosophy of man must not be added. We have to understand God’s providence for the salvation of mankind through the words of the Bible without adding or taking away.
The Bible testifies about Christ─the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations─as follows:
Romans 5:12-14 『Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned … Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.』
Here “the one to come” means Jesus to come a second time. The Bible says Adam was a pattern of Christ. This contains a significant meaning. God created the first man Adam and made Eve from his rib. So when people talk about Adam, his wife Eve is automatically mentioned as well.
If Adam represents Christ to come a second time, whom does his wife Eve represent? In order to know about Christ─the mystery of God─described in the Bible, we need to find the answers to the following questions through the Bible: Why did God create Adam and Eve? Why did He make Adam a pattern of Christ to come a second time? And what relationship does Adam’s wife, Eve, have with Christ who is to come a second time?
God the Mother, the Bride of the Lamb
Let’s see how the Apostle John describes Christ to come a second time, who is typified by Adam in the book of Romans.
Rev 19:6-8 『Then I heard … “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)』
The term “Lamb” in Revelation refers to Jesus to come a second time. The Apostle John saw through revelation the wife of the Lamb, the bride, as well as the Lamb. Revelation 21 describes the wife of the Lamb as follows:
Rev 21:9-10 『One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.』
The angel said to John he would show him the wife of the Lamb, and he showed him Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven. Let’s see what the relationship is between the heavenly Jerusalem and us.
Gal 4:26 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
The Jerusalem that is above means the Jerusalem in heaven. From Trinity’s point of view, Christ the Lamb is our Father. Therefore, the Bride─the wife of the Lamb who is our Father─is our spiritual Mother.
We can reconfirm the existence of our spiritual Father and Mother through the records of the Creation with which God opened up His plan for the salvation of mankind.
Gen 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
The God who created man was not one, but two─the plural “Us.” The Bible says, “God created man in his own image, the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Through these words, we can confirm that there are both male and female images for God.
The male image of God has been called “Father” for thousands of years. In Matthew Jesus taught His disciples how to pray: “Our Father in heaven …” (Matt 6:9). Then, what should we call the female image of God? In Galatians, She is called “our Mother.” The Bible clearly testifies not only about “our Father,” but also about “our Mother.”
The Bible begins with Adam and Eve, and ends with the Spirit and the Bride
The Bible says that the mystery of Christ has been kept hidden for ages and generations. The word “hidden” implies something that already existed. To understand the mystery of God is to understand the existence of God that has been hidden from ages and from generations─since the creation of the world.
Our physical life is given by our physical mothers. Likewise, our spiritual life, eternal life, is to be given by our spiritual Mother. Therefore, we must believe in both God the Father and God the Mother to gain eternal life.
Many religious leaders today exclude all the records concerning Mother and insist that God the Father alone made heaven and earth and created mankind. However, God says that if anyone takes words away from the Bible, He will take away from him his share in the holy city, the kingdom of God. Eternal salvation is given to those who trust God’s word, not men’s.
When we understand all these truths, written connectedly from Genesis to Revelation, we can give praise to God our Father and glory to God our Mother.
In Revelation, the last Adam─Christ who is the Lamb─appears, along with His wife. The Elohim Gods, who appear at the beginning of the Bible, reveal Their existence again to us at the end of the Bible and make known to us all the mysteries that have been kept hidden for ages and generations.
Rev 22:17 『The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.』
The Lamb and His bride or wife in Revelation 19 and 21 are described as the Spirit and the Bride in Revelation 22. As the Spirit is Christ─God our Father, we can understand that the Bride is the wife of Christ─God our Mother who appears in Genesis 1.
God said, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.” The terms Beginning and End refer to two points (termini). God is from everlasting to everlasting, so He has no beginning or end. Then, why does God say He is the Beginning and the End?
The Bible consists of 66 books. Genesis 1 is the first chapter of the Bible, and Revelation 22 is the last chapter of it. In Genesis 1, God the Father and God the Mother created man in Their own image, saying, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,” and male and female They created them. The Gods appear as the Spirit and the Bride in Revelation 22 and say, “Come to take the water of life,” and They warn us not to add to or take away from Their words.
Wake up the world with the voice of the Spirit and the Bride
We need to look at the words of the Bible just as they are, so that we can get salvation. The prophet Hosea lamented, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6). As the people of Zion, we should always study the words of the Bible and obey the will of God the Father and God the Mother, in order that we may receive eternal life and salvation.
Those who want to live according to the teachings of the Bible must believe in God the Mother as well as God the Father. With this message, we should awaken the world. If we understand the mystery of God that has been kept hidden from ages and from generations, we should give a wake-up call to the world by preaching the good news to all people.
God has given us an alarm call to wake up the world. Just as a rooster crows to herald the break of a day, we have to awaken the dawn. With the voice of preaching the gospel, let us wake up this dark world. “Believe in God the Father and God the Mother and fear Them, and you will be saved.” Let us proclaim this message with a louder voice than Jonah and Peter.
By: Bright Angel on March 2, 2009
at 4:04 am
Hello everyone and I hope that our Heavenly Father and Mother is blessing you all for your keeping and holding to the testimony of Bible. I have been reading the comments above and it’s sad that there are some who criticize our Heavenly Father and Mother. Well for my brothers and sisters, I hope you guys will continue to preach the good news of salvation. Jane Wellington was here from New Zealand Zion.
By: Jane Wellington on March 2, 2009
at 4:16 am
ben, the problem is that you guys don’t hold on to the testimony of God. Instead, you ben and your anti-Church of God choose to use the opinion of men to try to understand God’s administration.
1 John 5:9
9We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
1 Corinthians 1:25
25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.
Clear enough ben? God bless you.
Deacon Elijah
Leading my Brothers and Sisters to stand firm to the end.
By: Elijah on March 2, 2009
at 4:32 am
Nope… It’s never clear coming from you Elijah. U just changed the subject again. *sigh*
By: ben on March 2, 2009
at 10:08 am
I think Jamie should be deleting bright devil’s lengthy post. This is a site for discussing flaws in the COG doctrine that is deceiving the innocent not for posting M’s sermon.
The boat ride was a fact with reference to the picture by one of your member on you tube. I’m glad that you understood the nursery rhyme easily just as you do with the fables of the church. Now who are the kiddies?
Deacon Elijah
Leading my Brothers and Sisters to stand firm to the end.
So when was this title Deacon (of the internet) conferred upon you. Hmm! I guess after having pleased mother by hanging around the anti-cog sites for a very long time and without any solid answers.
M. God also receives awards only in korea (man’s opinion on appreciating her gardening work, medals for running the cult marathon and visits to the hospitals) what a cheap contribution to the society. To win the nobel prize she must stop preaching about nuclear war and disasters
Bright said: “Believe in God the Father and God the Mother and fear them, and you will be saved.” Let us proclaim this message with a louder voice than Jonah and Peter.
You can proclaim till you lose your voice and live with lots and lots of fear yet there will be no salvation for those believing in false Gods.
By: sarah on March 2, 2009
at 12:22 pm
So Ben and Sarah resort to name calling and childish taunts.
Still wondering what you are trying to accomplish. Well, we all know what you are trying to do, but it is all in vain.
Ben keeps saying people are changing the subject, as if he is the teacher of some virtual online classroom. Lol. Open your eyes Ben, do you believe the prophecies? Do you have any interest in knowing the prophecies regarding this last age or are you just an opposer of Christ who speaks empty words?
By: Jim on March 2, 2009
at 1:54 pm
Ummm… Which Christ are you referring to? If Jesus, then say Jesus. If Ahnsahngman, then say Ahnsahngman. I do believe in prophecies, just not that your dead Korean man-god and dying Korean woman-god has/is fulfilling them.
You acknowledge that you change the topic, yet you have no intention on answering past questions that you and ur church members have left hanging.
You couldn’t even answer me whether or not you celebrate your birthday or New Years. It’s as simple as a Yes or a No. So which is it Elijah?
By: ben on March 2, 2009
at 4:26 pm
Again ben. We have nothing against you personally, neither to Sarah. But you guys concentrate on what the Bible testifies based on men’s opinion instead of what it actually testifies. We would love to have you guys on our church and become one of the children of promise according to the Scripture. But you guys have to soften your calloused hearts and listen to the prophecies of the Scripture. No matter how you guys think of how crazy the prophecies of the Bible, it’s still gonna be fulfilled no matter what because it is the Will of God. God bless you ben and Sarah.
By: Elijah on March 2, 2009
at 5:41 pm
I can’t believe this blog is still active Jamie, lol. But I did miss you Jamie, COGinator and Dark Angel whom I used to preached. Anyway, I’m glad to see that more and more Zions are being established throughout the world. It is very clear that the prophecy of the Bible is being fulfilled. Brothers and Sisters, everyone has done an outstanding job on preaching the gospel of Christ. Let’s continue to preach to love of Mother to the whole world. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on March 2, 2009
at 5:48 pm
So true brofromzion. We have Sister Jane from New Zealand Zion, Brother Shahzad from Pakistan Zion, and Brother Francis from San Diego CA Zion currently in Rota Spain. What else can I say? Just the truth of God’s administration.
By: Bright Angel on March 2, 2009
at 5:52 pm
Yeesh… Still no answers from any of you.
Your being “nice” all of a sudden is just another tactic of evading facts like you don’t want to admit to celebrating pagan days of celebration like your own birthdays and New years.
Your not going to “win” any souls that way. I’m happy with Jesus thank you very much. Dead and dying Koreans just aren’t my thing.
By: ben on March 2, 2009
at 8:02 pm
ben, why are you still acting like a damn child? Your immature acts here doesn’t get us anywhere. We should be looking at what the Bible testifies. That’s the most important thing so we could understand the Scripture.
By: Bright Angel on March 2, 2009
at 8:11 pm
TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO CALLS HIMSELF
“BEN” JUST TO LET YOU KNOW “BEN”
YOUR NAME IS ONE OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL “BENJAMIN” NO DOUBT THE NAME IS BLESSED BY GOD .. BUT YOU MY FRIEND ARE OBVOUISLY NOT..
YOUR WISHING DEATH ON MOTHER JERUSALEM.. AND SAYING THAT MOTHER GOD IS DYING.. WELL HOW CAN GOD DIE?
WHY ARE YOU WISHING DEATH ON MOTHER
AND CONTINUE TO SAY THINGS PROVACATIVE TO TAUNT CHURCH OF GOD MEMBERS? YOU ARE DOING THE WORST MY FRIEND… BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT,
SO “BEN” THEIRS NO FORGIVENESS FOR YOU IN THIS LIFE OR THE WORLD TO COME .. SO REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU SLEEP
AT NIGHT YOU ARE NOT
REPEAT: YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HEAVEN.. BEN MY FRIEND YOU HAVE A BLESSED NAME AND LOOK HOW YOU RESPOUND TO YOUR CREATORS!
AND YOU OTHER PEOPLE…..
“SARAH” AS YOU CALL YOUR SELF
YOUR NAME IS BLESSED TO SO USE IT WISELY
STOP HANDLING “BEN” WITH KID GLOVES..
HE IS NOTHING…
HE WILL GO ON TYPING FOREVER..
BECAUSE HE IS NOTHING “BEN”
IS NOTHING…..
JAMAL R ICHINOSEKI
By: JAMALTHEGOD on March 3, 2009
at 8:37 am
@Bright Angel
I am only seeking answers to questions you guys have never answered, and I’m acting like a child? It’s not going anywhere because you guys won’t let it. You try to stop the flow of argument and conversation to save ur behinds. If we can get clear and direct answers, we wouldn’t be going around in circles now would we?
@Jamal
Stop the act, even ur fellow “brothers” don’t believe you to be legit.
“FRIEND YOU HAVE A BLESSED NAME AND LOOK HOW YOU RESPOUND TO YOUR CREATORS!”
Creators? Ummm… Right.. That’s really in the Bible now isn’t it.
By: ben on March 3, 2009
at 9:08 am
“YOUR WISHING DEATH ON MOTHER JERUSALEM.. AND SAYING THAT MOTHER GOD IS DYING.. WELL HOW CAN GOD DIE?”
Ummm…. She is dying… Not only that, she is deaf (she has a hearing aid), and she cannot speak English (or all other languages for that matter). She is not God. God is omnipotent, omnipresent and all powerful. Ur dying korean woman is powerless, knows nothing and is stuck in a building in korea. That’s why people have to physically go to her, coz she cannot go to them – shes too old. And when she dies, like i said before, it will be a very happy day for all of you!
By: ben on March 3, 2009
at 9:12 am
WELL BEN
SEEMS LIKE
THE JOKES ON YOU…
because she is god.
THATS WHAT EVERYONE HERE HAS BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU…..
YOUR A IDIOT. A UNREASONING ANIMAL
YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MOTHER JERUSALEM. YOU DONT DESERVE THE NAME “BEN” YOU ARE JEALOUS OF CHURCH OF GOD MEMBERS AND JEALOUS OF YOUR OWN FEMALE KOREAN GOD
WHICH IS A SHAME..
I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU… YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HEAVEN..
TOO BAD…
By: JAMALTHEGOD on March 3, 2009
at 9:38 am
AND AS FOR “JIM”
AND “ELIJAH”
WHICH BY THE WAY ARE ALSO BLESSED NAMES……. I AM FROM THE CHURCH OF GOD…
IN RESEDA.. PASTOR JOHN IS THE PASTOR
AND THEY CAME FROM THE SUNLAND CHURCH.. WHICH CHURCH ARE YOU FROM..?
YOU GO ON LETTING GENTILES BLASPHEM MOTHER GOD WITH OUT SAYING ANYTHING TO THEM…… AND THEN TRY TO USE SCRIPTURE AGAINST ME..
SO WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME?
SOME CHRITIANS YOU ARE.
IM TRYING TO DEFEND FATHER AND MOTHER AND YOU HELP THE UNBELIVERS.
STOP ALL YOUR PRIDEFUL SCRIPTURE QOUTING AND IF THESE GENTILES SARAH
AND BEN DONT BELEIVE SO WHAT???
LET THEM GO TO HELL!!!
WHERE THEY BELONG… FOR BLASPHEMING MOTHER JERUSALEM.
By: JAMALTHEGOD on March 3, 2009
at 9:53 am
Whatever you say Jamal the “God”… Nice blasphemies right there. :)
By: ben on March 3, 2009
at 2:15 pm
Jamal: YOU DONT WANT A JESUS THAT HAS SEX WITH HIS OWN MOTHER WELL THATS WHAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH
And do you think one would want a Korean Jesus that had sex with many.
THE CHURCH OF GOD FLORISHES AND YOU ARE ALL MAD YOUR ON THE OUTSIDE AND NOT A PART OF IT.
YOU ARE JEALOUS OF CHURCH OF GOD MEMBERS AND JEALOUS OF YOUR OWN FEMALE KOREAN GOD
You are mistaken dear, we feel happy not to be a part of this mad cult worshipping some Korean doll. Only fools permit the flies who hover around malls, colleges etc. to sit on their brain and spread the germs. Hey! Why don’t you preach in the open and let’s see if you are able to have a large crowd listen to you. Jesus did it 2000 years ago. M. does not even pay a visit to your churches worldwide.
The Jamal: YOU GO ON LETTING GENTILES BLASPHEM MOTHER GOD WITH OUT SAYING ANYTHING TO THEM…… AND THEN TRY TO USE SCRIPTURE AGAINST ME.
How sad Jim and the deacon Elijah too could not recognize their bro Jamal. What a joke?
I like when you guys say “our heavenly bros/sis” “we are going to heaven” “We are going to heaven”
It sets a picture in my mind like all the Cog members being sucked in a tornado, accelerating upwards toward the sky and after it loses its strength “THUD “everyone falls in this place called “the lake of fire”
Now why must you worry? Does your god need defenders, Jamal? Is our Blasphemy working on them? You begin to make us feel more powerful than your God. What we put forth are the facts. If you Jamal are chosen as the defender then you would at least answer the questions since no one did so far.
Thank you Jamal our names are indeed blessed. God talked about false prohets and you see He has a purpose for his creators like us to help save the poor souls from the snares of the Satan.
By: sarah on March 3, 2009
at 2:20 pm
Jamal, stop being an impostor. Your not fooling anyone. We know our brothers and sisters. The more you talk Jamal, the more I know that your not my brother.
Jamal said “STOP ALL YOUR PRIDEFUL SCRIPTURE QOUTING AND IF THESE GENTILES SARAH
AND BEN DONT BELEIVE SO WHAT???
LET THEM GO TO HELL!!!
WHERE THEY BELONG… FOR BLASPHEMING MOTHER JERUSALEM.”
Luke 15:3-32
3Then Jesus told them this parable: 4″Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
8″Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ 10In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
11Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. 12The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.
13″Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.
17″When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.’ 20So he got up and went to his father.
“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
21″The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
22″But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
25″Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27’Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’
28″The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’
31” ‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ “
By: Elijah on March 3, 2009
at 4:32 pm
SARAH
YOU SEEM TO KNOW ALOT ABOUT
CHRIST AHHN SANG HONGS PERSONAL LIFE.
YOU SAY HE HAD SEX WITH MANY..
YOU SAID HE HAD COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH MOTHER JERUSALEM.
ONCE AGAIN YOUR RIGHT… I GUESS THE HEAVENLY BROTHERS DO ENJOY HEARING THIS ABOUT THIER FATHER AND MOTHER.
SEE. ITS COMPLICATED… ITS LIKE THE BROTHERS HAVE GONE ASTRAY, WERE IN A CIVIL WAR..
BUT EVERYTHING THE CHURCH OF GOD TEACHES IS THE TRUTH.
AND MOTHER JERUSALEM IS GOD. THE BROTHERS ARE INFLUENCING PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO LIVE PERFECT PURE LIVES LIKE MOTHER TERESA…BUT EVEN GOD DID NOT WITH MARY MADELENE………….
I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE.
IF THE OTHERS HAVENT. I WILL BE HONEST AND PRESENT THE FACTS.
IF YOU WILL IN TURN TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT ALL THIS INFORMATION SAYING THAT
THE CHRIST MUST COME FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH.. AND CHRIST AHHN SONG HONGS LIFE.
By: JAMALTHEGOD on March 4, 2009
at 1:15 am
Hello Jaime. I have been thinking of visiting Singapore. Do you mind if we meet there and maybe you can show me around? Let me know. Thanks Jaime.
By: Bright Angel on March 10, 2009
at 6:29 pm
Hey Bright Angel,
Where are you from? And is Jamie from Singapore? Hmmm… Seems we really haven’t gotten to know each other on this blog huh…
By: ben on March 11, 2009
at 10:24 am
Yes ben. If you read all the comments and arguments above you’ll find that Jamie had mentioned she’s living in Singapore, it’s somewhere up there. I heard Singapore is nice and I’ve always wanted to visit.
By: Bright Angel on March 11, 2009
at 4:03 pm
DOXY
Let them go, Doxy. Let them go.
And I’m gonna tell you what is a shame.
Not being able to understand your own kids.
It doesn’t matter to me if you don’t consider me a true christian, for I was never one in the beginning. All I know is that I have hope for a better life. I am sorry for your situation. You should be more comprehensive and accept your children’s decision.
THE ONE WHO ASKED ABOUT BIRTHDAYS
I personally don’t celebrate my birthdays, I do remember my birthday by buying myself a treat.
And I don’t see any harm with birthdays, it’s just my birthdate every year, that’s it. It’s not like I’m worshipping Mithra when I buy me a pretty dress. That’s dumb. As for New Year’s, I don’t see the big deal either. It’s the starting of a new cycle, not the worship of the Chinese Dragon. I have seen small gatherings for birthdays and I don’t think New Year’s is celebrated in the church. I doubt it. It has not been the case here with me.
Hey, Ben! Is typing working? Is breathing working? You think I live in the church?
And about that website, I have no clue where you find all this info, and I can tell you that Cog and that website are different doctrines.
You say you know so much about the Cog, then tell me how do I know that all these things you say about Ahnsanghong and Zhang are true?
Where do you get the info? Is it a reliable website? Is it a reliable source? Have you spoken to someone who works inside the church or knows about the foundation of the church? Have you read a book about it? How do I know if Zhang really was Ahnsanhong’s lover? It’s easy for me to say DOXY IS THE GOD WARRIOR IN YOUTUBE.
And yeah it’s easy to say AHNSANGHONG IS SECOND COMING CHRIST. Prove me wrong. No bible verses please. Where did you get the info?
By: Lisle on March 14, 2009
at 1:34 pm
Lisle said: “And yeah it’s easy to say AHNSANGHONG IS SECOND COMING CHRIST. Prove me wrong. No bible verses please. Where did you get the info?”
Simple… He’s DEAD Lisle. I got that from countless sites, even the official CoG site – Pro COG and Anti CoG sites. And he didn’t rise from the dead. He’s still buried in a little cemetery in south korea. Mother J will be buried soon too since her time is almost up.
The birthday celebration was made by pagans to ward off bad spirits. That’s why today, we tend to make noise with horns and party poppers, etc. It was derived from that root. You say we celebrate pagan days yet you do the same. Celebrating on a Sunday doesn’t make a difference to you celebrating on a Saturday. If you think that Saturday actually means Sabbath day, then please get your facts straightened out first. Saturday was named to celebrate the greek God Saturn. Same thing… So u r celebrating Saturn’s day.
As for New Years, you mentioned it isn’t celebrated in the church (as well as birthdays I’m guessing). Not true. Some churches gather during New Years to pray for a blessed year to come. But even so, does that mean I can celebrate Christmas or Easter at home? And not go to church so that it seems I’m not practicing paganism? Celebrating outside the church or inside the church is irrelevant. Celebrating is celebrating. How about that video of Mother Js day. I was fortunate to see that before CoG took it off the net. It was quite entertaining :p
I’ve researched multiple sites, got incites from different people – CoG members and non-CoG members. I have family who tried to convert me but got irate and cold when I could prove them wrong with facts, or because they couldn’t answer my questions. They became distant to the rest of my family just because we didn’t wna accept their beliefs.
You try to be rational, but it’s the inconsistency that’s amazing here. Other CoG members dnt wna use rationality. You and some others do. Yet nothing is solid coming from any of you.
I haven’t read the Ahnsahngman’s book, but I have read a few excerpts from it. I’m just wondering if you have Lisle? What can you say about it?
By: ben on March 15, 2009
at 11:21 pm
Ben, have you seen Proof of Ahnsanghong I, II and III?
This is what I don’t trust: websites like that.
If you have any info on websites or videos, or books, or testimony of an ex Cog that is proven false, I can’t rely on your information. I hear a lot of bs from every single religion, even atheism.
My curiosity stems from the fact that someone said
that Zhang was Ahnsanghong’s lover. And Ahnsanghong wasn’t really a stonemacer.
Who said this? Do you know where it’s coming from and if the websites are reliable and if there is any way I can talk to an Ex-Pastor, ex-deacon?
A lot of info on the net is unfiltered.
By: Lisle on March 19, 2009
at 2:22 am
Well the Lisle, try googling the oh so many blogs online made by multiple (or maybe just one person, who knows) CoG members who testify how Ahnsahngman had to live a hard life as a mason, poor him for having to lift all those rocks! It makes me laugh all the time!
By: ben on March 21, 2009
at 4:22 pm
Hi, all
I haven’t posted here before (the sheer number of posts scrolling down the screen is a little overwhelming for me), but I’ve got many questions over at http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz/forum and I’m having a real hard time getting answers. So I was just hoping to direct some traffic that way in hope of getting some good answers.
Elijah, I’ve missed hearing from you–it’s been a while, but I see you’ve been here. I thought we were on reasonably good terms and that if anyone would be able to help me out with these things, you would. My latest question has to do with scriptures that support the fallen angels doctrine….
By: genny on March 24, 2009
at 3:58 pm
Hi genny. So you missed me? How sweet of you. So when can we have dinner together? LOL! Keep reading your Bible and hopefully you could understand it. God bless you genny.
By: Elijah on March 26, 2009
at 10:29 pm
All of you are crazy ignorant people…
except church of god members
By: kc on April 14, 2009
at 2:02 pm
Hello kc and God bless you. Let’s remember Mother’s teachings. If they don’t want to listen to the Spirit, then it’s their choice. Although there are still people that slander the Church of God, truly the prophecy is still being fulfilled. The Cult Watch site really failed big time because even though people see it, our lost brothers and sisters still choose to follow the Words of God as they know the even Jesus Christ was branded as a cult 2000 years ago because the Jews and Pharisees are stuck in the name of Jehovah because they failed to understand the prophecies in the Scripture. Mother Jerusalem will be praised in the whole world as prophecied in the Bible. More and more Zions are being established all over the world and our lost brothers and sisters are starting to stream to Zion, like doves that goes back to their nest. The sooner we find them all, the sooner we get to go back to heaven with Father and Mother as prophecied in the Bible. Let’s continue to preach the gospel and find our lost brothers and sisters so we could all have that eternal life promised through the Passover of the New Covenant.
By: brofromzion on April 14, 2009
at 6:36 pm
UNBELIEVERS, VIPERS (SATAN) you who lead the world astray, Why do you prosecute people of the Church of God (Take a good look at you Church and open your eyes, your Church doesn’t even teach Gods commands). Bless you Brother and Sisters of the Church of God, they will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. You IGNORANT PEOPLE waiting for some miracle in the sky. Do you not know that the Jews 2000 years ago could not accept Jesus because they thought the appearance of their Messiah would be a glorious and majestic. You who don’t follow the teaching of god, is like a body without a spirit (DEAD), stop grumbling among yourselves. He who belongs to God hears what God says, The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God. You belong to your father the Devil. If you love me (God) you will obey what I command!!!! And what is God command??????Love each other as I have love you, This is God command. Love each other.
By: JOHN on April 23, 2009
at 2:32 am
Yes, I can see how you show us you love us very much by calling us vipers and satan.
By: Jamie on April 23, 2009
at 9:26 am
Okay, I just happen to search for a gospel of the truth straight from the bible and I ran into this website..I read some of these comments and some of the experiences …I hurt for the reason is because no matter which way you see it “REALLY” we all are sinners and WE can even keep the Ten Commandments, In stead of trying to understand on your own about Heavenly father and Mother and the spirit and bride…Start with the Ten Commandments..can you really truthfully say you keep all Ten Commandments..Before even answering this comment LOOK And SEEK the Truth…The main commandment we all have never Kept is REMEMBER*Seventh Day>OUR Lord Created & Rested Made it Holy and Named it the Seventh day….Jewish law.HMMMMM””” they even broke it…. that is why OUR GOD ALmighty open the path for the Gentiles….beleive this first..obsorb it…Know it and your Spirit that lives in your body knows the truth why because in Geneises Our lord Breathe into our nostrils and we were given a spirit of his image…Look for yourself…READ IT CAREFULLY (US) (OUR IMAGE) LOOK HERE IS A COPY OF THE VERSE***26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. YOU have a bible Read it see it KNOW IT>>>that is why OUR GOD ALMIGHTY says seek and you will find….Knock and it will be open to you……….then you can understand the truth…JUST REMEMBER THE SEVENTH DAY >>SABBATH ***Created ,Blessed it, and made IT HOLY…for US****Why would you not want to be in it…hmmmmm
By: Jeane on April 27, 2009
at 9:31 pm
Read Genesis 1 vs 26 You can see How he made man and woman…HOW holy is our FATHER that he says IN the Begining was the Word and the Word is God. How can we question this ….hmmmm**Yes there is Heavenly Father & Heavenly Mother…Chuch of God is where the word of life is real….AMEN
By: Jeane on April 27, 2009
at 10:09 pm
All the glory to Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem. Church of God is where all the prophecies of the Bible is clear as crystal. More and more people around the world from different tribes, languages, and origin background are coming to Zion to seek God’s will and celebrate the feasts of God especially the Passover that gives eternal life. I myself am a former atheist and only the Church of God truly has the truth. Nothing is impossible if it’s God’s will.
1 Corinthians 15:9-10 9For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.
Just like before when I criticize the Church of God, Apostle Paul did it also. But when God used him, he actually worked harder than the other apostles. Looking at his previous life, he’s not even worthy to be called an Apostle of Christ. It’s amazing how God’s will works.
Truly the Bible has no contradiction if we listen to Christ Ahnsahnghong the Root of David who unsealed the scrolls of the Scripture so that the prophecy that God’s mystery will be revealed to His saints and now it’s actually happening. Thanks Sister Jeane for sharing the fragrance of Zion and helping unbelievers see the truth.
By: Dark Angel II on April 27, 2009
at 11:08 pm
Thanks always to our Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother thru Christ Ahnsahnghong thru the Holy Spirit US Children have been blessed. IF They can just read the Truth and know….Mother is Hurting/// See Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. ****WOWWWW* I love Our Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother….Amen!!!!God Bless U Brother DARK ANGEL II….
By: Jeane on April 28, 2009
at 5:14 am
Thanks to Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for the abundant blessings we have received from Them. I would like to share the story of one of our Heavenly Sister. Sister Wendy from Los Angeles Zion went through a lot and it help her grew spiritually.
Mother Never Let Me Go
Sister Wendy from Los Angeles Zion
I would like to begin this fragrance by giving all praise and thanks to my Saviors, Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem. Without the great love of Father and Mother, I would not have purpose or meaning in life. Thank You for taking me out of Babylon and giving me the privilege of working for You, by preaching the new covenant of life and love.
For many years of my life, my soul was being poisoned by the teachings of Babylon. My parents forced me to attend an all girls Catholic Middle and High School. I was being taught directly by nuns from the Catholic Church. I grew up, thinking that the father on earth was the Pope and the mother on earth was the Virgin Mary. How pitiful my life was! When I turned 13 years old, my older sister preached to me about idols and she took me to Zion for Bible studies. This was in the year 1999. The LA Church of God had been recently established in downtown LA. It looked more like a house than a church. I remember when I walked inside, Zion had a white carpet and there was a big white room with a table, chairs, and a white board. Everyone in the Church apart from a few Americans were Korean. Even the services were in Korean. The American brothers and sisters needed to wear headphones to hear the service as it was being translated by a sister in English. It was so different from all the other churches, but what I remember most is the love I felt from the people that greeted me. I learned about the Secret of the Forgiveness of Sins. After that, many months went by and my sister continuously preached to me. My heart was so hardened. I felt like I needed to give my allegiance to the Catholic Church. However, I couldn?셳 deny what was written in the Bible because it was so factual. It was really hard for me to accept that everything I ever believed in was a lie! I felt like my world came tumbling down before my eyes.
When my parents found out that I attended the Church, they were very upset. However, I continued going to the Church of God, they made me go to a different Christian church. They thought the Church of God was a cult and wanted me to attend a different church and forget about Zion. Slowly but surely, I started to forget the true teachings of the Bible. 5 years passed by and the only truth that I could remember was the Sabbath Day and Cross Reverence is Idolatry. Those two teachings were enough to make me realize that all the churches that I attended were false because they had a cross or kept services on Sundays. I made a promise to God that when I turned 18 years old I would go back. During those 5 years I prayed to God to help me never forget the truth and to wait for me.
The summer before I turned 18, I worked really hard, saved up money and bought my own car. It was the year 2004 and I graduated from high school. After 5 long years in confusion and doubt, I made a resolution to keep my promise and go back to Zion, but I had lost all contact with anyone who went to the Church. I drove by the Church in downtown LA, but the Church had moved from location and I didn?셳 know where it was. I looked for old pamphlets that I had saved from years ago and I found different phone numbers written on the back. As I called them, they turned out to be disconnected and wrong numbers. I looked on line and I couldn?셳 find the Church. I thought I was never going to find Zion again. I was giving up hope when all of a sudden I looked in an old box in my closet and found a picture of Father and Mother. I found a veil bag with 2 veils, a really old New Song Book, and another Church of God pamphlet with another phone number. I had forgotten that I had saved all of these things! I called the number on the back of the pamphlet and it was the phone number to the Church. The pastor answered the phone and gave me the Church?셲 address and the service times. The Church was about 45 minutes away from my house. I was so happy. Father and Mother allowed a great miracle to happen!
That Friday I couldn?셳 sleep. I was so excited and nervous. I really hoped that when I went back to study the Bible, I wouldn?셳 find any discrepancies or contradictions in the Church?셲 teachings. That Saturday morning I filled my car with gas and drove to Zion. Now the Church was bigger and the service was in English and there were many American brothers and sisters. I walked into the morning service 15 minutes before the service began. The veil I put on was different than every one else?셲 and so was the New Song Book; my veil and New Song Book were outdated. I didn?셳 understand the sermon because I didn?셳 know what a lot of things meant and how they connected to one another. After the service, brothers and sisters approached me and asked who I was, I told them my story and they were all moved. They kept saying ?쏻ow, what a miracle! After so many years you came back!??br>
From that point on, I studied a lot and read Father?셲 books every night. I was so amazed by the truth. I could feel myself falling in love with God. Father and Mother allowed me to join the choir and I started to take course classes at Church so I could learn how to preach. Slowly but surely, my faith started growing and I had aspirations to be a gospel worker. In the year 2005 I was blessed with the opportunity to go visit Mother. After seeing Mother, my life changed. My faith skyrocketed and I bore many fruits. And even my fruits bore fruit! Also, with the help of Father and Mother, I was able to overcome every single obstacle. Through so much struggle, I became strong enough to take on heavy loads and many burdens, to depend solely on God, and a burning desire to go to heaven where there is no more pain and suffering developed within me. I learned to appreciate and not complain because my suffering could never compare to that of Father and Mother.
Thank You, Father and Mother, for not leaving me behind. How could I keep You in my heart, being so young and having no real understanding? Now, looking back, I realize that You never let me go. You held on to me and patiently waited for me to come back to Your loving arms. Thank You for holding on to me and giving me the strength to overcome all the hardships. Mother and Father, I owe You my whole life. I will repay Your love by preaching this gospel and finding my lost brothers and sisters. I pray all of the heavenly children may unite in the world evangelism and speed Father?셲 Coming, shorten Mother?셲 suffering, and not allow anything to get in the way to the Kingdom of Heaven.
By: Dark Angel II on April 28, 2009
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I Am the former member who posted on here in 2010 under the name CHILD OF GOD , I Am no longer a believer in Father And Mother And I apologize for my false testimony, through time and realization and proof of scripture contradiction i realized i was in a cult for 10 years only reciting stories and verses they taught me , after dicovering their church studies originated from seventh day adventist and that the Mother of the church is divorced and has children i decided that i have been decieved and i apologise deeply for my foolishness i was blinded by falsehood Jesus Christ is the only way I have seen the light!
By: A Child of God on April 21, 2014
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Amen. It’s a good thing that our brothers and sisters are working hard to preach the gospel of Christ and making sure that the effort that Father and Mother did so that we could come back to the Kingdom of Heaven and receive eternal life, are not wasted.
Philippians 2:12-18 – 12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
14Do everything without complaining or arguing, 15so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe 16as you hold out the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing. 17But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. 18So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.
By: brofromzion on April 29, 2009
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COG and the Korean Cults
Trying to leave the cult is next to impossible in most situations. Cults often spend significant amounts of money and able to win court cases by maintaining good relationship with the government.
Brainwashing is a practice which is common among most cults and cog does it well by using the bible scriptures which make members believe they are in the true church. The members are trained to create immediate and intense intimate friendships with potential new recruits. This manufactured friendship or calling Bro/Sis creates a sense of loyalty to the group.
Another often employed technique involves scaring the members into submission. This can include threats like loss of assets or even personal salvation if the member leaves the cult. The leader convinces their followers that they are God or hold the sole key to God or the Divine forces and commonly offer promises of paradise or Utopian afterlife as a reward for being faithful to the laws and beliefs of the cult. They use manipulation techniques to slant their followers against other religions, especially those of the mainstream variety. Cults attempt to separate members from society by teaching them to fear those who don’t follow their theology.
Cults are popular among those who feel as if they do not belong to anything and have no place in society. Leaders search for lost, lonely and many times quite vulnerable members.
Korea has a high percentage of Christian and Buddhist believers, but there are many charismatic and deceitful cult leaders in that nation as well. As a result, there are many people in the country turning to Korean cults for their sense of spirituality and religion
The Reverend Sun Myung Moon started the Unification Church in South Korea in the early 1950s. He is considered by many to be the first popular Korean cult which, in turn, gave way to many different branches of Korean cults. Korea is now home to over 200 different cults, many of which are doomsday cults.
Many of the doomsday cults in Korea believe that their salvation lies in their own destruction, meaning that they either have to commit suicide or kill a group of people before committing suicide in order to be saved. There are many different aspects of each Korean cult, but almost all have a few things in common, including complete authoritative power by one leader only, typically a charismatic man with a Messiah complex or a Mother Jerusalem.
The effects of cults in Korea can be devastating. Cults in Korea not only devastate the members, but they also ruin the families that watch it happen. Many members of these cults feel as if they are accepted and embrace their leaders without seeing what damage it may be doing to them.
Experts believe that brainwashing is the main tool used in Korean cults, extreme rehabilitation maybe needed. Cults in South Korea are notorious for their involvement in swindling scandals, sexual abuse charges, and dismemberment of their victims, slave labor, and extortion of money. Despite these alarming practices, cults are making a comeback in South Korea.
According to much estimation, aided by the economic crisis in their country, a rash of new cults continues to spring up while older ones revive. Approximately 100 cult leaders currently claim to be gods, Mother Jerusalem or messiahs. They are flourishing by taking advantage of the country’s economic crisis.
South Korea also has its fair share of cult horror stories. So keep a watch on COG in 2012 as they wait for their fake God’s return to be in glory or we may have to see another end of the innocent members and be sorry.
By: Ming choel on April 30, 2009
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In the world today there are so many sects and cults, people always think of the word sect, or cult as something bad. But when you look at the definition of these words through the dictionary you will see that all religions of the world are defined as sects or cults. Even Christianity during the time of Christ was called a sect or a cult. the reason for this is that they fit all the Characteristics of what the world defines today as a sect or a cult. Let us see:
1)Cults Claim to Have all Knowing leadership:
John 21:17 {the third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.}
2) Cults only teach you up to what you are able to believe:
Hebrews 5:11 {We much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.}
3) Cults claim no room for differences(Everybody is the same):
Colossians 3:11 {Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.}
4) Cults claim to introduce a new and better way:
Hebrews 7:18-19 {the former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect),
and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.}
5) Cult members should imitate cult leader:
Philippians 2:5 {your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus}
6) Cults isolate you from your family:
Lk 18:28-30 {Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!” ,”I tell you the truth,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life.”}
7) Cults Brainwash ignorant and people who have no critical thinking.
Acts 4:13 {when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.}
8 ) Cults Recruit people:
Mk 16:15-16 {He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned}
9) Cults always claim Persecution of the Leader:
Acts 22:6-8 {”About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked ” ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.}
10) Cults have ignorant leaders:
John 7:14-16 {Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”}
11) Cults try to keep members busy:
Acts 2:46-47 {every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.}
12) Cult leaders always try to gain your trust:
John 14:1 {”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me}
13) Cults believe that by your actions you prove your faith:
James 2:17 {in the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, Is dead.}
14) Cults claim salvation is through obedience before the end comes:
2 Pet 3:10-11 {”1But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives.}
15) Cults make members dependant to the cult leader:
John 15:5 {”I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.}
16) Cults claim that there is no exit apart from the cult:
John 6:67-68 {”You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.} 17) Cult members claim to have “Spiritual Battles”:Ephesians 6:12 {for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.}
18) Cults try to keep things secret:
Matthew 17:9 {As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”}
19) Cult leaders claim to be the only way, and supreme authority:
John 14:6 {Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.}
Today it is ridiculous as a Christian that the Church of God is a cult, but we perfectly see that it fits all of the characteristics of one. God knew this, he knew that that even the truth from him was going to be labeled as a cult, for this reason he left us the Bible. We are to judge the truth through the Bible, and not through the standards and the viewpoints of the world. that is what the apostles were commended for.
2 Co 5:16 {So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer}
You want to understand who Christ is, study the Bible. You want to know who Christ Ahnsahnghong is then study the Bible at the World Mission Society Church of God. Why listen to the opinion of some website, Cult Watch. We will continue analyzing the claims made by the Cult Watch website, to prove that all the claims have no basis, no truth. All the glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.
By: Poland on April 30, 2009
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YA BUT TODAY THE WORD CULT IS AN INSULT, MAN, JUST BY ALL THE PERSECUTION GOING ON,,,,,CANT ANYONE NOTICE THAT JESUS WENT THRU THE SAME THING, DID YOU KNOW THAT FALSE CHURCHES DO NOT GET RIDICULED, ONLY THE CHURCH OF GOD, BECAUSE IT ONLY TOOK ONE EVIL PERSON TO START IT, AND THE REST ARE PUPPETS, FOLLOWING THE WILL OF SATAN, IF ANY OF YOU HAD GOD, NONE OF YOU WOULD BE SAYING THESE THINGS ABOUT OUR HOME, WHICH WE DEDICATE OURSELVES TO, IF THIS IS HOW YOUR CHURCH TEACHES YOU PEOPLE TO BEHAVE, THEN IM GLAD IM NOT IN YOUR CHURCH, BECAUSE I AM NOTHING LIKE ANY OF YOU
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
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Ming choel, I agree with all you said, I just didn’t understand the last part
“South Korea also has its fair share of cult horror stories. So keep a watch on COG in 2012 as they wait for their fake God’s return to be in glory or we may have to see another end of the innocent members and be sorry”
What do you mean by this I am a little worried.
By: worried on May 1, 2009
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FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, THE CHURCH OF GOD DOES NOT SAY THE WORLD IS ENDING IN 2012, I DONT KNOW IF YOUR MESSING WITH US, OR IF YOUR SERIOUS, BUT PLEASE, JUST BECAUSE YOUR NOT IN A CHURCH THATS HUUUGE! AS OUR AND POPULAR AND BIBLE BASED, DONT TAKE IT OUT ON US, JUST GO TO YOUR LITTLE CHURCH, WHEREVER YOU GO, AND STOP RIDICULING GOD, EVERYONE WHO IS BLASPHEMING FATHER AND MOTHER IS DOING SOMETHING SATAN WOULD DO, WE DO NOT RIDICULE YOUR CHURCH, I GUES BECAUSE ITS NOT BIG, THE BIBLE SAYS THAT NATIONS WILL STREAM TO IT, IS YOUR CHURCH ALLL OVER THE NATIONS, AND EVEN IF IT WAS, I WOULD NOT DISRESPECT ANYONES BELIEFS, GET WIT IT
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
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Poland, you said
“You want to understand who Christ is, study the Bible. You want to know who Christ Ahnsahnghong is then study the Bible at the World Mission Society Church of God. ”
You just proved that AHong is NOT in the bible. The only way to discover him is through the false teachings and false interpretations of the COG
SO THANKYOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!
By: worried on May 1, 2009
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CHRIST AHN SAHNG HONG IS ALL OVER THE BIBLE, EVERYWHERE!!!!! THE ENTIRE BIBLE TESTIFIES ABOUT HIM,
REV. 2:1 TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES I WILL GIVE HIM SOME OF THE HIDDEN MANNA, (PASSOVER BREAD) I WILL ALSO GIVE HIM A WHITE STONE WITH A NEW NAME WRITTEN ON IT, ONLY KNOWN TO HIM WHO RECIEVES IT……..
AS IT SAYS, ONLY KNOWN… TO HIM WHO RECIEVES IT,
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
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How does South Korea have its fair share of cult horror stories?
The leader of Chun Jo Hoe or Heaven’s Gathering Mo Haeng-Ryong was charged for defrauding his followers out of $90 million.
Another bible based cult, the Youngsaeng (everlasting life) Church hit the news in 1998 when six members of the group and the leader, Woo Joong-min, committed suicide by burning themselves inside a van. The leader had a history of fraud and swindling his followers, some of whom had disappeared
South Korea and a cult hit the news in 2002 with the announcement that the first human cloning had taken place. Raelians, who have a base in Seoul, believe that life was created by super-intelligent aliens in a mass cloning experiment. More cloned births by lesbian mothers have been planned for the future. The group has been associated with free sex.
So why keep a watch is because COG have predicted 2012 as the end time and when a cult is based on prophecy then it brings to mind the mass death at Jonestown which ultimately became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Poland now speaks on behalf of all cults wow! wonder why Hong left the SDA and why do you preach hatred against others including RC if all cults traits are so well scriptually explained.
Jeanne said “Mother is hurting” Indeed not just the members but also breaking homes/families.
The story about a 13 yr old girl & her decision to join the church what a funny testimony. You make me laugh.
I am born & bred in korea and seen the tactics used by these cults out there. These members on their 2 week visit go back so impressed just like this little 13 yr old girl views about Zion having a white carpet and there was a big white room with a table, chairs, and a white board. Hmm!
By: Ming choel on May 2, 2009
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FOR THE LAST TIME! THE CHURCH OF GOD DOES NOT PROCLAIM THE WORLD ENDING IN 2012, THAT IS A BUNCH OF LIES, OR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TALKING CUZ THEY HAVE A MOUTH, NO!!!!!!! I CLEARLY HEARD IN THE SERMON LAST WEEK OR SO, THAT NO ONE KNOWS THE HOUR, OR THE TIME OF FATHERS COMING, ALLL WE KNOW IS IT IS VERY SOON
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
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Is Mother God Omniscient? A question that was left unanswered by COG till date.
Definition: The attribute of God by which God perfectly and eternally knows all things which can be known, past, present, and future. God knows how best to attain His desired ends. God knows everything that has happened and everything that will happen.
Psalm 147:4, 5
He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
Acts 15:18
Known to God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Here we have the Church of God displaying awards/merits on their site http://www.watv.org
Our Mother Received Order of Merit (on 2004-08-09 by President Roh Moo-Hyun)
This order of merit is presented (a star medal) to Mrs. Gil-Jah Zang in recognition of her outstanding contribution to national sports development (Hmm! a sporty God) according to the provisions of the Constitution of the Republic of Korea. (I’ll scratch your back if you’ll scratch mine)
SEOUL – Former President Roh Moo-hyun was interrogated by prosecutors yesterday over a bribery scandal, the latest in a long line of South Korean ex-leaders to face accusations of financial wrongdoing while in office. Many Koreans felt like they had been through this before.
ROH apologized to the people, saying “I am ashamed of myself. I am so sorry to be bitterly disappointing people.”
Oh I wish someday this pretending to be God if has some conscience left will apologize to her members for falsely promising them eternal life.
What is the scripture they like to quote? Yes,
Revelations 22:17- The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Blaise Pascal: “Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions”
If the religion if corrupt, then the followers are misguided into sin, thinking that they are on the correct path.
So Wake Up! Deprogram yourself and you will see the mess you were into. Stop digging into scriptures and use them for mama wolfy who is in sheepy’s clothing
By: Ming choel on May 4, 2009
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Hi everyone, i have a family member trapped in this world mission church of god cult. Her behaviour pattern totally changed, she submits to the church now. It is very concerning to the level where all her life priority has shifted.
Can anyone please tell me more about this mother jerusalem. What is her name, is she married, any kids, etc.. Is she married to ahnsahnghong? Who is this mother jerusalem?
I’ve been looking for real information about this on the web. Most of the church members are either ignorant about real facts, they dont know or perhaps dont want to know.. .(they always say: that’s not important, etc etc.).
By: banseok on May 16, 2009
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NO, SHE IS NOT MARRIED, SHE DOES NOT HAVE SEX, SHE WAKES UP AT 5 IN THE MOTNING EVERYDAY, TO PRAY FOR HER CHILDREN, HER KNEES HURT, FROM PRAYING TOO MUCH, SHE IS BEAUTIFUL, AND PERFECT, SHE STAYS IN THE JERUSALEM TEMPLE, SHE CARRIES OUT HUGE EXTRAORDINARY MISSIONS, LIKE HELPING DISASTER FAMILIES, ALOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK, SHE GIVES SERMONS ON SATURDAYS AND TUESDAYS, SHES VERY BUISY, AND SHE IS GOD IN THE FLESH, REVELATION 21:1-3 THE NEW JERUSALEM, COMING DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD, AND NOW THE DWELLING OF GOD IS WITH MEN.
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
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THOSE WHO WORK FOR THE GLORY OF SATAN AND CONSIDER THEMSELVES AS PEOPLE OF PROPHECY DISPLAY SATAN’S GLORY
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (The context is Jesus Christ.)
Psalm 115:1 Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name (Jesus) give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth’s sake.
Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? I will not give my glory unto another. (Some dead Hong and deaf mother)
Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
Jeremiah 13:16 Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness. (There IS light which leads to death– This is the “light” at the end of the tunnel etc, which we hear about in death and return experiences—Hong is NOT the God of the Bible.)
Malachi 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. (Here is your damnation– Curses on you if you will not denounce your fantasies.)
Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. (Satan CAN give glory if you obey him and believe the gospel of false Gods.)
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (Any other source of glory is of Satan.)
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: (An angel NEVER told you anything you should believe– It is all found in Jesus Christ and His Word ONLY. Your are not born again, if your dead Hong or some old bride pretends to be god and you believe you will go to Hell for your assistance to this satanic program– Unless you publically repent of “another gospel” and abandon the false message AND messenger.)
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (If you give glory to these false gods and their messages, you have no fear of true God. He will send you to Hell for your arrogance, and that is just where you belong.
Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. (Join these rebels as they refuse to give God all the Glory and you too will burn in Hell and scream for water forever.)
Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (When a GOOD angel had given John the revelation, John fell on his face to worship. The angel nearly panicked as he commanded John not to worship him)
This modern teaching of a mystical and fantastic gulf between man and mother gods or angels, evolved by stupid people and devils over the centuries, is highly exaggerated. Evil serve with Satan and dumb fools exalt him. Good angels reject ALL credit for the message or results. Evil crave ALL the glory. The above story comes into perfect perspective if we will see it in this light.
Many churches in South Korea use God for their own gain, money and power and so is with COG. Christ’s name is being rubbed in the rubbish.
Truly very sad for those who are unable to see true God and lead others into deception. Watch the end results of the cult followers. (ZION-is really filled with spiritual fruits day after day)
Witchcraft In The South Korean Church (discernment video) http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myvideo/photo.php?lid=983
Repent of your Mother Goose doctrines and find your salvation and deliverance in ONLY the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word. Then Give God ALL the glory due unto Him. AMEN.
By: Ming choel on May 21, 2009
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Encounter with a Cult
I’ve had this nagging theological question for a while. It was one that made me seriously question my salvation, and the power of Christ to really save one once and for all from sin.
“Why,” I wondered, “do devils continue to assault my conscience and try to persuade me to sin if I am truly saved? Certainly the enemy, despite his lies, knows his own predicament and understands that Christ redeems men by faith. Why, unless I wasn’t truly saved, or following a wrong doctrine, would the enemy continue after my heart if I’ve truly given it to Jesus?”
The answer, quite short of profundity, hit me last night traveling to service on the subway in. Let me preface the revelation with the rest of the day’s events.
After church and lunch, I was sitting in Union Square. I had just said goodbye to my mother on the phone, and was enjoying a nice cup of coffee and iced donut in the chilly November air. I was approached then by two Latinos, finely dressed, holding a Bibles. They asked me if I knew about the “holy mother.”
Now, I’m probably a bit too confident in my ability to defend classical, ecumenical Christianity. I read quite a lot of Lewis, listen to quite a lot of Craig, Koukl, Strobel, and Tozer. I weasel my way into metaphysical conversations with non-believing friends, partly out of true spiritual concern, partly out of interest in the subject, and part hubris.
I decided to hear them out. They referenced quite a lot of scripture – scripture I recognized but wasn’t too familiar with. They seemed to be very vague, but overall insinuative of a more legalistic salvation than I understood. I did a decent job defending classical Christianity in principle, but unfortunately fell short in having a working knowledge of scripture to back up the universal Christian understanding of God and salvation.
They decided to call “a brother” to come speak with me. Of course, this person would be even more well-versed and persuasive than the two I had been talking with. In retrospect, I suppose the main reason I went along with the charade was to really understand what they were saying. I assumed the brother would be clearer and answer my questions more directly. In a sense, he did.
We went inside a Barnes & Noble, sat behind a stack of art books, and opened up the word of God. Immediately, he began to talk about the importance of keeping the traditional Sabbath and observing the Passover. He tried to show through scripture the requisite of such practices for salvation. He didn’t mention the “holy mother.”
I tried my best to respectfully listen; to demonstrate with Christ-like love and compassion my concern for their beliefs. Of course, they likely interpreted my behavior as searching for God – their god. That is beside the point. I believe I behaved in a right manner, sticking up for the Christ I knew when and where I could. But that wasn’t so easy.
I knew what they were saying was wrong. I knew their legalistic interpretation of Christ’s message wasn’t the real message the real Christ intended. But, the holes in my Bible-knowledge were made perfectly clear. When I say I listened, that is about all I could do. Those two hours affected me deeply.
After leaving, I felt as if a huge part of my spirit had been ripped out of me – like my Christian convictions had been challenged to the core. This wasn’t because that intuitive sense of faith-based salvation no longer seemed logical. It was because the same book that I supposedly based my world-view on had been somehow twisted and perverted to teach something different. They used nothing but the Bible to declare their beliefs.
I researched these guys out, and it sort of pains me that my own faith had to be assured from such investigation. They are called “World Missions Society: Church of God,” and they stem from a heretical group originally based in Korea. They believe that Christ returned in 1948, that Passover must be observed for salvation, and that they are the only truly saved church.
So about that time, I returned to that question that had been bothering me for a while.
Why would Satan inspire Christians to schism into cults that still preached “Jesus?” I always thought that the “other messiahs” Paul warned about would be of different names. What good does Satan get out of trying to persuade me to such cults?
This question is rooted in this assumption: Satan is only concerned with keeping non-believers non-believers. Now, I suppose this is true. But then I considered this: how do non-believers become believers? The obvious answer is through the persuasion of REAL believers. So, by extension, Satan can be just as effective in damning the world to his own fate by disarming those who would try to be witnesses of Christ.
This organization is not concerned with true spirituality with Christ – they are concerned with their SYSTEM of practice – the type of SYSTEM Christ came to replace so that we could have a real relationship with God.
So why does Satan continue to bother Christians who are saved, with either cults or strange teachings or even sinful choices every day? He wants us disarmed. He wants us to be discouraged, to give up our desire to share Jesus with the world. He wants to try to tell us that we are inadequate, that we believe wrong, and that we still don’t know God.
But the truth is that we are redeemed, that we do have a race to run and fight to fight. The truth is that we are God’s witnesses, that we are the light of the earth. The truth is that there is an enemy who transcends the reality we know, and is clever, well-versed in scripture, and with millenniums of practice under his belt for disarming Christians.
You know what I got out of the whole ordeal? Closer to God. I realized that I needed to study the Bible, to try to memorize the New Testament. I realized I needed to pray more. I realized I needed to understand true spirituality, not as an emotional experience which offers itself in every place of worship, but as a nuanced and profound conversation between the God and myself.
You see – if this experience had happened a few years ago, when I wasn’t nearly as close to God, I might have SERIOUSLY doubted my upbringing and the traditional interpretations of scripture. But it didn’t. It happened at precisely the time I had been asking to be closer to God, to have more faith, and to understand God more. And through it all, God whispers,
“Persevere, study deeper, ask for guidance. I (JESUS) am with you always, even till the end of the age.”
http://blogs.nyu.edu/blogs/rtd226/strangelydim/2008/11/encounter_with_a_cult.html
By: Ming choel on May 22, 2009
at 4:20 am
Jeanne said
“Look for yourself…READ IT CAREFULLY (US) (OUR IMAGE) LOOK HERE IS A COPY OF THE VERSE***26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ”
for your information the “US” and “OUR” God is referring to is the holy trinity. The holy trinity made man. God the Father is speaking to God the Son, and he uses personal pronouns US and OUR. These pronouns indicate three distinct persons The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
The word IMAGE is in singular, and shows the three distinct persons of the holy trinity are one in nature and undivided.For it does not say OUR IMAGES. Therefore the trinity is one undivided nature in three distinct persons.
Man is not one in nature with the holy trinity. But he was made in the image and likeness of the holy trinity; and he was made male and female. Therefore the dignity of each man and each woman is this image and likeness.
Sorry, NO mention of MJ here. Wake up you poor Cog followers.
Thankyou Ming Cheol, I really enjoy your posts. You know what you are talking about.
By: worried on May 23, 2009
at 5:11 pm
Breaking news for the COG
Ex-S.Korean leader Roh (the one who recognized mother God’s contribution to national sports (Bungee jumping) leaps to death over scandal.
SEOUL, South Korea – Former President Roh Moo-hyun, embroiled in a penetrating corruption investigation, leaped to his death Saturday — a shocking end for a man whose rags-to-riches rise took him from rural poverty to Seoul’s presidential Blue House. He was 62. May he rest in peace.
Allegations that Roh, president from 2003-08, accepted $6 million in bribes from a businessman (Hmm! Religious Businesswoman)
Roh hurled himself off a 100 foot (30 meter) high cliff early Saturday while hiking, trailed by a security guard, near his home in Bongha, police in the nearby southern port city of Busan said. Life had become unbearable and “too many people are suffering because of me,” Roh wrote in a note found on his computer, police said.
“What’s left for me for the rest of my life is just to be a burden to others,” his note said. “Don’t be too sad. Aren’t life and death both part of nature? Don’t feel sorry. Don’t blame anybody. It’s destiny.” He asked to be cremated, a small gravestone erected near his home.
Mourners (including the pretending God Mrs Gil-Jah-Zang in a black Hanbok) wailed as Roh’s coffin, draped in red, returned to Bongha from a Busan hospital. His two children, sobbing, followed the casket to the community center near his birthplace of Gimhae, some 280 miles (450 kilometers) from Seoul. Hundreds lined up late in the night to pay their respects.
Truly Mother Jerusalem will give eternal life in these last days.
Cog go to church every Saturday, always carry the NIV Bible in the right hand, men in suit and women in white veil, they rattle the same and same scriptures and keep singing praises to false God. Is the Bible, veil just an accessory for COG Christians?
“Hello! Would you believe in God the Mother even if she is still not omniscient and if the bible is misinterpreted in testifying her? No! No! No!
Award given to WMSCOG. http://www.watv.org
Jung-Rak Kim, Head of Admin. Dept. of the Head Office, Received Medal of Merit
This Medal of Merit is presented to Mr. Jung-Rak Kim in recognition of his outstanding contribution to national sports development according to the provisions of the Constitution of Republic of Korea.
2004-08-09
President Roh Moo-Hyun
Our Mother Received Order of Merit
This Order of Merit is presented to Mrs. Gil-Jah Zang in recognition of her outstanding contribution to national sports development according to the provisions of the Constitution of the Republic of Korea.
2004-08-09
President Roh Moo-Hyun
As Paul states, like the games, we run a race, but the race we run is not for gold, silver or bronze medals (1 Corinthians 9:24-27). We run a race for the prize of the high calling in Jesus Christ (Philippians 3:10-16). We continue in the path of our Lord and Savior and await his glorious coming and the crown of righteousness unto eternal life (2 Timothy 4:6-8). Now, that is a prize worth running for! And, in Christ Jesus it is already ours (1 John 5:13). Amen!
By: Ming choel on May 24, 2009
at 5:53 am
This is not a personal forum for your CoG dogma. If you want to keep posting your erroneous doctrines and ignorant teachings go do it on your own website. I’m going to close comments if you keep hijacking this blog.
By: Jamie on May 27, 2009
at 1:36 pm
Good on you Jamie,
I was getting fed up with reading the false doctrines and shallowness that the cog members display. I just can’t believe the way the Cog TWIST the scriptures. I am amazed at the fact that these people who are suppposed to be mature can honestly believe that by keeping the passover, NOTHING bad will ever happen to them. How incomprehensible is that?
By: doxy on May 27, 2009
at 4:57 pm
what will the Cog do with the awards they received from the corrupt president? Why would she deal with someone corrupt if she is GOD?? She should know, just like Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him.
By: worried on May 27, 2009
at 5:15 pm
Hello Jamie. I’m a member of Church of God from Calamba, Philippines Zion and you’ve probably have seen my comments above. On behalf of my brothers and sisters, I apologize if they are acting childish. I have tried to make them realize before that posting our church teachings to those who doesn’t want to accept it won’t do any good. As far as I know my brothers and sisters are just trying to preach but forcing someone to listen who doesn’t want to hear our church teachings is totally wrong. Again, I’m sorry Jamie if my brothers and sisters are bothering you. I hope I could do something.
By: Jepoy on May 27, 2009
at 5:17 pm
I came across the blog when I was doing some reading on the COG.
My personal experience with the Church is God is awful – it has torn my family apart and putting two little girls in harms way. It saddens me when a church takes priority over their well being… church late at night tuesdays, all day saturdays… punishing them if they dont have scriptures memorized…
Not saying all COGs member do this… dont want to accuse all, but that is my experience. So yes, I lean on the side of a cult. May be not the kool aid drinking kind but it blinds people… from common decency, from common humanity… in my life, they have been selfish and unfortunately (and legally) winning anyway.
How do I answer when I get asked by Christmas is evil… or halloween… or Easter… They ask me why they have to go to Church all the time and I can only look at them and say sorry… sorry for all that you endure and hope that things get better.
I am further sadden to hear that COG has been established in the Philippines…
By: saddened on May 28, 2009
at 1:28 pm
saddened said “I am further sadden to hear that COG has been established in the Philippines…”
Matthew 28:19-20
19Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
That’s why the CHURCH OF GOD will be established all over the world, starting from the east ends of Earth as prophecied in the Bible.
Micah 4:1-2
1 In the LAST DAYS
the MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD’s temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and PEOPLES WILL STREAM TO IT.
2 MANY NATIONS will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from ZION,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
So the mountain of God will be established in the LAST DAYS and people from different nations(including Philippines) will stream to it.
Isaiah 33:20
20Behold Zion, the city of our APPOINTED FEASTS! Your eyes will see Jerusalem, an untroubled habitation, an immovable tent, whose stakes will never be plucked up, nor will any of its cords be broken.
Ok so this is not a physical mountain. It talks about the place where the appointed feasts of God will be celebrated and many people from different nations will stream to it.
Isaiah 25:6-9
6 On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare
a feast of rich food for ALL PEOPLES,
a banquet of aged wine—
the best of meats and the finest of wines.
7 On this mountain he will destroy
the shroud that enfolds all peoples,
the sheet that covers all nations;
8 he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove the disgrace of his people
from all the earth.
The LORD has spoken.
9 In that day they will say,
“Surely this is our God;
we trusted in him, and he saved us.
This is the LORD, we trusted in him;
let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”
Aha. So Mount Zion, the mountain of God has the appointed feasts of God including the banquet of aged wine. The best of meats and finest of wines. Also, those appointed feasts of God can swallow up death forever. What is the food that God prepared that would swallow up death forever?
John 6:53-56
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Luke 22:7-20
7Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the PASSOVER.”
9″Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.
10He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there.”
13They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19And he took BREAD, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “THIS IS MY BODY given for you; DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.”
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “THIS CUP IS THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD, WHICH IS POURED OUT FOR YOU.
Ephesians 1:7
7In him WE HAVE REDEMPTION through HIS BLOOD, the FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
Ephesians 1:13-14
13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a SEAL, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Through the Passover, the body and blood of Christ which is the Seal of God, we can have eternal life. It is the Feasts of God that swallow up death forever. So it was prophecied that this Feasts of God will be brought in these last days. Where?
Revelation 7:2-3
2Then I saw another ANGEL coming up FROM the EAST, having the SEAL of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3″Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a SEAL on the foreheads of the SERVANTS of our GOD.”
The World Mission Society Church of God which is God’s spiritual Mount Zion was established from the East ends of earth as prophecied in the Bible.
Hebrews 9:28
28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation(Passover, Christ body and blood, the aged wine) to those who are waiting for him.
Christ Ahnsahnghong established God’s Zion because He is the Second Coming Christ prophecied in the Bible. The only church that celebrates all the appointed feasts of God.
By: Elijah on May 28, 2009
at 3:52 pm
Ok, you want your church to be established in many places… if not all, and I get that. It personally saddens me just because I dont agree with what you practice.
BUt you took one statement of mine, and expanded on that. It wasnt the bulk of what I talked about. All I said that my personal experience with COG was bad, that through what I have seen the people in my life do it consists with a cult. All their time, all their money, its ALL they talk about… they get separated from their family… just seems to consist with attributes that define cults.
Further, I have notice that there seems to be some high preaching going on to military families. Just an interesting choice, its a hard life… separated from family… just wonder if thats a coincidence.
By: saddened on May 28, 2009
at 8:58 pm
Jamie hats off to you! Keep up with the edit work!
This is a Bible based cult totally misusing the word of God. They have little or no time to think for themselves because of physical and emotional exhaustion. This is also a vital part of the COG mind control process.
Since there was no response to Mother bowing before a human to receive medal so it is understood that they accept the fact she is not omniscient. Wouldn’t she have been aware of president plans to end life?.
If the COG has churches all over the world, so have the rest of the cults like SDA, Jehovah and Moonies. But seeing their downfall and they being rated as cults the COG adopted the secret preaching technique.
Once the brainwashed members return from their 2nd trip get certified as a deacon they devote all their time in setting up a church and preying on the weak minds. The same procedure went on until recent years the “church has spread ” trumpeting began. Satan is cunning. Everything is well planned and publicized at the right time.
Oh yeah! They feel persecuted by simple questioning. I am sure haven’t yet been to North Korea Interesting! You should ask momma god to give tips on how to enter North Korea as a preacher.
By: Ming choel on May 31, 2009
at 5:02 am
Hi Saddened,
I know how u feel. I’m in the Philippines as well and I too, unfortunately have family members who were sucked in. But I’m glad not every1 in my family was fooled.
My experience was, 2 korean girls knocked on our door and asked if we wanted to study the bible with them. At first we were like, lets entertain them since they are doing a good thing evangelizing. They were actually on time because my tita and some of her family was at our house. They just lived 1 block away so they used to visit very often. We all sat down listening to these girls, but something wasn’t right. A lot of us were very knowledgeable of the Word but my Tita was a hungry Christian with a very shallow knowledge of the bible.
After they left (after lots of debates and communication problems), they said they would come back to teach us more of what we should know. We already had bad vibes because their study went for 3 hours about the same things, i.e. clouds as flesh, sabbath day, etc.
But they did gain something out of their visit in our place… They saw how interested my Tita was. So, what do u know… They started visiting her too, and since shes usually alone at home, she was very vulnerable.
I don’t think I need to continue on in detail from there. Basically after that, she became very distant because we wouldn’t accept the truth and know we barely see her.
@Ming Choel
It’s great to see a Korean in here actually battling against this Korean falsehood. It’s sick what they think they are capable of doing. I’m just praying that in 2012, nothing happens to my Tita (aunt).
By: ben on June 1, 2009
at 2:30 pm
you think “Ming Choel” is korean? LOL! Ming is a chinese name and there is no such korean name spelled as “choel”. Another failed attempt at masquerading. What else will you guys come up with? really?
By: Timothy on June 2, 2009
at 1:18 pm
My mum’s a chinese and dad a korean. “Min” derived from meaning cleverness as for korean name spelt “Choel” that’s your ignorance of having so little knowledge of Korea.
Good Try. You should work on finding the Ahn & Chang gil’s cha dynasty. Why is it a secret???
By the way my grandma & father who were there around Hong’s death never ever heard of him ascending after his death.
By: Ming choel on June 2, 2009
at 4:33 pm
@Timothy
U just got PWNED! heheh… sorry.. had to say it ^^
By: ben on June 21, 2009
at 6:02 pm
Check this site and one can imagine the
harassment passersby have out there with this crazy cult…A few examples given below
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=82111&postdays=0&postorder=desc&start=9
Person 1: OMG, I got harassed by them too.
I was just walking down the street when these 2 women just turned around and asked me something. I played the dumb foreigner card and said “Sorry, I don’t speak Korean.”
Next thing I know, they bust out pamphlets and flyers in English that talk all about the “Holy Mother.” I kept trying to walk away but both of them would run in front of me and cut me off and keep telling me to read their brochure.
I figured I’ll just read the pamphlet to make them happy and just go about my way. I read it, nod my head, hand it back to them and they start saying “Our church is right up the street, why don’t you come with us for just a few minutes and drink some tea”. I had a brief vision of a room full of religious feminist virgins enacting exotic sensual rituals.
I shook my head and said no thank you and power walked as fast as I could in one direction. Unfortunately, it was in the wrong direction from where I wanted to go. I didn’t want to run into those crazy cultists again so I had to take the long way around.
Person2:
I met some. I was interested in what they believed so asked about the heavenly mother. Didn’t take a leaflet. I keep forgetting how to say atheist in Korean. So I just shook my head and said there’s no god. They looked confused and pointed at the sky; I said ‘Those are clouds’. They were polite and left me alone when my friend came. I wasn’t cruel to them, but I did want to at least try to let them know what my beliefs are and that I’m happy with them. I have heard of more pushy ones but in my experience, nice people but way delusional, wouldn’t want to be friends with one
Person 3:
I walk past a group of them almost daily. In the beginning I just politely shook my head and kept walking. After several days of this activity, one of the ladies started getting in the habit of blocking my way whilst shoving some papers in my face. I know she recognizes me as I’ve turned down her offers of conversation numerous times. Well, she pushed me too far and I told her “F*** you and your God”. I said it nice and slowly and with a big smile on my face. Now they leave me a wide berth when I walk past.
Person 4:
Thanks Tomato. Good info. I guess we share similar interests. The newspaper article is a bad joke. Couldn’t they even get their typeset straight when they pasted the Korea Times title on the page? BTW my search of KT revealed no story like the one on their site in its archives. The group seems to be preoccupied with painting itself as a “victim” of grand conspiracies by other churches in Korea.
Oh my god, these guys have been hanging around my college for the last few months, and I live in Ireland!!! They catch you off guard and then go on and on about their religion. I think all of my friends have been got by now. They demand your mobile phone number, then they leave and the next day you get like 50 messages from them. It’s really creepy. Plus everyone was studying for finals and it was such an annoyance
Praise our wonderful Father in heaven, through our Lord Jesus Christ, seated at His Mighty Right Hand; for His wonderful care of us from this COG cult!
By: Ming choel on June 2, 2009
at 4:37 pm
Robert, you ever thought just TALKING like a normal human being rather than quote bible verse after bible verse might help…
You had a member that sad you swarm with bible verses but never answer the question. Funny, it happened to me. I asked a question, it never got answered and verses came flooding out.
Guess what… I can quote the bible too…. and whose to say that the lying lips are that of my own? Nothing you quote is proof of your church at all… is proof you have a bible. Anyone staying at a hotel can do the same.
I understand the frustration now… its fine, those beautiful girls get told that I am going to hell and that they are going to be angels with wings in heaven soon. Nice spin on “honey you are going to die.” So yes, I am saddened.
By: saddened on June 4, 2009
at 8:50 pm
Jamie, thanks for keeping this website going, even though there must be a thousand posts here . (I haven’t read them all yet….) I browse here every once in a while hoping that one of the WMSCOG members will have done some logical explaining, but that seems to be hard to find.
I’m sorry if I’m repeating something that was addressed earlier, but I had to speak up about this…
Elijah, I noticed you said that the World Mission Society is the only church that keeps all the feasts of God, and that therefore it is the only true church.
I think you have been misinformed. If you do some research, you will find other Christian churches that keep the Saturday Sabbath and all the feasts of God, including Passover. So that argument is no proof at all.
I’ve been looking into this and the other prophecies that the WMSCOG uses to prove that Ahnsahnghong is God. You can find those posts, along with a list of some of those other churches, over at the Cult Watch forum.
No one from your church has yet been able to address any of the problems with those prophecies. Maybe you can?
By: genny on June 10, 2009
at 1:11 pm
Christ Ahnsahgnhong tells us that the Bible is full of prophecy.
Well how did he know the bible was full of prophecy? Of course! The seventh day Adventist cult where he got baptized taught him. It is the remnant church of Bible prophecy. Numerous Seventh-day Adventists have claimed the gift of prophecy throughout the history of the church and still spend much time teaching prophecy, looking for the soon return of Christ. They often hold prophecy conferences that hide the fact that the conference is run by them.
However, prophecy will be fulfilled no matter what.
Robert the prophecy is fulfilled he is dead and now waiting for his bride mother Jerusalem to join him in the lake of fire.
Deuteronomy 18:20 but the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
All nations will hear the new name of God in the age of the Holy Spirit (Christ Ahnsahnghong) and they will also hear and come to Heavenly Mother the New Jerusalem.
Only the gullible people who are sucked in have helped build small cog churches in secret and know about these 2 frauds. In South Korea many know it is a cult. Besides it’s a tough competition as people there have a varied choice in joining a religious cult. These cog members mostly young girls are preying on foreigners who are unaware of their secretive deception.
The Kings of the nations will come and bow down in front of Heavenly Mother.
But mother herself had bowed many times to receive a medal as well as before a man who committed suicide. Though the image was displayed in the Korean times in 2004 with her receiving the medal and a write up in business magazine about the church yet it is taking so long for the whole world to see this amazing woman. Poor thing! She did her best to even make videos by planting trees, visiting the firemen and police dept, distributing caps and scarves to military personnel and most importantly cleaning toilets (being given to understand that she mostly hangs around the washroom when the members visit. They feel ashamed and cry seeing her doing this odd job)
And soon the whole world will see Heavenly Mother only 50 countries are left from being preach about this wonderful news. Because prophecy most be fulfilled.
Almost done! So quite a few countries left with the 50th one will be N. Korea, I guess. It can be easily covered up by 2012. LOL
Robert! Please do not make a fool of yourself. You are over-worked up. Take a break. It will be good for you to read the whole bible.
By: Ming choel on June 11, 2009
at 4:05 am
to all protestants and CoG members:
for the record, catholics do not worship idols. we dont worship crosses or statues or the virgin mary or saints. that is seriously bullshit. before assuming what we do, research our faith please.
to CoG members:
if ahnsahnghong prophesied the world to end in the 60s and 80s, wouldnt that already be a false prophet seeing that the world DIDNT end?
By: catholicgrl16 on July 21, 2009
at 8:20 am
#1, Catholics do worship idols…UNKNOWINGLY. The Bible clearly states that one should not bow down to any graven images, which all Catholics do from the second they walk into church when they bow down in front of the cross. Additionally, you pray while knealing down in front of the cross. I understand the reasoning of that you are not worshipping them, however, you unknowingly are. Even though you think you are not, you are in God’s eyes.
#2, Christ Ahnsahnghong preached that the world was going to end in 1988…and it didn’t. It’s funny that you call it a false prophet when in fact, he was fulfilling a prophecy through doing so! It is explained clearly through the a study and is the fulfillment of Jonah’s prophecy. The world was supposed to end in 1988…but because of repentance, our time was extended so we are able to bear more fruit and save more souls. Ahsahnghong is Jesus, Jesus is God, Ahnsahnghong is God…of course He knew the world would not truly end in 1988, but it was supposed to and He had to preach this in order to fulfill the prophecy. If you were to study about these matters instead of coming to your own conclusions you will clearly understand that He had to preach that the world was going to end at that time and that He fulfilled all of the prophecies about Jesus’ second coming including where, when, how, for how long, what He would preach, what He would establish, what secrets He would reveal, when He would start His preaching, what church He would be baptized in, the parents He would be born to, etc. etc. etc.
By: Carly on July 24, 2009
at 4:18 am
#1, Catholics do worship idols…UNKNOWINGLY. The Bible clearly states that one should not bow down to any graven images, which all Catholics do from the second they walk into church when they bow down in front of the cross. Additionally, you pray while knealing down in front of the cross. I understand the reasoning of that you are not worshipping them, however, you unknowingly are. Even though you think you are not, you are in God’s eyes.
#2, Christ Ahnsahnghong preached that the world was going to end in 1988…and it didn’t. It’s funny that you call it a false prophet when in fact, he was fulfilling a prophecy through doing so! It is explained clearly through the a study and is the fulfillment of Jonah’s prophecy. The world was supposed to end in 1988…but because of repentance, our time was extended so we are able to bear more fruit and save more souls. Ahsahnghong is Jesus, Jesus is God, Ahnsahnghong is God…of course He knew the world would not truly end in 1988, but it was supposed to and He had to preach this in order to fulfill the prophecy. If you were to study about these matters instead of coming to your own conclusions you will clearly understand that He had to preach that the world was going to end at that time and that He fulfilled all of the prophecies about Jesus’ second coming including where, when, how, for how long, what He would preach, what He would establish, what secrets He would reveal, when He would start His preaching, what church He would be baptized in, the parents He would be born to, etc. etc. etc..
By: Carly on July 24, 2009
at 4:22 am
you say that he fulfilled the prophecy of Jonah but what about the predictions from the mormons and the JWs? what if they fulfilled the prophecy?
and as far as I know, your church worships Korean idols. The woman you say is God will soon die like any other human being and if the 2012 prediction of the end of the world doesn’t happen would it be another fulfillment of the prophecy of Jonah? But I just hope that that won’t lead to a self-fulfilled prophecy of another cult mass suicide. Or I dunno, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
By: Jenny B on July 24, 2009
at 8:29 am
LOL we worship korean idols? this isn’t american idol, sweetheart…we’re referring to the Bible, here, not a cultural definition. an idol is something that is carved, made out of wood, stone, or the like, and is considered sacred. they are not alive..they cannot speak, walk, nor can they do any good. we do not worship any such things. before you claim something you need to understand what exactly an idol is in the first place.
as for New Jerusalem Mother, we worship Her because She is God. If Jesus were to arrive at your door, would you not worship Him? She is God, having the exact equal authority as Jesus, and for this reason we treat Her the same.
We don’t believe She is God because She is nice, or because someone tells us to…we believe She is God because She is testified in the Bible clearly, as was Christ Ahnsahnghong. The Bible testifies about Christ, and only Christ can fulfill the prophecies. The fact that God Ahnsahnghong fulfillled the prophecy of the fig tree by beginning to preach in 1948 at the rebirth of Israel, at the age of 30, preaching for 37 years, coming from the east, with a new name, and preaching the Passover and the teachings of the Early Church (the exact same teachings that He established at His first coming but which were abolished as prophecized)proves that He MUST be God. Only Christ can fulfill the prophecies. So, even if it is contrary to what YOU’RE idea of what God should be or what Jesus’ second coming should be like…He is still God. It’s not like some random person can just happen to fulfill ALL the prophecies of second coming Jesus. He HAS to be God. If you have a humble and open heart and are willing to study and you pray to receive the truth and have your spiritual eyes and ears opened, you too will clearly understand these things. Whether you believe them or not…well, you have your own predestined fate in Christ that only God knows.
As for 2012, we do not know when exactly the end will be, for the Bible says no one knows the day nor the hour of the last day and final coming of the Son of Man. However, it is proven to be impossible through the Bible for the world to continue past 2012. Everyone is expecting it to be in 2012…for that reason, I would not be surprised if He comes this year or the next, much sooner than everyone expects. Jesus told a parable about this matter through the servant who thought his master was staying away for a long time. So, instead of continuously blasphemizing the Church, if I were you I would pray to have a humble and open heart to receive the truth and at least to earnestly study. And keep in mind that what happen in ancient times is to happen again..the Jews did not receive Jesus Christ because He came contrary to their expectations. Jesus came preaching in the middle of nowhere, calling fishermen as diciples, not religious leaders, who did not except Him. Only some received Jesus. However, those that did are resting in Heavenly Paradise, while those who did not are destroyed. Again, Christ Ahnsahnghong came preaching in the middle of nowhere, not in a church, for He knows the religious leaders, who diligently study the Word, will still fail to receive Him. Again, only a few will receive Christ into their hearts. The spiritual Jews are now the Christians of today, who claim to believe in Christ but cannot accept Him at His second coming because He came contrary to their expectation..as a Korean man preaching the Passover and early church in the small country of Korea in the east with the name Ahnsahnghong. So, we should be careful not to become the Jews who were destroyed at that time, since it is going to happen again. Rather, we should make the time to study and diligently study the Scriptures in order to go to Christ for life, rather than automatically rejecting. If you believe the Bible is true, then you will believe in 2nd coming Jesus, Christ Ahnsahnghong, and the New Jerusalem Mother whom He revealed to us.
By: Carly on August 1, 2009
at 4:30 am
i got approached by one of these looneys today on the way home from sch im gonna meet the guy on monday and turn his world upside down.
By: BBJ on July 24, 2009
at 4:25 pm
You korean chicks maybe hot but definitely deluded why must Ahnsahnghong be the Christ can someone prove anything that he’s the 2nd coming Christ? damn why not say im Christ?
By: BBJ on July 24, 2009
at 4:54 pm
Bla bla bla.. @ Carly
Heard it all before. Don’t counter catholic girl with ur own contradictions… Ur dying woman god is dying… What does that tell u? She doesn’t even know ur name, she’s deaf, and she can’t speak english. Some god that is.
By: Banjo on August 1, 2009
at 11:16 pm
So..how many languages did Jesus speak? One. Mother knows everything about us and foretells many things that will happen in our lives, and then they happen. We see many miracles in the church and many miraculous things that Mother does. However, we believe in Her first because of the prophecies in the Bible. She is only revealed to us through the Words of God. If She went around performing miracles and speaking every language in the world, everyone would believe She is God…not because She is testified about in the Bible and came according to the prophecies, but because of Her miraculous signs. This would be dangerous, because Satan performs many miraculous signs as well. For this reason, we do not believe in Her because of the miracles that are not revealed to the world, but because of the Word of God. It’s so sad to see all of this and all of your words, because they will surely bite you on judgement day. If you’ve “heard it all before” and still don’t believe it, well…”He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is because you do not belong to God.”
By: Carly on August 4, 2009
at 8:28 am
I just wordering about more this church of god. do you church do brithdays or any holdays? do Bothers and Sisters married each other or does the church deside who they married in the church?
By: redrose on August 2, 2009
at 3:57 am
It is most unfortunate that there is cult activity in the Church of God. It is foretold in the Bible that Satan will infiltrate the true church and kill many souls, as well as cause the church to appear to be something that it is not. Father and Mother will take care of this situation in due time.
On another note, the Spirit and the Bride refers to God the Father and God the Mother, not God the Father and Mary. Mary is a created being and therefore is our sister. God the mother is the Creator, and created our sister Mary in Her image.
Regarding the Passover, read what Jesus said in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Jesus said, “Unless you eat the flesh and the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you”. Jesus said “unless”, which means there is no other way. We must take the Passover in order to inherit eternal life, according to Jesus.
By: Leon on August 3, 2009
at 4:07 pm
LOL carly. so idols are carved stuff and blah blah blah. ok one of your church members told me that other religions that worship people such as buddha or whoever else is worshiping an IDOL. thinking in your mind that God wont send you to hell EVER is idolizing him for your own satisfaction. you cant honestly say that worshiping an idol means ONLY worshiping some sort of crafted piece of wood, stone or.. you know… the like.
and i thought the bible said that second coming christ would be seen by all, believers AND nonbelievers. the bible also says when someone says look there goes christ, i shouldnt believe them.
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i guess ill just go with that.
By: Jenny B on August 4, 2009
at 12:50 pm
Yeah and do you not see carved images of Budda all over the place of Buddhists??
Yeah, you’re right…you shouldn’t believe Ahnsahnghong is Christ because we say so…you should believe because the Bible testifies about Him. But, it is whether or not you have a humble and open enough mind to take the time to study about it, or if you’d rather waste that precious time that you could be learning about the Truth blasphemizing His name on the internet. Let me ask you this…how will you recognize Christ? Do you think that if a man showed up at your Church claiming to be Christ, who looks like Jesus, dressed in a white robe and sandals, performing miracles, then you’d believe that He is Jesus? Like Jesus said, the Bible does not give us life…the Bible testifies about Christ, whom we are to go to for life. The Bible clearly testifies about Second Coming Jesus. There are more prophecies about His Second Coming than His First. If I were a non-believer, I would probably believe in Second Coming Christ before I would believe in First Coming Christ! Do not make the same mistake the Pharisees did 2,000 years ago by failing to receive Him because He did not come the way or where you expected Him to but rather study the Scriptures with us in Zion so you can see through the Scriptures who the Second Coming Christ is so you may receive His salvation.
By: Carly on August 6, 2009
at 8:59 am
Carly is another victim of the Cool aid that they are serving.. poor thing… Go to the Cult Watch forum and see if we haven’t already challenged and disproved ur so called beliefs.
By: ben on August 4, 2009
at 4:48 pm
Mother knows everything about us and foretells many things that will happen in our lives, and then they happen.
So carly mother should have known that the president Roh would be committing suicide and yet she bowed down to receive the medal from him in 2004 and ofcourse has received awards from other corrupt leaders as well
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUt SUICIDE?
“Do not be a fool–why die before your time?” (Ecclesiastes 7:17b)
Those who would consider suicide may have a severed relationship with Christ and therefore they would enter the real Hell–which is worse than the hellish feelings they are experiencing at the moment.
Leon nice fable story for the COG kiddies. “Mother creating mary” who according to the bible was chosen by God to be the mother of Jesus and if you say mary is our sister than Jesus should be your nephew who as per the COG came the second time to marry the creator chung gil cha. LOL
Babies as long as you keep sucking the pacifiers in the COG nursery you will babble such bullshit. Get out of there at once and behave matured.
Well redrose like rest of the cult groups these cog members do celebrate birthdays, holidays and even marry. My friend is a deacon and recently married a sister in korea but was unable to get her a visa. So poor chap every 2 years makes a visit to Korea around his wife’s birthday.
By: Ming choel on August 4, 2009
at 7:07 pm
Lol, and if Mother had turned away and avoided him because She knew what was to happen, you would be on here saying, “See, she doesn’t even give people a chance! She has no mercy or compassion! Some god that is!” Don’t even say you wouldn’t.
I don’t exactly understand what point you’re trying to make here…it is Korean custom first of all to bow, and secondly, do you think that Mother does not interact with anyone whose soul is going to die? You act like she was saying “It’s ok to commit suicide” by that action. Mother serves all, even though She knows who will be and who will not be saved…She is an example for us and knows what we need. Mother interacts with people even though they will not be saved; she’s preached for decades to dying souls giving them a chance to be saved. You are acting like she’s supposed to avoid people who aren’t going to be saved. You’re completely misunderstanding everything and getting stuck on this point which has no influence whatsoever on your salvation. Regardless of how she acted, you would persecute Her. I don’t care if Mother hugged and kissed the guy..She is God, who will judge me, how dare I judge anything She does. Rather, I try to learn from everything She does so I can walk in Her paths.
By: Carly on August 6, 2009
at 9:10 am
you didn’t answer what I was asking I heard chuch of god don’t do most hoildays like chrimass and thinksgiving and easter so I like what other hoildays your church don’t cleabert.?when you sigal of this church does bothers and sisters chose who what be with or the church deside or forebeten to like any body in this church?
By: redrose on August 5, 2009
at 4:46 am
We celebrate the 7 feasts of God, such as the Passover and the Sabbath (Saturday), which are the feasts commanded by God. These are the feasts of God that are celebrated in Zion, “the city of our festivals” or “the city of our religious feasts” which God told us to flee to in the last days in order to escape disasters and receive salvation.
i.e.
Jeremiah 4:6
“Raise the signal to go to Zion! Flee for safety without delay! For I am bringing disaster from the north, even terrible destruction.”
Jeremiah 6:22
“This is what the LORD says: “Look, an army is coming from the land of the north; a great nation is being stirred up from the ends of the earth. They are armed with bow and spear; they are cruel and show no mercy. They sound like the roaring sea as they ride on their horses; they come like men in battle formation to attack you, O Daughter of Zion.”
(I guess it’s just “another coincidence” in non-believers’ eyes that the disaster is coming from the north and from the ends of the earth, in consideration with the recent activity with North Korea. Father Ahnsahnghong foretold decades ago that North Korea would play a role in the third world war.)
Psalm 14:7
Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!
(this is written twice in Psalm, also in 53)
(salvation that would come out of Zion = the Passover, which Christ re-established when he rebuilt Zion at His Second Coming)
Psalm 50:2
From Zion, perfect in beauty, God shines forth.
Psalm 102:16
For the LORD will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory.
(this prophecy has been fulfilled when Christ rebuilt it at His Second Coming)
Psalm 102:21
So the NAME of the LORD will be declared in Zion and his praise in Jerusalem.
(Ahnsahnghong)
Psalm 129:5
May all who hate Zion be turned back in shame.
(thought I’d add that in for all the persecutors! )
Isaiah 46:12-13
“Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted, you who are far from righteousness. I am bringing my righteousness near, it is not far away; and my salvation will not be delayed. I will grant salvation to Zion, my splendor to Israel.”
(He has granted salvation to Zion through the Passover. Only those who remain in Zion can inherit salvation. Surprising because it is so small? It is written in Isaiah that only the remnant will be saved. A remnant is not a lot…)
Isaiah 62:1
For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet, till her righteousness shines out like the dawn, her salvation like a blazing torch. (This is a prophecy about Mother being fulfilled as you read.)
Jeremiah 50:5
They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten. (The everlasting covenant is the Passover which Jesus established at His First Coming but which was trampled on and abolished during the dark ages as prophecized in the book of Daniel.)
We do not celebrate Christmas because it is considered a religious holiday and it was not commanded by God. It originated as a pagan holiday as the birthday of the unconquered sun, as did the majority of Catholic appointed times and laws. We do not celebrate Easter for the same reason of its’ pagan roots but rather we celebrate the resurrection day, which is one of the feasts of God that has been fulfilled through the cross. No we don’t have to marry inside the church and no one decides who we marry. We follow the Bible; the Bible says we can marry nonbelievers. However, many times people come to the truth and then bring their spouse or they meet their spouse and then bring them to the truth.
Please don’t listen to those persecuting and false accusations, Satan has sent them to do his dirty work and persecute the Church of God, as foretold in the Bible. Rather, I pray you have an open mind and heart and study with us sometime! :)
By: Carly on August 6, 2009
at 8:41 am
Carly, you said, “the Bible says we can marry nonbelievers,” but according to 2 Cor. 6:14, Christians should NOT marry unbelievers.
But you do seem to know a lot about the World Mission Society. I’m curious to know if you have any good answers to some of the questions and concerns I’ve posted on the Cult Watch forum: http://www.ahnsahnghong.biz/forum
I don’t read this blog much because there are so many entries it’s hard to find any specific information. But the forum is well organized into topics.
I like your manner of speaking–not full of insults like I’ve experienced from some other WMSCOG members–and I’d be happy to hear more from you on the Cult Watch forum.
By: genny on August 30, 2009
at 4:34 am
To those who speak out against Church of God, God’s Zion that was established in these last days in accordance with the prophecies of the Bible, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Please check out this website and see how “ERRATIC CHEESE” and his followers try to make lies about Church of God. Unbelievable!
http://proveahnsahnghong.com/
Acts 5:38-39 – 38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
By: brofromzion on August 6, 2009
at 10:17 am
Who it this ajumma (old lady)? what is her name? how old is she? Does she have families? husband? kids?
No one answers this sort of questions, even deacon or pastors always avoid to answer these simple questions.
Oh wait.. the answer will be: that’s not important. The important this is keep sabbath, passover, believe in mother and bring many seeds.
By: brofromnoiz on August 10, 2009
at 8:44 am
No one answers your question because it’s a dumb question and yeah, it has nothing to do with your salvation and its unimportant. Will knowing Her name and age help you get to heaven? No. But following the words of Jesus and believing in the Bible and keeping God’s commands will. You can answer the question yourself out of common sense. She is God. She came to earth to save Her lost children from heaven. Do you think She came to the earth for pleasure and fun and to have a family? Think about your question and how much sense it makes–You’re asking if God, our Mother, came to this earth, to have children with…Her children. I think you can answer that question yourself. If these are the types of questions that you are focusing on, then you need to re-evaluate your faith and whether or not you truly believe in God and in the words of the Bible. If you truly believe in the words of the Bible with all your heart and with all your soul, then you will believe in Mother because She is clearly testified about throughout the entire Bible. I would suggest to stop looking at Her with a physical eye but pray that you may see Her with a spiritual eye.
By: Carly on August 31, 2009
at 10:01 am
Carly, you said “Do you think She came to the earth for pleasure and fun and to have a family?. No, I believe she is milking you all. She is a very clever businesswoman. You all have fallen for the oldest trick in the book. Twisted scriptures to suit their doctrines, and pure brainwashing/mind control. Do yourself a favour and learn about mind control. You will be amazed.
Then you said “Think about your question and how much sense it makes–You’re asking if God, our Mother, came to this earth, to have children with…Her children”.
Then according to your logic, I have had children with my brother, (if MJ and AHS are our parents) …..Sounds like incest to me.
By: doxy on August 31, 2009
at 10:27 am
Dear Robert,
You’re an IDIOT.
Thanks and lets,
StampedeBull
By: StampedeBull on August 18, 2009
at 3:13 pm
mother jerusalem chung gil cha world mission church of god has broken apart many families.
My wife is in this cult, nothing else is matter for her. She will blindly give up her time, effort, life, career, money, everything for the ‘glory’ of mother jerusalem church of god.
This so called ‘church’ is not healthy. Stay away!.
By: misrhap on August 29, 2009
at 8:23 am
Just to add to my above post.
I find it interesting and confusing at the same time how when you talk to a COG member from a different part of the world, they have a totally different concept of MJ. Carly mentioned in her post “Think about your question and how much sense it makes–You’re asking if God, our Mother, came to this earth, to have children with…Her children. So, Carly you are saying that MJ has had NO children, however The COG in OUR area has taught its’ members that she has had children on this earth. Why so different? Shouldn’t all your COG churches teach the same thing to its’ members?
By: doxy on August 31, 2009
at 5:28 pm
Are you really serious? Ok, let me break it down for you step by step, special. She came down to the earth to seek and save Her lost children. Not Her physical children by our standards, meaning that no, I am not Korean, She is not my physical Mother, but She is my Spiritual Mother and She will be for eternity. Now, She did not come to this earth to have children because She would be having children with Her children that She has come to save. So no, She does not have physical children. About your ignorant statement about your husband and yourself—you stating this is saying that you don’t even believe in Jesus’ words—Jesus is the One who told us that in heaven we would be spiritual family and would not give and take in marriage. We would be spiritual brothers and sisters, whether you believe in Mother or not…it has nothing to do with Her. We don’t remember our life in the spiritual world, and God created the family systems on earth to teach us about our spiritual family which we had forgotten. But Mother, who is God, knows all in the spiritual and physical world, which is why it is different for Her life here on earth and ours.
Mother being a business women? And doing what with the money? She’s not rich..doesn’t have a big house or many glorious, expensive things…the offerings are used to establish more churches, spread God’s love, and better serve brothers and sisters in Zion. When I visited Mother, more money was surely spent on me individually in order to take care of me than my flight itself costed. Oh yeah…She’s so greedy and tricky. Riiight.
By: Carly on September 1, 2009
at 9:16 am
According to you she does not have physical children, then why do followers here in our area believe she has. I’m talking physical children she gave birth to NOT spiritual. Members here have confirmed she does.
How do you know she is not rich??? have you been to her home? You don’t know how she really lives. You haven’t seen her bank account. It is all a show for the followers.
This business with Tithes etc, I go to a church that does NOT require tithes or offerings. God does not want our money. He wants us to be faithful and follow him, The so called “ten per cent” is part of yourself that you give to Jesus Christ.
Carly said”Oh yeah…She’s so greedy and tricky.”
Glad you agree with me
By: doxy on September 1, 2009
at 6:59 pm
then you don’t believe in the Bible, because it’s the Bible that says we need to keep tithes. It’s a law of God, not because God wants our money…God doesn’t need anything from us. It’s to show that we truly believe and acknowledge that God has given us everything, which you would realize if you truly studied about it and you weren’t spiritually blind. God is the one who told us to keep tithes, the same God who is Ahnsahnhong and Mother who came in the flesh and told us to as well, because IT’S IN THE BIBLE. You keep stating things that you think Church of God or Mother made u, but they’re all in the Bible. You clearly do not truly believe in the Bible or Jesus, or you would do what it and He says. And Mother doesn’t have physical children that came from Her own body, that is a false rumor, which there are many of, that satan stirs up because he hates Mother. She came here to save Her children.
By: Carly on September 11, 2009
at 11:15 am
Out of curiosity Carly, do you have family in the COG? Or has the COG ripped your family to pieces as it has done to mine? Did you have to lie to your parents and sneak around behind their back? Did you try preaching to them and get them into the COG without their knowledge? Did you sell ALL your possessions and hand the money over to the COG? I am speaking from first hand experience.
And another thing Carly you said” When I visited Mother, more money was surely spent on me individually in order to take care of me than my flight itself costed”. That’s right, they pamper people like you and other Cog followers to suck you in further so then you feel obligated to these people. It is a brainwashing tactic. Then you try and get other people into the church. Who operates like that?? God doesn’t that’s for sure. But CULTS definitely do. Try reading about CULTS, you will be horrified when you realise the COG fits it to a T. I pray that you and other members of this CULT wake up and start understanding what you are really in, and to understand the Bible the way it was meant. Don’t take me wrong, I am not trying to offend you in any way, if I can open up the eyes of even one COG follower, that’s one soul saved.
By: doxy on September 1, 2009
at 7:27 pm
I am very sad and sorry to hear about your family situation. Jesus already told us that this would happen.
Matthew 19:29 “And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.”
Matthew 10:21″Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22All men will hate you because of me, BUT HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED.”
Even though it is very difficult when our family persecutes and doesn’t accept, Jesus said those who stand firm to the end will be saved. I have seen this situation from other members in Zion, but thankfully they are staying firm in their faith and praying for God to open the way. God does everything working for our salvation. When situations arise that are very difficult, we should view them as tests from God, who wants to strengthen our faith and wants us to endure and overcome. Everything God does is to help us, that’s why we should always give thanks to Him, even if it doesn’t seem to be helpful at the moment with our own knowledge and understanding. Why would God want to make it difficult for us just because? Isn’t God love? God is finding His chosen children and finding those who will truly endure and overcome as He told us to and those who truly love Him more than anything or anyone else in this world. So far this test is not looking to good for you, but I pray that you will repent. I hope that YOU will wake up so that YOUR soul will be saved, because every soul is so precious. The Church of God is not a cult, that is a vicious rumor stirred up by satan which he will continue to do until he meets his doom. Everything we do is inside the Bible. All of the other denominations do things that Jesus never taught or did. How can that be following God truly? Those are the true cults. Those who celebrate christmas calling it the birthday of Christ, those who celebrate Easter, those who participate in Sunday worship, the day of the sun god, those who do not keep the 7 feasts of God…those are the true heretics, who do things against God’s will that God never told us to do, and those who do not do things that God commanded us to do. We believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother because they are CLEARLY prophesied about in the Bible. For those who can not realize these things, God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers and they are not God’s people.
Matthew 16:13-18
“13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15″But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.”
It is the same now!
By: Carly on September 11, 2009
at 11:32 am
Oh, I just saw in a former post that it’s your son that’s in the Church of god and not you! I didn’t realize that! Wow, firstly, I hope you will open your heart and at least study with him. Obviously its really important to him so at least do a lot of studying with hi! there’s a mom in our church who has had the same concerns with her children. But due to prayer, now, the mom, who was once atheist and persecuted, studies and hopefully will soon be baptized. I hope you will be willing to open your heart and study, if not, it seems God is using you to strengthen your son’s faith and to overcome and endure. Most of us receive persecution from our family. Please let my brother be!!
By: Carly on September 11, 2009
at 11:42 am
Carly and CoG and MJ will slowly crumble…
Evil never prevails! Hold on to Jesus guys!
By: ben on September 7, 2009
at 4:33 pm
lol that’ll be the day
By: Carly on September 11, 2009
at 11:33 am
is Mother soo unimportant that Jesus didn’t mention her when he spoke to the Father? He said Father, Father but i dont recall him saying Mother, Mother.
By: Jenny B on September 12, 2009
at 6:20 am
oh and the way i see it, COG is sexualizing God when they say there is a God the Father, Mother and Son. this completely excludes and ignores the Holy Spirit. a member has preached saying that all creatures have both mother and father so we need the same. but God is not a sexual being. He has no gender.
when it says “make man in OUR image”, it means the Trinity. the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son as does a child proceeds from a father and mother. God is NOT a sexual being.
and our being “fallen angels” makes no sense. that means The Fall of Man in Genesis should NEVER have happened.
By: Jenny B on September 12, 2009
at 6:33 am
Wow, it seems like you’re really confused about a lot of subjects.
Jesus didn’t speak “explicitly” about Mother (except to His diciples in secret, I’m guessing) because it wasn’t the time for Her to be revealed. It was God’s plan for it to be revealed at His Second Coming. However, Jesus did speak about Mother through parables, such as through the Heavenly Wedding Banquet. During the time of Jesus, the age of the Son, people needed to believe in the name of Jesus in order to receive salvation. Now, during the age of the Holy Spirit, we must believe in the Spirit and the Bride in order to receive salvation, who are giving us eternal life. It is essential to believe and follow them for life. however, before they came, how could we believe in them? That is like asking the Jews to believe in Jesus before He came, when it was still the age of the Father, Jehovah. This is why Jesus said that those believing in His name would receieve eternal life at the time, because at that time, they could. Now, according the the prophecies, Christ appeared a Second time, whom we must recognize and believe in and follow for eternal life, as well as Mother, in the same way.
You’re very confused about the Father and Son thing, I don’t even know where you’re going with that…the name of the Father is Jehovah, the name of the Son is Jesus, the name of the Holy Spirit is Ahnsahnghong. But they is all one God, the Father. Excluding the Holy Spirit? Lol. It’s Ahnsahnghong! We obviously don’t exclude the Holy Spirit! We are living in the age of the Holy Spirit.
If God made man in His image meaning the trinity, then everyone would be male, because the Father Son and Holy Spirit are all male. But man is male and female, made in the image of God, meaning God must have a male and a female image. Furthermore, the trinity is one God. If it was just the male image of God, the trinity, then He would not speak in “us” and “our,” plural terms. Elohim would not have been used. But it was used, which means “Gods,” over 2,500 times in the Old Testament to describe God.
The fall of man about Even and Adam sinning has a much greater meaning than your or our understanding. It tells of what happened in heaven and why we are fallen angels, it tells about First Coming Christ, it tells about Second Coming Christ…it has so many truths. It was God’s will for them to sin in the Garden of Eden. It was all part of His plan. To say that God didn’t know they would sin is putting limitations on God, who knows the end from the beginning. Would it be just if all men had to die because of ONE man? What do we have to do with him? It was all part of God’s plan. We can clearly see throughout the entire Bible that our souls were in Heaven before the creation of the world and that Jesus Christ came to seek the lost sinners from heaven. We can be forgiven of our sin and from our sins on this earth through the Passover.
I have just touched on these issues because I’m sure that they have been explained in depth in previous posts. I hope you will seek a Church of God near you to study further and you will get a clearer understanding or check out our website. I think you are very confused about many subjects that are clear in the Bible and that many other church members have already addressed above previously in the post. I think you should refer to those to get a clearer understanding. God Bless You!
By: Carly on September 14, 2009
at 11:55 am
RYAN i would like to share a fragrance with you!! check out my response from your july 25th posting..God bless you!!
By: Jenna on September 17, 2009
at 5:55 am
I would be praying for all you COG members =(
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
– Ephesians 6:12
This is spiritual warfare going on ….
By: Jonathan on September 23, 2009
at 12:24 am
know the truth:
http://www.proveahnsahnghong.com
By: John Smith on September 23, 2009
at 11:47 pm
Yes I believe in second comming christ. I am suprise why people can’t believe christ ahnsahnghong. I also request all those who read above given comments should go through bible and study the fact. Bible is a word of god & god is never wrong.
By: Sushil Lama on October 5, 2009
at 6:07 pm
God Bless You Sister! There is a clear reason why some people do not believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, even though He is clearly testified about in the Bible, and there are even more prophecies about His Second Coming than His First Coming. Here is your answer, through the Bible:
John 8:47 “Those who belong to God hear what God says. The reason you do not hear is because you do not belong to God.”
John 10:27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.”
Only those who are chosen by God, who belong to God, can realize the truth. We do not believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong because we are somehow smarter or wiser than others, but simply because by the grace of God, They have lavished on us wisdom and understanding so that we may believe in the truth and accept the truth. God has opened our spiritual eyes and ears, but not everyones. This makes us give even more thanks to Father and Mother! Others continually reject, even though there is more than sufficient evidence, because they are not God’s people, even if outwardly they appear to be so, claiming to be so-called Christians.
By: Carly on October 16, 2009
at 5:11 am
To Carly: God bless you sister!! I’ve been in the church for almost 4yrs now, I’ve seen Mother, I’ve bore fruit, as a matter of fact this week we’ve been out there preaching, searching for our lost brothers and sisters as Father and Mother commanded us special during this Feast! Now my question is, you really did not know Mother has physically children? When did you come to the church? Mother was married and so was Father. Mother has children and Father did too. Mother’s children do not believe in her and from Father’s children only one does. I do not like lying or covering things up. If you really believe in Father and Mother these things should not change your faith. Regardless of their physical lives They are Elohim!!!! Pls ask your pastor or older sisters if you are not sure bout this matter and if we are going to save souls let’s do it with the truth and without pretending! GBU
By: Lizet on October 8, 2009
at 12:36 am
God Bless You Sister! No, I had no idea about this matter…I’ve seen Mother as well…but are you 100% sure?? Of course they are Elohim no matter what but that doesn’t make any sense, I don’t understand…I will ask someone about it! God Bless you!
By: Carly on October 16, 2009
at 5:15 am
Gbu sister! Im sorry if the messages was a little rough. Yes I am 100% sure, unless i was lied to when i first came to the truth, but I refuse to believe that was the case. I really doubt any of my brothers and sisters would lie to me about this issue, nor would my pastor! So the answer is yes, but like i said before it’s best that you talk about this matter with your older sisters, missonary or even your pastor. Pls let me know if i am the one who is wrong, althoug that would mean i was lied to. In any case let’s not allow these things to shake our faith. Father and Mother are Elohim forever and ever and soon we’ll be back home! Continue preaching and GBU !!!
By: Lizet on October 22, 2009
at 10:36 pm
why this church don’t do thanksgiving and christmass what are the storys behide why they don’t celebrate this holdays.
By: redrose on October 13, 2009
at 12:28 am
thanks who respond to me I am sorry that i repet the same thing but I don’t have a compter and I use my mom compter when I go vist her. And I only look up what people say when I can go on a compter. But please explane about thanksgiving please why this church don’t bleave that we should clebrate thanksgiving?
By: redrose on October 13, 2009
at 2:15 am
Because it was a day proclaimed to give thanks to God for all He has done for us…but God never told us to celebrate this. You can research the history of it. Basically, any religious holidays that God did not tell us to celebrate, we don’t celebrate. However, the 7 feasts, God did tell us to celebrate, so we do.
By: Carly on October 16, 2009
at 5:19 am
proveahnsahnghong.com
Please visit the website above to find out about the lies of anti-Church of God websites. God bless you all.
By: brofromzion on October 16, 2009
at 8:56 pm
Dear Carly and Lizet,
About whether Father and Mother had physical children here on earth… Whatever the truth is, one or the other of you has been lied to about this by your leaders. I don’t know about you, but once I realize someone has lied to me about something, all of a sudden I realize that everything they’ve said now is in question. Could there have been lies about other things as well?
And, Carly, you said, “Of course they are Elohim no matter what but that doesn’t make any sense,” and Lizet you said, “let’s not allow these things to shake our faith.”
Now think carefully. If you had a friend in any other church (Mormon, Buddhist, whatever), and they learned that their leaders had lied to them. Wouldn’t you be advising your friend that something was wrong, and that they should start investigating with an open mind whether their church was true or not?
Something is wrong here. Take it as a sign that you should do some investigating. If your church is true, then you will have nothing to worry about, right?
And Dear Brofromzion,
The website you reference does nothing to refute the ligitimate Biblical arguments that have been raised on the “anti-Church of God websites.” I think you use it to avoid answering serious questions.
For example, why did Ahnsahnghong say that God “unjustly” hurled some of the angels to earth? (from the Spring of the Water of Life book, page 337) God cannot be “unjust”. (2 Thess. 1:5,6)
By: genny on October 27, 2009
at 12:55 am
It’s amazing how the prophecies in the Bible are being fulfilled. I truly give thanks to Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for giving us the Heavenly knowledge in these last days. Used to be an atheist but when I heard the true Gospel of Christ, I realize that we can never understand God’s will if we rely only on men’s opinion. Truly only Elohim God can give us eternal life in these last days.
Every earthly system is a copy and a shadow of the Heavenly one.
Heb. 8:5 “They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and a shadow of what is in Heaven.”
Among the earthly systems, family system is also a copy and a shadow of the heavenly one. In other words, when we look into the earthly family, we can understand the heavenly family.
A family= home, and a family is consist of father, mother and children; brothers and sisters.
Jn. 14:1-2 “In my Father’s house are many rooms… I am going to prepare a prepare a place for you.”
Heb.12:9 As we have human fathers, so we have the Father of our spirits.
Mt. 6:9 “Our Father in heaven.”
Clearly we see through the bible that we have a heavenly Father. How can a man be called father? A man must have children to be called father. Then are there heavenly children?
Mt. 12:50 We have spiritual brothers and sisters, too. The one who does the will of God are heavenly children of the Father.
It is impossible for there to be children without a mother. There are human mothers in this earth. Then, there must be the Mother of our spirits.
Gal. 4:26 The Jerusalem that is above is our Mother
Just as we have earthly family, God revealed to us that we have the Heavenly Family.
Christ AhnSahngHong Who revealed The Heavenly Family and Mother through the earthly familyFamily is related by blood. Then how about the heavenly family? Christ has let us inherit the heavenly blood through the bread and wine of the Passover and become the heirs of His kingdom, so that we know that we are of the same blood. On the Passover, Jesus said:
Christ AhnSahngHong Who revealed The Heavenly Family and Mother through the earthly family
Lk.22:20 “This cup is the new covenant in my blood.”Jesus celebrates passover with disciples.”
Christ AhnSahngHong Who revealed The Heavenly Family and Mother through the earthly family
The heavenly family is related through blood which is the blood of Christ through Passover.
Ro. 8:16-17 Through Christ’s blood, we have become God’s children and His heirs.
Since we are coheirs with Christ, we will share in His sufferings, which we may also share in his glory. We are born of heavenly blood.
Isn’t this amazing? I hope everyone will realize this wonderful truth of salvation, not relying on men’s opinion, and come to be part of the heavenly Family through Christ Blood.
I thank Father Christ AhnSahngHong and Mother so much for this wonderful truth of salvation.
By: Dark Angel II on October 27, 2009
at 9:49 am
genny said “For example, why did Ahnsahnghong say that God “unjustly” hurled some of the angels to earth? (from the Spring of the Water of Life book, page 337) God cannot be “unjust”. (2 Thess. 1:5,6”
why genny? you’ve read the book right so you should know why. also, why would the Loving God would put us here on earth. it would be “unjust” if the Loving God just put us here on earth where there’s full of pain, sorrow, suffering, even death without any reason. if you know the answer then why do you need to ask me?
By: brofromzion on October 27, 2009
at 10:05 am
brofromzion,
When anyone accuses God of being “unjust” it is because they are using their own opinion. They don’t agree with what God has done, or don’t understand why He would do such a thing, or think they know better than God…. The truth is that God’s ways and knowledge are higher than ours, and we trust that HE IS JUST, whether or not we see if from our earthly perspective.
The Bible says that He is just and righteous. And anyone who seriously says that God is unjust or unfair says so by their own opinion, not by the truth of the Bible.
Did Ahnshanghong preach truth or opinion? If he says that God is “unjust”, then he preached opinion.
Why do I ask if I already know the answer? Because I wonder if you realize the answer.
By: genny on October 28, 2009
at 4:45 am
Are you serious genny? why God would accuse Himself to be unjust? unfortunately you didn’t understand the book. read it again and if you need help please visit our closes Zion or you can ask me to give you my email so my Brothers and Sisters could visit you and we’ll explain you everything through the Bible. i’ll even be there myself because i truly want to save people and lead them to Zion where salvation is given in these last days. you can even ask your sister since you mentioned before that you have a sister who is my Heavenly Sister right? ok i have to go now to find my lost Heavenly Brothers and Sisters by preaching on the street and house to house so we can be with our Heavenly Father and Mother in Kingdom of Heaven. God bless you genny.
Matthew 28:19-20
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father(Jehovah) and of the Son(Jesus) and of the Holy Spirit(Ahnsahnghong), 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Luke 15:3-7
3Then Jesus told them this parable: 4″Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Luke 15:32
32But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.
By: brofromzion on October 28, 2009
at 10:51 am
On the otherhand, anti-Church of God websites accusations are totally absurd. Every religion out there claims they are the “right way to salvation” including those outside Christianity (Muslims, Buddhist, etc.) then “outsiders are all wrong. They will constantly find faults, just like how atheists continiously rationalizing Christianity. I will site one of the section from proveahnsahnghong.com to prove my point.
Identification Marks
1. The group will have an elitist view of itself in relation to others. They will believe that they are a unique cause. They will believe that they are the only ones right. Everyone else is wrong. They are the only ones doing God’s will. Everyone else is in apostasy
Isn’t that the reason why people choose to follow a religion, because they think that what they are learning and following is right? Especially in Christianity; anything outside of the teachings of Christ is considered false.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 18:37 … Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of the truth listens to me.”
Since there can only be one truth, Jesus’ statement lets us understand that anything outside his teaching must be false. Isn’t this elitist?
2. They are only concerned with recruiting and growing, they will promote their cause actively, and in doing so, abuse God-given personal rights, individual spiritual gifts, individual talents and individual freedoms. This abuse can be THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL, SOCIAL & PSYCHOLOGICAL.
The Church of God does not abuse the personal rights of anyone. We do not force anyone to stay in our Church. In regards to recruiting and growing, that is a basic teaching of Christ, which is to preach the gospel.
Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
An essential practice in the Christian faith is to preach the gospel. To recruit and grow is the Christian way.
3. Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God.
Please tell me what religion has not started by someone stating that they have some kind of special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God? Even Jesus Christ made this claim:
Matthew 28:18 The Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”
Among all the people who claim to have a special revelation, who is telling the truth? It is the ones who practice the teachings of the Bible.
Cited: http://www.proveahnsahnghong.com/identifying-world-mission-society-church-god-cult/identification-marks/
By: brofromzion on October 27, 2009
at 10:24 am
Well said brofromzion. Now I will share a study of truth that cannot be refuted by Church of God haters no matter what.
Abraham’s Family and Heavenly Mother
By studying Abraham’s Family History, We can know that Heavenly Mother must be exist for us.
Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
First of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.
Luke 16:19-31 『”…The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham…’ “』
This parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham represents the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.
Then, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir.
There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Gen. 15:1-4 『…But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』
When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.
Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.
Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』
When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three—Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac—Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir.
Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.
In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir—that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.
What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.
Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother—only the children who are born through the new covenant—can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:22-31 『…But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother…Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
IN TODAY’S WORLD, THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF PEOPLE: THOSE WHO ARE LIKE ELIEZER, THOSE LIKE ISHMAEL, AND THOSE WHO ARE LIKE ISAAC. THE FIRST TYPE OF PEOPLE, WHO ARE LIKE ELIEZER, ARE ATHEISTS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN FATHER GOD OR IN MOTHER GOD. THE SECOND TYPE OF PEOPLE, WHO ARE LIKE ISHMAEL, ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN FATHER GOD, BUT DO NOT BELIEVE IN MOTHER GOD. THE THIRD TYPE OF PEOPLE, WHO ARE LIKE ISAAC, ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN MOTHER GOD AS WELL AS FATHER GOD. ACCORDING TO THE HISTORY OF ABRAHAM’S FAMILY, WHICH ONE OF THESE THREE TYPES CAN BECOME HEIR OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN? ONLY THE THIRD TYPE OF PEOPLE, WHO ARE LIKE ISAAC, CAN BE RECOGNIZED AS GOD’S HEIRS. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.
The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven.
All the glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong who has revealed us Heavenly Mother Jerusalem, the Last Eve who will give us the water of life in these last days.
Galatians 4:26-31
26But the JERUSALEM that is above is free, and she is OUR MOTHER. 27For it is written:
“Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”
28Now you, brothers, LIKE ISAAC, are CHILDREN OF PROMISE. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
By: Poland on October 27, 2009
at 11:15 am
Poland, you said, “we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible” and “the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way.”
Who does Abraham represent in the Bible? The patriarch, the great-great-great-….great-grandfather of all the Jews. THAT is why he is called “Father Abraham”. All the Jews consider him to be their father (many generations removed), and so if they saw him in the spiritual world they would call him “father”.
As for the WMSCOG’s interpretation of Gal. 4:26-31, you might read it that way if you *already* believe in a Heavenly Mother. Otherwise it’s perfectly clear as a comparison between the old and new covenants without the existence of an actual “Mother God.”
But I’m a bit confused about what the WMSCOG believes is the “New Covenant”. I thought it was Passover, but now you are saying that mother god is the new covenant? What happened to the Passover and the physically eating and drinking of the bread and cup at that special hour of the year?
But I’ll ask you the same question I asked brofromzion, which is what I really would like to understand….
How do you know if you are saved or not? Are you certain Mother will be taking you to heaven with her? And how do you know?
By: genny on October 28, 2009
at 2:17 pm
God bless you genny. brofromzion already told you that if you want answers to your question then go to the Zion where your sister goes. they will answer you questions.
now i will explain you just a little bit about spiritual Israelites and if you want to learn more then go to Zion. we will not entertain questions here in the internet anymore.
let’s open our Bible so that we can receive much blessing from Heavenly Father and Mother. let’s read this verse that brofromzion used that it is clear that there’s no distinction between Jews and Gentiles because if anyone belongs to Christ then they are Abraham’s seed.
Galatians 3:26-29 – 26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
clearly all who are in Christ are Abraham’s seed meaning they are spiritual Israelites. then Bible says that we need to focus on being a Jew inwardly or spiritually.
Romans 2:28-29 – 28A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.
clearly Bible says that a man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly or physically. now why do we have to become a Jew or Israelite spiritually?
Romans 7:1-4 – 1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3″Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
the 144,000 spiritual Israelites are the ones that will be saved in the last days. that’s why Bible tells us that we must become spiritual Israelites in order to be one. how? by following Christ then we become spiritual Israelites and Abraham’s seed who will inherit the kingdom of heaven.
By: Poland on October 29, 2009
at 7:03 am
brofromzion, you said, ” why God would accuse Himself to be unjust? unfortunately you didn’t understand the book.”
Exactly my point. God cannot call His own actions unjust. Ahnsahnghong was not and is not God.
And yes, I did understand what he was saying in his book. In that portion, he was saying that we ordinary people are actually angels who sinned greatly in heaven, rebelling against God, and were cast down to be born here on earth. Then he goes on to say that some of the angels “sinned unintentionally, being tempted, and were unjustly accused and hurled to the earth.” And those are the ones Jesus came to seek and to save.
But on the same subject of us being fallen angels, can you explain this to me? Why does the WMSCOG use Prov. 8:22-31 to prove that Solomon existed with God before the world began? If you read the whole of chapter 8, you clearly see that the “I” speaking in those verses is not Solomon, but “Wisdom”. And before you try to answer that “Wisdom” is the same as Solomon, remember that Wisdom is referred to as female, and of course Solomon was definitely male.
And by the way, you even said you’d visit me yourself because you so want to see people find salvation. Thank you for the kind sentiment, but, who knows how far of a plane ride that would be? That’s why I’m here online.
Oh, and one more thing…. How do you know if you are saved or not? Are you certain Mother will be taking you to heaven with her? And how do you know?
Thank you for talking with me brofromzion. And I do sincerely pray that all who read this blog will be able to come to a right understanding of the truth.
By: genny on October 28, 2009
at 1:21 pm
God bless you genny. like i said before, i’d love to study the Bible with you but not in the internet. if you truly want answers to your questions, please visit the closes Zion which your sister goes. where are you from anyway? if you don’t want to say it in the internet then i can give you my email and we can talk there in private.
I don’t know why your making assumption that Christ Ahnsahnghong is not God? are you simply looking at His physical appearance? if that’s the case then you won’t believe Jesus Christ 2000 years ago because He’s only a mere carpenter. genny, only through the Bible we can recognize the Saviors in every age. in the age of the Father, salvation was depended upon knowing the name of God the Father Jehovah. in the age of the Son, the name of the savior is Jesus, even though you won’t find the name Jesus in the Old Testament. now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit. Christ Ahnsahnghong is God the Holy Spirit because the Bible testified so, even if you don’t find the name Ahnsahnghong in the Bible.
John 5:39-40
39You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
About Abraham, it seems that you don’t understand genny. If we belong to Christ then we are spiritual Israelites and heirs according to the promise, which is to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
Galatians 3:26-29
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Then do you know how can we belong to Christ so that we will become Abraham’s seed? Just as physical flesh and blood connects a family, so does the spiritual family. Through the Passover body and blood of Christ, we are spiritually connect and we become part of the spiritual family of God.
John 6:53-56
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
clearly on verse 56 “56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him”.
i’d love to show you more genny but internet is not a good place to study. please visit the nearest Zion where your sister goes and you will see how amazing the truth is. All the glory to Christ Ahnsahnghong who has revealed us the way to eternal life through the Passover body and blood of Christ. God bless you genny.
By: brofromzion on October 28, 2009
at 4:42 pm
Dear brofromzion and Poland
Why do you insist that I see a church member personally? Is that the only way your message is convincing? Or is it because you will keep talking and talking until I get so tired I don’t know what I’m thinking any more? (Yes, I can see that happening… The time I did get to visit my sister’s church her leader kept talking despite my telling her numerous times that I had a time limit because I had to be back at the place I was staying before the gates closed, and yet she kept going and going, well past my limit making me late.)
You say you don’t want to discuss these things on the internet, but why? You must realize that the WMSCOG does not have “Zions” everywhere? My sister and I live *hundreds of miles* apart. How far do you expect someone to travel to find someone to talk to? The internet is the only place some people have to deal with these questions. Maybe you can think of this as your “ministry”.
So yes, I need to find someone on the internet who will talk to me.
I’m going to address some of the items you brought up….
Yes, believers are considered spiritual Jews. The reason I was talking about Abraham being the physical father of the Jews is because of the story mentioned about Lazarus and the rich man. In that story, Lazarus and the rich man are Jews and Jesus is directing the story to Jews, and that is why they refer to “Father” Abraham. They are not calling Abraham “Father” as in Father God, but in reference to their patriarch, their physical father.
You had said this story means that Abraham is a reference for God because he was called “Father” in the spiritual realm, and I was responding that no, he was called Father Abraham because he was actually their great-great-great…-grandfather.
brofromzion, you said, “I don’t know why your making assumption that Christ Ahnsahnghong is not God? are you simply looking at His physical appearance?”
I make the assumption that Ahnsahnghong is not God because that it what you do when someone claims to be God. (There are many who have claimed to be the Christ, as you know.) You do NOT start by assuming they are God and try to prove them wrong. The claimant must PROVE that he is God first.
I have looked at the prophecies that are supposed to prove that Ahnsahnghong is God, and they have fallen far, far short of proof. And so when Ahnsahnghong does or says things that are not consistent with what God would do or say, I don’t have to figure out why “God Ahnsahnghong” is not fitting in the “God” character like he’s supposed to. He’s not fitting because he is not God. It has nothing to do with what he looks like.
As for my question about what you must do to be saved. Was the answer “by taking the Passover”? Is that the only thing or is there more?
Thank you for your time and attention. I appreciate your help when you are willing to discuss things.
By: genny on October 30, 2009
at 11:39 am
God bless you genny. I see that you are far from your sister. then we are willing to visit you for any questions you may have. please let know if your interested and hope you will study with us in person so we can explain things better for you. ok take care and God bless you. All the glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem who came as the Spirit and the Bride in these last days to give us water of life according to the prophecy of the Bible.
By: brofromzion on October 30, 2009
at 1:09 pm
world mission church of god ahnsahnghong breaks families apart. My wife now spends all of her time at church. She no care of me and the kids. only care about church everyday, preach on the srteet and malls.
By: mrkorea on October 30, 2009
at 11:39 pm
Now, there are so many disasters everywhere in the world: wars between nations, ethnic conflicts, terrors, famines, earthquakes, and deadly cold or heat or flood caused by changes in weather patterns. Whenever such things occur, people tremble with fear, not knowing who or what they should set their hearts on.
The Bible already prophesied about the coming disasters and what people would do in the day of such disasters.
Amos 9:2-4
2 Though they dig down to the depths of the grave,
from there my hand will take them.
Though they climb up to the heavens,
from there I will bring them down.
3 Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel,
there I will hunt them down and seize them.
Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea,
there I will command the serpent to bite them.
4 Though they are driven into exile by their enemies,
there I will command the sword to slay them.
I will fix my eyes upon them
for evil and not for good.”
As described in the above prophecy, people desperately try to hide themselves anywhere, because they come to face terrible disasters which men cannot endure. The above prophecy is not about what happened in the days of Amos the prophet about 2,800 years ago, but what will occur in the great and dreadful day of the LORD, at the Last Judgment.
Men cannot escape the last plagues by their own methods
Modern people, who live in the age of the high-tech science, feel fear about the coming disasters and the end of mankind, and they try to find various ways to escape from the disasters. They make every effort to find refuge underground or at the bottom of the sea or on a planet outside the earth so that they may escape the threat of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating all life on earth many times over. An atomic submarine for hiding themselves at the bottom of the sea, a spaceship for climbing up to the heavens, … , such various methods are being discussed. According to a press report, America has constructed a large bunker beneath the White House at Mount Weather; and there is said to be ninety-nine underground cities in various places, as a provision for emergency.
However, the Bible clearly says that even by using the modern scientific methods, no one can escape God’s fierce anger. It also says that the last disaster will come upon all the earth, not just upon parts of it.
Luke 21:35
35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
Isaiah 24:1-13
1 See, the LORD is going to lay waste the earth
and devastate it;
he will ruin its face
and scatter its inhabitants-
2 it will be the same
for priest as for people,
for master as for servant,
for mistress as for maid,
for seller as for buyer,
for borrower as for lender,
for debtor as for creditor.
3 The earth will be completely laid waste
and totally plundered.
The LORD has spoken this word.
4 The earth dries up and withers,
the world languishes and withers,
the exalted of the earth languish.
5 The earth is defiled by its people;
they have disobeyed the laws,
violated the statutes
and broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth;
its people must bear their guilt.
Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up,
and very few are left.
7 The new wine dries up and the vine withers;
all the merrymakers groan.
8 The gaiety of the tambourines is stilled,
the noise of the revelers has stopped,
the joyful harp is silent.
9 No longer do they drink wine with a song;
the beer is bitter to its drinkers.
10 The ruined city lies desolate;
the entrance to every house is barred.
11 In the streets they cry out for wine;
all joy turns to gloom,
all gaiety is banished from the earth.
12 The city is left in ruins,
its gate is battered to pieces.
13 So will it be on the earth
and among the nations,
as when an olive tree is beaten,
or as when gleanings are left after the grape harvest.
Now, let’s see how the disaster comes upon every nation all over the world.
2 Peter 3:3-12
3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
The Bible says that God will use fire for His judgment. So the disaster, which will come upon the whole world, is fire. When the day comes, the heavens will be destroyed by fire and all things will be burnt up and melt in the heat. The day will be a day of distress; even the warriors will tremble with fear and cry out bitterly.
However, God has prepared a way to escape the disaster when such dreadful day comes. He has made the way-the good news of salvation-known to us. We can get it only through the Bible, not through any high-tech equipment developed by scientists.
Passover is the way to escape the disaster
Let’s take a careful look at God’s word of promise to let us escape any disaster.
Exodus 12:11-14
11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’s Passover.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD -a lasting ordinance.
At the time of the Exodus, when the plague of destroying every firstborn was brought upon Egypt, no plague befell to the Israeli houses which kept the Passover. In other words, the plague passed over them. Thus, Passover (pascha in Greek, pesach in Hebrew) implies “Plagues pass over.”
Such a history was written as a warning for us. Faithless Israel didn’t believe in the power of the Passover. However, Judah regarded the Passover as important and celebrated it. Through the history of Israel and of Judah, we come to realize how truly important the Passover is.
Hezekiah king of Judah read all the words of the covenant, which had been found in the temple of the LORD when it was being repaired and restored. He realized the covenant of God and sent couriers to all Judah and Israel so that they might celebrate the Passover which had not been kept for a long time. When the couriers delivered the king’s command to “come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover,” Israel scorned and ridiculed them, and several years later it fell to Assyria (2 Ki 18:9-12). However, Judah celebrated the Passover holy and could repulse the attack of powerful Assyria with God’s mighty power (2 Ch 30:1-27; 2 Ki 18:13-19:37).
In these last days, there are two groups of people: one group who will receive terrible plagues, and the other who will escape them with God’s help.
Revelation 7:1-3
1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3″Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
The only way to escape the last plagues is to receive the seal of God. Then, what is the seal of God? The Bible prophesies that the blood of the Passover lamb will be a sign for God’s people so that they may escape the last plagues. In other words, the blood of the Passover lamb is ‘the seal of God’ through which God’s people can be saved.
At the time of the Exodus, the Israelites could be saved from the terrible plague of destroying every firstborn, by putting the blood of a year-old Passover lamb on their door posts and eating the meat. The Passover lamb of the Old Testament represents Jesus.
1 Corinthians 5:7-8
7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
No one can escape the last plagues without ‘the blood of Jesus Christ’ who is the Passover Lamb.
John 6:53-56
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Luke 22:7-15
7Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
9″Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.
10He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there.”
13They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Luke 22:19-20
19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
When the angels, who are given power to harm, let go of their hold on the wind [war], the terrible disasters [the last plagues] will come upon this earth (Rev 7:1-3). To make the last plagues pass over His people, God places His ‘seal’ on His children’s foreheads. The ‘seal of God’ is the seal of salvation through which God’s people can escape the disasters.
Ezekiel 9:3-6
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”
5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
Whom did God order the destroying angels to begin with? He told them to begin with the elders [leaders] of the false churches, who do not have the mark-the seal of God, the blood of the Passover Lamb-on their foreheads.
Considering the prophecies of the Bible, we are now living in the days of the last plagues. God is awakening us, His children, to the fact that we can escape the plagues only through the ‘seal of God.’ He shows us that His sealing work will arise from the east and spread to the west.
Revelation 7:2
2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea
When Apostle John received the revelation on the island of Patmos, he saw an angel ascending from the rising of the sun. This implies that God’s sealing work is to begin in the east.
God seals us as His own children
When we celebrate the Passover, God abides in us, and we in Him (Jn 6:56; 15:4-8). As we dwell in God, we belong to Him.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
21Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
God has set His seal on us to be marked as ‘His own.’ Let’s see what blessings God gives us, His own.
Isaiah 43:1-2
1 But now, this is what the LORD says—
he who created you, O Jacob,
he who formed you, O Israel:
“Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters,
I will be with you;
and when you pass through the rivers,
they will not sweep over you.
When you walk through the fire,
you will not be burned;
the flames will not set you ablaze.
God has made us His own by putting His seal on us through the Passover. He has firmly promised to protect us from any destructive disasters. God is now calling His children, living in the days of disasters, to celebrate the Passover and escape the last plagues.
Before the angels, who are holding back the four winds, let go of their hold, we should preach the Passover of the new covenant-the seal of God-to the whole world, as the couriers of the good news of salvation.
Brothers and sisters in Zion! Let’s give thanks to God for making us His very own, His treasured possession. We must all take part in God’s salvation work in this age.
By: Poland on November 11, 2009
at 5:26 pm
Someone might think why am I so eagerly want to preach about the good news of Passover. Here’s why:
Ezekiel 33:7-9
7 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself.
As a watchman of God, it is my duty to proclaim the good news of Passover. If people don’t listen then I’m not accountable for their blood. I truly give thanks forever and ever to our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem who revealed us this mystery of truth so that Their children might have salvation.
By: Poland on November 11, 2009
at 5:34 pm
Poland (and the WMSCOG) says that we must have God’s special seal to escape the disasters that are affecting the world, and that the way to get this seal is by taking the Passover–physically eating unleavened bread and drinking wine at a particular hour, on a particular day of the year.
But does the Bible say that you can have God’s special seal by taking part in a special Passover ceremony? Search for the word “seal” in the Bible and see if you can find a verse that says you can have God’s “seal” by taking the Passover bread and wine…
Have trouble finding it? Yep, me too, but you can easily find these verses…
Ephesians 4:30 “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
So we are sealed with the Holy Spirit…How?
Ephesians 1:13-14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.”
See that?…”HAVING BELIEVED, you were marked in him with a SEAL, the promised Holy Spirit”
And when we have that seal, it is a mark of God’s ownership, showing that we belong to Him…
2 Cor. 1:21-22 “Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.”
And each of these verses shows that the seal is a sign that your redemption (your ticket to heaven, if you will) is guaranteed.
God doesn’t wait for you to perform some special ceremony, or eat a special cracker at a special hour of the year, or even rack up points for good behavior, before He accepts you as His own.
As soon as you sincerely believe, you receive God’s seal of ownership. Seeking to obey Christ’s teachings comes afterwards.
Titus 3:4-7 “But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.”
By: genny on November 12, 2009
at 8:21 am
God bless you genny. I’m glad you brought this up. Many people, well like genny, thinks that what every member of Church of God effort to obey God’s commandments is what makes them righteous. But what people don’t know outside Church of God is that we simply obey the Words of God because it is God who promise salvation to those who do God’s will.
James 2:14-26 – 14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Clearly Bible says that faith alone is dead without obedience. Even demons and Satan believe in God Almighty. Then Satan must have the seal of redemption also right? Absolutely no. Satan has even try to abolish God’s way of salvation. Satan wants to deceive people to think that by obeying God on their own is ok. But God has already given us the way of salvation through His words of life. So I will go deeper regarding faith and obedience works together.
We have to realize that it is God who can makes us righteous. Without realizing this, we will continue to make ourselves righteous on our own, not doing the way God has told us to do.
John 15:5-8 – 5″I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
Clearly it is only God who can give us everything, including salvation. That’s why we should obey God according to what God has told us, not making our own way of what is righteous based on our own opinion. Passover itself is simply a mere festival. But since God has told us to keep it, then we can understand that it is because of God’s words Passover become God’s will in order for us to receive salvation. If God had never commanded us to keep these Passover, then it is useless. And by keeping Passover, God’s commandment through His words, we show that we truly believe.
1 Corinthians 3:5-7 – 5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.
Amen. If God didn’t allow things to grow, our own effort leads to nothing. So, should we obey God’s words or simply believe but don’t actually obey? Then if we don’t actually obey, does God sees us that we really don’t believe since we didn’t obey what God has told us to do.
Luke 6:46-49 – 46″Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. 48He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
It is because of God we can become righteous by obeying God’s words.
John 6:53-56 – 53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
How clear is this. This is God’s words of life. This is what makes Passover the way to eternal life. If God had never said these words, Passover is useless. And by obeying these words of God, we truly show that we believe God. Then why did God made it this way, that it is by His words we can be and not by our own effort?
Ephesians 2:8-9 – 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
We should only obey what God has told us in order to show our faith to Him, not by making our own way to be righteous. Brothers and Sisters in Zion, when the time comes we enter the kingdom of heaven, can we say to God that we the reason we were saved is because we obeyed the Passover? Absolutely no. It is God who gave us the way of salvation through His words of life. We cannot even obey Passover at the first place if God has never allowed us to receive eternal life through it. So it is simply God who has gave us the way to eternal life through the Passover by His powerful words of truth. When God says something, it will happen. That’s why we should only listen to God’s words and we cannot deny that Passover is one of the things that God has promised eternal life to those who keep it by His WORDS OF LIFE.
John 6:60-69 – 60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. THE WORDS I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, “THIS IS WHY I TOLD YOU THAT NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER HAS ENABLED HIM.”
66From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
67″You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
68Simon Peter answered him, “LORD, TO WHOM SHALL WE GO? YOU HAVE THE WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.”
I give all the glory to Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem who has explained us that the only way to receive the promised eternal life is by obeying God’s Words absolutely.
By: brofromzion on November 13, 2009
at 12:12 am
Amen. Now this verse is much more clear now to me.
Titus 3:4-7
4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
Wow truly it is God who gave us the way to eternal life through His words. And the only way we can show that we have faith is by obeying what God has told us to do in order for us to have eternal life. That’s much more clear for me. Now I will only listen to God’s Words, not my own opinion, so that I could be righteous because of God. Thank you Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong for writing the books of truth so that we can understand these things. Truly You are God. Thanks to Mother Jerusalem for sacrificing Herself, leaving Her glorious throne to guide Her children in these last days and even wearing the sinners cloth of flesh just to give Her children a chance to return to Heavenly Home, our true hometown. I will only listen to God’s words.
By: Poland on November 13, 2009
at 12:24 am
no one from the ‘church’ care about what i post previous. this church is breaking my family.
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world mission church of god ahnsahnghong breaks families apart. My wife now spends all of her time at church. She no care of me and the kids. only care about church everyday, preach on the srteet and malls.
By: mrkorea on November 15, 2009
at 1:47 am
Poland, I think that was one of the most well-written responses I’ve read from anyone from your church. Thank you. I don’t quite agree with you, but I appreciate how you explained yourself.
Yes, obedience is important. But there is still this fine difference between obeying God’s because He has already saved you and you truly love Him and desire to please Him and follow Him….and obeying God because He has given you commands to follow in order to acheive His salvation.
Do you see the difference? One person obeys God so that God will save him. Another obeys God because God has already saved him.
Here’s where the difficulty comes in, and this is the question I would really like an answer to….
The WMSCOG says (and this is directly from the church website, the page about the veil),
“Even though this regulation [the veil] seems minor, it cannot be neglected. None of God’s commands were instituted meaninglessly. All of the regulations were given to God’s people because they are necessary for our salvation and allow us to enter the kingdom of God….If we regard God’s regulations as trivial, God will regard us as trivial.”
Your church is saying that no matter how small one of God’s commands seems, they must ALL be followed in order to be saved and enter heaven.
If that were true, a fair and just God would make sure you knew ALL of the commands you were to keep so that you would have a fair chance of entering His kingdom. Just like when you take a college class, the professor will tell you at the beginning exactly what tests, projects, and papers you will be required to complete in order to pass.
Surely the WMSCOG has put together a list of these commands and regulations and requirements so that you won’t miss any. Where is it?
I also, like you, want to listen to God’s words and follow His will. A complete list of God’s commands would be helpful to us both, don’t you think? Can I please have it? Thank you.
By: genny on November 16, 2009
at 2:26 pm
God bless you genny. I’m glad that your giving a chance for the Gospel to be preach to you. Like we said before, if you truly want to learn the truth, please visit our closest Zion to you. Or we can set up a Bible study at your house and we would visit you for any questions you might have. Just give us your contact and we will visit you.
About the list of commandments you were asking, it’s Passover and All the Feasts of God. And if you want to understand more about Passover and All the Feasts of God so you can fully obey ALL God’s commandments and enter the Kingdom of Heaven, please visit our closest Zion or give us your contact and we will explain it to you, right at your own house. God bless you genny.
By: brofromzion on November 16, 2009
at 5:33 pm
Hi Brofromzion,
You seem to have forgotten. I do my studying online. There must be someone who knows how to express themselves in writing.
You said, “About the list of commandments you were asking, it’s Passover and All the Feasts of God. And if you want to understand more about Passover and All the Feasts of God so you can fully obey ALL God’s commandments and enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”
So it’s not JUST the Passover, but all the feasts of God and ALL God’s commandments. Yes, I understand that is what you believe. But what are ALL those commandments? Maybe you can start me with a partial list?
By: genny on November 16, 2009
at 11:52 pm
God bless you genny. This is my last invitation for you. If you want to study more about the truth, please come to Zion or we will visit you at your house. Thank you and God bless you.
By: brofromzion on November 17, 2009
at 8:29 am
FUCK YOU. COME THERE.
By: RockBooty on November 24, 2009
at 4:22 pm
brofromzion, i would also like for you to answer these questions online as i too have the same questions and from personal experience, i would rather not go back to that church. i am still willing to ask questions and receive answers but i think it should be ok to do it online. if you answer these questions online, you are also answering others who have the same questions.
and i dont think it would make sense for someone to give another person online their personal information. thats likes giving a stranger your home address on myspace or facebook or something. no offense to you or anything, its just that we dont know what kind of person you are.
By: Emilyn on November 17, 2009
at 9:36 am
“i would rather not go back to that church”
You already made your choice.
By: brofromzion on November 18, 2009
at 7:56 am
brofromzion,
you didn’t prove any type of point that you are trying to make. from what i’m seeing from that response, you are picking and choosing things from what i said, just as you and your church do to the bible. what you are implying is not what i actually mean.
what i mean is that i don’t want to go back to that church because of my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, and not because i am so quickly ignoring and rejecting your beliefs. obviously, i’m trying to further understand your church’s doctrines and i, and i’m sure so many others, want answers to these simple questions which you are not giving. like i said in my previous post: i am willing to ask questions and receive answers. so please answer these questions online.
By: Emilyn on November 18, 2009
at 10:04 am
Emilyn has a good point. There are others out there with questions and not everyone is able to or wants to have a personal visit. The internet is a fantastic tool for us.
Since my questions are so often avoided, I’m going to start answering this last one myself. Here are some of God’s commandments which I wonder if our WMSCOG friends are keeping so that they will be allowed into heaven….
Romans 13:1-7 about submitting to authorities, or obeying the law of the land (when it does not contradict God’s standards of course)… Do you ALWAYS come to a full and complete stop at stop signs when you are driving? How about NEVER driving over the speed limit (even a little)?
How about this one…Lev. 19:27 “Do not cut the hair on the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” Did Jesus change this requirement? How long is your hair near your ears?
Or Deut. 22:12–Have you put tassels on all your coats?
For the women of your church, how about makeup and hair coloring? I’ve heard some churches say these things are not allowed because they show that you do not agree with the way God made you and you think you can “improve” on it, that it shows disdain for God and His creation. What’s the position of the WMSCOG?
How about television? There is a church down the street that tells their members that they should not have televisions because the programming is filled with so much immorality and immodesty. How could you follow Phil. 4:8 with all that junk going into your brain?
Here’s something more serious–Matt. 19:9. Do any of your church members get a divorce for any reason other than adultery? How about remarriage after divorce, for any reason? That’s adultery too (Mark 10:11-12).
And perhaps the toughest commandment of all to keep–Do Not Worry. It’s in Matthew chapter 6. Do you never, ever worry…about anything?
That’s just a short list of the many commandments that are in the Bible. Do you really think it is possible to keep them ALL, especially if you don’t have list to refer to so you can check yourself? Heaven is going to be a very empty place if it is only populated by those who have kept ALL of God’s commands.
I’m thankful for God’s grace that saves me despite my failure at keeping ALL of His commands. I wish you could know that kind of grace also.
By: genny on November 18, 2009
at 3:23 pm
My son is in the COG, so I am glad to be reminded by your last paragraph, of God’s grace. He thinks he is going to heaven because he is following the teachings of the COG, (mainly tithing and going to church on Tuesdays and 12 hours Saturdays) Yet thinks it is fine to treat family members badly if we will not be church members.
And it does say in the Bible that you cannot divorce, but if you are divorced by a “non-believer” then you can remarry without committing adultery. So, if a man makes his wife miserable enough by focusing only on the COG and their teachings 24-7, and basically abandoning her physically and emotionally, then his wife might leave him and he could remarry. Probably a girl the church finds more appropriate for their purposes. How convenient for them.
By: MountainMom on November 18, 2009
at 11:21 pm
Hi MountainMom. I have heard other stories about divorce and remarriage in the WMSCOG, just like you say–divorcing an unbelieving spouse in order to marry a believer.
It’s funny, though, how they can justify that since they must obey ALL of God’s commands. 1 Cor. chapter 7 talks a lot about marriage and says that if an unbelieving spouse insists on divorce, then the believing spouse is OK to let it happen. But I don’t see how it allows for remarriage without it being technically considered adultery. Mark 10:11-12 makes it quite clear that any remarriage after divorce is called adultery.
Please don’t think that I am speaking against remarriage. I am very close with three couples who are strong Christians, and yet in their second marriages. Knowing their situations, their faith in God, and the extent of God’s wonderful forgiveness and grace, I would find it hard to believe that God would deny them salvation because of this issue.
But I am trying to point out that for all the WMSCOG talk of obeying ALL God’s commands so that God will let you into His kingdom… they contradict themselves with this.
By: genny on November 19, 2009
at 6:19 am
Hello. I am part of the group Cult Watch – Ahnsahnghong. We have seen how the COGWMS has attacked all the sites that talk against their church or against their leaders. For that reason, even though there is a lot of information in the net, we are trying to compile it and organize it. If you have any information about this church, good or bad, you can email it to us to ahnsahnghongcultwatch@gmail.com or join the forum http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum . Thanks for your help.
By: Rick on November 20, 2009
at 6:34 am
Correction genny..
They contradict themselves with everything :)
Just thought I’d stop by and see how this blog is going.
By: ben on November 20, 2009
at 9:59 am
Genny, thank you for the response. I am interested in the COG’s take on divorce, etc., because my son has recently married, and his wife is adamantly opposed to the church. In the month after their marriage, there was a three week period where my son was required to go to a “Fest” and then other activities which kept him there an unbelievable amount of time, more than he had ever been there before. He was going to 5 AM services, services after work, and then all day Saturday (till 9PM) for this three week period. The church is an hour drive away from his home, so he had to leave at 3:30 in the morning to get there, and got only about 4 hours or less of sleep per night, since he had to be there till 9 or so at night too. He was sleep deprived, exhausted, and spent no time with anyone but church members. It was during this time that he said, “Everything changed” and he decided to tithe, to go to Korea to see the “Mother” etc. He began going door to door evangelizing with his church friends, etc.
From looking up how people are brainwashed, it appears a classic example. Sleep deprivation is a method commonly used. He was kept away from his wife. He was even asked to go to a church friend’s house after services on Saturday, which ended at 9PM. They seemed to do everything to keep him away from her influence. In brainwashing, isolation is also method used, and they appear to use it well.
I feel especially bad for my daughter in law, whom he pressures unrelentingly to attend church with him. I am positive the church people know they are causing trouble in his marriage and with his family. They truly don’t care. My daughter in law will never go to that church, she says it makes her physically ill to be there.
This is a nightmare. I am glad to have a connection with some people, at least on this site, who have gone through this type of thing with this family destroying church (if you can even call it that).
On top of it all, my son has been on anti depressants for a few years. All of this turmoil has been absolutely the worst thing possible for his mental state. I think he is on the verge of a mental breakdown. They do tend to prey on people who may be very smart, but struggling emotionally. I know that he has mentioned killing himself because none of his family is in agreement with the church. We are very careful how we talk to him, and emphasize we love him and always will even though we cannot agree with that “church”. I hope he survives this
By: MountainMom on November 21, 2009
at 4:36 am
My son is escalating behaviors that are emotionally and physically abusive to get my daughter-in-law to join him in the church. He threw her Bible off their balcony because he said it contained only “lies”. I didn’t think anyone could take the light out of the eyes of someone like this girl, but he has managed to do it through his association with this church. She says she doesn’t know him anymore, and I don’t either. She loved him so very much, and she keeps hoping that when “The Mother” passes on and the world doesn’t end, he will come back to normal. I don’t think so. I think they will come up with a phony excuse as to why it didn’t happen as they said. That has been my experience with them so far. I know there has to be other people out there that have had this type of thing happen. Please, someone, tell me a success story about getting their loved one out of there.
By: MountainMom on November 23, 2009
at 11:10 pm
My heart goes out to you and your daughter in law MountainMom. I’m sorry that I am not able to help you in any way, except to advise you to pray for your son and approach the authorities for assistance.
What they are doing is pretty much like what the Scientologists do. Perhaps you can report it as a case of emotional and verbal abuse. If you can show that the activities of that pseudo-religion are the cause, the authorities might be able to file a legal order for him to cease going there.
I suggest that you do a search to find any sites that are against the CoGWMS and try to connect with people there. The church is extremely good at using lawyers to intimidate and take down anti-COGWMS websites and information, so these sites will probably be more hidden. In this way, they are exactly like scientology.
Don’t lose hope.
By: Jamie on November 24, 2009
at 8:45 am
Hi Ben, hope you’ve been well.
MountainMom, I’m so sorry to hear about your situation. I’m curious about whether he joined the church before or after getting married.
I’ve had to become careful in talking with my sister also. It’s been months now since we’ve talked about about her church at all. On the plus side, it’s really cut down on the stress. But on the other hand, faith is a huge part of my life and not being able to share that with her any more is sad. I still tell her about my own Bible studies and how God is working in my life and what’s going on at my church (which she used to go to when she lived here)–things we don’t need to argue about. But she doesn’t share with me in the same way. So things are less stressful but more superficial.
There was a forum about the WMSCOG with posts from several people who had left the church (if that’s any encouragement), but it’s been taken down. BUT I see that a new one is getting organized here: http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/
I hope it will become a good place to get and share information.
I’ll pray for you MountainMom, along with the others who have been so affected by the WMSCOG.
By: genny on November 24, 2009
at 3:41 pm
By: XXX on August 15, 2007
at 4:56 am
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Nothing more than worshiping a FAKE GOD. Nothing more than a typical CULT. Fake as Jim Jones and Moon, Sung Yung (also a Korean Jesus LO fucking L) xerox copy. Fucking Koreans got some motherfuckin nerve comin here to the United States of America, who grants them their very existence, talkin bout Jesus was a Budhist that had multiple bitches, multiple kids, that was Baptized in a Cult (SDA) and predicted the Second coming of the real Jesus 3 times, IS JESUS. You got to be a stupid motherfucker believing that shit. Sorry motherfuckers brainwashing poor welfare mothers, Trailor Trash and college kids away from home for the first time. Taking their much needed money and shipping out of this country Tax Fuckin Free to the queen fucking Whore back in Korea. Ain’t that some shit.
By: RockBooty on November 24, 2009
at 4:29 pm
“Mother” is Korean Jesus’s wife, but he had other wives and kids. Mother is real understanding I gotta say. Think about what her mind set had to be to watch her man tag up on chicks he created. That’s heavy huh ? Any chick he married is a result of his handy-work if he’s God right ? Talk about all in the family. I know what mine would look like if I could make me one. Peace.
By: RockBooty on November 24, 2009
at 4:47 pm
MountainMom,
I am so sorry for what you and your daughter-in-law have to go through. I will definitely be praying for you both and for your son. I am some what in a similar situation. My boyfriend is in the church and he actually got me to visit his church one time without knowing anything about them. I will certainly say that was one of the most uncomfortable and overwhelming experiences of my life especially since my boyfriend is so deep into this church. And it hurt when he was telling me over that I’m being deceived and telling me that I’ve been growing up to lies and that he’s right and I am SO wrong. He just kept on saying these things that hurt so bad. We just eventually got to the point that we don’t talk about it at all and are, I guess, waiting to see what happens. Personally, I’m waiting for the world to NOT come to an end in the next few years and for the death of “Mother”. But like you said, they probably will come up with some excuse. They’ll most likely say that that was to fulfill a prophecy.
Right now, all we can do is pray. That is the most powerful weapon we have at this point.
God Bless You MountainMom.
–BTW: Where did all the COG people go?
By: Emilyn on November 24, 2009
at 5:04 pm
I agree–they’ve probably already got an excuse lined up for when “Mother” dies and they are all left here instead of being taken to heaven with her as “prophesied.”
That was one of the last things my sister and I talked about in regards to the church. She and I are clear on the fact that according to the WMSCOG Mother will NOT die but take the “sealed” with her directly to heaven. And should she die and they are left here, then that would mean that she was NOT god and that the whole thing is false. And that NO EXCUSE should be accepted for why they have failed to all go to heaven with “Mother”, because she will have already proven herself as a false prophet. And she agreed to all of that, of course feeling sure that “Mother” will prove herself true.
I pray my sister remembers that conversation when the time comes.
By: genny on November 25, 2009
at 2:42 pm
God bless you all. I would like to share about Thanksgiving. Why? It’s because:
Ezekiel 33:7-9
7 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself.
You can either accept or reject the truth about Thanksgiving, but you have been warned. If you have any questions, please visit your nearest Church of God Zion or give me your contact so I could give you directions to the closes Zion to you, or even have our Gospel workers visit you.
Thanksgiving Day is a feast that most Protestants celebrate every November; however, the Church of God does not keep Thanksgiving Day. In fact, the Church only observes God’s feasts, in accordance with the teachings of the Bible.
In 1620, more than a hundred Puritans boarded the Mayflower and left England for a New World: America. The following year, they cultivated the American soil and harvested bountiful crops. They had much to be thankful for and decided to hold a commemorative feast. This is the origin of Thanksgiving Day. George Washington, the first American president, suggested that November 26th be appointed as Thanksgiving Day. Then, in 1863, as the long and bloody Civil War came to an end, Abraham Lincoln asked all Americans to set aside the last Thursday in November as a day of thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving Day is one of the largest national festivals celebrated in America, but it is not a religious feast. During Thanksgiving time, most companies grant their employees long vacations.
Thus, it is acceptable that Americans have a pleasant time during this national festival, but it is blatantly incorrect to assume that Thanksgiving Day was appointed as a feast by God.
Moreover, it is blasphemy to teach that Thanksgiving Day originated from the Day of Firstfruits—Resurrection Day in the New Testament—or from the Feast of Tabernacles, both of which are God’s feasts. God has never commanded us to celebrate Thanksgiving Day.
The Church of God only keeps the feasts that the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong commanded us to keep, the feasts described in the Bible.
First, let us find out whether or not Thanksgiving Day is related to the Day of Firstfruits.
God appointed seven different feasts to commemorate the work of Moses, spanning from the time when he came out of Egypt with the Israelites, to his crossing the Red Sea and receiving the Ten Commandments, until the time of his gathering materials to build the tabernacle. Moses’ work was a shadow of Christ’s work, from the time when Christ led His people out of the sinful world, until the time He would gather the materials to build the heavenly temple.
The Day of Firstfruits is the third feast of the seven, appointed in springtime—the season when barley and wheat ripen. It commemorated Moses’ crossing the Red Sea with the Israelites. On the day after the Sabbath, following the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the priest waved a sheaf of the first grain before God. This symbolically represented Jesus Christ’s resurrection as the firstfruits among the dead.
Lev 23:10-14 『Speak to the Israelites and say to them: “When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath…You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God (on the Day of Firstfruits). This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.”』
The Israelites couldn’t eat the new grains until they presented the wave offering of a sheaf of the first grain to God on the Day of Firstfruits. This prophecy revealed that no one could resurrect until Jesus had first risen from the dead.
1 Cor. 15:20-24 『But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep [physically died]…But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits…』
Jesus resurrected as the firstfruits among the dead, the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecy concerning the Day of Firstfruits. In the Old Testament times, the Israelites kept the Day of Firstfruits on the day after the Sabbath, following the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This was fulfilled by Jesus Christ’s resurrection on Sunday —the day after the Sabbath, following the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Mark 16:9 『When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week…』
Jesus’ resurrection was prophesied during the time of Moses, and the exact day of His resurrection—the day after the Sabbath—was even appointed.
Now, in the New Testament times, should we still commemorate the Old Testament’s Day of Firstfruits? We should commemorate Jesus’ resurrection instead. If there is anyone who keeps Thanksgiving Day, trying to draw a connection between Thanksgiving Day and the Day of Firstfruits, then he is still within the parameters of the Old Testament. Jesus established the new covenant, so if we try to follow the regulations of the old covenant, it is as if we are rebelling against Jesus and crucifying Him once more, isn’t it?
Let us study if there is any relationship between the Feast of Tabernacles and Thanksgiving Day.
The Feast of Tabernacles was appointed when Moses and the Israelites were in the desert. The Feast was to commemorate the Israelites’ gathering the materials to build the tabernacle. It was kept in the seventh month, from the 15th to the 22nd, according to the sacred calendar. Using the solar calendar, the feast falls in September or October.
God commanded Moses and his people to build a sanctuary according to the pattern of the heavenly sanctuary, shown to Moses on Mount Sinai. The people were moved by the Holy Spirit and willingly offered materials—gold, silver, linen, and cotton—to help build the tabernacle. Eventually, Moses ordered that they didn’t have to bring any more offerings (Ex. 35:4-36:7). To commemorate the Israelites’ building the tabernacle, God appointed the Feast of Tabernacles, also referred to as the feast of booths. The Israelites built booths in the inner and outer courts of the temple and rejoiced for a week (Lev. 23:34-36).
This feast fell during the season in which all of the grains were harvested. Thus, the Feast of Tabernacles was also called the Feast of Ingathering (Ex. 34:22).
The book of Hebrews reveals that the earthly sanctuary, built by Moses, was a copy and a shadow of the heavenly sanctuary to be built by Jesus Christ.
Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary (on the earth) that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”』
In the time of Moses, materials were gathered for the building of the sanctuary. These materials symbolized God’s people, who are described as the “materials” for the heavenly sanctuary to be gathered in the New Testament times.
Eph. 2:20-22 『…with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.』
Rev. 3:12 『”Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God…”』
In the time of Moses, the Israelites gathered materials for seven days and built the tabernacle. In the Old Testament times, the Israelites ceremonially constructed booths of grass or trees and joyfully stayed within them for seven days. These are both prophecies disclosing that the 144,000 saints—who are described as “wood” (Jer. 5:14) and as the materials of the temple (Eph. 2:20-21)—will be gathered. As they are gathered, the earthly gospel work will be completed.
Jesus also showed us an example of preaching during the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:14, 37).
As stated above, the Feast of Firstfruits and the Feast of Tabernacles were a shadow, revealing how Jesus would resurrect and how the 144,000—the materials of the heavenly temple—would be gathered in the New Testament times. Thus, it is very difficult for Christians to understand why people celebrate the American-made Thanksgiving Day, claiming that it is related to the Feast of Firstfruits or to the Feast of Tabernacles.
In the New Testament times, the Feast of Firstfruits was fulfilled on Resurrection Day. On Resurrection Day we commemorate Jesus’ resurrection and we are reminded of God’s promise to change and to resurrect the saints living in the last days. The Feast of Tabernacles was fulfilled by the Preaching Week of the New Testament times, during which we preach the gospel to find the materials—the saints who are to be saved—for the heavenly temple.
Thanksgiving Day is an American festival, not a Christian feast. It is undoubtedly a man-made custom. A long time ago, Jeroboam, king of Israel, constructed golden calves to prevent his people from going to Jerusalem to keep the feasts of God. He said, “Here are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt,” and instituted a feast on the fifteenth day of the eighth month similar to the festival held in Judah. The Bible says that Jeroboam’s actions were viewed as sinful in the eyes of God (1 Kin. 12:25-33). Jesus also spoke concerning this kind of people.
Mark 7:6-8 『He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”』
Many people do not know the prophecies of the Feast of Firstfruits and the Feast of Tabernacles, or how these feasts were fulfilled. Most continue to follow and to proclaim incorrect teachings. They even shout, “Amen!” when these false doctrines are taught. We hope that, under God’s grace, they can realize the true decrees and laws of God.
The Bible says, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children” (Hos. 4:6). This is a warning to those who neglect God’s commands and who follow only the commands of men.
Hebrews chapter nine reads, “Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary” (Heb. 9:1). This verse implies that the second covenant [the new covenant] had regulations for worship and for a heavenly sanctuary. Which covenant is more important? No one denies that the regulations of the new covenant are more important. The feasts and the regulations for worshiping God in the earthly sanctuary are merely a shadow whose reality is the feasts of the new covenant and the heavenly sanctuary, disclosed in the New Testament times.
Only God’s people regard the regulations of the new covenant as precious. We pray that many souls will abandon the rules of men, will come to accept the regulations of the new covenant, and thus, will come to truly worship God.
By: Poland on November 27, 2009
at 1:25 am
Poland, either you or your source (if that was another cut-and-paste) seem to have a problem with either your knowledge of the Thanksgiving holiday, or your assumptions about it.
You said, “it is blatantly incorrect to assume that Thanksgiving Day was appointed as a feast by God. Moreover, it is blasphemy to teach that Thanksgiving Day originated from the Day of Firstfruits—Resurrection Day in the New Testament—or from the Feast of Tabernacles, both of which are God’s feasts. God has never commanded us to celebrate Thanksgiving Day.”
Does ANYBODY teach that Thanksgiving was a day *appointed by God* or that is the same as the Day of Firstfruits?!? You make it sound like that is a teaching of mainstream Christian churches, but it is NOT. Neither is it a “Rule of Men” in that you MUST celebrate Thanksgiving Day or else you’re in trouble.
There are two types of special days that we can celebrate–those instituted by God to bless His people (like the Feasts of Israel and their fulfillment through Jesus), and those instituted by people to bless God as a remembrance for what He has done (like Purim in the book of Esther, and also anniversaries and birthdays).
I have not seen anywhere in the Bible where God is displeased with people setting aside a special day to remember His goodness towards them. But the book of Psalms is full of songs of remembrance of the good things God has done. Try Psalm 30, for one. Here’s verses 1-3:
“I will exalt you, O LORD,
for you lifted me out of the depths
and did not let my enemies gloat over me.
O LORD my God, I called to you for help
and you healed me.
O LORD, you brought me up from the grave;
you spared me from going down into the pit.”
Does the WMSCOG observe birthdays, wedding anniversaries, Independence Day, Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, Memorial Day, New Year’s Day, Veteran’s Day, Labor Day…?
As far as I’ve studied, NONE of those are days that God commanded us to celebrate annually. If there is a Scripture that tells me to celebrate my wedding anniversary every year, then point me to it. I haven’t seen it (celebrate a wedding, yes…and anniversary, no). Yet every year I remember and celebrate my wedding anniversary. Guess I’m following what you’d call a “rule of men” in that?
A person’s heartfelt exression of thanks, appreciation, remembrance and praise to God can take many forms. The WMSCOG seems to call that expression a deplorable “rule of men” if it’s not in a form expressly commanded by God in the Bible. But I think God calls it praise, Psalm 103.
“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.” — Gal. 5:1
PS–I wish not for us to keep “biting and devouring each other” (Gal. 5:15), but as long as the WMSCOG continues to deceive people into glorifying an ordinary man and woman as Gods, I will continue to fight for my sister…until either they somehow prove themselves true or God Himself proves them false (which will be the moment “Mother” dies and leaves them all behind).
By: genny on November 29, 2009
at 3:23 pm
God bless you all.
Ezekiel 33:7-9
7 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself.
Christmas is a popular festival which is celebrated throughout the world. When the Christmas season arrives, in December, everyone gets into the festive spirit. Most people are under the impression that Christmas is Jesus’ birthday, the day when He came into the world to give blessings and eternal hope to mankind; however, the Church of God—believing in the Second Coming Christ—does not celebrate Christmas, because it is not the birthday of Jesus. In fact, within Christmas is hidden a deceitful trick of Satan.
The devil has tricked many people into worshiping the sun god by allowing them to fall into the illusion that they are sincerely worshiping God in the proper way. Actually, Christmas is a festival to the sun god, Baal, and thus, those who keep the festival are rebelling against God. Satan has deceived people into mistaking Christmas for the birthday of Jesus, and by this cunning deception, Satan has come to be unwittingly served by all the people of the world. Many people try to justify themselves, saying, “We celebrate Christmas because it is the birthday of Jesus.” However, Christmas—December 25th—is the birthday of the sun god, Nimrod, who was the first model of the Antichrist.
Christmas originated in the festival of Saturnalia, and is a subtle scheme—devised by Satan—to destroy our souls. Satan always tries to turn us away from the way that God has commanded us to follow: “You shall have no other gods before me,” “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.” Today, Satan is prowling around, like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. In order to resist him, we should be alert, standing firm in our faith. In today’s world, lies are prevalent—and most consider these lies to be the truth—because this generation does not hesitate in following the ways that are against God.
We need to be able to discern the truth from all of the falsehood. By examining numerous sources of evidence, we can clearly understand that December 25th was not the birthday of Jesus, but the birthday of the sun god. Now, let’s look carefully at various materials which testify that the date of Jesus’ birth was not December 25th, and that this date was the birthday of the sun god, as it had been celebrated in ancient Rome. Even though all of the people living in this age believe that lies and falsehood are the truth, we are the ones who must restore the truth.
Christian history testifies that Christmas originated in pagan customs—from those who worshiped idols—and that it was not until much later that the festival became “Christianized.”
■ HISTORY OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH
by Philip Schaff, Hendrickson Publishers, pp. 396-397.
“The Christmas festival was probably the Christian transformation or regeneration of a series of kindred heathen festivals—the Saturnalia, Sigillaria, Juvenalia, and Brumalia—which were kept in Rome in the month of December, in commemoration of the golden age of universal freedom and equality, and in honor of the unconquered sun, and which were great holidays, especially for slaves and children. This connection accounts for many custom of the Christmas season, like the giving of presents to children and to the poor, the lighting of wax tapers, perhaps also the erection of Christmas trees…Finally, the church fathers themselves confirm the symbolical reference of the feast of the birth of Christ, the Sun of righteousness, the Light of the world, to the birth-festival of the unconquered sun, which on the twenty-fifth of December, after the winter solstice, breaks the growing power of darkness, and begins anew his heroic career.”
■ THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY A Lion Handbook, p. 141.
“The Christian church took over many pagan ideas and images. From sun-worship, for example, came the celebration of Christ’s birth on the twenty-fifth of December, the birthday of the Sun.”
■ A BRIEF HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY by Bamber Gascoigne, Robinson, p. 16.
“In 274 Aurelian believed that the sun-god had brought him victory in Syria. He set up a state cult to Sol Invictus, the unconquered sun: and announced that the birthday of the sun, a day of special festivity, was December 25th. The sun’s halo, as well as the date of his birthday, would later be borrowed by Christianity.”
Judging by historical evidence, we can easily conclude that there is no relationship between Christmas and Jesus’ birth. Christmas is merely a Roman festival—for the sun god—that was Christianized later.
Dictionaries and newspapers also testify that December 25th was not the birthday of Jesus, but of the sun god.
■ Encyclopedia BRITANNICA, p. 704.
“Christmas/December 25 was the date of a pagan festival in Rome, chosen in A.D. 274 by the emperor Aurelian as the birthday of the unconquered sun (natalis solis invicti), which at the winter solstice begins again to show an increase of light. At some point before A.D. 336 the church at Rome established the commemoration of the birthday of Christ, the sun of righteousness, on this same date.”
■ Encyclopedia AMERICANA, p. 666.
“This date [December 25] was not set in the West until about the middle of the 4th century and in the East until about a century later…The reason for establishing December 25 as Christmas is somewhat obscure, but it is usually held that the day was chosen to correspond to pagan festivals that took place around the time of the winter solstice, when the days begin to lengthen, to celebrate the “rebirth of the sun.” Northern European tribes celebrate their chief festival of Yule at the winter solstice to commemorate the rebirth of the sun as the giver of light and warmth. The Roman Saturnalia (a festival dedicated to Saturn, the god of agriculture, and to the renewed power of the sun), also took place at this time and some Christmas customs are thought to be rooted in this ancient pagan celebration.”
■ “TODAY” (a newspaper published in Singapore) Tuesday, December 21, 2004
“Two thousand years ago, this [Christmas] was the very kind of celebration that alarmed the early Christian Church, which was disgusted with the cheer and merriment that marked the pagan festivals of their new converts. At first, the Church forbade this kind of celebration. But it was to no avail….The 25th was not only sacred to the Romans, but also to the Persians—whose religion, Mithraism, was one of Christianity’s main rivals then. The Church was successful eventually in taking the merriment, lights and gifts from the pagan festival and bringing them to the celebration of Christmas. The history of celebrating the end of the year or of a cycle dates back to more than 4,000 years. Many of the Christmas traditions were celebrated centuries before Jesus Christ was born…As the winter solstice approached, with its long cold nights and short days, many people feared the sun would not return. Special rituals and celebrations were held to welcome back the sun…”
And in a book entitled World Government and 666 it is written that the birthday of Nimrod—the first model of the Antichrist, historically—was celebrated on the 25th of December as the Roman festival, Saturnalia.
The Franklin Institute, in America, also researched this subject, concluding that Jesus Christ was born in March or April. While at a midnight mass on Christmas Eve, in Korea’s Myongdong Cathedral, a reporter asked a Catholic reverend about the origin of Christmas. The reverend replied by quoting historical evidence, “This day [Christmas] originated with the custom of pagans who worshiped the sun god.” In spite of such reports, many people do not realize if they are worshiping God or the sun god, because they have been deceived by Satan and have become spiritually deaf and blind.
Ezek. 8:14-18 『Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning for Tammuz. He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.” He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the LORD, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east. He said to me, “Have you seen this, son of man? Is it a trivial matter for the house of Judah to do the detestable things they are doing here? Must they also fill the land with violence and continually provoke me to anger? Look at them putting the branch to their nose! Therefore I will deal with them in anger; I will not look on them with pity or spare them. Although they shout in my ears, I will not listen to them.”』
Who will care if an unbeliever worships the sun god, or even the old wood god? However, if a Christian worships the sun god, rejecting God’s command—”You shall have no other gods before me,” and, “You shall not worship idols”—it is detestable to God, isn’t it? The Bible says that such abominable acts are committed “between the portico and the altar.” Isn’t the chapel what lies between the portico and the altar? People worship the sun god within the very churches that have been established for worshiping God. How abominable!
Satan has ingeniously set a snare, and his trickery is nearly unnoticeable. If sun-worship could be recognized at a glance, who would go to such a church, looking to find God? In order to deceive many people, Satan hid sun-worship within church doctrine. Sunday service and Christmas are paragons of sun-worship.
As stated above, Christmas is a pagan custom which has been Christianized. Its origin is a Roman festival of sun god worship, a slice of spiritual adultery, mixing truth with falsehood.
Sunday service, a worldwide tradition, is another church doctrine tied to sun-worship. Sunday is “the day of the sun,” on which the Romans worshiped the sun god. Constantine, a Roman emperor, instituted Sunday as the day of rest and worship in 321 A.D., as follows:
“All judges, city-people and craftsmen shall rest on the venerable day of the Sun. But countrymen may without hindrance attend to agriculture, since it often happens that this is the most suitable day for sowing grain or planting vines, so that the opportunity afforded by divine providence may not be lost, for the right season is short.” (7 March 321)
1) Considering the fact that Constantine called Sunday “the venerable day of the Sun,” Sunday must be the day to worship the sun god. In the Bible, there is not a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday.
In regard to this, Christian history testifies:
“The first day of the week was proclaimed as a day of rest and worship, and its observance soon became general throughout the empire. In 321 A.D. Constantine forbade the courts to be held on Sunday, except for the purpose of giving freedom to slaves; and on that day soldiers were commanded to omit their daily military exercises. But the public games were continued on Sunday, tending to make it more a holiday than a holy-day.” (The Story of the Christian Church by Jesse Lyman Hurlbut, pp. 60-61.)
2) Daniel already prophesied, in a revelation, that Satan would speak against God and would try to change God’s set times and laws.
Dan. 7:25 『He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.』
God warns that He will bring severe punishment, without compassion, upon those who replace the laws of truth with their own rules, who rationalize false logic, and who change God’s sacred laws into those of the Romans—the sun-worshipers.
On the other hand, God said that He would put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all of the detestable things which are done, including sun-worship. When God’s judgment comes upon those who have worshiped the sun god—even though they have professed that they believe in God—this mark will bring redemption to God’s true people.
Ezek. 9:4-6 『…”Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.』
Isa. 9:13-16 『But the people have not returned to him who struck them, nor have they sought the LORD Almighty. So the LORD will cut off from Israel both head and tail, both palm branch and reed in a single day; the elders and prominent men are the head, the prophets who teach lies are the tail. Those who guide this people mislead them, and those who are guided are led by astray.』
As stated above, Sunday service and Christmas—December 25th—are the weapons Satan uses to resist God. By sending many false prophets, Satan has taken many souls captive under hollow and deceptive philosophies. What does not come from the Bible cannot be considered God’s teaching, even if it seems extremely plausible. The preachers, who teach a different gospel, and their followers will be punished.
Now, the time of God’s Judgment is near. All of us must follow God’s teachings, the truth which will lead us to eternal life in heaven, and we must turn away from Satan’s deception of Sunday service and Christmas.
Luke 6:46 『”Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?”』
Keeping Christ’s words in our minds, we shall be God’s faithful people who will follow the truth and will obey only what God has commanded.
Mark 7:6-9
6He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 7They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” 9And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
By: Poland on November 29, 2009
at 4:25 pm
Thanks to Genny, Ben, Jamie, Emilyn, and the others on this site who put up such great posts and give me hope. I love my son so much, and always will, but I have been devastated at the thought of him, not only being in this cult, but also recruiting others to this destructive experience. Misleading others to worship false idols, and turning them subtly away from the real God and the real Jesus is no small thing. Even if he does wake up and see the destruction this cult has brought onto him, I don’t see that he will instantly be better. I see the possibility of him being so angry at them and so much more depressed than before that I can only hope he doesn’t do anything violent. I think he will possibly face years of therapy or commit suicide. That really is my fear. They truly prey on people who are down and out.
One positive thing I can say is that my daughter came home for Thanksgiving, and we went to church and prayed together. She had told her brother that he should not try to change her,(with his preachings) that only God can change your heart. I believe that too, and I am waiting for God’s help with this situation. It will come. I have faith.
By: MountainMom on December 1, 2009
at 6:56 am
MountainMom said:
“I love my son so much, and always will, but I have been devastated at the thought of him, not only being in this cult, but also recruiting others to this destructive experience.”
“Even if he does wake up and see the destruction this cult has brought onto him, I don’t see that he will instantly be better.”
If the Church of God is a Cult! Then Christianity itself is a cult
1) Cults Claim to Have all Knowing leadership:
John 21:17 {the third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.}
2) Cults only teach you up to what you are able to believe:
Hebrews 5:11 {We much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.}
3) Cults claim no room for differences (Everybody is the same):
Colossians 3:11 {Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.}
4) Cults claim to introduce a new and better way:
Hebrews 7:18-19 {the former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.}
5) Cult members should imitate cult leader:
Philippians 2:5 {your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus}
Also Colossians 3:11 of example 3.
6) Cults isolate you from your family:
Matthew 10:37 {anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me}
7) Cults Brainwash ignorant and people who have no critical thinking.
Acts 4:13 {when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.}
8) Cults Recruit people:
Mk 16:15-16 {He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned}
9) Cults always claim Persecution of the Leader:
Acts 22:6-8 {”About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.}
10) Cults have ignorant leaders:
John 7:14-16 {Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”}
11) Cults try to keep members busy:
Acts 2:46-47 {every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
12) Cult leaders always try to gain your trust:
John 14:1 {”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me}
13) Cults believe that by your actions you prove your faith:
James 2:17 {in the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, Is dead.}
14) Cults claim salvation is through obedience before the end comes:
Matthew 24:42 {“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.}
15) Cults make members dependant to the cult leader:
John 15:5 {“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.}
16) Cults claim that there is no exit apart from the cult:
John 6:67-68 {“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.}
17) Cult members claim to have “Spiritual Battles”:
Ephesians 6:12 {for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.}
18) Cults try to keep things secret:
Matthew 17:9 {As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”}
19) Cult leaders claim to be the only way, and supreme authority:
John 14:6 {Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.}
And for the sake of space and time, I omitted the teachings of: Judaism, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Copernicus, Galileo…etc.
If we are going to judge groups and organizations by these standards, then every single organization and religion is a cult. We should not judge the Church of God by these standards, rather we should see if the teachings that the Church practices come from God or not. To label the World Mission Society Church of God as a cult is no different from when the Jewish religious leaders called the Apostles a Nazarene sect. Please don’t commit the same mistake as 2,000 years ago.
By: Poland on December 1, 2009
at 9:33 am
Let’s be honest – perhaps you’re right. You’re probably hitting it right on the head. Truly, anything that does not follow what God’s true intentions are, but claims they are, that is a cult. Honestly, today, Judaism is a cult because it doesn’t take heed to the fulfillment of it’s religion, the Messiah. Christianity is a cult in many ways because it’s own “believers” do not follow the scripture in context and twist scripture for their own sake. This goes along with Mormons, Jehovah’s Witness, Church of God, even Catholicism and Pentecostals. All of these places are not completely doing God’s will for their lives, because they think that a verse means this or that. Tongues are okay for all to pentecostals – no they are not. Tongues are certainly a gift to some by the Holy Spirit, but not to all people baptized in the Spirit. Catholics tend to believe if they go to confessional everything will be alright. No it won’t – true repentance isn’t only by confession, it’s by acting upon the repentance, trying to change because you know the Lord’s will and wish to serve Him out of your love. Church of God? They use only a limited amount of scripture to back up what they want to say toward the “heavenly mother”. I was witnessed to by a Church of God member. He spent 6 hours speaking to me about Jesus and His secrets, that He has a new name. I was told about the new name, Ahn Sang Hong. I asked where Ahn Sang Hong is, and how he is foretold in the Bible.. I got no answers but a circle back to the same scriptures we had just been over. I’m still trying to figure the whole story out on watv.org but to no avail – there is no evidence online anywhere! I could learn more about Jesus in 6 minutes than of Ahn Sang Hong in 6 hours. The use of scripture is twisted and backwards.
I judge these things because I study the Bible daily and pray to my Lord and my God to reveal to me His truth, and only His truth. Why would God give me verses that authenticate everything I say about something my Ahn Sang Hong friend told me? Why would I be led blindly? God speaks to me, it’s a 2-way relationship. I ask, He gives me the wisdom and words. I thank Him, He blesses it. And He sends me out to get verbally persecuted by people who don’t believe the Bible in context.. :)
By: Pierce on January 9, 2010
at 10:01 am
MountainMom,
You’re welcome and thank you for your posts also. You too have given me hope. God bless you and your family.
to Poland,
You are basically saying the same things over and over and I’ve seen these same arguments over and over again. All I’m reading is “blah blah blah blah” and pass right over it.
You keep saying that if you preach to those who wont listen and they die because of their sins, you are not accountable for their blood but we are asking the questions so that we will understand but you are not answering them. Is that the same as not preaching to us and you are being accountable for our blood?
You are still refusing to answer our questions and I’m sure you have read my posts to MountainMom and hers back to me and genny. So what will happen if mother j does pass and does not bring those sealed with her and there is no destruction? Will you think for yourself or listen to your deacons and deaconesses?
God bless
By: Emilyn on December 1, 2009
at 10:44 am
God bless you Emilyn. If you have further questions, please send it here:
http://text.watv.org/english/qna/write.html
You may also visit your nearest Zion or if you don’t know then you can ask them so they can give you the address of the closest Zion to you. If there’s none, they will visit you at your house.
By: Poland on December 1, 2009
at 11:24 pm
Poland,
Why can’t you answer our questions here? Why do we have to send our questions to the church website when we can ask church members here in this blog?
By: Emilyn on December 2, 2009
at 6:57 am
Poland, Emilyn is right. You are just avoiding the questions. If “Mother” passes away and doesn’t take her “children” and the destruction does not occur, then is it over? Or will there be some kind of thing AGAIN where COG members will say that AGAIN mercy was given to put it off? I’ve been to your “ZION”. They had no good answers to anything. Just talked in circles like you do.
By: MountainMom on December 2, 2009
at 7:01 am
By the way, my son and his wife talked Thursday about him limiting his church contributions, agreeing that the amount of money he was giving at this time was unreasonable. Since he is making a considerable amount of money, yet doesn’t have five dollars in his pocket at the end of the month, his wife said it was reasonable to track where it was going, and he agreed. This was a big step forward, as he has been secretive about his finances. (They have the same job, so she pretty much knows that he has good income) Everything was fine till he went back to church on Saturday. Then all of a sudden she could see that he was all messed up again, and asking her why she wanted to spend and control his money, etc. (She has her own job and money and does not spend ANY of his) Very obviously, as soon as he talked about not giving the outrageous amount he had originally thought he would give, all heck broke loose at the church, and he was a mess again on Sunday. His wife isn’t adverse to giving money to charity, good causes, etc., and would willingly join in giving to the needy. She told him this. But she doesn’t want his money going to this destructive cult that worships false idols. All of a sudden on Sunday lots of texts and calls were coming from the cult people he knows, and he was very upset. It is very obvioius that the money is what they are concerned about. Certainly not his mental state, marriage, or well-being.
I told him several weekds ago that he should withdraw most monetary support from the “church” and instead give the same amount to the sick, homeless, needy, of Chicago instead. When they ask, say, “God knows what good things I am doing with it, so you don’t really have to know.” And certainly, God would know, and it is no business of theirs in that cult. I told him to then watch how unconditional their love is for him. I believe this is what is happening right now. I hope he can see how they truly operate.
By: MountainMom on December 3, 2009
at 4:24 am
My son did tell them last Saturday that he had to cut down o the money he gave, as he and his wife had agreed. On Thursday the Korean pastor, “Jacob” got him to meet with him, and explained tithing in detail, and now my son is telling his wife he HAS to give at least $650 per month, and she HAS to release him from his promise to stay to a lesser amount that they agreed upon. He told her she should take her money and pay for all kinds of his necessities, rent, tires, school loans, etc., so that he can give this amount. It is absolutely insane and outrageous. He told her he will “make” it happen by getting rid of the TV, selling possessions, whatever to get it done. She said she would not release him from his promise, so he then called her “Satan.”
I am thinking of sending the hierarchy of this church a registered letter, naming each one of them, and letting them know that it is obvious they are taking advantage of my son who has been on depression medications for at least five years and is in a vulnerable state. They could not then deny they knew of his mental state or deny monetary damages when he loses his job, which he is soon to do if he keeps on this manic track, as he is evangelizing at work too, and they know it. I believe they could also be liable for any damage he does to himself or others, because he IS NOT mentally well at this point. He was doing fine untill they stepped in to his life, and they are applying so much pressure to him both physically and emotionally that there HAS to be some recourse here. They are listed as a corporation under tax law right now, as I have heard, not a church, so there should be some legal repercussions for damages that would be applicable. I believe they have taken him for an incredible amount of money already. Where is it going? Does anyone out there know what happens to the money they STEAL by deception?
By: MountainMom on December 5, 2009
at 4:42 am
MountainMom, I’m sorry things are so difficult with your son. A letter to the pastor of his church…that sounds like a reasonable idea to me. If you do write it, be sure to send it return receipt or something so have proof they got it.
As for tithes and offerings, from my Christian perspective, it’s an important part of faith to include God in my finances–both challenging and rewarding. But beyond that, my own church stays accountable to the congregation by sharing its financial statements openly at our yearly business meeting, so I know where my money goes when I give to my church.
I’m not sure if your son’s pastor is telling him that he MUST give at least $650, or if he is laying such a guilt trip about obedience that your son now feels pressured to tithe (and that 10% turns out to be $650)….but in either case, they are forgetting this scripture:
2 Cor. 9:7 “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
Where does the money go? That’s a real good question. And your son should be interested in knowing. If it is an upright church, they should freely offer him (when he asks) a copy of their annual report. He may also be interested in reading his church’s “constitution and bylaws”. If the church has no Annual Report or Constitution and Bylaws document to share with their members, then that ought to raise some serious questions.
Now I’m curious…. Poland, Brofromzion, have you ever seen your church’s annual report? Ours gives both a summary of ministry activities for the year and details about the income and expenses of the church. And does your congregation have any kind of Constitution and Bylaws booklet that details things like steps required for membership, how deacons are chosen, how church business decisions are made, etc.?
By: genny on December 6, 2009
at 3:02 am
Genny, have you noticed that the COG members are no longer responding? Did the questions become too straightforward and difficult? I guess they always were, that is why they have to talk in circles. And, yes, if I do decide to go forward with a letter, I will send it as a registered letter. They must sign to receive a registered letter, and there is legal proof that they have received it. You are correct in your assumption that they are guilt tripping him, putting tremendous pressure on him to give an unreasonable amount. The very day after he told them he had to cut back, as he and his wife agreed upon, there was a flurry of calls, texts, conferences, etc., from church members,with the aim of straightening my son out. Then he told his wife he was going to the library on Thursday. He said he was going to study, but admitted afterward he met the pastor there, and the pastor explained to him why he must tithe. The pastor also explained he must give $650 because, even though that is way more than 10% of his income, there are taxes, you know. So now, he wants his wife to release him from his promise to her on the amount he would give, and he is putting immense pressure on her. Her father is overseas, extremely ill, and this is a very bad time for her, yet all he can see is what the “church” is demanding from him. It is reprehensible.
I find it interesting, too, that this church who keeps saying to my son that “destruction is near” is so concerned about taxes. They told him the end is for sure by 2012, but now have moved it up to possibly 2010. But let’s maximize profit till then. Why is that so important?
True churches have tax exemption for properties and tithing, and other expenses. This one doesn’t have tax exemption because it has been listed as a CORPORATION. What is the bottom line for corporations? Not saving souls, I know that! For tax purposes it is listed as 099, the code for “activities unknown.” Does this cry out SHADY or what?
By: MountainMom on December 6, 2009
at 7:29 pm
They are pressuring him to give more than 10% because the church needs the extra to pay its taxes? Did I understand that right, MountainMom?
Does this mean also that any contributions he makes to the “church/corporation” are not tax-deductible like they would be for a regular church or charity?
And even if it’s technically a corportation, by contributing money, wouldn’t your son be a kind of shareholder? We have stock in a few companies and even though we own very little stock, we still get an annual report from each of them detailing their financial condition. I would think that your son is entitled to something like that to know what is being done with his money. What would they say if he asked them for it, I wonder?
By: genny on December 7, 2009
at 11:48 pm
Genny,you are correct. The contributions he makes are not tax-deductible because it is not a recognized church. On their website they are listed as a “company.” And no, he doesn’t even have status as a shareholder because they don’t have shares as such. They simply take his money, and he gets NOTHING. My son, if he were in his right mind, would ask to see where the money is going, but is so totally brainwashed that he wouldn’t even think of asking. In his mind, why would you ask God where money is going? It is that bad, they have him so totally blind. They stepped up the already tremendous pressure on him recently to give more and more because he and his wife had agreed to a lesser amount. Ever siince he told them he would be givng somewhat less, they have been meeting with him and instructing him on why he needs to give at least $650 per month. Since my daughter in law has refused to release him from his promise to give a substantially lesser amount, he has been absolutely horrible to her, calls her “wicked” and “selfish”, fights with her and makes her life miserable on a daily basis. He is going to lose his wife, who is a brilliant, beautiful, caring person who has loved him beyond reason for four years now. They never fought at all untill the church stepped up and took control of his mind in September of this year after three weeks of constant church time where he was getting only 4 hours of sleep per night and spending all his time there. I think the fact that he was sleep deprived and was taking medications for a health issue made him very vulnerable to mind control techniques, which they appear to be very good at. Anyway, the pastor showed up at their door yesterday, and my daughter in law had a chance to get him alone and talk to him and tell him her concerns. He is insistent that there is nothing wrong, and maybe she should just come to church with him. For crying out loud! They are so in denial, and so absolutely uncaring that they are the main factor in what appears to be a mental breakdown for my son. They are definitely a main factor in the destruction of his mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual well being, as well as his marriage, and most likely, his job, as he is evangelizing at work and people are starting to talk.
By: MountainMom on December 8, 2009
at 12:16 am
Is anyone still out there? I see that the COG people have stopped responding, but then again, what can they say when confronted with the truth of the damage they do to individuals and family? My beautiful son that I love now says “DESTRUCTION IS NEAR” even in his sleep. That is how far they have reached, even into his subconscious being. How good can that be for an already fragile mental state? He was being treated for depression, but now says he doesn’t need doctors or medication, he’s through with them. He is so stressed, depressed, and even physically ill, and yet they continue to pressure him, and have him focus on doom and gloom. He is ready to break, and I can only hope that no one is harmed when he does. I am not idle on this end, though I am thousands of miles away from him. I am praying every day, researching, and coming up with some things. I know I have to do something, but I want to do it right.
By: MountainMom on December 9, 2009
at 11:06 pm
MountainMom I’m still here, I keep track of what’s happening by email and don’t update this blog anymore.
The CoG members are all like they, they never answer you but try to drown your arguments with irrelevant verses.
Keep praying, don’t lose hope. Pray against the demonic spirits of deception and manipulation that is on the CoG. God IS mighty to save!
By: Jamie on December 10, 2009
at 7:22 am
Hello everyone. Just sharing you this blog I found. COGs have been here as well:
http://blog.jameskanka.com/2008/01/mother-god.html
By: Frank on December 10, 2009
at 5:29 pm
I was with the COG for 4 months.
I was told that husband and kids are idols and illusion. We need to set our goal in heaven.
The translation of the bible looked really convincing at the begining and I was so into it. Reading their books day and night, even didn’t look after my husband and kids as good as i was before. When I share this feeling with the female members, they said it’s okay for I will be blessed. And I said if my husband against it, I will stop or he will divorce me. But instead of comfort me they showed me something in bible like “brother against brother, daughter against mother” and told me what I only need is faith toward the gods. Since then I had alot of questions about the ASH & MJ but no answers received. I always asked about the back ground of the MJ & ASH, but they said only focus on and believe the bible. And told me that I need to have faith so that I won’t doubt or I worship the Gods in vain.
Then they wanted me to preach asap to bear fruits, therefore I questioned again that without knowing the backgroud of ASH & MJ, I can’t preach. I said as Moses and prophets were the witnesses of Jehovah, the OT also prophesies about Jesus was to come.
The Apostals were the witnesses of Jesus and we all know that Jesus back ground from his birth. Then who is the Witnesses of ASH & MJ? Only the COG knows, I insisted that if the COG can’t be the witness and can’t open their God’s background, I have to finish with them. But they avoided to answer and said “Just believe the bible, don’t need to know other things”.
After I came out from the COG, I realise “Jesus is light” because I found that I was in darkness for 4 months. Now I repented everyday to Our Lord Jesus that I couldn’t distinguish the false prophets and let them baptised me in the name of a dead man.
May God bless you all.
By: GaYuen on December 26, 2009
at 6:10 pm
GaYeun, your response here is very helpful to me. As you could probably see from my posts, my son is caught up in the COG and they have him fooled totally. They seem to discourage all questioning as “disrespectful,” or showing a lack of faith. Yet no answers come forth. I sent my son a list of 14 questions I had about the COG and “The Mother” and he first said they were good honest questions that deserved honest answers. This was a week ago, and I have not received a single answer to a single question so far. One of the questions was “where does it say in the Bible that you have to go to church on Tuesdays?” I believe the hold up on that one is that they can’t produce anything to answer it. It is obviously their own rule, and yet they always say not to go by man’s rules, but adhere strictly to the Bible. This Tuesday thing is a man’s rule, pure and simple, and they contradict themselves there, as they do on nearly everything else.
Another question I had is that if “The Mother” passes away, and does not ascend to heaven and take “her children” with her immediately, and the “end of the world” does not happpen right away, is that the end of the COG because the prophesy did not come true? Or will another excuse be made for yet another false prophesy?
My daughter-in-law has asked that church members not contact my son on days other than Tuesday and Saturday because she wants them to respect family time, as she is not a member of the church. So a member of the church keeps asking him to come to his house after church(10 hours each Saturday) This member asks my son to come to his house till midnight after church, because “it’s still Saturday.” They very apparently are trying to cause problems in my son’s marriage. They were hounding him constantly with calls and texts on non church days, and I feel that they probably still are. My son and his wife did not fight over four years together, and now my son is impossible to get along with and big arguments are happening at least 4 times a week. If my daughter in law does not want to listen to him preach to her out of the Bible for hours, he gets angry and yells. If she does not agree with a teaching, he gets angry and yells. He calls her wicked, selfish, and even Satan if she disagrees with the doctrine of the church, which she does as it causes him to worship false idols. She loves my son dearly, and always has, but this is so very hard on her. Any other woman would have left him, but her love is so strong. She tries so hard to please him, to no avail. She just can’t give in to going to this church because she doesn’t believe in it at all. Are there others out there who have had their marriage broken up by thie COG? Please repond.
By: MountainMom on December 30, 2009
at 2:11 am
Well mountain mom under such pressures obviously a healthy marriage of your son consecreted by true Jesus is ought to be destroyed by the Satan that rules the COG
My brother unfortunately is divorced and all the cousins and friends he sucks in are either divorced or having some personal problems. So the trick of this satan mother God is to destroy a good marriage and get them remarried within their church to ( brother or sister) and carry on spreading this evil doctrine. There is no salvation for them or eternal life. This false God has found a way to make a living after her old boyfirend kicked the bucket.
By: Lancy on December 30, 2009
at 3:15 pm
Thank you for your response, Lancy. Is it appropriate to reaveal where my son is attending this “church”, or is that crossing some kind of line? I want to find some former members that I could possibly talk to that went to that place. My daughter-in-law needs help, and I am her sole supporter. Unfortunately, I am 1,500 miles away, and I feel she needs a support group right there. Her Dad is not well, and she feels she cannot talk to her Mom because she is so stressed already with her Dad having severe health problems. In addition, they are further away than I am, as they live overseas. I want to help her, she is a wonderful person who does not deserve the treatment she is getting right now from my son. I fully believe this “church” is about alienation of affection. (That actually sounds like a legal term, doesn’t it?)
By: MountainMom on December 31, 2009
at 12:52 am
My son called me yesterday and wanted me to pay for his suits that his wife bought him because he wants to wear them to church, and his wife doesn’t want him to. He makes around $95,000 per year, and is asking me to pay for his suits. I’m a school teacher. He said that he and his wife are arguing about it, so it would make things better for him if I just paid for them as his birthday present. I have been very patient with him, but this time I had really had it. I did not mean to blow up, but I guess it was inevitable. I told him what I really thought about his involvement in that cult, and how much it was hurting me, his Dad, and his brother and sister. I reminded him that I had told him months before that they were going to browbeat him untill he wore a suit to church eventually. I had heard the Korean pastor telling him he should dress “like him” and giving him a hard time for wearing casual clothes to church. My son told me he wasn’t going to wear a suit, but now he is telling his wife he is going to, and is trying to get me to buy them because she is unhappy about it. I just had to call B.S. on this one. He was always aware of my opinion on this cult, but I have tried to keep our conversations calm and collected, and have assured him of my love. I do love him, but I am falling apart from the stress of continually dealing with this and feeling helpless. This church is in Bloomingdale, Illinois. Are there former members out there? My son says he has been told he can not get on the internet because it is “like cheating” on his church. They told him it was the same eating from the tree of knowledge, like Eve did. Duh. They don’t want him to have knowledge. Why, why, why, can’t he see what they are doing? I know that 80% of people drop out of this church after being recruited. Unfortunately, my son’s mind is wired differently. I think this cult is like a form of addiction.
By: MountainMom on January 1, 2010
at 10:55 pm
I’m very surprised your son has been told he can’t go on the internet, because it seems like that message is not going out to all the other WMSCOG members. There are lots of WMSCOG blogs online, not to mention the church’s own website. Not very consistent are they?
In fact, they are not consistent with their views on lots of things. Take holiday celebrations… My sister did not wish me a Happy Thanksgiving or a Merry Christmas (Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are not in the Bible), but today she was eager to wish me a Happy New Year. Is the January 1st new year in the Bible? No, but our Gregorian calendar with the Jan. 1st new year was implemented by … guess who … the Catholic Pope Gregory XIII. And she wished me a happy birthday–where in the Bible does God tell us to celebrate our birthdays every year? I haven’t found it. Interesting…
And where in the Bible does it say that a man is supposed to wear a suit to church? Really, I’d like to know the answer to that one. Is that not a *rule of men* to be dressed up in a suit for church? It’s nice to see people caring about dressing nicely for church and not wearing their ripped up jeans and t-shirts, but really, is it part of Christ’s law to wear a suit to church? It’s more important what’s in the heart.
I agree it is stressful, MountainMom! I’m sure even more so for you as a mom than for me as a sister. And it’s hard being so far away, but I keep praying and fasting regularly, and I trust that God (the real one) is working out His plan in ways I can’t see.
I think the sad thing is that the church members are being trained not to question anything, that questioning shows a lack of faith in God. But actually God welcomes our honest questions. The Bereans were praised for searching the Scriptures to see if what they were being told was true (Acts 17:11).
By: genny on January 2, 2010
at 7:34 am
I posted a long response to this on another blog that I don’t want to retype exactly:
http://blog.jameskanka.com/2008/01/mother-god.html
But one thing we need to realize about these people is that they’re coming up because men have failed to treat women as the Bible commands, as Christ loved the church.
These people are almost certainly people who hate men because they have been hurt by men. But they still will have no excuse when they meet God the Father and see that there is no “heavenly mother.” They will go the same hell as the fool who “has said in his heart there is no God.”
By: Clint Mahoney on January 2, 2010
at 1:12 pm
MountainMom, I would like to share my experience with you privately, it might be able to help your daughter-in-law, if you don’t mind, please let me know your e-mail address then I will contact you.
By: GaYuen on January 4, 2010
at 8:13 am
GaYuen, my e-mail address is harwoodmt@hotmail.com. I would welcome any contact. Thank you.
By: MountainMMom on January 5, 2010
at 2:53 am
I had a conversation with my son, a COG member, a month or more ago where I asked him if they told him that the end of days was coming in 2012. He said yes. Then I said, have they now said it may be sooner, even in 2010? And he said yes. I then went further and told him I thought maybe they were saying this because the “Mother” is possibly ill, and it may happen sooner. I specifically remember the conversation because I then told him I figured they would then come up with some new story to explain why the world didn’t end, the “children” didn’t ascend with the Mother, etc. My son is now denying that he said this to me. Yet, one of the guys who originally recruited my son to the COG, responded to this same question when my daughter in law asked him two weeks ago, and he again said the end would be by 2012. Is there a new strategy out there, because not all of them seem to be in on it.
By: MountainMom on January 6, 2010
at 2:28 am
Matt. 24:36 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.”
I don’t understand how these COG folks claim the Bible is completely true, which means this verse is also, but claim the world is ending by 2012? That gives us a known time.. but the Bible says no one but the Father knows. Also, if God is just one being with different faces, I suppose Ahn Sang Hong will transform into the Father to bring about the wrath of God, and then transform back into the “new Christ” when He comes to earth? They’ve got it all backwards :)
By: Pierce on January 9, 2010
at 9:49 am
AGAIN FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME, THE CHURCH OF GOD!!!!!! DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THAT 20012 JIBBERISH, THATS NONSENSE, WHOEVER KEEPS SAYING THIS IS TRIPPEN, NO ONE KNOWS THE HOUR OR THE TIME, NOT EVEN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 7:59 pm
My daughter in law got my son to go to her church for just one hour(not a service or prayer thing, but on a weekday evening) for a question and answer thing just to let him see that there is another side to things, and to see that her religion isn’t evil. He seemed to be fine with it, and things went ok. Then he went back to the COG, and must have told them about it. The next time she asked him to go, the very next week, he said he couldn’t go to that church. Well, it wasn’t even to any service or anything, it was just informal question and answer. But my daughter in law said to him that maybe he would feel more comfortable at a coffee shop or something, just informally, so that he could ask questions to her two friends from her church. He said ok, we’ll meet at the IHOP restaurant. When they arrived there, it was obvious my son had told the main recruiter from the COG he attends, as he was there waiting for them. He(the COG recruiter, who is paid by the church) took over asking questions and wound up arguing with the people from the other church and telling my son that they were trying to recruit him to their church. My son had not told my daughter in law he had invited this COG guy, it was kept secret from her. It is just so bizarre. Every time my daughter in law tries to help my son see both sides of an issue, or tries to do something positive for their marriage, they seem to step in between. It is like he is their possession or they are his keeper or something. I know it is because he has substantial money they are after, and are getting at this point. Apparently, they also teach that you don’t just give 10% of your income, you give at least 10% of all your worldly goods.
My son has shut off the cable TV and internet at their house because he wants to give that money to the church, and he wants my daughter in law to pay for everything. He has told her he wants her to pay for his school loans, his tires, the rent, the groceries, and so on. She doesn’t mind paying for things, just not so he can give more and more and more to the COG. They seem to want her money as well, and they know she stands in the way of them getting every cent my son earns. I believe this is why they are trying to break up their marriage. Thoughts? It is the most bizarre thing I have ever run up against. And how in the world have they gotten my son so under their control?
By: MountainMom on January 7, 2010
at 6:43 am
I don’t agree with giving that much money to ANY church unless it’s for the glory of God, which I obviously being anti-COG due to my Christian faith without any Korean Jesus-wannabe false teacher, I wouldn’t give any money to any COG at any time except to help a person in need, such as a local community help sort of thing, and only if God led me to that.
Anyhow, if your son is going to divorce, remind him that if he’s a believer in the Bible alone (or else COG is a pack of lies), then the Bible says you shouldn’t divorce. Christians are able to find redemption even in the midst of sin, but COG believes everything 190% more than any Christian apparently, because I was told by a COG member that if I worshiped at church on Sunday but not the Sabbath then God would not even hear my worship, and that by celebrating Christmas and Thanksgiving, even without alcohol or drugs or gluttony, sex, whatever, that I was being sinful just for participating it. The Bible is clear God hates divorce, and that you should only divorce if the unbeliever is the one who chooses to break up (the unbeliever is not bound to biblical law). However, it is not the believer’s option to decide divorce unless the person is being abused. Remind him of his biblical truth, and tell him to get his butt out of COG, read the Bible in context for himself, and find a church that follows ONLY the biblical truth, in context, and not with some person claiming to be the Holy Spirit or Jesus. Also, no church should demand huge amounts of money – that’s another sign of a cult. Only God can ask of that – 10% tithes are all is asked of God, and anything you are personally convinced God himself told you, not through any person.
By: Pierce on January 8, 2010
at 11:43 pm
MAN HOW YOU GONNA TELL ME, THE CHURCH OF GOD IS MY HOME, DONT NO ONE GET PAID,,, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO, THE PASTORS LIVE IN A VERY TINY ROOM IN THE BACK, AND USUALLY WORK FOR FED EX, OR A OFFICE JOB OR SOMETHING, THE DEACONS DONT EVEN WANT RECOGNITION, PAYED(((((THATS HILARIOUS, THE MISSIONARIES, NOTHING, NADA….. YOU THINK GOD WOULD SET UP THE CHURCH THAT WAY, SO BROTHERS AND SISTERS CAN FALL INTO TEMPTATION, YOUR TALKING ABOUT MOTHER HERE, SHE KNOPWS WHAT YOUR THINKING RIGHT NOW, AINT NO WAY GOD WOULD SET UP THE CHURCH AS TO GET SUPPOSADLY PAYED$$$$………..NOPE, YOU MUST HAVE SOME OTHER CHURCH, OR YOU GOT IT TWISTED…… I KNOW MY HOME, PLEASE DONT ASSUME, THERE ARE NO RECRUITERS, HAHAAH, YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT OUR PAYMENT IS,,,,,,, SALVATION GOD BLESS YOU
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 8:07 pm
The modalistic views that WMSCOG “Ahn Sang Hong” believers hold is simply out of context with the Bible, in fact most of which verses they place their core beliefs are out of context. There is no mention of “Heavenly Mother”. There is mention of Jerusalem above is the “free mother”. This is not to be taken literally – Jerusalem, the root of Judaism, was in bondage to the rituals needed to be rid of sin. The heavenly Jerusalem which God will pour down in the end of days represents a free-of-sin realm, no more bondage to sin and no need for repentance ever again. This is found first in Jesus Christ, and will be fulfilled in the end of days. As far as the oneness beliefs incorporated with WMS, how can Jesus be praying to the Father and saying “not My will but Yours be done”? If they are one and the same person, would the will be the same? Jesus wanted to not feel pain, but knew the will of the Father was what was needed at the time. Would He have said “not My will but My will be done”? That would make no sense. And what of Jesus being baptized and the Father proclaiming “this is My beloved Son”? There are 2 entities at work in the same time and place in that area of scripture. One God? Absolutely, without a doubt. Though, the Elohim is not 3 faces of God, and includes no mother god.. simply a Hebrew word to pluralize God without making Him “gods”.
By: Pierce on January 8, 2010
at 5:57 pm
HOLD UP,,,, WAIT, ELOHIM MEANS GOD(S), NO NUMBERS, JUST PLURAL, AND THE NEW JERUSALEM IS THE LAST EVE, AND SECOND COMING CHRIST IS THE LAST ADAM, THE SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE, REVALATION, 22:17 RIGHT.
NOW GO TO REVELATION 21:1-3 OKAY, READ CAREFULLY, IT SAYS NOT ONCE BUT TWICE, THAT THE WATER OF LIFE IS FLOWING…. FROM THE THRONE OF (GOD) AND OF THE LAMB,,,,,, THIS IS TWO PEOPLE HERE, YOU SEE IT,
IF YOU KNOW THE BIBLE WELL, THE ONLY LAMB IN THE BOOK OF TRUTH IS JESUS CHRIST RIGHT, AMEN, NOW LOOK AT REVELATION 21:3, AGAIN, IT SAYS THE THRONE OF (GOD) AND THE LAMB.
NOW REMEMBER THAT VERSE 1, SAID THAT THE WATER OF LIFE WAS FLOWINF FROM THE THRONE””” OF GOD…. AND OF THE LAMB,
SO LETS SEE WHO THIS WATER OF LIFE IS FLOWING FROM, ALREADY CALLED GOD TWICE,
NOW REVELATION 21:1-4, IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT THE NEW JERUSALEM, IS COMING DOWN, ,,OUT OF HEAVEN, PREPARED AS A BRIDE BEAUTIFULLY DRESSED FOR HER HUSBAND, HAVE YOU HEARD THE PARABLE OF THE WEDDING BANQUET YET, YES WE ARE THE GUEST,
SO HERE WE HAVE THE SPIRT (THE LAMB) EITHER ONE, AND HIS BRIDE, MAN YOU PEOPLE WANT GOD TO BE LONELY HUH,!!! DO YOU WANT TO BE ALONE FOR ETERNITY???? TRY IT OUT, IM NOT TALKING ABOUT SINGLE, IM TALKING ABOUT BEING IN HEAVEN, AINT NO DATING, AINT NO SEX, HEAVEN IS PURE, OUR FATHER HAS A BRIDE DRESSED UP FOR HIM, AINT NOTHIN WRONG WITH THAT, ITS CUZ WE ARE SINNERS, STR8 SINNERS, TO US, WE THINK BRIDE, (SEX) NO NO, AFTER HIS BRIDE MAKES HER BEAUTIFUL ENTRANCE IN CHAPTER 21 REV. THEN GOD TELLS US IN GALATIONS, THAT SHE’S NOT ONLY HIS BRIDE, BUT SHE IS OUR MOTHER, WOW….. HOW AMAZING IS THAT, TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A MOTHER IN HEAVEN, WHAT ABOUT
ISAIAH 62: 6, GOD ESTABLISHES (UNVEILS) JERUSALEM, AND MAKES HER THE PRAISE OF THE EARTH, (((CLEARLY THIS IS SOMEONE)))))) HOW CAN WE PRAISE YOUR THEORY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE CAN ONLY PRAISE GOD, A JEALOUS GOD AT THAT, SO YOU KNOW JERUSALEM IS GOD, SHES COMING OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD, OUR FATHER IS REVEALING TO US, THE LAST EVE, EVE MEANS, MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING, REMEMBER ADAM REVEALED EVE WITH HIS BOBE OF HIS BONE, FLESH OF HIS FLESH, AND THEY ARE ONE, BECAUSE OF THAT, SO THE LAST ADAM, 2ND COMING, REVEALS TO US, THE LAST EVE, NEW JERUSALEM, FLESH OF HIS FLESH, BONE OF HIS BONE,,,,, THE WEDDING BANQUET, AND WE ARE THE GUEST, AND BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO ARE INVITED TO THE HEAVENLY WEEDING BANQUET, HOW COULD THEIR BE A HEAVENLY WEDDING WITHOUT NO BRIDE, THE HUSBAND, THE GUEST, AND THE BRIDE
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 8:27 pm
REV 19:7-8 FOR THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB HAS COME, AND HIS BRIDE HAS MADE HERSELF READY,FINE LINEN, BRIGHT AND CLEAN WAS GIVEN TO HER TO WEAR,(((WHITE, MEANING THE PURITY OF THE SAINTS)))))
SO THE HEAVENLY WEDDING BANQUET,,,, HAS THE GUEST,,,,,,HAS THE GROOM (LAMB) (SPIRIT) SAME, NOW, TADAAAA….. THE BRIDE, ALWAYS MAKES A BIG ENTRANCE QUE NO? IN EVERY WEDDING, I DONT KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN MARRIED, BUT IM SURE YOU KNOW THAT WITHOUT THE BRIDE, THERE AINT NO WEDDING. SHE IS THE MYSTERY, OF THE BIBLE, EVEN APOSTLE PAUL KNEW ABOUT MOTHER, GALATIANS, THATS WHAT MOTIVATED HIM TO DO SO MUCH HARD WORK, HE KNEW MORE, THAN THE PEOPLE THOUGHT HE KNEW, COME ON, A PROPHET ALWAYS KNOWS MORE THAN HE SPEAKS. PROPHET JOHN AS WELL, HE SAW EVERYONE, THE CHILDREN OF GOD, THE BRIDE AND THE GROOM, SATAN, EVERYTHING, JOHN SAW THEE ENTIRE ASSEMBY REV 14:1-5
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 8:37 pm
Thank you for your comments, Pierce. I have told my son to get his butt out of the COG, in no uncertain terms. I tried to do it in a way that would leave him saving face, and let him know that we will still love him no matter what. However, he is a “cash cow” to these people, and they are treating him like a possession that they jealously guard. I believe everything in your post, and agree with you. He is giving them SO much money, they will never let him go. They keep appealing to him with flattery, etc., telling him he will someday be a “global leader” for them. I pray he will not, and I have asked him to refrain from going out and preaching as that would be recruiting someone else into a destructive nightmare. I also feel he is being outrageously horrible to my daughter in law because he (and the COG) do know that he cannot divorce. I fully believe there is a plan to treat her so badly she leaves him so he can be free, and they can manipulate him even more. She stands in the way now, because she told him she would never leave him. They have been together four years and hardly had even a disagreement till the total brainwashing they did on him. This is the most horrendous thing that has ever happened to my family. I feel so bad for my daughter in law. She is such a special person.
By: MountainMom on January 9, 2010
at 3:21 am
MountainMom,
You are welcome.. I am praying for you and your son and daughter-in-law. Truly, I am touched by this story.. it’s just sad how things like this can end up in the wrong direction. Stay strong.
By: Pierce on January 9, 2010
at 10:03 am
MATHEW 22:31, IT SAYS GIVE TO GOD, WHAT IS GODS, DO YOU BELEIVE IN THE BIBLE, GOD OWNS YOU, YOU DO NOT OWN YOURSELF, YOU DID NOT CREATE YOURSELF, THIS IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD
LEV 27:30 IT BELONGS TO GOD, YOUR TITHINGS, AND ITS A LAW
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 8:50 pm
WOW…. YOUR SON HAS GREAT FAITH, HIS BARNS WILL QUADRUPLE 10 FOLD, BUT……THE CHURCH OF GOD, FROM SCRIPTURE, REQUIRES THAT NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, SHOULD GIVE MORE THAN 10 PERCENT OF WHAT THEY HAVE, SO IF YOUR SON MAKES LETS SAY 400 DOLLARS IN TWO WEEKS, HOW MUCH DOES THE BIBLE, NOT THE CHURCH, THE BIBLE SAYS, 10 % I CANT BELEIVE PEOPLE DONT SEE THESE THINGS, HOW MUCH IS TEN PERCENT OF 400, I SUCK AT MATH, WHAT 40 DOLLARS, OUT OF TEN PERCENT, THE BIBLE SAYS IT, DO YOU GO AGAINST THE BIBLE, GOD IS LENDING YOU A BODY AND THIS BIG EARTH, AND THE BREATH OF LIFE, AND YOUR COMPLAINING ABOUT 10 %, DO THEY HAVE A GUN TO YOUR SONS HEAD, CUZ IF THEY DO IM WITH YOU ALL THE WAY
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 8:43 pm
MY BAD, ITS MONTHLY EARNINGS, 10 % OF MONTHLY EARNINGS, TO RECIEVE LIFE,YOU ARE A SINNER, WE ARE ALL SINNERS, DONT YOU KNOW THE LAW OF TITHINGS, WE BELONG TO GOD, HE DOESNT WANT OUR POSESSIONS, HE WANTS US
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 8:46 pm
IM SORRY BUT IM IN THE CHURCH OF GOD AND YOU ARE NOT, WE DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING FROM ANYONE, IF HE WANTS TO GIVE HIS 10 PERCENT OF MONTHLY EARNINGS THEN LET HIM, HES BEING OBEDIANT, HES ACCEPTABLE LIKE MOSES IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE AT ALL?????? BECAUSE THIS IS GODS COMMAND, YOU SHOULD BE TREMBLING AFTER SMUTHERING A GOOD CHURCH WITH YOUR DETESTABLE IGNORANCE, IM SORRY BUT IF HES GIVING MORE THAN 10 % THEN, SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, ITS HIS MONEY, WHAT IS HE 10 YEARS OLD, YOU HAVE TO WATCH HIS ALLOWANCE, YOUR GOING TO BABYSIT HIS RELATIONSHIP, IF A FEMALE IS A FOREIGNER, AS SAID IN THE SCRIOPTURES, THEN THE MAN MUST CUT HER OFF, OR DIE WITH HER, SCRIPTURE HUNNY, NOT ME, STAYING UP, MAKING STUFF UP, SCRIPTURE, SO HES GOING TO GET CUT OFF FROM HEAVEN, BECAUSE YOU WANT A LITTLE RELATIONSHIP TO GROW INTO NOTHING, ONLY GODS LOVE EXIST, GOD IS OUR TRUE LOVE, AND YOU COULD LOVE SOMEONE WITH GODS LOVE, BUT MANS LOVE, CONDITIONAL
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 8:58 pm
Hey everybody. Just wanted to wish you all a great new year. For my COG friends. Good luck trying to convince the sane people to get brainwashed by the strange interpretation of the the bible you have. Everyone else good job staying strong and I’ll pray for your loved ones that are being led by Satan via the CoG.
By: Coginator on January 9, 2010
at 4:14 am
Been getting some things posted on the new forum: http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/
Hope the information’s useful to you all.
By: genny on January 13, 2010
at 3:54 pm
I notice that the WMSCOG main church website has updated their church history page, and I see bad news for all of their members…
They are reporting that they have reached 1 million registered members.
Why is that bad news for those members? Because they were told that if they took the Passover they would have the Seal of God which would spare them from the last plagues and they would be taken to heaven alive with “Heavenly Mother”.
Unfortunately, Ahnsahnghong himself said that *ONLY 144,000* will be taken alive to heaven with the seal. The rest (800,000+) are out of luck. Sorry. You can read it for yourself in Ahnsahnghong’s book about the Water of Life, pages 77 and 85.
Actually, the church says they reached 200,000 members in 1999. So you’ve been out of luck for quite some time.
By: genny on January 14, 2010
at 10:21 am
MountainMom,
Just a thought…
Maybe your son has been told that he needs to compete with the other 1 million members for a place among the 144,000, and that’s why he’s trying so hard to be “acceptable”?
By: genny on January 15, 2010
at 1:46 pm
Yes, my son has been told that. They told him it’s a competition, and he has to “reserve his seat.” That is so sick and wrong. There has been such a sudden and drastic change in him, just over the past 4 months, that it is extremely alarming. Everything is escalating, and none of it is good for my son and our family. They have complete control over his mind. Before he was only brainwashed while he was at church with them. Over the past few months, they have given him so many books, CDs, and DVD’s, that he is now brainwashing himself 24/7. What a deal for them! Yes, destruction is near, but the destruction of my son and our family is the one I am talking about.
By: MountainMom on January 16, 2010
at 3:06 am
COG members are now giving my son books that are anti-Muslim, and has also been told that the reason he can’t celebrate Christmas is that it is a Catholic tradition, and basically, Catholics are bad. I know they preach hatred for other religions, so I am assuming this is their usual method of operation. It is especially troublesome because my daughter in law is Muslim, and two different COG members have said very offensive anti Muslim comments to her, and have caused trouble in her marriage by telling my son how terrible and violent her religion is. She told them that it is only when people go to the mosque excessively and become fanatic, carrying it to extremes that problems occur. (Which actually sounds exactly like the COG, not the Muslim religion) She tried to get my son to talk to two friends of hers and ask questions about Islam, not to recruit anyone, as she has never done, but to simply see what it is based on and understand. The main recruiter from the COG appeared, uninvited, and took over the meeting, arguing, preaching, and offending her and her friends by falsely stating that they were trying to recruit my son to their religion. All the while my son stood by, not saying a word. He let the recruiter from COG take everything over, and he wasn’t even supposed to be there. My daughter in law is not a fanatic Muslim, and actually, does not even attend a mosque. Her parents are Muslim, but she is not an active member and does not intend to become one. Shortly afterwards, my son came home from their church with a book about how Muslims are all terrorists. It was not a library book, he got it from the COG. This is so insulting and harmful to his relationship to his wife. The COG knows this, and they are deliberately trying to cause as much marital trouble as they can. It is so obvious. I am so ashamed that my son would allow this, but he is so much under their control that he cannot even think for himself. They pull his strings like a puppet.
By: MountainMom on January 22, 2010
at 4:28 am
Last Sunday my son decided he will not eat or drink or go to work unless we accept his church. His poor wife and all the rest of us are devastated. He wanted us to say the magic words, but we didn’t know what they were. Finally we just reiterated that we love him unconditionally, as we always have said. He said we can say absolutely nothing against the church, so we said that too. Anything to make him eat and drink again. What can we do when we are faced with emotional blackmail like this. We are too far away to do anything else. Yet, he thinks this cult isn’t destructive.
By: MountainMom on March 3, 2010
at 6:02 am
I see you guys are back again once again talking what you dont know anything about. Look if you dont believe then who cares?
stop the nonsence and hypocrisy you only want to attach yourself to something important so you can feel important reall man its just pathetic.
By: jamal r parker on March 12, 2010
at 9:24 am
God bless you Jamal. These anti-Church of God people will continue so they could fulfill what was prophecied about them. They truly don’t believe the Bible and will continue to deny the Bible. These people talks only here in internet but when you invite them for face to face Bible study, they hide because they are expose for who they really are and that is they don’t truly believe and follow the Bible. Clearly all they want is debate and quarrel. Brother, let’s not waste time arguing with these people and continue to find our lost Brothers and Sisters so we could return to our hometown Kingdom of Heaven.
By: brofromzion on March 20, 2010
at 1:37 am
God Bless you Jamal,
I agree with Bro from Zion, They are not our family….They do not belong to our Father & Mother.
John 8:47….He who belongs to God hears what God says….
By: sarah-ann on March 25, 2010
at 1:34 am
I am not talking about believing in your cult. I am talking about my son’s life, and the downward spiral that is happening to him because of his association with this so called “church.” And it is not an isolated example of what happens to people who become involved with this abomination. I have researched it for 6 months now, very thoroughly. The testimonies are all the same. If your “church” was good for my son I would want him in it. It is not good. It is the worst thing that has ever happened to him and to our family. That is the truth. Did you even read what I said in my last post? How can you be so unconcerned about my son’s life? Oh yes, because you and your members DON’T CARE about what happens to him as long as you can continue to take his money. Well, I care. I’m his mother.
By: MountainMom on March 13, 2010
at 6:37 am
By the way, I have been to this “church”, and I talk about it from some firsthand experience. I DO know what I am talking about. I was baptized in it by their urging the very first time I went there, before I even understood what it was about. They baptize you as quick as they can so you feel some kind of responsibility or bonding to them right off. They don’t really care that you don’t understand it fully. No other church does that. Real churches want you to understand fully and know what you are getting in to. I actually thought it was a Born Again thing when I was baptized, as I am a Presbyterian and always will be. Still, they quickly got me baptized and then told me I was written in their “Book of Life.” They send this to Korea directly, and then inflate their numbers with people they tricked into being baptized there, who never are actually members of their “church.” Then they tell potential recruits that their church is the fastest growing one in the world and they have a million members or more. Actually 8 out of 10 drop out of it, so they probably have 200,000 suckers in there, tops. My husband has also been there several times, and so has my daughter (once). My husband was also baptized there, only to please my son, as I did. Neither of us believe in this cult, and we talk from firsthand experience, as well as research. I have also talked directly to other people with loved ones in this nightmare. Believe me, I talk from experience. I ABSOLUTELY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT JAMAL R PARKER. Now respond to that if you can.
By: MountainMom on March 14, 2010
at 1:31 am
yes, Jamal,
Some of us DO know what we are talking about–from our own experience and our own research.
And if you disagree, I think you should head on over to the forum and offer some helpful corrections…
http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/index.php
And MountainMom, I think you should check out the forum too and tell about your experience. I hope your son has come to his senses about his fasting protest.
By: genny on March 14, 2010
at 2:10 am
MountainMom you may need to resort to filing a police report to get your son back. Explore what options are available and ask around at that site for advice; i.m really sorry I can’t do anything much for you. My heart goes out to you.
God be with you in this difficult time.
Jamie
By: Seeking Truth on March 14, 2010
at 8:25 am
I have talked to the police. They can’t help because he is over 21. The only tine they could intervene is if he actually attempts suicide, which, I’m sure, is where this is all headed. Yesterday he told his Dad, again, that maybe he should just kill himself. That’s three times now within a few months that he has said it, so I know it is weighing heavily on his mind. The simple solution is just to quit the cult, but that is the one solution he won’t hear of. It would make him free him again, but he can’t see it. So he continues to be a slave for them. His Dad is going out to visit him for a week soon, and will again try to calm him down. He went out there last month as well for a week to visit and talk to our son. Our son does fine till he goes to church again, and then he’s all messed up. With the earthquakes recently, the church has decided to turn up the volume, because the end is so near!
I won’t list here all the things I’ve done and avenues I’ve pursued to get my son back, but the list is extensive, and I’m way beyond calling the police. That was months ago. I have some other irons in the fire, but hoped I wouldn’t have to use them. We were really hoping we could do it with reasoning, but that is not possible now.
By: MountainMom on March 17, 2010
at 10:20 pm
hi again, brofromzion, I wondered what had happened to you and our other WMSCOG friends. (And I don’t say friends sarcastically. I know we both have the goal of knowing God, so I hope that we will be friends really.)
I noticed you said that you want to “continue to find our lost Brothers and Sisters so we could return to our hometown Kingdom of Heaven.”
I’m just wondering, with already 1 million members, surely out of those you’ve found the 144,000 faithful by now?
By: genny on March 20, 2010
at 4:11 pm
Ok so right now, my relationship with my boyfriend is on the edge because I don’t believe the things the COG preaches. I mean ok, Sabbath, Passover, veil, etc., I can deal with that, and I’ll talk to him about that stuff later because obviously, his church isn’t the only one that observes these.
But it’s the Ahn- doode and Mother J I really don’t agree with.
So we decided that we would try to make things work, and I guess that meant him trying to convince me that this is the true church. I agreed to listen to what he has to say and I will ask questions when I feel the need to. I have asked questions that come up but I end up forgetting to ask a question that I’ve read from blogs and other websites to the COG members that make good points.
So I was just wondering if any of you who are not members of the COG can list your questions here and I will ask my boyfriend. Then I will reply back to this blog what his answer was.
This will give us all an insight of what an active member of 4 years has to say since it seems like the COG members on here refuse to answer your questions.. lol.
Or you can email me at aea1016@hotmail.com
God bless all of you, no matter what faith you come from.
By: Emilyn on March 22, 2010
at 3:45 am
I would like to know if they are still holding to their original story that the world would end in 2012, and if not, why not. Also, why can’t they tell us? My son says it could be any day, and he is frantically trying to recruit people to “save” them. Another one they can’t answer, why do they have to go to church on Tuesdays? That isn’t in the Bible. My son tried to tell me it was in Numbers, but I looked it up and it wasn’t. If it isn’t in the Bible, aren’t they guilty of following “men’s rules” which they always put people down for? It seems that the Tuesday night thing is a man’s rule. Also, my son was told he had to give more than 10% because they have to pay taxes on what he gives. Why would this be? Thank you for trying to find answers for everyone.
By: MountainMom on March 23, 2010
at 6:09 am
Ok, I’ll ask him as soon as it gets brought up, and no problem. :)
Yeah, I think that’s what he’s trying to do to me; recruit me before the end of the world which should be soon, i guess. He’s told me he’s scared of me dying because he “knows 110% that this is the true church” and the Passover is the only way to salvation.
But the Tuesday thing.. hm, he’s never mentioned anything to me about Tuesday services. I know he went like once before but he doesn’t go on Tuesdays. That’s kind of odd..
By: Emilyn on March 23, 2010
at 1:35 pm
Hi Emilyn
I’d like to know about the Tuesday thing too. I heard it called the “Holy Third Day” but my sister couldn’t remember why it was holy.
I’d also like to know why the women wear a “white, lace” veil as opposed to any other kind of head covering, since the verses they use just talk about a woman’s head being “covered”.
And do they have an actual date of the end of the world, or just an estimate, and are the pastor actually preaching that to them or is it a rumor being passed among the members? In other words, how official is the end prediction?
Thanks for your help. I’d love to see you over at the forum. We’re looking to build it up with more people posting: http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/index.php
By: genny on March 23, 2010
at 2:25 pm
If you came to the CoG and studied Clean and Unclean maybe you would know…..hmmm theres a thought….
By: sarah-ann on March 25, 2010
at 1:02 am
Hello sarah-ann,
Glad to meet you. But you all don’t seem to realize that you don’t have a church in every city. The internet is the only way you are going to be able to talk to some people about your faith.
Let me ask you…do you study the Bible yourself, or do you only study what the WMSCOG teaches you?
Go to biblegateway.com and do a search for “third day” and see what turns up. There are 39 verses about the “third day” and the are overwhelmingly about the third day in the passage of time, such as when they are traveling for three days and on the third day they arrive. Rarely it is the third day of the month, as in Ezra 6:15. Never does it specifically, refer to the third day of the week (Tuesday).
You are thinking of Numbers 19:12 which says, “He must purify himself with the water on the third day and on the seventh day; then he will be clean. But if he does not purify himself on the third and seventh days, he will not be clean.”
If you read the context of the chapter, you’ll see that the “third day” and “seventh day” refers to the passage of time, NOT Tuesday and Saturday. Verse 11 says, “Whoever touches the dead body of anyone will be unclean for seven days.” In order to become clean again, he must purify himself on the third and seventh days of his seven days of uncleanness. If it meant Tuesday and Saturday, what would he do if he touched the dead body on Friday?
The same logic that would make Numbers 19:12 mean Tuesday and Saturday would also say that Jesus rose from the grave on a Tuesday. Did Jesus rise from the grave on a Tuesday? No, it was the first day of the week, Sunday. There are several verses in which Jesus says He will rise on “the third day”. It is not Tuesday. It is the third day from the crucifixion.
Anyone who is serious about knowing God better will not only listen to what their Pastor preaches, they will read and study the Bible for themselves. I encourage you to do that. Best regards, genny
ps–you are welcome to write me anytime. You can find me on that forum I mentioned in the previous post.
By: genny on March 25, 2010
at 7:04 am
Sarah-ann, maybe we would know if you would just tell us, too. Hm…….there’s a thought! But then again, maybe you don’t know how to answer the question about Tuesday worship being a “man’s rule” that is NOT found anywhere in the Bible. The COG appears to pick and choose which rules they can make and which ones have to come from the Bible. If this is not so, why can’t they show us where it says in the Bible that you have to go to church on Tuesdays?
By: MountainMom on March 25, 2010
at 5:32 am
Good reply Genny. It is the same reply I gave my son on this. I read it exactly as you did, and gave him somewhat the same example you did, as well. He did not reply to that,but just started on some other verse he wanted me to hear. What tends to happen is that if they can’t answer, they just resort to “Well, Ahnsahnghong said to do it, it’s in his book.” That’s hard to argue because they know only their members have the book he authored. Cheap way out of having to prove what they say, though.
By: MountainMom on March 26, 2010
at 10:09 pm
Hi all, i have been studying at the COG for the last 4-6 weeks.
The one thing that got my attention is the book of Daniel chapter 2 and chapter 7. I want u guys to look it up. Its about the rise of the catholic church and how they change the laws in the bible. Tell me what u guys thinks.
I have done research on this and found out that bible scholars all agree on this, and yet this book is never preached in a catholic or christian church.
By: Skyblue on March 27, 2010
at 1:44 pm
Hi Skyblue,
Glad you found your way here. Please visit the forum mentioned in my previous post so you can get a more balanced view of what the WMSCOG is teaching you. They will tell you not to look (I think they are afraid), but it is full of articles that examine the Bible to see if the WMSCOG doctrine holds true. If you are going to believe in the WMSCOG, at least you should be well-informed first.
About the book of Daniel—yes, Bible scholars agree that its fulfilled prophecy speaks about the rise of the Roman Empire (among other things), though you’ll see disagreement on whether it speaks of the Catholic Church.
I go to a Christian church, and I can tell you that the book of Daniel is NOT ignored. In fact, I did a twelve week study just on the book of Daniel. If the pastor does a series on prophecy, you can bet he will talk about the fulfilled prophecy in Daniel. But most of the time the sermons are about things more practically applied to everyday living—like how to live a life pleasing to God, understanding the nature of God better, how to deal with the troubles of life, and that kind of thing. But if you go long enough and get involved in extra study groups, you will learn about prophecy.
What the WMSCOG does is amaze you with the fulfilled prophecy, show you how interesting it is that different parts of the Bible fit together, and quote lots of Scripture for you—it’s very impressive, kind of like an infomercial. They want to get you hooked before you find out about the problems and contradictions, so before you know it you are worshipping a Korean woman as God and then you can’t ask these serious questions anymore because it would show a lack of faith.
If you’ve been studying with them 4-6 weeks, then you’ve probably heard a LOT about Passover, which they are going to celebrate Monday, March 29 right? That’s the same day all the Jewish people (and some Christian churches) celebrate the Passover—the 14 th day of the first month (Nisan) of the Hebrew calendar. It is extremely important for them to keep the Passover on the exact time and day. Here’s a question for you to ask one of the church leaders…
If it is so important to keep the Passover on the 14 th day of Nisan, why did they celebrate it on the 15 th day of Nisan last year (the day after all the Jews celebrated the Passover)?
You can verify that here:
http://english.watv.org/news/korea/content.asp?submenu=feast&articleid=i20090409946&page=2&fname=&fword=
It clearly states, “In the evening of April 9 [the 14th day of the first month in the sacred calendar], the Sacred Assembly of the Passover 2009 was held in all the Churches of God throughout the world.” And my sister (a church member) confirms it.
But April 9, 2009 was actually the 15 th day of the first month as you can check on any Hebrew calendar. Everyone else celebrated on April 8, 2009 which was the 14 th day of Nisan.
Hmmm…
This is an honest question I have, and I think it’s a fair question that deserves an answer. I’m not asking you to report the answer back to me, but try asking it for yourself and see how they respond and what they say.
This site and the forum I mentioned are full of other fair questions, like why does Ahnsahnghong, if he is God, describe God as “unjust” in his book?
Best regards,
genny
By: genny on March 28, 2010
at 7:50 am
Hey guys,
Sorry if it seems like I’m not making these questions a priority. I promise I haven’t forgotten any of them and I have them all saved.
But I haven’t seen my boyfriend since last Friday and I’ve probably talked to him 5 minutes the most on the phone all week. It’s spring break so I guess this is the week he decided to keep himself busy with fixing his car to run.
I’ve been trying to talk to him (not even JUST about religion, but about the usual stuff couples go through) but he’s always saying that he’s too busy for anything and fixing his car needs to get done.
I’ll keep you posted if I’m able to talk to him at all. But by the looks of it, I’m not going to be talking to him until Monday. I’m sorry for taking such a long time to getting the answers we all need.
Feel free to keep emailing me (aea1016@hotmail.com) and posting questions, I’ll keep them saved.
God bless.
By: Emilyn on March 27, 2010
at 1:49 pm
hi genny,
I have to admit, at the beginning i truly believed in what the COG teaches, however doubts started to arise when they began telling me their techniques on how to recruit new members. They say recruiting new members is like Fishing; if u pull to hard they will leave. They also mention how people with no previous knowledge of the bible are easy to recruit therefore we should target them. I felt really offended by this because my knowledge of the bible was not that good when i first came to the COG.
I began looking on the internet to find out more about the church, i came across a documentary on how cults operates and it matches up with everything the COG does. For example; the COG keeps all record of the tithes and even all the Free Will offerings. I began giving weekly tithes to the church about 3 weeks in, but i didn’t give any other offerings because as an university student i don’t have any money. To my surprise one evening one of the church leader came to me and in an angry tone demanded that i give Free Will offerings. I explained to him that i don’t have any money, but he wouldn’t accept it and continue to pressure me into giving money.
There’s a lot of other things that i feel is wrong about the church, but nobody in the church seem to care or notice it…..
oh yeah there are also other compulsory offerings that members need to make; such as monthly youth offerings, haha.
Oh, on each sabbath day, members need to make 3 offerings; the tithe, the feast offering, and the free will offering.
About your question of how the COG kept their passover on the wrong date last year, i’ll get back to you when i have the chance.
By: Skyblue on March 29, 2010
at 2:57 pm
Glad you seem to be wise about their workings, Skyblue.
You know, the Bible is an incredible book, God can be our friend, and Jesus is a gracious, loving and merciful Savior. But if you want to know God better, the WMSCOG is not the place to go.
http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/index.php
By: genny on April 1, 2010
at 12:53 pm
I grew up in a sub-Christian cult and it amazes me how it is the same tactic (shame, fear and guilt) which is utilized tenaciously to ensnare people and keep them in mental bondage. The best way to free someone from this kind of thing is to prove to them, from the Scriptures (esp. Paul), the unconditional love of God expressed in the provision of the righteousness of Christ via Grace and Faith alone. At the same time, point out the obvious flaws with the erroneous theology at hand (in this case the WMSCOG).
By: Jim on April 2, 2010
at 6:24 am
Ok so I eventually talked to my boyfriend and it seems as if going with him to church is the only option I have to get the answers we all want.
I agreed with him that I would just try to understand his church more and that actually going with him is the best thing to do to question them.
And if they give me answers that contradict some things that members have been saying (because i know it’s happened.. where one member says something and another member says another thing), then that will be another step forward for us.
Please email me or post your questions here. I’m probably going with him near the end of April and I will make sure to the answers.
I’m just hoping that I don’t have the same experience as the last time I went.
By: Emilyn on April 2, 2010
at 7:48 am
Hi Jim
When i began not turning up to services at the COG, they came to my house and told me that disasters is coming and that i should go buy food to store it in my house. I felt a bit offended by this but i kept my cool, then they began taking of their shoes and try to push into my house without even asking if they can enter or not. They even tried to push me aside, this was really rude on their behalf. I didn’t let them in and told them I’ll see them at church later. Every time i think about it, it makes me feel like i been violated at my own home.
When they realize that i no longer listen to them they keep pulling this verse out of the bible, 2 Peter 2:21 “It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: A dog returns to its vomit”
By: Skyblue on April 2, 2010
at 12:33 pm
JAIME TALKS TO SATAN IS MORE LIKE IT, ANYWAY, ANYONE WHO MAKES UP LIES, AND SAYS THAT THEIR LITTLE BROTHER MIGHT NOT COME BACK FROM KOREA IS THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF JIBBERISH, I HAVE EVER HEARD, MY PEOPLE COME BACK RADIANT, ON TIME, BLESSED, AND FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, WE NEVER SAID THAT THE WORLD IS ENDING IN 2012, THATS ONE BIG FAT LIE, I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION BUT WE GO BY SCRIPTURE ONLY, AND……….IF MOTHER AND FATHER ARE NOT TRUE GOD, WHY ARE WE BEING RIDICULED SO MUCH, DOES YOUR SOUL HATE THE SOUND OF LIVING WATER, WHAT DO YOU DO, DO YOU STOP THE WORLD FOR GOD, AND DO SOMETHING FOR YOUR CHURCH, WITH A BEAUTIFUL HEART, OR DO YOU HANG OUT, DOWNLOAD, JUDGE, DISRESPECT, CARRY OUT SATANS WILL, I FEEL SO SORRY FOR EVERYONE ON HERE, …… THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CHANGED THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT, KEEP THE 7TH DAY SATURDAY HOLY, BECAUSE THEY KEEP THE 1ST DAY, SUNDAY, HAVNT YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES? NO ONE UNDER OR OVER OR IN THE OCEAN SHOULD CALL HIMSELF FATHER, THERE IS ONLY ONE FATHER IN HEAVEN, THE ROMANS KILLED BROS ANS SISS, FOR KEEPING SATURDAY HOLY, THE 7TH DAY, THERES SO MUCH MORE, YOU GUYS ARE JUST SO BLINDED, I FEEL SO BLESSED TO SEE RIGHT THROUGH ALL THIS EVIL, IM NOT EVEN UPSET, IM CONCERNED FOR YOUR SOULS? YOPU GUYS ARE ACTING JUST LIKE THE PHARISEES, WHEN THEY DIDNT BELEIVE JESSUS IS GOD, NOW U BELEIVE, AND YOU FEEL SAVED, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO JESUS WAS, THE HEBREWS 2000 YEARS AGO WERE DARK SKINNED, NOT BLUE EYES, NOT BLONDE HAIR, YOU GUYS ARE ALL CONFUSED BY YOUR FATHER, (SATAN) DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR COUNTRY STANDS FOR. BABYLON = CONFUSION, LOOK IT UP, YOUR ALL CONFUSED, AND IM SAD THAT YOU PEOPLE REJECT CHRIST AND FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DOCTRINES, I KNOW IM MAKING YOU THINK, IF YOU KEEP READING MY BLOGGS, YOUR MIND WILL BEGIN TO TURN SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST, AND YOUR SOULS ARE FEARFUL OF THAT, AS WRITTEN, THEY ARE SCARED TO TURN TO THE LORD AND BE HEALED, THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR BELIEFS. THAT IS HOW ALL OF YOU LOOK, IM JUST BEING STR8 FORWARD CUZ THAT WHO I AM, YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS A VERY STRONG BELEIVER IN CHRIST, STOP BELEIVING IN YOUR LITTLE FANTASY LIVES, WAKE UP!!!!!!! GOD HAS COME AND ESTABLISHED HOLY MOUNT ZION, WHY WOULD ANYONE EVEN TRY TO START A FALSE CHURCH ACROSS THE WORLD, GOD WILL NOT ALLOW THAT, REMEMBER IN DANIEL, IT SAID THAT THE SAINT WILL BE GIVEN TO SATAN FOR TIMES HALF A TIME, READ THE FOOT NOTE, DO THE MATH, THATS, 1200 YEARS, GIVEN,,,,,,,GIVEN,,,,,,,NOT TOOKEN, THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU PEOPLE ARE SO CLUELESS ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS BECAUSE GOD ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN, NO ONE, AND I MEAN, NO ONE, CAN STOP GOD, YOU PEOPLE ARE GERMS IN GODS EYES, SO LITTLE AND MICROSCOPIC, YOUR A MIST PASSING BY, IF I WERE YOU, I WOULDNT BLASPHEM THE CHURCH OF GOD, BECAUSE YOU ARE RISKING A COUPLE THOUSAND YEARS OF BURNING, JUST A COUPLE, MAN, I BURN MY FINGER AND IM IN PAIN, DONT PLAY WITH YOUR LIVES, AND JAIME, TELL EVERYONE THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF, COME ON, DONT BE SCARED, TELL EVERYBODY WHY YOU EVEN CREATED THIS BLOGG DISS, I DONT WANNA HAVE TO PUT YOU ON BLAST, BUT I WILL, REMEMBER………GOD KNOWS WHO YOU ARE, WHERE YOU BEEN, AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN A PART OF, COME ON TELL THEM!!!!!!! BE A BRAVE INDIVIDUAL FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT YOU WERE ONCE A PART OF THE WORLD MISSION SOCIETY CHURCH OF GOD, AND YOU LOST YOUR PLACE, JUST LIKE HEAVEN, AND YOUR STARTING A REBELLION BECAUSE JUST LIKE SATAN, YOU KNOW YOUR TIME IS COMING…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 1:23 pm
Another thing i want to add:
Once one of the leaders told me that the aim of the church is to make profit(money), and that i should urge new members to give as much offering as possible. I heard it from their own mouths.
This can clearly be seen with all the new multi-million dollars facilities that they recently built for themselves (this can be seen in their Elohist magazine issue 2 of 2009) They keep talking about the end of the world coming in the next 2-3 years, the money should be spent on more useful things then buildings that gonna be destroyed and useless.
By: Skyblue on April 2, 2010
at 1:34 pm
NO ONE IN THE CHURCH EVER SAID THAT THE WORLD IS ENDING IN 2 TO 3 YEARS, THATS SCIENCE THAT IS SAYING THAT THE EARTH IS GOING BONKERS, THEY KNOW WHATS GOING ON, ALL WE PROCLAIM IS THAT THE 7TH TRUMPET IS AROUND THE CORNER, ITS ALMOST TIME, AND $$$$$$ THE CHURCH DONT NEED ANY MONEY, THE CHURCH IS SET FOR LIFE, ITS YOU WHO NEED MONEY, BECAUSE YOU FULFILL MANY SCRIPTURES,,,GALATIONS 6 :6 THE ONE WHO SOWS TO PLEASE HIS SINFUL NATURE, FROM THAT NATURE HE WILL REEP DESTRUCTION,, YOU MUST NOT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE EITHER, CUZ TITHINGS, IS BOLDLY MENTIONED FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO GIVE TO GOD, FIRST …2 CORINTH. 12:14 WHAT I (GOD) WANTS, IS NOT YOUR POSESSIONS, BUT YOU. ANOTHER ONE2 CORINTH. 9: 7 EACH MAN SHOULD GIVE WHAT HE HAS DECIDED, IN HIS HEART TO GIVE, GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER,MATHEW 3: 7, TITHINGS BELONG TO GOD, AND HE WILL POOR OUT MUCH BLESSINGS ON THOSE WHO GIVE, MALACI 3: 7 TITHES IS A COMMAND OF GOD, HAVNT YOU READ THE BIBLE, IT SAYS YOU ARE ROBBING GOD, EVERY WEEK, YOU SHOULD GIVE TEN PERCENT OF WHAT YOU MAKE, AND YOUR BARNS, AND LIVESTOCK OVERFLOW, 10 FOLD, OR ARE YOU AN ATHIEST ALSO, DID YOU CREATE YOURSELF, DO YOU KNOW HOW BIG THE EARTH IS, AND GOD MADE IT IN 7 DAYS, YOU ARE BORROWING THE FLESH FROM THE DUST, AND MOSTLY, GODS BREATH OF LIFE, $$$PRICELESS$$$$ AND YOU CANT GIVE 2 BUCKS, 3 BUCKS, O BUT WAIT, OTHER CHURCHES DO PROFIT SOLELY FOR THEIR “CHURCH” EMPLOYEES, SORRY BUT MOUNT ZION CHURCH OF GOD DOES NOT HAVE ANY PAYROLL, OR EMPLOYEES, ITS OUR HOME, WE ARE AMBASSADERS OF THE TRUTH, NOT HIGHERED WORKERS, WE ARE SONS, AND WE KEEP GODS COMMANDS, BECAUSE THEY SAID SO, TITHING, LIKE I SAID, ITS IN THE BIBLE, ARE YOU A SCIENTOLOGIST? DO YOU NOT KNOW THE BIBLE, OR DONT BELEIVE IN IT, BUT HOLD UP……….I SPEAK FROM THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ROOT OF DAVID WHO OPENED, DECIPHERED THE SECRETS OF THE BIBLE, IF IT WASNT FOR 2ND COMING, MY KNOWLEDGE WOULD BE LIKE YOURS, GENERAL LIKE ALL FALSE CHURCHES, READ READ 1 CORINTH THE FIRST MAN WAS OF THE DUST OF THE EARTH, (ADAM) THE SECOND MAN FROM HEAVEN (LAST ADAM) 2ND COMING, AS OF THE EARTHLY MAN, SO ARE THOSE WHO ARE OF THE EARTH, (NONBELEIVERS) AND AS IS THE MAN FROM HEAVEN, SO ALSO ARE THOSE WHO ARE OF HEAVEN, (HIS CHILDREN) AND JUST AS WE HAVE BORE THE LIKENESS OF THE EARTHLY MAN, SO SHALL WE BARE THE LIKENESS OF THE MAN FROM HEAVEN (SPIRITUAL BODIES) DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO THE LAST ADAM IS, HE IS OUR SAVIOR, THE LAST EVE? EVE= MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING, LOOK IT UP, SHE IS MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING, SO IF SHE ISNT YOUR MOTHER, THEN MARY THE STATUE IS YOUR MOTHER WETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, BECAU SE GOD ONLY HAS ONE ENEMY, CUZ HIS WICKED CHIDREN AND HIM ARE 1, THE SUN GOD IS YOUR MOTHER, OF ALL THE DEAD, PAGANISM, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THESE THINGS? BAAL? (SATAN) SIRIUS(SATAN) HAVE YOU READ EZEKIEL, IF YOUR NOT IN THE CHURCH OF GOD, YOUR WORSHIPPING THE SUN GOD, THE PROSTITUTE WHO SITS ON THE WATERS (WORLD) AGAIN, SORRY FOR BEING SO STR8 FORWARD AND ABRUPT I BEEN HAVING A BAD DAY SINCE I CAME ACROSS THIS DEVILISH WEBSITE ON ACCIDENT, BUT I TRULY HOPE THAT YOU SEE THE LIGHT, WHOEVER YOU ARE, AND STOP LOOKING AT MY BROS AND SISS, AND JUDGING THEM, BUT LISTEN TO THE GOOD NEWS OF THE NEW COVENANT INSTEAD, DONT FOLLOW THE COMMON WAVES OF THE WORLD, THINK ABOUT YOUR SALVATION, THIS IS THE AGE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE AGE OF THE FATHER (JEHOVA) THE AGE OF THE SON (JESUS) AND THE AGE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (MOTHER NEW JERUSALEM) I REALLY HOPE YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY ON THE WWINTERNET, BECAUSE FOR SOMEONE TO WORRY SO MUCH AND CARE ABOUT YOU AS TO HOLDING YOUR HAND, AND ASKING FOR YOUR NUMBER AND TRYING TO SAVE YOUR SOUL IS SO BEAUTIFUL, AND ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS, WHO CLOSE YOUR MIND COMPLETELY LIKE IF YOUR BOLOD IS A DIFFERENT COLOR, WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS SEEKING SALVATION, IF YOUR NOT, NOTHING SAID, IS BETTER THAN VULGAR DESTRUCTIVE CRITISIZM,
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 12:52 pm
WOW, SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY SPEND TIME RIDICULING A CHURCH, WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU/????????????????????????????????????????????
I’LL TELL YOU MYSELF, CHRIST PROPHESIED ABOUT YOU WOLVES, DEVOURING PEOPLES SOULS, HEY JAIME, LEARN TO STUDY BEFORE CRITISIZING!!!! IN REVELATIONS CHAPTER 5:1-5 SAYS THAT THE ROOT OF DAVID HAS TRIUMPHED, AND THAT HE CAN OPEN THE SCROLL, NOW GO TO HOSEA 3:5 IT SAYS THAT THE JEWS WILL COME TREMBLING TO HIS FEET, IN THE LAST DAYS, BUT WHO IS THE ROOT OF DAVID??? REVELATION 22:16 THE ROOT OF DAVID IS JESUS, DO YOU SEE IT? I REALLY PRAY FOR YOU POOR SOUL! AND TO THAT OTHER GIRL SKYBLUE, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, NO ONE FORCES ANYONE TO GIVE MONEY IN THE CHURCH OF GOD, I’VE BEEN IN THE CHURCH FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND NO ONE!!!! HAS EVER FORCED ME TO DO ANYTHING, GALATIONS 4:16, THE NEW JERUSALEM IS FREE, AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER, THEY ARE COMPARING HER TO A SLAVE WOMAN WHO BORE A SLAVE CHILD OF THE FLESH,,,,AND THE OTHER WOMAN IS BEING COMPARED TO THE SLAVE WOMAN OF THE EARTH, AND IT SAYS THAT SHE NEW JERUSALEM HAS MORE CHILDREN THAN HER WHO HAS A HUSBAND (MEANING HUMAN WOMAN) SO……THIS IS A SPIRITUAL WOMAN ,,,,,USE YOUR SPIRITUAL EARS, THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS IS THE END OF THE BOOK, THE END LAST DAYS OK NOW, THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT …..HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER, SO THAT YOU WILL LIVE LONG IN THE LAND YOUR GOD IS GIVING YOU, WHAT LAND IS GOD GOING TO GIVE THEIR CHILDREN..???………… MERCURY,,,,MARS,,,,O…I KNOW……HEAVENNNNNNNN……… ISNT IT OBVIOUS THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HONOR OUR PARENTS,,,,WAIT……..OH!…..I GET IT,,,,,, THE BIBLE IS SPIRITUAL,,,,,,,RIGHT,,,,,,,,SPIRITAUL PARENTS,,,,,, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, LET US WAIT,,,,,,, US,,,,,,, MAKE MAN IN OUR OUR IMAGE, HUH! I GET IT,,,, ITS PLURAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! US OUR,,,,, ELOHIM MEANS GODS,,, LOOK IT UP,,,,,, FATHER AHN SAHNG HONGS TEACHINGS MUST BE FOR US,,,,,,,AS IT WAS WRITTEN,,,, AND NOT FOR THEM, TWO SIDES TO EVERY COIN,,,, DONT JUST JUDGE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE A BIT PUSHY,,,, THIS IS THE END OF THE WORLD HONEY, FATHER AHN SAHNG HONGS PROPHECIES ARE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS REVEALED AS A PROFIT, AND RULES TAUGHT BY MEN ORGANIZATION, ADD UP THE ROMAN NUMERALS ON THE POPES HAT,,,,,,,SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX,,,, WHY!!!!! BECAUSE GODS NUMBER IS 77777777777777, AND WHOEVER,,,,,,,,, DOESNT KEEP THE PASS OVER, LUKE 22:20,,,,,,, HAS NO LIFE IN THEM!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,WHICH MEANS THAT YOUR NOT KEEPING GODS COMMANDS,,,,JUST AS IT IS WRITTEN, THESE PEOPLE HONOR ME WITH THEIR LIPS,,,,,, BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME,,,,,, DO YOU EVEN BELEIVE IN THE BIBLE,,,, CUZ I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF YOU WOULDNT HAVE BEEN SO EVIL TO MY SPIRITUAL FAMS,,,, YOU WOULD’VE COULDVE SHOULDVE BUT DIDNT,,,,,:( :( :( RECIEVE LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE
YOUR HEART IS CALLASED, STOP PLANNING SO MUCH ON THIS EARTH CUZ ITS ALMOST TIME FOR FATHER TO COME AND JUDGE YOU,,,,, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN JUDGED THROUGH US……..THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE,,,,,,,STOP MAKING BOUQUETS, AND STOP BEING NOSEY, IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE TRUTH,,,,,, THEN WALK AWAY,,, HOW DARE ANYONE SPEAK ABOUT MY PEOPLE LIKE THAT,,,,,, WE DO NOT ASK FOR A THING,,,, WE GIVE,,,,, WITH OUR HEARTS,,,,,, GOD BLESS YOU JAIME, YOU ARE A HUGE VESSEL FOR SATANS MINISTRY,,,, KEEP IT UP,,,,, I FEEL LOW, FOR EVEN THROWING PEARLS AT SWINE,,,,, IT WAS WRITTEN, AND YOU FULFILL THAT PROPHECY,,,,,, I TRULY PRAY THAT YOU REPENT AND STOP BEING IGNORANT ABOUT A CHURCH ESTABLISHED ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH MILLIONS OF BROS AND SISS,,,, VERSUS YOU AND YOUR LITTLE DEMONS,,,,, YOU ALSO FULFILL THE PROPHECY,EZEKIAL 22:26 (YOU) YOU ARE IN THE BIBLE HUNNY,,,,,, FATHER AHN SAHNG HONG ALREADY WROTE ABOUT YOU 2000 YEARS AGO THROUGH OUR BROTHERS. REV. 21:8,,,,, (BEWARE) AND MY FAVORITE ONE,,,, LEAVE THESE MEN ALONE, IF THERE LAWS AND ORIGIN IS OF MEN, IT WILL FAIL, AND YOU WILL ONLY FIND YOURSELF FIGHTING GOD,
ISAIAH 62: 6 THIS IS HAPPENING BEFORE YOUR FACE, GOD,,,,,,ESTABLISHES JERUSALEM AND MAKES (HER) (HER) THE PRAISE OF THE EARTH,,, SORRY FOR BEING SO RUDE, BUT YOU SHOULD REALLY STOP LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE OF A CUP, AND SAYING ITS DIRTY, YOU ALSO FULLFILL ANOTHER SCRIPTURE,,, YOU ARE LIKE A CLOUD WITHOUT WATER JUST PASSING THROUGH, AND NOT OFFERING ANYTHING TO THE LAND, BUT ANSWER ME THIS SPIRITUAL PHARISEE,,,,,, I AM A SPIRITUAL JEW, AND I AM OFFENDED BY YOU, BUT I PRAY, WHAT KIND OF PERSON, SETS UP A WEBSITE, TO TRY AND RIDICULE, A CHURCH WHICH DONATES$$$$$ I SAID DONATES$$$$$$ SO MUCH MONEY, CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY NATURAL DISASTERS, WHY DOES THE CHURCH OF GOD RECIEVE GOLD MEDALS, NOT EVEN THE TROOPS OF THE ARMY WERE ABLE TO DELIVER FOOD, NOR SUPPLIES,,,, AND EHHHHHH….. NO MONEY, NOTHING FROM BUSH, NOTHING FROM OBAMA, NOTHING FROM FIDEL, NOTHING FROM YOU, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING,,,, BUT,,,,,,THE CHURCH OF GOD “WORLD MISSION” IM DONE WITH THROWING PEARLS,,,, I HOPE TO SEE YOUR FACIAL EXPRESSION ON JUDGMENT DAY,,,,,,,,,,,SINCERELY,,,,,,, A VERY,,,,,, HARDSHIPPED INDIVIDUAL, WHO SURVIVED THE GETTO, JAIL,,,,,CRIMES,,,,,,,REAL STUFF HONEY BUN, I HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN AND CALLED TO PARTICIPATE, IN THE BLESSINGS WITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND I WILL NOT BE GIVING INTO MARRIAGE, LABOR OR EATING WHEN FATHER COMES,,,,,,,, CAREFUL WHO YOU BLASPHEM, IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD GET ON MY KNEES AND PRAY TO ELOHIM FOR SAYING SELF CONDEMING NONSENSE ABOUT THE TRUE CHURCH, THAT YOUR FOREFATHERS REJECTED,,,, BUT THEN AGAIN,,,,,,,THAT PHRASE, LEAVE THESE MEN ALONE BYE AND GOD BLESS YOUR ENDANGERED SOUL,
By: KRISTIAN MALLORY on April 7, 2010
at 11:45 am
ALL OF YOU WILL BE JUDGED EVEN MORE THAN OTHERS, JUST FOR THE MESS YOU PEOPLE TYPED UP, ALL OF YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY A SHORTER MEASURING STICK, AND THE STEAKS ARE HIGH, GET A MIND OF YOUR OWN PEOPLE, DONT LISTEN TO SOMEONE WHOS MAD AT THE CHURCH CUZ THEY DIDNT WANT HER, OR HIM, OR IT, WHATEVER JAIME IS, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS BLOGG IS NONSENSE, WHOS GONNA BELEIVE AN OUTCAST, THROWN OUT IN THE DARKNESS, YOU’LL SEE, THE PROPHETS EYES AND EARS, ARE GODS EYES AND EARS, BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THEE ONLY TRUE RELIGION, EVERYTHING ELSE IS MAN MADE, VALVES WITHOUT WATER, WHITE WASHED TOMBS, LOOKING BRIGHT AND HUGE, WITH DEAD MANS BONES INSIDE, THE SYNAGOGOUE TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO WAS UNDERGROUND, NOT BIG AND GLORIOUS LIKE THE PHARISEES, OR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH A HUGE SUN IN THE CATHEDRAL, THE SUN GOD, STARTED BY THE EGYPTIANS, WHO WERE NEVER GODS PEOPLE UNTIL THE NEW COVENANT WENT INTO EFECT, NOW ANYONE CAN BE BAPTIZED, BUT THE EGYPTIAN ORIGINS CONSISTS’ OF CROSSES, HAVENT YOU READ, JEREMIAH CHAPTER 10, ABOUT THE CROSS, READ ALL OF JEREMIAH, ITS ALL ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHICH USED TO BE THE PARISEES , PERSECUTING CHRIST, IS ANYONE ON HERE EVEN CHRISTIAN, BUT A REAL CHRISTAIN, KEEPING THE PASSOVER GODS EVERLASTING” ORDIANCE, NOT SHORT PERIOD OF A TIME,,,,,, EVERLASTING!!!! THATS WHY 2ND COMING BROUGHT IT BACK, SO WE CAN HAVE SPIRITUAL BIRTH THRU OUR HOLY MOTHER ON THE 7000 YEAR, REPRESENTING THE 7TH TRUMPET, SEVEN ETERNAL REST,,,,,SABBATH MEANS REST, ALOTTA PEARLS IM THROWING, BUT ITS OKAY, TODAY YOUR JUDGMENT IS COMPLETE, CUZ YOU GOT TO HEAR MORE ABOUIT THE TRUTH, I WISH THE BEST TO EVERYONE ON THIS BLOGG, GOOD LUCK, GO TO YOUR NEAREST CHURCH OF GOD, AND STUDY ABOUT FATHER AND MOTHER, DONT JUST JUDGE, THATS WRONG, THE SAME STICK U USE TO MEASURE OTHERS, WILL BE USED TO MEASURE YOU!!!!!!!!!!! IS THAT A SHARP TOOTH
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 1:40 pm
I DIDNT DIRECT THIS AT EVERYBODY, IT IS DIRECTED TO THE ONES PERSECUTING THE CHURCH OF GOD, IM TIRED , IM FRUSTRATED AND IM SORRY IF IM A LITTLE HARSH WITH MY WORDS RIGHT NOW, I APOLOGIZE,
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:38 pm
Dear Child of God,
It looks like you’ve been doing a lot of yelling, but your posts would be much easier to read if you didn’t use the CapsLock.
You are very dedicated in your faith. I’m just sorry that your dedication is misplaced.
You said, “NO ONE IN THE CHURCH EVER SAID THAT THE WORLD IS ENDING IN 2 TO 3 YEARS”
Well, um, yes they have. This is from a church member’s blog…
“Even some people feel like all the theories about the end are just science fiction, but reconfirms that all this talk about the end and 2012 is not fiction but a fact……Even though now the date 2012 stands we should not wait until that time, but rather come to Zion sooner, for God has stated the end of times will be shorten”
It’s here if you’d like to see it for yourself.
http://www.mygodahnsahnghong.com/ahnsahnghong/church-god-world-mission-society-2012-2/
It sure sounds to me like they are saying that the world is ending in 2-3 years. If that’s not the church’s position, then they should be more clear about that.
As for me personally, from your posts it looks like we both study the Bible intensely and you love your gods as much as I love my God.
If you think I don’t understand World Mission Society correctly, why don’t you explain it to me by answering the questions I’ve had that have been avoided by other church members.
If there are “lies” circulating about the WMSCOG, wouldn’t it be good to clear them up?
Try these sites:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
and
http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/
Remember 1 Pet. 3:15
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect
By: genny on April 7, 2010
at 3:38 pm
ITS SIMPLE AND CLEAR, THEIR IS NO OTHER CHRIST THAT FULFILLED PROPHECIES, AND IS SCATTERED ALL OVER THE WORLD, THE BIBLES DEEEPEST SECRETS HAVE BEEN REVEALED, WE HAVE A HEAVENLY MOTHER, NO TO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, WE KEEP THE SABBATH DAY, WE KEEP PASSOVER, WE KEEP THE 7 FEAST, WE PREACH, WE VOLUNTEER ALOT, HONESTLY, I NEVER LIKED VOLUNTEERING, BUT THIS TRUTH IS SO DEEP, I JUST GET UP AND GO! LIKE BOOM! OUT THE DOOR. ITS NOT DIFFICULT, TRUTH IS VERY HARD TO ACCEPT, I REALLY DONT KNOW WHY, WHEN ITS ALL OVER THE HOLY BIBLE, KJV NIN
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:33 pm
YA GENNY, NO THE CHURCH OF GOD DOES NOT PROPHESY ABOUT ((((2012)))) THATS IRRELEVANT, YOU KNOW THE SCRIPTURES, NO ONE KNOWS THE TIME OR THE HOUR, NOT EVEN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN, DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, WHY WOULD SATAN PERSECUTE THE CHURCH OF GOD, IF IT WASNT REAL, 2000 YEARS AGO, THE SAME THING, NOW I KNOW HOW THE 12 DISCIPLES FELT, THEY WERE PRECHING JESUS THE CHRIST, BUT THEY WERE USED TO THE LAW OF MOSES, SO IN THEIR EYES, JESUS, AND THE 12 DISCIPLES WERE NOBODIES, THEY BLENDED IN WITH THE PRISONERS AND DRUNKS, JESUS WASNT ALL BLUE EYES AND A BRIGHT WHITE GOWN, THE HEBREWS 2000 YEARS AGO WERE DARK LIKE ARABIANS, NO ONE LOOKED AT JESUS AND SAW A WHITE HANDSOME MAN, AND SAID….OOOOH, HE’S THE CHRIST” NO….. THEY WERE LIKE, GET THIS FILTHY BEGGAR OUT OF HERE, HE WAS HOMELESS, SAME THING TODAY, PEOPLE CANT SEE YOUR SOUL, IF YOUR SOUL IS STAINED, HAVNT BEEN TO CHURCH IN A WHILE, NO ONE CAN SEE IT, BUT IF JESUS’ SOUL WAS TOP COME OUT OF HIS SKIN, EVERYBODY WHOS SEES HIM, WOULD DIE, ONLY MOSES WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO GOD, THE ISRAELITES BLOCKED THEIR FACES, THEY KNEW THEY WOULD DIE, BUT MOSES WAS ACCEPTABLE IN GODS EYES, BECAUSE HE WAS OBEDIANT, OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE, YOU KNOW LIKE, WHEN YOU CALL YOUR DOG AND HE DONT LISTEN, YOU DONT REALLY CARE IF YOUR DOG COMES OR NOT, BUT YOU JUST WANNA SEE IF YOUR DOG LISTENS, WILL THIS ANIMAL OBEY ME IS THE QUESTION, GOD WANTS OBEDIANCE, NOT SACRIFICE, EVEN MERCY IS DESIRED MORE THAN SACRIFICE, GOD WANTS US TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS, NOT BECAUSE GOD NEEDS US A CERTAIN PLACE AT A CERTAIN TIME, BUT BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GIVE VOICE TO HIS SHEEP, TO SEE WHICH ONES ARE HIS, IF THEIRS A GOAT IN THE HERD, TOSS THAT THING OUT, GOATS ARE THE OPPOSITE OF SHEEP, THEY DONT LITEN TO HUMAN VOICES, THEY WALK ON MOUNTAINS, AND CLIFFS, DANGEROUS, THEY ARE CONSIDERED SATANS CHILDREN ARE REFERRED TO IN THE BIBLE AS GOATS, BECAUSE THEIR SCATTERED, AND, FOR THE LAST AND GREAT DAY OF THE FEAST, SINCE THE OLD TESTAMENT, GOD WOULD TRANSFER ALL THE ISRAELITES SINS TO A GOAT, THEN LET IT GO IN THE DESERT, TO DIE, BUT THAT WAS PROPHECY ABOUT TODAYS LAST AND GREAT DAY OF THE FEAAST,,,,BUT…..WE DONT HAVE GOATS, ON THE LAST AND GREATEST DAY OF THE FEAST, GOD TAKES OUR SINS AND PUTS THEM ON SATAN, HE IS THE REALITY OF THE GOAT, JESUS IS THE REALITY OF THE LAMB, MAKES SENSE, YA BECAUSE GOD CANNOT JUST TAKE AWAY OUR SINS, OUR SINS ARE SO FILTHY, GOD CANT TOUCH THEM, GOD IS PURE, CANT STAIN THAT PURE WHITE LINEN, SO…..GOD TRANSFERS ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS SINS TO SATAN ON THE LAST DAY OF THE FEAST, AND HE JUST ROCKS OUR SINS, UNTIL, YOU KNOW HOW THE GOAT WAS PUT TO DEATH IN THE DESERT, WELL OUR SINS WILL DIE WITH HIM IN THE LAKE OF FIRE ON THE JUDGMENT DAY!
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 7:48 pm
Hi again, Child of God,
I just read your post that said,
“HIS COMMANDS ARE, THE SEVEN FEAST, SABBATH AND [PASSOVER ARE INCLUDSED IN THE 7 FEAST, THE 7TH DAY, KEEP IT HOLY, THATS IT, ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, THE FEASTS, DONT COME AROUND VERY OFTEN, JUST SATURDAY, HAVE TO KEEP, SATURDAY, ”
Doesn’t the WMSCOG say that the veil is also a required commandment, as well as every other commandment, no matter how small it seems?
So are you saying that out of all God’s commands, the only ones we really have to keep are the Sabbath (Saturday) and the seven feasts?
I don’t have to worry about any of the other stuff, not even the things Jesus talked about in Matthew 5 and 6? Because that would be a relief!
but really, what about Matthew chapters 5 and 6?
Do not look at another with lustful thoughts…Do not be angry with another…give to the one who asks you (anyone?)…love your enemy…do not worry…
Don’t we have to keep those commandments?
Or are they not important because no one really sees them and they are too hard to keep all day, every day?
By: genny on April 7, 2010
at 4:01 pm
HEY GENNY, YE, ALL WE GOTTA DO IS KEEP, THE SABBATH DAY, AND THE SEVEN FEASTS, THE PASSOVER IS THE FIRST FEAST, SO ITS INCLUDED, SOUNDS EASY BUT THINGS GET HARD, YOU GOTTA PREPARE THE DAY BEFORE “ALWAYS” OR YOU SLIP, YEAH, THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT WOMEN HAVE TO COVER THEIR HEADS, WITH A VEIL, MAN I KEEP FORGETTING THE SCRIPTURE IM TIRED, BUT GOTTA DO THIS, YE, LOVE YOUR NEIGBOR, WE GOTTA PRACTICE ALL THAT, ON OUR OWN, THE FEASTS WILL BE THE ICING ON THE CAKE, DID YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU KEEP THE FEAST, YOU KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ALSO, NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THIS, BUT MOSES SMASHED THE TABERNACLES ON THE FLOOR WHEN HE GOT MAD RIGHT, WHEN HE SEEN THEM DANCING AROUND A CALF, HE MUSTA BEEN MORE HEATED, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE 7 FEASTS WERE WRITTEN IN THE BACK OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, THATS REAL, THATS WHY MOSES GOT HEATED, HE SPENT BOUT WHAT, HOW LONG, LIKE A WEEK, OR TWELVE DAYS, NO FOOD, NO DRINK, CARVING LAWS FOR GODS PEOPLE, TO COME DOWN, AND SEE THEM DANCING AROUND IDOLATRY, THAT WAS PROPHECY ABOUT THE DARK AGES, WHE MOSES SLAMMED THE TABERNACLES, THAT WAS LIKE PROPHECY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, TAKING AWAY GODS FEASTS, THE PEOPLE DANCING AROUND THE CALF WAS PROPHECY ABOUT THERE WAS NO SALVASTION DURING THE DARK AGES, AND PEOPLE WERE WORSHIPPING IDOLS, STATUES, CROSSES, WHATEVER THE CATHEDRAL HAD TO OFFER, OH YEAH IT WAS 12 DAYS HE WAS UP THERE, CUZ HE WENT UP THERE AGAIN, I DONT KNOW HOW HE DID IT TWICE CLIMING A HUGE MOUNTAN, NO FOOD, MAN GOD GOT EVERYTHING SET FOR US, OH I THINK THE TWELVE DAYS REPRESENTED THE 1200 YEARS WE GODE HANDED THE SAINTS OVER TO SATAN, BOOK OF DAMIEL, FORGOT WHICH VERSE TIRED, BUT TRIP OUT, DID YOU KNOW THAT WHEN MOSES CAUGHT THEM WORSHIPPING THE GOLD CALF, THEY DIVIDED, AND THE ISRAELITES THAT CHOSE MOSES SIDE, GOD GAVE THEM THE POWER AND ORDER TO KILLL THE REST OF THE CONGREGATION, THAT WAS PROPHECY ABOUT THESE LAST DAYS, WORSHIP IDOLS, AND GOD WILL SLAY US, NO MERCY WHEN IT COMES TO IDOLATRY, IT GETS DEEPER, IDOLATRY IS CLOSER TO US THAN YOU THINK, ANYTHING YOU PUT BEFORE GOD, IS IDOLATRY, MISSING SABBATH IS IDOLATRY, AND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, A MAN MISSED SABBATH, THE LORD TOLD MOSES TO KILL HIM, SO THAT THE FUTURE GENERATION WILL BE MORE CAREFUL AND DILLIGENT TO KEEP GODS DECREES, WERE WALKING THRU THE SPIRITUAL DESERT RIGHT NOW, IF WE DONT OBEY GOD, SAME THING HAPPENS TO US THAT HAPPEN BACK WHEN, (OT) ONLY TWO ORIGIANL ISRAELITES MADE IT TO THE PROMISED LAND, THE REST WERE BORN IN THE DESERT, YUNG BUCKS, SEE THE PAST IS A SHADOW OF TODAY, DID YOU KNOW THAT IT TOOK DAYS TO PASS THE RED SEA, WHEN IT SPLIT OPEN, I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 30 MINUTES, WHEN I WAS YOUNG, DAYS, JUST TO CROSS THAT RED SEA, BUT THE JEWS KEPT ON COMPLAINIG, GOD GAVE THEM A MIRACLE, STILL COMPLAING, THEY DIED, THEY GRUMBLED, THEY DIED, THAT COUPLE WHO CHEATED ON THIER SPOUSE, PUT TO DEATH, THE WAS A REVELATION ABOUT SEXUAL IMMORALITY, YOU DO IT, YOU DIE, DID YOU KNOW THAT A DAY IN HEAVEN IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS ON EARTH, DOWN HERE IT TOOK 7000 YEARS TO ACCOMPLISH THE BIBLE, IN HEAVEN SEVEN DAYS” NOW CAN YOU SEE HOW FAST TIME PASSES, MAN, WERE LITERALLY WAITING FOR A LIKE FRACTION OF A DAY TO PASS IN HEAVEN FOR JUDGMENT, FRACTION OF A DAY, A DAY, BUT DOWN HERE, YOU NEVER SEEN IT, IN THE BIBLE, A DAY IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS ON EARTH
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 7:24 pm
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HEAVEN?
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:05 pm
YES GENNY, THE VEIL IS IN THE BIBLE, IM SO TIRED, I WILL FIND IT, BROTHERS ON HEAR WILL VOUCH THAT, AND THE QUESTION ABOUT LOVE EACH OTHER AS YOUR NEIBOR, AND LOVE YOUR ENEMY, ARE LAWS FOR OUR WELL BEING, BUT THEY ARE NOT FESTIVALS, LIKE THE SABBATH, PASSOVER TAND THE 7 FEASTS
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 4:28 pm
WELL THIS IS IT FOR ME, NOW I KNOW WHY MOTHER SAID NOT TO GO ON THESE RIDICULOUS SITES, I WILL NEVER COME ON HERE AGAIN, TO THOSE WHO BLOGG ON HERE JUST TO RIDICULE, GET A LIFE!! OR A CHURCH!! I FEEL SORRY FOR ANYONE WHO PUTS DOWN A RELIGION AND ACTUALLY STAYS UP TILL 2 IN THE MORNING TRYING TO PISS OFF COG MEMBERS, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR PITIFUL LIVES IF THIS IS WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO, WELL, AS FOR ME, I TRULY FEEL THAT BROS AND SISS SHOULD NOT COME ON THIS BLASPHEMUS SITE ANYMORE, JUST AS MOTHER SAID, SHOUDVE LISTENED TO MY MOTHER, IM SO HAPPY, GOD IS IN THE FLESH AND SHE LOVES ME, THIS IS THE BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPEND TO ME, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A SLAVE AND DID NOT HAVE TRUTH TO SET ME FREE, I WAS KINDA STUCK, BUT NOW IM SO SO HAPPY, FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS I HAVE HAD IN THE CHURCH HAVE BEEN MY BEST YEARS, YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING OUT ON THE REAL DEAL, STAY OUT THERE WITH THE DOGS, MISS PASSOVER AND THE FEASTS, AND SABBATH DAY, GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR WHATEVER YOU DO IN LIFE, IM HAPPY, I HAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO GET TO HEAVEN,,,, WHILE MOST OF YOU LIVE IN THAT LITTLE HOLE OF DOUBT, KEEP THINKING GOD WILL SAVE YOU IF YOU JUST BELEIVE OR WHATEVER, IM TELLING YOU GUYS STREIGHT OUT, NO GIMMICS, I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, I DONT JUST OPEN MY MOUTH CUZ I HAVE ONE, THIS SITE IS NEGATIVE, SO I KNOW ITS NOT GODLY, IM SET FREE, COD MEMBERS ARE SURE OF THERE SALVATION, BECAUSE WE FOLLOW GODS LAWS, NOT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN, KEEP PRAYING TO LITTLE DOLLS, AND KEEP DOING THE SIGN OF THE CROSS, KEEP SAYING YOUR LITTLE WISHES THAT NO ONE HEARS, I TRIED, I GAVE EVERYONE SCRIPTURES AND A LITTLE SELF WORDING, I THINK ITS ALSO THE INTERNET, YOU PEOPLE ACT HOSTILE OVER THE INTERNET, BUT WHEN GOD IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU SEE A WOMAN, STAIRING AT ALL OF YOU WHO PERSECUTE, JUST KNOW, THAT YOUR PRETTY MUCH DONE, BECAUSE IM 1 MILLION PERCENT SURE OF WHAT IM SAYING, THE REASON PEOPLE THINK IM RUDE IS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IM TELLING THE TRUTH, SO GOD IS WITH ME, AS LONG AS I DONT CURSE, OR GET PERSONAL WITH YOU PEOPLE, MOTHER IS WITH ME, SHE CAN SEE ALL THINGS, I LOVE HER, I’LL DIE FOR HER, SHES MY MOTHER, SO MANY CRAZY THINGS HAVE HAPPEND TO ME IN MY LIFE THAT LED ME TO HER, I HAVE SEEN SOMETHING BUT I CANNOT TELL YOU GUYS, BUT YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH, UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY STUDY, GO TO A CHURCH, TEST ME, DO THEY KEEP SATURDAY, MARK 16:1 THE 1ST DAY, RESURREC TION SUNDAY IS AFTER THE 7TH DAY, SATURDAY, DO THEY KEEP PASSOVER, 7 FEAST? DO YOU HAVE A SPIRITUAL MOTHER, UNTIL YOU FIND A CHURCH THAT HOLDS THESE TESTIMONIES YOU WILL ONLY FIND YOUR LIFE MEANINGLESS. I KNOW WHAT YOU PEOPLE DO, MEANINGLESS, IM PASSED THAT LEVEL, IM IN THE AGE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, WORSHIPPING TRUE GOD, THE THE AGE OF THE SON, 2 THOUSAND YEARS AGO, UPGRADE, COME ON, LEARN MORE, READ, YOU THINK IM GONNA READ SOMETHING FOR SEVEN YEARS AND NOT UNDERSTAND IT, WHY DO YOU THINK IVE BEEN IN THE CHURCH OF GOD FOR SEVEN YEARS, BECAUSE THEIRS ALWAYS A NEW STUDY, OR BOOK FROM OUR HEAD PASTOR, JUST MOTIVATIONG US, NOT DOCTRINES, IVE ALREADY BEEN WERE YOU PEOPLE ARE AT, BELIEVE IN JESUS, YOU WILL BE SAVE, AND THATS IT, IM PASSED THAT LEVEL, I FEEL SO BLESSED,AMAZING THINGS HAPPEN TO ME EVERYDAY OF MY LIFE, GOD IS BESTOWING THEIR BLESSING ON ME CONSTANTLY, I USED TO LIVE A LIFE ID RATHER NOT MENTION, HAVING MOTHER AND FATHER IS THE GREATEST THING THAT EVER HAPPEND TO ME, I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT AND LOOK FOR ANY DISCREPANCY TO ANNOUNCE ON THE WORLD WIDE WEBB, IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS, THEN WHY ARE YOU BLASPHEMING, SHOULDNT YOU FIND OUT FIRST, I DONT CARE IF BROS AND SISS THINK THAT IM BEING RUDE, WHEN JOHN AND TIMOTHY PREACHED, THEY SCREAMED THEIR LUNGS OUT, WITH FORCE, WHEN JESUS PREACHED, HE WAAS SCREAMING HIS LUNGS OUT, BECAUSE JUST LIKE TODAY, PEOPLE GET RAGED OVER RELIGION, EVERYONE THINKS THAT THEY ARE RIGHT, OR THAT THEY HAVE GOD, THE SECOND YOU MAKE YOURSELF HUMBLE, GOD WILL COME TO YOU, SOME PEOPLE BLOCK HEAVENS PATH ON BY THEMSELVES, GOD KNOWS YOUR HEARTS, WHY WOULD SOME PEOPLE HURT US LIKE THAT, I LOVE MY PARENTS AND MY FAMILY AND MY HOME, WE ARE STRANGERS ON THIS PLANET, WE BELONFG IN HEAVEN, JESUS, WARNED US, EXPECT THE WORLD TO HATE US, AND ITS TRUE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS THING ARE AGAINST THE COG, ITS OBVIOUS IM IN THE RIGHT PLACE, PLUS I HAVE HAD TOO MUCH EVIDENCE THAT MOTHER AND FATHER ARE THE TRUE CHRIST IN THESE LAST DAYS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW SURE I AM, I FEEL BAD FOR EVERYONE, BUT MOTHER FEELS WORSE, BUT IF YOU GUYS WANNA SHUT HEAVENS DOOR AND GO BACK TO NOTHING, JUST BELEIVE, OR COMMUNION, THE ENTIRE BIBLE TESTIFIES ABOUT GODS LAWS, NO OTHER CHURCH, KEEPS THE 7 FEAST, I PUT THAT DOWN ON EVERYTHING I LOVE, TEST ME, COME ON, IM NOT SCARED, I KNOW WHAT IM SAYING, ARE YOU SCARED? THERE IS NO OTHER CHURCH THAT KEEPS THE PASSOVER ACCORDING TO SACRED CALLENDAR, DONT LET THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN FLY PASSED YOUR NOSES, THIS IS IT!!!!! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS NEAR, REPENT!!! THEIR IS NO OTHER CITY OF REFUGE, WHEN NORHT KOREA BOMB HITS, ((((WE DONT KNOW WHEN)))) ONLY FATHER KNOWS######### I TELL YOU THIS FOR YOUR BENEFIT, MY BACK HURTS MY EYES HURT BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT SOME OF YOU, ,,, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE LOST, AND THAT BREAKS MY HEART, IM JUST GOT TIRED OF BEING AIMLESS LIKEA LEAF IN THE WIND, WHERE ARE YOU GOING, WHY DO PEOPLE SMOKE, WHY DO PEOPLE DRINK, I KNOW WHY!!!!!! BECAUSE THEY’RE BLIND, REMEMBER GOD CAME TO GIVE THE BLIND SIGHT, AND TAKE AWAY SIGHT FROM THOSE THAT SEE, WAKE UP!!! THIS IS IT, SUNDAY SERVICE, IM PAST THAT, JUST BELEIVE, PASSED THAT, SCIENTOLOGY, PASSED THAT, WEIRD ANALOGIES, PASSED THAT, UPGRADE YOUR BRAIN MATTER, COME WITH IT, READ THE ENTIRE BIBLE, AND YOU WILL NOTICE ALOT OF THINGS YOU NEVER NOTICED, IM 28 YEARS OLD, IM DONE WITH LIVING CHILDISH, PEOPLE RESPECT ME NOW, I DONT PLAY GAMES ANYMORE, I JUST STUDY, AND THERES ALWAYS MORE, OTHER CHURCHES,,,,, IM PASSED THAT, HEARD WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY, NONSENSE, AND THEOPRIES THAT NEVER CLICKED IN MY HEAD, WHY DO YOU THINK WE HAVE SO MANY MEMBERS, BECAUSE THIS TRUTH EITHER CUTS YOU INTO PEICES, OR GIVES YOU LIFE, WE ALWAYS GET RIDICULED, EXTRA RIDICULE, MORE THAN ANY RELIGION IVE EVER SEEN, JEHOVAS GET TREATED BETTER,,,,,BUT,,,,,WHEN SOMEONE BELIEVES, THEIR IN, THERE ONE OF US, THEY BECOME A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST, I ALREADY BUSTED OUT WITH MAD SCRIPTURES, DOESNT WORK ON LINE FOR SOME REASON, I THINK THAT THERES JUST A BUNCH OF KIDS ON HERE PISSING COG MEMBERS OFF, BECAUSE SATAN CAN CONTROL KIDS WITH THE SNAP OF A FINGER, IM ON A THIN LINE HERE, IM TRYING TO SPIT KNOWLEDGE AT YOU, BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT TAKE THIS SERIOUS, THEY THINK THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND THEM, ITS NOT ABOUT YOU, ITS ABOUT YOUR SOUL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR IT, ARE YOU 100% SURE YOUR GOING TO HEAVEN HOW CAN YOU BE CONFIDENT YOUR GOING TO HEAVEN, ARE YOU TAKING STEPS OR DIRECTIONS, CUZ IF NOT, YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME, ,,,,WHY DO YOU THINK IM ON THIS,,,,YOU THINK I HAVE NO LIFE,,,,,,I GOT HOMEWORK IM IN COLLEGE, I DIDNT DO MY HOMEWORK BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET SOME POINTS ACROSS TONIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IM IN PAIN, NNNNN BECAUSE I CARE, I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE, THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT TO LEARN ABOUT 2ND COMING, IF WE TRY TO TELL YOU ONLINE, YOU ‘LL NEVER GET THE FULL EFFECT, SO I DONT BLAME SOME OF YOU, IM MY EYES, ALL OF YOU ARE INNOCENT, I DONT KNOW WHAT GOD THINKS OF YOU, BUT I KNOW FIR SUYRE!!!! WHT GOD THINKS OF ME, BECAUSE I HAVE GUIDELINES I MUST TAKE WITH PRECAUTION, SO I KNOW WHEN IM MESSING UP, THATS REAL LIFE STUFF RIGHT THERE, ITS NOT ABOUT 1 HOUR AT CHURCH THEN POOF!!! EVERYBODYS GHOST, ITS ABOUT KEEPING THE SABBATH DAY, AS LONG AS YOU WANT, YOU LEAVE EARLY, NO ONE DRAGS ANYONE AROUND, DONT LISTEN TO NEGATIVE PHRASES, IF YOU DO, YOU’LL NEVER FIND TRUTH OR HAPPINESS, CUZ SATAN KNOWS OUR WEAKNESSES, YOU MUST BE 10 STEPS AHEAD OF HIM, HE WANTS YOU GUYS TO BELIEVE IN SOME ANY KIND OF RELIGION, ANYTHING BUT THE RIGHT ONE, IM SORRY IF I GOT A LITTLE ANGRY TONIGHT, IM JUST A FIRM MAN OF BELEIF, AND I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, I TRIED IT ALL, TRUST ME, BUDDHASM, DIDNT LIKE IT, CATHOLIC, MY WHOLE LIFE, THE PREIST ASKED ME AWKWARD QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING SICK, THEY CALL THEMSELVES FATHER, THATS WRITTEN, THEY HAVE STATUES AND IDOLS EVERYWHERE, THATS WRITTEN, I TRIED REGULAR CHRISTIANITY, MY LITTLE SISTER GOT KIDNAPPED BY A PASTOR, AND HE GOT 5 YEARS IN PRISON, AND WHEN THE JUDGE ASKED HIM WHY HE DID IT, HE SAID BECAUSE HE’S SAVED ALREADY, IM COO….I DONT NEED TO WALK AROUND SAYING IM SAVED CUZ I’L BE DEAD IN 2 YEARS Walking around like that, ONLY THE CHURCH OF GOD TAMED ME, AND MADE ME HUMBLE, BUT WHATEVER, ITRIED AS ALWAYS, IM USED TO PEOPLE NOT LISTENING, ACTING DUMB, NOT SERIOUS, ITS ALL THE SAME, BUT LIKE I SAID, WHETEVER WORKD FOR YOU, BUST IT, IT WAS A NICE TIME CHATTING WITH YOU ALL, NICE TO MEET EVERYBODY, IM NEVER COMING ON THIS SITE AGAIN, I JUST DID IT BECAUSE THATS MY MENTALITY, THATS WHY GOD CHOSE ME, IM ACTUALLY TRYING TO REACH OUT TO ALL OF YOU, I LOVE ALL OF YOU, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS A GOOD MIND TO SEEK GOD, THATS OKAY, SOME PEOPLE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD AT ALL, SO, OH WELL, I TIRED, GOD BLESS YOU PEOPLE, SORRY JAIME IF I CAME AT YOU KINDA HARSH, I DO HAVE TO RESPECT YOUR BLOGG, SORRY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU, STAY POSITIVE, LIFE IS 2 SHORT, ESPECIALLY IN THESE LAST DAYS, GOD BLESS, TAKE CARE, FORGIVE ME IF I CAME OFF KINDA TENSE, IM JUST MAD BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE CHURCH OF GOD IS ALL ABOUT LOVE, AND UNITY, MY EMAIL IS mallorykeith@yahoo.com, FEEL FREE TO HIT ME UP, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE COG, I WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED, BUT LISTEN TO YOURSELF, NOT OTHERS, WHAT YOU FEEL INSIDE, JUST TRY, LET GO OF EVERYTHING FOR A SECOND, AND JUST LISTEN TO YOUR SOULS CRY FOR THE WATER OF LIFE…… DONT KEEP CHASING THE WIND, IVE BEEN THERE, PARTYING, BUNK RELATIONSHIPS, ANGER, DRUGS, PRIDEFUL ATTITUDE, WANTING TO BE THE BEST, FILLING YOUR BELLY UP WITH EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING, ITS ALL DEATH MAN, JUST GORGING ON LIFE IS BAD, SLOW DOWN, JOG, READ THE BIBLE, LISTEN TO YOUR PARENTS, YOU DONT WANNA END UP IN A SITUATION THAT IVE BEEN IN A GANG OF TIMES, HOMELESS, JAIL, HOSPITALIZED, FRACTURED BONES, THE L.A JUNGLE, YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING, AINT NO TELLIN WHAT COULD HAPPEN, WEAR PROTECTION, SAY NO TO DRUGS AND LIQOUR, SAY NO TO GANGS, 4 SURE THAT, NO FUTURE RIGHT THERE, AND IF THE WORLD ENDS, AT LEAST U KNOW YOU DID YOUR BEST, AND GOD WILL SEE THAT, FORGET THE CENTER OF ATTENTION, FORGET SEXUAL IMMORALITY, BE A ROBOT LIKE ME, ITS EASIER, I SAY NO TO EVERYTHING NOW, NO SEX, NOTHING, I BROKE UP WITH MY CHICK A WHILE BACK BECAUSE SHE WASNT SUPPORTING MY SPIRITUAL GOALS, AND SHE LOVED TO FIGHT, FORGET ALL THAT, FORGET FAME, YA I CAME OUT ON AN ALBUM, CAME OUT IN STORES, BEFORE I LEARNED THE TRUTH, HIP HOP SHOWS, FREESTYLES ALL THAT, BUT NOW I LAVE AND PULL MY BEARD, AND I SEE YUNGSTERS IN THE PREVIOUS STATE I WAS IN, EVEN WORSE, CUZ AT LEAST I WAS OUT THERE, PEOPLE KNEW ME, MAN, I HAD TO DITCH, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, IF I WOULDVE HUNG ON TO THEM, I WOULD BE A SLAVE, AND I WOULD BE DOING ALL THOSE BAD HABITS I USED TO DO, I DOPNT WANT TO GET INTO MY PAST, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT I BEEN THERE, THE POPULAR, CHIC MAGNET, OUTGOING TALENTED, DEVOTED MC, BUT I LEFT ALL THAT BEHIND BECAUSE OF THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE, NEVERMIND KOREA AND ALL THAT, LET GO OF THAT FOR A SECOND, SEE….I GO BY THE BIBLE, THATS WHAT DREW ME, TO THE COG, THEY KEEP EVERYTHING THAT JESUS KEPT, I USED TO BE A JESUS FREAK, BUT WHEN I WAS HOMELESS ONE NIGHT, AFTER I STARTED FADING AWAY FROM THE GAME, I WENT FROM ON TOP, TO HOMELESS, I WAS PRAYING TO JESUS, IN AN ABANDONED DARK BUILDING, AND I GOT ATTACKED BY TO DEMONS, WITH DEEP VOICES, I THOUGHT IT WAS A PITBULL OR SOMETHING, THEIR ENERGY WAS SO STRONG, AND WHEN I STUDIED MORE I REALIZED THAT JESUS HAS BEEN WORKING SOO HARD WHILE IT JUST FLEW PASSED US, ITS A NEVER ENDING STORY, BUT, TRIP OUT, I BECAME HOMELESS BECAUSE, ALL MY LIFE I LIVED OFF HOMIES, WOMEN, GEES, PRODUCERS, FAMILY, CUZ I WAS WILD, DOING EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING, I NEVER REALIZED HOW WILD I WAS UNTIL I SETTLED DOWN, SO…..BASICALLY, WHEN I WENT TO THE CHURCH OF GOD, I STARTED TELLING PEOPLE, BUT THEY HAD IT TWISTED, THEY THOUGHT THAT I WENT SOFT, AND THAT I WAS EVEN MORE LOONIER THAN I WAS BEFORE, SO I BECAME LESS VIOLENT, BUT MY ADDICTION WAS STILL THERE, PREACHING AND BAD HABITS, THE WORST
COMBINATION, IMMA KEEP IT REAL, I DONT CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF ME, THE FIRST 3 YEARS I WAS IN THE CHURCH, NO ONE WANTED TO GO TO CHURCH WITH ME, EVERYOINES ALL THUG LIFE WOOTY WOO, MAN THEY TRIED TO STABB ME IN THE FACE, AND THE KNIFE CLOSED ON THIS DUDES HAND AND HE CUT HIMSELF, I WOULDVE LOST MY EYE OR DIED, CUZ IT WAS A PRETTY LONG SWITCH BLADE, BUT GOD SAVED ME, THATS JUST A LIL ABOUT ME, IM DONE RUNNING THE STREETS, I DID IT ALL, I WAS REAL BAD PERSON, I USE TO WANT TO DIE, AND I ALWAYS PICKED FIGHTS, HOPING I COULD MAKE THE FRONT PAPER, BUT GOD HAS CALLED ME, TO REDEEM US FROM THIS POINTLESS WORLD, EVERYTHING IS MEANINGLESS, YOU WAKE UP, THEN GO TO SLEEP, YOU WAKE UP, THEN EAT, BUT NOW, IM LIKE, WHATS THE LATEST AT THE CHURCH OF GOD, EVERYTIME I GO, BROTHERS WELCOME, THE ONLY CHURCH I EVER BEEN TO WHERE REAL CATS LIKE ME HAVE LET GO OF THE GAME ALSO, WE ACTUALLY CAN RELATE AND REJOICE, SO….IMMA LEAVE IT AT THAT, THERES SO MUCH MORTE BUT LIKE I SAID, I GOTTA HAVE RESPECT FOR JAIMEES BLOGG, EVEN THOUGH IM OFFENDED. IM SENSITIVE WITH THIS, GOD SAVED MY LIFE, I SHOULDA BEEN DEAD, WELL I GOT STABBED AND I GOT 14 SCREWS IN MY FACE, BUT IT LOOKS TIGHT, YOU CANT REALLY TELL, GOOD DOCTOR, AND I WANNA LEAVE AT, SAY NO TO DRUGS, SEX UNLESS YOUR MARRIED AND ALCOHOL, AND NEGATIVE PEOPLE, YOUR FUTURE LIFE SPIRITUALLY IS MORE IMPORTANT TAHN ANYTHING, I DONT CARE ABOUT MY SCARS TATTOOS OR WHATEVER CAN KILL THE BODY, I FEAR WHAT CAN KILL THE SOUL, FORGET ME, FORGET US, WERE ALL MEDIOKER, EVEN ACTORS GOT MEDIOKER LOOKS, FORGET THAT, FORGET LOOKING THUG, ALL THAT, ACCEPT YOUR FLAWS, AND BUILD FROM WITHIN, UNDER THE SURFACE, YOUR SOUL WILL SAVE YOU, NOT YOUR FLESH, LET GO,,,,,,,LET GO,,,,THERES ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER THAN US AT WHATEVER, LET GO, WE ARE NOTHING BUT GODS CHILDREN THATS IT, DONT BE A KING OF THE EARTH, PUT YOUR TREASURES IN HEAVEN, MY BAD, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW, THAT THESE ISSUES ARE REALLY CRUCIAL, NOTHING TO PLAY WITH, LIKE PLAYING WITH FIRE, BUT WAKE UP, HELP YOUR PARENTS, BE SUBMISSIVE TO YOUR WIFE, DONT BLOW UP, CONTROL YOURSELF, AND REMEMBER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT DID YOU GET OUT OF IT,…FATTER, UGLIER, ANGRIER, WHEN YOU WAKE UP, TELL YOURSELF HOW YOU WANNA GO TO SLEEP, IN SHAPE, HAPPY, ACCOMPLISHED, HEALTHY, AND MAKE IT HAPPEN , DAY BY DAY, I KNOW I AINT NO ONE TO DROP GAME LIKE THAT ON NO ONE, BUT IM JUST FEELING IT RIGHT NOW, I LIKE TO DEDICATE MY TIME TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE NOW, EVEN IF MY NECK HURTS LIKE RIGHT NOW, MAYBE I COULD CHANGE SOMEONES THOUGHTS, JUST THINK, DO YOU REALLY WANNA DO THAT TOMMOROW, IS IT POSITIVE, IF NOT, SHAKE IT, BE DIFFERENT, GROW YOUR HAIR, BELEIVE IN WHAT YOU BELEIVE, MAKE YOUR PATH SUFFICENT AND SURE, DONT FOLLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE HEADED FOR DESTRUCTION, GOD IS CALLING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, EVEN THE KID THAT CURSING BAD WORDS, AN WHAT NOT, GOD IS FORGIVING BUT STERN, BE SURE IF YOU DO IT, DO IT ALL THE WAY, TEST YOURSELF, SAY NO TO EVERYTHING, AND WATCH HOW YOUR ATTITUDE CHANGES, STOP SAYING YES, STOP BLAZING, IT DOESNT DO ANY THING FOR YOU, TOMMORROW ITS GONE SO WHATS THE POINT, FORGET FUN, BECAOME A CHILD OF GOD, A GOSPEL WORKER WHO CARES WHAT PEOPLE SAY, BE YOURSELF, HIT ME UP, I GOT PLENTY OF ADVICE, YOU WONT MEET TOOO MANY PEOPLE LIKE ME, EVERYBODY IS ON SELF SURVIVAL MODE, NOPE, IM THINKING ABOUT YOU, I USED TO RAP FOR THE YUNGSTERS, BUT THE OLD ME, REST IN PEACE, GODS TRUTH IS TO SHARP TO PLAY WITH, ALRIGHT, IF ANYONE READ THIS, THEN YOU ARE ONE COOL PERSON ,MAN, DONT BE SHY, ASK ME ANYTHING, IM HERE FOR YOU, STUDIES QUESTIONS, LIFE QUESTIONS, STORIES, WHATEVER, JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID, EVERYTHING IS POINTLESS, PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY, IT REALLY CONTROLS YOU, DONT BE A SLAVE TO ANYTHING, BE FREE, OT BE A SLAVE TO THE GOSPEL, GOD BLESS EVERYBODY, MY NAMES KEITH, IM FROM THE CHURCH OF GOD, HIT ME UP, EVERYBODY COUNTS TO ME……GOD BLESS HAVE A GOOD DAY, SAY NO, BE STRONG, AND GOD WILL CALL YOU.
By: A CHILD OF GOD on April 7, 2010
at 6:42 pm
wow…relax ur ball sacks kristian mallory
I was apart of the COG once, always a cheerful giver, i always give more than 10% to my tithes each and every week, even though I don’t have alot of money.I even look forward to the day i hand in my tithes.
I gave so much of my time to the church, I even drive around to pick up new brothers and sisters so they can attend service, all from my own expense. Not once did i complain or say no. I spent each sabbath day doing 4 hours of driving so they can attend worship.
I even prepared lunch for the church on many occasions. I was even given the position of section leader for youth brothers, but i declined. My faith just went out the window when the church start telling me all the things i mentioned on my previous posts.
You say that the church don’t pressure poeple? Are you blind? seriously man… You know what i’m talking about, stop trying to hide it…all the people on this blog complain about being pressured when they visited the COG.
I’m actually really fair, i know all the COG doctrine and i have to admit that some people on this blog who prosecute the COG are uneducated even in the most fundamental truths of the bible.
The reason why i decide to leave the COG, is because not of money but because they refuse to answer questions that i believe is very important, questions such as how did ahnsahnghong die, things like this. COG leaders always say lets only pay attention to the bible nothing else matters. To me they’re refusing or hiding these answers, i don’t know. How can i possibly have complete faith when these answers are kept from me.
I’m here on this blog to let people know what the church say or get their members to do. I’m going to let people know all the things i feel is wrong with the church. One of my friend came with me to the church and was pressured into baptism, she later blame me for letting her down and not defending her when the church members were harassing her.
I’m speaking the truth…why would i make up stupid lies.
By: Skyblue on April 7, 2010
at 7:59 pm
God bless you all. Brothers and Sisters in Zion please stop coming to this website or any anti Church of God websites. You all know better that these people don’t really know what they are talking about. Instead invite them to your nearest Zion or set up an appointment with them for face to face Bible study so we could answer all their questions. All questions of these anti Church of God in all of their websites including that new cult watch has been answered so many times but the truth is that they are not willing to accept the truth. All they want is debate in the internet, not really seeking the truth. So please stop flipping web pages and read the Bible yourself. Ask your Pastor in your local Zion if you have doubts or concerns. Anyone is welcome to come to Zion, or the Church of God Gospel workers can visit you right at your own homes or meet in a good place for Bible study. I hope more and more lost Brothers and Sisters will be lead to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother Jerusalem so we can all return to Kingdom of Heaven as soon as possible and fulfill the prophecies in the Bible.
Gal. 4:26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our Mother.
Gal. 4:28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Gal. 4:31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
By: brofromzion on April 7, 2010
at 8:57 pm
“Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” (Col 2:14-16)
Does this verse clearly tell us we are not to be judged on when we worship God or what festival we partake of? Christmas is evil to COG, but God never condemned anyone for partaking of this tradition. If someone worships Santa or the Christmas tree, that’s pagan idolatry and that’s another story. But I don’t know anyone within 2000+ miles from me who does that. It’s just good fun. Yes, people get “merry” and “drunk” and glutton, but people do that outside of Christmas also what’s the difference? They shouldn’t get drunk either way..
In any case, I don’t see God commanding us to worship on the Sabbath day, I see Him telling us to worship and observe the sabbaths and festivals when we so will. If I make my Sabbath Monday or Tuesday because I can’t focus completely on God any other day of the week, of what difference is that? The Sabbath is not some magical date; it is what you make of it. The heart is important, not the numerical number on the calendar.
Furthermore, Zang Gil-Jah is NOT the Holy Spirit. If she were, she’d be at my house right now; God is omnipresent. If He were not, He could not be God. Zang Gil-Jah is God, right? Well, where is she? In Korea? Gee, why doesn’t she spread herself to the world? The Holy spirit is the one who convicts us after all. COG does not believe in a Trinity. How can they when they believe in one God who transforms into different manifestations? If Jehovah’s name is not useful anymore, if the Father is of no use, if Jesus’ name is not applicable, why claim that Ahn Sang Hong is Christ and Zang Gil-Jah is Holy Spirit if they both are God? 2 forms of God who is supposed to be one? Male and female? Wow. I thought God was one and only one with one new name? hmmm.
Here’s the thing: If God were that easy to explain, we would be gods ourselves or HE would not be God. There are 3 and only 3 persons who are God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We call them persons because they each communicate with one another. How can Jesus speak to Himself when in the garden of Gethsemane He claims “Father, if it be Your will….” ? He is speaking to Father God, while He Himself is the second person of the Godhead. Yet they are 1 God, not 3. How is this? We will NEVER know until heaven, because we have human brains and can’t comprehend it. So quit trying to explain it and make it easy to understand. We aren’t meant to understand, we’re only meant to know…
By: Pierce on April 8, 2010
at 12:48 am
Furthermore, about the verses that speak of the “Jerusalem above is free and she is our mother”.. this is speaking on Jerusalem symbolically because Jerusalem is the center of Israel and Judaism. The Jewish law stuck within Judaism convicts the Jews, but the Jerusalem which is above, the new covenant in Christ, the new form of Judaism, this is what is free. Jesus Christ is free. He broke the chains that kept us tied to the law because of sin. Because we are justified in Christ, we have no need of the law to forgive us our sins. Salvation is by GRACE alone. This is not to say we don’t have a responsibility to follow the law; after all, if Christ loved us, we should give the love back and show Him we are a changed generation. Though it is not by works we are saved.
Notice, we are never commanded to celebrate passover or Holy Communion in order to be saved. No, it is only in remembrance and for the reminder that we are sinners who must continue our spiritual battles to sanctification. Nowhere does it say “take eat.. my body.. take drink.. my blood.. and thou shalt be saved”. No, it is through repentance and believing that we are saved from sin through Jesus Christ. That’s the only way. Passover was a Jewish tradition. While we still celebrate it, except in a new way, it is not to be thought of in the same manner. Why do COG follow so many of the Jewish laws when God told Peter to fall away from some of those old mannerisms, and even Paul, a devout Jew, was convinced that Jews should not enforce Jewish law on the Gentiles, but show grace and mercy to all. Why then do Gentiles need to follow Jewish law? All that matters is that we love God first, do His will second, love others 3rd, and follow His commandments in faith. No, not His Jewish laws that He broke down at the cross, but the commandments that He leads us to perfection.
By: Pierce on April 8, 2010
at 1:00 am
Pierce,
Amen to all of that!!
By: genny on April 8, 2010
at 1:32 am
Brofromzion, you *are* still here. That’s good. :)
NOT all of the questions have been answered already. Here are a few:
–What calendar does the WMSCOG use? Celebrating the feasts on the exact right day is important to you, right? But the dates do not match up with either the Rabbinic or Karaite Hebrew calendars, or any other “Biblical” calendar I can find. Why is that?
–If Ahnsahnghong is God, why did he call God’s actions “unjust”?
–Read Deuteronomy 13. Why didn’t God the Father reveal “God the Mother” to the Israelites BEFORE He told them not to worship other gods that they or their fathers have not known?
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Child of God,
Your posts are very difficult to read because of all the CAPS and the lack of spaces between lines. But from what I did read, it looks like you have lots to say and an interesting personal testimony. God can take anything and turn it around for His glory, so I hope all your enthusiam one day gets used to glorify the true God.
Like you, I don’t care for all those pictures portraying Jesus as a “pretty” fair man, especially those that show His agony on the cross with barely any blood as if He hardly suffered. I think the movie “The Passion of the Christ” presented things in a much more realistic way.
But it sounds like you group all Christians, past and present, from all branches–Catholic to Pentecostal–as the same, kind of like movies tend to do. I hope you realize that not everyone regards the cross as some good luck talisman. It is possible for it to be merely a symbol to remind us of Jesus’ sacrifice. Just like my wedding ring is a symbol to remind me of the love and vows my husband and I share. There is a difference between a sculpture of a calf for artistic purposes and an idol of a calf for worship purposes. An idol is what you make it.
I agree that tithing is Biblical. But these reports of members being pressured to give more than what is reasonable concerns me.
I’m here for people like me–ones who have family in the church and want to understand why the WMSCOG doctrine doesn’t ring true with mainstream Christianity, those who need help with how to respond to the strange things they are being told. And for those who are on the fence, who need help finding answers.
I’m not here to convince you or brofromzion or any other WMSCOG member to leave the church. That is a feat that can only be accomplished by God. But you might read some truth that causes you to start thinking and gets you started on the right path.
This is the question everyone whould ask themselves:
IF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS NOT TRUE,
WOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW?
By: genny on April 8, 2010
at 1:22 am
Hi genny. Yes its been answered already not here but in the Zion i go to. I ask all the questions here and from your new website and i got an answer as clear as crystal why you all genny are confused. And if you want answers to all your questions please visit your nearest Zion or we can set up a face to face Bible study in your home or a good place to study the Bible. We don’t answer questions in the internet anymore because there are too many people pretending to be from Church of God but they are not. Also, all you anti Church of God want in the internet is debate and not really seeking the truth. So would you like to have a face to face Bible study genny?
All the glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for revealing the way to Kingdom of Heaven to all God’s true children.
Gal. 4:26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our Mother.
Gal. 4:28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Gal. 4:31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
By: brofromzion on April 8, 2010
at 9:16 am
And Amen to all of that from you, Genny :) Be blessed and stay strong!
By: Pierce on April 8, 2010
at 1:23 pm
Child of God,
Did I read correctly that you said “Jerusalem Mother” is the Holy Spirit?
Just checking, because until now, all the teaching I’ve seen from the WMSCOG is that Ahnsahnghong is the Holy Spirit.
By: genny on April 8, 2010
at 1:39 am
ChildofGod/A Warning From:
if you have to be THAT defensive about your faith, of what importance is your Christ AhnSangHong? My Jesus Christ speaks for Himself through His Word and His Holy Spirit, I am merely His hands and feet on the earth. I don’t prove His existence or need any “evidence book” to prove Him, He proves Himself when a person is convicted enough that they need a Savior.
Another thing: How can Zang Gil-Jah be the Holy Spirit if the Spirit is Spirit; not a physical being? Jesus Christ is physical, and He is Jewish, NOT Korean. If the Holy Bible came from Korea, I would say He were Korean and not Jewish. But could you imagine a German Jesus? An African Jesus? A Latino Jesus? No.. only Jesus, King of the JEWS. Thus, when Christ comes again He will have a spiritually renewed JEWISH body because He was a JEW. Not Asian, not African, not European, but Jewish.
By: Pierce on April 8, 2010
at 4:37 am
Genny: My thoughts exactly. I don’t get it, I was told by a friend I should be baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit’s new name, Christ Ahn-Sang-Hong. But then this same friend tells me of the Heavenly Mother Jerusalem who is the Holy Spirit. There is one and only one Holy Spirit, so who is the Holy Spirit in this case, the male or the female?? haha. Too contradicting is their doctrine.
By: Pierce on April 8, 2010
at 4:40 am
1 Cor. 11:26 “For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes..”
Hmm.. until He comes. So, Paul tells us that until Christ returns we must partake in Holy Communion?? But according to WMSCOG, Christ has already returned.. right? So, why partake of Communion if Christ has returned??
They claim there is a 3rd coming, but where in the Bible is a 3rd coming ever mentioned? There is only His first coming which came to pass as He was born, grew, lived, and died then resurrected. Jesus then ascended into Heaven. He will not return until He comes in the clouds, meaning IN GLORY. Christ will not come again as a lowly servant as He did in His first coming. He will not be one who blends in. He will come in glory, and it will be audible and all will see and hear that Christ has come.
Was Christ Ahn Sang Hong’s coming one of audible and visible results? No. I had not even heard of the Church of God until a random day at school when a person I used to work with randomly happened to be meeting a friend of his on campus.
Also, if the Church of God is so great, why can I not find one on the internet that is close to my area? This co-worker of mine told me the address, but I wanted a website to this local church. If you ask me, looks like COG has a lot of things they hide for being so zealous for the “LORD”.
The Pope is NOT the antichrist. I could buy that the pope is AN anti-christ if he truly goes against God’s living Word. Though, he is not THE anti-christ. There have been too many popes to be one anti-christ. The antichrist is one person.
The word says there are MANY antichrists, but only one “the” antichrist. To me, Ahn Sang Hong and Zang Gil-Jah are just another antichrist, just another false prophet, just another Korean cult leader of the hundreds in that area that claim they are Jesus Christ. Also, the Word tells us no one can know the day Christ will return, nor can we know the hour of God’s wrath. Thus, 2012 COULD be “the end”, but no matter how many people prophecy such, it might or might not be true, because not a soul could ever know. Again though, how could Jesus say “only the Father knows” if the Father was just a phase of God’s manifestation? Was Jesus talking to Himself?
1 John 2:18-19 “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us.”
1 John 2:22-23 “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.”
1 John 4:2-3 “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.”
2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.”
By: Pierce on April 8, 2010
at 5:15 am
A word about 1 John 2:18-19. Ahn Sang Hong originally was from the Seventh Day Adventist denomination. He was supposedly a Christian. Then he went “out” from the church and formed his own doctrinated church. He then claims his church is the only true church. He went out from the Christian doctrine and showed the world his belief was not hand-in-hand with every other church.
On 1 John 2:22-23;
John says that those who deny the Father and Son are antichrists. Well, the COG claims no one is saved through the name of Jehovah nor the name of Jesus, but only of AhnSangHong. That pretty much denies God in a way. It doesn’t deny that that’s who God was before, but the Bible claims thats who God is now, and COG denies who God was and STILL IS. Hrmm.. Wouldn’t that make them antichrist material?
By: Pierce on April 8, 2010
at 5:22 am
Seriously though, A Child of God, you are just forcing me to scan right on over your posts.
Not because of what you’re saying, because I’m sure you would’ve said something like “YOU DEMON FROM THE DEVIL PERSECUTING GOD!”, but because it’s just a bunch of capitalized letters all bungled up together over and over and over again in every post.
By: Emilyn on April 8, 2010
at 9:40 am
COG leader: Hey do u know that the birthday of jesus is not christmas?
Me: Then what is the birthday of jesus?
COG leader: No one knows
Me: God the mother would know right?, since she’s god.
COG leader: Yes, she knows
Me: why don’t we ask her what is the birthday of jesus?
COG leader: ahhhhhhhh, just concentrate on the bible
By: Skyblue on April 9, 2010
at 11:54 am
lol, sorry, just had to do that….too funny. Sounds like me when I was in the church.
By: Mochi on June 30, 2010
at 12:14 pm
Thats a cult, my wife started going to that church, I didnt go, when she didnt go they would text her or call her on her cellphone, she felt like she was being forced, and they kept telling her she was going to hell. CHURCH OF GOD WORLD MISSION SOCIETY IS A CULT!!!.
By: Maurice on April 9, 2010
at 12:57 pm
God the mother is the head of this charity company called the “We Love U” foundation and it has many members. She doesn’t even preach to them, we’re in a desperate situation here, the world is going to end soon. She’s being lazy, doing NO preachingggggggggggg.
loll
By: Skyblue on April 9, 2010
at 10:46 pm
SOOOO True! You know just like any other celebrity she does a lot of good work but fortunately only in Korea and as a GOD she went ahead to receive the medal from Korean president imagine not knowing that he would someday commit suicide. LOL!
They use this 2000 years quote to tell how the COG is being persecuted but the same also goes how 2000 years back disciples questioned Jesus and Thomas would not believe. These brainwashed dudes while going on a boat ride wth her don’t even ask if she can walk on water or if they can get a good catch if they throw their nets in
By: wilson on April 11, 2010
at 3:21 pm
Bromfromzion,
Three different people from the “Zion” in Boomingdale, Ill., told my daughter-iin-law that the world was going to end in 2012, and if it didn’t then the church should put a lock on it’s doors and close down. My son also told me that, and he is a member of COG. Now, he denies that he ever said it, and no one in the church will own up to it. Why? Why has the story changed all of a sudden?
By: MountainMom on April 10, 2010
at 3:53 am
BromFromZion:
What kind of excuse for the WMSCOG as a whole to not use the internet for witnessing is that? Anybody can pretend to believe in whatever religion they so choose. If I were to change all my social network profile religions to Judaism, got my Jewish lingo down, and did what Jews did, they would have no clue that I am actually a Christian. Thus, anybody going to a COG member could fool them just as easily.
I’ll tell you why the story has changed all the sudden: because they are not confident it will happen. I am confident that the world will end someday, the Bible says it will; I would hope in my lifetime, but I am not confident enough that it will happen in my lifetime to witness it to unbelievers.
Do you know what happens when a whole chain of churches are not confident in an important part of their doctrine?? It’s either A. Not in the Bible, or B. Not of God. Which of these categories does the “firm” belief of 2012 fit into? I’d say both, but you may have another perspective. I’m not a follower, so perhaps you could help me out on that..
By: Pierce on April 10, 2010
at 9:23 am
Well I have a question for COG members.
What is the purpose of Mother J being on Earth?
I don’t really understand that. Ookk Ahn- came back for the remaining 37 years to fulfill the 40 year reign of King David or whatever… But why is Mother J a human being?
Is there some type of prophecy or scripture or something that explains that?
By: Emilyn on April 10, 2010
at 11:52 am
Just wanted to put in another plug for these websites…
http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
PS–Skyblue, you made me chuckle with your post on asking about the birthday of Jesus. :)
By: genny on April 11, 2010
at 1:28 pm
They told my son his tithes were tax deductible. Are they? I know they were applying for tax exempt status in “09, but did they get it? He is now saying he isn’t concerned with paying his taxes anyway. It doesn’t matter, nothing matters, since the world is going to end any time.
By: MountainMom on April 12, 2010
at 9:35 pm
The wmscog continuously show their members dvds of disasters and viruses, they never stop talking about end of the world. They use this to stop members from leaving. The moment they see a member losing faith, they say things like you’re going to die or you’re going to hell.
For example; remember the swine flu virus? the wmscog keep saying there’s not going to be cure and the whole world is going to be infected, we must find new members and recruit them immediately. The church continously scare their members with these kind of things on a daily basis.
You don’t have to look into their doctrine to see they’re false, you just have to look at their behaviour. I don’t want to aim this at all the wmscog members, i just want to aim it at their leaders.
By: Skyblue on April 14, 2010
at 10:43 am
My friend is a deacon at the COG and he has a folder full of colored pictures printed about calamities & disasters etc all from the internet. Also cut outs of global warming from newspapers . I have some of their Dvds too.
Mind you this guy was such a sane person and an engineer by profession but due to divorce he ended up with this cult and it surprises me when he talks things like when I wanted to eat a burger I prayed in mothers name and immediately after a few mts there was an outlet.
Their minds are blank, sometimes things are there but the brains are tuned to think that they are totally hadicapped without these 2 fake Gods.
As for the behaviour I doubt after following passover and supposedly keeping all God’s commands they have an entry to heaven???
These members are made to feel good that ” their names are in the BOOK of LIFE” which can be deleted if they do not adhere to their rules or regulations.
I have been a witness to the bad temperament of my friend who some days back was so upset on a guy at the private parking that he threw the cash on the ground. Not willing to admit his fault. This attitude is because they are stressed out, lack of sleep and living in constant fear.
Father Ahn suffered and lies in his grave I wonder what punishment Jesus has in store for this con artist mother Jerusalem who sleeps peacefully and ruins the life of others.
By: wilson on April 14, 2010
at 2:56 pm
Yes, their leaders get angry often even with the smallest matters. I reported these kind of behaviours to the pastor/overseer of the church all the time.
During their feast, they go to church at 5am to worship for many days in a row. They often make up rules within the church to control their members, for example; male members cannot text or call any female members within the church.
The members are forced to write down their interest and hobbies on paper, the information is then used by the leaders to manipulate them.
Members get their photos taken and are stored on the churches database. wmscog never uses wireless internet because it increase the risk of computer hacking. They do know a lot about hacking computers!! loll
The church wants to know everything about you. They ask for my university username, password, and email.
wmscog would never preach to Koreans living outside their country. THIS IS A FACT.
wmscog male leaders stoke each others hands and legs. Lolll. One of them held my hand and stroke it in public!!!!! I almost got a heart attack!!!. Its Ok if the ladies are doing it, but guys!?!?
By: Skyblue on April 14, 2010
at 7:36 pm
Hmm! I think they are imitating mother Jerusalem.( The lonely women after her old lover passed off)
Have you seen their annual calendar. By the way it has 25th dec maked in red as christmas holiday. Well there is this picture where she is wearing a peach hanbok and the male brothers seated next to her are holding her hands on either side and its looks like they are having a tug of war. I wonder why she is all decked , puts bigen on the hair that makes her look young.
Even in the boat they hold her hands. I guess this gestures are based on the “We love you” foundation in memory of her ex-love. It doesn’t matter if its the same or opp sex LOL
By: wilson on April 14, 2010
at 8:58 pm
Could you clarify why the COG doesn’t preach to Koreans living outside their country? Just wondering.
By: MountainMom on April 16, 2010
at 12:16 am
A clear answer was never given. They are very strict about not preaching to Koreans living outside their country. They would never pressure a Korean living outside their country into baptism.
COG leader: we don’t preach to Koreans living outside their country
Me: Why don’t we preach to them?
COG leader: Mother told us not to. We only preach to locals.
Me: What if the Koreans are local, citizens of the country. Should we baptize them the way we do to other people.
COG leader: i don’t know, mother just told us not to preach to them.
Me: You live with local Koreans right? the house that you are sharing. Why don’t you invite them to church? Should we go there and baptize them immediately?
COG leader: No, we should just obey mothers words.
By: Skyblue on April 16, 2010
at 10:03 am
thats weird. i know there are a bunch of koreans at my boyfriends church that were brought into the church not born in korea..
By: Emilyn on April 16, 2010
at 12:49 pm
yes, there would be some cases where Koreans (living outside their country) would get baptize and join the church.
You would only see them preaching to Koreans if the meeting was by accident. The church would normally preach in pairs or three, there would normally be a new member who goes along, so if by accident they end up preaching to a Korean they would continue preaching and then in front of the new member they have no choice but to invite the korean to church.
If the church leaders know someone walking in the street who is Korean, they would never approach him/her.
The church has a dvd where it shows mother instructing the members only to preach to locals.
By: Skyblue on April 17, 2010
at 8:48 am
wow !
there is a lot of controversy in all this subjects ….but come on people we not here to argue the true is all in the bible …or u guys rather put all the trust on humans instead of god ……anyhow who is really looking for the truth ? cause we not here to convinced people into believe in heavenly father and mother we just here to find our lost brothers and sisters ! so who is really looking for salvation? anyone ….. if anyone then please pray that you find it soon and instead of going to all this websites and people please study but remember also 2000 years ago all the teachers of the law knew the bible from cover to cover but they fail to recognize Jesus Christ but only the disciples understood what Jesus Christ meant but why? cause the secrets of the kingdom of heaven was given to you but not to them . so i guess is very clear that god makes a distinction between gods people and not gods people so please study , even tough i have been study for almost 14 months everyday we learn more and more from the bible :) so please dear friends lets no waste more by looking at the internet but only thru the bible i pray that all you guys be able to visit one of our church and that all your question get answer thru the bible . may god bless you all !
By: eohim child on April 23, 2010
at 3:12 am
correction on name :elohim child :)
By: elohim child on April 23, 2010
at 3:14 am
There is absolutely NO TRUE GOD other than the Triune Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is Spirit, the Son is both Spirit and flesh, and the Holy Spirit is Spirit. They are 3, yet 1. How is this? We will never understand in our human minds. Perhaps God will give us this knowledge in eternity, but we live in a limited world at the present time.
These are 3 persons because they simultaneously exist at the same time. This is an obvious fact, from when Jesus was baptized by John to the many references made in the New Testament. Elohim CAN be used as a term to pluralize God; however, the true Jewish meaning of Elohim is not necessarily to pluralize God, but rather to emphasize His being – God IS everything, all in all, complete and whole in every way.
That said, the Holy Spirit is always referred to as “He” in the Bible. Thus, how can Ahn Sang Hong even think to point to a woman, Zang Gil-Jah, as being the Holy Spirit in the flesh? Furthermore, the Holy Spirit is Spirit and will never take on flesh. Jesus Christ took on flesh. The Father always came as a burning bush, pillar of fire, etc, but I don’t remember Him coming as human. Jesus Christ took on flesh. The angels sometimes take on flesh. But the Holy Spirit?? Give me one instance in the Word of God where the Holy Spirit takes on flesh and I may change my mind.
By: Pierce on April 23, 2010
at 6:02 am
My son is now going to church 28 hours per week, and it is an hour drive one way from his home. His wife was crying when he left last time, as while she was gone for a weekend, they talked him into going Thursdays as well, and he agreed without discussing it with her first. He said,”I have to go. I promised,” and left her there crying. He says,”I have to” a lot, but then contradicts himself by saying it is of his own free will. Which is it? It can’t be both ways. He also gave them his passport because he decided to give in to their constant pressure and go to Korea in June. This decision was made before he asked his bosses if he can get out of work, and before he consulted with his wife. He says he will quit his job if they won’t let him off work. His job pays him around $100,000 per year, and just last year he was extremely motivated to do well. His work last year got him the promotion to the corporate office. Now he has no motivation to do anything but be at the church. He told his Dad that if they wanted him to be there seven days per week, he would. I do believe he will wind up doing that, and fairly soon. His wife wants them to try marriage counseling, but my son told her he will only go if he sets it up. Lord help them if he decides to set it up with his pastor.
By: MountainMom on April 26, 2010
at 10:20 pm
Lol, everything on this video match exactly with the wmscog. I can’t believe there are people who do these kind of things in this world, controlling people and stealing their money.
when u guys talk to a wmscog member u’re no longer talking to an individual but a brainwashed robot.
Behind the smiles, the wmscog leaders are dogs. They are bad people.
For people who have family members in this church, u should call the police, lawyers, everyone. Use force if necessary to get your love ones out of there.
Elohim child, u’re brainwashed. U should stand back and have a good look at the church, their behaviors and their thirst for money. Their doctrine came from other cults that failed. Jerusalem mother was preached way before wmscog. The wmscog just gathered bit and pieces and join them together.
By: Skyblue on May 2, 2010
at 6:11 pm
i am very thankful to those people who call the world mission society church of god a ” cult “.
Even Jesus Christ is called a ” cult ” in their time .
and i know to myself that i am in the true church , the church established by god …
God Bless u all my dear brothers and sisters ! . =)
By: Sho on May 3, 2010
at 11:42 pm
Sho,
Have you read Proverbs lately? They are very straightforward, and do not lend themselves to twisted, vague interpretations. I read at least 6 that said sons should listen to their father’s counsel, and should never bring grief or sadness to their mothers. It was in the Bible in plain black and white. Yet, our son brings us grief and sadness now, by the boatload and the pastor and recruiters in the COG say that is “normal” and “we are persecuting him” because we tell him we do not agree with their main doctrine, which is believing in the false idols of ASH and “The mother”. Before he was in COG we were so close with him, and we did not disagree on things. There was no strife. He brings his wife terrible sadness and misery as well, and the COG has encouraged this. He truly is like a mindless robot, a slave to the psychological prison of the COG. My son is a depressed person who has threatened suicide three times now. We are sick with worry. The pastor and members of the COG are not worried, though. THEY DON’T CARE. His wife asked the pastor directly to stop pressuring him to be at the church all the time as his job is so demanding, and excessive time at church cut into family time so much. She told him the money he was excessive as well, and they had bills to pay. The result? More time demanded and more money. And now a trip to Korea that may cost him his job as he did not ask his boss for this time off, just scheduled the trip against his wife’s wishes. This is such a nightmare.
How can the COG tell my son to go against the Bible? If he is bringing his mother and father grief, and he is not listening to his father, he is going against what is printed in black and white in the Bible. THIS IS WRONG, AND IS NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. IT IS WRITTEN THERE.
By: MountainMom on May 4, 2010
at 6:44 am
Sho,
I was a trusted member of the wmscog. Once u gain their trust, they let u in with information on how to trick and target people to join the church. At first I thought that the wmscog is the true church like urself.
They had control over my mind, but not my heart, in the end its my heart that saved me. They told me things they shoudn’t have. Tricking people and using scare tactics is WRONG.
They pull verses out of the bible to defend themselves when people call them a cult. Any cult can do that, its really easy. I can call myself god and pick verses out of the bible to defend myself when people call me a false prophet. They use these verses on a daily basis to control YOUR MIND.
By: Skyblue on May 4, 2010
at 10:19 am
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
By: Nonhle on May 28, 2010
at 12:17 am
First, all praise to Heavenly Father and Mother… i usually dont get on this site. I am a member of Church of God WMS. Truly it is the truth, its sad to see the false testimonys about the truth but also its sad to see Brothers and Sisters from Zion setting the wrong examples online.. truthfully sometimes we forget that we were once lost as well and tend to act messed up to babylonians but this is not Gods will for us to act like this. Its actually Gods will for us to be the salt and the light as well as preaching the truth. Sometimes our own acts can even push our true Brothers and Sisters away so please be careful for the sake of the Gospel, let us all go to Heaven together. Amen
By: Zion - please read on May 28, 2010
at 12:08 pm
Tell me, Zion Please Read, you say preach the truth.. what then is truth? The Bible which is the living Word of God, right? Well, could you explain in any possible way why we should believe anything you say? There are hundreds, even thousands of references to Jesus Christ in the Old Testament prophecies. There are hardly enough scripture to back up anything concerning Ahn Sang Hong and the “Heavenly Mother” unless you first convert to the faith -then- they show you their evidence book & scriptures.. problem is, these are twisted opinions and interpretations of scripture. What I’d like to know is why Jesus came once to die on the cross to save us completely of our sins, but then He had to come down again as “Ahn Sang Hong” 2,000 years after His first coming, and He’s back in heaven yet again and will come down to destroy the evil of earth in due time? That’s not how I understand scriptures. The second coming is much too vague to even have any interpretation -close- to the truth.
Lastly, Jesus is a JEWISH man. Not Korean. Certainly, there are verses that speak of things coming from the Eastern hemisphere, but Korea is not the east of the east. There is also eastern China, Japan, Hawaii, and the Americas are the east of the east of the eastern parts of Israel. Why claim Jesus is suddenly Korean when all the roots of Christianity is hidden in Judaism, the Jewish religion and the Hebrew race.. Furthermore, if you are deciding to keep the Sabbath, a day strictly for Jews, are you implying Koreans are part Jewish? The early church did NOT worship God only on the sabbath, in fact in Col 2:14-16 Paul says that no one is to judge one another concerning new moons or sabbaths. Rather let one participate in a festival as he wills so long as it does not dishonour God, and the Sabbaths are to be observed whenever one feels inclined. In other words, if Jews feel obligated to worship on the sabbath, so be it. However, if the gentiles worshiped the first day of the week, Sunday, God still would hear their worship and they would have church that day. In other words, the church was concerned about the heart and effort, not the date. If God is omnipresent, there is no reason He won’t hear His sabbath worship any given day of the week, especially since the old law is abolished and all things are new. If we keep the old law, then we ought be sacrificing animals, cleaning our hands at all times if we touch anything unclean or unholy, etc etc. This is not how God intends us to live anymore; Jesus paid the price. We accept it, and God only sees Jesus’ blood over our lives. We don’t take communion as a ritual to keep the sin hidden, Jesus’ blood is already over our lives. It’s a permanent washing if you truly meant repenting and asking forgiveness of sins. We observe holy communion to remind ourselves of what Christ did so that we do not fall back into sin, not that we may be cleaned and protected.. God already cleaned us and being omnipresent is always protecting us, whether we take communion and worship on sabbath days or not.
By: Pierce on May 28, 2010
at 12:52 pm
God bless you Pierce…
By: GB on May 31, 2010
at 5:39 am
What a great reply, Pierce. This is how I see it as well. I hope my son will see it this way as well some day. That is what I pray for.
By: MountainMom on June 3, 2010
at 3:31 am
These delusional cunts at WMSCoG have been playing the “doomsday” card for a very long time. In the first half of 2009 “Mother” issued, via word of mouth, a statement to her leaders which passed all the way down the rumor mill to the regular “brothers and sisters.” The statement was that within 2009 we were all going to see things
on this earth that we within OUR lifetimes have never seen before. This meant certain things such as civil unrest in the US, severe widespread famine, and physical manifestations on the earth like the sea turning red, would come to pass IN 2009. Well 2009 has come and gone and I haven’t witnessed ONE thing that year that lived up to her omen. All negative things that had occurred that year were not anything that we hadn’t seen before, and many of us had experienced such discomforts in our lifetime already. That automatically makes her NOT A GOD because..now let’s make them eat their own words..if God says something will happen in alloted time frame, it WILL happen EXACTLY
that way. Sorry, but an earthquake here and an earthquake there does not count. A lot of us have been alive long enough to experience some of those high magnitude quakes. And no, THE SEA DID NOT TURN RED. These CoG jerkoffs are probably trying to give credit to “Mother” for the Gulf Of Mexico oil spill that occurred recently, but first of all,
A] that happened in 2010, NOT 2009, one year off, DUMBASS!!
B] a “gulf” does not equate to a “sea”
C] there have been larger oil spills in our lifetime in terms of volume (tons), and
D] a strip of red-brown oil washing ashore on an Alabama island is neither “all red” nor does it cover an entire ocean…
DUMBASS!!!
Now when they get called for this sort of thing, this is how they seem to defend themselves:
1) Blame their own fledgling members for starting rumors and causing fear in the the congregation (because supposedly “Mother” never made such claims) — I have personally seen somebody reprimanded and embarrassed in front of other members for “spreading” things that he did not make up, but came down from deacons themselves
2) Repeat the mantra “those who focus on destruction will receive destruction, you’d better just concentrate on learning the sermon book and becoming a diligent preacher”…and blame their youth members for being too focused on destructive events in prophecy
3) Play this excuse card that “Mother” was holding back the destructive events because she is taking pity on her dysfunctional children (the church members) and giving them more time to prepare
..All childish excuses and loopholes in an attempt to cover up their flesh idol’s mortality. But this is how they got their start didn’t they, having a loophole, or a way out, for everything that does not pan out as predicted. Sound familiar?
I still have the infamous sermon book and a ton of books they sold exclusively at their churches, if anyone is interested in dissecting the BS. I was planning on a mass distribution of that garbage
to pastors and leaders of every other church I come across nationwide in my spare time so they can all be aware of this gigantic fraud. This exposure of their literature was what they were always afraid of, that’s why they always acted a bit nervous at the cash register when selling the material. They aren’t actually truly afraid of “the truth getting into the wrong hands and being misused and twisted,”..they are afraid of getting analyzed, dissected, and caught. Their monetary success is directly correlated with people being unaware of their presence and not knowing the bible well. They prey on the uninformed and malleable. The only way that they
can have a mass of people available as prospective member-victims is if regions and regions across the country have no access to their Korean shithead’s books. Otherwise, if the books were readily available, the outsiders would have the opportunity to view the doctrine beforehand and pick apart its fallacies, therefore being able to defend themselves against the CoG preacher whores (who usually come in pairs) once being approached by them at some tacky mall or community college. This obviously would not work in the WMSCoG’s favor being the for-profit org. that they are! If both their fleshling gods truly are the one true God in the bible, then it wouldn’t matter whose hands Ahn Sahng Bong Fag’s books reached would it? The truth would prevail no matter what. Their insecurity about it has betrayed their true fraudulent nature. It’ll be a good laugh. >:)
By: kathryn on June 9, 2010
at 12:01 pm
Yup. Those bastards took away 14 months of my life and $3,600.00 of my money. I sure could use that money now, but it wouldn’t do any good for me to ask the church for help because the church won’t help its members. So much for being the “true church”. :-(
By: Yeehaw on June 9, 2010
at 12:18 pm
Sure they would not help you. They will bring the famous saying, “Everyone has to carry their own Cross” Are you familiar with this? Lol.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on June 28, 2010
at 1:41 am
My son went to Korea with them recently. Before he went he drew out his IRA and his 401K. It was around $25,000. It was no coincidence that he did this right before he went there. He won’t tell his wife what he has done with that money, but we know. He is about to lose his job, his wife, and his self respect. The worst thing is, he is not at all happy in this church anyway. He is morbidly depressed, and it worries me greatly. I love my son, but he is in the psychological prison they form around their members. I pray he will discover that they are deceivers only interested in his money, not his salvation.
By: MountainMom on June 9, 2010
at 9:59 pm
Theres a lot of bad people in this world, wmscog leaders are the WORST of them. I’m tired of this shit…soon i’m going to name names and take photos of their face and load it up on the net.
If i have family members in this cult…i’ll walk in the church and punch the leaders in the face.
By: Skyblue on June 10, 2010
at 10:18 pm
Many of the leaders (not all of them, as I have encountered decent people) have two faces. They spread rumors, abuse their position, and backstab other members with gossip. The gossip includes topics both serious and trivial regarding other members’ personal lives. The reason this usually happens is because the victim member confides in a leader member, trusting that the leader is mature and dignified enough to keep the conversation between each other. Unfortunately this is not the way it pans out, as not long after, the leader starts spreading the personal information to other members. It is not only the leaders who exhibit this behavior, but regular “brothers” and “sisters” as well. A newer and vulnerable member confides in the brother or sister and they take the private details, distort them, and spread it up the chain of command. Why? Maybe to appear “obedient.” Maybe to ensure their future status as one of the 144,000.. because in their minds, the more other members are oppressed and too depressed to attain leadership positions, the better the odds of they themselves becoming one of the 144,000…because after all, only leadership such as pastors, missionaries, and deacons can become the 144,000 ..all the rest will have to settle for being part of the Great Multitude *wink* ;)…oh did I just reveal something a deacon said behind closed doors to trusted select members? lol. Anyways, the point is that the leaders’ gossip causes the target victims to lose confidence in them and the church in general, causing much division and an ever-present sense of distrust. Now what is so hypocritical about this entire thing is that the pastor of each church sits idly by and just lets this behavior continue. People keep getting hurt. This NEVER gets addressed. Wait a minute…these guys can bust out sermons Tuesday night plus all of Saturday and go on and on demonizing other people outside the church for being Catholic, celebrating Easter, celebrating Christmas & such, BUT THEY AREN’T WILLING TO ADDRESS THEIR OWN CONGREGATION’S FAULTS TOWARDS EACH OTHER??? How hypocritically screwed up is that???
I’ve personally brought this issue up with a pastor from a location church in my region, meaning I confronted the pastor about all the GOSSIP, unwanted SPYING and the overall lack of privacy and personal space available to members that never caused problems. The response I received was in the ballpark of “I’ll look into it and talk to them.” Guess what, nothing was ever done about it. The entire time I’ve addressed these issues, they always have to first protect “Mother” and say it’s not her fault, but the childrens’ (members). They are repeating what they’ve already done in heaven (Secret Of The Forgiveness Of Sins study). Figures.
C’mon folks, the true God if he/she was on fleshed on earth would not allow this kind of freakin’ behavior to be rampant upon his/her church especially if WWIII was SO CLOSE TO ERUPTING (yes I know about the interpretation of the four winds being released HAH) and the end of all things being so close at hand. The “true” church in that type of scenario would have almost everything together by now. Not a bunch of whiny church youth gossiping and backstabbing each other. Don’t even try to PROOFTEXT me with a verse from the OT trying to discount my logic, saying that we humans don’t know how God thinks, that he sees time totally different and operates on a level different from ours (“our ways are not God’s ways”). There is no method to Chung Gil Jah’s madness for allowing this nonsense to happen in the church, hahah.
More rationalizations from them as to why Cog MUST be the true church, even though this gossip/division crap is happening within its walls:
1) look! it’s prophesied that this will happen in zion (the true church), that the love will grow cold and brothers & sisters will turn on each other! it’s happening! therefore this must be the true church! <— same BS as "CoG is being massively persecuted by people online and offline immensely for stating the truth which seems radical (like Jesus did 2000 years ago, the truth he was spread seemed radical, so history is repeating), therefore it must be the true church"
2) you shouldn't pay attention to or assess whether this is the true church by how brothers and sisters in the church behave. whether or not it is the true church should be determined by whether they are able to accurately confirm to you the prophecies in the bible being fulfilled. if they are able to do that, then the church they reside in, IS God's true church
^^^ so, let me get this straight. You are implying that the very same people that gossip about me, talk behind my back, and lie to me…as long as they are able to teach the bible accurately by showing me how the prophecies have been fulfilled, I should trust that the church they are a part of is THE true church?
BLOW ME
lol
"by their fruits you will recognize them"
"by their deeds you WILL know them"
By: kathryn on June 11, 2010
at 11:59 am
Wow. I am impress of what you had said. It brings me back memories. All Truth.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on June 28, 2010
at 2:02 am
Wow, nicely put. Exact same reason i left the church quite a while ago. I guess since they work for God, it’s okay for them to say or assume whatever the heck they fee like behind your back right?
By: Mochi on June 30, 2010
at 12:45 pm
I was/am in the COG for almost 5yrs. Fortunately or unfortuantely i’ve studied it all yet cant 100% believe it all. I’d love LOVE to get together with as many ex-members, members that have doubts or members that wish they could leave the church and examine and disect their bible studies-as I have copies of most of them- their books, and also share our experiences in the church…
Pls EX COG member, Genny, Kathryn, Skyblue, and anyone else email me at stpcada@yahoo.com to see if we could meet or chat about this matter.
Thank you
By: lili on July 11, 2010
at 4:43 am
Yes, personal and private matters of members are on the walls for everyone to see. No doubt about it. Even a true cog member can’t deny this fact.
Even though i left the cog, i feel for the people who are still trap there, the innocent people.
They say everything happen according to the will of god even if a member gets upset by something a leader said or do. If i come and punch one of the deacon in the face i guess that would be classified as a will of god.
COG leaders especially the koreans are two faces. Acting nicely to u and offering free food, and then turn around demanding money. Not small sum of money, but big amounts of money.
Dear COG
By: Skyblue on June 13, 2010
at 10:50 am
I Would personally love to hear testimonies from ex-church of god memebers. Why they left and their experiences while they were in the church.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on June 22, 2010
at 11:15 am
A lot of things that you said its true about the pressure and all that stuff. U seems to have spent a significant amount of time in COG. Can you tell me how long you was in there?
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on June 22, 2010
at 11:30 am
My son is 19 and got brainwashed into joining this evil cult. Please someone help me show him how to get out. How do i convince him this is bad?
By: Devlin on June 29, 2011
at 3:25 pm
Pray for him, there is no other way to get him out of their deception.
Join a support group, because it is too hard to handle alone. If you look on the web you can find a number of support groups/websites for people who have family members who are victims of this cult.
God bless you,
Jamie
By: Seeking Truth on June 29, 2011
at 3:28 pm
Thanks Jamie but I’m not giving up. I can still save my son with the Lord’s grace. He is still 100% dependant on us. They’ve already asked him to go to Korea so I’ve drained his account and will “lose” his passport. I’m only giving him enough cash to buy the necessities, but not sufficient to buy a ticket to Korea. He doesn’t work and goes to college full time.
I am still heartbroken that this happened to him – he’s a wonderful child who simply gave the guy who approaced him the time of day because we taught him to be nice and kind to others. But all the blogs made me realize that it’s not his doing and was brainwashed.
We’re going to drown him with LOVE and counter all actions he’s been told would happen. Reverse psychology often times is successful.
I trust in our Lord and with his grace and the support from our church and family, we’re going to bring him back. God always has a plan for everything and he will show us the way to save the many innocent people from this nightmare.
By: Devlin on June 30, 2011
at 2:51 pm
How about this one? My son was planning to take a short weekend trip with his wife, and had the plane tickets already and everything, but he was concerned about missing the Sabbath. He had to ask his pastor what he thought. The pastor said he had missed the Sabbath once, and he was “injured” shortly after. He also said his brother missed once, and he had an “accident.” That is such a bunch of bull. They are trying to control him with fear and superstition. What real church would do that? His wife said “Well, I don’t go at all, and I haven’t had anything happen.” My son does NOT see what they are doing to him. It is crazy, and is very frustrating to his family.
By: MountainMom on June 16, 2010
at 3:57 am
I feel for you MountainMom.
It is so frustrating!
I watched a youtube video about how some WMSCOG members were ‘miraculously’ kept safe through disasters and accidents and war–all because they had “kept the Passover”.
Well, I can tell you many stories about how family and friends and I myself have also been spared through disasters and accidents and war (and some are quite dramatic!). Most recently it was dear friends on a missions trip to Haiti who landed merely hours before the big earthquake. What a story they had! We do not keep the Passover as the WMSCOG does, but we are blessed with the grace of God.
http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/index.php
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
By: genny on June 20, 2010
at 3:53 pm
Here’s another point I have to make about this WMSCOG: Their excessive mixture of cultish beliefs that Paul told early Christians NOT to buy into. Not only do they add elements of Seventh Day Adventism and Jehovah’s Witness, but they add elements of GNOSTICISM, which is something the early church widely condemned as a heresy due to it’s disbelief in Jesus Christ as wholly God and man simultaneously.
Gnostics believe that Jesus was a man, and Christ was Spirit, thus either Jesus Christ was not fully man or that godhood was achieved for Jesus once He received the “Christ” anointing. This is not true, because Jesus was always Christ from His birth. He knew at a young age – though we don’t know what age He was – that He was God. He told His parents at age 12 “Did you not know I would be about my Father’s business?”
Thus Jesus was always Christ, and Christ always Jesus. John denies the Gnostic beliefs in 1 John 4.
Hebrews 13:8
“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”
Friends, if Jesus Christ is the same always, and was always Christ even in His mother’s womb, would He not be that same Jesus Christ when He returns? If so, why is it that our fellow “Jesus Christ” with the new name “Christ Ahn Sang Hong” was born into a Buddhist family, baptized in the same date as Israel was made a nation again, and “became” a supposed follower of the true God at a certain point of time?
This makes no sense. Ahn Sang Hong should have known he was the Christ from his birth if he truly is the second coming. The verse WMSCOG uses to proclaim the “new name” of Christ is not valid for their supposed Christ, because a name is simply a new identity, not a new persona or body. I can change my name however I see fit; however, I cannot change my personality and body to that of a Korean. Certainly, God can do all things, but it is not in scripture that Christ would be a different nationality or body than He was in the past..
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow for all eternity.. the Jewish man who is simultaneously God, who is eternally King of all. He did not descend into Korea as an Asian.. Jesus is JEWISH will always physically be JEWISH, and is spiritually CHRIST at ALL TIMES and has NEVER changed. His name may change as His secrets are unraveled, but He himself will never change.
Amen.
By: Pierce on June 20, 2010
at 4:16 pm
Another verse: Galations 4:10 “you observe days and months and seasons and years..” and it goes on “I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain..”
Paul was telling the Galations of the error they had taken in following the Old Jewish laws and festivities. The Galations had been following Jewish regulations they thought would please God as it had in the past. Paul told them they couldn’t be any further from the truth; there is no need to follow sabbaths, holy feasts, or new moons that they had so ritually done before Christ. If they continued to do this, they would confuse the Gentiles with practices that didn’t have anything to do with what Christ had done.
Paul did not condemn them for engaging in these activities, but all the same did not want it to become a central doctrine of the Galatian church.. after all, it was unnecessary for salvation through Jesus Christ and pleasing God, but rather another way to do so. Therefore, the WMSCOG needs not follow sabbaths and communions according to days, months, and years; rather, they must follow them as they will with full heart. Again, the date is not what matters, it’s whether you are worshiping God with your heart and whole being, be it Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday any month, time, year, what have you.
By: Pierce on June 24, 2010
at 2:43 pm
Reply to X-COG MEMBERS WANTED
The usual and obvious cult behaviors of the COG is the reason why i left. All of the things said on this blog about the behaviors of the COG are 110% true.
In the church, they make sure the members identities are all handed over to the church. I still don’t know why they need my university username and password….weird. Maybe they’ll use it to make my life harder so i depend more on the church?!
Once they called me on a friday night and demanded that i come and clean the church. damn that made me angry, that particular deacon should give thanks to god i didn’t hit him.
They don’t want me listening to music other then church music, saying that its poison.
A member is not regarded as a true member unless all the tithes are paid in full. Members who don’t pay tithes on a weekly basis are not allow to travel to korea. Even if he/she know the doctrine from back to front and attend church every week.
They spent most of their preaching time around universities. In 2009 they had a mission called the “University campus mission” Lol.
They declare the end of the world everyday, and yet deny they ever said it. The world is ending soon, soon, soon….(its get funny after a while)
By: Skyblue on June 26, 2010
at 5:23 pm
That was the same reason I left too. Just like I saw in a video, They start very nicely with their love bombing, after you accept their doctrine, the demands start. Not only the use demands taken from Bible context but they also impose their own like you said, Not listen to other type of music, No videogames, etc. They have doctrinazed their members basically not to live their personal lives and this is true. They encorage their members not to think about buying a house or any type of car that seems expensive, like luxury cars. And I heard this many times with my own ears in the services. Now, They never has ask me about my University screen name and password but if that happened to you thats messed up. Why did they need that for and why they will request your password( something that you should only know)..Umm, something isnt right there.
Another thing demanding you to do things like cleaning the Church would bother anyone. That should come from your heart to do, not as a impose obligation. And let me tell you something that you must likely already know, their deacons, missionaries and pastors are very arrogant. They act like dictators and sorry for you if you question their authority or look not in accordance with their commands.
About being considered a true member if you do tithes & offerings every week I dont know, since I always did my tithes & offerings and never did have a problem with it. Probably because i was giving in correctly, I was of not concern to them. Now I never tried hard to go to Korea so i dont have much to say about that. I just apply one time and I was turned down for not being “spiritual prepare”. About the University Preaching is true, they called “Campus Mission” or “CM” and is to be accomplished by any member that is in College. Well, the well aclaimed End of the World, Yeah they do mention that a lot. Last year I heard from members that you know who in Korea said that the end would happen between last year and this year. That means we would not see 2011 come. I have many other info concerning on pophecies that they say would happen before the end come but I will keep it to myself but isnt because of you. I wish you and me could have a way in which can we meet personally so we can share many of our experiences and our opinions toward it, Since i have refrain to share it in here because I want to focus on the facts and not of what I think about it.
Since I had left, is have been another story in my life since it has been dificult for me to re-integrate into society and cope with the normal ways of life due to their extremist doctrines. I would like to share this and many more with you and more X-COG members outside of this forum if its possible. Hope to hear from you soon.
X-COGM
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on June 28, 2010
at 1:25 am
“Please dont write to me again… The whole bible points to my Father Christ Ahn Sahng Hong whether u like it or not…he brought back the tree of life which is a shadow of something more precious that I will not talk to you about… God bless you… And when i said ” God ” I meant Ahn Sahng Hong… ”
Unfortunately, this is how COG members reply to people who ask them to question their beliefs.. they do not back up anything they say with true biblical backup, only with words that seem smart but in essence show ignorance and illogical belief in something they don’t even care to seek truth in. It doesn’t matter WHAT your religion is – you must think like a skeptic before you believe. Why is this? Because there are many christians who believe Jesus is Lord, and many Muslims who claim Allah is God, and many atheists who have valid points that claim there is no God. If you don’t research each side of the glass, how do you know for certain your God is the right God? You must research all religious texts, seek all scientific facts, then study the Bible in depth, and then God will reveal to you His word is the only infallible word existing.
Finally, why would a person claim such secrets to himself and not to non-believers? I would think non-believers need to know the secret of God more than the believer. Jesus Christ has no secrets – He reveals all in His word and in His truth. Not to mention, why wouldn’t he prove his belief is true with biblical truth??
1 Peter 3:15-16 (New King James Version)
15 But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
From the response via email I received above, does that look like a defense of faith? Does it seem gentle? This fellow blocked me from emailing him on FaceBook ever again also.. He has no care for my soul and does not show love in his response..
By: Pierce on June 27, 2010
at 7:18 am
dear X-COGM
Yes what you mention in your previous post are all true.
I always pay my tithes in full, until they demanded more arrogantly. I even give more than the 10% required and i felt at the time it came from the heart. This however wasn’t enough. All offerings are recorded, even the FREE WILL offering. This is done to shame members who don’t give enough according to COG standards.
Once my car broke down and i had to take my dads car to church, it was a BMW. After the pastor/overseer saw it he gave me a lecture on BMWs and Mercedes and how they’re worthless. Lol.
Yes there are many more weird rules and behavior that the church practice. I can go on talking about it forever. I agree with you that this forum is probably not the best way to share our experiences, since the COG headquarters are constantly keeping track of all conversation on here. I’m 100% sure they have read everything i wrote, lol.
I’ll get back to you soonish with a contact so we can contact each other if you wish, I’m more than happy to help anyone out :)
By: Skyblue on June 28, 2010
at 5:28 pm
I will be more than happy to keep in contact with any ex-member like I said. Yeah, the reason is that I wouldnt want them to know all there faults because i know they will do anything at their hand to have an excuse for everything that is expose about them. Even to cover it somehow, to make it look it doesnt happen in there. But let me tell you something, I talk about their leader behaviour because I know they would have to put a lot of effort to change the way they behave, because I imagine they live with their arrogance so long that is too dificult for them to be tolerant and humble from night to morning. You makes me laught about the lecture in the Mercedes and BMW’s because i know how it is. I would have love if i have the heart to get to church on a bycycle to see now what they going to say. Lol. Probably they will hit me in the service like “If you want to be a mormon or want to copy their style why you dont join the LDS’ church?”..lol. I can picture the pastor face and actitud. lol.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on June 29, 2010
at 8:40 am
Please tell me how you got out of the cult. I need to help my son….please…
By: Devlin on June 30, 2011
at 2:04 pm
Yep, my email address is td0008@hotmail.com
Have you heard that someone tried to kill jerusalem mother on a visit to Korea? lol, I think it was with a hammer. That person got caught before he did anything. I think thats the reason why they’re being careful on who is allowed to travel to visit her. You must be spiritually prepared and offerings need to be up to standands. These kind of things shows ur faith towards her and limit your chance of doing anything stupid while you’re there, lol
By: Skyblue on June 29, 2010
at 10:52 am
Oh my God I cant believe someone try to do that? When that happened?
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on June 30, 2010
at 11:58 pm
wait…i’m not sure if it was during a visit that this happen or someone local living in korea who did it.
By: Skyblue on June 29, 2010
at 11:00 am
Oh ok, got it. I posted some questions without realizing you had posted the answers. already. lol. Got your e-mail. You will hear from me soon.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on July 1, 2010
at 12:17 am
Oh ok, got it. I had posted some questions without realizing you had posted the answers. already. lol. Got your e-mail. You will hear from me soon.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on July 1, 2010
at 12:17 am
So have any of you thought about ways of protecting our communities from this malicious organization?
By: mygodisbetter on June 30, 2010
at 8:39 am
Inform, Expose, pray… Make certain people know their Bibles better than COG, to better expose the lies. Make sure the lies are known to public, to every christian and to every non-christian.. That’s about all we can do in godliness, that and love.
By: Pierce on June 30, 2010
at 9:43 am
CoG is probably twisting the current oil spill disaster every way they can to their advantage. They are probably snorting it up like cocaine over there, lol. Regardless of whether current events usher in the apocalypse or not, it needs to be known that CoG is a well-crafted disinformation campaign and are not whom they claim to be. They are NOT the Church at Ephesus, the first and “true” church run by the apostles two millenia ago. They spin their own clever version of how they are Ephesus restored by 2nd coming christ.
You guys have mentioned above about being lectured by leaders for driving BMW’s or higher end cars in general. That is quite amusing, because I have personally seen deacons and missionaries drive in with those types of vehicles. Are they so arrogant to think that nobody would notice the discrepancy, the hypocrisy? Looks like it!
X-COG MEMBERS WANTED: you said –> “But let me tell you something, I talk about their leader behaviour because I know they would have to put a lot of effort to change the way they behave, because I imagine they live with their arrogance so long that is too dificult for them to be tolerant and humble from night to morning.” …..I say you are on the right track for doing it this way. And this is exactly why I prefer to expose their behavior rather than argue scripture with them until both parties are blue in the face. Arguing scripture with them gets nothing done. That’s the way they want it. They want to filter out the people who are too difficult to hypnotize by testing the waters with their doctrine (“preaching”). I suspect that talking about their behavior however, makes them uncomfortable. It puts a smile on my face. They are not used to defending against reports of their behavior…for the very reasons you’ve explained above: it is difficult for them to walk their talk, to be humble and tolerant because they’ve lived with their arrogance and social + physical vanity for so very long. This technique is probably more effective than arguing over scripture, when it comes to alerting people out there about this KVLT. Hahah.
I ran across a very informative and stimulating post by somebody in a Yahoo thread regarding CoG’s propaganda techniques on the streets and on the internet. Congratulations to the author, it is very accurate and revealing. I’ll post the URL to the entire thread and the person’s specific post right below:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100622091741AAkZDdt
Is Christ Ahnsahnghong REALLY the 2nd Coming? I mean, REALLY?
The members of this extremely strange and coercive cult prowl the streets near Universities and college kid hangouts mostly, anywhere young kids with money and minimal parental supervision are.
They also, if you do a “Search Answers” on Ahnsahnghong, ADORE posting fake Q&A on Yahoo about it. You can tell because the asker is typically a Level 1 with no avatar, and the “Best Answer” is always a very long list of random bible quotes with a short paragraph “and therefore, Ahnsahnghong is the 2nd Coming of Christ and is therefor God, Nyaa!” etc.
Proof, is that some of the people answering this question, will have that answer!!! they’re in boiler rooms of internet-ready computers, constantly scouring the web for any critisism of their cult so that they can post their propaganda. Let it be known that such coercive and underhanded tactics are trademark for how they run their church!
I do support the right to Freedom of Religion. If you chose to believe that some 60 year old korean woman who lives in a gold-plated mansion is the wife of God, fine. However, you have the right to not be manipulated and brainwashed by military-grade 1950’s era mind control techniques!
What do YOU think? have you seen these people? I have, they sweep through my city every year. They come and go, it’s always well dressed, super polite young people with older ones secretly supervising their every move. Join them, and that is YOUR future also!
By: kathryn on July 3, 2010
at 8:27 pm
Hello Kathryn, can you email me at rjrick10@gmail.com?
By: Rick on October 21, 2010
at 12:59 pm
Hello. My name is Rick and I was the founder of ahnsahnghong.biz, because of reasons that many of you know, that site is not up. Im working now in the site cultwatchahnsahnghong.com, with the forum in cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum. If anybody has any information that would like to put there, you are more than welcome, I’m also looking for people that want to help me administrating the site. God bless. Take care.
Rick
rjrick10@gmail.com
By: Rick on July 8, 2010
at 10:24 am
I was/am in the COG for almost 5yrs. Fortunately or unfortuantely i’ve studied it all yet cant 100% believe it all :(. I’d love LOVE to get together with as many ex-members, members that have doubts or members that wish they could leave the church and examine and disect their bible studies-as I have copies of most of them- their books, and also share our experiences in the church…
In all honesty I have mixed feelings about the church and its teaching and a part of me wants to believe it is all true however the other part of me refuses to accept. I just feel that with the knowledge in the bible God has granted me if COG is not the true church yet a lot of its doctrines are true and make PERFECT sense yet other churches don’t adhere to such doctrines-and i am not talking about 2nd coming christ or the jerusalem above- then is there really a true churh/God? Where is God? Who is God? What is God? These are the questions that roam around my head when thinking this church is false and I’d really REALLY love to listen to what others that are/have been in my position think, feel or have to say about it.
Pls EX COG member, Genny, Kathryn, Skyblue, and anyone else email me at stpcada@yahoo.com to see if we could meet or create a chat room to talk about this matter.
Thank you
By: lili on July 11, 2010
at 4:53 am
Count on me Lili. Me and Skyblue already had mail eachother a couple of times. I will write to you soon.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on July 15, 2010
at 7:36 am
I just saw this recently and just can’t help but respond. (notice my God is capitalized and your god is not. I capitalize my God to honor the God who is written in the bible and not who the man claiming to be the second coming of jesus describes)
I have not read through all the comments so i do not know what was previously said. But for all of those who believe in the faith spoken by the world mission society church of god, i want to ask you a question. your faith believes that we are only saved through baptism, passover, and worshiping your so call god the mother. Then why did my God find it so worthy to save me from committing suicide before i accepted Him into my life? Why did i feel His hand over my shoulder that stopped me when i didnt even know who He was? why did He answer my prayers when my faith was wrong? If He found it so worthy to come to me in this way, why did He let me follow a protestant faith? why did my God turn my life around and allowed me to be saved through the protestant faith? unless the god you are talking about does not care about those who are lead astray. or did your god not have the power to lead me to the “correct church”?
One of the very first books of the bible i read was John. and one of the things i can never forget from that book is when Jesus told thomas his disciple “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through ME” (john 14:6) Only through Jesus Christ we can be saved. not through some “god the mother” or the dead ahnsahnghong, “the second coming of jesus”.
another point i would like to make is in the book of revelation. it is a confusing book which leaves it up for many interpretations (which is how many churches similar to the world mission society church of god was formed). but something that is said loud and clear is a verse i have engraved in my heart because that is what i am looking forward to when God descends for the second and last time to our earth. it says “and i heard a loud voice from the throne saying, now the dwelling of God is with men and He will live with them… He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There with be no more death,or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away” (Revelation 21:3-4) Now you are free to actually read the rest of that but what i have written is my point. revelation talks about the second coming of Jesus, when we are finally reunited with God. if ahnsahnghong was jesus then why did i cry when i read your comments about your faith? why are people still dying? why are people still hurting? why isnt God on his throne instead of the world leaders? and why hasnt God struck me down yet for my lack of correct faith?
this is not a discussion about whether your church is a cult or not. it is a discussion about who God is. and i refuse to believe in a God that sent His one and only Son to die for our sins but was not enough to save us. i refuse to believe in a unkind God who will only reward us for just our works and not solely our faith. by requiring us to be baptized, celebrate the passover and requiring many other things in order to be saved means that your god does not love everyone he created. will those who truly accept Christ in their hearts and souls on their deathbed not be saved because they have done no works for him? if your god plays favorites then who would want to believe in that faith instead of my God who loves everyone, even sinners, equally and rewards you for just simply loving Him back with all we have?
I love my Lord with all my heart and all my soul and all my mind. Jesus Christ, the Son of God who is sinless, died for our sins. is that not enough? the most well known and most remembered verses in the bible is John 3:16 “for God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life”. this is what our Christian faith is based on. John did not say “for God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in Him, whoever does works for him, who is baptized for him shall not perish but have eternal life”. unless you are telling me that John was wrong thus the bible, which contains the truth, is flawed.
i cant tell you that your faith is completely wrong because you do use the bible however some of your verses are taken out of context and some of the verses are meant to be parables or things not meant to be taken literally. but if what you are saying is true and the second coming of jesus already occurred then that means what was said in revelation is here. why arent the people from other faiths struck down yet? why hasnt God judged us for our sins? why has our sick world order not been replaced by God’s new and perfect order?
I am waiting for my God to return to the earth so that we may live in peace and rejoice that our days of sin and sorrow gone. if your second coming of jesus is already here then why are we still here arguing with us? what are you waiting for? dont you have a perfect order to go to?
if you still believe that ahnsahnghong is was second coming of jesus then i would advise you to read revelation and find out what the real second coming of Jesus means and look out at the world around you and tell me if it’s here.
By: Undesrving Sinner on July 11, 2010
at 2:07 pm
Wow Undeserving Sinner, that was one of the best replies yet. It gives me hope, as I’m sure it does others. I wish my son could read this blog, but the COG has restricted information access for him to anything that is critical of their group. They said reading critical information is like “cheating on your church” and they said it is like Adam and Eve eating the apple. Yet they have all kinds of websites up. So contradictory. I’m sure their hackers are reading this site, though. I’d like to see their answers, that is, if they don’t try to talk in circles, but would honestly try to address your comments and questions
By: MountainMom on July 13, 2010
at 1:52 am
thanks mountainmom. I hope they try to answer me too. i have seen God’s unconditional love and there isn’t anything anyone can tell me that will make me turn my back on the God described in the bible and He will never turn His back on me. I’m sure He hasnt turn His back on any of us. I will pray for your son mountainmom and when he comes out of this trial, i’m sure he’ll become an even stronger believer of our God who loves and loves unconditionally. dont give up! we will be rewarded for our faith and obedience, not our works. Perhaps you can relay my earlier post to your son or if you like i can write it out and mail it to him. Afterall, those are the question he should be trying to answer as well as his fellow followers of ahnsahnghong.
By: Undesrving Sinner on July 13, 2010
at 5:59 am
I agree with you MountainMom.
That was a very nice way to put things, Undeserving Sinner.
And Lili,
I feel for you. I wonder if the struggle you are having might be because *some* of what your church teaches is true, but not all of it, and not the important parts like who God is and how we are saved. It’s much easier to deceive someone when there is a little truth mixed in with the false.
I’d be happy to talk with you more and explore your question together with you.
There is already a forum set up. It’s a good place you can talk to others about the WMSCOG:
http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/
You can also contact me through my blog:
encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com
Blessings,
genny
By: genny on July 13, 2010
at 9:08 am
Hi,
My name is Cloe. I’ve been meaning to do this for awhile but, i couln’t bring my self to do so until now. I am an ex-member of the World Mission Society Church of God. My choice in leaving the church was rather a turbulant and disappointing one to say the least. But what’s driving me to speak about this now with everyone is the overwhelming similaries of various experiences I felt and delt with throughout me being involved in that church. I sat here for the last 45 mins. reading various blogs and I must say I’M STUNNED! I THOUGHT I WAS ALONE IN THIS. FROM THE TIME I WAS BAPTISED, PASSOVER , CELEBRATING THE FEAST,SABBATH DAY & PREACHING I WAS DISGUSTED BY THE WAY I WAS TREATED & THE ABUNDANCE OF IGNORANTS. IT’S AMAZING TO SEE ALL OF THIS AS I NEVER LOOKED AT THE INTERNET TO LOOK UP ANYTHING ABOUT THE CHURCH (AND THEY DEFINETELY WARNED MEMBERS ABOUT THIS) I WAS MORE OR LESS FOCUSED ON HOW THEY REFERED TO THINGS HISTORICALLY. I DON’T WANT TO WRITE TO MUCH AS I STILL FEAR THEY MAY TRY AND CONTACT ME SOME HOW……YOU KNOW THE MATRIX IS WATCHING!!!!LOL BUT TO ANYONE WHO IS HOLDING ON TO ANY DOUGT OR QUESTIONING ANYTHING I TELL YOU NOW ……RUN AND DON’T LOOK BACK. I TRUELY BELIEVE NOWW MORE THAT EVER GOD ALLOWED ME TO EXPERIENCE THIS AND TO MAKE THE FAITH I THOUGHT I DIDN’T HAVE SHINE THRU. I REALLY MEAN THIS….RUN…RUN AND DON’T LOOK BACK THIS CHURCH IS NO GOOD. I’V BEEN GOOD SINCE 4/15/10 AND I HAVEN’T LOOKED BACK….RUN!!!
By: CLOE STAR82 on July 16, 2010
at 1:52 pm
My response to you CloeStar82, dont be afraid, speak out loudly what you have experienced. There is nothing that you have to be afraid of. In my opinion they are the ones that have to be afraid of people like you and I because we dont owe them nothing but they have took from us, ALL. How much of your time have you given to them, with their doctrine of “finding the lost brothers and sisters” (preaching), How many things did you have to give up like school, family or work to keep up with their demands, How much did you tolerated their humilation and rudness because you did a mistake or something that was not according to their rules, How much you have given them fanacially in thithes, offerings and free will offerings? Now ask yourself this questions and conclude if you really have to be afraid.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on July 18, 2010
at 2:13 pm
What Cloe says is true. What all the critics say is true. I have seen it firsthand by visiting the “church” and by observing what they have done to my son. I just read about their “church” at 305 Godwin Ave., in Ridgewood New Jersey. The community is in an uproar. All kinds of people in that neighborhood went in to the Village Council meeting to complain about the “church” in their midst and it’s activities. They harrass people, have church services (which spill out into the parking lot and make a racket) at least 18-20 hours per day. One day they even had a guy with a bullhorn up on the roof of the church shouting to the people int he parking lot. They have made it tough to find parking spaces in front of the people with homes there, and they get obnoxious if someone tries to talk to them about any of this. Four men accosted a teenage boy who cut across the church parking lot to visit a friend, as he had always done before they were there. They asked him what he wasd doing there and told him to get off church property and never come back. I’m surprised they didn’t try to recruit him, as they have nbeen aggressively, obnoxiously recruiting other teens, and there are reports of them hanging around the schools badgering kids as young as middle schoolers to join them. They were texting and calling one couples 8th grader incessantly. This is a problem, but people such as law enforcement and so forth are afraid to touch it because they mistakenly think they would be messing with issues of religious freedom. This issue doesn’t have to do with their beliefs, it’s their BEHAVIOR, and the HARM they do to others. What about the rights of those people in Ridgewood to enjoy their homes without blaring noises, car doors slamming, motors, and car alarms going off all over at all hours of the night and day? This will become a problem wherever the COG goes, and they do not respond to reason. They don’t care.
By: MountainMom on July 16, 2010
at 11:46 pm
Hey MountainMom! where did you read that?! It sounds like good material to post in the site. Definitely a cult red flag
By: Rick on July 22, 2010
at 11:12 am
You can email me at rjrick10@gmail.com
By: Rick on July 22, 2010
at 11:13 am
I looked up world mission society church of god ridgewood new jersey, and saw an article on the village council meeting they had. I tried to print it out so I would have it, but my printer wasn’t working. It was in their notes from a recent meeting, can’t remember the exact date, but someone there had also come in the year before and complained, and nothing was done. There were quite a few people there protesting their obnoxious behavior. I am still looking, trying to find it, but somehow I can’t locate it now. I’m sure the Village Council of Ridgewood has it in their notes, though. If I fiind it I will give it to you.
By: MountainMom on July 22, 2010
at 11:42 am
Rick, I called the Ridgewood Village council today, their phone number is 201-670-5510, and talked to a lady in the main office. She said their website for their meetings and notes is http://www.ridgewoodnj.net. On the left side is their link to their agenda and meetiings. Not all meetiings have notes available, but I am trying to look through all of them. I’ll keep working on it. I know someone who has a young adult person who attends that “church” and is beside herself about it. I am also iin that situation, same church, different town.
By: MountainMom on July 23, 2010
at 12:34 am
Is there anyone out there who can give a firsthand report on what is happening at the COGWMS at 305 Godwin Ave., Ridgewood, New Jersey? I know of one person who checks this blog and has some experience with them. When he tried to go into the church, the front door was locked, someone came out the side door and challenged him as to why he was there. He was denied access, as I understand it.
I still cannot find the minutes of that Ridgewood Village Council meeting, but will try to get a connection who actually lives there to find it for me. The one person I haven’t talked to is the actual person responsible for the note taking. He/she would definitely remember it. I’ll keep on it. Any person living in that immediate residential area would be a great source of info as well. They are very unhappy with the aggressive, obnoxious behavior of the members. I am desperately looking for EX Cog members to connect with as well. Those people would be very valuable resources.
By: MountainMom on August 2, 2010
at 12:16 am
I am an ex-church of god member. What I can tell you is the front door is never used to get inside unless they opened in special ocassions like Passover feast or any other festivities. You must go in trought the side door that is located through the sideway which leads to the parking lot.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on August 9, 2010
at 7:23 am
I have, with help, found the notes from the Ridgewood Village Council Meeting, taking about the Church on Godwin Ave., in Ridgewood, New Jersey. The link is: http://www.ridgewoodnj.net/minutes/CouncilWorkshop6-24-09
It is interesting to look at this, as it is so typical of their methods of operation. So, I guess we can add ruining communities as well as ruining family relationships, marriages, careers, etc.
By: MountainMom on August 12, 2010
at 3:58 am
That’s really interesting, MountainMom.
By the way, I couldn’t get the link to work on my computer, but I still found it. I’m going to try reposting the link, in case others have trouble too…
http://www.ridgewoodnj.net/minutes/CouncilWorkshop6-24-09.htm
I wonder how that community is doing with the church now…
By: genny on August 12, 2010
at 1:38 pm
Thanks for reposting the link. I hope people can access it more easily now. I don’t know how the community is doing with it now, but I know someone there who has a loved one in this cult there, and I think she may be able to give me some insight. Her situation is very similar to mine with my loved one, but our children are in different cities. I will post any new info I get, but will keep her anonymous, according to her wishes. I was also thinking of calling some of the community members listed in the Council Meeting, since their names and addresses were available. Firsthand info from these people could be very revealing.
Still looking for ex COG members who would be willing to talk to me. I understand that their experience was probably traumatic, and they might be reluctant to talk, but they could help others.
By: MountainMom on August 13, 2010
at 3:26 am
If CoG is considered a cult, then what makes the Catholic Church?
“Just believing” isn’t good enough. You need actions to support those beliefs.
By: Doug on August 15, 2010
at 1:00 pm
Ya and the actions required are works of love. Too bad the CoG only works to destroy people, families, communities and if they could, nations.
Zero love in the CoG, all hypocrisy, fear mongering and controlling.
By: Seeking Truth on August 15, 2010
at 1:17 pm
Not only is action needed, but proof is also needed. Sure, faith is the most essential, but if christians place all of their faith in God, then in order to be a true Christian one must have faith in the Bible, the one Holy book that makes the truth of God known to man physically. The Bible is our evidence book. The COG has their own evidence book with a bunch of stuff that may or may not be true, but the biggest error they have is their “facts” proving Ahn Sang Hong to be Jesus Christ’s second coming.
This is because Jesus was clearly Jewish and NOT Korean. It might be slightly believable if Ahn Sang Hong were a Jewish man living in Korea, but he is not – he was a Korean man who died and is buried in a grave. I say this with full confidence that he did not ascend to heaven, because the Bible says this:
Acts 13:34 The fact that God raised him from the dead, never to decay, is stated in these words: “‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David”.
Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever”.
Revelation 3:12 “Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name”.
These verses do NOT point out a new body, but rather a same Jesus Christ that died on a cross and was resurrected. This same Christ who showed scars on his hands from the nails to doubting Thomas will return one day with a glorified body, and we cannot know for sure but can assume He might just have those scars remaining. The only difference I see in Jesus’ return is the new name, which does NOT imply in any way that He will have a new body. A name is an identity or persona, not a new body or beginning. A name changes nothing except gives one new meaning. This will be the name of our God who will conquer the corrupted earth and re-create it to the paradise it was meant to be.
What I’m getting at is you cannot twist Bible verses to your own liking – that is a heresy. Certainly, some verses are two-fold and can be interpreted several ways, but verses concerning Jesus are clearly straight-forward and no puzzle to piece together. Jesus Christ was Jewish, is Jewish, thus if and when He returns He will be physically Jewish and NOT Korean, African, Hispanic, American, what have you. You cannot look me straight in the eye and tell me otherwise, there is no verse to prove a Korean man to be Christ. That would make reincarnation a perfectly okay belief in Christianity, yet christians would call that a heresy.
By: Pierce on August 15, 2010
at 3:18 pm
Just believing IS ENOUGH. If you faithfully believe with all your heart who the God in the bible is then good works will come out of it because of your love for God. It is not a ritual. It is not a requirement. It is absolutely nothing more than an honest loving work that you do for Christ. It is not to gain His favor. If our salvation depended on works then we would ALL be condemned to hell. Not one of us can earn the gift of salvation. It is given through grace and grace alone. And the good deeds we do are just out of love for our God, not because we are trying to gain His favor or guarantee our spot in heaven. NOTHING we can ever do on earth can help us get into heaven. No amount of money or gifts given to the church can give us salvation. You can’t tell people that getting baptized or giving whatever amount of money the church wants will help them be saved (as the CoG is telling people) because we can never be able to earn salvation.
So yes, just simply believing with all your heart who the God in the bible is is enough. After all, isn’t this what separates Christianity from religions? We believe in a God that loves us so much that gaining eternal life is just as easy as truly believing. True belief in the God in the bible will lead you to doing good deeds to serve the God who you love with all your heart, not to gain His favor but to have joy that you are serving the God who loves you.
By: Undesrving Sinner on August 16, 2010
at 3:52 pm
Only believe? Let’s see how God will judge us in Judgement day.
Rev 20
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. THE DEAD WERE JUDGE ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAD DONE as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
If we don’t make every effort to keep God’s commandments, we will not receive salvation.
Heb 4
11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.
Everybody is under God’s law. In our time we are under Christ law.
Jam 2
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
Indeed! Thanks to Heavenly Father and Mother. Truly I want to become children of promise like Isaac who have both God the Father and GOD THE MOTHER.
By: Bell on September 21, 2010
at 2:43 pm
if you guys are not sure in what you are saying then you guys better shut up. we are not perfect only God is perfect. So none of us can interpret the Bible perfectly.. You guys are making new interpretation of what Bible says..
By: michael on August 15, 2010
at 9:04 pm
I’m curious of your definition of God: who or what is God, Michael?
By: Pierce on August 16, 2010
at 1:24 am
Michael, it seems to me that Pierce is totally sure of what he was saying. Why would you even make the comment insinuatiing that he wasn’t? He seems to be emphatically sure and confident. I am also ABSOLUTELY sure the COG is a cult. No doubts at all that the COG twists Bible scripture to attain their own ends, which always winds up beiing “forsake your family relationships, give up your goals, and empty your pockets and retirement accounts for the fake Mother God.” Oh, and “so what if you and your family suffer? Suffering is the new happiness.”
By: MountainMom on August 16, 2010
at 9:03 am
– -I BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE PREACHING: SABBATH, PASSOVER BUT I ALSO BELIVE ITS MOSTLY ABOUT RECRUITING- –
By: (@_@') on August 22, 2010
at 2:55 pm
…have just recently about two weeks ago quit COG…started in January 2010…was there for five months regular basis…was thinking aaahhhh…this is peace…this is heaven….but then because of work had to leave for 25 days on the road…and this is the time I realised that I was hyptonised, was just played a fool….when i returned they asked me…where i had been and secondly..if my paid my dues…(tithes and 10%)…these guys/gals only seemed to be interested in that….then for next two weeks didn’t go to church…they kept calling…and the last…I just my door..and that’s final…my main reason in leaving I’m sure you all must be wondering …Why should my 10 year old daughter be talking about dieing…i say let’s do this..let’s go here/there…she says no use..we are to die soon….So yes..they were in the process of fully brainwashing my child..and i’m sure no parents would want that to happen…..Yes..you COGs..you are cults!
By: dincarnated1 on August 22, 2010
at 7:20 pm
John 5:39 Dunno bible, Dunno God. May God have Mercy on your souls. Father and Mother pls do not blame them for they do not know. Pls bless their souls…..
By: GodExists on August 23, 2010
at 6:26 pm
John 5:39, “You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me”
The Scriptures testify about Jesus. They do NOT testify about a Korean Christ (Ahnsahnghong) and a second god, “Mother”.
If you think the Scriptures testify about Ahnsahnghong as the christ and “Mother” as a second god, then please show me. You can start with a list of ALL the verses that talk about “Mother God”, not just a few debatable ones. And not a long sermon please, just a list of verses should be sufficient. After all, Old Testament verses about Jesus are clear without lots of explanations.
You can reach me here:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
or
http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum/
I look forward to hearing from you, GodExists, or anyone else who can give me that list of verses about “Mother.” You all always say that “Mother” is testified “all throughout the Bible”–well, show me.
By: genny on August 24, 2010
at 1:15 pm
For our salvation, God divided six thousand years into three ages : the age of the Father, the age of the Son, and the age of the Holy Spirit, and He allowed a different Savior’s name for each of these ages-the name of Jehovah in the age of the Father, the name Jesus in the age of the Son, and the name Ahnsahnghong in the age of the Holy Spirit.
Now we are living during the last age of the Holy Spirit. Thus, God has been administrating His plan of salvation, using the new Savior’s name, the name of the Holy Spirit-Ahnsahnghong. Salvation is only given to those who believe in the name of the Savior that God has allowed to the people living in that particular age. Because we are now living in the age of the Holy Spirit, we must receive the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong, as the Savior of this age.
Age of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit
Eccl. 3:1, KJV 『To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven…』
In this world, everyone has a certain goal and purpose for their lives. Likewise, we should set a certain goal for our faith: the salvation of our souls, eternal life.
1 Pet. 1:8-9 『Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.』
In order for His people to receive salvation, God divided six thousand years into three ages, and allowed a different Savior’s name for each age.
Matt. 28:19 『”Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”』
As is commonly known, the name of the Father is “Jehovah,” and the name of the Son is “Jesus.” Baptism is the first step that we can take towards becoming a child of God, and to be baptized correctly, we must first know the name of the Father, the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit.
The Savior in the Age of the Father
The most important aspect of our salvation is to know, and to receive, the name of the Savior. During the age of the Father, God granted salvation to those who believed in the name of Jehovah.
Isa. 43:11 『11I, I am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour..』
In the age of the Father, salvation was dependent upon knowing and accepting the name of Jehovah. Therefore, salvation was not given to those living in the age of the Father, who either didn’t know, or who refused to accept, the name of Jehovah.
When the age of the Father ended and the age of the Son began, Jehovah came in the flesh, using the name “Jesus,” as had been prophesied (Isa. 9:6-7).
The Savior in the Age of the Son
The Bible states that in the age of the Father there was no Savior apart from Jehovah, and that in the age of the Son there was no Savior apart from Jesus.
Acts 4:11-12 『”He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”』
When God gave the names of Jehovah and Jesus to the people, He did not explaine that each of these Savior’s names would only be used for a specific time period or age. Thus, many people have become confused, believing that the Bible contradicts itself.
With a full understanding of the Trinity, however, you will realize that the above verses hold no contradictions. Jesus is in His very nature God (Phil. 2:5), the very God Jehovah who granted salvation during the age of the Father. Since Jesus is, in fact, Jehovah, there is no contradiction between “There is no savior apart from Jehovah,” and, “There is no other name given to men by which we must be saved (apart from the name of Jesus.)”
During each age God allowed a different name of the Savior, and thus, each age also had a specified time frame and limit. In other words, salvation was given to those who had accepted the name of Jehovah in the age of the Father, and once the age changed to the age of the Son, salvation was given to those who pressed on to know and to accept the name of Jesus.
When God gave the name Jesus to the people-the Savior’s name in the age of the Son-only those who believed and called upon the name of Jesus Christ were able to receive salvation.
The Savior in the Age of the Holy Spirit
Now we are living in the age of the Holy Spirit. Thus, God has given us a new name of the Savior.
Rev. 3:12 『”Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.”』
Rev. 2:17 『”He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.”』
A “white stone with a new name written on it” is mentioned in the above verse. In this instance, the stone represents Jesus (1 Pet. 2:4), meaning that a new name other than the name of Jesus would be given to the people of that age.
Just as salvation was withheld from those who were stuck on the name of Jehovah and failed to receive Jesus as their Savior in the age of the Son (Rom. 15:4), salvation will never be given to those who are stuck on the name of Jesus in this age.
Those who had accepted the name of Jehovah for 3,500 years were not able to accept the name of Jesus in the age of the Son. Only the disciples accepted Jesus, the Savior in the age of the Son, who had come as prophesied. The Bible prophesied that there would be a Savior in the age of the Son. Even though Jesus came in fulfillment of all these prophecies, the people insisted on believing in only Jehovah, following their own ideas instead of Bible’s prophecy. Where are all of the people who lived in the age of the Son and who refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?
We must consider this matter carefully and break our own fixed ideas, allowing our minds to accept God’s thoughts. The Bible testifies that there will undoubtedly be a name for the Savior of the Holy Spirit’s age. We need to understand God’s providence of salvation-His allowing a different Savior’s name for each age-and we need to accept Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Savior’s name in this age of the Holy Spirit, Jesus’ new name.
Witness, Prayer, and Salvation in Each Age
Once we come to understand the time limitations of each age, it is very easy for us to understand how each age affected the salvation of God’s people. In the age of the Father, people were the witnesses of Jehovah (Isa. 43:10), they prayed in the name of Jehovah, and salvation was promised only through the name of Jehovah (Joel 2:32).
Once the age of the Son had begun, how did the people, who were to receive salvation, act? Did they insist on praying in the name of Jehovah as the witnesses of Jehovah, believing that they could only be saved through the name of Jehovah? Jesus’ disciples became the witnesses of Jesus (Acts 1:6), they prayed in the name of Jesus (John 16:24), and they received salvation only by believing the name of Jesus (Rom. 10:9).
Then, in the age of the Holy Spirit, of what name should we become the witnesses, what name should we use when we pray, and what name has the authority to give us salvation?
The name is Ahnsahnghong, Jesus’ new name (John 5:39).
Everyone living in this last age of the Holy Spirit! Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Savior of this age! Today, salvation is only given through the name of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and only those who are the witnesses of Christ Ahnsahnghong and pray in His name will be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Please believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, our Savior in the age of the Holy Spirit, so that you may receive eternal life!
By: Bell on September 21, 2010
at 2:10 pm
Deacon elwin from Melbourne is a poofter…
By: Lol on August 23, 2010
at 8:04 pm
Here’s a good question for those COG fellows: If there are to be many “Churches of God”, then why is it so hard to find one in Seattle via the web? I found out about them through a person I used to work with before I was laid off, who bumped into me randomly on a college campus one day and he decided to use that time to finally witness to me. He gave me an address to the church he goes to which I said I might look into it (though I had no intention to except to witness to him).
I asked this ex-co-worker for a website to the local “COG” website, and he could give me none. He said it’s cause he has no PC, but I looked up the site he gave me which was the official WMSCOG site, but there are no links to local church campuses locally in the Seattle area.
If they’re so gung-ho on reaching the world for their “lost souls”, why do they not advertise their church better? where are the local church websites for people to go to? It’s because they have secrets and they want their members to draw people in on it without drawing too many all at once, just like any small-but-growing cult :)
By: Pierce on August 24, 2010
at 8:56 pm
http://usa.watv.org/
Apparently I can’t login unless I have a “life code #”. I get this at my local church..
well pardon me, but where in the bloody hell do I even find a local church? I thought these guys are “church of god”? They ain’t spreading the news and getting people plugged in very well, are they?
Let’s face it: the TRUE church of God (the one that believes in a glorious second coming and no heavenly “mother”) has no secrets to hide, no members only folders, and no bull honkey. There will be resources everywhere to get one plugged in easily without hardship :)
By: Pierce on August 24, 2010
at 9:16 pm
Exactly, Pierce. They don’t want you to come to their church unless they personally recruited you. I was in Seattle recently and tried to find their church there out of curiosity. Ran into the same trouble you did. They recruit you, assign one over one discipleship (someone to watch your movements and “mentor” you) or you aren’t welcome, apparently. There is one in Portland, Oregon, as well, and it is the same story. They are secretive for a reason and it is all based on their need for deception and control.
Dincarnation1, I know you are totally sincere in your comments. It is all about money and control over your life. I sympathize with the brainwashing your daughter is going through. It is awful. They have a hold on my son that will not end untill they can’t get any more money from him. He cannot see it because we can’t get him away from them for any amount of time. He is so blind.
By: MountainMom on September 1, 2010
at 5:58 am
Deacon Elwin is a proofter…
By: Lol on September 3, 2010
at 9:09 pm
poofter
By: Lol on September 3, 2010
at 9:10 pm
poofter*
By: Lol on September 3, 2010
at 9:11 pm
Hello Everybody!
I am Rick from the website ahnsahnghong.biz. As many of you know, the website was taken down because of some legal actions that the church of god took against us. Even though they won that battle, they will never win the war.
We have started a new website at http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com , a forum at http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/forum and a blog at http://www.cultwatchahnsahnghong.com/blog. Please visit the website and support us. If anybody has any material or any information, please send it to us and we will put it up in the website. And if anybody has the time and is willing to be a writer in the blog, send me an email so we can set you up with an account.
I know that those who have family in this church must be in a lot of pain, I am in pain myself. I hope that through this efforts our family and friends can come back to us. If you have any questions, please dont hesitate in emailing me. Thank you. Take care.
By: Rick on September 5, 2010
at 1:47 am
The Feasta of Trumpets (also called Rosh Hashanah or Yom Teruah) is supposed to be held on the “first day of the seventh month” (Lev. 23:24)
Passover occurs in the first month (Lev. 23:5).
BUT counting from when the WMSCOG kept Passover this year, they have their Feast of Trumpets scheduled for the EIGHTH month, not the seventh.
It’s like this:
Let’s look at this year 2010—
The WMSCOG kept Passover on March 29.
So the new moon of March 15 marks the first month.
The new moon of April 14 begins the second month.
The new moon of May 13 begins the third month.
The new moon of June 12 begins the fourth month.
The new moon of July 11 begins the fifth month.
The new moon of August 9 begins the sixth month.
The new moon of September 8 begins the seventh month.
The new moon of October 7 begins the eighth month.
The WMSCOG has their Feast of Trumpets scheduled for Oct. 8, 2010.
They are always sticklers for keeping the Feasts at their correct date and time.
Why are they keeping this year’s Feast of Trumpets/Day of Atonement/Feast of Tabernacles in the eighth month instead of the seventh month?
I think their excuse will be something about that these dates are supposed to be in the autumn season, and Sept. 8 is not officially fall yet. But that doesn’t matter. Fall will have officially started before this series of Feasts is finished. And the Bible says that these dates must be in the seventh month.
A similar thing happened in 2005 and 2008. (If you need more details about that, go to http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com )
It’s just another thing that makes it SO CLEAR to me that Mother Jerusalem is NOT God! She can’t even arrange her own church’s calendar to follow her own teachings.
PS–please visit Rick’s websites too (previous post)–they’re great resources.
By: genny on September 10, 2010
at 2:47 am
Genny,
Thank you for pointing out still another contradiction of the COG. They are so adamant that a member MUST attend church on Saturday, MUST go on Tuesday, and MUST go on Passover, yet they feel free to change anything that doesn’t suit them whenever they feel like it.
Also, they often say they want to “shout it from the rooftops” about the Mother, yet they hide their church locations. My son said there is one in Portland and also in Seattle, and I know there are, but you can find absolutely nothing about their locations. You can’t fiind their churches unless they want you to. You have to have a “code” to use on the internet, or you can find nothing. I guess they don’t want any drop-ins. Just can’t imagine why.
The latest thing they have talked my son into is fasting. No food, and NO WATER for 3 days! Of course, they would like him to go longer, as his Pastor told him he went 5 days once, and “The Mother” went 7 days. I have heard that a person can only go without water 3 days! How could they have gone 5-7 days? Since the feasts are coming up in October, I suppose the sleep deprivation of going to 5 AM services and also till late at night for three weeks, and then food and water deprivation also, makes for the exact conditions they need for classic braiinwashiing techniques. My son is taking medications for depression, which has worsened tremendously siince his involvement with the church. I am not sure how taking his medications will work with this encouragement to fast and forego sleep, but I feel it will be disastrous. I am so worried about his health and mental state. His wife has tried to dissuade him, but he gets so angry when she says anything contrary to what the church says, that she is actually afraid, and for good reason.
Also, apparently, when my son went to Korea, the Mother told him through an interpreter that his wife will go to heaven. She has told my son she will never join the church, so how can this be? Another contradiciton. Of course, my son has stepped up his harrassment of her to attend, because he took that statement as a sign that she will eventually join. He will lose this wonderful girl who has loved him so thoroughly and put up with so much, and he will never get another like her. It is such a shame. She told the Pastor his involvement with the church is destroying their marriage, but they actually stepped up their control methods as a result. They get control of all his free time, so that he has NO time for his wife anymore. The only way she can be with him is to go to church functions, and she will not.
By: MountainMom on September 13, 2010
at 12:34 am
Genny, I will find a way to present this contradiction about the Feast of Trumpets to my son in a questioning way to get him to possibly figure out that they bend rules when it suits them. Yet their members can NEVER disobey rules or they are told they will lose salvation, or “be injured.” Pure manipulation.
By: MountainMom on September 15, 2010
at 5:55 am
Here’s another great link.
It’s to a video of Steve Hassan talking about the “Strategic Interaction Approach” to Destructive Mind Control Cults.
He is a former cult member (the Moonies) and now runs the Freedom of Mind Center.
It’s almost an hour and a half long, but worth it, I think…
http://www.freedomofmind.com/stevehassan/steve-hassan-on-the-strategic-interaction-approach-2003/
By: genny on September 15, 2010
at 9:49 am
I am praying for everyone who has been deceived by this cult and I have no doubt that God will rescue all of them.
By: Karen Linnett on September 16, 2010
at 3:03 am
If the Church of God is a Cult! Then Christianity itself is a cult
When reading the cult watch website you come across a section entitled: “How does the WMS Church of God brainwash its members?” In this section Ted goes through a checklist of what he calls “coercive techniques.” Ted considers these techniques as guidelines to qualify a group as a cult. However if we are going to judge what a cult is according to these techniques, then Christianity itself is the biggest cult to ever exist. How can this be possible? Let us see through verses from the Bible:
1) Cults Claim to Have all Knowing leadership:
John 21:17 {the third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.}
2) Cults only teach you up to what you are able to believe:
Hebrews 5:11 {We much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.}
3) Cults claim no room for differences (Everybody is the same):
Colossians 3:11 {Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.}
4) Cults claim to introduce a new and better way:
Hebrews 7:18-19 {the former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.}
5) Cult members should imitate cult leader:
Philippians 2:5 {your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus}
Also Colossians 3:11 of example 3.
6) Cults isolate you from your family:
Matthew 10:37 {anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me}
7) Cults Brainwash ignorant and people who have no critical thinking.
Acts 4:13 {when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.}
8) Cults Recruit people:
Mk 16:15-16 {He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned}
9) Cults always claim Persecution of the Leader:
Acts 22:6-8 {“About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.}
10) Cults have ignorant leaders:
John 7:14-16 {Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”}
11) Cults try to keep members busy:
Acts 2:46-47 {every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
12) Cult leaders always try to gain your trust:
John 14:1 {“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me}
13) Cults believe that by your actions you prove your faith:
James 2:17 {in the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, Is dead.}
14) Cults claim salvation is through obedience before the end comes:
Matthew 24:42 {“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.}
15) Cults make members dependant to the cult leader:
John 15:5 {“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.}
16) Cults claim that there is no exit apart from the cult:
John 6:67-68 {“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.}
17) Cult members claim to have “Spiritual Battles”:
Ephesians 6:12 {for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.}
18) Cults try to keep things secret:
Matthew 17:9 {As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”}
19) Cult leaders claim to be the only way, and supreme authority:
John 14:6 {Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.}
And for the sake of space and time, I omitted the teachings of: Judaism, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Copernicus, Galileo…etc.
If we are going to judge groups and organizations by these standards, then every single organization and religion is a cult. We should not judge the Church of God by these standards, rather we should see if the teachings that the Church practices come from God or not. To label the World Mission Society Church of God as a cult is no different from when the Jewish religious leaders called the Apostles a Nazarene sect. Please don’t commit the same mistake as 2,000 years ago.
By: Bell on September 21, 2010
at 2:04 pm
Karen and Genny, do you have any access to former members? It would be helpful. I have read Hassan’s book “Releasing the Bonds”, and it really did help my state of mind. I am doing all I can to follow what he is saying to do as far as keeping contact and being as positive with my son as I possibly can. I hope to get my son to a place where he can open up and we can have frank conversations, and then maybe I can make some headway.
By: MountainMom on September 16, 2010
at 5:37 am
Hello Mountain Mom, your son is doing what he believes is right to do.
Why do you love your son so much??
Didnt Jesus said that “Anyone who loves his mother or father or anything else is not worthy of Me”. Your son is doing right in the Lord.
Anyway ,do you read the Bible??
I think u love reading other books than the Bible.
Get to know the Lord through the Bible itself.
By: child123 on October 14, 2010
at 6:03 pm
oooh! I just ordered that book, MountainMom. I can’t wait to read it.
The only access I’ve had to former members is through the internet at the Cult Watch forum. I don’t know how to go about finding any locally, unfortunately.
By: genny on September 16, 2010
at 7:39 am
The character Abraham is used to represent God in the Bible. Through the history of Abraham’s family, God has revealed to us how we can inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac was the one who received Abraham’s inheritance. Even though Abraham had another son named Ishmael, born through Hagar, God did not allow Ishmael to receive the inheritance of Abraham. Rather, God bestowed the inheritance upon Isaac, who was born through Sarah. The reason why Isaac was chosen as Abraham’s heir was that Isaac was the son of Sarah, who was free. This history shows us that the heavenly inheritance will be given to those who are born of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that our heavenly Mother does in fact exist and that She is truly the biggest mystery hidden within the Bible.
Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Abraham Represents God
First of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.
Luke 16:19-31 『”…The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham…’ “』
As you know, this parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham can be likened to the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac, the Heir of Abraham
Then, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir. There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Gen. 15:1-4 『…But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』
When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.
Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.
Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』
When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three?Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac?Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
The Key Factor in Deciding an Heir Is “Mother”
Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir. Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.
In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir? that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.
What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.
Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother?only the children who are born through the new covenant?can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:22-31 『…But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother…Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
In today’s world, there are three types of people: those who are like Eliezer, those like Ishmael, and those who are like Isaac. The first type of people, who are like Eliezer, are atheists, who do not believe in Father God or in Mother God. The second type of people, who are like Ishmael, are those who believe in Father God, but do not believe in Mother God. The third type of people, who are like Isaac, are those who believe in Mother God as well as Father God. According to the history of Abraham’s family, which one of these three types can become an heir of the kingdom of heaven? Only the third type of people, who are like Isaac, can be recognized as God’s heirs. There is no doubt about it.
Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.
God said, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). What kind of knowledge is God referring to in this verse? We must recognize that we have a God the Mother, as well as a God the Father. We must accept Elohim God. Also, we must firmly believe that God is our Mother, who gives us salvation alongside our Father. Only after we come to realize this can we say that we have the knowledge of God, and that we will not be those who are destroyed from a “lack of knowledge.”
The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on September 21, 2010
at 2:00 pm
You WMSCOG folks DO believe that throwing Bible verses around only can come straight back to you in a circle, right? Just as you throw out at us “Contemporary Christian” church-goer “heathens” the verse about “diligently studying scripture” but not knowing God’s truth…. the same can apply to you as well, I hope you realize.
Watch what you say and do. It is not your proselytizing nor your fancy wording or knowledge of scripture that will win people over to Christ; moreover, it is the joy of salvation through the Holy Spirit living within a person, that in the Father is found restoration through Jesus Christ. Because of the Father’s love for us, we too love Him and His creation also. It is only natural for the true Christian to love people if he genuinely loves God..
thus, I encourage you COG believers to look deep inside of your doctrine. do your pastors encourage you to love others? Don’t you see the truth behind the ex-COG members’ stories? They all have one common theme: threats and phonecalls if ever they backslide or turn from faith. Jesus certainly taught the church to have discipline and order in the church, but never to force religion or try to persuade an unbeliever, nor to resent our brother who has fallen into temptation and threaten them if they don’t stand back up. They will know we are christians by our love, and they’ll know who the anti-christ is by the hatred. Ahn Sang Hong’s religion turned out to be a blasphemous hate-spreading animosity.
By: Pierce on September 21, 2010
at 3:12 pm
The Bible testifies about God; it testifies of Elohim [Gods]―God the Father and God the Mother. The 66 books of the Bible consistently speak not only the truth about God the Father but also the truth about God the Mother, through the relationship between Adam and Eve, the history of Abraham’s Family, the prophecy of the New Jerusalem, and so on.
To know Christ as the Father and Mother is the greatest mystery of the Bible. The god of this world [the devil] has blinded people’s minds, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ (2 Co 4:4).
Only those who are redeemed through the blood of Christ can receive wisdom and understanding from God and realize the mystery of God.
Solomon’s wise judgment
Solomon is known as the wisest man in the world. He was the son of King David and the third king of Israel. He was famous for his wisdom; people from all nations came to hear his wisdom.
The Bible records that Solomon was given wisdom by God. He offered a thousand burnt offerings and prayed earnestly, and God appeared to him in a dream. Then he asked God for wisdom and understanding to discern justice. There continuously arose many disputes among his people; so he asked for wisdom to become a fair judge as their king, that he might discern right and wrong and none of them would suffer the injustice of being subject to a bad judgment.
God granted him not only the wisdom, but also the riches and honor which he did not ask for. King Solomon surpassed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom. God’s wisdom was reflected in Solomon’s decision. Among all his judicial decisions, the Bible precisely records only one case in which he discovered who the true mother was.
1 Ki 3:16-28 『. . . One of them said, “My lord, this woman and I live in the same house . . . The third day after my child was born, this woman also had a baby. We were alone; there was no one in the house but the two of us. During the night this woman’s son died because she lay on him . . . So she got up in the middle of the night and took my son from my side while I your servant was asleep. She put him by her breast and put her dead son by my breast. The next morning, I got up to nurse my son―and he was dead! But when I looked at him closely in the morning light, I saw that it wasn’t the son I had borne.” The other woman said, “No! The living one is my son; the dead one is yours.” But the first one insisted, “No! The dead one is yours; the living one is mine.” And so they argued before the king. The king said, “. . . Bring me a sword.” So they brought a sword for the king. He then gave an order: “Cut the living child in two and give half to one and half to the other.” The woman whose son was alive was filled with compassion for her son and said to the king, “Please, my lord, give her the living baby! Don’t kill him!” But the other said, “Neither I nor you shall have him. Cut him in two!” Then the king gave his ruling: “Give the living baby to the first woman. Do not kill him; she is his mother.” When all Israel heard the verdict the king had given, they held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.』
There was no witness, and the two women in dispute over one living baby appealed to Solomon for justice, each claiming to be the birth mother of the living child. Solomon discovered the true mother of the baby by her love for her child, and returned the living son to her.
In Solomon’s judgment, we find out that his God-given wisdom enabled him to discern the true mother. The Bible testifies of God, and everything that was written in the past was written to teach us (Jn 5:39; Ro 15:4). The story of Solomon’s judgment between the two mothers was not written to admire his wisdom, but to testify of God and teach us something spiritual.
God’s wisdom manifested in Solomon’s judgment
God gave wisdom to Solomon, that he could recognize who the true mother was and gave the real mother back her child. Likewise, God in His wisdom has made known to us the heavenly Mother. We have received our heavenly Mother; like Solomon, we should help the poor souls wandering aimlessly around the world and let them know who the true Mother is.
Gal 4:26-31 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: “Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible clearly tells us that there is our spiritual Mother above (in heaven). We were angels in heaven, but our sins separated us from our Mother and caused us to be cast down to the earth. Because of the sins we had committed in heaven, we lost our memory and couldn’t remember our Mother.
Our sins caused our Mother to come from heaven to this earth (Isa 50:1). The Apostle John saw in a vision the new Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb, coming down out of heaven. “More are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” This prophecy implies that our Mother raises Her children alone here on earth after our Father went up to heaven but She has even more children than any woman who has a husband.
The evil one teaches that Mother does not exist
The Bible clearly reveals the existence of the spiritual Mother. However, our wicked enemy the devil has been deceiving all people for thousands of years into believing that Mother does not exist. He teaches lies and people foolishly believe them. In Revelation, we can see that the devil deceives all people living on the earth.
Rev 13:6-15 『He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them . . . Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth . . .』
The devil is the deceiver of deceivers. When he tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden, he wickedly perverted God’s word and deceived her into following his way. And now he is deceiving the inhabitants of the earth into believing that Mother does not exist.
It is clearly recorded in the Bible, “our Mother,” so that everybody can easily see. Nevertheless, most people deny the existence of Mother and reject Her. It is because they are spiritually deceived by Satan. Once they are tempted, although we show them clear and convincing evidence that Mother exists, they would not accept it.
1 Jn 5:18-19 『We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.』
We belong to God, but the whole world is under the rule of the evil one. The devil, the wicked one, makes up many lies and teaches them. One of them is that God the Mother does not exist. The whole world has been deceived by his false teaching.
Think of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Eating the fruit of the tree would result in death. However, when Adam and Eve looked at the fruit after being tempted by Satan, it looked good for food, pleasant to the eyes and also desirable to make one wise. Being deceived, they lost the ability to discern between good and evil.
Biblical testimonies to our heavenly Mother
We need to receive wisdom from God like Solomon, in order that we may discern our true Mother. Through the history of Creation in six days, we can clearly find our Father and our Mother as well, the Creators.
Ge 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
God created man in His own image, then male and female were created in the image of God. This proves that there is the female image of God as well as the male image of God. We call the male image of God “Father.” What should we call the female image of God?
When God created man, He said, “Let us make man.” It is Elohim [God the Father and God the Mother] who said, “Let us . . .” here.
The devil knows well that if our spiritual eyes are opened to recognize our Mother, his world will be destroyed soon. So what he fears the most is that the glory of our Mother is revealed. Eve was to be the serpent’s enemy as described in Genesis.
Ge 3:14-15 『So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”』
There is an enmity between the serpent and the woman, the devil and the Mother. God put enmity between them in order to reveal the heavenly Mother to us.
The ancient serpent, the devil, is basically the enemy of our Mother and also the enemy of ours. If those on Mother’s side become strong, those on Satan’s side naturally become weak. The serpent crushes our heel, but we shall crush his head and finally win the victory over him. While crushing the head is fatal, striking the heel will not cause death.
Under the Old Law, he who did not obey his father and mother was considered evil and put to death (Dt 21:18-21). God’s laws given in the Old Testament were only a shadow of the heavenly things. The law in Deuteronomy 21 shows that if one does not obey the spiritual Father and Mother, he will not enter into eternal life but go into destruction.
Unless we find our Mother, we become spiritually orphaned. Satan, who knows this, has deceived the world into believing that there is no Mother.
So the people cannot even imagine that God the Mother exists, calling God, “Father, Father.” However, we belong to God; our Father has made known to us our heavenly Mother and brought us into Her arms. We truly give thanks to our Father for this.
Divine providence revealed by the sun and moon and stars
God’s existence is evident to us through nature which He created. We can confirm the existence of our heavenly Mother through the sun, the moon and stars.
Ge 37:9-10 『Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”』
Joseph, the eleventh son of Jacob, had a dream in which the sun and moon and eleven stars bowed down to him. When he told the dream to his family, his father scolded him, saying, “Will I and your mother and brothers bow down to you?” Why did Jacob interpret the sun, moon and the stars as symbolical of his household?
This is not just a dream. Through Joseph’s dream and its interpretation, God has made known to us our heavenly family relationship: our Father represented by the sun, our Mother by the moon, and we the children by the stars. When the Apostle Paul wrote to the churches in Corinth, he explained that the sun has its own glory, the moon another glory, and the stars a different glory.
1 Co 15:38-41 『But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.』
The above verses say that there are many stars, and that one star differs from another in glory; the sun or the moon is not mentioned to be many. As it is written in Da 12:3 that “those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars for ever and ever,” God’s children are compared to the stars. So the sun represents the Father, the moon the Mother, and the stars the children.
God’s invisible power and divine nature are reflected in all things (Ro 1:20). Nature created by God serves as a textbook that teaches us God’s providence. In the daytime, when the sun shines, the moon and stars do not appear. However, when the sun is sinking behind the western hills, then the moon appears, accompanied by the stars.
God said that He would give us, His children, honor and praise among all the peoples of the earth in the last days (Zep 3:18-20). For this, the Father’s ministry of the gospel must be completed and our Mother has to appear. So the Father accomplished His ministry of 37 years according to the prophecy of King David, and then the glory of the Mother along with ours began to appear. Without Mother, we cannot reach eternal salvation, nor can we share in the heavenly glory. To prevent people from realizing that, the devil blinds their eyes, stops their ears and hardens their hearts.
Let us be like Solomon
Jesus spoke the following phrase: “. . . as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings . . . .” At a hen’s clucking, not a rooster’s crow, chicks gather. Likewise, at Mother’s loving voice, the children of heaven, scattered throughout the world, return to Her.
Mother cries out, “Do no harm to My children,” enduring heartbreaking pain. Mother’s earnest cry will be a message of life that awakens the spirits of the children deceived by Satan.
We shall be joyful always, for our heavenly Mother is with us. With a firm faith in Mother’s existence, we the children of Zion shall stand up against the evil tricks of the devil who tries to blind our minds so that we cannot realize Mother. Let’s all be like Solomon and help our brothers and sisters, who are wandering around like orphans all over the world, to know our Mother and meet Her.
Col 3:1 『Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.』
God’s children must find the Jerusalem that is above, the heavenly Mother. The devil our wicked enemy slanders us and entices us with lies so that we will not know the existence of Mother. However, we belong to God, our Father and Mother.
Children of Zion! Let’s not forget the love and grace of our heavenly Father and Mother who have come to save us. We are obligated to preach the good news to the ends of the earth. Like Solomon, let us lead our brothers and sisters, scattered among all nations, into the loving arms of our heavenly Mother, who always cares about the lives of Her children. Let them hear our Mother’s earnest voice!
By: Bell on September 21, 2010
at 5:24 pm
God bless you Brother Bell. Please stop coming to this website. Remember:
Matthew 7:6″Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
We don’t preach to anti-Church of God websites. If you invite them face to face Bible study, they hide because they can’t handle to truth. Don’t worry Brother Bell because all they are doing is fulfilling a prophecy. True children of God will only listen to God’s words.
John 10:27-28 – 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY HAND.
Brother Bell, may Heavenly Father and Mother bless you abundantly.
By: brofromzion on September 21, 2010
at 5:44 pm
BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ZION, PLEASE DO NOT COME TO THIS WEBSITE AND ALL OTHER WEBSITE THAT SPEAKS AGAINST WORLD MISSION SOCIETY CHURCH OF GOD. LET’S NOT WASTE TIME HERE. RATHER LET US QUICKLY FIND OUR LOST BROTHERS AND SISTERS SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR HEAVENLY HOME TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. SURELY AS CHILDREN OF GOD, WE WILL BE WITH OUR HEAVENLY FATHER CHRIST AHNSAHNGHONG AND HEAVENLY MOTHER JERUSALEM FOREVER AND EVER. GOD BLESS YOU MY HEAVENLY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
Missionary Elijah
By: Elijah on September 21, 2010
at 6:02 pm
Exactly, don’t even bother witnessing to us true Christians because we will not believe. And clearly, it’s no use to witness to you COG believers, because you have already fallen past the point of prey – you are being slowly digested as I type this. Consumed by the brainwashing bull crap that Zang Gil-Jah’s goons of preachers have created. I don’t forbid you from ever finding the truth, but the Bible does speak of how useless it is to talk to people like you about Jesus Christ’s love. You simply will not believe, because you hold on to fairy tales and preach other gospels aside from Jesus Christ.
You preach about false christs and false righteousness. You speak about how we are in a “new age”, the “age of the Holy Spirit”, yet you continue to wallow in the Mosaic law, which we are dead to thanks be to the LORD & Son of God Jesus Christ. The Pauline epistles tell us we ought be dead to the Old Law (the law of Moses), because in Christ it is dead to us; we shall sin no more. This does not mean we will never make another mistake, but rather we will not habitually sin anymore and because of Christ’s grace we have the power to be lifted and free from it while we are on this earth and one day be restored to perfection on the day when God restores all to where it should be.
The old law is not evil, yet proclaims death, but the new law in Christ proclaims life. Which will you choose? Furthermore, it is not baptism that saves, nor is it our works. Those are subsequent to salvation. Salvation comes first by hearing, then by receiving – confession by mouth that one is a sinner and that Jesus Christ is LORD, then such things lead to repentance of sins, and then one becomes baptized to symbolize their new life in Christ and good works come by a deep and passionate Love for God.
John 3:16 is the one of the only verses we need know concerning the essence of Salvation. All other verses are beneficial, but knowing that God so loved the World that His Son was sent to die for us and be resurrected that we who believe shall not perish but receieve eternal life? Nothing else is needed but grace alone. God still wishes us to tithe into His Kingdom, but you don’t tithe to “keep in good reports” with God. You Church of God folks have no real relationship with Christ, only a facade of what you think is real. It’s all fake. It’s all the same. Every COG person acts the exact same way.
Why is it that on FaceBook when I try to ask WMSCOG believers about their faith, and try to question them with scripture, they ALL give me the SAME EXACT verses with the same exact meaning and the same exact attitude? I’m not saying they are robots, but I am saying they sure act like it when it comes to their religion and faith in God. Stagnance is key to COG it appears to me. Why would I want to be involved with such a ridiculous and blasphemous heresy? Where was the COG in the early church days if the Catholic Church was so bad?
Why, if the name of the “Holy Spirit” of this age is so important, does the new testament church speak so often of receiving the Holy Spirit, yet not once until the 1900’s is the “name” given outside of scripture?
Ahn Sang Hong is a liar and a fraud, and so is his harlot of a wife who has fallen from the LORD’s grace. If she asks forgiveness and repents, she shall be saved but I don’t see it coming. I will pray for her peace and that she repents of her wretched acts and follows the LORD in a correct manner, so she may benefit the true work of God and worship the ALMIGHTY “I AM”.
By: Pierce on September 21, 2010
at 11:25 pm
Ah! brofromzion and Elijah, so you do still check on these websites! Have you read mine too?
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
I think the reason you don’t want WMSCOG members like Bell and yourselves to come to these sites is because you might actually find something that challenges your faith and makes you doubt. You shouldn’t worry. If your faith is valid, it can stand up to scrutiny.
And you still don’t seem to understand that not everyone is close enough to one of your churches to meet and study in person.
Pierce makes some good points. You should consider them.
And do you have an answer to my big question this month? —
*****Why is the WMSCOG keeping the fall Feasts in the eighth month instead of the seventh month?*****
Do a little research yourself (or check on my blog, I’ve already done it). Look at the dates of the Feasts the WMSCOG has kept for the past several years, and then look at the record of new moons.
The fall Feasts are to be kept in the 7th month, but the WMSCOG kept them in the 8th month in 2005 and 2008, and this year 2010.
Isn’t that an indication that something is not right if they can’t keep their own rules?
Don’t just accept any answer from your pastor, but think for yourself about it.
By: genny on September 22, 2010
at 1:47 am
To Pierce and Genny and the rest of people who are not from Church of God,
First of all God bless to all of you. Look I’m not here to debate nor I will ever again. I only want to guide our new members who haven’t understand why we shouldn’t come to your websites and explain to them that Satan is using the internet big time to deceive the true children of God and I’m talking about the “Children who have Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother”, if that were possible, lol. If you both are happy coming to this website then that’s your choice. About the blogs and cult watch site, I’ve seem them all, old and new, and it never change. Same shallow arguments from the Bible but very easy to debunk your entire cult watch site. Just because our members don’t argue in your websites doesn’t mean you guys got us big time. Your absolutely wrong because you guys are the ones who don’t understand the Bible. And do you think we’ll just explain to you all the deeper knowledge of the secrets of Kingdom of Heaven by answering all your shallow questions? Never! Again if you all want to truly study the Bible in Zion with the intention of truly finding out the truth and not just being faultfinders(if that were possible), please set up an appointment and we’ll have personal Bible study whether at your house or in our Zion. Actually I took all your shallow arguments from your blog Genny and from the new cult watch site and took it to the Zion I go to and showed it to our members. I debunked every single arguments and showed them how much you Genny and the rest of cult watch supporters don’t understand the Bible. It’s quite comical, lol! But that’s not our true goal. We all just want to return to our Heavenly Home the Kingdom of Heaven by finding our lost Brothers and Sisters. We don’t want to stay here on earth, the spiritual prison. Well I’m done talking here. So Genny and Pierce and to all people who are not from Church of God, good luck to the path you all choose. And Genny, like you said, the time will come when the light of the truth will be seen to the whole world and we’ll find out when we all go back to the spiritual world. For me, I’m 100% firmly believe in Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother Jerusalem because She will take Her children back to the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s all in the Bible and I’m so thankful that I understand the mysteries of the parables in the Bible. This is the last time you will hear from me. :)
By: Elijah on September 22, 2010
at 6:17 am
Well, Elijah,
If you’ve read all my “shallow” arguments and “debunked” them, at least that means you read them. And perhaps you will remember them when the time comes and your “Heavenly Mother” reveals who she really is–a regular human like all of us. And after you recover from that shock, I hope you will come to know the true God who is willing to show you grace and mercy even still.
You know how to find me if you ever want to talk. And I promise I won’t lay the “I-told-you-so” guilt trip on you. I think it would be wonderful if someone like yourself turned out to be a great warrior for the one true God.
By: genny on September 22, 2010
at 7:33 am
Due to the various stereotypes concerning Catholics, I being a protestant believer myself, I have not been too fond of Catholic doctrine in the past; however, after reading much of St. Augustine’s City of God and the Roman Catholic Catechism, I have come to find that their beliefs do have solid ground in truth if they truly love God..
Here’s a belief on the Trinity from the Catechism.
The dogma of the Holy Trinity
253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: “The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God.”84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), “Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.”85
254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. “God is one but not solitary.”86 “Father”, “Son”, “Holy Spirit” are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: “He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son.”87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: “It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds.”88 The divine Unity is Triune.
255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: “In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance.”89 Indeed “everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship.”90 “Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son.”91
256 St. Gregory of Nazianzus, also called “the Theologian”, entrusts this summary of Trinitarian faith to the catechumens of Constantinople:
Above all guard for me this great deposit of faith for which I live and fight, which I want to take with me as a companion, and which makes me bear all evils and despise all pleasures: I mean the profession of faith in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. I entrust it to you today. By it I am soon going to plunge you into water and raise you up from it. I give it to you as the companion and patron of your whole life. I give you but one divinity and power, existing one in three, and containing the three in a distinct way. Divinity without disparity of substance or nature, without superior degree that raises up or inferior degree that casts down. . . the infinite co-naturality of three infinites. Each person considered in himself is entirely God. . . the three considered together. . . I have not even begun to think of unity when the Trinity bathes me in its splendor. I have not even begun to think of the Trinity when unity grasps me. . .92
By: Pierce on September 22, 2010
at 8:07 am
http://www.trektorome.com/misunderstandings-of-the-world-mission-society-church-of-god/
For people from World Mission Society, I concede that perhaps you guys may be right. But lets have a logical study of scripture, if it turns out that your interpretations are the most parsimonious explanation of scripture, then I will concede that you are right. Please click the link above to see an alternative explanation to the verses that you frequently put forth.
By: Anonymous on September 25, 2010
at 2:20 pm
Its so strange that the same things we say to them, they say to us.
We are giving our interpretation of scripture and say that we are right and they are wrong, and that God bless them and that we pray that God will reveal the truth to them.
And they give their interpretation of scripture and say that they are right and we are wrong, and that God bless us and that they pray that God will reveal the truth to us.
Its like a endless circle. -.- Seems like both parties have an agenda to believe their interpretation because people are always resistant to change. How do we know that the methods bible scholars use to interpret scripture are the best or least flawed matters?
Perhaps love changes opinions and not reason. And in the whole debate, it seems frequently that neither parties show love. Both always seem to say ‘God bless you, you’re going to hell, i hope God reveals the truth to u, but i secretly hope God doesnt and that you go to hell for your ignorance’.
Sigh.
By: Anonymous on September 25, 2010
at 2:26 pm
Not like these kinds of questions haven’t been asked a bunch of times by many of us already.. but..
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come.” (NAS, Matthew 24:14)
Jesus is saying to us He will not come back to bring about His wrath and the New Creation/Jerusalem/Heaven until all the earth has heard of the Gospel. This means that Christ could not have come back for the Second Coming, because we still have work to do.
“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.” (NIV, Mark 13:32-33)
If the “era” of the “Father” has passed, then the “era” of the “Son” has passed, and now we are in the “age” of the “Holy Spirit”, why is it that the Son does not know the day or hour when He will come? After all, according to WMS, the Son is indeed one and the same as the Father..
While I agree God is one in all, I believe He is equally 3. Not 3 gods, but 3 personalities that make 1 God. How else could their be a relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Is God a schizophrenic? No. God is a Triune Almighty who is equally One.
furthermore…
1 John 2:19-3:3
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.[a] 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Examine closely. Notice the beginning speaks of a sect of Christianity that started out with genuine Christ following, then went off the rail and decided to make their own belief system.. in essence, a cult. In those times, it was the Gnostic believers, among many other strange doctrines. The original Christian church, whether it was Catholic, founded by church fathers, protestant, whatever you want to believe.. it was NEVER World Missions Society Church of God. In the beginning, it was Jesus’ disciples and the folks who were in the upper room at Pentecost who received the Holy Spirit.
If such is the case, WMS came “out of” the roots of Christianity. They started their own interpretation of doctrine, outside of what has been common grounds for all Christians for 2000+ years.
To add to that, again.. why would one need to know the Father to know the Son, and the Son to know the Father? Because they are 2 separate individuals. WMS followers say that calling on the name of the Father nor the Son is valid anymore. Whether you believe in praying to the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit, they are all one and the same God. God hears you no matter which of His names you call him.
I believe He still hears the Jews when they call upon the Father. The Jews may not have salvation in Jesus Christ, but I don’t believe our God would forsake a people He so awesomely cares for.. if the Jews give worship to God, I am certain though He wishes they would get the bigger picture, He still adores their worship.
Thus, I believe God hears us no matter what time or day we worship Him, and that His names are all valid, beings He is indeed omnipresent, omnipotent, and omnieverything!
By: Pierce on September 25, 2010
at 2:26 pm
Great forum Anonymous! Very well said stuff. I never would have thought of the idea of Mother Jerusalem contradicting the “us” from Genesis to the “no other gods before Me” in the 10 commandments. Very good insight.
By: Pierce on September 25, 2010
at 2:30 pm
According to the “inner group” of the WMSCOG branch I used to attend, “Father” is supposed to be returning and taking his children home by no later than the end of this year (2010). If this apocalypse does not come to pass, what are they going to say? The typical card they play in this instance is “father” or “mother” (aka God) decided to show pity on their sinful children and push the deadline back a bit further. Of course, that’s a pretty old & rehashed trick and I personally think that if they can’t come up with a more crafty excuse, the leaders would probably just deny what I had just revealed as being nothing more than just a rumor started by fledging (inexperienced) members or “false” brothers & sisters in the church being in league with Satan.
“Missionary” Elijah coming on here and making sweeping statements about how opposing websites are “shallow and easily debunked” betrays CoG’s insecurity and the leaders’ inability to keep their minions on a leash away from the internet (free thought). Do they genuinely fear that Satan will claim the souls of their precious brothers and sisters…or do they fear that their flawless “truth” cannot hold up to the massive amount of resources available on the web which eventually means the “falling away” of their flock and ultimately less “tithes and offerings” (revenue) for their establishment. You make the call. ;)
From what I’ve gathered as a semi-observant human being, their “gospel” is not spreading as fast as they’d like you to believe. With their projected “end” so close at hand (the “God cutting it short before 2012” prophecy), how come so few people know about Chung Gil Jah? Ask yourself, what percentage of people in your apartment complex or work building know about “Mother” or “Zion?” I can take any several square miles of population at random anywhere on the planet, farther away from a church location, and most likely very few people, if any at all, have heard about them, haha. How can God’s children go home if my husband’s cousin’s friend hasn’t even heard of God the Mother? :) And if they knew that their members were reading what I had just said right there, they would try to write me off as an agent of Satan trying to cast doubt upon the children, or that God is testing their faith. Classic cult loophole techniques. :)
Also, the church is not as spiritual and “not focused on the physical things” as they would like you to believe. In fact, they (especially in the upper echelons) are very bigoted, uncultured, narrow-minded, and hold contempt against anyone that does not dress the way they do and have the same hairstyle/hair length as they do (for both sexes). I have caught slips of the tongues by some of their deacons. I have read between the lines, and what I have caught is that they are trying to belittle the resident cultures of all the shores they arrive at and enforce the superiority of Korean culture. All this becomes evident if you are perceptive and have spent a great period of time with them. In the beginning, when you are fresh, they make every effort to love bomb you and make you feel at home, giving the impression that you will never be judged for the way you look. But sure enough, when enough time has passed, and you have been engraved in their studies, the mask comes off and they make it quite clear to you (many times without having to use any words) that there are things expected of you (aside from money, which reportedly they have become more bold with as of late). They try to put the heat on you to dress a certain way and have your hair a certain way, and if you do not conform, you are not welcome there. There is a very distinct and cookie cutter look, give or take, that they expect from both genders. You’ve got to fit within those parameters if you’re to have any measure of peace in the congregation. That becomes very clear with the gossip that permeates there, with you being the target. :) So thus, the initial claim that you will never be judged for the physical appearance, was all bogus. Now go back full circle to the beginning of this paragraph, regarding the claim that they are not so focused on the physical. Does that sound truthful to you? According to what I and several others have experienced? Once again, for the millionth time, of course they have counter-arguments to what I’ve just said. I’m not quite sure I want to type them all up right now, there are at least a dozen flooding my head, haha. One of these excuses even involves a very creative explanation of the church being like a hospital, where the spiritually sick are being healed with “mother’s” water of life (the word) — and since they are spiritually sick and still recovering, they of course will ooze sin and treat their own spiritual siblings (brothers and sisters) that way (gossip/backstabbing) and therefore we must follow “father & mother’s” example and forgive them. Oh please. :) There is also a very advanced explanation as well for this pressure on grooming, using the “one mind, one body” philosophy, indicating that all brothers and sisters must be one mind with each other, together with “Mother,” before they can go home. It’s a subtle attempt at guilt-tripping you for not wanting “to change your appearance for God,” implying you are yes, selfish. Please keep in mind I have never dressed provocative or anywhere near a prostitute at the church. They are just repulsively bigoted/uncultured in using only ONE format, one dress code more ore less, in trying to reach the communities out there. Yeah, they’re really going to grab the attention of the millions of different backgrounds and personalities out there using only one format, way to go, CoG. *sarcasm* Oh wait, that’s right, they’re only looking for a specific type of person to recruit now, age range + class & all, while the rest can go to hell because time is so short. And don’t give me that crap about depending only on God’s word and not your clothes, because you are the ones putting pressure on a certain way to dress, not anyone else.
You do have to give them credit for tying in everything into one epic magnum opus using prooftexts. I am actually quite impressed by the creator’s imagination, whoever that may be (and they are probably labelling me as very foolish right now for thinking it’s imagination instead of reality). The whole story of being strangers on this earh, having lost our place in heaven, will make perfect sense if you can believe their web of verses and reverse engineering. What blew their cover? It’s their ill behavior. As said in a previous post, going head to head with them in scripture only leads to running around in circles. In such a time where you don’t know who’s telling the truth, one method you can fall back on to determine an entity’s agenda is their character. By their acts you will know them. There certainly is no “love” behind the walls of the WMSCOG.
Anyone considering attending the church ought to think about whether they want to get involved with this type of behavior, which can be accounted for by others, not just myself.
For anyone interested in dissecting this madness using their own brain, I have well over forty official sermons from the CoG in audio file format which I can email over to you, for your listening pleasure. It’s what they use for for preaching training. :) Just leave your email address in these comments and we’ll be in touch.
P.S. Not EVERYONE in the CoG is an unreasonable bigoted jerk. I’ve run into some very nice people. Just the key members, the make-it-or-break-it ones, are the people that give away the true face of the organization. They should blame themselves, not the horned God, for blowing the cover for their boss(es)
By: kathryn on September 27, 2010
at 7:03 am
Hi Kathryn
All those behavior problems are significant. Why is it so hard for some people on the inside to see it?
I’d really like to talk to you more, Kathryn, and get copies of those sermons. I don’t really want to leave my email here, but you can reach me through my blog:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
thanks,
genny
By: genny on September 27, 2010
at 12:43 pm
Why is so hard for people inside to see it???…Lol. Who told you we dont see it? The thing is we always keep it to ourselves. But that is the most obvious thing that we see every minute we spend in the church.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 1, 2010
at 8:38 am
Wow Katheryn. I loved your testimony. You bringed me back to those times. Lol. In what State you are located if i can know. maybe we was in the same Zion and we know echother.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 1, 2010
at 8:49 am
Genny, I am also very interested in those sermons. I am sure my son has them, but he wouldn’t probably let me listen to them, as I am a “non-believer” in ASH.
Kathryn, I am looking for EX members, and I would love to be in contact with you. Genny could probably pass on my e-mail address to you or vice versa through her private messaging on her blog.
By: MountainMom on September 28, 2010
at 5:54 am
For what purpose you are looking ex-members MountainMom?
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 1, 2010
at 8:43 am
Matt. 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
If they claim the world is ending between now and 2012, they had better get their butts moving! I don’t see any possible way they can preach their “truth” and “gospel” to every nation, every church, every stone-age tribe in Latin America, India, the far places of Europe, etc. The “normal” christians have done a better job at that – we’ve covered the earth with true Christian doctrine, even in the furthest spaces. Certainly, we still have work to be done, but it’ll take a long time for the CoG believers to spread even a hint of their doctrine to what we’ve sowed to the foundations of old and new believers..
By: Pierce on October 1, 2010
at 9:47 am
Pierce they say that their gospel is spread like lightning but its more on secretive basis as they fear persecution and nowhere close to how & under what circumstances the earth was indeed covered with true christian in furthest places. Ask them if they managed to get across N. Korea? Why Mother J does not move her butt from Korea?
In country like India you think they can stand on the streets and preach their doctirne especially when they target in secret the poor & illiterate Hindus/muslims in some remote villages out there
I have pics of them being baptized and by a deacon a sinner who is so filled with hatred for others and takes great pride in saying they have brothers who are hackers.
I never knew that the road to heaven was so easy despite our bad attitudes, hatredness and deception.
It is hilarious when they speak “LETS NOT WASTE TIME HERE. RATHER LET US QUICKLY FIND OUR LOST BROTHERS AND SISTERS SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR HEAVENLY HOME TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AS CHILDREN OF GOD,OUR HEAVENLY FATHER CHRIST AHNSAHNGHONG AND HEAVENLY MOTHER JERUSALEM ” Sounds more like a fantasy world.
False promise to these poor souls so unable to think for themselves that SATAN disgused as GODS in WMSCOG has them in their power where they shall be taken to their home”LAKE OF FIRE FOREVER AND EVER”
By: jose on October 2, 2010
at 3:53 pm
LOL. Jose you was also a COG Member right?
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 3, 2010
at 12:21 am
No No X.cog my cousin is a deacon and the above characteristic description given pertains to him, Tried hard to get me & fly and continues to do so on preaching this bulshit doctrine but my faith in Jesus is strong.
We still maintain a good relationship and that way it helps to collect a lot of resources.
By: jose on October 3, 2010
at 4:41 am
LOl. Well done.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 3, 2010
at 9:34 pm
Don’t know where you guys get this crazy talk about the Seventh Day Adventist church from?? It’s pretty disappointing. We’re a great church full of friendly, warm people who love Jesus. Sure we have a couple of hangups about Ellen White but big whoop – no church is perfect, and when you have an organisation of over 40 million people it’s sometimes complicated to change in a hurry. We’ll get there though :) Jesus is our focus, and the bible is our only guide.
By: Jayden on October 11, 2010
at 3:21 pm
Hi Everybody. I had no background about religion what so ever until last May when I was approached by two people out preaching from the WMS Church of God at my school. I was very skeptical at first when they started talking about second coming Christ even though the bible warns about people claiming to be the 2nd Christ (I didn’t know that at the time, but web sites like this one “learned” me very quickly). I listened to what the two guys had to say; and even though I was skeptical, I found it very interesting. They invited me to a bible study and I told them I would think about it. My curiosity got the best of me and I called one of the guys back about a week later and scheduled an appointment. I met him on Sunday, May 16th 2010 for my first bible study and was shocked by a study about why we are here on earth. When you see it through the bible it is truly amazing that people couldn’t figure this out in the almost 2000 years since the new testament was written. I mean… it so obvious when you see it. I was still doubtful though and was wondering if maybe they were using a different bible or something. So for my next study I borrowed a bible from my girlfriend and studied with that. Sure enough… They used the same bible that any “normal” church does. I decided to bring my girlfriend to a study because she had a huge background in religion. She had been to every denomination church that you can think of and had become the only person I knew who actively went to church willingly because she truly enjoyed learning about god. She came and totally flipped out. She persecuted me and the church and we even ended our relationship for a while. I was so confused and torn at the time because everything I had learned made sense, but she swore up and down that if I came to her church I would see why Jesus was the only true god and there was no female image of god anywhere in the bible. So I went with her. I had a 30 min one-on-one meeting with the lead counselor from the church. He assured me that there was no mention of the female image of god in the bible and that I was just being tricked by fancy ways of switching around versus. The problem came when I started asking him question about John Ch. 6:53. Instead of explaining why we don’t need the Passover (even though in Mathew Ch5: 17 Jesus clearly states that not a letter from the law will be removed until heaven and earth are gone), he explained what the Passover was (I didn’t care what it was… I just wanted to know if it was important or not). The really bad part happened when I brought up Melchizedek. He quickly said that his wife was waiting for him and he had to go, but that i should pray about it and the answer would be given to me. I soon realized that this guy was leading a church, but had no clue what he was teaching. About a month after that my girlfriend came back to the church and did a study. She soon realized their there is not another church on earth that can teach the bible this way. If you think you know the bible; you don’t unless you know second coming Christ. Don’t take my word for it…. Read Revelation Ch 5! It says it right there. I feel so bad for the people who are so quick to judge. I thank my Father and Mother every day that I did not have a strong religious up bringing because I would have never been open minded enough to see this amazing truth. To all the Muslims, Jews and Christians out there reading this, Please, just read about Abraham, Hagar, and Sarah, and try to realize who Isaac is (Gal 4:28)! The truth is so simple and so amazing! It should be plain to you. These “stories” in the bible are not just stories. They are gods way of showing us there is only one true church and it will be established in the last days. If you open you mind and do the studies, you too can realize that there is more to the bible then we ever imagined. Please, next time someone from the Church of God approaches you, just listen and ask questions. It won’t hurt you, and you just might see something you never have before. God Bless You All!
By: Walter on October 12, 2010
at 11:57 pm
Just wait a couple of months until you know all the basic studies that are like 35 or 36 in total and the big prophecies like 6 days creation, the seven seals etc, etc. After that you would be wondering what else is out there?..Nothing more. You would continue following Sabbath and third day evening service for life and will realize the whole point of the church is go out and recruit people (with the excuse you are saving them through preaching) and giving them money trough tithes, offerings and free will offerings. But sure they will not ask you for money off front. You would be giving a study about this at the end. First they will build up your faith and at the end you will be giving the study of tithes and offerings. And trust me i can tell you much more but it would be up to you if you want to listen.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 13, 2010
at 9:55 pm
Well, you could be right. Who truly knows except god almighty? I have already studied 6 day creation, Seven Churches, and given that we are in the middle of the feasts right now we are going to study the Feasts of God on the Day of Atonement. The problem is that while some of the teachings are hard to swallow, that doesn’t necessarily make them fabrications. If this church is wrong can anyone who has seen these studies ever have faith in the bible again. Being someone who has done the studies, could I ever believe that Sunday worship is ok? That the cross is not idolatry, or that Christmas and Easter did not come from Pagan traditions? The truth about all of these can be seen through history itself… not just the church. The problem for me is that if the church is lying, then who can ever be correct? I was talking with my girlfriend just this morning and we both understand that this teaching is very hard and it does require sacrifice and commitment. We both lack in faith sometimes but it is not because we can find flaw in the teachings. It is because we are unable to break our concept of god as only having a male image. We also both realize that if we are wrong then we are going to look like such fools to all of our friends and family come 2013 but, what if it is true? Does any church out there have a study that is even close to proving any of this wrong? Sure, anyone can quote the verse “many will come in my name and claim to be the Christ” but he has to come someday doesn’t he? I mean, what man can be born “at the ends of the earth” (Japan is an island) on the 37th paralleled, be baptized at 30, live for exactly 37 years after baptism to fulfill the Root of David, and create a study like the sanctuary? If the heavenly mother is not true, then why is the story about Abraham even in the bible? Why Melchizedek? Why the parable about the wedding banquet? What does “enter through the narrow gate” mean? Based on that statement right there by, could any Catholic or Protestant possibly believe that he even has a shot at going to heaven without questioning Jesus Christ himself? What man has that much free time and could be that crafty to put all this together. Maybe I just can’t see past my own ignorance but it just seems too perfect. I mean… can Daniels Prophecy be wrong? It’s pretty much just putting the bible and a history book together. What else could it possible mean? 666, really… on the man’s forehead!?! “let him who is wise calculate the number”. I don’t claim to be wise but can Catholic say with a straight face, “Man, that is one crazy coincidence!” I mean truly, for the sake of the world at large, I hope that this truth is wrong, but personally, I’m not willing to risk it. Too many “coincidences” for me to just write it off as some crazy guy in Korea with a super creative imagination and a whole lot of luck. What would have been the purpose for all of it? To build a big church for his young wife and never get to see any of the benefits himself. Nobody can say he lived a good life whether you believe he was god or not. If people believed I was god, you better believe I would want to reap the benefits of it. Not just die in order to make my wife (who I was married to for like a day) rich.
By: Walter on October 13, 2010
at 11:12 pm
Well x-cog member, have you never given tithe in your life before u were the member of cog???
well let me tell u, All the other churches in the world are more TITHE demanding churches. Im telling you this from my own experience.
And why do you think that keeping Sabbath is useless, This is God’s command. Let me tell u that keeping Sabbath is more important than Sunday Service.
Are you willing to give TITHE to the Lord or not??Even Sunday Servive keepers are more into giving TITHES.
By: child123 on October 14, 2010
at 5:52 pm
Walter,
Yes, Jesus has to come sometime, but it says in the Bible very clearly that when he does come, all eyes will see him, even the one who pierced his side while he was on the cross. This one you think is the Second Coming was not seen by ANYONE except his own congregation. I have read his book and even he says nothing about the “Mother”, and he himself did not say he was the second coming. He predicted the second coming in both 1967 and in 1985. How does someone predict the second coming if he is already on earth? Ahnsahnghong was a religious scholar, but he was not the Second Coming. You are following the teachings of men who tell you this. This is not in the Bible. This is only in their incorrect interpretation, which is very hard to swallow. I am sorry, and I pray that you will see through this indoctrination the church members are handing you. Look at what they do not underline for you in your Bible. Those parts of the Bible will tell you how to be a better person and lead your life as God intended. They only teach what furthers their agenda and do not dwell on anything else.
By the way, Sun Myung Moon was a crazy guy in Korea with a super creative imagination who also said he was Jesus. A lot of people believed him and were taken in and ripped off in the same way as for the COG. The Cog has elements of the Moonies religion, Seventh Day Adventist religion, and then their own spin thrown in on top of it. South Korea is a breeding ground for cults, and we have our own offshoots here in the States, too. You probably have no idea how many people have claimed to be Jesus’ Second Coming, and how they have manipulated people this way. Believe me, Jesus Himself warned against believing people who do this. When He comes ALL EYES WILL SEE HIM. Have you seen Him?
By: MountainMom on October 14, 2010
at 5:53 am
child123, you shouldn’t judge mountainmom. are you a mother? you can’t even begin to understand the love of a mother if you aren’t one. what you just said is very one-sided and harsh. For all you know, because she loves her son -so- much might mean she loves God even more than you do. I can’t speak for her on that, but I can say that you shouldn’t judge someone if you don’t even know them personally. The Bible does say to love God above everything else, but it says nothing about loving your father, mother, child or siblings too much! Loving God is key, but loving others is equally important; so don’t even go there.
By: Pierce on October 14, 2010
at 11:13 pm
It’s amazing at how much the COG shows every sign of being a cult and they don’t even realize it. Not only do they twist and screw around with every orthodox doctrine and change the Gospel around to meet their own ideas, they have all the behavior of a cult as well.
I don’t know if anyone here watches japanese anime or not, but there is a particular one called “Ghost Hound”. In final episode, the hero saves a girl from being deified from demon possession in a cult. This girl has a demon in her, and the people in the village end up forming a religion around her. She is placed in a sort of temple. All people in the village end up worshiping this religion. Men are only allowed in the outer parts of the temple, only women are allowed on the inner parts, and even then only approved women. The hero dressed up like a girl and finds a way in to sneak the girl out.
Point is, I see this with COG too. Zhang Gil-Jah is in a special place, deified in Korea. Only certain people are allowed to see her, those who have been “approved” as faithful followers and not someone out to kill her. Does this sound like the behavior of the Triune God to you? For starters, since when did Jesus ever deny anyone coming up to Him? He said “let the least of these come to me!” He even spoke with Nicodemus at night, a Pharisee who could have meant to harm Him. Not to mention, if God is all powerful, He is much more than able to protect Himself. Even incarnate as Jesus, He could have called 10,000 Angels to protect Him during His every whim. He did not do this; He suffered for the Father’s will and was resurrected so we may be forgiven of our sins.
By: Pierce on October 14, 2010
at 11:29 pm
Wow! So I did some research. I found that Ahnsahnghong did not give us the teaching about the book of Daniel. Apparently, that teaching is from a book by Andreas Helwig titled “Roman Antichrist” from 1612!!! Not 1948! Ok, I’m still unsure, but this is starting to look worse and worse to me. After talking with a co-worker today it was also pointed out that in the oldest manuscript of the book of Revelation that we know of, the number is not 666, but 616. I did a little research and sure enough it looks true. I’m still not convinced the Catholic Church is not Satan though. After all, how can one church get so many things so wrong? Idolatry, the father title, erasing the second commandment, celibacy, Christmas, and the list goes on, but what has COG revealed that has not been revealed before? Also, Cultwatch says that he has multiple wives. I do not know if this is true. If it is, I’m defiantly convinced that this is bogus. I wish there was more information. I am starting to question weather there is really a god all together. I feel like all I can do is truly hope and pray that god is as merciful as some Christians believe and wait until the end. I guess I just have to have faith that gods plan is perfect and we will all get what we deserve in the end.
By: Walter on October 15, 2010
at 4:05 am
Wow, You are starting to have the same feelings that I used to have and i am continue to do so when i get off from the church. That I am questioning if there is a God/s or not. This happens because I put all my trust, sacrifice and confidence in this church and their teachings and i got weary out of it with the time and realized that I was just being used for their purpose. With the time I was questioning if thats truly the administration that God created for us to be saved. Umm. It was hard to beleive with all that gossip that members have in there. All the hipocresy and arrogance that sorrounds the church. It was more like a dictatorship to me to see how pastors, missionaries and deacons wanted to control you in every way. Talking to you harsh like they own you. Its totally a joke. With the time I have seen that in the Church are three important things that if you do them you will be in good standards with them and there is Keeping the Feasts, Preaching and Thithing (This includes all types of Offerings in the Church). This is like the sign of recyclyn with the the three arrows going around. In my point of view while I was in the Church I saw that Keeping the Feasts was a procedure or program to keep you “brainwashed”. That is the reason they demand you to continue keeping it and spent most of the time with them. Preaching is easy. In preaching you look for more members. More members generate more income for the church at the time they finish their studies. Also these new memebers can preach to families and friends generating more members with the time. This make it look just like the pyramid scheme. You know how it works right?. Tithing? What I can tell you dont already know? You know how much money even a small local church receive from their members weekly? Yeah, sure they always says its used to expand etc,etc. While i was in the church I was keeping track of everything and I can say they take a long time to open a church in another place with the excuse they have to increase in numbers pushing you to preach more and more while they have the money already to buy a regular size church and when they do make the first step they start with a small office. They know what they do and they never lose with you and me. Why? because we provide all the services. We provide our work, our sacrifice, our income and our time. In return we just get a hope for salvation that supposely would come in the near future. You too young in time probably to understand everything that i am saying but go spend more time in there, see how everything works. You will see by yourself how the administration works in the COG. In the other hand there are too many flaws in the doctrine like some of those that mountain mom mentioned. No by mentioning we basically dont know nothing about Ahnsanhgong. The video that they show us provide too little information about him. Why is that? Why are the teachings in his books differ from the ones the church provides nowdays?
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 15, 2010
at 8:19 am
To Walter:
The whole point of Daniels prophecy is not to know who the Devil is, that is something that even you are admitting is obvious. The point of Daniels prophecy is to know where Zion is.
How would it have helped the Israelites to come out of Egypt, but now know where the promised land is.
In the same way Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us where we can find Zion(Is 33:20).
So anyone can teach Daniels prophecy, its just history. But as far as Zion concerns, only God can restore it.
As far as the many wives concern, it has been a rumor on the web forever with no evidence. Just like i can find stuff online that says you are a criminal. I dont know whether is true or not, but the point is that anyone can put it up there.
By: anonymous on October 17, 2010
at 7:39 pm
Child 123, I didn’t see your response to me untill today. In answer, yes I read the Bible, and I believe in it. I just don’t believe in the Church of God and the interpretation it’s members give. I am not sure if you read all parts of the Bible or only the ones the COG members underline for you. Why shouldn’t I love my son like any normal person does with their children? The Bible says to love your neighbor, but I can’t love my son? That makes no sense, does it. Besides, the way to understand God’s love for us is to experience love here on earth. I know God’s love by the very way I love my son and my two other children.
My son is in a psychological prison as a member of this church. He is tired, mentally down, struggling at his job, struggling in his marriage, struggling with relationships, etc. He has never mentioned suicide before he was in this church, now he has talked of it 3 times. I am afraid for him, and for our whole family. We love him dearly, and I hate to see him suffer. He is taking antidpressants, and your loving church pastor wants him to do a water and food fast for 3-5 days! Tell me, how will my son’s health survive this? He will do major physical damage if he does this. I am a health professional, and I know what I am saying. This is insane. Where is the love from your church who is pushing him like this?
By: MountainMom on October 16, 2010
at 6:30 am
To Walter:
The whole point of Daniels prophecy is not to know who the Devil is, that is something that even you are admitting is obvious. The point of Daniels prophecy is to know where Zion is.
How would it have helped the Israelites to come out of Egypt, but now know where the promised land is.
In the same way Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us where we can find Zion(Is 33:20).
So anyone can teach Daniels prophecy, its just history. But as far as Zion concerns, only God can restore it.
As far as the many wives concern, it has been a rumor on the web forever with no evidence. Just like i can find stuff online that says you are a criminal. I dont know whether is true or not, but the point is that anyone can put it up there.
By: anonymous on October 17, 2010
at 7:38 pm
http://www.proveahnsahnghong.com
By: anonymous on October 28, 2010
at 11:52 pm
http://www.proveahnsahnghong.com
Anonymous Whoever put this stuff on that site to try to prove Mr Hong has not fully done so Anyone can put up crap there. Don’t the COG call internet the SATAN?? LOL
Can any Cog member show how mother jerusalem predicts disasters. All the videos are copied clips from movies/documentaries and photos from internet disaster downloaded just to create fear into members.
Hong’s ideas too came from SDA. So how can heng restore Zion? He’s just shown you his hometown where over 200 cults thrive
By: robby on October 29, 2010
at 4:51 am
Anonymous,
Please answer, where is the love in your church when the main pastor is encouraging my son to damage his physical and mental health? Why does this church not care about people’s hearts and minds, but emphasize money so much? They spend a lot of time defending what they do and ignore steering people to the parts of the Bible that tell us how to live and love. Why can I find so many proverbs telling us to honor our father and mother, and exactly how to do that, but the COG tells our son to ignore his parent’s counsel?
Could you explain what my son gets out of his association with this “church”? They get his money, his time, his recruiting efforts, and have taken away his freedom. He gets exhaustion, failure at his job, failure in his relationships, financial disaster, and a broken family. He may get a promise of salvation, but I know it is false. You can’t get saved by serving a false God and a false Jesus Christ. Ahnsahnghong and the Mother are not deities. If you read your Bible you would see that they are not in it. YOU REALLY NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE WITHOUT PEOPLE STANDING OVER YOU TELLING YOU WHAT TO THINK. Then perhaps the real God would speak to you. COG people get told what to think by men who want their money, not God.
My son asks why I don’t believe in Ahnsahnghong and the Mother. It is because Jesus himself warns us not to, not once, but several times. READ THE BIBLE.
By: MountainMom on October 29, 2010
at 5:50 am
The church believes that honor your father and mother means our spiritual father and mother, not as much the physical. In fact, Jesus tells a follower in the desert who wanted to bury his father to “let the dead bury their own dead” in the book of Mathew. I do not believe that the church puts any more emphasis on the tithes and offerings then the bible it self does. I feel like that is a false criticism. I’m also not so sure about the physical health damage, but the mental health damage I could see as a problem. I have not attended service in about three weeks and I had not previously missed a service in five months. It has been really hard. The problem is modern day Christians no matter what major denomination they follow do not follow the way the bible says they should. That makes it really easy for another church to come along and point out the obvious. The problem I am having, is figuring out if the COG is right, or was Ahnsahnghong just very clever? I like how this blog has not been very focused on the theology because you can argue the wording of the bible in many ways. There are some things that cannot be argued though. The Sabbath is Saturday, and December 25th was Mythra’s (the sun god) birthday. The pope calls himself “most holly father”. Easter comes from the pagan goddess Eostre. The bible says that Zion is the city of our festivals. The bible also says that only the Root of David can unseal the bible in Revelation and we know that Jesus is the Root of David (and Rev was written after Jesus’ death). The only argument I can possible make against this church is Acts 4:12 and the COG uses this verse in the teaching of the Trinity and the Savior of each age, and Rev 2:17 but you would only know what I am talking about if you had studied 7 churches. The mental health thing is a huge concern. What are all of these people going to do if 2013 comes and goes? For me it was hard enough to leave the church after 5 mos. What about 5 years. I see a big market for therapists in the future if all this turns out to be false. To be 100% honest I am in fear everyday. I think about COG everyday. Please don’t take offense to this, but the problem for me is, if I choose to believe in the bible, there is really no other church I can go to. SDA would really be the only thing and the COG does a might fine job explaining the existence of that church. I know most people here would disagree with that last statement but if you had seen why there is no justification of Sunday worship anywhere in the bible and how some things just line up so perfectly you would probably be just as confused I am.
By: Walter on November 1, 2010
at 11:38 pm
Walter to tell you the truth. Only time can help you out to release yourself from the bounds of all the teachings that the church put on you. You dont think that didnt happened to me too. I was there way more than you and when I get out I was confused and afraid every single day. But i keep in mind things will get better and I will get over it. It wasnt easy but yeah it was possible. Now I am back on my feet and more happy and focus than ever.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on November 7, 2010
at 7:53 am
They get his money, his time, his recruiting efforts, and have taken away his freedom. He gets exhaustion, failure at his job, failure in his relationships, financial disaster, and a broken family.
-I agree 100%.
By: X-COG MEMBERS WANTED on October 31, 2010
at 12:02 am
You should read my story below.
By: xxxxx on February 2, 2011
at 1:31 pm
okay so ive posted on here a while back talking about how my boyfriend is in the COG and to give me questions to ask him..
but now we’ve broken up becuz i refuse to believe what he believes.. i still want us to work out and he does too but the only way that will happen is if i turn to the “truth”.
so now hes basically throwing all these things at me to “see” the truth so we can really be together and i have no idea what to say to him becuz my mind is basically so drained from all of this stress.
so i guess NOW really is the perfect time to question their church’s beliefs.. hell have no choice but to answer since he is so concerned about my salvation…
By: aea1016 on November 1, 2010
at 11:04 am
Yep i agree with walter…mainstream christians and catholics here on this blog are quick in trying to point out the wrong of the COG. If only they spend the same amount of effort in looking up their own church’s doctrine….*sigh*
By: Lol on November 3, 2010
at 7:37 am
Mountain mom, u mention people can’t be saved following false gods…how about the catholics and christians who follow the sun god, all your doctrine and festivals are base on sun god worshiping. U’re quick to point out the wrong of others?! Maybe u’re the one that should read the bible…Lol
Theres a problem with your doctrine….if indeed jesus died for all our sins, then we’re all going to heaven, lol. it doesn’t matter if someone follow a false god or not. All the murderers and rapist are all going to heaven base on your doctrine, because god had died for all the sins of the world. Am i right? correct me if i’m wrong…
By: Lol on November 3, 2010
at 7:47 am
Dear Lol,
Christians do NOT follow the sun god. You are being given faulty information. Have you spoken to a Christian pastor yourself about this, or are you only accepting the information given to you by your church?
Jesus did die to pay the price for your sins and mine, and for the sins of each and every person. It doesn’t matter what those sins are, they are covered. BUT you must accept His payment on your behalf.
It’s kind of like this… “Bob” wants a ticket to the opera. “Sam” has bought an unlimited supply of tickets to the opera and wants to give them as gifts to anyone who wants one. “Bob” can pay for his own ticket, or he can take a free one that has been paid for by “Sam.” A free ticket is available for him, but he has to accept it. Otherwise he can go to the ticket window and buy his own.
Rom. 3:23 — Everyone has sinned.
Rom. 6:23 — The penalty of sin is death.
You can pay for your sin yourself–death, eternal separation from God. Or you can accept God’s gift to cover your sin with Jesus’ payment on the cross and have life–physical death yes, but eternal life with God in heaven.
Let me ask you… How do Ahnsahnghong and “Mother” help you pay your penalty for your sin?
respectfully,
genny
ps–I expect the other Christians writing here HAVE spent time looking up their own church’s doctrine. (I have.) You would have to in order to be able to compare it with the WMSCOG.
By: genny on November 3, 2010
at 12:12 pm
Ahsahnghong and mother allows me to celebrate the passover the way it should. This passover gives me the forgiveness of sins TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE. Lol
Is christmas and all your festivals base on sun god worshipping or not? You follow it without noticing it. You’re blind thats why you can’t see, Loll
How can you be so sure you’re not following false teaching??
I doubt you know ALL of the COG doctrine.
When i was studying some thing did not makes sense, however later as u do more studying it all comes together. Maybe u just got frustrated and impatient, and decided to stop listening.
Why is that Mountain moms son still in the COG? It is because he can’t find any fault with it, and that all things make sense to him. simple lol.
I do know mainstream Christians doctrine, it’s just so amatuer, it’s like u read the verse and u take it as it is, not taking into what the other verses got to say…
For example; you all believe adam was the first human being right? Adam and eve had children and they married each other right? This is your belief, well if you read your bible…adam and eve had two sons, one died and the another one got married, the person that he married was not adam and eves daughter. so where did she come from? this shows that she had her own mother and father. but why adam is regarded as the first living being? the answer is that he was the first to recognize god. As all poeple who believe in god are regarded as living being in the bible.
Believing the fact that adam and eve had children and they married each other is wrong, as god mention that marrying family members are not on. At this point, once a mainstream christian asked “then why eve is to become the mother of all the living(gen 3:20), does this not mean eve gave birth to all the living being?”
As i mention before Living being are people who believe in god. Here if you study the six day creation mention by walter. U would see that Eve the mother of all the living, refers to jerusalem mother being the mother of all those who believe in her in the last day and she is god. If U studied the six day creation then u would know what i’m talking about. You would also need to study about the LAST ADAM also…what i just wrote would not make sense to anyone who haven’t study all the topics I mention above.
When studying the cog doctrine u should have patience, some things would not make sense until other topics are preached. After it all has been preached to you, you would realize that there is no contradiction in the bible and that it makes perfect sense, Lol. thats why mountain moms son can’t see any fault with the doctrine because he had studied everything. He probably know more about the bible then anyone on this site…some chirstians would read this and say “who is the last adam now?” Lol.
By: Lol on November 3, 2010
at 4:30 pm
Hey Lol, just curious: are you Jewish?? Because if you’re not, there is absolutely no need to even have to think of celebrating the passover as it should. Certainly, all Christians are called to partake in Holy Communion, given they are in the right heart and attitude. However, the Jewish way of taking it has been abolished on the cross! Don’t you read into the Pauline doctrine?
1 Corinthians 9:20-22
“20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.”
What this verse means, is that if following the Jewish festivities and observing the Sabbath as those under the “law” would bring them to knowing the Lord Jesus Christ, then Paul said that is what we should do. To those not under the law, the gentiles, Paul tells us not to worry about following Jewish law and regulations. Paul tells us to be, in a way, like water. We are to fit every situation. This doesn’t mean become a sinner to reach the sinner, mind you. This simply means that we are to reach people at all levels of life without judging or condemning, without being self-righteous and acting all puffed up like we’re something special because we “follow the law of God correctly”.
Don’t you know? It’s impossible to be a perfect Christian. That’s why Christ said on the cross “It is FINISHED”. If His mission was finished at Calvary 2000+ years ago, why are we still preaching about His second coming of salvation? Don’t you know that when Christ comes for the second time He will not come to save but to judge and reign over all the earth? Today is the age of salvation, tomorrow is the age of judgment, and next week is all of eternity.
By: Pierce on November 3, 2010
at 7:16 pm
Wow! Pierce. Its people like you that make me think that the COG is correct. Where in the bible does it say “you must take Holy Communion”? The word Communion is no where to be found in the bible! Honestly, is this a bible teaching, or is this a teaching of man? It’s the exact same for Christmas and Easter! I don’t want to be rude to any person following this blog, but you truly have no idea what you are talking about. Also, you are right about one thing. We are not supposed to follow Jewish Law. Is the Passover only a Jewish law? Did Jesus not change the Passover from two lambs and 12 loaves of bread offered on a golden table to bread and wine, his flesh and his blood? (In the order of Melchizedek) Isn’t it his flesh and his blood we need for eternal life, and didn’t Jesus himself “eagerly desired to eat this “Passover” with his disciples”? In Mathew 5:18 it clearly states that “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” I mean…. come on man. Where do you get this Holy Communion stuff from? Where does it say “take Holly Communion every Sunday” or every month in the bible? Does the verse “he will try to change the set times and laws ring a bell”? I’m not trying to be rude, but I promise you, you cannot win an argument against this church because the stuff you church practices is not written in the bible… anywhere. Infact, it’s just the opposite! Maybe I need to go back to Zion :(
By: Walter on November 3, 2010
at 9:30 pm
Also, you might want to read Hebrews 9:28…
By: Walter on November 3, 2010
at 9:36 pm
Walter,
The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, but it is a word we use to describe the nature of God.
“Communion” also is a word we use to describe the special fellowship we share with God.
Are you surprised to know that the word “communion” IS in the Bible? Try 1 Corinthians 10:16 — look it up in KJV.
The NIV translates that word “participation” and in the NASB it’s “sharing.” The Greek word is “koinonia” which means means “fellowship, association, community, communion, joint participation.”
and to Lol…
I have studied enough WMSCOG doctrine to know that it is false. They preach 2 “Gods” when the God of the Bible clearly states (many times!) that He is the only God. They teach that Ahnsahnghong was “God” in the flesh, but cannot back it up with anything but vague or misinterpreted “prophecies.” And that is just the start of their false doctrine.
I am continually learning about more of the WMSCOG doctrine, but it does not clear things up.
What you mentioned about Adam and Eve, for example… Adam and Eve were not the first people?!? And you didn’t really mean that they only had 2 sons and no other children, right? Read Gen. 5:3-4. Is there any reason to believe that the people of this very first generation were not allowed to marry their own siblings?
The more I learn about WMSCOG doctrine, the more it shows the length the WMSCOG will go to try to reconcile their false teachings and inconsistencies.
We are each pretty firm on what we believe the Bible says, and I don’t expect to convince you away from your beliefs with my own words, just like you will not convince me.
BUT when “Mother God” dies and leaves you all here (or when 2012 comes and goes without the end of the world) then you will know that you have been deceived. I pray that then you will be able to see the truth and be set free to really get to know the one true God.
PS–Walter, in Hebrews 9:28, you might want to know that another meaning of the word for “salvation” in the Greek lexicon is “deliverance from the molestation of enemies” and the verse tell you that it is a salvation that doesn’t have to do with sin. Read it in the NASB.
(You can look up the original language for yourself at studylight.org)
By: genny on November 4, 2010
at 8:25 am
Lol at genny…of course adam and eve had other children other than the first two, cain and abel. IF U read the bible…adam and eve’s THIRD child is also a boy, but before the third child was born one of the first two got married to a women…adam and eve had no daughter at this point…lollll. Go read the bible…like I said u don’t know ALL the cog doctrine, thats why nothing makes sense to you.
It’s like this…You can never see the whole picture of the puzzle until all the pieces are put together.
And stop trying to convince people that holy communion and christmas are mention in the bible.Loll
By: Lol on November 5, 2010
at 5:42 am
Genny why are you so funny…lol 1 Corinthians 10:16 talks about the difference between Idols feast and the Lord’s Supper(aka passover). Passover has a proper date…..any other day(aka holy communion) refers to pagan offering to demons.
U just dug yourself a hole, lollll
By: Lol on November 5, 2010
at 6:08 am
I was told i could have anything in heaven, all i have to do is ask…i’m gonna ask for funny genny, lolll.
By: Lol on November 5, 2010
at 6:38 am
Hey Lol, anyone ever told you how much of a nerd you are by acting so self-righteous? LOL. Quit the crap and show God’s love if you’re following the true Christ. Don’t you know that it’s Christ’s love that wins people over to the truth of God over “which frickin’ day the sabbath is” ?? Get over yourself. You’re such a hypocrite. You’re no better off than many catholics, presbyterians, baptists, pentecostals, or whatever christian you choose to criticize. You are a pig, a pharisee, a sheep in wolves clothing. You have twisted ideas about simple Biblical doctrine. You deny the Pauline doctrine which was inspired by the Holy Spirit you claim to follow. You make Jesus out to be reincarnated from His Jewish manifestation into a Korean body. You take all the truth of the Bible and make it a lie. You are a blasphemer, you and your cult. I feel sorry for the people who are so blind they can’t even see their own COG has them acting as puppets in a “kingdom of god” which is full of vomit.
By: Pierce on November 5, 2010
at 7:25 am
Pierce, why can’t god be korean? u seem like a racist.
Why god always have to be jewish?
Why are you calling me names, it’s hurtful you know. I saying genny is funny, heaps of people wants to be funny.
Aren’t You also the things you say about me, read all your comments on this blog.
Surely u’re not showing gods love, even genny also has to agree with me on this one…
By: Lol on November 5, 2010
at 7:41 am
I am showing God’s love to you by rebuking your cultish beliefs so you may see your error. Jesus Christ called Pharisees fools and pigs, don’t you think it was only proper for Him to do so?
I am not racist; I study a Korean martial art. I embrace Asian culture, actually, and enjoy the company of Asian friends. Asian food is actually some of my favorite food. But, I’m not going to say the second coming of Christ is a Korean man, because I know it is not so.
Do I have to say this over and over again? Jesus Christ ascended this earth in a Jewish body. He had scars left on His Glorified body for Thomas the Doubter to touch. Don’t you think it’s kind of obvious that when Christ returns He will either have the same body He had when He came, or He will be completely spirit??
Nowhere in the Bible do we find Christ with a new body. We see that the believers who overcome will have brand new bodies, but what of Christ? It says nothing of the sort. Go figure :)
Look, I’m sorry if you’re offended by what I said. It was typed with much emotion because it deeply saddens my heart that people who believe this kind of stuff are so brainwashed into focusing on doing works over seeing the truth.
That said, I highly suggest you really test the spirits. There are tons of people claiming to have fulfilled all of the same prophecies Ahn Sang Hong has “fulfilled”. There are many wolves acting in sheeps clothing, many false Christs. Which is another point I must make: The pope may be a self-righteous religious figure, but where does he claim to make his way to God’s throne calling himself “God” and blaspheming the Holy Spirit? I have heard no such thing.
By: Pierce on November 5, 2010
at 9:27 am
Pierce, if you could point me in the direction to anyone else who can claim they fulfilled everything that the WMSCOG says Ahnsahnhong did I would greatly appreciate it. If you know something (specific) that I don’t, please do share.
We know we need Jesus’ body and blood to go to heaven. This is not in dispute, Correct? We know that Jesus gave us his body and blood during the Passover. Nor is this disputed. Correct?
Please explain why we don’t need the Passover if,
1. Wages of Sin = Death Rm 6:23
2. Jesus’ blood = forgiveness of sin. Mt 26:28
3. Unless you eat his body and blood you have no life in you. Jn 6:53
4. Do this in remembrance of me Lk 22:19
(#’s 2,3,and 4 were all said during the Passover)
So… If you have to have Jesus’ flesh and blood, how do you get it? And, (since I know you will say Holy Communion) where in the bible does it say that you can have Jesus’ flesh and blood on any day other than the 14th day of the first month of the year. Isn’t that why Jesus “EAGERLY desired to eat this Passover” with his disciples before he had to suffer? Why would he be eagerly waiting if he could have done it on any day; or even any Sabbath for that matter?
I’m not trying to rebut you, but you are calling me brainwashed and I just want to know, how can this possibly be explained any other way? I just want to know the truth.
By: Walter on November 5, 2010
at 10:26 pm
Hi LOL, I am sorry you are misinformed. Christians don’t worship the Sun God. I am a christian and have never ever worshipped the Sun God and neither have any of the other Christians on this blog. That is just a way to put us down or distract from the real issue, which is the harm your church does to people.
This issue of everyone but the “holier than thou” COG people worshipping on the “wrong” day is ridiculous anyway. You do know that the COG people in the States are worshipping on another day than the COG people on the opposite side of the world don’t you? You are familiar with time zones, right? So which ones are worshipping on the right day? Can you answer that?
And you still haven’t addressed the damage that has been done to my son both physically and mentally. Is that OK or what? The only reason my son is still in your cult is because of coercive mind control. It does exist in cults, and can be a powerful tool for deception and manipulation. If you look up howcultswork.com you could see how this happens. Why don’t you educate yourself? Oh, and READ THE BIBLE!
By: MountainMom on November 6, 2010
at 6:16 am
Lol, mountain mom, you go read the bible…
Like i said you’re blind, you can’t see that what you practice is tradition of men. You guys try to put this on us by saying we follow tradition of men. You’re uneducated in the cog doctrine like all the anti-cog people here.
You don’t even know the fundamental topics of the bible, and yet you think you know our doctrine. First get the fundamental right and maybe it’ll come to you. At the church when we preach, we don’t preach the whole thing to them all at once.
It’s like this, you’re trying to shallow something before chewing it, by doing this you’ll choke and die.
You make me laugh with your time zone comments, lollll. I haven’t heard of anything so stupid. I’m not even going to answer that for you.
By: Lol on November 6, 2010
at 8:08 am
@ Lol: of course you won’t answer the time zone question, because you do not know the answer. I actually hadn’t thought of that. It’s not a stupid question, quite valid really. I was told by the person who tried to convert me to COG that God would not hear my worship if I celebrated the Sabbath on Sunday. He used the idea that if he told me to meet him at a residence to give me $20 on Sunday, but I came Saturday, would I receive the money? No, because he would not be there Saturday but on Sunday.
Why is this a bad analogy? First, God is omnipresent: God will hear my worship whenever I praise His Holy Name. Secondly, it makes the Sabbath out to be a permanent date. Does this mean that whatever date the Sabbath occurs during a time zone is the date that’s okay for that time zone, or is there only 1 time zone with God??
@ Walter: Thank you for being honest and genuine in seeking truth. I too am a truth seeker, believing in only 1 truth alone in all situations. There are reasons for everything that make things gray, but in all things there is only one truth: it is or it isn’t so.
To express my interpretation on the Passover..
It is true – unless we eat of the flesh of Christ and drink His blood, we are dead. This is speaking figuratively, however. It is a spiritual truth, not one that we must physically do on a certain date or lose our salvation. Here’s why I think this: The passover that the Hebrews celebrated was a physical lamb that had the blood painted over the doors to keep them safe in Egypt, I’m sure you know. Then they ate the lamb. They were safe. Although the blood certainly kept the Hebrews safe, it did not cleanse their sins in one sitting – it had to be done continually. This was because although it as a spotless lamb, a lamb is not perfect in it’s ways. Christ on the other hand, took our sins upon Himself, He died and poured His blood out for our salvation of sins. This was done in the physical, and fulfilled in the spiritual. Do we truly eat of Christ’s flesh and blood by worshiping through communion? No, it is a symbolic act which reminds us of what He did so we can keep our hearts in tact with the Lord’s will for our lives. While it is a commandment of Jesus Christ to take eat of His flesh & blood, it is not to cleanse our sins. Jesus already permanently did that with His perfect self, being God, and all we have to do to be assured of salvation is believe, repent, and act in faith toward God. The account in Jn 6:53 is speaking figuratively, not literally, much like how Christ told Nicodemus he must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God. This doesn’t mean a second physical birth, but a spiritual birth.
Furthermore, what about when Jesus talked to the Samaritan woman at the well? He told her He would give her eternal water which brought forth everlasting life. Water and blood are 2 different things, so is Jesus using another analogy to mean the same thing as His blood, or is He speaking of another topic altogether?
To answer your question on other Christs, I do not know their names specifically, I just know they -are- out there. I have watched the History channel, and they have documented people who claimed to have the crucifix scars, born this date, came from that genealogy, baptized this year and fulfilled this Bible verse. It’s quite easy for anyone to do, really. A change of identity in the paperwork, a few self-inflicted scars, a good knowledge of biblical doctrine to twist, and a good alibi: some time later you have Korean antichrists, filipino antichrists, an antichrist from London, U.K., Benny Hinn (well, he’s not an antichrist but I believe he is a fraud), and whoever else you can think of.
Sorry for the long message, but it was a lot to cover. If you think I am lacking biblical verses, feel free to tell me – I do have them I’m just too lazy to include it when I know I’m going to be shot down anyways.
By: Pierce on November 6, 2010
at 8:33 am
Amen, Pierce.
Hi Walter,
When Jesus talked about us “eating His flesh and drinking His blood” He was speaking metaphorically. Read John chapter 6, and you’ll see that the conversation starts with Jesus giving them a slight rebuke for seeking Him because He was able to fill their bellies with food, so He tells them to think in more spiritual terms and uses food as a bridge to that–“Don’t work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life.”
The people asked for a sign, just like their ancestors had manna as a sign in the wilderness. They called manna the bread from heaven.
Jesus continues on the theme and says, “I am the bread from heaven…”
Did the disciples (and do you) *actually* eat Jesus’ *flesh* and do you *actually* drink His *blood*? No, it was unleavened bread (cracker) and wine (grape juice). It’s symbollic.
Likewise the “eating” and “drinking” is sybollic. Symbollic of what? See John 6:35,
“Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believed in me will never be thirsty.”
Coming to Jesus and believing in Him–the kind of belief that goes deep, not superficial. Like the difference between licking (or chewing) food and swallowing it.
Jesus EAGERLY desired to eat that Passover with His disciples because He knew what was going to be happening the next day. He knew He would be the fulfillment of the Passover lamb. He wanted His disciples to make the connection that just as the blood of the first Passover lamb allowed death to pass over the Israelites, so the blood of Jesus when spiritually applied to us, allows God to pass over our sins so that we can live eternally.
Also, when you look at the traditional Jewish celebration of Passover, and look at the Last Supper, you can see why Jesus was talking about the bread and the cup. Leaven (yeast) is compared with sin in the Bible. The bread of the Passover is unleavened, and cripsy like a cracker. Jesus was without sin like the bread was without leaven. His sinless body was the perfect sacrifice. And about the cup–there are 4 cups in the traditional Seder service and each has a specific significance. Luke 22:20 tells us that the cup of the new covenant is the one that was taken after the supper. That’s the third cup which stands for God’s promise of redemption.
In other words, we need Jesus’ fulfillment of the Passover, but it’s not in the way that the WMSCOG teaches.
and to Lol,
Walter had said that the word “communion” was not in the Bible, and I was simply correcting that misunderstanding. The Greek word was translated differently in the NIV, but if you search the KJV you will see it. I don’t have to “convince” anyone that it’s there–you can look it up yourself.
And about Adam and Eve, where does it say that Seth was their third son and that they did not have any daughters before that? Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old. Is it reasonable to assume that in that 130 years, Adam and Eve had only had 2 other children? I don’t think so.
You must make an assumption here–whichever you choose, you are adding something to the Bible that was not directly written. Either:
1. God made other humans before (or at the same time) as Adam and Eve, and they had children that married the children of Adam and Eve.
-or-
2. Adam and Eve had other children (between Cain and Seth) that are not mentioned in the Bible, and this first generation of children married each other.
Which choice is more reasonable? I say #2. But EVEN IF you say #1, you must realize that you are still ADDING to what the Bible has written. The Bible doesn’t even say how old Cain and Abel were when the first murder happened. Seth is mentioned in Gen. 5 because it was through his line that Noah came and therefore the rest of the human race we see today.
By: genny on November 7, 2010
at 7:00 am
Pierce, your responses, as always,show your extensive knowledge of the Bible. LOL, your responses, as always, show that you know only the parts of the Bible that the COG has directed you to. Not the ones about how to live and love, which you really could use, but they direct you only to the ones they think you can use to defend them, because they really need defending! Anyone with freedom of thought can see through their misguided and twisted interpretations.
I know a lot about your doctrine, probably more than you do as I have studied it intensely for a long time. You become an expert on a sickness that is affecting a loved one, and the COG is my son’s affliction right now. I have looked at the COG websites as well as the anti-cult websites. You probably don’t know this, but your church does not want you on this website because it is like “eating from the tree of knowledge” and is forbidden. At least that is what they told my son. They don’t want him looking at anything that is against what they are saying. Why are they so afraid? (Of course, I already know the answer)
I know how the church operates firsthand as well, as I have attended it several times. My husband and my daughter and daughter in law have also been there several times. My husband attended three times in one week at one point, and also did the Passover with my son twice. If what the church pushes was true, well that would be nice. But it is so obviously not, there are so many holes in your “truth” that it just doesn’t work for someone who truly reads the Bible without undue influence. I know your church so well that I have been able to predict exactly what step they are going to take with my son next, and they have done it. I know exactly what unfortunate circumstance will befall my son next, too, and they have happened as I said they would. You haven’t answered my question about if the physical and mental harm that has been done to my son is OK according to you. You simply try to assassinate my character, which makes me LOL because you don’t even know me. But I have read that cults use character assassiination and put downs to avoid answering questions or make people think they have done something wrong. It’s just another technique, and it doesn’t work on me. So answer the question please. Is it ok if he loses his wife, his job, his mind, and his health so he can continue to give your church money?
By: MountainMom on November 7, 2010
at 7:32 am
Lol, Genny.
heres the story about seth…
Gen 4:25 Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him seth saying, God has granted me ANOTHER CHILD IN PLACE of Abel, since Cain killed him.
read the BIBLE!
I’m not going to even read what mountian mom gotta say because i know it came from someone who hasn’t even read the bible…
By: Lol on November 10, 2010
at 1:54 pm
Dear Lol,
#1 — You should listen to Pierce. He has good things to say and he expresses them well.
#2 — About Seth, you must not be a parent or you would understand a little more about the loss of a child. It doesn’t matter how many children you have or how old they are. Are there any words to describe that kind of loss? It’s not unreasonable for Eve to make a statement like that even if she had other children. The point still remains–you have to make one assumption or another. I’m just hoping you recognize that the WMSCOG teaching also speculates about something that is not written directly in the Bible.
#3 — Don’t let relatively minor disagreements like that distract you from the main issue. The WMSCOG worships false gods and distorts the good news of Jesus.
By: genny on November 12, 2010
at 3:36 pm
….. I think it’s safe to say we all “READ” our “BIBLE”. The real question here is, have we allowed God to open our heart’s eyes to comprehend it?
Lol, let me ask you this: do you pray before you turn the pages of the Bible? If you do, that’s great and my prayer is that God allows you to discern that which is right from the wrong..
if you don’t, my prayer is that you do, that you will know God the way I know God, if not more. Here is how I know I am saved: my relationship with God is that like a Father to His son. It’s like the relationship of a car and the engine. Each time I open my Bible, the actions and flow of my daily life are confirmed in my heart with what my mind reads from the Holy Book. That’s why it’s the living word of God! It’s amazing, all praise be to Yahweh.
By: Pierce on November 10, 2010
at 4:24 pm
LOL, you don’t want to read my posts because they point out the ugly reality of what happens to people taken in by this cult, and the sadness their families experience. You aren’t any expert on me. You don’t know if I read the Bible or not. You are just angry because I have spoken from my heart and the truth of what I say is tough to respond to. I notice you haven’t responded either. You have chosen to ignore my very relevant questions. You don’t have an answer to any of them. I am sorry for that, and sorry for you, too. I hope God opens your eyes before you are taken in any further.
By: MountainMom on November 13, 2010
at 6:48 am
church of “god(s!)” targets the youth for a reason. inexperience or very little experience.
i am disgusted and embarrassed that ive been a victim to their doctrine.
as a lurker who read this blog when i first joined their church, i was on their side because they veiled me from everything and implanted their views into my young mind.
almost a year later ive developed my own backbone and read the bible on my own without the fear of them telling me im doing it wrong and that ill go to hell if i dont see it the way they see it.
it aint easy but definitely possible to break through their chains of fear. good luck.
By: a lurker on November 13, 2010
at 4:09 pm
Lol, Genny is all about making assumptions, the truth is we don’t have to make any assumptions…
What if my assumption shows me that the COG is right. Does this mean I’m going to hell because my lack of knowledge failed me? What makes your assumption more right than my assumption?
As for mountain mum…Yes, no doubt your family is going through a hard time. But i can go on forever talking about the behavior of certain mainstream christian and catholic churches and how they cause harm to others. This problem exist in all churches around the world.
By: Lol on November 14, 2010
at 7:44 am
The point is that with all the WMSCOG’s talk about not adding anything to the Bible, not putting in your own understanding, opinions or interpretations, but only reading what is actually written — adding to the Bible is exactly what they do themselves…a lot. The story about Adam and Eve and where Cain got his wife is an example.
That’s the problem with the WMSCOG’s assumptions — they contradict their own principles.
By: genny on November 15, 2010
at 3:23 pm
Lol, that is an irrelevant question, “What makes your assumption more right than my assumption”. Don’t you think that’s what Muslims and Jews will say when you preach to them? What about Atheists?
How can you stand up to a Muslim who has full faith in Allah and the Koran and expect them not to ask you the same question? In a way, all religions assume they are more “right” than other beliefs’ assumptions.
1 John 4 speaks about testing the spirits of everything to see if they are true or not. That is how we can know our “assumptions” are not false. By asking the Holy Spirit which is right, which is wrong, that is how we know. Who are the followers of Ahn Sang Hong to tell me that I do not know God? They don’t know my heart, they only know what I believe.
In 1 John 4, we find John telling us how that the believer will be found in his confession that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, died and resurrected, is Lord.. Anyone else who tells you otherwise is not of God. What this means is that the Jesus, our God who became incarnate as a Jewish man, is Lord, and that Ahn Sang Hong, a Korean man who is -not- tied to Jesus in any way other than a bunch of coincidental alibis and twisting of scripture, could not possibly be the same Jesus who has come in the flesh 2,000 years ago.
Furthermore, in 1 John 4, John says to be a true Christian, we must love. From what I’ve heard of COG, they are very hard on their believers when it comes to tithes and offerings or not showing up to church or proselytizing. I understand they must act in discipline, church discipline is definitely enforced in the Bible. However, the COG goes about church discipline seems more egotistical and arrogant than in true love for the believer to remain obedient to God.
And amen to Genny & Mountainmom. No matter what these folks say, know that your Father will reward you in the end and new beginning of days.
By: Pierce on November 14, 2010
at 8:12 am
LOL, I am a Presbyterian. I don’t know of a single Presbyterian who has had their marriage, family relationships, careers, or finances damaged by their association with their church. The COG does this damage to their members on a regular basis, and this is what the problem is with this “religion.” It is a High Demand Group that uses mind control and deception, and rules it’s members with fear. My son was told if he missed a Sabbath he would be “injured.” This was told to him by the Pastor directly. The Pastor said he was injured once when he missed church, and his brother also had an accident. What a dirty trick to pull on someone, to put this irrational fear in their mind to control them. That’s all it was. Another way to enforce obedience. What is that?
By: MountainMom on November 16, 2010
at 8:41 am
According to this video, we must be baptized in the name of the “Holy Spirit” since we have passed the age of the Father, and passed the age of the Son, and are now in the age of the Holy Spirit.
Tell me this, COG followers, please inform me on how that makes any logical sense? Please do not give me any of the same answers I’ve already heard about how in Revelation it speaks of Christ giving us His “new name”. I have already heard that one too many times already – it proves nothing.
This is what I see: If we are to be baptized in the name of the Father during that age, in the name of the Son during Jesus’ time, and the name of the Holy Spirit during His time, then why is it that the believers who came to the Christian faith from the biblical church up to now have always been by the name of Jesus Christ?
If that is the case, then how do we know that the new believers Paul baptized were truly baptized correctly, being under Jesus’ name when Jesus was not present on the earth? According to COG, the name of the Holy Spirit was not revealed until recently, so how is it they were saved? How about people after that? Are all the Christians who have lived and died in history for Christ unsaved, even while following His commandments? According to COG, they would be unsaved because they weren’t baptized in the correct name for the age of the Holy Spirit, right?
Furthermore, I still don’t see how a new name changes the body of a Jewish man into a Korean man. It’s reincarnation either way you look at it. Not to mention, Ahn Sang Hong was born into a Buddhist family before converting to Christianity and beginning his ministry, correct? Why would God want to be born into something He so strongly wants to abolish – a religion that seeks peace outside of God’s plans.
Please answer me in honesty – do some real research on your own, find your own Bible verses. I don’t want to hear the same agenda your church elders have taught you – that stuff is recycled all to often that I can’t believe you call that proselytizing.
By: Pierce on November 22, 2010
at 7:46 am
Hi Pierce,
The church believes that most people have not gone to heaven because even though they had the name of the son, they did not have the Passover. They believe that most people will not go to heaven because we were sent here as a punishment for trying to kill our heavenly parents in Heaven (see Job). The earth is the city of refuge talked about in the bible and only the souls who were innocent in heaven but tricked by Satan will make it back to heaven. Also, the bible says that the second coming of Christ will come in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7). Melchizedek came without genealogy (meaning he cant be Jewish), and without mother and father meaning, parents that do not believe. The church believes that Jesus could not have fulfilled Melchizeded because he had genealogy (Mt 1:1) and that he had parents that believed. Also, the second coming should come from the east (Rev 7:2) which John wrote when he was on the island of Patmos which is directly west of S. Korea. both on the 37th parallel which also happens to be the # of years that Jesus’ second coming needs to preach to fulfill the root of David. (who reigned for 40 years while Jesus only reigned for 3). I know it sounds tough to believe but the problem is that this church does indeed follow the bible much closer than most other Christian denominations. I do not go to the church any longer and it is getting easier by the day to see the flaws, but their bible teaching is something i can not find very many flaws with. What other church can show you 1st coming Christ in the bible? I’m sure no one here even knows what I’m talking about, but the problem is that this church knows the bible better than anyone. I don’t know how they did it unless they truly have god almighty in the flesh. I refuse to say anything bad about the church because I cant tell based on the teachings whether its true or not. All i can go off of is the people. The NY church made a video cutting pieces from the move 300 which to me was kinda disturbing considering this was a church. Also, logic tells me that if some of us sinned in heaven unintentionally because we were tricked by Satan, then why would god send us to hell for not understanding the law on earth. I mean, God knows who is innocent and who is guilty and god knows whether we will come to the “truth” or not. So really, in the end, its not our choice because god can make us believe or not believe…. right? All i know is COG makes some very valid points, most Christians practice sun worship (whether they like to admit it or not) and I’m stuck somewhere in a state of confusions wondering how bad hell is going to be for me because i cant figure out who true god is.
By: walter on November 23, 2010
at 12:06 am
Honestly, Walter, most Christians practice sun worship? No Christian I know does that. And what are we supposed to admit? There is nothing to admit. When I worship, it is God the Father. Do you think I say,” My Sun God, who art in heaven?” That is ridiculous. I pray as Jesus instructed us to, “Our Father who art in heaven.” I do sun bathe though, does that count?
By: MountainMom on November 23, 2010
at 6:38 am
I’m not trying to be rude, but it is true. Why do you think we have Sunday worship. Research March 7th 321 AD and “venerable day of the sun”. Also, research the history of Christmas. Do you know Jesus’ real birthday? When did Jesus celebrate any birthdays? Did Jesus tell us to celebrate birthdays? Read about the plagues in the book of revelation. One might make sense if you do.
By: walter on November 23, 2010
at 8:43 am
Walter, thank you for the Bible verses and analogies you’ve given. I’ll take them into consideration and think/reflect on them.
That said, I must say that although their Biblical teachings may be pretty good and well-knit, you must understand that they aren’t necessarily true. That’s how they get you in on their little agenda – they “know” their Bible in and out, then they teach things to their congregations without letting the congregation know about the holes in their teachings.
I’ll point out again the question of love: the Bible clearly says in John 13:35, Jesus tells us the world will know we are His followers by our love. In Paul’s epistles, love is repeatedly a primary attribute of the Christian. Do the COG followers have the fruits of the spirit, most importantly love? Do the leaders have love for the backsliders in their churches, who may not pay enough in tithes? From what people have told me, that is not so.
Another thing I must point out is that although Jesus never told us to celebrate Christmas, He never said there is any harm in it. When I put up a Christmas tree, I don’t worship it. Sure, I say it’s a beautiful tree, or that the lights are pretty, but I can say a woman is beautiful and it’s not worship. I don’t live my day to day life just for Christmas, God has taken my heart. That said, what harm is there? None. It’s all in good fun and festivities – has nothing to do with idolatry. If Christmas is harmful, we had better not go to the movies once a month with friends – that is ritualistic and therefore media worship :)
Romans 14:5 “One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. ”
The “day” refers to the sabbath and/or festivities. It is a personal conviction, not a legalistic rule. The law was killed at the cross with Christ. although we should not knowingly sin, we don’t need to be tied to the law as the Jews once were.
By: Pierce on November 23, 2010
at 9:23 am
I agree with you about it maybe not being true or else I would still go to service. The problem for me is how well the teachings fit together. And about the flaws, I can really only think of two that I noticed but they call one of them out before they show it to you and say it has a different meaning (which I asked about, but never got an answer). Maybe they are telling the truth, maybe they are lying. I don’t know. About the love part, they do talk about love a lot, but not like most churches. They also talk about evil and gods wrath more than any other church I ever went to. I tell myself that this is just a scare tactic to keep me going to service, but the problem is that the bible does say all of these things. Jesus did preach a lot about love, but he was also very stern in his teachings and was quick to point out the evils in people. After all, he is god and he has the right, no? I see your point about Christmas, but the bible says that the sun will scorch the people (Rev 7 and 16) and this can be read figuratively or physically. I mean, given the Catholic church could have picked any day of the year to celebrate the birth of Christ and they picked the sun gods birthday is kind of scary. Maybe its just a coincidence… but I know I’m not celebrating it this year. I’m just not willing to risk it.
Now, about Romans Ch 14. This is touchy. If you read from vs1 it is talking about two different people. One who’s faith is weak, and one who’s isn’t. In my opinion, this does not mean that Saturday is not the correct day and can be substituted with Sunday. It just means that I (as a mortal man) do not have the right to judge anyone who does not have strong enough faith to keep the Sabbath. Of course god does have the right to judge us based on our faith and for not knowing him.
And about the tithe issue. I kept service regularly for 5+ mos. I was never once hassled about my tithes. the only time i was even asked about them was when i applied to go to Korea. Tithes were kept private and personal. In fact, I was never even told about tithes until I was into my second month of keeping service. I did almost leave because I was raised Methodist and was always told that any church that tithes is not following the bible because one should not have to pay to go to heaven. The truth is however that Jesus does talk about tithes and we know that Melchizedek the high priest (who the second coming will come in the order of) did tithe.
I hate the fact that I feel like I am defending this church. I am not trying to. I can only state what I know based on my view point of what i witnessed. I am just being honest. The reason I left is simple. 666 was probably really 616 in the book of Revelation and if Ahnsahnghong was god then the study about Daniel’s dream might have been different. How can mother be the praise of the earth if most people will not go to heaven or worship in the COG. How can the blood of someone I did not preach to be on my head if the world can not end until everyone has heard about mother. And why-o-why do some of the church members make a video taking clips from 300 with people getting their heads chopped off and other violence put to a sound track that is just short of rapping about raping and pillaging and show this to the “brothers” in between services? Is this really profit or angelic-like behavior? These contradictions do not make sense to me, but unfortunately they have nothing to do with the way the interpret the bible.
By: walter on November 24, 2010
at 12:25 am
Walter, I’ve sent you an email
Regards,
Jamie Thong
By: Seeking Truth on November 24, 2010
at 8:09 am
Of course you don’t want to feel like defending them, Walter. You’re on the right track, I can already tell. I can’t tell you what to believe – that’s between you and God. What I can tell you is to look at the big picture: whether you love the WMSCOG or not, they have too many errors in their teaching to be accurately followed.
They may know some truth, but that’s all they know. No human can ever tell you how to perfectly follow Christ in every way, because we’re human and until heaven comes down to destroy and reform earth in the last days, we will not be seeing anything perfected.
I don’t care if one is methodist, catholic, lutheran, pentecostal, what have you – it’s all corrupted in some way or another. Now, that doesn’t mean that a methodist, catholic, lutheran, or pentecostal is going straight to Hell. As long as one believes in the basic truths: Man is sinfully fallen and separated from God, Man can obtain salvation from repenting of sins and believing on Jesus Christ, Man then follows His commandments (summed up in the word “Love”) and Man does good works as result of the overwhelming grace of God.
Let any COG pastor tell me off for saying that, but they know it’s true in their heart even if they don’t believe it. They know, or else they wouldn’t try to defend themselves. Walter, I don’t know what to tell you that you don’t already know or have some opinion on, but I do know that you just gotta keep pressing on in this spiritual battle. Don’t settle for less than the truth – research everything out and don’t believe everything any one religion tells you. Seek it out. Muslims are just as tight in their own scripture as COG is, so for all we know it is Allah we should be following and not Jesus or AhnSangHong. If it weren’t for God personally revealing Himself to me through answering my prayers daily for years on end, I might not have faith in Jesus, but in some other god instead. That’s how I know the Triune God I serve is real – the real answering of prayer. Sorry for the long message, but you know this is a tough subject hehe :)
By: Pierce on November 24, 2010
at 2:11 am
Lolll, genny.
Everything in the bible is there for a reason, every single verse.
Even according to common sense it’s hard to believe adam and eve is the first human being. Science shows that it’s impossible. If you get some education, you’ll find out how human came to be…science and the bible must go hand in hand.
I never said my belief is base on assumptions..genny wrote that a person has to make assumptions when reading the bible and hopefully their assumption matches hers or else, lolll. This clearly shows that her belief is base on making assumptions here and there because there are many things that don’t make sense to her.
By: Lol on November 26, 2010
at 12:24 pm
Lol, we do not need assumptions in understanding how the Bible tells us to be saved. It says it straight out, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Eph. 2:8-9)
If you’ll remember, we had been talking about Adam and Eve and Cain. The Bible does not say specifically who Cain’s wife was. Therefore, any statement anyone makes about who Cain’s wife was involves some measure of assuming, deducing, inferring…. Some answers will be more reasonable than others. (For example, there’s probably someone who will say that she was an alien.) I’m sorry that you don’t seem to understand this, but hopefully other people reading here get the point.
By: genny on November 29, 2010
at 11:01 am
Lol,
you do realize how contradictory it is to say science and the Bible must go hand in hand and that it’s too hard to believe Adam and Eve were the first human beings, while also believing in GOD?
First off, don’t EVER put God in a box as if you know how He works in all of His ways. He is omni-everything. This means He has no limits, no boundaries. If He wants to create 2 people and have them pro-create until we have as many people as we have today, He’ll allow it and make it possible. If He wants to be 3 simultaneous persons as Father, Son, and Spirit still equally 1 God, He can do that.
Why is it so easy for you to believe Jesus Christ the Jewish man went up to Heaven at the end of the Gospels, and “came back down out of the clouds” as a Korean man, completely different in every which way even to the personality, and yet you can’t believe in the Trinitarian doctrine nor that God would have the power to create 2 human beings alone from the mud of the earth, whether science agrees with it or not?
I agree that science and the Bible must go hand in hand, but only because science reveals how true the Bible is all the more. Science is simply discovery. It is not complete fact, for science changes as our discoveries change. There is a scientist out there today claiming gravity is a myth, and that the law of gravity in truth is a phenomenon of something other than the “fact” that gravity exists. It is inconclusive, but fact is science changes it’s views. The Bible never changes, at least not the foundational doctrines.
By: Pierce on November 26, 2010
at 12:33 pm
Jamie, that was a bit graphic lol but other than that, you are so right. Especially concerning your response to Chelsea in 2009. I was also approached by these people and went to soma bunch of studies just to see what it was about and I found that their teachings only contradicted the truth of Christ that God clearly revealed all over the bible. What also struck me about these people is that, for those who claim to be so filled with the holy spirit, they did not display any of the fruits of the spirit. That was an immediate red flag. I was treated horribly because of my curiosity and challenging questions. Any “religion” that is so threatened by honest questions, is very dangerous. I also noticed they have a select few verses to support their statements. I’ve been reading through the New Testament and you can’t escape the fact that Christ is the only way to an eternal relationship and friendship with God. It is EVERYWHERE. And they never address those verses. Its sad that so many people believe because it is so weakly based. Keep blogging Jamie! God Bless. You seem like a real red blooded american. Those are so rare where I come from. It’s refreshing to see someone like you blogging.
By: Abby on November 29, 2010
at 5:56 am
I’ve read some comments on here for a while, and what I want to ask is how will we know which church to go to? Every single church says they’re in the right. But they all lack some truth one way or another. As someone who’s been searching for the truth, I really don’t know what to do anymore. I’ve been pulled this way and that. Every church I’ve been to contradicted themselves. I do believe Jesus will come again. I don’t want to follow traditions with pagan origins. Such as Xmas. Some say it is just a day for fun and presents but it is actually to celebrate Jesus’s birth. But it does not state when he was born.
http://www.essortment.com/all/christmaspagan_rece.htm
Finally, I guess we’ll all just have to pray that God has mercy on us.
I truly hope we can be saved on the last day. God bless us all.
By: seekingtruth on December 5, 2010
at 4:17 pm
Dear Seeking Truth,
You said, “I guess we’ll all just have to pray that God has mercy on us.”
That’s exactly it!! We must rely on God’s grace and mercy to save us. Salvation is His gift to those who believe and trust in Him and accept Jesus’ sacrifice as payment for their sin.
It is not about how well we keep rules and regulations and laws and commands, because it is impossible to keep them all perfectly 100% of the time. If you rely on your own efforts to achieve salvation, you will inevitably fail.
A truly believing heart will produce the fruit of obedience, but is it ceremonies and regulations and rules that are the most important to God? No. The greatests commandments are love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. (Mark 12:29-31)
But 100% obedience, 100% of the time is still unachievable, even for the believer–we still stumble and make mistakes. Even Paul struggled. (Romans 7:14-25)
Praise God that He looks at our hearts more than at our actions!
We must each finally come to the place where we realize that we cannot rely on ourselves or our pastor or our church membership or our parents or our checklist of required works… None of those things has power to save us from our sins. We can only rely on God’s mercy and the grace He has given to pay for those sins Himself through Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” — Rom. 6:23
By: genny on December 10, 2010
at 2:06 am
@ Genny: Hit the head of the nail with a strong hammer!! Exactly right, amen!
There are verses all over the New Testament that speak of works being produced by faith, but not at all necessary for Salvation. The person who is saved will certainly obey the word of God out of pure will because of the Holy Spirit in his/her life, though to achieve perfect obedience is impossible.
Also, I heard this on a radio talk show recently: the reason we worship on Sunday in place of the Sabbath is because the Old Covenant commanded Jews to celebrate the Sabbath, but under the New Covenant in Christ, we celebrate God on the first day of the week, “Sunday”, in place of the New Sabbath. When the Gentiles were converted to Christianity, they were not expected to worship on the Sabbath. The Messianic Jews would celebrate on the Sabbath if they so chose to out of obligation, but the Gentiles, according to Paul, were not obligated to do so.
This link carries out all details of my point..
http://www.repentnow.com/sabbath.htm
And this verse sums it all up in a nutshell:
Colossians 2:16-17
16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
By: Pierce on December 12, 2010
at 12:50 am
God Christ Ahsahnghong said that there is our God the Mother, Heavenly Mother in heaven. Let’s find out about Heavenly Jerusalem Mother, God the Mother through the Bible in World Mission Soceity Church of God.
The character Abraham is used to represent God in the Bible. Through the history of Abraham’s family, God has revealed to us how we can inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac was the one who received Abraham’s inheritance. Even though Abraham had another son named Ishmael, born through Hagar, God did not allow Ishmael to receive the inheritance of Abraham. Rather, God bestowed the inheritance upon Isaac, who was born through Sarah. The reason why Isaac was chosen as Abraham’s heir was that Isaac was the son of Sarah, who was free. This history shows us that the heavenly inheritance will be given to those who are born of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that our heavenly Mother does in fact exist and that She is truly the biggest mystery hidden within the Bible.
Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Abraham Represents GodFirst of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.
Luke 16:19-31 『”…The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham…’ “』
As you know, this parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham can be likened to the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac, the Heir of AbrahamThen, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir. There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Gen. 15:1-4 『…But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』
When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.
Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.
Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』
When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three?Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac?Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
The Key Factor in Deciding an Heir Is “Mother”Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir. Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.
In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir? that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.
What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.
Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother?only the children who are born through the new covenant?can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:22-31 『…But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother…Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
In today’s world, there are three types of people: those who are like Eliezer, those like Ishmael, and those who are like Isaac. The first type of people, who are like Eliezer, are atheists, who do not believe in Father God or in Mother God. The second type of people, who are like Ishmael, are those who believe in Father God, but do not believe in Mother God. The third type of people, who are like Isaac, are those who believe in Mother God as well as Father God. According to the history of Abraham’s family, which one of these three types can become an heir of the kingdom of heaven? Only the third type of people, who are like Isaac, can be recognized as God’s heirs. There is no doubt about it.
Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.
God said, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). What kind of knowledge is God referring to in this verse? We must recognize that we have a God the Mother, as well as a God the Father. We must accept Elohim God. Also, we must firmly believe that God is our Mother, who gives us salvation alongside our Father. Only after we come to realize this can we say that we have the knowledge of God, and that we will not be those who are destroyed from a “lack of knowledge.”
The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on January 18, 2011
at 9:43 am
Believers of the World Mission Society Church of God, tell me this much: did Ahn Sang Hong grow up a Buddhist or did he not? If such is true, he CANNOT be the second coming of Christ, for Jesus Christ never once sinned; God cannot know sin, God does not sin, and God will never be a sinner. Someone who is born into and acknowledges a religion that is contrary to the word of God is an idol worshiper and thus a sinner.. whether or not that person repents of sin later on does not make a difference; if they have sinned even once, they are not God.. again, Ahn Sang Hong could not be the Christ if this is true..
so again, I ask, was Ahn Sang Hong a Buddhist before converting to Christianity?
By: Pierce on January 18, 2011
at 1:21 pm
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the prophetical Melchizedek. Let’s see what much more is to say about Melchizedek that now we children of Almighty Elohim God can understand and believe in Him.
Heb 7:1-4 “This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.”
Let’s study in detail each of the characteristics that Christ has to fulfill when He comes in the order of Melchizedek as the High Priest:
1) King of Salem
Salem was a gentile country that existed at the time when Abraham was living. Gentile refers to non-Israelite tribes, meaning that the people in there did not believe in the creator God. Melchizedek was the king of this Kingdom. So, the prophetical Melchizedek has to be born in a country that do not believe in God and that they do not belong to any of the tribe of the Israelites. However, when Jesus came, to which country He came to?
– He came to Israel! – as a part of the prophecy, did He fulfilled? – NO
Even at Jesus death, how did the Israelites called Him:
Matthew 27:35 “When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots. And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS.”
As you can see Jesus did not fulfill the 1st prophetical point about Melchizedek.
2)“Without father or mother”
Can this be physically possible? No, because it is impossible for anyone on this earth to be born without Father of Mother, for this reason we could understand that this characteristic must have a biblical meaning. The Bible acknowledges only those who believe in God as the father or the mother of a man (Matt. 12: 50). Thus, the words, “(Melchizedek is) without father or mother,” mean that the spiritual Melchizedek was to be born among unbelievers. However, Jesus was born of a believer family: “Joseph and Mary” So, did Jesus fulfilled the 2nd prophetical point? – NO
Matthew 12:46-50 ”While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
2) “Without genealogy”
In the Bible, “genealogy” refers to the twelve tribes of Israel, in other words with Jewish blood. The words, “(Melchizedek is) without genealogy,” mean that the spiritual Melchizedek would be born among the Gentiles, without Jewish blood; however, Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah (Matthew 1:1).
These were the characteristics of Melchizedek that Apostle Paul felt were too hard to explain. At that moment Apostle Paul could not
explain very well because the people has no faith in Christ Jesus as God, so it was so difficult to say that Jesus did not fulfilled this prophecy in His first coming, that is why He promised to come a Second time.
Heb. 9:28 “…he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”
Then when Second Coming Christ appears, who’s prophecy must He fulfilled? – Melchizedek, meaning that He has to be born in a
unbeliever country, that has not Jewish blood line, his parents cannot believe in God and He has to bless us with bread and wine. This will make second coming Christ Almighty God.
Who came and fulfill this prophecy:
Christ Ahnsahnghong has come from the East in 1948 to fulfill this prophecy.
Christ Ahnsahnghong has to fulfill the following factors in order to be Second Coming Christ.
1) He will be born among unbelievers (”without father or mother”).
2) He will be born of Gentiles (”without genealogy”).
3) He will bless us with eternal life through the Passover bread and wine.
4) He is God (”without beginning of days or end of life”).
Christ Ahnsahnghong was born in 1918 in South Korea and fulfilled all of these prophecies. At that time in 1918 the majority of Korea were either Buddhist or Confucian; there was no trace of Christianity in Korea. If the people did not believe in God, it is impossible for Christ Ahnsahnghong to be born in a household of believers. Christ Ahnsahnghong was born in a Buddhist home; through this he fulfilled the characteristic of Melchizedek “without father or mother”.
After the destruction of Israel in 70 A.D. the Jews spread through out the whole world, without a country of their own. They entered every nation, and mixed with the people of that nation, for this reason is very hard to tell who does not descends from a Jewish genealogy. But the only country where Jewish people never entered, was South Korea. Korea, is known as the “Hermit Kingdom”. Meaning that they dislike everybody else that was not Korean. They were very xenophobic. The Korean xenophobia even came to the extreme case where Korean women would commit suicide if they lost their chastity to another man other than their husband, and they would never mix with men from other nations. It is a dishonor to their culture and heritage to intermix with other nations. For this reason it is impossible to find any Jewish blood, so Christ Ahnsahnghong, who was born in Korea did not come from the twelve tribes of Israel, and has no Jewish blood. In this way Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the characteristic of Melchizedek “No genealogy”.
Christ Ahnshanghong fulfilled the prophecies about the Second Coming Jesus. We members of the Church of God World Mission Society believe that Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ our Savior, who came in the order of Melchizedek.
Isa. 25:6 “On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine the best of meats and the finest of wines …he will swallow up death forever…In that day they will say, “Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us.””
Only God will prepare this feast of aged wine that has the power to destroy death forever in the last days. The only feast in the Bible that uses wine and has this kind of power is the Passover of the New Covenant. After the Passover was abolished by the Nicaea Council in 325 A.D. no church has celebrated the Passover that is described in the Bible. Even though they say they do, they are basically lying to their member, because it is written, that it will be only be established by Almighty God who is to come in the flesh.
The only one that since then has preach about the true Passover is Ahnsahnghong as it is prophecied in the Bible. Christ Ahnsahnghong was baptized at the age of 30 in 1948 according to the prophecies of King David and the prophecy of the fig tree.
Before the end comes, we need to accept Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Christ, who fulfilled the prophecies of Melchizedek. Christ Ahnsahnghong blessed us with eternal life through the bread and wine of the Passover. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our Savior, according to the Bible.
By: Bell on January 19, 2011
at 1:56 pm
It’s been an awful long time since the last time I was here. Oh Walter I feel bad for you because I am in the same position as you are. Coming out of CoGWMS it’s very hard to believe that there is a God or that any other church is true, particularly when such churches do not follow God’s commands, but rather men made traditions-that are not even in the bible “/ (I am not pointing the finger to any church in particular, for the same can be said or overly discussed as we can see in this blog by those that do not agree with the teachings of church of god). I have also found difficult to find flaws in the teachings, although I have found contradictions elsewhere.
Personally, I think we all pick and choose which bible verses to post, pay attention to, read or defend in an attempt to prove out point/s. Yet, I have come to understand that no one single verse is more important than the other. They were all written for a reason and thus must be equally pertinent, significant, otherwise, why are they in the bible in the first place?! (this is under the belief OF COURSE, that even though the bible was put together by human hands it was the Almighty God the one who inspired its writings and that He knew which books would be omitted and which ones would make the cut).
I agree with Walter in many things and do not want to offend, hurt, or be disrespectful towards anyone. I think we should all pay a little more close attention to the theology and history of the doctrines we so strongly defend and follow. For just as we do not know much about 2nd coming christ’s life or how he came to put all these teachings together, neither do many christians know how their religion came about and what is really behind the rules and regulations they adhere to~I could go on for days on this topic, but that’s not why I decided to write on this blog again.
To end, we all claim to know Jesus and to love Jesus and to see Jesus as only God and way to heaven. However, it is the same Jesus that said that he was the life, the truth and the way and that no one could go to the father unless through him, the one that also said that he was the Lord of the Sabbath, so who are we to pick and choose and give more value to one verse over another? It was the same Jesus that left us the commandment to love each as he’s loved us, the one that said, I tell you the truth (He’s not speaking in parables here) unless you EAT the flesh of the son of men and DRINK his blood you have no life in you and no Genny, I can’t agree with you on this one, he might have been speaking figuratively in the sense that his body and blood would be represented by bread and wine, but that’s about it, otherwise he would not have EVER wasted his time given his disciples wine and bread to eat as a representation of his body and blood and waited to do so on the PASSOVER night right before he died for us and asked for them to do such an act as a remembrance of him. The Passover night and the bread and wine most be of great importance for him to say that, not his disciples that unless we DRINK and EAT of it we have no life in us and only he who drinks will have eternal life= salvation. And of course there is a verse that said that we are saved by faith, by believing in Christ. But it could be argued that Christ left us Passover and if we have faith and believe in him we would part take on this celebration. There’s also a verse that says that faith without deeds is dead, so faith might mean action. I mean if we do celebrate Passover we can’t boast and said we were save because of our right doing, but rather thanks to the mercy of god that through the Passover cleansed us from our sin. Anyways, this just goes back to “all verses are important.” In my humble opinion, Passover is important and it happens once a year, but like I said before I’m not here to prove a point or to make any one a believer of Passover or anything for that matter. I am not interested in arguing or engaging in an “I say, you say, we say” ordeal. I mainly wanted to let Walter know that he is not alone and that I too understand his pain and his confusion! It is not about 2nd coming christ or mother Jerusalem; It’s about wanting to do what is right yet not being able to because one is not blind and sees all the flaws in bible teachings and interpretations of sooooo many denominations (church of god might be included in this)!! As of right now I just rather follow my own heart, far far far away from any religion, tradition, or doctrine. Anything men made religious idea-custom disgusted me at this point!! May God (Alpha and Omega) truly TRULY have mercy on us all (I wish this from deepest of my soul)!
By: lili on January 19, 2011
at 3:56 pm
All of those points and verses are indeed interesting; however, no one has answered my question upfront as of yet: was Ahn Sang Hong born into a Buddhist family and a Buddhist himself before he founded his church?
By: Pierce on January 19, 2011
at 4:39 pm
Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.』
All of the earthly systems are a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. The family system is the same. Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us the existence of the heavenly Mother by teaching us about the heavenly family system through the earthly family system.
Everything within the spiritual world is reflected on this earth. In other words, everything on the earth is a shadow, and the things in heaven are the realities of what is on earth.
God established the earthly family system to show us that there is also a family system in heaven. The reason why God made every family on the earth has a father, a mother, and children was to reveal that in heaven, as well, there are a Father, a Mother, and children. God’s providence is to let us know that there exists a God the Mother in heaven, as well as a God the Father.
Do you want to be a part of the heavenly family? Let us find out how we can be members of the heavenly family.
House
What are you reminded of when you hear the word “family”? Don’t you think of a “house”? Jesus also mentioned a “house” many times in the Bible.
John 14:1-3 『”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place [house] for you. And if I go and prepare a place [house] for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.』
Jesus said that the Father’s house surely exists. As of now, the house has been prepared. Then, who will be the members of this house? The family system described in the Bible is paternalistic. As you can see through your physical family, the first, main member of the house is the father. Therefore, if there is a father in the families on the earth, there must also be a Father in heaven.
Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong
Let us find out if we have a Father in heaven.
Heb. 12:9 『Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!』
The God in heaven is our God the Father. Just as we have a physical father on this earth, we have a spiritual Father in heaven. He is God the Father, Ahnsahnghong.
Children of Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong
Who comes to mind next when we think of a family? Most people will think of a “mother.” But before we consider “mother,” we have to think about what kind of person can be called a “father.” No one can be called “father” unless he has a child. No matter how old a man is, if he has had no children, who would call him “father”? The title “father” is only used by children.
Therefore, a family must have children. Let us find out if our heavenly Father has children.
Matt. 12:46 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Here, we can find the words “brothers” and “sisters.” Just as we have physical brothers and sisters, we have spiritual brothers and sisters. God’s children, who call upon the God in heaven as “Father,” must follow the will of the heavenly Father. In the Church of God, the children of the heavenly Father keep the Sabbath, the Passover, and all of the other truths, according to the will of the Father in heaven. The Church of God follows the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and we are brothers and sisters.
Heavenly Mother Jerusalem
We have studied that there exist a God the Father, and His children, in the heavenly family. Then, who is left? It’s Mother.
Gal. 4:25-26 『Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.
So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.
The Family Must Be Connected by Blood
What connects a family together? It’s blood. Just as physical children inherit their father and mother’s flesh and blood, the spiritual children inherit the spiritual Father and Mother’s flesh and blood. If the physical family is connected by physical blood, then the heavenly family is connected by heavenly blood, because what is on earth is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.
John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
Jesus fed his people with His flesh and blood, so the heavenly Father and Mother’s blood and flesh are now in us. Only God has eternal life. The flesh and blood of God—who gives eternal life—has been given to us, God’s children. Thus, we have become eternal beings and we are able to call upon God, “Abba, Father!”
Right to Become the Children of Father Ahnsahnghong
Then, through what truth can we receive the right to become God’s children? How can we inherit the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father?
Matt. 26:17-19 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.』
Matt. 26:26-28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
As shown above, the Passover bread is Jesus’ body, His flesh, and the Passover wine is Jesus’ blood. By eating and drinking the bread and wine of the Passover, we can receive God’s flesh and blood and become God’s children.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who brought the Passover in this last age. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our spiritual Father who brought us the Passover, which spiritually connects us with God. Our spiritual Mother is the true God who gives us birth and brings us up. Don’t you want to be a member of the spiritual family? Let us all become God’s children, receiving the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and our heavenly Mother through the Passover of the new covenant, so that we can inherit the kingdom of God.
By: Bell on January 20, 2011
at 10:24 am
Bell,
you have no foundation in Ahn Sang Hong, for how can you prove to me whether or not scripture is true?
The question has been raised that even back in the early times of the church, the book of Hebrews and the book of James were questioned as to whether or not they were valid books of the Bible. Martin Luther himself questioned whether the book of James should be a part of the biblical cannon.
Now, I believe that the cannon we hold now is the books used by the biblical church, and I believe the books of the Bible to be the correct and holy word of God; however, I did not just come to believe that because it’s “true”, I came to believe that through my research.
In fact, for all we know there is a book or two missing! The only thing we can count on is knowing that the apostles validated each others words in the books of the New Testament and that’s how we “know”.
Having said that, it is great to have faith in something, but blind faith in something is pathetic and ignorant. You won’t go very far..
Finally, your scripture quoting certainly suits what you are trying to say and is a good attempt at backing yourself up, although one thing: you twist each and every one of those verses which could be interpreted a number of ways, how do you know that the term “mother which is above” is specifically referring to some heavenly mother which is God? Because Ahn Sang Hong said so? Psssht, that’s blind faith, dearest Bell. Why do you believe Ahn Sang Hong is Christ? Because the Bible says so? Well, how do you know the Bible is true? Blind faith. You need to know 100% for sure that what you believe is true, dearest Bell, or you may end up wasting your time in something when you could be getting closer to the truth.
Believe in Ahn Sang Hong, Zhang Gil-Jah, and their lies and you WILL end up in Hell. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that Ahn Sang Hong and the heavenly mother saves anyone. Whether or not Christ has a new name, it is the name of Jesus Christ that saves, and until there is written a book in the Bible where a new name is what saves, then I will continue to believe in the holy scriptures the name of Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, in which no man cometh to the Father but by Him.
That passage will NEVER EVER change. Jesus didn’t say “For now, I am the way”.. no, Jesus said I AM the way, I AM the truth, I AM the life, NO man cometh to the Father BUT BY ME.. period, thus says the Lord.
By: Pierce on January 20, 2011
at 10:39 am
Christ Ahsahnghong said that there is our God the Mother, Heavenly Mother in heaven. Let’s find out about Heavenly Jerusalem Mother, God the Mother through the Bible in World Mission Soceity Church of God.
Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.』
All of the earthly systems are a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven. The family system is the same. Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us the existence of the heavenly Mother by teaching us about the heavenly family system through the earthly family system.
Everything within the spiritual world is reflected on this earth. In other words, everything on the earth is a shadow, and the things in heaven are the realities of what is on earth.
God established the earthly family system to show us that there is also a family system in heaven. The reason why God made every family on the earth has a father, a mother, and children was to reveal that in heaven, as well, there is a Father, a Mother, and children. God’s providence is to let us know that there exists a God the Mother in heaven, as well as a God the Father.
Do you want to be a part of the heavenly family? Let us find out how we can be members of the heavenly family.
HouseWhat are you reminded of when you hear the word “family”? Don’t you think of a “house”? Jesus also mentioned a “house” many times in the Bible.
John 14:1-3 『”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place [house] for you. And if I go and prepare a place [house] for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.』
Jesus said that the Father’s house surely exists. As of now, the house has been prepared. Then, who will be the members of this house? The family system described in the Bible is paternalistic. As you can see through your physical family, the first, main member of the house is the father. Therefore, if there is a father in the families on the earth, there must also be a Father in heaven.
Heavenly Father AhnsahnghongLet us find out if we have a Father in heaven.
Heb. 12:9 『Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!』
The God in heaven is our God the Father. Just as we have a physical father on this earth, we have a spiritual Father in heaven. He is God the Father, Ahnsahnghong.
Children of Heavenly Father AhnsahnghongWho comes to mind next when we think of a family? Most people will think of a “mother.” But before we consider “mother,” we have to think about what kind of person can be called a “father.” No one can be called “father” unless he has a child. No mater how old a man is, if he has had no children, who would call him “father”? The title “father” is only used by children.
Therefore, a family must have children. Let us find out if our heavenly Father has children.
Matt. 12:46 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Here, we can find the words “brothers” and “sisters.” Just as we have physical brothers and sisters, we have spiritual brothers and sisters. God’s children, who call upon the God in heaven as “Father,” must follow the will of the heavenly Father. In the Church of God, the children of the heavenly Father keep the Sabbath, the Passover, and all of the other truths, according to the will of the Father in heaven. The Church of God follows the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and we are brothers and sisters.
Heavenly Mother JerusalemWe have studied that there exist a God the Father, and His children, in the heavenly family. Then, who is left? It’s Mother.
Gal. 4:25-26 『Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.
So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.
The Family Must Be Connected by BloodWhat connects a family together? It’s blood. Just as physical children inherit their father and mother’s flesh and blood, the spiritual children inherit the spiritual Father and Mother’s flesh and blood. If the physical family is connected by physical blood, then the heavenly family is connected by heavenly blood, because what is on earth is a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven.
John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
Jesus fed his people with His flesh and blood, so the heavenly Father and Mother’s blood and flesh are now in us. Only God has eternal life. The flesh and blood of God? who gives eternal life?has been given to us, God’s children. Thus, we have become eternal beings and we are able to call upon God, “Abba, Father!”
Right to Become the Children of Father AhnsahnghongThen, through what truth can we receive the right to become God’s children? How can we inherit the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father?
Matt. 26:17-19 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.』
Matt. 26:26-28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
As shown above, the Passover bread is Jesus’ body, His flesh, and the Passover wine is Jesus’ blood. By eating and drinking the bread and wine of the Passover, we can receive God’s flesh and blood and become God’s children.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who brought the Passover in this last age. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our spiritual Father who brought us the Passover, which spiritually connects us with God. Our spiritual Mother is the true God who gives us birth and brings us up. Don’t you want to be a member of the spiritual family? Let us all become God’s children, receiving the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and our heavenly Mother through the Passover of the new covenant, so that we can inherit the kingdom of God.
By: Bell on January 20, 2011
at 12:06 pm
Christ Ahsahnghong said that there is our God the Mother Heavenly Mother in heaven. Let’s find out about Heavenly Jerusalem Mother God the Mother through the Bible in World Mission Soceity Church of God.
Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.』
All of the earthly systems are a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven. The family system is the same. Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us the existence of the heavenly Mother by teaching us about the heavenly family system through the earthly family system.
Everything within the spiritual world is reflected on this earth. In other words, everything on the earth is a shadow, and the things in heaven are the realities of what is on earth.
God established the earthly family system to show us that there is also a family system in heaven. The reason why God made every family on the earth has a father, a mother, and children was to reveal that in heaven, as well, there is a Father, a Mother, and children. God’s providence is to let us know that there exists a God the Mother in heaven, as well as a God the Father.
Do you want to be a part of the heavenly family? Let us find out how we can be members of the heavenly family.
HouseWhat are you reminded of when you hear the word “family”? Don’t you think of a “house”? Jesus also mentioned a “house” many times in the Bible.
John 14:1-3 『”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place [house] for you. And if I go and prepare a place [house] for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.』
Jesus said that the Father’s house surely exists. As of now, the house has been prepared. Then, who will be the members of this house? The family system described in the Bible is paternalistic. As you can see through your physical family, the first, main member of the house is the father. Therefore, if there is a father in the families on the earth, there must also be a Father in heaven.
Heavenly Father AhnsahnghongLet us find out if we have a Father in heaven.
Heb. 12:9 『Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!』
The God in heaven is our God the Father. Just as we have a physical father on this earth, we have a spiritual Father in heaven. He is God the Father, Ahnsahnghong.
Children of Heavenly Father AhnsahnghongWho comes to mind next when we think of a family? Most people will think of a “mother.” But before we consider “mother,” we have to think about what kind of person can be called a “father.” No one can be called “father” unless he has a child. No mater how old a man is, if he has had no children, who would call him “father”? The title “father” is only used by children.
Therefore, a family must have children. Let us find out if our heavenly Father has children.
Matt. 12:46 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Here, we can find the words “brothers” and “sisters.” Just as we have physical brothers and sisters, we have spiritual brothers and sisters. God’s children, who call upon the God in heaven as “Father,” must follow the will of the heavenly Father. In the Church of God, the children of the heavenly Father keep the Sabbath, the Passover, and all of the other truths, according to the will of the Father in heaven. The Church of God follows the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and we are brothers and sisters.
Heavenly Mother JerusalemWe have studied that there exist a God the Father, and His children, in the heavenly family. Then, who is left? It’s Mother.
Gal. 4:25-26 『Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.
So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.
The Family Must Be Connected by BloodWhat connects a family together? It’s blood. Just as physical children inherit their father and mother’s flesh and blood, the spiritual children inherit the spiritual Father and Mother’s flesh and blood. If the physical family is connected by physical blood, then the heavenly family is connected by heavenly blood, because what is on earth is a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven.
John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
Jesus fed his people with His flesh and blood, so the heavenly Father and Mother’s blood and flesh are now in us. Only God has eternal life. The flesh and blood of God? who gives eternal life?has been given to us, God’s children. Thus, we have become eternal beings and we are able to call upon God, “Abba, Father!”
Right to Become the Children of Father AhnsahnghongThen, through what truth can we receive the right to become God’s children? How can we inherit the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father?
Matt. 26:17-19 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.』
Matt. 26:26-28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
As shown above, the Passover bread is Jesus’ body, His flesh, and the Passover wine is Jesus’ blood. By eating and drinking the bread and wine of the Passover, we can receive God’s flesh and blood and become God’s children.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who brought the Passover in this last age. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our spiritual Father who brought us the Passover, which spiritually connects us with God. Our spiritual Mother is the true God who gives us birth and brings us up. Don’t you want to be a member of the spiritual family? Let us all become God’s children, receiving the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and our heavenly Mother through the Passover of the new covenant, so that we can inherit the kingdom of God.
By: Bell on January 20, 2011
at 12:14 pm
Hi Bell,
Wow, you have memorized your studies very well. I remember when I had them all memorized and could recite them too. I guess that is what happens when you are at church studding everyday. The problem is that there are versus that contradict with teachings of the church. My new favorite one is Mt 24:32 which I never saw when I was “in the truth”. This verse clearly shows how the fig tree might not represent Israel in this verse, which is what the church teaches us. Also, there are several other problems, not necessarily with the bible teachings, but with the beliefs of the church. I know that no matter what anyone says, you will not listen, because I too was under the same manipulation that you were. And you honestly believe that everyone is under the spell of Satan except for you and your brothers and sisters at Zion. The problem is, that soon, 2011 is going to pass, and 2012 will come and go and a lot of people will have given up everything they had been working hard for. They have given there lives to the church, and for what? I know that you are scared to doubt the church, and let me tell you, the fear takes a while to go away even after you realize that its not true. I even had to stop talking about it for a while because I was getting too freaked out about the end of the world happening. When you realize that it is not true, please do not give up hope. My first instinct was to be mad at the bible and to give up all hope in faith. After doing some research you start to realize how the church has truly twisted the meaning of some of the verses of the bible? Then later you will start to recognize the hypocrisy and the rightness of the members of Zion that you were unable to see previously. I truly believe that it is not your fault or any of their faults because I know what it is like to be a member of that church. The really scary part is, if you are anything like me, you are scared to doubt the teachings of your pastor or missionary, but at the same time you are not scared to doubt (or question) Luke (i think) himself when he says, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved”. To me… that pretty much seals the deal. No ifs, ands, or buts. Now, I know that COG uses this verse, and they have a rhyme and a reason for almost everything, but the problem is that when you questions their teachings, they ask you (or at least they asked me), “How can you question God!?!” but my new response is, “Acts 4:12… how can you question God!?!” Please don’t do anything to alienate your family and the people who were close to you before you were deep into “the truth”. It makes it very hard and humiliating to go back when its over. I speak from experience.
A few other things to think about.
Why is there NO information anywhere about Ahnsohnghong available… anywhere except for church sources.
If he was god how can the teaching about Daniel’s prophecy be true when the real number of the beast is probably 616, not 666, and if the COG had true god, wouldn’t their teachings reflect this typo? (I was actually told by my Missionary and a Deacon that this is “because the bible itself is a stone to trip over”
Where does it say in the bible that god will come a second time, get married, die, leave his bride behind to rule the earth and seek her children.
If you let me pass by you on the street and you dont preach to me… isn’t my blood on your head? Then how can the world not end until every person hears about Mother? This is a clear contradictions.
How come some people in the truth believe that if you died before you heard about our heavenly mother then you automatically go to hell, but others believe that you will be judged based on your actions.
Lastly, I’m glad that you are on the internet because I know how the church encourages you to stay away from the internet. I also know that w/o the internet I would probably still be stuck in Zion talking about the end of the world, but aren’t you breaking one of the rules of the clean and unclean study by sharing your pearls with pigs?
By: Walter on January 21, 2011
at 12:55 am
One more thing, I have been very very curious to know how the 10 talent movement turned out. Some of the people from my Zion would preach everyday! I know that mother promised us if we got 10 talents then they would be 144,000. I left the church in October during the feast and I think out of 80 or so members one person had like 3 talents by then. Surely someone must have gotten 10 because, as long as we “preached with mothers love” its wasn’t up to us, It was up to her…. right? Do they still talk about the 10 talent movement? Are the people who bore 10 fruit able to relax or do they still need to preach everyday?
By: Walter on January 21, 2011
at 1:08 am
jajaja. I still remember of the ten talent movement. That was just a tactic to fire everybody up I think. I remember in my church, recruting was kind of slow. We all were tired and I think they started to use that ten talent movement so we can believe it would be our last mission and we can encorage eachother to complete it. I remember the pastor saying that a Sister in Korea bear 74 or 76 fruits in a period of two weeks. In my mind i didnt believe it a bit. That would not be possible not even if she doesnt work.
By: X-COG Member on January 27, 2011
at 9:52 am
The Bible is a book of God’s prophecy; not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will never disappear from the Bible until everything is accomplished. Since God is faithful, upright and just, He surely fulfills all that He has planned and purposed. So it is really a beautiful thing to pay attention to the prophecies of God and to live in accordance with God’s prophecies; that is the best way to live an upright and righteous life (Isa 14:24; 2 Pe 1:19).
Let’s take a look at the teachings of the Bible concerning the blessings and glory for those who live in accordance with the prophecies, and think about what kind of life we should live according to the prophecies given to us in this age.
Christ submitted Himself fully to the prophecies
On the night Jesus was praying at Gethsemane after celebrating the Passover, a large crowd sent from the chief priests and the elders, accompanying Judas Iscariot, came to capture Jesus. Then Peter drew his sword to defend Jesus and tried to fight against them, but Jesus stopped him and reminded him that it was a process of the prophecy in the Bible being fulfilled.
Mt 26:50-56 『. . . Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way? . . . Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.』
“How then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?” Through these words of Jesus, we can see that Christ walked the path of life exactly as preordained by the prophecies of the Bible. The Jews, who would not usually try to seize Jesus, came in a hurry to arrest Him after the Passover; Jesus could have ordered more than twelve legions of angels to defeat them, but He didn’t. What do you think the reason was? When Jesus was captured, He was led like a sheep before her shearers is silent; He just remained silent when He was flogged; and He willingly died on the cross. Jesus did it all in order to fulfill the prophecy. All this occurred because it was prophesied in the Bible.
Every prophecy of the Bible is absolute. Jesus Christ is God Almighty who can do everything, but He set us an example by submitting Himself completely to the prophecies, through which He was glorified (Php 2:5-11). From this, we can understand that every prophecy contains God’s deep purpose to show His glory to all people in the world.
At the end of our life in accordance with the prophecies, there are surely glory, blessings, eternal life and the kingdom of heaven. Let’s confirm this fact through the work of Jesus, so that we can also live according to the prophecies like Jesus.
Every prophecy certainly comes true
In the Gospel of Luke, we can see Jesus walking with His two disciples on their way to Emmaus and teaching them that every prophecy is to be fulfilled without fail.
Lk 24:13-27 『Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him. . . . He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.』
Jesus was resurrected in three days according to the prophecy, but His disciples did not believe it. Jesus rebuked them for being slow of heart to believe the prophecies and explained to them everything that had happened to Him: As prophesied, He became a sin offering and died on the cross with the wicked, one on His left and the other on His right; according to the prophecy, His body was buried in a rich man’s tomb; and He rose from the dead on the third day after His crucifixion.
While the disciples were listening to Jesus, their hearts started to burn within them. ‘That’s right! Everything was prophesied in the Bible, yet why didn’t we believe it but just think about it realistically?’ Only then did the disciples realize it.
Christ’s resurrection from the dead in three days was beyond human imagination and comprehension. Not only for the disciples but for everybody in those days it must have been hard to believe that Jesus, who had suffered so severely and died on the cross, was raised from the dead. However, Jesus’ resurrection was already prophesied in the Bible, and everything took place according to the prophecy, not according to common sense. Now let’s take a look at the Old Testament prophecy that shows Christ’s suffering and its meaning.
Isa 53:1-9 『. . . He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. . . . and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. . . . He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. . . . He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, . . .』
The prophet Isaiah wrote in detail about Jesus—the Christ who would appear 700 years later, including His physical appearance and everything that would happen to Him—He would be flogged, pierced with a spear, crucified with the wicked and buried in a rich man’s tomb. His prophecy was fulfilled exactly by Jesus after 700 years. Jesus’ life, from His birth to His death and resurrection, fully matched all the prophecies spoken through many prophets of the Old Testament.
Who on earth can foretell things that will happen in the future and fulfill them precisely? All of this is possible because God Almighty Himself plans it and carries it out. Everything is to be fulfilled as prophesied in the Bible.
The glory for those who respect the prophecies
We need to seriously think about what kind of attitude we should have towards the prophecies of God. In ancient Israel, when the kingdom of Judah was destroyed by Babylon, there was the prophet Jeremiah who prophesied that Judah and the surrounding nations would serve the king of Babylon for 70 years, and there also was a false prophet Hananiah who distorted God’s word with his own thoughts. Many people who followed the false prophet were all destroyed, but a small number of people who believed the prophecy of God and overcame hardships were finally able to return to their country in glory, being freed from the Babylonian captivity after 70 years.
God also foretold that the truth would be trampled on by Satan for a time, times and half a time, and according to the prophecy there was a period when the truth was trampled. He also prophesied that the truth would be restored and the saints would possess the kingdom and power again. According to this prophecy, the people of Zion are now keeping the commandments of God and their faith.
Thus, God fulfills everything that He prophesied. Now we have to look into the prophecies of the Bible and live a life of faith with a firm belief that everything will be fulfilled according to the prophecies.
Da 12:1-3 『. . . But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.』
It is prophesied that those who lead many people to righteousness will shine like the stars for ever and ever, and that there will also be those who will suffer shame and everlasting contempt. This is the prophecy which God has given us today to grant us the glorious and eternal blessings of heaven.
This prophecy will also surely be fulfilled, just as other prophecies of the Bible have been fulfilled exactly until now; not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, has disappeared from the Bible until everything is accomplished. In the process of leading many people to righteousness through preaching, there may be hardship or persecution. However, we must not forget that it will lead us to the eternal kingdom of heaven in the end.
Mt 24:12-14 『”Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”』
Mk 16:14-16 『Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen. He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.』
The gospel of the new covenant is the mighty word of God; those who believe and obey the gospel will be saved, but those who do not obey it will be punished. Jesus Himself has taught us that this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations. So, the gospel is preordained to be preached to the whole world in the end, no matter what hindrance may appear. This is God’s prophecy.
Then, what kind of life should we live to receive God’s blessings? When we believe and obey the words of prophecy and testify to Christ, God’s blessings are guaranteed to us. We are the prophesied people who have been entrusted with the mission to go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Spiritually, we are given the most valuable task of completing God’s work of salvation (1 Pe 1:12).
Let us become the protagonists of the last prophecy
Jesus has taught us that every prophecy of the Bible is to be fulfilled without fail. Keeping the teaching of Jesus in mind, we should joyfully carry out the work of leading many people to righteousness, so that we can share in God’s glory and shine like the stars for ever and ever, according to the prophecy for us in this age.
Lk 24:44-47 『He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” . . . and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.』
As Jesus prophesied, “Repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem,” all people around the world are now streaming to Korea—the land of prophecy in the east where Heavenly Mother dwells—to receive the forgiveness of sins and the blessing of life from Heavenly Mother, the new Jerusalem. What do you think is the reason why all these things are now occurring before our very eyes? It is God’s mighty work of prophecy, and who can hinder it?
In this prophetic age, God has called us to be the protagonists of the prophecy and said, “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you” (Mt 28:18-20). We have now come to Zion, the city of truth, where there is the new covenant which Jesus declared and the apostles preached. Since Elohim are with us here in Zion, the light of the gospel will spread quickly to Samaria and to the ends of the earth (Heb 12:22-24; Isa 33:20-24).
Those who live in accordance with the prophecies will surely enter into the glory of God. Believing in every prophecy of the Bible firmly, let us live according to the prophecy. God has appointed us as the protagonists of the prophecy. Without despising this glorious blessing, let us shine the light of the glory of Elohim brightly all over the world.
By: Bell on January 21, 2011
at 11:08 pm
Hi Walter
I’m so encouraged to read your last posts. I pray God will continue to help you and bless you as you recover.
I’d be honored to hear more about your experience, what finally prompted you to leave, and advice you might have for people like me who have family in the WMSCOG. You can reach me through my blog:
encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com
Thank you so much for all that you’ve shared so far on this website!
genny
By: genny on January 22, 2011
at 1:23 pm
Actually, it is me that owes you a huge thank you because your blog has really helped me. That is where I read about the Luke 21:29 verse that i mis quoted above. Also Pierce made a really good point that I don’t think anyone in the truth can argue. If Ahnsahnghong was really raised Buddhist, then doesn’t that make him a sinner? Even if his parents were non-believers (as in the order of Melchizedek) then there was no way he kept the sabbath, right? We know Jesus was never guilty of sin. So why wouldn’t the second coming be innocent. He is god after all….. But then again, god can do whatever he wants.
The problem for me was, you cannot leave that church until you decide for yourself that you want to. Since day one, they tell you everything that people will say to you. So when it happens… you are prepared. They have had 50 years to perfect their story and have heard pretty much every criticism there is. In my opinion the best thing to do is have someone talk to your family member who they can still trust. Someone who has never told them they are wrong before and will listen to them go on their long rants like Bell does. Let them get it all out of their system and then just ask them plainly… what about X? It might work, it might not. Everyone is different. The major weakness of the COG is that if Mother Jerusalem is god then she knows everything. Everything should be answerable. However, the church leaders claim that everything IS answerable. Unfortunately, as a member you are programed to just accept this and not to ever really think about it. They always encouraged question asking from me, and I often took them up on their offers. The problem can be how you act with a answer that doesn’t totally make sense. A great example of this happened to me when we had a sermon that covered the death of Jesus one Tuesday night. I don’t remember what book or chapter it was in but the page number in my bible always kinda haunted me. It was page 1000, and it talked about Jesus (it only says Christ though who they believe is interchangeable with Jesus and Ahnsohnghong) entering the most holy place once and for all. Now, the church does not believe that Jesus entered the most holy place when he died. They believe he entered the holy place. (This is all from a big study of the Sanctuary). But this sermon, without a doubt showed Jesus entering the Most Holy place, which is in total contradiction to what I had learned in that major Sanctuary study.. I asked the missionary about this and he just kinda shook his head and nodded and couldn’t figure out what it was that I didn’t understand. So I just chalked it up to “I don’t get it, but I’m sure its ok”.
I’m really sorry that you have family in the church. Every person I met at that church became a very good friend to me at that time. They are used to the persecution and just rely on their “spiritual family” to get them through the tough times. They don’t trust or listen to anyone but their own. This makes the member even more dependent on the group. Unfortunately, like I said, I believe it is up to them whether or not they want to recognize the flaws in the church. It will be hard for anyone but themselves to persuade them otherwise.
Another really big point that always confused me when I went was we were told to only preach to wealthy(er) looking people. Do not preach to gay people, crippled people, people with any sort of handicap, or poor people (which is quite ironic) because god made them that way for a reason. We needed to bear “good fruit” to glorify our father and mother. But in the bible, it was the rich man who went to hell and Lazarus who didn’t. What’s up with that?
By: Walter on January 26, 2011
at 3:48 am
I totally agree with you Walter. It is unfortunately up to the person to stay or to leave and I think I said this to gene before (hi gene). It’s very hard to make the decision, but it can’t be forced upon any family member. The more you push and try to show them they are wrong, the further away you’ll get them from you and the more they will rely on the church and their so called “spiritual family”. The best thing to do is pray that they will get to that conclusion on their own sooner than later.
It’s funny to read about the entrance to the most holy place as one of the questions you asked because although I never asked it was this same bible passage, church study, and book chapter that helped me make the decision to leave. I will never go back and want nothing to do with that or any church for that matter. So my question for you is, do you believe in anything? Anyone? What does your faith looks like and how are you handling the internal confusion~if any~?
By: Lili on January 28, 2011
at 4:46 am
Hi Lili, Glad to know that I’m not the only one. As far as what I believe now, I believe in god. I believe that Jesus was god and I believe the bible is true. I believe that nobody except for the “root of David” can decode the bible and I take Jesus at his word when he says many will come and impersonate him. I’ve learned that people will take advantage of you if you let them and all I can do is have faith and trust that if I do my best to stay faithful to Christ hopefully I can be saved in the end. Whenever it may be.
I am confused about one thing. This still bothers me. John 6:53. The verse I cant understand. The members of the COG swear they are the only church who keeps the passover. This however is not true, there are several. But, I don’t currently go to church or belong to any church and I’m not sure if i would ever feel comfortable going to a church that keeps the Passover. I know that most people believe that he is speaking figuratively and not literally, but I’m not sure I want to risk that. I mean, I know I cant save myself with the law come my death and I can only rely on God, but he does say very clearly while eating the passover, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”
I will probably be eating some bread and drinking a sip of wine and praying a lot on that day. Probably in my home and not at any church though.
By: Walter on January 28, 2011
at 6:50 am
Hi Walter,
I feel the same as you do when it comes to Passover. It’s clear to me that Jesus is not speaking figuratively about “the word of God’ being his body. I do think we need his body/blood at passover night to remain in him. So I’m not sure what I will do this coming passover :S.
You said there are many churches that keep passover, but I have yet to find one “/. Could you please point me in the right direction as far as finding one of these churches online? I just want to read on them a little because like I said before I have no intentions of becoming part of any church… to me they have all failed to do what God asked of them “feed His sheeps.” They are all misleading… they deviate from God’s words/commands!
I also believe in Sabbath as being the appointed day of rest so that in itself limits the number of churches I’d go to, IF, I was to ever go back to a church~doubt it though.
Thanks so much for your answer and I hope and pray God gives us guidance and helps find the right way to do His will :)
By: Lili on February 7, 2011
at 10:06 am
We believe in God, looking forward to eternal life in heaven. However, we cannot acquire eternal life without laboring for it; the crown of eternal life cannot be given to us without effort. With the earnest resolution to remain faithful to God until the end, we should keep the faith, that we can receive the crown of life.
Many people in the world have a form of godliness but deny its power. They hold to a form of religion, but actually they have no faith and fall easily. When the rain comes down and the streams rise and the winds blow-when trials come, they fall easily like a house built on sand.
However, those who build their faith firmly on the rock, always resolve to ‘remain faithful to God until the end.’ Though the winds of trials blow against them, their faith does not waver because they depend only on God. The more they are troubled and afflicted, the stronger their faith will become; they will receive the crown of life and their names will shine forever.
The order given to the armies of heaven
Through revelation God tells us what His will is-what He earnestly wants from us living in these last days.
Rev 2:10 “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. … Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
The above words are spoken by the archangel Michael, who drove the devil our enemy out of heaven; He encourages us to fight the battle against the devil and win the victory over him in this earth, so that we may reach our heavenly home. This is a command given by the archangel Michael, commander of the heavenly host, to the armies of heaven.
If a commander of an army gives an order to attack, his soldiers have to attack; and if he orders to retreat, they have to retreat in perfect order. We are soldiers of Jesus, the archangel Michael, Commander-in-chief of myriads of angels.
On the night before Jesus was crucified, Peter saw that people were intending to take Him by force and he became angry and cut off the ear of one of them, in an effort to defend Him. Jesus immediately stopped him and said to him, “Do you think I cannot call on more than twelve legions of angels to come?” (Mt 26:53).
A legion was the largest unit of the Roman army; it consisted of one thousand men at least. So twelve legions would be more than 12,000. The above verse shows that once Jesus orders, such great armies of heavenly angels come and defend Him.
In the Old Testament times, Elisha saw the armies of angels surround him. When the army of the king of Aram surrounded the city of Dothan, where Elisha was staying, his servant Gehazi was terrified and reported what he had seen. Then Elisha said to him, “Don’t be afraid. Those who are with us are more than those who are with them” (2 Ki 6:16), and he prayed to God, “O LORD, open his eyes so he may see.”
After Elisha prayed, the eyes of Gehazi were opened and he saw the armies of heaven protecting them. The great armies of heaven are constantly following Jesus, ready to carry out His decrees. Jesus, the great Archangel Michael, now gives us the order to “be faithful, even to the point of death.”
God wants us to be His wise and faithful servants
What is the way to be faithful, even to the point of death? Let’s find out what kind of faithfulness God wants from us.
Mt 25:14-30 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. … After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ … Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘… So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. …’ His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant!…'”
God commended the man, who had received the five talents and brought the other five, and the man who had received two talents and gained two more, saying, “Well done, good and faithful servant!” However, the man who had the one talent was rebuked by God, ‘You wicked, lazy servant!’ because he did nothing with what he had but buried it. God made a distinction between the faithful servant and the wicked servant.
The man with the one talent brought nothing back with it; when God settled spiritual accounts with him, he was deprived of the talent he was given and cast into exterior darkness. We must not be like the wicked servant, who hid the talent he had received and was unfortunately deprived of it.
Those who are faithful even unto death are those who participate in the gospel like the man who received the five talents. All who preach the gospel, both directly and indirectly, are participating in the work of bearing fruit; they support the gospel in various ways. As faithful children of God, they always pray and work diligently to bear fruit that pleases God. This is commendable in the sight of God, who will allow them to bear more fruit.
Mt 24:45-51 “So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces … ”
When God finds His children giving His word to people with great enthusiasm at His coming, He will put them in charge of all His possessions and comfort them in all their troubles; each of them will receive his praise and reward from God.
How about a wicked servant then? He neglects what his master has entrusted to him, indulging in worldly pleasures such as eating and drinking; he despises God’s word and prophecy. He does not accept encouraging words from his brothers and sisters who want to help him preach the gospel. Rather, he scoffs at them, not deserving to be forgiven. Indulging in the temporary pleasures of this life, he cannot realize the value of the gospel and does not care about his soul that will be tormented in the fiery lake of burning sulfur forever.
God gives us this parable of warning because He does not really want us to be like that wicked servant. He earnestly encourages us to be wise and faithful servants who will be commended when He comes: “My children, wise and faithful! You are worthy to be the heavenly royal priests.”
Seek wisdom to bear much fruit
The goal of our preaching is to save souls by proclaiming the word of life. It is not done only by delivering a message from God. When we spread the aroma of Christ, even before we deliver a message, some recognize us as the ones sent from God and follow us. We are all looking forward to heaven. Now we need to seek wisdom to bear much fruit, so that we may quickly go back to the kingdom of heaven by finding all of our lost brothers and sisters.
Pr 9:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.”
Here are two practical ways to be a wise and faithful servant: One is preaching the gospel diligently to bear much fruit, and the other is fearing God and worshiping Him correctly. The former is the way to be faithful, and the latter is the way to be wise. Wisdom is a precious gift from God, not a human product.
It was not just after Solomon became king that he got wisdom. His wisdom was an ability he received from God after offering a thousand burnt offerings unto Him. He asked God for wisdom to lead His people rightly, not for his own blessings-health, power and long life. God was pleased with Solomon’s request, and He gave him riches and honor as well as wisdom. Thus Solomon, known as the wisest man who ever lived, gained all his wisdom from God.
1 Ki 3:3-14 … and Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar. At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon during the night in a dream, and God said, “Ask for whatever you want me to give you.” Solomon answered, ” … So give your servant a discerning heart to govern your people and to distinguish between right and wrong. … ” The Lord was pleased that Solomon had asked for this. So God said to him, ” …I will do what you have asked. I will give you a wise and discerning heart, so that there will never have been anyone like you, nor will there ever be. … ”
As stated above, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. ‘What is the way to remain faithful to God, the Church and the gospel?’ If we earnestly pray to God for this, He will give us the wisdom we need.
Rev 3:15-16 “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are luke-warm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”
He who is lukewarm has no enthusiasm in his faith and deeds. If he shows no eagerness to bear fruit, he is in a danger of losing his soul. All children of Zion must seek God’s wisdom to bear fruit with great enthusiasm.
Especially leaders including pastors, elders and deacons (deacon-esses) need to have more enthusiasm for the gospel and bear much fruit. They are to take care of brothers and sisters; and they are also required to bear their own fruit. It may make them depressed to bear no fruit even though they continue caring for brothers and sisters. They may become complacent and neglect to bear fruit if they only look after brothers and sisters who have already come into Zion. When all leaders in the church set a good example of bearing fruit, God will be pleased and pour out His abundant blessing upon them all.
The man with five talents gained five more. If he had just kept the talent, he would not have gained nothing. He knew his master’s will and worked hard to please him, so that he could gain profit. Because he had such a burning passion to please his master, he was called a “wise and faithful servant” and got a great blessing and reward.
Both the faithful servant and the wicked one were God’s called workers for the gospel. But each of them had a different attitude of thinking with a different way of working; the faithful servant worked so devotedly and fervently, but the wicked one idled away his days in laziness and finally suffered a miserable end.
It’s almost time for our Master’s return. Let’s devote ourselves more intensely to the gospel in accordance with God’s pleasure and will. God’s pleasure is our own pleasure, isn’t it? Is there anyone who is somewhat depressed? Once again, let’s burn the fire of the gospel in our hearts.
Let’s set a good example for others by burning ourselves first, not waiting for them to take the lead in preaching. If we are kindled by God’s fire, all around us will be kindled, too. Let the flame of our passion for the gospel blaze in all the Churches of God throughout the world, and remain faithful to God until the end, bearing much fruit.
Let us not lose our fervor. Nothing can be accomplished without enthusiasm. Let us not complain about unfavorable external conditions. “We have a small number of members,” or “We have only a few evangelists,” or “We have a regional problem.” These conditions cannot obstruct the gospel at all.
If one’s heart is burning with fire, the heat burns into another and nearby churches and all the churches. The problem is a negative thought-“That’s impossible.” This negative thinking cools not only our enthusiasm, but also others’ eagerness.
The Apostle John saw in a vision the 144,000 standing on Mount Zion. God prophesied this and showed the vision of its fulfillment. It can never fail. God has promised that He will make us the head, not the tail. So let’s have pride and confidence in God. The negative thoughts of one person make many wicked servants. Zion is a place for training good and faithful servants.
All of us are to participate in the gospel of the heavenly kingdom in any and all ways. As priests of the gospel, we should be faithful even unto death, doing our part with burning enthusiasm. Let’s glorify God by bearing much good fruit as His true, wise and faithful sons and daughters.
By: Bell on January 22, 2011
at 1:52 pm
Ahn Sahng Hong is GOD!
By: David on January 24, 2011
at 2:07 pm
YHWH is GOD, the One God who is manifested as 3 – Father Son & Holy Spirit.. 3 individuals yet One God. How is this possible? I don’t know.. maybe cause He’s God and He simply is.. after all, I think the statement “I AM that I AM” should be enough to prove God can have a Son without some heavenly mother Jerusalem. God is complete and whole in Himself, thus there is no need for male/female in God.
Nowhere in scripture does it say the heavenly mother “which is above” is the “holy spirit”. There are verses of a heavenly mother, but that could easily be a metaphor to God in heaven’s abounding love and nurturing comfort as a mother has to her child – it has nothing to do with an actual form or aspect of God as a female incarnation nor is there and reference to the Holy Spirit being a heavenly mother in the scriptures. Twist it all you want – it’s still twisted.
By: Pierce on January 24, 2011
at 4:14 pm
A Stumbling Block to Jews and Foolishness to Gentiles
At the time of the early Church, there was a stumbling block to Jews. Every day they gathered together to plot how to stop the crowd of people who were doing what was a stumbling block to them, how to slander and hinder them from attracting people’s attention.
What was the stumbling block to the Jews—the thing that they hated the most? It was the preaching of Jesus Christ. God is light, so darkness hates the light (Jn 1:1-14). It is because darkness retreats even when a tiny bit of light shines. What Satan hates the most is revealing God, our Savior in each age: Jehovah in the age of the Father, Jesus Christ in the age of the Son, and the Spirit and the Bride—our Heavenly Father and Jerusalem our Heavenly Mother—in the age of the Holy Spirit.
The preaching of Christ is a stumbling block and foolishness to people in the world, but it is most pleasing to God. We, who are children of light, should shine the light of the glory of Jerusalem on the whole world, so that we can defeat darkness and lead all people into life.
The world does not know God through its wisdom
The preaching of God who has come in the fl esh is a stumbling block to Jews who claim to believe in God, and foolishness to Gentiles who do not know God. However, God’s point of view is completely different. The Bible says that God is pleased through the foolishness of what is preached to save those who believe.
1 Co 1:21-24 『For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.』
When Christ came to this earth as the Savior in the age of the Son, people in those days did not have the wisdom to recognize Him. To the Jews, Jesus was a stone that caused them to stumble, and all the disciples who preached Jesus were also an annoyance to them. The name of God whom they believed in was Jehovah, so when God came to this earth in the flesh in the name of Jesus, they had a strong antipathy towards Jesus, saying, ‘How can you, a mere man, claim to be God?” Jesus was a man just like one of them in their eyes, but the disciples preached that He was God, and it seemed so foolish even to Gentiles who did not believe.
However, as more and more people paid attention to the teachings of Jesus, who was completely different from the Jewish high priests who were authoritative and hypocritical, they came to feel the voice of God. The Jews, who felt a sense of crisis, plotted how to remove Jesus and His followers, how to make people have a bad impression about them. So, they produced false witnesses and spread false rumors to oppose Christ, and slandered the saints of the early Church, calling them the “followers of the Nazarene sect” (Mt 26:59-61; 28:11-15; Ac 24:1-5).
Jn 10:30-33 『”I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”』
The Jews picked up stones to stone God just because He referred to Himself as God. How deplorable and lamentable it is! God can come to this earth in the flesh anytime. The Bible clearly shows that God appeared as a man in the days of Abraham (Genesis 18), and it was also prophesied in many places of the Bible that God would be born in the flesh.
However, to those who neglected the prophecies, Christ appeared to be a mere man, the son of a humble carpenter. He seemed to have no power and did not live a rich and dignified life, but instead He kept company with the poor and lowly people, the so-called sinners, taking pity on them. This prevented them from recognizing Jesus as God. Finally, they went to Pilate, the governor, and strongly asked him to have Jesus crucified. Pilate was afraid of an uproar, and said in front of the crowd, “I am innocent of this man’s blood. It is your responsibility.” Then all the people answered, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!” They were so confident in opposing Jesus. But where are they now?
Preaching the gospel of Christ is a stumbling block to Christians and foolishness to people of the world, but we are doing this great work in this age. As the Jewish people in those days did not have the knowledge of God, so do people today. We are preaching Christ like the disciples who received Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, and the so-called Christians today are slandering the truth just like the Jews who rejected Jesus 2,000 years ago. If we preach the gospel, each individual soul realizes the truth correctly and comes to know God the Father and God the Mother. That is why Satan hates it so much. However, God has prepared the kingdom of heaven which is beautiful and glorious beyond all human imagination, for the heavenly children who make every effort to display the glory of God, their Savior.
1 Co 2:8-10 『None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him”—but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.』
Spiritual things are spiritually discerned
The preaching of God who came in the flesh was a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles. It was because they looked at Him from a physical point of view. From a spiritual point of view, it is really great and amazing. Since we are doing this great task, our God is preparing us for the glorious times we will enjoy in the eternal kingdom of heaven.
God has promised to let us eat and drink at His table in the kingdom of heaven and put each of us into a position which even angels envy. When we go back to heaven by keeping our faith firm and working hard to save souls, God will then give us everything we want. This work we are doing is never in vain (1 Co 15:58). So, thinking about the glory of heaven which Father and Mother will bestow on us, let us put value in the heavenly things and live in hope.
1 Co 2:13-14 『This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.』
Since the Jews looked at spiritual things from a low, physical point of view, they were never able to see the divine nature of God. So, when Jesus testified about Himself 2,000 years ago, even His relatives attempted to restrain Him, saying He was out of His mind. Jesus had brothers and sisters, and the whole town knew that He was born by His mother Mary. So, when Jesus referred to Himself as God who came down from heaven, they could not understand it. However, the Bible clearly prophesied that God the Almighty would be born as a baby through the body of a virgin (Isa 7:14; 9:6).
As we can confirm the existence of microorganisms when we look through a microscope, so we can understand spiritual things when we discern spiritually. Since people look at spiritual things with their physical eyes, they do not believe in God the Mother no matter how many times we show them the Biblical verses that testify to Mother. They make their own thoughts higher than God’s words. Still, they claim to believe in God. So the Bible says that they claim to know God but by their actions they deny Him (Tit 1:16). Since it is written like that in the Bible, it is not worth rediscussing.
Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot understand why Father and Mother have come to this earth in the flesh, and why we put our whole heart into preaching the gospel to Samaria and to the ends of the earth. They value physical things, but we pursue the incomparable value of the heavenly kingdom. Jesus says that the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. If one finds the treasure, he will not foolishly just pass it by. We should make every effort to obtain it.
In ancient times, Galileo Galilei was brought to the Inquisition, being accused of spreading heretical theories. Standing before the Inquisition, he said that the earth moves, and the judges forced him to recant his beliefs, saying he was crazy. Now the Vatican has acknowledged its mistake in condemning Galileo. It is because the heliocentric theory has been proven true, thanks to scientific advances. In those days, however, no one could prove it.
Heavenly Mother viewed through the Bible
As for the invisible world, we can judge whether or not it exists through a microscope or any other equipment. It is the same for the invisible world; we can see and discern the spiritual world through the Bible. Not through the Bible which is a microscope given by God, how can we find Father and confirm the existence of Mother? Without the prophecies of the Bible, how can we interpret this present time? We have to understand God the Father and God the Mother through the Bible, and we should also find the will of God in the Bible. It is the Bible that proves all things.
As the Bible tells us that spiritual things are spiritually discerned, let us confirm the value of the Bible further. People in the world put so much value on earthly things, but we find the greatest value in heavenly things. That is why their thoughts are different than ours. So, Jesus always reminded us of the value of the heavenly kingdom, and the forefathers of faith also asked us to set our hearts on things in heaven.
2 Pe 1:19-21 『And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.』
Whatever God says can never fail; it will surely come to pass (Isa 14:24-27; 46:11; 45:23). The words of the Bible are not stories men have made up, but they are the words of God, which are still being fulfilled according to God’s purpose and plan for our salvation.
Even though people in the world do not acknowledge us, we don’t need to be influenced by that. Our salvation depends on God. No matter how much people try to slander and hinder us, our God continues to carry out the work of redemption.
The Bible says that the Spirit and the Bride, Heavenly Father and Mother, will appear in the last days and call all people to receive the water of life, and that Jerusalem will be called The Throne of the LORD and all nations will gather in Jerusalem at that time (Rev 22:17; Jer 3:17). This is a prophecy about God the Mother that men spoke from God and wrote as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Gal 4:26-31 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: “Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
“The Jerusalem that is above (in heaven) is free, and she is our mother.”
Apostle Paul also received these words from God and wrote them as he was moved by the Holy Spirit. The Bible shows that we are children of Jerusalem Mother, the free woman, and that we, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the one born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit. It is the same now. People are continuously persecuting God’s people, who are preaching Christ, because it is a stumbling block and foolishness to them.
Can a man hide the sky with his hands? Nevertheless, they try to stop the gospel of God from being preached to the whole world. However, no matter what they do, the great plan of salvation set by our Father and Mother who manage the universe is carried out as prearranged. At the time of the early Church, God added to the Church of God daily those who were being saved, even in persecution and hindrance from people (Ac 2:47).
A pleasing thing to God
God says that not everyone who says to Him, “Lord, Lord!” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of the Heavenly Father (Mt 7:21). God our Father said, “Peter followed Jesus, Joshua followed Moses, Elisha followed Elijah, and I follow Mother.” We should understand why Father said that, and according to the will of Father we have to believe in God our Mother correctly, so we can all attain eternal salvation in the kingdom of
heaven.
Our faith comes from God. The Bible says that men moved by the Holy Spirit received prophecies from God and wrote them. All the Bibles in the original language or any other languages describe that “the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.” If our Heavenly Mother did not exist, how would these words be written in the Bible? How would the Bride, who gives the water of life together with the Spirit who is God our Father, be
described in the Bible?
Testifying to the Savior who has come in the flesh—this is a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles. However, God says that there are people who are longing and waiting for the good news throughout the world in the last days—at the end of the gospel age, and that once they hear the news, they will all fly along to Jerusalem our Heavenly Mother like clouds, like doves to their nests.
The preaching of Christ is a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but it is a beautiful and pleasing thing to God. So God encourages His children who testify to Christ, saying, “You who bring good tidings to Jerusalem, lift up your voice with a shout, lift it up,” and, “How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news” (Isa 40:9; 52:7).
God’s sheep listen to His voice and follow Him (Jn 10:27). When we absolutely trust and follow all the teachings in the 66 books of the Bible, the voice of God, we will attain the eternal kingdom of heaven. Believing this firmly and putting it into practice, let us quickly proclaim the glory of Heavenly Father and Mother throughout the whole world, as “children of light” and “children of promise.”
By: Bell on January 24, 2011
at 5:45 pm
Solomon’s Judgment and Mother
The Bible testifies about God; it testifies of Elohim [Gods]―God the Father and God the Mother. The 66 books of the Bible consistently speak not only the truth about God the Father but also the truth about God the Mother, through the relationship between Adam and Eve, the history of Abraham’s Family, the prophecy of the New Jerusalem, and so on.
To know Christ as the Father and Mother is the greatest mystery of the Bible. The god of this world [the devil] has blinded people’s minds, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ (2 Co 4:4).
Only those who are redeemed through the blood of Christ can receive wisdom and understanding from God and realize the mystery of God.
Solomon’s wise judgment
Solomon is known as the wisest man in the world. He was the son of King David and the third king of Israel. He was famous for his wisdom; people from all nations came to hear his wisdom.
The Bible records that Solomon was given wisdom by God. He offered a thousand burnt offerings and prayed earnestly, and God appeared to him in a dream. Then he asked God for wisdom and understanding to discern justice. There continuously arose many disputes among his people; so he asked for wisdom to become a fair judge as their king, that he might discern right and wrong and none of them would suffer the injustice of being subject to a bad judgment.
God granted him not only the wisdom, but also the riches and honor which he did not ask for. King Solomon surpassed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom. God’s wisdom was reflected in Solomon’s decision. Among all his judicial decisions, the Bible precisely records only one case in which he discovered who the true mother was.
1 Ki 3:16-28 『. . . One of them said, “My lord, this woman and I live in the same house . . . The third day after my child was born, this woman also had a baby. We were alone; there was no one in the house but the two of us. During the night this woman’s son died because she lay on him . . . So she got up in the middle of the night and took my son from my side while I your servant was asleep. She put him by her breast and put her dead son by my breast. The next morning, I got up to nurse my son―and he was dead! But when I looked at him closely in the morning light, I saw that it wasn’t the son I had borne.” The other woman said, “No! The living one is my son; the dead one is yours.” But the first one insisted, “No! The dead one is yours; the living one is mine.” And so they argued before the king. The king said, “. . . Bring me a sword.” So they brought a sword for the king. He then gave an order: “Cut the living child in two and give half to one and half to the other.” The woman whose son was alive was filled with compassion for her son and said to the king, “Please, my lord, give her the living baby! Don’t kill him!” But the other said, “Neither I nor you shall have him. Cut him in two!” Then the king gave his ruling: “Give the living baby to the first woman. Do not kill him; she is his mother.” When all Israel heard the verdict the king had given, they held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.』
There was no witness, and the two women in dispute over one living baby appealed to Solomon for justice, each claiming to be the birth mother of the living child. Solomon discovered the true mother of the baby by her love for her child, and returned the living son to her.
In Solomon’s judgment, we find out that his God-given wisdom enabled him to discern the true mother. The Bible testifies of God, and everything that was written in the past was written to teach us (Jn 5:39; Ro 15:4). The story of Solomon’s judgment between the two mothers was not written to admire his wisdom, but to testify of God and teach us something spiritual.
God’s wisdom manifested in Solomon’s judgment
God gave wisdom to Solomon, that he could recognize who the true mother was and gave the real mother back her child. Likewise, God in His wisdom has made known to us the heavenly Mother. We have received our heavenly Mother; like Solomon, we should help the poor souls wandering aimlessly around the world and let them know who the true Mother is.
Gal 4:26-31 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: “Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible clearly tells us that there is our spiritual Mother above (in heaven). We were angels in heaven, but our sins separated us from our Mother and caused us to be cast down to the earth. Because of the sins we had committed in heaven, we lost our memory and couldn’t remember our Mother.
Our sins caused our Mother to come from heaven to this earth (Isa 50:1). The Apostle John saw in a vision the new Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb, coming down out of heaven. “More are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” This prophecy implies that our Mother raises Her children alone here on earth after our Father went up to heaven but She has even more children than any woman who has a husband.
The evil one teaches that Mother does not exist
The Bible clearly reveals the existence of the spiritual Mother. However, our wicked enemy the devil has been deceiving all people for thousands of years into believing that Mother does not exist. He teaches lies and people foolishly believe them. In Revelation, we can see that the devil deceives all people living on the earth.
Rev 13:6-15 『He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them . . . Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth . . .』
The devil is the deceiver of deceivers. When he tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden, he wickedly perverted God’s word and deceived her into following his way. And now he is deceiving the inhabitants of the earth into believing that Mother does not exist.
It is clearly recorded in the Bible, “our Mother,” so that everybody can easily see. Nevertheless, most people deny the existence of Mother and reject Her. It is because they are spiritually deceived by Satan. Once they are tempted, although we show them clear and convincing evidence that Mother exists, they would not accept it.
1 Jn 5:18-19 『We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.』
We belong to God, but the whole world is under the rule of the evil one. The devil, the wicked one, makes up many lies and teaches them. One of them is that God the Mother does not exist. The whole world has been deceived by his false teaching.
Think of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Eating the fruit of the tree would result in death. However, when Adam and Eve looked at the fruit after being tempted by Satan, it looked good for food, pleasant to the eyes and also desirable to make one wise. Being deceived, they lost the ability to discern between good and evil.
Biblical testimonies to our heavenly Mother
We need to receive wisdom from God like Solomon, in order that we may discern our true Mother. Through the history of Creation in six days, we can clearly find our Father and our Mother as well, the Creators.
Ge 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
God created man in His own image, then male and female were created in the image of God. This proves that there is the female image of God as well as the male image of God. We call the male image of God “Father.” What should we call the female image of God?
When God created man, He said, “Let us make man.” It is Elohim [God the Father and God the Mother] who said, “Let us . . .” here.
The devil knows well that if our spiritual eyes are opened to recognize our Mother, his world will be destroyed soon. So what he fears the most is that the glory of our Mother is revealed. Eve was to be the serpent’s enemy as described in Genesis.
Ge 3:14-15 『So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”』
There is an enmity between the serpent and the woman, the devil and the Mother. God put enmity between them in order to reveal the heavenly Mother to us.
The ancient serpent, the devil, is basically the enemy of our Mother and also the enemy of ours. If those on Mother’s side become strong, those on Satan’s side naturally become weak. The serpent crushes our heel, but we shall crush his head and finally win the victory over him. While crushing the head is fatal, striking the heel will not cause death.
Under the Old Law, he who did not obey his father and mother was considered evil and put to death (Dt 21:18-21). God’s laws given in the Old Testament were only a shadow of the heavenly things. The law in Deuteronomy 21 shows that if one does not obey the spiritual Father and Mother, he will not enter into eternal life but go into destruction.
Unless we find our Mother, we become spiritually orphaned. Satan, who knows this, has deceived the world into believing that there is no Mother.
So the people cannot even imagine that God the Mother exists, calling God, “Father, Father.” However, we belong to God; our Father has made known to us our heavenly Mother and brought us into Her arms. We truly give thanks to our Father for this.
Divine providence revealed by the sun and moon and stars
God’s existence is evident to us through nature which He created. We can confirm the existence of our heavenly Mother through the sun, the moon and stars.
Ge 37:9-10 『Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”』
Joseph, the eleventh son of Jacob, had a dream in which the sun and moon and eleven stars bowed down to him. When he told the dream to his family, his father scolded him, saying, “Will I and your mother and brothers bow down to you?” Why did Jacob interpret the sun, moon and the stars as symbolical of his household?
This is not just a dream. Through Joseph’s dream and its interpretation, God has made known to us our heavenly family relationship: our Father represented by the sun, our Mother by the moon, and we the children by the stars. When the Apostle Paul wrote to the churches in Corinth, he explained that the sun has its own glory, the moon another glory, and the stars a different glory.
1 Co 15:38-41 『But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.』
The above verses say that there are many stars, and that one star differs from another in glory; the sun or the moon is not mentioned to be many. As it is written in Da 12:3 that “those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars for ever and ever,” God’s children are compared to the stars. So the sun represents the Father, the moon the Mother, and the stars the children.
God’s invisible power and divine nature are reflected in all things (Ro 1:20). Nature created by God serves as a textbook that teaches us God’s providence. In the daytime, when the sun shines, the moon and stars do not appear. However, when the sun is sinking behind the western hills, then the moon appears, accompanied by the stars.
God said that He would give us, His children, honor and praise among all the peoples of the earth in the last days (Zep 3:18-20). For this, the Father’s ministry of the gospel must be completed and our Mother has to appear. So the Father accomplished His ministry of 37 years according to the prophecy of King David, and then the glory of the Mother along with ours began to appear. Without Mother, we cannot reach eternal salvation, nor can we share in the heavenly glory. To prevent people from realizing that, the devil blinds their eyes, stops their ears and hardens their hearts.
Let us be like Solomon
Jesus spoke the following phrase: “. . . as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings . . . .” At a hen’s clucking, not a rooster’s crow, chicks gather. Likewise, at Mother’s loving voice, the children of heaven, scattered throughout the world, return to Her.
Mother cries out, “Do no harm to My children,” enduring heartbreaking pain. Mother’s earnest cry will be a message of life that awakens the spirits of the children deceived by Satan.
We shall be joyful always, for our heavenly Mother is with us. With a firm faith in Mother’s existence, we the children of Zion shall stand up against the evil tricks of the devil who tries to blind our minds so that we cannot realize Mother. Let’s all be like Solomon and help our brothers and sisters, who are wandering around like orphans all over the world, to know our Mother and meet Her.
Col 3:1 『Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.』
God’s children must find the Jerusalem that is above, the heavenly Mother. The devil our wicked enemy slanders us and entices us with lies so that we will not know the existence of Mother. However, we belong to God, our Father and Mother.
Children of Zion! Let’s not forget the love and grace of our heavenly Father and Mother who have come to save us. We are obligated to preach the good news to the ends of the earth. Like Solomon, let us lead our brothers and sisters, scattered among all nations, into the loving arms of our heavenly Mother, who always cares about the lives of Her children. Let them hear our Mother’s earnest voice!
By: Bell on January 26, 2011
at 11:41 am
Bell you talk to much, no offense. I think you would be more efficient at getting your point across if you would stop coping and pasting the studies from the COGWMS website and just shared you own personal opinion/understanding of the studies. But of course you can’t do that because you would not know what to say. You have no thoughts of your own. You can’t any longer think for yourself.
Do not just blindly follow Bell but rather try to understand what it is you are following!
By: Lili on January 28, 2011
at 4:51 am
Walter,
Thanks for your most recent posts; I am glad you have noticed the false images and lies which the COG is full and guilty of. You have very valid points too, questioning some of the things that the COG may not even realize they are guilty of (and if they do, yet continue to stray, then they are clearly arrogant).
Concerning the passover, I’m sure you’ve seen me say this before, but that verse in John which you speak of is not meant to be taken in the literal sense, it’s a figurative statement speaking over the supernatural. Jesus didn’t die for our mortal bodies, we still will someday die if Jesus doesn’t snatch us while we’re living. What sense would it make to “Eat of the flesh and drink of the blood” to be saved in a physical sense?? No, clearly this is pertaining to the spiritual realm, where the symbols of the bread and the chalice are resembling the body which was broken and the blood which was poured out to wash away our sins, as the ultimate sacrifice in place of animal sacrifices used by the Jews at the time. No longer would another sacrifice have to be done, for the greatest sacrifice was made, by the Lamb of God who knew no sin.
Having said that, communion CAN be taken at home, but what is the point in that? It doesn’t save you, if you believe in Jesus and repent of your sins you’re already saved nonetheless, but it does exhort you as a believer, when you take it in a church with other believers in Christ, in a church community. It does proclaim the Lord’s Gospel of Death & Resurrection until He comes back again..
Sorry for the long post, was trying to find a way to put it in terms simple to understand.
By: Pierce on January 28, 2011
at 8:32 am
The Meaning of the Sacrifice of the Passover
As the Bible says that faith is being sure of what we hope for, the people of Zion believe firmly in the prophecy and earnestly hope for the kingdom of God, and they are preaching the glory of Mother throughout the whole world. As a result, many souls are now coming back to Zion.
If we are proud of our Father and Mother and display Their glory, They will greatly bless us and allow us to achieve wonderful results. Now, let’s take some time to think about the meaning of the sacrifice of the Passover and the flesh and blood of God given to us.
A mother saved her child with her own blood
There was a great earthquake in Russia, and a whole town was laid in ruins. At that time, a mother and her baby were buried alive under the rubble for several days. The mother lost consciousness when the building collapsed. At the cry of her baby, she barely recovered consciousness. Then she found out that the whole town had become a town of death and that she and her baby were buried under the ruins caused by the earthquake. She tried to breast-feed her crying baby, but the milk didn’t come out well because she hadn’t eaten or drunk anything, not even a sip of water, for several days. It was obvious that if they were not rescued, they would lose their lives.
The mother decided to do something extreme in order to keep her baby alive until a rescue squad arrived. She took a sharp stone, cut off part of her finger and let her baby drink the blood dripping from her finger.
After a while, a relief squad arrived to save the mother and her baby. Unfortunately, the mother had already died, but her baby who was sucking her finger was still alive and was safely rescued.
To save her baby, the mother tore her own flesh and let her child drink the blood flowing from it. It was an act of her extreme love to save her child.
Through this real story, we come to understand God’s love for us. Like the mother, God gave us, who were destined to die, His flesh to eat and His blood to drink in order to grant us the forgiveness of sins and lead us to eternal life and salvation. Whenever we eat the Passover bread representing Christ’s flesh and drink the Passover wine symbolizing His blood, we should not only rejoice in having eternal life but remember the holy love of our Father and Mother who saved our lives.
Passover, the love of God who gave His children His own flesh and blood
The child in the above story was drinking the blood dripping from his mother’s finger, which was cut off, to satisfy his hunger. He was completely unaware of the fact that it was the blood of his mother who sacrificed her own life to save him. If we were previously just like this child, we should now think of God’s love and sacrifice contained in the Passover.
Jn 6:53-57 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』
God has made a precious promise to mankind that whoever eats Jesus’ flesh and drinks His blood will have eternal life, while the person who does not eat His flesh or drink His blood has no life in him. To save us His children, who were sinners from heaven, God didn’t even hesitate to die for us on the cross. Through the sacrifice of God, we have received salvation and eternal life.
Just as the mother saved her child with the blood flowing from her finger at the critical moment, our Father and Mother gave Their flesh to eat and Their blood to drink in order to save us. They willingly gave us Themselves for Their children since it was the only way to save the sinners who were destined to die eternally.
Mt 26:17-19, 26-28 『”. . . The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ ” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover . . . While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body. Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.” This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”』
The Passover bread and wine are given to mankind as the symbols of Christ’s flesh and blood, having the promise of eternal life. It is God’s sacrifice and love that we can ultimately discover through the Passover.
We are happy that we have eternal life by keeping the covenant of God, but we feel so sorry towards Father and Mother because They have sacrificed Themselves to give us eternal life. It is not God’s will just to feel sorry or guilty. First, we should keep in mind how much our Father and Mother have suffered to save us and always give thanks to Them for Their grace. And we should willingly give ourselves to saving the whole world, just as our Father and Mother gave Themselves up for our salvation, so that we will enhance the value of the holy sacrifice of Father and Mother.
“Do this in remembrance of me”
The Passover is a feast that every member of the heavenly family must keep. The Apostle Paul emphasized that we should remember and celebrate the Passover and also proclaim it until Christ comes again.
1 Co 11:23-26 『For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.』
Christ wanted His children to remember the sacrifice of Father and Mother whenever they eat the Passover bread and drink the Passover wine; and before His ascension, He told them to proclaim His death by doing that until He comes. Through the Passover of the new covenant, we can discover God’s infinite love for us and His great sacrifice that He has made to save us for 6,000 years. So, Jesus said that the Passover was the new covenant (Lk 22:20), and the Bible states that through the new covenant we have become God’s heirs who will inherit the kingdom of God. Only those who understand the holy sacrifice and love of Father and Mother are worthy to be Their children and inherit the kingdom of heaven.
This beautiful story of the new covenant is ours alone, so not everyone can share it. There is no Passover in spiritual Babylon because the story of the Passover is not theirs. They abolished the Passover because it was a meaningless day for them. The Passover is the everlasting covenant established by God and a day to commemorate the sacrifice of the heavenly Father and Mother for Their children’s salvation. Nevertheless, they insist that there is no need to keep the Passover. This is proof that they do not belong to the heavenly family.
However, it is a very important day for us, the heavenly family members. So in Zion we keep the Passover holy in remembrance of the love and sacrifice of our Father and Mother.
As God has loved us
God is love. Everything done by God, every purpose and will of God, has come through His love. The Passover is a feast that God has established through His love to give us life.
So, Jesus said at the Passover, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” Just as the mother saved her child by shedding her own blood in the aforesaid true story, God saved us by tearing His flesh and shedding His blood. As God loved us, so we should love one another.
1 Jn 4:7-11 『Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him . . . Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.』
1 Jn 4:16-21 『And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him . . . If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.』
Love comes from God our Father and God our Mother. Everything done by God has come through His love. Since He loves us, He has been waiting for us to be purified like pure gold refined in a furnace and become worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven, sometimes using discipline to correct us, sometimes shedding tears for us, sometimes rejoicing, sometimes groaning, only caring for our future and worrying that we may give in to the temptations of the devil and lose the eternal kingdom of heaven.
Therefore, we also ought to love one another with the heart of God. If we do not love one another, it proves that we still understand only the literal meaning of the Passover, viewing it merely as a ceremony of eating bread and drinking wine. In this situation God would say to us, “I gave you My own flesh and blood, so that you have gained life. Then, why can’t you sacrifice for one another?”
Looking forward to the everlasting kingdom of heaven, we should faithfully follow the teachings of our Father and Mother. We should not grumble against each other or envy each other: If one achieves something, we need to share in his joy; if one faces difficulties, we need to encourage and comfort him. Without unity, the gospel work cannot be fulfilled. If we preach the gospel with the holy sacrifice and love that God has shown us, God’s glorious work will be quickly accomplished.
Faith that acknowledges Father and Mother and boasts about Them
How can we not boast about God who has shown us the example of the holy sacrifice? Why are we hesitating to proclaim our Father and Mother who are so wonderful? We shall tell all the people of the earth about the gracious sacrifice and love of our Father and Mother and invite them to participate in the blood of Their sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins and salvation.
We should proclaim more proudly our Father and Mother who have made us what we are today through Their love. We believe in Mother not just because the Bible testifies about Her, but because She is our heavenly Mother who gave us Her flesh to eat and Her blood to drink to save us from sin. That is why we long for Her love and sacrifice and follow Her wherever She goes, as Her children, isn’t it?
If we, God’s children, have understood the sacrifice of our Father and Mother, we shall boldly proclaim Their names throughout the world. We should preach Jerusalem Mother to all people around the world, so that they may repent of their sins and come back into the arms of Jerusalem Mother. This is most pleasing to our Father.
1 Jn 4:13-15 『. . . If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.』
About 2,000 years ago, God’s people proved their faith in Jesus by acknowledging Him. In this age, however, we are required to have faith in the Spirit and the Bride and proclaim Them to all the people with gladness. Our Father and Mother willingly sacrificed Their lives for our salvation. Their children, who have understood Their sacrificial love for them, are now proudly telling the whole world about the goodness of Their Parents.
What if one is ashamed of his parents and tries to conceal things about them? They will not blame or punish him for that, but will feel sad. On the contrary, if a child is proud of his parents, saying, “My dad and mom are number one,” how pleased will they be? Thinking about how our earthly parents feel, we can understand the heart of our heavenly Parents.
Now, God’s children are proudly proclaiming the heavenly Father and Mother, and so many people around the world are coming to Zion to meet Father and Mother according to the prophecies. When we see this unparalleled amazing work of salvation occur every day, we feel that our heavenly Father opens all the doors for preaching, being pleased with our efforts.
God is love, so He has established the Passover of the new covenant to save His children. Now we celebrate the Passover every year; whenever we partake of the bread and wine, we should remember that the bread is God’s flesh torn for us and the wine is His blood shed for us. Through the Passover, let us engrave again in our hearts the sacrifice of our Father and Mother and give thanks to Them for Their grace; let’s put the love of God into action and proclaim the glory of our Father and Mother.
We must not become the foolish ones who say, “Lord, Lord, open the door for us!” after the door is shut. I hope all our brothers and sisters in Zion will do their best to preach the new covenant and confidently proclaim Jerusalem Mother, who is the reality of the new covenant, so that we will live a life that is pleasing and glorifying to our Father and Mother. May God bless you all with much good fruit!
Jn 6:53-57 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』
By: Bell on January 28, 2011
at 10:54 am
you guys are retards. the bible is written in parables for those who dont know. everything that is in the bible that isnt said by the lord himself has a spiritual meaning behind it. church of god keeps the whole ten commandments so how is it a cult? i would say other churches are a cult cuz they truly arent keeping the laws of the lord.
By: paola on January 29, 2011
at 4:13 am
Faith With Knowledge and Faith With Deeds
There are so many churches in the world today, but most of them do not follow the gospel of the new covenant, which Jesus taught and put into practice as an example for us. Most so-called Christians insist that they can be saved if they just believe in Jesus. They claim to read the Bible, but actually they overlook Christ’s teaching described in the Bible that we must have faith with deeds. This is the reality of Christianity.
Even though they know the words of God, if they do not put them into practice, they cannot correctly understand God’s will contained in the commands and laws of God, nor can they participate in God’s work of salvation, either. Knowing can be referred to as theory, and doing as practice. Through the principles of this world as well, we can see that nothing can be accomplished unless theory and practice are harmonized.
It is the same with our faith. Knowing is important, but doing is more important. God teaches us that our faith should not only be based on knowledge but be accompanied by action. Now let’s confirm this will of God through the Bible.
Blessed are those who follow the way of the new covenant
Jas 2:14-26 『What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead . . . You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did . . . As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.』
Just knowing the words of God cannot lead us to salvation. God has said that we must keep the new covenant to receive eternal life. If we just know these words of God and do not put them into practice, can our mere knowledge save our souls? Faith alone cannot save us; it can save us completely only when accompanied by action.
It is “faith with deeds” that God wants us to have. The way of the new covenant brings blessings only to those who follow it.
Jas 1:22-25 『Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.』
When we practice the way of the new covenant—its regulations and teachings on prayer, preaching, love for brothers and sisters and so on, we can understand its meaning correctly. So, there is a big difference in faith between those who just hear the truth of the covenant and those who put it into practice.
Even though a man is well acquainted with tens of thousands of theories and able to find Bible verses very quickly, if he does not put the Word into practice, all the theories he has are of no use to his soul. If he knows what God has commanded and does not put it into practice, it might be better for him not to know it (Lk 12:47-48).
The righteous walk in the ways of God
We must not only hear the word of God, but we should put into practice whatever God says—even if it is something small. When we have this attitude of faith and obey God’s word joyfully, we are worthy of being called the people of God.
Hos 14:9 『Who is wise? He will realize these things. Who is discerning? He will understand them. The ways of the LORD are right; the righteous walk in them, but the rebellious stumble in them.』
Walking in the ways of God becomes a heavy burden for sinners, and they finally stumble in them. But the righteous, who have received the blessing of the forgiveness of sins, take pleasure in following the ways of God. As we continue to keep the Sabbath, we come to realize the blessings God gives us through the Sabbath, so we are able to keep it with joy. It is the same with preaching. Through preaching, we can taste an indescribable joy while watching each individual soul grow to be a child of God, and we become more willing to participate in preaching. Without preaching, we can never have such a joyful and rewarding experience.
All the laws of the new covenant God has commanded us to keep are not beyond human capabilities; everyone can put them into practice. What is important is whether or not we have the will to do so; we can be blessed or not, according to whether or not we have the will to put God’s word into practice. If we hesitate to practice the word of God, using our age, gender or circumstance as an excuse, we cannot understand the true will of God who has given us the way of the new covenant, nor can we realize its value. Meanwhile, we will waste our life pursuing empty and meaningless things.
If you want to eat fruit from a persimmon tree, you need to make a positive effort to prepare a long pole or a ladder for picking the persimmon. It will never fall down for you if you just wait under the tree.
In the whole process of walking the path of the gospel, no matter how difficult your situation is, if you have the will to do the will of God, the way will surely be opened. Pray and ask God. Prayer is the way to overcome all the hindrances of Satan and to be clothed with the power of the Holy Spirit to carry out the will of God (Mk 9:28-29). If you continually devote yourself to prayer, your faith gradually grows stronger, so you can overcome any hardship and receive much blessing in the end.
Go to all nations and preach the gospel of the kingdom to them
If we are true Christians, we should not only know the path of sacrifice God walked on this earth to save mankind but also follow the sacrificial path of God. Jesus Himself set us an example that we should do as He had done for us, and Elohim who have come as the Spirit and the Bride Themselves are also setting examples for us to follow.
Now we are living in the age of prophecy when we should save the whole world. As the prophetic protagonists, we know what prophecies are awaiting their fulfillment. Nevertheless, if we do not move or act according to God’s commands, how can the work of world evangelism be accomplished?
We, who are living in this age, have a certain mission from God.
Mt 28:18-20 『Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”』
This is also a command of God, which we must carry out. We must not just wait for the coming of God without having any will or plan or effort to put the will of God into practice. Instead, we should actively participate in the fulfillment of the prophecies, so that the day of salvation will come as soon as possible.
God does not command us to do what is impossible for us or beyond our ability. God has already prepared the way for the gospel to be preached to Samaria and to the ends of the earth, and then commanded us to “go.”
In the 1950s and 60s, Korea was one of the world’s poorest countries, but its economy grew fast enough to surprise the world, and Korea has now emerged as an economic power. It has occurred in accordance with God’s providence to accomplish world evangelism. God is opening all the doors for us to go to Samaria and to the ends of the earth to preach the gospel of the new covenant. Therefore, when God commands us to “go,” we just have to go, relying on God’s power. Then everything will go smoothly.
Mt 24:14 『”And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”』
2,000 years ago, Jesus prophesied that the gospel of the kingdom would be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations. Just as there is a season for farming, so there is a time for a prophecy to be fulfilled. Now is the time when the prophecies are being fulfilled. Let us not miss this opportunity, and take action without hesitation.
If we believe that everything Jesus said will surely be fulfilled and will bring us blessings, we should go forward with faith, without complaining about our circumstances. Look at the cases of the members who went abroad by depending on God’s power. God went ahead of them and made smooth the way for them, so that they could concentrate fully on preaching the gospel of the new covenant. As a result, the light of life has shone on the spiritually dark continents, spreading rapidly even into unknown lands, and the people living in the land of the shadow of death are now seeing the light and receiving God, who is the true light, with joy. If they had only heard God’s words, “Go into the whole world and preach the message of the gospel to all people,” and none of them had taken action, those gracious results would not have been brought forth.
Give the world warning from God
We know that all of us must participate in the gospel work of saving the world. From now on, let us put it into action instead of only knowing it. For this, we should continually devote ourselves to prayer, so that we can store up our spiritual power to fully carry out the will of God.
Eze 3:10-27 『And he said to me, “Son of man, listen carefully and take to heart all the words I speak to you. Go now to your countrymen in exile and speak to them. Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says,’ whether they listen or fail to listen.” . . . “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me . . . when I speak to you, I will open your mouth and you shall say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says.’ Whoever will listen let him listen, and whoever will refuse let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house.”』
We have been entrusted with the mission to give the world warning from God. We do not need to worry that people may not listen to the Word because of their rebellious hearts. In regard to salvation, there is nothing we can judge or conclude.
We should just preach the message of the gospel to all people, whether they listen or fail to listen. Among them there are surely God’s children. So if we continue to preach, they will listen to God’s word and return to God. Let me give you an example. When we preach the gospel, sometimes the person who is likely to hear God’s word refuses to listen, and instead the person who is least likely to listen gives ear to the Word and comes to God. And through that one person, many souls are led to God.
When God gave us the mission to preach the gospel, He did not mean that we should deliver the Word only to those who are willing to listen and also did not mean that we should judge people in advance, thinking, ‘Is this person a child of God? Or is that person a child of God?’ We just have to preach the Word to all people, entrusting the results to God. If we continue to do as God has told us, many souls will listen to the gospel, understand it and come to God, through which God will be glorified and we ourselves will also be blessed.
Eze 11:19-20 『”I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.”』
God has said that when the time of prophecy comes, He will give all His children an undivided heart, so that the gospel can be accelerated. Having an undivided heart means following God wherever He goes, that is, acting with the same mind as God.
Now is the time for the prophecy to be fulfilled. Since the Bible says that there is a time for everything and a season for every activity under heaven, we should all participate together in the work of world evangelism, before all the prophecies are fulfilled—before it is too late. With an undivided heart—with the same heart as that of God who desires to save the whole world, let us preach the gospel of the kingdom of heaven to all people, so that we can receive many rewards and blessings from God who repays us according to what we have done.
By: Bell on January 29, 2011
at 11:31 pm
Have you ever heard about Heavenly Mother?
She’s a Mother indeed, like no other.
She loves Her children so very much,
You have to know Her, your heart will be touched.
The Scriptures does not only say about Father,
But also tells that we have a Mother.
Spiritual Parents from the Kingdom above,
Our Elohim God full of mercy and love!
You have to learn about Heavenly Mother.
We’ll never enter Heaven if we don’t know Her.
The Spirit is our Father,and the Bride is our Mother,
They are the One to gives us life, forever.
She humbled Herself and came here on earth,
To seek and save us foolish sinners.
She preached all day, even in winter,
She’s like a flower that was about to wither..
Our sins are likes thorns that pierce Her heart,
And because of our stubborness, we have been torn apart.
Mother’s tears, I cannot explain,
Oh why did She have to resist all the pain? :(
Now you know the existence of Mother,
Believe and salvation will come your way.
I know not everyone will believe Her though,
In the end, I’ll tell them, “I told you so!”
By: Karina on February 2, 2011
at 8:51 am
Karina I used to be a COGWMS member read my story below yours. Mother is nothing but a false god, false prophet, everything about her is a lie. There is a blog that totally proves all the doctrines of that false church wrong.
By: xxxxx on February 2, 2011
at 12:19 pm
I decided to share a true story to everyone about a “church”. Hopefully I will not get a lawsuit from this lawsuit happy organization I will be talking about. Anybody that is considering joining any group of any kind please do your research first. You have to look at all sides of the coin first, then study about subjects of everything possible then prepare to do what ever follows afterwards whether it be studying with a group, attending any type of activities or doing anything else,etc. Here it is. This is a true story, please read all of it. It happened in the world famous San Fernando Valley a City north of and thirty minutes away from Los Angeles. I used to be a SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) member for 23 years since my birth. Then I went to the Church of God World Mission Society a offshoot of the SDA church when I was 25. I do believe in the Trinity and the holy bible now and always have. What I dont believe in now is religion, any religion, or cult. I will now give a quote from an unknown source ” a delusion held by one person is a mental illness, a delusion held by a few a cult, a delusion held by many a religion”. Here is my story its a long one but bear with me. It happened about two to three years ago. I was at my community college school one day outside of the library. I was approached by two young men. One Korean, the other Hispanic. They began preaching to me. Like always I have a open mind to things especially about the word of God. No harm right? ( So I thought at the time).
They began talking about an oncoming world war that is predicted in the Bible. I was telling myself hmm how interesting.They were using the Bible to tell me about this war that will eventually be World War 3. After about half an hour they asked me if I wanted to study with them. I said sure, then they asked me for my phone number. I then said sure no problem. They called me the next day inviting me to theyre church. I had nothing to do that day so I said I will go only if you can pick me up and drop me off again. They (COGWMS members Korean guy, and Hispanic guy) picked me up took me to theyre church, fed me first, then took me to a room and began preaching to me only using the Bible. I was there for about an hour. I dont remember what they preached to me about exactly but I believe it was about the Trinity. They had some valid points, but I was confused when they said that there were three different ages. The age of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They showed me in the Bible that Jesus says go baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Okay that was like day one, several weeks passed by and I went to theyre church about three to four times a week. Only to study through them. One day after about a month and a half they said that the name of the Father was Jehova, the name of the Son was Jesus, and then they said something that left me dumbfounded the name of the Holy Spirit is Ahnsahnhong. (Ahnsahnhong started the new age or age of the holy spirit in the 1960s when he established the Church of God). They then preached to me about how this Korean man named Ahnsahnhong fulfilled certain prophecies according to the Bible and that he ascended to Heaven and promised to come back. ( A year later I found out that he died like in 1985 and is buried in Korea).They showed me a whole lot of verses I stayed there for about two hours. After that they took me home. I went back to theyre church which again they picked me up.
After another Bible session of an hour or so they asked me if I wanted to get baptized. I told them that I already was baptized they then said not under the new age under the name of the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnhong. I told them no its okay I want to attend your Church of God World Mission Society but not get baptized. They then got into an argument with me.(Im a pretty patient person). They told me if I dont get baptized then I wont be attending theyre church and I will not be studying under them. In my mind I wanted to learn more about this newfound religion and wondered why there was this picture of a Korean lady all around the church and why there was a lot of pretty nice attitude girls in that church. (hey a man is weak when it comes to women okay dont judge me, I later found out that that is one of their ploys to make you join in). So I got baptized I felt really guilty I dont know why. They then made me eat a temporary passover meal and sign my name and give them my information in a registration form. It was about ten thirty at night. Afterwards they took me home. Two months passed by and I kept learning a lot of doctrines from them. I attended their services on the Sabbath (which is the seventh day Saturday) the whole day from nine in the morning till like nine at night I stayed so I could study Scripture. I attended on Tuesdays.
I learned several things like the Passover meal, the Feasts, and especially about Mother Jerusalem who lived in Korea and she supposedly cant leave Korea ( I dont know why, they never fully explained to me that). Some of their doctrines like the Sabbath, who is the antichrist, and several others is from the SDA church.The church that I used to go to for about 23 years and the church that supposedly Ahnsahnhong also got baptized in after abandoning Buddhism. One of their own doctrines besides Mother and the Holy Spirit Ahnsahnhong was that the world was going to end in 2012, and that the United Nations was evil.( After 2 years I learned that in a picture on their own website one of the COGWMS representatives was shaking hands with a United Nations representative). Another thing I learned was that Mother Jerusalem arranges marriages. In other words most of the church members at the Los Angeles division had visited Mother (For some reason you can only visit her three times in Korea a flight that comes out of your own pocket) and Mother Jerusalem says you marry this person and you marry this person etc. One thing that happened one time was that I invited some ” brothers” to my home to discuss with my Dad (who is a SDA member since 1981) about the Sabbath and how it should be observed. My Dad showing them with the Bible that the Sabbath is kept from Friday sunset till Saturday sunset like the Jews. The COGWMS ” brothers” said no it is from sunrise Saturday till dawn of Sunday. ( I think that is how they observe it). Using several verses from the Bible. What impressed me and this is what made me keep going to that Church of God was how well these young men knew the Bible. My Dad just used two verses from Scripture. The Church of God ” brothers” not only used old testament verses but new testament as well. (the devil knows scripture also right?). So six months passed by.
During these months I felt like apostle Paul when he used to be a Jew and then converted to the movement of Jesus. I felt it as it was my duty to prostelytized (you know preach). Boy and preached I did I went almost every single day to preach from eleven in the morning till eight at night. I went to schools, shopping malls, and also door to door in neighborhoods (especially in affluent upper middle class neighborhoods, never in poor neighborhoods, or prisons). My family was wondering why I was so into this church and I didnt know it at the time but I was actually distantcing myself from them. One day the main Pastor named Pastor XXXX (he was Korean) came back from missionary work from Oregon this is the first time I met him. He asked me several times a day that I should get a job. As a matter of fact whenever he saw me he told me (all the time) to not bother the church members for a ride and to go home walking and look for a job. (my home was about seven miles away from the church). Which I did I looked and looked but couldnt find anything. This is about the time when the job market started plummeting. One day during the Feasts of Trumpets I believe ( a very important event for Church of God members). Pastor XXXX told me to follow him. In front of other church members he said to get out of church. I asked why? He then told me to follow him to the exit of the church. After which he then told me you need to get out and stay out of this church dont ever come back again or else I will call the police. I was heartbroken I had made friends at the church, I went home and felt spiritually raped. Over the next few days (and still up to this day) I wondered why I was kicked out of the Church of God World Mission Society. I called Pastor XXXX the next week he told me that I should keep reading the Bible and that he and a missionary were going to visit me in a week.( they never came). I then called up several “brothers” of the COGWMS. A peculiar thing that they all asked me was if I followed what Pastor XXXX told me about getting a job.
Which by then I did. I ended up working at a Quiznos. ( a job that i quit before i even heard of COGWMS). I then stopped contact with everyone at that church and went on with my life. Yet I still had some questions about that Church of God. About two months later I went back to my former church ( the Seventh Day Adventist church). One of the pastors ( who was going to become an ordained Catholic priest) saw me and said hey I have been wanting to speak with you about you and that Church of God. He explained to me about this Ahnsahnhong character and recommended a book to me about the New Age movement.( like I mentioned above the new age was brought about Ahnsahnhong in the 1960s when he established the Church of God) Guess when this New Age movement happened thats right in the 1960s. Its about the age of Aquarius. What these New Age movement people do (and its endorsed ideas are found in the movie The Secret, Oprah Winfreys radio show and comments she has made in her show, and Scientology, among many other celebrities and groups the list goes on) is mix Buddhism with Christianity and several other religions like Hinduism and present it through the Bible with several radical ideas. My Pastor then proceeded to disprove all of the Church of Gods doctrines through the Bible. I am saddened at how the Devil is really hard at work these days and deceiving people in mass. Another thing I learned and this is through experience is that Koreans are very money hungry. Doesnt the Bible teach thou shalt not want? I heard a report that there are around 300 different churches in Korea that claim that they have the second coming Christ. Another cult or religion from Korea is the Unification Church which is similar. I dont know what it is about Koreans but I guess since you can not reincarnate into Buddha then you have to pick Jesus. And the Bible says that death has no power over Jesus no more. But Ahnsahnhong (supposedly second coming Jesus)died in 1985 and he predicted that he would be back in 1988 (also in 1967 I think). It never happened. Also I have read Ahnsahnghongs books and he never has claimed divinity. Also through some research I have come to find out that after Ahnsahnghong was baptized he had several marriages. Mother Jerusalems sister is a church money embezzler and has gone to prison for it. Some “heavenly” family. Like Jesus himself said there will be false prophets and false messiahs to deceive even the elect. This cult that I used to go to is proof of what Jesus said. It is also proof that we are living in the last days. Jesus will be coming soon in all his glory. Have a nice day. God bless.
By: xxxxx on February 2, 2011
at 11:10 am
Mother of Sacrifice and Love
The Bible says that God is love (1 Jn 4:8). Until we have got where we are today, there have been God the Father who established the new covenant-the truth of life-through His sacrifice and God the Mother who spares no effort to lead us to the eternal kingdom of heaven even at this moment.
Father’s love is unmeasurable, and Mother’s love is even more unfathom-able, so we cannot grasp the depths of Her love for us. From Mother comes the power that enables the members of Zion to help one another and to become united in love. The endless sacrifice and love of Mother are defeating all the hindrances of Satan in the invisible spiritual world and are leading us, Her children, to victory. Now, let’s take some time to confirm this fact through the Bible.
A lavish love
A long time ago, a teacher and his students made a long journey in order to obtain enlightenment. While walking along the road, they discussed about what the greatest love in the world is. When they arrived at a village, many human bones were found heaped up together. A sudden accident or disaster had probably overtaken the whole village.
Looking at so many human bones laying twisted and tangled up together, the teacher seemed suddenly struck by a thought, and asked his students if they could find a woman’s bone among those bones. His students just looked at one another’s faces, unable to select a woman’s bone easily.
Then the teacher picked up one of the bones, and said it was the bone of a woman. His students asked how he could recognize a woman’s bone so easily among those numerous bones. The teacher explained the reason to them as follows:
“Think about a woman’s life first. When she is young, she is always treated as less than a man just because she is female. When she gets married and becomes pregnant, she provides all the nourishment in her body to her unborn baby. When she gives birth to her child, she has to shed blood. Moreover, when she breast-feeds her baby, all the nutrients in her body are passed on to her child through her breast milk. Since she does so, how can the nutrients remain in her bones? Such a bitter and sacrificial life of a woman has made her bone light and dark like this.”
Listening to the teacher, his students were all reminded of their mothers. ‘Such is the life of a mother. She only gives her children everything, but there is nothing she can do for herself.’ As they realized this, they became solemn for a while. They were deeply moved to hear their teacher say that a mother gives her children everything-even the marrow of her bones-in the process of being pregnant, giving birth to them and raising them. Thinking of their mothers, they all shed tears.
A mother is the one who gives unconditional love to her children. She only gives her children everything she has. Why is the life of every mother on this earth so devotional? Why did God make a mother into such a sacrificial being?
A mother continuously tries to give everything to her children with careful concern for them, wishing them to succeed and prosper in life, even though she herself suffers a lot. This love and sacrifice is the nature of a mother. I believe that God has put the spirit of love and sacrifice in the hearts of mothers on this earth because it is the spiritual nature of our Heavenly Mother.
Those who love Jerusalem, and those who do not serve Jerusalem
Like the disciples in the above story, who obtained realization from what their teacher said and were moved to tears, thinking of their mothers, we shall also realize the sacrifice and love of our spiritual Mother and engrave it deep in our hearts.
Isa 66:10-14 『”Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her. For you will nurse and be satisfied at her comforting breasts; you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance.” For this is what the LORD says: “I will extend peace to her like a river, and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carried on her arm and dandled on her knees. As a mother comforts her child, so will I comfort you; and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.” When you see this, your heart will rejoice and you will flourish like grass; the hand of the LORD will be made known to his servants, but his fury will be shown to his foes.』
In Galatians it is written, “But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother” (Gal 4:26). So, “those who love Jerusalem” means “those who love their spiritual Mother.” Mother has given us everything-Her flesh and blood and even Her bones, until She has nothing left to give and Her bones become very light. We must realize how much Mother gives us and how much pain and sorrow She endures behind the scenes.
God bestows His blessings on those who realize the love of Jerusalem Mother, and He pours out His wrath upon those who do not realize Her love and turn away from Her.
Isa 60:1-12 『”Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you. See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the LORD rises upon you and his glory appears over you. Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn. Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the arm. . . . Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their nests? Surely the islands look to me; in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, bringing your sons from afar, with their silver and gold, to the honor of the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, . . . For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.”』
The above prophecy of Isaiah 60 sings the glory of Jerusalem that is to appear in the future. It also proclaims God’s warning that on the last day He will judge all peoples and nations that do not serve Jerusalem.
Proclaim the glory of Jerusalem to the whole world
In order for God’s people, who were small and weak, to become a mighty nation, they should display the glory of Jerusalem throughout the world. God our Father told us to proclaim Jerusalem’s glory to the whole world without rest.
Isa 60:21-22 『”Then will all your people be righteous and they will possess the land forever. They are the shoot I have planted, the work of my hands, for the display of my splendor. The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation. I am the LORD; in its time I will do this swiftly.”』
Isa 62:6-7 『I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem; they will never be silent day or night. You who call on the LORD, give yourselves no rest, and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem and makes her the praise of the earth.』
The Bible repeatedly urges us not to stop spreading the glory of Jerusalem all over the world. If we understand Mother’s boundless sacrifice, love and pain, we should proclaim Her glory to the ends of the earth.
Through mothers on this earth, we can understand the sacrifice and love of Heavenly Mother even a little bit. Every earthly system, everything done on this earth, is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven, and God created all things by His will (Heb 8:5; Rev 4:11).
If the love of a father is an invisible fence that surrounds us and keeps us safe, the love of a mother works more directly and closely with her children. Suppose an urgent situation where children are caught in a fire. When this happens, fathers tend to judge the situation rationally, but mothers judge it sensitively. Fathers are likely to make a rational judgment: ‘Since the fire has become this big, if I fail to get them out of the fire within a few seconds, both of us will die.’ On the other hand, mothers run into the fire first in order to save their children. A mother’s love is so unconditional.
Victory given through Mother’s sacrifice and love
Thus, we are growing in the love of Mother who lavishly sacrifices everything to save us, Her children. That’s why we, the offspring of the woman, can win the spiritual war against Satan in the end.
Ge 3:15 『”And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”』
God said that He would put enmity between the serpent and the woman. The woman is described as the “mother of all the living” (Ge 3:20). The woman (Mother) and the serpent (Satan) are enemies to each other. The offspring of the woman and the offspring of the serpent are also enemies to each other.
The devil our enemy sets all sorts of traps and snares in order to tempt us to disobey the holy will of our heavenly Mother. He devises many schemes to make us waste our time on earthly things that are meaningless and transient.
In order to resist the temptations of Satan and to win victory over him, we absolutely need to make efforts to obey Jerusalem Mother and put Her words into practice, with love for Her. Heavenly Mother is working even at this moment, sparing no pains, for us Her children. How about us? What are we doing now? Are we not absorbed in things for physical comfort and pleasure and wasting our time on such worthless things? Or, are we trying to save souls while giving and sharing, along with Mother? We need to reflect on ourselves.
Rev 12:9 『The great dragon was hurled down-that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.』
Rev 12:17 『Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring-those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.』
The great dragon was hurled down, and the identity of the dragon was discovered to be the serpent in the Garden of Eden. The serpent was expelled from heaven, and is opposing the woman on this earth.
In the Bible, the dragon or the serpent refers to Satan the devil. Satan was enraged at God the Mother and went off to make war against the rest of Her offspring-those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Although Satan is reigning over numerous people like the sand of the sea, he is destined to lose every war.
Rev 20:7-10 『When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth-Gog and Magog-to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.』
The spiritual warfare between the serpent and the woman-between the offspring of the serpent and the offspring of the woman-is to end with the punishment of the dragon in an unquenchable fire where he will be tormented forever and ever.
Satan can never triumph over Mother. Since Mother has “love” the greatest power, how can Satan win?
The power that enables God’s children to be victorious is the endless love of Mother who protects Her children, even at the risk of Her own life. So, those who love Jerusalem display Her glory wherever they are, and proclaim Her holy sacrifice and love to the ends of the earth.
Salvation achieved through sacrifice
Satan is doomed to be tormented in the eternal fire of hell. Now, let’s see where God our Mother is leading us, Her children.
Rev 22:1-5 『Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.』
God our Mother has continuously guarded and protected us, Her loving children, from every evil scheme of Satan to lead us to the way of eternal life and to ultimately raise us as the heavenly royal priesthood who will reign forever and ever. Until She has done that, spiritually Her flesh and bones have become so weak and frail. Everything good has been taken by Her children. She has given Her children all things that can help them. The six thousand year long period has been a series of such spiritual struggles. We can fully understand it even though we do not hear the explanation regarding how light and frail a woman’s bone is.
Those who do not realize the love of Jerusalem our heavenly Mother cannot stand at the position of the heavenly royal priesthood. They cannot resist and overcome the power of Satan. Only when we cherish the love of Mother and put it into practice, we will be able to become “those who overcome” (Rev 3:12), just as Mother has won eternal victory.
Preaching without love is lifeless. It is only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. Only when we fill our hearts with God’s holy love, we can preach sincerely and practice true love. Mother’s love that works within us enables us to take care of one another, to correct someone if he or she has a wrong thought and to help another out if he or she goes astray, so that we will all be able to enter the kingdom of heaven together.
Let’s share the love we have received from Mother with our brothers and sisters and with our neighbors and all people around the world, who have not received the truth yet, so that the glorious way can be opened for them all to fly into the arms of Heavenly Mother like clouds, like doves to their nests, according to the prophecy of Isaiah. As children of Mother, we should also care about many people around us with love for them, always remembering that the source of love is Heavenly Mother, and should repay Mother for the love we have received from Her. I earnestly hope that all our brothers and sisters in Zion will follow Mother wherever She leads us and give glory, praise and thanks to Her all the time.
Heavenly Father and Mother want us all to become a royal priesthood in heaven. Elohim have told us not to lose the glorious position but hold on to it, so that no one will take our crowns (Rev 3:11). Serving Heavenly Mother and receiving Mother’s abundant love, let us preach the gracious love of life-the heavenly love-to all people around the world and provide the love to them as much as we can, so that we will all go to the eternal kingdom of heaven together.
By: Bell on February 2, 2011
at 1:18 pm
Mother of Sacrifice and Love
The Bible says that God is love (1 Jn 4:8). Until we have got where we are today, there have been God the Father who established the new covenant-the truth of life-through His sacrifice and God the Mother who spares no effort to lead us to the eternal kingdom of heaven even at this moment.
Father’s love is unmeasurable, and Mother’s love is even more unfathom-able, so we cannot grasp the depths of Her love for us. From Mother comes the power that enables the members of Zion to help one another and to become united in love. The endless sacrifice and love of Mother are defeating all the hindrances of Satan in the invisible spiritual world and are leading us, Her children, to victory. Now, let’s take some time to confirm this fact through the Bible.
A lavish love
A long time ago, a teacher and his students made a long journey in order to obtain enlightenment. While walking along the road, they discussed about what the greatest love in the world is. When they arrived at a village, many human bones were found heaped up together. A sudden accident or disaster had probably overtaken the whole village.
Looking at so many human bones laying twisted and tangled up together, the teacher seemed suddenly struck by a thought, and asked his students if they could find a woman’s bone among those bones. His students just looked at one another’s faces, unable to select a woman’s bone easily.
Then the teacher picked up one of the bones, and said it was the bone of a woman. His students asked how he could recognize a woman’s bone so easily among those numerous bones. The teacher explained the reason to them as follows:
“Think about a woman’s life first. When she is young, she is always treated as less than a man just because she is female. When she gets married and becomes pregnant, she provides all the nourishment in her body to her unborn baby. When she gives birth to her child, she has to shed blood. Moreover, when she breast-feeds her baby, all the nutrients in her body are passed on to her child through her breast milk. Since she does so, how can the nutrients remain in her bones? Such a bitter and sacrificial life of a woman has made her bone light and dark like this.”
Listening to the teacher, his students were all reminded of their mothers. ‘Such is the life of a mother. She only gives her children everything, but there is nothing she can do for herself.’ As they realized this, they became solemn for a while. They were deeply moved to hear their teacher say that a mother gives her children everything-even the marrow of her bones-in the process of being pregnant, giving birth to them and raising them. Thinking of their mothers, they all shed tears.
A mother is the one who gives unconditional love to her children. She only gives her children everything she has. Why is the life of every mother on this earth so devotional? Why did God make a mother into such a sacrificial being?
A mother continuously tries to give everything to her children with careful concern for them, wishing them to succeed and prosper in life, even though she herself suffers a lot. This love and sacrifice is the nature of a mother. I believe that God has put the spirit of love and sacrifice in the hearts of mothers on this earth because it is the spiritual nature of our Heavenly Mother.
Those who love Jerusalem, and those who do not serve Jerusalem
Like the disciples in the above story, who obtained realization from what their teacher said and were moved to tears, thinking of their mothers, we shall also realize the sacrifice and love of our spiritual Mother and engrave it deep in our hearts.
Isa 66:10-14 『”Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her. For you will nurse and be satisfied at her comforting breasts; you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance.” For this is what the LORD says: “I will extend peace to her like a river, and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carried on her arm and dandled on her knees. As a mother comforts her child, so will I comfort you; and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.” When you see this, your heart will rejoice and you will flourish like grass; the hand of the LORD will be made known to his servants, but his fury will be shown to his foes.』
In Galatians it is written, “But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother” (Gal 4:26). So, “those who love Jerusalem” means “those who love their spiritual Mother.” Mother has given us everything-Her flesh and blood and even Her bones, until She has nothing left to give and Her bones become very light. We must realize how much Mother gives us and how much pain and sorrow She endures behind the scenes.
God bestows His blessings on those who realize the love of Jerusalem Mother, and He pours out His wrath upon those who do not realize Her love and turn away from Her.
Isa 60:1-12 『”Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you. See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the LORD rises upon you and his glory appears over you. Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn. Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the arm. . . . Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their nests? Surely the islands look to me; in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, bringing your sons from afar, with their silver and gold, to the honor of the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, . . . For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.”』
The above prophecy of Isaiah 60 sings the glory of Jerusalem that is to appear in the future. It also proclaims God’s warning that on the last day He will judge all peoples and nations that do not serve Jerusalem.
Proclaim the glory of Jerusalem to the whole world
In order for God’s people, who were small and weak, to become a mighty nation, they should display the glory of Jerusalem throughout the world. God our Father told us to proclaim Jerusalem’s glory to the whole world without rest.
Isa 60:21-22 『”Then will all your people be righteous and they will possess the land forever. They are the shoot I have planted, the work of my hands, for the display of my splendor. The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation. I am the LORD; in its time I will do this swiftly.”』
Isa 62:6-7 『I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem; they will never be silent day or night. You who call on the LORD, give yourselves no rest, and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem and makes her the praise of the earth.』
The Bible repeatedly urges us not to stop spreading the glory of Jerusalem all over the world. If we understand Mother’s boundless sacrifice, love and pain, we should proclaim Her glory to the ends of the earth.
Through mothers on this earth, we can understand the sacrifice and love of Heavenly Mother even a little bit. Every earthly system, everything done on this earth, is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven, and God created all things by His will (Heb 8:5; Rev 4:11).
If the love of a father is an invisible fence that surrounds us and keeps us safe, the love of a mother works more directly and closely with her children. Suppose an urgent situation where children are caught in a fire. When this happens, fathers tend to judge the situation rationally, but mothers judge it sensitively. Fathers are likely to make a rational judgment: ‘Since the fire has become this big, if I fail to get them out of the fire within a few seconds, both of us will die.’ On the other hand, mothers run into the fire first in order to save their children. A mother’s love is so unconditional.
Victory given through Mother’s sacrifice and love
Thus, we are growing in the love of Mother who lavishly sacrifices everything to save us, Her children. That’s why we, the offspring of the woman, can win the spiritual war against Satan in the end.
Ge 3:15 『”And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”』
God said that He would put enmity between the serpent and the woman. The woman is described as the “mother of all the living” (Ge 3:20). The woman (Mother) and the serpent (Satan) are enemies to each other. The offspring of the woman and the offspring of the serpent are also enemies to each other.
The devil our enemy sets all sorts of traps and snares in order to tempt us to disobey the holy will of our heavenly Mother. He devises many schemes to make us waste our time on earthly things that are meaningless and transient.
In order to resist the temptations of Satan and to win victory over him, we absolutely need to make efforts to obey Jerusalem Mother and put Her words into practice, with love for Her. Heavenly Mother is working even at this moment, sparing no pains, for us Her children. How about us? What are we doing now? Are we not absorbed in things for physical comfort and pleasure and wasting our time on such worthless things? Or, are we trying to save souls while giving and sharing, along with Mother? We need to reflect on ourselves.
Rev 12:9 『The great dragon was hurled down-that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.』
Rev 12:17 『Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring-those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.』
The great dragon was hurled down, and the identity of the dragon was discovered to be the serpent in the Garden of Eden. The serpent was expelled from heaven, and is opposing the woman on this earth.
In the Bible, the dragon or the serpent refers to Satan the devil. Satan was enraged at God the Mother and went off to make war against the rest of Her offspring-those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Although Satan is reigning over numerous people like the sand of the sea, he is destined to lose every war.
Rev 20:7-10 『When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth-Gog and Magog-to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.』
The spiritual warfare between the serpent and the woman-between the offspring of the serpent and the offspring of the woman-is to end with the punishment of the dragon in an unquenchable fire where he will be tormented forever and ever.
Satan can never triumph over Mother. Since Mother has “love” the greatest power, how can Satan win?
The power that enables God’s children to be victorious is the endless love of Mother who protects Her children, even at the risk of Her own life. So, those who love Jerusalem display Her glory wherever they are, and proclaim Her holy sacrifice and love to the ends of the earth.
Salvation achieved through sacrifice
Satan is doomed to be tormented in the eternal fire of hell. Now, let’s see where God our Mother is leading us, Her children.
Rev 22:1-5 『Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.』
God our Mother has continuously guarded and protected us, Her loving children, from every evil scheme of Satan to lead us to the way of eternal life and to ultimately raise us as the heavenly royal priesthood who will reign forever and ever. Until She has done that, spiritually Her flesh and bones have become so weak and frail. Everything good has been taken by Her children. She has given Her children all things that can help them. The six thousand year long period has been a series of such spiritual struggles. We can fully understand it even though we do not hear the explanation regarding how light and frail a woman’s bone is.
Those who do not realize the love of Jerusalem our heavenly Mother cannot stand at the position of the heavenly royal priesthood. They cannot resist and overcome the power of Satan. Only when we cherish the love of Mother and put it into practice, we will be able to become “those who overcome” (Rev 3:12), just as Mother has won eternal victory.
Preaching without love is lifeless. It is only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. Only when we fill our hearts with God’s holy love, we can preach sincerely and practice true love. Mother’s love that works within us enables us to take care of one another, to correct someone if he or she has a wrong thought and to help another out if he or she goes astray, so that we will all be able to enter the kingdom of heaven together.
Let’s share the love we have received from Mother with our brothers and sisters and with our neighbors and all people around the world, who have not received the truth yet, so that the glorious way can be opened for them all to fly into the arms of Heavenly Mother like clouds, like doves to their nests, according to the prophecy of Isaiah. As children of Mother, we should also care about many people around us with love for them, always remembering that the source of love is Heavenly Mother, and should repay Mother for the love we have received from Her. I earnestly hope that all our brothers and sisters in Zion will follow Mother wherever She leads us and give glory, praise and thanks to Her all the time.
Heavenly Father and Mother want us all to become a royal priesthood in heaven. Elohim have told us not to lose the glorious position but hold on to it, so that no one will take our crowns (Rev 3:11). Serving Heavenly Mother and receiving Mother’s abundant love, let us preach the gracious love of life-the heavenly love-to all people around the world and provide the love to them as much as we can, so that we will all go to the eternal kingdom of heaven together.
By: Bell on February 2, 2011
at 4:11 pm
i have been to 2 services of the world mission society church of god and both times they made me wait like 20 minutes before they would allow me to enter into their church they have bouncer like people standing outside the door and i guess they need permision for their superiors on who does and does not enter their church after that things were okay for awhile until they started with their crazy commuion is false the virgin mary s false they went on attacking things on hold on to that i choose not to participate in the service at that point i was asked to leave and thrown out of their church but my concern is not me but on fairlegh dikerson college in teaneck nj
they allow the world mission society church of god to bradcast a show on wfdu radio 89.1 from 9 pm to 1 am or 2am on sunday nights i called the radio manger and explained they are a danerous cult and they motives to broadcast on their station are shady and deceitful how can i be effective to counter any attemps for this church to use the radio to spread thier lies and false doctrines
the show is called new song i urge all people who read this blog in the new york – new jersey metro area to call wfdu radio and ask them to take this dangerous show off thie airwaves
By: joseph godleski on February 3, 2011
at 1:13 am
i have been to 2 services of the world mission society church of god and both times they made me wait like 20 minutes before they would allow me to enter into their church they have bouncer like people standing outside the door and i guess they need permision for their superiors on who does and does not enter their church after that things were okay for awhile until they started with their crazy commuion is false the virgin mary s false they went on attacking things on hold on to that i choose not to participate in the service at that point i was asked to leave and thrown out of their church but my concern is not me but on fairlegh dickerson college in teaneck nj
they allow the world mission society church of god to broadcast a show on wfdu radio 89.1 from 9 pm to 1 am or 2am on sunday nights i called the radio manger and explained they are a danerous cult and they motives to broadcast on their station are shady and deceitful how can i be effective to counter any attemps for this church to use the radio to spread thier lies and false doctrines
the show is called new song i urge all people who read this blog in the new york – new jersey metro area to call wfdu radio and ask them to take this dangerous show off thie airwaves
By: joseph godleski on February 3, 2011
at 1:14 am
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By: xxxxx on February 3, 2011
at 9:08 am
Proclaim the Glory of Jerusalem to the World
Every single prophecy in the Bible has been fulfilled in human history without fail, and is still being fulfilled today. Some prophecies, which still remain unfulfilled, will surely be fulfilled soon according to the providence of God.
Now, we have the most important prophecy of the Bible before us. God said that the glory of Jerusalem would be proclaimed to all the nations of the world. Even though there is a prophecy, unless we ask God and make an effort to fulfill the prophecy, it will be delayed in its fulfillment and we will not share in the glory which is prophesied. As the soldiers of the heavenly army in Zion, we should keep in step with the prophecy and proclaim the glory of Jerusalem to the whole world.
Jerusalem will be a praise in the earth
The prophet Isaiah prophesied about Jerusalem who would be the praise and glory of the earth as follows.
Isa 62:6-7 “I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem; they will never be silent day or night. You who call on the LORD, give yourselves no rest, and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem and makes her the praise of the earth.”
Isa 66:10-14 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; … For you will nurse and be satisfied at her comforting breasts; you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance.” For this is what the LORD says: “I will extend peace to her like a river, and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carried on her arm and dandled on her knees. As a mother comforts her child, so will I comfort you; and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.” When you see this, your heart will rejoice and you will flourish like grass; …”
The prophecy about Jerusalem is mentioned many times in the book of Isaiah. The Bible says that it is God’s will for Jerusalem to be praised by all the nations of the world and that we, all the children of God, will be comforted and glad in Jerusalem.
Who is Jerusalem that she will be praised and honored by all the nations of the world? As it is generally known, Jerusalem is a specific place located in the Middle East. How can a mere city called Jerusalem be established by God Himself and praised and honored by all the nations of the earth? How can we be carried and comforted in the arms of Jerusalem if it indicates a physical place?
Taking the prophecies literally will only increase doubts. As the Bible says, “… expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words” (1 Cor 2:13), we need to find out what the spiritual Jerusalem, not the earthly one, means in the Bible.
The heavenly Jerusalem is our Mother
The Bible mentions not only the earthly Jerusalem but also the heavenly Jerusalem. Now, let’s find out what God wants to show us through Jerusalem.
Gal 4:26 “But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.”
It is written that the Jerusalem that is above is our mother. The Bible personifies Jerusalem on earth to show us its reality, the heavenly Jerusalem our Mother. It says in the Bible that we will be comforted in Jerusalem and satisfied at her comforting breasts. This shows that we, children of Jerusalem, will grow up spiritually, being comforted by our heavenly Mother, like a child who is dandled on his mother’s knees and in her arms.
The Bible prophesies that Jerusalem will be praised and glorified in the earth. This prophecy does not refer to the earthly Jerusalem located in the Middle East. As spiritual watchmen, we should proclaim the glory of God to all the nations and clearly testify that it is God’s firm will for Jerusalem our Mother to be praised in the earth.
Until the prophecy is completely fulfilled, we must continually pray to God that the day will come soon when the glory of Jerusalem our Mother will be proclaimed throughout the whole world. The gospel work will be finished when Mother is proclaimed and revealed throughout all the nations of the world.
The Bible continues to explain:
Gal 4:27-31 “For it is written: “Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.”
We are children of the free woman, our Mother, and also children of promise. What God promised us is eternal life (1 John 2:25). So, children of promise can be called children of eternal life. As we are children of Mother, we become children of promise who can receive eternal life and inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Children of promise like Isaac
Isaac was born to Abraham by his wife Sarah, and he became Abraham’s heir. Sarah, the wife of Abraham, represents our heavenly Mother. That’s why the Bible calls us “children of promise like Isaac.”
Abraham, the forefather of faith, represents God the Father. Let’s find out what the relationship between Abraham and God is, through the parable of the rich man and Lazarus spoken by Jesus.
Luke 16:19-31 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me …’ ”
In the parable, when Lazarus and the rich man died, Lazarus was carried to Abraham’s side and the rich man went to hell and was in torment. Strangely enough, the rich man in hell called to Abraham in heaven, “Father Abraham, …” It is only God who can be called Father in the spiritual world. In other words, Abraham represents God.
The history of Abraham’s family is described in various places throughout the book of Genesis in the Holy Bible. In Abraham’s family, the matter of an heir was mentioned many times, and finally Isaac, whom Sarah bore, became the heir of Abraham. It was Sarah, Isaac’s mother, that had a crucial role in deciding the heir.
Why do many verses in the Bible specifically describe an individual’s family history? There is a certain reason for this. The history of Abraham’s family shows us that Jerusalem our Mother has a decisive role in qualifying us as God’s heirs to inherit His kingdom.
Abraham’s family and Mother
Gen 15:1-5 “After this, the word of the LORD came to Abram (the original name of Abraham) in a vision: “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward.” But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.” …
When Abraham was 85 years old, he still had no son. So, he wanted to make Eliezer, a servant in his household, his heir to inherit his estate. However, God said that Eliezer was not suitable to be Abraham’s heir and that a son coming from his own body would be his heir.
Gen 16:1-6, 15 “Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said. … Hagar, and she conceived. When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. … So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.”
Abraham’s wife Sarah gave her maidservant Hagar to her husband as his concubine. When Hagar conceived, she began to despise her mistress Sarah. Since Sarah bore no children, she was despised by her maidservant. Afterward, she continued to suffer mental distress and anguish for about 14 years until Isaac was born.
When Hagar bore Ishmael to Abraham, he seemed to have an heir. However, God said to Abraham, “A son coming from your own body will be your heir.” It was not God’s will for Ishmael to be Abraham’s heir. God wanted a son, who would be born to Abra-ham by Sarah his wife-the free woman, to become Abraham’s heir.
Gen 17:1-7, 15-19 “When Abram was ninety-nine years old, … God also said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.” Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.”
Abraham assumed that Ishmael would be his heir. However, God said that He would establish His covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah would bear to him. God didn’t allow Eliezer to be Abraham’s heir for the reason that he was not his own son. Even though Ishmael was Abraham’s son, God rejected him as his heir because he was born by the slave woman. God acknowledged only Isaac who would be born through Sarah.
As God had promised, one year later Sarah bore a son, Isaac, who became Abra-ham’s heir through his mother, Sarah (Gen 21:1-12).
The heavenly inheritance is given through Mother
The history of Abraham’s family shows through whom we can become God’s chil-dren and inherit the kingdom of God. God has made those who are like Isaac children of promise and allowed them the blessing of eternal life. As Isaac was designated as Abraham’s heir through his mother, so we can become God’s heirs through our Mother and enjoy the precious blessing of eternal life.
Those who do not know Jerusalem our Mother can never become children of promise like Isaac. God said, “A son coming from your own body will be your heir.” Ishmael was the first begotten son of Abraham, who was 14 years older than Isaac. Nevertheless, why didn’t God accept Ishmael as Abraham’s heir? Ishmael represents those who know God only as Father. However, the Bible clearly shows that there is God the Mother as well.
God has determined not to give the heavenly inheritance to those who have no part with Him. He doesn’t accept the people, who believe in God the Father but do not believe in God the Mother, as His heirs. It is Mother who holds the final key. Everything on this earth is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. If we think about why God lets the physical life be given through a mother, we can understand what the divine will is.
Surely there is a reason why God establishes Jerusalem and makes her the praise of the earth. The history of Abraham’s family shows how much Mother has suffered until She is glorified. However, it expresses just a little bit of Her suffering. Until we’ve received eternal life promised by God, there’s been the great sacrifice of Mother, who has suffered so much for 6,000 years in order to lead Her children to heaven. Mother grants us, Her children, eternal life through Her invisible, inexpressible pains. That’s why God does not rest until He makes Mother the praise of the earth. The Bible describes the scene that God’s children, who have received Jerusalem Mother, nurse and are satisfied at Her comforting breasts, delighting in Her overflowing abundance, like a child.
Heavenly Mother whom the Bible testifies about
The existence of our heavenly Mother is already recorded in Genesis. Let’s look back to the time when our heavenly Mother did the work of creation together with our heavenly Father.
Gen 1:26-28 “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. …”
When God created man in His own image, male and female were created in the image of God. This suggests that there are two images of God: male and female. That’s why God said when creating man, “Let us make man …,” instead of saying, “I will make man…”
Even before the creation of the world, both images of God already existed: the male image of God and the female image of God. Therefore, those who have received only God the Father cannot be God’s heirs. Although they live together in Abraham’s family and call him Lord or Father, they cannot inherit his estate, just as Eliezer and Ishmael, who were not children of Sarah, didn’t inherit Abraham’s property.
If we just call out to God without knowing Him correctly, we cannot communicate with God. We can worship God rightly when we know Him. Keeping the will of God in mind, we should quickly proclaim Jerusalem our Mother, who is life, to all the nations of the world. As the eternal kingdom of God is close at hand, we will bear more good fruit if we fully proclaim the glory of Jerusalem our Mother. God’s prophecy must surely be fulfilled if we believe in it and put it into practice.
Proclaim the glory of the new Jerusalem to the whole world
We have to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible diligently. Young adult members like the dew of the dawn must arise; the gospel must be preached to all nations; and the prophesied 144,000, whom John saw, will all come to Mount Zion and be guided by the Spirit and the Bride.
We must not delay doing God’s work. Even at this moment, time passes away. Making the most of every moment, let’s proclaim the glory of Jerusalem our heavenly Mother all the more. Some will probably intend to defame the glory of Jerusalem, like Tobiah and Sanballat. However, even amid their hindrance, the city of Jerusalem was completed without fail, because it was the work of the Holy Spirit, not something men could accomplish by themselves.
We all experienced the work of the Holy Spirit during the Preaching Festival of the Feast of Tabernacles. The number of the souls we found during the week of the Preaching Festival is almost the same as the number of the souls whom we had found for a year. How can we say it’s the work of men? Since we all became one with filial piety toward Jerusalem our Mother, the gracious work of the Holy Spirit occurred, like a good son in an ancient Korean story who moved heaven and was able to find strawberries for his old mother in the middle of the winter.
Now, through the fire of the Holy Spirit, let’s proclaim the glory of Jerusalem our Mother to the whole world. Then the people of all nations will come together to see the glory of God, and when each of them returns he will proclaim God’s glory in his country (Isa 66:18-19). How amazing!
It is our mission to proclaim the glory of Jerusalem throughout the whole world. When Gideon’s army of 300 soldiers broke the jars, held the torches hidden in them and shouted, “For the LORD!” they were able to defeat 135,000 men and won a great victory. Likewise, when we shout out the glory of Jerusalem, a marvelous work will occur. Now is the time for us to break the jars and hold the torches high. Let’s shout altogether, lifting up the torches. Let us all arise and shine the light of the gospel to the whole world. Looking forward to the day when God’s glory will be shone brightly all over the world, let us diligently proclaim the light of the glory of the new Jerusalem to the whole world.
By: Bell on February 3, 2011
at 10:06 am
EVERYONE PLEASE LISTEN TO ME. I WAS IN THE CHURCH OF GOD FOR 7 MONTHS. YOU CAN READ MY STORY ON ONE OF THESE PAGES IF NOT GO TO MY WEBSITE. PLEASE HELP ME INFORM PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF THIS FALSE ORGANIZATION. THEY ARE ALL FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE GODS WORSHIPPERS. MY WEBSITE IS
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By: xxxxx on February 3, 2011
at 11:00 am
im interested to know more of you and the church
By: X-COG Member on February 7, 2011
at 3:00 am
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By: xxxxx on February 7, 2011
at 7:46 am
In March 28, 2010 someone wrote a post on a blog, where they explain that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit, and I quote:
“From these verses, it looks like the Holy Spirit seals us to show that we belong to Him when we believe…”
then they go on to quote the following verses to discredit the teaching of the World Mission Society Church of God that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Ephesians 1:13-14 — …Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…
Ephesians 4:30-32 — And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed…
But these verses do not contradict the teaching that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God. To understand this verses correctly, first you need to have a correct interpretation of the Trinity, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God. As the Bible explains Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 — You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you, And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
here the Spirit of God is referred to as the Spirit of Christ. Thus Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same one.
Acts 16:6-7 — …having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. …but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.
Here the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus are the same. Thus Jesus is the Holy Spirit. one more:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Galatians 4:6 — Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts…
There are more testimonies in the Bible about this, but I will omit them for the sake of space. The above verses should be sufficient to let you understand that to receive the Holy Spirit in us, would be the same as to receiving Christ in us. Then how can we receive Christ in us?
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Jesus himself declared that when we receive His body and blood He remains in us and we in him, thus we receive Christ in us. Then how can we receive the body and the blood Christ? as per Jesus Himself:
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the PASSOVER… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then through the PASSOVER we can receive Jesus Christ in us, thus we receive the Holy Spirit in us as well.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of God, but by celebrating the Passover we can have confirmation from God that we have received the seal of God.
By: Bell on February 3, 2011
at 12:10 pm
Hi All :)
So this blog is far to long… the only thing that I really have to say is that if you “claim” to be “christians” then why are you bashing/judging each other? I am believer of oneness, and I am believer of Holiness, not going to go into detail for the reason that I do not like to argue and I don’t care to… but we are to be Christ like, and by reading quite a few of these blogs, they are def not Christ like… We are to reach out and love everyone as Chirst loves us. We are to forgive, as Christ as forgvien us.
PS: I will add this…. eveyone will claim that their “religion” is the true religion… but in my opinion, thats not what it is all about, It’s about an exprience and a true and daily walk with God.
I wish you all well
God Bless!
By: betty on February 5, 2011
at 5:11 am
Betty,
Good Point, but we are to follow the comands of God or we are not with him, and we are to make disciples of all nations. Even the followers of Christ made mistakes are they were leaning. Even Peter, loved by Christ denied him three times before the roster crowed just as it was written that he would. What happened to Peter, repended and was forgive. Who was the judge of his sins, God. Therefore none of us has the authority to judge what others do but learn from the mistakes of others.
By: Cindy on January 17, 2012
at 8:35 am
@ Betty: yes, you are correct that Christians should be building one another up and not bashing each other down.. however, that is not the case here. What is happening is we (the TRUE followers of the ONE and ONLY Jesus Christ) are battling against those that have been deceived by one of Satan’s latest cults, “WMSCOG”. It represents a false Christ, one which is Korean and not Jewish, and also which distorts every doctrine of the Bible one could possibly think of.
Things like this can -not- go unsaid, that is we must not let the followers of the church of “God” blindly believe what they believe. We must expose the distortions of the Bible and lead them to sound doctrine. After all, the Apostle Paul teaches us, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to be instructed in sound doctrine and not believe in foolish wives tales and fables. Paul also teaches us the vanity of being “religious” in following the Old Testament Jewish laws, including the Sabbath, unless we do it out of being Jewish ourselves (he allowed the early church to discontinue Jewish tradition since the Gentiles were not Jewish it would not apply to them.. though if the Jews wanted to, they could do so, but not push the laws onto Gentiles).
The law in and of itself is sinless and good, but it convicts sin and thus punishes sinners. Jesus Christ took the sin on the cross and dealt with it personally, and now any that believes on the Lord Jesus Christ and has repented, is now on a path of Holiness and is not convicted by sin. That is not to say that he sins no more in the flesh, but rather sin is not a habitual desire in the heart of man. With the Holy Spirit residing in the temple of man, the heart, we are convicted by God Himself and not by Old Testament laws.
With that said, while we are to build one another up and not bash, I believe that instructing one another in sound doctrine builds others up rather than tears down. Think about it: if a Pastor preached about the goodness of God and how sinners can enter into heaven without repenting, how many would be deceived? We would be thinking we wouldn’t have to change a lifestyle or turn to Christ and still be able to enter heaven. That’s false, we all know it.. so why condone a false doctrine in the church? We must instruct against such things.
Anyone which tells you otherwise is not a true Christian, is a false prophet, and does NOT come in the name of the LORD Jesus Christ, who is YHWH forever, amen.
By: Pierce on February 5, 2011
at 6:11 am
Passover is the Seal of God
In March 28, 2010 someone wrote a post on a blog, where they explain that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit, and I quote:
“From these verses, it looks like the Holy Spirit seals us to show that we belong to Him when we believe…”
then they go on to quote the following verses to discredit the teaching of the World Mission Society Church of God that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Ephesians 1:13-14 — …Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…
Ephesians 4:30-32 — And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed…
But these verses do not contradict the teaching that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God. To understand this verses correctly, first you need to have a correct interpretation of the Trinity, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God. As the Bible explains Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 — You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you, And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
here the Spirit of God is referred to as the Spirit of Christ. Thus Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same one.
Acts 16:6-7 — …having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. …but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.
Here the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus are the same. Thus Jesus is the Holy Spirit. one more:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Galatians 4:6 — Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts…
There are more testimonies in the Bible about this, but I will omit them for the sake of space. The above verses should be sufficient to let you understand that to receive the Holy Spirit in us, would be the same as to receiving Christ in us. Then how can we receive Christ in us?
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Jesus himself declared that when we receive His body and blood He remains in us and we in him, thus we receive Christ in us. Then how can we receive the body and the blood Christ? as per Jesus Himself:
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the PASSOVER… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then through the PASSOVER we can receive Jesus Christ in us, thus we receive the Holy Spirit in us as well.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of God, but by celebrating the Passover we can have confirmation from God that we have received the seal of God.
By: Bell on February 5, 2011
at 8:52 am
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By: baikuntha giri on February 6, 2011
at 7:11 pm
The ministers at the WMSCOG have horrendous haircuts, an obsession with people’s appearances (shallowness), and a compulsive lying problem.
Tread carefully.
Mark my words, you WILL regret having spent a lot of time at “Zion” when the next several years unfold.
By: ILoveTruth on February 7, 2011
at 3:08 am
LOL. thats true.
By: X-COG Member on February 9, 2011
at 10:04 am
Holy Spirit is the Seal of God and through the Passover which Jesus commanded us to receive Him we can truly receive the Seal of God.
A verse to remember:
James 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
In March 28, 2010 someone wrote a post on a blog, where they explain that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit, and I quote:
“From these verses, it looks like the Holy Spirit seals us to show that we belong to Him when we believe…”
then they go on to quote the following verses to discredit the teaching of the World Mission Society Church of God that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Ephesians 1:13-14 — …Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…
Ephesians 4:30-32 — And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed…
But these verses do not contradict the teaching that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God. To understand this verses correctly, first you need to have a correct interpretation of the Trinity, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God. As the Bible explains Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 — You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you, And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
here the Spirit of God is referred to as the Spirit of Christ. Thus Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same one.
Acts 16:6-7 — …having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. …but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.
Here the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus are the same. Thus Jesus is the Holy Spirit. one more:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Galatians 4:6 — Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts…
There are more testimonies in the Bible about this, but I will omit them for the sake of space. The above verses should be sufficient to let you understand that to receive the Holy Spirit in us, would be the same as to receiving Christ in us. Then how can we receive Christ in us?
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Jesus himself declared that when we receive His body and blood He remains in us and we in him, thus we receive Christ in us. Then how can we receive the body and the blood Christ? as per Jesus Himself:
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the PASSOVER… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then through the PASSOVER we can receive Jesus Christ in us, thus we receive the Holy Spirit in us as well.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of God, but by celebrating the Passover we can have confirmation from God that we have received the seal of God.
By: Bell on February 7, 2011
at 7:17 am
In Genny’s blog, she tries to prove how the Passover is not the seal of God, but that argument makes no sense whatsoever.
How can the Passover not be the seal of God, when the name of the feast itself means that something passes over (Pass – over), then what is that something that passes over? it is plagues and destruction.
The origins of the Passover and how the plagues passed over the people are a shadow through which we can find the way to escape the plagues in the last days:
Hebrews 10:1 — The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming — not the realities themselves…
in this verse the law means the old testament, but here it says that this law is only a shadow meaning that there must be a reality, who we all as Christians know is found in Christ.
1 Corinthians 5:7 — Get rid of the old yeast that yo may be a new batch without yeast — as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival…
in Hebrews 11:28, it is written, “By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.” This means that no destructive plague was brought upon the houses where the blood of the Passover lamb was sprinkled because it was a sign for them.
It was in 586 B.C. that Jerusalem was about to be devastated and Judah was about to be destroyed by Babylon’s attack. The prophet Jeremiah proclaimed the reason for the destruction of Judah as follows:
Jeremiah 11:1-4 — This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD: “Listen to the terms of ths covenant and tell them to the people of Judah and to those who live in Jerusalem. Tell them that this is what the LORD, the God if Israel, says: ‘Cursed is the man who does not obey the terms of this covenant — the terms I commanded your forefathers when I brought them out of Egypt, out the iron-smelting furnace.’ I said, ‘Obey me and od everything I command you, and you will be my people, and I will be your God.’”
It was on the day of the Passover that God brought them out of Egypt, the covenant God declared on that day was the Passover. The Israelites did not listen to what Jeremiah testified about, so they were invaded by Babylon and destroyed. In regard to this, Jeremiah testified again as follows.
Jeremiah 16:10-11 — “When you tell these people all this and they ask you, ‘Why has the LORD decreed such a great disaster against us? What wrong have we done? What sin have we committed against the LORD our God?’ then say to them, ‘It is because your fathers forsook me,’ declares the LORD, ‘and followed other gods and served and worshiped them. They forsook me and did not keep my law.’”
The law the Israelites forsook at that time was the Passover and therefore worshiped other gods. In the same way the Bible warns through Isaiah that the world would perish because the people broke the everlasting covenant:
Isaiah 24:1-5 — See, the LORD is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants- it will be the same for priest as for people…The earth will be completely lad waste and totally plundered. The LORD has spoken this word. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the exalted of the earth languish. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statues and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
If the breaking of the everlasting covenant is the reason why people are being destroyed, then those very few that are going to be left, will be left because they keep the everlasting covenant. Then what is the everlasting covenant? let us see:
Hebrews 13:20 — May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of Sheep,…
according to the scriptures, the eternal or everlasting covenant (both mean forever) has been established through blood. Then what is the only covenant in the bible established through blood and involving Jesus Christ?
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the Passover… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
The Passover of the new covenant is the everlasting covenant that will let us be protected in the last days. As it was from its origins, Passover is the way for plagues to “Pass-over” us, therefore it is the Seal of God.
By: Bell on February 8, 2011
at 3:16 am
Bell, the verses you keep reciting have to do with a “new” covenant; however, it seems to me that the COG is making this “new” covenant to be nothing more than the “old” covenant recycled with a different tool/ritual.
By: pierce on February 8, 2011
at 7:40 am
Someone wrote a post on a blog, where they explain that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit, and I quote:
“From these verses, it looks like the Holy Spirit seals us to show that we belong to Him when we believe…”
then they go on to quote the following verses to discredit the teaching of the World Mission Society Church of God that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Ephesians 1:13-14 — …Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…
Ephesians 4:30-32 — And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed…
But these verses do not contradict the teaching that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God. To understand this verses correctly, first you need to have a correct interpretation of the Trinity, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God. As the Bible explains Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 — You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you, And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
here the Spirit of God is referred to as the Spirit of Christ. Thus Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same one.
Acts 16:6-7 — …having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. …but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.
Here the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus are the same. Thus Jesus is the Holy Spirit. one more:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Galatians 4:6 — Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts…
There are more testimonies in the Bible about this, but I will omit them for the sake of space. The above verses should be sufficient to let you understand that to receive the Holy Spirit in us, would be the same as to receiving Christ in us. Then how can we receive Christ in us?
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Jesus himself declared that when we receive His body and blood He remains in us and we in him, thus we receive Christ in us. Then how can we receive the body and the blood Christ? as per Jesus Himself:
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the PASSOVER… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then through the PASSOVER we can receive Jesus Christ in us, thus we receive the Holy Spirit in us as well.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of God, but by celebrating the Passover we can have confirmation from God that we have received the seal of God.
By: Bell on February 8, 2011
at 10:01 am
@Bell Stop copying and pasting your false doctrines onto here. If we want to know of your false doctrines we will email you or go to the COGWMS website. I used to go to the church of god. But thank God I came out of it. I am barely recovering still of that traumatizing torture of a false church. I was scared for 3 years after I got out!!! Thinking the church of god members were going to come after me. Now I am not afraid anymore because I know God is with me. Please stop it just say why you believe your false church is the true one. Its okay to give some verses, but dont make a sermon. Have a nice day.
By: xxxxx on February 8, 2011
at 11:55 am
Now the only thing left for us to do, is to know what is the seal of God. Jesus Christ taught us about the Seal of God as follows:
John 6:27 — Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
In this verse we can see that on Christ is the seal of God, but now we are the ones who need the seal of God. Then how can we receive Christ in us?
John 6:53-55 — Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Jesus said that when we eat His flesh and drink His blood He will remain in us and we will remain in Him. According to this passage once we receive the body and the blood of Christ we can receive Christ who is the Seal of God, thus we will also have the Seal of God. Then the key to receiving the Seal of God is to receive the body and the blood of Christ, but how can we do that?
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the Passover… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
It was only on the Passover night that Jesus promised His body and blood, thus through the Passover we can receive the seal of God; the body and the blood of Christ.
Now according to revelation 7:1-4 the Seal of God is being brought by and angel from the east.
Revelation 7:1-3 — After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east (the rising of the Sun NASB), having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
But in whose viewpoint should we consider the east (or the rising of the sun as in the Greek bible)? It is not definitely my viewpoint or yours, but the writers viewpoint. Now where was John when he received the revelation?
Revelation 1:9 — I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was o the Island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
This lets us understand that the “East”, must be east of Patmos. Patmos is an island at the outskirts or Greece. And this is where John was when he saw the angel come from the east with the seal of God. The fact that John noted where he was when he wrote this prophecy, and the direction the angel was coming from means that it must be of some importance.
The island of Patmos sits on the parallel 37. If we follow the Parallel 37, which Patmos sits on, all the way to a land in the east (at the rising of the sun), we can find that it crosses right through South Korea.
Now skeptics will say: “What about Japan, technically that is where the sun rises?”. Now keep in mind that the seal of God is the Passover of the new covenant. As far as i know, no one from Japan has declared to preach the Passover of the new covenant. Yet from South Korea, only Christ Ahnsahnghong has preached the truth of the Passover of the New Covenant. Therefore He is the savior who brought back the Seal of God from the East.
Then, skeptics will also say: “Some other churches keep their OWN Passover?”
Stand by Church of God haters, whether you like it or not, you will hear why Church of God’s Passover is the true one, not the other churches. The purpose of this to give you all warning so in Judgement day, whether you listen or not, so that you will have no excuse.
Ezekiel 3:16-21 – 16 At the end of seven days the word of the LORD came to me: 17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 18 When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 19 But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself.
20 “Again, when a righteous person turns from their righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before them, they will die. Since you did not warn them, they will die for their sin. The righteous things that person did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 21 But if you do warn the righteous person not to sin and they do not sin, they will surely live because they took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”
By: Bell on February 8, 2011
at 12:17 pm
Bell, I don’t need anyone telling me how to get the Holy Spirit within me – the Holy Spirit resides within my spirit since the day I first believed.. The Bible says that our body is the temple of the Spirit in 1 Cor. 6:19 “What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own?”
What does this tell me? That there is no need for Zhang Gil-Jah, the Heavenly Mother, to be our Holy Spirit… why must there be a feminine physical manifestation when the Holy Spirit is within me… as a SPIRIT.
You can believe what you want to, Bell, but you can NOT tell me nor any of the other Christ-followers on here that we are not saved with all legit validity.
The Jesus Christ I know never once expected people to partake of rituals and principles.. He met the people where they were at. From the stories these ex-members tell, if they are true, then the Church of God is nothing but a pack of lies. Why do I say this? Jesus loved sinners, man. Jesus hung out with tax collectors and thieves, robbers and crooks, liars and prostitutes, and the filthiest of wretches.. and He showed them the love of the Most High God, and from that love they were transformed into Holiness… it was Christ’s LOVE that changed them, and it’s Christ’s love that changed me as well as every Christ-follower out there past to present, and NOT following a bunch of legalized do and don’t laws. Yes, sin is disgusting. Yes, sin makes God furious. But, that’s why Christ was the fulfillment of it all – we don’t have to offer sacrifices to God anymore, for Christ the sinless spotless God-man became sin for us, and died. But, it doesn’t end there. Christ was resurrected, because the grave cannot tolerate or hold God down. Christ was born a Jewish man, and that same physically Jewish body had scars to prove He was the same Jesus resurrected as He was when He died. He was glorified at the time, we know this because the WORD says He walked through walls and “appeared” seemingly from nowhere, so it can be assumed that Christ still has those scars to this day.. which means that the Christ which will come down from Heaven will be a physically Jewish man with scars to prove He is the same, and not some Korean bafoon with a fraudulent reign.
Yes, Christ will come soon and the end times are near, but don’t be so focused on the end times.. they already began when Christ was resurrected and ascended to heaven 2000+ years ago, and it will come to a close when He comes again.
Again, Bell… I am not saying this to argue or persuade you to believe any different than you do now, but know that you cannot tell me with all knowing power that I do not know the LORD, for I do. I don’t need to partake of the passover to know that I have the Holy Spirit – He reminds me daily when I am guilty of my sins.. when I feel the urge to love on someone whom I normally would feel no compassion for.. when I pray and seek God concerning something my heart desires, and He confirms it with a biblical scripture to give me the motion to carry on or let go in that area. Oh yes, I know God on a very personal level. I am so worthless and weak, powerless and ugly.. but He loves me so, and I worship Him daily with my life. Am I perfect? No. I lash out. I sometimes swear at God, and argue with Him.. but we settle things together. God and I are like that.. the relationship between my God and I, it’s something that can never be broken no matter how hard I try, because each time I feel like giving Him the finger and calling it quits, He smacks my face and lets me know just how real He truly is, and how undeserving of His love I am.. and that He deserves more worship than I could ever offer.
Blessings to all..
By: Pierce on February 8, 2011
at 12:36 pm
Everything written in the Bible is a copy and shadow of the things to come. By looking into the shadowy work in the Old Testament, we come to know and understand the things of the present or of the future.
1. Everything written in the past has become a lesson.
(Rom 15:4) For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us.
• Then, what was written in the past that God wanted us to understand?
• The prophet Malachi prophesied that there will be the appearance of the Elijah before the last destruction.
(Mal 4:1) “Surely that day is coming; it will burn like a furnace…”
(Mal 4:4-6) “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel. “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah…”
• God stated that we should remember the Law just before the end, but this law mentioned here by the prophet Malachi became Christ’s law which was fulfilled on the cross two thousand years ago by Jesus Christ. (Heb 7:11-12)
• This Elijah must also turn our hearts back to our Father (Mal 1:6) as stated in Malachi 4:5.
2. Then who is this Elijah that will appear in the last days just before the last destruction.
• When we study the history of Israel, we can clearly see the blueprint that God laid out for us in these last days. By studying the history of Israel we can the role of Elijah, where he will come from and why he will appear in the last days before the destruction.
• In Israel’s history there where many kings that played major roles for and against God’s people until the appearance of Elijah. King David was known for establishing Zion for God’s people. After David’s reign, King Solomon was known for being the one who built God’s temple (1 Kings 6:1). Toward the end of Solomon’s reign, he broke God’s covenant and sinned. As a result, God tore his kingdom into two areas (1 Kings 11:11). The Northern half was given to King Jeroboam and the Southern half was given to King Rehoboam.
• From northern Israel we can see the sin of King Jeroboam and how his actions became a shadow of things to come.
(1 Kings 12:25-33) “Here are your God’s, O Israel…And this thing became a sin”
• The first thing he die was make two golden calves, one in Bethel and the other in Dan, and in the eyes of God this thing became a SIN!
• Second, he instituted a festival that looked just like God’s festivals in Judah.
• Can we say that his festival is a sin? (Yes) because his festival is offered to an Idol.
• He also instituted a festival on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, a month of his own choosing
(Isa 1:10-16) “Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates”
• “When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you!”
• “Take your evil deeds out of my sight!”
• “Stop doing Wrong”
3. Ahab son of Omri did more evil in the eyes of the Lord.
(1 Kings 16:30-33) “He not only…commit the sins of Jeroboam…, but he married Jezebel…”
• He set up an altar for Baal in the temple of Baal.
• Ahab was known as the worst king and…”did more to provoke the Lord, the God of Israel, to anger than did all the kings of Israel before him.
(I Kings 17:1) “As the Lord, the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word.”
4. The mission and the appearance of Elijah.
(1 Kings 18:1-4, 16-21) In the third year Elijah went to present himself to Ahab.
• When Ahab saw Elijah he stated “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?”
• Elijah explained “You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baal’s”.
• Elijah summoned all 850 false prophets to meet him on Mount Carmel.
• “How long will you waver between two opinions?”
• When Elijah returned he found that no one had faith in the true God! (Shadow)
(1 Kings 18:22-29) “The god who answers by fire…he is God”
• The acts of the Baal worshipers. (Idol worship, dancing around, frantic prophesying…)
• Even thought they shouted, “there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.”
• Why? The bible teaches that when we worship idols or do not obey the commands of God, he hides his face from us and does not listen to our prayers. (Isaiah 1:15; Jeremiah 11:3, Jeremiah11:11-17; Ezekiel 8:18; John 9:31; Proverbs 28:9)
(1 Kings 18:30-40) “He repaired the altar of the Lord, which was in ruins.”
• Elijah rebuilt the altar of God using 12 stones.
• At time of evening sacrifice he prayed “I…have done all these things at your command…so these people will know that you O Lord, are God, and that you are turning their heart back again” (Proverbs 15:29)
• His prayer became a prophecy in Malachi 4:5 that would be fulfilled in the last days.
• Then, the fire of the Lord was revealed.
(Eccl 1:9) “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again”
(Eccl 3:15) “Whatever is has already been…God will call the past to account”
• The scriptures testify that Jesus is the fulfillment of King David. When David reigned as King he established Zion; this was to show how Jesus would establish Zion through the festivals of the New Covenant.
(2 Sam 17:21-23) Ahithophel’s betrayal and suicide by hanging…
• Ahithophel was David’s counselor. (2 Sam 15:2, 16:23)
(Matt 27:3-5) Judas’ betrayal of Jesus and suicide by hanging…
• Later after King David’s reign, Solomon took the throne. This history became a shadow of the apostles preaching after Jesus death on the cross.
• After King Solomon the nation was split into two, this was a shadow to show what would happen to the church after the Apostolic Age. The Church was divided into two, Eastern Church and the Western Church.
• Through Northern Israel we can see the sin of Jeroboam by his making feasts that look like God’s feast. The Church in Rome in the year A.D. 150 began to accept a different gospel that looked like the gospel of Christ.
• Then, who is the reality of Ahab and Jezebel?
(Rev 2:20) “Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess”
• The book of Revelations was written around A.D. 97-106 and John see’s the appearance of Jezebel after the apostolic age.
• Because of Ahab and Jezebel, the people began to serve Baal and worship many Idols which caused God to shut up the sky. Their disobedience caused them to lose their Rain and Dew for the next few years.
(Luke 4:25) “When the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a server famine” (1,260 days)
(James 5:17) “It did not rain on the land for three and a half years” (1,260 days)
• The, what is the meaning of shutting up the sky so that people will experience a great famine of no rain and no dew?
(Duet 32:2) “Let my teaching fall like rain and my words descend like dew”
(Amos 8:11) “But a famine of hearing the words of the Lord”
• Then, who became the reality of Ahab and Jezebel?
• Because of the Pope and Constantine, the church began to worship the Sun God and many idols.
• There was a great famine of hearing the words of God for 1,260 years!
(Hosea 2:8) “She has not acknowledged that I was the one…which they used for Baal”
• “I will stop all her celebrations…her Sabbaths…all her appointed Feats”
• “I will punish her for the days she burned incense to the Baals.”
• “But me she forgot, declares the Lord”
5. As prophesied in Malachi, there must be the Elijah who will appear to rebuild the Lord’s altar in the last days.
• Then, who is the Elijah that is to come in the last days?
• Elijah appeared from the East. (1 Kings 17:1) (Josh 17:5)
• He didn’t find faith with the people when he returned. (1 Kings 18:21)
• He rebuilt the altar with 12 stones.
• He revealed the truth of God by Fire!
This is a prophecy about Jesus who is to come again in the flesh to restore the truth and to seek his people in the last days.
(Rev 7:1-4) “Then I saw another angel (Christ) coming up from the East”
(Luke 18:8) “However, when the Son of Man (Christ) comes, will he find faith on the Earth?”
• This is the reality of Elijah finding no faith with the people when he returned. (2nd coming)
If Jesus came into this faithless world as the Last Judge, who would be saved? As Elijah had to rebuild the altar of the Lord, Christ himself must come a second time to restore all truth so that we can be saved.
(Luke 12:49) “I have come to bring fire on the Earth, and how I wish it were already kindle!”
(Jer 5:14) “I will make my words in your mouth like fire”
(Jer 23:29) “Is not my word like fire”
The meaning of Elijah is God – Jehovah ( Eli = God, Jah or Yaw = Jehovah). This was to show that God must come again in the last days as the prophetical Elijah to restore and rebuild the altar which was in ruins. Christ AhnSahngHong came in the last day as our Elijah. Father came from the east, rebuilt the altar of truth and exposed the characteristics of the Baal worshipers.
By: Bell on February 8, 2011
at 12:43 pm
850 Baal Worshippers and Elijah
Everything written in the Bible is a copy and shadow of the things to come. By looking into the shadowy work in the Old Testament, we come to know and understand the things of the present or of the future.
1. Everything written in the past has become a lesson.
(Rom 15:4) For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us.
• Then, what was written in the past that God wanted us to understand?
• The prophet Malachi prophesied that there will be the appearance of the Elijah before the last destruction.
(Mal 4:1) “Surely that day is coming; it will burn like a furnace…”
(Mal 4:4-6) “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel. “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah…”
• God stated that we should remember the Law just before the end, but this law mentioned here by the prophet Malachi became Christ’s law which was fulfilled on the cross two thousand years ago by Jesus Christ. (Heb 7:11-12)
• This Elijah must also turn our hearts back to our Father (Mal 1:6) as stated in Malachi 4:5.
2. Then who is this Elijah that will appear in the last days just before the last destruction.
• When we study the history of Israel, we can clearly see the blueprint that God laid out for us in these last days. By studying the history of Israel we can the role of Elijah, where he will come from and why he will appear in the last days before the destruction.
• In Israel’s history there where many kings that played major roles for and against God’s people until the appearance of Elijah. King David was known for establishing Zion for God’s people. After David’s reign, King Solomon was known for being the one who built God’s temple (1 Kings 6:1). Toward the end of Solomon’s reign, he broke God’s covenant and sinned. As a result, God tore his kingdom into two areas (1 Kings 11:11). The Northern half was given to King Jeroboam and the Southern half was given to King Rehoboam.
• From northern Israel we can see the sin of King Jeroboam and how his actions became a shadow of things to come.
(1 Kings 12:25-33) “Here are your God’s, O Israel…And this thing became a sin”
• The first thing he die was make two golden calves, one in Bethel and the other in Dan, and in the eyes of God this thing became a SIN!
• Second, he instituted a festival that looked just like God’s festivals in Judah.
• Can we say that his festival is a sin? (Yes) because his festival is offered to an Idol.
• He also instituted a festival on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, a month of his own choosing
(Isa 1:10-16) “Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates”
• “When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you!”
• “Take your evil deeds out of my sight!”
• “Stop doing Wrong”
3. Ahab son of Omri did more evil in the eyes of the Lord.
(1 Kings 16:30-33) “He not only…commit the sins of Jeroboam…, but he married Jezebel…”
• He set up an altar for Baal in the temple of Baal.
• Ahab was known as the worst king and…”did more to provoke the Lord, the God of Israel, to anger than did all the kings of Israel before him.
(I Kings 17:1) “As the Lord, the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word.”
4. The mission and the appearance of Elijah.
(1 Kings 18:1-4, 16-21) In the third year Elijah went to present himself to Ahab.
• When Ahab saw Elijah he stated “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?”
• Elijah explained “You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baal’s”.
• Elijah summoned all 850 false prophets to meet him on Mount Carmel.
• “How long will you waver between two opinions?”
• When Elijah returned he found that no one had faith in the true God! (Shadow)
(1 Kings 18:22-29) “The god who answers by fire…he is God”
• The acts of the Baal worshipers. (Idol worship, dancing around, frantic prophesying…)
• Even thought they shouted, “there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.”
• Why? The bible teaches that when we worship idols or do not obey the commands of God, he hides his face from us and does not listen to our prayers. (Isaiah 1:15; Jeremiah 11:3, Jeremiah11:11-17; Ezekiel 8:18; John 9:31; Proverbs 28:9)
(1 Kings 18:30-40) “He repaired the altar of the Lord, which was in ruins.”
• Elijah rebuilt the altar of God using 12 stones.
• At time of evening sacrifice he prayed “I…have done all these things at your command…so these people will know that you O Lord, are God, and that you are turning their heart back again” (Proverbs 15:29)
• His prayer became a prophecy in Malachi 4:5 that would be fulfilled in the last days.
• Then, the fire of the Lord was revealed.
(Eccl 1:9) “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again”
(Eccl 3:15) “Whatever is has already been…God will call the past to account”
• The scriptures testify that Jesus is the fulfillment of King David. When David reigned as King he established Zion; this was to show how Jesus would establish Zion through the festivals of the New Covenant.
(2 Sam 17:21-23) Ahithophel’s betrayal and suicide by hanging…
• Ahithophel was David’s counselor. (2 Sam 15:2, 16:23)
(Matt 27:3-5) Judas’ betrayal of Jesus and suicide by hanging…
• Later after King David’s reign, Solomon took the throne. This history became a shadow of the apostles preaching after Jesus death on the cross.
• After King Solomon the nation was split into two, this was a shadow to show what would happen to the church after the Apostolic Age. The Church was divided into two, Eastern Church and the Western Church.
• Through Northern Israel we can see the sin of Jeroboam by his making feasts that look like God’s feast. The Church in Rome in the year A.D. 150 began to accept a different gospel that looked like the gospel of Christ.
• Then, who is the reality of Ahab and Jezebel?
(Rev 2:20) “Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess”
• The book of Revelations was written around A.D. 97-106 and John see’s the appearance of Jezebel after the apostolic age.
• Because of Ahab and Jezebel, the people began to serve Baal and worship many Idols which caused God to shut up the sky. Their disobedience caused them to lose their Rain and Dew for the next few years.
(Luke 4:25) “When the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a server famine” (1,260 days)
(James 5:17) “It did not rain on the land for three and a half years” (1,260 days)
• The, what is the meaning of shutting up the sky so that people will experience a great famine of no rain and no dew?
(Duet 32:2) “Let my teaching fall like rain and my words descend like dew”
(Amos 8:11) “But a famine of hearing the words of the Lord”
• Then, who became the reality of Ahab and Jezebel?
• Because of the Pope and Constantine, the church began to worship the Sun God and many idols.
• There was a great famine of hearing the words of God for 1,260 years!
(Hosea 2:8) “She has not acknowledged that I was the one…which they used for Baal”
• “I will stop all her celebrations…her Sabbaths…all her appointed Feats”
• “I will punish her for the days she burned incense to the Baals.”
• “But me she forgot, declares the Lord”
5. As prophesied in Malachi, there must be the Elijah who will appear to rebuild the Lord’s altar in the last days.
• Then, who is the Elijah that is to come in the last days?
• Elijah appeared from the East. (1 Kings 17:1) (Josh 17:5)
• He didn’t find faith with the people when he returned. (1 Kings 18:21)
• He rebuilt the altar with 12 stones.
• He revealed the truth of God by Fire!
This is a prophecy about Jesus who is to come again in the flesh to restore the truth and to seek his people in the last days.
(Rev 7:1-4) “Then I saw another angel (Christ) coming up from the East”
(Luke 18:8) “However, when the Son of Man (Christ) comes, will he find faith on the Earth?”
• This is the reality of Elijah finding no faith with the people when he returned. (2nd coming)
If Jesus came into this faithless world as the Last Judge, who would be saved? As Elijah had to rebuild the altar of the Lord, Christ himself must come a second time to restore all truth so that we can be saved.
(Luke 12:49) “I have come to bring fire on the Earth, and how I wish it were already kindle!”
(Jer 5:14) “I will make my words in your mouth like fire”
(Jer 23:29) “Is not my word like fire”
The meaning of Elijah is God – Jehovah ( Eli = God, Jah or Yaw = Jehovah). This was to show that God must come again in the last days as the prophetical Elijah to restore and rebuild the altar which was in ruins. Christ AhnSahngHong came in the last day as our Elijah. Father came from the east, rebuilt the altar of truth and exposed the characteristics of the Baal worshipers.
By: Bell on February 8, 2011
at 12:46 pm
Bell, Bell, Bell
How many times are you going to tell us what is Passover?
Well something that passes over? It is plagues and destruction Right!
Do you collect world disaster pictures to instill fear into members and show how this Passover magic can save them from all disasters FYI There shall be famines, and pestilences Matthew 24:7 and rumors of wars. This must all happen. Any idea where the BIG NK missile is facing??
I suggest first love your neighbor North Korea and make a visit there as it needs a Zion soon. I ask you this because my Cog pastor friend was shaking in his pants when he read of how a Christian woman was executed for distributing the Bible there. So why fear. Don’t you cog’s have the magic Passover and mother God just next door in ZION. LOL
Recently South Korea the ZION also had to struggle to control foot-and-mouth epidemic. By the way they didn’t explain HOW they culled some of those animals. I believe they buried up to a million pigs ALIVE. They will surely find their way to the mound where Hong lies buried.
The second coming Korean Jesus from the east not only brought Passover but also the practice of eating pork. I know how you all desire to eat this meat. Do you have it at the Passover meal along with grape juice and Korean rice bread?
This is exactly how Satan leads the cog on foot in the malls and streets to trap poor souls and with your mouth spread the epidemic of false teachings. Now I understand why the demons did beg Jesus to allow them to enter the swine? Perhaps they were drawn to the unclean animals, a place of confinement to which evil spirits are doomed.
My pastor friend also shares a secret of how he got a non-Christian baptized in cog whose former religion belief basically refrain them from eating Pork and without his knowledge they have been giving him soup of this meat. I am like stunned.
What sort of crooked & wicked lives you follow. There is so much of deception in every respect with the WMSCOG and they think they can get away using BIBLE to defend themselves. You are still an unclean spirit.
As for the brainwashed Bell your long post will have no effect. Very soon your dear bros Elijah, Bro from Zion who got tired and had no answers will flock here to tell you “Don’t give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pig’s blah blah blah. Let us all find our lost bros & sis blah blah. You make us laugh. Oh, I love that finale.
And then another unclean pig follows the same thing………The End.
By: stella on February 9, 2011
at 4:22 am
The truth of the Passover, the Seal of God
How can the Passover not be the seal of God, when the name of the feast itself means that something passes over (Pass – over), then what is that something that passes over? it is plagues and destruction. This can be confirmed throughout the history in the Bible.
Someone claimed that the Holy Spirit is the Seal of God. Of course this is true. But the problem is that this someone is explaining HALF TRUTHS. Let’s see.
“From these verses, it looks like the Holy Spirit seals us to show that we belong to Him when we believe…”
then they go on to quote the following verses to discredit the teaching of the World Mission Society Church of God that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Ephesians 1:13-14 — …Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…
Ephesians 4:30-32 — And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed…
But these verses do not contradict the teaching that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God. To understand this verses correctly, first you need to have a correct interpretation of the Trinity, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God. As the Bible explains Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 — You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you, And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
here the Spirit of God is referred to as the Spirit of Christ. Thus Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same one.
Acts 16:6-7 — …having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. …but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.
Here the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus are the same. Thus Jesus is the Holy Spirit. one more:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Galatians 4:6 — Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts…
There are more testimonies in the Bible about this, but I will omit them for the sake of space. The above verses should be sufficient to let you understand that to receive the Holy Spirit in us, would be the same as to receiving Christ in us. Then how can we receive Christ in us?
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Jesus himself declared that when we receive His body and blood He remains in us and we in him, thus we receive Christ in us. Then how can we receive the body and the blood Christ? as per Jesus Himself:
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the PASSOVER… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then through the PASSOVER we can receive Jesus Christ in us, thus we receive the Holy Spirit in us as well.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of God, but by celebrating the Passover we can have confirmation from God that we have received the seal of God.
By: Bell on February 9, 2011
at 6:41 am
@Bell PLEASE BELL RESPOND TO ME. Read my story at the church of god on one of these pages. If you cant find it then I will give you my email so I can give you my story. I went there for 7 months on a daily basis. Read my story please. Besides did you know that Jews for Jesus (Messianic Jews I think thats who they are) practiced the Passover and Feasts long before the creation of the church of god? Or that other Christian denominations such as the Worldwide Church of God has been observing the Passover and Feasts about 25 years prior to Ahnsahnghongs baptism in 1948? Also please stop copying and pasting your false blasphemous doctrines on here. If anybody wants to know about your false church teachings we will ask a church of god member or go on your churches website. If you want to tell us as to why you or anybody should be in the church of god and believe in those false gods then tell us. You can give us a few verses too. But do NOT make a sermon. We dont want that. We dont want to hear your false blasphemous teachings from Korean people that pose as gods. Stop it. Shame on you. Ask your mother Jerusalem why she doesnt act like a real mother and leave Korea and look for her supposed children lost in the world if she is really concerned? Ask her why her children need to pay out of their own pockets to fund a trip to Korea while she has vast reserves of money on her and she could pay for the trips herself? I have other questions as well but just dwell on those two. Have a nice day.
By: xxxxx on February 9, 2011
at 10:03 am
jajaja. Yo seems to be an ex-member too. You know a lot.
By: X-COG Member on February 9, 2011
at 11:43 am
Common Characteristics of a Cult
1. Members swear total allegiance to an all-powerful leader who they believe to be the Messiah.
2. Rational thought is discouraged or forbidden.
3. The cult’s recruitment techniques are often deceptive.
4. The cult weakens the follower psychologically by making him or her depend upon the group to solve his or her problems.
5. The cults manipulate guilt to their advantage.
6. The cult leader makes all the career and life decision of the members.
7. Cults exist only for their own material survival and make false promises to work to improve society.
8. Cult members often work fulltime for the group for little or no pay.
9. Cult members are isolated from the outside world and any reality testing it could provide.
10. Cults are anti-woman, anti-child, and anti-family.
11. Cults are apocalyptic and believe themselves to be the remnant who will survive the soon-approaching end of the world.
12. Many cults follow an “ends justify the means” philosophy.
13. Cults, particularly in regard to their finances, are shrouded in secrecy.
14. There is frequently an aura of or potential for violence around cults.
symptoms:
Cult leaders are often psychopathic and power hungry. They teach their followers that the outside world is evil; that the cult offers the only salvation. This creates an atmosphere of isolation, leading to hopelessness.
Cult recruiters target people with low self-esteem, presenting the group as a loving surrogate family. Members are taught to do whatever the family asks. They must repress their individuality and work for the good of the group.
New people may receive red carpet treatment, but once they are established members, they may be exploited and abused. They may alter their personalities to please authority figures and fit into the group.
Cult leaders preach that society is on the brink of destruction, reinforced by isolating their members and controlling the flow of information within the cult. They manipulate members with guilt and fear.
Cults try to portray themselves as benign and may hide undesirable aspects of their operation from the public and from members. Thus the stereotype of “blind” followers.
By: stella on July 3, 2011
at 8:05 pm
God bless you all.
Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
If the Church of God is a Cult! Then Christianity itself is a cult
When reading the cult watch website you come across a section entitled: “How does the WMS Church of God brainwash its members?” In this section Ted goes through a checklist of what he calls “coercive techniques.” Ted considers these techniques as guidelines to qualify a group as a cult. However if we are going to judge what a cult is according to these techniques, then Christianity itself is the biggest cult to ever exist. How can this be possible? Let us see through verses from the Bible:
1) Cults Claim to Have all Knowing leadership:
John 21:17 {the third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.}
2) Cults only teach you up to what you are able to believe:
Hebrews 5:11 {We much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.}
3) Cults claim no room for differences (Everybody is the same):
Colossians 3:11 {Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.}
4) Cults claim to introduce a new and better way:
Hebrews 7:18-19 {the former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.}
5) Cult members should imitate cult leader:
Philippians 2:5 {your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus}
Also Colossians 3:11 of example 3.
6) Cults isolate you from your family:
Matthew 10:37 {anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me}
7) Cults Brainwash ignorant and people who have no critical thinking.
Acts 4:13 {when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.}
8) Cults Recruit people:
Mk 16:15-16 {He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned}
9) Cults always claim Persecution of the Leader:
Acts 22:6-8 {“About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.}
10) Cults have ignorant leaders:
John 7:14-16 {Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”}
11) Cults try to keep members busy:
Acts 2:46-47 {every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
12) Cult leaders always try to gain your trust:
John 14:1 {“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me}
13) Cults believe that by your actions you prove your faith:
James 2:17 {in the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, Is dead.}
14) Cults claim salvation is through obedience before the end comes:
Matthew 24:42 {“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.}
15) Cults make members dependant to the cult leader:
John 15:5 {“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.}
16) Cults claim that there is no exit apart from the cult:
John 6:67-68 {“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.}
17) Cult members claim to have “Spiritual Battles”:
Ephesians 6:12 {for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.}
18) Cults try to keep things secret:
Matthew 17:9 {As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”}
19) Cult leaders claim to be the only way, and supreme authority:
John 14:6 {Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.}
And for the sake of space and time, I omitted the teachings of: Judaism, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Copernicus, Galileo…etc.
If we are going to judge groups and organizations by these standards, then every single organization and religion is a cult. We should not judge the Church of God by these standards, rather we should see if the teachings that the Church practices come from God or not. To label the World Mission Society Church of God as a cult is no different from when the Jewish religious leaders called the Apostles a Nazarene sect. Please don’t commit the same mistake as 2,000 years ago.
Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
By: Bell on July 5, 2011
at 9:34 am
xxxxxx in which state you are? Or from what Zion you was?
By: X-COG Member on February 9, 2011
at 11:14 am
@X-COG Member Read my story on one of these pages. I think its on this one also. It will give you a hint. But I dont want to reveal where I attended or my name in case the COGWMS decides to sue me. And also erases my information on their registration book so they can say that I was never a member and Im lying about them. If you wanna know then send me a personal email and Ill get back to you. Have a great day.
By: xxxxx on February 9, 2011
at 4:16 pm
The true faith in Christ is by following the Law of Christ.
Many people now a days are confused about the Bible. Most of them think that by keeping the law they are cursed, or that they don’t have to keep the law anymore because Jesus saved us by faith. However, we must understand about what law the Bible talks about, and which law is the one that God is telling us to follow, or we will fall into error.
Galatians 2:21 “21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
According to the verse above, Apostle Paul said that Christ sacrifice to bear our sins are useless if we need the law to become righteous. But the following verse says that Apostle Paul doesn’t nullify the law rather he uphold or keep it even thought he knew that grace of God can be gained through faith in Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:31 “31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.”
Without understand these matter, we can easily misunderstood the Bible and be in error of the Scriptures.
Matthew 22:29 “Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.”
How many kind of law exist in the Bible?
1 Corinthians 9:20-23 “To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.”
Apostle Paul who is an apostle of Christ said to the Church of God in Corinth that he is under the law of Christ.
Galatians 6:2 “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.”
There is not just the law of Moses but also the law of Christ. Which law should we keep?
Hebrews 8:7 “For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
But God found fault with the people and said:
“The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
This promise can be found in: (Jeremiah 31:31)
At the time of Jeremiah, the Israelites were already keeping the Old Covenant through Moses law. But God said that He is going to make a New Covenant in the future. He will put His law in the heart of the people so that they can know God and their sins will be forgiven.
Who came and made the New Covenant?
Luke 22:13-15 “They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer…And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me. “In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
Jesus made the New Covenant through the Passover so that our sins can be forgiven. So, was prophecy fulfilled? Yes. Through the New Covenant Passover God is our God and we are God’s children. By making the New Covenant, the Old one disappears. This happened when Jesus came, then we as children of God what should we follow? We must also follow the New Covenant.
Why?
Hebrew 7:11 “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?2For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.”
Because perfection was never attained through the Old Covenant that is why a new priest has to come in the order of Melchizedek. Do you know who came in the order of Melchizedek?
Hebrew 6:20 “where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
Jesus came as a High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. That is why now we are under Christ’s law. But people are in error because they don’t know the scriptures. The law of Moses disappeared when Christ came.
How can we distinguish among the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ?
What is the Law of Moses?
What is the Law of Christ?
Christ Ahnsahnghong showed us the difference about the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ through these verses:
Acts 15:1 “Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”
When we read this whole chapter we will be able to understand how people had disagreements because of the Law of Moses. But what does circumcision in Christ means?
Colossians 2:11 “In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.”
Circumsicion means Baptism. That is why Jesus said that through Him all the laws are fulfilled. Because Jesus change the way on how to worship God.
Galatians 3:26-28 “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
We are all baptized in Christ to be saved. That is why Jesus set the example for us to follow.
How about the Law of the Sabbath?
Many people said this is only for the Old Testament, however, Jesus also kept the Sabbath, not because He was following the law of Moses but because He was setting an example for us to keep the true Sabbath of the New Covenant in spirit and truth. If we look at the Old Testament we can see that the regulations to keep the Sabbath were extremely hard to follow.
Number 28:9 “On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil. This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering.”
The Sabbath in the Old Testament was so difficult to keep, they did not only have to bring two lambs on that day, but also they couldn’t do any type of work otherwise they were stone to death. But how about now, how did Jesus told us to keep the Sabbath?
Luke 4:16-21 “He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
”The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
Jesus’ example was to go on the Sabbath to church, read from the scriptures, and preach the good news of the Kingdom of heaven so that the blind can see and the prisoners can be released. Jesus fulfilled the law of the Sabbath so that we can learn how to worship God in Spirit and Truth.
How about the law of the Passover?
According to the Old Testament these is the way the Israelites kept the Passover:
Exodus 12:6-11 “The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts. Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’s Passover.”
This is the way that they kept the Passover, and not only this, if you check (Exodus 12:43) you can see even more regulations. How about when Jesus came? Even though He was a Jew, did He kept the Passover according to the Law of Moses?
Luke 22:13-20 “They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer….. And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
Obviously you can see the difference among the two laws. Jesus never abolished the Law, the only thing He did was to change the ways to worship God and the ways on how to keep each Feast of God according to the New Covenant; but people does not realize it. Why? Why is the people so blind to see the truth? What is really happening?
Christ Ahnsahnghong testify to us the reason of the matter through this verse:
Revelation 12:9,17 “The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him….Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.”
Christ Ahnsahnghong testified that people now a days don’t keep God’s law because satan who was send down to this world is leading everyone astray and making war against the children of God who wants to obey God’s commandments and laws. We can’t be fooled by satan, up to now we have been following the scheme he has created to destroy us which is changing God’s commandments and replacing it by feast and days that are based in pagan traditions such us: (Sunday worship, Easter, Communion, Christmas, Halloween, Thanksgiving) and many other traditions of men. Search if you want, search the origin of each one of these traditions and you will be very surprised to find out that all these years you have been deceived by satan.
Christ Ahnsahnghong came to allow us to realized the truth, however, we reject His precious teachings. On the other had, if you are truly a child of Almighty God you must understand the truth and keep it.
Revelation 14:12 “This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.”
1 John 2:3-6 “We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.”
John 8:44-47 “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!….If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Then what should you do? Do you want to continue following satan and be destroyed? I hope not. That is why Christ Ahnsahnghong, second coming Christ, came. Christ Ahnsahnghong established the Church of God World Mission Society, Zion, so that the true children of God can be save by obeying what God commands, that is the only way we can show God that we love Him and we can finally enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
By: Bell on February 9, 2011
at 1:10 pm
XXXXX how can Bell have a nice day? He needs to see a Psychiatrist. MJ has screwed their brains. its is really sad indeed
Bell like other cog members has no answers or his either his motive is to overload this website’s server by posting inordinate amount of post that will eventually result in a site being unable to operate. This is one of the tactics hackers use and WMSCOG has high regard for them.
Jamie please you need to do some editing
By: stella on February 9, 2011
at 3:32 pm
Passover The Way to Truly Love God and receive Eternal Life.
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
By: Bell on February 9, 2011
at 11:29 pm
Even if they do sue, remember that that would only show all the more how unchristian they truly are. Paul tells the church in the New Testament (I forget where but I can google it if someone really wants validation), that we should not have quarrels within the church, nor outside the church with our brethren. Instead, all matters should be peaceably dealt with in an honest and genuine matter when disputes arise, and the church is NOT to look for the answer of the court to find solutions for issues between the church..
Also, they can only fight within the bounds of law. I suppose they could be tactful, but they’d have to know exactly what they’re suing you for. How many times have you heard of a Catholic/Protestant church or a Jewish synagogue suing someone because they made the church out to be fraudulent? Hahaha, it would only prove the COG is so insecure about their validity that they feel they must prove themselves.
And Bell……… how many times do I have to flippin’ tell you how silly it is to call Jesus Christ a Korean man named AHN SANG HONG!?!?! I mean, I’m all for Korea, I love Koreans, but it’s just not right that God would reincarnate His one and only Son from a Jewish man to a Korean man. And you never answered me, dearest Bell.. was Ahn Sang Hong born into a Buddhist family or not? You don’t know, do you?
By: Pierce on February 10, 2011
at 12:01 am
Bell who is Mother Jerusalem? Do you think she is omniscient? No answer for this one too
Let me tell you. Mother Jerusalem represents today the feminist movement who has bought the oldest lie back. Like Eve, who ate the forbidden fruit at the invitation of the serpent with the promise that she would become as a god and never die? She has been deceived by Satan, and is trying to pass on the forbidden fruit to you gullible COG people
I would also like to put here the fabricated tale of these two frauds created by your own members left on the post up here.
Bell says_
Christ Ahsahnghong said that there is our God the Mother Heavenly Mother in heaven.
Lizzie said Mother Jerusalem created Mother Mary
The Bible shows us Mary’s genealogy and how she gave birth to Jesus
Cog preaches Jesus came as Ahnsahnghong the second time and died
One of their member says that M.J and Ahn were married
The bride of Christ (Hmm!! Hong marrying his mother)
The wedding picture was shown only to Joo Cheol their page boy.
So what does all this tell you? Think carefully!
Breaking the commandments, adultery, Re-marriage and that MJ is nothing but a JEZEBEL
This Korean female to prove she is God gives gift to US navy based in korea visiting fire and police dept, can win court cases, receiving awards, medals and certificates even from ex president who she did not even know would commit suicide. God is supposed to be all knowing.
How could she forget the most imp scripture from the bible-The Bible says when you do alms; let not your left hand know what your right hand does.
Harden not your heart Bell and continue to remain in sin by believing in false Gods. Repent before it is too late.
God Bless all the ex-cog members who are now free and my prayers to Genny, Pierce and others, for having enlightened so many minds. Keep up the good work!
By: stella on February 10, 2011
at 5:21 am
Response with no Response…. The Seal of God.
So here is a valid question someone made on one of the anti-church of God blog about their explanation as to what the Seal of God is. Take at look at the response which is just a circular argument with no concrete answer.
Anonymous said…
If the seal is the holy spirit? Then what is the seal the angel from the east brings in revelation 7. As far as I know revelation 7 is about the last days, but the holy spirit was given on the day of Pentecost. So I’m a little confused. Can you explain. Because if I understand your interpretation correctly and the seal of God is the holy spirit, we should not be able to receive it until the last days and until we meet that angel from the east. Please explain.
ANTI COG said…
…Yes, the Holy Spirit came on the Day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2), but that wasn’t a one-time occurence. Since then, the Holy Spirit can be seen at work throughout the book of Acts, and throughout the history of the church, even up to the present day.
Since the Bible says that the Holy Spirit puts His seal of ownership on us when we believe, and the Spirit has been working since the second chapter of Acts, then it seems to me that PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING THIS SEAL AT LEAST SINCE THE EARLY CHURCH….
Anonymous said…
… I just asked a question to your biblical interpretation it kind of doesnt make sense to me. If the Seal of God has been here since the day of pentecost, then why is there need for the angel from the east to bring it in the last days?
Why would you bring something that is already here?
ANTI COG said…
…In the meantime, if my explanation doesn’t make sense to you, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS OF WHAT THIS SEAL MAY BE? WHAT DO YOU THINK?
If you haven’t any ideas at all, YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO A KEYWORD SEARCH OF THE BIBLE FOR “SEAL” AND SEE WHAT COMES UP.
Anonymous said…
mmmm… no i rather not make my own interpretations. I dont want to be cursed by God if my interpretation is not correct.if you are not sure just be careful.
I DONT WANT TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORD OF GOD.
ANTI COG said…
…But I agree that we must be careful. It is important to safeguard yourself from misunderstandings by having a good knowledge of BASIC AND WELL-ESTABLISHED BIBLICAL TRUTHS SO THAT YOU DO NOT INADVERTENTLY CONTRADICT THEM.
But I am not meaning to ask you to make an interpretation of what the seal may be. I just meant to ask if you would look at what the Bible directly says. IT TAKES NO “INTERPRETING” TO DO THAT. If you search the NIV for “seal” on BibleGateway.com you get 63 hits. …
Now for your question, “If the Seal of God has been here since the day of pentecost, then why is there need for the angel from the east to bring it in the last days? Why would you bring something that is already here?”
MUCH OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS SYMBOLIC. GOD HAD TO SHOW JOHN THESE THINGS “THAT MUST SOON TAKE PLACE” IN A WAY THAT JOHN COULD UNDERSTAND. (REV. 1:1)
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME JOHN HAS SEEN THE ANGEL WITH THE SEAL. IT COULD BE THAT THE ANGEL HAS BEEN ROAMING THE EARTH THIS WHOLE TIME WITH THE SEAL, AND GOD IS SHOWING JOHN WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW THAT THE ANGEL IS COMPLETING THE SEALING.
…If that were the case, we could not know what the seal is, since it could be nothing that was done in the Bible or church history. And in that case, we shouldn’t guess at what it might be because, as you say, we don’t want to add or take away from the word of God.
Anonymous said…
It doesn’t necessarily mean something new, it could be something that was here once, it was taken away and then the Angel is bringing it back. …your answer is not confident at all, i mean from your responses i can see that you are not sure that what you are saying is really true what if you are wrong and they are right. What about then? You confidently say that they are wrong, but you are not even sure that you are right.
1 Corinthians 4:5 – Therefore JUDGE NOTHING before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
ANTI COG said…
You said, “it could be something that was here once, it was taken away and then the Angel is bringing it back.”
ALRIGHT, I COULD ACCEPT THAT. But if that was it, then it still couldn’t be Passover, or the Sabbath, or the Holy Spirit’s seal of the believer. All of those have been around, somewhere or another, since the early church.
…You said, “You confidently say that they are wrong, but you are not even sure that you are right.”
There are many things in the Bible that are quite clear, and so it is also clear when someone is wrong about those things (such as the way to salvation or who Jesus is).
Other things are not so clear (such as who the rider of the white horse is in Rev. 6:2). It could be one thing or another. IT WOULD BE FOOLISH OF ME TO SAY THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY, FOR CERTAIN ONE THING, WHEN THERE IS ALSO EVIDENCE FOR ANOTHER INTERPRETATION.
As Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:12, “Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.”
For the WMSCOG to take such an absolute stand on those things that do have alternate possibilities, to the exclusion of any other point of view that has merit–yes, I do think that is wrong of them.
They do that because they think their gods (Ahnsahnghong and “Mother”) must be right about everything they say, so there is no room for any other possibility. But if Ahnsahnghong and “Mother” are NOT gods, then their teachings are just like everyone else’s–human interpretations.
PERHAPS YOU’D LIKE TO LOOK AT WHETHER AHNSAHNGHONG WAS REALLY GOD IN THE FLESH?
In their statements they say that there is many possibilities as to what the seal of God might be (Passover could be one of them). The only reason i wanted to point out this conversation is to show the readers how the ANTI Church of God people biggest problem is not the teachings of the World Mission Society Church of God, but the fact that we believe Christ Ahnsahnghong is God.
They did not answer the question at all, but concluded the argument with the statement: “…Perhaps you’d like to look whether Ahnsahnghong was really God in the flesh?”
If you are going to debate the teachings of the World Mission Society Church of God and Christ Ahnsahnghong, at least bring some concrete evidence on the table. At least provide some confident alternative, not a bunch of “what if?”.
As far as the Answer to the question, it makes more sense that the Passover is the Seal of God being restored from the East.
Jn. 10:31-33 – 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “WE ARE NOT STONING YOU FOR ANY GOOD WORK,” they replied, “BUT FOR BLASPHEMY, BECAUSE YOU, A MERE MAN, CLAIM TO BE GOD.”
By: Bell on February 10, 2011
at 5:55 am
Lol, i haven’t been here for such a long time.
Stella…go get educated. stop putting words in our mouth.
the wedding photo are shown to all members who visit oversea.
Who told u ahnsahnghong married his mother? No cog member on this blog ever mention that nonsense.
you’re uneducated in the cog doctrine, and yet you criticize. people like you have no standards..
By: Lol on March 4, 2011
at 10:41 am
Passover, and the Reason Disasters Pass Over
Nowadays, so many disasters come upon this world. It was already prophesied in the Bible.
Mt. 24:6-8 『6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.』
God established the Passover to destroy the devil and give His children eternal life. Whoever dwells in Zion knows well the importance of the Passover. Now, we need to consider more carefully why disasters pass over us when we celebrate the Passover.
What is the true meaning of the Passover? What is the source of the power of the Passover to liberate us from disasters? Let’s study over these matters through the Bible, with a humble and modest attitude before God.
Escape from disasters through the blood of the Passover lamb
Passover is God’s appointed feast, which was established over 3500 years ago. When the Israelites lived as slaves in Egypt, God commanded Pharaoh to release Israel from Egypt. However, he refused God’s command, and God brought ten plagues upon Egypt. The tenth plague, the slaying of the firstborn, was about to fall upon Egypt on the night of the fourteenth day of the first month in the sacred calendar: God let the plague of death pass over the houses that had the blood of the Passover lamb on the sides and tops of the doorframes. This was the day of the Passover.
Ex 12:11-13 『”This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’S Passover. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn―both men and animals―and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.”』
That day, all the firstborn of Egypt were killed, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon. In Egypt there was not a house without someone dead (Ex 12:29-30). However, the Israelites, who painted the lamb’s blood on the doorposts and lintels of their houses, were saved from the plague of the firstborn in Egypt.
Ex 12:23 『When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.』
Here, we need to carefully consider why the plague of death passed over the people of Israel. It was not because of the people celebrating the Passover that the plague passed over, but because of the blood of the Passover lamb. Neither a wise man’s house nor a rich man’s house full of worldly treasures nor an influential royal family’s palace could escape the plague. Only the house marked with the blood of the Passover lamb was saved from the plague.
It is because of the blood of the Passover Lamb in us that we can escape disasters, not because we ourselves who celebrate the Passover are powerful. We have to carefully consider this: Because God protects us and wraps us with His invisible love and grace, all disasters are avoided, evil gods are judged, and we are redeemed from this sinful world. So, do not just consider the Passover itself, but feel the hand of God who guards and protects us through the Passover.
The really dreadful being
Let me tell you a fable. One day a fox met a tiger. The fox told the tiger, “Do you know that animals fear me more than you?” He claimed that he was the most dreadful animal in the forest.
The tiger, who claimed to be king of the animals, was amazed at the audacity of the beast that seemed to fall down if he kicked him once with his hind leg. Then the fox told him, “If you do not believe me, then follow me to the forest. You will see whether or not all the beasts fear me.”
The fox said confidently to the tiger. Being suspicious, the tiger followed on the heels of the fox. As the fox walked along with the tiger, the animals were all terribly frightened and ran away. All the beasts―small ones like rabbits and even bears, huge and strong―fled away.
“Now you can see for yourself. There’s no animal that is not afraid of me.”
The fox said proudly. But actually, the beasts were fleeing the tiger himself and not the fox marching before him.
Sometimes we see a similar thing happen around us. Some adults are weak-kneed and fearful even before children. In this case, their parents are financially well off and influential. Actually, they do not fear the children themselves, but their background.
The devil our enemy can do us no harm and retreats when we preach the truth. It is because of the blood of the Passover Lamb in us. God’s judgment were brought upon all the gods of Egypt on the Passover. From this we can see that what the devil fears most is the blood of the Passover Lamb.
Christ, the Passover Lamb
The apostles testified that Christ is the reality of the Passover lamb.
1 Co 5:7-8 『Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast―as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival . . .』
The Bible tells us that we are to celebrate the Festival, the Passover, for Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us, shedding His precious blood. It is really not because we are great and powerful that the devil fears us, but because the precious blood of Christ is given to us.
1 Pe 1:18-19 『For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.』
Eph 1:7 『In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace』
It is not with our wisdom and knowledge that we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins, but through the blood of Christ. The Bible tells us that salvation does not come from us, but only through the precious blood of Christ.
If we consider that we come to salvation because of the blood of Christ sacrificed for us, we can understand why we should obey God’s will and humble ourselves before God.
Christ’s flesh and blood in the Passover
Concerning the blood of the Passover Lamb with which we are redeemed from the empty way of life and from sin and death, Jesus taught us as follows:
1 Jn 6:53-57 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him . . . so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』
Not only disasters but even sin and death flee from us by the blood of Christ. To put His precious blood into us, God has given us the Passover, the truth of life.
Mt 26:17-19, 26-28 『”‘. . . My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover . . . While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”』
Lk 22:7-8, 19-20 『. . . Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.” . . . And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”』
The Passover is the covenant God has established through His own blood. Without the blood of the Passover Lamb, we can neither escape disasters nor repel the devil. So Christ, the reality of the Passover lamb, has given us the Passover bread and wine as His flesh and blood. He has promised that if we eat His flesh and drink His blood, we remain in Him, and He in us.
Nevertheless, many churches today claim that the Passover doesn’t have to be observed. Are they right? Without the blood of the Passover Lamb, we are apt to be attacked by Satan. For this reason, God has told that if anyone does not celebrate the Passover, he must be cut off from God’s people.
Nu 9:10-13 『”Tell the Israelites: ‘When any of you or your descendants are unclean because of a dead body or are away on a journey, they may still celebrate the LORD’S Passover . . . But if a man who is ceremonially clean and not on a journey fails to celebrate the Passover, that person must be cut off from his people because he did not present the LORD’S offering at the appointed time. That man will bear the consequences of his sin.'”』
If anyone is cut off from God’s people, he will fail to escape disasters and be saved―he will be destined to hell. In the Old Testament times, God’s people could escape the plagues by putting the blood of the Passover lamb on the doorposts and lintels of their houses. In the New Testament times, we can be saved from disasters by eating the flesh of Jesus―the Passover Lamb―and drinking His blood. So God clearly says that without keeping the Passover nobody can be God’s people―he must be cut off from God’s people.
Sacred love contained in the precious blood of Christ
Why does the precious blood of Christ have the power to make disasters pass over? Because it contains His extreme love and sacrifice. The prophet Isaiah prophesied the appearance of Jesus who would come 700 years later as follows:
Isa 53:1-12 『. . . He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.』
We ourselves sinned, but Christ Himself bore the penalty for our sins. Bearing our sins, He was pierced and His body was torn with thorns; He willingly laid down His life for us on the cross. In this He demonstrated His own self-sacrificial love for us. He shed His precious blood for proof that He loved us. So, the destroying angel and even the devil our wicked enemy who know such a story very well, dare not touch us.
In the blood of the Passover covenant is included the love of Christ who has given us life by suffering the extreme pain of His flesh being torn and His blood being shed. All things are subjected to the blood of His sublime sacrifice, to His sacred love.
With such sacrificial blood we are sealed. By the power of the blood, all disasters pass over us.
Ps 91:7-11 『A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you make the Most High your dwelling―even the LORD, who is my refuge―then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;』
The blood of the Passover lamb in the Old Testament was put on the doorframes and lintels of their houses. In the New Testament, however, the blood of the Passover Lamb is marked on our foreheads and hearts through the new covenant. So, even if the destroying angel comes near us, when he sees the blood of Christ in us, he passes over us. A thousand may fall at our side, ten thousand at our right hand, no disaster comes near us who are sealed by the precious blood of the Lamb in the truth of the Passover, the new covenant. That’s why we can be saved from disasters through the Passover.
Give thanks for the sacrificial love in faith
We are here today owing to the extreme suffering of Christ. Considering this, we have nothing to boast about in the presence of God. We are nothing, absolutely nothing. What is really great and dreadful is the sacrificial blood of the Passover Lamb that makes us become the children of the everlasting kingdom of heaven. So we must not become conceited or proud in heart.
1 Co 4:7 『For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?』
It is foolish for us to hold ourselves at the center of our faith. We can not boast of ourselves; everything we have comes from God: our knowledge, wisdom, good understanding of the Bible, and so on. Those who understand this always cherish the love of Christ; they are patient and kind; they do not boast; they are not proud, just as it is written in 1 Corinthians 13. However, those who forget such mighty grace become conceited or arrogant. The Bible says that God will weep in secret because of our pride.
Some ask, “Does it matter whether or not we commit any sin as we celebrate the Passover?” They greatly misunderstand the Bible. The precious blood of the Passover Lamb is the eraser that removes our sin. On the contrary, our sin dishonors the precious blood of Christ. God has forgiven all our sins, committed in heaven, through the precious blood of Christ. How dare we dishonor and insult the precious blood? If we do, His blood is no more effective for us. Though one’s name is written in the book of life, it may be blotted out of it. So the Bible tells us to hold fast what we have, so that no one will take our crown―the crown of life.
We are to cherish the precious blood of Christ, given to us by His sublime grace. We are most proud of having the forgiveness of sins and eternal life through the Passover. However, what good is it if we do not understand the sacrificial love contained in it? Thinking of the grace and love God has given us, we children of Zion shall give thanks in everything and be joyful always.
We should preach the gospel to all people around the world who still do not know the Passover and are fallen away from salvation and the grace of God, so that they may also cherish the precious blood of Christ in them. We are all here today because of the precious blood of our heavenly Father and Mother, given to us through Their sacrifice. With a more humble heart, let us always give glory to our heavenly Father and Mother and receive abundant blessing.
By: Bell on March 13, 2011
at 9:02 am
The WMSCOG says that Adam and Eve prophetically represent the Last Adam and the Last Eve in these last days. They say the Last Adam is Ahnsahnghong, and as his wife, the Last Eve is “Mother Jerusalem.”
HOWEVER—
In “Visitors from the Angelic World” Ahnsahnghong wrote (on page 55, chapter 13):
“Jesus is the last Adam, and the saints who are redeemed can be called the last Eve.”
By: genny on March 21, 2011
at 2:20 pm
Good Point Jenny.
By: X-COG Member on March 27, 2011
at 10:31 pm
The Bible is full of prophesies and mysteries of God. Some Christians claim nobody knows the plans of God, but according to the Bible that’s a statement that did not come from God:
AMOS 3:7 “Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.”
Those who do not know the plans of God are regarded as false prophets. But at the Church of God World Mission Society we know all the truths of the Bible because the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed everything to us because the Bible testifies about Him (John 5:39). Let’s understand Christ Ahnsahnghong through the prophecy of the last Adam.
1Cor 15:45 Apostle Paul explains that the last Adam is a “life-giving spirit”. The only One with the authority to give life to the soul is God Himself, then, Who is Adam?
THE LAST ADAM
In Romans 5:14 Apostle Paul clearly testified that Adam is a pattern of the One to come, that is Second Coming Christ who will appear in the last days. But what’s His purpose? As we read on 1 Cor 15:45, the purpose of Second Coming Christ appearing is to give eternal life. Then how did first coming Christ, Jesus, give eternal life? We need to understand this pattern of giving us eternal life because He will give us also eternal life in the same way when He returns.
JESUS PROMISES ETERNAL LIFE
John 6:53 “Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man an drink hi blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal lifeI will raise im up at the last day.>”
In the Book of Matthew 26:17-27 we can see the Feast through which Jesus promised His flesh and His blood is the Passover. Only on that night He promised to give us eternal life. Therefore, whoever brings the Passover again is no other than Jesus Himself.
Who has brought the truth of life in these last days? Only the Last Adam, Second Coming Christ can bring the Passover. However, the One who brought the Passover is Christ Ahnsahnghong. He is Second Coming Christ, Last Adam. This may seem hard to accept but think about this: Why is it easy beleive in first coming Christ when He appeared in the flesh but you find it difficult that He is here now in the same generation that you live in? Please come to Church of God World Mission Society and study about the Last Adam Christ Ahnsahnghong and receive eternal life. LET’S BELIEVE CHRIST AHNSAHNGHONG, THE 2ND COMING CHRIST, THE SAME JESUS WHO CAME 2000 YEARS AGO ACCORDING TO THE PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE WHO PROMISED TO COME BACK A SECOND TIME AS THE LAST ADAM. CLEARLY CHRIST AHNSAHNGHONG IS JESUS HIMSELF WHO IS JEHOVAH IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. THEY ARE ONE AND SAME GOD WHO APPEARED IN DIFFERENT AGES IN DIFFERENT NAMES ACCORDING TO THE PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE. GOD BLESS YOU.
By: Bell on March 29, 2011
at 4:24 pm
Bell, as I have said plenty of times on here: if Ahn Sang Hong is Korean, and the Jesus Christ that walked this earth 2000 years ago was Jewish, once again, how could a Korean Christ named Ahn Sang Hong (with not even an ounce of Jewish blood) possibly be even close to the exact same Jesus? No.. when Jesus was resurrected from the grave, He certainly was superhuman (He could, after all, walk through walls). But, as much as He was superhuman, He was in fact still human as He showed the scars to Thomas and the other disciples. His body is glorified and new, and yet the appearance is quite the same as before. I believe when Jesus comes back, this will be the exact same Jesus that came 2000 years ago – the Jewish man with scars revealing He was at one time crucified, and the glory to prove He is worthy of ruling a kingdom!
By: Pierce on March 30, 2011
at 12:01 am
Alright, Bell
So who is the Last Eve?
Is it “Mother Jerusalem” as the WMSCOG teaches?
or the Saints (the Church) as Ahnsahnghong wrote?
By: genny on March 30, 2011
at 9:57 am
Nowadays, many churches claim to read the Bible. However, they couldn’t understand it. Why? The reason is their spiritual eyes and ears are closed. First, let’s remember that our thinking is different from God’s thinking.
Isa. 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
Jn. 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” 13 The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.” 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
The Bible is the Words of God that contains the hidden mystery of God in order for God’s children to have eternal life. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW GOD’S WORDS, BUT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE OF IT. ONLY GOD HIMSELF CAN EXPLAIN TO US THE BIBLE AND OUR GOD THE FATHER WILL COME AS ROOT OF DAVID TO REVEAL US THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Rev. 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Let’s check some examples in the Bible that many people think its a contradiction but they just don’t understand the entire of the Bible.
Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
JESUS = LAMB IN THE BIBLE
Jn. 21:15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
Jn. 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
SAINTS = LAMB IN THE BIBLE
Without knowing who the Root of David is, we can never understand the Bible. CHRIST AHNSAHNGHONG CAME AS THE ROOT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE AND ESTABLISHED ZION AND EXPLAINED ALL THE MYSTERIES OF THE BIBLE SO THAT WE MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. PLEASE DON’T JUST MERELY JUDGE QUICKLY SOMETHING YOU DON’T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE OF IT! PLEASE COME TO ZION OUR CHURCH AND WE’LL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO YOU THROUGH THE BIBLE. WE CAN TEACH THE BASIC TOPICS HERE BUT WE ONLY TEACH THE DEEPER THINGS THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER AND MOTHER HAVE THOUGHT US IN ZION. WHY?
Mt. 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Mt. 13:11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 FOR THIS PEOPLE’S HEART HAS BECOME CALLOUSED; THEY HARDLY HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.
1 Cor. 2:12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
He Who Has an Ear Hears God’s Voice
Most churches today claim to hear the word of God. Actually, they do not understand the meaning of God’s word. The Bible says that they have an uncircumcised ear. How about us? We have eyes to see, ears to hear and minds to understand. Giving thanks to God, let’s see what the uncircumcised ear means, through the Bible.
Those who have an uncircumcised ear
People commonly say of the person who is slow in understanding what others say, “He has a bad ear.” Likewise, the Bible says of him who does not understand what God says, “He has an uncircumcised ear.”
Many people around us claim to believe in God, but they do not make out what God’s will is and take it wrong. God said, “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy” (Ex 20:8). However, they keep other day, not understanding God’s word. That’s why the Bible says that they have an uncircumcised ear.
Jer 6:10-15, KJV To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? Behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it. Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days. …
Through the Bible, God showed us the way to the truth and salvation. However, those who have an uncircumcised ear do not understand what God’s true will is. They are not concerned to obey God’s word, which is offensive to them. So God’s anger against them burns and He says that He cannot hold it in any longer.
See today’s churches! Do they obey God’s word? If they obeyed, how could they ignore the word, “Worship no idol” or “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy?” If they obeyed, how could they easily turn away from God’s holy feasts?
Isa 42:18-20 “Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see! Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is blind like the one committed to me, blind like the servant of the LORD? You have seen many things, but have paid no attention; your ears are open, but you hear nothing.”
Mt 13:14-17 “In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. ”
Those whose ear is uncircumcised do not give ear to God’s word or pay attention to it. They are the deaf in spirit. However, God’s people whose ear is circumcised listen to His voice. It is really blessed to hear the words of truth.
Miserable end of the spiritual deaf
Jesus showed in advance the end of the spiritual deaf as follows:
Mt 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'”
If they heard God’s voice, they would recognize God the Father and God the Mother who have come into this earth and hear Their voice and celebrate all the feasts of the new covenant just as we do.
However, they reject all the truth; though hearing many things, they pay no attention. It’s because their ear is uncircumcised. So, Jesus plainly said that they would never enter the kingdom of heaven, though they loudly call Him ‘Lord, Lord.’
Jer 8:7-14 Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD. “How can you say, ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,’ when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. … So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD. … ‘Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.'”
Those whose ear is uncircumcised cling to deceit and refuse to return to God. What is the end of those who reject God’s words? It’s destruction. They will see such a miserable end coming upon them.
Considering all these things, we are bound to give thanks to God for giving us eyes to see and ears to hear. We, too, were the blind and the deaf in spirit. However, God has come into this earth and opened our spiritual eyes and ears, so that we can see and hear God’s words. God said, “He who has ears, let him hear.”
Hear God’s voice and open the door
Through the long period of the Dark Ages, many have lost their ears to hear God’s voice. Now is the time for their eyes and ears to be circumcised, so that they can see and hear God. For God Himself has come into this earth to save mankind. He is knocking on the door of our hearts, uttering His voice. In this age, we can directly hear God’s voice since God Himself has come into the earth.
Rev 3:20 “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
If a stranger knocks at the door, we will not open it easily. However, what if our father or mother tells us to open the door? We will hear his or her voice and open the door.
People have not heard God’s voice for a long time, and they’ve forgotten His voice. So when they hear God’s voice, some of them open the door, but some shut it more tightly. Unfortunately, even God’s children, who have not heard His voice for so long, do not easily recognize the voices of their Father and Mother.
God’s children are supposed to open the door of their hearts when they hear the voices of the Father and Mother and to receive them. When we, all God’s children, recognize the voices of our Father and Mother and open the door, we will go back to our heavenly country. We should hasten the coming of the day, shouldn’t we? Let’s quicken our pace and preach the gospel more diligently.
God’s sheep listen to His voice
Jn 10:16 “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.”
Jn 10:27 “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.”
Jn 8:47 “He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
God’s sheep know His voice. So in order to lead them to the Father and Mother quickly, we must speak only with God’s voice, not with our own.
Now, God has come into this earth and is knocking at the door: Those who listen to His voice will receive Him, and those who do not hear will shut the door more tightly. By this, God will separate His people from those who are not His own.
Let’s preach God’s word to others with great boldness, as God told us. We don’t need to think, ‘Will they understand the word?’ or ‘What will they think of me when I tell the truth?’ If we have such a thought in preaching the gospel to them, we may fail to lead them. Let’s preach, having no doubt that God’s sheep will listen to His voice.
Let the trumpet sound a clear call
Jn 18:37 … Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
1 Jn 4:5-6 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Jesus distinguishes the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood through whether they listen to God’s voice or not. He plainly said, “He who belongs to God hears what God says.” Let’s preach God’s word with boldness, leaving everything to God.
Looking upon our past days, there was a great difference in results between the two cases-when we preached God’s word confidently and when we preached it without boldness.
God told us to let the trumpet sound a clear call. Of course, God’s people are to hear His voice. However, when the preacher gives an uncertain sound, they cannot easily recognize God’s voice and it will take them much time to receive the truth. Whatever we preach, if we speak with God’s voice, they will clearly understand.
A brother in Zion told me about his experiences during the preaching. He got an opportunity to speak God’s words to an old lady living next door to him. At first, he told her about the vanity of life, but she seemed to be little interested in it. So he changed the subject and told her about God’s commandments. Then she was surprised, and received the truth with great joy, saying that she found the true church at long last. I’ve heard that she is very eager to keep God’s commands with a passionate heart like young adults. In another case, some received God immediately after hearing about the last secret described in the Bible.
Thus, our lost brothers and sisters are returning to Zion one after another, hearing the voices of the Father and Mother. God is our reason to be proud; let’s boast of God all the more. Even those who have shut their minds tightly will surely hear God’s voice and open the door if we preach confidently to them.
God’s voice-“Celebrate the Passover”
Our Father said, “The more you practice the truth, the more you are renewed inwardly. If you do not practice the truth, your hearts become darkened and finally you will deny God.”
2,000 years ago, God put great emphasis on the Passover. In these last days, too, He emphasizes repeatedly that His children should celebrate the Passover. We’ve already heard this voice of God. Let’s preach more eagerly and lead many people to Zion.
Jn 6:53-57 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”
This is God’s promise of life. God’s sheep are sure to hear this word. Jesus promised His flesh and blood on the Passover (Mt 26:17-28; Lk 22:19-20). He saved our souls from death by giving us eternal life through the Passover-which is the recipe necessary for the salvation of all men. Let’s sound a clear call and lead them to hear God’s voice; let them open their spiritual eyes and ears.
Now, the appointed time has come when God’s children hear the voice of God and come out of Babylon. Believing the prophecies, let’s sound the trumpet.
He who has an ear hears God’s voice. Let’s blow the trumpet of the gospel loudly and lead many souls to salvation. Then the glory of God our Father and Mother will be proclaimed to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 33:5 The LORD is exalted, for he dwells on high;
he will fill Zion with his justice and righteousness.
6 He will be the sure foundation for your times,
a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge;
the fear of the LORD is the key to this treasure.
Isaiah 33:20 Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals;
your eyes will see Jerusalem,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved;
its stakes will never be pulled up,
nor any of its ropes broken.
Galatians 4:26 BUT THE JERUSALEM THAT IS ABOVE IS FREE, AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER.
Galatians 4:31 THEREFORE, BROTHERS, WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE SLAVE WOMEN, BUT OF THE FREE WOMAN.
FREE WOMAN IS GOD THE MOTHER, NOT GOD THE FATHER. SO AS CHILDREN OF NOT ONLY GOD THE FATHER, BUT ALSO GOD THE MOTHER, LET’S PREACH THE GOSPEL DILIGENTLY TO THE WHOLE WORLD, FIND OUR LOST BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND LET’S GO BACK TO KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. ALL THE GLORY TO OUR GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE MOTHER. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
By: Bell on March 31, 2011
at 12:31 am
Bell, I would really like to see something in your own words, with your own thinking, one of these days. You should practice thinking for yourself and finding your own way of expressing those thoughts. God made you an individual, not a robot to play tape recordings.
By: genny on March 31, 2011
at 4:42 am
Seek David in the Last Days
Every word in the Bible contains the precious will of God, which He wants us to know. Now, the Bible has been translated into over 2,000 languages, and it is the best-selling and the most widely distributed book in the world today. However, most people, even though they read the Bible, do not realize the hidden meaning of the words of every prophecy in the Bible.
Every language has its own characteristics, so it is not easy to fully understand the nuances of a language except for its native people. Likewise, the language of the kingdom of God is hard to understand; it can only be understood by the people of God. We, God’s people, know well what the Spirit and the Bride mean by saying, “Come!” We understand when, where and why to go to Them, but the people who do not belong to God will never be able to know.
Among many words in the Bible, let’s find out the implied meaning of the words, “Seek David in the last days.”
Prophecies about David
Hos 3:4-5 『For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings in the last days.』
Prophet Hosea testifies that what God’s people must do in the last days is to seek David. It’s because there is something very important that cannot be solved without seeking David. Through the prophets of the Old Testament, God repeatedly testifies about David who will appear in the last days.
Eze 34:11-24 『 ” ‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them. As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness. . . . As for you, my flock, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will judge between one sheep and another, and between rams and goats. . . . I will save my flock, and they will no longer be plundered. I will judge between one sheep and another. I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd. I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the Lord have spoken.’ “』
The book of Ezekiel was written about 450 years after the death of David, the king of Israel. In other words, the prophecy, “I [God] will become a Shepherd and search for my lambs,” and the prophecy, “I will place over them one Shepherd, my servant David,” are about the spiritual David, not the physical David. These prophecies imply that God will come in the name of David in the last days. Prophet Ezekiel repeatedly prophesied about David.
Eze 37:24-27 『” ‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant . . . I will be their God, and they will be my people.’ “』
God said that His people would keep His laws and decrees in the reign of David. Every prophecy of God is to be fulfilled without fail. We, who look for salvation, should realize when and why the spiritual David comes and what He brings, and we must receive David our Shepherd as His sheep.
Only those who receive David can become God’s people, and only the people of God can be saved and go to heaven. Therefore we must seek David.
Jesus who came in the name of David
If we do not meet David coming in the last days, we are not able to know the secret of life that God has opened, and we will fail to find the way to salvation and eternal life that only God knows.
Rev 5:1-5 『Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”』
The Bible testifies that no one can reveal the secrets of God to us except the Root of DavidChrist who comes in the name of David. If the secrets remain sealed forever, how can we know the way to eternal life and the kingdom of heaven Nowadays, most bookstores have many Bible commentaries, which the interpreters have written with their private opinions. However, no matter how many times they read the Bible, none of them can know the will of God with their own wisdom. It is only the Root of David who is able to reveal to us the secrets of the Bible. That’s why the Bible testifies that whoever longs for eternal life and salvation must seek David in the last days.
In order to receive David, we should first know who the prophetical David is and how we can meet Him.
Isa 9:6-7 『For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.』
The above prophecy about Christ was written by the prophet Isaiah 700 years before Jesus came to this earth. As Isaiah prophesied, “He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, with justice and righteousness,” Jesus came as David.
Lk 1:30-33 『”You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus . . . The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”』
Since it is written that God will give Jesus the throne of His father David, we need to carefully study the relationship between David and Jesus. If the prophecy about David was completely fulfilled by Jesus 2,000 years ago, we would not have to study about this prophecy today. However, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel, David is to appear on a day of clouds and darknessin the last daysto lead His people, represented by the sheep, as their Shepherd.
Prophetical relationship between David and Jesus
It is certain that there is a prophetical relationship between David and Jesus; through the work of David, we can easily understand that of Jesus. First, let’s find out what prophetical relationship there is between the period of King David’s reign and the period of Jesus’ ministry on earth.
2 Sa 5:3-4 『they anointed David king over Israel. David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years.』
It is written that David was anointed and became king when he was 30 years and he reigned for 40 years. Let’s see how Jesus, who is the prophetical David, fulfilled this prophecy.
Lk 3: 21-23 『When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying . . . a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. . . .』
As David was anointed at the age of 30 and began to reign, so Jesus was spiritually anointed through baptism at the age of 30 and began to preach. Here, we need to pay attention to the fact that Jesus did His public ministry for only three years, while David reigned for 40 years. It was because Jesus was to come again to reveal the secrets of the truth which were sealed.
Heb 9:27-28 『Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
Jesus was to come to this earth a second time and be baptized at the age of 30 and preach the gospel for 37 years so that He could fulfill the prophecy about the throne of Davidthe 40 years of reign. Then, what is the sign of the Second Coming David, through which we can recognize Him correctly and receive Him
Isa 55:1-5 『”Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost. . . . Give ear and come to me; hear me, that your soul may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David. See, I have made him a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander of the peoples. . . .”』
Heb 13:20-21 『May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good . . .』
God said that an everlasting covenant was promised to David who would lead us to the kingdom of heaven as our leader and commander. The writer of the book of Hebrews testified of “the blood of the eternal covenant,” which is the blood of the new covenantthe Passover. In other words, the everlasting covenant, God’s faithful love promised to David, means the new covenant. So, Christ is to bring the new covenant when He comes in the name of David in the last days.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the spiritual David, who has come a second time and restored the new covenant
Today, there are many people who claim, “I am David prophesied in the Bible.” Among them, is there anyone who has led us to eternal life through the new covenant, revealed the hidden secrets of the Bible, taught us the reality of God Elohim and the existence of God the Mother, and restored the seven feasts in three times so that we can observe all the laws and decrees of God Who, then, did so It is Christ Ahnsahnghong who has led the mortal human beings to the way of life through the eternal covenant. He is David who has appeared in the last days according to the prophecies of the Bible, and He is the Second Coming Jesus.
Eternal life is a free gift from God. We should share this grace and blessing, which we have freely received from God, with all people around the world, so that they can correctly recognize and receive God, who has come to this earth in the name of David in order to save us, as the leader and commander of peoples.
Hos 6:3-6 『Let us acknowledge the Lord; let us press on to acknowledge him. . . . For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.』
Without knowing the Second Coming David in this age, we cannot receive salvation that God has promised us. Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophecies of the throne of David; He was baptized in 1948 when he was 30 years old, preached the gospel for 37 years and ascended to heaven in 1985 after completing His ministry. Even though He was extremely distressed and troubled during His 37-year ministry on this earth, He always gave us good things, opened the way to eternal life by restoring all the truths of the new covenant, and let us know the new Jerusalem, our heavenly Mother, who is the source of life.
We give all thanks to our heavenly Father and Mother for leading the gospel work for us with patience and sacrifice, walking the paths of suffering. No matter what people say against our heavenly Father and Mother, They are our eternal God, worthy to receive glory and praise forever and ever!
We are very happy and proud to be children of God Elohim, our heavenly Father and Mother. Let us all devote ourselves to finding our brothers and sisters who are scattered all around the world, always giving thanks and praise to God Elohim for Their grace and love, as Their faithful children.
By: Bell on March 31, 2011
at 8:59 am
1 Cor. 3:18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a “fool” so that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21 So then, no more boasting about men! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.
Nowadays, many churches claim to read the Bible. However, they couldn’t understand it. Why? The reason is their spiritual eyes and ears are closed. First, let’s remember that our thinking is different from God’s thinking.
Isa. 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
Jn. 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” 13 The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.” 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
The Bible is the Words of God that contains the hidden mystery of God in order for God’s children to have eternal life. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW GOD’S WORDS, BUT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE OF IT. ONLY GOD HIMSELF CAN EXPLAIN TO US THE BIBLE AND OUR GOD THE FATHER WILL COME AS ROOT OF DAVID TO REVEAL US THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Rev. 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Let’s check some examples in the Bible that many people think its a contradiction but they just don’t understand the entire of the Bible.
Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
JESUS = LAMB IN THE BIBLE
Jn. 21:15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
Jn. 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
SAINTS = LAMB IN THE BIBLE
Without knowing who the Root of David is, we can never understand the Bible. CHRIST AHNSAHNGHONG CAME AS THE ROOT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE AND ESTABLISHED ZION AND EXPLAINED ALL THE MYSTERIES OF THE BIBLE SO THAT WE MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. PLEASE DON’T JUST MERELY JUDGE QUICKLY SOMETHING YOU DON’T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE OF IT! PLEASE COME TO ZION OUR CHURCH AND WE’LL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO YOU THROUGH THE BIBLE. WE CAN TEACH THE BASIC TOPICS HERE BUT WE ONLY TEACH THE DEEPER THINGS THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER AND MOTHER HAVE THOUGHT US IN ZION. WHY?
Mt. 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Mt. 13:11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 FOR THIS PEOPLE’S HEART HAS BECOME CALLOUSED; THEY HARDLY HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.
1 Cor. 2:12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
He Who Has an Ear Hears God’s Voice
Most churches today claim to hear the word of God. Actually, they do not understand the meaning of God’s word. The Bible says that they have an uncircumcised ear. How about us? We have eyes to see, ears to hear and minds to understand. Giving thanks to God, let’s see what the uncircumcised ear means, through the Bible.
Those who have an uncircumcised ear
People commonly say of the person who is slow in understanding what others say, “He has a bad ear.” Likewise, the Bible says of him who does not understand what God says, “He has an uncircumcised ear.”
Many people around us claim to believe in God, but they do not make out what God’s will is and take it wrong. God said, “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy” (Ex 20:8). However, they keep other day, not understanding God’s word. That’s why the Bible says that they have an uncircumcised ear.
Jer 6:10-15, KJV To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? Behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it. Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days. …
Through the Bible, God showed us the way to the truth and salvation. However, those who have an uncircumcised ear do not understand what God’s true will is. They are not concerned to obey God’s word, which is offensive to them. So God’s anger against them burns and He says that He cannot hold it in any longer.
See today’s churches! Do they obey God’s word? If they obeyed, how could they ignore the word, “Worship no idol” or “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy?” If they obeyed, how could they easily turn away from God’s holy feasts?
Isa 42:18-20 “Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see! Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is blind like the one committed to me, blind like the servant of the LORD? You have seen many things, but have paid no attention; your ears are open, but you hear nothing.”
Mt 13:14-17 “In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. ”
Those whose ear is uncircumcised do not give ear to God’s word or pay attention to it. They are the deaf in spirit. However, God’s people whose ear is circumcised listen to His voice. It is really blessed to hear the words of truth.
Miserable end of the spiritual deaf
Jesus showed in advance the end of the spiritual deaf as follows:
Mt 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
If they heard God’s voice, they would recognize God the Father and God the Mother who have come into this earth and hear Their voice and celebrate all the feasts of the new covenant just as we do.
However, they reject all the truth; though hearing many things, they pay no attention. It’s because their ear is uncircumcised. So, Jesus plainly said that they would never enter the kingdom of heaven, though they loudly call Him ‘Lord, Lord.’
Jer 8:7-14 Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD. “How can you say, ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,’ when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. … So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD. … ‘Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.’”
Those whose ear is uncircumcised cling to deceit and refuse to return to God. What is the end of those who reject God’s words? It’s destruction. They will see such a miserable end coming upon them.
Considering all these things, we are bound to give thanks to God for giving us eyes to see and ears to hear. We, too, were the blind and the deaf in spirit. However, God has come into this earth and opened our spiritual eyes and ears, so that we can see and hear God’s words. God said, “He who has ears, let him hear.”
Hear God’s voice and open the door
Through the long period of the Dark Ages, many have lost their ears to hear God’s voice. Now is the time for their eyes and ears to be circumcised, so that they can see and hear God. For God Himself has come into this earth to save mankind. He is knocking on the door of our hearts, uttering His voice. In this age, we can directly hear God’s voice since God Himself has come into the earth.
Rev 3:20 “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
If a stranger knocks at the door, we will not open it easily. However, what if our father or mother tells us to open the door? We will hear his or her voice and open the door.
People have not heard God’s voice for a long time, and they’ve forgotten His voice. So when they hear God’s voice, some of them open the door, but some shut it more tightly. Unfortunately, even God’s children, who have not heard His voice for so long, do not easily recognize the voices of their Father and Mother.
God’s children are supposed to open the door of their hearts when they hear the voices of the Father and Mother and to receive them. When we, all God’s children, recognize the voices of our Father and Mother and open the door, we will go back to our heavenly country. We should hasten the coming of the day, shouldn’t we? Let’s quicken our pace and preach the gospel more diligently.
God’s sheep listen to His voice
Jn 10:16 “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.”
Jn 10:27 “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.”
Jn 8:47 “He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
God’s sheep know His voice. So in order to lead them to the Father and Mother quickly, we must speak only with God’s voice, not with our own.
Now, God has come into this earth and is knocking at the door: Those who listen to His voice will receive Him, and those who do not hear will shut the door more tightly. By this, God will separate His people from those who are not His own.
Let’s preach God’s word to others with great boldness, as God told us. We don’t need to think, ‘Will they understand the word?’ or ‘What will they think of me when I tell the truth?’ If we have such a thought in preaching the gospel to them, we may fail to lead them. Let’s preach, having no doubt that God’s sheep will listen to His voice.
Let the trumpet sound a clear call
Jn 18:37 … Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
1 Jn 4:5-6 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Jesus distinguishes the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood through whether they listen to God’s voice or not. He plainly said, “He who belongs to God hears what God says.” Let’s preach God’s word with boldness, leaving everything to God.
Looking upon our past days, there was a great difference in results between the two cases-when we preached God’s word confidently and when we preached it without boldness.
God told us to let the trumpet sound a clear call. Of course, God’s people are to hear His voice. However, when the preacher gives an uncertain sound, they cannot easily recognize God’s voice and it will take them much time to receive the truth. Whatever we preach, if we speak with God’s voice, they will clearly understand.
A brother in Zion told me about his experiences during the preaching. He got an opportunity to speak God’s words to an old lady living next door to him. At first, he told her about the vanity of life, but she seemed to be little interested in it. So he changed the subject and told her about God’s commandments. Then she was surprised, and received the truth with great joy, saying that she found the true church at long last. I’ve heard that she is very eager to keep God’s commands with a passionate heart like young adults. In another case, some received God immediately after hearing about the last secret described in the Bible.
Thus, our lost brothers and sisters are returning to Zion one after another, hearing the voices of the Father and Mother. God is our reason to be proud; let’s boast of God all the more. Even those who have shut their minds tightly will surely hear God’s voice and open the door if we preach confidently to them.
God’s voice-”Celebrate the Passover”
Our Father said, “The more you practice the truth, the more you are renewed inwardly. If you do not practice the truth, your hearts become darkened and finally you will deny God.”
2,000 years ago, God put great emphasis on the Passover. In these last days, too, He emphasizes repeatedly that His children should celebrate the Passover. We’ve already heard this voice of God. Let’s preach more eagerly and lead many people to Zion.
Jn 6:53-57 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”
This is God’s promise of life. God’s sheep are sure to hear this word. Jesus promised His flesh and blood on the Passover (Mt 26:17-28; Lk 22:19-20). He saved our souls from death by giving us eternal life through the Passover-which is the recipe necessary for the salvation of all men. Let’s sound a clear call and lead them to hear God’s voice; let them open their spiritual eyes and ears.
Now, the appointed time has come when God’s children hear the voice of God and come out of Babylon. Believing the prophecies, let’s sound the trumpet.
He who has an ear hears God’s voice. Let’s blow the trumpet of the gospel loudly and lead many souls to salvation. Then the glory of God our Father and Mother will be proclaimed to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 33:5 The LORD is exalted, for he dwells on high;
he will fill Zion with his justice and righteousness.
6 He will be the sure foundation for your times,
a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge;
the fear of the LORD is the key to this treasure.
Isaiah 33:20 Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals;
your eyes will see Jerusalem,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved;
its stakes will never be pulled up,
nor any of its ropes broken.
Galatians 4:26 BUT THE JERUSALEM THAT IS ABOVE IS FREE, AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER.
Galatians 4:31 THEREFORE, BROTHERS, WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE SLAVE WOMEN, BUT OF THE FREE WOMAN.
FREE WOMAN IS GOD THE MOTHER, NOT GOD THE FATHER. SO AS CHILDREN OF NOT ONLY GOD THE FATHER, BUT ALSO GOD THE MOTHER, LET’S PREACH THE GOSPEL DILIGENTLY TO THE WHOLE WORLD, FIND OUR LOST BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND LET’S GO BACK TO KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. ALL THE GLORY TO OUR GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE MOTHER. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
By: Bell on April 1, 2011
at 6:38 pm
By: Another lost generation on April 9, 2011
at 1:02 pm
The ultimate goal of our faith is the salvation of our souls (1 Pe 1:9). God came to this earth to give the truth of salvation to us, the heavenly sinners who were doomed to eternal death. So, living a redeemed life by obeying the word of God is the greatest happiness and the biggest profit for us.
As people of Zion, we must discern things spiritually so that we will not suffer any spiritual loss but receive all the spiritual blessings, no matter what hardships we face. To obtain a treasure hidden in a field, we should buy that field even by selling all we have. Likewise, to obtain the treasure called Heaven, we must invest all we have into it—our youth, efforts, and everything else. It would be good if we could get the kingdom of heaven without any loss or damage. However, if we have to choose between two things—physical benefits and spiritual benefits, let us choose the latter so that we may not suffer spiritual loss at all. Thinking of the kingdom of heaven which is close at hand, we must all acquire it.
The spiritual loss of Saul who lost God instead of the fattened animals
In the history of the Bible, there were many foolish people who turned a way from God and forsook their faith in God because they considered physical loss greater than spiritual loss. Through the Bible, let’s get wisdom on what it is to suffer spiritual loss and what the way to accumulate spiritual blessings is.
1 Sa 15:1-23 『Samuel said to Saul,”I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'” . . . But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed. Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel:”I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” . . .”But I did obey the LORD,” Saul said.”I went on the mission the LORD assigned me. I completely destroyed the Amalekites and brought back Agag their king. The soldiers took sheep and cattle from the plunder, the best of what was devoted to God, in order to sacrifice them to the LORD your God at Gilgal.” But Samuel replied:”Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.”』
When God poured out His wrath upon the Amalekites, He ordered Saul to totally destroy everything, even all their animals, but Saul insisted on going his own way.
So, he destroyed the animals that were weak and sick, but spared the good animals the fat calves and lambs—and brought them back alive.
If one just pursues immediate gains, he will suffer a great loss spiritually while not even realizing it. Saul also suffered an enormous spiritual loss while struggling to avoid physical loss, but he did not recognize it at all. God was grieved that He had made Saul king. Since God considered each individual soul much more precious than a sacrifice of lambs or calves, He was grieved to see Saul going far away from the way of life.
The spiritual loss that Saul suffered as a result of his disobedience was really tremendous. Although he obtained large flocks of sheep and herds of cattle, he lost God because of that, so in actuality he lost everything. The only thing that was waiting for him after he lost God was a painful time like eternal hell. After God left Saul, he was seized and tormented by an evil spirit, and in the end he met a miserable death on the battlefield.
Apart from God we can do nothing (Jn 15:5). Our disobedience to God’s word is directly linked to our spiritual loss, and to obey God is the way to accumulate spiritual blessings.
Dt 28:1-6, 15-19 『If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. All these blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the LORD your God: You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country. The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestock—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. Your basket and your kneading trough will be blessed. You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out. . . . However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country. Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed. The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.』
Disobedience always brings forth a curse, so nothing can go well. The history of Saul, who brought spiritual loss upon himself by insisting on his own thoughts instead of obeying God’s word fully, teaches us an important lesson. Today, we also often stand at crossroads of choice. Sometimes we suffer spiritual loss by pursuing physical gain, and sometimes we suffer physical loss by pursuing spiritual gain. Which one is the correct choice?
The spiritual loss of Esau who sold his birthright for a bowl of lentil stew
We must regard God’s word as absolute, realizing that obedience to God’s word is the way to receive the greatest gain and to accumulate blessings. If we don’t, we will lose even the blessings that we have already received and will regret it belatedly.
The book of Genesis introduces a case of another person who suffered spiritual loss but failed to realize it.
Ge 25:27-34 『 . . . Once when Jacob was cooking some stew, Esau came in from the open country, famished. He said to Jacob,”Quick, let me have some of that red stew! I’m famished!” (That is why he was also called Edom.) Jacob replied,”First sell me your birthright.””Look, I am about to die,” Esau said.”What good is the birthright to me?” But Jacob said,”Swear to me first.” So he swore an oath to him, selling his birthright to Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau some bread and some lentil stew. He ate and drank, and then got up and left. So Esau despised his birthright.』
Like Esau who despised his birthright, there are many people in the world who do not realize what it is to suffer spiritual loss and neglect spiritual things. Satan always uses a little bait to take a great spiritual thing away from us. In the case of Esau, he obtained a bowl of lentil stew, but instead he lost great spiritual privileges.
Ge 27:30-37 『After Isaac finished blessing him and Jacob had scarcely left his father’s presence, his brother Esau came in from hunting. He too prepared some tasty food and brought it to his father. Then he said to him,”My father, sit up and eat some of my game, so that you may give me your blessing.” . . . Isaac trembled violently and said,”Who was it, then, that hunted game and brought it to me? I ate it just before you came and I blessed him—and indeed he will be blessed!” When Esau heard his father’s words, he burst out with a loud and bitter cry and said to his father,”Bless me—me too, my father!” . . .”Haven’t you reserved any blessing for me?” Isaac answered Esau,”I have made him lord over you and have made all his relatives his servants, and I have sustained him with grain and new wine. So what can I possibly do for you, my son?”』
This is a representative example of spiritual loss. Esau thought that since he was the eldest son, he would naturally receive the birthright blessing no matter what he did.
So, he simply sold his birthright to his brother Jacob without giving it much thought.
Eventually Jacob came to receive the birthright blessing in accordance with God’s will. Only after losing the blessing did Esau realize its value. Then he burst out with a loud and bitter cry and begged his father Isaac to bless him too, saying,”Don’t you have even a small blessing left for me?” However, it was too late.
Both Esau and King Saul did not realize the value of God’s word, and that was why they suffered a tremendous spiritual loss. We must avoid spiritual loss even if we have to suffer the loss of earthly things. The New Testament also earnestly asks us not to incur any spiritual loss.
Heb 12:14-17 『. . . See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. He could bring about no change of mind, though he sought the blessing with tears.』
We must acquire the kingdom of heaven even though we suffer any physical loss.
If we neglect the heavenly kingdom which God has given us freely, we will lose it.
Even if we beg God for mercy on the Day of Judgment, it is too late. Esau was never able to regain his birthright which he had once sold.
A blessing from God depends on how much we value God’s word and how obedient we are to it. We should respect and fear the word of God. Why do you think so many people today disobey God’s commandments while claiming to believe in God? They turn away from the truth described in the Bible and adhere to the rules of men. This is proof that they do not value God’s word at all. Think how much more severely they deserve to be punished.
We must also be on our guard against those things since we have received the blessing of the firstborn of heaven. Although we are God’s people who live in Zion, God’s blessings are not given to us unconditionally, regardless of whether we obey God’s word or not. Saul was a king, but he was deprived of his throne. Esau was the eldest son, but he was deprived of his birthright. Both of them failed to receive the blessings which originally belonged to them. This was the result of having lived without caring for spiritual loss.
However, Jacob valued the birthright and its blessing. So, he never missed the blessing of God even when the socket of his thigh was dislocated. Thus, God’s blessing comes upon those who make every effort to receive it. While many people neglect the spiritual loss which is invisible and pursue worldly values, those who know the value of a blessing from God make more effort than others and continuously accumulate blessings. That’s why the Bible says that those who forcefully advance the kingdom of heaven will enter it (Ge 32:22-30; Mt 11:12).
The spiritual loss of Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver
Let us diligently run toward the kingdom of heaven, forcefully advancing it, so that we will not lose this precious blessing of the firstborn of heaven. We should pray fervently, study God’s word diligently, and preach the gospel eagerly with all our hearts and minds, and we must joyfully obey the teachings of God the Father and God the Mother above all else.
Everything goes well if we abide in God; but if we leave God, irrevocable things will happen. In one of the New Testament Gospels, we can find another person who brought an irrevocable fatal spiritual loss upon himself.
Mt 26:14-16 『Then one of the Twelve—the one called Judas Iscariot—went to the chief priests and asked,”What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.』
Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve disciples of Jesus, haggled with the chief priests over the blood price they would pay for the betrayal of Jesus. He decided to betray Jesus, who was his teacher, into the hands of His enemies for the payment of 30 silver coins. Since he committed such an infamous and heinous act—the sin of betraying God who came to save mankind—for 30 pieces of silver, how much more severely do you think he deserves to be punished for his sin?
Mt 26:47-52 『While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them:”The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” Going at once to Jesus, Judas said,”Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him. Jesus replied,”Friend, do what you came for.” Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. . . .』
Judas Iscariot and Peter, although they were all disciples of Jesus, were too different from each other. While Judas was greedy for money and betrayed Jesus, Peter stood at Jesus’ side and opposed the servants of the high priest when they tried to arrest Jesus. One of them continuously suffered an enormous spiritual loss, and the other continually accumulated blessings.
Afterwards, Judas Iscariot felt guilty when he saw Jesus being arrested and dragged, and he returned the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests. However, his choice was irrevocable and he met a miserable death in the end (Mt 27:1-8; Ac 1:16-19).
Learning a lesson from their cases, we need to correctly understand what it is to suffer spiritual loss and should live according to the Spirit, following the word of God. Our life is an opportunity given us, who have been cast down to this earth as a result of committing sin in heaven, to repent of our sin—not to disobey God’s will and go astray.
Faith that holds fast to spiritual blessings till the end
You may have ever read the Aesop’s fable of The Fox and the Crow. One day, a fox saw a crow sitting on a branch of a tree with a piece of cheese in her beak. The fox set his wits to work to discover some way of getting the cheese.
“Hello, Mrs. Crow! How beautiful you look today! Would you please sing a song for me?” On hearing these flattering words from the fox under the tree, the crow became puffed up, and after clearing her throat, she loudly screamed:”Caw! Caw!” As soon as she opened her beak, the cheese fell to the ground, and the fox snapped it up.
Satan aims at this kind of thing. He seems to give us something, but the moment we try to grab it, he takes away everything we have. This is a trick of Satan. We must hold fast to the crown of life, which God has given us. If we let go of it to grasp worldly things, Satan does not miss the moment and takes it away from us. We must not forget this.
2 Ti 4:10-11 『for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. Only Luke is with me.』
When the Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy, he expressed his anxiousness over Demas who loved the world and left God. The foolish people like Judas Iscariot, Esau and King Saul, who incurred spiritual loss upon themselves but did not realize it—they must have been weeping so bitterly.
Let us reflect upon ourselves: Have we done things that can cause spiritual loss or things that can bring forth blessings? Do we value the birthright of the firstborn of heaven? Or do we pursue the things of this world? No matter what we do, whatever may happen, we must judge everything spiritually and choose the path that will not lead to spiritual loss. So the Apostle Peter, when the Jews threatened him not to preach Jesus, said,”Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God” (Ac 4:17-20). By discerning the spiritual loss and gain, we must never forsake the word of God.
If we think that we will obtain something great while disobeying God’s word, it is a big misunderstanding. We can proceed toward the eternal kingdom of heaven only when we always respect Elohim and follow Them by depending on Their words and listening to Their voice. Let us never lose the birthright of the firstborn of heaven to inherit the kingdom of heaven. Just as Jacob clung to God for blessing until the socket of his thigh was dislocated, let us continuously ask God for blessings without suffering any spiritual loss and live according to God’s word as children of heaven, so that we can all enter the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on April 15, 2011
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Lol I dislike when people blog about stuff they no nothing about. First you lead your life not knowing anything about the bible. then, when faced with undeniable truth, you all of a sudden know the bible front to back. 2. the bible clearly testifies that unless you eat jesus body and blood you do not have eternal life. Wait, what was that? oh thats right cause you THINK you should only believe in him, yet you do not know what the bible says. how about you come study first before you begin to point fingers. GBY
By: Dana on May 1, 2011
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I dislike how people who think they know the Bible more than anyone else get so defensive if other people may have good points that they disagree with. Are you God? Have you spoken with your “Heavenly Mother” God in person?? I highly doubt it. Until you give me valid proof you know God, none of us have any reason to take your biblical views seriously. To know about God is one thing, to truly know God is quite another. I know my God, Jesus Christ, because I have tasted of His wine and I have eaten of His flesh……… I need not do it on the day of passover, because there is no law in the Bible stating that. It simply says take eat of the bread and drink of the blood. You can assume all you want that because Jesus had the holy communion done on the passover that such is the only time we are to partake, but He didn’t specifically say… therefore, do not judge if others don’t partake during the time you believe it to be, for you are not Christ. If you are Christ, you would have full authority; however, you are a pitiful human being like the rest of us. Thank God for the mercy shown to us, that we might be found in Christ as holy beings worthy to worship at His feet.
I pray you find the truth, that Ahn Sang Hong is a fraud and nowhere in the Bible is there ever a heavenly mother mentioned in the literal (it is indeed speaking in the metaphor). Jesus Christ will return again someday, and we must live for Him and no one else. This is the essence and core of mere Christianity. Speaking of which, please do pick up a copy of C.S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity – great read. Try Screwtape Letters also.
By: Pierce on May 2, 2011
at 2:57 am
“I dislike how people who think they know the Bible more than anyone else get so defensive if other people may have good points that they disagree with. Are you God? Have you spoken with your “Heavenly Mother” God in person?? I highly doubt it. Until you give me valid proof you know God, none of us have any reason to take your biblical views seriously.”
Rev. 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
“To know about God is one thing, to truly know God is quite another. I know my God, Jesus Christ, because I have tasted of His wine and I have eaten of His flesh………”
1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
“I need not do it on the day of passover, because there is no law in the Bible stating that. It simply says take eat of the bread and drink of the blood. You can assume all you want that because Jesus had the holy communion done on the passover that such is the only time we are to partake, but He didn’t specifically say…”
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
“therefore, do not judge if others don’t partake during the time you believe it to be, for you are not Christ. If you are Christ, you would have full authority; however, you are a pitiful human being like the rest of us.”
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
“Thank God for the mercy shown to us, that we might be found in Christ as holy beings worthy to worship at His feet.”
Ephesians 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
“I pray you find the truth, that Ahn Sang Hong is a fraud and nowhere in the Bible is there ever a heavenly mother mentioned in the literal (it is indeed speaking in the metaphor). Jesus Christ will return again someday, and we must live for Him and no one else. This is the essence and core of mere Christianity.”
John 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Revelation 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8 Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)
9 Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”
Revelation 21: 9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and She is our Mother.
Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
Matthew 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.
Exodus 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.
7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs.
8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’s Passover.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Isaiah 25:6 On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare
a feast of rich food for all peoples,
a banquet of aged wine—
the best of meats and the finest of wines.
7 On this mountain he will destroy
the shroud that enfolds all peoples,
the sheet that covers all nations;
8 he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove the disgrace of his people
from all the earth.
The LORD has spoken.
9 In that day they will say,
“Surely this is our God;
we trusted in him, and he saved us.
This is the LORD, we trusted in him;
let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”
Isaiah 33:20 Look upon Zion, the city of our festivals;
your eyes will see Jerusalem,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved;
its stakes will never be pulled up,
nor any of its ropes broken.
21 There the LORD will be our Mighty One.
It will be like a place of broad rivers and streams.
No galley with oars will ride them,
no mighty ship will sail them.
22 For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
it is he who will save us.
23 Your rigging hangs loose:
The mast is not held secure,
the sail is not spread.
Then an abundance of spoils will be divided
and even the lame will carry off plunder.
24 No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”;
and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven.
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
Revelation 22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light.
And they will reign for ever and ever.
By: Bell on May 3, 2011
at 4:04 am
I am currently looking for this church in singapore• World mission society church of god• Do you how to connect or contact them•
By: joseph yin on May 23, 2011
at 10:44 am
don’t contact them. they’re evil.
By: Devlin on June 30, 2011
at 2:31 pm
2 Pet 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
There are times of waiting that the people of faith must go through until they receive the promised blessings. They wait for the coming of God and for the delight which they will enjoy forever in the everlasting kingdom of heaven.
They also wait for the Last Judgment Day when their enemy the devil will be judged, and for the glorious day when the following prophecy will come true: “Those who have fallen asleep in faith will be raised from the dead. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be changed and meet God in the air.”
Waiting requires endurance and preparation as well. Let’s take some time to think about what we must wait for and what we have to prepare for while living our lives.
Faith that waits for God
The Bible tells us that we were originally angels who lived with God in heaven but got involved in the rebellion of Satan and were cast down to this earth because of our sins.
To save us who had committed sins deserving of death, God Himself came to this earth and atoned for our sins by shedding His blood on the cross.
Thanks to the sacrifice of God, the way for the spiritual sinners to receive the forgiveness of sins and to go back to heaven has been opened.
Our souls have been eagerly waiting for God, who will redeem us, for such a long time. The object of our waiting, whom we have been earnestly longing for, is God.
2 Pe 3:11-13 『Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.』
“You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.” This means that we should wait for God to come as the Last Judge on this earth while living holy and godly lives. On the day when we will welcome Heavenly Father and return to our heavenly home with Heavenly Mother, our eternal days full of joy and delight will start.
Rev 21:1-5 『Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. . . .” . . . He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”』
Rev 22:1-5 『Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. . . . There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.』
“A new heaven and a new earth,” which Apostle John saw in a vision, refers to the kingdom of heaven. When the eternal kingdom of heaven comes, there will be no more death or pain or sorrow and God will let us lay down all our burdens which have given us hard times on this earth and will give us eternal joy and happiness that will never wither away and everything else we desire.
Since the Bible tells us to wait for this glorious day, we should put more hope in the eternal kingdom of heaven and give ourselves fully to the work of God. Our labor in God is never in vain (1 Co 15:58).
Let us wait for heaven while emptying ourselves
To receive what we are eagerly waiting and longing for, we need to prepare for it. When autumn comes, trees prepare themselves for the upcoming season. Autumn is the season when trees adorn themselves most beautifully than any other seasons. When they are about to throw away their thick leaves, they turn into the beautiful colors of yellow, gold and red. After radiating their beauty to the fullest like that, the trees shake off all their leaves and welcome the coming winter and spring.
Through these principles of nature, God reminds us that everything and everyone can be most beautiful when they try to throw themselves away completely. We, too, should empty ourselves filled with the disgraceful thoughts of the world and receive God fully into ourselves.
Php 3:7-9 『But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, . . .』
Apostle Paul forsook his thoughts, knowledge and his own self. After removing his arrogance and evil nature which obstructed him from receiving God, he decided to only have Christ within him.
As trees are most beautiful in the season when they throw themselves away, so we can become most beautiful spiritually when we empty ourselves like Paul. The trees that have completely abandoned themselves endure even a freezing north wind and a fierce snowstorm, and they greet spring when everything comes to life. This is the principle of rebirth into a new life.
Jn 3:3 『In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”』
Jesus has taught us that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again. In order to be reborn, we must forsake ourselves. When we throw ourselves away, we can have God within us.
When we let go of ourselves completely, God comes closer to us and becomes our treasure. To those who are born again by getting rid of all their worldly thoughts and desires, God says, “They remain in Me, and I in them,” and also gives them this promise, “They will bear much fruit” (Jn 6:53-56; Jn 15:5).
Gal 2:20 『I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 』
When we remove all worldly desires from ourselves, Christ lives in us and works in our lives; He gives us new life and controls everything—all our thoughts and minds and even our faith. Our selfishness and stubbornness that still remain within us, our arrogant mind which prevents us from realizing that we are sinners and makes us consider ourselves better than others, and our egoistic thoughts—when we get rid of all these things, we can have the mind of Mother.
Even God forsook Himself and came to this earth for us. Now, it is time for us to abandon ourselves. By removing the sinful nature from us and receiving Heavenly Father and Mother, we must have the mind of Mother within us. We will be changed beautifully when we forsake ourselves without seeking our own good, take care of our brothers and sisters, and care about their spiritual safety with the mind of Mother. That’s why Apostle Paul advises us to have the mind of Christ (Php 2:5).
Heavenly children born again to have the mind of Mother
A mother is an elder in a family, but she always works like a servant. If her children soil their clothes, she washes their clothes by herself. She cleans up the room which their children have messed up, and she also cooks food for them. If her children are sick, she also nurses them all by herself. Even though she is in a much higher position and deserves to be served by her children, she only does lowly and tough work like a servant, taking care of her children.
No matter how hungry she is, she tries to feed her hungry children first.
According to rank, she deserves to eat first and then she may give her children anything left to eat. However, she never does so. She is not authoritative and does not want to be served, but rather she always yields to the lowly. It is a mother who endures the most for her children.
‘Would a mother not breast-feed her hungry child? Would a mother hate her child and hurt him or her? Would a mother rest comfortably even after losing her child?’ If we think about the mind of a mother carefully, we can find out what we must do. When we have the mind of a mother, we are able to obey every teaching of God described in the Bible.
God our Father has made us realize Heavenly Mother, the new Jerusalem, and let us be guided by Mother. She personally sets us an example of how to love, instructs us in everything, prays for us Her children from early in the morning even when we are unaware of it, solves the problems of so many members all around the world, and comforts them. Seeing what Mother is doing, we should also have the same mind as God our Mother.
If we have the mind of Mother, we must be able to do what Mother is doing and care for the members whom Mother is taking care of. I hope that by doing so, each and every soul will grow graciously in Zion and all the members in Zion will enter the eternal kingdom of heaven by welcoming Father without lacking anything, without any regrets, when He comes back.
When Jesus was taken up into heaven on the 40th day after His resurrection, He asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” Then He told Peter repeatedly, even three times, “Feed my sheep and take care of them.” It is the duty of all who love God to take care of God’s people. Taking care of them and feeding them spiritual food with the mind of Mother—this is our basic duty as those who have received the truth earlier.
The fruit of the Holy Spirit produced with the mind of Mother When we fully arm ourselves with the mind of God our Mother, we can easily achieve the Ten Talent Mission. If we find it hard to accomplish the mission, it is because our minds have not yet been changed. We cannot do anything if we try to do it by ourselves with our own minds.
Suppose that a mother has a missing child. The mother will be anxiously looking for her lost child, even forgetting to sleep and take a rest. There is nothing more urgent than finding her lost child. We need to examine ourselves to see if we are preaching the gospel with the earnest mind of Mother. Unless we have the same kind of earnestness in mind as Mother, it is so hard to find a soul.
Those who have the mind of Mother bear much fruit even though they are not fluent in speaking and are lacking in knowledge of the Bible. Here is a convincing example: The long-term and short-term overseas mission teams are leading so many souls to God. This shows that the gospel does not depend on our ability but the key factor is whose mind we have. Although the mission teams are not good at speaking the local languages in difficult and unfamiliar environments, people are curious about them, thinking, ‘What are they preaching so eagerly?’ Then they follow them to Zion and receive the truth.
It is the same with the gospel in our country. If we preach the gospel with the mind of Mother, wherever we are, it blooms and bears fruit. When we have the heart of God our Mother, we can be like the five wise virgins waiting for the bridegroom with enough oil for their lamps and can be worthy to wait for the kingdom of heaven.
On the traditional Korean holidays, many people visit their hometowns with great anticipation to see their parents and siblings. At the end of this waiting time, there will also surely be the day when we go back to our eternal heavenly home. As parents are eagerly looking forward to seeing their children, so our Elohim are earnestly waiting for us, Their children, to change beautifully and to return to our heavenly home.
Are you not curious about what kind of place the river of the water of life is, what angels look like, and what the kingdom of God looks like? Looking forward to the overwhelming joy in heaven, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him,” let us get rid of all our evil habits and wicked personalities and always have Christ within us, so that none of us will fall behind but all will reach the kingdom of heaven. I earnestly hope that you will treat people around you with the mind of Mother in your home, church and community and lead many of them into the loving arms of God as great prophets.
By: Bell on May 29, 2011
at 11:30 am
“End of the world” failure – what’s next for former believers?
Are you still believers? These members now realized they believe in God Almighty, but do not believe in any Harold Camping or anyone making prophecies. I don’t think it’s in man or a Korean women God to make wild speculations about the end times and all going to heaven. How disappointing
These members put everything they had into Camping’s organization. They sold house, quit jobs and gave away everything they had because they truly believed what Harold Camping was saying. They believed everything he said and spent every single penny to help with the expense of billboards and radio programs. Now they have nothing, no home or job. They gave everything they had; both emotionally and financially to fund that organization and what do they have left. They are empty inside and empty in their pocketbooks.
“You just can’t go around ruining people’s lives and brain washing them like this. We don’t know an exact date and time when Christ will return. Camping and a whole lot of others like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their Watchtower Bible and Tract Society have got it wrong over and over again and so also will the WMSCOG too. This is how all the members of COG will be left heartbroken and really won’t know what to do. Waiting for their Elohim to come
Look Ben! what a mental health expert on the scene said, “What we’re going to see come out of this is a lot of people suffering from a multitude of mental illnesses ranging from mild to severe depression, schizophrenia, and possibly even worse. I wonder if the Family Radio cult is going to pay for their medical treatment. These people are going to need a lot of assistance from people who truly care for the well being, and not from some religious business organization.
Ben, it is time to stop believing the lies. The fake Mother God should repent and apologize to her followers. Very soon the COG members will say, “Our lives have been ruined. This was our fault. We didn’t understand everything properly but only cut & paste. Our true bros/sister on the anti-COG blog had warned us. Regardless, everything is now a huge loss. “MJ & Ahnsahnghong is a false prophet.” MJ said she gives us water of life. Now we are left dry and do not have enough money to even buy a bottle of mineral water.
BELL says”At the end of this waiting time, there will also surely be the day when we go back to our eternal heavenly home. As parents are eagerly looking forward to seeing their children, so our Elohim are earnestly waiting for us, their children, to change beautifully and to return to our heavenly home”
So does your MJ (Elohim) surely knows the day and hour when it will be time to take their children to heaven LOL
By: stella on May 30, 2011
at 6:42 am
First of all thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother Jerusalem for everything.
Now many lives are being sacrificed in wars and terrorist attacks on one side of the earth, and on the other side of the earth various infectious diseases are emerging and spreading throughout the world. However, even though disasters are so rampant in these days, God protects and comforts us, His children, just as Jesus said, “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed” (Mt 24:6). We give thanks to God for His grace.
Now, the gospel is being preached to the whole world. Even though a disaster occurs in a remote country, we cannot remain indifferent to it anymore.
Mother told us to pray for world peace, caring not only for our Church members but also for many people who are suffering from disasters. Keeping in mind that God considers life to be precious, let us pray for people in every country who are suffering from wars and for all the souls throughout the world who are suffering from disasters, as well as for our brothers and sisters in Zion.
Judgment by fire
The Bible prophesies of the last plagues—great and dreadful disasters. Let’s look into the prophecies and see how we can pray more effectively and powerfully for world peace.
2 Pe 3:3-13 『. . . By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. . . . But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.』
Zep 1:14-18 『The great day of the LORD is near—near and coming quickly. Listen! The cry on the day of the LORD will be bitter, the shouting of the warrior there. That day will be a day of wrath, a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness, a day of trumpet and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers. I will bring distress on the people and they will walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like filth. Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath. In the fire of his jealousy the whole world will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live in the earth.』
In the days of Noah, God punished all the wicked by waters. In the last days, God will punish all evildoers by fire. Until the prophet Zephaniah and the Apostle Peter wrote the above prophecies, there had been no fire by which the whole world could be completely destroyed. But now we live in a time of the fulfillment of all those prophecies. According to a report by experts, there are already enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world many times over, and the other weapons are also destructive and powerful enough to annihilate the earth.
The Bible also prophesies that the earth is reserved for fire. This shows that the earth will surely be destroyed by fire some day. In the days of Noah, God destroyed the world by waters. And in these last days, God says that He will judge the world by fire. We must not disregard the words of God.
An age of disasters prophesied
Recently it was reported that the Iraqi people greatly envied those who had gas masks, for fear that chemical weapons could be used during the war. Chemical weapons are odorless, so if they are used, people come to die without being aware of any abnormal symptoms until they find themselves in a fatally dangerous situation. Nowadays, various chemical weapons are being developed. Some of them are capable of causing the flesh to rot; they dissolve proteins and melt them down into liquid. Amazingly, the Bible already prophesied that.
Zec 14:1, 12-13 『A day of the LORD is coming . . . This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. On that day men will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. Each man will seize the hand of another, and they will attack each other.』
In the Old Testament written long before the coming of Jesus, it has already been prophesied that people’s flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. What matters is that deadly destructive weapons capable of causing such terrible things already exist on earth. The Bible also prophesies that plagues will sweep the world in the last days.
Lk 21:10-11 『Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.”』
Pestilences mentioned above are also referred to as “epidemic infectious diseases.” AIDS, SARS and AI [Avian Influenza], which are now hitting the whole world, are all pestilences.
See what is taking place today in the light of prophecies. Isn’t it dreadful? So, we have to think about how to be saved from such disasters.
There is no escape by man’s methods
If man is the “lord of all creation,” he must now seek the way of salvation. The Bible teaches us that there is no way man can save himself by his own wisdom.
Am 9:1-4 『”. . . those who are left I will kill with the sword. Not one will get away, none will escape. Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring them down. Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, there I will hunt them down and seize them. Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, there I will command the serpent to bite them. Though they are driven into exile by their enemies, there I will command the sword to slay them. I will fix my eyes upon them for evil and not for good.”』
The prophet Amos delivered this prophecy about 2,700 years ago. In those ancient times, when science was not developed, he prophesied that people would dig down to the depths of the grave, hide themselves at the bottom of the sea and climb up to the heavens. These things are taking place in this present time. Today, people are looking for shelters under the ground, at the bottom of the sea and in the outer space.
Until quite recently, underground cities were regarded as safe strongholds; some countries constructed various underground facilities for protection against nuclear war. But lately a missile, which can penetrate tens of meters into the ground, has been developed. Though men dig deep into the ground to hide themselves, they are not safe there anymore.
The Bible already prophesied about this. Even though men hide at the bottom of the sea, they cannot be safe, and even though they flee to outer space, they cannot escape the judgment of God.
There is no prophecy in the Bible that says that men can escape the Last Judgment by their own methods. We should seek and follow the way of God, rather than the methods of men.
The way of salvation God provides
God has planned to judge the wicked but to save the righteous; and He has prepared the way of salvation for the righteous.
Ps 91:5-10 『You will not fear the terror of night, . . . nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you make the Most High your dwelling—even the LORD, who is my refuge—then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent.』
When we proclaim the way of salvation to all people in the world, it goes to prove that our prayer for world peace is true and sincere. God wants all human beings to be saved, instead of being destroyed by disasters. We should quickly proclaim the will of God to all the people of the earth (1 Ti 2:4; 2 Pe 3:9).
God said, “A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it [disaster] will not come near you.” Let’s see what promise or covenant God has given us, so that we can be protected from such disasters.
Ex 12:10-14 『”. . . This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’s Passover. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.”』
Passover is the feast of redemption, which implies “plagues pass over.” When the Israelites were slaves in Egypt, which represents this sinful world, they could escape the plagues through the blood of the Passover lamb. This historical event was a shadow; it shows that we can escape disasters through the blood of Christ, the Passover lamb (1 Co 5:7). This is why God has given us the Passover.
God is putting a mark on the people of Zion, so that no disaster will come near them, even though a thousand may fall at their side. In the Old Testament times, God placed the blood of the lamb on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses. In the New Testament times, however, God puts a mark on the forehead of each person. Let us engrave deep in our hearts the precious covenant which God established through His blood, by taking a look at the following verses in Ezekiel which say that God will put a mark on the foreheads of His people.
Eze 9:3-6 『. . . Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. . . .”』
The above verses show that God protects those who have the mark on their foreheads—those who celebrate the Passover, so that no disaster will come near them. In Revelation, too, which Apostle John wrote when he saw what would take place in the last days, it is prophesied that God will put a seal on the foreheads of His servants so that they can escape disasters (Rev 7:1-4).
Preaching is the best way to world peace
When we see all the things happening in the world these days, we can see that all prophecies in the Bible are being fulfilled one after another. Now, many prophesied disasters such as wars and epidemics are being poured out. We should pray to God for the peace of all people in the world. The Bible also says that the prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective (Jas 5:16).
Then, what should be the content of our prayer for world peace? We should not only pray for people who are suffering from disasters that are occurring now, but we should also tell them why God brings such disasters upon the earth today. In addition, we have to preach the good news of peace to them, so that they may quickly come into the truth of the new covenant to receive salvation. This is the best prayer that can bring peace to mankind.
Eze 33:1-6 『The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, speak to your countrymen and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the sword comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head. Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. If he had taken warning, he would have saved himself. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.’ “』
Isa 52:7 『How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, “Your God reigns!”』
God has made us spiritual watchmen. For the peace of the world, we must blow loud the trumpet of warning and of salvation as well.
“Please come to Zion quickly and receive the seal of salvation through the truth of God” Preaching this good news of salvation to people is truly required of all those who pray for world peace. The greatest help for the souls who are suffering is leading them to salvation through preaching. With sincere prayers, we should preach God’s word to them and lead them to the right path. This is the most urgent thing we have to do, as an expression of our sincere prayer for the peace of the world.
We have to blow the trumpet of salvation loud to the whole world, so that God’s grace and blessings will come upon all people on the earth and they will receive the seal of God through the Passover, the absolute only way to become God’s people. Earnestly hoping that the hearts of those who hear will be opened wide through our sincere prayers and they will all return to God, let us pray for the people of the world who are suffering without knowing God and the truth.
All our brothers and sisters in Zion! Let us pray eagerly that we can lead all people around the world to the eternal kingdom of heaven where there is no war or pain—to the kingdom of peace! Would Elohim not listen to the prayer that we, Their children, offer to Them? I would like to ask you to earnestly pray for world peace and preach the truth of the new covenant to all people throughout the world, so that God’s grace may dwell in their hearts.
By: Bell on May 30, 2011
at 10:33 am
My wife and I got baptized in this church. I went with her and got baptized hoping that it would make our lives and our marriage better. I trusted my wife that much. We been having challenges with our marriage for the first two years just like any newly married couple. During the lowest moment of our marriage life, a high school friend of my wife – Rose, visited our house and started preaching the bible to my wife. She brought with her husband along. (This same Rose by the way abandoned us during our wedding when she was supposed to be a bridesmaid without telling us the real reason why).
Everthing started fine in the beginning. They were friendly and welcoming. Not until I noticed something weird. I started noticing that Rose is asking so many financial favors from my wife. She would asked for food donations and other needs of her children from my wife. The worst part is, she started convincing my wife to resign from her job and start working full time in the church. My wife is a very sociable person and has a lot of friends. She can really be a good asset to the church. I think this is what they are banking on.
The saddest part is, my wife shares our most intimate secret to Rose. For some reason, she can’t say no to Rose. Whenever Rose needs something, she would be dying to fullfill it. My wife spends most of her time in the church together with the Korean women. She has become an irresponsible wife (she wouldn’t have sex with me because Heavenly Monther says no), an irresponsible mother (she would rather be in the church than take care of our 3 month old son), an irresponsible daughter (she doesn’t listen to the advise of her own mother). She has become fanatic, unreasonable and close to being a crazy women. Whenever she is at home, she scolds the maids, become easily irritated with something and is always against me. She would say bad words to me and even to her own mother. She hursts our feelings all the time. Every Saturday, which is their Sabbath, she is in the church for 12 hours. When I ask her to go home and have lunch with us, she wouldn’t. She has become so hard-headed. My wife started discrimating other religions and calls Catholics as children of the devil 666. The church believes that the Pope is the 666 – the leader of Satanism and all Catholics and others religions are Satanic. This is the reason why Rose did not appear on our wedding day. Church of God – second coming Jesus believes that all other churchs are Satan’s home.
The Korean pastors in the Church doesn’t speak English very well and doesn’t convince me at all. They pick up passages in the bible here and there and connect it to their own preference (doctrine). It leaves the whole concept of the bible behind. So I ended up reading the rest of the verses that they neglect. Most of the members of the Church are women. There are only a handful of married guys including me. Most of the women are not in good terms with their husbands. How did I know it? They give testimonies during services and they are proud that they disobeyed their husbands.
Rose’s husband is the leader of the men’s group. Whenever we have a meeting after the sermon, he would just repeat what the pastor said. There is nothing more.
I had a fight with Rose over the phone because I couldn’t bare anymore what is happening. She and her husband called me a demon and threatened to invade our house with force. She accused of me so many things and blurted out all our marital secrets that she learned from my wife. This shocked me. I couldn’t believe this is happening.
The incident made me realize that this religion is something that is not Godly. I stopped going to the church they call Zion. It is the a devil’s lair. It destroys families and marriages. It destroys the norms in the society and I wonder why my wife is so engrossed with it. I am so sad. I arrived at the thought that there must be something in the food that they make us eat.
I talked with the pastor and again he doesn’t seem to understand what I’m saying because his English is very poor.
My wife right now is still possessed and all of us including her relatives and friends are praying for her recovery. She has become worst than a drug addict. She lies all the time and scapes from her respnsibilties just so she can go with these Koreans. A lot of people are talking her out of it but her mind is already closed. When we talk to her, she looks drugged. She couldn’t understand basic right and wrong.
As of late, mwife secretly booked a flight to Korea to visit their so called Heavenly Mother. I am shocked again. Another lie from my wife.
This religion is a destruction to mankind. Please if you see these Koreans on the streets, beware of them. Do not let them get into you or you all will end up the worst that you could imagine. I am unhappy and sad with my marriage becuase of this religion. They have transformed my wife to a leader of the womens group without my knowledge. My wife is still spending all her time in the house church. She cleans the house church, cook (which she rarely do this at home) and preach the bible together with the Koreans. My only happiness right now is my son whom I take good care of.
To all of you out there, please help me pray for my wifes recovery from this cult. Thank you.
By: Rob on June 4, 2011
at 4:02 am
Rob, everytime I read stories like yours my heart breaks, and I feel so angry at this demonic cult and the destruction they do. People can’t see how clearly demonic it is, even with how much damage and destruction they do to those around them because the demon spirits of that church are blinding them.
The only way is to pray for your wife to have a true encounter with the Lord. When He lifts the blindedness from her eyes, then she can start to become free. I’ll pray for you and your wife; as for what you can do keep telling her that Jesus loves her and that you love her too. Love can break through the deception when coupled with prayer; this is what I believe.
Take care, and join a support group if you can. No one can battle this demon cult by themselves. God bless you Rob.
By: Jamie on June 4, 2011
at 1:09 pm
Rob, I’m so sorry. My son just joined the group and I’m not giving up on him. He invited me to bible sutdy and the sabbath. Have you heard of the phrase “keep your friends near but keep your enemies closer”? That’s what I intend to do. I am studying their beliefs and doing all the research and seeking both professional and spiritual help so I am stronger with knowledge.
Then I’m going IN with the hope of exposing their lies and deception. My son isn’t completely lost to them – they have partial control of his mind, but his heart is still him.
My husband and I are going to counseling so we can develop a plan on how to fight this.
There is intervention out there – start by calling a professional psychiatrist who has experience with cult intervention. I know you choose to take extreme methods to save her.
I will continue to update the blog and am determined to win this. They chose the wrong child/family to mess with.
God bless you and your family – don’t give up hope.
By: Devlin on June 30, 2011
at 2:26 pm
Was approached by two in a local mall where I live, got baptized that night, then went to study the bible. Their beliefs are their own, all man-made, based on their anti-christ leader. They dont understand the holy trinity, and thus worship another “female” god, it is idolatry. There church is cursed, and I hope the members can get out while they still can. They don’t understand the word of God whatsoever. This is one of many signs of the end-times written of in Matthew 24 and other chapers. Whatch out for this doomsday CULT.
By: Cody on June 4, 2011
at 7:06 am
These days, the members of Zion are diligently preaching the truth even in far-off countries overseas where the gospel has not yet reached. They are leaving truly meaningful footprints in time which never returns if it passes by. Even in various difficult circumstances, they are all leading many souls into the arms of Father and Mother. By doing that, they are writing the”New Acts” with their touching emotions and beautiful actions, which no other novelist can write.
Of course, the members of Zion in our own country are also participating in overseas missions by praying together with one mind for those who are preaching overseas, from early in the morning. I believe this is also a beautiful act of faith to participate in the gospel work Father and Mother are accomplishing.
When we look at the people described in the Bible, some received the blessing of eternal life as the result of living for the gospel, while others reached eternal destruction after living according to their own desires. There were the forefathers of faith like David and Apostles Peter and Paul, who had set the beautiful examples of the life of faith for us to follow, whereas there were also foolish people like Judas Iscariot, who ruined his life because of a moment’s wrong decision, and like Demas who loved the world and deserted the truth.
Yesterday never returns, and today is the same. Let’s take a look at the forefathers of faith who had lived a wonderful life for the gospel, and think about how to live our life more meaningfully.
Apostle Paul who had lived a life without regrets in the gospel
Apostle Paul knew intuitively that the time had come for him to leave this world after finishing his mission on this earth. So, when writing a letter to Timothy, Paul said he was proud that he had lived a valuable and meaningful life without any regret or shame.
2 Ti 4:6-8 『For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time has come for my departure. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.』
Whenever I read these verses, I truly envy the life of Paul who was able to confidently say that he had no regrets because if he lived, he lived for the Lord, and if he died, he would die for the Lord. I hope all of us also live a wonderful life which will be recorded so beautifully.
We have only one life to live. Since we cannot live any moment of our life twice, we should spend the time given to us more meaningfully for God and for the eternal kingdom of heaven. Let’s listen more to the Apostle Paul who ran the path of righteousness to the fullest without any regrets and kept the faith till the end.
2 Ti 4:1-5 『”In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction . . . But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.”』
Paul recommended that we should always make efforts to do the meaningful work of preaching the Word. We cannot turn back time that has already passed, so we must not have the thought: ‘I’d like to do worldly things to my heart’s content and then do the gospel work when I gain some composure in life.’ Our life is too short to waste time on worthless things. Let us do our best to live a life without any shame before God when we look back at every moment of our life.
In order for us to be able to say that we have walked the path of faith without regrets, as Paul did, when we stand before God after our life on this earth, we must not conform any longer to the pattern of this world but only think about what God’s will is and willingly obey God’s word all the time, as children of heaven.
Ro 12:1-3 『Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. . . .』
While pursuing the same values as the people of the world, we cannot live a life without regrets before God. If we live our life pursuing worldly things, we are just like the person who feels thirsty and drinks seawater; the seawater causes him to feel more thirsty. Likewise, the more our earthly desires are satisfied, the more thirsty we feel.
However, the water of life, which God gives us, never makes us feel thirsty again once we drink it. Our members in Zion are experiencing joy and happiness through this water of life, and they realize the feeling of joy and happiness cannot be replaced by anything else in the world. I hope all people living in our time will feel this joy and happiness together.
Let us all plan to live our one and only life for the eternal gospel of the kingdom of God, so our life can be wonderful. We need to throw away the thought, ‘I will do it when my circumstances permit,’ or, ‘I will start tomorrow.’ Only those who have the will to start”right now” can do this work and make their life beautiful.
The mission of Joshua and a lesson from it
The Bible has many records about the life and work of the forefathers who walked the wonderful and beautiful path of faith by the grace of God. One of them is Joshua, who carried out his mission with all his heart and soul in obedience to the will of God.
Joshua became the leader of Israel after the death of Moses. When he arrived in the promised land of Canaan flowing with milk and honey, he waged war against the Canaanites to conquer their land and to divide it by lot to each tribe of Israel. Let’s look at the history of the fall of Jericho, which served as a prelude to the conquest of Canaan in accordance with the guidance of God.
Jos 6:1-16 『Now Jericho was tightly shut up because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in. Then the LORD said to Joshua,”See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men. March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days . . . On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets. When you hear them sound a long blast on the trumpets, have all the people give a loud shout; then the wall of the city will collapse . . .” . . . But Joshua had commanded the people,”Do not give a war cry, do not raise your voices, do not say a word until the day I tell you to shout. Then shout!” . . . On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times. The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the people,”Shout! For the LORD has given you the city!”』
The God-given strategy to conquer the fortified city of Jericho was to shout all at once the moment they were told to”shout.” By obeying the word of God, the Israelites experienced the miracle of Jericho falling down before their very eyes, and they won a victory (Jos 6:20).
Prophetically, we are now in the same situation. The shout which the Israelites gave just before the fall of Jericho is just like the shout that the people of Zion, who have been sent to every region of the world, are giving to lead many souls to repentance before the fall of the spiritual Babylon. The parade of the members who shout the truth of the new covenant will continue towards the whole world, so that there will not even be a single country which the message of the gospel has not been preached to.
Our path is not smooth all the time. Just as the people of Jericho shut the gates of the fortress tightly because they were afraid of the Israelites, the devil in the invisible spiritual world will try to hinder the truth by every means possible because he is afraid that the glory of God will shine bright throughout the world.
However, the water of life is now continuously flowing all over the world, just as it is impossible to stop water flowing once the embankment bursts. Since the members are participating in the gospel with a resolution to live their one and only life for the gospel, even those with weak faith are moved and awakened, so they are now shouting together with one voice. Through the history of the time of Joshua, let’s look into the status of the gospel in this age, so that we can fully carry out our God-given mission.
Joshua who followed God’s will till the end
Even after conquering Jericho, Joshua continued to follow God’s will; he drove out many emigrant peoples from Canaan and distributed the conquered land among the tribes of Israel. As he had a premonition of his death after finishing his mission on this earth, he lastly taught the Israelites never to leave God.
Jos 23:1-11 『After a long time had passed and the LORD had given Israel rest from all their enemies around them, Joshua, by then old and well advanced in years, summoned all Israel—their elders, leaders, judges and officials—and said to them:”I am old and well advanced in years . . . you will take possession of their land, as the LORD your God promised you. Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or to the left . . . do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them . . . So be very careful to love the LORD your God.”』
Jos 24:14-18 『”Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD . . . But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.” Then the people answered,”Far be it from us to forsake the LORD to serve other gods! It was the LORD our God himself who brought us and our fathers up out of Egypt, from that land of slavery, and performed those great signs before our eyes. He protected us on our entire journey and among all the nations through which we traveled . . . We too will serve the LORD, because he is our God.”』
Joshua declared that he would serve only Jehovah until the last moment. He was always with God throughout his lifetime. And in his last will to the Israelites, he asked them not to foolishly lose eternal things while worshiping idols or pursuing worldly wealth or fame, which is vain and meaningless, but to live their lives given by God meaningfully. He lived a true life of faith without any regrets, always walking with God.
It was not only Joshua who lived such a faithful life. Apostle Paul devoted his whole life to preaching the gospel with a determination to live only for God and to nestle in His everlasting arms. So did the warriors of Gideon, Daniel and his friends—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. Moreover, the saints of the early Church kept the faith without even fearing death and without yielding to any threat. They all lived a truly meaningful and rewarding life.
Let us overcome hardship and live a life for the gospel without regrets
Life is given only once. Judas Iscariot, who took a wrong step in life and followed the devious way, finally ended up in irretrievable and eternal destruction. If he had been given one more chance in life, he would not have made the same mistake again. However, there was no more opportunity for him.
Even though the apostles, including Peter and Paul, walked the path of the gospel in the midst of hardship and affliction, they continued to follow Jesus’ words,”You have to take your cross and follow Me in order to be worthy of Me,” and as a result, they had no regrets in their life just before their death. They were confident that there was now in store for them the crown of righteousness in heaven because they had fought the good fight to the fullest and finished the race of faith by helping many souls repent and leading them into the arms of God. So they testified that they had lived their lives without any regrets even though they had gone through many dangers.
2 Co 11:24-30 『Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked . . . If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.』
The life of Apostle Paul was a series of many dangers and hardships just as he confessed. In spite of the repeated sufferings, he walked with God till the end, so he was able to smile in the last moments of his life.
During his one and only life, Paul made a gracious choice to proceed toward the eternal glory of heaven and ran diligently toward the goal. Like Paul and many forefathers of faith, we should also live a meaningful life, so that we will not have any regrets when we go to heaven. For this, let us pray fervently and try our hardest.
God has given us a precious and good way—a once-in-a-life-time opportunity. Even if we took our first step of faith without realizing it fully, the path we are on is the way to the kingdom of heaven, the way to eternal life and salvation, and the way to the glorious future.
There will be nothing more rewarding than being able to live our one and only life fully for the glory of Elohim and to end our life on this earth in God’s grace while proclaiming the glory of Jerusalem to the whole world. Father and Mother have granted us the opportunity to awaken all people around the world with the truth and lead them to salvation, starting with our neighbors. I earnestly ask you, people of Zion, to renew your mind by looking ahead into the glorious future of the kingdom of heaven and to live your one and only life faithfully for the gospel.
By: Bell on June 4, 2011
at 10:43 am
Christ Ahnsahnghong restored the Tree of Life for our salvation.
God has given mankind the Bible in order to ultimately save their souls. Through the Bible, we must meet God our Savior.
The Bible contains many parables. Among them, the history of the Garden of Eden in the book of Genesis shows us how men committed sin in heaven and were cast down to the earth. If we realize the true meaning hidden in this parable, we will be able to break the chain of death that binds us.
The Bible says that there are two kinds of people: those who are given the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, and those who are not (Mt 13:10-16). Those who are given the knowledge of the secrets are indeed blessed; they are given the promise of entering the kingdom of heaven.
The sin of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life
When we study the history of the Garden of Eden, we can see that God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but they ate the forbidden fruit, being tempted by the serpent, and came to die after all.
Ge 2:16-17 『And the Lord God commanded the man,”You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”』
Ge 3:1-6 『”You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.”For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.』
The serpent represents the devil (Rev 12:9). The devil, who is crafty and knows the psychological weaknesses of human beings, approached them and tempted them to commit sin and die.
Actually, the story of Adam and Eve who sinned in the Garden of Eden is a recomposed story of us who sinned in heaven; it helps us understand how we sinned in heaven. All human beings, who are born on this earth, are destined to die because of their sins like Adam and Eve. However, there was the tree of life in the Garden of Eden; if anyone ate from the tree, he would live even though he was once doomed to die because of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Ge 3:22-24 『And the Lord God said,”The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.』
God drove Adam and Eve, who had sinned, out of the Garden of Eden and let cherubim guard the way to the tree of life with a flaming sword.
Forgiveness of sins given through the shedding of blood
As Adam bitterly lamented after losing the tree of life, God showed him the way to eat from the tree of life again (Heb 11:4, 13). Adam testified this truth to his sons. Cain did not accept the truth and offered the products of the soil, but Abel obeyed the truth and sacrificed a lamb with its blood symbolizing the precious blood of Christ. God refused Cain’s offering and only accepted Abel’s sacrifice (Ge 4:1-5).
Heb 9:22 『In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.』
Abel offered a blood sacrifice to God, while Cain presented some of his crops as an offering to Him in his own way. That was why God did not accept Cain’s offering. The Bible says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. So, people had to offer a sacrifice with the shedding of blood when they asked God for forgiveness of sins, so that they could be freed from the sin of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and could eat from the tree of life.
The practice of the blood-shedding sacrifice, which had been handed down from generation to generation since Abel, was codified in the time of Moses, and it was in the sanctuary that the blood sacrifice was made in accordance with the Law of Moses.
Ex 25:9-21 『”Make this tabernacle and all its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you. Have them make a chest of acacia wood . . . Then put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you. Make an atonement cover of pure gold . . . The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you.”』
The sanctuary, where sacrifices were made every day, was partitioned into two parts: the outer room called the”Holy Place,” and the inner room called the”Most Holy Place.” In the Most Holy Place was placed the ark of the covenant, and there were two cherubim above the cover of the ark, called the”Mercy Seat.”
The two cherubim, who had guarded the way to the tree of life in Eden, were stationed over the ark of the covenant. This suggests that the tree of life was in the ark of the covenant. The two cherubim who guarded the ark of covenant also had a flaming sword. So, when Uzzah put his hand on the ark by mistake, he was killed; and when the two sons of Aaron violated the command of God, a fire came out of the ark and devoured them to death (2 Sa 6:1-7; Lev 10:1-3).
Only the high priest could enter the Most Holy Place once a year; but without the shedding of blood, he couldn’t enter. God accepted the sacrifice of Abel because he offered the blood-shedding sacrifice to Him. Likewise, the shedding of blood was required when the high priest entered the Most Holy Place where the guardian cherubim were stationed. All these laws of the Old Testament were a copy and shadow of the realities that would come in the future.
Heb 10:1-4 『The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. . . . because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 』
Heb 10:9 『Then he said,”Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.』
Heb 10:16-20 『”This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Then he adds:”Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.” And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. . . . by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body,』
The law of the Old Testament, which was a shadow, never made perfect the people of God. Only the blood of Christ, who was the reality of sacrifice, could bring them the perfect forgiveness of sins. So, God abolished the old covenant and established the new covenant through the blood of Christ.
Jesus is the reality of the sanctuary and the ark of the covenant
The provisions of the Law, given to Moses by God, seem to be complicated at first sight, but in them there is God’s providence for the forgiveness of our sins.
Heb 9:1-5 『Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant . . .』
When the Israelites were in the desert, they could not build a fixed temple because they had to move very often, so they had a tabernacle [sanctuary] built according to the pattern of the temple. Jesus said that His body was the temple.
Jn 2:19-21 『The Jews replied,”It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.』
The reality of the temple was Jesus. In this temple [sanctuary] was the ark of the covenant which contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant which Moses had received from God. Considering the fact that the two cherubim were guarding the ark, we can clearly see that the ark of the covenant or the three sacred things inside it symbolize the tree of life, that is, Christ. First, let’s confirm that the manna represents Christ.
Jn 6:31-35 『”Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'” . . . Then Jesus declared,”I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.”』
The Israelites had eaten manna from heaven while sojourning in the desert for 40 years until they entered the land of Canaan. This manna was put in a gold jar, and it was placed in the ark of the covenant. As Jesus testified that”I am the bread of life,” the manna represents Jesus who is life.
Second, let’s think about the meaning of Aaron’s staff that had budded. God distinguished Aaron as the high priest through this staff (Nu 17:1-11). Then, why did God place the staff, which was a symbol of the high priest, in the ark of the covenant?
Heb 5:8-10 『Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.』
The sprouted staff of Aaron was also a symbolic representation of Jesus, which showed that Jesus would come to the earth as the high priest. Lastly, let’s find out the reason why God had the stone tablets put in the ark of the covenant.
Jn 1:1-14 『In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.』
Jesus is God, the Word that came in the flesh. So, the tablets of the covenant also represent Jesus, who is God—the Word.
God stationed two cherubim on the cover of the ark of the covenant to guard the manna, Aaron’s staff and the tablets of the covenant. This showed that Jesus would appear as the reality of the tree of life that the cherubim were guarding.
The tree of life given through the Passover
Jesus Himself testified that He is the reality of the tree of life.
Jn 6:53-57 『Jesus said to them,”I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』
God said He would give us the tree of life to eat. This will be the only good news for human beings, who are destined to die because of eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life.” By saying this Jesus meant that He would allow us to eat from the tree of life.
It was God who let the cherubim guard the way to the tree of life so that sinners could not approach it. So, no one except God can open the way to the tree of life again and save us, sinners. Jesus promised us eternal life through His precious flesh and blood. Therefore, without a doubt, Jesus is God Himself. He taught us how to eat His flesh and drink His blood while establishing the Passover of the new covenant, saying,”I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer” (Mt 26:17-28; Mk 14:12-24; Lk 22:7-20).
However, Satan, who hates the truth of the tree of life, instigated people to raise controversy over the Passover three times—in A.D. 155, A.D. 197 and A.D. 325—and finally abolished the Passover during the Council of Nicaea. The Passover, which the Eastern Churches regarded as very important and celebrated continuously, was abolished; instead, Easter, the first Sunday after the Passover, was celebrated, as determined by the Western Churches.
This was the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy that the one who spoke against God would change the set times and the laws of God (Da 7:25). However, there was also a prophecy that God would come again and restore the truth of life—the Passover of the new covenant, which was trampled on by Satan.
Although there were numerous theologians who studied the Bible over centuries, none of them could realize the truth of the Passover. It’s because the tree of life can only be given by God.
God who opened the way to the tree of life
Anyone could not enter the Most Holy Place where the tree of life was placed, but only the high priest could enter there once every year. Jesus came as the high priest in the order of Melchizedek and opened the way to the tree of life.
Heb 6:17-20 『. . . We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.』
The blood of all the animals, which were offered in sacrifice to God in the sanctuary in the Old Testament times, represented the blood of Christ. He came as the high priest in the order of Melchizedek, and through His precious blood He tore the curtain that separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place in the sanctuary. By doing so, Jesus opened the way to the Most Holy Place so that anyone could enter it and come to the tree of life.
The Bible says that Christ, who came to this earth to give mankind life 2,000 years ago, is to come a second time for the same purpose—to give us life, to bring salvation to us.
Heb 9:28 『so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
So, the Second Coming Christ is to bring us the truth of the tree of life—the Passover. By doing that, He is to open all the secrets, which have been sealed from the time of the Garden of Eden until this age of the Holy Spirit.
Those who are not allowed to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven will not understand them; though seeing, they will not see; though hearing, they will not hear. In the days of Jesus, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law did not recognize Jesus, but some fishermen and shepherds who took care of the sheep in the field recognized Him. Even though they were lower in social standing, they recognized God and worshiped Him correctly, so that they were all blessed. Like them, we are very blessed because we are given the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven in this age.
The Bible testifies that the One who gives us eternal life through the aged wine is our God (Isa 25:6-9). Christ Ahnsahnghong has restored the Passover of the new covenant, which has been hidden for a long time since A.D. 325. Surely, He is our Savior in this age, whom we have been waiting for.
God has come to this earth and made known to us all the secrets of the kingdom of heaven in order to save us, sinners, who were expelled from heaven after eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and destined to die forever. I earnestly hope that we, children of God, will all receive the blessing of the forgiveness of sins, given by our God Ahnsahnghong who has brought the tree of life, and will return to the eternal kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on June 4, 2011
at 9:53 pm
world mission church of god is not a church. it is a brainwashing cult.
my wife is there. all she does now everyday is going to church. day and night. study and preach.
she does not care about anything else. church is priority over anything else now. It is really bad.
By: koreaman on June 5, 2011
at 7:14 am
First of all I give all thanks, honor, and glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem forever and ever.
The ultimate goal of our faith is the salvation of our souls (1 Pe 1:9). God came to this earth to give the truth of salvation to us, the heavenly sinners who were doomed to eternal death. So, living a redeemed life by obeying the word of God is the greatest happiness and the biggest profit for us.
As people of Zion, we must discern things spiritually so that we will not suffer any spiritual loss but receive all the spiritual blessings, no matter what hardships we face. To obtain a treasure hidden in a field, we should buy that field even by selling all we have. Likewise, to obtain the treasure called Heaven, we must invest all we have into it—our youth, efforts, and everything else. It would be good if we could get the kingdom of heaven without any loss or damage. However, if we have to choose between two things—physical benefits and spiritual benefits, let us choose the latter so that we may not suffer spiritual loss at all. Thinking of the kingdom of heaven which is close at hand, we must all acquire it.
The spiritual loss of Saul who lost God instead of the fattened animals
In the history of the Bible, there were many foolish people who turned a way from God and forsook their faith in God because they considered physical loss greater than spiritual loss. Through the Bible, let’s get wisdom on what it is to suffer spiritual loss and what the way to accumulate spiritual blessings is.
1 Sa 15:1-23 『Samuel said to Saul,”I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'” . . . But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed. Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel:”I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” . . .”But I did obey the LORD,” Saul said.”I went on the mission the LORD assigned me. I completely destroyed the Amalekites and brought back Agag their king. The soldiers took sheep and cattle from the plunder, the best of what was devoted to God, in order to sacrifice them to the LORD your God at Gilgal.” But Samuel replied:”Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.”』
When God poured out His wrath upon the Amalekites, He ordered Saul to totally destroy everything, even all their animals, but Saul insisted on going his own way.
So, he destroyed the animals that were weak and sick, but spared the good animals the fat calves and lambs—and brought them back alive.
If one just pursues immediate gains, he will suffer a great loss spiritually while not even realizing it. Saul also suffered an enormous spiritual loss while struggling to avoid physical loss, but he did not recognize it at all. God was grieved that He had made Saul king. Since God considered each individual soul much more precious than a sacrifice of lambs or calves, He was grieved to see Saul going far away from the way of life.
The spiritual loss that Saul suffered as a result of his disobedience was really tremendous. Although he obtained large flocks of sheep and herds of cattle, he lost God because of that, so in actuality he lost everything. The only thing that was waiting for him after he lost God was a painful time like eternal hell. After God left Saul, he was seized and tormented by an evil spirit, and in the end he met a miserable death on the battlefield.
Apart from God we can do nothing (Jn 15:5). Our disobedience to God’s word is directly linked to our spiritual loss, and to obey God is the way to accumulate spiritual blessings.
Dt 28:1-6, 15-19 『If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. All these blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the LORD your God: You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country. The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestock—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. Your basket and your kneading trough will be blessed. You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out. . . . However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country. Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed. The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.』
Disobedience always brings forth a curse, so nothing can go well. The history of Saul, who brought spiritual loss upon himself by insisting on his own thoughts instead of obeying God’s word fully, teaches us an important lesson. Today, we also often stand at crossroads of choice. Sometimes we suffer spiritual loss by pursuing physical gain, and sometimes we suffer physical loss by pursuing spiritual gain. Which one is the correct choice?
The spiritual loss of Esau who sold his birthright for a bowl of lentil stew
We must regard God’s word as absolute, realizing that obedience to God’s word is the way to receive the greatest gain and to accumulate blessings. If we don’t, we will lose even the blessings that we have already received and will regret it belatedly.
The book of Genesis introduces a case of another person who suffered spiritual loss but failed to realize it.
Ge 25:27-34 『 . . . Once when Jacob was cooking some stew, Esau came in from the open country, famished. He said to Jacob,”Quick, let me have some of that red stew! I’m famished!” (That is why he was also called Edom.) Jacob replied,”First sell me your birthright.””Look, I am about to die,” Esau said.”What good is the birthright to me?” But Jacob said,”Swear to me first.” So he swore an oath to him, selling his birthright to Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau some bread and some lentil stew. He ate and drank, and then got up and left. So Esau despised his birthright.』
Like Esau who despised his birthright, there are many people in the world who do not realize what it is to suffer spiritual loss and neglect spiritual things. Satan always uses a little bait to take a great spiritual thing away from us. In the case of Esau, he obtained a bowl of lentil stew, but instead he lost great spiritual privileges.
Ge 27:30-37 『After Isaac finished blessing him and Jacob had scarcely left his father’s presence, his brother Esau came in from hunting. He too prepared some tasty food and brought it to his father. Then he said to him,”My father, sit up and eat some of my game, so that you may give me your blessing.” . . . Isaac trembled violently and said,”Who was it, then, that hunted game and brought it to me? I ate it just before you came and I blessed him—and indeed he will be blessed!” When Esau heard his father’s words, he burst out with a loud and bitter cry and said to his father,”Bless me—me too, my father!” . . .”Haven’t you reserved any blessing for me?” Isaac answered Esau,”I have made him lord over you and have made all his relatives his servants, and I have sustained him with grain and new wine. So what can I possibly do for you, my son?”』
This is a representative example of spiritual loss. Esau thought that since he was the eldest son, he would naturally receive the birthright blessing no matter what he did.
So, he simply sold his birthright to his brother Jacob without giving it much thought.
Eventually Jacob came to receive the birthright blessing in accordance with God’s will. Only after losing the blessing did Esau realize its value. Then he burst out with a loud and bitter cry and begged his father Isaac to bless him too, saying,”Don’t you have even a small blessing left for me?” However, it was too late.
Both Esau and King Saul did not realize the value of God’s word, and that was why they suffered a tremendous spiritual loss. We must avoid spiritual loss even if we have to suffer the loss of earthly things. The New Testament also earnestly asks us not to incur any spiritual loss.
Heb 12:14-17 『. . . See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. He could bring about no change of mind, though he sought the blessing with tears.』
We must acquire the kingdom of heaven even though we suffer any physical loss.
If we neglect the heavenly kingdom which God has given us freely, we will lose it.
Even if we beg God for mercy on the Day of Judgment, it is too late. Esau was never able to regain his birthright which he had once sold.
A blessing from God depends on how much we value God’s word and how obedient we are to it. We should respect and fear the word of God. Why do you think so many people today disobey God’s commandments while claiming to believe in God? They turn away from the truth described in the Bible and adhere to the rules of men. This is proof that they do not value God’s word at all. Think how much more severely they deserve to be punished.
We must also be on our guard against those things since we have received the blessing of the firstborn of heaven. Although we are God’s people who live in Zion, God’s blessings are not given to us unconditionally, regardless of whether we obey God’s word or not. Saul was a king, but he was deprived of his throne. Esau was the eldest son, but he was deprived of his birthright. Both of them failed to receive the blessings which originally belonged to them. This was the result of having lived without caring for spiritual loss.
However, Jacob valued the birthright and its blessing. So, he never missed the blessing of God even when the socket of his thigh was dislocated. Thus, God’s blessing comes upon those who make every effort to receive it. While many people neglect the spiritual loss which is invisible and pursue worldly values, those who know the value of a blessing from God make more effort than others and continuously accumulate blessings. That’s why the Bible says that those who forcefully advance the kingdom of heaven will enter it (Ge 32:22-30; Mt 11:12).
The spiritual loss of Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver
Let us diligently run toward the kingdom of heaven, forcefully advancing it, so that we will not lose this precious blessing of the firstborn of heaven. We should pray fervently, study God’s word diligently, and preach the gospel eagerly with all our hearts and minds, and we must joyfully obey the teachings of God the Father and God the Mother above all else.
Everything goes well if we abide in God; but if we leave God, irrevocable things will happen. In one of the New Testament Gospels, we can find another person who brought an irrevocable fatal spiritual loss upon himself.
Mt 26:14-16 『Then one of the Twelve—the one called Judas Iscariot—went to the chief priests and asked,”What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.』
Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve disciples of Jesus, haggled with the chief priests over the blood price they would pay for the betrayal of Jesus. He decided to betray Jesus, who was his teacher, into the hands of His enemies for the payment of 30 silver coins. Since he committed such an infamous and heinous act—the sin of betraying God who came to save mankind—for 30 pieces of silver, how much more severely do you think he deserves to be punished for his sin?
Mt 26:47-52 『While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them:”The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” Going at once to Jesus, Judas said,”Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him. Jesus replied,”Friend, do what you came for.” Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. . . .』
Judas Iscariot and Peter, although they were all disciples of Jesus, were too different from each other. While Judas was greedy for money and betrayed Jesus, Peter stood at Jesus’ side and opposed the servants of the high priest when they tried to arrest Jesus. One of them continuously suffered an enormous spiritual loss, and the other continually accumulated blessings.
Afterwards, Judas Iscariot felt guilty when he saw Jesus being arrested and dragged, and he returned the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests. However, his choice was irrevocable and he met a miserable death in the end (Mt 27:1-8; Ac 1:16-19).
Learning a lesson from their cases, we need to correctly understand what it is to suffer spiritual loss and should live according to the Spirit, following the word of God. Our life is an opportunity given us, who have been cast down to this earth as a result of committing sin in heaven, to repent of our sin—not to disobey God’s will and go astray.
Faith that holds fast to spiritual blessings till the end
You may have ever read the Aesop’s fable of The Fox and the Crow. One day, a fox saw a crow sitting on a branch of a tree with a piece of cheese in her beak. The fox set his wits to work to discover some way of getting the cheese.
“Hello, Mrs. Crow! How beautiful you look today! Would you please sing a song for me?” On hearing these flattering words from the fox under the tree, the crow became puffed up, and after clearing her throat, she loudly screamed:”Caw! Caw!” As soon as she opened her beak, the cheese fell to the ground, and the fox snapped it up.
Satan aims at this kind of thing. He seems to give us something, but the moment we try to grab it, he takes away everything we have. This is a trick of Satan. We must hold fast to the crown of life, which God has given us. If we let go of it to grasp worldly things, Satan does not miss the moment and takes it away from us. We must not forget this.
2 Ti 4:10-11 『for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. Only Luke is with me.』
When the Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy, he expressed his anxiousness over Demas who loved the world and left God. The foolish people like Judas Iscariot, Esau and King Saul, who incurred spiritual loss upon themselves but did not realize it—they must have been weeping so bitterly.
Let us reflect upon ourselves: Have we done things that can cause spiritual loss or things that can bring forth blessings? Do we value the birthright of the firstborn of heaven? Or do we pursue the things of this world? No matter what we do, whatever may happen, we must judge everything spiritually and choose the path that will not lead to spiritual loss. So the Apostle Peter, when the Jews threatened him not to preach Jesus, said,”Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God” (Ac 4:17-20). By discerning the spiritual loss and gain, we must never forsake the word of God.
If we think that we will obtain something great while disobeying God’s word, it is a big misunderstanding. We can proceed toward the eternal kingdom of heaven only when we always respect Elohim and follow Them by depending on Their words and listening to Their voice. Let us never lose the birthright of the firstborn of heaven to inherit the kingdom of heaven. Just as Jacob clung to God for blessing until the socket of his thigh was dislocated, let us continuously ask God for blessings without suffering any spiritual loss and live according to God’s word as children of heaven, so that we can all enter the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on June 6, 2011
at 12:45 pm
Yesterday I woke up at 4 AM and found my wife gone. I ask the maids where she is. The maids told me that she is in the church and that she has been doing it for over a week already. I rarely get to sleep with her because of the type of job that I’m in (I work at night). And then she’s gone. When she came home yesterday morning, she told me that it is their feast time and that she has to be there. I felt so sad and dissapointed. She never told me about this. She just run away in the middle of the night.
My wife goes to work during the day. She has been going to church in the morning and in the evening everyday without my knowledge. With it, she rarely has time for herself to rest, for me and for our kid.
I don’t know how to stop her. Everytime we (my mother-in-law and I) tried to stop her, she looks like she going to burst into anger. She is very scary. I had to tell her every time that we are stopping her because we love her.
She is supposed to be operated with gall stones last Sunday but we found out that she called the doctor and had the operation postponed to another week. She told us that the doctor is not available but in reality, it is because of the feast.
With regard to her going to Korea to see their so called heavenly mother, she admitted that she booked a flight but she is not going. Now that is a relief. At this time, according to her, she is needed the most by her family because the baby is still small and all that. She can go the following year. My wife is starting to talk with sense. I just hope she is telling the truth. But then, it could be another lie. Who knows? She has been lying ever since she got involved with the cult.
I apologize for starting to tell you about what’s happening in my life right now as a result of our involvement with the COG. I am in constant pain with the thought that this is happening in my married life. I badly need help and I just need somebody to hear me out every now and then. I have been consulting with a number of people from other religious groups and sometimes the most immediate thing that I can do to ease the pain is to tell my story in this blog.
I took Jamie’s advise. Thanks Jamie. I found a support group. It was a suggestion by a friend of my mother-in-law’s and hopefully it will fit my schedule in the next two weeks. (I am working 9 hours every night for the whole week and I go to school three times a week).
Until my next contribution… Good morning everyone and God Bless us all.
By: Rob on June 7, 2011
at 10:10 am
Hi Rob, I was wondering, did you ever actually go to the church or are you just assuming it is cultish? This is a serious question because I know with all of my loved ones I have begged them to just come and SEE that we are not crazy but for some reason they refuse to come which is odd to me…I mean it’s not weird or anything and everyone is really nice.
Also, please don’t think your wife is crazy for waking up early to go to the Church. It is for one of the Feasts of God, and actually it’s a lot of blessing : ) No one says oh you BETTER come or else! Or anything like that, we just saw it through the Bible (did you know that Ascension say is biblicaly a feast of God! and the apostles prayed daily leading up to the Day of Pentecost. seriously I mean I didn’t know because most Christians don’t observe it and my family didn’t, but all of it is in the Bible : )
I don’t know if you asked her about any of this or anything, but if not you should just ask your wife ‘why are you doing this? or that?’ because one time my mother asked me the same thing and I explained it to her that it’s because It’s in the Bible. Also, I’m not sure if you believe in the Bible as fact or not but I think that makes a big difference. I remember for one feast my boyfriend rolled his eyes when I said I would be going to the Church to observe the feast and he said he doesn’t think I have to do that, but at that time (and it wasn’t because I didn’t love him) I had to weigh his word (which really had no meat other than the fact that…he just didn’t think I should be doing it lol) against the clear testimony which I had seen through the Bible. Since I believe the Bible to be word of God of course I
didn’t do what he wanted, and I went to observe the Feast of God instead. So I guess I’m just telling my story because I feel like sometimes our loved ones think we are acting strangely and that we don’t care what they say, but it’s not that It’s just that we are following God’s word.
Also I’m not sure why I keep seeing people say they are afraid their family members won’t come back from Korea. Actually I’m realllly confused by that lol. It’s just a trip to see Heavenly Mother and then you come back *shrug* Why wouldn’t your family member return? hrmm.
Anyways, I don’t know if you have gone to see the church, but if you just see for yourself maybe that would clear things up. Honestly I’m not sure why people on here are making us out to be bad people because that’s not the case at all. Anyways I’ll pray to Father and Mother to bless you and your family ^_^
God Bless You!
By: Praying for no more misunderstandings on June 21, 2011
at 2:36 pm
Oh yeah, so the reason we would get upset (or at least why I got upset when my mother tried to stop me once) is because it is the word of God, right, so someone deliberately trying to stop us from simply following God’s law is actually really hurtful and frustrating and upsetting. (Cause you mentioned that you tried to stop her and she got upset). I think if the Feasts of God weren’t proven through the Bible then of course no one would get upset for someone trying to stop them, but since they are proven it’s kinda like…..why are you trying to stop me from folloiwng God’s word? Know what I mean? And simply saying “it’s not God’s word!” does not dispute all the testimony in the Bible so…yeah! lol okay hope that bring some understanding. oh! okay so you find the cure to your disease and you have PROOF that it’s the cure, but your loved one tries to stop you from receiving the cure and says no it is not the cure! even though you have proof. It’s like that. Or at least from my side thats what it felt like. okay hope that gives more understanding. anyways. : )
God Bless You!
By: Praying for no more misunderstandings on June 21, 2011
at 2:44 pm
Hi “Praying for no more misunderstandings”
I appreciate reading your response. It’s so much better to read what you have to say in your own words that the copy and pasting that Bell does. Thank you.
What you are saying is true in this–when someone has a sincere faith, they should act on it and live their life accordingly. Whatever faith that is (Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, etc.) if they say they believe it, but don’t live it out, then you get the feeling that maybe they don’t really believe it completely (or don’t understand it fully).
I live my faith out every day to the best of my ability, and when I fail, I’m thankful for a God who forgives and understands me and is not counting points towards my ticket to heaven.
When my sister (who is a wmscog member) lives out her faith in the things she does (like Rob’s wife), I’m not surprised nor am I upset with her for that. I know it’s because she sincerely believes it. The problem is in what she believes.
For example (and I know this is extreme, but it’s just an example), the Muslim terrorists–their actions come from a sincere believe in their faith. If they sincerely believe, would you expect anything different? But the problem is in what they believe, right?
There are problems in what the WMSCOG believes, and there are also problems in in the organization itself that show it to be deceitful. No one wants to hear this about an organization they love, but sometimes it’s more important to know the truth than to be comfortable.
Please visit these websites so you can understand the problems, and then decide with your own mind what to do:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/
By: genny on June 24, 2011
at 11:58 pm
God bless you all.
As the workers of the new covenant diligently preach the Word, our heavenly family members throughout the world are now coming back to Zion to find the truth. The place doesn’t seem to matter as long as they can preach. They are intent on preaching the gospel throughout the nation and overseas; some preach on a plane; some preach on an aircraft carrier while doing their military service; and others in various different circumstances.
Whether on land, on the sea or in the air, they all preach God’s word fervently, so the work of the gospel is being accomplished rapidly.
Many of the people of Zion are led into the truth. Among them, there are those who understand the truth right away and those who are somewhat slow to understand why God should come in the flesh. Now, let’s think about what kind of faith we should have to recognize God correctly through the sermon titled “We Can See God Only as Much as We Realize Him.”
We can see God according to our faith
2,000 years ago, Jesus’ disciples had respectively different kinds of faith. Some recognized Jesus right away, while some didn’t.
Philip once asked Jesus to show him the Father. Then Jesus said, “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” (Jn 14:6-9). Philip thought that Jesus was more than a prophet, but he didn’t realize that He was God the Father until that time.
Even though the disciples were all taught by Jesus, they viewed Jesus differently. Peter recognized Jesus as the Christ giving eternal life (Jn 6:68-69). Thomas, however, doubted even when he heard the news of His resurrection. He came to believe in Jesus after he saw the nail marks in His hands and put his hand into His side where the spear had been thrust into Him. Then he confessed, “My Lord and my God!” (Jn 20:24-29). What about Judas Iscariot? He didn’t see the true nature of Jesus but only looked at His physical life, so he eventually betrayed Him.
Why did they have different views about Jesus? It was because they had different kinds of faith respectively. We can’t see things clearly through foggy glasses. To see what is in front of us clearly, we need to clean our glasses. Likewise, if we look at God with foggy eyes, we cannot see Him even though He is right in front of us.
When we clean everything that obscures our spiritual eyes, we can see God clearly. To those who understand, God adds wisdom to understand Him even more, but to those who don’t understand, He adds factors raising even more doubts, as the Bible says: “Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.”
Those who have a partial understanding of God will see Him only partially. However, those who understand God fully will see Him in His entirety. God shows Himself 100% to those who have 100% faith in Him, and 50% to those who have 50% faith. As an example, when Jesus climbed the Mount of Transfiguration, accompanied by His disciples—Peter, James and John, He showed them His original image as God (Mt 17:1-8). However, Judas Iscariot never saw His glorious appearance.
The disciples who were blessed more greatly because of their faith
We should completely understand God to see Him fully. The more we believe in God and understand Him, the more testimonies and wisdom God gives us so that we can fully understand Him. However, God hides Himself from those who have no understanding and are full of doubt (Isa 45:15). God does a wondrous thing—showing Himself to us only as much as we understand Him.
Mt 16:13-20 『When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.』
Jesus told His children, who recognized Him, not to tell anyone that He was the Christ, for there were spiritual blessings that only those recognizing Christ were to receive. Jesus gave credit to the faith of Peter who recognized Him correctly as the Christ who came to this earth (in the flesh). So, He granted him a tremendous gift—the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and showed him His mighty power through miraculous works many times. He showed him His transfigured appearance, and when Peter and his fellow fishermen didn’t catch anything all night, He let them catch a huge haul of fish enough to make the boat almost sink. By doing that, Jesus convinced them that He was the Christ and God Himself. Thus, God gives more understanding to those who understand.
Jesus, whom the Apostles Paul, Peter and John saw, was God in nature. Like them, we should not doubt but believe that God Elohim, our heavenly Father and Mother, is our Creator who made all things. Then God will show us His mighty power by doing many wonderful works.
Jn 1:1-14 『In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it . . . The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God . . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.』
John recognized Jesus as God, the Word, who was in the beginning and became flesh and made His dwelling among us. To those who didn’t believe, Jesus appeared to be a mere man, a carpenter, but John saw Him as God who created all things.
John, who had a good understanding, was very delighted and thankful that he was breathing together with God in the same space and participating in the great work of God. Just as a child tries to capture his mother’s attention, following her around, John went near to Jesus, laying his head on Jesus’ shoulder or expressing fiery indignation against the impious people who tried to obstruct His path (Jn 13:23; Lk 9:51-56).
He realized that God became flesh and made His dwelling among us. With this realization he looked at God and always paid careful attention to everything He did, so he was able to understand how much He loved us, humans, and came to realize more and more what blessing would be given to those who obeyed His word. Although he was persecuted and put to death for the name of Christ, he was willing to suffer, looking forward to the glory of heaven. Since he had such great faith, he was able to write the book of Revelation—the last will of God, even when he was exiled on the island of Patmos, and was greatly blessed to write about the heavenly Mother, the Bride of the Lamb.
Those who had seen God, and yet didn’t recognize Him
Jesus’ teachings of life were preached to all people throughout Judea. Some people understood them, but some didn’t; some believed, while some rejected.
God approaches each of us in a different way. To those who do not believe, He shows them more things that are hard to believe, but to His children who believe He shows more of His glorious works that make them even more convinced. This providence of God is so amazing and even fearful.
Jn 10:30-33 『”I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”』
The Jews didn’t recognize the true identity of Jesus as God no matter how many miraculous signs and wonders He performed among them. Their eyes and hearts were seared as with a hot iron, and they viewed Jesus’ teachings with an unbelieving heart. So, even though Jesus showed them that He was God who came in the flesh, they did not believe; rather, they were very hostile against Him and became possessed by more wicked thoughts. God eventually gave them the opportunity to crucify Jesus. He let the evildoers do more evil.
To Judas Iscariot who doubted, God showed more things that caused doubt. ‘Is this really the Christ?’ ‘Is He able to save us?’ With eyes full of doubt, he looked at Jesus, who had no beauty or majesty to attract him to Him like a root out of dry ground. Jesus was not educated, nor did He possess worldly power like governors in those days. The words from His mouth were great and amazing, but He was apparently powerless and didn’t seem to be God.
Since Judas Iscariot had these doubtful thoughts, the devil entered into him and prompted him to betray Jesus. Finally, he plotted together with those who seemed physically powerful, and played a leading role in crucifying Jesus.
Mt 26:47-54 『While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people . . . With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”』
Even while Jesus was on this earth in the flesh, He could summon more than twelve legions of angels. God changed His heavenly robe for an earthly one, but it did not mean a change in His divine nature and power.
God dwelt in the same flesh as us, and lived together with His disciples, limited by time and space. So, although Peter recognized God, even his faith hesitated at a critical moment. For all that, Jesus gave His disciples, who had faith in Him, even greater faith after His resurrection; and He convinced them that He loved them to the end, before He went up to heaven. Jesus showed them His resurrected body by rising from the dead on the third day, and was taken up to heaven before their very eyes. He continually showed further convincing evidence to those who believed.
However, Judas Iscariot, who did not have a genuine faith, never witnessed those glorious scenes, and he just ended up betraying Jesus and bringing destruction upon himself, as described in the Bible.
The world does not know God who has come to this earth in the flesh. To those who slander, everything is seen as a cause or object of reproach. So Jesus said, “Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me” (Mt 11:6). Those who correctly recognize Christ and understand Him are truly blessed.
Let’s look at the true nature of God
2,000 years ago, when Jesus was crucified on the cross, those who did not believe only focused on the thought, ‘What kind of power will He use to get Himself out of the critical situation?’ However, Jesus silently endured the extreme pain and suffering on the cross, shedding His blood. To the eyes of those who did not believe, it seemed like Jesus suffered because He was powerless. However, those who understood were able to see the Christ being “pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities,” as described in Isaiah 53. Christ allowed those people to witness the miracle of His being raised from the dead on the third day.
In this age, if we fully understand that the Bible is the word of God, we should accept the teachings of the truth about God Elohim, who appears in the Bible, with an open heart. God does not need man’s testimony about man, for He knows what is in a man (Jn 2:25). If the Bible testifies about God, we need to believe it. When we believe in the teachings of the Bible and look at God, we are able to see the true nature of God.
Hos 6:3-6 『”Let us acknowledge the Lord; let us press on to acknowledge him. As surely as the sun rises, he will appear; he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth . . . For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.”』
The Bible tells us to know God—to press on to know Him. Even though we offer a sacrifice to God through worship a thousand or ten thousand times, unless we know God, it is useless. If we worship God without believing in Him correctly, we are no different than the foolish people who worshiped an unknown god in Athens as the Apostle Paul witnessed (Ac 17:22-23).
Look at God who is with us, having faith. When we look at God through the eyes of faith, we are able to see God performing miracles even at this moment, just as Jesus transfigured Himself before His disciples and fed over 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fish. If one does not see such a miracle even though it is being performed before his very eyes, it is because his spiritual glasses are fogged up. God does not change like shifting shadows (Jas 1:17). It is an individual view of faith towards God that obscures His true identity.
Since the Bible says that God takes more delight in our knowing Him than in sacrifices, we should press on to know God and understand Him. Remembering that God opens the way to receive blessings for those who believe and understand, let’s have a correct knowledge and understanding of God so that we may receive the blessings of heaven, as did Peter and John.
Surely, our God has great power to save the world. I hope that all you brothers and sisters in Zion will guide all mankind to the right path as the salt and light of the world, by having faith and participating in the amazing work of the gospel which is being accomplished by Elohim our holy God.
By: Bell on June 8, 2011
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THANK YOU HEAVENLY FATHER AND MOTHER FOR SHOWING US THE TOWARDS SALAVATION IN THE LAST AGE ALL PRAISES AND ALL GLORY ARE GIVEN TO ELOHIM AND OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN CHRIST Ahnsahnghong.
By: MELCHIZEDEK on June 10, 2011
at 3:26 am
Hello members of Church of God,
Have you read works by the earliest church fathers…like Clement of Rome (96 CE), Ignatius (35 CE – 107 CE), Justin Martyr (100-165 CE), Papias (60-130 CE), Polycarp (69-155 CE). These church fathers, amongst many others lived around the same time as the authors of the New Testament. It might be interesting to consider how they, having lived amongst the authors of the New Testament, interpreted what had been written. It is a great way to protect ourselves from entering into false biblical theologies.
Additionally, do you know how the bible was compiled? I have more studying to do myself, however, I know that you are claiming the bible is the word of God – yet those that God gave the authority to compile the books of the bible (which you claim to be God’s word) are the same people that you declare are heretics and have corrupted the truth of Jesus. I’m just raising a question.
I’m thankful that God has given Christians historical evidence of biblical truth, along with the Holy Spirit to help us discern His word.
By: Thankful for History on June 21, 2011
at 10:36 am
Who is this ‘mother’? what is her name? how old is she? is she married? does she have children of her own? What is going to happen to your ‘church’ when this person pass away?
By: koreaman on June 10, 2011
at 4:51 pm
How much do we know God?
People in the world have their own thoughts about God. As for God who exists as spirit, His divine nature and power are beyond human imagination, so people cannot dare to estimate them. Moreover, when God comes in the flesh, it is impossible for humans to understand Him by their own wisdom, so each of them looks at God from a different point of view.
At Jesus’ first coming, people thought, ‘How could God come in human form?’ So, some people said about Jesus,”He is out of his mind,” some said,”He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect” (Ac 24:5), and others insisted that He should be crucified. Some considered Jesus as one of the prophets, some as Elijah, but the apostles like Peter and Paul recognized Him as the”Christ” and”being in very nature God.”
God wants people to have knowledge of God and to be saved, and has given mankind the Bible as a book that testifies about God. I hope that the members of Zion will all have correct knowledge and understanding of God and the right faith to testify about God to all people around the world.
Those who understood Christ differently from one another
2,000 years ago, the greatest and most joyful news to mankind was delivered to the shepherds who were keeping watch over their flocks in the fields at night. It was the good news that Christ came to this earth in the flesh to save mankind from sin. They ran to Bethlehem in a hurry to see and worship Christ.
Lk 2:8-20 『And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them,”Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” . . . When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another,”Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.” So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, . . . The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.』
The shepherds received Jesus, who was born as a baby on this earth, as their Savior, just as the angels had told them. And a man called Simeon, who was righteous and devout, took the baby Jesus in his arms and said,”Truly, this is the one who will save us” (Lk 2:25-35). They correctly recognized Jesus, who came in the flesh, as God and the Messiah. However, other people looked at Him from a completely different viewpoint.
Mk 3:20-21 『Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said,”He is out of his mind.”』
There were people who recognized Jesus and rejoiced greatly like the shepherds and Simeon, and there were also those who just thought that He was mad and tried to capture Him. Some did not even hesitate to commit the heinous act of attempting to kill God incarnate.
Jn 10:30-33 『”I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them,”I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?””We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews,”but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”』
God testified about Himself, but the Jews who claimed to believe in God fervently in those days did not recognize God and tried to stone Jesus. No matter how many good deeds Jesus did and no matter how many times He spoke about the things of the kingdom of God, they shut their ears and rejected Jesus, and eventually they committed the sin of crucifying Him.
Faith that recognizes God correctly
In some people’s eyes, God who came in the flesh appeared to be a heretic who blasphemed God in His name. In another people’s eyes, He appeared to be a prophet or rabbi. And in the other people’s eyes, He appeared to be a mere son of a carpenter or just an ordinary man. Thus, people had different views of Jesus. However, when Jesus asked His disciples,”Who do you say I am?” Peter replied,”You are the Christ,” meaning that He was God who came as the Son.
Mt 16:13-20 『When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples,”Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied,”Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.””But what about you?” he asked.”Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered,”You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied,”Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. . . .”』
To Peter who recognized God correctly, the keys of the kingdom of heaven were given. As the Bible says that eternal life is given to those who know the only true God and Christ (Jn 17:3), the way to receive eternal life and the keys of the kingdom of heaven is to know and understand God. Having correct knowledge and understanding of God—Jehovah in the age of the Father, Jesus Christ in the age of the Son, and the Spirit and the Bride in the age of the Holy Spirit—is the shortcut to eternal life. In this age, when God has come to this earth the second time as the Spirit and the Bride to save mankind, many people think of God in different ways. Most people reject God like the Jews, but some receive God like the shepherds. Through this, God distinguishes between those who will be blessed and those who will not.
As people of Zion, we must all receive Heavenly Father and Mother, who have become incarnate on the earth, and possess enough faith to enter the eternal kingdom of heaven, and we should put forth more effort to preach Father and Mother. God our Savior has come to this earth—this is the most joyful news in the world.
Lk 2:8-12 『But the angel said to them,”Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been
born to you; he is Christ the Lord. . . .”』
Here,”good news” means the gospel. In other words, the good news that God has come to this earth to save us is the core of the gospel.
Like the shepherds who delivered the good news of the birth of the Savior to Mary and Joseph, we who have known and understood God earlier should preach the good news that God has come to this earth to save mankind to people who do not yet realize God. The gospel prophets in the early Church preached the joyful news that Christ came to this earth in Samaria and to the ends of the earth, and led the people who received Jesus as their Savior to the eternal kingdom of heaven. We, too, should preach this good news boldly to all nations, so that all people will repent and come to God.
God wants to work with His people
When we look at the history of preaching described in the Bible, we can see that God has the following three characteristics: First, God surely works with His people.
Second, God shows His love through His people and conveys it to all mankind.
Third, God wants to always work alive in His people when He carries out His work of salvation for mankind.
Now, let’s take a look at the scenes where God is working with us, and realize what God’s will is for us to become the workers of the new covenant.
2 Co 6:1-2 『As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. For he says,”In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.』
We are blessed to work with God and preach God’s salvation. God wants to work with us, and helps us. Nevertheless, did we not sometimes complain about doing this work or become lazy? Let us reflect upon ourselves.
Today, too, God asks us,”I want to work with you. Don’t you want to work with Me?” Whoever understands God who has come in the flesh correctly should do the work of testifying about God and preaching Him, along with God.
Isa 41:10-13 『”So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. All who rage against you will surely be ashamed and disgraced; those who op-pose you will be as nothing and perish. . . . For I am the LORD, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you.”』
2 Co 1:3-5 『Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. . . .』
When we work with God, we don’t have to hesitate at the reproaches and insults of people. Those who believed that God was with them and boldly said,”Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God,” like Peter and John, led many souls to the way of salvation (Ac 4:19). Their names will shine forever in the kingdom of heaven as well as in the Bible.
God is with us in any situation, and comforts us in all our troubles. God encourages and strengthens us, and does the work of preaching the gospel with us. Believing this firmly, we should go to Samaria and even to the ends of the earth with God to preach the blessed and joyful news that Father and Mother have come to save us.
God wants to manifest His love through His people
Now, let’s confirm that God wants to show His love to all people through His people, which is the second characteristic of God.
Jn 15:12-15 『”My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. . . .”』
Since God wants to show His love through us, He tells us,”Love each other as I have loved you.” Parents even credit the honor they deserve to their children, so that their children will receive praise from people of the world. Likewise, God has entrusted us with the blessed errand of preaching God’s love, in order to give us the eternal glory of heaven.
1 Jn 4:11-21 『Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. . . . And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. . . . And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.』
God wants to dwell in us and to express His love through us. The Bible describes the person who does not love as”a murderer” and the”one who does not have God.”
When we do the work of God, which we cannot do with our sinful nature, we can make sure that God is now working with us while being alive in us.
God can save all mankind by His word. As He sent His angels to tell the shepherds the good news of Christ’s birth, so He can now send His angels to preach the good news to all mankind, so that the gospel work will be accomplished in an instant.
However, God does not do that, but instead He has entrusted us with the gospel. It is because He wants to bless us and to help us resemble His divine nature. By doing the work of God, we come to know God’s heart and have the love of God who has been so anxious to save His children.
1 Pe 4:7-8 『The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray. Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.』
God wants to express His love through us, and has chosen us as instruments to carry out this duty. So, we must not keep silent but express God’s love. This is why we should preach the gospel and show love to others.
When we look back upon our past lives, there were times when we did not understand God’s earnest mind and found it hard to preach the gospel. God helps us in everything, but sometimes we try to persuade people with our own knowledge and ability instead of relying on God’s help, and that makes it difficult to preach to them.
All we have to do is just tell them what we have heard and seen.
God wants to work alive in His people
Now, let’s examine the fact through the Bible that God wants to always dwell in us, which is the last and third characteristic of God.
Gal 2:20 『I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.』
Heb 13:5-9 『. . . because God has said,”Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.” So we say with confidence,”The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” . . . 』
God has repeatedly said that He will always be with us. So Paul, when he received Jesus, crucified himself and faithfully carried out the work God wanted to do while having God in him. When he looked back upon his life, he was confident that since he had fulfilled the mission given to him, there was in store for him the crown of righteousness, and gave us hope by saying that this crown of life would be awarded not only to him, but also to all who longed for the day of God’s coming.
We must realize God who has come to this earth in the flesh and also understand God’s desired will, so that we can work with God and express God’s love while always having God in us. Now let us think again how much we know about God and how much we understand the heart of God. If we have known God, we should lead many souls to the way of salvation by putting God’s desired will into practice instead of just being satisfied with knowing.
When we consider the fact that 3,000 people repented in just one day through the preaching of Peter, we cannot help but reflect on how fully we have contained God in our minds and preached the gospel. Let us quickly preach the Spirit and the Bride, who have come to this earth as our Saviors, to all people. Some may reject the Spirit and the Bride without realizing Them, but those who understand Them will receive the right to become children of God and reach the eternal kingdom of heaven.
We can do everything by the power of God, not by our own ability. Let us all wake up and try our hardest to make this year a wonderful year for the gospel by working with God. I repeatedly ask you all to fill each and every day of your life with beautiful and gracious moments, so that you can confidently say that you have lived a life without regrets, preaching the gospel, like Paul.
By: Bell on June 11, 2011
at 8:55 pm
Hrmmm this has been an interesting read. but actually i’m not really sure why people bash Church of God members so much. As far as I’ve seen from the posts everything they believe is biblical. And one thing I’ve noticed is that when a church of God member points out that those bashing them mostly follow man’s traditions, and not Christ’s the bashers always seem to dance around that fact. Why is that? I mean it’s pretty clear that Sunday worship is not biblical, so why would you say I have Jesus Christ as my savior but then follow pagan tradition? I dunno but stuff like that just never made any sense to me. Especially Christmas because I used to be really into wicca and It’s no coincidence that wiccan holiday and Christmas are basically identical. I know not all Christians celebrate Christmas, but didn’t God specifically say that one shouldn’t participate in other God’s festivals? Isn’t this the same reason some Christians don’t participate in Samhain? (Halloween). Wiccan festival of the harvest? If you ask me I feel like I’d be safer at least following what the Bible said then bashing people and following my own traditions. But then I stopped believing in Christianity after seeing the hypocrisy. *shrug*
Another thing, didn’t Christ specifically say His followers should preach? So thennn why bash these people for actually doing what Christ commanded. Just saying. I mean. You know I was flipping through channels and saw whats his name….joel olsteen and it was pretty disgusting. You know he has millions of followers or something but I seriously don’t think the man has ever opened the Bible. lol he was asked about revelation and he goes uhhhm Well that is kinda a difficult book…but anyways God loves us! LOL yeah ok. If you’re going to call yourself a Christian at least follow the book. Of course modern day Christians think these people are a cult how many modern day Christians actually follow the Bible? Just sayin’ Maybe the Westerners should take notes from the Muslims. At least even the deviants of Islam follow 90% of what their books says. Anyways. End rant. : )
By: why so scared of people who actually follow the bible???? on June 21, 2011
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For Christians who are walking the path of faith with the hope for heaven, it is important to know the word of God. However, what is more important is to put the Word into practice. People in the world have a positive expectation that Christians will be different from other people in some ways because they believe in God. So, if they see a Christian doing evil, they become greatly disappointed and come to distrust Christianity itself and look away from it, saying, “Christians are not different.”
If we are true Christians, we should be careful in everything we say and do. Our speech or behavior may lead people around us to the kingdom of heaven or to destruction. Considering this, we should follow the example of God as heavenly children called by God, so that we can lead people around us to feel like believing in God through our good deeds.
The importance of good deeds worthy of Christians
This is an anecdote about Gandhi, a nationalist, who took the lead in gaining independence for India from the control of Britain. In his youth, he tried to be a Christian. At that time, he was boarding with a Christian family.
Unfortunately, the couple frequently quarreled with each other. Being very disappointed with the people who claimed to believe in Jesus but always quarreled and bred discord unlike the teaching of Jesus, “Love one another, and live in peace with each other,” he pledged himself never to be a Christian even if he might come to believe in Christ in the future.
Here is another similar story. There was a faithful Christian captain on an American warship. One day, he came across a young soldier who had no faith in God from the time he was born, living a dissipated life. The captain, who always recommended whomever he met to read the Bible, ordered his aide to give the soldier a Bible. Then the aide said to the captain.
“Captain, you don’t need to do that. That private is always close to the Bible. So there is no need to give him one.”
Being suspicious, he asked him the reason. The aide answered, “You are the Bible to him. He learns the teachings of God through you, watching your every action. If you keep on living a successful and righteous life, he will surely become a Christian some day. Otherwise, he will not believe in God.”
On hearing this, the captain could not sleep at all that night, realizing that his every action exerted a great influence on the people around him.
Through these stories, we, Christians and Elohists who believe in Elohim, can understand how much our behaviors affect people around us. Likewise, many people around us—our husbands or wives, parents, friends, relatives and neighbors—may be watching how we behave. Therefore, we should conduct ourselves in a holy and godly manner as true Christians, so that we can fully carry out our function as a living Bible.
The examples of Christ and the disciples we should follow
Christ is the best example of faith for us. We must follow Christ as our example of faith and life.
Jn 13:15 『“I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.”』
God Himself came into this world, putting on flesh like one of us, and showed us the right path of life that we human beings should walk. So, we should not make excuses for weakness in our body, but correct our faults and fill up what is lacking in us, imitating the life of Christ.
People may slander us because they do not know the truth and teachings of God, but we must not be slandered because of our wrong behavior or disobedience to the will of God. Each of us should become a good example even for the people who do not believe in God, by following the way of Heavenly Father and Mother and leaving the footprints of the true faith.
When we take a look back at the history of the Early Church, we can see that the apostles and prophets in those days set examples for us in many ways.
1 Co 4:6 『Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.』
When there was division in the church, Apostle Paul showed an example of faith by telling the saints to give glory and honor to God alone and to humble themselves, reminding them of the fact that God Himself was leading all the work of the gospel. Just as the apostles did, we should also give all glory to God who gives us salvation, and lead many souls around us to salvation through our good deeds and beautiful attitudes that resemble those of God.
Php 3:17-19 『Join with others in following my example, brothers, and take note of those who live according to the pattern we gave you. For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.』
In our life of faith, it is very important whose example we follow. We must not follow in the footsteps of those who were destroyed as a result of thinking only of earthly things and pursuing worldly glory, but we should follow the examples of the apostles like Paul who longed for heavenly glory and ran the way of the gospel diligently.
Let us be Christians who set good examples
When I was an elementary school student, there was a classmate who stuttered when he spoke. The students of our class began to mimic his stuttering for fun. After a while, most of them actually started to stutter themselves.
In the same way, while we are living in this world, we often see someone’s behavior and even his or her life change comepletly according to whose example he or she follows.
In our life of faith, we must not set wrong examples that have ungracious influences on the people who want to believe in God, while saying we believe in Heavenly Father and Mother. We, the people of Zion, should function as the salt and light of the world by setting good examples of faith and leading many people, who are wandering in the dark, to God.
Tit 2:7-8 『In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.』
People of the world will think that all our behaviors come from the teachings of God Elohim because we’ve received Elohim and are following Them.
That’s why our every action or attitude should not go against the teachings of God, but become godly, good, uncorrupted, and blameless as Christians.
Through our good deeds in accordance with the teachings of God, we should prevent our enemies including false prophets who oppose us, from slandering us. Rather, we should make them feel ashamed of their deeds.
Since our brothers and sisters have made efforts to live godly lives, keeping in mind the teachings of Father and Mother, now even false prophets acknowledge that our deeds are good and right although our doctrines are different from theirs. It was the same in the days of the Early Church 2,000 years ago. As God Himself set examples of good deeds first, the apostles followed His examples and the saints who were taught by the apostles glorified God through their good deeds. As a result, the Church of God was recognized and praised by many people and grew rapidly despite countless hindrances and obstructions in those days.
Pay attention to the sound instructions
The Bible teaches us that no matter how eagerly we may believe in God and however passionate our faith may be, if our deeds are not good, we will never be saved.
Mt 5:20 『“For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”』
How can people who live ungodly lives while claiming to believe in God enter the kingdom of heaven? If we do not live righteous lives, we are not different from false prophets—the hypocrites who cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, nor do they let those enter who are trying to.
We must obey everything God has taught us, without neglecting it, no matter how small it is. Then we will be able to lead all people around the world to God, as the salt and light of the world.
1 Ti 6:3-5 『If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.』
If we do not pay attention to the words of God or put them into practice, our faith will not grow and we may end up walking the wicked way. On the contrary, if we try to do even the smallest things according to God’s word, our faith will gradually mature and we will be able to participate in the divine nature that leads to salvation. As long as we seek, recognize and believe in God, we should put all the teachings of God into practice first. Then the whole world will acknowledge that we are God’s children and kneel down at the feet of Elohim, giving glory to Them.
Until we receive honor and praise from the world, we, as Elohists, should always make every effort to perform our role as salt and light in our society even in the smallest matters.
As children of God, let us live in a manner worthy of being called Christians by setting good examples for others and faithfully carrying out our function as salt and light for the rest of our life of faith, so that we will lead many to righteousness and shine like stars in the sky forever and ever.
By: Bell on June 28, 2011
at 8:59 am
It is very blessed to have a great teacher in our life. From this point of view, we are the most blessed people because we have met Elohim, our true Teachers, who lead us to the eternal kingdom of heaven.
God, who is our true Teacher, came to this earth and walked the path of suffering for our salvation. When He was oppressed and afflicted, He did not open His mouth. He silently endured scorn, despise and insult from men. By the endurance and sacrifice of God, our souls have been healed and saved.
Truly giving thanks to God for His grace, let’s take time to think over what kind of faith we should have in following the way of Christ.
A deep well
When we describe a person who has a broad mind, we say he is a man with a “deep heart.” Such a man is calm and considerate. He rarely stumbles, and makes people feel encouraged, so people naturally gather around him.
One day, I read an article titled “A Deep Well.” In the article it is said that we can tell how deep a well is when we throw a stone into the well. When a stone is thrown into a shallow well, it reaches the bottom of the well right away and makes a noise, but when a stone is dropped in a deep well, it takes time for the stone to reach the bottom and barely makes a noise and it leaves reverberation as deep as the depth of the well.
In the same way, we can fathom the depth of a person’s heart by his response to the words thrown to him. If he is easily upset and wavers by others’ words that are unfavorable, it shows that his heart is shallow. A man who has a deep heart does not react right away to what someone says to him, but accepts it silently. Around this man, people gather, quench their thirst and get refreshed.
If we want to have a deep faith, we need to deepen our heart. Unless our heart is deep, it will not contain a deep faith.
The faith of our forefathers, who were blessed by God, was like a deep well.
Heb 11:6-19 『And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. . . .』
Noah had built an ark for a long time, following the order of God. Despite all kinds of slanders and ridicules of the people around him, he did all that God commanded him and saved his family from the flood. Abraham also obeyed God’s word in any situation. Even when God commanded him to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice to Him, he obeyed Him, so he was called the “forefather of faith.”
Their faith was not shaken by men. They had a faith like a deep well, which did not waver in any situation or circumstance, so that they could please God and be saved together with their families.
Destiny of those who have a shallow faith
Like the forefathers of faith, we should have a deep faith. People, whose faith is shallow and wavers at small words from others, cannot even take care of themselves, let alone save others. At the time of the Exodus, over six hundred thousand Israelites failed to enter the land of Canaan, and they were all destroyed in the desert. This is related to the depth of their faith.
1 Co 10:1-5 『For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.』
God was not pleased with most of the Israelites who were on the journey to Canaan. When we consider the verse in Hebrews 11, “Without faith it is impossible to please God,” we can reason that the Israelites did not please God because they did not have a deep faith, and that they grumbled, being agitated by their surroundings, and were killed at the end.
1 Co 10:6-12 『Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.” We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel. These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!』
The Israelites witnessed the ten plagues brought upon the land of Egypt and also the power of God who divided the Red Sea. However, they didn’t have a deep faith and easily wavered at small inconveniences. Even though they experienced various miracles and signs of God, they did not bear temporary hunger and thirst, but grumbled right away, saying, “Why have You brought us out into this desert to have a hard time like this?” Those who grumbled against God, tested God and worshiped idols did not enter Canaan, but were all destroyed in the desert. This is a warning for us who are walking in the spiritual desert by the grace of God who has redeemed us from this sinful world; if we are shaken by some unfavorable surroundings and ungracious words from others, we are not different than the Israelites. God weighs the depth of our faith in various conditions and situations.
The brothers and sisters of Zion must all have a deep faith. Even though our faith was weak and we were lacking in many ways when we started our life of faith, as years pass by, the depth of our faith should be deepened.
Jerusalem, the well of salvation, never gets dry
We are granted a deep well whose depth cannot be fathomed. That is the well of salvation where the water of life springs up endlessly.
Isa 12:1-6 『“ . . . Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.” With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation. In that day you will say: “Give thanks to the LORD, call on his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted. Sing to the LORD, for he has done glorious things; let this be known to all the world. Shout aloud and sing for joy, people of Zion, for great is the Holy One of Israel among you.”』
Every day, we are drawing water from the well of salvation, which is so deep that it never dries at any drought. We are to fill our hearts with the water of life that is drawn from this well.
Zec 14:7-8 『It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime—a day known to the LORD. When evening comes, there will be light. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.』
The well of salvation, where the water of life flows to the eastern sea and hundred thousand Israelites failed to enter the land of Canaan, and they were all destroyed in the desert. This is related to the depth of their faith.
1 Co 10:1-5 『For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.』
God was not pleased with most of the Israelites who were on the journey to Canaan. When we consider the verse in Hebrews 11, “Without faith it is impossible to please God,” we can reason that the Israelites did not please God because they did not have a deep faith, and that they grumbled, being agitated by their surroundings, and were killed at the end.
1 Co 10:6-12 『Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.” We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel. These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!』
The Israelites witnessed the ten plagues brought upon the land of Egypt and also the power of God who divided the Red Sea. However, they didn’t have a deep faith and easily wavered at small inconveniences. Even though they experienced various miracles and signs of God, they did not bear temporary hunger and thirst, but grumbled right away, saying, “Why have You brought us out into this desert to have a hard time like this?”
Those who grumbled against God, tested God and worshiped idols did not enter Canaan, but were all destroyed in the desert. This is a warning for us who are walking in the spiritual desert by the grace of God who has redeemed us from this sinful world; if we are shaken by some unfavorable surroundings and ungracious words from others, we are not different than the Israelites. God weighs the depth of our faith in various conditions and situations.
The brothers and sisters of Zion must all have a deep faith. Even though our faith was weak and we were lacking in many ways when we started our life of faith, as years pass by, the depth of our faith should be deepened.
Jerusalem, the well of salvation, never gets dry
We are granted a deep well whose depth cannot be fathomed. That is the well of salvation where the water of life springs up endlessly.
Isa 12:1-6 『“ . . . Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.” With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation. In that day you will say: “Give thanks to the LORD, call on his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted. Sing to the LORD, for he has done glorious things; let this be known to all the world. Shout aloud and sing for joy, people of Zion, for great is the Holy One of Israel among you.”』
Every day, we are drawing water from the well of salvation, which is so deep that it never dries at any drought. We are to fill our hearts with the water of life that is drawn from this well.
Zec 14:7-8 『It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime—a day known to the LORD. When evening comes, there will be light. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.』
The well of salvation, where the water of life flows to the eastern sea and to the western sea in four seasons, is our Heavenly Mother (Gal 4:26). Our Heavenly Mother is not tossed about in the storms of life at all, but silently endures all sufferings in order to find Her lost heavenly children, like a deep well. Mother is the well of living water that flows endlessly even if we draw the water over and over again.
In this age, the water of life endlessly flowing from Jerusalem is quenching the souls of the people who come from all around the world to appease their thirst, and is leading them to the kingdom of heaven.
Eze 47:1-12 『 . . . I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was flowing from the south side. As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits and then led me through water that was ankle-deep. He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist. He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross. . . . “ . . . When it empties into the Sea, the water there becomes fresh. cross of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live . . . Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”』
The water of life flowing from Jerusalem becomes a deep river, flows into the sea, and makes all things fresh. According to this prophecy, the water of life flows out from Jerusalem to the Five Oceans and the Six Continents, and awakens all nations. In this age, we, who are supplied with the water of life every day, should deepen and broaden our minds all the more. As the children of Jerusalem, we must resemble our Heavenly Father and Mother and have a heart as deep as the well. Then we can have a deep faith; and when we have a deep faith, we can draw water from the well of salvation and deliver it to thirsty souls.
We should have a heart deep enough to revive all people around the world as children of God Elohim, unlike shallow people who respond immediately with waves when a small stone is thrown into the well of their hearts. Since we are raised through the teachings of Jerusalem Mother, we are to have a deep heart like Mother’s, and quench the thirst of a thousand or ten thousand people.
Let’s participate in the divine nature by having a deep faith
Apostle Peter emphasizes that the saints, who will change and enter the spiritual world, should change in their personality and participate in the divine nature even while they are on this earth.
2 Pe 1:4-11 『Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.』
The faith, which contains goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness and love, can be called a deep faith that is not shaken by the waves of life. Enumerating the works of the forefathers of faith such as Noah and Abraham who had a deep faith like a deep well, God tells us to have a heart deep enough to enable us to participate in the divine nature.
Our spirits should resemble the deep spirit of Jerusalem Mother. By doing so, we can build a deep faith and live a noble and godly life as Father and Mother have taught us, so that we can declare the praises of God through our good deeds (1 Pe 2:9-12).
We should not be like foolish people who had a great will yesterday but give it up today after being enraged at a small thing. We, people of Zion, should all become vessels great enough to participate in the divine nature and to contain living water from the well of salvation, so that we may fulfill the mission to quench the thirst of all people around the world.
For this, we need to have a deep heart. Let’s change ourselves first, not waiting for our surroundings and other people to change. If each of us changes, the world will change. We may suffer hardships until our inner beings change completely. There is nothing we can gain easily in the world.
In order to obtain the precious treasures, we need to undergo various difficulties.
So God asked us to hold on to the crown of life that each of us has, so that we will never be deprived of it.
I hope that we, the people of Zion, will have a heart and faith deep enough to embrace all the stones that are thrown to us with the divine nature, so that we can revive the whole world with the living water drawn from the well of salvation.
By: Bell on July 1, 2011
at 11:06 am
Hope.
People in Zion have real Hope for Heaven.
But when we give up, when we turn our backs,
Our hope will be gone.
Instead we should let our Hope become reality for making it to Heaven.
Never give up on going to Heaven because Seeking and longing for happiness on this earth is just for a moment and in the end it is meaningless..and you will regret making the wrong choice..
Heb 11: 13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.
Having the hope for the kingdom of heaven is the greatest hope we can have. Thanks to Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for revealing the truth and giving us the forgiveness of sins that we may enter the glorious kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven is priceless; its value is great than anything in this temporary world. That is why we should make every effort to acquire our citizenship, not on this earth, but in heaven.
Php 3: 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
God already said that the way to be transformed to the glorious body is to have citizenship in heaven. If a person has their citizenship in a particular country which provides the right to live there, he is envied by people around him. How much more will we be envied if we have a permanent citizenship in heaven!
When Jesus came to this earth, He was mocked and persecuted by mere men, but He did not care about it at all, He was looking forward to a spiritual country
Jn 18: 33-38 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?” “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.” “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
God Almighty set the example for us to do the same. No matter what, we should endure all kinds of hardships because the kingdom of heaven is waiting for us. That is why God had to come again to the earth and show us the way to enter kingdom of heaven
Matt 7: 21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Jn. 6:53 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Lk. 22: 7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Christ Ahnsahnghong has come as God Almighty in the flesh, second coming Christ and showed us the will of God. He showed us the way to do the will of God so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven. Nobody can enter the kingdom of heaven without doing the will of God. Our Savior Christ Ahnsahnghong has bought all the precious truth back: Sabbath Day, Passover, The Feasts of God etc. Let’s look forward to a new heaven and a new earth which our God Ahnsahnghong has given us!
By: Bell on July 3, 2011
at 2:19 am
We can see the the prophecies of the Bible is being fulfilled swiftly. As we saw in the United Nations website before, UN and World Mission Society Church of God became partners for creating a better world. Then recently, Heavenly Mother and World Mission Society Church of God received an award from President Barack Obama. We can understand that is is because of the prophecies of the Bible which states that Jerusalem will become the praise of the earth.
Every single prophecy in the Bible has been fulfilled in human history without fail, and is still being fulfilled today. Some prophecies, which still remain unfulfilled, will surely be fulfilled soon according to the providence of God.
Now, we have the most important prophecy of the Bible before us. God said that the glory of Jerusalem would be proclaimed to all the nations of the world. Even though there is a prophecy, unless we ask God and make an effort to fulfill the prophecy, it will be delayed in its fulfillment and we will not share in the glory which is prophesied. As the soldiers of the heavenly army in Zion, we should keep in step with the prophecy and proclaim the glory of Jerusalem to the whole world.
Jerusalem will be a praise in the earth
The prophet Isaiah prophesied about Jerusalem who would be the praise and glory of the earth as follows.
Isa 62:6-7 “I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem; they will never be silent day or night. You who call on the LORD, give yourselves no rest, and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem and makes her the praise of the earth.”
Isa 66:10-14 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; … For you will nurse and be satisfied at her comforting breasts; you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance.” For this is what the LORD says: “I will extend peace to her like a river, and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carried on her arm and dandled on her knees. As a mother comforts her child, so will I comfort you; and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.” When you see this, your heart will rejoice and you will flourish like grass; …”
The prophecy about Jerusalem is mentioned many times in the book of Isaiah. The Bible says that it is God’s will for Jerusalem to be praised by all the nations of the world and that we, all the children of God, will be comforted and glad in Jerusalem.
Who is Jerusalem that she will be praised and honored by all the nations of the world? As it is generally known, Jerusalem is a specific place located in the Middle East. How can a mere city called Jerusalem be established by God Himself and praised and honored by all the nations of the earth? How can we be carried and comforted in the arms of Jerusalem if it indicates a physical place?
Taking the prophecies literally will only increase doubts. As the Bible says, “… expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words” (1 Cor 2:13), we need to find out what the spiritual Jerusalem, not the earthly one, means in the Bible.
The heavenly Jerusalem is our Mother
The Bible mentions not only the earthly Jerusalem but also the heavenly Jerusalem. Now, let’s find out what God wants to show us through Jerusalem.
Gal 4:26 “But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.”
It is written that the Jerusalem that is above is our mother. The Bible personifies Jerusalem on earth to show us its reality, the heavenly Jerusalem our Mother. It says in the Bible that we will be comforted in Jerusalem and satisfied at her comforting breasts. This shows that we, children of Jerusalem, will grow up spiritually, being comforted by our heavenly Mother, like a child who is dandled on his mother’s knees and in her arms.
The Bible prophesies that Jerusalem will be praised and glorified in the earth. This prophecy does not refer to the earthly Jerusalem located in the Middle East. As spiritual watchmen, we should proclaim the glory of God to all the nations and clearly testify that it is God’s firm will for Jerusalem our Mother to be praised in the earth.
Until the prophecy is completely fulfilled, we must continually pray to God that the day will come soon when the glory of Jerusalem our Mother will be proclaimed throughout the whole world. The gospel work will be finished when Mother is proclaimed and revealed throughout all the nations of the world.
The Bible continues to explain:
Gal 4:27-31 “For it is written: “Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.”
We are children of the free woman, our Mother, and also children of promise. What God promised us is eternal life (1 John 2:25). So, children of promise can be called children of eternal life. As we are children of Mother, we become children of promise who can receive eternal life and inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Children of promise like Isaac
Isaac was born to Abraham by his wife Sarah, and he became Abraham’s heir. Sarah, the wife of Abraham, represents our heavenly Mother. That’s why the Bible calls us “children of promise like Isaac.”
Abraham, the forefather of faith, represents God the Father. Let’s find out what the relationship between Abraham and God is, through the parable of the rich man and Lazarus spoken by Jesus.
Luke 16:19-31 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me …’ ”
In the parable, when Lazarus and the rich man died, Lazarus was carried to Abraham’s side and the rich man went to hell and was in torment. Strangely enough, the rich man in hell called to Abraham in heaven, “Father Abraham, …” It is only God who can be called Father in the spiritual world. In other words, Abraham represents God.
The history of Abraham’s family is described in various places throughout the book of Genesis in the Holy Bible. In Abraham’s family, the matter of an heir was mentioned many times, and finally Isaac, whom Sarah bore, became the heir of Abraham. It was Sarah, Isaac’s mother, that had a crucial role in deciding the heir.
Why do many verses in the Bible specifically describe an individual’s family history? There is a certain reason for this. The history of Abraham’s family shows us that Jerusalem our Mother has a decisive role in qualifying us as God’s heirs to inherit His kingdom.
Abraham’s family and Mother
Gen 15:1-5 “After this, the word of the LORD came to Abram (the original name of Abraham) in a vision: “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward.” But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.” …
When Abraham was 85 years old, he still had no son. So, he wanted to make Eliezer, a servant in his household, his heir to inherit his estate. However, God said that Eliezer was not suitable to be Abraham’s heir and that a son coming from his own body would be his heir.
Gen 16:1-6, 15 “Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said. … Hagar, and she conceived. When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. … So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.”
Abraham’s wife Sarah gave her maidservant Hagar to her husband as his concubine. When Hagar conceived, she began to despise her mistress Sarah. Since Sarah bore no children, she was despised by her maidservant. Afterward, she continued to suffer mental distress and anguish for about 14 years until Isaac was born.
When Hagar bore Ishmael to Abraham, he seemed to have an heir. However, God said to Abraham, “A son coming from your own body will be your heir.” It was not God’s will for Ishmael to be Abraham’s heir. God wanted a son, who would be born to Abra-ham by Sarah his wife-the free woman, to become Abraham’s heir.
Gen 17:1-7, 15-19 “When Abram was ninety-nine years old, … God also said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.” Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.”
Abraham assumed that Ishmael would be his heir. However, God said that He would establish His covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah would bear to him. God didn’t allow Eliezer to be Abraham’s heir for the reason that he was not his own son. Even though Ishmael was Abraham’s son, God rejected him as his heir because he was born by the slave woman. God acknowledged only Isaac who would be born through Sarah.
As God had promised, one year later Sarah bore a son, Isaac, who became Abra-ham’s heir through his mother, Sarah (Gen 21:1-12).
The heavenly inheritance is given through Mother
The history of Abraham’s family shows through whom we can become God’s chil-dren and inherit the kingdom of God. God has made those who are like Isaac children of promise and allowed them the blessing of eternal life. As Isaac was designated as Abraham’s heir through his mother, so we can become God’s heirs through our Mother and enjoy the precious blessing of eternal life.
Those who do not know Jerusalem our Mother can never become children of promise like Isaac. God said, “A son coming from your own body will be your heir.” Ishmael was the first begotten son of Abraham, who was 14 years older than Isaac. Nevertheless, why didn’t God accept Ishmael as Abraham’s heir? Ishmael represents those who know God only as Father. However, the Bible clearly shows that there is God the Mother as well.
God has determined not to give the heavenly inheritance to those who have no part with Him. He doesn’t accept the people, who believe in God the Father but do not believe in God the Mother, as His heirs. It is Mother who holds the final key. Everything on this earth is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. If we think about why God lets the physical life be given through a mother, we can understand what the divine will is.
Surely there is a reason why God establishes Jerusalem and makes her the praise of the earth. The history of Abraham’s family shows how much Mother has suffered until She is glorified. However, it expresses just a little bit of Her suffering. Until we’ve received eternal life promised by God, there’s been the great sacrifice of Mother, who has suffered so much for 6,000 years in order to lead Her children to heaven. Mother grants us, Her children, eternal life through Her invisible, inexpressible pains. That’s why God does not rest until He makes Mother the praise of the earth. The Bible describes the scene that God’s children, who have received Jerusalem Mother, nurse and are satisfied at Her comforting breasts, delighting in Her overflowing abundance, like a child.
Heavenly Mother whom the Bible testifies about
The existence of our heavenly Mother is already recorded in Genesis. Let’s look back to the time when our heavenly Mother did the work of creation together with our heavenly Father.
Gen 1:26-28 “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. …”
When God created man in His own image, male and female were created in the image of God. This suggests that there are two images of God: male and female. That’s why God said when creating man, “Let us make man …,” instead of saying, “I will make man…”
Even before the creation of the world, both images of God already existed: the male image of God and the female image of God. Therefore, those who have received only God the Father cannot be God’s heirs. Although they live together in Abraham’s family and call him Lord or Father, they cannot inherit his estate, just as Eliezer and Ishmael, who were not children of Sarah, didn’t inherit Abraham’s property.
If we just call out to God without knowing Him correctly, we cannot communicate with God. We can worship God rightly when we know Him. Keeping the will of God in mind, we should quickly proclaim Jerusalem our Mother, who is life, to all the nations of the world. As the eternal kingdom of God is close at hand, we will bear more good fruit if we fully proclaim the glory of Jerusalem our Mother. God’s prophecy must surely be fulfilled if we believe in it and put it into practice.
Proclaim the glory of the new Jerusalem to the whole world
We have to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible diligently. Young adult members like the dew of the dawn must arise; the gospel must be preached to all nations; and the prophesied 144,000, whom John saw, will all come to Mount Zion and be guided by the Spirit and the Bride.
We must not delay doing God’s work. Even at this moment, time passes away. Making the most of every moment, let’s proclaim the glory of Jerusalem our heavenly Mother all the more. Some will probably intend to defame the glory of Jerusalem, like Tobiah and Sanballat. However, even amid their hindrance, the city of Jerusalem was completed without fail, because it was the work of the Holy Spirit, not something men could accomplish by themselves.
We all experienced the work of the Holy Spirit during the Preaching Festival of the Feast of Tabernacles. The number of the souls we found during the week of the Preaching Festival is almost the same as the number of the souls whom we had found for a year. How can we say it’s the work of men? Since we all became one with filial piety toward Jerusalem our Mother, the gracious work of the Holy Spirit occurred, like a good son in an ancient Korean story who moved heaven and was able to find strawberries for his old mother in the middle of the winter.
Now, through the fire of the Holy Spirit, let’s proclaim the glory of Jerusalem our Mother to the whole world. Then the people of all nations will come together to see the glory of God, and when each of them returns he will proclaim God’s glory in his country (Isa 66:18-19). How amazing!
It is our mission to proclaim the glory of Jerusalem throughout the whole world. When Gideon’s army of 300 soldiers broke the jars, held the torches hidden in them and shouted, “For the LORD!” they were able to defeat 135,000 men and won a great victory. Likewise, when we shout out the glory of Jerusalem, a marvelous work will occur. Now is the time for us to break the jars and hold the torches high. Let’s shout altogether, lifting up the torches. Let us all arise and shine the light of the gospel to the whole world. Looking forward to the day when God’s glory will be shone brightly all over the world, let us diligently proclaim the light of the glory of the new Jerusalem to the whole world.
By: Bell on July 4, 2011
at 8:47 pm
Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
If the Church of God is a Cult! Then Christianity itself is a cult
When reading the cult watch website you come across a section entitled: “How does the WMS Church of God brainwash its members?” In this section Ted goes through a checklist of what he calls “coercive techniques.” Ted considers these techniques as guidelines to qualify a group as a cult. However if we are going to judge what a cult is according to these techniques, then Christianity itself is the biggest cult to ever exist. How can this be possible? Let us see through verses from the Bible:
1) Cults Claim to Have all Knowing leadership:
John 21:17 {the third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.}
2) Cults only teach you up to what you are able to believe:
Hebrews 5:11 {We much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.}
3) Cults claim no room for differences (Everybody is the same):
Colossians 3:11 {Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.}
4) Cults claim to introduce a new and better way:
Hebrews 7:18-19 {the former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.}
5) Cult members should imitate cult leader:
Philippians 2:5 {your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus}
Also Colossians 3:11 of example 3.
6) Cults isolate you from your family:
Matthew 10:37 {anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me}
7) Cults Brainwash ignorant and people who have no critical thinking.
Acts 4:13 {when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.}
8) Cults Recruit people:
Mk 16:15-16 {He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned}
9) Cults always claim Persecution of the Leader:
Acts 22:6-8 {“About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.}
10) Cults have ignorant leaders:
John 7:14-16 {Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”}
11) Cults try to keep members busy:
Acts 2:46-47 {every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
12) Cult leaders always try to gain your trust:
John 14:1 {“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me}
13) Cults believe that by your actions you prove your faith:
James 2:17 {in the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, Is dead.}
14) Cults claim salvation is through obedience before the end comes:
Matthew 24:42 {“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.}
15) Cults make members dependant to the cult leader:
John 15:5 {“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.}
16) Cults claim that there is no exit apart from the cult:
John 6:67-68 {“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.}
17) Cult members claim to have “Spiritual Battles”:
Ephesians 6:12 {for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.}
18) Cults try to keep things secret:
Matthew 17:9 {As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”}
19) Cult leaders claim to be the only way, and supreme authority:
John 14:6 {Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.}
And for the sake of space and time, I omitted the teachings of: Judaism, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Copernicus, Galileo…etc.
If we are going to judge groups and organizations by these standards, then every single organization and religion is a cult. We should not judge the Church of God by these standards, rather we should see if the teachings that the Church practices come from God or not. To label the World Mission Society Church of God as a cult is no different from when the Jewish religious leaders called the Apostles a Nazarene sect. Please don’t commit the same mistake as 2,000 years ago.
Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
By: Bell on July 5, 2011
at 9:31 am
Bell,
Just a heads up for you and the rest of the WMSCOG…
The cult watch website disappeared quite some time ago. If it was taken down so long ago, who’s going to be “…reading the cult watch website you come across a section…”
The cult watch website doesn’t exist any more!
You need to update your arguments! You sound out-of-date and uninformed.
Here are some things you should consider…
Why, on federal forms for the IRS, does the WMSCOG make NO mention of Ahnsahnghong or “Mother Jerusalem”?
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/07/wmscog-said-what-on-official-form.html
And why did Ahnsahnghong himself insist that “Jesus” was the only name, even in the last days?
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/05/name-of-jesus.html
And here is a response to your “If the Church of God is a cult then Christianity is a cult”,
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/06/if-wmscog-is-cult-then-christianity-is.html
And one more thing, did you all know that Ahnsahnghong thought Isaac was God in the flesh too? Seriously!
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/04/who-was-isaac-really.html
Try again, Bell. Do you have a copy and paste article to respond to any of those? Better yet, how about if you speak with your own words, heart, and mind. Your church tells you “don’t put your own mind to it” because they want to tell you how to think. God gave you a mind, and He wants you to use it.
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your MIND, and with all your strength.” Mark 12:31
By: genny on July 7, 2011
at 12:02 am
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your MIND, and with all your strength.” Mark 12:31
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
By: Bell on July 7, 2011
at 8:51 pm
Bell – that’s a valid point, that the one who truly loves God will keep His commands. Although, you’re missing a key factor to that point. Jesus is God, therefore when He commanded us to love our neighbor as ourselves, that would be a part of the command also. Are you saying all of these things because you have a passionate love for God and truly love us so much as to want to help us reach truth, or are you doing this because your religious society which you hold faith in is telling you to say these things? Paul tells us in Corinthians of the many spiritual gifts listed, that they are vain without love. The gifts are for the benefit of the church and for God’s glory – not for the benefit of self. Everything is vanity if it lacks love. Therefore, unless you truly love us Bell, please do not waste your typing skills on this nonsense. Because the truth is, we (the true Church) love you more than you could possibly love us if you are saying exactly what every other member of the WMSCOG says, having an outward example of faith but lacking the inner qualities.
I’m not saying this is you Bell, but from what I’ve heard of people being in the church, I see a lot of confusion in COG. I see much anger and malice, as well as prejudice within the COG attitude toward the lower ranks of peoples. I see a disgusting false love and a false hope in a false Holy Spirit and a false belief that Jesus the Christ has returned reincarnate as a Korean man, only showing that part of the globe (no global media) his being, and therefore not coming in glory as the Bible rightfully states will happen when He returns.
I see lots of repetitive thinking within the COG also. Genny is right in saying that you ought to stop saying these same verses over and over like a formula for evangelism, because every other COG member either has or will have used them soon enough for the same reasons. It’s like using 2+2=4 when you need to use 2×2=4×2=8+2=10 / 2 = 5. You can’t just use one formula with the Bible and evangelism – there are many formulas God opens our eyes to when it comes to experiencing His word.
That said, I think I speak for all of us when I say we’re praying for you to seek truth and pray Bell. Stop thinking like a clone and let the truth of God find you as you ask for truth. Not one of many truths, but the ONE truth, the one and only – for there is only one truth. The truth alone is what reveals the unseen.
By: Pierce on July 8, 2011
at 12:09 am
I agree, Pierce.
Bell, you responded only to the last line of my note to you–the verse about loving God. But you did not respond to any of my questions or the websites I referred you to. I hope to hear back from you after you’ve considered them.
By: genny on July 8, 2011
at 2:41 am
Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Innumerable people around the world claim to believe in God. However, God says that there is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who does good, not even one.
Ro 3:10-12 “As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is … no one who seeks God. … there is no one who does good, not even one.”
Who is a righteous one whom God approves? The Bible says that there is no one who seeks God and comes near to Him except the righteous.
Adam, the ancestor of mankind, sought God and came near to Him before he sinned. But after he committed sin by eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he hid himself from God when He called him, “Adam, Adam!” rather than came to Him, saying, “Yes, here am I.” From that moment he sinned, he became afraid of God and shrunk from His presence. Since Adam committed sin, his heart was changed.
A righteous person obeys the word of God
If we feel alienated from God, we should recognize that we are gradually falling away from righteousness and should turn ourselves to it. Through the account of Noah, let’s see how we can become righteous and what we must do to become righteous.
Ge 6:9 “This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.”
Let’s find out why Noah was called righteous and blameless by God, through his works.
Heb 11:7-10 “By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. By faith Abraham, … he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.”
What did Noah, a righteous man, do? He realized God’s plan of judging the world in those days, and prepared an ark in obedience to God’s command. By faith Noah built the ark, so he was called a righteous man and an heir of righteousness.
All who were called righteous and forefathers of faith like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, had absolute faith in God and obeyed whatever God told them to do.
With absolute faith in God, Noah built the ark to save his family and the world. That was the most righteous thing in God’s sight and caused him to be called an heir of righteousness.
Jas 2:17-26 “In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. … You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? … You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. … As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead”
The book of James shows us what is righteousness in God’s sight. God considers it a righteous act to fully obey His word, not just to know it.
We, too, have faith in God: We believe that He will gather the 144,000 and lead the people of the new covenant into the everlasting kingdom. We try to do God’s will by fully keeping all His laws and diligently carrying out our ministry of preaching the gospel, loving God with all our heart and with all our soul and with all our mind. When we thus put our faith into action, God calls us ‘righteous.’ The righteous are those who obey God’s word; they are perfect in God’s sight.
Just as Noah and Abraham were called righteous, so the 144,000 are now called righteous. It is because they truly believe God’s word and also put it into practice.
Though a man knows and believes that ‘the Sabbath is right,’ unless he observes it he cannot be blessed; only by keeping the Sabbath holy, he can receive the blessing God has promised. Likewise, if a man just believes that ‘the Passover is right,’ how can he receive God’s blessing? Only when he celebrates the Passover by eating the bread and drinking the wine, he can receive the blessing of eternal life and the seal of God.
Blessing for the righteous who show their faith by deeds
Those who put their faith into action were all blessed. In this age, we are also blessed and called righteous when we serve God by preaching His words and keeping the new covenant regulations for the seven feasts at the three times in a year. That is God’s providence and will. So the Bible says that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
When God told Noah to prepare an ark, if he had not obeyed God’s word even though he believed it was right to do so, would God have called him a righteous and perfect man?
Noah did a thing that was really hard to obey in those days. The Bible doesn’t tell us how long it took Noah to build the ark, but most Biblical scholars agree that it took so many years to build the ark. To build it must have cost him a great deal of money and labor, including expenses for purchasing materials and workers’ wages. With undeveloped technology in those times, it must have been a handiwork requiring over a hundred people; they must have worked unceasingly day and night. Thus, Noah spent a great deal of time and money on the ark. He devoted his whole life to building the ark.
Besides that, people had never seen rain up until that time. They laughed and made fun of Noah and his family all those years. However, Noah just followed God’s word and continued to build the ark. By doing that, he was called a righteous man, blameless in his generations.
Abraham, the father of faith, also proved his faith by his deeds. He absolutely obeyed God’s command to offer his only son Isaac as a burnt offering. The command to sacrifice Isaac would be a very difficult one for Abraham to obey. It would be easier for him to give up his wealth or power. Abraham loved his son Isaac more than his own self. It must have been hard and painful for him to offer Isaac as a sacrifice.
When God ordered Abraham to offer up his son, he might have questioned God’s command. However, he obeyed God without arguing or complaining. He was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac, thinking that God gave him Isaac and He had the right to take his life. How greatly God would be pleased when He saw Abraham’s faith and obedience! Abraham was called the father of faith and received God’s overflowing blessing.
Everyone has his own values. To Abraham his son was the most valuable treasure in the world, and to Noah his possessions. God sometimes requires of each person what is the most important thing to him. This is not because He hates him but because He wants to give a greater blessing to him.
Comparing the faith and works of the righteous Noah and Abraham with ours, we need to check whether or not we have deeds along with faith. In this age, an act of faith that pleases God most is to save souls, sacrificing the most precious thing we have.
Hoping for heaven, we follow the Spirit and the Bride and we firmly believe that all of our heavenly brothers and sisters scattered across the earth will quickly come to Zion. With the act of faith by which we become righteous before God, we are now proclaiming the truth, throwing out the life line, to save poor dying souls. We are building Zion the ark of salvation around the world and leading many souls into the ark. Seeing brothers and sisters participating in the gospel as God prophesied, we feel that we gradually become righteous by acts, like Noah and Abraham.
We should let go of all our own ideas and learn the obedience of faith that Noah showed, so that we may all become the righteous people, the 144,000, in these last days.
Practice righteousness by following the examples of faith
God says that there is no one righteous, not even one. Then how can we become righteous in this age? Through the works of the forefathers of faith in the Bible, God tells us how to become righteous. We are to put our faith into action; for faith can be alive only when it is accompanied by action.
Our forefathers in faith were proven to be righteous by putting their faith into action. We will also be called righteous by God when we believe God’s word and put it into practice.
Righteousness and unrighteousness [evil] always exist in the world. How can we distinguish between right from evil? We can distinguish between the righteous and the unrighteous by their deeds. Our fore-fathers in faith were called righteous because of what they did, but many other people were called unrighteous because they did evil.
2 Pe 2:5 “if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others”
Now, we should be considered righteous in God’s sight, by doing the righteous act of preparing the ark and calling in all whom God has allowed to enter the ark. Noah took his family and every kind of animal on the ark, in addition to himself. How about the other people? They disobeyed God and did not enter in.
The Bible calls all non-Israelites ‘Gentiles’ and likens them to animals. However, God has promised that even non-Jews, compared to animals, will be saved at the last day if only they obey God’s command to enter Zion the ark of salvation and serve God through their acts of faith. Thanks to this promise, we Gentiles are now obeying God’s words with the hope of heaven.
Mt 24:37-39 “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”
God said that the end time would be like the days of Noah. The gospel in this age is accomplished when all who are to be saved flee to Zion, the ark of salvation. What’s the use of the ark unless it is occupied by those who are to be saved? Now, let’s learn how to lead many into the ark of salvation, from the works of the apostles in the Early Church.
Ac 2:41-47 “Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. … All the believers were together and had everything in common. …Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.”
The apostles, being filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, devoted themselves to prayer and preaching, doing righteous good deeds, and they were highly regarded by many people. When we devote ourselves entirely to saving souls, God will be pleased and add to our number day by day those who are being saved.
Ac 4:1-4 “… while they were speaking to the people. … They seized Peter and John, and because it was evening, they put them in jail until the next day. But many who heard the message believed, and the number of men grew to about five thousand.”
In the days of the Early Church, the apostles continued to meet together with glad and sincere hearts and boldly proclaimed Jesus as the Christ and Savior. God opened the hearts of those who heard it, and within a short period of time about five thousand were baptized.
We need to consider what our forefathers in faith did in order to receive God’s blessing, and how the saints of the Early Church were blessed. We should imitate the faith of the saints of the Early Church, so that God will add to our number daily those who are being saved in this age, too. Many people claim to believe in God but refuse to do His will, just as He said: “There is no one righteous, not even one.” We are asked to accomplish our prophetic mission in these last days. Keeping our faith alive by practicing righteousness, we must come closer to God.
Practicing righteousness causes us joy. When we, being full of joy, give glory to God and do whatever He wants us to do, we come to understand God’s plans and His will described in the 66 books of the Bible. No one can understand God’s word without practicing it, even though he reads the Bible a hundred times or a thousand times. Only he who does the will of God can understand all passages-even the difficult things in the Bible.
Our hope is to enter the kingdom of heaven after quickly finding all our 144,000 brothers and sisters. We need to consider how the Early Church could lead so many people to the truth in such a short time. It was possible because they did just as the Bible said. For the Bible guides us towards practical ways of achieving righteousness.
God is making us complete. In obedience with His will, let’s practice far greater righteousness than Noah, and we will be called righteous and perfect by God.
All righteous ones having faith with works! Let’s awaken this sleeping and dying generation by the work of the Holy Spirit, which is seven times greater than that of the Early Church!
By: Bell on July 9, 2011
at 9:48 am
The Bible Bash is a method of defending a cult or false religion and often such people speak about how Bible-centered their particular group is. Actually most of the members themselves do not understand as to what they are preaching
Jehovah’s Witnesses laud the wonders of the Bible and boast how there is no other text that they follow to develop their doctrine. What the Jehovah’s Witness does not tell people is that their particular version of the Bible, the New World Translation, has been perverted to reflect Watchtower doctrines and beliefs.
Same applies with the WMSCOG who follow a particular version of the Bible the NIV which has been perverted to reflect their false doctrines & beliefs (Come my silly ignorant sheep listen only to my voice)
Do not waste too much time Genny, though, waiting for an answer from Bell. They have never and will never be able to answer as they read only the selected/highlighted Bible verses and we can clearly understand can they possibly have real truth with such limited knowledge of the Bible. A Bible Basher can never ever present a coherent reason why he thinks this or that example is what he assumes that it is: an error or contradiction. In the end like a coward they will either stop posting or find a way of hacking these sites which points the errors in their beliefs.
As for Bell he does even know the reason why he is pasting this nonsense. Misguided pride and arrogance are hallmarks of such Cultogetics. Poor guy is is overworked and needs medication for this mental sickness. Truly it is not a joke sleeping few hours collecting similar lenghty material from other bros/sis or their websites and posting here.
You are right Pearce all we can do is pray that the Lord is working on their conscience, with the express hope that God will convict them of their diabolical defense, and then free them so that they would understand the truth.
Bell nice telling us stories about Adam, Noah, Abraham and all the biblical characters which I think we all know. Now as a disciple of WMSCOG you should be able to tell us what this new spirit and bride did from 1918 till his death. Obviously this event did not happen 2000 years ago. It is all so fresh in the 80’s and easily to have been captured on the video camera. Yet the WMSCOG uses biblical movie clips from the RC videotapes and the image of Jesus( in the Last Supper on the website) and all words spoken by Jesus himself. Where is the image of your second coming Korean Christ having last supper with Joo Cheol and MJ? What is something different he did as a Korean Jesus apart from writing a few books from the knowledge he gained as a member of the SDA? Wouldn’t it be great to watch how he was brought up as a Buddhist, ate the Kimchi and met MJ. With today’s technology you could have your very own movies on this christ. But looks like all the record about these 2 frauds go hidden. You can be fooled not us.
It will be hard on them you see to let “the cat out of the bag” . When cult leaders pretending to be God find this an easy religious business that allows them to flourish on your poor souls. Keep Thinking! Reflect on JESUS
You can be easily fooled as “SATAN LOCKS CAPTIVES INSIDE CULTS BUT CHRIST MAKES FREE IN HIS CHURCH”
By: stella on July 10, 2011
at 5:13 am
The Bible Bash is a method of defending a cult or false religion and often such people speak about how Bible-centered their particular group is. Actually most of the members themselves do not understand as to what they are preaching
Jehovah’s Witnesses laud the wonders of the Bible and boast how there is no other text that they follow to develop their doctrine. What the Jehovah’s Witness does not tell people is that their particular version of the Bible, the New World Translation, has been perverted to reflect Watchtower doctrines and beliefs.
Same applies with the WMSCOG who follow a particular version of the Bible the NIV which has been perverted to reflect their false doctrines & beliefs (Come my silly ignorant sheep listen only to my voice)
Do not waste too much time Genny, though, waiting for an answer from Bell. They have never and will never be able to answer as they read only the selected/highlighted Bible verses and we can clearly understand can they possibly have real truth with such limited knowledge of the Bible. A Bible Basher can never ever present a coherent reason why he thinks this or that example is what he assumes that it is: an error or contradiction. In the end like a coward they will either stop posting or find a way of hacking these sites which points the errors in their beliefs.
As for Bell he does even know the reason why he is pasting this nonsense. Misguided pride and arrogance are hallmarks of such Cultogetics. Poor guy is is overworked and needs medication for this mental sickness. Truly it is not a joke sleeping few hours collecting similar lenghty material from other bros/sis or their websites and posting here.
You are right Pearce all we can do is pray that the Lord is working on their conscience, with the express hope that God will convict them of their diabolical defense, and then free them so that they would understand the truth.
Bell nice telling us stories about Adam, Noah, Abraham and all the biblical characters which I think we all know. Now as a disciple of WMSCOG you should be able to tell us what this new spirit and bride did from 1918 till his death. Obviously this event did not happen 2000 years ago. It is all so fresh in the 80’s and easily to have been captured on the video camera. Yet the WMSCOG uses biblical movie clips from the RC videotapes and the image of Jesus( in the Last Supper on the website) and all words spoken by Jesus himself. Where is the image of your second coming Korean Christ having last supper with Joo Cheol and MJ? What is something different he did as a Korean Jesus apart from writing a few books from the knowledge he gained as a member of the SDA? Wouldn’t it be great to watch how he was brought up as a Buddhist, ate the Kimchi and met MJ. With today’s technology you could have your very own movies on this christ. But looks like all the record about these 2 frauds go hidden.
It will be hard on them you see to let “the cat out of the bag” . When cult leaders pretending to be God find this an easy religious business that allows them to flourish on your poor souls. Keep Thinking! Reflect on JESUS
You can be easily fooled as “SATAN LOCKS CAPTIVES INSIDE CULTS BUT CHRIST MAKES FREE IN HIS CHURCH”
By: stella on July 10, 2011
at 5:13 am
Romans 6:17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Matthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
19 So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
We have been freed from this sinful world through the power of the Passover, and now we are walking the desert of faith just before entering into the everlasting heavenly Canaan. Until we enter into eternal joy and glory, we may suffer troubles and hardships (Ro 8:16-18). The people of Israel, while they were on their way to the promised land of Canaan, faced many unfavorable circumstances and obstacles during their 40-year journey through the desert after leaving Egypt, the land of slavery. Likewise, there are many difficulties on the path we walk now.
If we only look at the physical circumstances we currently face, we will be at a loss what to do and have difficulties in finding a solution. However, if we are conscious of God who always walks with us, we can overcome all hardships. God, who is the way, the truth, and the life, is always with us in Zion, the city of truth, and provides a solution for everything.
Look upward
A man was confined in a glass box. He could see outside, but when he took a few steps forward, he was blocked by the transparent glass wall; he also bumped against the wall when he moved backward, left or right. The moment he felt he was completely confined in the glass box, he fell into despair. No matter how much he tried to find a way out of the box to survive, he had no idea what to do.
He spent several days in despair, and one day he suddenly found himself still alive in the glass box. If he had been locked in a sealed glass container, he would already have been dead. However, he was still breathing. As he came to realize this, he began to think of where he didn’t try to move. Then he found there was one side he didn’t try to move to. It was the top. He naturally thought that the upper side was also partitioned by a glass wall, but when he moved upward, there was no wall.
While walking the path of faith, sometimes we face a problem or situation that seems impossible to solve. If we look at all sides-left, right, front and back-but we can find no way or solution and feel frustrated, being blocked by something, there is still one place we have to look at. It is the upside. Even if all sides are blocked, the upper part is always open. If we look up to God, everything will be solved.
People try to find a way, only looking right and left, back and forth, but there is also the upside. We need to look at the upper side, instead of just looking at the walls around us and getting frustrated. If we look up to heaven, we will find the existence of God who helps us. However, if we look right, left, back and forth at the same level as the human eye, all sides seem to be blocked off by the walls. We must not forget that there is always an open space, even though all sides are blocked, on our journey of faith.
Conflicting reports by the twelve spies
Most of the Israelites tested God and complained against Him on their journey to Canaan, so they all perished in the desert. The people who were destroyed at that time were those who didn’t look up to God but just looked at the circumstances around them.
In the second year after the Exodus, Israel picked a leader from each of the 12 ancestral tribes and sent them to explore the land of Canaan (Nu 13:1-20). When they returned from spying out the land at the end of forty days, they reported to Moses and the whole assembly. There were two conflicting reports.
Nu 13:25-14:10 At the end of forty days they returned from exploring the land. They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly . . . “We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit. But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. . . . We can’t attack those people; they are stronger than we are.” And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, “The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” That night all the people of the community raised their voices and wept aloud. All the Israelites grumbled against Moses and Aaron, . . . And they said to each other, “We should choose a leader and go back to Egypt.” . . . Joshua son of Nun and Caleb son of Jephunneh, who were among those who had explored the land, tore their clothes and said to the entire Israelite assembly, “The land we passed through and explored is exceedingly good. If the LORD is pleased with us, he will lead us into that land, a land flowing with milk and honey, and will give it to us. Only do not rebel against the LORD. And do not be afraid of the people of the land, because we will swallow them up. Their protection is gone, but the LORD is with us. Do not be afraid of them.” But the whole assembly talked about stoning them. Then the glory of the LORD appeared at the Tent of Meeting to all the Israelites.
Ten of the twelve spies, who had been selected from among 600,000 men, one from each tribe, gave a negative report when they returned from exploring the land of Canaan. Actually, they didn’t give a false report. As they reported, there were descendants of Anak, a tribe of giants, in the land of Canaan, and the city of Jericho, inhabited by them, was a strongly fortified city. While the Israelites were exhausted from travelling through the desert, the inhabitants of the land were training a powerful army consisting of strong and tall soldiers, eating rich food. So, they couldn’t help but think it was impossible to defeat them.
Contrary to them, Joshua and Caleb cried out, “We will swallow them up,” even though it seemed impossible. To the Israelites, the report of the ten spies seemed realistic and accurate, while the two men seemed like dreamers. However, God acknowledged the report of Joshua and Caleb.
Those who were conscious of God and those who were not
Nu 14:11-30 The LORD said to Moses, “How long will these people treat me with contempt? How long will they refuse to believe in me, in spite of all the miraculous signs I have performed among them? I will strike them down with a plague and destroy them, but I will make you into a nation greater and stronger than they.” Moses said to the LORD, “Then the Egyptians will hear about it! By your power you brought these people up from among them. . . . ‘The LORD was not able to bring these people into the land he promised them on oath; so he slaughtered them in the desert.’ . . . forgive the sin of these people, just as you have pardoned them from the time they left Egypt until now.” The LORD replied, “I have forgiven them, as you asked. Nevertheless, . . . but who disobeyed me and tested me ten times-not one of them will ever see the land I promised on oath to their forefathers. No one who has treated me with contempt will ever see it. . . . In this desert your bodies will fall-every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.”
God was enraged at those who treated Him with contempt, for the ten spies only spoke about the situation of the land and they didn’t tell the people the fact that God was with them in that situation. They only looked at the barriers around them and failed to see the upside which was open. It was true that all sides were closed, but it was also true that the upside was open. However, they failed to report it. God pronounced a judgment that none of the Israelites, who grumbled against God, would enter Canaan, the land flowing with milk and honey.
Only Joshua and Caleb accurately reported the fact that God was with them. The reality of the land which the ten spies saw was totally different from what the two men, Joshua and Caleb, looked at. The ten only spoke about the barriers, but Joshua and Caleb also told about the ceiling that was open.
Through Moses God chose the most trustworthy people with the strongest faith from among 600,000 men, but only two of the twelve men were conscious of God. How deplorable and heartbreaking! All who read the Bible may think that they will follow in the footsteps of Joshua and Caleb. However, if they are actually confined in a glass box, it is not easy for them to look upward.
In this age, people like Joshua and Caleb are needed. Those who say about the present situation but do not speak of God who is with them in that situation cannot be like Joshua and Caleb. The more gloomy and difficult our current situation is and the more tightly the glass walls confine us, the more we should look at the upside, shouldn’t we?
Those who failed to look upward
It was not long after the Israelites saw the great power God displayed against the Egyptians that they began to grumble against God. They were also continuously observing God’s miracle of raining down bread from heaven for them every day.
When God rained down bread from heaven, there were only a few people who could look above. This occurred precisely a month after the Israelites left Rameses on the fifteenth day of the first month: As a month passed by, the food they had brought with them out of Egypt had almost run out. They looked all around, but there was nothing for them to eat.
Ex 16:1-5 The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the LORD’s hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death.” Then the LORD said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions. . . .”
Moreover, the land the Israelites were proceeding towards was not a fertile land which could produce various crops or fruits for them to eat, but it was a dry, barren wilderness. They could reach Canaan in about 10 days if they took a shortcut through Edom. However, God led them on a long journey through the desert, and their destination was still far away although they went on and on. They thought they would all die even before arriving at the destination. So, they grumbled against Moses and Aaron, saying it would have been better for them to stay in Egypt.
God also excluded these people. The ten spies reported to Moses what they really saw, and the people, who grumbled against Moses and Aaron because there was no food, just explained the circumstances they were in. However, what they saw with their eyes was different from the reality in the invisible world.
God had already prepared food for them. From the barn He had prepared in heaven, He rained down bread for them every day. Nevertheless, they just looked down, right and left, without seeing upward, so they couldn’t find food anywhere. God classified such people into a group that would be destroyed in the desert. So the Apostle Paul repeatedly emphasized in 1 Corinthians that we should not follow their example.
1 Co 10:1-13 . . . our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. . . .
God let those things happen to the Israelites as examples and warnings for us, so that we should not be like them. If we carefully observe what kind of people God was not pleased with and who were destroyed in the desert, we can find an answer to the question-’What kind of faith should we have in this age?’
When we walk the way to our heavenly home, we need the same kind of resolution as is required to walk the desert. On our journey, however, God is always with us. As we forget this, we feel helpless like a man who is confined in a glass box, but in actuality our own view of reality is not real. In fact, the upper side is open, and all the other sides are also open. Nevertheless, we confine ourselves in artificial boundaries made by our own thoughts.
Look at the reality of the spiritual world
Through the historical facts of Israelites’ life in the desert, let’s consider whether we look up and see all things that God operates or we just look back and forth, left and right, as we walk the desert of faith today.
In order to accomplish God’s work of saving the world, we are now making all efforts to find the “salt of the world” that will purify the whole world like the three percent of salt which purifies sea water. If we tell the good news to all nations, we will not always be in a favorable situation where they open their minds right away and listen to our preaching but we will face many difficult situations. We may feel confined in a glass box if we look back and forth, left and right. However, the upper side is always open.
The Bible tells us to cast all our anxiety on God (1 Pe 5:7). None of us by worrying can add a single hour to our life, and we cannot make even one hair white or black (Mt 6:27; 5:36). If God has said that He will bring us out of Egypt and lead us to Canaan through the desert of faith, God will surely accomplish the work by any means. So, all we have to do is go forward, depending only on God.
Just as God said that He carried His people on eagles’ wings and brought them to Himself, He now leads us by His power. While being carried on the eagles’ wings, we don’t need to worry whether the eagles can fly while carrying us.
God is always with us in reality. Nevertheless, the ten spies forgot the fact that there is the invisible world as well as the visible world, and they only spoke about the reality of the visible world. God said they would never enter Canaan. While God gave the physical Israelites Canaan as the land of rest, He has given the spiritual Israelites Heaven as the place of eternal rest for them. So, if God has told anyone that he will not enter Canaan, it means that he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
I earnestly hope that none of our brothers and sisters in Zion will fall away from God on the journey to the heavenly Canaan. We should be always conscious of God and look up to Him so that we can all enter the kingdom of God. Even though it seems that we are now in unfavorable circumstances where there is no food and that we are weak and feeble compared to them, we have God always standing by our side.
If we are conscious of God, we can overcome any fearful situation, as did Daniel and his three friends-Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. As they were conscious of God even in the dreadful situation, God shut the mouths of the lions and prevented the fiery furnace from harming them (Daniel 3, 6). Like them, those who always think of God live a miraculous life every day, but those who do not have God on their side live a difficult and painful life.
In the desert of faith, there are two kinds of people: people like Joshua and Caleb, and people like the ten spies. We need to carefully consider whose footsteps we should follow in, so that we will not end up regretting at the end of our journey to heaven. Let’s not only look at the external reality of the physical world, but see the reality of the spiritual world with our spiritual eyes like Joshua and Caleb, and follow our Father and Mother wherever They lead us, until the end.
By: Bell on July 12, 2011
at 8:29 am
Stella, why don’t you tell us the truth of the bible rather than being angry all the time?
Are we a waste of time for you? to much effort to save? why r u giving up?
As i can see, Bell is showing great patience in you guys, sharing stories and lessons from the bible and praising god here and there.
As for the anti-COG, you guys show nothing but anger.
And Laugh out loud at Pierce. the guy who reckons god has to be jewish and only jewish, Lollll. the truth and only one truth…lolllll. seriously do all the anti-COG people here all agree with Pierce with this?
By: Lol on July 24, 2011
at 6:15 pm
My dear LOL what makes you think I am angry all the time. I am feeling so sorry for this poor Bell whose mind Satan has attacked and why people like you too lose their mind to this Satan. Truly the Satan has not only kept Bell’s hands busy in error (Copy/Paste) and his mind away from the truth but also has puffed up his carnal pride, to keep him and you all captive.
While reading Bell’s little story about the glass box I felt it was indirectly reflecting on him or he was trying to express his feelings on how it is like being trapped in such WMSCOG containers. By the way the man in the story would have been able to scale the walls unless he was a korean spider man . And even he or you moved upward the upper side that is also partitioned by a glass wall will display a fake image of this Christ making you think he has ascended into heaven. So there is no way out for the cogs as long as they continue to believe in such fables told by their grandma.
Oh yes and is that all Bell knows about the Nationalist Gandhi who pledged himself never to be a Christian seeing a christian couple fight even if he might come to believe in Christ in the future. I am sure Gandhi’s thoughts would have been the same even now and while using MJ as his walking stick would have definitely told her “Woman you are not omniscient. Stop pretending to be God. You are so unlike Jesus Christ”
Lol so what is your purpose here on this anti-cog site? Does it not make you angry and fear the members may leave seeing how your lies have been exposed and the constant failure on your part in answering the questions.
Lol there is also list of Jesus to have come from Russia, Texas, Japan and so on. And not forgetting a few from Korea. We see the true parents in the Moonies too. And now we have Heavenly father and Mother seriously LOL. You have a vast choice of fake Gods of all nationalities to believe in.
The Hebrew Bible tells us that a Messiah will come, but how will we know him? Here are a few of the Messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures:
He will be Born of a Woman — Genesis 3:15
He will be a Descendant of Abraham — Genesis 12:1-3
From the Tribe of Judah — Genesis 49:10
From the House of David — 2 Samuel 7:12-13
He will be Born in Bethlehem — Micah 5:2 (5:1 in Hebrew)
He will have divine titles — Isaiah 9:6-7 (9:5-6 in Hebrew)
He will be a Prophet Like Moses — Deuteronomy 18:15
He will Come Humbly — Zechariah 9:9
He will be a Suffering Servant — Isaiah 52:13 to 53:12
Israel Will Mourn for Him — Zechariah 12:10
The Korean Messiah does not fit anywhere above and the most surprising thing is he himself never claimed to be Jesus. All the scriptures you paste here are with reference to Jesus. If he did preach and brought back passover an escape from disasters use his quotes if you have any. I am sure all Cogs will agree with this if you still have some sense to see the truth.
You can check with your head Pastor probably he may have the real script as to how MJ was dying to play the role of his bride and that too after his death. I am laughing out loud..
By: stella on July 25, 2011
at 5:40 am
You obviously only see what you want to see. I can tell that you’ve left out mention of how that’s ALL the WMS CoG robots do, they never bother to answer any questions posed at them. Instead, they spam the same stories and ignore everything else.
I can also tell that you’ve left out mention of how the non-CoG people have been trying with patience to ask relevant questions and post rebuttals, even though the CoG robots just post irrelevant replies.
Lol, you troll.
By: Seeking Truth on July 24, 2011
at 6:45 pm
God bless you all. First of all thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for all the blessings and all circumstances.
As we can see, Brothers and Sisters in Zion, the prophecies of the Bible is being fulfilled swiftly.
Isaiah 60:22 The least of you will become a thousand,
the smallest a mighty nation.
I am the LORD;
in its time I will do this swiftly.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
So many people continue to slander the truth. They can’t accept the truth about Heavenly Mother, about Zion, about the Feasts of God. But in the end, they’re actions will not matter any longer. There’s only two prophecy for ALL people in the world. They can be the ones who will become God’s people and enter Kingdom of Heaven which are only few, and there’s the people who will follow Satan and lead into eternal punishment of hell. Who do you want to belong to? We must be the ones to fulfill the prophecy of becoming God’s people and enter Kingdom of Heaven.
1 Peter 2:9 BUT YOU ARE A CHOSEN PEOPLE, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, a holy nation, A PEOPLE BELONGING TO GOD, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Isaiah 51:16 I have put my words in your mouth
and covered you with the shadow of my hand—
I who set the heavens in place,
who laid the foundations of the earth,
and WHO SAY TO ZION, ‘YOU ARE MY PEOPLE.
Revelation 22:5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And THEY WILL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.
These days, the members of Zion are diligently preaching the truth even in far-off countries overseas where the gospel has not yet reached. They are leaving truly meaningful footprints in time which never returns if it passes by. Even in various difficult circumstances, they are all leading many souls into the arms of Father and Mother. By doing that, they are writing the”New Acts” with their touching emotions and beautiful actions, which no other novelist can write.
Of course, the members of Zion in our own country are also participating in overseas missions by praying together with one mind for those who are preaching overseas, from early in the morning. I believe this is also a beautiful act of faith to participate in the gospel work Father and Mother are accomplishing.
When we look at the people described in the Bible, some received the blessing of eternal life as the result of living for the gospel, while others reached eternal destruction after living according to their own desires. There were the forefathers of faith like David and Apostles Peter and Paul, who had set the beautiful examples of the life of faith for us to follow, whereas there were also foolish people like Judas Iscariot, who ruined his life because of a moment’s wrong decision, and like Demas who loved the world and deserted the truth.
Yesterday never returns, and today is the same. Let’s take a look at the forefathers of faith who had lived a wonderful life for the gospel, and think about how to live our life more meaningfully.
Apostle Paul who had lived a life without regrets in the gospel
Apostle Paul knew intuitively that the time had come for him to leave this world after finishing his mission on this earth. So, when writing a letter to Timothy, Paul said he was proud that he had lived a valuable and meaningful life without any regret or shame.
2 Ti 4:6-8 『For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time has come for my departure. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.』
Whenever I read these verses, I truly envy the life of Paul who was able to confidently say that he had no regrets because if he lived, he lived for the Lord, and if he died, he would die for the Lord. I hope all of us also live a wonderful life which will be recorded so beautifully.
We have only one life to live. Since we cannot live any moment of our life twice, we should spend the time given to us more meaningfully for God and for the eternal kingdom of heaven. Let’s listen more to the Apostle Paul who ran the path of righteousness to the fullest without any regrets and kept the faith till the end.
2 Ti 4:1-5 『”In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction . . . But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.”』
Paul recommended that we should always make efforts to do the meaningful work of preaching the Word. We cannot turn back time that has already passed, so we must not have the thought: ‘I’d like to do worldly things to my heart’s content and then do the gospel work when I gain some composure in life.’ Our life is too short to waste time on worthless things. Let us do our best to live a life without any shame before God when we look back at every moment of our life.
In order for us to be able to say that we have walked the path of faith without regrets, as Paul did, when we stand before God after our life on this earth, we must not conform any longer to the pattern of this world but only think about what God’s will is and willingly obey God’s word all the time, as children of heaven.
Ro 12:1-3 『Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. . . .』
While pursuing the same values as the people of the world, we cannot live a life without regrets before God. If we live our life pursuing worldly things, we are just like the person who feels thirsty and drinks seawater; the seawater causes him to feel more thirsty. Likewise, the more our earthly desires are satisfied, the more thirsty we feel.
However, the water of life, which God gives us, never makes us feel thirsty again once we drink it. Our members in Zion are experiencing joy and happiness through this water of life, and they realize the feeling of joy and happiness cannot be replaced by anything else in the world. I hope all people living in our time will feel this joy and happiness together.
Let us all plan to live our one and only life for the eternal gospel of the kingdom of God, so our life can be wonderful. We need to throw away the thought, ‘I will do it when my circumstances permit,’ or, ‘I will start tomorrow.’ Only those who have the will to start”right now” can do this work and make their life beautiful.
The mission of Joshua and a lesson from it
The Bible has many records about the life and work of the forefathers who walked the wonderful and beautiful path of faith by the grace of God. One of them is Joshua, who carried out his mission with all his heart and soul in obedience to the will of God.
Joshua became the leader of Israel after the death of Moses. When he arrived in the promised land of Canaan flowing with milk and honey, he waged war against the Canaanites to conquer their land and to divide it by lot to each tribe of Israel. Let’s look at the history of the fall of Jericho, which served as a prelude to the conquest of Canaan in accordance with the guidance of God.
Jos 6:1-16 『Now Jericho was tightly shut up because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in. Then the LORD said to Joshua,”See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men. March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days . . . On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets. When you hear them sound a long blast on the trumpets, have all the people give a loud shout; then the wall of the city will collapse . . .” . . . But Joshua had commanded the people,”Do not give a war cry, do not raise your voices, do not say a word until the day I tell you to shout. Then shout!” . . . On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times. The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the people,”Shout! For the LORD has given you the city!”』
The God-given strategy to conquer the fortified city of Jericho was to shout all at once the moment they were told to”shout.” By obeying the word of God, the Israelites experienced the miracle of Jericho falling down before their very eyes, and they won a victory (Jos 6:20).
Prophetically, we are now in the same situation. The shout which the Israelites gave just before the fall of Jericho is just like the shout that the people of Zion, who have been sent to every region of the world, are giving to lead many souls to repentance before the fall of the spiritual Babylon. The parade of the members who shout the truth of the new covenant will continue towards the whole world, so that there will not even be a single country which the message of the gospel has not been preached to.
Our path is not smooth all the time. Just as the people of Jericho shut the gates of the fortress tightly because they were afraid of the Israelites, the devil in the invisible spiritual world will try to hinder the truth by every means possible because he is afraid that the glory of God will shine bright throughout the world.
However, the water of life is now continuously flowing all over the world, just as it is impossible to stop water flowing once the embankment bursts. Since the members are participating in the gospel with a resolution to live their one and only life for the gospel, even those with weak faith are moved and awakened, so they are now shouting together with one voice. Through the history of the time of Joshua, let’s look into the status of the gospel in this age, so that we can fully carry out our God-given mission.
Joshua who followed God’s will till the end
Even after conquering Jericho, Joshua continued to follow God’s will; he drove out many emigrant peoples from Canaan and distributed the conquered land among the tribes of Israel. As he had a premonition of his death after finishing his mission on this earth, he lastly taught the Israelites never to leave God.
Jos 23:1-11 『After a long time had passed and the LORD had given Israel rest from all their enemies around them, Joshua, by then old and well advanced in years, summoned all Israel—their elders, leaders, judges and officials—and said to them:”I am old and well advanced in years . . . you will take possession of their land, as the LORD your God promised you. Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or to the left . . . do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them . . . So be very careful to love the LORD your God.”』
Jos 24:14-18 『”Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD . . . But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.” Then the people answered,”Far be it from us to forsake the LORD to serve other gods! It was the LORD our God himself who brought us and our fathers up out of Egypt, from that land of slavery, and performed those great signs before our eyes. He protected us on our entire journey and among all the nations through which we traveled . . . We too will serve the LORD, because he is our God.”』
Joshua declared that he would serve only Jehovah until the last moment. He was always with God throughout his lifetime. And in his last will to the Israelites, he asked them not to foolishly lose eternal things while worshiping idols or pursuing worldly wealth or fame, which is vain and meaningless, but to live their lives given by God meaningfully. He lived a true life of faith without any regrets, always walking with God.
It was not only Joshua who lived such a faithful life. Apostle Paul devoted his whole life to preaching the gospel with a determination to live only for God and to nestle in His everlasting arms. So did the warriors of Gideon, Daniel and his friends—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. Moreover, the saints of the early Church kept the faith without even fearing death and without yielding to any threat. They all lived a truly meaningful and rewarding life.
Let us overcome hardship and live a life for the gospel without regrets
Life is given only once. Judas Iscariot, who took a wrong step in life and followed the devious way, finally ended up in irretrievable and eternal destruction. If he had been given one more chance in life, he would not have made the same mistake again. However, there was no more opportunity for him.
Even though the apostles, including Peter and Paul, walked the path of the gospel in the midst of hardship and affliction, they continued to follow Jesus’ words,”You have to take your cross and follow Me in order to be worthy of Me,” and as a result, they had no regrets in their life just before their death. They were confident that there was now in store for them the crown of righteousness in heaven because they had fought the good fight to the fullest and finished the race of faith by helping many souls repent and leading them into the arms of God. So they testified that they had lived their lives without any regrets even though they had gone through many dangers.
2 Co 11:24-30 『Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked . . . If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.』
The life of Apostle Paul was a series of many dangers and hardships just as he confessed. In spite of the repeated sufferings, he walked with God till the end, so he was able to smile in the last moments of his life.
During his one and only life, Paul made a gracious choice to proceed toward the eternal glory of heaven and ran diligently toward the goal. Like Paul and many forefathers of faith, we should also live a meaningful life, so that we will not have any regrets when we go to heaven. For this, let us pray fervently and try our hardest.
God has given us a precious and good way—a once-in-a-life-time opportunity. Even if we took our first step of faith without realizing it fully, the path we are on is the way to the kingdom of heaven, the way to eternal life and salvation, and the way to the glorious future.
There will be nothing more rewarding than being able to live our one and only life fully for the glory of Elohim and to end our life on this earth in God’s grace while proclaiming the glory of Jerusalem to the whole world. Father and Mother have granted us the opportunity to awaken all people around the world with the truth and lead them to salvation, starting with our neighbors. I earnestly ask you, people of Zion, to renew your mind by looking ahead into the glorious future of the kingdom of heaven and to live your one and only life faithfully for the gospel.
By: Bell on July 25, 2011
at 12:26 am
Bell,
The problem I see is that you have become like the church in that you add little exaggerations to bible versus and believe you have stumbled upon some sort of prophecy. You said, “As we can see, Brothers and Sisters in Zion, the prophecies of the Bible is being fulfilled swiftly.” Grammatical errors aside, there are problems with this statement. The “zion” near my house does not appear to have grown in size at all since last October when I finally came to my senses. (My wife likes to do a “drive by” of the parking lot on Sabbaths to see if there are any new victims.) Not to mention, the church is located 30miles from the city that it claims to represent. Mother has been promising them a real church (they are currently located in a office park) since at least May 09 when I was mentally abducted by the preachers. Nobody else that I know in this area has ever heard of mother god, and it is considered one of the most important cities in the world… What gives? I think your Mother Jerusalem has a lot of work to do before her 2012 deadline if Ahnsahnghong is going to end the world. Just remember…. nothing is too hard for god… well nothing except recruiting members (aka gathering lost children) I guess.
I realize that I might be coming across a little “snarky” but you need to understand that it is frustrating that you continue to type these lies that could lead some poor innocent person into your life ruining cult. You claim that you have true god, and that your god is not capable of mistakes, yet you, nor anyone else in your cult can answer easy questions. Wake up before you throw away your entire life!
By: walter on July 25, 2011
at 1:24 am
God bless you all.
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your MIND, and with all your strength.” Mark 12:31
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
By: Bell on July 25, 2011
at 6:07 pm
Children of Promise through Heavenly Father and Mother.
The character Abraham is used to represent God in the Bible. Through the history of Abraham’s family, God has revealed to us how we can inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac was the one who received Abraham’s inheritance. Even though Abraham had another son named Ishmael, born through Hagar, God did not allow Ishmael to receive the inheritance of Abraham. Rather, God bestowed the inheritance upon Isaac, who was born through Sarah. The reason why Isaac was chosen as Abraham’s heir was that Isaac was the son of Sarah, who was free. This history shows us that the heavenly inheritance will be given to those who are born of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that our heavenly Mother does in fact exist and that She is truly the biggest mystery hidden within the Bible.
Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Abraham Represents God
First of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.
Luke 16:19-31 『” . . . The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham . . . ‘ “』
As you know, this parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham can be likened to the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac, the Heir of Abraham
Then, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir. There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Gen. 15:1-4 『. . . But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』
When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.
Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said . . . So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.
Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』
When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three—Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac—Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
The Key Factor in Deciding an Heir Is “Mother”
Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir. Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.
In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir— that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.
What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.
Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother—only the children who are born through the new covenant—can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:22-31 『. . . But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother . . . Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
In today’s world, there are three types of people: those who are like Eliezer, those like Ishmael, and those who are like Isaac. The first type of people, who are like Eliezer, are atheists, who do not believe in Father God or in Mother God. The second type of people, who are like Ishmael, are those who believe in Father God, but do not believe in Mother God. The third type of people, who are like Isaac, are those who believe in Mother God as well as Father God. According to the history of Abraham’s family, which one of these three types can become an heir of the kingdom of heaven? Only the third type of people, who are like Isaac, can be recognized as God’s heirs. There is no doubt about it.
Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.
God said, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). What kind of knowledge is God referring to in this verse? We must recognize that we have a God the Mother, as well as a God the Father. We must accept God Elohim. Also, we must firmly believe that God is our Mother, who gives us salvation alongside our Father. Only after we come to realize this can we say that we have the knowledge of God, and that we will not be those who are destroyed from a “lack of knowledge.”
The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on July 25, 2011
at 6:14 pm
I came across this link. Nice clarification
http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/mother-in-the-bible-country-or-korean-lady-galatians-426/
WMSCOG formula:
mother in the Bible (Galatians 4:26) = Jerusalem above (Galatians 4:26) = Jerusalem bride (Revelation 21:2) = bride wife of Jesus (Revelation 21:9)= bride gives water of life (Revelation 22:17, just like Jesus in John 4:14) = Therefore, bride is mother god
Clear as mud right? Anyone can clearly see that this does grave violence to the original meaning of the Scriptures. If you skip around in the Bible this way doing a keyword search, you can make it say anything you want to. Unfortunately for the WMSCOG, this interpretation easily fails when we read the verses in their proper context (and by the way, if you thought you could make sense of any book by jumping around all over it, grabbing a line from this chapter and another line from another chapter, you should try this with some other book in your library you’ve read before and see how it very poorly communicates the underlying story).
Problems With Their Personal Interpretation
1. While the WMSCOG does not believe that the “bride” in the Bible represents the church, they contradict their own founder, a Korean man named Ahnsahnghong, when he writes that the bride does represent the church.
2. While the WMSCOG believes that the “mother” in Galatians 4:26 represents a “mother god” (whom they also claim is a lady living in Korea named Zhang Gil-Jah), they again contradict their own founder Ahnsahnghong who never wrote anything about a “mother god”.
Galatians 4:26 Grossly Misinterpreted
The WMSCOG continues their pattern of misinterpreting Scripture by completely ignoring the context surrounding their cherry-picked verses. A person can be seriously mislead by this sort of thinking if the context surrounding Galatians 4:26 is not examined. Considering the context of Galatians 4 in its entirety, it becomes clear that the apostle Paul was not referring to a “female god”. Let us read the text as it is written.
Paul begins the chapter by comparing Christians to heirs of their father’s estate (v.1-2). In continuing with this analogy, Paul goes on to explain how we were slaves under the law until Jesus, also born under the law, came to redeem us and adopt us as God’s children, making us heirs of our Father’s Kingdom.
But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[b] 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba,[c] Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir. Galatians 4:4-7
Paul goes on to express his concern for the Galatians because they had turned back to observing “special days and months and seasons and years” (v.9-10). It is clear that Paul is quite disturbed by the behavior of the Galatians when he says “I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you” (v.11) and “I am perplexed about you!” (v.20). The Galatians seemed to have turned back to observing the ceremonial law of Moses, (“Tell me, you who want to be under the law” v. 21) despite having learned about redemption through Jesus Christ.
Paul uses the story of Abraham and his two sons to illustrate his point. Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman (Hagar) and one by a free woman (Sarah). As we read on in Galatians 4, Paul tells us that what he is about to say should be taken figuratively (aka metaphorically, allegorically, NOT literally).
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. Galatians 4:24-26
When interpreting the above verses figuratively as Paul intended (and flat out says), the following becomes clear:
1. Hagar represents the present city Jerusalem, the old covenant, and therefore her children are slaves
2. Sarah represents the heavenly city Jerusalem, the new covenant, and therefore her children are free
Therefore, in Galatians 4:26, it is clear that when Paul says that the “new Jerusalem is our mother” he is referring to the heavenly country Jerusalem as our motherland. In order to illustrate this more clearly, here are some additional Biblical examples of the word “mother” being used to refer to a country.
We are the peaceful and faithful in Israel. You are trying to destroy a city that is a mother in Israel… 2 Samuel 20:19 (In this verse, mother represents a city in Israel.)
You stumble day and night, and the prophets stumble with you. So I will destroy your mother… Hosea 4:5 (It is clear, after reading the entire chapter, that mother in this verse refers to Israel as well.)
For more information on what the word “mother” is used to represent in the Bible, please view this excellent article.
Conclusion
As you can see, Galation 4:26 taken out of context can mean anything. However, when we read the verse in context, it is abundantly clear that this verse does not refer to a mother god. When I was in the WMSCOG, they discouraged us from reading outside the verses they wanted us to memorize because they said we would not be able to understand the Bible on our own. Actually, I can see another reason why–because doing so quickly leads one to leave the WMSCOG.
By: stella on July 25, 2011
at 7:33 pm
God bless you all. First of all thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for all the blessings and all circumstances.
As we can see, Brothers and Sisters in Zion, the prophecies of the Bible is being fulfilled swiftly.
Isaiah 60:22 The least of you will become a thousand,
the smallest a mighty nation.
I am the LORD;
in its time I will do this swiftly.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
So many people continue to slander the truth. They can’t accept the truth about Heavenly Mother, about Zion, about the Feasts of God. But in the end, they’re actions will not matter any longer. There’s only two prophecy for ALL people in the world. They can be the ones who will become God’s people and enter Kingdom of Heaven which are only few, and there’s the people who will follow Satan and lead into eternal punishment of hell. Who do you want to belong to? We must be the ones to fulfill the prophecy of becoming God’s people and enter Kingdom of Heaven.
1 Peter 2:9 BUT YOU ARE A CHOSEN PEOPLE, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, a holy nation, A PEOPLE BELONGING TO GOD, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Isaiah 51:16 I have put my words in your mouth
and covered you with the shadow of my hand—
I who set the heavens in place,
who laid the foundations of the earth,
and WHO SAY TO ZION, ‘YOU ARE MY PEOPLE.
Revelation 22:5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And THEY WILL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.
DON’T LISTEN IF THESE ANTI-CHURCH OF GOD PEOPLE CALL US ROBOTS BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW GOD’S LAWS AND PROPHECIES TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE SLAVE TO CHRIST SO WE FOLLOW GOD’S WORDS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS PLEASING TO MEN OR NOT.
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. KEEPING GOD’S COMMANDS IS WHAT COUNTS. 20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord’s freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is CHRIST’S SLAVE. 23 You were bought at a price; DO NOT BECOME SLAVES OF MEN.
1 Corinthians 9:21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (THOUGH I AM NOT FREE FROM GOD’S LAW BUT AM UNDER CHRIST’S LAW), so as to win those not having the law.
Let’s gain our freedom from being slave of sin and let’s choose to become SLAVES OF CHRIST THAN SLAVES OF MEN so we can follow Christ examples and enter Kingdom of Heaven. In the end, these anti-Church of God will not matter anymore. So we must endure until the end by doing Heavenly Father and Mother’s will.
Today there are numerous churches throughout the world, and the number of those who believe in God is countless like the sand by the sea. They have their own doctrines and feel proud that they are God’s children and are saved.
Among those numerous people, how many people are the children of God? Not everyone can actually become a child of God even though they claim to be. The one whom God does not acknowledge as His child can never be a child of God.
Only the person approved by God can receive the right to enter heaven as a child of God.
“Children of promise” approved by the Holy Spirit
2,000 years ago, God took on fl esh and blood just like His children and came to this earth in the position of the”Son.” He was Jesus Christ.
In those days, people failed to recognize Jesus; some rejected Him, while others regarded Him merely as a prophet. However, Peter, one of Jesus’ disciples, confidently confessed his faith before Jesus,”You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Then Jesus blessed Peter and gave him the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Mt 16:13-19).
Ro 8:16-17 『The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.』
The Bible tells us that God’s children will surely become His heirs, and that God’s heirs will share in the glory of heaven without fail. God’s children are to receive the heavenly inheritance, so they are all God’s heirs. Since the right to become one’s heir is given to his eldest son, the fact that we are God’s children and His heirs shows that we are the firstborn of heaven (cf. Heb 12:22-24).
Then, what kind of people does God approve as His children and heirs? The Bible calls God’s children”children of promise,” and explains that they are like Isaac, who was the heir of Abraham.
Gal 4:28 『Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.』
There were three candidates to inherit the estate of Abraham, the forefather of faith. Among them, God acknowledged Isaac, who was chosen as Abraham’s only heir. By taking a look at the process, let’s examine what kind of people are the true children and heirs of God.
A lesson from Abraham’s family
Abraham had no children until he was 85 years old. Before he left the world, he had to decide who would be his heir to inherit his property, but since he had no children, he could not help but be worried and distressed. So, Abraham made up his mind to adopt Eliezer, a faithful servant in his household, as his heir to inherit his estate.
Ge 15:2-5 『But Abram said,”O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said,”You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him:”This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”. . .』
God said to Abraham,”This man will not be your heir.” Here, God our Father, the Holy Spirit, disapproves of Eliezer as Abraham’s heir, and testifies,”A son coming from your own body will be your heir,” just as the Spirit Himself testifies that we are God’s children.
Afterwards, Abraham was advised by his wife Sarah to produce a seed through her maidservant Hagar, and he had a son named Ishmael through her.
Ge 16:15 『So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Since his son was born, he believed that his heir was now decided. At that time, Ishmael was the eldest and only son of Abraham. So, Abraham naturally thought about leaving his property to Ishmael, but that was not the will of God, either. When Abraham was 99 years old, God appeared to him and said again:
Ge 17:15-19 『God also said to Abraham,”As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations . . .” Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself,”Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” And Abraham said to God,”If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said,”Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.”』
Abraham was afraid that he had been continuously causing God anxiety due to his own family matter. So he said to God,”If only Ishmael live under your blessing!” but God said no. Eventually, Ishmael was not accepted as Abraham’s heir, either. God rejected Eliezer and Ishmael. However, as for Isaac, even before his birth, God Himself testified that he would become the heir of Abraham.
Abraham’s family is a shadow which shows how we, children of heaven, will be saved. The process of how the heir of Abraham was determined includes the crucial truth for deciding God’s heirs who will inherit the kingdom of God. That was why God personally intervened and distinguished who would be Abraham’s heir and who wouldn’t be.
The Bible says that we are children of promise like Isaac. What condition of faith is required for us to become like Isaac? The most important factor that decided the heir of Abraham was Sarah, the mother of Isaac. Ishmael was also a son of Abraham, but his mother was a slave. God suggested two conditions for being the heir of Abraham: The first condition was that he should come from Abraham’s own body, and the second and final condition was that he should come from Sarah’s body. God did not acknowledge anyone who did not come from the body of Abraham and of Sarah as Abraham’s heir, that is, his firstborn son.
We have God our Mother, who is free (Gal 4:26). No one can be an heir of God except through God the Mother. If one is not an heir of God, it means that he is not a child of God; and if he is not a child of God, he cannot be saved after all. That is why the Bible repeatedly emphasizes that we are children of God our Mother, saying,”Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise” (Gal 4:28) and”We are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman” (Gal 4:31).
We are approved as God’s children who will enjoy eternal glory in the everlasting kingdom of heaven. Even God Himself testifies, saying,”You are My children, My heirs.”
The blessings promised to the firstborn of heaven who keep the new covenant
We are truly blessed and thankful that we have become the children and heirs of Heavenly Father and Mother. God our Father and Mother have prepared the blessings, which the human mind cannot conceive, for Their loving children, the firstborn of heaven.
Ge 1:26 『Then God said,”Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”』
When God the Creator made man in the beginning, His purpose of creating man was to”let them rule over all the creatures.” This authority to rule, which is given to human beings created in the image of God, is not only over things on the earth, but it also refers to the authority to reign in heaven which God’s people who are saved will enjoy for ever and ever.
Rev 22:3-5 『No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.』
The authority to rule over all the creatures, which God promised in Genesis, is the privilege and honor given to God’s children who are to be redeemed from the earth and receive the inheritance of God. Thus, those who will enter the kingdom of God and reign for ever and ever are the firstborn of heaven,”children of promise like Isaac.”
Therefore, God’s children like Isaac must have God the Mother, who is free.
God created man and woman, saying,”Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” In this passage also, we can confirm that there must be God the Father and God the Mother as well (Ge 1:26-27).
Rev 22:17 『The Spirit and the bride say,”Come!” And let him who hears say,”Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.』
God the Father and God the Mother have called us to be Their children. In this age of the Holy Spirit, those who receive God the Father and God the Mother, the Spirit and the Bride, are given the right to become children of God.
The kingdom of God is a place where there is eternal life. So, God called His children to receive eternal life first.
Jn 6:54-55 『”Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
God gave His children His flesh and blood through the Passover (cf. Mt 26:17-19, 26-28). In the truth of the new covenant promised through the Passover, we’ve been able to obtain eternal life and to receive Heavenly Mother, the new Jerusalem.
The New Covenant Passover is closely related to Heavenly Mother. Jesus referred to the Passover bread as His flesh, and when God created Eve, Adam testified about Eve,”This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.” Adam represents Jesus to come again, God our Father who is the Holy Spirit (Ro 5:14).
Just as Adam testified about Eve, God our Father has led us to God our Mother, who is life, through the truth of the new covenant. Eventually, every truth of the Bible focuses on Mother.
It is because God our Mother is working behind the scenes that we are qualified to receive the heavenly inheritance as the firstborn of heaven. If we fail to realize Mother and do not receive Her, we will finally lose the right to inherit the kingdom of God like Eliezer and Ishmael. Only those who believe in God the Mother can become the firstborn of heaven. So, in this age, God the Father and God the Mother have come as the Spirit and the Bride and have given us the blood of the covenant—the Passover, the blood of God the Father and God the Mother.
The firstborn of heaven resemble God and do the work of God
Only the children of Zion in the whole universe have the blood of the new covenant. So, no matter how cleverly false prophets and false Christians may disguise themselves in sheep’s clothing, God can easily distinguish who they are.
Many people beg God earnestly, saying,”Lord, Lord! We’ve fervently believed in You. So, please let us into heaven,” but God does not acknowledge them as His heirs. God’s children have in themselves the blood of God, the commandments of God, the faith in Jesus’ new name—the name of the Savior whom the Bible testifies about, and the faith in Mother the new Jerusalem. However, they do not have all these things. That is why God tells them,”I never knew you. Away from Me” (Mt 7:21-23).
The devil tries to harm our spiritual DNA, so that our DNA will not match God’s and we will eventually fail to enter the kingdom of heaven. We must not let him do that kind of thing at all. Older people in Korea have the traditional concept that their whole body from head to toe has been inherited from their parents, so they must not put even a single hair on their body in harm’s way. It is the same spiritually. We must not damage anything that has been inherited from Father and Mother. I hope that our family members of Zion will all receive the eternal blessings of heaven as the firstborn of heaven by keeping and preserving the things of Father and Mother till the end.
Children are to resemble their parents. Father and Mother are pleased with the work of saving souls, but if we avoid doing the work or think that it is enough if I myself am saved, regardless of whether others are saved or not, we cannot be called God’s children who resemble God. The Bible says that if we are Abraham’s children, we should do the things Abraham did, and if we are God’s children, we should do the things God did (Jn 8:39). If Father and Mother have worked hard to save souls, we should also live that same kind of life.
We must not neglect the privilege of the firstborn of heaven. Esau, who had despised his birthright, was deprived of all the blessings of the birthright and burst out with a loud and bitter cry. Being at a loss about what to do, he begged his father for even a single blessing, saying,”Do you have only one blessing?
Bless me too!” However, all the blessings of the birthright had already been passed on to Jacob. The birthright, which Esau had once sold, never returned to him again (Ge 25:24-34; 27:1-40).
Heb 12:15-17 『See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. He could bring about no change of mind, though he sought the blessing with tears.』
There must not be anyone who is godless like Esau in the truth. Our inheritance rights as the firstborn of heaven are so precious and valuable that even angels long to look into the truth we have (1 Pe 1:12). Nothing in the human world is worthy to be envied. The only thing that the angels envy is this truth that enables us to become the firstborn of heaven.
As a royal prince takes special classes to learn the qualifications to become a king, so we are now taking classes for the firstborn of heaven. Preaching the gospel is not something that anyone can do, but it is the privilege of the firstborn.
God has entrusted this task only to those whom He approves (1 Th 2:4). Keeping God’s commandments, being considerate of our brothers and sisters and loving them, and following the teachings of God exactly—doing all these things is taking the classes for the firstborn. If we disobey even a single command of God, we will end up being like Esau who gave up his birthright. Let us glorify Heavenly Father and Mother by giving infinite thanks to Them for having called us to be the firstborn of heaven and diligently putting into practice the many teachings that God has given us to make us worthy of being the firstborn of heaven.
Mother is with us even at this moment. How blessed and happy we are!
Without Mother, we can never become children of promise like Isaac. Without Mother, we would not be able to receive the heavenly inheritance, even though we eagerly desire it, like Ishmael and Eliezer.
Our Mother is the most precious treasure to us. I earnestly hope that you will all enter the eternal kingdom of heaven by following Jerusalem Mother, who is our eternal spiritual home, and obeying Her wherever She leads us, as the firstborn of heaven.
By: Bell on July 26, 2011
at 12:41 am
Hi Bell,
I notice a couple things from your post. (Well, more than that, but I’m only going to focus on a couple…)
1. You said, “following the teachings of God exactly…. If we disobey even a single command of God, we will end up being like Esau who gave up his birthright.”
So why did the wmscog pastor encourage my member friend to marry her non-member boyfriend, when the Bible clearly says not to be unequally yoked together with an unbeliever? (2 Cor. 6:14)
And why did has the member husband of my non-member friend been encouraged by the wmscog to divorce her when she is willing to stay in the marriage despite the difference of beliefs? (1 Cor. 7:11)
The wmscog says that you must follow ALL the teachings of God exactly, yet they encourage their members to DISOBEY the teachings of God.
2. In regards to “A lesson from Abraham’s family,” please read my series on Galatians 4:26, starting here: http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2010/11/galatians-426-part-1.html
I’d like to know what you think.
3. And about Isaac, did you know that Ahnsahnghong thought Isaac was actually God in the flesh? For more information see http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/04/who-was-isaac-really.html
I also thought you might be interested in the series I’ve been working on about the wmscog teaching that the cross is a pagan idol. It starts here:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/07/is-cross-idol-part-1.html
And one more thing, did you know that Ahnsahnghong’s gravestone declares that he was the Prophet Elijah, not the Christ? It also lists his natural children–yes, he was married and had children with his wife (who was not Zahng Gil-Jah!)
Do you have any response to that? And please don’t say that these are “false rumors” because it is documented truth.
I do hope you will realize the truth about the wmscog and that we will be able to be friends one day.
By: genny on August 5, 2011
at 9:00 am
Sorry, forgot to include the link about Ahnsahnghong’s grave. Here it is:
http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/ahnsahnghongs-tombstone-says-the-prophet-elijah-not-jesus/
By: genny on August 5, 2011
at 9:01 am
Nowadays, the prophecy in the Bible is being fulfilled swiftly. We can see the recent US debt ceiling that cause global economic crisis. People are in fear about their physical lives, fortune and material success will just disappear. Its all been written in the Bible (Mt. 24)
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your MIND, and with all your strength.” Mark 12:31
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
By: Bell on August 9, 2011
at 10:38 am
Bell you or any of your members have no truth and real answers so we conclude that this is the reason why you simply keep posting the repeated matter.
If you know truth, then you will recognize lie. But if you not know truth, you will not know if what someone says true, false – which?
Picture: If you don’t know what mean “dog,” then maybe I show you bird and tell you, “This is dog.” Then you maybe believe me. But if you finish know what dog is, then you will never believe bird is dog.
Yes Bell Nowadays, the prophecy in the Bible is being fulfilled swiftly. This is the age of deception and age of delusion. We can see lots of false prophets who put fear into their members about their physical lives, fortune and material success will just disappear if they do not surrender it all to their cult leaders. Its all been written in the Bible
They talk about Jesus and And then they believe and give thanks to the false Gods who did nothing like Jesus did. Satan will use even the name of Jesus as a sheild just how he uses the Bible as a deceptive tool
Bible says
For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.”
Jeremiah 29:9, KJV
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
Matthew 7:15-20, KJV
“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many . . . And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many . . . For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
Matthew 24:4-5, 11, 24, KJV
“For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”
Mark 13:22, KJV
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
2 Corinthians 11:13-15, KJV
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”
2 Timothy 3:13, KJV
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;”
2 Timothy 4:3, KJV
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
2 Peter 2:1, KJV
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
1 John 4:1, KJV
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By: stella on August 17, 2011
at 4:18 pm
All Religion are businesses. They just prey on people for their interests. Yes, Money is included on that.
By: x-cog member on August 21, 2011
at 12:13 am
1 Peter 2:9 BUT YOU ARE A CHOSEN PEOPLE, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, a holy nation, A PEOPLE BELONGING TO GOD, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Isaiah 51:16 I have put my words in your mouth
and covered you with the shadow of my hand—
I who set the heavens in place,
who laid the foundations of the earth,
and WHO SAY TO ZION, ‘YOU ARE MY PEOPLE.
All of the earthly systems are a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. The family system is the same. Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us the existence of the heavenly Mother by teaching us about the heavenly family system through the earthly family system.
Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.』
Everything within the spiritual world is reflected on this earth. In other words, everything on the earth is a shadow, and the things in heaven are the realities of what is on earth.
God established the earthly family system to show us that there is also a family system in heaven. The reason why God made every family on the earth has a father, a mother, and children was to reveal that in heaven, as well, there are a Father, a Mother, and children. God’s providence is to let us know that there exists a God the Mother in heaven, as well as a God the Father.
Do you want to be a part of the heavenly family? Let us find out how we can be members of the heavenly family.
House
What are you reminded of when you hear the word “family”? Don’t you think of a “house”? Jesus also mentioned a “house” many times in the Bible.
John 14:1-3 『”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place [house] for you. And if I go and prepare a place [house] for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.』
Jesus said that the Father’s house surely exists. As of now, the house has been prepared. Then, who will be the members of this house? The family system described in the Bible is paternalistic. As you can see through your physical family, the first, main member of the house is the father. Therefore, if there is a father in the families on the earth, there must also be a Father in heaven.
Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong
Let us find out if we have a Father in heaven.
Heb. 12:9 『Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!』
The God in heaven is our God the Father. Just as we have a physical father on this earth, we have a spiritual Father in heaven. He is God the Father, Ahnsahnghong.
Children of Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong
Who comes to mind next when we think of a family? Most people will think of a “mother.” But before we consider “mother,” we have to think about what kind of person can be called a “father.” No one can be called “father” unless he has a child. No matter how old a man is, if he has had no children, who would call him “father”? The title “father” is only used by children.
Therefore, a family must have children. Let us find out if our heavenly Father has children.
Matt. 12:46 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Here, we can find the words “brothers” and “sisters.” Just as we have physical brothers and sisters, we have spiritual brothers and sisters. God’s children, who call upon the God in heaven as “Father,” must follow the will of the heavenly Father. In the Church of God, the children of the heavenly Father keep the Sabbath, the Passover, and all of the other truths, according to the will of the Father in heaven. The Church of God follows the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and we are brothers and sisters.
Heavenly Mother Jerusalem
We have studied that there exist a God the Father, and His children, in the heavenly family. Then, who is left? It’s Mother.
Gal. 4:25-26 『Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.
So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.
The Family Must Be Connected by Blood
What connects a family together? It’s blood. Just as physical children inherit their father and mother’s flesh and blood, the spiritual children inherit the spiritual Father and Mother’s flesh and blood. If the physical family is connected by physical blood, then the heavenly family is connected by heavenly blood, because what is on earth is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.
John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
Jesus fed his people with His flesh and blood, so the heavenly Father and Mother’s blood and flesh are now in us. Only God has eternal life. The flesh and blood of God—who gives eternal life—has been given to us, God’s children. Thus, we have become eternal beings and we are able to call upon God, “Abba, Father!”
Right to Become the Children of Father Ahnsahnghong
Then, through what truth can we receive the right to become God’s children? How can we inherit the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father?
Matt. 26:17-19 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.』
Matt. 26:26-28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
As shown above, the Passover bread is Jesus’ body, His flesh, and the Passover wine is Jesus’ blood. By eating and drinking the bread and wine of the Passover, we can receive God’s flesh and blood and become God’s children.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who brought the Passover in this last age. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our spiritual Father who brought us the Passover, which spiritually connects us with God. Our spiritual Mother is the true God who gives us birth and brings us up. Don’t you want to be a member of the spiritual family? Let us all become God’s children, receiving the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and our heavenly Mother through the Passover of the new covenant, so that we can inherit the kingdom of God.
By: Bell on August 22, 2011
at 1:12 pm
All the glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother Jerusalem for everything. It is amazing to see how Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother fulfilled every single prophesy through the Bible. Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother are the only source of eternal life in these last days. How can you denied that according to the prophecies a man (God) has to come from the East (South Korea) in 1948 (according to the Fig Tree Lesson) to fulfill God’s purpose? Christ Ahnsahnghong has come just according to what the Bible testifies, Christ Ahnsahnghong has come to grant salvation to Zion; Christ Ahnsahnghong has come to show us our Heavenly Mother.
But still we are all stubborn people, we have rebelled against God, that’s why God said:
Isaiah 46: 8-13 “Remember this, fix it in mind, take it to heart, you rebels…..I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do. Listen to me, you stubborn hearted, you who are far from righteousness. I am bringing my righteousness near, it is not far away; and my salvation will not be delayed. I will grant salvation to Zion…”
How can we tell God what to do?
God is Almighty and God will do as God pleased. I cannot denied anything about the fulfillment of God’s prophecies, I can only give thanks and praises to Elohim God. But still as God said, we have to remember it and to fix it in our heart, God already knew that it is going to be very difficult for us to accept that God will come one more time in the flesh, that He will come in our generation, and He will come from such a small country in the East (South Korea); that Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled these prophecies.
That is why now a days many churches in the world and many different people look at Christ Ahnsahnghong as some kind of heresy. People call the Church of God heretic. But before making a huge mistake we need to comprehend what is heresy and to not judge Christ Ahnsahnghong’s teachings as heretic until you testify and confirm them through the Bible.
Let’s see what is “HERESY”
The word, “heresy,” has historically never been used as frequently as it is today. Since the advent of Christianity, even non-Christians have thoughtlessly used the word, without ever considering its true meaning.
The Church of God believes in Christ Ahnsahnghong, who came, wearing the flesh, in accordance with the prophecies of Jesus’ second coming. The Church of God keeps the Passover and the Sabbath day, as Christ taught; however, the world rejects the Church, arguing, “They believe in a man,” and, “They keep the Sabbath.” The Bible testifies that the churches keeping Sunday service, Christmas, and Thanksgiving Day, and who revere the cross and the Virgin Mary, without ever referring to the Bible, are the true heretics.
1) Here is the dictionary’s definition of Heresy
a) adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma
b) dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice
c) an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally
accepted beliefs or standards
2) The origin of the word
The word “heresy” comes from the Greek αἵρεσις, hairesis (from αἱρέομαι, haireomai, “choose”), meaning either a choice of beliefs, or a faction of dissident believers.
3) The Bible’s interpretation
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us what is “heresy” in the Bible.
Gal. 5:20, KJV “Idolatry, witchcraft…wrath, strife, seditions, heresies.”
2 Pet. 2:1 “…They will secretly introduce destructive heresies…”
Tit. 3:10, KJV” A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject…”
4) The Doctrine of Christianity
During the Early Church, heresy was considered to be any opinion or doctrine which deviated from the truth of the Early Church, from those who followed only the teachings of Jesus. In other words, the religious organizations that do not follow the words of God, which have been written in the Bible, are heretical.
2 Pet. 2:1″But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.”
Results of Heresy:
a) Heresy results in destruction.
b) Heresy brings the way of truth into disrepute.
c) Heretics teach the rules of men, that is, they teach the stories that have been made up by men, not the words of the Bible.
d) Heretics are false prophets who rebel against God.
e) Heretics can never be saved.
It is so sad to see the foolishness of the people, because it is not wise for a man to pass judgment on a church, simply because it is a church that he has never attended. The Bible must be our standard of judgment. All of the churches that do not follow the Bible will be destroyed in the end.
PROPHECY WILL BE FULFILLED NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!
Matt. 7:21-29 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven…Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock…But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Christ Ahnsahnghong testified that those who follow the ways of heresy will be led to destruction. Christianity always saw as heretics those who do not follow the teachings of the Bible. Heresy is the weeds that have been sown by the devil in an effort to bring the way of truth into disrepute. Then, which church can be considered heretical: the Church of God, that follows the teachings of the Bible? or the religious bodies that do not follow the teachings of the Bible, obstinately blaming the Church of God because it follows doctrines which are different than their own?
JUDGE FOR YOURSELF AND DON’T LET OTHERS JUDGE FOR YOU!!!!!
Christ Ahnsahnghong foretold the appearance of heretical teachings through the following parable.
Matt. 13:24-42 “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away…Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn…As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age…They will weed out everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
As is stated above, heretics are those who do not follow the laws of God, those who practice lawlessness. Among the many heresies in the world, let’s focus on the concept of Sunday service.
Following the teachings of Ahnsahnghong, the Sabbath day (the seventh day, Saturday) is one of God’s commandments. All history books testify to this fact. For example:
1) Catholic books, The Faith of Millions by Reverend John A. O’Brien, records as follows:
“But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible” (pp. 400-401).
It is clear that Sunday service is a rule of men, not of God.
Among so many heresies, we have only explored the origin of Sunday service. The Sabbath day is God’s commandment, but Sunday service is a man-made teaching (HERESY). Therefore, the Church of God, which follows the teachings of Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong, can be proven as the true Church because it keeps the Sabbath day.
Only senseless people blame the true Church, Church of God, calling it “heresy,” when the number of the heresy-believers surpasses that of truth-believers.
1) Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us that even Jesus, was treated as a heretic.
The Jewish people who lived two thousand years ago referred to Christianity as the “Nazarene sect,”persecuting Christians for following Jesus, who was from Nazareth (Acts 24:5). Regarding Him as a heretic, the Jews tried to kill Jesus many times.
John 8:59 “At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
John 10:30-31 “I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him…
John 11:53 “So from that day on they plotted to take his life.”
The religious leaders of that time, who regarded Jesus as a heretic, had not recognized their sin until they handed Him over to be crucified. They believed that their actions were just, even faithful to God, and they boldly shouted, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!”(Matt. 27: 23-25).
When God appears in the flesh, He is still God, not a man; however, the people thought that Jesus’ divinity was only self-proclaimed. When Jesus asked the Jews why they wanted to stone Him, they answered very confidently, “We are not stoning you for any of these, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God”(John 10:33). By their actions, the Jews treated Jesus as if he had been a heretic.
2) Jesus’ disciples were also called heretics
Do you think that the people who condemned Jesus, by claiming that He was a heretic, acknowledged His disciples? (NO)
When the Apostles preached the gospel, the Jews denounced them, too. They assumed that the disciples were only heretics who had worshiped Jesus, the son of a carpenter, and had fabricated His divinity. The disciples, who proclaimed that Jesus was the Christ, were
flogged (Acts 5:40) chased (Acts 9:23-25) and even stoned to death (Acts 7:59).
Acts 24:1-9 “We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect.”
Acts 7:59-60 “While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed…”Lord, do not hold this sin against them.”When he had said this, he fell asleep [died].”
3) A present-day view of heresy
Here is an example that happens very frequently:
When a deacon of the Protestant church first heard the truth, he asked the pastor of the Protestant church, “I happen to know of a church that proclaims that the Sabbath day is Saturday, not Sunday, and that the 25th of December is not the birthday of Jesus. Are this church’s teachings correct?”
The pastor’s answer was ridiculous, “Biblically, the Sabbath day is Saturday, and the 25th of December is not the birthday of Jesus, but any church that keeps the Sabbath and does not celebrate Christmas is heretical.”
What does his answer mean?
His standard of judgment is not the Bible, but the doctrine of his own denomination. Since Jesus and His disciples kept the Sabbath day and did not celebrate Christmas, were they heretics? Today, people accuse those who follow the teachings of Jesus, calling them heretics. They use the same arguments as those who denounced Jesus as a heretic.
Here is another example:
Copernicus and Galileo, advocates of the heliocentric theory, were also judged and regarded as heretics. In those days, the Roman Catholic Church supported the geocentric theory, the belief that the earth is the center of the universe and that the sun, the moon, and the stars move around the earth.
The theories of Copernicus and Galileo were treated as mere heresy for a long time. However, as the field of science developed, their heliocentric theory became common knowledge, and the astronomers are now respected as pioneers.
When we study the Bible, we can clearly understand what heresy is. If you believe in God, and if you believe that the Bible was written by people who were moved by the Holy Spirit, you will surely be able to discern the true church from the churches practicing heresy.
The Church of God, established by Christ Ahnsahnghong, follows only the teachings of the Bible, and that’s why it can be easily recognized as the true Church.
Just as a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and as a bad tree cannot bear good fruit, the people who refuse to follow the teachings of the Bible will never be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
In the end there is only true God, Elohim God, (Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem) and the truth always prevails!
By: Bell on August 22, 2011
at 1:18 pm
Tell me, Bell.. the purpose of Jesus Christ being incarnated as a man was for the very invisible God, a spirit by nature, to sacrifice Himself physically as a sacrifice of flesh. Jesus came in human form to understand our sufferings, to heal us, and to become a living sacrifice upon the cross.
What is the point of Zhang Gil-Jah, the Heavenly Mother, as a fleshly being? Where in scripture does it say the “Heavenly Mother” shall become flesh, living in Korea as some testimony of the Holy Spirit?
Not only this, but did you not know that when Jesus had ascended, the angels talked with the apostles who stood there looking up to the clouds, astonished that Christ had just floated up to the heavens. The angel(s) said to them in some form or another “why do you stand there like morons? Do you not know that the same Christ which just ascended will come back down someday as He said He would just the same?”. In other words, Christ will not have changed, once again I claim Jesus will not come as a Korean man. He did not have a Korean body on this earth in the past, He will not when He returns.
By: Pierce on August 22, 2011
at 10:14 pm
2nd Coming and Last Coming
The Bible prophesies that Jesus will come on a cloud, for a second time, in order to restore the lost truth and to lead the children of God into the kingdom of heaven. When Jesus came two thousand years ago, He fulfilled the prophecy of the book of Daniel by “coming with the clouds of heaven” (Dan. 7:13-14). Actually, Jesus came as a man, in the flesh. Jesus is prophesied to come a second time on the clouds of heaven, meaning that He will come as a man, in the flesh, again.
Ahnsahnghong, the Second Coming Christ, has come in the flesh, fulfilling the prophecies of the Bible. When Jesus ascended into heaven, the angels asked the people, “Why do you stand here looking at the sky?” The members of the Church of God are not looking up into the sky, and are not waiting for the second coming of Jesus. We have already received the Second Coming Christ, Ahnsahnghong, who has come in the flesh according to the prophecies of the Bible. The Church eagerly preaches to the people who are still looking up at the clouds of the sky, informing them that their Savior, Christ, has already come.
We truly wish that all of the readers will open their hearts, will study the words of truth, and will receive the Second Coming Christ, Ahnsahnghong, who guides us to salvation.
Luke 21:27-28 『”At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”』
The Son of Man Will Come in a Cloud
At first, we need to carefully study Jesus’ first coming, because He was also prophesied to come in a cloud. If this prophecy meant that He would come in a physical cloud of the sky, the people who do not believe will fall into destruction. But if this prophecy meant that He would come in the flesh-and not on an actual cloud-then those who insist on His coming on a physical cloud of the sky will be destroyed.
When Jesus came for the first time, 2,000 years ago, the Pharisees were aware that Elijah would come before the Messiah (Matt. 17:10-13; cf. Matt. 11:14). Elijah had gone up to heaven in a whirlwind, riding a chariot of fire (2 Kin. 2:11), so the priests, the teachers of the law and the Pharisees, all believed that the Elijah to come would also come down from heaven in a chariot of fire-the same way that he had gone up to heaven. Because of their incorrect beliefs, they failed to receive Elijah-John the Baptist?and persecuted him; thus, they were all destroyed. While they eagerly looked forward to Elijah’s coming in a chariot of fire, Elijah-John-had already been born, as a child, through the body of Elizabeth (Luke 1:57-66).
All of the evildoers who had waited for Elijah’s coming in a chariot of fire were destroyed. This is God’s warning to us. In the last days, the people who believe that Jesus will come in a physical cloud of the sky will be destroyed.
We should be careful not to follow the Pharisees’ example, and make every effort to study the prophecies of Jesus’ coming in a cloud. The Bible says, “When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near,” and, “He will send his angels…and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”
Most Christians assume that when Jesus comes in a cloud, as the Judge, the earth will be destroyed and the “saved” will be caught in the air to meet Jesus. The Bible says, however, that “when these things begin to take place [when the Son of Man comes in a cloud], stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” The Bible also says that when Jesus comes in a cloud He will gather His elect from the four winds.
In other words, the purpose of Jesus’ coming in a cloud for a second time is not to destroy the earth, but to gather the elect. In order to be recognized as the elect, we must receive the Second Coming Christ who comes in a cloud.
“Cloud” Means “Flesh”
We need to know the correct interpretation of the “cloud.” If the prophecy refers to a cloud of the sky, where would Jesus stay until He came in a cloud? A cloud is visible water vapor, floating above the earth. It accumulates in the air and comes down as rain or snow; this is the cycle of a cloud. Then, where would Jesus stay until He came in a cloud? Let’s find out the symbolic meaning of the cloud, through the Bible.
Heb. 12:1 『Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses…』
Jude 1:12 『These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm-shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind…』
In the above expressions-”a great cloud of witnesses,” and, “clouds without rain, blown along by the wind”-the clouds represent people, wearing the flesh. Since the Bible calls false prophets “clouds without rain,” whom do “clouds with rain” represent? Those “with rain” are the true prophets, aren’t they?
The water within the clouds represents the water of life.
Zech. 14:8 『On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea…』
And Jesus said:
John 7:37-39 『On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.” By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.』
And the Apostle Peter said:
2 Pet. 2:17 『These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm.』
“Springs without water” and “mists driven by a storm” indicate false Christians. As you know, “mists” are “clouds without rain” (Jude 1:12). The waters that have not been vaporized represent all human beings, everyone in the flesh.
Rev. 17:15 『The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.』
Since the waters represent “peoples,” whom do the clouds stand for? Clouds are suspended in the air, visible collections of water particles that have been vaporized by solar heat. Thus, clouds represent the people who have been born again through the Holy Spirit. Jesus’ coming in a cloud means His coming in the flesh.
Jesus, Who Came With the Clouds
In a vision, the prophet Daniel saw the Son of Man coming with the clouds, and he prophesied:
Dan. 7:13-14 『In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.』
Jesus did not come on the visible clouds of heaven. Instead, He was born as a baby through the body of Mary. Some argue that the above prophecy is concerning Jesus’ second coming. Daniel’s prophecy is speaking of Jesus’ first coming, undoubtedly, because the prophecy states, “He was given authority, glory and sovereign power [a kingdom, KJV]; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him.” Matthew and Luke disclosed that, in His first coming, Jesus had been given all authority, in heaven and on earth, as well as a kingdom.
Matt. 28:18 『Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”』
Luke 22:29 『”And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,”』
The Bible prophesied that Jesus’ first coming would be with the clouds, and yet He came in the flesh. Therefore, the prophecy of His second coming, in a cloud, also reveals that He will secretly come in the flesh, doesn’t it? There is an undeniable prophecy: “I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matt. 24:34-35).
Then, how long will “this generation” be? Almost two thousand years have passed since Jesus spoke these words. Has the generation not yet passed? In regard to one generation, the Bible says:
Ps. 90:10 『The length of our days is seventy years-or eighty, if we have the strength…』
Therefore “this generation” can only be interpreted as the time period within which the Son of Man comes in a cloud for the second time and gathers His elect from all sides.
The Last Judgment Will Be When Jesus Comes With Fire
When Jesus comes as the Last Judge, He is to come with fire, not on a cloud. The prophet Isaiah testified that on the last day Jesus would come with fire. As it is written:
Isa. 66:15-16 『See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment upon all men and many will be those slain by the LORD.』
And the Apostle Paul wrote:
2 Thess. 1:7-8 『This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.』
Heb. 12:29 『…for our “God is a consuming fire.”』
Matt. 24:30 『They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.』
Luke 17:22 『…”The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it.”』
In other words, we will be able to see Jesus when He comes in a cloud, but we will not see Jesus when He comes with fire. Jesus also said that He wouldn’t find faith on the earth when He came on a cloud for the second time.
Luke 18:8 『”However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”』
If there is no one who has faith at the time Jesus comes, who can be saved? The Bible says:
Matt. 24:31 『”And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”』
In accordance with the prophecies of Jesus’ coming in a cloud, again, to gather His elect from the four winds, Jesus has come for a second time and is presently gathering His elect from the four winds. The one who has fulfilled all of these prophecies is Christ Ahnsahnghong.
We truly hope that you will be able to recognize the Second Coming Christ, Ahnsahnghong, through studying the prophecies of the Bible so that you may receive salvation.
By: Bell on August 23, 2011
at 11:52 am
SECOND COMING
The WMSCOG and Moonies use Biblical terms to refer to the Second Coming, but have changed their meanings. They deny that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, will return, but say that God will send another man as the “third Adam.” They deny that the “Christ” will come in the clouds, but instead that he will be born just as Jesus was in the First Advent. The moonies teach that the Kingdom of God on earth and in heaven will be established by the “third Adam” through marriage. The bottom line is that they believe that Moon is this “third Adam” and that he has begun to establish God’s kingdom — “He [God] is living in me. I am the incarnation of Himself.”[Moon says that Jesus failed at the First Coming, but he (Moon) will not!
By the year 2000, Moon claimed, the Messiah would be revealed (cf. Duet. 18:22). Therefore, Moon does not want us to think of the Second Coming in terms of a literal interpretation of Scripture, which states that Jesus will come in the clouds with great glory. Moon insists that the second messiah will be a Korean man born of the flesh — and those who do not accept him will face God’s wrath.
Do you see any difference between both the cult beliefs? They are the same.
As a matter of fact the great event of Jesus’ return in glory did not occur with Ahnsahnghong’s second coming and neither does any scripture proves that he would have to die once again some of brain hemorrhage.
Both Jesus, and his apostles who wrote the New Testament, have given us the promise of Jesus’ second coming in glory and not in secret
Matthew 24:3 Now while he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what is the sign of your coming and the end of the world?”
Matthew 24:27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matthew 24:37 For just as the days of Noah were, so in this manner will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of Man shall come in his glory and all the angels
with him, then he will sit on his throne of glory.
For further study of this promise that Jesus gave us, see also Mark 13:26; Luke 9:26; 12:40; 18:8; 21:27,36.
Bell why do you ignore this following scripture from the Bible
Acts 1:11 . . . they also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This same Jesus, (NOT A KOREAN ONE) who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way you saw him go into heaven.”
1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
1 Thessalonians 2:19 For who is our hope or joy or crown of glorying? Is it not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus at his coming?
Hebrews 9:28 . . . so also Christ, who was offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear for a second time (NOT THIRD TIME) apart from sin to those who eagerly await him for salvation.
Based on the number of such passages, it is evident that the second coming of Jesus was a lively expectation (NOT A SECRET ONE ) within the early apostolic church. That lively expectation gave the early Christians a blessed hope, a confidence, in Jesus’ coming in glory to bring them their eternal salvation.
Titus 2:13 . . . while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, . . .
As you read Matthew 24:3, 14, 29, 30 below, note that the disciples asked what
the sign of Jesus’ coming would be and of the end of the world. Note, too, that Jesus answered by giving them the signs of his coming in verses 4 to 14 and then saying the end would come. His coming in glory would be in connection with the destruction of this world.
Matthew 24:3 Now while he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what is the sign of your coming and the end of the world?”
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole inhabited earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 24: 29 Now immediately after the tribulation of those days, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL FROM HEAVEN, AND THE POWERS OF THE HEAVENS WILL BE SHAKEN.
Matthew 24:30 And at that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the nations of the earth will mourn. And they will see the SON OF MAN COMING UPON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
you read 1 Corinthians 15:22-24, note that Jesus will come in connection with his raising his believers from the dead, at which time the end will come.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in his own order; Christ the first-fruits, afterwards those who are Christ’s at his coming,
1 Corinthians 15:24 then the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God and the Father, when he has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
There are different classifications of signs which point to Jesus’ coming.
So why did Ahnsahnghong come in secret???? And then all of a sudden the WMSCOG begins to believe in mother Jerusalem This is how it goes….
The first classification of signs is the signs within the church on earth. Those signs are:
1. The coming of false Christs, false prophets and teachers, who are little antichrists,
Matthew 24:4 And answering, Jesus said to them, “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets will arise and will deceive many.
2… The rise of false religions and churches and sects
Matthew 24:4 And answering, Jesus said to them, “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets will arise and will deceive many
The rise of false teachings and doctrines which come from demons
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, following deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Timothy 4:2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, who have been seared in their own conscience with a red hot branding iron,
1 Timothy 4:3 who forbid people to marry and command them to abstain from food which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
The Great Antichrist: All false prophets and teachers whose teachings conflict with Christ and his pure gospel are little antichrists. They put themselves and their teachings in place of Christ. There is one Great Antichrist, however, whose coming 1 John 2:18 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 spoke of. The presence of these antichrists tell us we are in the last hour leading up to Christ’s second coming in glory.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
But the Korean spirit you WMSCOG believe that came in secret in the flesh is not from God. For God would have not let him be born in a Buddhist family and join the SDA cult, break the commandments LOL
As for the third coming of this Korean Jesus it will be this…
2 Thessalonians 2:9 namely, the one who’s coming is in accordance with the working of Satan in all power and signs and lying wonders
2 Thessalonians 2:10 and with all deception of wickedness to those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they would be saved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God sends them a deluding influence, so they believe the lie,
2 Thessalonians 2:12 in order that all who did not believe the truth but delighted in the wickedness may be condemned
I truly hope that through the proper studying of the Bible you will be able to recognize this Second Coming Korean Christ, Ahnsahnghong or Mother Jerusalem will show you that these false God can offer you no salvation nor give you water of life.
“If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit” (Mat. 15:14 )
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Pet. 5:8).
You must visit this site.http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/. It has valuable information and the true spirit of Jesus Christ works in these people who out there are doing a good job to save your soul who are trapped in this WMSCOG cult
Remember this is something Satan does not want you to know or understand. Satan wants Mankind to remain in Total ignorance of false christ coming and is very pleased with anyone’s acceptance of them blindly.
By: stella on August 23, 2011
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Many people think that Second coming Christ is coming in the cloud on the judgement day.
But we have to understand about it through the bible.
Let’s see .
(Mt24:3) As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. .. ” .. what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? ”
Jesus’ disciples asked to Jesus about the sign of Christ’s coming and the end of the age.
Then think about it . How many question did they ask to him ? Two !
Then how many answer should they receive ? Two !
Let’s see.
(2The1:6) …. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power.
As you see God is coming how ? ( in fire )
What is purpose for him to come ? ( To punish those who do not know God and do not ovey the gospel )
With what ? ( everlasting destruction )
Then in that time how many people will be affected ?
(Isa66:15) See, the LORD is coming with fire, …. for with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment upon all men and many will be those slain by the LORD.
All men will be punished when God is coming with fire.
But let’s see another verse.
(Mt24:30) At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky … They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from on end of the heavens to the other.
So through this verse God is coming how ? ( on the clouds )
what is purpose ? ( to gather his elect )
Then why god is gathering his elect ?
(Nk21:27) At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. … because your redemption is drawing near.
So why he is gathering his elect ? for their redemption which is salvation.
Then do you think this event can be same ?
Think about it ! the cloud is mess of what ? the water.
Then you think fire and water can exist same time ? No way ! Too much fire dry out the water . Too much water put out a fire. They can not exist !
What about purpose ? Salvation and destruction are same ? No way !!
Then we can understand this two events is totally diffrent.
Then which event should take place first ?
Does it make sence God comes to destory everything with fire and comes again to give salvation.
It doesn’t make sence !
That means God should come on the cloud for our salvation first and then come again in the fire to punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel.
Then If you do not know about Second coming Christ who comes on the cloud , you will be punished on judgemnet day .
So we have to understand about God who is coming in the cloud.
Then what does cloud mean ? You think this cloud is actual cloud ?
Think abou it ! If God comes in actual cloud , who would not believe in him. Everybody would believe in him.
Then who will be punished in the last day ?
Meaning this cloud does not mean actual cloud.
When Jesus chirst spoke to disciples what did he use ? Parable .
So the cloud is also parable.
If you see the bible (Heb12:1 , Pro25:14, Ju1:12) , we can understand it represent man.
That means Second coming Christ should come how ? (As a man , In the flesh ! )
Actually through First coming Christ we can understand cloud represent man.
(Dan7:13) In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. … He was given authority, glory and sovereign power …
The man who is in Daniel’s vision was coming with the clouds of heaven.
So if we know who the man is , we can understand what the clouds represent.
Then who is the man who receive authority , glory and kingdom.
If you see the bible (Mt28:18, Jn17:10, Nk22:29) the man is Jesus christ who came 2000years ago.
But think about it ! Did he come on actual clouds? No.
How he came ? Which form ? ( In the flesh )
But at that time 2000 years ago did they understand about it ? No.
They thought God is coming in actual clouds. So they were waiting God almighy looking at the sky.
And when God came to this earth according to the prophecy , they couldn’t believe in him.
(Jn6:42) They said, ” Is this not Jesus, the Son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know ? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’ ?”
Only they saw Jesus Christ physically. Because of that they rejected him who is God almighty.
Do you think now they are in kingdom of heaven ? No !
But same bible prophesies about that Second coming christ is coming in clouds which is flesh.
(Ecc11:4) Whoever watches the wind will not plant; whoever looks at the clouds will not reap.
If you are waiting Second coming Chirst looking at the sky you will not accept him. That means you can not receive salvation.
Let’s believe Second coming Christ who comes in the flesh as man just like one of us.
and Let’s receive the salvation from Him
2ND COMING – CLOUDS(FLESH) TO GATHER THE ELECT BEFORE JUDGEMENT
Mt. 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will GATHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
LAST COMING – FIRE TO EXECUTE JUDGEMENT
Isa 66:15 See, the LORD is COMING WITH FIRE,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 FOR WITH FIRE and with his sword
the LORD WILL EXECUTE JUDGMENT upon all men,
and many will be those slain by the LORD.
2 Thess. 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the LORD JESUS IS REVEALED from heaven in BLAZING FIRE with his powerful angels. 8 HE WILL PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD AND DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
By: Bell on August 23, 2011
at 10:59 pm
Bell – of course it’s a real cloud. If you will notice, it says from the “clouds from the sky”.. Unless you can come up with some sort of symbol for sky, I don’t see any reason for sky to be in the wording of the text if cloud represents groups of people. Besides, where else in the Bible is the word “cloud” used to represent a cloud of people? Not to mention, people don’t live in the “sky”.. and “sky” never meant the world or anything else. I would reckon COG has deceived people into believing it’s a symbol of such things, as well as the rest of the doctrine.
Bell, do you look into the Greek and Hebrew meanings of such English/Korean words? You know that there are different words with different synonyms, antonyms, and different words are used to emphasize or de-emphasize. I could describe some giant box as being big, large, gigantic, or any other word.. it all depends on my context. Look at the many options the original Greek/Hebrew language was written, search for scriptural reference guides then you’ll know which words were used in which situation.
Also, you say that if Christ truly came from the clouds, then of course they would believe… well, Bell.. not necessarily. Read the Bible. Read the gospels.. one of them, I forget which, but one of them claims Christ did many more things than was written in the gospel, and that if those things were indeed recorded into books, the earth couldn’t fit them all. Christ healed crippled people, lepers.. on the spot. He raised people from the dead. He turned the tables of Jewish society. He did many many many things, and yet even the disciples lost faith at first when He died on the cross, forgetting that He could indeed raise Himself back to life. It’s not miracles that make us believe.. we forget those only a moment later. It’s the dawning of the Spirit in our hearts that attracts us to God.
By: Pierce on August 24, 2011
at 4:26 am
Every word in the Bible contains the precious will of God, which He wants us to know for our salvation. Now, the Bible has been translated into over 2,000 languages, and it is the best-selling and the most widely distributed book in the world today. However, most people, even though they read the Bible, do not realize the hidden meaning of the words of every prophecy in the Bible.
Every language has its own characteristics, so it is not easy to fully understand the nuances of a language except for its native people. Likewise, the language of the kingdom of God is hard to understand; it can only be understood by the people of God. We, God’s people, know well what the Spirit and the Bride mean by saying, “Come!” We understand when, where and why to go to Them, but the people who do not belong to God will never be able to know.
Among many words in the Bible, let’s find out the implied meaning of the words, “Seek David in the last days.”
Prophecies about David
Hos 3:4-5 『For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings in the last days.』
Prophet Hosea testifies that what God’s people must do in the last days is to seek David. It’s because there is something very important that cannot be solved without seeking David. Through the prophets of the Old Testament, God repeatedly testifies about David who will appear in the last days.
Eze 34:11-24 『 ” ‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them. As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness. . . . As for you, my flock, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will judge between one sheep and another, and between rams and goats. . . . I will save my flock, and they will no longer be plundered. I will judge between one sheep and another. I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd. I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the Lord have spoken.’ “』
The book of Ezekiel was written about 450 years after the death of David, the king of Israel. In other words, the prophecy, “I [God] will become a Shepherd and search for my lambs,” and the prophecy, “I will place over them one Shepherd, my servant David,” are about the spiritual David, not the physical David. These prophecies imply that God will come in the name of David in the last days. Prophet Ezekiel repeatedly prophesied about David.
Eze 37:24-27 『” ‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant . . . I will be their God, and they will be my people.’ “』
God said that His people would keep His laws and decrees in the reign of David. Every prophecy of God is to be fulfilled without fail. We, who look for salvation, should realize when and why the spiritual David comes and what He brings, and we must receive David our Shepherd as His sheep.
Only those who receive David can become God’s people, and only the people of God can be saved and go to heaven. Therefore we must seek David.
Jesus who came in the name of David
If we do not meet David coming in the last days, we are not able to know the secret of life that God has opened, and we will fail to find the way to salvation and eternal life that only God knows.
Rev 5:1-5 『Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”』
The Bible testifies that no one can reveal the secrets of God to us except the Root of DavidChrist who comes in the name of David. If the secrets remain sealed forever, how can we know the way to eternal life and the kingdom of heaven Nowadays, most bookstores have many Bible commentaries, which the interpreters have written with their private opinions. However, no matter how many times they read the Bible, none of them can know the will of God with their own wisdom. It is only the Root of David who is able to reveal to us the secrets of the Bible. That’s why the Bible testifies that whoever longs for eternal life and salvation must seek David in the last days.
In order to receive David, we should first know who the prophetical David is and how we can meet Him.
Isa 9:6-7 『For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.』
The above prophecy about Christ was written by the prophet Isaiah 700 years before Jesus came to this earth. As Isaiah prophesied, “He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, with justice and righteousness,” Jesus came as David.
Lk 1:30-33 『”You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus . . . The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”』
Since it is written that God will give Jesus the throne of His father David, we need to carefully study the relationship between David and Jesus. If the prophecy about David was completely fulfilled by Jesus 2,000 years ago, we would not have to study about this prophecy today. However, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel, David is to appear on a day of clouds and darknessin the last daysto lead His people, represented by the sheep, as their Shepherd.
Prophetical relationship between David and Jesus
It is certain that there is a prophetical relationship between David and Jesus; through the work of David, we can easily understand that of Jesus. First, let’s find out what prophetical relationship there is between the period of King David’s reign and the period of Jesus’ ministry on earth.
2 Sa 5:3-4 『they anointed David king over Israel. David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years.』
It is written that David was anointed and became king when he was 30 years and he reigned for 40 years. Let’s see how Jesus, who is the prophetical David, fulfilled this prophecy.
Lk 3: 21-23 『When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying . . . a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. . . .』
As David was anointed at the age of 30 and began to reign, so Jesus was spiritually anointed through baptism at the age of 30 and began to preach. Here, we need to pay attention to the fact that Jesus did His public ministry for only three years, while David reigned for 40 years. It was because Jesus was to come again to reveal the secrets of the truth which were sealed.
Heb 9:27-28 『Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
Jesus was to come to this earth a second time and be baptized at the age of 30 and preach the gospel for 37 years so that He could fulfill the prophecy about the throne of Davidthe 40 years of reign. Then, what is the sign of the Second Coming David, through which we can recognize Him correctly and receive Him
Isa 55:1-5 『”Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost. . . . Give ear and come to me; hear me, that your soul may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David. See, I have made him a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander of the peoples. . . .”』
Heb 13:20-21 『May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good . . .』
God said that an everlasting covenant was promised to David who would lead us to the kingdom of heaven as our leader and commander. The writer of the book of Hebrews testified of “the blood of the eternal covenant,” which is the blood of the new covenantthe Passover. In other words, the everlasting covenant, God’s faithful love promised to David, means the new covenant. So, Christ is to bring the new covenant when He comes in the name of David in the last days.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the spiritual David, who has come a second time and restored the new covenant
Today, there are many people who claim, “I am David prophesied in the Bible.” Among them, is there anyone who has led us to eternal life through the new covenant, revealed the hidden secrets of the Bible, taught us the reality of God Elohim and the existence of God the Mother, and restored the seven feasts in three times so that we can observe all the laws and decrees of God Who, then, did so It is Christ Ahnsahnghong who has led the mortal human beings to the way of life through the eternal covenant. He is David who has appeared in the last days according to the prophecies of the Bible, and He is the Second Coming Jesus.
Eternal life is a free gift from God. We should share this grace and blessing, which we have freely received from God, with all people around the world, so that they can correctly recognize and receive God, who has come to this earth in the name of David in order to save us, as the leader and commander of peoples.
Hos 6:3-6 『Let us acknowledge the Lord; let us press on to acknowledge him. . . . For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.』
Without knowing the Second Coming David in this age, we cannot receive salvation that God has promised us. Christ Ahnsahnghong fulfilled the prophecies of the throne of David; He was baptized in 1948 when he was 30 years old, preached the gospel for 37 years and ascended to heaven in 1985 after completing His ministry. Even though He was extremely distressed and troubled during His 37-year ministry on this earth, He always gave us good things, opened the way to eternal life by restoring all the truths of the new covenant, and let us know the new Jerusalem, our heavenly Mother, who is the source of life.
We give all thanks to our heavenly Father and Mother for leading the gospel work for us with patience and sacrifice, walking the paths of suffering. No matter what people say against our heavenly Father and Mother, They are our eternal God, worthy to receive glory and praise forever and ever!
We are very happy and proud to be children of God Elohim, our heavenly Father and Mother. Let us all devote ourselves to finding our brothers and sisters who are scattered all around the world, always giving thanks and praise to God Elohim for Their grace and love, as Their faithful children.
By: Bell on August 24, 2011
at 8:22 am
1 John 2:19 “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
This, dearest Bell and all other COG followers, is the status you are in. The World Mission Society Church of God, the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witness, and many other cults are in this kind of state.
I say this, because there was no Christ Ahn Sang-Hong nor Zhang Gil-Jah or any WMSCOG when John wrote the book of 1 John.. there was just the early church. The Holy Spirit was not in any physical form, only a Spirit.
All cults started out within the church. All cults originated from some form of biblical truth, following the Bible correctly. And then, some religious leader down the line decided to change things. He or she was a popular person, having much charm and intellect, and enough skill to craft new ideas out of what was already written.
This is how all cults start. The WMSCOG has twisted biblical truth and sound doctrine to such an extent that it seems true although it’s not. Ahn Sang-Hong never claimed to be Christ – his followers said he was. He probably didn’t mind it, because he did have some bizarre doctrinal ideas.
Having said that, I would suggest we stop peppering our discussions with deceit and search for truth.
Does Zhang Gil-Jah cure cancer?
What miracles does she do?
Has she raised the dead?
If she is truly God in the flesh on this earth, why do I not see her on TV preaching?
Why do I not have invitations to see her except by a kind looking man walking on the street proselytizing?
Why can I not chat with her on the internet person to person?
Why can’t I call her up on the phone?
Why can’t I set up an appointment to talk with her in private?
What does she fear?
Why does she remain in Korea and not visit me in America?
Why does she send out people into the world to proselytize instead of going out herself?
If you can answer at least one of these with a logical statement, I’d appreciate it. And I’m not saying this as a “Pharisee” seeking to destroy someone’s rep out of pride – I’m saying it because I don’t see truth in the COG. I see deceit. You could say she doesn’t need to perform miracles because God doesn’t have to prove to us Himself. That’s true – but Jesus DID do miracles. I would assume if the heavenly mother is God also, then she can also do miracles and would out of mercy on her children… and if you say she has cured cancer or disease, or raised the dead, then please give me some sources of proof, or a biblical response of some sort.
By: Pierce on August 24, 2011
at 8:37 am
We are trying to glorify God by preaching the gospel to save our lost Brothers and Sisters; and with good deeds we bring glory to Him. This is for our own good after all. Mother says that if we give glory to God, the glory returns to us.
To the people of God, one of the most important virtues is to display God’s glory. Many of the prophecies in the Bible tell us that we are created for the glory of God. Through the Bible, let’s find wisdom to know how we can bring the greatest glory to God.
Our life is a pilgrimage toward our home
A father and his son were making a journey on foot together. Picturesque and beautiful sights along the way pleased the eyes of the travelers tired from their long journey.
The son was captivated by the scenic beauty of the spot and begged his father to pitch their tent and live there. At his earnest request, the father decided to camp there for a few days. His son became so excited; he pitched the tent and also built a fence around it. His father said to him:
“Son, you don’t need to put yourself here. After only a couple of days we must leave here and go back home. Do not be so captivated by this place.”
However, the son paid no attention to what his father said. He fenced the place with solid woods and planted flowers. It seemed as if he would live there forever.
Like the father and son in the above story, we are travelers on life’s journey. Our journey will end in heaven, our eternal home.
Our Father reminds us of our heavenly home through His words. But sometimes we forget our everlasting kingdom. Like the son who was captivated by the scenery and wanted to make a house and a beautiful garden and live there, we sometimes set our hearts on earthly things rather than on the kingdom of God that is coming, not listening attentively to our Father’s voice, “Let’s hurry home.”
Of course, we cannot totally disregard our earthly life, though transient.
However we must not forget the kingdom of heaven―our journey’s destination.
Now, let’s look into ourselves: Do we live a life of forcefully laying hold of the kingdom of heaven, our destination? Do we not put our hope in earthly things rather than in heaven?
Those created for the glory of God
As travelers on the journey toward heaven, we must display God’s glory to reach our destination of heaven, because we are created for His glory.
Isa 43:1-7 『“ . . . ‘Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth―everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.’ . . . ”』
Isa 60:21-22 『“Then will all your people be righteous and they will possess the land forever. They are the shoot I have planted, the work of my hands, for the display of my splendor. The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation. I am the LORD; in its time I will do this swiftly.”』
The prophet Isaiah states that God’s people exist to display His glory. And he foretells that when God’s children fully reveal His glory, the least of them will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation.
We are created for God’s glory. Then, how can we display His glory? Let’s take a look at biblical history.
God’s glory is revealed through obedience
2 Ki 5:1-14 『Now Naaman was commander of the army of the king of Aram . . . He was a valiant soldier, but he had leprosy. Now bands from Aram had gone out and had taken captive a young girl from Israel, and she served Naaman’s wife. She said to her mistress, “If only my master would see the prophet who is in Samaria! He would cure him of his leprosy.” . . . So Naaman went with his horses and chariots and stopped at the door of Elisha’s house. Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, “Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed.” But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? . . . ” Naaman’s servants went to him and said, “My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, ‘Wash and be cleansed’!” So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy.』
In the past, leprosy was known as an incurable disease, and it was called “divine punishment.” Naaman, the commander of Aram’s army, suffered from this dreadful disease, and he visited a prophet of Israel named Elisha for some advice. However Elisha, inspired by God, didn’t come out to meet Naaman who was the great commander of a nation’s army, and he just sent a messenger to him, saying, “Go and wash in the Jordan seven times, and you will be cured.”
Naaman, who had expected the prophet to conduct a special ceremony for healing, became furious. If he had let himself be carried away by his emotions and disobeyed God’s word to the end, he would not have experienced God’s glory and power.
He became angry when he put his feelings ahead of God’s word. But when he obeyed His word, persuaded by his servants, he was completely cured of his leprosy. Then he realized the existence and power of God and gave glory to Him.
Thus, God’s great glory reveals when we obey His word in faith. Like in the case of Naaman, our obedience to God results in bringing not only God’s glory to the world but also blessing and happiness to us.
Obedience brings victory
The Bible repeatedly mentions examples of those who displayed God’s glory through obedience. Joshua 6 describes the fall of Jericho. Joshua and the Israelites obeyed God’s word and marched against Jericho after he
circumcised them and celebrated the Passover.
Jos 6:1-5 『Now Jericho was tightly shut up because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in. Then the LORD said to Joshua, “See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men. March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days. Have seven priests carry trumpets of rams’ horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets. When you hear them sound a long blast on the trumpets, have all the people give a loud shout; then the wall of the city will collapse and the people will go up, every man straight in.”』
Jos 6:15-20 『On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times. The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the people, “Shout! For the LORD has given you the city! . . . ” When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpets, when the people gave a loud shot, the wall collapsed . . . 』
Jericho was an impregnable fortress; its inhabitants were so great and tall that the Israelites felt like grasshoppers compared to them. By the power of God, however, the wall of Jericho instantly fell down.
What brought such a display of God’s glory upon the whole world? It was the faith and obedience of Joshua and the Israelites.
So was Gideon. When God commanded him to fight against 135,000 men with only 300, he obeyed Him. If he had thought it was impossible and disobeyed God, he would have had an unfavorable result. However, he obeyed and God worked a great wonder to him and revealed His glory; He caused their Midianite enemies to turn against each other with their swords.
All this was a result of his faith and obedience.
Thus, the Bible shows that when God’s people obeyed His word and willingly put it into action, His miraculous power always worked and He was glorified in them.
Christ gave an example of obedience
Jesus Christ glorified God greatly by destroying the power of the devil and delivering mankind from slavery to sin and death. Let us see how He accomplished this great work and glorified God.
Php 2:5-11 『Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.』
According to the Trinity, Jesus is in very nature God. However, He became obedient to death, so that we might follow His example of displaying God’s glory. The Bible describes that Jesus was given the name above every name.
Even God, who came in the flesh, became “obedient to death” and fulfilled all things through His perfect obedience, that He glorified God and Himself as well. Obedience is the best way to glorify God.
The 144,000 live in obedience
Who are described as the most obedient people following Christ’s example in the Bible? Apostle John described the 144,000, who are to appear in the last days, as the most obedient people. He wrote, “They follow the Lamb wherever he goes” (Rev 14:1-5).
They gladly follow God’s will without complaining. In faith they are willing to follow God wherever He leads them―whether into the wilderness or through a thorny path. Since they have such complete obedience, Isaiah 60 describes them as the ones to display God’s splendor.
Without obedience, we can never experience God’s glory. Joshua and the Israelites obeyed God’s word, so that they could witness the miraculous fall of the wall of Jericho. They were just obedient to God’s word, and it brought glory to God.
The Bible says that the 144,000, who are to appear at the end of the 6,000 years, follow the Lamb wherever He goes. And it is prophesied that through them the light of God’s glory will shine in the whole world.
Have faithful obedience to God’s word
The Biblical history shows that faithful obedience always resulted in a display of God’s glory, while disobedience brought an unfavorable outcome.
King Saul is an example of disobedience; he did not obey God’s word but went his own way, that he was rejected by God. Here God gives us this instruction: “To obey is better than sacrifice.”
1 Sa 15:22-23 『But Samuel replied: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.”』
Seeing the above passages, we need to examine how fully we obey God’s word. It is our task to display God’s glory by obedience in our journey toward heaven. The Apostle Peter set a good example of obedience for us.
He was a fisherman. When he fished all night but caught nothing, Jesus told him to go into deep water and let down his nets. Depending on Jesus’ word, Peter let down the nets and he was astonished at the catch of fish that filled the nets. Through his beautiful obedience from faith, he displayed God’s splendor. Finally he received Christ and became one of the twelve apostles as a “fisher of men” (Lk 5:1-11).
Peter obeyed God, depending upon His word, which resulted in the display of God’s miraculous power and glory and also brought a favorable outcome.
Like Peter, let us have faith and obey everything God taught us, saying, “I will do that, depending on Your word,” so that we may display God’s glory to the whole world as the children of heaven.
Wouldn’t it be better to follow Peter’s example rather than Naaman’s? Peter immediately obeyed God at His word, but Naaman didn’t; he felt insulted and became angry at first because he had his own ideas of how he could be cured. God is ready to punish every act of disobedience, when our obedience is complete (2 Co 10:6).
God is most glorified in us when we gladly follow Him wherever He leads us. Let’s think of all the examples of obedience by Jesus, Apostle Peter, Naaman, Joshua, Gideon, etc. I hope all our family members of Zion will pay more attention to God’s word and completely obey God, as the prophesied 144,000.
By: Bell on August 24, 2011
at 11:55 am
Unfortunately this WMS is a cult. My son was introduced to this crap three years ago, and till today all he talks about is mother and father. He is totally off his rocker and I don’t know how to help him. He has become a religious freak and a fanatics of whatever these damn people have taught him to say. I no longer have a decent conversation with my son, because all he wants to do is convert me. I’m sorry I had enough with the Catholic church and their crap. I now go to church that is less about religion and more about spirituality. Anyways back to my son. He moved to New York and I’m afraid that things and communication have gotten worse. I don’t know who he has become. If this religions is true and honest, what has happen to my son. Do they not teach “Honor thy living mother and father” or have this been replaced by this new belief ( God the mother, God the father). My son encouraged me to read the literature and I did to let him know I was aware of what he was trying to learn. After reading this literature anyone with sound judgement knows this is a cult. I’m afraid that if these people were ever confronted by our government they will take there lives just like these people in Africa did way back.
By: Awilda on August 26, 2011
at 3:51 am
I went to this church for maybe 4 months or so.. i studied majority of the subjects. Some subjects were very believable like the sabbath and commandments but others just seemed like something someone has just made up to suit their own views.. i also think the korean/s who translated the bible have totally misunderstood many verses in the bible.. since when is jesus coming in a cloud = jesus coming in flesh?? and other daft things like claiming we are unclean animals and that we can only be saved and bare good fruit by preaching to non members which i think is complete BS (no where in the bible does it say baring good fruit is bring members into the church): they simply want us to get them more members simply for money and to challenge other churches.. heck i wouldnt surprised if its for immagrants to sneak into other countries preaching the false words.
I like the korean people but there is korean immagrants here in my country and i have no idea how they get to the country and over-stay? they DONT work as far as i know and spend 24/7 in church. Almost like a zombies; they believe life on earth is simply to live as slaves and to wait till death. These people really need to take a break and stop telling people we are going to hell etc.. if anyone tells me im going to hell for not going to COG i simply say its not their decision to make buts Gods and i remind them that people who go to COG dont go to heaven for definate.. its whats inside that counts most. I say this because my COG had many shallow members who were really insecure and tried to bring others down like myself because im a very busy person who is studying at university etc.. people at COG didnt really seem to care about me as a person but pretended and i saw through this.. they would not let me study or revise for university coursework and kept asking me when i finished my work to come again, almost like saying my life was not important but i did not share this view.. and will keep calling/texting me non stop.. its really desperate and off putting aswell (sorry).
Some members of my COG had members seeming really dillusional; i told them about certain members being manipulative, bullys etc.. and YET they defended them as if trying to say COG members are angels? I told them not all people in COG prob go to heaven you know and im talking about the bad ones who attend.. and they disagree with me.. how can they know that? ITS almost like God is there best friend and they know God better than anyone else and they sorta flaunt it by acting like their gods right hand assistant. I told my main friends of COG i appreciated their time for studying with me but i did not believe 100% of what they taught me when they asked why i was leaving.. i simply felt they believed things that didnt even make sense lol. What i did like about COG was that they are generous with serving its members with food and taking them in but this hospitality is somewhat two faced since they either force you to study the bible or get angry at you for visiting but not studying i found. I had to watch the horror of one of COGs members chuck a bible infront of a toddler telling the toddler to read it and this toddler cant even read or just be a child and have fun growing up.
Of course they do USE manipulitive techniques.. i studied ‘pyschology’ and noticed people using such techniques on me.. whether consciously or not i believe some know what they are doing and i didnt like it, one reason i left this Church. THEY aim certain things at individual members during presentations.. they try to make you feel guilty aswell.. like your some pathetic excuse for life on this planet.. im study engineering (building tanks etc) and even this came up a few times, they tell me wow that is awesome and then say something different at other times like.. “we should not be making weapons or things to destroy planet instead we should serve god” OR if you hadnt been to church for a long time “yes you are lacking with bible or recent beaviour of you will disapoint God” etc.. most of which was said indirectly BUT i know first hand when someone uses manipulative techniques and once i felt them coming i got tired of the games. Some of these people put words in your head..
i found them to be very defensive too.. even if i made a good point they would be all defensive and re-read the verse something like “if you cant read/understand bible you are not gods people”.. its almost like YOUR the bad one..
i told my friends (there not really but i respect each person on this planet) at COG when i left some things i didnt believe and they literally chased me home asking what exactly i did not believe.. i told them then they tried numerous times to change my mind and it annoyed me. I told them i do not believe heavenly mother AS god CAN be whatever he wants to be.. why does GOD need a woman god when GOD himself can be man or woman when he wants to be?? surely if GOD made the universe he can make himself woman at any time. GOD is both man and woman, he is both but he is refered to father simply because HE is FATHER, there is no mother in bible.
i think the koreans misread that part in genesis.. MOTHER is another god they made up.. and yet they teach that believing other gods is bad? and the worst is when they told me all other religions are bad and heresy.. A GOOD religion does not CALL out other religions directly and call them BS. This made me feel COG was really ran by SATAN. To some degree i believed the catholic thing but to me it is not provable.
Besides why would GOD make us doo all these things? God is a good person supposdely so why would he want us to grieve on the planet earth and worship him 24/7? think about that.. i will probably get lots of verses thrown at me for this but COG members stop for a moment and stop telling people this is true church because you are NOT god. GOD knows his people and GOD chooses his people.
I believe COG makes simple things into bigger things just to seem believable to their own perception of reality.. even though there is very little evidence if not at all they still believe it..
funny how most of COG members are women? easy.. its because making a woman god is a ploy to make women feel better and superior and feel they have a mother god like them to relate.. they really dont need a woman god.. THINK about it.. common pyschology.. if you tell a woman in there is secretly a mother GOD she is gonna be curious isnt she? YOUR telling her something ‘SHE wants’ to hear.
ITs almost like me going to a kid and going “in heaven there is many sweets, do you want to read bible about this?”.. like i said manipulative techniques.. and yes the person will read it to you till you believe it and if you dont believe it YOUR automatically a demon or outcast to them.
like i said its false advertising in that sense. ive seen countless members on Yahoo answers, the odd forums, youtube etc with people innocently asking “who is heavenly mother?” or “id like to know about church of god?” or “church of god seems interesting, where i learn more?”.. AND these people pretend to be new members or people wanting to know answers WHEN all they are really doing is pasting and advertising their rubbish everywhere.. these people act like they have never studied the subjects before but are actually members pretending not to be members. And when someone gives a reply because they are also a member of COG the original poster is all like “wow i must become member of COG now”.. very false people.
SO my conclusion is COG advertises itself as a church that really is company that just wants more members to become greater. They also tell of catholic churches using gold and marble etc in their churches and this is sign of the devil.. if this is the case WHY does COG try to spend so much money on their churches and decorate them?
As for the rest of my conclusion: COG uses techniques to get you hooked and once hooked they try to keep you by making you fear GOD and the rest.. they try to make you feel guilty.
ONE last thing to tell you.. i once missed a sabbath due to illness and when i returned few days later some guy told me in a patronzing way or talking down to me way “if members tell you to come on worship then it MEANS come on worship”.. there is one example of a bad COG member..
very un-christian..
I believe many members are good people, kind hearted and i made many friends there but i didnt know the word ‘cult’ till i went here.. as for ahn sang hong, honorable man but i dont think he is god..
I let people lead their own life and do what they want as i respect everyone and their views/values etc but anyone who tells me im this or that.. im bad.. im evil.. i need to do this or that to go to heaven when i have been myself (and yes im a kind person).. NO ive heard enough.. i dont let people tell me who i am or how bad a person i am.. i dont like to be near negative influences..
i feel for people who have lost friends and family to this church and i hope someday soon they come back to you. Whenevr i told members of my COG that i had to attend my family or friends they would try to make it seem insignificant like my physical family meant nothing. I even told them i had to go home at specific times but they kept me longer for their own selfish desires knowing too well they were keeping me longer. And yes my mum would get worried sometimes.. i am only 18.
PS: also heavenly mother cant speak every universal language.. so she cant be god. A real god is not afraid to show true colours if she can. Maybe before her passing back to heaven she can talk every language to prove she is who she is.. otherwise i dont buy it.
By: hi on August 26, 2011
at 7:36 am
The recent earthquake in US east coast shook many people into terror.
Now, there are so many disasters everywhere in the world: wars between nations, ethnic conflicts, terrors, famines, earthquakes, and deadly cold or heat or flood caused by changes in weather patterns. Whenever such things occur, people tremble with fear, not knowing who or what they should set their hearts on.
The Bible already prophesied about the coming disasters and what people would do in the day of such disasters.
Am 9:2-9 “Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, … Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, … Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, … ”
As described in the above prophecy, people desperately try to hide themselves anywhere, because they come to face terrible disasters which men cannot endure. The above prophecy is not about what happened in the days of Amos the prophet about 2,800 years ago, but what will occur in the great and dreadful day of the LORD, at the Last Judgment.
Men cannot escape the last plagues by their own methods
Modern people, who live in the age of the high-tech science, feel fear about the coming disasters and the end of mankind, and they try to find various ways to escape from the disasters. They make every effort to find refuge underground or at the bottom of the sea or on a planet outside the earth so that they may escape the threat of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating all life on earth many times over. An atomic submarine for hiding themselves at the bottom of the sea, a spaceship for climbing up to the heavens, … , such various methods are being discussed. According to a press report, America has constructed a large bunker beneath the White House at Mount Weather; and there is said to be ninety-nine underground cities in various places, as a provision for emergency.
However, the Bible clearly says that even by using the modern scientific methods, no one can escape God’s fierce anger. It also says that the last disaster will come upon all the earth, not just upon parts of it.
Lk 21:35 “For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. ”
Isa 24:3-13 “The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. … So will it be on the earth and among the nations, … ”
Now, let’s see how the disaster comes upon every nation all over the world.
2 Pe 3:7-10 “By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. … But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.”
The Bible says that God will use fire for His judgment. So the disaster, which will come upon the whole world, is fire. When the day comes, the heavens will be destroyed by fire and all things will be burnt up and melt in the heat. The day will be a day of distress; even the warriors will tremble with fear and cry out bitterly.
However, God has prepared a way to escape the disaster when such dreadful day comes. He has made the way-the good news of salvation-known to us. We can get it only through the Bible, not through any high-tech equipment developed by scientists.
Passover is the way to escape the disaster
Let’s take a careful look at God’s word of promise to let us escape any disaster.
Ex 12:11-14 “… it is the LORD’s Passover. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn-both men and animals … The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. … ”
At the time of the Exodus, when the plague of destroying every firstborn was brought upon Egypt, no plague befell to the Israeli houses which kept the Passover. In other words, the plague passed over them. Thus, Passover (pascha in Greek, pesach in Hebrew) implies “Plagues pass over.”
Such a history was written as a warning for us. Faithless Israel didn’t believe in the power of the Passover. However, Judah regarded the Passover as important and celebrated it. Through the history of Israel and of Judah, we come to realize how truly important the Passover is.
Hezekiah king of Judah read all the words of the covenant, which had been found in the temple of the LORD when it was being repaired and restored. He realized the covenant of God and sent couriers to all Judah and Israel so that they might celebrate the Passover which had not been kept for a long time. When the couriers delivered the king’s command to “come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover,” Israel scorned and ridiculed them, and several years later it fell to Assyria (2 Ki 18:9-12). However, Judah celebrated the Passover holy and could repulse the attack of powerful Assyria with God’s mighty power (2 Ch 30:1-27; 2 Ki 18:13-19:37).
In these last days, there are two groups of people: one group who will receive terrible plagues, and the other who will escape them with God’s help.
Rev 7:1-4 “After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth … another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. … “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
The only way to escape the last plagues is to receive the seal of God. Then, what is the seal of God? The Bible prophesies that the blood of the Passover lamb will be a sign for God’s people so that they may escape the last plagues. In other words, the blood of the Passover lamb is ‘the seal of God’ through which God’s people can be saved.
At the time of the Exodus, the Israelites could be saved from the terrible plague of destroying every firstborn, by putting the blood of a year-old Passover lamb on their door posts and eating the meat. The Passover lamb of the Old Testament represents Jesus.
1 Co 5:7-8 “… For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival,…
No one can escape the last plagues without ‘the blood of Jesus Christ’ who is the Passover Lamb.
When the angels, who are given power to harm, let go of their hold on the wind [war], the terrible disasters [the last plagues] will come upon this earth (Rev 7:1-3). To make the last plagues pass over His people, God places His ‘seal’ on His children’s foreheads. The ‘seal of God’ is the seal of salvation through which God’s people can escape the disasters.
Eze 9:4-6 “and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it. … Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.”
Whom did God order the destroying angels to begin with? He told them to begin with the elders [leaders] of the false churches, who do not have the mark-the seal of God, the blood of the Passover Lamb-on their foreheads.
Considering the prophecies of the Bible, we are now living in the days of the last plagues. God is awakening us, His children, to the fact that we can escape the plagues only through the ‘seal of God.’ He shows us that His sealing work will arise from the east and spread to the west.
Rev 7:2 “Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God.”
When Apostle John received the revelation on the island of Patmos, he saw an angel ascending from the rising of the sun. This implies that God’s sealing work is to begin in the east.
God seals us as His own children
When we celebrate the Passover, God abides in us, and we in Him (Jn 6:56; 15:4-8). As we dwell in God, we belong to Him.
2 Co 1:21-22 “Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He … set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.”
God has set His seal on us to be marked as ‘His own.’ Let’s see what blessings God gives us, His own.
Isa 43:1-3 “O Jacob, … : “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. … When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. … ”
God has made us His own by putting His seal on us through the Passover. He has firmly promised to protect us from any destructive disasters. God is now calling His children, living in the days of disasters, to celebrate the Passover and escape the last plagues.
Before the angels, who are holding back the four winds, let go of their hold, we should preach the Passover of the new covenant-the seal of God-to the whole world, as the couriers of the good news of salvation.
Brothers and sisters in Zion! Let’s give thanks to God for making us His very own, His treasured possession. We must all take part in God’s salvation work in this age.
By: Bell on August 26, 2011
at 9:18 am
The wmscog teaches that the Roman Catholic Church (the Pope) is the Antichrist. To do this they show how the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the Catholic church supposedly fulfill prophecies in Daniel.
BUT a study of history shows that this is FALSE. They distort the history in order to make the theory fit prophecy.
read here for more details:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/09/pope-is-not-antichrist-summary-of-is.html
(Bell, please read my investigation and let me know what you think. Why does the wmscog try to rewrite history? Or if you think I have something wrong, please say specifically what it is and why.)
By: genny on September 16, 2011
at 12:36 am
I bumped into members of WMSCOG sometime ago and went to their premises near Tai Seng MRT twice. One of the Korean ladies was quite persistent in trying to convince me of their beliefs such as passover, sabbath and etc.
I could not accept their beliefs, being a Christian of protestant faith myself. She wanted to convince me the existence of a woman who is supposedly the heavenly mother. One thing which intrigued me was the expression on her face when I quoted her John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
She shook her head in disapproval.
Maybe the members of WCMCOG who are replying to this thread could explain their interpretation of John 14:6
By: Rebekah on October 7, 2011
at 10:18 pm
Today there is increasing tension in the whole world because of the news about disasters that are occurring in all parts of the earth. Continuous disasters such as earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, abnormal weather phenomena, in addition to wars and conflicts—the Bible already warned of these disasters thousands of years ago. It is not too much to say that those disasters are pouring out all at once in this age—the age of the Holy Spirit which we are now living in.
The reason why God has restored the Passover in this age is to protect His people from disasters. At the time of the Exodus 3,500 years ago, God let the Israelites know about the Passover above all things. It was because a terrible disaster would come upon all the land of Egypt. Whenever a disaster was going to occur, God prepared in advance for His people to celebrate the Passover so that they would receive the sign of being God”s people and escape the disaster.
The Passover contains the promise of salvation
This happened when Joshua sent two spies to Jericho before he conquered it. The two spies were pursued by the soldiers and they entered the house of a prostitute named Rahab who feared God. She hid them even at the risk of her life. When the spies were about to return safely to Joshua, they made a promise to Rahab; they promised that if Rahab brought her family and relatives into her house and tied a scarlet cord in the window, the Israelite army would not destroy anyone in her house when they attacked the city of Jericho. Afterwards, when the city of Jericho was conquered, all the people who had fled into the house of Rahab were able to preserve their lives (Jos 2:1-21; 6:20-25).
Just as the scarlet cord became a sign to save Rahab and her family, the Passover is a sign of God”s promise to protect His people from disasters.
Heb 11:28 『By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.』
Those who do not keep God”s commands insist that the Passover is merely a ceremony and rite, and that it has nothing to do with faith, quoting a verse from the Bible:
“The righteous will live by faith” (Ro 1:17). However, by faith God kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood. The Passover is not just a ritual ceremony, but it is a ceremony established by faith and a feast of God which only those who have faith can keep.
Let”s take a look at the scene when God established the Passover in Exodus, and find out what promise the Passover contains.
Ex 12:5-14 『”The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. . . . This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD”s Passover. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.”』
It is God who established the Passover and told His people to celebrate it. So, the people of Israel who feared God and had faith in Him obeyed His word and kept the Passover. As a result, they were saved from the plagues and became emancipated from Egypt, the land of slavery. However, the Egyptians who had no faith and did not celebrate the Passover failed to escape the plague and lost all their firstborn; there was not a single house where someone had not died (Ex 12:29-51).
God”s warning about disasters
Was the Passover effective for God”s people to escape disasters only in the time of the Exodus, and did it lose its effect after the Exodus? Not at all. The Passover is the covenant of God, which must be celebrated as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, even until the end of the age. The Bible clearly records the history of God”s people being saved from disasters by celebrating the Passover (2 Ch 30:1-27; 2 Ki 19:32-35).
In Old Testament times, the Israelites put the blood of the Passover lambs on the sides and tops of the doorframes of their houses, as a sign of God”s people. Now, we have the flesh and blood of the Passover in ourselves, so that disasters will pass over each and every one of us. The Passover contains the promise of God: “No destructive plague will touch you.” This promise proves more effective and powerful in an age when disasters are prevalent.
Eze 7:2-19 『”. . . This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Disaster! An unheard-of disaster is coming. The end has come! The end has come! It has roused itself against you. It has come! Doom has come upon you—you who dwell in the land. The time has come, the day is near; there is panic, not joy, upon the mountains. I am about to pour out my wrath on you and spend my anger against you; I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices. I will not look on you with pity or spare you; I will repay you in accordance with your conduct and the detestable practices among you. Then you will know that it is I the LORD who strikes the blow. . . . Their silver and gold will not be able to save them in the day of the LORD”s wrath. They will not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it, for it has made them stumble into sin.”』
God warned that an unheard-of disaster would come upon mankind. As the Bible prophesied, unheard-of disasters have been rampant recently. Experiencing unprecedented great earthquakes and abnormal climate changes, people say, “It”s the worst disaster in a hundred years,” or, “This is a once-in-a-thousand-years disaster.” This shows that today”s disasters are “unheard-of disasters.”
Eze 7:25-27 『”. . . Calamity upon calamity will come, and rumor upon rumor. They will try to get a vision from the prophet; the teaching of the law by the priest will be lost, as will the counsel of the elders. The king will mourn, the prince will be clothed with despair, and the hands of the people of the land will tremble. I will deal with them according to their conduct, and by their own standards I will judge them. Then they will know that I am the LORD.”』
Those with power mourn and the officials are clothed with despair in the face of disasters; their wealth is of no use, and everything they have prepared is in vain. In the face of those impending disasters, we need God”s promise to protect us from all disasters.
The Passover, the sign of God”s promise to let every and any disaster pass over us
The Passover is a sign of salvation established between God and us. Just as God let Rahab put a mark on her house so that she and her family would preserve their lives, God has put a mark of salvation on our foreheads.
Eze 9:4-6 『. . . and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.』
Here God tells the destroying angels not to touch anyone who has the mark. Those who have the mark are the people who need to be protected. At the time of the Exodus, God urged the Israelites to celebrate the Passover and protected them by letting the destroying angels pass over the people who kept the Passover. Even today, God puts a sign of promise on all His people who must be protected, so that they can escape disasters.
On the island of Patmos, the Apostle John also saw the same vision as the prophet Ezekiel.
Rev 7:1-3 『After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”』
“After this” means after the occurrence of the event described in Revelation 6: “The stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.” Here the stars in the sky and a fig tree represent the nation of Israel. And wind means war. Israel was involved in a great war during which the Jews suffered horribly as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind; 6,000,000 Jews were killed by the German Nazis during that war, which was the Second World War. Therefore, “after this” means “after the Second World War” (Rev 6:12-17).
Then, what is the seal of God that is to be put on the foreheads of God”s people after that? God puts His seal on the foreheads of His people to let them escape disasters.
That is the Passover, which God promised as a sign of redemption at the time of the Exodus. All who keep the Passover holy and dwell in the truth of the new covenant are those who have received the seal of God. As Joshua ordered the whole army of Israel to protect Rahab and her family, so God commands the destroying angels not to bring any disaster on His people who keep the Passover.
God”s work of putting His seal spreads from the east to the whole world
God”s work of putting His seal is to begin from the east. The fact that the sealing work starts from the east where the sun rises shows that something urgent is to take place there.
Isa 24:1-6 『See, the LORD is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants . . . The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. The LORD has spoken this word. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the exalted of the earth languish. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth”s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.』
Isa 24:13-16 『So will it be on the earth and among the nations, as when an olive tree is beaten, or as when gleanings are left after the grape harvest. They raise their voices, they shout for joy; from the west they acclaim the LORD”s majesty. Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD; exalt the name of the LORD, the God of Israel, in the islands of the sea. From the ends of the earth we hear singing: “Glory to the Righteous One.”』
When the earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered, God”s work of sealing His people starts from the ends of the earth in the east. The ends of the earth in the east is Korea, sharing the same latitude as the island of Patmos where John saw a vision. For this reason, the Passover—the truth of the new covenant—has been restored in Korea in these last days and the seal of God is now being put on all the people around the world.
Now, many of God”s prophets including short-term and long-term missionaries are going out into the world and preaching Heavenly Mother, the New Jerusalem, and the New Covenant Passover. This is the process of putting the seal of God on God”s people.
Whoever receives the promise of God with gratitude will be saved, and whoever does not receive it will be condemned (Mk 16:15-16).
Jacob”s trouble and God”s salvation
Considering all those facts, we can figure out that the Passover is the greatest truth of all, which God has prepared for our salvation. Jesus has said that the last disaster will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
Lk 21:34-36 『”Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”』
We must always give ourselves fully to the work of God while keeping watch and praying continually. When Jacob returned to his hometown, he wrestled with the angel of God at the ford of the Jabbok all night long. Even when his hip was wrenched from its socket, he would not give up. Only after receiving God”s blessing did Jacob return to his home. Likewise, we are to go through a time of hardship at least once on our journey to heaven, our eternal home. The book of Jeremiah calls it “a time of trouble for Jacob.”
Jer 30:6-9 『” ‘Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? How awful that day will be! None will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it. In that day,” declares the LORD Almighty, . . . “』
We must realize the value of our salvation and have faith strong enough to overcome any hardship and suffering. Just as Jacob returned to his hometown amid God”s blessing, we must also return to our heavenly home amidst the abundance of God”s blessings by keeping our faith and enduring to the end, no matter what kind of hardship and suffering we encounter.
God has given the children of Zion a sign of promise through the Passover. As God let the Israelites prepare themselves for the coming plague through the Passover as a sign of His promise, so God allows us to escape disasters through the Passover in this age, too. Even though disasters occur all around the world and a thousand may fall at our side, ten thousand at our right hand, God stops all the disasters from coming near us (Ps 91:7-16). God has promised through His word that He will keep our future safe and protect us. Engraving the gracious word of God deep in our hearts and abiding in God”s promise, let us all give glory and praise to God forever and ever.
By: Bell on October 10, 2011
at 6:00 pm
Joyful news has been continually reaching Zion these days. The gospel is now spreading much faster; every month many souls are led into life both nationwide and worldwide. The glory of the New Jerusalem our Mother is shining brighter and brighter, and we the people of Zion are receiving praise and honor, just as God has promised.
All this is the grace of God who quickly fulfills the prophecies, and it is a result of the obedience of brothers and sisters to God”s word. Our brothers and sisters obey Mother”s teaching and meet each other always with a smile, and God gives us more joy.
Christ”s gospel causes joy to spring forth from deep within us. Rejoicing always, we shall follow God”s will and lead all people in this world to happiness.
“Be joyful always . . . this is God”s will for you”
We know that it is the will of God to obey His commands. But we often forget that this is God”s will: to rejoice always, pray continually and give thanks in everything.
1 Th 5:16-18 『Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God”s will for you in Christ Jesus.』
Rejoicing is a part of God”s will. We are to fully obey God”s will, for Jesus says that not everyone who says to Him, ‘Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of God (Mt 7:21).
We smile when we are happy, and we become happy when we smile.
There may not be always things that make us smile, for we are sinners living in the spiritual city of refuge. But we should try to make it a habit to rejoice in any situation. And we need to train ourselves to be godly (1 Ti 4:7). If we constantly rejoice even in small things, it becomes a habit and the habit hardens into character. We are to have a pleasing personality, so that we may always rejoice and willingly obey God”s will.
From the prophetical point of view, we are expected to be always smiling.
We, God”s children, like Isaac, are the children of promise (Gal 4:28). Isaac means “laughter.” The name Isaac, meaning laughter, was given to the only true heir of Abraham who represents our Heavenly Father, and Sarah, who represents our Heavenly Mother. This reminds us that God wants us, children of heaven, to rejoice always.
Laughter and health
Laughter is a remedy for all ailments. It is common knowledge in medical science that laughter slows down the rate of aging and cures many health problems. Modern people suffer from various diseases, for they are stressed and get angry easily, finding no pleasure in their lives. Laughter has the ability to prevent any disease.
There was a patient suffering from rheumatism in the United States. He had severe arthritic pain; his entire body was swollen. Though he had been in the hospital for years, he didn”t get better; the pain gradually grew worse.
He refused to wither away in the gloomy hospital room but rather chose to spend his last days in happiness. Then he decided to leave the hospital and took up his lodgings at a hotel.
From that time he began to watch comic movies. He had been continuously suffering from pain, but mysteriously he felt no pain for almost two hours after he laughed out loud for about ten minutes while watching the videos. He laughed aloud, watching two or three videos a day, then he was relieved of the pain almost all day and he gradually felt better. Fortunately he recovered completely from his illness, and later he wrote a book about his experience.
There is also a case of a person being cured of his cancer through laughter.
In 1982, a seven-year-old boy named Shawn was dying of brain cancer in the United States. His parents could do nothing but watch their son relying entirely on a respirator to maintain his feeble breathing. They thought that putting him on the respirator would only prolong his suffering, and decided to take him off the respirator.
The night before they removed their child from the respirator, Shawn”s father decided to give his dying son the best present which he would be most pleased with. Shawn was an ardent fan of Stapleton who was a home run hitter of the Boston Red Sox Baseball Team. That night, Shawn”s father visited the athletes” village and entreated Stapleton to meet his son after explaining his desperate situation.
The next day, Stapleton visited Shawn, who was struggling to breathe after being removed from the respirator. Stapleton approached him and held his hand, saying, “Shawn, I am Stapleton.”
Then the child opened his eyes. He became aware that the home run hitter, whom he had so eagerly wanted to meet, was holding his hand. His eyes began to overflow with emotion. Stapleton promised him that he would hit a home run in tomorrow”s game and told him to watch the game on TV. And he gave the child an autographed baseball.
Amazingly, even after being taken off the respiratory support equipment, Shawn was still alive to watch the live baseball game on TV the next day.
Stapleton hit a home run as he had promised. Shawn believed that the home run was for him, and he looked so happy.
This gave new hope to the dying child. Five months later, Shawn was still alive; he was breathing without a respirator and showed remarkable recovery.
He received a thorough examination again at the hospital. Surprisingly, his brain was completely clean; there was no cancer at all.
Joy and laughter are a remedy for the health of our spirits, too. Caring about the safety of our souls, God told us to rejoice always.
Many of our brothers and sisters in Zion, including me, have experienced recovery from an illness after receiving the truth. Perhaps it has been possible because we”ve always rejoiced in God. When we live a joyful life, we become strong both physically and spiritually, and we are able to make not only ourselves but also others happy.
Laughter brings blessing
Our brothers and sisters in Zion always ask for God”s blessing, praying for one another. The more we practice smiling and laughing, the more blessing we will receive. There is a proverb which says, “If you laugh, blessings will come your way.” Laughter brings us not only physical blessings but also spiritual blessings as well.
Following the words of Mother, our brothers and sisters in Zion try to rejoice and give thanks to God always.
If we bring joy to our family and our Church members as well, it spreads throughout our neighborhood and entire community and the whole world will be filled with joy. This is the world which God wants people to live in, isn”t it?
If we have a habit of smiling, we come to recognize that what we were so sorrowful about is really not worth being sorry about. ‘We are sinners that deserve to be hurt,” ‘We have the hope for heaven,” ‘We”ve achieved greater things instead of losing small, insignificant things.” Thus we become considerate about everything and gentle with others, so that we may resemble God in full. Start smiling right now, and you will gradually feel a change in your heart.
We are God”s children; we must resemble our Heavenly Father and Mother in Their love. Being gradually changed to resemble God is really a great blessing through laughter.
Since our brothers and sisters put into practice the words of God, “Be joyful always,” lots of good news has been continually reaching us: Our brothers and sisters throughout the world earnestly ask Mother to quickly send them missionaries, and many people are willingly coming to Zion to hear the gospel.
Gospel is good news
The gospel gives us joy and hope. It must be preached to the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, because most people in the world live in pain rather than in joy. We are to preach the good news to them so that they may have hope. This is the will of God.
Mt 4:23 『Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.』
Thus, the gospel is good news and glad tidings. The greatest and most joyful news to hopeless souls in this sinful world is that Christ has come in the flesh, isn”t it? So, the gospel is a message of joy for people.
About 2,000 years ago, Jesus came to this earth and gave courage, hope and joy to people, and many dying souls miraculously came to life.
Stapleton, who was a home run hitter, gave joy and hope to the dying child. Likewise, Christ gave everlasting joy and eternal life to us the mortal beings.
Jn 15:11 『”I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.”』
Christ wanted those who accepted the gospel to be always filled with joy. He only desired that His joy might be in us and that our joy might be complete. With this earnest hope, He came down from heaven to this sinful world; He neither took care of Himself nor sought after His own pleasure.
Even when we turned away from Him, He took pity on us and bore the burden of the cross to take away our sins.
If we follow such an example of Christ, we shall gladly preach the gospel, thinking how we can bring joy to others. We need to make not only ourselves but also others happy and laugh.
Zion full of joy and gladness
God wants the hearts of the people in Zion to be filled with joy and gladness.
Isa 51:11 『”The ransomed of the LORD will return. They will enter Zion with singing; everlasting joy will crown their hearts. Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away.”』
Thus, Zion is a place of everlasting joy; we shall obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away. What we should bring to Jerusalem is good news, glad tidings (Isa 40:9; 52:7). As watchmen, let”s bring lots of good news to Jerusalem, and our home and Church will be continuously filled with laughter and there will be much more joyful news than before we believed in God.
At the end of every year, we examine the fruit of the gospel that each Church has produced during the year. Then we find out that the Churches following the teachings of Father and Mother continuously have produced more abundant fruit.
Some Churches produce more fruit than they have expected. Brothers and sisters in those Churches are always smiling at one another. Sometimes they may feel hurt or offended by someone or something, but when they come to Zion, they try to smile, thinking, ‘This is a place of grace where our Father and Mother dwell.”
They felt awkward at first. But they repeatedly expressed their joy and thanks in everything. And now they have a habit of smiling and laughing.
I”ve also heard that some received the truth, being surprised when they first visited our Church, saying, “Life in this world is so hard and painful. How can the people here always smile so brightly? I want to catch their smile and laughter.”
Bear the fruit of joy
Thus, if we live a joyful life according to God”s will, we will all bear the beautiful fruit of the Spirit. Let”s continually smile, keeping in mind the words of Christ: “I have told this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.”
Gal 6:7-8 『Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, form the Spirit will reap eternal life.』
The Bible says that a man reaps what he sows. If we sow anger, we reap anger: If we plant joy, we reap joy. God has promised abundant fruit for those who always rejoice, so that their joy may be complete.
We all want to be greeted with a smile and hear heartfelt words. Then, we must plant what we want. God says that if we sow joy, we will reap the fruit of joy. Let”s continue to be joyful until we enter the everlasting kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22-23 『But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.』
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. If we smile at every person we meet, we will bear the fruit of the Spirit abundantly.
Did you smile and laugh today? If not, create an opportunity to laugh and smile. You may feel somewhat awkward about smiling right now. But that is the will of God. We must obey God”s will out of gratitude.
Brothers and sisters in Zion! Let”s always rejoice in the truth, sharing the joy with people all around the world. Remembering God”s will―”Be joyful always,” let”s continually be joyful, so we will all enter the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on October 10, 2011
at 6:02 pm
im just so confused…………………..
By: Mae (@Rhianmargaret) on November 4, 2011
at 6:49 pm
There are times when we need to make decisions in our daily affairs and in our faith as well. What if we hesitate and delay making a decision? If we do not decide on something but just think about it, we will always remain the same, unable to go forward at all; rather, we will be controlled by our circumstances and go astray.
Turgenev, one of Russia’s great writers, divided mankind into two basic types—Hamlet and Don Quixote. Hamlet represents a meditative, irresolute person whose power of direct action is paralyzed by self-doubt and reflection, whereas Don Quixote represents a decisive and active person who puts his or her thoughts into action with-out hesitation.
What type of person are we now before God? When we are given a time to make a decision on something, if it is God’s will to do it and it is a good and righteous thing that we ought to do, we don’t need to hesitate. The Bible has many records of the forefathers of faith who received blessings from God by taking the right path when they were given a time for decision making.
Decision of the apostles who followed the call of Christ
2,000 years ago, Jesus called His disciples as He was walking beside the Sea of Galilee. At that time, Peter, Andrew, James and John were busy catching fish.
Mt 4:18-22 『As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.” At once they left their nets and followed him. Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.』
“I will make you fishers of men.” When Jesus said this, the disciples including Peter made a decision without hesitation. It was in a town by the Lake of Galilee that they had lived until then. It was a comfortable place for living, where their parents lived and there were also their nets and boats which they were well skilled in using.
However, leaving these things behind, they responded to Jesus’ call to follow Him.
If Peter hesitated with a lingering attachment for his fishing nets and boat and for the environment surrounding him when Jesus told him to follow Him, the time for decision given to him would have just passed by and he would have ended up living his life as a mere fisherman. At that moment, however, Peter left all his nets and followed Jesus; he was really a decisive person. Since he had a time of decision for God, he was able to become a great apostle who set an example of upright faith to all people in the world.
Apostle Paul took a leading part in persecuting God’s people when he did not know the truth. From the viewpoint of Judaism, the believers in the early Church of God seemed abnormal and heretical. So, Paul even took the lead in stoning Stephen to death. However, while on his way to Damascus, he heard the voice of God and had time for decision.
“Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” “Who are you, Lord?” “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.”
Paul used to think that he had been working for God, but he found out that Jesus, whom he had been persecuting until then, was truly God Himself whom he had been serving. Shocked at this fact, Paul had time to make the decision to convert to the Church of God by correcting his wrong thoughts and behaviors. As soon as he made the decision, he became a worker of the new covenant to preach Jesus Christ and His teachings to many people, and up to the very last moment of his life on the earth he devoted himself exclusively to the gospel mission entrusted by God to him (Ac 7:58-8:3; 9:1-31).
Decision of Ruth—“Where you go I will go”
The Bible also records the story of a Moabite woman named Ruth who followed her Israelite mother-in-law Naomi till the end of her life. When there was a famine in Israel, Naomi and her family moved to Moab to escape the famine. After losing her husband and her two sons, she decided to return to her hometown. Then Orpah, one of Naomi’s two daughters-in-law, left her mother-in-law and went her own way, but Ruth made the firm decision to stay with Naomi for the rest of her life.
Ru 1:15-17 『“Look,” said Naomi, “your sister-in-law is going back to her people and her gods. Go back with her.” But Ruth replied, “Don’t urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God. Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the LORD deal with me, be it ever so severely, if anything but death separates you and me.”』
In that situation, any other woman would consider her-mother-in-law as a burden and desert her. However, Ruth decided to stay with her mother-in-law. When she was given time to make a decision, she chose the right path to accompany her mother-in-law and to follow God.
Ruth followed Naomi to her hometown, Bethlehem, and started to make a living there. In Old Testament times, there was a custom for farmers to leave some grain in their fields for the poor after the harvest. So Ruth would go to the fields to pick up the grain dropped by the reapers, as a means of providing for her mother-in-law. Then Boaz heard of her filial conduct toward her mother-in-law and showed kindness to her.
Ru 2:8-12 『So Boaz said to Ruth, “My daughter, listen to me. Don’t go and glean in another field and don’t go away from here. Stay here with my servant girls. Watch the field where the men are harvesting, and follow along after the girls. I have told the men not to touch you. And whenever you are thirsty, go and get a drink from the water jars the men have filled.” At this, she bowed down with her face to the ground. She exclaimed, “Why have I found such favor in your eyes that you notice me—a foreigner?” Boaz replied, “I’ve been told all about what you have done for your mother-in-law since the death of your husband—how you left your father and mother and your homeland and came to live with a people you did not know before. May the LORD repay you for what you have done. May you be richly rewarded by the LORD, the God of Israel, under whose wings you have come to take refuge.”』
The favor that Boaz showed to Ruth was ultimately the blessing God gave her. God let David be born among the descendants of Ruth, so that she would become David’s ancestress. It is unusual for a woman’s name to be found in Jewish genealogy, which is usually patrilineal. However, Ruth is specifically mentioned by name in the geneal21ogy. As a woman, she received that immense blessing. It is evidence that she made the decision which was truly beautiful, good and righteous in God’s sight.
Decision of Daniel and his three friends who followed God’s will at the crossroads of life and death In the time of the prophet Daniel, King Nebuchadnezzar gave a strict command to Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego: “You must worship the image of gold which I’ve set up. If you do not worship it, you will be thrown into a blazing furnace.” It was time for them to make a decision: If they worshiped the idol according to the king’s order, they would disobey God’s command, and if they did not worship it, they would be thrown into the fiery furnace. The three of them decided to choose Heaven rather than to win transient favor with the king for a comfortable life on this earth (Da 3:1-13).
Da 3:14-18 『Nebuchadnezzar said to them, “Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I have set up? . . . But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”』
No matter how hard King Nebuchadnezzar tried to persuade Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to worship the golden image, they boldly told the king that they had already decided to follow the will of God. Furious with rage, the king commanded his soldiers to throw them into the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual. However, they were not harmed at all even in the fiery furnace because God protected them from the fire. Then the king was amazed and called them out of the furnace, and he saw that the fire had not harmed their bodies, nor was a hair of their heads singed; their robes were not scorched, and there was no smell of fire on them. Through this incident, King Nebuchadnezzar deeply realized the power of the God whom Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego served, and promoted them to even higher positions (Da 3:19-30).
For Daniel there was a time for decision, too. During the time of King Darius, the king’s officials tried to find grounds for charges against Daniel and instigated the king to issue a decree that anyone who prayed to any god or man for one month, except tothe king, should be thrown into the lions’ den. Even after learning that the decree had been published, Daniel prayed to God with his face towards Jerusalem as usual. He was firm in his decision not to lose his precious time to pray to God by yielding to the circumstances around him.
As a result, although he was cast down into the den of lions, they did not harm him at all. Even in the lions’ den, Daniel was not afraid, but he kept his eyes fixed on God, staying peaceful and calm. Since he had lived while looking only to God every moment and in any dangerous situation, he stood by God’s side without hesitation at his time of decision and consequently he was protected by God, while all those who had slandered him became food for lions (Da 6:1-28).
Decision of the ancestors who obeyed God’s word right away
Like our aforementioned ancestors in faith, we need to make a decision. If we hesitate when we are given a time to decide on something, we come to waste more time and our heart is troubled even more. If we have much time, we may think it over, but if it is definitely God’s word and will, we must put it into practice right away, without hesitation, so that we will obtain gracious results.
Heb 11:6-11, 17 『And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. . . . By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son,』
When God commanded Noah to prepare an ark, he did not hesitate but made a firm decision. The Bible says that Noah did everything just as God had told him to. As a result of his immediate obedience to God’s word, he and his whole family were saved. Abraham also obeyed God’s call and went without hesitation, even though he did not know where he was going. Afterwards, whenever he needed to make a decision, he always kept his heart towards God.
God also asks us to make a decision. He commands us to save all souls and to bring them to heaven together, saying, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you” (Mt 28:18-20).
We should make it a practice to immediately obey whatever God tells us. This is the duty of God’s people who have faith. Those who hesitate and delay cannot go forward at all. Such people always remain the same, like balloon dolls swaying in the wind. While just hesitating, they cannot become disciples of Jesus like Peter, they cannot do the work of displaying God’s glory to the world like Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and they cannot save many souls as gospel preachers like Apostle Paul.
There are still many people around us who have not entered the path of salvation without knowing the truth. Let us have time to make a decision to preach the truth of the new covenant to them and to all nations, so that the glory of God will be preached in Samaria and to the ends of the earth.
Time of decision for the salvation of the world
There is a large, deep crater lake named Cheonji (meaning “sky lake” in Korean) at the top of Mt. Baekdu. A region around the lake gives rise to two rivers. It is said that when a concentrated rainfall occurs in that region, if the stream of water flows to the left even just a little bit, it goes into the Amnok River, and if it flows to the right just a little bit, it runs into the Duman River. In other words, according to which side the stream of water chooses to flow to, it separates into two and the separated waters run into different rivers and ultimately arrive at opposite destinations—the West Sea and the East Sea.
In the same way, according to what kind of choice we make, we may live different lives—the life for the eternal kingdom of God and the life for this sinful world, and as a result we will arrive at a completely different destination—heaven or hell. Everyone wants to go to heaven. However, since Satan the devil tries to hinder us by putting all kinds of temptations and obstacles in our path, it is not easy to go towards the right direction. So we need to take the time to make a decision.
In order to go to the kingdom of heaven, we should take our steps towards heaven. Let us only follow the will of God, putting all other things aside. If we continue to do so, we will find ourselves in heaven at one instant of time. Whenever you need to make a decision, please ask yourself which side you must stand on and make the right choice in accordance with God’s will, so that you will run towards heaven.
1 Co 15:58 『Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.』
The work of the Lord refers to the gospel work—the task of saving dying souls. Worldly things often go wrong and everything we have worked hard for may disappear overnight. However, no effort we make to do the work of God is in vain.
God says that He will spit us out of His mouth if we are lukewarm—neither cold nor hot (Rev 3:15-16). If we assume a lukewarm attitude of faith instead of taking a definite stand on God’s side, our faith cannot help but be trapped in a dangerous situation. We reap what we sow. However, if we just think about whether to plant or not or where to sow, we can reap nothing. Those who sow the seed of the Spirit will reap the fruit of the Spirit, and those who sow the seeds of their sinful desires for the world will reap perishable fruit. So God tells us to sow the seed of the kingdom of heaven.
The time for a decision is not always given to us. If Peter had not responded to God’s call right away, he would have been deprived of his blessing by another person. If Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had not shown their firm determination not to worship the idol at that moment, their faith would have been in vain. Since they made a decision and took their stand on God’s side right at that moment, they were able to display the holy glory of God to the world in obedience to God’s will.
As God tells us to preach the gospel in Samaria and to the ends of the earth, now let us have time for a new decision. A time for a decision is a time for a blessing as well. The time when Peter made a firm and resolute decision to follow Jesus was the time for a once-in-a-lifetime blessing to him.
Now there are so many people who are waiting for us. We must not hesitate whether to preach to them or not, because we may never be able to meet them again. I earnestly hope that you will all reap good fruit by boldly preaching the words of life and sowing gracious things for the eternal kingdom of heaven, as the new covenant workers who are pleasing to God.
By: Bell on November 6, 2011
at 5:19 am
Once I read the words that define home as follows: “Home is the kingdom of a father, the world of a mother, and the paradise of children.” The reason “home can be the kingdom of a father, the world of a mother, and the paradise of children” is that at home there are careful consideration and love among family members.
We are the members of the heavenly family, so we should unite in love.
God refines us in the crucible of our “family,” where all our evil, worldly passions such as quarreling, hate and jealousy melt away, so that we may have good character like a crystal and change into love. In order to re-create each of us to be a new person full of love, God has built a fence called “family” for us, both physically and spiritually.
The opposite of “love” is “hate.” Hate is the most unnecessary thing we must throw away in the process of changing into the people of the everlasting kingdom of God. When we get rid of all the hate from our minds and fill our hearts with love, we can be completely reborn as the people of heaven.
Thanksgiving is the way to defeat hate
A man had a serious argument with his wife in the morning and went out of his house. Trying to calm himself down, he walked down the road. Just at the right moment, the refreshing breeze blew gently, the rays of the sun pierced through the clouds to shine brightly, and the translucent bright green leaves danced in the breeze. Seeing and feeling the beauty of nature, he felt as if he was standing in paradise.
Then he realized that God opened the windows of heaven and was bestowing boundless blessings and joy upon him, even though He has the power to put him to death because he had committed sin against Him. It was for a very trivial reason that he was angry at his wife and hated her, but God had more than a thousand times bigger reason to be enraged at him. When he thought that way, he hurried back home and made up with his wife.
The confession of the man shows us well what kind of mindset we need to have in order to remove hate from our hearts. The moment he was thankful to God, all the hate he had disappeared. If we are conscious of God and thankful to Him like that, we will be able to overcome and reject all the feelings of hate that we may have in our lives.
Everything we feel angry about or hate is nothing compared with our sins deserving God’s everlasting wrath and punishment. Now, let’s take some time to think about how obediently we follow God’s command, “Love one another,” in our spiritual family.
History of hate between brothers
The book of Genesis describes the first hate crime in human history and the origin of sin caused by it.
Ge 4:1-8 『 . . . Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.” Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.』
The feeling of hate that Cain had resulted in his killing his brother Abel, and he became the first murderer in human history. Hate brings about such cruel and hideous crimes. That’s why God always teaches us to be compassionate to one another and forgive each other, and also has given us a command—“Love one another.” We must not hate our brothers and sisters like Cain but share God’s love with them from our hearts.
Ge 27:41-45 『Esau held a grudge against Jacob because of the blessing his father had given him. He said to himself, “The days of mourning for my father are near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.” When Rebekah was told what her older son Esau had said, she sent for her younger son Jacob and said to him, “Your brother Esau is consoling himself with the thought of killing you. Now then, my son, do what I say: Flee at once to my brother Laban in Haran. Stay with him for a while until your brother’s fury subsides. When your brother is no longer angry with you and forgets what you did to him, I’ll send word for you to come back from there. Why should I lose both of you in one day?”』
The history of hate between brothers is also found in the story of Jacob and Esau. One of them obtained a blessing, but the other lost it. Then the one who lost the blessing became jealous and envious of the one who received it, and finally he intended to kill his brother.
Ge 37:4-5 『When his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of them, they hated him and could not speak a kind word to him. Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers, they hated him all the more.』
In the above verse, we can see that hatred arose among Joseph’s brothers when they felt jealous or envious of each other, thinking their father loved one of them more than the rest. Likewise, if we don’t love one another but hate each other, it will bring about irrevocable results.
God shows compassion equally to each and every one of us. He gives the blessings of the sunshine to everyone, not giving some people more and others less, whether they are righteous or wicked. This is the heart of Heavenly Father, and so is the heart of Heavenly Mother. Her mind is broad and deep like the sea enough to cover up all the people’s faults, as stated in the ninth Teaching of Mother. Resembling the heart of God, we should also have a broad mind enough to cover up our brothers and sisters’ faults, as the sea receives all the dirt and purifies it.
Do not be like Cain
Why did God let the stories of those who hated their brothers and tried to kill them be recorded in the Bible? It is because God wants us, His holy people who will become perfect as heavenly beings, to learn a lesson even from the history of hate and consider it a warning. God teaches us not to hate each other but to love one another.
Lev 19:17 『“ ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.’ ”』
From now on, we must get rid of hate completely. If you happen to hate a brother in your heart, you must remove the hate with the eraser of forgiveness and help him produce fruit worthy of Father and Mother. This is what God wants us to do first and foremost in the new covenant.
1 Jn 3:11-16 『This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.』
“Do not be like Cain” means “do not hate your brothers.” If we become angry, hate or have a grudge against brothers and sisters because their words and behaviors offend and displease us, we may spiritually commit the same kind of crime as that of Cain. The Bible warns us that if we do not love our brothers and sisters, we remain in death.
While we live in this world, there may be misunderstandings and quarrels, big or small. For the same thing, some do not think it is a factor that can cause offense or enmity, but it can cause others to feel angry or hate. If we are always thankful to God for everything He has given us and are content and joyful whatever circumstances we are in, there will be no hate in our hearts anymore.
Satan once prowled around the world to sow the seeds of hate, and there were numerous good places to plant the seeds of hate. Most people’s hearts had moderate temperatures and conditions for the seeds of hatred to germinate and grow. However, the hearts of some people didn’t have good conditions for hate to grow at all, and Satan failed to sow the seeds of hate in them. They were the people who always had a thankful heart.
A thankful heart is the soil which prevents hate from growing and helps love grow ripe. In the soil of gratitude, a seed of hate can never grow. The fruit of love is borne only in the soil of gratitude.
If we have regarded our brothers and sisters’ faults as big and felt offended by them and also have had a distorted view of Zion because of a feeling of hate, we must destroy all the hate with love. When we always have a thankful heart to Father and Mother for Their grace, anything annoying or distressing will never happen to us. Let us only sow the seeds of love in the soil of our thankful hearts. Then joy and gladness will always be found in Zion, and thanksgiving and the sound of singing will not cease there (Isa 51:3).
Love blooms in a thankful heart
1 Jn 4:7-11 『Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.』
We must love one another as God has told us to. Sometimes we may feel heartbroken or hurt because of brothers and sisters’ ways of speaking and behaving, which are different from ours. However, we did more cruel and wicked acts against God and spoke more offensive words to Him. Despite all that, God embraces us in His loving arms, lets the warm sunlight shine on us, and allows us to feel the verdure of nature and to breathe the fresh air.
If we look around us with a thankful heart, we can experience a miracle every day and words of admiration will continuously come out of our mouths. On the contrary, if our gratitude ceases, our hearts will only be filled with hate. Engraving God’s word—“Love one another”—in our hearts, let’s take a look at another teaching that we should always be thankful and try to be good to each other.
1 Th 5:12-22 『Now we ask you, brothers, . . . Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone. Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else. Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.』
God tells us to live in peace with each other and try to be kind to everyone in all circumstances. We must not have a feeling of enmity or hate towards anyone, although he or she doesn’t have the same thoughts as us; rather, we should always be good to everyone. This is the teaching and commandment of Father and Mother. They also tell us to be joyful always and give thanks in all circumstances. If we are always thankful to Father and Mother, there will be no complaint, no grumbling and no hate in our hearts.
‘Is there something about me that causes my brothers and sisters to have feelings of hate? Do I hate any brother or sister? Am I grumbling? Am I losing gratitude?’ Reflecting upon ourselves again, let’s think of Father and Mother. Everything will be solved if we are conscious of God. Satan attacks us when we do not think of God but stay away from Him. It was during Adam’s absence that Eve was tempted by the serpent. Likewise, if we stay away from God, we give Satan an opportunity to tempt us.
Giving thanks in all circumstances, let us remove all the hate and make Zion—God’s house, where the heavenly family members are gathered together, the true “kingdom of Father, the world of Mother, and the paradise of us, Their children.” Let’s make Zion a place full of Father and Mother’s love, a place without hate, a place filled with gratitude, and a place where our prayers and consideration for one another do not cease, so that our brothers and sisters’ pain, sorrow and hardship, which they have suffered in this world, will all melt away the moment they enter Zion. I earnestly hope that all our brothers and sisters in Zion will always remember the sacrifice of Father and Mother, have no hate, pray continually, and overflow with gratitude.
By: Bell on November 16, 2011
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God bless you Brothers and Sisters :)!
Dreams come true! If one has a dream and tries to fulfill the dream, it will surely come true. If he can achieve nothing, it proves that he has no dream.
As a proverb says, “Where there is a will, there is a way.”
2,000 years ago, Jesus said, “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
Jesus did not restrict this command to certain people; He gave the command to all people having the will to go. Whoever puts absolute trust in God can participate in God’s wonderful work.
Each of us is to have a great ambition for the gospel: ‘I can become the hero of prophecy.’ We shall remember the power of God who has accomplished His great works through the weak and the humble, rather than get caught up in our own inadequacies.
Fragrance of Zion being emitted from overseas
Recently, I received some good news from the overseer of the New Zealand Zion. It was about one of our Church family members there. Actually, I was somewhat concerned about him before he left Korea, thinking, ‘Will he be able to fearlessly preach the gospel in New Zealand?’ Contrary to my worry, he was bearing lots of good fruit there in New Zealand. When I heard this, I was incredibly happy.
Let me give you some more good news from Peru. The overseer told me about a brother; he didn’t have a positive faith when he was in Korea, but since he came to Peru he’s been loudly preaching the gospel passionately with a loud voice and also leading young adults actively. That’s surprising news to me.
Though they seemed very weak and unable to do that, since God has used them as His instruments they’ve been faithfully carrying out such great and wonderful tasks. I feel even more keenly that men cannot fully fathom God’s providence.
Hearing the good news that those who seemed weak and unable to boldly preach are now leading many souls into Zion, I realize again that everything is possible if there is faith and zeal. Brothers and sisters in Zion are humble, and they tend to focus too much on their own weakness and deficiencies. We first need to trust in God rather than our feeble ability.
We don’t need to worry, ‘I am weak. Will I be able to boldly preach the gospel?’ On the contrary, even if we are competent in a foreign language or have the ability to speak fluently or possess outstanding intelligence, we must not be proud of ourselves for that. It is nothing. The gospel is never accomplished by human ability. God fulfills the work of the gospel through the weak who trust in His great power and seek first His help.
God chooses the humble
When we think of God’s salvation work which has been fulfilled through the ages of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, we can fathom the providence of God who fulfills His great work through the humble.
When God chose His prophets in each era, some were chosen from among shepherds, some among fishermen, and others among tax collectors. A shepherd, a fisherman or a tax collector was not a respectable leading position in the eyes of people. All of them were the poorest and the lowly people in those days.
1 Co 1:20-29 『 . . . For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe . . . For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength. Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things―and the things that are not―to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him.』
This is the way God chooses His people. He has chosen the weak, the foolish and the poor and fulfilled His great work of salvation through them.
A shepherd can become a great prophet and a fisherman or a tax collector can be an apostle whose name will shine forever, if God uses them.
So Apostle Paul testified that his message and his preaching were not with wise words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power. He just wanted to be used as God’s instrument.
1 Co 2:4-5, 13-14 『My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power . . . This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. . . .』
Saving souls by preaching the gospel―it does not depend on human wisdom, but on God’s power. Even a man of many talents, without the power of God’s enabling grace, cannot bear fruit. Though we are deficient in ability, God uses us and allows us to bear good fruit when we absolutely depend on Him. It is the greatest honor on earth and in heaven to be used as an instrument to reveal the glory of God, isn’t it?
God demonstrated His miraculous power with a wooden staff
Even a common and worthless thing can create a miracle if God uses it. God has used us, worthless beings, to fulfill His work. All our family members in Zion are obligated to follow God to the end with a thankful and joyful heart. Now let’s see what wondrous miracles occurred through a wooden staff when God used it.
Ex 4:2-4 『Then the LORD said to him, “What is that in your hand?” “A staff,” he replied. The LORD said, “Throw it on the ground.” Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it. Then the LORD said to him, “Reach out your hand and take it by the tail.” So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand.』
The staff Moses held in his hand at that time was his shepherd’s staff that he used when he tended the flock of the priest of Median. It was an ordinary staff of wood, not a golden staff like a royal scepter or an extraordinary staff of great value. With this extremely ordinary thing, however, God fulfilled His great work.
Ex 14:13-16 『 . . . Then the LORD said to Moses, “Why are you crying out to me? Tell the Israelites to move on. Raise your staff and stretch out your hand over the sea to divide the water so that the Israelites can go through the sea on dry ground.” 』
The staff in Moses’ hand was the rod of God’s mighty hand. It was used to divide the Red Sea and lead the Israelites out of Egypt to Canaan. It was not by the staff itself that such a wondrous work could be accomplished, but by the power of God which was upon the staff.
Even after the Exodus, Moses’ staff was used to perform many miracles.
Ex 17:5-6 『The LORD answered Moses, “ . . . take in your hand the staff with which you struck the Nile, and go. I will stand there before you by the rock at Horeb. Strike the rock, and water will come out of it for the people to drink.” So Moses did this in the sight of the elders of Israel.』
Ex 17:8-13 『 . . . Moses said to Joshua, “Choose some of our men and go out to fight the Amalekites. Tomorrow I will stand on top of the hill with the staff of God in my hands.” So Joshua fought the Amalekites as Moses had ordered, and Moses, Aaron and Hur went to the top of the hill. As long as Moses held up his hands, the Israelites were winning, but whenever he lowered his hands, the Amalekites were winning . . . Aaron and Hur held his hands up―one on one side, one on the other―so that his hands remained steady till sunset. So Joshua overcame the Amalekite army with the sword.』
When Moses struck the rock with his staff, a huge amount of water gushed out and all the people were able to drink. And when the staff was raised high, the enemies were totally destroyed.
Though the staff itself seemed so powerful, such miracles were the manifestations of God’s power. Likewise, God wanted to use us as an instrument for the gospel, saying, “Go and make disciples of all nations.” This implies God’s strong intention to use us as His instrument.
No instrument, whether made of wood or gold, should become selfdepreciative or proud. All our family members of Zion are to be always joyful and thankful that God has called us to be His instrument for displaying His great power and accomplishing His wonderful work.
God worked a miracle by using five barley loaves
We are given the grace to be the last living witnesses of God. Now, greater miracles than the ones with Moses’ staff will be created through us. Whatever we do, we shall reveal the power of God as His instrument, constantly praying to God to give us His strength.
Jn 6:9-13 『“Here is a boy with five small barley loaves and two small fish, but how far will they go among so many?” . . . and the men sat down, about five thousand of them. Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish. When they had all had enough to eat, he said to his disciples, “Gather the pieces that are left over. Let nothing be wasted.” So they gathered them and filled twelve baskets with the pieces of the five barley loaves left over by those who had eaten.』
In Tiberias, by the sea of Galilee, over five thousand people followed Jesus all day long. Jesus took pity on them and wanted to give them something to eat, but there were only five barley loaves and two fish that the disciples had found at that time. With the five barley loaves, Jesus performed a miracle of feeding the five thousand people.
In performing such a wondrous miracle Jesus used those small barley loaves. However, when Jesus held the simple meal in His hands, a miracle occurred―the five thousand people all ate and were satisfied, and there were twelve basketfuls left over. Considering these Biblical records, we have to recognize and remember that we, though weak and small, can do everything when we are held in God’s mighty hand.
David the little shepherd boy defeated the huge giant Goliath
David was a shepherd boy who watched over a flock of sheep in the field.
Nobody paid any attention to him. However, when he was held in God’s hand as His instrument, he defeated the huge giant Goliath and displayed God’s great glory.
1 Sa 17:42-51 『He looked David over and saw that he was only a boy, ruddy and handsome, and he despised him . . . David said to the Philistine, “You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the LORD Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied . . . and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel. All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the LORD saves; for the battle is the LORD’s, and he will give all of you into our hands.” . . . David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet him. Reaching into his bag and taking out a stone, he slung it and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone sank into his forehead, and he fell facedown on the ground . . . He took hold of the Philistine’s sword and drew it from the scabbard. After he killed him, he cut off his head with the sword. When the Philistines saw that their hero was dead, they turned and ran.』
Even King Saul, a veteran fighter, and his generals and soldiers trembled in fear because of Goliath and just listened to him speak blasphemous words against God. Then the young boy David indignantly and courageously went out against Goliath. He was not trained for battle, nor was he used to wearing armor. When Goliath saw the young boy without armor―only with his sling in his hand, Goliath made fun of him. How much did he despise him?
David came against Goliath not with sword and spear; he did not rely upon his own wisdom and strength, but upon God as an instrument in His hand.
This is the way we are to go. The greatest person in the world is the one held in God’s hand. Like David, we are to be an instrument in God’s hand, being filled with the Holy Spirit, and go to the ends of the earth. Then we shall be
able to defeat all the forces of evil and accomplish the gospel.
However, if we go out to preach the word, depending upon our knowledge of the Bible and our own ability to persuade, no one will hear us. Preaching the gospel does not depend on human wisdom and ability.
If God uses us, just as He used David and used the staff of Moses, no one can be against us and nothing is impossible for us. The Biblical history clearly shows that.
Go out, as God’s instrument
God ha chosen us, who are weak and feeble, and let us fulfill everything by His powerful word, not by our finite ability. He has accomplished His great works by using the lowly, foolish and despised. Though we have many inadequacies, if we are willing to obey the word of God, many doors will be opened to us.
Let us not become like lazy and foolish children whose feet do not move with the gospel. God told us, “Give the people warning from Me.” Unless we go out and awaken the world, we can not obtain favorable results. What if Moses had not gone out with his staff? And what if David had not gone out to fight Goliath? Would they have been able to accomplish God’s great work?
No one can stop us if we courageously go out into the world in the name of the Spirit and the Bride—God Almighty in the age of the Holy Spirit, like David went out in the name of the LORD Almighty. With absolute faith in God who holds us in His hand, let’s overcome the world and accomplish God’s will as His faithful instruments.
Now the gospel is spreading widely throughout the world, even to the ends of the earth. Let us not just watch David defeat Goliath but go out like David, who went up against Goliath and threw a stone from his sling at him with all his strength. Children of Zion! As an instrument in God’s hand like David, let’s go out together to accomplish God’s will and win a glorious victory
By: Bell on November 16, 2011
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Nowadays, the members of Zion are diligently preaching the truth even in far-off countries overseas where the gospel has not yet reached. They are leaving truly meaningful footprints in time which never returns if it passes by. Even in various difficult circumstances, they are all leading many souls into the arms of Father and Mother. By doing that, they are writing the”New Acts” with their touching emotions and beautiful actions, which no other novelist can write. How beautiful are the feet of those who bring the good news.
Of course, the members of Zion in our own country are also participating in overseas missions by praying together with one mind for those who are preaching overseas, from early in the morning. I believe this is also a beautiful act of faith to participate in the gospel work Father and Mother are accomplishing.
When we look at the people described in the Bible, some received the blessing of eternal life as the result of living for the gospel, while others reached eternal destruction after living according to their own desires. There were the forefathers of faith like David and Apostles Peter and Paul, who had set the beautiful examples of the life of faith for us to follow, whereas there were also foolish people like Judas Iscariot, who ruined his life because of a moment’s wrong decision, and like Demas who loved the world and deserted the truth.
Yesterday never returns, and today is the same. Let’s take a look at the forefathers of faith who had lived a wonderful life for the gospel, and think about how to live our life more meaningfully.
Apostle Paul who had lived a life without regrets in the gospel
Apostle Paul knew intuitively that the time had come for him to leave this world after finishing his mission on this earth. So, when writing a letter to Timothy, Paul said he was proud that he had lived a valuable and meaningful life without any regret or shame.
2 Ti 4:6-8 『For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time has come for my departure. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.』
Whenever I read these verses, I truly envy the life of Paul who was able to confidently say that he had no regrets because if he lived, he lived for the Lord, and if he died, he would die for the Lord. I hope all of us also live a wonderful life which will be recorded so beautifully.
We have only one life to live. Since we cannot live any moment of our life twice, we should spend the time given to us more meaningfully for God and for the eternal kingdom of heaven. Let’s listen more to the Apostle Paul who ran the path of righteousness to the fullest without any regrets and kept the faith till the end.
2 Ti 4:1-5 『”In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction . . . But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.”』
Paul recommended that we should always make efforts to do the meaningful work of preaching the Word. We cannot turn back time that has already passed, so we must not have the thought: ‘I’d like to do worldly things to my heart’s content and then do the gospel work when I gain some composure in life.’ Our life is too short to waste time on worthless things. Let us do our best to live a life without any shame before God when we look back at every moment of our life.
In order for us to be able to say that we have walked the path of faith without regrets, as Paul did, when we stand before God after our life on this earth, we must not conform any longer to the pattern of this world but only think about what God’s will is and willingly obey God’s word all the time, as children of heaven.
Ro 12:1-3 『Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. . . .』
While pursuing the same values as the people of the world, we cannot live a life without regrets before God. If we live our life pursuing worldly things, we are just like the person who feels thirsty and drinks seawater; the seawater causes him to feel more thirsty. Likewise, the more our earthly desires are satisfied, the more thirsty we feel.
However, the water of life, which God gives us, never makes us feel thirsty again once we drink it. Our members in Zion are experiencing joy and happiness through this water of life, and they realize the feeling of joy and happiness cannot be replaced by anything else in the world. I hope all people living in our time will feel this joy and happiness together.
Let us all plan to live our one and only life for the eternal gospel of the kingdom of God, so our life can be wonderful. We need to throw away the thought, ‘I will do it when my circumstances permit,’ or, ‘I will start tomorrow.’ Only those who have the will to start”right now” can do this work and make their life beautiful.
The mission of Joshua and a lesson from it
The Bible has many records about the life and work of the forefathers who walked the wonderful and beautiful path of faith by the grace of God. One of them is Joshua, who carried out his mission with all his heart and soul in obedience to the will of God.
Joshua became the leader of Israel after the death of Moses. When he arrived in the promised land of Canaan flowing with milk and honey, he waged war against the Canaanites to conquer their land and to divide it by lot to each tribe of Israel. Let’s look at the history of the fall of Jericho, which served as a prelude to the conquest of Canaan in accordance with the guidance of God.
Jos 6:1-16 『Now Jericho was tightly shut up because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in. Then the LORD said to Joshua,”See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men. March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days . . . On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets. When you hear them sound a long blast on the trumpets, have all the people give a loud shout; then the wall of the city will collapse . . .” . . . But Joshua had commanded the people,”Do not give a war cry, do not raise your voices, do not say a word until the day I tell you to shout. Then shout!” . . . On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times. The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the people,”Shout! For the LORD has given you the city!”』
The God-given strategy to conquer the fortified city of Jericho was to shout all at once the moment they were told to”shout.” By obeying the word of God, the Israelites experienced the miracle of Jericho falling down before their very eyes, and they won a victory (Jos 6:20).
Prophetically, we are now in the same situation. The shout which the Israelites gave just before the fall of Jericho is just like the shout that the people of Zion, who have been sent to every region of the world, are giving to lead many souls to repentance before the fall of the spiritual Babylon. The parade of the members who shout the truth of the new covenant will continue towards the whole world, so that there will not even be a single country which the message of the gospel has not been preached to.
Our path is not smooth all the time. Just as the people of Jericho shut the gates of the fortress tightly because they were afraid of the Israelites, the devil in the invisible spiritual world will try to hinder the truth by every means possible because he is afraid that the glory of God will shine bright throughout the world.
However, the water of life is now continuously flowing all over the world, just as it is impossible to stop water flowing once the embankment bursts. Since the members are participating in the gospel with a resolution to live their one and only life for the gospel, even those with weak faith are moved and awakened, so they are now shouting together with one voice. Through the history of the time of Joshua, let’s look into the status of the gospel in this age, so that we can fully carry out our God-given mission.
Joshua who followed God’s will till the end
Even after conquering Jericho, Joshua continued to follow God’s will; he drove out many emigrant peoples from Canaan and distributed the conquered land among the tribes of Israel. As he had a premonition of his death after finishing his mission on this earth, he lastly taught the Israelites never to leave God.
Jos 23:1-11 『After a long time had passed and the LORD had given Israel rest from all their enemies around them, Joshua, by then old and well advanced in years, summoned all Israel—their elders, leaders, judges and officials—and said to them:”I am old and well advanced in years . . . you will take possession of their land, as the LORD your God promised you. Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or to the left . . . do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them . . . So be very careful to love the LORD your God.”』
Jos 24:14-18 『”Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD . . . But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.” Then the people answered,”Far be it from us to forsake the LORD to serve other gods! It was the LORD our God himself who brought us and our fathers up out of Egypt, from that land of slavery, and performed those great signs before our eyes. He protected us on our entire journey and among all the nations through which we traveled . . . We too will serve the LORD, because he is our God.”』
Joshua declared that he would serve only Jehovah until the last moment. He was always with God throughout his lifetime. And in his last will to the Israelites, he asked them not to foolishly lose eternal things while worshiping idols or pursuing worldly wealth or fame, which is vain and meaningless, but to live their lives given by God meaningfully. He lived a true life of faith without any regrets, always walking with God.
It was not only Joshua who lived such a faithful life. Apostle Paul devoted his whole life to preaching the gospel with a determination to live only for God and to nestle in His everlasting arms. So did the warriors of Gideon, Daniel and his friends—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. Moreover, the saints of the early Church kept the faith without even fearing death and without yielding to any threat. They all lived a truly meaningful and rewarding life.
Let us overcome hardship and live a life for the gospel without regrets
Life is given only once. Judas Iscariot, who took a wrong step in life and followed the devious way, finally ended up in irretrievable and eternal destruction. If he had been given one more chance in life, he would not have made the same mistake again. However, there was no more opportunity for him.
Even though the apostles, including Peter and Paul, walked the path of the gospel in the midst of hardship and affliction, they continued to follow Jesus’ words,”You have to take your cross and follow Me in order to be worthy of Me,” and as a result, they had no regrets in their life just before their death. They were confident that there was now in store for them the crown of righteousness in heaven because they had fought the good fight to the fullest and finished the race of faith by helping many souls repent and leading them into the arms of God. So they testified that they had lived their lives without any regrets even though they had gone through many dangers.
2 Co 11:24-30 『Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked . . . If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.』
The life of Apostle Paul was a series of many dangers and hardships just as he confessed. In spite of the repeated sufferings, he walked with God till the end, so he was able to smile in the last moments of his life.
During his one and only life, Paul made a gracious choice to proceed toward the eternal glory of heaven and ran diligently toward the goal. Like Paul and many forefathers of faith, we should also live a meaningful life, so that we will not have any regrets when we go to heaven. For this, let us pray fervently and try our hardest.
God has given us a precious and good way—a once-in-a-life-time opportunity. Even if we took our first step of faith without realizing it fully, the path we are on is the way to the kingdom of heaven, the way to eternal life and salvation, and the way to the glorious future.
There will be nothing more rewarding than being able to live our one and only life fully for the glory of Elohim and to end our life on this earth in God’s grace while proclaiming the glory of Jerusalem to the whole world. Father and Mother have granted us the opportunity to awaken all people around the world with the truth and lead them to salvation, starting with our neighbors. I earnestly ask you, people of Zion, to renew your mind by looking ahead into the glorious future of the kingdom of heaven and to live your one and only life faithfully for the gospel.
By: Bell on November 16, 2011
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Honestly speaking, I have encountered the same unfortunate thing.
I was talking with my landlord when two koreans came.
They asked if they could ask us survey questions for a homework. We obligingly agreed. Then, showed us videos. The girl asked my number. I gave my number immediately because she might need follow up on her project. I have also experience survey-type homeworks and it is hard.
The next day, she came along with her three friends. I happily entertained them.We looked for a bakeshop where we could sit. They said that they want to show a video to me. Since they promised that it would only be 30 minutes, I agreed. Got tons of things to do. But I ended up being with them for 4 hours. I just came from school and im very tired.
I easily got their idea and got interested with the “God the Mother.” It is a new theory to me. I am a reader. I read ecumenical books and stuff, whether approve or against my current religion. She asked if she could see me again. I said yes. However, she didn’t arrive on our agreed day.
The next week, she asked if I was free on Tuesday but I declined since I have new business and I have appointments on that day. She agreed on Wednesday.
On wednesday, i squeezed in my class schedules and business appointments just for her. She promised that her Filipina friend would come and explain everything clearly to me. I changed to my ‘house clothes’ and went to her. Her friend was not around. I thought that we are coming back to the bakeshop and talk about God the Mother again but, she got a taxi and motioned to go on. I was not scared ’cause I know that she is not harmful. However, I was shocked, she didn’t told me that we are going to her church. I was wearing my ‘house clothes.’
When we arrived, there were other people. She motioned me upstairs and there, the wife of their pastor, lectured me regarding God the Mother. I understood and was very happy with their principles. Direct praying; passover; bible study.
it was 8pm already and I have stayed more than the one-hour promise, the girl said to me. But I stayed more since I don’t want to offend them.
The wife of the pastor asked me if I believe in God, I said, “Yes.” Then, she motioned me downstairs and brought me to a bathroom. The girl asked me to take my clothes off and wore a blue robe. I dont know what’s going on. I asked the girl why. She said that I am going to be baptized. God! I was told that RELIGION DOES NOT MATTER that’s why I liked them an hour ago. I hesitantly did as told and the pastor bathed me with water.
After I dressed up back.
It was already 9pm and my brother has already texted me that he wants to eat dinner but they wont let me go home. The place where their church is a dangerous place and I only brought 100.00. My brother cannot eat nor come inside our home since I have the key to our home. I was promised one hour only and I could leave the key to anyone. (my bro is still at school)
I ate something white and drank wine. after they let me write my name and watched some videos. They asked me for dinner. I refused since my brother is waiting but they wont let me. I ate their food. They gave me a whole big fish with very little rice!
They asked if I was free on Saturday but I refused since I have to meet my mother, prepare for a marathon and follow-up my business. They lectured me regarding the Sabbath Day. I grew uninterested. They would fetch me and said that if I go to the Sabbath Day, I will receive blessings. They have a service and they said THEY ARE NOT A RELIGION JUST PEOPLE PREACHING ABOUT THE MOTHER OF GOD.
After, the wife of the pastor left to get something. I asked the Filipina about a picture on the wall of their dining area, she said that the lady on a native korean outfit was GOD THE MOTHER.
so, the next savior is a KOREAN and aging?
I begin to doubt. It is like a racist type of prophecy.
I like the thought that they are working hard for them to get many people but RELIGION IS NOT FORCED. BELIEVING IS NOT JUST MATTER OF 3 DAYS OF MEETING.
I changed my number. I don’t like liars.
By: ruth on December 3, 2011
at 2:21 pm
All the glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother Jerusalem for allowing us to preach the truth around the world. Now, there are so many disasters everywhere in the world: wars between nations, ethnic conflicts, terrors, famines, earthquakes, and deadly cold or heat or flood caused by changes in weather patterns. Whenever such things occur, people tremble with fear, not knowing who or what they should set their hearts on.
The Bible already prophesied about the coming disasters and what people would do in the day of such disasters.
Am 9:2-9 “Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, … Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, … Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea, … ”
As described in the above prophecy, people desperately try to hide themselves anywhere, because they come to face terrible disasters which men cannot endure. The above prophecy is not about what happened in the days of Amos the prophet about 2,800 years ago, but what will occur in the great and dreadful day of the LORD, at the Last Judgment.
Men cannot escape the last plagues by their own methods
Modern people, who live in the age of the high-tech science, feel fear about the coming disasters and the end of mankind, and they try to find various ways to escape from the disasters. They make every effort to find refuge underground or at the bottom of the sea or on a planet outside the earth so that they may escape the threat of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating all life on earth many times over. An atomic submarine for hiding themselves at the bottom of the sea, a spaceship for climbing up to the heavens, … , such various methods are being discussed. According to a press report, America has constructed a large bunker beneath the White House at Mount Weather; and there is said to be ninety-nine underground cities in various places, as a provision for emergency.
However, the Bible clearly says that even by using the modern scientific methods, no one can escape God’s fierce anger. It also says that the last disaster will come upon all the earth, not just upon parts of it.
Lk 21:35 “For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. ”
Isa 24:3-13 “The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. … So will it be on the earth and among the nations, … ”
Now, let’s see how the disaster comes upon every nation all over the world.
2 Pe 3:7-10 “By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. … But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.”
The Bible says that God will use fire for His judgment. So the disaster, which will come upon the whole world, is fire. When the day comes, the heavens will be destroyed by fire and all things will be burnt up and melt in the heat. The day will be a day of distress; even the warriors will tremble with fear and cry out bitterly.
However, God has prepared a way to escape the disaster when such dreadful day comes. He has made the way-the good news of salvation-known to us. We can get it only through the Bible, not through any high-tech equipment developed by scientists.
Passover is the way to escape the disaster
Let’s take a careful look at God’s word of promise to let us escape any disaster.
Ex 12:11-14 “… it is the LORD’s Passover. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn-both men and animals … The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. … ”
At the time of the Exodus, when the plague of destroying every firstborn was brought upon Egypt, no plague befell to the Israeli houses which kept the Passover. In other words, the plague passed over them. Thus, Passover (pascha in Greek, pesach in Hebrew) implies “Plagues pass over.”
Such a history was written as a warning for us. Faithless Israel didn’t believe in the power of the Passover. However, Judah regarded the Passover as important and celebrated it. Through the history of Israel and of Judah, we come to realize how truly important the Passover is.
Hezekiah king of Judah read all the words of the covenant, which had been found in the temple of the LORD when it was being repaired and restored. He realized the covenant of God and sent couriers to all Judah and Israel so that they might celebrate the Passover which had not been kept for a long time. When the couriers delivered the king’s command to “come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover,” Israel scorned and ridiculed them, and several years later it fell to Assyria (2 Ki 18:9-12). However, Judah celebrated the Passover holy and could repulse the attack of powerful Assyria with God’s mighty power (2 Ch 30:1-27; 2 Ki 18:13-19:37).
In these last days, there are two groups of people: one group who will receive terrible plagues, and the other who will escape them with God’s help.
Rev 7:1-4 “After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth … another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. … “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
The only way to escape the last plagues is to receive the seal of God. Then, what is the seal of God? The Bible prophesies that the blood of the Passover lamb will be a sign for God’s people so that they may escape the last plagues. In other words, the blood of the Passover lamb is ‘the seal of God’ through which God’s people can be saved.
At the time of the Exodus, the Israelites could be saved from the terrible plague of destroying every firstborn, by putting the blood of a year-old Passover lamb on their door posts and eating the meat. The Passover lamb of the Old Testament represents Jesus.
1 Co 5:7-8 “… For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival,…
No one can escape the last plagues without ‘the blood of Jesus Christ’ who is the Passover Lamb.
When the angels, who are given power to harm, let go of their hold on the wind [war], the terrible disasters [the last plagues] will come upon this earth (Rev 7:1-3). To make the last plagues pass over His people, God places His ‘seal’ on His children’s foreheads. The ‘seal of God’ is the seal of salvation through which God’s people can escape the disasters.
Eze 9:4-6 “and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it. … Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.”
Whom did God order the destroying angels to begin with? He told them to begin with the elders [leaders] of the false churches, who do not have the mark-the seal of God, the blood of the Passover Lamb-on their foreheads.
Considering the prophecies of the Bible, we are now living in the days of the last plagues. God is awakening us, His children, to the fact that we can escape the plagues only through the ‘seal of God.’ He shows us that His sealing work will arise from the east and spread to the west.
Rev 7:2 “Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God.”
When Apostle John received the revelation on the island of Patmos, he saw an angel ascending from the rising of the sun. This implies that God’s sealing work is to begin in the east.
God seals us as His own children
When we celebrate the Passover, God abides in us, and we in Him (Jn 6:56; 15:4-8). As we dwell in God, we belong to Him.
2 Co 1:21-22 “Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He … set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.”
God has set His seal on us to be marked as ‘His own.’ Let’s see what blessings God gives us, His own.
Isa 43:1-3 “O Jacob, … : “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. … When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. … ”
God has made us His own by putting His seal on us through the Passover. He has firmly promised to protect us from any destructive disasters. God is now calling His children, living in the days of disasters, to celebrate the Passover and escape the last plagues.
Before the angels, who are holding back the four winds, let go of their hold, we should preach the Passover of the new covenant-the seal of God-to the whole world, as the couriers of the good news of salvation.
Brothers and sisters in Zion! Let’s give thanks to God for making us His very own, His treasured possession. We must all take part in God’s salvation work in this age.
By: Bell on December 5, 2011
at 6:31 pm
this world mission church of god ruin my happy family.
how can you call this a ‘church’. it is a cult focusing on recruiting member.
By: koreaman on December 23, 2011
at 2:30 am
1) Cults Claim to Have all Knowing leadership:
John 21:17 {the third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.}
2) Cults only teach you up to what you are able to believe:
Hebrews 5:11 {We much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.}
3) Cults claim no room for differences (Everybody is the same):
Colossians 3:11 {Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.}
4) Cults claim to introduce a new and better way:
Hebrews 7:18-19 {the former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.}
5) Cult members should imitate cult leader:
Philippians 2:5 {your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus}
Also Colossians 3:11 of example 3.
6) Cults isolate you from your family:
Matthew 10:37 {anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me}
7) Cults Brainwash ignorant and people who have no critical thinking.
Acts 4:13 {when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.}
8) Cults Recruit people:
Mk 16:15-16 {He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned}
9) Cults always claim Persecution of the Leader:
Acts 22:6-8 {“About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.}
10) Cults have ignorant leaders:
John 7:14-16 {Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”}
11) Cults try to keep members busy:
Acts 2:46-47 {every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
12) Cult leaders always try to gain your trust:
John 14:1 {“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me}
13) Cults believe that by your actions you prove your faith:
James 2:17 {in the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, Is dead.}
14) Cults claim salvation is through obedience before the end comes:
Matthew 24:42 {“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.}
15) Cults make members dependant to the cult leader:
John 15:5 {“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.}
16) Cults claim that there is no exit apart from the cult:
John 6:67-68 {“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.}
17) Cult members claim to have “Spiritual Battles”:
Ephesians 6:12 {for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.}
18) Cults try to keep things secret:
Matthew 17:9 {As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”}
19) Cult leaders claim to be the only way, and supreme authority:
John 14:6 {Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.}
And for the sake of space and time, I omitted the teachings of: Judaism, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Copernicus, Galileo…etc.
If we are going to judge groups and organizations by these standards, then every single organization and religion is a cult. We should not judge the Church of God by these standards, rather we should see if the teachings that the Church practices come from God or not. To label the World Mission Society Church of God as a cult is no different from when the Jewish religious leaders called the Apostles a Nazarene sect. Please don’t commit the same mistake as 2,000 years ago.
By: Bell on December 24, 2011
at 4:06 pm
Over 2000 years ago, at the time of tyranny and oppression of the Israelites in Rome was suffering. For them the Bible is prophecy, the Messiah came to free us give them that suffering only hope was the driving force that sustains life. They pray for the Messiah for many years and endure the oppression of Rome has been waiting for. However, the Messiah, Jesus Christ, when he came before them, the people of Israel, so eager were they to reject the Messiah was crucified motbakat:
to the people of Israel, he meant that God was above all their lives. Life is gonna throw novelties bend. Faith than they cherish their lives to God is crucified. How did they do such a great authority in the cause of it unless you know exactly that today, in this era, even if God had come back again, those people will have no choice but to commit sin is.
Almighty God, who came to
To learn more about this problem, first you must have a study of Jesus. What do you do with the root of Jesus through the Bible let’s take a look at: Goal 1, Section 13-18, “… all things he (Christ) in heaven and on earth, the changjodoedoe things visible and invisible, and the subjective or rulers or powers, or counselors or malmiamgo him or for him all things were created by it … ” He created all things yisyeotseupnida God. Almighty God incarnate presence’ll speak in the name of Jesus on this earth who will. Inside my head, but at the time of Israel in God deeply embedded stereotypes were wrong. He said that they think if you get one thing straight handsome light the heavens and the earth cracked and Battered by a storm and the whirlwind of God’s power was with Moses, the Israelites 3,500 years ago to open when you draw them into an unbelievable paranormal Egyptians seoneulke people chatting syeotgie exact replica of those worn by God as his Messiah come to the center of the earth if you like of course to the presence of such an honor had been expect. Today, all Christians, even ‘God’ as it is true that when you evoke such a look: the divinity of Jesus, the Apostle John wrote the following about: John Chapter 1, Section 1-14: “In the beginning was the word the Word was with God, and the Word was God he was in the beginning with God gyesyeotgo things made by him Now that was built is nothing without him become NIV … he’s the world were you and the world made by him doeeoteudoe the world knew him ohmae was not his own land, but not the people youngjeopji … the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, that we honor the Father’s only Son, I (Jesus), the glory, full of grace and truth of the planet, ” religious people at the time of Jesus “Let there be light ‘light jonjaeke hasimeuro exact replica of those worn by the Creator God coming Messiah would be able to learn quickly if you were confident. However, they welcome the God who created the world failed. Rather, he came on earth to kill God, I passed with hate of him, rejecting extreme has only ten thousand of the angels of God slowly penetration – I do not know If you’ve met her majesty’s no way that does not appear while. Israel in the minds of people like those of God’s will was being held on a regular teulroseo place. Contrary to stereotypes, but they, like Christ to the creature than the angels who have come to this earth. Hebrews Chapter 2, Section 6-8, “… what factors do you counsel me, hast thou this generous than the angels for a moment let me hasimyeo ssuiwoosimyeo tube with glory and honor of all things under his feet hath bokjongke … ” than the angels did not like the children of Israel how God could have imagined, would you? God Himself came to the baby, they spit smacked a fist. In the temple of God, looking for the hard work of people that do not fit into the framework of his thought, God has been thoroughly rejected. No way let God than the angels come not feel like I was at Riga. As Jesus looks on their feet than the angels who did not believe brothers and relatives catch a crazy thought that has to do so at the time did not believe in Christ, to believe the word has been highlighted many times. If anyone was easy to believe in Christ, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,” he would have a need to witness? “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ” in the word so difficult to believe in Christ means that are included. At the time depicted in the minds of people who come to God is actually God’s image and appearance is so because there’s a big difference. I understand the situation when I left to accept Christ, Viva, and ten thousand ohms gamchwieotdeon secret from Christ, you can agree with the phrase: Goal 1, Section 26-27, “a secret from the ten thousand and three and ten thousand ohms gamchwi geotinde had now appeared to the saints … The secret of his Christ in you the hope of glory shall 시니 ” Colossians Chapter 2 Section 2-3, “… He tried to realize the secret of Christ hamyira in them all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge gamchwieo one standing by, ” the reporters all the prophets and the gospel of Christ was God who made everything in heaven and earth is the evidence (Isaiah Chapter 9, Section 6, Chapter 1, Section 16 goals, John Chapter 1 Verse 1). That God came to this earth by those who believe in God doesin executions will reject Jesus in the Bible had been written at the time because of the history of what Considered? Everything that was there before we would have been recorded for the lesson (Romans Chapter 15, Section 4). World, people still come to God is not gonna look worse than one thousand and four of the stereotyping that has been with the Second Coming of Christ appearing to look wonderful and terrible is waiting for his thoughts on God, I will l have beat the framework. We believe God is still almighty Since God, the Almighty, as well as to come see the same people may come in the guise of. Virgin’s body may come in the guise of people borrowing and through the flesh of the parent may come to this earth. Created a framework put self-centered if you want to accept Christ Second Coming were accepting Christ, you can not never.
I believe in their God, do not
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our eyes look yellow pom-poms consider. Obviously for us, but one eye, yellow to white, was seen as punishment for an eye is red. Then our eyes to see the true colors of pom-poms could you say that? Our sense of confidence that we can not believe how much do you? The body of the Earth’s orbit about the planet now feel nothing but an hour at a speed of 108,000 km is running. With so much to do so, even though unaware of their eyes, most people only feel a sense of right and wrong for yourself oleumyeo the only two I think they think is right, only the frame. How silly is it?
our senses can not discern true and false to include God “pandanchi do anything until the coming of Christ” (I Corinthians Chapter 4, Section 5) and found Yet the world each his own way, people will interpret the Bible released. And I’m right and you geureudago jeomada claims. Even God is not the truth, I can assure you they are called
(woman) How much is going on? Only his eyes that’s all We will not be believed. I do not make the frame of spirit knows how to properly view the Bible (灵眼) will need to ask for. Were accepting of my thoughts wholly teulroneun Christ is not possible to
look into some perspective, Christians do not understand correctly? Are the end of faith, the salvation of souls have been saved from the perspective of someone looking to Christ for salvation, it will look. Salvation at Christ let people borrow your eyes. Revelation Chapter 14, Section 1-5, “And behold I saw the Lamb on Mount Zion stood with him one hundred forty-four thousand and two had guard … earned one hundred forty-four thousand redeemed of the earth They did not learn this song by inbakeneun neunghi … ” salvation in terms of one hundred forty-four thousand of Christ Zion I, sire. Looking for Zion of Zion, to know how you can find Christ. Include the perspective of someone outside of Zion, which can not never were accepting Christ. Say this, that in this church and the church should not be overlooked in terms of highs Bible. The Bible according to an individual’s claim We will never overlooked. Of insects, including bees, not the eyes or the eyes of animals, people look to the eyes of the pom-poms in yellow when it looks right. Going on around us do not understand this mystery of God can not understand not. God’s providential creation made billionaire, is something of minutes to understand the Bible is to be understood. Plot of the weirdest characters in the word of God, which is surrounded limited human thinking and hoping to see a short knowledge do you have no choice but to commit errors.
Meet the secret of the secret of Christ in Zion
Revelation Chapter 14 Inside Word is Christ in Zion were you. Zion, where one hundred forty-four thousand yigie Lamb and the saints who are saved with the information that the first thing we’ll find it at: four Chapter 33 Section 20-24, “We keep the feast of Zion’s majestic castle there, behold, Jehovah is with us and shall during the … Daejeo Please Lord, our Lord is the judge we’ve set the law of the king’s your jasiyo the Lord save us, we shall … ” Zion was a place to keep the right season. God dwells with his people that the judge in Zion Please, Please minutes’ve set the law, the king an account activation. Between the king and the people in the world ruled by law as being a tool of the King of Zion, to God’s law governing the corporation is the new covenant. Foreign laws vary from country to country that does not easily adapted to the laws of the country as the law of God Zion sewoosin the world rather than God’s people who can not easily follow. This is because the people, because those countries. God in Zion when your last day of the proclamation of the law (末日) is a (U.S. Chapter 4 Section 1). A lot of people on the last day of salvation will be walking to find a way to Zion, when the referee who does not know the law of Zion in Zion sewoosin Act (the new covenant) will be judged by. Without it he does not know how to dwell in Zion, to the judgment are bound to come up with will neatly frame of mind haechehae abandon the Bible according to the guidance of the Bible, only that the evidence will need to meet God. The grace of God in Zion bepusi and what a blessing Let’s look at 132 for 13-14 clause “of Zion taekhasigo Lord, saying to his residence to establish the machine to rest forever, it’s because I do this thing where I dwell Well endures wanted ” section at 1-3 133, “How much hamyi brothers living the good ahreumdaungo united … in the mountains of Zion naerim heolmonui same dew hath commanded there, came to bless the Lord endures eternal life,” God so He picks the Zion sigo they tried to shelter them from the eternal blessing of Zion cheosoin prophecies tell me that you are allowed. From the perspective of the people of Zion was a big secret of secrets, who need to learn and can receive Christ. Only those in the corridors of Zion, eternal life can be. God dwells in Zion, Zion, these lovely little touch of the eyes, according to the standard view from the point of view has given us all right, admit it: God lays hidden secret of the secret where you can realize Christ is the only Zion. Those of us who dwell in Zion, God gave the blessing of eternal life in heaven has given into an invitation to go. How rare and precious is the invitation? scattered among the nations, you can recognize the spirit of Christ, yet that did not have brothers and sisters. They also come to India as soon as Zion, the mystery of God to come to Christ, Help support, open your eyes. Thus, drives them to join the ranks of salvation with us, let’s make. God’s invitation to come to heaven by dividing diligently praised God for giving back to the heavenly homeland hope that you and me.
By: Bell on December 25, 2011
at 9:34 pm
WMS CHURCH OF GOD OKLAHOMA CITY BRANCH HI MY SPIRITUAL BROTHERS AND SISTERS !!!! GIVE HONOR, GLORY, AND THANKS ONLY TO OUR ELOHIM GOD!!!
By: LEARSI-WMSCOG on December 29, 2011
at 3:12 am
A promise is a commitment by someone to do or not to do something. It is made between two parties. So, every promise has two sides: that of the giver and that of the receiver. The Bible, consisting of 66 books, contains a multitude of God’s promises to His people—the promises made between God and mankind.
The Old Testament is the old covenant given by God to the Hebrew people, and the New Testament is the new cov- enant given by God to us. No one can change this promise of God—not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen—or replace it with anything else. So, the Bible tells us never to add to or take away from the words of promise between God and us (Rev 22:18-19). It is God’s promises that we aim to preach to all people in the world.
Letting them know the promises of God, including the promise of blessing and the promise of the eternal kingdom of heaven—this is preaching. Now many of our members of Zion are going out into the whole country and the entire world. When we go out to preach the gospel, we just need to think about what promises God has given us and believe those promises and put them into practice. Now let us carefully examine God’s promises in the Bible, so we can walk the path of faith with a firm belief in the promises of God.
“I will help you” The ceremonial rituals for baptism and worship, preaching, prayer, singing new songs, and so on—all these things we perform now contain God’s certain promises. We, the people of God, believe the promises of God and proceed on the path of faith. God’s promises are being fulfilled exactly on this earth. However, as a promise is made between two parties, there are things that we must do in the process where the promises of God are being fulfilled.
There are the words of God that we have not fully preached yet, and there are still our brothers and sisters who have not come back into the truth because they have not been able to listen to God’s words of promise. We should all keep the promises of God in mind and gain courage and strength, so that all of God’s promises can be fulfilled and we will be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Isa 41:8-10『“But you, O Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend, I took you from the ends of the earth, from its farthest corners I called you. I said, ‘You are my servant’; I have chosen you and have not rejected you. So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.”』
Isa 43:1-7『. . . “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior . . . Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’ Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth—everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”』
When we examine the prophecies carefully, it is an undeniable fact that we are to encounter fearful situations in preaching the gospel. God said, “I will help you.” This implies that there are many things we cannot do by ourselves. However, God promised that He would be with us in any and all situations and gather together all the dispersed members of the heavenly family.
This is the promise made by Father and Mother. If we believe in God, we must believe God’s promises, too. God never breaks a promise.
There is a big difference in results between the person who believes God’s promises and carries out the gospel work and the person who doesn’t. God, who can do everything, is always with us and gives us strength and courage. Even when we walk in the path of darkness, God protects and leads us. We must not forget this.
If you feel that an invisible wall is blocking the way, please look to the promises of God. When we believe God’s promises and carry out the gospel work, asking God for help all the time, every footstep we take will bring forth a beautiful result.
Mt 28:18-20『Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”』
Our Elohim, who has all authority in heaven and earth, has promised to be with us always, to the very end of the age. So, we should trust the promises of God who helps us and gives us strength to accomplish the gospel work.
God never changes His promises
God has promised to be with us and to strengthen and help us. Nevertheless, sometimes we are seized with a vague fear and impatience, which makes us think too much into things. We do not need to depend on our own ability or rely on others. All we have to do is preach the gospel fervently as God has told us to, no matter what situation or circumstance we are in. If we do so, God will surely open all doors for us. God’s promises never change.
Heb 6:17-18『Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.』
God is unchangeable in His purpose for the heirs of what was promised. No one can change any of God’s promises arbitrarily. These unchangeable promises of God lead us to the eternal world, where we will shine like the stars forever and ever.
Da 12:1-3『At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.』
“Those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars for ever and ever.” This is the promise of God and it is what pleases our Heavenly Father and Mother the most. They want us, Their children, to receive the glory of shining like the stars rather than to find ourselves ashamed before the angels. That is why They have given us the mission of preaching the gospel and the opportunities for it as well.
This mission and the opportunities given to us will come to an end someday. In the parable of the ten virgins, they had a limited amount of time to prepare to meet the bridegroom. Once the door was shut, it never opened again, no matter how desperately they knocked on the door and cried out for the Lord to open it for them, because the prophesied time came to an end (Mt 25:1-13).
Perfect faith in God’s promises
We believe all the promises of God, including the promise to be with us to the very end of the age and the promise to help us.
God has also given us the ability to lead many to righteousness and salvation. However, opportunities never come to those who just wait without any effort. God gives opportunities to those who work hard, seek earnestly and make every effort, and fulfills all the promises of blessings to them.
Ro 4:18-22『Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead. Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.”』
Abraham was blessed to be called the “father of faith,” because he did not doubt the promise of God. Although he was 100 years old and Sarah was also very old, he absolutely believed the promise that God made to him: “I will multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven.” This absolute faith of Abraham serves as a good example of faith for us today.
Everything God has promised is to be fulfilled without fail. The gospel will also be surely accomplished because God has promised that it will be preached to Samaria and to the ends of the earth. God is so faithful that He has personally prepared everything for us and opens people’s eyes, ears and minds wherever the gospel is preached.
Now we are moving according to the trumpet sound of prophecy. Those who turn a deaf ear to the trumpet of prophecy, no matter how loud it sounds, are no different than Esau who did not realize the value of the blessing which God had promised. God’s promised blessings are given only to those who move according to the voice of prophecy—those who believe the promises of God absolutely and put them into practice.
Jas 2:5『Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?』
God has promised to give the eternal kingdom of heaven as an inheritance to those who love Him. In order to go to the promised kingdom of God, we must be guided by God’s promises.
Whenever we have a hard time, let us open the Bible and take a look at the promises of God, which are contained in the 66 books. Then we will realize that God has promised us a brilliant and glorious world, which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived.
This promise is not made by an untrustworthy person or someone who cannot keep his promises. It is the promise made by God Almighty who is unchangeable in His promises and fulfills them without fail. God has promised to be with us and help us wherever we go. Let us not forget this gracious promise of God, and proceed towards the everlasting kingdom of heaven by depending on that promise.
Those who put God’s promises into practice will win the promised future God has given us such amazing and brilliant promises. However, the promises are ineffective for those who do not put them into practice; they have an effect on those who follow them. The Bible says that our faith is dead unless we put God’s promises into action.
Jas 2:17-26『In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. . . . You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. . . . You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. . . . As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.』
As stated above, faith without action is dead. How can fruit be borne from the dead? How can a dead tree bloom flowers and emit a scent? God’s holy promises can bloom gorgeously and bear fruit when they are put into practice.
Those who put God’s promises into action and move according to them receive the promised results from God without fail. However, to those who do not walk in the promises of God and do not try to accomplish them, all the promises are nothing but letters. In other words, they receive the same result as when they are not given any promise. To make God’s word come alive and work for us, we must follow all the teachings of God. When we put God’s promises into practice, we can experience the results promised by God.
Abraham believed God’s promise and did what God said. The faith that Abraham showed was the faith in God and His promise. The Bible shows that Abraham’s faith was made complete when he put into practice his faith in God and His promise.
Now world evangelism is being accomplished by our Church of God. It is possible because God always helps us. This is also a result of believing in God’s promises and putting them into practice. Still now, the gospel prophets including the long-term and short-term mission teams are going out into the whole world and working hard to preach the gospel, shedding beads of sweat. All the members are making every effort to preach the gospel in their own country or overseas.
Let us read the promises that God has made to us and review them again. Those who believe God’s promises and preach the gospel are always joyful and happy. “I will help you.” With this promise of God guaranteed to us, let us spend our daily life preaching the gospel joyfully, along with Heavenly Father and Mother.
Those who believe in the promises of God can be said to believe in God correctly. Think about how great and valuable God’s promised blessings for us are. On the day of glory, God will fulfill all His promised blessings to us. Believing the promises of God firmly, let us, people of Zion, try our best to glorify God greatly during the time of opportunity given to us.
By: Bell on December 29, 2011
at 12:23 pm
When we look back on our past lives, at night after finishing each day or at the end of the year, even though we were given the same period of time, some of us might live faithfully and some might not. The difference comes from whether we had a goal or not. When we set a goal and do our best to achieve the goal, a fruitful result is produced. That’s why an individual or a group sets a goal when starting their work.
It is the same in our life of faith. While the same period of time flows, those who have a spiritual goal live a faithful life, looking forward to the blessings and glory that they will enjoy in heaven, and those who do not have a spiritual goal cannot help but live a meaningless life, just repeating their daily routines.
Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment (Heb 9:27).
In the spiritual world, everyone will face punishment or receive salvation according to their deeds. We should keep our minds fixed on the eternal spiritual world, set goals for our faith and press on toward the goals, not focusing on the worldly things that are meaningless and vain, so that we can leave valuable footprints in our life given just once.
Set a goal for faith, looking forward to the blessings of heaven
Through the teachings of the Bible, let’s learn what kind of mindset of faith we should have. In the book of Colossians, Apostle Paul asked us to set our hearts on things above.
Col 3:1-3『Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.』
“Set your hearts on things above.” By saying this, Apostle Paul meant that we should live a gracious life of faith by seeking the spiritual things in heaven and possessing a great will that God wants us to have. Even though we only desired the worldly things in the past, since we have been born again through Christ, we should set our minds on the life in the glorious kingdom of heaven.
Paul said that he himself pressed on toward the goal of faith.
Php 3:12-14『Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.』
Living a life with a goal means striving endlessly to reach what is ahead.
In order to gain fruitful results through the talents God has granted us, we should make a firm resolution to carry out the will of God and set concrete goals, not just thinking, ‘In due time, it will be done.’
A goal that brings out thoughts and actions
Once upon a time, there was a rich man in a village. He had a son old enough to marry, so he was going to choose his future daughter-in-law. In order to choose a wise daughter-in-law who would manage his hard-earned property, he posted a notice that he would make a maiden, who could live a month with two pounds of rice, his daughter-in-law.
Since it was announced that a rich man would choose his future daughterin-law, many maidens, even from his neighboring villages, streamed to the rich man’s house. However, they were all bewildered after they each received only two pounds of rice as their food for a month. A month passed and the maidens who participated in the test began to gather again at the rich man’s house. Some of them looked as lean as a rake because they ate very small amounts of rice a day, dividing the two pounds of rice into thirty days.
Some gave up the test because they ate to the full in the beginning and then starved later. While almost all of them were showing up with haggard faces, a maiden appeared with a lively face, carrying a cart full of rice.
The rich man asked her, “Every other maiden is carried on someone’s back, being exhausted with hunger. How come you are all right?”
“You gave us a test to live a month only with two pounds of rice. However, it is impossible to live in such a condition. I thought that you intended something else. So I grinded the rice at a mill, made rice cakes, and sold them at a market. With the profit, I bought rice and made rice cakes again and sold them. Repeating this, I could eat enough, and have brought rice much more than what you gave me.”
As the maiden finished her answer, the rich man said gladly, “You are worthy to be my daughter-in-law.”
After setting a goal of living a month with two pounds of rice, the wise maiden thought about how to achieve the goal over and over again, and finally she discovered the rich man’s intention. As she had a clear goal and was firmly determined to achieve it, she was able to find the way to obtain the goal.
If we spend time meaninglessly without any goal, we cannot gain any good result. In preaching the gospel, when we set a goal, we come to think over it and have the will to put the word of God into practice.
If we set a goal of leading a person to the truth, we come to think about his soul and become considerate of him and love him. Even those who previously didn’t tolerate any unpleasant remarks from others come to learn perseverance and know the joy of saving a soul and realize what love is, while leading a person to God. Without a goal, there is no thought; without thought, there is no action; without action, there is no fruit. Therefore, we must set a goal in the truth.
Those who press on toward a goal
If we set a definite goal for a spiritual thing and try to achieve it, through the result we can check ourselves whether we did our best to bear fruit according to the goal or wasted our time away in vague thoughts.
Mt 25:1-7『“At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.”』
In the above parable of Jesus, the goal of the ten virgins was to meet the bridegroom. The five virgins, who were keenly conscious of the goal, thought over how to complete the goal and even prepared extra oil for the case the bridegroom would be late. Eventually, those who had a clear sense of goal were able to receive the bridegroom.
In the succeeding parable of the talents, we can learn the same lesson.
Mt 25:13-23『 . . . “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work [KJV: traded with the same] and gained five more. So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money. After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ . . . “The man with the two talents also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.’ His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’』
The man who received two talents and the man who received five talents set a goal to gain more talents until their master came back, and they thought over how to reach the goal and made ceaseless efforts.
Jesus stated that those who gained more talents would share their master’s happiness. By this Jesus meant that God would be pleased with them and give rewards to them and grant them the right to enter the heavenly banquet.
Since Apostle Paul realized this, he kept his faith, pressing on toward the goal, and was confident and proud of his life, saying that the crown of righteousness was waiting for him.
Likewise, when we have a goal, we can act with conviction. The reason that the young David was able to defeat Goliath, whom even the veterans feared, was because he had a definite goal of destroying Goliath who was defying God. It was also because he firmly believed that God would give him strength and wisdom to beat the enemy.
No goals get no results
A life with goals is beautiful. To achieve a goal people take action; and through the action, a certain outcome is produced. However, a life without goals gains nothing. A goal changes one’s life like that.
There is a great difference in action and result between the person who has a goal in life and the person who lives aimlessly without any goal. In the parable of the talents, the man who received one talent hid his talent in the ground, thinking, ‘It would be ok if I return the talent to the master when he comes back.’ He never thought that he would gain more talents through the one given to him. Because he had no goal, he complacently idled away his time playing and sleeping. Like the lazy servant, if we spend time meaninglessly without thinking of God’s will, what result will we meet on the day God comes with glory?
Mt 25:24-30『“Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’”』
The servant who hid one talent in the ground never considered earning more talents and ended up with the one talent. In other words, he did not carry out his master’s command, “Trade with the talent given to you.” The words “trade with the talent” implies “earn many more talents with it.”
Finally, the master commanded that the worthless servant, who only kept the one talent till the end, be thrown into the darkness.
The man who had no goal gained nothing no matter whether he was capable or not, but the men who had a goal gained fruitful results according to their abilities. Thinking of what the differences were in results between the man who received one talent and the men who received two and five talents each, let’s reflect on ourselves—‘When were we able to gain more talents in our life of faith?’
In preaching the gospel, he who tries hard to completely deliver the will of God can gain many more talents. In listening to a sermon, he who has a goal always thinks about what the preacher tries to deliver, what he himself should learn and realize spiritually, and how he will make use of the contents of the sermon for preaching. Such a man makes a remarkable growth in faith although it’s not been so long since he received the truth. However, in case of a man who just sits and hears the sermon without a goal, he is not moved by the sermon and does not show any progress in faith even though he’s been in the truth for ten years or more; he is like the servant who received one talent.
If a person’s today is like yesterday and his tomorrow is like today, he will leave nothing while walking the path to heaven, like the man who received one talent and hid it in the ground. We should always think over what our goal is in our life of faith, how many talents we have gained till now, and how close we have come to our goal, rather than boast of how long we’ve been in the truth.
God helps those who make efforts
Jacob, who had worked for his uncle Laban without wages, married Rachel and had children. So he asked Laban to give him speckled or spotted sheep and goats as his wages. From this time, Jacob had a goal. In order to gain speckled or spotted sheep and goats, he made white stripes on the branches by peeling the bark and put the branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink, they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were speckled or spotted. It is difficult to explain in terms of biology, but the Bible recorded that Jacob grew exceedingly prosperous after he set a goal.
A life without a goal is meaningless and burdensome, but when we run toward a goal, our life is always full of delight. Let’s set goals aligned with God’s will and pray to God to achieve the goals and preach the truth, not just waiting without any concrete effort and action. Then we will be able to experience the joy of achieving the goals one by one and our faith will also grow.
When we look back on our past, we can realize that we prayed more earnestly when we had a goal. When we set a goal for fruit, we come to pray for fruit; after we bear fruit, we come to pray for the fruit to grow in faith. Thus, when we have a goal, prayer springs up from us. “Pray continually.” This command also implies that we should press on toward a goal continually.
A good result is given when we try hard for a goal: No pains, no gains. If we set a goal, God helps us according to that goal. He gives more blessings to those who strive with earnestness. We should seek help from heaven, not from the earth.
A wild boar likes acorns. After eating acorns fallen under a tree, it digs the ground continuously. Actually, acorns have fallen from a tree, but the wild boar thinks that acorns come from the ground because he ate them on the ground. That’s why he digs up the ground. Likewise, if we try to find a solution only through our current situations and circumstances on this earth, we are not different from the foolish wild boar. If we believe that all help and power come from above and pray to God and run toward our goal diligently, God will surely grant us good results.
Now, our lost heavenly family members hear the voice of Father and Mother and are coming to Zion from all around the world. It’s because we have firmly believed that God is with us and have set a firm goal to save the whole world by practicing God’s word. Since everything is fulfilled as God has promised, we only need to believe and follow God. Let’s answer God’s calling and preach the Word with fervent faith until this gospel is preached to Samaria and to the ends of the earth, so that we can quickly find all of our lost brothers and sisters. Instead of merely hoping to receive many rewards in heaven, let’s set a goal for the heavenly glory and take action to achieve the goal.
By: Bell on December 31, 2011
at 9:04 am
God bless you and Happy New Year.
Once I read the words that define home as follows: “Home is the kingdom of a father, the world of a mother, and the paradise of children.” The reason “home can be the kingdom of a father, the world of a mother, and the paradise of children” is that at home there are careful consideration and love among family members.
We are the members of the heavenly family, so we should unite in love.
God refines us in the crucible of our “family,” where all our evil, worldly passions such as quarreling, hate and jealousy melt away, so that we may have good character like a crystal and change into love. In order to re-create each of us to be a new person full of love, God has built a fence called “family” for us, both physically and spiritually.
The opposite of “love” is “hate.” Hate is the most unnecessary thing we must throw away in the process of changing into the people of the everlasting kingdom of God. When we get rid of all the hate from our minds and fill our hearts with love, we can be completely reborn as the people of heaven.
Thanksgiving is the way to defeat hate
A man had a serious argument with his wife in the morning and went out of his house. Trying to calm himself down, he walked down the road. Just at the right moment, the refreshing breeze blew gently, the rays of the sun pierced through the clouds to shine brightly, and the translucent bright green leaves danced in the breeze. Seeing and feeling the beauty of nature, he felt as if he was standing in paradise.
Then he realized that God opened the windows of heaven and was bestowing boundless blessings and joy upon him, even though He has the power to put him to death because he had committed sin against Him. It was for a very trivial reason that he was angry at his wife and hated her, but God had more than a thousand times bigger reason to be enraged at him. When he thought that way, he hurried back home and made up with his wife.
The confession of the man shows us well what kind of mindset we need to have in order to remove hate from our hearts. The moment he was thankful to God, all the hate he had disappeared. If we are conscious of God and thankful to Him like that, we will be able to overcome and reject all the feelings of hate that we may have in our lives.
Everything we feel angry about or hate is nothing compared with our sins deserving God’s everlasting wrath and punishment. Now, let’s take some time to think about how obediently we follow God’s command, “Love one another,” in our spiritual family.
History of hate between brothers
The book of Genesis describes the first hate crime in human history and the origin of sin caused by it.
Ge 4:1-8『 . . . Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.” Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.』
The feeling of hate that Cain had resulted in his killing his brother Abel, and he became the first murderer in human history. Hate brings about such cruel and hideous crimes. That’s why God always teaches us to be compassionate to one another and forgive each other, and also has given us a command—“Love one another.” We must not hate our brothers and sisters like Cain but share God’s love with them from our hearts.
Ge 27:41-45『Esau held a grudge against Jacob because of the blessing his father had given him. He said to himself, “The days of mourning for my father are near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.” When Rebekah was told what her older son Esau had said, she sent for her younger son Jacob and said to him, “Your brother Esau is consoling himself with the thought of killing you. Now then, my son, do what I say: Flee at once to my brother Laban in Haran. Stay with him for a while until your brother’s fury subsides. When your brother is no longer angry with you and forgets what you did to him, I’ll send word for you to come back from there. Why should I lose both of you in one day?”』
The history of hate between brothers is also found in the story of Jacob and Esau. One of them obtained a blessing, but the other lost it. Then the one who lost the blessing became jealous and envious of the one who received it, and finally he intended to kill his brother.
Ge 37:4-5『When his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of them, they hated him and could not speak a kind word to him. Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers, they hated him all the more.』
In the above verse, we can see that hatred arose among Joseph’s brothers when they felt jealous or envious of each other, thinking their father loved one of them more than the rest. Likewise, if we don’t love one another but hate each other, it will bring about irrevocable results.
God shows compassion equally to each and every one of us. He gives the blessings of the sunshine to everyone, not giving some people more and others less, whether they are righteous or wicked. This is the heart of Heavenly Father, and so is the heart of Heavenly Mother. Her mind is broad and deep like the sea enough to cover up all the people’s faults, as stated in the ninth Teaching of Mother. Resembling the heart of God, we should also have a broad mind enough to cover up our brothers and sisters’ faults, as the sea receives all the dirt and purifies it.
Do not be like Cain
Why did God let the stories of those who hated their brothers and tried to kill them be recorded in the Bible? It is because God wants us, His holy people who will become perfect as heavenly beings, to learn a lesson even from the history of hate and consider it a warning. God teaches us not to hate each other but to love one another.
Lev 19:17『“ ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.’ ”』
From now on, we must get rid of hate completely. If you happen to hate a brother in your heart, you must remove the hate with the eraser of forgiveness and help him produce fruit worthy of Father and Mother. This is what God wants us to do first and foremost in the new covenant.
1 Jn 3:11-16『This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.』
“Do not be like Cain” means “do not hate your brothers.” If we become angry, hate or have a grudge against brothers and sisters because their words and behaviors offend and displease us, we may spiritually commit the same kind of crime as that of Cain. The Bible warns us that if we do not love our brothers and sisters, we remain in death.
While we live in this world, there may be misunderstandings and quarrels, big or small. For the same thing, some do not think it is a factor that can cause offense or enmity, but it can cause others to feel angry or hate. If we are always thankful to God for everything He has given us and are content and joyful whatever circumstances we are in, there will be no hate in our hearts anymore.
Satan once prowled around the world to sow the seeds of hate, and there were numerous good places to plant the seeds of hate. Most people’s hearts had moderate temperatures and conditions for the seeds of hatred to germinate and grow. However, the hearts of some people didn’t have good conditions for hate to grow at all, and Satan failed to sow the seeds of hate in them. They were the people who always had a thankful heart.
A thankful heart is the soil which prevents hate from growing and helps love grow ripe. In the soil of gratitude, a seed of hate can never grow. The fruit of love is borne only in the soil of gratitude.
If we have regarded our brothers and sisters’ faults as big and felt offended by them and also have had a distorted view of Zion because of a feeling of hate, we must destroy all the hate with love. When we always have a thankful heart to Father and Mother for Their grace, anything annoying or distressing will never happen to us. Let us only sow the seeds of love in the soil of our thankful hearts. Then joy and gladness will always be found in Zion, and thanksgiving and the sound of singing will not cease there (Isa 51:3).
Love blooms in a thankful heart
1 Jn 4:7-11『Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.』
We must love one another as God has told us to. Sometimes we may feel heartbroken or hurt because of brothers and sisters’ ways of speaking and behaving, which are different from ours. However, we did more cruel and wicked acts against God and spoke more offensive words to Him. Despite all that, God embraces us in His loving arms, lets the warm sunlight shine on us, and allows us to feel the verdure of nature and to breathe the fresh air.
If we look around us with a thankful heart, we can experience a miracle every day and words of admiration will continuously come out of our mouths. On the contrary, if our gratitude ceases, our hearts will only be filled with hate. Engraving God’s word—“Love one another”—in our hearts, let’s take a look at another teaching that we should always be thankful and try to be good to each other.
1 Th 5:12-22『Now we ask you, brothers, . . . Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone. Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else. Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.』
God tells us to live in peace with each other and try to be kind to everyone in all circumstances. We must not have a feeling of enmity or hate towards anyone, although he or she doesn’t have the same thoughts as us; rather, we should always be good to everyone. This is the teaching and commandment of Father and Mother. They also tell us to be joyful always and give thanks in all circumstances. If we are always thankful to Father and Mother, there will be no complaint, no grumbling and no hate in our hearts.
‘Is there something about me that causes my brothers and sisters to have feelings of hate? Do I hate any brother or sister? Am I grumbling? Am I losing gratitude?’ Reflecting upon ourselves again, let’s think of Father and Mother. Everything will be solved if we are conscious of God. Satan attacks us when we do not think of God but stay away from Him. It was during Adam’s absence that Eve was tempted by the serpent. Likewise, if we stay away from God, we give Satan an opportunity to tempt us.
Giving thanks in all circumstances, let us remove all the hate and make Zion—God’s house, where the heavenly family members are gathered together, the true “kingdom of Father, the world of Mother, and the paradise of us, Their children.” Let’s make Zion a place full of Father and Mother’s love, a place without hate, a place filled with gratitude, and a place where our prayers and consideration for one another do not cease, so that our brothers and sisters’ pain, sorrow and hardship, which they have suffered in this world, will all melt away the moment they enter Zion. I earnestly hope that all our brothers and sisters in Zion will always remember the sacrifice of Father and Mother, have no hate, pray continually, and overflow with gratitude.
By: Bell on January 1, 2012
at 10:53 am
I believe God gave me this verse specifically for this site, that anyone under the influence of WMSCOG or any other “christian” group which claims differing doctrine to be “sound” or “correct”, or whom claims to have seen Christ return and such.
2 Tim. 4:3-5 –
“3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”
WMSCOG, as I have respectively pointed out more than enough times and will continue to do thus until they realize the truth, claims that Jesus Christ the Jewish man has been reincarnated into the body of the Korean man Ahn Sang Hong, who was born into a Buddhist family before converting to Seventh Day Adventism. If this is the Christ, why was Jesus Christ the Jewish man born into a pagan family? Why did the angels tell the disciples to not worry because the “same” Jesus who ascended would descend again one day in the same manner? If Jesus Christ the Jewish man will remain the same, we can expect His scars that Thomas touched will still be on His Jewish body. Maybe I’m incorrect in my thinking, but I don’t believe just because Christ has a glorified body that His body will be changed in the least, for the angels in scripture have said the SAME Christ will return again.
Acts 1:11
“Which also said, You men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven.”
The SAME Christ who had a glorified body after His death, yet had scars. This same body will return someday. The scriptures point nothing remotely “new” about Christ’s body upon His return.
Having said this, the WMSCOG has good intentions. They wish to further the kingdom of God, and while many of the leaders are pigs in it for control and power, I believe many of the followers are very devoted to God and simply want to worship Him in the best way they possibly can. And this is why I urge them to leave the Church of God and find a church group of sound doctrine. I understand they have many good points, many that make sense. But there are too many holes they leave out. They tend to behave as robots, having the same answer for each and every question. In some ways, this unifies their church in doctrine. In others, it perverts the very point of being a Christian – owning your own faith. To be a true Christian, we must follow Christ. To follow Christ, we need to know Christ. To know Christ, we pray, meditate and study His word. To study the Word, we must think objectively. To think objectively, we must think outside of the box and lean on the Holy Spirit to open things up for us, and not be stuck on one particular doctrine just because our home church claims it’s true.
My prayer deeply in the spirit is that members of COG would have their spirit’s eyes opened, that the true Jesus Christ would be revealed to them one by one.
The COG started out with good intentions.. but when they claim a man is Christ who clearly has no background as the same Christ we read about who was on this earth 2000 years ago, they cross a fine line.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus
There is an enormous list of people claiming to be Jesus Christ, all of which have many “prophetical” and “biblical” so-called “proofs” to back up their claims.. but they all fail to be without some form of error no matter how close they get.
Matt. 24:5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
Matt. 24:26 “If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe it not.”
I don’t know about you all, but my Bible tells me Jesus told His followers to not believe anyone when they say they have found Christ. Why do I need someone to tell me Christ has come again when I know my Father’s voice? Will I not hear my own Father’s voice when my risen Savior has come? Do I not have the Holy Spirit residing in my spirit, for when I gave up my life to Him He entered into my soul? Do you not think I know the very sound of my Creator’s maddeningly loud voice? I know my God, and I don’t need anyone to tell me He has come back. I don’t need anyone to tell me the Holy Spirit has given us the Heavenly Mother.. because if He wanted me to know, He would’ve told me Himself… because when the curtain in the inner temple was literally torn in two, and when Jesus Christ was resurrected, and the Holy Spirit was given to the believers in the upper room on Pentecost, that’s when the power of Christ came upon any who should be adopted by the Father. This is truth, this is scripture, inerrant and flawless, no holes, no strings attached.
Believe, please believe.. for the very sake of worship to the One True God.
By: Pierce on January 2, 2012
at 7:43 pm
God has given mankind the Bible in order to ultimately save their souls. Through the Bible, we must meet God our Savior.
The Bible contains many parables. Among them, the history of the Garden of Eden in the book of Genesis shows us how men committed sin in heaven and were cast down to the earth. If we realize the true meaning hidden in this parable, we will be able to break the chain of death that binds us.
The Bible says that there are two kinds of people: those who are given the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, and those who are not (Mt 13:10-16). Those who are given the knowledge of the secrets are indeed blessed; they are given the promise of entering the kingdom of heaven.
The sin of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life
When we study the history of the Garden of Eden, we can see that God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but they ate the forbidden fruit, being tempted by the serpent, and came to die after all.
Ge 2:16-17 『And the Lord God commanded the man,”You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”』
Ge 3:1-6 『”You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.”For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.』
The serpent represents the devil (Rev 12:9). The devil, who is crafty and knows the psychological weaknesses of human beings, approached them and tempted them to commit sin and die.
Actually, the story of Adam and Eve who sinned in the Garden of Eden is a recomposed story of us who sinned in heaven; it helps us understand how we sinned in heaven. All human beings, who are born on this earth, are destined to die because of their sins like Adam and Eve. However, there was the tree of life in the Garden of Eden; if anyone ate from the tree, he would live even though he was once doomed to die because of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Ge 3:22-24 『And the Lord God said,”The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.』
God drove Adam and Eve, who had sinned, out of the Garden of Eden and let cherubim guard the way to the tree of life with a flaming sword.
Forgiveness of sins given through the shedding of blood
As Adam bitterly lamented after losing the tree of life, God showed him the way to eat from the tree of life again (Heb 11:4, 13). Adam testified this truth to his sons. Cain did not accept the truth and offered the products of the soil, but Abel obeyed the truth and sacrificed a lamb with its blood symbolizing the precious blood of Christ. God refused Cain’s offering and only accepted Abel’s sacrifice (Ge 4:1-5).
Heb 9:22『In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.』
Abel offered a blood sacrifice to God, while Cain presented some of his crops as an offering to Him in his own way. That was why God did not accept Cain’s offering. The Bible says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. So, people had to offer a sacrifice with the shedding of blood when they asked God for forgiveness of sins, so that they could be freed from the sin of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and could eat from the tree of life.
The practice of the blood-shedding sacrifice, which had been handed down from generation to generation since Abel, was codified in the time of Moses, and it was in the sanctuary that the blood sacrifice was made in accordance with the Law of Moses.
Ex 25:9-21『”Make this tabernacle and all its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you. Have them make a chest of acacia wood . . . Then put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you. Make an atonement cover of pure gold . . . The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you.”』
The sanctuary, where sacrifices were made every day, was partitioned into two parts: the outer room called the”Holy Place,” and the inner room called the”Most Holy Place.” In the Most Holy Place was placed the ark of the covenant, and there were two cherubim above the cover of the ark, called the”Mercy Seat.”
The two cherubim, who had guarded the way to the tree of life in Eden, were stationed over the ark of the covenant. This suggests that the tree of life was in the ark of the covenant. The two cherubim who guarded the ark of covenant also had a flaming sword. So, when Uzzah put his hand on the ark by mistake, he was killed; and when the two sons of Aaron violated the command of God, a fire came out of the ark and devoured them to death (2 Sa 6:1-7; Lev 10:1-3).
Only the high priest could enter the Most Holy Place once a year; but without the shedding of blood, he couldn’t enter. God accepted the sacrifice of Abel because he offered the blood-shedding sacrifice to Him. Likewise, the shedding of blood was required when the high priest entered the Most Holy Place where the guardian cherubim were stationed. All these laws of the Old Testament were a copy and shadow of the realities that would come in the future.
Heb 10:1-4 『The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. . . . because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 』
Heb 10:9『Then he said,”Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.』
Heb 10:16-20『”This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Then he adds:”Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.” And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. . . . by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body,』
The law of the Old Testament, which was a shadow, never made perfect the people of God. Only the blood of Christ, who was the reality of sacrifice, could bring them the perfect forgiveness of sins. So, God abolished the old covenant and established the new covenant through the blood of Christ.
Jesus is the reality of the sanctuary and the ark of the covenant
The provisions of the Law, given to Moses by God, seem to be complicated at first sight, but in them there is God’s providence for the forgiveness of our sins.
Heb 9:1-5『Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant . . .』
When the Israelites were in the desert, they could not build a fixed temple because they had to move very often, so they had a tabernacle [sanctuary] built according to the pattern of the temple. Jesus said that His body was the temple.
Jn 2:19-21『The Jews replied,”It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.』
The reality of the temple was Jesus. In this temple [sanctuary] was the ark of the covenant which contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant which Moses had received from God. Considering the fact that the two cherubim were guarding the ark, we can clearly see that the ark of the covenant or the three sacred things inside it symbolize the tree of life, that is, Christ. First, let’s confirm that the manna represents Christ.
Jn 6:31-35『”Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'” . . . Then Jesus declared,”I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.”』
The Israelites had eaten manna from heaven while sojourning in the desert for 40 years until they entered the land of Canaan. This manna was put in a gold jar, and it was placed in the ark of the covenant. As Jesus testified that”I am the bread of life,” the manna represents Jesus who is life.
Second, let’s think about the meaning of Aaron’s staff that had budded. God distinguished Aaron as the high priest through this staff (Nu 17:1-11). Then, why did God place the staff, which was a symbol of the high priest, in the ark of the covenant?
Heb 5:8-10『Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.』
The sprouted staff of Aaron was also a symbolic representation of Jesus, which showed that Jesus would come to the earth as the high priest. Lastly, let’s find out the reason why God had the stone tablets put in the ark of the covenant.
Jn 1:1-14『In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.』
Jesus is God, the Word that came in the flesh. So, the tablets of the covenant also represent Jesus, who is God—the Word.
God stationed two cherubim on the cover of the ark of the covenant to guard the manna, Aaron’s staff and the tablets of the covenant. This showed that Jesus would appear as the reality of the tree of life that the cherubim were guarding.
The tree of life given through the Passover
Jesus Himself testified that He is the reality of the tree of life.
Jn 6:53-57『Jesus said to them,”I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”』
God said He would give us the tree of life to eat. This will be the only good news for human beings, who are destined to die because of eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life.” By saying this Jesus meant that He would allow us to eat from the tree of life.
It was God who let the cherubim guard the way to the tree of life so that sinners could not approach it. So, no one except God can open the way to the tree of life again and save us, sinners. Jesus promised us eternal life through His precious flesh and blood. Therefore, without a doubt, Jesus is God Himself. He taught us how to eat His flesh and drink His blood while establishing the Passover of the new covenant, saying,”I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer” (Mt 26:17-28; Mk 14:12-24; Lk 22:7-20).
However, Satan, who hates the truth of the tree of life, instigated people to raise controversy over the Passover three times—in A.D. 155, A.D. 197 and A.D. 325—and finally abolished the Passover during the Council of Nicaea. The Passover, which the Eastern Churches regarded as very important and celebrated continuously, was abolished; instead, Easter, the first Sunday after the Passover, was celebrated, as determined by the Western Churches.
This was the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy that the one who spoke against God would change the set times and the laws of God (Da 7:25). However, there was also a prophecy that God would come again and restore the truth of life—the Passover of the new covenant, which was trampled on by Satan.
Although there were numerous theologians who studied the Bible over centuries, none of them could realize the truth of the Passover. It’s because the tree of life can only be given by God.
God who opened the way to the tree of life
Anyone could not enter the Most Holy Place where the tree of life was placed, but only the high priest could enter there once every year. Jesus came as the high priest in the order of Melchizedek and opened the way to the tree of life.
Heb 6:17-20『. . . We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.』
The blood of all the animals, which were offered in sacrifice to God in the sanctuary in the Old Testament times, represented the blood of Christ. He came as the high priest in the order of Melchizedek, and through His precious blood He tore the curtain that separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place in the sanctuary. By doing so, Jesus opened the way to the Most Holy Place so that anyone could enter it and come to the tree of life.
The Bible says that Christ, who came to this earth to give mankind life 2,000 years ago, is to come a second time for the same purpose—to give us life, to bring salvation to us.
Heb 9:28『so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.』
So, the Second Coming Christ is to bring us the truth of the tree of life—the Passover. By doing that, He is to open all the secrets, which have been sealed from the time of the Garden of Eden until this age of the Holy Spirit.
Those who are not allowed to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven will not understand them; though seeing, they will not see; though hearing, they will not hear. In the days of Jesus, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law did not recognize Jesus, but some fishermen and shepherds who took care of the sheep in the field recognized Him. Even though they were lower in social standing, they recognized God and worshiped Him correctly, so that they were all blessed. Like them, we are very blessed because we are given the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven in this age.
The Bible testifies that the One who gives us eternal life through the aged wine is our God (Isa 25:6-9). Christ Ahnsahnghong has restored the Passover of the new covenant, which has been hidden for a long time since A.D. 325. Surely, He is our Savior in this age, whom we have been waiting for.
God has come to this earth and made known to us all the secrets of the kingdom of heaven in order to save us, sinners, who were expelled from heaven after eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and destined to die forever. I earnestly hope that we, children of God, will all receive the blessing of the forgiveness of sins, given by our God Ahnsahnghong who has brought the tree of life, and WILL RETURN TO THE ETERNAL KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. God bless you.
By: Bell on January 3, 2012
at 9:38 am
Heb. 11:13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 IF THEY HAD BEEN THINKING OF THE COUNTRY THEY HAD LEFT, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN. 16 INSTEAD, THEY WERE LONGING FOR A BETTER COUNTRY—A HEAVENLY ONE. THEREFORE GOD IS NOT ASHAMED TO BE CALLED THEIR GOD, FOR HE HAS PREPARED A CITY FOR THEM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for bringing us the light in this dark world and reminding us that we came from our hometown Kingdom of Heaven and calling us to return to our heavenly country Kingdom of Heaven. God bless you.
By: Bell on January 3, 2012
at 9:53 am
SOME CAN’T ACCEPT THE TRUTH THE BIBLE IS FACT ” THE MOST ACCURATE BOOK IN THE WORLD FOR A REASON CAUSE THEIR WORDS OF GOD AND THE TRUTH WILL TRIUMPH.
By: LEARSI on January 4, 2012
at 12:23 am
By the grace of God, we have been called to become the people of Zion and received redemption; our countless sins and transgressions have been forgiven. Since we have received such overwhelming grace, we should live a life of repentantance perfect enough for us to stand before God. As the day of our salvation comes closer, if we are still going against the will of God with our sinful nature, stubbornness and unrepentant hearts, the forgiveness of sins that we have received will lose its meaning.
Originally, we are sinners who committed grievous sins in heaven and were cast down to this earth. Keeping this fact in mind, we should always humble ourselves before God. We must not betray the love of God who has redeemed us from our sins through His holy sacrifice, but should give thanks in all circumstances and come to complete repentance.
God waits for a sinner to repent
2,000 years ago, when Jesus came to this earth and started His gospel ministry, His first message was “Repent!” In the Bible we can see many scenes where Jesus urged people to repent while preaching the gospel.
Mt 4:12-17『When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he returned to Galilee. Leaving Nazareth, he went and lived in Capernaum, which was by the lake in the area of Zebulun and Naphtali . . . From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”』
Lk 15:7『”I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.”』
Remembering the voice of Christ who urged mankind to repent, let us examine ourselves if there is still anything of which we have not fully repented, and live a life worthy of being called the “righteous people” who have been redeemed through God”s sacrifice. We should not conform to the pattern of this generation that is wicked in the eyes of God, but only pay attention to the teachings of God, so that we can repay God for His grace; God has raised us who were dead in our transgressions and sins.
Ro 2:4-5『Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God”s kindness leads you toward repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God”s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.』
It is written that people will face God”s wrath on the Day of Judgment because of their stubbornness and their unrepentant hearts. In short, it means that they will not be saved. Some people think that God does not know their faults and wrongdoings. This is a great misunderstanding. They think so because they do not completely believe in God. If they try to hide something before God, claiming to believe that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, they contradict themselves. God knows everything and tolerates it. He patiently waits for a long time until we confess our sins and repent. We should realize God”s mercy and confess every sin to God without even hiding a small one, so that we may have perfect faith.
Since we have not fully repented, God is still waiting patiently. However, the opportunity and the time granted to us will pass soon. Before it is too late, let us look back on our past lives and confess every sin and repent, not leaving out a single particle of sin, so we can all go back to the kingdom of heaven.
2 Pe 3:8-13『But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. . . .』
God is so merciful and compassionate that He truly wants everyone to be saved without being condemned. However, evildoers do not hesitate to behave as they please, thinking that God does not know their evil deeds, even though God has been so patient with them. They stubbornly refuse to repent no matter how long God waits for them to come to repentance. That”s why God cannot help but bring judgment on them.
We, God”s heirs, should look forward to the day of God while living holy and godly lives; we should fear God who will bring every deed into judgment including everything hidden, whether it is good or evil, and obey His words.
Ecc 12:13-14『Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.』
Let us confess all our sins before God
In ancient Rome, there was a tribune, who was ordered to take criminals by ship to another region. As the criminals boarded the ship, the tribune, who was merciful and wise, called the criminals one after another and asked them how they came to commit crimes, and let them tell their stories. Then all of the 100 criminals began to appeal their punishment, saying they were falsely charged. They all claimed that they were innocent and arrested unreasonably. However, only one criminal confessed his sin.
“I deserve to be imprisoned. When my family ran out of food, I saw my wife and children starving and I lost all senses and stole things from others. It was all my fault and I deserve it.”
On hearing his confession, the tribune gave an order to the official beside him.
“All these people have been falsely accused and framed for the sins that others committed. Only one person, however, said he committed sin. How can we put a sinner among the righteous? Get him out of here right away, and take the rest on board!”
Thus, all the criminals who had claimed to be innocent were carried to prison, while the criminal who had confessed and acknowledged his sin was set free. As the criminal who was being released walked away, all the other criminals who denied their sins looked at him with envy.
Likewise, when we confess our sins before God, the merciful God takes pity on us and forgives our sins. However, if we do not confess our sin but hide it, even though we obviously sinned, we cannot avoid the punishment when the God of justice judges everyone according to the gravity of their sins.
Our every action is revealed before God. We cannot hide even a small misdeed. God the Almighty knows everything and even searches the heart and thoughts of a man, but He wants us to come and confess our sins before Him.
1 Jn 1:6-10『If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.』
Father”s forgiveness
There is an anecdote about Gandhi, the leader of the Indian nationalist movement. In his childhood, he once strayed away from the right path and stole something from his house. But soon it became a big burden on his conscience.
The time of suffering from a guilty conscience was too long, while the moment of sin was very short. More than anything else, he was afraid and tormented as he thought of his father who would get hurt and distressed because of his misconduct.
Gandhi was in constant fear, being seized with a guilty conscience, and finally decided to confess his wrongdoing to his father and never to commit a crime again. He wrote a letter of repentance in which he confessed his every past fault, and gave it to his father.
“Father, forgive me! I made a huge mistake. I swear never to steal again.”
He handed the letter to his father in fear. However, his father did not scold him or give him a strict command even after reading it; he just shed tears, which soaked the letter. Gandhi also cried, seeing how heartbroken his father was because of his misconduct. Then he felt like his sin was washed away and his conscience was purified by his father”s tears of love.
After that, Gandhi never turned from the right path, but lived a good life since his father”s tears were engraved in his memory. As a result, he gained confidence and popularity from the people of India, and he has been remembered as a great politician and philosopher even to this very day.
God, who knows every sin we”ve committed, waits for us to confess all our sins. Confessing a sin means pledging not to commit the sin again. We are living in a world full of wicked thoughts and deeds. We should confess and repent of every sin we have committed and receive the forgiveness of sins, so that we can be without blemish or defect before God. For this, we should reflect on ourselves and repent through prayer every day, and walk in the way of faith pleasing to Heavenly Father and Mother.
Repentance leads to salvation
Repentance means to turn from sin and not to commit sin again. Now is the time we each should repent of our own sins and then lead the whole world, full of sin, to repentance.
Eze 33:13-16『”If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done. And if I say to the wicked man, ‘You will surely die,” but he then turns away from his sin and does what is just and right—if he gives back what he took in pledge for a loan, returns what he has stolen, follows the decrees that give life, and does no evil, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the sins he has committed will be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live.”』
What if a man boasts that he has lived a righteous life and commits a sin, thinking, ‘A small sin like this shouldn”t matter”? Although he has done what is good and righteous, all his righteousness becomes nothing the moment he sins. On the contrary, although a man committed sin while wandering aimlessly without knowing God, if he turns away from his sin and pays attention to the truth of life, he will surely live and receive salvation.
We feel ashamed when we think of our sin, so it is not easy to confess it. Confession needs courage. Remembering the story of Gandhi who never committed sin again after recognizing his father”s heartbreak because of his misconduct, we should confess all our sins, big or small, before God, so we can receive the complete forgiveness of our sins.
God has repeatedly emphasized that unless we confess our sins, we are storing up God”s wrath for the day of the Last Judgment. Not only for the sins we committed before we knew God, but even a small single sin we”ve committed while waking the path of faith, we have to confess and repent. By doing that, we should live godly and gracious lives, apart from sin, according to the will of God.
2 Co 7:9-11『yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. . . .』
Those who do not repent cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Just as we cannot clearly see an object with smudged glasses, we cannot correctly realize the divine nature of God, nor can we clearly see the glory of the kingdom of God, with our souls stained with sins. Therefore, through our complete repentance, let us remove our dirty sins that cover up our spiritual eyes, so that we may become righteous and obtain salvation. Actually, most of the contents written in the Bible are about the works of repentance and the words urging repentance. Baptism, the first step towards salvation, can be accomplished when it is accompanied by repentance.
If there is any sin that we have not yet confessed before God, whether it is big or small, let us take up courage and confess it and come to the grace of the forgiveness of sins. God is waiting for us, His children, to repent. In the parable of the prodigal son, when the son returned home in repentance after squandering all his wealth, his father didn”t reproach him but welcomed him with joy (Lk 15:11-24).
If we fall into the swamp of sins because of our stubbornness and unrepentant hearts, God”s wrath will fall upon us. God has forgiven our sins through His great sacrifice of atonement. We should engrave God”s forgiving grace deep within our hearts and confess all our sins, even the smallest faults, and be born again, so that we can stand before God without any blemish or defect. Heavenly Father and Mother have waited patiently for us to repent for a long time, and suffered all sorts of insults and hardships for our salvation.
Let us give thanks to Father and Mother for Their sacrifice and display the glory of God all over the world through our good and righteous acts, as children of Elohim. God bless you.
By: Bell on January 5, 2012
at 8:51 am
Now, the gospel is spreading rapidly and widely throughout the world. I believe that it is a result of the Holy Spirit; God has given more power to our brothers and sisters because they are content wherever they go and always give thanks to Him for everything.
They joyfully work to spread the gospel even in the places where evangelism is tough because of their economic and socio-cultural conditions. All of them say that they walk with the Father and Mother more closely in difficult situations. Since they are always joyful and thankful even in difficulties and hardships, the gospel can rapidly spread throughout the whole world. I am so proud of my brothers and sisters for having such a content heart.
Attitude of evangelists being content whatever the circumstances
We have many missionaries overseas. Let me introduce a young missionary couple who have gone to a country less developed than Korea. Even though circumstances are unfavorable, they always greet brothers and sisters and their neighbors with a smile, setting an example of willingly taking initiative in doing hard work. They are now bearing the fruit of the gospel abundantly. They are admired widely among all native brothers and sisters.
I have been exchanging e-mails with them. I once asked them if they had any difficulties, and they replied to my e-mail, saying that they were more thankful to God for sending them there; as they were preaching the gospel in a poor country rather than in a rich one, they came to realize how much our Father suffered when He began His ministry on this earth and how earnestly our Mother took care of each child at the beginning. I was deeply touched that they were content even under such difficult circumstances and always thankful to Father and Mother.
This is the attitude of faith that God wants us to have. It is not enough just to keep the commandments of God. We are also required to be born again in God. It will be only an outward ceremony just to keep what God has commanded, without being renewed inwardly.
Php 4:10-12『 . . . for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.』
If one goes abroad for mission work, having learned to be content like Paul, he can adapt himself to any situation. However, if he becomes discontent with the immediate situation, he can not bear fruit or do the will of God. It is the same with domestic mission work. There is God’s plan for the situation we are facing; and God leads us into the places where He has intended for us, in order that He may refine us like gold and silver and give us blessings. We must believe this.
Give thanks in all circumstances
A grateful heart is the result of being content in every situation. Grumbling is the outpouring of a discontent heart. Man’s greed knows no bounds; the more he gets, the more he wants. However, we seek the things above and run after them. We must be content and thankful in all circumstances, with an attitude that pleases God.
1 Th 5:13-18『 . . . Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone. Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else. Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.』
“Give thanks in all circumstances” means “being thankful in every situation, whether favorable or unfavorable.” This is God’s will for us.
Now, let’s look around at our brothers and sisters and carefully evaluate our current circumstance. Some of them set good examples to learn from, but some still have personality flaws and show unfavorable examples to avoid. Sometimes we are placed in favorable circumstances, and sometimes in unfavorable ones. However, all our circumstances are the most favorable ones caused by God for our spiritual profit. If we understand the will of God, we cannot thank God enough even though we thank Him ten million times a day.
1 Th 5:9『For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.』
God has called us into Zion and granted us salvation. What more do we want? God has given us all the good things. So, we are to be joyful always, pray continually, and give thanks in all circumstances.
An unthankful person may lose something precious
Though we are in a favorable situation, if we focus on what we are lacking right now, we forget to give thanks and begin to grumble and complain. Here is an example.
There was an engaged couple in America. The man wanted to give his fiancée a wonderful memorable present on New Year’s Day. He wholeheartedly prepared five gift boxes and brought them to his future bride.
With a fluttering heart, she opened the first box and there was a blue sweater in it. When she looked at it, she made a wry face. The man said, “Didn’t you want this blue sweater? You said it was very pretty.” Then she said discontentedly, “That’s last year’s trend. This year’s fashion color is orange. Now I want an orange sweater.”
The man gave another gift box to her, saying, “This is what you wanted to have. I’m sure you’ll like it.” The second present was a handbag. It was a high quality handbag made of genuine alligator leather. Its center was protuberant, designed in the shape of a crocodile mouth. She said that she didn’t like it because of its childish design, and pushed the bag aside. The third box contained shoes, the fourth a ring, and the fifth a necklace. However, she was continually dissatisfied with every present and grumbled.
The man said in a disappointed voice, “Now I have to exchange it.” She became very happy and said, “Let’s go and exchange the gifts right now.” Then the man said coldly, “No, I don’t need to exchange them. I need to exchange my fiancée.”
The person who always grumbles and complains is ungrateful for any wonderful gift received. On the contrary, a content person is thankful for every gift, small or large, understanding the heart of its giver who wants to please him/her. If the fiancée had always been thankful, she would have received more gifts. What if she had been thankful to him for his heartfelt gift before she said that she wanted an orange sweater? Her fiancé would also have bought it for her. She was discontent with all the precious gifts, and eventually her fiancé left her. Likewise, most people today fail to give thanks for things to be thankful for, because they do not understand their value, and foolishly they come to lose what is truly precious.
Do not conform to this world
Let’s get rid of the habit of being discontent and grumbling. Jesus says that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken (Mt 12:36-37). If one speaks thankful words, he will be one step closer to heaven; if he utters grumbling words, he will be one step closer to hell.
2 Ti 3:1-5『But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God―having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.』
The Bible teaches us not to conform to this unthankful world. People easily forget favors received. They tend to attribute success to themselves, and failure to others. They are ungrateful, and they can hardly be moved and grateful. They do not give thanks to God for His grace. They easily complain when a small inconvenience happens to them. Jesus tells us to turn away from such people. We are to learn the attitude of being thankful through the teachings of God.
In the days of Jesus, ten lepers were all healed by the word of Jesus, but only one of them came back to thank Jesus after they were healed; and Jesus felt grieved by their ungrateful attitude (Lk 17:11-19).
Because of the current economic recession, many families are suffering from financial hardships. Under this difficult situation, however, if we understand God’s will and give thanks to Him, we will be blessed with better circumstances. There is a country where the average family income is only 10% of ours. Nevertheless, the people in that country do not complain about their circumstances. Considering this, it is the discontented people who are really poor and unhappy.
We have the hope for heaven. Though we are in a somewhat difficult situation, we should not be disheartened or resentful, for we have the most precious treasure in the world.
Thanksgiving brings the things to be thankful for
When we are content and satisfied, we can understand God’s will―why God put me in these kinds of situations. Now, let’s think what we can do for God who has been sacrificed to save us and leads us into the kingdom of heaven.
Isa 14:24『The LORD Almighty has sworn, “Surely, as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will stand.”』
God’s plan and purpose are to be surely fulfilled. “Give thanks in all circumstances.” This is God’s will. To thankful people God gives things to be thankful for; to grumbling people He gives things to be ungrateful for. We are to give thanks in any and all circumstances.
Joy comes from contentment; it disappears when discontent arises. If one of us is discontent, Zion cannot overflow with joy. When we are all content with what we have, whether it is little or much, Zion will be perfectly beautiful in God’s sight.
We are so thankful to God for saving us. How much more should we thank Him for entrusting us with the precious duty of the ministers of the new covenant? In preaching the gospel, it doesn’t matter wherever we are or what position or title we have in the Church.
Discontentment comes from covetousness; as the proverb goes, “Greed has no limits.” He who is content with what he has can live a happy and satisfied life. However, a discontent person always wants more than what he has; sometimes he even invents something evil, staying up all night.
Let us learn to be content and joyful in all things. When we are in a difficult situation, we ought to think what God’s will is and endure, being more thankful. Jonah the prophet was even placed in the awful situation of being in the belly of a fish. If he had complained in that situation, he would not have been able to fulfill God’s purpose to save about 120,000 people in Nineveh. He realized his mistake and repented. And once out of the belly of the fish, he boldly preached God’s message, giving thanks to God for saving his life.
Grumbling people are discontent with anything and everything. God placed Jonah in a desperate situation, and enabled him to have the right attitude of faith and to make a glorious achievement deserving of eternal rewards in heaven.
Destruction of grumbling people
We shouldn’t be discouraged by our surroundings; like Jonah, we are to remember God’s grace and give thanks even in difficult situations.
1 Co 10:4-12『and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. . . . And do not grumble, as some of them did―and were killed by the destroying angel. These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!』
Complaint is an expression of discontentment and dissatisfaction. The Israelites poured out their complaints to God whenever they were a little inconvenienced in the desert. “There is no water. There is no food. Why doesn’t God lead us the shortest way? . . . ” Thus they continually grumbled, and in the end they failed to enter the land of Canaan; all their bodies fell in the desert.
It may be a virtue to feel lacking in many ways. However, if we feel discontent or dissatisfied with what we have, we become grumblers. What happened to the Israelites in the desert serves as a warning for us. When we face difficult situations, if there is God’s purpose for us, we should be content; and if we are given favorable circumstances for the propagation of the gospel in accordance with God’s will, we should be more content and grateful. By putting us in various situations God purifies and refines us until we reach heaven. Understanding the redemptive purpose of God for us, we are to give thanks in every circumstance or situation, praying that we may find all our lost brothers and sisters. Then God will be pleased and give us more blessings.
God has a purpose for everything. We must find it. Though we are physically poor and lacking, we are spiritually rich. Let us overcome circumstances rather than surrender to them and be more involved in the gospel work.
Let us habitually express our thanks to people around us. As God has taught us, we need to be thankful to each other all the time: at home, husbands to wives, wives to husbands, parents to children and children to parents. Thus, we should spread the practice of gratefulness to our neighbors, society and the whole world. Since people are discontent and envious, wars and disputes arise among them. Let’s try harder to make the world a happier place where all are content and thankful. Such is the kingdom of heaven.
When we feel something lacking, let’s fill our hearts with contentment and thanksgiving. Then God will give us abundant fruit. I hope all of us in Zion live a content life and receive all blessings by obeying the words of our Heavenly Father and Mother. God bless you Brothers and Sisters.
By: Bell on January 8, 2012
at 11:29 am
Mother would say that Father greatly blesses those who give lots of thanks to Him, emphasizing the words of the Bible, “Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God”s will for you in Christ Jesus” (1 Th 5:16-18).
I believe that our brothers and sisters in Zion give thanks and glory to God always, just as Mother said.
God fulfills everything: It is God Himself who accomplishes the gospel.
When we believe that and give thanks, glory and praise to God for everything, He will quickly lead all our heavenly brothers and sisters, scattered around the world, to Zion. The gospel does not depend on our abilities.
Realizing that, we should devote ourselves to prayer, with thanksgiving and joy, so that we may fully accomplish the gospel entrusted to us by God.
A conductor and his baton
A musician was conducting a large choir before a hymn contest. He put all his energy into conducting, because the contest was a big event to be held in front of many people. When a rehearsal was held the day before the contest, he directed the choir and the members” voices were all well-harmonized. The conductor was very satisfied, and he put down his baton to have a break.
Then the baton rolled over to one side and spoke to the stage.
“Stage, stage! Did you see how powerful I was today?”
The stage asked in wonder.
“I”ve never seen you conduct. How can you now say that you”ve directed the choir?”
“Didn”t you hear the choir singing a few minutes ago? How perfectly did their voices harmonize? Wasn”t the sound absolutely massive? How about the dynamic control? I myself conducted the choir.”
As the baton spoke boastfully, the stage laughed and replied,
“It is not you who directed the choir. You are merely an instrument used by the conductor. Do you really not know that?”
The baton suddenly burst into anger and said,
“What are you talking about? Didn”t you hear the music moving to the beat of the baton? The choir was directed by myself.”
While they quarreled with each other, the conductor rose from his seat after taking a break. He looked around but couldn”t find the baton. Then he rolled up a sheet of music, which was held in his hand, and started to conduct with it. Though he directed without the baton, the choir sounded even more beautiful than before.
After the song finished, the stage whispered.
“Did you hear the choir singing? You were just held by the conductor, who waved you.”
God conducts everything
This is the important point which we must understand: As ministers of the new covenant, we are like the baton, and God is the Conductor who holds us and accomplishes everything for our salvation.
Isa 46:10-11『”I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do.”』
God directs and manages all things. He has been holding us safe and using us until now; He has granted us the capacity to carry out His work. That is why we have become who we are today. It is not because we have a fluent tongue or special ability that God has called us.
Isa 43:1-3『But now, this is what the LORD says—he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior . . . “』
Ro 11:25-27『 . . . “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”』
God is our Deliverer in Zion, and we are God”s blessed ones in His hands.
Therefore, we should continuously give glory and praise to God for blessing us with salvation. We were sinners who couldn”t save ourselves, to say nothing of others. However, God saved us and invited us to participate in the work of preaching the good news for the salvation of souls. We should constantly give thanks and praise to God for using us as His instruments for the gospel.
We are God”s instruments for the gospel
As God”s instruments, we are to move according to His will so that we may display His glory. This is very significant. If God uses us, we will be given honor and praise in the world (Zep 3:14-20). When we are used by God as His noble instruments in His hands, we can accomplish great things like Paul and Peter did.
We must not think that we can do everything by ourselves like the baton. It is not by our works that we are saved and bear fruit.
We are just like the baton; God holds us in His hands and uses us as His instruments. Only God, our Conductor, can create a graceful and harmonized sound. It is not the baton itself that deserves praise, but the conductor. God may use a rolled up sheet of music instead of the baton: He can raise up children for Abraham out of stones (Lk 3:8) and use the stones to reveal His will (Lk 19:40). Remembering this, we shall give more thanks and praise to God.
Mt 25:14-17『”Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. . . .”』
The Bible teaches that everything we have comes from God. If we each have any talent or strength, it is not our own, but it”s a God-given talent that we should properly use for the sake of the gospel.
Everyone has different talents: If a pastor has no ability to do anything, it can be done by a brother or sister; and new brothers and sisters, full of zeal and thanksgiving, bear more fruit than existing members. Considering this, we can see that God”s work depends on the attitude of the person whom God has used; it doesn”t matter what position or title he/she has and how long he/she has been in the church. God has promised to reward us according to our works. Whatever situations we face, we are to be faithful to God, without neglecting the little things in the gospel.
The attitude of those who are worthy of the kingdom of heaven
As a conductor displays his ability through his baton, so God accomplishes His work through us. God alone is worthy to receive all glory. However, He shares the glory with us. We must not think that we are worthy of such glory.
If we foolishly bring the glory to ourselves, we will not enter the eternal kingdom. In the book of Revelation, we find the elders and the living creatures in heaven constantly giving glory to God who lives for ever and ever.
Rev 4:8-11『Each of the four living creatures . . . Day and night they never stop saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.” Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say: “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, . . . “』
‘O God, we”ve been saved by Your grace. That is sufficient for us. Moreover, You are now giving us these brilliant crowns. We are not worthy of such glory.” With this thought, the elders took off their crowns and laid them before God. This is the attitude of those who are worthy to enter heaven.
God is our Savior, worthy to be praised forever (Ro 9:5). He alone is worthy to receive glory and honor.
Sing praise to God every day
We, who are in Zion, are blessed ones in God”s hands. We should continuously give thanks to God for using us as a mighty baton in His hand to conduct the whole universe. And we should praise God the mighty Creator who made the universe and everything in it and saved us by His grace. God is worthy to receive our praise and glory for ever and ever; for He created and prepared everything for us.
Eph 1:3-6『Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.』
Thus, the apostles understood the grace of God, and they constantly gave thanks and praise to Him and preached the gospel, full of joy. This is the faith of the Early Church that we are to learn today.
I believe all our brothers and sisters in Zion practice the words, “Be joyful always.” It is God Himself who gives us the gift of joy. Remembering that, we shall keep on smiling and praise God every day. If we thus always smile and praise God, we will deeply understand the providence of God who gives us joy and happiness, and He will not regret having saved us but be completely satisfied in us. Let us commit everything to God and submit ourselves under His hand, preaching the gospel to the whole world as ministers of the new covenant.
We can bear the fruit of the gospel when giving glory to God
In 2003, when the Daegu subway fire tragedy occurred, our brothers and sisters provided free meals for the bereaved families and consoled them for a couple of months. I received many favorable comments on the volunteer work, and I was especially pleased to hear that not only the bereaved families but also other religious volunteer groups were all deeply impressed by our church members and constantly commended them for giving glory to God alone. They said that while other people sought glory for themselves, the members of the Church of God gave all glory to God, saying that God had taught them to do good work and given them the opportunity to do such volunteer work.
Without God”s teachings, we would not become what we are today and the Church of God would not become what it is today, either. We give thanks to God for having called us to be His children. We shall continually give glory and praise to our Heavenly Father and Mother for leading us all.
It is not by the baton itself that a beautiful and harmonized sound is created, but by the conductor”s ability. God is our Conductor directing the spiritual world: He has used us, people of Zion, as His instruments. When we harmonize with each other and give glory, praise, thanks and honor to God for everything, God”s work of salvation will be accomplished quickly.
In order to preach the gospel to the whole world—even to the ends of the earth, we should all be held in God”s hand and guided by Him. Although there is a gold baton, it is useless unless it is held in a conductor”s hand.
Guided by God”s hand, let us create a beautiful harmony and bear good fruit as God”s children.
The more we give glory to God, the more He will use us. Brothers and sisters in Zion, let us all participate in the work of preaching the gospel to the whole world, praying that God will use us for many blessed things and always giving praise and glory to Him. Elohim bless you.
By: Bell on January 15, 2012
at 7:38 am
In March 28, 2010 someone wrote a post on a blog, where they explain that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit, and I quote:
“From these verses, it looks like the Holy Spirit seals us to show that we belong to Him when we believe…”
then they go on to quote the following verses to discredit the teaching of the World Mission Society Church of God that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Ephesians 1:13-14 — …Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…
Ephesians 4:30-32 — And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed…
But these verses do not contradict the teaching that the Passover is the way to receive the Seal of God. To understand this verses correctly, first you need to have a correct interpretation of the Trinity, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same God. As the Bible explains Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 — You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you, And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
here the Spirit of God is referred to as the Spirit of Christ. Thus Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same one.
Acts 16:6-7 — …having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. …but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.
Here the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus are the same. Thus Jesus is the Holy Spirit. one more:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 — …set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit…
Galatians 4:6 — Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts…
There are more testimonies in the Bible about this, but I will omit them for the sake of space. The above verses should be sufficient to let you understand that to receive the Holy Spirit in us, would be the same as to receiving Christ in us. Then how can we receive Christ in us?
John 6:53-55 — Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Jesus himself declared that when we receive His body and blood He remains in us and we in him, thus we receive Christ in us. Then how can we receive the body and the blood Christ? as per Jesus Himself:
Luke 22:13, 19-20 – They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared for the Passover… And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Then through the Passover we can receive Jesus Christ in us, thus we receive the Holy Spirit in us as well.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of God, but by celebrating the Passover we can have confirmation from God that we have received the seal of God. Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother Jerusalem for teaching us this precious Passover of the New Covenant.
By: Bell on January 18, 2012
at 10:29 am
lol, catholics r so dumb in the brain….
By: Lol on January 24, 2012
at 1:13 pm
I HAVE ALREADY COME! (ATLANTA ZION)
Part 1
Part 2
I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME!
WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM!
WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI!
NEW JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
HER BRIGHTNESS
HER GREAT SALVATION
HAS APPEARED TO US
IN THE EYES OF ALL NATIONS
OUR MOTHER SHINES HER GLORY TO ALL
ALL THE WORLD SEE HER GREAT MIGHTY WORKS
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE WAY OF LIFE, HAS BEEN OPENED
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE SHOUTING OF ANGELS IS HEARD
GOD ALMIGHTY HEAVEN’S MOTHER REIGNS
IN ZION, IN ZION, WITH AUTHORITY
SHOUT TO THE WORLD! THE WORLD IS FREED
FROM THE CHAIN OF SIN AND DEATH FOREVERMORE
OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
THEY ARE NOW REDEEMED!
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD!
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL THE NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
By: Bell on January 29, 2012
at 7:49 pm
I HAVE ALREADY COME! (NEW YORK ZION)
Part 1
Part 2
I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME!
WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM!
WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI!
NEW JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
HER BRIGHTNESS
HER GREAT SALVATION
HAS APPEARED TO US
IN THE EYES OF ALL NATIONS
OUR MOTHER SHINES HER GLORY TO ALL
ALL THE WORLD SEE HER GREAT MIGHTY WORKS
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE WAY OF LIFE, HAS BEEN OPENED
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE SHOUTING OF ANGELS IS HEARD
GOD ALMIGHTY HEAVEN’S MOTHER REIGNS
IN ZION, IN ZION, WITH AUTHORITY
SHOUT TO THE WORLD! THE WORLD IS FREED
FROM THE CHAIN OF SIN AND DEATH FOREVERMORE
OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
THEY ARE NOW REDEEMED!
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD!
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL THE NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
By: Bell on January 29, 2012
at 8:00 pm
I HAVE ALREADY COME
Part 3 (NEW YORK ZION)
I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME!
WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM!
WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI!
NEW JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
HER BRIGHTNESS
HER GREAT SALVATION
HAS APPEARED TO US
IN THE EYES OF ALL NATIONS
OUR MOTHER SHINES HER GLORY TO ALL
ALL THE WORLD SEE HER GREAT MIGHTY WORKS
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE WAY OF LIFE, HAS BEEN OPENED
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE SHOUTING OF ANGELS IS HEARD
GOD ALMIGHTY HEAVEN’S MOTHER REIGNS
IN ZION, IN ZION, WITH AUTHORITY
SHOUT TO THE WORLD! THE WORLD IS FREED
FROM THE CHAIN OF SIN AND DEATH FOREVERMORE
OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
THEY ARE NOW REDEEMED!
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD!
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL THE NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
By: Bell on January 30, 2012
at 10:53 pm
I HAVE ALREADY COME! (DENVER ZION)
Part 1
Part 2
I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME! I HAVE ALREADY COME!
WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM! WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM!
WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI! WE LOVE OMONI!
NEW JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
HER BRIGHTNESS
HER GREAT SALVATION
HAS APPEARED TO US
IN THE EYES OF ALL NATIONS
OUR MOTHER SHINES HER GLORY TO ALL
ALL THE WORLD SEE HER GREAT MIGHTY WORKS
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE WAY OF LIFE, HAS BEEN OPENED
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE SHOUTING OF ANGELS IS HEARD
GOD ALMIGHTY HEAVEN’S MOTHER REIGNS
IN ZION, IN ZION, WITH AUTHORITY
SHOUT TO THE WORLD! THE WORLD IS FREED
FROM THE CHAIN OF SIN AND DEATH FOREVERMORE
OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
THEY ARE NOW REDEEMED!
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD!
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL THE NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
By: Bell on January 29, 2012
at 8:06 pm
world mission church of god ahnsahnghong is a cult.
By: miras on February 5, 2012
at 10:08 am
If the Church of God is a Cult! Then Christianity itself is a cult
Many people who slander the World Mission Society Church of God makes accusations saying the this church is a cult. However, they didn’t understand that 2000 years ago when Jesus established all the truth, the Jews and Pharisees also accused Jesus’ church is a cult. Reading the Bible itself, let us see through verses from the Bible that the standard of a cult that those people who slander Church of God makes Christianity and all other religions a cult:
1) Cults Claim to Have all Knowing leadership:
John 21:17 {the third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.}
2) Cults only teach you up to what you are able to believe:
Hebrews 5:11 {We much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.}
3) Cults claim no room for differences (Everybody is the same):
Colossians 3:11 {Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.}
4) Cults claim to introduce a new and better way:
Hebrews 7:18-19 {the former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.}
5) Cult members should imitate cult leader:
Philippians 2:5 {your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus}
Also Colossians 3:11 of example 3.
6) Cults isolate you from your family:
Matthew 10:37 {anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me}
7) Cults Brainwash ignorant and people who have no critical thinking.
Acts 4:13 {when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.}
8) Cults Recruit people:
Mk 16:15-16 {He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned}
9) Cults always claim Persecution of the Leader:
Acts 22:6-8 {“About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.}
10) Cults have ignorant leaders:
John 7:14-16 {Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”}
11) Cults try to keep members busy:
Acts 2:46-47 {every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
12) Cult leaders always try to gain your trust:
John 14:1 {“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me}
13) Cults believe that by your actions you prove your faith:
James 2:17 {in the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, Is dead.}
14) Cults claim salvation is through obedience before the end comes:
Matthew 24:42 {“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.}
15) Cults make members dependant to the cult leader:
John 15:5 {“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.}
16) Cults claim that there is no exit apart from the cult:
John 6:67-68 {“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.}
17) Cult members claim to have “Spiritual Battles”:
Ephesians 6:12 {for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.}
18) Cults try to keep things secret:
Matthew 17:9 {As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”}
19) Cult leaders claim to be the only way, and supreme authority:
John 14:6 {Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.}
And for the sake of space and time, I omitted the teachings of: Judaism, Mohammed, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, Copernicus, Galileo…etc.
If we are going to judge groups and organizations by these standards, then every single organization and religion is a cult. We should not judge the Church of God by these standards, rather we should see if the teachings that the Church practices come from God or not. To label the World Mission Society Church of God as a cult is no different from when the Jewish religious leaders called the Apostles a Nazarene sect. Please don’t commit the same mistake as 2,000 years ago.
By: Bell on February 7, 2012
at 6:14 pm
It is believed among Christians that when Second Coming Christ comes, He will bring judgement at the same time. We must be clear in regards to this matter because a lack of understanding can keep us from entering the Kingdom of Heaven. What did our Heavenly say 2,000 years ago in respect to His Second Coming and Judgement Day?
Mat 24:4 “…and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
The disciples are asking for TWO signs. The sign of the end of the age AND the sign of His Second Coming. Through the Bible let’s understand these are TWO SEPARATE events and not the same one.
CONCERNING JESUS COMING WITH FIRE:
2 Thessalonians 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power 10
When Jesus appears “in blazing fire” he will come to “punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus… with everlasting destruction” ; This is speaking of the Day of Judgement since the punishment is everlasting destruction, there is no salvation when God Almighty comes in blazing fire. At this point God had already given everyone the opportunity to receive the Savior. Those who refused the truth and didn’t come to the savior will be judged with everlasting punishment. Conclusion, when God comes with fire, He comes to judge and NOT to bring salvation. Let’s see one more verse concerning His coming in blazing fire.
Isaiah 66:15-17 15 See, the LORD is coming with fire,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For with fire and with his sword
the LORD will execute judgment upon all men,
and many will be those slain by the LORD.
According to the prophet Isaiah, He will bring JUDGEMENT when he APPEARS WITH FIRE. It is undeniable, when Christ comes with Fire, this will be Judgement day, NOT HIS SECOND COMING!
CONCERNING JESUS SECOND COMING:
Luke 21:27~28 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”Matthew 24:30~31 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Based on what the Bible says, the sign of Jesus’ Second Coming will be “CLOUDS” … The sign of THE END OF THE AGE will be Jesus appearing with “BLAZING FIRE”.
First of all, Christ will appear a Second time to bring Salvation, when He comes among the clouds of Heaven. He will deliver the Word of God and those who do not receive it will be plagued with everlasting destruction on the day He appears with blazing fire…
Will Jesus come riding on a cloud? Is this to be interpreted literally? Let’s just say this: “If Jesus comes on a real cloud and we fail to believe this, we will be destroyed. If the clouds represent something else, and we fail to understand what clouds actually mean, we will be destroy” — The goal of every Christian is salvation. As Christians, let’s understand what the clouds mean according to the BIBLE, NOT A MAN’S INTERPRETATION!
Matthew 13:34-36
34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. 35 So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:
“I will open my mouth in parables,
I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”
Parable is a story with a hidden meaning, therefore, Jesus coming on a cloud doesn’t literally mean that he will come on an actual cloud. What is the prophetical meaning of “Clouds” in the Bible?
Jude 1:12
“These men are… shepherds who feed only themselves. They (these men) are clouds without rain…”
Proverbs 25:14
Like clouds and wind without rain is a man who boasts of gifts he does not give.
Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses…
According to the words spoken by the prophet the clouds represent MEN, in other words, flesh.
Through the word of God it is clear that clouds represents flesh. Thus confirming, when Christ comes, he will not come on a literal cloud, let’s read the passage once again:
Matthew 24:30
“At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
By: Bell on February 8, 2012
at 10:26 am
I HAVE ALREADY COME (OKLAHOMA ZION)
I HAVE ALREADY COME!
WHO HAS ALREADY COME?
OUR FATHER AHNSAHNGHONG NIM HAS ALREADY COME!
FOLLOW HIM! FOLLOW HIM!
WE FOLLOW HIM!
LET’S ALL FOLLOW HIM!
WE LOVE AHNSAHNGHONG NIM!
WE LOVE OMONI!
WE LOVE YOU!
WE LOVE YOU!
WE LOVE YOU!
NEW JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, NEW JERUSALEM
HER BRIGHTNESS
HER GREAT SALVATION
HAS APPEARED TO US
IN THE EYES OF ALL NATIONS
OUR MOTHER SHINES HER GLORY TO ALL
ALL THE WORLD SEE HER GREAT MIGHTY WORKS
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE WAY OF LIFE, HAS BEEN OPENED
FROM ENDS OF THE EARTH IN THE EAST
THE SHOUTING OF ANGELS IS HEARD
GOD ALMIGHTY HEAVEN’S MOTHER REIGNS
IN ZION, IN ZION, WITH AUTHORITY
SHOUT TO THE WORLD! THE WORLD IS FREED
FROM THE CHAIN OF SIN AND DEATH FOREVERMORE
OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
THEY ARE NOW REDEEMED!
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD!
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
NOW LET’S GO, GO TO THE WORLD
GO CROSSING OCEANS TO ALL THE NATIONS
WHERE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS ARE
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD
TO THE PEOPLES, TO THE NATIONS
LET’S GO TO THE WORLD!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
By: Bell on February 8, 2012
at 11:34 am
Christian Cult Claims Barney is Jesus
LOS ANGELES (EAP) – “Barney is Christ returned,” says a growing group of Los Angeles Christians who worship the purple dinosaur. Current figures show the cult has a following of nearly 5,000 and is expanding rather quickly in the Los Angeles area.
“We feel the love and caring that Barney is encouraging is so similar to what Jesus taught, that it’s not merely a coincidence, but a divine gift from God,” says Ruth Thomas, founder of the Barney Coalition For God. “There’s no doubt in my mind that Barney is the reincarnation of Jesus,” she said.
George Thomas, Ruth’s husband of 25 years, says he dosen’t agree with his wife, but has given up trying to convince her that she’s merely making a big fuss out of the purple dinosaur’s popularity just as MJ in south Korea
“I’ve tried to explain to her that Barney is just a character meant for children, so is Mother Jerusalem one of the billion people living in this world without any powers. But brainwashed cult members will refuse to listen.
Mrs. Thomas has been in contact with several television stations in the Los Angeles area in an attempt to create an adult television program which features Barney as an evangelist, but has yet to receive any interest. The videos above put up by Bell is just the same
“We’ll just have to continue passing out our pamphlets to people at the airport and on street corners for now,” she said. Yes even WMSCOG does that.
It won’t be surprising to see Barney’s members hopping too singing
(WMSCOG and the Barneys lyrics have a lot in common)
Barney is a dinosaur
From our imagination,
And when he’s tall, he’s what we call
A dinosaur sensation.
Barney’s friends are big and small;
They come from lots of places. (ZION)
After school they meet to play
And sing with happy faces (brothers and sisters)
Barney shows us lots of things
Like how to play pretend, (Mother and Father GOD)
ABC’s, and 123’s,
And how to be a friend.
Barney comes to play with us
Whenever we may need him. (hugs and tears)
Barney can be your friend too,
If you just make-believe him
I love you, (We Luv You foundation)
You love me,
We’re a happy family,
with a great big hug,
and a kiss from me to you,
Won’t you say you love me TOO!
If one notices these videos of “I have already come” with WMSCOG members parading are only in the streets of America . They fail to show demonstration of their freedom of speech and thought in places like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and North korea. Bell these countries need you. Why do you waste so much of time here? Your MJ powers will be seen when you post some videos taken there of “I have already come” “I have already come”
Mother and Father will truly bless you.
By: stella on February 18, 2012
at 11:46 pm
Bell, you’ve brought up the argument that if WMSCOG is a cult then all of Christianity is a cult. The thing is, your argument has a hole in it: WMSCOG denies that any other doctrine or denomination outside of COG is heresy. Christianity, however, is made up of many differing denominations due to certain small details in doctrine being emphasized more or less. For example, it will be more common to witness healing crusades and utterances of tongues, prophecy and etc in a pentecostal or assembly of God church, rather than in a southern baptist or methodist church. While some Catholic churches are cultic because they do not believe Protestants are saved, there are some Catholics who do agree that Protestants are saved and simply have differing viewpoints on the order of church liturgy and how christians should live lives.
The main thing is all of these churches agree on the big points: God created the universe, including humanity. All of humanity is made up of sinners, not one is without sin. Christ, fully God & man, came down to earth to do His Father’s will and die on the cross in persecution for the punishment of the sins of the world. Christ rose again, and anyone that believes in Him and repents shall now be baptized into His identity, be filled with the Holy Spirit at the very moment of salvation, and then has eternal life. It is by Jesus Christ’s atonement alone that we find salvation, and no other God or amount of works could fulfill it otherwise.
Any Christian church that accepts these main points is not a cult. They can argue amongst themselves whether or not one can lose salvation, spiritual gifts, whether to eat clean or unclean things, etc. and still be the true church and not on a cult borderline.
A cult is a cult when it starts to twist or deny the main doctrinal points that make the true Christ into something else. That is why I believe the WMSCOG to be a cult: it lacks solid doctrine, lacks room for individual opinions on certain matters and expects everyone to believe that Jesus Christ is not who He used to be and is now under a “new name”, albeit Korean instead of Jewish!
Again, nothing against Koreans, but I truly believe our Lord and Savior will still have the scars from the nails driven into His hands just as our doubting Thomas was able to touch Jesus’ hands and feet.
That’s the TRUE Christ to me. All other “christs” are false deceivers who are plotted of the devil and will be punished for their deception unless they repent of their actions out of conviction and a sudden love for God and His truth.
By: Pierce on February 13, 2012
at 1:33 pm
LIFT UP YOUR EYES AND SEE THE UNIVERSE
SHINING BRIGHT WITH THE LIGHT OF STARS
THERE WILL BE A HEAVENLY BANQUET
HELD AT EVERY STAR
THE SEA OF GLASS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL
IS NOW WAITING FOR US
HEAVENLY FATHER’S CALLING US
“COME QUICKLY HOME, MY DEARS”
A BEAUTIFUL SONG OF ANGELS IS HEARD FROM HEAVEN
THE GALAXY OF THE MILKY WAY
FLOWS LIKE A RIVER
THE CROWN OF LIFE MADE OF PURE GOLD
HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR US
THE DAY WHEN WE WILL GO BACK
TO HEAVEN IS VERY NEAR
LET US SPREAD OPEN WIDE
OUR WINGS OF FREEDOM AND HOPE FOR HEAVEN
LET THE WHOLE WORLD THE GREATNESS OF
OUR HOLY MOTHER NEW JERUSALEM
AMEN!
By: Bell on February 15, 2012
at 9:47 pm
The character Abraham is used to represent God in the Bible. Through the history of Abraham’s family, God has revealed to us how we can inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac was the one who received Abraham’s inheritance. Even though Abraham had another son named Ishmael, born through Hagar, God did not allow Ishmael to receive the inheritance of Abraham. Rather, God bestowed the inheritance upon Isaac, who was born through Sarah. The reason why Isaac was chosen as Abraham’s heir was that Isaac was the son of Sarah, who was free. This history shows us that the heavenly inheritance will be given to those who are born of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that our heavenly Mother does in fact exist and that She is truly the biggest mystery hidden within the Bible.
Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Abraham Represents God
First of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.
Luke 16:19-31 『”…The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham…’ “』
As you know, this parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham can be likened to the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac, the Heir of Abraham
Then, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir. There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Gen. 15:1-4 『…But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』
When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.
Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.
Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』
When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three?Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac?Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
The Key Factor in Deciding an Heir Is “Mother”
Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir. Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.
In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir?that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.
What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.
Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother?only the children who are born through the new covenant?can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:22-31 『…But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother…Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
In today’s world, there are three types of people: those who are like Eliezer, those like Ishmael, and those who are like Isaac. The first type of people, who are like Eliezer, are atheists, who do not believe in Father God or in Mother God. The second type of people, who are like Ishmael, are those who believe in Father God, but do not believe in Mother God. The third type of people, who are like Isaac, are those who believe in Mother God as well as Father God. According to the history of Abraham’s family, which one of these three types can become an heir of the kingdom of heaven? Only the third type of people, who are like Isaac, can be recognized as God’s heirs. There is no doubt about it.
Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.
God said, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). What kind of knowledge is God referring to in this verse? We must recognize that we have a God the Mother, as well as a God the Father. We must accept Elohim God. Also, we must firmly believe that God is our Mother, who gives us salvation alongside our Father. Only after we come to realize this can we say that we have the knowledge of God, and that we will not be those who are destroyed from a “lack of knowledge.”
The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven.
By: Bell on February 19, 2012
at 11:47 pm
If God comes down to this earth and has his own physical family, is it evil?
If so, why do we have families?
Everything that God created in this earth has a purpose, and eventually is for us to understand about the divine nature of God hidden through the creation. In order to understand about God coming in the flesh let’s find out who made the family system of the earth:
Genesis 1: 26-31 “Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so. God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.”
On the six day God created male and female, that is Adam and Eve, after God let them have a family God said: “and it was very good” when He saw it. God made the family system on this earth and saw that it was very good. Can we say that to have a family system is good in regards to man but evil when it is in regards to God?
Human beings on this earth are all sinners who sin in heaven, whatever we may do; the fact that we are sinners does not change. However, God is good; He reveals His glory in the family system. Just as in God’s first coming, in His second coming too, God has to come to this earth through the family system.
Today the devil tries to hinder Christ Ahnsahnghong in the same way he tried to hinder Jesus Christ 2000 years ago; he blames God for coming in the flesh. The devil makes people to become more curious about physical things so that they would lose their faith.
So, the Jews spoke blasphemous words towards Him:
Matthew 13:55 ““Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” And they took offense at him.”
John 6:42 “They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
John 10:33 ““We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
They rejected the Lord their savior shouting, “let His blood be on us and our children” Matthew 27:25
As a result they were all destroyed and punished to eternal hell.
The bible also testifies the punishment of those who despised Jerusalem through history:
Zechariah 14:12 “This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. On that day people will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another.”
For a nation or a kingdom that does not serve you, will perish and utterly ruin.
Today too, the evil one is defaming and blaspheming Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother God in every unmentionable way just because God has come in the flesh. Therefore we must not be the children who are deceived by the evil rumor of the wicked and betray God once again.
How do you think the Christians who proclaim to believe in Jesus answer you when you ask them: “Why was Jesus treated no better than a beast? Why was He despised and was killed in the cross? They would probably answer like this? – “Is for our salvation that Jesus lived that kind of life and suffer.”
If you come to stop and examine Jesus physical genealogy and think: “Why did Jesus has to go through all this if He is God?” So Christians commemorate the stable in Bethlehem, a shabby looking place where animals are given birth not men, and even draw pictures and make images of it. However, those same Christians despise the Second Coming of Christ, Ahnsahnghong, for coming in the flesh and having His own physical family and they ridicule Him for His indigent life. But even those same people regard Jesus’ first ministry done in poverty working as a carpenter as a Holy sacrifice and take pride in believing in God who came as a men, that is truly a contradiction. Moreover, the Catholic Church worships Jesus’ physical mother, the Virgin Mary, and emphasize in Jesus’ physical family who is incarnated meanwhile they denied the Second Coming Jesus who has come as a man with His physical family.
Then, why do you think Heavenly Mother has come in human form? Why do you think Heavenly Mother has been living a life of suffering alone? It is for our salvation! It is because of our sins. The bible gives a clear answer that God the Mother has come to this earth, and lived such a life as a desolate woman because of us. The bible says that Heavenly Mother came from Heaven because of our sins and transgressions.
Isaiah 50:1 “This is what the LORD says: “Where is your mother’s certificate of divorce with which I sent her away? Or to which of my creditors did I sell you? Because of your sins you were sold; because of your transgressions your mother was sent away”
The Bible also says that the reason why God came to this earth as a man is to destroy the devil and helps free His children who are slave to sin and death. According to the words He has to be made like His brothers in every way:
Hebrews 2:14-17 “Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
Christ came to this earth in a family system like us, his children. Because of our sins God is forced to live in these surroundings. We are saved only because God lived such a life of suffering. So we feel very sorry to our Heavenly Mother and hang our heads down low before Her.
The bible clearly testifies that Mother walks such a path of pain to accomplish the gospel work. Although Mother suffers as the desolate woman for our salvation, numerous children are coming back into Her arms, and the children who have flown from all nations are asking Mother to expand their Zion as it is prophesied in the bible.
Now we consider that our Church of God World Mission Society stands as a strong nation, we see the victory in the field of the gospel all around the world. However, satan knows his time is almost done and tries to hinder us through every kind of evil schemes, so that people cannot believe in our Heavenly Mother who is our savior. Despite all the hindrance from satan our church is growing to shine to glory of God Elohim. Why do you think that it?
In the early church 3000 people were baptized in a day, today such evangelism is occurring in the Church of God World Mission Society. Many people has been baptized in the place where Heavenly Mother is and come to Her to receive the water of life. Can you feel how great Mother’s sacrifice has been, and how much She has suffered to see the glory of Zion shine as it is today.
Father Ahnsahnghong has suffered also extreme pain to reveal to us our Heavenly Mother of life. They have both kept on working and preaching the whole day to find Their lost heavenly children. Mother’s Holy love for us is prophesied in the bible and now is being fulfilled.
In the bible there are many children mentioned. How can children exist without a Mother? Since it is written that the children of the desolate woman are many (Galatians 4:27) the fact that there is spiritual children, that there are spiritual sons and daughters, testify that there is a spiritual Mother.
Also is written that the dragon (satan) is enraged against the women(our Mother) and went out to make war against the rest of Her offspring. Here what would the rest of her offspring call the women? No doubt, Mother! So, the one the dragon is enraged at, is God.
However here he is enraged at the women, so God is Heavenly Mother. The Bible clearly testifies that he who stands against Heavenly Mother is the devil. That is why satan is spreading evil rumors through the internet and blaspheming our Heavenly Mother, we can confirm even more that our Mother is God.
We have met Heavenly Mother who has come in the flesh. Then, what kind of faith should we children of God have? As the bible says, from now on we should not regard no one in the worldly point of view, thou we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. We should not see Mother with physical eyes, but feel Her divine nature hidden within Her.
Mother is Holy and Almighty God Elohim, since we met our Mother in this earth who came in the flesh. From now on we will not regard Her from a worldly point of view, we will believe that She is Holy God with all the fullness of the Deity and receive Her. We will fathom Mother’s suffering and sacrifice hidden in Her smile. In Heaven we rebelled against Mother and even tried to kill Her, however, Mother has come to this earth to save us and has gone through so much suffering that whenever we think about this Mother’s grace pierces our heart.
Through the great sacrifice of Heavenly Mother we are allowed to go back to the Kingdom of Heaven and receive many blessings from our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong who is waiting for us. God bless you Brothers and Sisters.
By: Bell on February 21, 2012
at 12:38 pm
Bell, I must thank you. As much as I dislike so much space taken up by your copy-and-paste sermons, it is very useful to see the train of thought of the WMSCOG.
I had wondered how the wmscog was handling the “Ahnsahnghong has his own children” revelation. I notice it’s just like other problems they encounter–distract from the real problem and shift the subject to something else.
According to long-time members I’ve talked with, the wmscog taught for YEARS that Ahnsahnghong had no natural children. Now they admit that yes, he did.
1. Why would the wmscog teach such a thing if it was not true? How many other things did they teach that were untrue? Why should anyone trust a church that does this?
2. If a human is actually God in the flesh, and he (or she) has natural-born children, are the children gods too? Do you see the problem with that? The idea is not whether it’s ‘evil’ for God to have His own physical family when it’s good that humans have theirs. It’s a matter of practicality. Was Ahnsahnghong God in the flesh or not. If you say he was, then what are his children? Doesn’t the wmscog preach about children taking the image of their parents?
3. Why do you change the focus to Jesus being part of a natural family with parents and siblings? That has nothing to do with a God-in-the-flesh having his own natural-born children.
4. You said, “The devil makes people to become more curious about physical things so that they would lose their faith.” Think of all those other false religions and people who claim to be Christ. How does a person discern falsehood? By comparing it to what they know is objectively true. The Bible is often interpreted in various ways, but physical things and historical things can be the solid truth, a starting point for distinguishing what is false.
Bell, I can imagine that you and your friends are having a hard time reconciling all of these things. Maybe you are reluctant to admit that a church you have invested so much time and love and money into has proven false after all. You’ve probably been a part of it for so long that to leave it and all your friends and the life that you’ve built there, would seem like cutting off your arm. But please think of your soul. If you truly want to follow God, the wmscog is not the place. For your own good, please set yourself on the right path.
Gal. 5:1 “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
If you want to talk, you can reach me through
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
By: genny on February 24, 2012
at 4:03 am
Same thing JUST happened to me, but the initial question: “Do you study the Bible?” Well, I just spent the last 2 and a half hours studying the Bible with them, and here we are, both trying to convert each other, and I’m worn out, haha. Remember, Jesus commands us to love, so let us love these people fully.
By: Shepherd on February 24, 2012
at 7:22 am
As A Neutral person i believe we should follow the bible and not man. i have been in many churches and i haven’t found one that does the commands of god in a complete. but after meeting the church of god world mission society i can see why. many people bad mouth each other because of religion. cause i is a heated topic. Don’t u think its silly how people of the “same faith” speak against each other. but in the end of the day they can only be ONE! god ONE! bible! ONE! set of commands from god. so stop judging each other cause only god as that right to at the last day. so have a opened mind listen to what others have to say then you can make out where the lies are. but remember
MATTEW 13
10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been GIVEN TO YOU , BUT NOT TO THEM. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
bible NIV
so if you don’t understand you are for fully scripture
SO lets just love one another and LEARN! and STOP! being STUBBORN! when we are PROVEN! wrong
like i said only one truth and it can only be shown in the bilbe.
By: Jerome Chetty on February 27, 2012
at 2:29 am
O yeah! Google the meaning of CULT! before u starting to point fingers! and Learn before speaking against something most of the comments i see is based on the lack of knowledge. stubborn minded people
By: Jerome Chetty on February 27, 2012
at 2:33 am
The Church of God only follows the teachings of the Bible and believes in the Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.
In the Bible, God is referred to through plural terms instead of singular terms, and it is written that God has a male image and a female image. Therefore, God exists in the male image and in the female image.
Have you ever thought about why we call God our Father?
It is written that God’s invisible qualities have been clearly seen and can be understood through what has been made (Rom. 1:20). Is there any creature that is given life through only their father, alone, without a mother being present?
We need to study this matter carefully.
The Children of Promise
The Bible calls us “the children of promise.”
Gal. 4:28 『Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.』
Then, what promise did God make to those who are called the children of promise? God promised them eternal life.
1 John 2:25 『And this is what he promised us?even eternal life.』
How is eternal life given to us? The Bible says that all things were created by God’s will (Rev. 4:11). Among all of the many creatures that God has created, let us focus on the mothers. Since it is written that God created all things by His will, a certain will of God was expressed when He created mothers on this earth. As you know, all creatures have a mother figure. There is not a single creature that can come into existence without a mother.
Our physical life is given to us through our physical mother. For 280 days, a baby’s hands, feet, eyes and ears form within his mother’s womb. When the time comes, the mother will give birth to her child, shedding blood. We are given life through our mother’s great pain. How about our spiritual life? Just as our physical life was given to us through our physical mother, our spiritual life is given to us through our spiritual Mother.
The Bible clearly testifies that our heavenly Mother exists, and that only our heavenly Mother can give us eternal life.
God’s Two Images
Let us study through the Bible to discover the existence of our spiritual Mother.
Gen. 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness…” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
The above verse states that God has two images?a male image and a female image. Until now, we have only known and called upon the male image of God: “Father.” Then how should we call upon the female image of God? Logically, we should refer to God’s female image as “Mother.” This is why God had said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.”
The word “us” is a plural term. “Elohim,” the Hebrew word used in place of “God” in Genesis 1:26, directly translates to “Gods,” the plural form of the word “God.” Therefore, the references to “us” in the book of Genesis refer to God the Father and God the Mother. Some say that the word “us” in this verse indicates God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. If this argument is correct, there should be three types of people in the world?those who were made in the image of God the Father, those who resemble the image of God the Son, and those created in the image of the Holy Spirit. However, on this earth there are only two types of people: men and women. However, the “Gods” mentioned in Genesis 1:26 are the male image of God and the female image of God?God the Father and God the Mother.
The Will of God in Creating Eve, Adam’s Wife
Let us study more truth regarding the heavenly Mother through the character Adam, written in the book of Romans.
Rom. 5:14 『…Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.』 Since the book of Romans was written after Jesus had already ascended, the “one to come” mentioned in the above verse indicates the Second Coming Jesus. Adam was created to lead us to the Second Coming Jesus. Then, what was God’s will in creating Eve, Adam’s wife?
Gen. 2:21 『So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.』
Gen. 3:20 『Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.』
The name “Eve” means “life.” Eve was called “the mother of all the living.” God’s intent in creating Adam was to reveal the Second Coming Jesus, our heavenly Father, and Eve was created to reveal the Second Coming Jesus’ wife, our heavenly Mother. In other words, just as Eve was called “the mother of all the living,” we can only be given eternal life through our heavenly Mother. Eve represents our heavenly Mother.
“I Will Raise Him Up at the Last Day”
Two thousand years ago, Jesus said, repeatedly, that He would wait until the last day to raise up all of the people who came to Him (John 6:39, 40, 44. 54). Why did Jesus need to wait until the last day to save His people? What was He waiting for? The account of the six-day Creation?in the book of Genesis, chapter one?represents the spiritual Creation which would take place over six thousand years. Just as the six-day Creation ended after Eve had appeared, so would the six-thousand year spiritual Creation end with the appearance of our spiritual Mother. Jesus could have given His people life during His first coming; however, Jesus waited for the appearance of the heavenly Mother because life would be given through Her.
The Wedding of the Lamb
Let’s study some of the testimonies about Mother written in the book of Revelation.
Rev. 19:7 『Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.』 The book of Revelation was written after Jesus had ascended, and it prophesied about the things that were to happen in the last days. Thus, “the Lamb” mentioned in the above verse indicates the Second Coming Jesus: Ahnsahnghong. When Jesus came to the earth for the first time, two thousand years ago, His wife was not yet ready. The Bride, the wife of the Lamb, would appear in the last days.
In the book of Revelation, chapter 21, the Bride?the wife of the Lamb?is described as “Jerusalem.”
Rev. 21:9-10 『…One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he…showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.』
Apostle Paul testified that this Holy City, Jerusalem, which would come down out of heaven, is our Mother. Gal. 4:26 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
Children of the Free Woman
Apostle Paul testified that we are the children of promise, the children of the free woman, because we have been given the promise of eternal life from our heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:28 『Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.』
Gal. 4:31 『Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
If we are the children of the free woman, what should we call Her? We should call Her our “Mother.” We cannot have eternal life unless we receive the heavenly Mother. Eternal life, which God has promised us, is given through the heavenly Mother.
In this last age, we need our Jerusalem Mother who has been established by Christ Ahnsahnghong?the Second Coming Jesus. Let us believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and in Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, so that we can receive eternal life. God bless you all ^_^!
By: Bell on February 29, 2012
at 7:42 am
Earthly and Heavenly Family
Heb. 8:5 『They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven.』
All of the earthly systems are a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven. The family system is the same. Christ Ahnsahnghong revealed to us the existence of the heavenly Mother by teaching us about the heavenly family system through the earthly family system.
Everything within the spiritual world is reflected on this earth. In other words, everything on the earth is a shadow, and the things in heaven are the realities of what is on earth.
God established the earthly family system to show us that there is also a family system in heaven. The reason why God made every family on the earth has a father, a mother, and children was to reveal that in heaven, as well, there is a Father, a Mother, and children. God’s providence is to let us know that there exists a God the Mother in heaven, as well as a God the Father.
Do you want to be a part of the heavenly family? Let us find out how we can be members of the heavenly family.
House
What are you reminded of when you hear the word “family”? Don’t you think of a “house”? Jesus also mentioned a “house” many times in the Bible.
John 14:1-3 『”Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place [house] for you. And if I go and prepare a place [house] for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.』
Jesus said that the Father’s house surely exists. As of now, the house has been prepared. Then, who will be the members of this house? The family system described in the Bible is paternalistic. As you can see through your physical family, the first, main member of the house is the father. Therefore, if there is a father in the families on the earth, there must also be a Father in heaven.
Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong
Let us find out if we have a Father in heaven.
Heb. 12:9 『Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!』
Matt. 6:9 『”This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name…’ “』
The God in heaven is our God the Father. Just as we have a physical father on this earth, we have a spiritual Father in heaven. He is God the Father, Ahnsahnghong.
Children of Heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong
Who comes to mind next when we think of a family? Most people will think of a “mother.” But before we consider “mother,” we have to think about what kind of person can be called a “father.” No one can be called “father” unless he has a child. No mater how old a man is, if he has had no children, who would call him “father”? The title “father” is only used by children.
Therefore, a family must have children. Let us find out if our heavenly Father has children.
Matt. 12:46 『While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”』
Here, we can find the words “brothers” and “sisters.” Just as we have physical brothers and sisters, we have spiritual brothers and sisters. God’s children, who call upon the God in heaven as “Father,” must follow the will of the heavenly Father. In the Church of God, the children of the heavenly Father keep the Sabbath, the Passover, and all of the other truths, according to the will of the Father in heaven. The Church of God follows the teachings of Christ Ahnsahnghong, and we are brothers and sisters.
Heavenly Mother Jerusalem
We have studied that there exist a God the Father, and His children, in the heavenly family. Then, who is left? It’s Mother.
Gal. 4:25-26 『Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
In this verse we can find the words “our mother.” “Our” refers to the children who believe in God. This verse reveals that there exists a heavenly Mother to the children who will be saved.
So far, we’ve studied about which members compose a family, and we have confirmed that we have a spiritual family in heaven. Just as we have fathers, brothers, sisters, and mothers in our physical families, we have our spiritual Father, brothers, sisters, and spiritual Mother in our spiritual family.
The Family Must Be Connected by Blood
What connects a family together? It’s blood. Just as physical children inherit their father and mother’s flesh and blood, the spiritual children inherit the spiritual Father and Mother’s flesh and blood. If the physical family is connected by physical blood, then the heavenly family is connected by heavenly blood, because what is on earth is a copy and a shadow of what is in heaven.
John 6:53-55 『Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.”』
Jesus fed his people with His flesh and blood, so the heavenly Father and Mother’s blood and flesh are now in us. Only God has eternal life. The flesh and blood of God?who gives eternal life?has been given to us, God’s children. Thus, we have become eternal beings and we are able to call upon God, “Abba, Father!”
Right to Become the Children of Father Ahnsahnghong
Then, through what truth can we receive the right to become God’s children? How can we inherit the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father?
Matt. 26:17-19 『On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'” So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.』
Matt. 26:26-28 『While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.』
As shown above, the Passover bread is Jesus’ body, His flesh, and the Passover wine is Jesus’ blood. By eating and drinking the bread and wine of the Passover, we can receive God’s flesh and blood and become God’s children.
Christ Ahnsahnghong is the one who brought the Passover in this last age. Christ Ahnsahnghong is our spiritual Father who brought us the Passover, which spiritually connects us with God. Our spiritual Mother is the true God who gives us birth and brings us up. Don’t you want to be a member of the spiritual family? Let us all become God’s children, receiving the flesh and blood of our heavenly Father Ahnsahnghong and our heavenly Mother through the Passover of the new covenant, so that we can inherit the kingdom of God.
By: Bell on February 29, 2012
at 7:45 am
The word “Elohim” directly translates to “Gods.” The Bible testifies that God exists in the female image, God the Mother, as well as the male image, God the Father.
World Mission Society Church of God has received Second Coming Christ Ahnsahnghong, God the Father, and the heavenly Jerusalem, God the Mother.
When people hear the word “God,” most immediately think of “God the Father,” holding to the fixed idea that only God the Father exists; however, the Bible clearly testifies that there is a God the Mother in addition to a God the Father. We sincerely hope that you can break your fixed, man-made ideas so that you can receive the true Saviors: Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother.
Then, let us discover why the members of the Church of God accept Christ Ahnsahnghong and Jerusalem Mother as their Elohim God.
Elohim God revealed in the book of Genesis
Let us confirm that there is both a male and a female image of God, through the book of Genesis.
Gen. 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,”…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
Both males and females were created in the image of God, and thus it is clear that God has two images: a male image and a female image. When God said, “Let us make man in our image,” God used the word “us”?a plural term?instead of using “me.” We come to understand that not one God, but two Gods?a Father and a Mother?worked together during the Creation. Such plural terms are used to describe God in Genesis chapter 11, also.
Gen. 11:1-7 『…The LORD said…”Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”』
This verse, too, makes reference to Elohim God, the same God who created male and female (in Genesis chapter 1), saying, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” In Genesis chapter 11, God was responding to the arrogance of the people, who had collectively built the tower of Babel. Through this situation, God testifies that there exists a God the Mother as well as a God the Father by saying, “Let us go down…”
Elohim God revealed in the book of Isaiah
We can confirm the existence of Elohim God through the book of Isaiah as well.
Isa. 6:8 『Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”』
When God was searching for a man to preach His words, God said, “Who will go for us?” instead of saying, “Who will go for me?” This reveals that not only the Father was working, but that there was a Mother who was working as well.
Elohim God revealed in the book of Jeremiah
In the book of Jeremiah we can also find references to Elohim God.
Jer. 31:22 『…The LORD will create a new thing on earth?a woman will surround a man.』
God said that He would create a new thing: a woman would surround a man. Spiritually, this verse has a very profound meaning. The woman, Eve, had once been inside the man. If God had not made the woman with the ribs He had taken out of the man, how could the woman have been able to surround the man? The new thing, that God said He would bring to the earth, would be the revealing of Mother, who has been within God the Father since the beginning. The new thing would be created at the time God established the new covenant.
Jer. 31:31-34 『”The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…”I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”』
In the Hebrew Bible, the word “God” is actually written as “Elohim”?”I will be their God [Elohim].” “Elohim” is the plural form of the word “Eloha,” meaning a singular God. Therefore, “Elohim” means “Gods,” plural. Once we can understand the concept of Elohim God through the new covenant, we no longer need men to teach us to know God, because we will all know God, from the least of us to the greatest. In the truth of the new covenant, we can only become the children of God when we have God the Father and God the Mother, our Elohim God.
When Elohim God created male and female, They said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” When Elohim God punished the evil acts of God’s people, They said, “Let us go down.” When the Gods called to Isaiah, They said, “Who will go for us?” Throughout the Bible, God has existed as the male God and the female God: Elohim.
Elohim will appear in Their own time
God promised that He would appear according to His own timing (1 Tim. 6:15). Let us confirm what form He will appear in.
Rev. 22:17 『The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.』
For our salvation, God always referred to Himself as “us,” and then Elohim God appeared?as the Holy Spirit and the Bride?to give us the water of life. In the first book of Timothy, it is written that God alone is immortal and lives in unapproachable light (1 Tim. 6:16). Thus, only the Spirit and the Bride?the Second Coming Christ, Ahnsahnghong, and the New Jerusalem Mother?are immortal and only They have life. Nevertheless, some people boast that they, also, have the power to give life. The people who make such assumptions are greatly mistaken. The Bible says that no one can have life until he or she eats the flesh of the Son of Man and drinks His blood (John 6:53), and Jesus said, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead” (Matt. 8:22). Mere human beings, such as ourselves, cannot say that we are alive.
There is no life in us, so we must go to God?Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother?if we want to receive eternal life and salvation, because They are the only ones who have life. In order to give the everlasting water of life to mortal beings, God came down to this earth in this last age as the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong, and the Bride, the New Jerusalem Mother. People who pervert or deny this Biblical teaching will never be able to enter the kingdom of heaven. All the glory to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother Jerusalem forever and ever. Amen.
By: Bell on February 29, 2012
at 7:49 am
The character Abraham is used to represent God in the Bible. Through the history of Abraham’s family, God has revealed to us how we can inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac was the one who received Abraham’s inheritance. Even though Abraham had another son named Ishmael, born through Hagar, God did not allow Ishmael to receive the inheritance of Abraham. Rather, God bestowed the inheritance upon Isaac, who was born through Sarah. The reason why Isaac was chosen as Abraham’s heir was that Isaac was the son of Sarah, who was free. This history shows us that the heavenly inheritance will be given to those who are born of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that our heavenly Mother does in fact exist and that She is truly the biggest mystery hidden within the Bible.
Let us study “The History of Abraham’s Family and Mother,” taught to us by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Abraham Represents God
First of all, we need to recognize who the character Abraham represents in the Bible.
Luke 16:19-31 『”…The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham…’ “』
As you know, this parable is about a beggar, named Lazarus, and a rich man. The parable tells of Lazarus, who died and was carried to heaven, and a rich man, who was sent to hell to be tormented. Lazarus was obviously carried to God’s side after he had died; however, the Bible states that Lazarus traveled to Abraham’s side. In the parable, the rich man, who went to hell, called up to God in the distance; however, the Bible states that the man saw Abraham, and called up to him, saying, “Father Abraham.” Who is the only one who is worthy to be called “Father” in the spiritual world? God is the only one who can be called upon in this way. Then, whom does Abraham represent? Logically, the character Abraham was chosen to represent God. Therefore, the inheritance of Abraham can be likened to the inheritance of God, the kingdom of heaven.
Isaac, the Heir of Abraham
Then, let us find out who was appointed as Abraham’s heir. There were three candidates who could have been chosen as the heir of Abraham: Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac. Among them, who became Abraham’s heir? It was Isaac who was appointed. We need to understand the reason why Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
Gen. 15:1-4 『…But Abram said, “O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.”』
When Abraham was an old man and had not yet borne a son, he asked God to allow his servant Eliezer to be his heir. However, God did not allow Eliezer to become Abraham’s heir, revealing that a son would be born from Abraham’s own body and that he would become his heir. Some time later, Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, bore Abraham a son: Ishmael.
Gen. 16:1-15 『Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said…So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.』
Ishmael was born to Abraham through a maidservant named Hagar, and Abraham asked God to allow Ishmael to become his heir.
Gen. 17:18-19 『And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.』
When Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing,” God did not allow Ishmael to become his heir. Instead, God promised Abraham that he would have a son through his wife, Sarah. Isaac was born as God had promised, and of the three?Eliezer, Ishmael, and Isaac?Isaac was chosen to be Abraham’s heir.
The Key Factor in Deciding an Heir Is “Mother”
Let’s study the reason why God chose Isaac to be Abraham’s heir. Both Eliezer’s father and his mother were slaves, neither of them was free. This is the reason why God did not allow him to be Abraham’s heir. Ishmael’s father, Abraham, was free, but his mother, Hagar, was a slave and not a free woman. This is why God could not allow Ishmael to become Abraham’s heir. Isaac’s father, Abraham, was a free man, and his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The fact that Isaac had been born of a free woman was the big difference between Ishmael and Isaac, and this discrepancy became the key factor in choosing Abraham’s heir.
In those days, the eldest son inherited all of his family’s property. Since Ishmael was older than Isaac, he should have become the heir?that is, if God had made His decision according to the paternal line. Ishmael was not chosen to become Abraham’s heir, even though he was Abraham’s eldest son, because his mother was not a free woman, but a slave. Thus, it is clear that the decisive factor in choosing Abraham’s heir was his mother.
What we need to focus on while studying the history of Abraham’s family is not merely the story of a man and his family. As you know, the Bible is not a storybook to tell us of men and their families. Nevertheless, God repeatedly mentioned the story of this particular family. Actually, the history of Abraham was a shadow of what was to happen in the future. In order for us to know who could become God’s heir, the story of Abraham’s family was written, as a prophecy.
Therefore, through the history of Abraham’s family, we can clearly understand that the decisive factor in choosing an heir is the mother. As Isaac became Abraham’s heir through Sarah, his free mother, we can become God’s heirs through our heavenly Mother, who is a free woman. Only those who believe in the heavenly Mother?only the children who are born through the new covenant?can inherit the heavenly Father’s kingdom. Let us read one more verse testifying about the heavenly Mother.
Gal. 4:22-31 『…But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother…Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.』
The Bible declares that we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Ishmael could not inherit his father’s estate because his mother, Hagar, was only a slave, not a free woman. On the other hand, Isaac was chosen to become Abraham’s heir because his mother, Sarah, was a free woman. The Bible also testifies that we, like Isaac, are the children of promise, the children of the heavenly Mother, who is free.
In today’s world, there are three types of people: those who are like Eliezer, those like Ishmael, and those who are like Isaac. The first type of people, who are like Eliezer, are atheists, who do not believe in Father God or in Mother God. The second type of people, who are like Ishmael, are those who believe in Father God, but do not believe in Mother God. The third type of people, who are like Isaac, are those who believe in Mother God as well as Father God. According to the history of Abraham’s family, which one of these three types can become an heir of the kingdom of heaven? Only the third type of people, who are like Isaac, can be recognized as God’s heirs. There is no doubt about it.
Which group of people do you want to be classified with? If you want to be like Isaac, you must first become a child of the free woman. Thus, you must accept the heavenly Mother, who is free. The Bible testifies to this fact.
God said, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). What kind of knowledge is God referring to in this verse? We must recognize that we have a God the Mother, as well as a God the Father. We must accept Elohim God. Also, we must firmly believe that God is our Mother, who gives us salvation alongside our Father. Only after we come to realize this can we say that we have the knowledge of God, and that we will not be those who are destroyed from a “lack of knowledge.”
The Bible testifies that the Holy Spirit is God Ahnsahnghong, and that the Bride is Jerusalem Mother. Let us accept God Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit, and Jerusalem Mother, the Bride, who give us the water of life in these last days, so that we can enter the kingdom of heaven.
Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
By: Bell on February 29, 2012
at 7:57 am
Who is the source of Water of Life?
Age of the Father = Jehovah
Jeremiah 2:13 “My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.
Age of the Son = Jesus
John 4:13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
Age of the Holy Spirit = Heavenly Father and Mother
Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
By: Bell on February 29, 2012
at 8:21 am
This cult is very dangerous. It takes hold of its members and ruins marriages, friendships, careers, and basically entire lives. WMSCOG consumes its members.
My daughter recently married a member of this cult. In a very short period of time the cult became all her new husband had time for. He spent every weekend praying (from Friday evening to late Sunday night), preaching, and studying. Every weeknight, immediately after work, he’d go with cult members preaching and praying more. Each weeknight he’d come home between 1 and 2 in the morning. When his wife was in the hospital with liver failure, he left her alone and drove 3.5 hours away to church for the entire weekend! When questioned about this, he claimed that the Bible says you should not put your wife before God. IMAGINE! These elitist cult members will not hesitate to lie, manipulate, and deceive, in recruiting new members. They do not reveal the truths of their cult until new members have been brainwashed! They even insist that new recruits watch hours of horrific video depicting the end of the world (including an atomic bomb explosion and people burning!) Hmmmm…saving through dishonesty. I never considered that! BEWARE!!!!!
By: Ellen on March 3, 2012
at 2:37 am
Christ Ahnsahnghong truly is our God the Holy Spirit. He reminded us how to love God with all our heart, with all our soul, and with all our strength.
John 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
By: Bell on March 4, 2012
at 4:28 pm
Christ Ahnsahnghong truly is our God the Holy Spirit. He reminded us how to love God with all our heart, with all our soul, and with all our strength.
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.” 1 John 4:1-6
Bell there is no need for you to repeat your cut and paste stuff in trying to prove this man to us as holy spirit. The bible scriptures are very craftly selected to only misled people like you to believe in such false Gods. Legalism causes a man to adopt false priorities and values while at the same time he considers that he is growing in grace and holiness and belief that these false Gods are their true gods.
WMSCOG often trumpet We keep all God’s command! we keep passover! The Pharisees too thought they could reach God’s standards by keeping all the outward rules.
Jesus denounced the Pharisees as hypocrites who “did not practice what they preach” (Matthew 23:3), who did not live up to their own high standards of righteousness, and who put burdensome rules upon others which they themselves did not keep (Matthew 23:4).
“Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”Even a small amount of yeast, or corruption, can influence a large number of people to believe false doctrine.
They made the observance of the Sabbath more demanding than God had commanded. Their narrow interpretation of the fourth commandment (Exodus 20:8) was typical of their nit-picking beliefs, and their small mindedness put them on a collision course with Jesus. They saw him and his followers as law-breakers.
Jesus Rejected Man-Made Religious Rules that many such religious organizations misrepresented God with their petty, negative and tyrannical rules not only distorting but using them (passover) to cause fear into their members
Bell as you keep harping about keeping God’s commands . Firstly ask your one living mother God that you so worship and the other one is dead of course, if they had kept the God’s command.
Maybe MJ should not only write on her door frame but also carve it in her heart for breaking God’s command
“I should have not committed ADULTERY”
And when WMSCOG say we only use the teachings from the Bible. In reality it is not or else how could you have skipped so many other verses which are equally important in the Bible as well such as this…
Matthew 6:2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full
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Yet their website displays photo of their donation to Haiti. Authentic charity doesn’t need clamor. Looks like God herself has not understood the Bible so well. Jesus on most other occasions he told people not to tell even with the miracles that he performed.
It also proves further how dumb she could be to have received a medal from a president whom she did not even have an inkling, forget she having any powers that he would commit suicide. She is like a celebrity in her rich silk hanboks, a con artist playing the role of false God and her fans are the pitiful, blinded worshippers, who hug her. She cries you cry. She pats your back and you burp.(Brainwashed). There you see it is all like one big hit korean movie. And those plaques, medals, awards, donations that she keeps adding to her collection and donations that go for the publicity of her good works to get in more members is nothing but your very own your money, time and life you have sacrificed for someone you fail to see on this earth is a SATAN in disguise playing with your soul. WAKE UP!
2nd Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works
I am sure you can very well undertand all this is so clear but you are too weak, helpless and trapped Bell. Test every spirit child, Test evey spirit!
Keith Green wrote a song called, “No One Believes in Me Anymore.” He subtitled it, “The Devil’s Boast.” He wrote it from Satan’s point of view, to open the eyes of Christians like us to the very real problems that follow when people don’t believe that there is a devil…
Well, my job keeps getting easier as time keeps slipping away.
I can imitate the brightest light, and make your night look just like day.
I put some truth in every lie to tickle itching ears.
I’m drawing people just like flies, ’cause they like what they hear.
I’m gaining power by the hour, they’re falling by the score.
It’s getting very simple now, since no one believes in me anymore.
“Heaven’s just a state of mind,” my books read on your shelf.
Have you heard that God is dead? I made that one up myself!
They’re dabbling in magic spells, they get their fortunes read.
They heard the truth, but turned away and followed me instead.
I used to have to sneak around, but now they just open their doors.
No one’s watching for my tricks, since no one believes in me anymore.
Everyone likes a winner – with my help, you’re guaranteed to win.
Hey, man, you’re not a sinner – no, you’ve got the truth within.
And as your life slips by, you’ll believe the lie that you did it on your own.
But I’ll be there to help you share a dark eternal home.
By: stella on March 7, 2012
at 5:04 pm
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
John 8:47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
By: Bell on March 8, 2012
at 1:02 am
How to love God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind? How important it is to know about it?
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
John 8:47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Thanks to Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for teaching us this precious truth.
By: Bell on March 11, 2012
at 11:28 pm
This cult is currently infiltrating the US Marine Corps! More and more soldiers at Camp Lejeune in Jacksonville, NC are falling victim daily. These marines’ lives are negatively impacted by their activity in the World Mission Society Church of God. They no longer want to be deployed, participate in maneuvers, work in the infantry, or uphold the duties and commitments involved in their profession. Many have strained friendships and ruined marriages. Others have trashed their future careers in the corps. Just this month (March 2012), the “church” has expanded to a home in Jacksonvill, NC. It is insane that our brave soldiers have faced grave dangers at war, yet have met perhaps their most destructive force here at home!
By: Ellen on March 12, 2012
at 11:46 pm
People who absolutely follow God’s teachings and commandments seems abnormal to this world.
The words of God are absolute, and there can not be any exceptions to the absoluteness. If you take exceptions to God’s word, it is because you do not regard His words as absolute. When you carry them out absolutely, the absolute results will follow. God said, “Do not add and subtract” (Deut. 4:2), “Do not add and take away” (Rev. 22:18). And God gave a warning: If anyone adds anything to His words, He will add to him the plagues described in the Bible, and if anyone takes away from them, He will take away from him his share in the tree of life (eternal life). These words show well how absolute the word of God is and how authentic result it accompanies.
We can see how absolute God’s word is and what blessing it brings from Abraham’s case. God granted Isaac as an heir to Abraham who was 100 years old. To him, Isaac was absolute being and the most precious treasure among all his possessions. God, however, commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as an offering whom he cherished and loved as much as his life, in order to test whether or not he loved God absolutely. Then Abraham made up his mind to obey God’s command as more absolute than his possession. Those who stuck only to common sense might grumble against God and His disposal, saying “God! Why did You give me Isaac? Have I ever asked for a son? You gave me a son unilaterally, but now You intend to take him away from me. Why do You give me an agony shattering a ray of hope of old man? Abraham could have grumbled against God like that. But he obeyed God’s will, with the faith that life, death, fortune, and misfortune of men depend upon God. So he determined to sacrifice Isaac as an offering. When he was about to kill Isaac, he heard the merciful voice of God, “Do not lay a hand on the boy.” Such faithful obedience won him the praise of the people, that he was called “the father of faith”.
Through the works of Noah, we can also find out what the result of the absolute faith is. In the days that not a drop of rain fell, God commanded Noah to make an ark (wooden ship) on the top of the mountain. In fact, it was beyond common sense; as for scale, the ark was to be 137 meters long, 23 meters wide, 14 meters high, and it was almost impossible to build such a tremendous ship with the techniques of those days. Of course, it can be construct easily with modern techniques including timbers and various kinds of building materials. However, it must have been difficult to build the ark with those day’s technique, because it required high techniques and expenses with which today’s shuttle can be made. Even under those circumstances, Noah never complained of God and began to construct the ark, believing that God would help him. It is estimated that it took as long as 40 years at least or even 100 years to make the ark. From this, we can guess it took a lot of perseverance for Noah to do the work. As the result of obeying the absolute words of God without adding or subtracting, only Noah and his family were saved when all the people were destroyed by the flood. Thus, the result of regarding the words of God as absolute was great blessing and joy.
Here is another case; Naaman, commander of the army of the king of Aram, was cured of his serious disease by obeying the word of God absolutely. When Naaman was suffering from mortal disease, leprosy, he visited Elisha who lived in the land of Israel, through the recommendation of Hebraic maidservant whom he kept in his house. Then Elisha didn’t allow Naaman to see himself, but only sent a messenger to command him to wash himself seven times seven times in the Jordan. Naaman would go away in angry, counting impolitely Elisha’s treatment for the commander of the army of a nation. For he expected that Elisha would come out to him and lay his hands on himself and cure of his disease. But the prescription for his disease was far from his thought, and he could not believe that he would be healed by such a recipe. But Naaman changed his mind and washed himself in the Jordan with the mind of obedience, and he was cured of his skin like that of little child (2 Kings 5:1-27). If general Naaman had not obeyed absolutely the word of God spoken through Elisha, he would have finished his miserable life as a leper.
Even when the Israelites were about to cross the Jordan in order to possess the land of Canaan after forty years in the desert, the absolute obedience was required. In the rainy season that the river overflew all it’s banks, God commanded the Israelites to go ahead of them. In common knowledge, ferries or rafts at least would be required to cross a river. But Joshua believed absolutely that the words of God would bring forth a gracious result. Indeed, as soon as the Israelites dipped their feet into the Jordan, believing the words of God absolutely, so much water was pushed out, that they could cross over the Jordan as on dry land.
When the Israelites arrived in the land of Canaan, the fortress of Jericho stood dreadfully before them. Without conquering Jericho the firm fortress, they couldn’t enter Canaan. Under such circumstance, they were ordered to march around the Jericho. It would be an ordinary way of conquering the fortress to build siege ramps and make ladders, arrows, spears, shields and battering rams for breading the gate and to plan a strategy. However, God told them an unreasonable and strange operation beyond common sense, and those who believed God with common sense couldn’t carry it out.
On the first day, they marched around the city once, but nothing happened. And on the second day, they marched around the city in the same manner, but it didn’t still move at all. On the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day, they did so. Those who didn’t have absolute faith must have been anxious; they might have fallen into men’s common sense, “We would rather sharpen our swords or make one more spear or make battering rams to break the gate”. On the seventh day that they marched around the city seven times, they might have despaired deeply, doubting, “Will it collapse or not”? or “We may collapse from exhaustion”. But what result did God give the Israelites who obeyed absolutely His words? When they shouted with a great shout, the wall collapse. By conquering the city of Jericho, they prepared the foundation for entering the promised land of Canaan..
But after Israelites came out of Egypt, they didn’t keep such absolute faith until the end. As a result, six hundred thousand men were killed miserably in the desert. As it is written:
Hebrews 3:17-19 [And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.]
We come to a conclusion that no one can follow the commands of God without absolute obedience. Even what is beyond common sense will be settled naturally if we only carry it out with absolute obedience toward God. Such an absolute obedience is also required to keep the commands of God. Some persist in their arrogant opinions: “It doesn’t matter whether we worship on Sunday or Saturday” or “If we appoint 25th of December as the holy birthday of Jesus Christ and celebrate it, though we don’t celebrate Passover, God will be pleased with it”, or “We will be saved, though we don’t keep the Passover, for we have Communion every month or every week”. The reason they say such nonsense is that they don’t regard the words of God as absolute, but degrade them lower than the insistence of men. Those who believe God with their own thoughts will never be saved.
Sometimes, those who obey the words of God absolutely seem to be abnormal to the eyes of those who do not regard them as absolute: Naaman who washed himself even seven times in the dirty water of the Jordan, not in the clear water, the Israelites who marched around the city Jericho instead of attacking it, Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his precious son as an offering, Noah who made the ark on top of the mountains, sweating profusely, on the clear days. All of them might seem to be abnormal and crazy to the eyes of the people. But if we realize that God asks us to do something only for our own sake, we will obey God’s words absolutely without persisting our own thought, by which we can become perfect. When God demands us absolute obedience, it is not to oppress us dictatorially, but to give benefits to us who cannot foresee the future.
These days, it is regarded as very reasonable and natural that men or animals or images of nature move as reality on television. But only 100 years ago, people couldn’t even imagine such a thing at all; if anyone said that there would be television, he must have been treated as a mad man.
Men can not know the things to come 100 years or later or 10 years or one year later. Really they are ignorant, and they can’t foresee what will happen even after a second. To them, what will God teach and what will He explain?
John 3:12 Jesus said to them [“I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”] Like Jesus’ word, men cannot fathom God’s great will.
But God always prepares righteous and beneficial results, and allows them only to those who believe and follow Him. Nevertheless, most people do not believe the fact completely, that they sometimes undergo sufferings and sometimes wander about and fall into death after all. Now, we should keep in mind that the way to proceed to the kingdom of heaven is only to obey the commands of God absolutely and to believe that we are to receive His absolute blessing after absolute obedience. God gave us absolute commands to give us His absolute love. God bless you all.
By: Bell on March 13, 2012
at 6:02 pm
THE ONLY WAY TO LIFE ALLOWED BY GOD FOR GOD’S PEOPLE !
NO Passover NO Life !
PASSOVER
2,200 Churches of World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) in 150 countries will hold the Passover Ceremony, feast of God at evening 5th of April 2012 according to sacred calendar.YOU CAN’T MISS IT!c
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Last Passover
Today there is increasing tension in the whole world because of the news about disasters that are occurring in all parts of the earth. Continuous disasters such as earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, abnormal weather phenomena, in addition to wars and conflicts- The Bible already warned of these disasters thousands of years ago. It is not too much say that those disasters are pouring out all at once in this age – the age of the Holy Spirit which we are now living in.
The reason why God has restored the Passover in this age is to protect His people from disasters. Whenever a disaster was going to occur, God prepared in advance for His people to celebrate the Passover so that they would receive the sign of being God’s people and escape the disaster.
Rev. 7:3-4 Then I saw another angel coming up from the East , having the “Seal of the living God”. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a Seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him(Jesus) God the Father has placed his ”Seal of Approval.”
Since Jesus has been placed the seal of God, so we can be placed the seal of God through becoming “ONE with Jesus” that’s the Passover!
Jn 6:54-56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day….Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
The Passover is the only way how to inherit the “Jesus’ flesh and his Blood“
As proven in the Bible, before getting in Canaan (Heavenly Kingdom), We should keep the Passover.
This is the prophecy that the “Lost Passover of New Covenant” would be restored by true God at the last days so that God’s people would have eternal life through partaking in the Passover to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
“Aged Wine“ means that the Passover wine hadn’t been used for long time since abolishment of the Passover in A.D 325
Isaiah 25:6-9 “On this mountain“(zion-Isa.24:23) the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of “Aged Wine”- the best of meats and the finest of wines. On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; He swllow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken. In that day theywill say, “Surely this is our God trust in him, and save us. This is the LORD , we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation”
By: Bell on March 28, 2012
at 11:09 am
I used to attend WMSCOG in Bogota NJ couple of years ago and I am still affected by their behavior. At that time the church was trying to transfer to ridgewood NJ in which now they reside. I can honestly say that the people involve that church destroyed my spirit. This is my story — I was preached as an undergraduate in the university by a women. Back in that time I used to be very thirsty for the word of God and passionate about the bible. The women preached to me about the Sabbath day and how the Catholics are not following the word of God. I was convinced and decided to attend one of their lessons. I went to the lessons and was convinced again and got baptized. I kept attending the church, learning the lessons, learning how to recruit others to attend the church(a fruit for mother they will call it), clean zion, everything that I need to do to have a nice house in heaven they will say. I follow their teachings , prayed , and bought their books.. I also becamed very afraid about the end of the world and the outcome of my life and families. One day I started having a panic attack because the church will constantly say the end was so near that it felt it could happen any moment and I just didn’t felt ready. As soon as the panic attack started the church leaders, member, and the women that brought me to that church turn their back on me. Now you will wonder why? I started to mentally breakdown and started having a psychosis (in other words not being all there mentally) I really wanted be part of the church and did not wanted to miss Sabbath day .. cause you know for salvation but I was denied to go to church on Saturday by the WMSCOG because according to them I need some Proffesional help. I took there advice and got helped and got tested nothing was wrong me , my result was being deeply depressed , why because I was not in the church. Then I started to go back to show proof that I am alright because according their words which was “if you get better you can come back” but deep inside my gut I knew they were lying. When I went back I got send home and a phone call by one of the leaders saying “Don’t come near any of our members, and to our church again or will get a restrainer order against you!” After I was told that I went to some deep depression that lasted for six months. I really thought God has rejected me, I felt awful my spirit died .. I walked the earth like a zombie I didn’t feel anything. No emotions, nothing I wanted to laugh I couldn’t, I want to get mad I couldn’t, I wanted to cry I couldn’t… Also you must understand since I was going through this psychosis I called the members because I was scared and needed some support. Obviously that did not happened. I was treated like I was a freak, a dangerous person, and just unfit for their church. How can this church want to save everyone but when they have challenge and some one gets sick they just throw them to the pit? A person they used to call brother or sister? A person they use to say I love you? I was also told once you leave the church you will have a terrible life? Like you will have the worst luck ever? That’s why I thought too, but unfortunately, my life did not got worst it got better I got up one day and said to myself ” These people are not going to point the finger in my situation as a to see what happens when you don’t follow” I ended transferring to a better university got B.A. in Psychology did very well in that field. It’s Ironic how life is, I end up going through mental breakdown and got educated in the mental health field. I must say at the time I was preached I was weak minded and very Gullable and susceptible to these things. As a educated professional many young people especially those in college are very gullabble and weak minded. However, my mistake was not being very educated in the teachings of the bible. If I was preached being very educated in the teachings of the bible I believe that could of change things. To WMSCOG members that may call me a liar, satan, etc… You believe in God right? well let God be the judge of my situation with your church because as now my belief in God is not there no more because of your members behavior.
By: destroyed spirit on April 5, 2012
at 12:00 pm
Hi Damaged spirit,
I’m so sorry to hear about your experience with WMSCOG, but I am so glad that you are free from them and in the process of recovering from all the false things they taught you.
As I was reading your blog, I couldn’t help but think that perhaps God allowed you to go through that in order to protect you from worse things. In fact, you being kicked out seems to me a blessing in disguise – even thought they abandoned you in confusion, you are free from the aggressive way that they go about stealing your time, money, heart and soul. They no longer will twist scripture and confuse you about who God is.
I also feel that it is of no small significance that you are now studying psychology and learning about the way the mind works. Perhaps after you make a full recovery from the damaging effects of this cult, you will be able to help other people who have gone through similar situations. I believe that God has a unique call for you.
Also, I hope that you will be able to find a local church and meet Christians who truly care for you. Jesus said, “You will recognize them by their fruit” (Matthew 7:16). They will show love and concern for you and help you carry your burdens (Galatians 6:2). I pray you can get plugged into a good and TRUE community of Christians who will walk with you as you develop your relationship with God and know the love of Jesus Christ which surpasses all understanding :)
Blessings to you.
By: Follower of Jesus on April 5, 2012
at 11:33 pm
Also, I just wanted to make clear what I quoted in Matthew 7:16 – Jesus was warning about false prophets and saying you will know them by their fruit – they may appear friendly, but inwardly are “ferocious wolves”. True followers of Christ on the other hand will demonstrate fruit of the Spirit – Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness and self control (Galatians 5:22-23). Sorry, just wanted to clarify…blessings!
By: Follower of Jesus on April 6, 2012
at 5:16 am
Thank you a lot for your thoughts and advice of wisdom. This does help me clear my mind why I was treated that way. Since, these individuals display a faith that suppose to come from God.
By: destroyedspirit on April 6, 2012
at 6:00 am
God bless you Brothers and Sisters in Zion. Today is the Day of Resurrection. Through this God’s Feast, we can have a living hope in heaven. Without Christ’s resurrection, our faith is meaningless.
1 Corinthians 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Christ resurrected as the Firstfruits. Just as Christ resurrected, so our body will also resurrect and transform into an angelic form.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that we are like maggot or worms. At first, they look like hopeless because they can only crawl. They cannot even jump or can see what’s in front of them as they can only touch. By the time will come when the maggot or worm will become butterflies. They will spread their wings and fly around with freedom. Through God’s creation we can understand God’s love for Their children.
Job 25:6 how much less a mortal, who is but a maggot—
a human being, who is only a worm!
1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.
9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Brothers and Sisters, let’s take the bread of the Day of Resurrection so that our spiritual eyes will be opened and surely we can recognize our true savior in these last days. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE EGG OF EASTER BECAUSE IT IS FROM PAGAN, NOT FROM THE BIBLE. Thanks to Christ Ahnsahnghong for restoring the true teachings of Jesus 2000 years ago. Let’s us become the spiritual butterfly, the Heavenly Children of God who will inherit our Heavenly Father and Mother’s Kingdom of Heaven and reign forever and ever with everlasting joy and everlasting life. God bless you all.
By: Bell on April 8, 2012
at 6:34 am
Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
So stop preaching what Jesus did using Bible as a shield and then deceive innocent souls by baptizing them in the name of a dead false god Ahn
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Ahn being a Buddhist probably doubted his own pagan religion and poor chap joined the SDA trying to seek truth just like you Bell who is stuck with the WMSCOG
Jesus said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) John: “It is finished” (19: 30).fulfilling the last prophecy on the cross
These words were meant for the dead Ahnsahnghong too We may still find some maggots and worms crawling around his bones in the grave
WAKE UP PREACHER Of A FALSE DOCTRINE!
By: stella on April 8, 2012
at 10:32 pm
Bell,
please tell me, of what use is it for COG members to observe Easter Sunday? After all, the “age” of Jesus Christ the Jewish Messiah has passed, and now you have your “heavenly mother” here on earth. You don’t believe Jesus Christ is a valid name anymore, as his name is “Ahn Sang Hong”. You don’t believe Ahn Sang Hong has died for the sins and resurrected on the third day. You believe he is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, from Jewish genetics reincarnated into Korean genetics. Ahn Sang Hong ascended supposedly, without having died on this earth. If that is so, why would any COG member choose to celebrate Easter Sunday?
Oh, and by the way.. if we observe passover as many times as we need to remind ourselves of His death & resurrection, why is it so bad? After all, Jesus Himself said as long as we do it, we await His return. The common way of observing communion in the church is through grape juice and crackers. How is it sinful to “over do” the passover? Dates don’t matter. It’s whether we worship Him in our heart or not. Forget rituals, I want to worship the Lord with my full self. If I must remind myself of what Christ did in communion daily, so be it!
By: gagetaylor on April 8, 2012
at 11:16 pm
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Only those who do the will of God or follow God’s commandments can enter Kingdom of Heaven. Through the Feasts of God, we can surely enter Kingdom of Heaven. Even if someone drive out demons in Jesus name or perform miracles, if they do not do God’s will or follow God’s commandments, they can never enter Kingdom of Heaven. God bless you.
By: Bell on April 9, 2012
at 7:49 am
God bless you Brothers and Sisters in Zion. Thanks to Father and Mother for allowing us to keep the Feasts of Firstfruits or Day of Resurrection. Through this God’s Feast, we can have a living hope in heaven. Without Christ’s resurrection, our faith is meaningless.
1 Corinthians 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Christ resurrected as the Firstfruits. Just as Christ resurrected, so our body will also resurrect and transform into an angelic form.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that we are like maggot or worms. At first, they look like hopeless because they can only crawl. They cannot even jump or can see what’s in front of them as they can only touch. But the time will come when the maggot or worm will become butterflies. They will spread their wings and fly around with freedom. Through God’s creation we can understand God’s love for Their children.
Job 25:6 how much less a mortal, who is but a maggot—
a human being, who is only a worm!
1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.
9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Brothers and Sisters, we are very blessed as Father and Mother allowed us to take the bread of the Day of Resurrection so that our spiritual eyes will be opened and surely we can recognize our true savior in these last days. PLEASE NEVER TAKE THE EGG OF EASTER BECAUSE IT IS FROM PAGAN, NOT FROM THE BIBLE. Thanks to Christ Ahnsahnghong for restoring the true teachings of Jesus 2000 years ago. Let’s us become the spiritual butterfly, the Heavenly Children of God who will inherit our Heavenly Father and Mother’s Kingdom of Heaven and reign forever and ever with everlasting joy and everlasting life. God bless you all.
By: Bell on April 9, 2012
at 7:54 am
Hi Bell,
A glorious Resurrection Day to you too. :)
You said,
“Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that we are like maggot or worms. At first, they look like hopeless because they can only crawl. They cannot even jump or can see what’s in front of them as they can only touch. But the time will come when the maggot or worm will become butterflies. They will spread their wings and fly around with freedom. Through God’s creation we can understand God’s love for Their children.”
I think you’ve got a little problem here. Maggots and worms do not become butterflies. Maggots become flies (such as houseflies), and worms are always worms. If Ahnsahnghong were God he would have used more correct wording, or (if it’s a translation problem) he would have had his translators do a better job.
You also said,
“PLEASE NEVER TAKE THE EGG OF EASTER BECAUSE IT IS FROM PAGAN, NOT FROM THE BIBLE.”
You should learn a little more about Christian history. The Easter egg is from Lent, not from paganism. Just because pagans liked eggs too doesn’t mean the Christians copied them. Please read more about the wmscog’s misunderstandings about Easter:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2012/04/easter-wmscogs-misunderstandings.html
By: dreamer on April 9, 2012
at 11:57 am
God bless you Brothers and Sisters in Zion. Thanks to Father and Mother for allowing us to keep the Feasts of Firstfruits or Day of Resurrection. Through this God’s Feast, we can have a living hope in heaven. Without Christ’s resurrection, our faith is meaningless.
1 Corinthians 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Christ resurrected as the Firstfruits. Just as Christ resurrected, so our body will also resurrect and transform into an angelic form.
Christ Ahnsahnghong taught us that we are like maggot or worms. At first, they look like hopeless because they can only crawl. They cannot even jump or can see what’s in front of them as they can only touch. But the time will come when the maggot or worm will become butterflies. They will spread their wings and fly around with freedom. Through God’s creation we can understand God’s love for Their children.
Job 25:6 how much less a mortal, who is but a maggot—
a human being, who is only a worm!
1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.
9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Brothers and Sisters, we are very blessed as Father and Mother allowed us to take the bread of the Day of Resurrection so that our spiritual eyes will be opened and surely we can recognize our true savior in these last days. PLEASE NEVER TAKE THE EGG OF EASTER BECAUSE IT IS FROM PAGAN, NOT FROM THE BIBLE. Thanks to Christ Ahnsahnghong for restoring the true teachings of Jesus 2000 years ago. Let’s us become the spiritual butterfly, the Heavenly Children of God who will inherit our Heavenly Father and Mother’s Kingdom of Heaven and reign forever and ever with everlasting joy and everlasting life. God bless you all.
Elisha followed Elijah. Peter followed Jesus. I follow Mother.
By: Bell on April 11, 2012
at 1:07 am
Elisha followed Elijah. Peter followed Jesus. I follow Mother.
Hmm! And mother follows Pastor Joo cheol. The main brainwork after Ahns death equally pleasing mother by giving the title of Jerusalem. “I scratch your back you scratch mine”
Together they are doing satan’s work of digging deep the false teachings into the brains of so many poor souls. Really sad!!
It can be clearly seen Bell how how hard it is for you to free yourself from the clutches of Satan. You keep digging out the same matter(garbage) over and over that is buried in your brains LOL what else can be expected from brainwashed souls??
By: stella on April 11, 2012
at 1:15 pm
Passover fulfills the 1st Commandment.
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
John 8:47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Thanks to Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for teaching us this precious truth.
By: Bell on April 11, 2012
at 2:17 pm
Many Christians profess that they love Jesus. Whether Catholics, Born Again, or some other denominations, they claim to love God. But how can we truly love God? Is it by just saying with our own lips that we love God? Let’s see through the Bible.
Jn. 14:15 – 15 “If you love me, keep my commands
Jn. 14:21 – 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Jesus Himself told us that if we truly love Him, we must obey His commandments. Then why does Jesus wants us to love Him? What will He give us?
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
We can see here that an expert in the law was asking and testing Jesus on what is written in the Law in order to have eternal life? We can understand that this guy that’s expert in the law are referring to the Old Testament Law since the New Testament was not written yet during the time of Jesus here on earth. According to Jesus answer, in order for us to have eternal life, we must “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. This is written in the Law or Old Testament. Then we can have a clue that the way to fulfill this is by finding out in the Law or Old Testament. Lets see.
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
Wow this was the same words that Jesus told the expert in the law. Then we can see a clue here on verse 9 that says “WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES”. Now let’s check for another clue on the same chapter.
Deut. 6:20-25 – 20 In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the LORD our God has commanded you?” 21 tell him: “We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt, but the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. 22 Before our eyes the LORD sent signs and wonders—great and terrible—on Egypt and Pharaoh and his whole household. 23 But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Ok so this are the commandment’s clue are:
– WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES
– COMMANDMENT THAT BROUGHT THE ISRAELITES OUT OF EGYPT
Then let’s see what is this.
Exo. 12:1-14 – 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOOR FRAMES OF THE HOUSES WHERE THEY EAT THE LAMBS. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.
Now its clear. The PASSOVER is the commandment that would fulfill the “LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH”. When the Israelites kept the Passover, they were freed from Egypt. So it is the PASSOVER.
Then 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ established the Passover of the New Covenant which is the reality.
Lk. 22:8 – 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Lk. 22:14-15 – 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Lk. 22:19-20 – 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
By keeping the Passover, we can truly love God and receive eternal life.
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Thanks to Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong, the 2nd Coming Christ according to the prophecies of the Bible, for reminding us the precious truth.
Jn. 14:25-26 – 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the COUNSELOR, THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and WILL REMIND YOU OF EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU.
Let’s have true faith in Jesus by following His Words of Life so that we can truly Love Him and receive eternal life.
Jn. 3:16 – 16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
Jam. 2:17-19 – 17 In the same way, FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT IS NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ACTION IS DEAD. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
John 8:47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 6:53-55 — JESUS SAID to them, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD REMAINS IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Thanks to Father Christ Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem for teaching us this precious truth.
1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
Luke 10:25-28 – 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Deut. 6:5-9 – 5 LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOOR FRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES and on your gates.
1 Corinthians 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
LOVING GOD IS GREATER THAN FAITH IN GOD. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
By: Bell on April 26, 2012
at 12:03 pm
The Roman Catholic Church claims to have started in Matthew 16:18 when Christ supposedly appointed Peter as the first Pope. However, the honest and objective student of the Scriptures and history soon discovers that the foundation of the Roman church is none other than the pagan mystery religion of ancient Babylon.
While enduring the early persecutions of the Roman government (65-300 A.D.), most of professing Christianity went through a gradual departure from New Testament doctrine concerning church government, worship and practice. Local churches ceased to be autonomous by giving way to the control of “bishops” ruling over hierarchies. The simple form of worship from the heart was replaced with the rituals and splendor of paganism. Ministers became “priests,” and pagans became “Christians” by simply being sprinkled with water. This tolerance of an unregenerate membership only made things worse. SPRINKLED PAGANISM is about the best definition for Roman Catholicism.
The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new “Christianity” the official religion of the Roman Empire. The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.). This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the “Dark Ages” (500-1500 A.D.). Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal.
Throughout all of this, however, there remained individual groups of true Christians, such as the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.
The Papacy and Priesthood
In the Bible there are no popes or priests to rule over the church. Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all true Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Pet. 2:5). Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians who believe on Him (Heb. 10:10-11), so all priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural. Furthermore, the practice of calling a priest “father” is forbidden by Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:9. There is only ONE mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5).
The Catholic church teaches that Peter was the first Pope and the earthly head of the church, but the Bible never says this once. In fact, it was Peter himself who spoke against “being lords over God’s heritage” in I Peter 5:3. Popes do not marry, although Peter did (Mat. 8:14; I Cor. 9:5). The Bible never speaks of Peter being in Rome, and it was Paul, not Peter, who wrote the epistle to the Romans. In the New Testament, Paul wrote 100 chapters with 2,325 verses, while Peter wrote only 8 chapters with 166 verses. In Peter’s first epistle he stated that he was simply “an apostle of Jesus Christ,” not a Pope (I Pet. 1:1). The Roman papacy and priesthood is just a huge fraud to keep members in bondage to a corrupt pagan church.
The Worship of Mary
Roman Catholics believe that Mary, the mother of Jesus, remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus and was sinless all of her life. She is worshiped in the Catholic church as the “Mother of God” and the “Queen of Heaven.” St. Bernard stated that she was crowned “Queen of Heaven” by God the Father, and that she currently sits upon a throne in Heaven making intercession for Christians.
The Bible teaches otherwise. In the Bible, Mary was a sinner just like the rest of us. She said herself that she needed a “Saviour” (Lk. 1:47), and she even had to offer a sacrifice for her sins in Luke 2:24. Jesus was only her “firstborn” son, according to Matthew 1:25, because she later had other children as well (Mt. 13:55; Gal. 1:19; Psa. 69:8). There’s only ONE mediator between God and men, and it isn’t Mary (I Tim. 2:5). The last time we hear from Mary in the Bible she is praying WITH the disciples, not being prayed to BY the disciples (Acts 1:14). The Bible never exalts Mary above anyone else. Neither should we.
Purgatory
The Catholic Church teaches that a Christian’s soul must burn in purgatory after death until all of their sins have been purged. To speed up the purging process, money may be paid to a priest so he can pray and have special masses for an earlier release.
This heresy began creeping into the Roman Church during the reign of Pope Gregory around the end of the sixth century, and it has no scriptural support. In fact, Jesus warned us about this pagan practice in Matthew 23:14 when He spoke of those who devoured widows houses and made long prayers for a pretence. Psalm 49:6-7 tells us that a person couldn’t redeem a loved one, even if such a place did exist: “They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:”
Peter addresses this issue in Acts 8:20 when he says, “Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.” God’s word is clearly against the doctrine of purgatory.
The Mass
By perverting the Christian practice of the Lord’s Supper (Mat. 26:26-28; I Cor. 11:23-27), the Catholic Church has created the Mass, which they believe to be a continual sacrifice of Jesus Christ:
“Christ…commanded that his bloody sacrifice on the Cross should be daily renewed by an unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood in the Mass under the simple elements of bread and wine.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 10, Pg. 13, Article: “Mass, Sacrifice of”)
Jesus never made such a command. If you’ll check the above references in Matthew 26 and I Corinthians 11, you’ll see for yourself that the Lord’s Supper is a MEMORIAL and a SHOWING of Christ’s death until He comes again. It is not a sacrifice. The Catholic Encyclopedia states the following:
“In the celebration of the Holy Mass, the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. It is called transubstantiation, for in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of bread and wine do not remain, but the entire substance of bread is changed into the body of Christ, and the entire substance of wine is changed into his blood, the species or outward semblence of bread and wine alone remaining.” (Vol. 4, pg. 277, Article: “Consecration”)
The Catholic Church teaches that the “Holy Mass” is a LITERAL EATING AND DRINKING OF THE LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. The priest supposedly has the power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.
Now, what does God’s word say about such practices? If you’ll read Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11-12, and Acts 15:29, you will find that God absolutely FORBIDS the drinking of blood all through the Bible.
Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual “sacrifice” of Jesus Christ, but God’s word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:
“By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.”
The mass is unnecessary and unscriptural.
Image Worship
The Catholic religion is filled with all sorts of symbols, images, and relics. The Catechism of the Council of Trent states these words:
“It is lawful to have images in the Church, and to give honor and worship unto them…”
It’s lawful to honor and worship images? Not according to God’s word. Exodus 20:4-5 says, “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.” Image worship is unscriptural and will end with the eternal damnation of those who practice it (Rev. 14:11).
By: t on April 28, 2012
at 8:54 am
“I” Who Belong to God and “I” Who Belong to Myself
On our journey of faith towards the everlasting kingdom of heaven, what kind of person am I—“I who belong to God” or “I who belong to myself”? As we reflect upon ourselves, we come to realize that we have often belonged to “myself” rather than “God.” Of course, we used to think to ourselves that we should become “I who belong to God.” However, there were many times when we didn’t have our life completely belonging to God.
Now, let’s take some time to examine ourselves if we live as “I who belong to God” or as “I who belong to myself,” through the words of God.
Stubbornness and arrogance of “I who belong to myself”
The Bible teaches that those who belong to God listen to His word, but that those who do not listen to God’s word do not belong to God.
Jn 8:47 『“He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”』
The person who hears what God says and obeys Him is the one who belongs to God. On the contrary, the person who does not obey God’s word is the one who lives as “I who belong to myself,” not as “I who belong to God.”
If one lives as “I who belong to myself,” it is because he still has arrogance and stubbornness. One’s stubbornness and unrepentant heart causes him to bring God’s punishment upon himself.
Ro 2:1-5 『 . . . Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.』 If anyone still has arrogance and an unrepentant heart, it is proof that he lives as “I who belong to myself.” Even though God tries to lead human beings to the kingdom of heaven, if they stick to their own thoughts and follow their own way rather than God’s, they will become alienated from the eternal heavenly kingdom and finally bring destruction upon themselves in the end. We must give up our stubbornness and arrogance and live according to God’s word, as “I who belong to God,” not as “I who belong to myself.”
“I who belong to God” and obedience
An old woman was throwing her stick up in the air. She repeated the same thing over and over again. When a stranger passing by saw this, he was curious and asked, “Excuse me, ma’am. May I ask what you are doing here? Why are you throwing that stick up in the air repeatedly?”
Then the old lady said, “I am throwing my stick in order to decide where to go, but its tip always points toward the left even though I have thrown it so many times. I want to go to the right, but only if the stick points toward the right. So, I keep throwing my stick until its tip points toward the right.”
She should have just gone to the right if she had wanted to go to the right, but she stubbornly continued to insist on satisfying her own intention. This is the way we human beings do things.
It is possible to live a life as “I who belong to God” only when each of us fully obeys the word of God. Among the teachings of God, if we follow what we like and neglect what we don’t like and keep insisting on our own way, it is no different than the foolish act of throwing a stick until its tip points toward the right, isn’t it? We will incur the wrath of God if we do not follow the truth of life, which God has given us in order to lead us to the everlasting kingdom of heaven, but instead twist God’s words to fit our own thoughts.
1 Sa 15:22-23 『But Samuel replied: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.”』
The Bible says that to obey is better than sacrifice and that arrogance is like the sin of idolatry. God has prepared gracious results for those who obey Him. However, an unfortunate destiny awaits the people who do not obey but insist on their own way and live as “I who belong to myself,” not as “I who belong to God,” like Saul.
The fate of those who do not belong to God
Such an example is also found in the journey of the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan. Most of them didn’t live as “I who belong to God” but as “I who belong to myself.” For this reason, they continued to grumble all the way God led them through. They complained about having no food or water.
Nevertheless, God brought forth water for them out of the rock, and rained down bread from heaven for them to eat for 40 years.
Although God had prepared everything for them and guided them, they didn’t realize the will of God. They didn’t look at things with the eye of faith but judged by their own thoughts and standards. As a result, God’s wrath came upon them and they were all destroyed in the desert before entering the land of Canaan.
1 Co 10:1-5 『For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.』
God was not pleased with most of the Israelites because they didn’t belong to Him. Taking warning from the past history of the Israelites who lived as “I who belong to myself” and ended up being destroyed, we must throw “myself” away from within us.
In choosing priests and position or title holders, God has set the condition that they must not be overbearing (Tit 1:7). He has called those who are willing to do the will of God, instead of insisting on their own way, to be His ministers and workers.
2 Pe 2:9-12 『if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.』
God gives warning to the people who live as “I who belong to myself” by saying that He will punish “those who insist on themselves and do not fear God” on the Day of Judgment. We should try to be born again as “I who belong to God” by obeying God’s will. In addition, we should always discern what pleases God and what we ought to do as God’s people.
We can see Elohim when we throw away our stubbornness
We believe in God the Father and God the Mother, following God’s will and teachings described in the Bible. However, most people in the world reject the teachings of God and insist on their own way. Their knowledge, fixed idea and prejudice become a hindrance on the way to God.
We are in the process of being changed into “I who belong to God” by making efforts to obediently follow the word of God although it is contrary to our thoughts. Throwing away everything that is against the word of God, we must honor and worship God correctly only in accordance with the teachings of God.
Through the book of Genesis, let’s meet God who is inconsistent with the common notion of Him, widely held by most people
Ge 1:26-27 『Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.』
God said, “Let ‘us’ make man . . . ” And when man was made in God’s own image, male and female were created. Through this fact, we can easily understand that God has not only a male image but also a female image.
If God were only one, it would be a great contradiction for God to say, “Let us make man in our image.” In spite of clear evidence, many people in the world, reading the same Bible, stubbornly insist that there is only God the Father. We cannot help but doubt how they read the Bible.
God has taught us that there is God the Mother as well as God the Father, on the first page of the Bible which He has given human beings for their salvation.
People have called the male image of God—the male God—“Father” for a long time.
Mt 6:9 『“This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, . . . ’ ”』
Jesus told His disciples to call God in heaven “our Father.” Reading this verse, many people jump to the conclusion that God is only one—the Father, and have a fixed idea that there can never be God the Mother.
In actuality, however, the reason why Jesus mentioned only God the Father when He taught His disciples how to pray was because God the Mother was prophesied to appear in the last days—the age of the Holy Spirit.
Gal 4:26 『But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.』
This word is also definitely recorded in the Bible. Nevertheless, they do not believe in God the Mother because of their stubbornness and their unrepentant heart, so they are storing up God’s wrath against themselves. They acknowledge God the Father, but insist that God the Mother doesn’t exist, even after they confirm Her existence through the Bible. They are just like the old lady who insists on throwing her stick until the tip of the stick points to the right
In order to be saved, we must throw away this kind of stubbornness. Among all living things on the earth, there is nothing that can exist without a father or mother. Not only the Bible but also all creatures in the universe show that there is God the Mother as well as God the Father. Despite this clear evidence, people fail to find God the Mother because of their own stubbornness.
Rev 22:17『The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.』
Elohim, who created male and female in Their own image as recorded in the first chapter of the Bible, were God the Father who was the model for man and God the Mother who was the model for woman. In the last chapter of the Bible, Elohim appear as the Sprit and the Bride and call us to come and receive the water of life. The Spirit is God the Father who is to come in the last days. So, the Bride, the Wife of the Spirit, refers to God the Mother.
Today, the world is suffering from spiritual thirst. It is because the people do not know the Spirit and the Bride who give them the water of life. If they were able to receive the water of life without coming to the Spirit and the Bride, it would not be necessary for the Spirit and the Bride to come to this earth and They would not call us to come and receive the water of life.\
Let’s become God’s children who belong to God
The Bible states that we have not only God the Father but also God the Mother, and that we can receive salvation only when we come to God the Father and God the Mother. Each of us should become the “person who belongs to God” by obeying the will of God completely, keeping in mind God’s providence that is shown through all things and God’s will which is contained in the Bible.
2 Co 10:3-6 『 . . . The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.』
God’s word is true and perfect, which contains no lie. Any theory in this world is not needed before the word of God. God’s word demolishes all speculations and takes captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. So, since God’s word testifies about God the Mother, we must forsake our own thoughts and obey the Word completely.
The reason we can call God “Father” is that we are members of the heavenly family. In a family, the mother is the comforter and the supplier of warmth and love; if children return home, they call out for their mother first. This is the instinct given by God to all human beings. Many people in the world mention the love of Christ, without even knowing the love of God the Mother who has come to this earth to find Her lost children. However, without knowing Mother who is love and life, no one can live in Her perfect love.There are still many souls who do not know God the Mother but deny Her and insist on their foolishness. Even to those stubborn souls, God has testified about God the Mother from the beginning of the world until now. Let’s help them throw away their stubbornness and become “those who belong to God” so that they can be saved. Following God’s command to “go and make disciples of all nations,” let us lead all people around the world into the arms of Mother, as “those who belong to God,” so not only we but also all other people in the world will know Mother and long for Her love and salvation.
I truly desire that you will all receive the blessings of heaven by faithfully carrying out the valuable mission of preaching God the Father and God the Mother.
By: Bell on April 30, 2012
at 11:58 am
Today, the world is suffering from spiritual thirst without hearing the words of God and from rampant disasters (Am 8:11; Jer 44:23). Nevertheless, some people deny God’s word and insist, “The Passover of the new covenant is not the truth of salvation. So we don’t need to celebrate it.”
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, who were religious leaders in those days, for their hypocrisy and said that the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven was not given to them. Even now, there are people like them who claim to believe in God but do not understand the will of God correctly. As the Bible says that God’s people are destroyed from lack of knowledge, unless they know God’s word and obey it, they cannot help but end up going the way of destruction (Hos 4:6; Isa 9:16; Matthew 23).
The Passover, the truth of salvation, shines more brightly in the age of disasters. God has taught us that the Passover is a lasting ordinance and that we must preach this Passover for the generations to come. First, let us understand that God’s word is the absolute, unbreakable promise of salvation, and realize fully how precious and good the truth given by God is, through the words of the Bible.
The Bible viewed from the standpoint of eternal life
The universe created by God is an infinite world. If you count one star each sec¬ond, it would take you more than 6,000 years just to count the stars in the galaxy we belong to. There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe. This is just the number of the stars that have been discovered by scientists. Considering the num¬ber of the stars which the scientists have not been able to discover, there will be an immeasurable, infinite number of stars in the universe.
One second in our world is equal to 300 trillion years in the particle world. According to scientists, the earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old, and the uni¬verse is about 15 billion years old. Considering this fact, 300 trillion years are an almost infinite time.
One second, which is a mere blink of an eye in the human world, is 300 trillion years in the particle world. So, viewed from the standpoint of particles, the human world can never be understood. Likewise, from the perspective of the human world, the world of God—the spiritual world—cannot be understood. That is why God has given the Bible to us, human beings. As the faraway stars in the universe cannot be clearly observed without a telescope, so the kingdom of God cannot be seen except through the Bible.
The kingdom of heaven—the world of angels, which we are going to soon, is an eternal world, where there is no limit to space (Da 7:18). We, human beings, are destined to die, being confined by the barriers of time and space. In order to lead us to the eternal kingdom of heaven, God has wanted to give us eternal life.
Only God can give us eternal life. To give us eternal life—the greatest gift of all, God wrote the Bible, and personally came to this earth with the gift.
Jn 5:39-40 『“You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.”』
Jn 10:10 『“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”』
Jesus pointed out exactly how we should view the Bible. Some people think that the Bible is just a book which teaches morals and ethics. However, the most im¬portant thing that we have to find in the Bible is eternal life. So, we must view the Bible from the standpoint of eternal life.
If we do not regard God’s word written in the Bible as absolute, we can never receive eternal life. To get eternal life, we must properly know God who gives us eternal life and come to Him. However, the Jews did not believe the Bible, so they could not recognize God when He came to them; they rejected God because He came in the flesh and looked at Him with doubtful eyes, so they eventually commit¬ted the sin of crucifying Him on the cross.
God established the new covenant to give us eternal life
The last part of the Bible concludes that we must not add to or take away from the words of God, who is the source of eternal life.
Rev 22:18-19 『I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.』
The above words show that if we teach people the things that have been added to or subtracted from the teachings of the Bible, we will not only receive the plagues but also lose the privilege to enter the kingdom of God. This means that we must follow every teaching of the Bible exactly as it is.
Jn 13:15 『“I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.”』
Jesus personally set an example of what we should do so that we would not add to or take away from the Bible but try to get eternal life. Among the examples of Christ, let’s take a look at His example of celebrating the Passover.
Lk 22:7-15 『Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.” . . . They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.”』
The four Gospels of the Bible, which describe the works of the Twelve Apostles with Jesus, devote a great deal of space to the gracious scene of Jesus and the apostles celebrating the Passover. We need to take a careful look at this scene, as an example of Christ.
All the disciples of Jesus, including Peter and John, celebrated the Passover. Among them, there was no one who rejected the Passover, saying, “It doesn’t need to be celebrated. So I’ll not keep it.” Most of all, Jesus Himself desired to keep the Passover and directed His disciples to prepare the Passover. The purpose of Jesus’ coming to this earth was to redeem human beings from sins and to lead them to the way of eternal salvation. And Jesus eagerly desired to celebrate the Passover. So, it must be something that is very closely related to our salvation.
At the Passover Supper, Jesus Christ established the new covenant, through His word of promise with the bread and wine of the Passover as His body and blood.
Lk 22:19-20 『And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”』
There was a certain reason why Jesus said, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover.” Whoever eats Jesus’ flesh and drinks His blood has eternal life (Jn 6:54). So, through the Passover Covenant, Jesus wanted to give human beings eternal life.
The New Covenant Passover is the truth which Christ established through His precious flesh and blood to save us, sinners, who were destined for eternal death. God prophesied through His prophets how important the new covenant is to human beings.
God’s will in establishing the new covenant
Jer 31:31-34 『“The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. . . . This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the LORD. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”』
God’s people must have the law of the new covenant in their hearts. “I will be the God of the people who keep the new covenant; I will forgive all the sins of those who have the new covenant in their hearts.” This is the promise of God. Hu¬man beings may break their promises, but God never breaks His promise but fulfills it without fail.
People who do not walk in the new covenant can never receive the forgiveness of their sins. It is because God has not promised the forgiveness of sins to those people. Unless we have the forgiveness of sins, we cannot gain eternal life, and if we fail to receive eternal life, we cannot go to heaven. That was why Jesus pro¬claimed the Passover as the new covenant and eagerly desired to celebrate it.
Nevertheless, some people regard the Passover merely as a simple law of the Old Testament, and they insist that it does not need to be observed. Jesus eagerly de¬sired to keep it, but they insist that there is no need to celebrate it. Can they be con¬sidered as true believers in Jesus? The Bible says about them, “They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him” (Tit 1:16). They claim to believe in Jesus, but they reject the truth of salvation which Jesus desired to keep and wanted to give to human beings. How can they call themselves true shepherds or true Christians?
Mt 7:21-23 『“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”』
As we can see through what Jesus said, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Pass¬over,” it is God’s will that we should keep the Passover. Satan never wants the holy will of God to be proclaimed to the whole world. So, we can clearly discern whose side the people are on, who oppose God totally by continuously slandering the new covenant and insisting on absurd theories.
So at the day of the Last Judgment, to those people who call out to Jesus, “Lord, Lord,” He will say, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” This means that they have nothing to do with Jesus.
The Passover of the new covenant is the truth of salvation that God has authen¬ticated. It is the truth of truths, which God has restored since so many ancestors of faith shed their blood of sacrifice during the Dark Ages. So, even though there are people who stand against the truth, we must not stop preaching it.
Do the new covenant, and proclaim it
There are still numerous people who do not even know yet what the new cov¬enant is. Let us preach the Passover to as many as possible—to our family, neigh¬ bors, and many other acquaintances around us. Since the Passover contains God’s promise of salvation for human beings, we must proclaim this promise to all people on the earth.
1 Co 11:23-26 『For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.』
In the above verses, what is the Apostle Paul preaching to the saints of the early Church? He is preaching to them the truth of the Passover which Jesus established, saying, “This [bread] is my body. . . . This cup [wine] is the new covenant in my blood.” Paul said that what he passed on to them was a command from God—not his own opinion, and he called himself a minister of the new covenant (2 Co 3:6).
We keep the Passover of the new covenant, serving our Holy Heavenly Father and Mother and walking in the true teachings of Father and Mother. God has ac¬knowledged us, who have the law of the new covenant in our hearts, as His own people, saying, “You are My people,” and has become our God. Only the people of the kingdom of God can enter God’s kingdom. God has also given us, His children, a gracious promise to let all disasters pass over us, who abide in the new covenant, at the Last Judgment.
Through the Passover of the new covenant, God has given us citizenship in heaven and has led us to eternal life and salvation. This year, let us all preach the boundless grace of God to the ends of the earth. No matter what kind of sophistry the false prophets use to deceive us, we must be able to discern from Christ’s point of view. Through the words of the Bible, we can figure out how unbiblical and false all their logic and teachings are. I earnestly ask all you brothers and sisters in Zion to diligently preach the Passover of the new covenant—the truth of salvation—and to always give thanks and glory to Heavenly Father and Mother for allowing us to be Their people and opening the way to heaven for us, through the new cov¬enant.
By: Bell on May 14, 2012
at 8:33 am
I am a member of the Catholic Church & my Priest said God the Mother is not Mary & Her name Ruth. Actually, I am not a member of the Catholic Church. I am a member of the Church of God in Christ: Redemption Church and someone from the Catholic church told me that Ruth is God the Mother. Actually, I am not a member of the COGIC: Redemtion Church. I am a member of the World Mission Society Church of God and was told that God the Mother is the Heavenly Jerusalem living on earth right now. So, which is it? Who am i really?
The point I am trying to make is that many people study religions & know a lot about the teachings. But just because they know about it, it doesn’t mean that they were ever a member or that they studied with someone who is a member. Serious question: How can I believe that any of you are who you say you are & have experienced what you said you’ve experienced?
By: Renita on May 21, 2012
at 8:56 am
By: Bell on May 21, 2012
at 4:18 pm
http://www.koreanmothergod.com/questions.html
By: stella on May 21, 2012
at 9:27 pm
Your study is flawed from the beginning. Abraham is called ‘father’ because he was the literal father of the Jewish nation, not because he represents God.
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2010/11/galatians-426-part-2.html
By: genny on May 30, 2012
at 1:58 am
Abraham clearly represents God the Father in the Bible. Even other Born Again Christians agree to that. Only you Genny try to go against Church of God teachings. Anyway I only believe Christ Ahnsahnghong the Root of David who can give us the correct interpretation of the Bible and Mother Jerusalem.
Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 IF YOU BELONG TO CHRIST, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM’S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.
Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Galatians 4:28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
We are children of God the Mother Jerusalem. Only through Heavenly Mother Jerusalem, the Bride of of the Lamb, we can have eternal life in these last days as prophesied in the Bible.
By: Bell on May 30, 2012
at 8:43 am
Abraham represents God the Father and only through Heavenly Mother Jerusalem, Bride of the Lamb we can have eternal life in these last days.
Genesis 21:8 The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.”
Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Galatians 4:28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Isaiah 33:20 Look on Zion, the city of our festivals;
YOUR EYES WILL SEE JERUSALEM,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved;
its stakes will never be pulled up,
nor any of its ropes broken.
21 There the Lord will be our Mighty One.
It will be like a place of broad rivers and streams.
No galley with oars will ride them,
no mighty ship will sail them.
22 For the Lord is our judge,
the Lord is our lawgiver,
the Lord is our king;
it is he who will save us.
23 Your rigging hangs loose:
The mast is not held secure,
the sail is not spread.
Then an abundance of spoils will be divided
and even the lame will carry off plunder.
24 No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”;
and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven.
Isaiah 66:7 “Before she goes into labor,
she gives birth;
before the pains come upon her,
she delivers a son.
8 Who has ever heard of such things?
Who has ever seen things like this?
Can a country be born in a day
or a nation be brought forth in a moment?
Yet no sooner is Zion in labor
than she gives birth to her children.
9 Do I bring to the moment of birth
and not give delivery?” says the Lord.
“Do I close up the womb
when I bring to delivery?” says your God.
10 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her,
all you who love her;
rejoice greatly with her,
all you who mourn over her.
11 For you will nurse and be satisfied
at her comforting breasts;
you will drink deeply
and delight in her overflowing abundance.”
12 For this is what the Lord says:
“I will extend peace to her like a river,
and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream;
you will nurse and be carried on her arm
and dandled on her knees.
13 As a mother comforts her child,
so will I comfort you;
and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.”
Zechariah 14:12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
Ephesians 6:2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise
Matthew 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOORFRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES AND ON YOUR GATES.
Exodus 12:7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOORFRAMES OF THE HOUSES where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD, which is poured out for you.
Galatians 4:24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you.
Matthew 13:10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
By: Bell on May 30, 2012
at 8:51 am
Bell, I hope you realize that at 7:19 of the video, that phrase “Without believing in the Heavenly Mother, no one can inherit the Kingdom of Heaven” is clearly heresy, because Jesus Himself said only He is the way, the truth and the life.. that NO ONE comes unto the Father but through Him. This not only explains that there is no “age” of the Father, Son and Spirit; rather, the Father, Son and Spirit are 1. There is no need for a Mother, because God is God – He can beget a son without the use of sex. As for the Holy Spirit, He always existed even before Christ, and is mentioned even in the Old Testament.
It is the Father who gave Christ, and Christ who gave the Spirit. They always existed, yet were revealed to man as time went by, and all 3 are now one and the same, yet revealed to mankind as 3 personas. Each is equal to the other, yet like the man to the woman, there is a distinction in hierarchy. All are equal, but play differing roles. Jesus is submissive to the Father because the Father is Father. Jesus is equal to the Father, yet submissive to His will, like the man and woman are equal, yet woman is called to be submissive to man (so long as the man is leading by Godly example). That said, there is no need for God to have an opposite sex, ages of existing names, etc.
Yes, the “heavenly mother Jerusalem” is free and from above; however, it is not a person, but a heavenly nation..
This “New Jerusalem” will be free of law, as sin will no longer live amongst God’s creation, and therefore will be a free nation. This nation is a work of God alone, whose throne is above in the heavenly realm. This nation will be for all who are joined together in Jesus Christ..
Do Ahn Sang Hong or Zhang Gil Jah fit this description? Not quite. Heresy.
By: gagetaylor on May 21, 2012
at 5:57 pm
Genesis 21:8 The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.”
Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Galatians 4:28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Isaiah 33:20 Look on Zion, the city of our festivals;
YOUR EYES WILL SEE JERUSALEM,
a peaceful abode, a tent that will not be moved;
its stakes will never be pulled up,
nor any of its ropes broken.
21 There the Lord will be our Mighty One.
It will be like a place of broad rivers and streams.
No galley with oars will ride them,
no mighty ship will sail them.
22 For the Lord is our judge,
the Lord is our lawgiver,
the Lord is our king;
it is he who will save us.
23 Your rigging hangs loose:
The mast is not held secure,
the sail is not spread.
Then an abundance of spoils will be divided
and even the lame will carry off plunder.
24 No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”;
and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven.
Isaiah 66:7 “Before she goes into labor,
she gives birth;
before the pains come upon her,
she delivers a son.
8 Who has ever heard of such things?
Who has ever seen things like this?
Can a country be born in a day
or a nation be brought forth in a moment?
Yet no sooner is Zion in labor
than she gives birth to her children.
9 Do I bring to the moment of birth
and not give delivery?” says the Lord.
“Do I close up the womb
when I bring to delivery?” says your God.
10 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her,
all you who love her;
rejoice greatly with her,
all you who mourn over her.
11 For you will nurse and be satisfied
at her comforting breasts;
you will drink deeply
and delight in her overflowing abundance.”
12 For this is what the Lord says:
“I will extend peace to her like a river,
and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream;
you will nurse and be carried on her arm
and dandled on her knees.
13 As a mother comforts her child,
so will I comfort you;
and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.”
Zechariah 14:12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
Ephesians 6:2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise
Matthew 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 WRITE THEM ON THE DOORFRAMES OF YOUR HOUSES AND ON YOUR GATES.
Exodus 12:7 THEN THEY ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE SIDES AND TOPS OF THE DOORFRAMES OF THE HOUSES where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; IT IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER.
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD, which is poured out for you.
Galatians 4:24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you.
Matthew 13:10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
By: Bell on May 23, 2012
at 1:38 pm
Revelation 5:Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Everything written in the Bible is a copy and shadow of the things to come. By looking into the shadowy work in the Old Testament, we come to know and understand the things of the present or of the future.
1. Everything written in the past has become a lesson.
(Rom 15:4) For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us.
• Then, what was written in the past that God wanted us to understand?
• The prophet Malachi prophesied that there will be the appearance of the Elijah before the last destruction.
(Mal 4:1) “Surely that day is coming; it will burn like a furnace…”
(Mal 4:4-6) “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel. “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah…”
• God stated that we should remember the Law just before the end, but this law mentioned here by the prophet Malachi became Christ’s law which was fulfilled on the cross two thousand years ago by Jesus Christ. (Heb 7:11-12)
• This Elijah must also turn our hearts back to our Father (Mal 1:6) as stated in Malachi 4:5.
2. Then who is this Elijah that will appear in the last days just before the last destruction.
• When we study the history of Israel, we can clearly see the blueprint that God laid out for us in these last days. By studying the history of Israel we can the role of Elijah, where he will come from and why he will appear in the last days before the destruction.
• In Israel’s history there where many kings that played major roles for and against God’s people until the appearance of Elijah. King David was known for establishing Zion for God’s people. After David’s reign, King Solomon was known for being the one who built God’s temple (1 Kings 6:1). Toward the end of Solomon’s reign, he broke God’s covenant and sinned. As a result, God tore his kingdom into two areas (1 Kings 11:11). The Northern half was given to King Jeroboam and the Southern half was given to King Rehoboam.
• From northern Israel we can see the sin of King Jeroboam and how his actions became a shadow of things to come.
(1 Kings 12:25-33) “Here are your God’s, O Israel…And this thing became a sin”
• The first thing he die was make two golden calves, one in Bethel and the other in Dan, and in the eyes of God this thing became a SIN!
• Second, he instituted a festival that looked just like God’s festivals in Judah.
• Can we say that his festival is a sin? (Yes) because his festival is offered to an Idol.
• He also instituted a festival on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, a month of his own choosing
(Isa 1:10-16) “Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates”
• “When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you!”
• “Take your evil deeds out of my sight!”
• “Stop doing Wrong”
3. Ahab son of Omri did more evil in the eyes of the Lord.
(1 Kings 16:30-33) “He not only…commit the sins of Jeroboam…, but he married Jezebel…”
• He set up an altar for Baal in the temple of Baal.
• Ahab was known as the worst king and…”did more to provoke the Lord, the God of Israel, to anger than did all the kings of Israel before him.
(I Kings 17:1) “As the Lord, the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word.”
4. The mission and the appearance of Elijah.
(1 Kings 18:1-4, 16-21) In the third year Elijah went to present himself to Ahab.
• When Ahab saw Elijah he stated “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?”
• Elijah explained “You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baal’s”.
• Elijah summoned all 850 false prophets to meet him on Mount Carmel.
• “How long will you waver between two opinions?”
• When Elijah returned he found that no one had faith in the true God! (Shadow)
(1 Kings 18:22-29) “The god who answers by fire…he is God”
• The acts of the Baal worshipers. (Idol worship, dancing around, frantic prophesying…)
• Even thought they shouted, “there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.”
• Why? The bible teaches that when we worship idols or do not obey the commands of God, he hides his face from us and does not listen to our prayers. (Isaiah 1:15; Jeremiah 11:3, Jeremiah11:11-17; Ezekiel 8:18; John 9:31; Proverbs 28:9)
(1 Kings 18:30-40) “He repaired the altar of the Lord, which was in ruins.”
• Elijah rebuilt the altar of God using 12 stones.
• At time of evening sacrifice he prayed “I…have done all these things at your command…so these people will know that you O Lord, are God, and that you are turning their heart back again” (Proverbs 15:29)
• His prayer became a prophecy in Malachi 4:5 that would be fulfilled in the last days.
• Then, the fire of the Lord was revealed.
(Eccl 1:9) “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again”
(Eccl 3:15) “Whatever is has already been…God will call the past to account”
• The scriptures testify that Jesus is the fulfillment of King David. When David reigned as King he established Zion; this was to show how Jesus would establish Zion through the festivals of the New Covenant.
(2 Sam 17:21-23) Ahithophel’s betrayal and suicide by hanging…
• Ahithophel was David’s counselor. (2 Sam 15:2, 16:23)
(Matt 27:3-5) Judas’ betrayal of Jesus and suicide by hanging…
• Later after King David’s reign, Solomon took the throne. This history became a shadow of the apostles preaching after Jesus death on the cross.
• After King Solomon the nation was split into two, this was a shadow to show what would happen to the church after the Apostolic Age. The Church was divided into two, Eastern Church and the Western Church.
• Through Northern Israel we can see the sin of Jeroboam by his making feasts that look like God’s feast. The Church in Rome in the year A.D. 150 began to accept a different gospel that looked like the gospel of Christ.
• Then, who is the reality of Ahab and Jezebel?
(Rev 2:20) “Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess”
• The book of Revelations was written around A.D. 97-106 and John see’s the appearance of Jezebel after the apostolic age.
• Because of Ahab and Jezebel, the people began to serve Baal and worship many Idols which caused God to shut up the sky. Their disobedience caused them to lose their Rain and Dew for the next few years.
(Luke 4:25) “When the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a server famine” (1,260 days)
(James 5:17) “It did not rain on the land for three and a half years” (1,260 days)
• The, what is the meaning of shutting up the sky so that people will experience a great famine of no rain and no dew?
(Duet 32:2) “Let my teaching fall like rain and my words descend like dew”
(Amos 8:11) “But a famine of hearing the words of the Lord”
• Then, who became the reality of Ahab and Jezebel?
• Because of the Pope and Constantine, the church began to worship the Sun God and many idols.
• There was a great famine of hearing the words of God for 1,260 years!
(Hosea 2:8) “She has not acknowledged that I was the one…which they used for Baal”
• “I will stop all her celebrations…her Sabbaths…all her appointed Feats”
• “I will punish her for the days she burned incense to the Baals.”
• “But me she forgot, declares the Lord”
5. As prophesied in Malachi, there must be the Elijah who will appear to rebuild the Lord’s altar in the last days.
• Then, who is the Elijah that is to come in the last days?
• Elijah appeared from the East. (1 Kings 17:1) (Josh 17:5)
• He didn’t find faith with the people when he returned. (1 Kings 18:21)
• He rebuilt the altar with 12 stones.
• He revealed the truth of God by Fire!
This is a prophecy about Jesus who is to come again in the flesh to restore the truth and to seek his people in the last days.
(Rev 7:1-4) “Then I saw another angel (Christ) coming up from the East”
(Luke 18:8) “However, when the Son of Man (Christ) comes, will he find faith on the Earth?”
• This is the reality of Elijah finding no faith with the people when he returned. (2nd coming)
If Jesus came into this faithless world as the Last Judge, who would be saved? As Elijah had to rebuild the altar of the Lord, Christ himself must come a second time to restore all truth so that we can be saved.
(Luke 12:49) “I have come to bring fire on the Earth, and how I wish it were already kindle!”
(Jer 5:14) “I will make my words in your mouth like fire”
(Jer 23:29) “Is not my word like fire”
The meaning of Elijah is God – Jehovah ( Eli = God, Jah or Yaw = Jehovah). This was to show that God must come again in the last days as the prophetical Elijah to restore and rebuild the altar which was in ruins. Christ AhnSahngHong came in the last day as our Elijah. Father came from the east, rebuilt the altar of truth and exposed the characteristics of the Baal worshipers.
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By: Bell on August 14, 2012
at 5:27 pm
I am really threatened by how this org tried to influence students in campus. Can you give me some help how to help my student leave this group? God bless you, my brothers and sisters. As they always like to say, but who knows.
By: a worried parent on September 11, 2012
at 10:54 pm
wolrd mission church of god is a cult. one of my family member is there.
she quit her job, basically gave up life for this cult.
By: janice on September 27, 2012
at 4:27 am
How to save my student? How to make people stay away this place?
By: a worried parent on September 28, 2012
at 12:02 pm
Does anyone know someone who has escaped this cult, after being indoctrinated? I am trying to help someone get a family member out???
By: Cathy on October 12, 2012
at 7:54 am
What are good ways to rescue young adults? As young adolescent is not likely to listen to parents, now leaders in WMSCOH instruct members to lie to their parents in order to continue to join the group to get blessed. How to tell them it is enemy of God, how to tell them there will be no punishment to leave as they seem to believe the leaders more than parents.
By: a worried parent on October 12, 2012
at 10:38 pm
what are ways to help “controlling mind” behind?
By: a worried parent on October 12, 2012
at 10:43 pm
Cathy & worried parent visit these websites …….
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives
Your loved ones caught in this cult is in my prayers
By: stella on October 13, 2012
at 6:18 am
Deprogramming should be fairly easy any body can be dehypnotized by exposing the techniques used by the church should be enough to place doubt that the teachings are not true, the report with the hypnotists would be broken by a feeling of mistrust and are merely a system of manipulation abuse and control. teach them about hypnosis or tell them to look it up look up “DEFCON 15: The Science of Social Engineering: NLP, Hypnosis and the science of persuasion” a good start look up his discoveries. Marriage is often a binding tool used to perpetuate the cult.
By: vincent on November 5, 2012
at 3:45 pm
You guys are so uneducated, the catholic church is the biggest cult of them all, as mention in the bible as the mother of prostitutes. Accept this fact and pray to the holy spirit for forgiveness. The stupid Pope(aka demon, devil) roll around in a bullet proof mercedes while people die around the world of hunger. A church known for pedos.
Do your research on your own pathetic church before going around accusing others of this and that. show some farken standard.
By: Lol on October 15, 2012
at 10:52 am
The “problem” is: we are so educated and know the truth. Don’t lose hope and don’t give up helping your friends/family members to get out off this cult!
By: a worried parent on October 16, 2012
at 4:55 am
God has made children who and what they are. He loves them, and He has not left parents without resources to meet the challenge, Proverbs 22:6 tells us to “train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not turn from it.” For all children, the way they should go is toward God the one and only true God.
If God gives them a strong-willed child, parents can be sure He has not made a mistake and will provide the guidance and resources they need. Parents of these children have to spend lots of their time on their knees before the Lord asking for wisdom, which He has promised to provide (James 1:5). So God himself has sent them to make other aware.
LOL I am sure your parents feel the same about you being in this cult. Now because you see the pope move around in a bullet proof Mercedes makes you come to such cheap conclusions.
What would you have to say to this…..We would love to see the Mother God step out of Korea who should have at least visited her own WMSCOG churches and seen how her children have given up their jobs and working day and night? I don’t think she has to fear any bullets as all disaster pass when the WMSCOG keeps the Passover. Don’t they? May be if you are a sinner?
What a Farken language you use? Is this also a part of your churches teaching?
Yes LOL when people die around the world all your cash in Korea is well utilized in fighting court cases and mother wearing the most expensive Hanbok, makeup and just smiling to glory. Now who is the prostitute here let us s leave it to God to judge.
Are you impressed with huge donations and the good that this fake God does only in Korea for which she collects awards and media? Let’s see what the Bible says—-
Matthew 6:2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth; they have received their reward in full”.
What seem as a matter of concern is all the members who practically give their earning for this false doctrine pin their hopes of going to heaven may end in nothing but poverty. So be warned ‘Wolf in sheep’s clothing”
By: stella on October 18, 2012
at 3:45 am
Lolll, the guy who started this blog (jamie) did not even know that jesus is god!!! until we educated him!!!lolll
so stupiddddd!!!
Jamie why don’t you speak up, since this is your stupid blog. tell these people how stupid and uneducated you are, lolllll.
By: Lol on November 3, 2012
at 9:52 pm
Jamie this blog just makes you out as a moron. If your going to bash people, know what you’re talking about first. One of your points goes against all Christians, “brothers and sisters are supposed to marry eachother”. All christians teach and accept we are heavenly brothers and sisters you DUMB MORON~! You are by far the dumbest and ignorant troll, an embarrasment to humans!
A Cult?
This is your definition of a cult:
The typical signs of cults are:
1. Extrabiblical revelation – bringing something new from outside of the Bible: a ‘new’ teaching revealed in some supernatural way
2. A false basis of salvation – teaching that anything but Christ, and ONLY Christ, is what saves you: He is the one who died for your sins, no one else, and if you add good works, baptism, or anything else as a REQUIREMENT to be saved, you are saying that His death was not good enough on its own.
3. Presumptuous Messianic Leadership – someone claiming to be the one you should follow, other than Christ. When Christ returns, he will return in glory, not be born as a baby again, and He will not die a second time – he has already died for our sins, there is no further need for him to die, is there?!
4. Doctrinal Ambiguity – confusing teachings, taking obscure passages and not interpreting them through the light of clear passages in scripture, but interpreting them out of context.
5. Segmented Biblical Attention – looking at verses and passages out of context, ignoring other clear passages: a similar thing was done in South Africa to justify apartheid laws as being Biblical: a VERY dangerous thing to do!
6. Defective Christology – a misrepresentation of who Christ is: the ONLY way to the father, THE way, THE truth, THE life. Those who believe in the son will have life, those who reject him are condemned. Nothing about a ‘God-mother” there, and it’s crystal clear.
7. The claim of “Special Discoveries” – that no one else has, and without which you can’t be saved.
8. Related to the above: Denunciation of others – if you’re not part of this church/movement, then you can’t be saved.
9. Enslaving Organisational Structure: only one person has the truth, and everyone else has to trust that what they teach is right, and cannot be questioned. No one can challenge their position.
These are the same points to why the Jews called Jesus a cult, you dog.
“Cult” basically means “different” But thankfully the bible says that we must be different from the world!
By: Sunshine on January 14, 2013
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Please visit:
http://www.thetruewmscog.com
for answers to the most common questions about the World Mission Society Church of God
By: The True WMSCOG on May 23, 2013
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Wow, superb blog layout! How long have you been blogging for?
you make blogging look easy. The overall look of your web site is magnificent, let alone the content!
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By: World Mission Society Church of God | Dialogue Ireland on October 28, 2013
at 6:44 am
Please visit this site for in-depth information about this cult.
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/
Do warn others to stay away from them. They are like wolf in sheep clothing
By: stella on October 30, 2013
at 3:48 am
I Am the former member who posted on here in 2010 under the name CHILD OF GOD , I Am no longer a believer in Father And Mother And I apologize for my false testimony, through time and realization and proof of scripture contradiction i realized i was in a cult for 10 years only reciting stories and verses they taught me , after dicovering their church studies originated from seventh day adventist and that the Mother of the church is divorced and has children i decided that i have been decieved and i apologise deeply for my foolishness i was blinded by falsehood Jesus Christ is the only way I have seen the light!
By: A Child of God on April 21, 2014
at 6:03 pm
You all do not have proof. You probably will not have actual proof until the day you die or leave this earth. The bible could have been or may have been made up, to keep order or to give meaning or reasoning to human life, but only the dead and people that have left this earth know the truth. We did not witness those who have translated or written the bible they could have added or removed to make it more believable throughout time. Believe in what you want to believe, because when the day comes you may or may not realize who was truly deceived. Do not argue, you all are arguing through ones beliefs because you so badly want others to join in believing them. That in itself is corrupted.
By: TheUnknown on May 23, 2014
at 3:08 pm
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By: Dennis on August 12, 2015
at 7:12 pm
Not sure what God you are talking to Jamie.. But Jesus and the Father are one. John 10:30 and the prophecy about Jesus states that God the Father will come to the earth as a child. Isaiah 9…
By: nate on October 6, 2016
at 11:39 am
The list of great distinctions that divide between Jesus God’s only Son who spoke The Truth, and the teachings of men are but not limited to:
– Being more concerned with the things of this world (days, events, laws, legalistic, etc.) rather than the world to come.
– Mixing or swapping the events and teachings of the Old Testament vs. the New Testament, i.e. mixing the Letter of the Law vs. the Spirit of the law. An example would be: making keeping the sabbath some kind of salvation requirement.
– The building-up of some kind of brick & mortar physical church vs. the unconditional building up of unbelievers in the Faith i.e. men who say ONLY WE “have the truth.”
– A strong tendency to “branch out” with disagreements and fine points rather than a strong commitment to just stick to what we can all agree on.
– A STRONG EMPHASIS ON MONEY.
– A top-down approach (we’ll tell you what to think and say) rather than a bottom-up understanding. Our relationship with Jesus is ONE-TO-ONE there’s no “hierarchy.”
– The making of a “religion” out of something in the Bible (Old OR New testament), instead of the one true religion of just walking with Jesus 24/7/365 every day ALL THE TIME. Jesus said “blessed are those who believe and have not seen.”
Are you COMMITTED to Jesus or not. Are you putting Jesus FIRST or not. Are you trusting HIM ONLY or not. You can pray about that right now and get it right. Don’t follow the teachings-of-men.
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at 7:56 am
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By: LIÊN KẾT - NGHIÊN CỨU HỘI THÁNH CỦA ĐỨC CHÚA TRỜI on April 21, 2019
at 6:43 pm
God is christ and the bible says 2nd coming christ will come from a far off land in the east a far off land not island Japan is an island believe me I was put off at first as well and I decided to do my research and I’m glad I did if you study more you will eventually come to understand and put the pieces together.
By: Sharon on December 26, 2019
at 10:54 pm